March 17, 2025 • 17 mins
Michael Ginnitti of Spotrac joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Sam Darnold contract with the Seahawks, Cooper Kupp’s deal from last week, the DeMarcus Lawrence contract, Seattle’s cap situation, what other o-linemen would cost, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Whenever there's contract questions, contract talk, there's only one guy
we turned to, really because he's the one guy that
always says yes, by the way, and keeps answering his phone.
Our friend from spat track dot com, Michael Jannetti, Mike,
how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Man? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
That's the secret? Huh. I just got to start saying all.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You gotta do is say no and we'll leave you alone.
I mean to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So we got like a handful of folks that keep
saying yes, we keep going back to him, and you're
one of them.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So we appreciate this.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Your website is unbelievable. It's always the first place we
go to for all the numbers and the research because
first of all, it's it's dummy proof the format, and
number two, we trust you, which is important in this
business for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So congrats and everything you guys have done.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
But let's let's start with a Sam Darnold deal, because
on the surface, this looks like a very team friendly
contract by John Schneider.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, this is kind of what I was assuming I
don't have the full full structure, right so I can't
keep it cap hits and things like that, But we
know enough to know enough, and it sure seems like
this is a bit of a showcase deal, not unlike
what you went through with Gino Smith a couple of
years ago. Right, it's a three year deal. It can
be a three year deal, but it can be a
one year deal too, And I just think this is
pretty good business for a team that was looking to
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get a little cheaper, a little younger, and maybe hit
lightning in a bottle here and find your guy for
the next ten years, but not have to front too
much to get there.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Correct me if I'm wrong. It's even more cap friendly
than the Geno deal was, because really the Geno deal,
you had to get him through two years before you
really got cap savings. Right, I mean, if they had
to cut Geno after one year, they would have owed
quite a bit of money on him, right.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah. They sort of built a little bit of the
guarantee in the year two, which is kind of like
a baseball buy out, you know what I mean. And
that's becoming more popular in these NFL contracts. This one,
I think is gonna be a little bit more flat lined.
It's going to be a little under thirty eight million
for that one year and then we'll see after that,
which is funny, right because it's certainly less than what
Gino Smith's asking for right now going forward, and probably
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the reason he's out on Seattle right now. And it's
also less than that franchise tag that was even thrown
around with Minnesota for so long. So it seems at
least out of the gate here that Seattle's got pretty
nice value with their starting quarterback, at least for one season.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I guess my question would be, why would Sam Darnold
do this? I mean, he was seemingly the number one
available free agent quarterback in a league that needs quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Why would he cite? Is this the best he could do?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I think it might have been. I think it might
have been. I think when the Raiders decided that Gino
via the trade was going to be the way they
were going to go for at least two years here,
it took them off the table. I think Indanapolis was
always thinking a little bit simpler here, and I'm not
sure he was ever in the Pittsburgh Giants conversation. Now
knowing what we kind of know about how that was
all going to break down here, So it was Minnesota
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on probably much more value than this or Seattle, which
sort of popped up out of nowhere. So yeah, I
do think this is probably as good as he can get,
at least for this one year, and then maybe we'll
see after this.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Well, because of this deal, do you think Geno Smith's
agent just lost a lot of leverage Because there's a
lot of people out there that think Sam Darnold is
a better quarterback than Gino Smith. He's certainly younger, and
so there's a little bit of a disconnect here. You
got Geno Smith wanting forty five million dollars and you
see what a lot of people think is a better
quarterback sign in a basically one year, thirty seven million
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dollar deal.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's a nice it's a nice point. It's a nice
way to look at it right now, and I'm sure
that's exactly what the Raiders are trying to do. The
problem is the Raiders of the Raiders, and they don't
have a lot of leverage on their own end right now.
They don't have a lot of reasons for people to
start saying no to So I do think they're going
to have to get something done that looks markedly better
than this Darnald deal. It's going to be a two
year guarantee and nothing more after that. But you know,
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that's the price they're paying for acquiring an older quarterback
sort of in the twilight years here.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, Michael jennettispot track dot com, Cooper Cup has basically
missed an entire seasons where the football the last three years.
But when he's on, he's been very good. And he's
getting fifty teen million dollars a year from the Seahawks.
