January 5, 2026 • 16 mins
Seahawks legend Walter Jones joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the win over the 49ers, the offensive line, NFC playoff field, #1 seed, and Pete Carroll fired.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Maybe the best left tackle of all time in the
history of the National Football League. We had the honor
of watching this man play every single Sunday for a
long long time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And he's back with us now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Our old friend Walter Jones, Big Walt joins us right
now on the radio program Walt, Happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
How are you, man? I'm doing good. Gods happy to
you too, New Year.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's good to have you back on the show. So
tell us about your response to this year. Man, how
kind of out of the blue for you? Fourteen and three,
number one seed, maybe the favorite to win the Super
Bowl right now? How much of this did you actually
see coming? And how much of this is even a
surprise to you?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Do you know what?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I'm thanking you a I think they're more surprised it
is that, you know in a new quarterback. You know,
I wasn't. I wasn't strange about the receiver's leavement. I
was just like, Okay, how is a new quarterback go
to come in here and be able to increment what
they wanted to do? And then basically he did the
exact same that he did when he was at Minnesota.
So for me personally, the way that Sam came in
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here and the way he played football since he'd been here,
it's pretty amazing. Even though with all the other negative
stuff that's behind him, the numbers that he didn't put
up in the last two years, I'm kind of glad
that he's on our team and we got him for
about more years.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
What'd you make what you saw Saturday night?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
As far as the game plan, I mean, obviously they
stuck to the run. They just kept going to it
because the Niners couldn't couldn't stop it, and it was
pretty conservative and that's why the game was so close.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But did you like that game plan?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I thought it was a perfect game plan. I think
a lot of times, you know, when you see the
running backs and I thought, I said, I was watching
the game and I was saying to myself. I said, man, something,
that's any running back, because especially with Kate nine, you know,
K nine is that kind of running back that's I
could hit the home run ball every time. But I
felt like both of those running back had a plan
when they came in the game. So you got to
take your head off to the coaches and let them know,
(02:08):
just hit the hole. I thought that's what they did
throughout the whole game. And I kind of took the
running game to the forty nine ers. You know, I
thought that forty nine had all the hype coming into
the game. You kind of felt like people thought like
there was easy for the forty nine ers, you know,
once they figured out their scenario what's going to happen.
It was just thinking that, Okay, we're just gonna win
this game because it's then our home field. But still again,
(02:29):
I thought the game plan and the way the defense,
you know, you got to take your head off the
way the defense to play the defense the way that
they came out there and kind of shut that offense
down because that offense has been hot for the last couple.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Of weeks, and for that defense.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
To go in there on their home field and shut
them down, like that. That was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, let's go back and talk about the offensive line
for a second. Wall we'll talk about the defense in
a minute. From your Perspective by Walter Jones with us
on the radio show. So, honestly, man, what's the difference
between this offensive line that we're seeing today versus the
one that we saw just a.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Remember, we would have you one constantly yelling at you
like it was your fault about the offensive line? Man,
how much different are do things looking? Why are they different?
In your opinion, I.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Think they kind of took a look at in their
own face and say, okay, we got to start from
the inside out. You know, the inside out. You know,
you take care of these guys. You try to figure
out when I came into the game, where you know
you you you set the left tackle of the left guard.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So, I think what they have going on right now,
all these guys are young, And I said that the
cool thing about it, these guys have been together all season.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And that's pretty.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Amazing that those guys really was together the whole season.
That was not no major injuries where guys was missing plays,
these guys have been together all season. So I think
that's that's a very positive thing for this offense that
you have these guys that's been together a whole season,
the whole training camp, the whole preseason, and now you're
seeing what these guys have done, what they have put
together for these guys. So these guys are going to
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be good for a long time.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You keep the young guys, and you know, Across just
got paid. So that telling me now that they're thinking
about this offensive line and what this offensive line can be.
