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October 29, 2025 27 mins

Keely Dunning and Laura Schott breakdown an exciting slate of matches making up NWSL Decision Day on November 2nd, and celebrate the incredible legacy Jess Fishlock has cemented for herself for Wales.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Said hi everyone, Welcome back to Rain Weekly. KII dunning
here with Laura shot and spoiler alert, Laura just got
a kitten, and I want to hear all about this kitten.
What is the genesis of this kitten? Did it have
to do with your lovely daughter. I'm assuming go through
this and then obviously we'll get into rain but I
think everyone needs to know about this kitten.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, don't. I don't obviously normally do the play by play,
but I mean, I guess we can. With a kitten.
A friend had a cat that had kittens, and Grayson
was spending some time over there this summer, and of course,
of course, naturally you would want a kitten. And it's adorable.
His name's Cheo. He's been super mellow, and then in
the last week he just wants to jump on everything,

(01:31):
like he tries to climb up me. Yeah, and he
has his own space, he has his own room, so
you know, you walk in there and if it's he
feels like it's time to play. He's gonna go hard.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Speaking of Rain, as you all know, have clinched a
playoff spot, but decision day still very important because we
would love to be able to host a home playoff
game that is huge, massive, amazing, would be awesome, but
the road to get there is not the easiest road. Yeah,
the team is visiting Orlando at Orlando. Laura, let's get

(02:04):
some thoughts on facing Orlando at Orlando, because that's tricky.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
That's a trick. Obviously, Orlando had a They've had a
great run and then they had had injuries. I mean
they had an injury to Marta and to Banda, and
that set them back a little bit. I think that
that put them back a little bit with some results
more recently, but at least in the points. But you know,
Marda maybe returning, maybe be at full speed here soon.

(02:31):
I mean she has but obviously that's a big boost.
So Orlando though they obviously they're a good team. They're
where they're at because they've earned it, and so I
think it's it's you know, it's East cust travel, it's
all those things. Orlando obviously had a year kind of
reminiscent of Kansas City this year, last year. So they're now,

(02:52):
they're not new to this, they know what this is,
so they're gonna I think that game is gonna be
a battle.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm looking at the standings. Orlando is one point above
us in third place. I mean, that's like as much
of an exciting decision taking matchup as you could possibly
ask for. Yes, soccer gods, at least from an entertaining
entertainment and storyline perspective, or on our side, I don't know,
you know what, Actually I'm gonna I'm gonna take a

(03:18):
different opinion here. I actually think that this is a
great opportunity going into the postseason to go on the
road play one of the toughest teams. I mean, I
don't know, it feels like a great way to roll
into the postseason, especially if we get a good result.
I mean even a draw is a good result there. Yeah,
this is an opportunity. Challenges are opportunities. I think this
is a really really cool opportunity.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's a great opportunity. I mean going on the road.
I mean, we saw saw the tithe the result with
Gotham last time. The rain faced East coast travel, so
they took that task very well, responded very well. You
could see that getting that point on the road was
huge given how the team and Laura Harvey framed it

(04:00):
and responded to it. So those points are huge, But
there's a lot on the line here. We know that
the Rain would love a home game, may or may
not get it because that is a very tough game.
And like you said, they're sitting three and four. But
you know, just recently we were playing North Carolina and
we were right next to them, and the standing is
closer to the bottom of the table fighting to get in.
So that's a great point. Again, the art the Rain

(04:22):
art new to these scenarios, so they'll be ready.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
It kind of feels like every single team down the
stretch has kind of bit like this to be at studio.
I mean, starting like you said, when we were playing
North Carolina, we're playing Louisville, like all those teams that
are now those are the two teams that are fighting
to make get into the postseason still and we've really
risen to the challenge. So congratulations and the Rain on that.
Laura Harvey always sort of and she's told us this,

(04:46):
She puts out her starting lineup based on the opponent.
So what do you think Laura Harvey is going to
put out against Orlando And how do we match up
against one of the top teams in NWUSL.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I mean, I think we match up extremely well. I
don't know if she's got to change a whole lot
from the last game. I mean, we'll see, We'll see
where Heidem is at. Obviously there were a couple injuries.
Meant to see where she's at if she plugs back in.
But we know that Laura Harvey, like you said, she

(05:18):
changes lineup week to week. We've seen that all year.
I wouldn't doubt if there's going to be some changes. Obviously,
those are two big names that have started a lot
of games and been very successful. They might be back in,
but it'll be interesting to see what she does with like,
for example, a Jess Fishlocke who has been coming off
the bench and obviously doing it extremely well. Well. Yeah,

(05:40):
almost like a sixth man kind of scenario or a
twelfth man kind of scenario coming in totally and that
brings a ton of energy. That's a really fun dynamic
when you have that as a coach, where you know
you can make substitutions and at a point in the
game sixty seventy minutes and you can get better. You
can bring that energy, you can bring that excitement. So
I think those are some things to watch for sure.

