2023-24 Ep 2: Shohei Update, Double-up Trade Ideas, What to do about 2B.

In the second episode of the 2023-24 offseason, Chuck Powell and Anders Hirst break down the update we got about which places Shohei Ohtani is rumored to prefer, Chuck gives us some trade ideas where the Mariners could be getting 2 major league players, they try to solve the riddle of the Mariners 2B position, and much more. (Please excuse the Audio hiccup from 2:03 to 3:34).

Episode Transcript

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Stove. What a kind of nameis that. Yes, welcome to another
episode of Stove, our second ofthe off season. All what a magical
time of the year. My nameis Chuck Owl. Yes, once again
a Mariner's off season podcast for youthis year, doing it a little differently.

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As we told you last week,Bucky Jacobson will be joining us in
a star studded capacity. Yeah,not on a weekly basis. Therefore,
I needed a new partner in crime. His name is Anders Hurst and it's
Anders and I with you here forthis special episode of Stove. Yeah,

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first show rave reviews. Really yep, I'm surprised, you know. I
was a little skeptical going into ithow I would be received with the Chuck
and Buck audience. But I'm happythat you know your listeners a good time
with listening for thank you. Thatwas one of the comments. Wow.
So yeah, so in different format, and yet we got young Andrews with

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a little different perspective on baseball andhow he feels the Mariners should be built
and and of course I have alwaysa bizarre perspective on everything. And so
here we are for episode two.And Andrews guides us. Uh and that's
the way the new stove works,So let's go. Let's get it started,

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all right. We did get anupdate on mister Sho Hao Tani two
days ago. I didn't know whoactually reported this. I should probably know
that. Let me find this out. Jeff Passon, that's right, okay
of ESPN. Yeah, says thatShoeo Tony has expressed affinity towards Dodgers,
Red Sox and the Rangers. Yeahso yeah again. Yeah, another big

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free agent sign and going to Texasafter they win the World Series, getting
two of the biggest ones in thelast two years. There's what's your initial
reaction to that report? Well,I just I do believe he's going to
go where he feels most comfortable.It's a combination of most comfortable where I

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can win. Yeah. So,obviously the Rangers get your attention near the
World champions I don't know if theRed Sox seemed to be on the verge
of winning. Uh. They seemI think a few pieces away. And
and the Dodgers obviously are the bestorganization in the sport, uh, in

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terms of you know where they're atright now, what they're built like for
the future, and the history ofknowing what they're doing. So, I
mean, I still think that theDodgers are the heavy favorites, but you
know, you gotta be it soundslike in contention already. And then from
that standpoint, I do believe.And we talked about this little bit last

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week. It's whoever is going toplay ball with him? Like one of
the things that I heard about shoeyOtani that he once done is he does
not want to miss any game.Yeah, he likes to go to a
play And so you go to Boston. You can get some rain outs there,
bud Yeah, No, that's Boston, Massachusetts. That's the Northeast.

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Maybe you've heard of the spring becausethey're gonna they're gonna get a little weather
there in Boston. They don't havea roof. So it's about his you
know, his rituals. Each yourrow was all about his method, and
he didn't everything was on a clock. So they don't want to be disrupted,

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especially when you were playing two positionsin the future. Yeah, and
you kind of have to kind ofespecially in someone in his situation, you
have to have that routine that allowsyou to do that right. So I
can totally understand why that would bea factor. I'm pretty surprised, honestly.
I obviously not the Dodgers. Mostpeople think that's the odds on favorite
to where he's gonna land. Butthe Rangers, Yeah, I could see

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what you mean by the former WorldSeries champions, and they've proven that,
you know, they're gonna shell itout for big name pre agents, so
that makes a little bit of sense. Like you said, the Red Sox
really surprised me. I didn't thinkhe was bound on going to the East
Coast. They're not in some sortof like situation where they're like, oh,

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this is an up and coming team. It kind of seems like it's
on the down side a little bitto me, at least. I don't
know. I was pretty surprised bythat. But they've always do you think
people are just guessing? Yeah,I don't think Jeff Passon knows. You
don't think he knows. I don'tthink Bob Nightingale knows. And I mean
I saw two people this past week. Now. Anthony Castrovins is not an
insider. He's more of a commentator. Yeah, but he's got showy going

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to the Mariners. Nightingale wrote astory that said the Mariners are the favorites
who I mean. Another thing thatthey're doing his agent and he are doing
is for those wondering why Jerry couldn'tcomment, Apparently, one of the stipulations
is if we give you a meeting, you don't say anything about it,
and that is show hey, again, respect to all baseball fans out there.

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I don't want the people that Ididn't choose to feel like I thought
about them and then dismiss them.I want this to look like I would
have chosen all of you, butI can only choose one. Isn't that
kind of like, you know,I get that that's respectful, but isn't
that a little naive because like,that's what happens. That's the point of
a free agent is you get tomeet with all of them and then choose

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whichever one you want. Well,I don't think he's gonna meet with all
of them. I think he probablyhad a short list to begin with,
probably, and then from that shortly. This is why I think it's not
gonna be about money. It willbe about winning and who's gonna play ball
with him? And I don't carewhat he asks. I mean, if
you're the Mariners in show he says, Hey, here's the deal. We're
coming into town. We're only gonnabe there for forty five minutes. We're

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gonna need you to meet us underthe jungle gym at Said High School,
Roosevelt High School from three to threeforty five pm. Please pack a picnic
lunch. We would like for Jerryto wear one of those propeller hats,
you know, and make sure allthe crusts are cut off. The sandwich

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is showy. Is a big fanof M and M's, but only one
color. So you better guess thecolor, right. We're not going to
tell you and I. Whatever heasks, that's what they're going to do.
Yeah. So if it's a systemwhere you've got to set up to
make sure that he doesn't miss asingle workout, that he stays on his

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routine, I think that's going toplay a factor. That's why I don't
think Boston is a legitimate candidate.Right. That flies in the face of
that. You better be on boardwith him pitching and hitting someday. Yeah,
you better not be one of thoseteams, like, you know,
we'd really like you to just focuson I would say that, like,
that's another question I have why wouldn'tyou want him to at least try,
because even if pitching fails, it'snot like that. I maybe I'm wrong