So I think these guys the sky is the limit, man,
for them to be at this level, this early, this young,
all you can know is that that's gonna be a
lot of success.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Big wal Walter joins Jones, the Hall of Famer, joining us, Say,
you mentioned Charles Cross. Give us your opinion of what
you've seen from Charles Cross throughout his career and also
the development just within this season.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I think he's become in one of those I guess,
you know, you look at the line already. You know
he's like one of the older Vets already, and you
know you're seeing he got his a stenching. But I
think every year he just got better and better, consistently
better and better, you know, saying you can pick out
players and say he didn't do this or do this.
But from a standpoint, I think offensive liners. I feel
like offense line have to be thrown in the fire.
(04:44):
You know, you can probably sit a quarterback or any
other position. You can sit them and let them learn.
But I think offensive lineas you learn on the go.
You know, when you're throwing the far, you learn from
your mistake. So to keep him here, to keep him
locked up. And then now you got a young guy Zabeled,
that's going to be right there by his side. Man,
that's gonna be pretty amazing. Kind of going to give
you that old feeling the back when seventy six and
(05:06):
seventy one was out there, but still in again, these
guys are young and they want to be great. The
cool thing about all these guys, they want to be great.
So I'm happy for these guys and I'm happy for
the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That's high praise.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Man. Back in the day when seventy six and seventy one,
Holy moment to see that again, I.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Mean, we is this the best? Honestly in your opinion,
is this the best duo since then, I would.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Say, you know, like they still learn it. Man.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I think the whole point is like just being out
there and giving the experience, and they gonna get that
experience together, you know, if you get a guy that's right. Besides,
you know, Hutch came in this game kind of like
they came in. You know, he was a plug and
play guy. So you know that day one, I think
everybody said that, you know, from the trance staff to
the coaches, this guy is a day one guy. And
now if you put him with Charles Cross and now
(05:53):
you can kind of see what this team can really
be if you b up from the inside out.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And now you see it that success.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Well, what are you seeing up front, specifically in the
blocking scheme that's helping out the running backs, because those
running backs were getting shut down for most of the
first two months of the season and things have opened
up for him.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I'm thinking this all about a destiny, you know. I
think a lot of times you know your run plays,
your run plays, and then all of a sudden you
sit down and you decide, Okay, these are our best plays.
And I think you know, once they knew understood what
their stance was what they're going to do, you know,
and I tell people all the time, I felt like
a lot of that was you know, uh, these last
couple of games where you know, you didn't see the
offense putting up numbers and the defense was doing what
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they're doing. I felt like, you know, you got a
young guy McDonald, That guy is gonna always you know,
they always thinking about the next series or thinking about
the next game.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So but what they're doing is just these guys are
getting up to the second level.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Anytime you got athletic alignments that can get up to
the second level, you see these guys out on the screen,
you know, when you get these guys to move it
and you seeing that they want more athletic big boys,
but not just the big oversized guys. You want guys
that can move, guys that you're running screens with. And
I think that's the cool thing that you got. You know,
you don't catch a lot of line is that you know,
you're running screens all the time, You running screens all
the time, but these guys can get out in the
(07:08):
open field and make plays. And you kind of saw
that in these last couple of games where these guys
are getting out and I always tell people business that
if you're running back and get to the line of scrims,
you're going to have done your job. So in this game,
I felt like those guys definitely came out on a
mission to these guys to the second level. And then
once you got those guys to the second level, you
can see what these two running backs can do. So
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I think these guys can can move guys around, and
it looks fun for those guys.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Walter Jones with us. Who scares you in the NFC? Hell,
who scares you in the AFC? Who's got the kryptonite
to beat the seas?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
In your opinion? Honestly, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Said this man, I said that the NC West is
pretty tough.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I think that you know, you get three teams in
this di Bidgeon to go over ten wins, you know,
I tell people now, I say, now, with the way
these teams are coming together so fast, you know what
I'm saying, ten wins probably ain't guaranteed you to get
you in the playoff. You know, they all went can
last year and didn't make the playoffs. So I feel like,
you know, you have to take your head off to
the Rams. You got to take your hat off before
the nothers because we might have to meet those one
(08:10):
of those teams, one of those one of those guys again,
maybe in the next division round or in the NFC
Championship game. But then again, you got to look at Philly. Philly,
it's approved team. They know how to win, they know
when it gets tough, they know what to do to
get it done. So I look at Philly, and then
in the ALC. You know what I'm saying, you have
to wait till that time. And you know that that
the record showed that anybody in that provinsure can win.