I don't know if you've got any details on guarantees
things like that, but what do you make a Cooper
Cup's contract in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's a bit of an overpay, you know. I think
there were six or seven teams really in on this
guy around this price threshold, probably closer to the twelve
or thirteen mark on an annual basis, So you know,
out of the gate, you're looking at a slightly higher
contract than I think most people wanted with this player
at this age. But I get it. You know, it's
a nice little one two punch here for Donald to
walk into, not unlike what he just left in Minnesota
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to some degree, so you wanted to make sure you
gave the proper keys to the car and see what
you have for one season. I would be shocked, and
I don't have this full breakdown just yet, but I
would be shocked if there's much more than half of
twenty twenty six guaranteed on Cooper Cup. Just knowing that,
you know the cliff is coming with these wide receivers
in the early thirties, it comes fast. So I would
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imagine this is a one and maybe some change, and
then we'll see where we go from there. So in
other words, everything they're doing right now appears to be
four twenty twenty five and not a heck a lot more.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
What did you make of DeMarcus Lawrence's deal?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I love it. I love it, and this is this
is a very incentive laden deal. I think this is
one of those things that I mean, clearly his time
had come up where he was coming from in Dallas.
He made that pretty clear out loud. So you're gonna
find value in this. You're gonna find, you know, a
guy that's motivated, that's hungry, and every time this happens,
a ton of incentives are paid out. Look, what just
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happened with Geno Smith, you know, six months ago here
in terms of six seven millions worth of incentives. This
is how Satle does their business. They bring in guys
that are hungry, that are maybe a little bit off cast, uh,
and they get him to come in and maximize their efforts.
And if they have to own some bonuses on the
way out the door, that's what that's good business. So
I like this. I like that three pack h in
terms of offseason signings right there as a way to
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sort of amplify twenty twenty five and maybe an I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
More so, what is Michael again, Michael Jannetti spot track
dot Com is with us? What does their cap situation
look like right now as far as what they've got
their disposal to spend on the rest of this free
agent class, some players that might become available in July
or August, and then what does it look like going
in the next year right now?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What do you what do you see there?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, they're still pull theymammo. I mean, even just estimating
what these couple of contents we're talking about are going
to bring down, you're still in the twenty five to
thirty range. So when you're talking about, you know, draft
class down the road, things like that. They're comfortable and
they really haven't done any of these captain versions to
free up, you know, the extra ammal that they're gonna need.
So there's time, there's space, there's room, and I do
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think at the end of the day there'll be a
couple more signings for this roster, because, like I said,
it feels like this is a bit of a what
do we have here all in moment for twenty twenty
five where they're not going to be too reckless, but
they're not going to leave too many holes untouched as well.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
They obviously in the offensive lineman. Let's start with the
guy that got cut today by the Minnesota Vikings, Garrett Bradbury.
What do you suggest his price tag?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Maybe I don't have a lot to say about this one.
I mean, this is a guy sort of on the
back end of things. He's not yet thirty, coming from
a very good team. He's got some playoff pedigree on him.
You know, he's a sixteen to seventeen game starter in
this league right now, and they simply just upgraded him
with a veteran and Ryan Kelly, So you know, are
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we walking away from a guy that couldn't make five
million dollars in Minnesota. That's the price, you know what
I mean. It's similar to the Cooper Cup conversation where
twenty million was a little too much for Los Angeles.
But something in that ballpark, you know, had six or
seven teams interested. I imagine something in the range of
three for fifteen, three for eighteen to twenty is going
to get the job done with a player like that, who,
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like I said, probably has two to three nice years left.
He's just pushed off a very very competitive roster right
now in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, PFF actually had Big Old who ranked higher than Bradbury,
but he played about half the snaps last year. So
we'll see what they say after a full season. But
what about Tevin Jenkins. I mean, he's apparently in town
or visiting this week with the Seahawks. And you know,
Dick asked you what a contract for Bradbury would look like.