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in this, but it doesn't seemlike that would affect his hitting ability very
much, his willingness or you know, wanting to be a two way star.
Well maybe if your thought was allright, you've already had two procedures
on your elbow. Yeah, wedon't have a lot of hope for you
as a pitcher in the future,and we don't if I'm going to shell

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out five hundred million dollars for you, I at least want you to be
available as a hitter. I don'tknow. Maybe it's that, but look,
everybody wants them, not everybody believesthat they're in it. I do
believe the Mariners are in it.I do believe they'll get one of those
secret visits. They are sworn tosecrecy. Yeah, they will let him

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pitch and hit. They have aroof to protect him if it rains.
They are in the American League,so you're gonna have very few rainouts.
When you're playing an Anaheim, TexasVegas, Houston. It looks like Houston,
So that's that should be Avente we'reon the West coast. There is

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a strong Japanese culture here in thePacific Northwest, so there are a lot
of things going for them. Yeah, but still there's no way to call
them the favorite without knowing anything.Yeah, and I still think the biggest
thing for him is to be ona wing team. Mariners definitely have proven

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in the last couple of years theyare on the cusp of being in that
conversation, Dodgers definitely knock it outof the park in that end of the
book. They're, like you saidlast episode, a perennial one hundred win
team. So that's why I thinkinevitably, also with the things you just
mentioned about being on the West coast, few rainouts, LA is a great

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spot for that large jap and he'scontention here on the West coast just for
proximity purposes. So yeah, Ithink that's where the Dodgers have the upper
hand. But like you said,you know, there could be some little
things here and there that make theMariners, uh, you know, we'll
slide right in or something you justnever know. Yeah, I mean I'd

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like to sit there like both.I'd like to just somehow figure out where
he's getting his next pedicure and thenfind my way sitting next to him,
and he doesn't have to know whatI'm up to. But I could just
spend the whole time saying, howabout those taxes out in California? Oh
man, they just just take youwhat is it forty five percent of your
salary these days? How about thattraffic? Huh? Oh, they don't

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ever want to be caught in California. No state income tax in Washington,
That's right. It makes a bigmoney difference. Have you noticed there are
a bunch of wildfires all the timein California, even though there are in
Washington too. It's not actually fromhere. It's from Canada, and it's
from California, and all the smokecomes to here with it, that's for

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sure, exactly. So you know, you never know, You just never
know. Maybe he's sick of sunshine. You know, I don't know if
the sun shines three and fifty daysa year in Japan, so I don't
think it does either. So maybehe's like, boy, I'd really like
to be in a town where alittle cloud cover there you go, Yeah,
then you know, maybe where thesweet spot. Maybe yeah, But

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he doesn't want to play in it. That's a weird situation, I know,
But and I think and I thinkwe're on the cusp and everybody can
say what they want and make theirjokes about the organization. But people in
baseball know, you know that pitchingthat young pitching staff they have is ridiculous.
That center fielder is just getting started. The pieces are at what different?

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What kind of show is and hisagent if they sat there talking about
it over you know it in thedrive through at Burger King and they're sitting
there and they're just like, whatdo you think of the Mariners? It's
like, man, imagine me onthat team. Yah, I think right,
to be fair, he could saythat with a lot of teams,
Like you could say that with theDodgers too, like, oh, imagine
me with Freddie Freeman, Mookie Bettsand a good young pitching staff as well.

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By the way, but for thosethat think, well the marriage didn't
even make the playoffs, I mean, are they a winner? Role they
are if you had showee yes?Yeah. And that's where I think I
differ a little bit, like that, the history of the Mariners doesn't suggest
that they are necessarily players. Withthe Dodgers, the Yankees, the Red
Sox of the world. But thelast couple of years, I definitely think

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And if you're like, if youhave any sort of idea with what kind
of roster the Mariners have, it'sa unbelievable young core. One of the
best in baseball, maybe the bestif you just take the young players at
important positions starting pitching, center field, throwing shortstop if you want, in
their catcher, and they just haven'tbeen able to fill in the other holes

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with you know, good major leagueplayers at this point. And I think
Joe haw TONI classifies a good majorleague player. Yeah, and I think
they know that. I think itweighs in. I don't think he's dismissing
them from the conversation either, ohwhatsoever? And so and he is one
of those guys that I think isworth the bidding war if it comes to

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that. Yeah, there are afew guys that I don't know if I
would give that treatment to. Butif you are, if you have decided
as an organization, well let's justgo all in financially, whatever it takes,
Yeah, then he's the guy todo it. Well. It's funny
that you mentioned that, because ifyou're looking at it straight from a business
perspective. I remember, I'm abig soccer fan. I mentioned that last
episode of Thing and I'll MESSI I'llmention the other goat here, Christian Ronaldo

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when he re signed with Manchester United. I think they've because he was a
little older, so they got himfor a little bit less than probably his
value was for. They made upthe transfer fee which was like forty million
dollars or something like that, intwenty four hours just on Jersey sales.
It was insane and that and that'sI think a similar effect that Showhay will

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have here you will have wherever hegoes exactly or yeah, exactly. So
I I think there really can't betoo high of a price, at least
conceivable for me to where it isn'tworth it in the end, whether it's
you know, Jersey sales, moreJapanese fans come into games, just the

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overall coverage and exposure of your team. It's it would explode just by having
that player on your team. SoI think it's definitely worth it, not
even from a winning perspective, justfrom a business perspective. Agree, and
I think that I think that Ithink John recognizes he's not stupid. No,
I know he's made all his moneyfor a good reason, Okay,

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And I think that he recognizes that, and uh and so yeah, I
think that financials and I also thinkthat he's so this isn't about greed with
him. That's why it's not goingto go to the highest bidder. And
I think that there will be anelement of, hey, agent, we
can't take the most because I ifit's about winning, I want to.