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So I think anybody that comes out of ALC is
going to be a tough opponent because you know, we
didn't play most of them. But still again, you know,
I'm looking at my own division in the NFC West,
and I'm knowing that they're probably gonna be a chance
that we're gonna get another match up with one of
those teams before it's all said and done.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Walt taking the number one seed. You've seen it firsthand,
how good that is for the Seahattle Seahawks. The first
time we ever did it, you were on the field
and it led to a Super Bowl appearance. What is
the two weeks like from now until when you get
to play?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
For me personally, like I tell people all the time,
you know when I first when we did that that year,
you know, you don't know because you've never been there.
So I tell people all the time, you don't know that.
Then you think, now, I think for me personally when
I do when we went through that and had home
field advantage, we had the fans there to be to
witness that with the fans, and then you think to yourself,
now it puts you all in perspective of you and
(09:25):
saying like when all the good teams, you know, you
think about the Patriots, all the Cowboys teams, all these
teams that was good teams during the season, and you know,
homegom counter set that standard too.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
You've got to be great during the regular season.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Then you're gonna get water in the playoffs, and then
now you get two games.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
At home to get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
So anything that that stuff like, that's the kind of
stuff that gets you, you know, And now you're hearing
these guys. Some of these guys have never been on
winning team. So now these guys are learning this on
the go and they enjoying it. So you look at
them and say, we were just like us when we went.
We wasn't scarning that, we didn't know what we were
getting ourselves into. So I think these guys are in
the same boat. You've got these guys young, so even
if if thing's gonna go come out the way they're
(10:05):
supposed to come out, you're gonna have these guys for
a couple more years where this kid's gonna always be
in the hunt to win it all.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You know, the thing I love about you.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I got to know you first about twenty twenty five,
twenty four years ago. We couldn't get two words out
of you. Now now you sound like you've had about
five gallons of coffee by the way before you before
you got out of your show. So I love how
freaking hyped up you are for this thing. But when
you played in the postseason, did you guys actually like
hope somebody won so you could get a shot at them, Like,
(10:36):
do you think there's any chance the Seahawks behind the
scenes are rooting for the Rams or the Niners to
come to.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Town just so they can rip them one more time.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You know what the cool thing about that you're gonna
play this thing twice, So you know, from that standpoint, yes,
but if they get knocked out, you're happy.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I don't think nobody is sitting there saying, you know what,
I want to get the forty nine ers again. I
want the Rams again because that you know what the
teams can do to you too, though, But like I
said earlier, these are the two teams that you have
to think about that you're probably gonna have to meet
before you get to that big game in Super Bowl.
But if somebody knocks them out, you know, we just
take on the next opponent. But then again, you know,
I think guys don't sit down and think, you know what,
(11:15):
we get the Rams one more time again, or were
definitely gonna let pok A go for two hundred some yard.
But still again, you just want to go out there
and you take on what's in front of you. And
I'm hopefully that in the end that we hold in
another trophy, man. So I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Hey, wal we appreciate it. Before I let you go,
I got to ask you about Pete Carroll Man three
and fourteen. I'm just absolutely stunned at the fact that
he couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
What'd you make of what happened in Vegas this year
with Pete?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
It's tough, man.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I'll tell people all the time, I said, this game
now is I call it make Michael waves.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
People want it now. I want people want you to
turn it around. Now. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
You're thinking, you look at what coach McDonald did and
did last two years. So that's where the owners looking at.