What does a contract to you know, a fair market
value for Tevin Jenkins look like?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Think, Yeah, that's a nice player. That's a player that
I think should latch on here and find some green
or grass coming from that weird Chicago situation. Right, that's
a ten million dollars player in our system. Wow, so
you're talking double the Bradbury. Yeah, it's about this card
market is approaching thirty million a year. Anybody with versatility
on the inside of that line is going to be
a little bit more than that. So you're getting somebody
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as sort of a showcase on maybe a two for
twenty with some incentives. And I think that's a nice
little get for a team like Seattle that certainly has
holes and needs to keep stand Darnold alive here for
a couple of months.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Michael, when more clean up question on GINO? Did the
Raiders hamstring themselves by not agreeing to something or at
least having a handshake deal at the time of the trade.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I've said this a couple of times now, and I'm
with you. I thought for sure it was wink wink,
let's get this done, and the reports sort of alluded
to that that this was going to be a trade
and science situation. But here we are now, you know,
a good week into it, and I guess maybe there's
a world where this isn't totally officially official, and we're
just waiting for some semantic and maybe some Fax machines
to do their job right now. But I am surprised
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that we're sitting here on Monday, on Saint Patrick's Day
and we don't know this exact situation, because you're right,
it feels like there's a little bit of backwards leverage
happening now where they can drop this price a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I gotta think that's the deal, guys, that they're
going to announce something quickly here with Gino Smith and
it's just Dott and I's crossing t's all that, because
if not, it's kind of feels like it's colossally stupid
on the Raiders to go out and make a move
like the Raiders. Dave, Well, it's but it's Pete Carroll
now though, right, and it's Tom Brady. It's not your
Grandma's Raiders or our Raiders when we were kids. Mike,
what do you make of the deal that Dk Metcalf
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got in Pittsburgh's thirty million dollars a year for a
team that as of right now has Mason Rudolph throwing
him the football.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Boy. What a comedy of airs this has become, right,
We have no idea how this is all going to
fall into place. But DK's a knife upgrade, there's no
question about that. And if they're able to keep George
Pickens and keep George Pickens happy, that's one of the
better one two punches in the game right now. So
you know, if they can find themselves the semblance of
an offense over the next couple of weeks here, I
like it. It's certainly a slight overpaid for DK Metcalf. However,
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he's twenty seven and change. He's a freak athlete. You know,
all the credentials that go with this guy. And if
he's got a viable you know one be option Citty
next to him, as he's had in Seattle and now
he as he looks like he'll have in Pittsburgh, it's
gonna be worth every dollar. Here's the thing with Pittsburgh contracts, guys,
it's one year guarantees. So I hope he knows what
he's getting himself into here, because he's not walking into
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ninety million guaranteed over the next three years. It's just
not how cook he's gonna crumble out there.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well, speaking of one two punches at wide receiver, the
Bengals decision to spend seventy dollars a year on two
wide receivers. Is that one that could potentially just sink
the boat.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It certainly can, I don't think it will in this case. Look,
they were a terrible defense last year and Joe Burrow
and this specific offense almost dragged them into the postseason,
right So I think they know the model, they know
the plan, they know what they have to do, and
they're just gonna have to keep spending. That's the thing
they can't stop here. They've got to throw two or
three more contracts on the books right now to make
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sure they are a more balanced roster. But these are
two of the better, you know, ride receivers just singularly
in the league. So you put them together and we
know what they can do. I have a feeling that though,
for sure, we're going to see some historic numbers here
in terms of Burrow, Higgins and Chase over the next
two to three seasons in terms of cash flow. And
this will be a nice test case for other teams
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to see if this is actually a possibility going forward,
because right now it's sort of the Eagles process and
everybody else, so we'll see if this can work too.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Michael we should do a bracket to pick the biggest
drama queen in sports and go right to the championship
game and have it be Lebron versus Aaron Rodgers and
just be done with it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm serious. I mean, because this.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Aaron Rodgers thing, I mean, these teams are just bending
over backwards for him, right, allowing him to do whatever
the hell he wants to do. You pick your timeline.
We're talking about, you know, obviously Pittsburgh. We're talking about
other teams out there looking for quarterbacks, like the Giants.
What is a contract you think for Aaron Rodgers look
like when it's all said and done.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, if he's the starting quarterback and there's no
other option, and you know what I mean, there's no competition.
The Minnesota thing seems a little off to me. That
might be a little bit of a suppressed number. But
if this is Pittsburgh, New York, I still think he's
a forty million dollar quarterback. I still think this is
a situation where you know, it's a it's a two
for eighty with some funny money built into this thing,
and you're gonna have to kind of go at this
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all in and make sure he's one hundred percent motivated
with some financial backing, So I don't know if there's
too much of a financial deal and value to be
had here. It's just let's just make a decision already.
And if it's one of those two teams, Pittsburgh or
New York, it's probably gonna be bigger than a lot
of people are expecting. And if it's Minnesota, I can
understand it being somewhat tempered because that's that's a contention,
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that's a that's a Super Bowl decision. Not so much.