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I don't want the ownership group tosay, hey, I'm just tapped out
financially, you know. I wantto be able to afford other people to
add to the roster. So it'sgonna be a giant figure. And I
think it's it's he's the guy thatyou just go there when you find out
the price, you just go therebecause I don't think he's going to try

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to stick it to you. Idon't think that he's going to the team.
I think he's gonna it's not goingto be an auction. The show
a auction, and I'm just gonnago to whoever bids the highest. I
don't think that's him. It isif you're a Scott Boris client. But
it's not show Ao Tani, andso we'll see what unfolds. I think.
I think we're gonna know uh inabout two to three weeks yep,

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and then let the let the stoveheat up there you go. I think
it definitely will at that point.If he does miraculously come to play for
the Seattle Mariners, he probably willbe playing a different division rival. Then
I guess it's the same team butin a different location than a lot of
other teams have been playing recently.As the Just yesterday, I believe the

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Oakland A's are now going to bethe Las Vegas A's and that was approved
by the MLB owners. Initial thoughtson the move to Vegas. What's the
timeline on that? I didn't getthe full story. Well, the stadium's
not gonna be ready till twenty twentyeight, okay, but it looks like
they're going to move immediately, likenext year. Yeah. Wow, Well

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you can't stay in Oakland. Irealize that's an option because there's still they
still have the lease yeah on thestadium. Yeah, but I have a
feeling violence might occur, you think, so that's not just not cool?
No, So I defend Major Leaguebaseball on the I feel sad for the
A's fans. Everybody should, andI do think they're really good fans.

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And when that thing's cooking, man, that's a great atmosphere. It's one
of the great atmosphere in sports.But baseball can't be, you know,
treated any differently than the other bigleagues. The NBA left, the NFL
left, and yet people are angrywith baseball that how could they rip baseball

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out of Oakland. I'll tell youwhy. Because the city's poor. They
can't support it, and not everyowner is willing to pick up the entire
paycheck for what it's going to cost, the entire bill for what it's cost
to build a new state of theart facility, And obviously Oakland does not

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have one in Fisher, and sohe wants to leave. He's not the
first guy that's ever done this.I have no idea. I have no
doubt. He's a class a jerk. Really, I mean, I don't
know. But if you told me, I say, yeah, I get
that just from the you know,stories around it recently. Yeah, I'm
not I'm not defending him from thatstandpoint. I'm not defending him at all.

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But I am going to defend baseball. They gave them twenty years to
get their act together. They havea stadium that has been needed to be
moved on from for two decades.Yeah, and they couldn't get their act
together. How much longer is baseballsupposed to wait? Mark Davis decided in

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one off season. You know,the Warriors were packing in the facility all
every game, they were getting tosell out, and they still moved Yeah,
just across the Bay, but yes, still yeah, to San Francisco.
It's their rival. Yeah, Okay, And so I don't, I
don't, I don't. I'm notgoing to blame baseball on this. I

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think it's good for the sport.I'm tired of watching games there. I'm
tired of hearing about how awful itis to play there. Yeah. I
don't think a Major League baseball playershould be exposed to that kind of an
environment. And even though it's goingto be really weird, figure out where
they're going to play for the nextfour years. As somebody that lived in

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Las Vegas for seven years, somethingreally sexy about walking down the strip and
like, oh my gosh, whobuilt a ballpark here? Yeah? Right,
and just walking in and going toa baseball game that sounds like a
lot of fun to me. Thatwould be really cool. Yeah, I've
heard the outcry from the shall wesay, old school baseball fans that grew
up with the Oakland A's and theseventies and eighties and early two thousands and

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such that were, you know,perennial contenders for a long time, the
Jose Canseco, the Ricky Henderson's ofthe world. And I get, like
you said that their fans seem likethey're a real, real group of sports
fans that embrace their team and supportthe team when they're good. I it's
hard for me, like you said, to watch what's happened recently and think

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they should stay there. Just froma fan perspective, I get that there's
a lot of greasy work going onbehind the scenes to make sure that they
don't stay there, if that makessense. But I can't blame them on
the other side of that either,because it's just a terrible environment. And
Yeah, what I have liked tosee I would have rather have Fisher shell

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out the money and build a newstadium, like a lot of other idea.
Yeah, and that would be myfirst scenario but he was never going
to do that. You saw howhe's run the team the last twenty years.
It's it's crazy. It's there areso many ridiculously wealthy people. I
don't ever want to see another fanget taxed for building a stadium. Yeah,

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but we're still not there. Andbaseball is not the only league that
has owners that ask for no publicfunding. Absolutely not, And so he
did. He was demanding it.He didn't get it. He was never
going to get it, and hewas never going to pay for everything.
He just wasn't going to do it. And so he owns the team,

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he has the right to move them. And I think that a future with
the Las Vegas A's on the strip, Yeah, let's give it a shot.
I don't worry about Las Vegas expandingtoo quickly. I don't know if
they can support all four major franchises, which it looks like they're going to
have here in the next five years. I do worry a little bit about

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that, And it's going to bestrange for the next four years figuring out
where they're going to play. Yeah, but as long as they keep the
uniform colors, don't mess with that. Yeah, that's the way we get
to keep the A's. It isreally cool. I love the black,
the green, and yellow, itis the white shoes. I want all
of that to stay, and Iwant all I want A's tradition to be

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preserved. Yeah, it's outstanding,and that's the one thing I'm kind of
worried about that when it goes toI guess they're gonna try and like spruce
it up like they like. Idon't know. The first major team to
move there was the Knights, andeveryone embraced that, the hockey team,
and obviously they've been really successful recentlywinning at Stanley Cup and then in their
first year going to the final.So it's it's pretty nuts how how fast

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everything has moved towards the Las Vegasscene with sports and everything. I wonder
whether they that kind of area hasthe true baseball fan or whether it's just
gonna be a you know, hey, we'll have forty percent of the opposing
fans that want to travel to Vegascome and watch the games, and that's

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how you get your ticket revenue.I'm not sure. I don't know how
that's all gonna work out. SoI live there, don't I don't know
either, I'll tell you this,there are a lot more people now,
yeah, that grew up in Vegasand our Vegas fans where when I lived
there, pretty much you would walkdown the street and oh, there's a
Red Sox fan. Yeah, there'sa Yankee fan, and then there's a
cub fan. Yeah. And sothere weren't a lot of people that like

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grew up rooting for Las Vegas.But I do believe that the hockey thing
proves that there are a lot more, you know, the way that the
city has expanded, there are alot more people there that, you know,
want this, want a local team. I don't want to keep rooting
for the Red Sox. I don'tlive in I haven't lived in Boston since
I was twelve. You know,you're gonna have a lot more of that

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that's going to take place going forward. So I hope it works. There's
no way it can be as badas what we've seen the last two years
in Oakland, and frankly for thenext four years since they're in our division.
It's kind of nice to have ateam you can kick around every time
you play that that and if youever want to travel away to a game,
it's probably better to go. Iguess that it is to Oakland.