(06:02):
We know who she may play in the back line
when you're playing the five. There's really about six people
that have been rotating in there, maybe seven, But those
are the those are the things that I'm curious about
to see really Heidema, where Menti's at. But we know,
you know, mclarenan stepping in has been doing wonderfully. We'll
have to see where Mezz is at because she was

(06:23):
going to go into camp and then didn't, so that's
an interesting fold. But no matter what, we know that
the rain are prepared for this. It's almost like they've
been training for this all season. If you look back,
and you know, I know at times we were we've
talked about, oh are they are they gonna, you know,
end up with a starting lineup and get to a
very regular eleven, and that never happened sitting in fourth,

(06:43):
so it seems to have have paid off. In that rotation,
you're gonna have people who are a little bit more fresh,
so hopefully that all that all works out here in
the end. As we got into that second half of
the year after we had the large international break, it
was really interesting to see that. I'm and even when
we played a team like Utah, who after the turn
started to win some games and make a run in

(07:06):
North Carolina, they had actually quite a significant number of
people changing in the lineup. So I think what's unique
about the rain is that it wasn't necessarily injuries or
anything like that, or even trades that changed the lineup.
It was more people earning it and trading. Having a
young team, and I think as a coach you're trying

(07:27):
to figure out what what buttons to push when, how
they respond, how they're how quickly they're going to come
along at the professional level. And there's just been a
ton of players this year that have stepped up, and
then a ton of older players, veterans that have just
hit landmarks. So it's been it's been quite the year.
It's been a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It really has uh and it's I don't want to
say up and down. Hasn't been up and down, but
it's definitely been unpredictable. I would say unpredicted. Yeah, lots
are really really cool. Like you said, those milestones all
coming this season, A bunch of retirements that are you know,
coming hopefully though they have a bunch of more games
to play. I'm actually scary. So I'm looking at these

(08:10):
game notes that are awesome pr afishinga o'riyan Perez puts together. Yeah,
And I'm looking at the starting elevens from this season.
I don't know if we have a single one that
is exactly the same.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I I mean, are you thinking, are you looking back
to back or are you looking just across the course
of the year.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Oh, I'm looking across the across the course of the year.
It's hard though, my brain is kind of but it's
a lot of different ones.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, I mean just to catch you know, like I mean,
Keey right now is looking live at twenty five. Yeah,
it's a lot lineups, so it's it's a lot to process.
I don't know about back to back. Maybe maybe once
or twice we've we've had the same one. But yeah,
I mean it speaks to the ability of players on
this team to be prepared for a moment, and we've

(08:57):
seen a number of players step in and nobody has
looked out of place, nobody has looked like, oh they
have to catch up in some way. They've seemed very prepared,
very professional, They've performed very well. So it gives a
coach and it gives an organization a lot of flexibility
and what they want to do with the opponents that
they face.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I have to say too, I think it's a testament
to the depth of talent and totally because we're not
the only team that's this way.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I look when we put together those starting lineup graphics
on all of our local broadcasts, we always use the
game notes and we try and predict what they're going
to do just based on what their last lineup was,
and it's never even close to being correct.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
So many times we're in there as we get lucky.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Sometimes we get lucky and a coach is like, yeah,
we're people knew one or whatever, but yeah, people knew.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Like when we go through rehearsal sometimes we don't have
the lineups, and how quickly we know. We'll look at
a lineup from either the previous game or we'll look
at a lineup last time we face them, and it's
often almost all the time I would say it's.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Different almost every time. It's different, which you know, it's
annoying on our end. Slightly right, just a little bit
more of a fire drill right before we go on air.
Just a little bit more fire drill.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But you guys are so good. I don't envy that moment,
but you guys are so good at it. It's like
seamless for you guys.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Congratulations to Jordan Thompson who is my broadcast assistant who
works on graphics with the Jordan operators, and then Ashley
and Larry who have been all changing as our graphic operators.
So good job, guys.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Those guys are awesome.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's really really hard, but like I said, it is
a testament to the depth of talent in the NWSL
for sure. All right, let's go through the rest of
the matchups that are coming up on decision day Casey
versus San Diego, Utah playing Washington spirit Portland versus Houston,
Chicago versus LA, and then the two games that I