I'm here to save the day decision.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
What type of deals our old friend Russell Wilson got.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Get It's the same conversation for me. I do think
now Pittsburgh seems like it's it's a little bit off here.
There's some disconnect between him and Arthur Smith. So maybe
maybe that's that's a bit of a showcase contract if
he's the Giants quarterback. And by the way, I expect
him to be the Giants quarterback at the end of
the day here, I really do. It's the same cover.
I think it's a two for eighty. It's still Russell Wilson.
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He's still a Super Bowl capable quarterback. I know he's
not what he's been for a long time, but that's
the going rate for Tier two low two tier two
quarterback right now not named Daniel Jones. So I really
think it's going to be a higher contract than a
lot of people are expecting. And good for Russ because
he's gotten the bag over and over again.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Here what about rock Perty Mike in San Francisco? When's
this deal getting done? And how much of the Niners
get suckered in to pay.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Him, or if you're putting it that way, they started
at forty five a year. I think it gets to
fifty and nothing more. I really don't think it gets
to fifty five, just because of you know, you know
where you're starting from, you know the limitations, and you
know just how much of this roster have you've already paid.
So I think he's a fifty million dollars quarterback flat
over the next three to four years, probably three of
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those guaranteed, so three for one fifties with a pactical contract,
And I think that's okay. I do think he's good
enough to pay him that money for three years and
then we'll see after that. But I know that's a
shocking number for mister irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It seems like a teardown for San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Is it really a teardown and is it primarily so
they can free up money for Brock.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
There's definitely some of that. They're an aggressive team. They
subtract quite a bit every season. This does feel like
it's a little bit more aggressive on the one side, though,
I am sitting here in Buffalo is That's where I'm
based out of here, and we were saying this exact
thing about Buffalo one calendar year ago, massive teardown. They
just let both their captains leave. This is certainly a
step back year for Buffalo and they are near made
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the Super Bowl. So I'm not going to count out
that San Francisco front office for knowing what they're doing.
They probably just need a phenomenal draft, which they've had
in the past, and that's just how they're gonna recessitate
themselves back into a contender.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, Well, Michael Jennetti spot track dot Com and Mike
before you go, you said that you think the Hawks
are sitting between five and thirty million dollars right now.
If they get Tevin Jenkins, he takes up maybe ten million,
double digits of that, how much money do they need
left for their draft class? And after all that said
and done, how much more cash you think the Hawks
will have to throw around.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think there's probably one or two nice contracts, maybe
maybe a Jenkins been one more player, But in terms
of off season with this draft class, it's only about
seven million. So it's okay. They can they can operate here,
they can be a big team. They can still be
in on most of these players, and then we'll say
what happens at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Michael Jannetti spot track dot com, check it out on Twitter,
check it out on the web.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Always good stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You can always tell by the way how much traffic
is on your website when the web browser slows down
to a crawl, because people are always visiting your website. Man,
I get that same reaction from like Wikipedia and Baseball
Reference dot com. That's how big you boys are now
over there, Mike, great stuff. We appreciate the visit. We'll
talk to him, Mike, thanks man the pleasure. I think
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Michael Jeannetti spot Track, well, he's kind of like the
John Clayton of this stuff now where he could be
full of it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Nobody would even question it, right, nobody would even know.
But he's I think we all trust him.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
He's like every single player, he's just top of them.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Togue. Yep, you know. He gives you exact reasons. That's
what he does really well.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
The stuff on on the Darnold deal obviously is massively
intriguing because it just leaves the Hawks so much wiggle room.
If things don't go well and you still have enough
room for a couple of big contracts. As he said,
go out and get a couple of linemen, draft some lineman,
draft a wide receiver, and the Hawks have really Again,
the first step is giving yourself a chance, and the
next step is doing something with that chance.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It feels like step one's already done.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
It seems like the Hawks, if they play their cards
right over the next couple of weeks, they could have
every major hole on their football team plugged before draft.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, they could. That would be incredible.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
How many teams can go to the draft and say
we have every major hole plugged.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Playing your cards right is a big part of it, though.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Man, Yes, I mean for a football team that has improven,
they can draft, develop, Lineman.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's a big If that's.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
A way, we're gonna get a couple right now, then
they don't have to draft or development.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Why do you think I want to sign them because
I don't trust them.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I don't I want to go out and get established
guys because I don't trust the Hawks to develop them
or coach them up on their own. We're gonna break
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Whenever there's contract questions, contract talk, there's only one guy
we turned to, really because he's the one guy that
always says yes, by the way, and keeps answering his phone.