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So, like I said, froma fan perspective, it's a From a
Mariners fan perspective, it's a it'sa win, I think, because it
can only be good things for It'sa win for baseball, it really is.
It's a win. But it's aloss for Oakland, and I'm sorry,
I wish this wasn't the case,but obviously it's an Oakland problem.
Yeah. When you lose all threemajor franchises in the span of seven years,

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yeah, there's it's an Oakland problem. Yeah. I agree. Well,
let's let's transition a little bit toour Seattle Mariners. We kind of
did a overarching MLB update with everythingthat's been going on, but the stove
is still hot for Los Mary Narrows, so let's let's let's break it down
a little bit. We had oneof the most recent off season additions that

(23:34):
I think most fans were pretty happywith when it originally happened, and it
turned out to be good in adifferent way when the Mariners traded for Jesse
Winker and au Hideosuarez in the offseason prior to the twenty twenty two season.

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I think that kind of shapes whatJerry likes to do a little bit,
kind of go get a couple piecesthat you can you know, you
can afford, you don't necessarily haveto go and you know, shell out
for every free agent, like youknow we talked about with Show. Hey,
that's going to be an option obviously, but I think that that's kind

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of going to be the path toupgrade this team. Do you see something
like that available to the to theMariners this offseason where they can maybe go
get a couple guys in a tradeand what would that look like kind of
not necessarily trade for a superstar,but more get like two good major league
players'll double up trade. Yeah,exactly, they'll double up trade exactly.

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Yeah. I actually was putting togethera few things along these these lines.
You know, I think will beinvolved in free agency, not nearly as
heavily involved as what people hope for. I think that the big bat probably
is going to have to come thebig move, and I'm not saying these

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are necessarily the big moves. It'sprobably going to have to come through a
trade. But I think we're morethan one bat short, especially after saying
goodbye to ta Oscar and even thoughWinker didn't work out, Boy, you
think back on that, had itworked out, Oh my gosh, I
mean, it was like the idealsolution. Yes, you know, somebody
that that off season MLB network saidis the best linebacker, linebacker, left

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fielder, the best left fielder inbaseball, in baseball, the Shredder,
that little countdown thing they do atthe beginning of the year, and it's
all analytics based. I mean,it's not dead on, but it's it's
entertaining. What happened to him,Man, I don't know, but imagine
had he been had he continued that, I know, I mean, now

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you do have a solution. Andthen Gino is just the gravy that you
got exactly on top of the biscuit. And the biscuit, though, was
stale and discussed, and Milwaukee foundout had Worm's coming out of it this
year, and so that idea topossibly reach out to a couple of organizations,

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dangle some of your pitching. I'mnot even going to throw in what
it would take. I just wantto just entertain a couple of thoughts here.
Minnesota, Okay, all right,So Minnesota, just that they've already
said we're cutting payroll, and yetthey gave club options to two players,
Max Kepler and Jorge Polonko, botharound ten million dollars. So we're cutting

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payroll, but we feel that thoseguys we got to give ten million dollars
each to. So what does thattell you? We're signing them to trade
them, to trade them, Sowhy not get both of them? No,
Polanka we talked about last week.Switch hitting second baseman. I mean,
he's a professional hitter, not greatdefensively. I can live with that

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if I can bring if I cankeep him healthy, which has been another
issue with him. If I cankeep him healthy, I mean, this
guy can hit from both sides ofthe plate and it's got a little bit
of power too. Yeah, notjust like scrappy second baseman lofting soft liners
over the infield. Yeah yeah.And then Kepler is somebody that had a
nice little bounce back year for them, Big Athletic. We talked about it

(27:29):
last week. I don't know whyJerry keeps saying he wants a he needs
right handed hitters, because to Andersand I, it's like it feels like
the hole is on the left sideof the plate there. Bud, Yes,
and that's what Max Kepler would satisfy. Uh. He can run,
he can hit, he's got power, and and so you reach out to
the Minnesota Twins who are looking toshed payroll. Now, granted they're both

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guys on one year deals, butthat also means you don't have to give
up a Brian wu exactly or BryceMiller. And if they don't work,
it's not the end of the world. You only have him for a year.
Yeah, they don't work out,But imagine being able to add two
pieces like that at once, notgreat, but two solid pieces. I
think that goes a long way tohelping this offense. Yeah, I love

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that idea. I've always been abig fan of Polongo. I think we've
talked about it a couple of times. He always just takes good at bats.
It seems like he has a goodlevel head on his shoulders, and
he came up big for the Twinsa couple of times during their Alds run
this year. So I'd love tosee that. I think that's a very

(28:37):
realistic idea. I just don't knowif the Mariner's front office is set on
a second basement at this point intime, which we can get to in
just a second. It seems likethey like Rojas. Maybe, like we
talked about last episode, they movehim to third and then get a second
basement, but it seems like theywant him to be a part of this

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team at least in this short term. But I personally I love that idea.
Kepler I think is an underrated onefor sure, because like you said,
left handed bapp but it also canhit lefties too, so you don't
have to platoon him going have tono, and he's a good defender and
just he's had a he had areally good year last year, so we
could capitalize on that. Pretty twopretty young guys as well, I think.

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Let's see, Jorge Polanco is justturned thirty, so he's not incredibly
young, uh and Max Keppler alsojust turned thirty, so probably you know,
but like you said, I mean, if they show signs of age,
you don't keep them. But we'retrying to keep down the cost of
the prospects. That if you're tryingto keep down the cost of the prospects

(29:42):
that you're going to give out,you can add two bats to the lineup
for one off season. And thisis an organization that I do believe is
perfectly willing to add to payroll,just not a ton. Yeah, and
so these are two ten million theplayers that you just added to the lineup,

(30:02):
and you hit him fifth and hithim sixth, and there you go.
That seems to solve a little bitof an issue. Okay, I'll
give you another one. Saint LouisCardinals. They're pitching starved. We've got
some pitching to trade, both youngand veteran. How about and and Jerry
loves himself, the former proSP topprospect that they couldn't make work, but