They looking at guys that can come in here and
change the narrative, change the culture. Right now, it's not
it's not it's over that. Given four years, give him
two ear let him get his guys in here. So
I think from that standpoint, I think that's the whole
point right there, where now you've got to go in
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now and you've got to flip now you can't. It's
not a you don't have a window. You just got
to do it now. And I think that's what the
owner is looking at it. And then you've got to
look at where is he just going to You've got
a lot of young coaches that are being very successful,
very quick, So you can't you can't think that those
owners are looking and saying, you know, we need to
get some younger kids in here and get some younger
guys to hear back.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And change the game. And that's where you see the
game is going right now. Hey, what's the you know what?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, this is information that's readily available on the internet,
so I don't mind asking you because anybody can look
it up. What's the what's the most guaranteed money you
got in a contract that you signed? You remember off
the top of your head, you remember, Oh, man, I.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Think my my biggest guarantee was the years that I
think we were trying to sign huts and I think
they flipped myns. I won't to say, and I won't
put a number out there, but I will saying it
was a large in the teams.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
In the teams team, well, Charles Crouss just got seventy
five million dollars.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
By the way, I'll tell you, man, I.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Tell people, I tell them I said it never gonna
go down, So you know, you know, I never, I never.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
You know, look at that and say, wow, man, I
came up at the wrong time. I tell people. I'll
tell hey, I'm doing pretty good for myself, man. But no, no.
I tell people, if they give it to you, you
deserve it.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
So I'm never gonna look at another man's uh wallet
and say something, if they give it to you, you
deserve it.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I just wonder if you were born twenty years later, man,
I mean you would have been rich.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I know you are rich.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Right, Hey, Walt, great stuff man. Great to hear your voice.
And now let's talk to and.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, sorry, thanks a lot guys, all right.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Walter Jones man, just one of the all time best.
I mean, what what what that guy's done with his
broadcasting career. Like we talk about all the crazy things
that we never saw coming Oklahoma City, PA, That's one
of them, honestly. Like we're sitting there at the old
Northwest Colhich back on the day when they trained in
Kirkland Jackson talking to Walter Jones and you couldn't get
five words out of the guy during the season.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Now he's coming on the air and he won't shut up.
We had unbelievable I love having him on.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
We had him on the morning show the monday after
the Seahawks drafted him.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh oh whoa, And it was like Mitch and I
just looked at each other going like, what the heck?
Whoa wow?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, I can imagine, dude, But hey, you know what,
good for him. He's awesome. Now he's unbelievable. He has
really turned it around. Man, Not that he needed to.
He was a quiet guy, but he was the best
left tackle on his.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
To answer your question, ye, what's what the sixty five
point four million that's the most he got.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
No, that's the total that he got. Oh, the total
total sixty five point four is his career? Charles Cross
just made seventy five? Well, he becomes am I right
on this. He's the third Seahawks lineman drafted by Schneider
to get a second deal. It was Okugan, then Britt
and now this guy. So we're talking seventeen sixteen drafts, correct,
I mean sixteen drafts re alignment have gotten a second deal?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
You know what that makes me think of? Name the
last top two round draft pick that Schneider missed on
four years in a row. I saw a let right
they the last missed.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
They put the list up on ESPN since two thousand
and one, and there hasn't been one. So I know
he's nine for his last nine in the first and
second round. Now is if Arroyo is a hit, right,
we don't think he's a miss.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I thought he was late second that was a second round. Yeah, okay,
so that's so weak. That's still be up in the
air one.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But I don't I wouldn't call him a miss. Here's
the here's the here's the first and second round. It
was the last few years. Gray's Abel in the first,
even Worry Arroyo in the second, Byron Murphy in the first, Witherspoon, JSN,
Derek Hall, Zach Sharboney hit hit, hit hit, Charles cross
boy A, Mafe, Kenny.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Walker hit hit.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
The last time was d S Ridge one, which is
still another which is another reason why when we have
these discussions of would you trade two first round picks?
Would you trade three first round picks for this guy?
John Schneider usually nails these. So with John Schneider, I
don't think I usually answer no to those questions.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Would you trade four first rounders for Sam Darnald? Right now?
