2025 Army Navy Show with Gregg Bell and Jessamyn McIntyre

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coming to you live from the Baltimore Convention Center and
the Army Navy Game Media Row presented by USAA in Baltimore.
This is our special Army Navy broadcast on your home
for College Football Now with jessemn McIntyre.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here's Greg Bell.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
This is my favorite show of the year, by far
Jessmon McIntyre, Greg Bell. We're at the one and twenty
sixth Army Navy Game, brought to you by USAA. We're
at the Baltimore Convention Center, right next to Oriel Park
at Camden Yards, which is right next to M and
T Stadium, the Ravens Home Stadium where we'll be tomorrow
for the Army Navy game Army six and six against

(00:45):
Navy nine to three. But the game is so much
bigger than that in records. We've got a host of
guests lined up for you. You hit from Mike Mayock, the
former Raiders general manager, former New York Giants defensive back.
We are here from Lieutenant Colonel Stephen Gillian. He's the
superintendent of the United States Military Academy. Momentarily perhaps supposed

(01:07):
to hear from John Harbaugh, coach of the Baltimore Ravens,
nobody else on radio rows getting him. Justin McIntyre lined
up John Harbaugh to talk about his military influence. He
takes the Ravens to Gettysburg for tour staff rides and
learning about the military and brotherhood. Mike McDonald, the Seahawks coach,
is a protege of Mike of John Harbaugh. And we

(01:27):
will talk live to John Harbaugh from Ravens headquarters calling
in momentarily all of that and tons more and Jessmin
I say it every year, but especially this year. In
college football and college athletics, the Army Navy game stands alone.
The players on the field tomorrow, one hundred and five
players for each team, two hundred and ten players, none

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of whom get a dollar of nil money. None its
federal law prohibits them from receiving nil funding. It's actually
real football. It's not players that are trying to seek
a payday. It's not college athletes who are trying to
find the next school they can go to, say can transfer.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's guys that.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Are here to serve their country, to serve their brothers,
to serve each other, to serve where they came from
their hometowns.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
What they stand for.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's what the Army Navy game is and when you
tune in tomorrow, that's the tableau, that's the context. That's
what you feel when you come here, and if you've
never been to one, everyone turns around here the first
time er say this, that bucket list. It truly is
a sports event unlike any other, and you feel that
when you come here. Jess, when we've talked about this,
this is your fourth time. This is my twentieth Army

(02:38):
Navy game, counting the four I had as a cadet
in the West Point class of nineteen ninety three, and
it is indeed a sports event like no other, and
you feel it when you're here.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
I felt it, you know, my first year.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
Like I've talked about all day, you know, full disclosure,
we do have a lot that we have already taped
with because people were here earlier in the day. And
that's what I kept on saying, and that is the
tenor of everyone that you'll hear from today throughout.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
The show, is that you feel it. It's an only game.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
I've been sideline reporting for fourteen seasons and I had
grew up in football. I have never never felt a
game the way I did that first time when I
went to an Army Navy in Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
They say, sing second. Here, that's the goal tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
The student athletes, the cadets, the midshipmen, and the student bodies,
the entire student bodies come here by bus. They all
go on to the field at the end of the
game to sing the alma maters, and both players from
both sides stand at attention walk to the respected ends
of the field. They stand at attention for each other's
school's alma mater, and the team that wins the game

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sings second. Everywhere I go among military academy graduates, whether
it be Army or Navy, they asked me what my
record was in my four years at West Point.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
We were two and two.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
By the way, my sophomore year we lost to zero
to ten Navy on a field goal in the meadowlands,
and as a freezing cold night, that's all talk about.
What was your record against Army? What's your record against Navy?
Lieutenant General Stephen Gillian is sitting down across from the
table from us. He's a superintendent of the United States
Military Academy. He's an annual guest on the show here
on ninety three point three k JRFM.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Sarah, as always, it's great to see you, and he.

Speaker 7 (04:16):
No, it's great seeing you. I appreciate it. Thank you, No,
thank you, it's great.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
SENI you Yeah, you too.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Jeneral Gilly is class of nineteen ninety from West Point.
He knows exactly what this game stands for. And sir,
we talk to you every year, but especially now in
college athletics, with the environment college athletics and the NIL
and all of it is how special it is to
shepherd these young men and women into this environment of
selflessness around a context of maybe it is not selfless anymore.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
Yeah, I think it's uh, well, one, I think it
says something to America when you look at the two
programs that are out there tomorrow and we with the
Naval Academy and the Army team, and that we have
both enjoyed some success over the past couple of years
in the heart of this inn.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
I l And so what's that mean?

Speaker 7 (05:05):
I mean, neither program has got five and four stars,
all right, those players went somewhere else. But we've demonstrated success.
And I don't mean just in terms of a winning record,
But I mean in winning championships, winning bowl games, and uh,
I think there's a message there in that, you know,

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commitment to a program, development of your players over time. Uh,
you know, dedication to each other, dedication to coaches, coaches
dedicated to them.

Speaker 8 (05:38):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
There's no dollar signs involved. Now, I think I told
you this before. Remember, I mean we were the first
to start in I L yes, okay, because our our
cadets have been getting paid for you know, since the beginning,
not quite not quite the dollar signs that others are,
but none less being paid as cadet athletes and that

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and but every cadet gets paid the same.

Speaker 8 (06:05):
Uh. And so I think that I do.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
I think that message is pretty powerful in that when
you take teams, because it's a team effort in the end,
it's not an individual effort.

Speaker 8 (06:16):
And that's just what the Army is about, you know.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
I I tell people all the time, the Army is
a team contact sport. All Right, you're gonna get knocked
in the mouth, You're gonna get knocked down, You're gonna
get bloodied.