(30:26):
will make him more. Well,we'll get him to JP Crawford, you
know, Dylan Carlson and Brandon Donovanof the Saint Louis Cardinals. So now
you've got a left handed carl outfielder, hitting outfielder whose Gold Glove caliber.
You can move them to the cornersif you would like. He hasn't hit

(30:48):
so far in his major league career. But we're talking about somebody that was
considered a top five prospect in thesport a couple of years ago. I
mean, Saint Louis Cardinal fans arestunned that he hasn't hit. They were
sure not only was he going tohit. He's going to be like a
number three hitter for us. Itjust hasn't worked out. Maybe you send
him to another organization a little bitof different message, and now you've got

(31:08):
a young player, cheap player,no switch hitter by the way, Yeah,
switch hitter, tremendous defender yep.And so Carlson and Donovan is that
very versatile? I mean, theCardinals have put together a slow pitch softball
team. Everybody looks the same.They all have a beer gut, and
they have long hair and they can'trun. Yeah, Donovan is looks like

(31:33):
them, but a little different player. He's not the power hitter that some
of the other pieces that they puttogether in the organization. But he is
versatile, and he is somebody thatthe Cardinals do not want to get rid
of. They love this. Yeah, Cardinal fans love their scrappy, versatile
players. It goes all the wayback to jose A Kendo. You don't

(31:55):
recognize that name. I don't blameyou, just trust me. But that
again, this isn't this isn't likebig time, This isn't our big move
of the offseason. But to addtwo offensive pieces at once without having to
give up too much in trade compensation. This would cost you more than the
other one. Yeah, because ofhow much club control of those two younger

(32:19):
guys for you. This might bea woo, this might be a Bryce
Miller to flip them, but youget two young pieces that can contribute right
away, and one of them hastremendous upside. Okay, I like that.
You like the Germans this episode MaxKepler and Brendan Donovan was born in
Germany? Is that right? Yeah? I didn't even mean to do that
anyways. No, it's all good. I like it. Boy, you're

(32:40):
gonna love my Stepfie Graft trade somehow. There we go. Okay, I
didn't know we were changing sports thatquickly, but AnyWho, Yeah, I
like this trade. I honestly hadnot heard of Brendan Donovan before I tried
and followed baseball as closely as possible, But I have heard of Dylan Carl's
and definitely like the guy that youknow is supposed to pop and he's still

(33:04):
twenty five, so he has hehas some time to develop as well.
So kind of feels like a JaredKelnick situation, like, come on,
we expect you to hit now soand you're good he's there Jared Kelvinck.
Yeah, exactly, So I'd beall for that, I think. And
maybe it is for Kellnick. Maybeit's kell Nick for Carlson and Donovan.
So get a new environment for Kelnick, get a new environment for Carlson.

(33:24):
Add another piece in that equation,you know, maybe you're not giving up
your picture. Maybe you're holding thatfor the bigger piece. Yeah, that
we would like to see happen.I like that. And and the car
and maybe Suarez is the trade forPolanco and Kepler. That's there you go,
because then you have a position tophil if they are married to Rojas
at this point in time. Doyou have one more? One more?

(33:45):
All right, let's do it.Uh, one more? This is with
Tampa, who they love to trade. Well, oh and Tampa loves the
trade, uh, Manny Margo.So it gives you just a versatile,
good hitter. You know, hecan play, he puts the ball in
play, he's got and he candefend all three outfield positions. Nothing special.

(34:05):
Again, not every trade is fornot every deal is for show a
Otani here, yeah, Manny Marco, but I'm gonna go ahead, even
though we've got the pitching. Iwant Tyler Glassnew for a year. There
you go, Okay, I wonhim at twenty five million dollars for one
year. Do you know that therehave been four years in a row that

(34:27):
a guy and his free agent yearhas won the cy Young. Oh yeah,
so there's something about that motivation.I mean, he's coming off another
major injury, but he was brilliant. La. You're down the stretch.
What's that, Blake Snell? I'mthinking of the four? Oh foreigner,
you're trying to name the four BlakeSnell who was last year's Uh well,
Robbie raised one of the two theyear before that. Yes, I don't

(34:51):
know the I don't know the exactlist, but I just read this this
morning. Okay, So here's ifthis trend's going to continue. This is
the guy that's going to be afree agent. So again lowers the price
because you only get him for oneyear, but also gives you a year
to potentially re sign him. Yeah. He is nasty. Yeah, and
I think with a full season hemight win the Cy Young Award. And

(35:13):
so even though I'm not in themarket for pitching right now, if I'm
gonna go talk to the Tampa BayRays, and I gonn add a glass
now and Amargo, and now Ican take Now I've got a surplus of
starting pitching, and now I haveno qualms with flipping Miller or Wu,
even Hancock, particularly Hancock. Idon't have any problem doing that right now.

(35:36):
And now I get my hitter.That's how I get my stud hitter
by moving one of those guys.Yeah, so I don't know, just
a feel like double up trade possibilitiesout there. You mentioned that, and
it kind of just came to menow, and a lot of people have
talked about trading away pitchers because wehave such a depth of that at this
point, Marco coming back, RobbieRay in the middle of the year next

(35:59):
year hopefully is on schedule to comeback and be good to go. So
that leaves like we just mentioned Hancock, Wu and Miller. How if you
were a another team looking to tradefor Mariner's pitching, how would you rate
those three pitchers in terms of value? And which one do you think would

(36:19):
be the most sought after from otherteams? I'm curious, so Miller,
Wu, Hancock, Yeah, that'swhat I'm ranking here, I think because
you got a little taste of Okay, they're already effective against major leaguers.
I'm putting Hancock third third, Okay, Okay, so Hancock's third on my
list. I like Wu better thanMiller, and I like I like them

(36:40):
both. I like all three,I do two. I like Wu better
than but because of Wu's injury history, I think that in terms of trade
value, Miller's the highest of thosethree. Okay, so from trade value,
Miller, Wu, Hancock. Butthat works beautifully for me because I
do feel we're gonna need to tradeone of those three guys, maybe two

(37:00):
of them this offseason. And soI if I like WU better but Miller's
got the better trade value, yeah, then I'm moving Miller to bring in
something special. I think. Ifeel basically the same way. I'm a
little more bullish on Hancock. Ithink the couple outings that we saw of
him, he looked really good.Looks like he misses bats alot. Maybe

(37:23):
not as the strikeout dominant pitcher aswe see from Bryce Miller, but I
think he definitely has a major leaguepitcher middle of the rotation. I agree
with that. So I like allthree of them, Like I said,
but I mean the way Miller jumpedout in the league. Yeah, I
mean fatigue caught up to him,definitely. I want to see what he

(37:43):
does is next year. But Wuwas inconsistent, which we can forget from
somebody that's facing major leagu getting forthe first time, throwing more innings than
he's ever thrown before. But man, when he was on, yeah,
I mean he was special. Yes, So I mean it's a it's unfortunately

(38:05):
I think this is the way thatwe're going to get that impact bat that
we need. I would love forit to be just as simple as show
eight. Give them the money.Yeah, we don't need We don't need
it any more. We got showing. Yeah, But I think we have
to get an impact bat this offseason, and if we can't get it through
free agency, then the only wayto get it is by moving young pitching.
Yeah, for a piece. Imean I'm resigned to that as well.