(10:52):
have starred because this is going to determine that final
playoff team North Carolina playing Gotham and then Louisville playing Bay.
So those are gonna be the two to watch simply
because either North Carolina or Louisville is going to make
that last uh playoff is gonna have that last playoff spot.

(11:13):
That's actually kind of exciting. I love when there's all
these you know, other factors that you know you have
to factor in and you can't prepare for because you're
not gonna know until there it is. And you have
to be adoptable and you have to adjust, and you
have to you know, be willing to get gritty and
crazy in the playoffs. And this is my favorite time
of year. I love postseason soccer. I know that is

(11:35):
so anti European of me, I don't care. I love
that we still adopt the American postseason. And I've convinced
several people from across the Pond who have moved out
here and have been you know, working at WSL and MLS,
and they all, well, I'm not gonna say they all agree,
but Steve zach Wanning agrees with me that the playoffs

(11:55):
are great. So I will die on that hill. I
love postseason soccer. Yes, Kansas City won the Supporter Shield,
but like Phoebe McLaren had said, a while back, that
doesn't matter. When we celebrate winning the w CEL trophy
right in front of you. So that's right.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I love seeing her get fired up. I mean, that's not.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So great, it's so great. And to like put that
out in the press too, I love that. I love
that so much. Yea, it brings out my WWE fandom
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Oh does it. I don't think I know this about you.
I don't know about the WWE, but I have.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Some weird hobbies and interests. Okay, that's probably why I've
migrated somehow to Seattle, aka like the nerd capital of
the world. And I say that with love and it's
a fellow nerd.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Oh, I got it. I got it.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I appreciate the specific Northwest for that so much, and
the not too cool attitude about it, which is also awesome.
We still have so much to talk about with the Rain,
including a ton of players who had international duty, which
is just another I keep saying the word testament. That's
kind of my word of this show. A testament to
the strength on the Rain, a testament to the work

(12:59):
that Leslie almar is done to put this roster together.
And you know, just the best women's soccer talent right
in your backyard, so stick with us. We'll have more
on international duty and more playoff predictions. Achille Dunning and

(13:28):
Laura Shatt back with more Rain weekly. One thing I've noticed,
just as you know an American sports fan who also
you know now loves soccer, and soccer is my favorite
sport that I enjoy watching and I obviously work in
and I live, breathe, and do so much with it
now a little theater kid from California now, is that
soccer there's so much less transparency that I've noticed in

(13:53):
terms of actually knowing what an injury is to a player,
how long they're going to be out. I know that
there's reporting protocols, but when you look at the n
you I feel like teams have to report it, yeah,
and you have to know, Okay, they're gonna be gone
this amount of time. It's this very specific thing, and
any cloak and dagger type of stuff that they try
and do they never get away with, whereas soccer, and

(14:16):
it's probably more of the international culture of sport versus
the American culture sport, where American cultures we have to
know everything about everything and you have eight media availabilities
that you have to be available for and there's just
so much more that's expected in terms of transparency and
information on the side. But in Europe, I mean, I

(14:36):
I don't half the time they're not even able to
attend trainings. Like that's a different thing. That's a totally
different thing. So the whole you know, not really knowing
injury stuff. It's it's different, it's very very different.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I mean, I guess bigger picture for the NWSL,
I'm curious as the players Association and just a little
bit more time passes with some of the protocols, what
happens with that. I mean, I'm sure at some point
it'll it'll change a little bit. I mean which way
or how I can't predict, but I think that for

(15:08):
a great reason, and there's been a lot of focus
on player protection and player safety, and so I think
that they want to get it right and it's better
to err on the side of keeping the players safe
and comfortable, uh than chance it. And I think that's
just a snapshot in time, maybe a piece of where
we're at. But I think that maybe it'll change somewhat
in the future.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I think that that's a whole another interesting conversation just
as a sports league grows, Yeah, what the expectations are
then placed upon the personnel within that sports league. Yeah,
it has to change. And what doesn't change and how
fast that can change and how slow it has to
you know, you can't. I just look at this from