Remember that conversation we had. I wouldn't do it. I
wouldn't do it. You got a quarterback, why would you
give it up? You know how many bums there are
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Right now, how many teams would cut their hands off
for Sam Darnold to be their quarterback?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, we're gonna break.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Man, been waiting a while for this extremely difficult or
they were so close, so close?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Maybe the best left tackle of all time in the
history of the National Football League. We had the honor
of watching this man play every single Sunday for a
long long time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And he's back with us now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Our old friend Walter Jones, Big Walt joins us right
now on the radio program Walt, Happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
How are you, man? I'm doing good. Gods happy to
you too, New Year.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's good to have you back on the show. So
tell us about your response to this year. Man, how
kind of out of the blue for you? Fourteen and three,
number one seed, maybe the favorite to win the Super
Bowl right now? How much of this did you actually
see coming? And how much of this is even a
surprise to you?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Do you know what?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I'm thanking you a I think they're more surprised it
is that, you know in a new quarterback. You know,
I wasn't. I wasn't strange about the receiver's leavement. I
was just like, Okay, how is a new quarterback go
to come in here and be able to increment what
they wanted to do? And then basically he did the
exact same that he did when he was at Minnesota.
So for me personally, the way that Sam came in
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here and the way he played football since he'd been here,
it's pretty amazing. Even though with all the other negative
stuff that's behind him, the numbers that he didn't put
up in the last two years, I'm kind of glad
that he's on our team and we got him for
about more years.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
What'd you make what you saw Saturday night?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
As far as the game plan, I mean, obviously they
stuck to the run. They just kept going to it
because the Niners couldn't couldn't stop it, and it was
pretty conservative and that's why the game was so close.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But did you like that game plan?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I thought it was a perfect game plan. I think
a lot of times, you know, when you see the
running backs and I thought, I said, I was watching
the game and I was saying to myself. I said, man, something,
that's any running back, because especially with Kate nine, you know,
K nine is that kind of running back that's I
could hit the home run ball every time. But I
felt like both of those running back had a plan
when they came in the game. So you got to
take your head off to the coaches and let them know,
(02:08):
just hit the hole. I thought that's what they did
throughout the whole game. And I kind of took the
running game to the forty nine ers. You know, I
thought that forty nine had all the hype coming into
the game. You kind of felt like people thought like
there was easy for the forty nine ers, you know,
once they figured out their scenario what's going to happen.
It was just thinking that, Okay, we're just gonna win
this game because it's then our home field. But still again,
(02:29):
I thought the game plan and the way the defense,
you know, you got to take your head off the
way the defense to play the defense the way that
they came out there and kind of shut that offense
down because that offense has been hot for the last couple.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Of weeks, and for that defense.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
To go in there on their home field and shut
them down, like that. That was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, let's go back and talk about the offensive line
for a second. Wall we'll talk about the defense in
a minute. From your Perspective by Walter Jones with us
on the radio show. So, honestly, man, what's the difference
between this offensive line that we're seeing today versus the
one that we saw just a.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Remember, we would have you one constantly yelling at you
like it was your fault about the offensive line? Man,
how much different are do things looking? Why are they different?
In your opinion, I.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Think they kind of took a look at in their
own face and say, okay, we got to start from
the inside out. You know, the inside out. You know,
you take care of these guys. You try to figure
out when I came into the game, where you know
you you you set the left tackle of the left guard.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So, I think what they have going on right now,
all these guys are young, And I said that the
cool thing about it, these guys have been together all season.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And that's pretty.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Amazing that those guys really was together the whole season.
That was not no major injuries where guys was missing plays,
these guys have been together all season. So I think
that's that's a very positive thing for this offense that
you have these guys that's been together a whole season,
the whole training camp, the whole preseason, and now you're
seeing what these guys have done, what they have put
together for these guys. So these guys are going to
(03:53):
be good for a long time.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You keep the young guys, and you know, Across just
got paid. So that telling me now that they're thinking
about this offensive line and what this offensive line can be.
So I think these guys the sky is the limit, man,
for them to be at this level, this early, this young,
all you can know is that that's gonna be a
lot of success.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Big wal Walter joins Jones, the Hall of Famer, joining us, Say,
you mentioned Charles Cross. Give us your opinion of what
you've seen from Charles Cross throughout his career and also
the development just within this season.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I think he's become in one of those I guess,
you know, you look at the line already. You know
he's like one of the older Vets already, and you
know you're seeing he got his a stenching. But I
think every year he just got better and better, consistently
better and better, you know, saying you can pick out
players and say he didn't do this or do this.