(38:27):
As much as I'd like to notgive up something to get something back,
meaning signing a free agent instead ofhaving to trade for offense, it's
unlikely that that will happen at thispoint. A lot of the reason is
because I don't think hitters want tocome here. If they had a choice,
So don't give them a choice tradewith the other team, that's right,
Yeah, well, that's that's right. I mean, that's the beautiful

(38:50):
This is why we brought up tattooslast week. That's the beautiful thing about
you know, a potential Tattis tradeis that we don't have to get in
a video. The salary is locked, and there is value to that for
a team that struggles to attract andlure free agents and to be able to
bring in somebody that kind of hastwo phases to his contract, several years

(39:13):
of you know, between eleven andtwenty five million dollars and then several years
of thirty five and more. Ifeven if you just use him for the
five years where you like the salary, then he's still thirty years old,
then you flip him to the Yankeesof the Mets or a team like that

(39:35):
that that is more willing to paythe thirty five million yep, which maybe
at that time is going to feellike a financial bargain depending on where salaries
go. That's the other thing Ithink gets overlooked a lot is that because
of how fast everyone knows about inflationin today's market, anyway. But we're
not some economical show. But itgoes to show how much, you know,

(39:59):
the thirty million dollar player in baseballhas become more normalized. It's not
just like, oh, the bestplayer in the world is only at thirty
million dollars. There's like, Ithink ten of them now or something like
that. So it's going to keepgetting more and more and more, especially
with the show. Hey signing,that's going to be another huge domino to
fall. Yeah, like you said, I think thirty thirty five million dollars

(40:20):
in five or six years from nowis going to feel like way less than
it is now. So yeah,that's something that that's always something to think
about when you're talking about these freeagents. Let's move to a different kind
of area here with the Mariners.We talked about a little bit last episode
about kind of doing a breakdown ofpositions. I think we should start with

(40:43):
probably the most contentious position among fansat this point in time. You could
say DH but me personally, it'ssecond base. I think we need to
talk a little bit about what theMariners see, what the outlook could be.
Theoretically we'll want to sign a Jorgepolong Go or make a trade for
another player, but as of rightnow, it's Rojas slash Dylan Moore slash

(41:07):
Cavalero. So I mean, notideal, But how do you see the
second base position unfolding? And what'swhat's kind of a range of scenarios best
case A okay, that's fine,A not great scenario for you. Well,
I'll try to be delicate with this. I hate the second base situation.

(41:28):
That's very delicate for the for theMariners. This. Uh, I
don't like Rojas, and it'll it'sone man's opinion, right if he,
by chance hears this. Sorry gosh, but I just don't. I didn't
like the move at the time,and then I don't didn't like what I
saw. And yeah, he contributed. He contributed to some victories along the

(41:52):
way, but I think he contributeda lot more to losses. Okay.
I don't think he's a good defender. I don't know if he's a terrific
base runner. Yeah, I thinkhe does have more power than what he
was showing in Arizona, but hehad zero home runs and a team that
was in the playoff race decided totrade him, to trade him, yeah,

(42:15):
to try to get something that couldactually help them, and we did
the opposite. So I'm not afan. Of course, you're talking to
somebody that thought that the Colton Wongtrade was a solid one, not a
great one, maybe not even agood one. But I thought at the
time, Hey, that's a threeand a half war second baseman who's got

(42:37):
world championship experience. Yeah, that'san upgrade over Adam Fraser. Your damn
straight, it is, and itwasn't, So take it for what it's
worth, right. I don't likethe second base I don't like the situation.
I think we have way, waytoo many utility infielders. And I
do love this. I do lovethe utility infielder, especially the super utility

(42:58):
guy like Dylan Moore. But youonly need one of them, two of
them. May we've got four,Okay. So you know, if I
do believe as you said earlier inthe podcast, I think we're married to
Rojas one way or the other.He's part of this team's future, with

(43:21):
Ryan Bliss maybe being the real piecein that Seawall trade, Yes, that
might be. I mean, hestarred in the Arizona fall leg put up
ridiculous numbers. He's not quite readyyet, But that might be the piece
we actually like the most out ofthis seawall deal. And maybe we'll still

(43:42):
celebrate the seawall deal someday. It'sjust a long way away, I think.
But I'm not doing I don't thinkI'm gonna do it through Rojas.
But I think realistically the season startswith ROAs and then one of those utility
guys. Okay, that's going tobe the oppice at one, and we
better not start next year with allfour of those guys on the roster.