(15:52):
producing our first local broadcast this year, and this is
absolutely nothing to do with anything from the team side.
They have been amazing to work with and incredible and
this has just been a dream year for us in
so many ways and really really cool. But I'm not
going to push too hard to get too much too soon.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, you know, growth has to.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It has to be gradual, and then eventually you hit
a point where it, you know, skyrockets. But right now,
and this is the frustrating middle part for a lot
of people. Sure, is this like right before the launch
kind of you need to go gradual? Yeah, because then
you'll stay up. You're not going to just go right down.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
No, you need it, You need a base. And I
mean I think you hit it on the head, Kiley.
And that's a really important point that the league itself
obviously had some changes in the last few years, very positive,
great for growth. I mean we're already seeing that organizationally, though,
there's a reason why a lot of players look at
the Rain and want to come to the Rain, And

(16:55):
a lot of that's cultural from the front office, from
coach Harvey, from GM Leslie Gallimore. Uh, you know, they
they have certain values that they want to hereby. And
I think that both of those individuals speaking about Leslie
and and Laura certainly growth mindset, individuals that know that

(17:18):
a short term payoff isn't always best long term and
so whether it's player safety, or it's looking long term
planning or those sorts of things. I think everybody is
on board that it's it's a build, right, don't want
to have one good year and then you know a
slew of poor ones. You want to you want to
build something that has a solid foundation. And you know,

(17:39):
the organization went through a lot of changes just over
a year ago, right, so a lot of positive things,
so many positive things. I want to echo what you said,
I mean, what an awesome year I want to turn
around from last year. I just think that there's a
lot of positive things moving forward. You hear that from
the players quite a bit, right. They want to always,

(18:01):
you know, give these people compliments. It's not always the way.
It doesn't organizations, right, they're not always complimenting. They're not
always complimenting their m and their staff and the players
around them. There's a lot of dynamics that go on
in a locker room, but you get that here and
that's special. And I think the slow build in terms
of having a great year but building upon it and

(18:22):
having a solid foundation or or where we're at and
what we're doing well.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
And like I said, that middle sticky, annoying place where
you don't you're working so hard but you're not seeing
the results of it necessarily. But then all of a sudden,
the results start coming and you're like, thank goodness, I
went this slow. Thank goodness I was the tortoise and
not the hair, because now I have this amazing foundation

(18:47):
that's built.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, And I mean you can look take stepping back
from it the last year, I mean the Seattle rain
sitting and forth right now last year sitting in thirteenth
and there's nothing really slow about that turnaround. No, But
I think when we're talking about growth and we're talking
about foundations, getting those things right sometimes take time. I
just think it's great that this organization values those things

(19:10):
and sees them as important. And then on top of that,
I think that you get players that feel valued and
they feel safe, and you know, there's adversities in every season,
whether they're injuries or other things, and when those things
come up, if everybody has developed this trust, which again
takes time to develop. Yeah, it takes time, and they're doing.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It amazing all right, Speaking of our amazing veterans, Jefs
Fishlock playing her final game with Wales, not final game
in soccer in general. She is not retiring WSL. No,
it's been quoted as confirming that she is not retiring.
We will still have just Fishlock with us. We can

(19:51):
we can't lose Jeff Fishlock. No, ya, but on fire.
She's been on absolute fire. She's having an absolute renaissance
of a season. Again. Congratulately are her and mass and
congratulations her one hundred and sixty six cap with Whales
and her final cap, which is a record of course
for her. Uh. I was about to say, like, let's
just talk about Jefs Fishlock, but so that is so massive,

(20:15):
one hundred and sixty six caps. Yeah, and she is
that Wales team.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Men and women, men and women's the men's and the women's.
It's Jeff Fishlock, Gareth Bale. They are whales.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
She is whales.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
She's true. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, you know, we're talking about building things and we're
talking about foundations, and you know, Jeff Fishlock is obviously
gonna be one of those people for Whales, for Whales
soccer forever. I mean, nobody has done it like she's
done it. There you can tell. I mean we talked