But from a standpoint, I think offensive liners. I feel
like offense line have to be thrown in the fire.
(04:44):
You know, you can probably sit a quarterback or any
other position. You can sit them and let them learn.
But I think offensive lineas you learn on the go.
You know, when you're throwing the far, you learn from
your mistake. So to keep him here, to keep him
locked up. And then now you got a young guy Zabeled,
that's going to be right there by his side. Man,
that's gonna be pretty amazing. Kind of going to give
you that old feeling the back when seventy six and
(05:06):
seventy one was out there, but still in again, these
guys are young and they want to be great. The
cool thing about all these guys, they want to be great.
So I'm happy for these guys and I'm happy for
the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That's high praise.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Man. Back in the day when seventy six and seventy one,
Holy moment to see that again, I.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Mean, we is this the best? Honestly in your opinion,
is this the best duo since then, I would.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Say, you know, like they still learn it. Man.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I think the whole point is like just being out
there and giving the experience, and they gonna get that
experience together, you know, if you get a guy that's right. Besides,
you know, Hutch came in this game kind of like
they came in. You know, he was a plug and
play guy. So you know that day one, I think
everybody said that, you know, from the trance staff to
the coaches, this guy is a day one guy. And
now if you put him with Charles Cross and now
(05:53):
you can kind of see what this team can really
be if you b up from the inside out.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And now you see it that success.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Well, what are you seeing up front, specifically in the
blocking scheme that's helping out the running backs, because those
running backs were getting shut down for most of the
first two months of the season and things have opened
up for him.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I'm thinking this all about a destiny, you know. I
think a lot of times you know your run plays,
your run plays, and then all of a sudden you
sit down and you decide, Okay, these are our best plays.
And I think you know, once they knew understood what
their stance was what they're going to do, you know,
and I tell people all the time, I felt like
a lot of that was you know, uh, these last
couple of games where you know, you didn't see the
offense putting up numbers and the defense was doing what
(06:35):
they're doing. I felt like, you know, you got a
young guy McDonald, That guy is gonna always you know,
they always thinking about the next series or thinking about
the next game.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So but what they're doing is just these guys are
getting up to the second level.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Anytime you got athletic alignments that can get up to
the second level, you see these guys out on the screen,
you know, when you get these guys to move it
and you seeing that they want more athletic big boys,
but not just the big oversized guys. You want guys
that can move, guys that you're running screens with. And
I think that's the cool thing that you got. You know,
you don't catch a lot of line is that you know,
you're running screens all the time, You running screens all
the time, but these guys can get out in the
(07:08):
open field and make plays. And you kind of saw
that in these last couple of games where these guys
are getting out and I always tell people business that
if you're running back and get to the line of scrims,
you're going to have done your job. So in this game,
I felt like those guys definitely came out on a
mission to these guys to the second level. And then
once you got those guys to the second level, you
can see what these two running backs can do. So
(07:28):
I think these guys can can move guys around, and
it looks fun for those guys.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Walter Jones with us. Who scares you in the NFC? Hell,
who scares you in the AFC? Who's got the kryptonite
to beat the seas?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
In your opinion? Honestly, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Said this man, I said that the NC West is
pretty tough.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I think that you know, you get three teams in
this di Bidgeon to go over ten wins, you know,
I tell people now, I say, now, with the way
these teams are coming together so fast, you know what
I'm saying, ten wins probably ain't guaranteed you to get
you in the playoff. You know, they all went can
last year and didn't make the playoffs. So I feel like,
you know, you have to take your head off to
the Rams. You got to take your hat off before
the nothers because we might have to meet those one
(08:10):
of those teams, one of those one of those guys again,
maybe in the next division round or in the NFC
Championship game. But then again, you got to look at Philly. Philly,
it's approved team. They know how to win, they know
when it gets tough, they know what to do to
get it done. So I look at Philly, and then
in the ALC. You know what I'm saying, you have
to wait till that time. And you know that that
the record showed that anybody in that provinsure can win.