(44:05):
And by the way, other teamslike utility guys too. There's some value.
There's some trade value for Dylan Mooreout there, there's some trade value
for young Jose Cabiero out there,So just don't keep them all. And
then I do like your point thatyou made last week and again this week
about possibly third base. If theswar Az trade rumors are potentially real and
they're really that serious about cutting downon the strikeouts, then maybe it's a

(44:30):
third base for Rojas, his morenatural position. And that's the upside to
that is I think the second basemarket is so trade market particularly is so
much richer Polonko. We mentioned inthis broadcast. Ye, Brandon Lao might

(44:52):
be available from Tampa. Jonathan Indiais definitely available. Even Tim Anderson for
Cincinnati. Tim Anderson is somebody thatyou know, I'd like to roll the
dice on. Yeah, I wouldtoo. Why not? So? I
think there are a lot of reallyinteresting second base, a lot more interesting
second base options out there. Ieven mentioned Brendon Donovan earlier that can play

(45:13):
second base. Definitely, I thinkthere are more than there are at third
base. I certainly don't want tooverspend on Matt Chapman. Yeah, I
just don't think he's an offensive player. Yeah. After looking deeper into that,
I've come to your side of thingswith Matt Chapman. I was pretty
high on him going into the lastepisode, but you know that was kind
of just on his name and howmuch he killed the Marriagers and he was
on the athletics. I was like, oh, he's a great player,

(45:35):
you know well, and he waskilling us last year with the Blue Jays
because he had a great first halfand then a nothing second half. I
mean, he's going to bring greatdefense, But there's no way that I'm
spending twenty five million dollars on acorner infielder that can't hit, and I
don't think he can hit. No, I think he's just an average offensive
player and a super defensive player.Yeah, well, I agree with you

(45:58):
on the second base position. Ithink you know, ideally, you make
a trade and make something happen there, whether it is for a second basement,
and then you probably move Rojas over. Maybe you put a Heno Suarez
in one of the trade packages fora second basement, so you kind of
give something but get something back inthe same way. I don't know.
I personally would rather keep a Henhoand then, like you said, trade

(46:22):
Rojas, But you know, itis what it is. Like you said,
I think they wouldn't have traded forhim if they didn't like him.
And Jerry even said himself when thetrade happened for Seawald that he had to
be in it. Yeah, Rojaswas his guy, So I think they're
gonna give him another chance this year. Wouldn't the ideal thing be to keep
Gino, get one of these secondbasement we're talking about, and now Rojas

(46:44):
becomes one of your utty guys completelyagree along with and you can choose which
one you like. I personally likeDylan, the most of those guys.
Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. And then and then I think there's
trade. As I said, Ithink there's a little bit of trade value
for Kabier and I don't. Ithink there's some trade value for Agrity out

(47:04):
there as well. And so thosetwo guys you either package together in a
deal to get somebody. I don'tthink you're gonna straight up get anybody that
spectacular, but slide them into adeal, especially with Cabierro having so much
club control going forward, I thinkideally that's what I would like to see
if Rojas is going to be onthe roster. I agree with you.

(47:25):
I think that's the best case scenario. I just know this, we need
another infielder, whether it's third base, especially if you trade a Heno,
you absolutely need another infielder. Wecan't run out the same group that we
had this past year because it wasbesides JP, it was pretty well.
When the Colton Wong thing went sideways, I mean it just went, it

(47:45):
just went sideways. And then,yeah, as you said, Tie underperformed
greatly this year, and then Ginounderperformed as well. So yeah, you're
right. I just want to mentionone other thing where you move on,
because a listener had asked me tojust touch upon this in the podcast,
I had mentioned that I think HarryFord is eventually going to be moved to

(48:06):
second base. Really that's not beenthe case so far though. They have
been pretty devoted to him being acatcher. Even if they were to move
him to second base, it doesn'tsound like that's going to be an option
this year. Yes, but ifyou're if you're I think this all depends
on Cal Raleigh. And of coursewe all want Raley locked up. They

(48:30):
even want Raley locked up. Butthis is a Boris client, and if
they get the impression that Cal's notgonna stay here, Boris isn't gonna let
him, then maybe that's the reasonwhy they're so determined to keep harry Ford
at catcher, and so you knowthey can't coexist. I mean, I

(48:52):
want how long do you want Calto be here? Oh? I want
him here till any of his career. But I think you're right that ten
year? Can we say years behindthe plate? Ten plus? Yeah,
Well, Harry Ford's going to behere before two thousand and yeah, thirty
four? Yeah, all right,I'd probably be here before at the start
of next year. To be honest, right, I agree. Yeah,

(49:12):
So you either are keeping him atcatcher because you're worried about col not staying,
or or you're making a mistake bynot getting him to second base so
that by twenty twenty four in springtraining he can win the second base job.
Yeah, or twenty twenty five.Yeah, twenty twenty five. I

(49:35):
hadn't thought of Harry Ford as aninfielder for me personally, I think it's
just a Craigbigo or Hey pasodic playalmost anywhere, natural transition kind of thing.
Pasada was a second baseman who movedto ketch. Yes, Bgo is
a catcher who moved to second base. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I hadn't thought about that.I knew he was an athletic catcher
who could run, who could hitgood at defending his position. I don't

(50:00):
think he's played any second base inthe minor league level. Has he?
I don't think he has either,but he absolutely profile sport, you know,
low to the ground, tremendous balance, great lateral movement, speed and
if he's as good a hit heras what we're hearing to be able to
preserve his knees for a longer career. That sounds inviting to me, So

(50:22):
I'd actually like to see that.I mean, you just want to ask
me for my opinion. I wantCal here for his entire career, and
I want to start making the transitionof Harry Ford to second base, and
I want him both in the lineupon opening Day in twenty twenty five.
Okay, I'm with you on that. I'm bullish on Harry Ford too.
I cannot wait to see him onthe major league roster and see what he

(50:44):
can do, because it seems likeeverywhere he's been he's been a top guy.
I hope that's not a trade candidatefor the Mariners. That's one of
the guys that I would like tohold on to for sure. All depends
on Cal, yeah, and howmotivated they are to keeping him, and
if they aren't, maybe Cal isa trade piece. Like who knows.
I hate to think about it.I do too, but I promise you

(51:06):
that if the time comes, andit's not this year, if the time
comes that they don't see a future, then he becomes one. There's no
question, absolutely, And I thinkthat's why they're keeping Harry Ford behind the
play. Totally agree. I completelyagree with you. Let's one little wrap
up here. The awards came outyesterday. A local guy the only one
I'll mention really is a local guykind of winning the SI Young And you

(51:29):
mentioned earlier on the podcast that thelast four years have had a cy Young
Award winner in his ahead of hisfree agency, and this past year it
was Blake Snell. Can you namethe other three? I couldn't earlier.
I don't think I know raise oneof them. I don't know who the
other is. So Blake Snell intwenty twenty three justin Verlander, twenty twenty

(51:52):
two, okay, twenty twenty oneis Robbie Ray, and twenty twenty was
Trevor Bauer. Oh oh, bythe way back in the equation he is
he is? Indeed, Yeah,I don't know if i'd want him here
with all the external stuff that goesalong with him, but doing about a
billion others, Yeah, yeah,hopefully. I mean that'll be an interesting