Our friend from spat track dot com, Michael Jannetti, Mike,
how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Man? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
That's the secret? Huh. I just got to start saying all.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You gotta do is say no and we'll leave you alone.
I mean to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So we got like a handful of folks that keep
saying yes, we keep going back to him, and you're
one of them.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So we appreciate this.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Your website is unbelievable. It's always the first place we
go to for all the numbers and the research because
first of all, it's it's dummy proof the format, and
number two, we trust you, which is important in this
business for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So congrats and everything you guys have done.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
But let's let's start with a Sam Darnold deal, because
on the surface, this looks like a very team friendly
contract by John Schneider.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, this is kind of what I was assuming I
don't have the full full structure, right so I can't
keep it cap hits and things like that, But we
know enough to know enough, and it sure seems like
this is a bit of a showcase deal, not unlike
what you went through with Gino Smith a couple of
years ago. Right, it's a three year deal. It can
be a three year deal, but it can be a
one year deal too, And I just think this is
pretty good business for a team that was looking to
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get a little cheaper, a little younger, and maybe hit
lightning in a bottle here and find your guy for
the next ten years, but not have to front too
much to get there.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Correct me if I'm wrong. It's even more cap friendly
than the Geno deal was, because really the Geno deal,
you had to get him through two years before you
really got cap savings. Right, I mean, if they had
to cut Geno after one year, they would have owed
quite a bit of money on him, right.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah. They sort of built a little bit of the
guarantee in the year two, which is kind of like
a baseball buy out, you know what I mean. And
that's becoming more popular in these NFL contracts. This one,
I think is gonna be a little bit more flat lined.
It's going to be a little under thirty eight million
for that one year and then we'll see after that,
which is funny, right because it's certainly less than what
Gino Smith's asking for right now going forward, and probably
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the reason he's out on Seattle right now. And it's
also less than that franchise tag that was even thrown
around with Minnesota for so long. So it seems at
least out of the gate here that Seattle's got pretty
nice value with their starting quarterback, at least for one season.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I guess my question would be, why would Sam Darnold
do this? I mean, he was seemingly the number one
available free agent quarterback in a league that needs quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Why would he cite? Is this the best he could do?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I think it might have been. I think it might
have been. I think when the Raiders decided that Gino
via the trade was going to be the way they
were going to go for at least two years here,
it took them off the table. I think Indanapolis was
always thinking a little bit simpler here, and I'm not
sure he was ever in the Pittsburgh Giants conversation. Now
knowing what we kind of know about how that was
all going to break down here, So it was Minnesota
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on probably much more value than this or Seattle, which
sort of popped up out of nowhere. So yeah, I
do think this is probably as good as he can get,
at least for this one year, and then maybe we'll
see after this.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Well, because of this deal, do you think Geno Smith's
agent just lost a lot of leverage Because there's a
lot of people out there that think Sam Darnold is
a better quarterback than Gino Smith. He's certainly younger, and
so there's a little bit of a disconnect here. You
got Geno Smith wanting forty five million dollars and you
see what a lot of people think is a better
quarterback sign in a basically one year, thirty seven million
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dollar deal.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's a nice it's a nice point. It's a nice
way to look at it right now, and I'm sure
that's exactly what the Raiders are trying to do. The
problem is the Raiders of the Raiders, and they don't
have a lot of leverage on their own end right now.
They don't have a lot of reasons for people to
start saying no to So I do think they're going
to have to get something done that looks markedly better
than this Darnald deal. It's going to be a two
year guarantee and nothing more after that. But you know,
(03:44):
that's the price they're paying for acquiring an older quarterback
sort of in the twilight years here.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, Michael jennettispot track dot com, Cooper Cup has basically
missed an entire seasons where the football the last three years.
But when he's on, he's been very good. And he's
getting fifty teen million dollars a year from the Seahawks.