(08:32):
So I think anybody that comes out of ALC is
going to be a tough opponent because you know, we
didn't play most of them. But still again, you know,
I'm looking at my own division in the NFC West,
and I'm knowing that they're probably gonna be a chance
that we're gonna get another match up with one of
those teams before it's all said and done.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Walt taking the number one seed. You've seen it firsthand,
how good that is for the Seahattle Seahawks. The first
time we ever did it, you were on the field
and it led to a Super Bowl appearance. What is
the two weeks like from now until when you get
to play?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
For me personally, like I tell people all the time,
you know when I first when we did that that year,
you know, you don't know because you've never been there.
So I tell people all the time, you don't know that.
Then you think, now, I think for me personally when
I do when we went through that and had home
field advantage, we had the fans there to be to
witness that with the fans, and then you think to yourself,
now it puts you all in perspective of you and
(09:25):
saying like when all the good teams, you know, you
think about the Patriots, all the Cowboys teams, all these
teams that was good teams during the season, and you know,
homegom counter set that standard too.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
You've got to be great during the regular season.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Then you're gonna get water in the playoffs, and then
now you get two games.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
At home to get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
So anything that that stuff like, that's the kind of
stuff that gets you, you know, And now you're hearing
these guys. Some of these guys have never been on
winning team. So now these guys are learning this on
the go and they enjoying it. So you look at
them and say, we were just like us when we went.
We wasn't scarning that, we didn't know what we were
getting ourselves into. So I think these guys are in
the same boat. You've got these guys young, so even
if if thing's gonna go come out the way they're
(10:05):
supposed to come out, you're gonna have these guys for
a couple more years where this kid's gonna always be
in the hunt to win it all.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You know, the thing I love about you.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I got to know you first about twenty twenty five,
twenty four years ago. We couldn't get two words out
of you. Now now you sound like you've had about
five gallons of coffee by the way before you before
you got out of your show. So I love how
freaking hyped up you are for this thing. But when
you played in the postseason, did you guys actually like
hope somebody won so you could get a shot at them, Like,
(10:36):
do you think there's any chance the Seahawks behind the
scenes are rooting for the Rams or the Niners to
come to.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Town just so they can rip them one more time.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You know what the cool thing about that you're gonna
play this thing twice, So you know, from that standpoint, yes,
but if they get knocked out, you're happy.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I don't think nobody is sitting there saying, you know what,
I want to get the forty nine ers again. I
want the Rams again because that you know what the
teams can do to you too, though, But like I
said earlier, these are the two teams that you have
to think about that you're probably gonna have to meet
before you get to that big game in Super Bowl.
But if somebody knocks them out, you know, we just
take on the next opponent. But then again, you know,
I think guys don't sit down and think, you know what,
(11:15):
we get the Rams one more time again, or were
definitely gonna let pok A go for two hundred some yard.
But still again, you just want to go out there
and you take on what's in front of you. And
I'm hopefully that in the end that we hold in
another trophy, man. So I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Hey, wal we appreciate it. Before I let you go,
I got to ask you about Pete Carroll Man three
and fourteen. I'm just absolutely stunned at the fact that
he couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
What'd you make of what happened in Vegas this year
with Pete?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
It's tough, man.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I'll tell people all the time, I said, this game
now is I call it make Michael waves.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
People want it now. I want people want you to
turn it around. Now. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
You're thinking, you look at what coach McDonald did and
did last two years. So that's where the owners looking at.