(52:12):
story going into the season from anMLB perspective for sure. But anyways,
Blake Snell, local guy. Ilove the idea of, you know,
possibly bringing him in. What areyour thoughts on adding him to the pitching
staff, another lefty, a guythat maybe you don't think of as as
like his stuff is amazing, orlike he doesn't seem like one of the

(52:36):
top top pitchers in the game,but you exactly. So, I don't
know what are your thoughts on BlakeSnell and him possibly being in a Manor's
uniform. Well, I mean,I think I think the Mariners when they've
got a former cy Young Award winnerwho wants to play here, Yeah,
I mean that just doesn't happen.Everything it does not, so you have

(52:59):
to entertaining it. Yes, andof course that's nowhere near their priority.
No, it isn't. Heading intothe offseason that gives you more flexibility to
trade right from other positions. Butyou know, spending thirty million dollars a
year on a pitcher when you alreadyhave the best rotation in the sport,

(53:22):
arguably you're in the conversation for that. I mean, no, it doesn't
make sense, but yeah, youhave to entertain it. But it does
make sense. There's no way notto entertain it, especially if he's going
to say, hey, I wantto play there so badly, I'll take
less, I'll take a little bitless. Yeah, you have to entertain

(53:44):
it, and you're right if youdo run into the same issues with we
can't get the free agent hitter tosign here like you did this the last
two years. Rights. I mean, I remember when Robbie Ray was signed
and I thought to myself, well, that's not my objective. You know.

(54:05):
My goal was to get Marcus Simeon. Look pretty smart about that,
and then Chris Bryant. Not sucha great piece of advice back then.
Those are my two, but thatwas such a good offensive free agency year
that that's what I'm thinking. Andthen you end up with Robbie Ray and
you're like, well, that wasn'tmy goal, but yeah, you gotta
take Robbie Ray. If you gotRobbie Ray, and I think that they

(54:27):
did at the time get him ona pretty good deal. Doesn't look like
it now, but at the timeit felt like a pretty good deal.
So you have to entertain it.And if in fact you do go there,
as you mentioned, it does giveyou the opportunity, certainly now to
trade from your young pitching. Sonow you've got Castile and Snell. I

(54:51):
mean, at that stage, Andersyou even have to you that even opens
up. Okay, it's not woand Miller anymore. That opens up.
Do you trade Gilbert or Kirby,because now you're not looking at I have
to include Miller, Kelnick and somebodyelse for Lewis Robert. Now you can
say I'll give you Kirby for Robertstraight up. I mean, that's the

(55:15):
that's the potential that it gives you. I don't. I want everybody to
clear because I talked about this earlierin the week and somebody, one person
mistook it. Maybe it was onlyone, maybe it was a thousand.
I want George Kirby on my team, Oh totally. I think George Kirby
has a brighter future than Blake Snell. And I right now am paying George
Kirby Jack Squatt where I'd have topay Blake Snell twenty five to thirty million

(55:37):
dollars a year. So I reallyam not in the Blake Snell business.
I'm in the George Kirby business.But but if I can't get a hitter,
if I can't get an impact bat, and I've got a former cy
Young Award winner whose dream is toplay here and it's going to take less,
and I can't get anywhere via freeagency in bringing in an m impact

(56:00):
hitter, then it's something that youhave to consider. It's not Plan A.
Robbie Ray was not Plan A.Marcus Simon was Plan A. Somebody
else I don't remember it was atthe time, but I think it was
Chris Bryant was there. Plan B. Yeah, Robbie Ray was probably planed
C. But if Plan A andPlan B don't work, there's worse things

(56:22):
than Blake's now Plan C, andthen you take from your pitching depth,
then you absolutely can now go outand get a fierce hitter for your life.
Yeah, I'm all for it,you know, local guy. I
think it's like you said, it'ssomething you definitely have to think about,
and that just gives you so muchflexibility. And as much as I'd like
to keep Gilbert and Kirby and thoseyounger guys that like, that allows you

(56:45):
to go and make a big,big, big big trade. Whether it's
for like you said, Eluis Robert, whether it's a Fernando Tatis, you
could get that guy to add yourlineup for the next five six years pretty
much straight up. Yeah, exactly, and not have to You could do
it again. You could do itmultiple times because of how much depth you
would have if you signed him,because that would give you let's just run

(57:07):
down the whole list of starting pitchers. If you did sign Blake Snell,
that would give you Luis Castillo,Blake Snell, George Kirby, Logan,
Gilbert Robbie Ray, Marco Gonzalez,Brian wu and Bryce Miller and Emerson Hancock.
Nine starting pitchers that you would feelcomfortable with. And at that point,

(57:29):
if I heard Justin Hollander say,well you have pitching until you don't
shut up. I have nine starters. You can't use them all. You
gotta move some of your assets here. We have to have an impact hit
or this offseason. Yeah, andif you can't get it through free agency,
it's got to come through a trade. If it's going to come through
a trade, then that means you'vegot to move a starting pitcher. So

(57:51):
if you decide, all right,here's our big free agent move, it's
to bring in Snell because it's themost affordable impact player that we can find.
Yes, now that loosens it upeven further for you to trade pitching
assets to add hitters via trade,and you have to do it absolutely,
absolutely well, I think that leavesus off at a good point for this

(58:12):
episode. Yeah, let's I reallyhope the stove starts to heat up.
The Tawny signing, like we said, will be like kind of the first
domino to fall, and then everyone'sgoing to kind of react to their quick
hot take. Where do you thinkAtani goes still? Dodgers? I think
it's going to be the Dodgers.Yeah, but I do believe he'll consider
us strongly. Okay, all right, Well, let's hope that we have

(58:34):
some sort of magic sauce to kindof bring him here and it changes his
mind if he has his mind madeup as the Cubs. Yeah, I
read that this morning that the Cubsare a major player and all that everyone's
a major player for Atani at thispoint of all the speculation and everything.
But yeah, I'm with you.I think he's gonna end up with the
Dodgers. But I think there's stillso many other moves that could be made,

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and there's so many possibilities for thisteam to get better for twenty twenty
four. All right, Chuck,thank you so much for having me on.
All right, Man anders Hurst,our new lead dog on stove.
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