I don't know if you've got any details on guarantees
things like that, but what do you make a Cooper
Cup's contract in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's a bit of an overpay, you know. I think
there were six or seven teams really in on this
guy around this price threshold, probably closer to the twelve
or thirteen mark on an annual basis, So you know,
out of the gate, you're looking at a slightly higher
contract than I think most people wanted with this player
at this age. But I get it. You know, it's
a nice little one two punch here for Donald to
walk into, not unlike what he just left in Minnesota
(04:30):
to some degree, so you wanted to make sure you
gave the proper keys to the car and see what
you have for one season. I would be shocked, and
I don't have this full breakdown just yet, but I
would be shocked if there's much more than half of
twenty twenty six guaranteed on Cooper Cup. Just knowing that,
you know the cliff is coming with these wide receivers
in the early thirties, it comes fast. So I would
(04:51):
imagine this is a one and maybe some change, and
then we'll see where we go from there. So in
other words, everything they're doing right now appears to be
four twenty twenty five and not a heck a lot more.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
What did you make of DeMarcus Lawrence's deal?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I love it. I love it, and this is this
is a very incentive laden deal. I think this is
one of those things that I mean, clearly his time
had come up where he was coming from in Dallas.
He made that pretty clear out loud. So you're gonna
find value in this. You're gonna find, you know, a
guy that's motivated, that's hungry, and every time this happens,
a ton of incentives are paid out. Look, what just
(05:25):
happened with Geno Smith, you know, six months ago here
in terms of six seven millions worth of incentives. This
is how Satle does their business. They bring in guys
that are hungry, that are maybe a little bit off cast, uh,
and they get him to come in and maximize their efforts.
And if they have to own some bonuses on the
way out the door, that's what that's good business. So
I like this. I like that three pack h in
terms of offseason signings right there as a way to
(05:47):
sort of amplify twenty twenty five and maybe an I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
More so, what is Michael again, Michael Jannetti spot track
dot Com is with us? What does their cap situation
look like right now as far as what they've got
their disposal to spend on the rest of this free
agent class, some players that might become available in July
or August, and then what does it look like going
in the next year right now?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What do you what do you see there?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, they're still pull theymammo. I mean, even just estimating
what these couple of contents we're talking about are going
to bring down, you're still in the twenty five to
thirty range. So when you're talking about, you know, draft
class down the road, things like that. They're comfortable and
they really haven't done any of these captain versions to
free up, you know, the extra ammal that they're gonna need.
So there's time, there's space, there's room, and I do
(06:30):
think at the end of the day there'll be a
couple more signings for this roster, because, like I said,
it feels like this is a bit of a what
do we have here all in moment for twenty twenty
five where they're not going to be too reckless, but
they're not going to leave too many holes untouched as well.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
They obviously in the offensive lineman. Let's start with the
guy that got cut today by the Minnesota Vikings, Garrett Bradbury.
What do you suggest his price tag?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Maybe I don't have a lot to say about this one.
I mean, this is a guy sort of on the
back end of things. He's not yet thirty, coming from
a very good team. He's got some playoff pedigree on him.
You know, he's a sixteen to seventeen game starter in
this league right now, and they simply just upgraded him
with a veteran and Ryan Kelly, So you know, are
(07:13):
we walking away from a guy that couldn't make five
million dollars in Minnesota. That's the price, you know what
I mean. It's similar to the Cooper Cup conversation where
twenty million was a little too much for Los Angeles.
But something in that ballpark, you know, had six or
seven teams interested. I imagine something in the range of
three for fifteen, three for eighteen to twenty is going
to get the job done with a player like that, who,
(07:34):
like I said, probably has two to three nice years left.
He's just pushed off a very very competitive roster right
now in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, PFF actually had Big Old who ranked higher than Bradbury,
but he played about half the snaps last year. So
we'll see what they say after a full season. But
what about Tevin Jenkins. I mean, he's apparently in town
or visiting this week with the Seahawks. And you know,
Dick asked you what a contract for Bradbury would look like.