They looking at guys that can come in here and
change the narrative, change the culture. Right now, it's not
it's not it's over that. Given four years, give him
two ear let him get his guys in here. So
I think from that standpoint, I think that's the whole
point right there, where now you've got to go in
(12:13):
now and you've got to flip now you can't. It's
not a you don't have a window. You just got
to do it now. And I think that's what the
owner is looking at it. And then you've got to
look at where is he just going to You've got
a lot of young coaches that are being very successful,
very quick, So you can't you can't think that those
owners are looking and saying, you know, we need to
get some younger kids in here and get some younger
guys to hear back.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And change the game. And that's where you see the
game is going right now. Hey, what's the you know what?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, this is information that's readily available on the internet,
so I don't mind asking you because anybody can look
it up. What's the what's the most guaranteed money you
got in a contract that you signed? You remember off
the top of your head, you remember, Oh, man, I.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Think my my biggest guarantee was the years that I
think we were trying to sign huts and I think
they flipped myns. I won't to say, and I won't
put a number out there, but I will saying it
was a large in the teams.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
In the teams team, well, Charles Crouss just got seventy
five million dollars.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
By the way, I'll tell you, man, I.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Tell people, I tell them I said it never gonna
go down, So you know, you know, I never, I never.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
You know, look at that and say, wow, man, I
came up at the wrong time. I tell people. I'll
tell hey, I'm doing pretty good for myself, man. But no, no.
I tell people, if they give it to you, you
deserve it.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
So I'm never gonna look at another man's uh wallet
and say something, if they give it to you, you
deserve it.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I just wonder if you were born twenty years later, man,
I mean you would have been rich.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I know you are rich.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Right, Hey, Walt, great stuff man. Great to hear your voice.
And now let's talk to and.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, sorry, thanks a lot guys, all right.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Walter Jones man, just one of the all time best.
I mean, what what what that guy's done with his
broadcasting career. Like we talk about all the crazy things
that we never saw coming Oklahoma City, PA, That's one
of them, honestly. Like we're sitting there at the old
Northwest Colhich back on the day when they trained in
Kirkland Jackson talking to Walter Jones and you couldn't get
five words out of the guy during the season.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Now he's coming on the air and he won't shut up.
We had unbelievable I love having him on.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
We had him on the morning show the monday after
the Seahawks drafted him.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh oh whoa, And it was like Mitch and I
just looked at each other going like, what the heck?
Whoa wow?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, I can imagine, dude, But hey, you know what,
good for him. He's awesome. Now he's unbelievable. He has
really turned it around. Man, Not that he needed to.
He was a quiet guy, but he was the best
left tackle on his.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
To answer your question, ye, what's what the sixty five
point four million that's the most he got.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
No, that's the total that he got. Oh, the total
total sixty five point four is his career? Charles Cross
just made seventy five? Well, he becomes am I right
on this. He's the third Seahawks lineman drafted by Schneider
to get a second deal. It was Okugan, then Britt
and now this guy. So we're talking seventeen sixteen drafts, correct,
I mean sixteen drafts re alignment have gotten a second deal?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
You know what that makes me think of? Name the
last top two round draft pick that Schneider missed on
four years in a row. I saw a let right
they the last missed.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
They put the list up on ESPN since two thousand
and one, and there hasn't been one. So I know
he's nine for his last nine in the first and
second round. Now is if Arroyo is a hit, right,
we don't think he's a miss.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I thought he was late second that was a second round. Yeah, okay,
so that's so weak. That's still be up in the
air one.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But I don't I wouldn't call him a miss. Here's
the here's the here's the first and second round. It
was the last few years. Gray's Abel in the first,
even Worry Arroyo in the second, Byron Murphy in the first, Witherspoon, JSN,
Derek Hall, Zach Sharboney hit hit, hit hit, Charles cross
boy A, Mafe, Kenny.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Walker hit hit.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
The last time was d S Ridge one, which is
still another which is another reason why when we have
these discussions of would you trade two first round picks?
Would you trade three first round picks for this guy?
John Schneider usually nails these. So with John Schneider, I
don't think I usually answer no to those questions.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Would you trade four first rounders for Sam Darnald? Right now?
Remember that conversation we had. I wouldn't do it. I
wouldn't do it. You got a quarterback, why would you
give it up? You know how many bums there are
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Right now, how many teams would cut their hands off
for Sam Darnold to be their quarterback?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, we're gonna break.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Man, been waiting a while for this extremely difficult or
they were so close, so close?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
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