(20:54):
a little bit about the celebration and the singing and
the support during her final game and press conferences and
those things, and you know, you can you can tell
how much she means to that team and that country
and what she's done there. It's palpable, it's obvious, and
you can tell the joy it brings her too, and
how much pride she takes in it. So it just

(21:16):
it brought me a lot of happiness seeing those things
coming from from that game in her final match, because
she deserves it all.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I could not have said it better myself, so I
will not even try.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
All right, all right.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Other great news, big, big, big, amazing exciting news. Lynn
Biandolo Yes is having a baby, posting on Instagram. Yeah,
four days ago to our little blessing. You are already
so loved, You are already such a light in this world.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Great post.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Parents are already so embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Love you more than you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Mom, Mom, and dead. That is so cute.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
It's so good. It's been a great job.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
An sing. That's amazing, So congratulations to them. Absolutely unbelievable.
That's amazing and yet again another testament to how strong
women's bodies are. That we give birth to actual human beings.
Our bodies build and create other human beings, and that
is amazing.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I just I love that we're at a time where
these things are are celebrated and you know, put out
posts like that and everybody's so excited. And we've seen
it with with other athletes in the league over the
last few years. And you know, that wasn't that wasn't
always celebrated the way it is now. And the fact
that the athletes get to celebrate this, they don't have
to hide it or wait or you know, any of

(22:42):
those dynamics that just weren't as weren't as fun. And
you know, having children is an amazing thing. And seeing
these tremendous athletes put these posts out and share it
with the world that they're expecting or they're they're having children.
I just it. Every time I see him, I'm just like,
this is this is so fun. I love seeing every

(23:02):
post that they put out. And congratulations to the bandolos.
We're so excited to meet your little one when it's time.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
All right, Okay, final topic, Okay, before we go, I
saw the coolest thing on Instagram. It was so cool.
Former rain keeper Fallon Tallest Joyce posted or was they
did an article about this or something. She's also a
marine biologist and deep sea diver, because of course she.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Is, because of course somebody on the rain is amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Rain keeper who you know all of the records that
Claudia Dickie is in the process of breakings, they're all
fallons and she's a deep sea diver and marine biologist
as well.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I was not aware of this. This is amazing news.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Like, are you kidding me? How do you have time?
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I'm a little bit speechless right now. This is how
do you have time? And how are you this smart?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's what she got her a degree or like college
degree is in marine biology.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean another another nature and animal lover I mean,
this is this is just the way it is. I
I think I need to stop being so surprised when
everybody does such amazing things and has so many talents.
I mean, it goes well beyond the field, which is
another fun fact about this organization. And I think that
this is also a product of the fact that people's

(24:39):
people's gifts are celebrated here and yes, and so people
can do multiple things and they can do them well.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And they're not seen as distractions, like they're not.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
They don't have to be distractions.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
They don't have to be distractions.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, your family doesn't have to be a distraction, You're
the fact that you're a marine biologist doesn't have to
be a distraction.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
They can be they can be lot of they can
be celebrated, and frankly, I think definitely us and then
the Rain fan base just of course they want to
know that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
This is like when you're in elementary school and you
have to, you know, draw yourself and be like what
are you going to be when you grow up and
you're six and you're like, I'm gonna be a professional
soccer player and a marine biologist.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
From the entire Rain roster did everything.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
A teacher, just like, yeah, sure, honey, of course you will.
You're totally gonna do that. And then she actually did it.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, of course you're going to be a professional soccer
player and a marine biologist. Of course you are.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And then you know, the six seven year old girl
from the nineties dream was to be a professional soccer
player and either a marine biologist or like a palaeontologist.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
That was all of our dreams.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And she did it, and she did it.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
She's doing it, she's doing it, doing it, So I congratulations, Fallin.
I'm going to be your newest Instagram follower because I
need to see all of this. So cool and so
cool that the rain are playing Orlando this weekend. Check
it out. It's going to be a massive, massive game,
and it, you know, decides whether we have a whole

(26:04):
playoff game, which I know we all want. I know
that we all want that. We want that so bad.
And then the day after Sounders playoffs and yeah, so
really really, really good. It's always a good time to
be a soccer fan in Seattle. Right now is the
best time of the year to be there. All the sports,
really sports, all the Seattle sports Krack and might catch

(26:26):
up at some point.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, I mean, go get there together.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
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