What does a contract to you know, a fair market
value for Tevin Jenkins look like?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Think, Yeah, that's a nice player. That's a player that
I think should latch on here and find some green
or grass coming from that weird Chicago situation. Right, that's
a ten million dollars player in our system. Wow, so
you're talking double the Bradbury. Yeah, it's about this card
market is approaching thirty million a year. Anybody with versatility
on the inside of that line is going to be
a little bit more than that. So you're getting somebody
(08:20):
as sort of a showcase on maybe a two for
twenty with some incentives. And I think that's a nice
little get for a team like Seattle that certainly has
holes and needs to keep stand Darnold alive here for
a couple of months.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Michael, when more clean up question on GINO? Did the
Raiders hamstring themselves by not agreeing to something or at
least having a handshake deal at the time of the trade.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I've said this a couple of times now, and I'm
with you. I thought for sure it was wink wink,
let's get this done, and the reports sort of alluded
to that that this was going to be a trade
and science situation. But here we are now, you know,
a good week into it, and I guess maybe there's
a world where this isn't totally officially official, and we're
just waiting for some semantic and maybe some Fax machines
to do their job right now. But I am surprised
(09:04):
that we're sitting here on Monday, on Saint Patrick's Day
and we don't know this exact situation, because you're right,
it feels like there's a little bit of backwards leverage
happening now where they can drop this price a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I gotta think that's the deal, guys, that they're
going to announce something quickly here with Gino Smith and
it's just Dott and I's crossing t's all that, because
if not, it's kind of feels like it's colossally stupid
on the Raiders to go out and make a move
like the Raiders. Dave, Well, it's but it's Pete Carroll
now though, right, and it's Tom Brady. It's not your
Grandma's Raiders or our Raiders when we were kids. Mike,
what do you make of the deal that Dk Metcalf
(09:35):
got in Pittsburgh's thirty million dollars a year for a
team that as of right now has Mason Rudolph throwing
him the football.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Boy. What a comedy of airs this has become, right,
We have no idea how this is all going to
fall into place. But DK's a knife upgrade, there's no
question about that. And if they're able to keep George
Pickens and keep George Pickens happy, that's one of the
better one two punches in the game right now. So
you know, if they can find themselves the semblance of
an offense over the next couple of weeks here, I
like it. It's certainly a slight overpaid for DK Metcalf. However,
(10:07):
he's twenty seven and change. He's a freak athlete. You know,
all the credentials that go with this guy. And if
he's got a viable you know one be option Citty
next to him, as he's had in Seattle and now
he as he looks like he'll have in Pittsburgh, it's
gonna be worth every dollar. Here's the thing with Pittsburgh contracts, guys,
it's one year guarantees. So I hope he knows what
he's getting himself into here, because he's not walking into
(10:27):
ninety million guaranteed over the next three years. It's just
not how cook he's gonna crumble out there.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well, speaking of one two punches at wide receiver, the
Bengals decision to spend seventy dollars a year on two
wide receivers. Is that one that could potentially just sink
the boat.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It certainly can, I don't think it will in this case. Look,
they were a terrible defense last year and Joe Burrow
and this specific offense almost dragged them into the postseason,
right So I think they know the model, they know
the plan, they know what they have to do, and
they're just gonna have to keep spending. That's the thing
they can't stop here. They've got to throw two or
three more contracts on the books right now to make
(11:06):
sure they are a more balanced roster. But these are
two of the better, you know, ride receivers just singularly
in the league. So you put them together and we
know what they can do. I have a feeling that though,
for sure, we're going to see some historic numbers here
in terms of Burrow, Higgins and Chase over the next
two to three seasons in terms of cash flow. And
this will be a nice test case for other teams
(11:26):
to see if this is actually a possibility going forward,
because right now it's sort of the Eagles process and
everybody else, so we'll see if this can work too.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Michael we should do a bracket to pick the biggest
drama queen in sports and go right to the championship
game and have it be Lebron versus Aaron Rodgers and
just be done with it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm serious. I mean, because this.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Aaron Rodgers thing, I mean, these teams are just bending
over backwards for him, right, allowing him to do whatever
the hell he wants to do. You pick your timeline.
We're talking about, you know, obviously Pittsburgh. We're talking about
other teams out there looking for quarterbacks, like the Giants.
What is a contract you think for Aaron Rodgers look
like when it's all said and done.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, if he's the starting quarterback and there's no
other option, and you know what I mean, there's no competition.
The Minnesota thing seems a little off to me. That
might be a little bit of a suppressed number. But
if this is Pittsburgh, New York, I still think he's
a forty million dollar quarterback. I still think this is
a situation where you know, it's a it's a two
for eighty with some funny money built into this thing,
and you're gonna have to kind of go at this
(12:23):
all in and make sure he's one hundred percent motivated
with some financial backing, So I don't know if there's
too much of a financial deal and value to be
had here. It's just let's just make a decision already.
And if it's one of those two teams, Pittsburgh or
New York, it's probably gonna be bigger than a lot
of people are expecting. And if it's Minnesota, I can
understand it being somewhat tempered because that's that's a contention,
(12:44):
that's a that's a Super Bowl decision. Not so much.
I'm here to save the day decision.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
What type of deals our old friend Russell Wilson got.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Get It's the same conversation for me. I do think
now Pittsburgh seems like it's it's a little bit off here.
There's some disconnect between him and Arthur Smith. So maybe
maybe that's that's a bit of a showcase contract if
he's the Giants quarterback. And by the way, I expect
him to be the Giants quarterback at the end of
the day here, I really do. It's the same cover.
I think it's a two for eighty. It's still Russell Wilson.
(13:13):
He's still a Super Bowl capable quarterback. I know he's
not what he's been for a long time, but that's
the going rate for Tier two low two tier two
quarterback right now not named Daniel Jones. So I really
think it's going to be a higher contract than a
lot of people are expecting. And good for Russ because
he's gotten the bag over and over again.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Here what about rock Perty Mike in San Francisco? When's
this deal getting done? And how much of the Niners
get suckered in to pay.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Him, or if you're putting it that way, they started
at forty five a year. I think it gets to
fifty and nothing more. I really don't think it gets
to fifty five, just because of you know, you know
where you're starting from, you know the limitations, and you
know just how much of this roster have you've already paid.
So I think he's a fifty million dollars quarterback flat
over the next three to four years, probably three of
(13:58):
those guaranteed, so three for one fifties with a pactical contract,
And I think that's okay. I do think he's good
enough to pay him that money for three years and
then we'll see after that. But I know that's a
shocking number for mister irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It seems like a teardown for San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Is it really a teardown and is it primarily so
they can free up money for Brock.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
There's definitely some of that. They're an aggressive team. They
subtract quite a bit every season. This does feel like
it's a little bit more aggressive on the one side, though,
I am sitting here in Buffalo is That's where I'm
based out of here, and we were saying this exact
thing about Buffalo one calendar year ago, massive teardown. They
just let both their captains leave. This is certainly a
step back year for Buffalo and they are near made
(14:43):
the Super Bowl. So I'm not going to count out
that San Francisco front office for knowing what they're doing.
They probably just need a phenomenal draft, which they've had
in the past, and that's just how they're gonna recessitate
themselves back into a contender.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, Well, Michael Jennetti spot track dot Com and Mike
before you go, you said that you think the Hawks
are sitting between five and thirty million dollars right now.
If they get Tevin Jenkins, he takes up maybe ten million,
double digits of that, how much money do they need
left for their draft class? And after all that said
and done, how much more cash you think the Hawks
will have to throw around.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think there's probably one or two nice contracts, maybe
maybe a Jenkins been one more player, But in terms
of off season with this draft class, it's only about
seven million. So it's okay. They can they can operate here,
they can be a big team. They can still be
in on most of these players, and then we'll say
what happens at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Michael Jannetti spot track dot com, check it out on Twitter,
check it out on the web.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Always good stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You can always tell by the way how much traffic
is on your website when the web browser slows down
to a crawl, because people are always visiting your website. Man,
I get that same reaction from like Wikipedia and Baseball
Reference dot com. That's how big you boys are now
over there, Mike, great stuff. We appreciate the visit. We'll
talk to him, Mike, thanks man the pleasure. I think
(15:55):
Michael Jeannetti spot Track, well, he's kind of like the
John Clayton of this stuff now where he could be
full of it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Nobody would even question it, right, nobody would even know.
But he's I think we all trust him.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
He's like every single player, he's just top of them.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Togue. Yep, you know. He gives you exact reasons. That's
what he does really well.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
The stuff on on the Darnold deal obviously is massively
intriguing because it just leaves the Hawks so much wiggle room.
If things don't go well and you still have enough
room for a couple of big contracts. As he said,
go out and get a couple of linemen, draft some lineman,
draft a wide receiver, and the Hawks have really Again,
the first step is giving yourself a chance, and the
next step is doing something with that chance.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It feels like step one's already done.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
It seems like the Hawks, if they play their cards
right over the next couple of weeks, they could have
every major hole on their football team plugged before draft.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, they could. That would be incredible.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
How many teams can go to the draft and say
we have every major hole plugged.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Playing your cards right is a big part of it, though.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Man, Yes, I mean for a football team that has improven,
they can draft, develop, Lineman.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's a big If that's.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
A way, we're gonna get a couple right now, then
they don't have to draft or development.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Why do you think I want to sign them because
I don't trust them.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I don't I want to go out and get established
guys because I don't trust the Hawks to develop them
or coach them up on their own. We're gonna break
five point twenty. We still need some more help with
the bracket. We're gonna give away. By the way, two
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(17:28):
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