Speaker 8 (06:27):
And what are you gonna do?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
You're gonna get back up, right, You're gonna you're gonna
get back in the fight. You might, you might stagger
back a little bit, but guess what, there's an expectation.

Speaker 8 (06:37):
You don't quit, you don't give up.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
And that's what I think our young people really develop
over the course of four years at the at the
service academies.

Speaker 8 (06:47):
And uh, you.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Know it's also I say, don't don't give up. It's
so don't give up on yourself. Don't give up on
your teammates, right, which you know if you transfer somewhere else.

Speaker 8 (06:59):
I mean, the army is about.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Relationships also, and how do you build those relationships over time?
If you're going from place to place to play football
or basketball or whatever sport, are you really developing relationships?
What does that equate to twenty thirty, forty years from now?

Speaker 8 (07:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yes, sir, they don't think about that, sir. It's a
quick visit. I'm sorry, we're heading out.

Speaker 8 (07:23):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
The general manager of the Oakland right, former gentlemanager of
Las Vegas Raiders, Mike mac former defensive back for the
New York Giants. He's also sitting down next to us
right here on Radio Row. Mike, thanks for sitting down
with us.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Today.

Speaker 9 (07:34):
It's great to be here and you're wearing your West
Point very proudly.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
To appreciate that. I appreciate you telling the listeners what
I got. Well.

Speaker 9 (07:41):
I mean after last year, you'd be a little more
bashful I would.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Thirty one thirteen maybe with thanks Mike, I forget about that.

Speaker 9 (07:47):
Well, that was my old Bill Parcels thing. You build
a guy up and then you take them down.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yes, Mike was born and raised in Philadelphia, right, so
he is ingrained.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
In the Army Navy game. The home of the Army
Navy Game.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
It's now moved around a little bit sense, but as
a kid growing up someone into sports, what the Army
Navy Game mean to you and your city.

Speaker 9 (08:05):
So my dad was a high school and college coach,
and we grew up in Overbrook, which is part of
West Philadelphia. And in the old days, back when I
was growing up, there was one hundred thousand seat stadium
Franklin No, not Franklin Field, Oh no, it was JFK.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It was JFK.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
That's right right next to Veteran Stadium, that's right.

Speaker 9 (08:24):
And it only hosted one game a year, and it
was Army Navy one hundred thousand people. My dad played
in it, not in the game, but in that stadium
because he played at Villanova and I forget who they
played there, But at the end of the day, my
dad talked a lot about that game, and it was
something where we'd watch the game on television. I had
a few uncles that were in the Army, and just

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our family was one of respect and thankfulness for what
those people do for us.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
In the city of Philadelphia, it just embraces it. As
a cadet going there for four years, it's still my
favorite place to have the Army Navy game for what
the city.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Does for it obviously means something to Philadelphians.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
Well, Philly will embrace a party.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
And form is that.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
I mean, everything Philly does, it kind of does to
the maximum. But I think Philly did take a pride
in that game because for so long before it started
to rotate like it does, it was the sole home
of Army Navy, and I really do believe the city
took a lot of pride in that game.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
And it's yeah, So.

Speaker 9 (09:30):
I mean, the hard thing for me was I left
Philly to go to Boston College and then I had
to play Army in Navy every year, and I hated
it because, like I had a chip on my shoulder
because Penn State didn't offer me. I wanted to play
at Penn State. Every Army Navy player I ever met
is pissed off with multiple chips because they didn't get
recruited by whomever they wanted. So when they came out

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to play Boston College, they were all made at me
and that's why.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
And they took it out on me.

Speaker 9 (09:56):
And they all ran the wishbone and there were no then.
They could chop, you could cut, you could do anything.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was.

Speaker 9 (10:04):
It was and you you knew somebody was going to
rip a knee. You just hoped it wasn't going to
be you.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
That No, That's what I was gonna say is the
uniqueness of the game isn't just the pageantry.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
It's the actual style of the game.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
And if you were a you know, a traditional college program, yeah,
it's hard to prepare for one hundred percent.

Speaker 9 (10:21):
If you look at what they do in the American
Athletic Conference a year ago, Army was undefeated eight no
in the conference they played. I think it was Tulane
in the championship game, and I think the tough. Part
of that, just as a segue, is that Navy was
at home with a bye that week, and Army had
to play a blood bath against Tlane in a championship

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game and flip around the next week and play a
Navy team that was well rested and ready to go.
Even though none of the Army or Navy players or
coaches would admit it, you know, Navy went seven and
one in the league this year along with two other teams,
and they were the odd man out. I think for
the purity the same of the Army Navy game. I
think it's good because both teams have a week off,

(11:05):
both teams come in as healthy as they're going to be,
and I think we're going to see a great game.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
The quick snat Mike Mayak Western One Sports will be
on the call tomorrow on the National Broadcast Radio broadcast
here from Baltimore. That's a three pm Eastern noon kickoff.
Stay outle time. Your quick synopsis of the game. Your
Navy's favored. Yeah, a nine win team that's had a
really good day about Forrvath is a great quarterback. But
your synopsis, this game is always almost always tight. But

(11:32):
how do you see Army competing with a nine win
Navy team.

Speaker 9 (11:35):
I think every year it comes down to who wins
the line of scrimmage, And last year Army had the
Joe More offensive line group, in other words, the best
O line in the country, as voted by a group
of former players and coaches. It meant something, right what
happened in the game, Landon Robinson, the nose tackle from Navy,
destroyed it. He had thirteen tackles and even snapped him

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a ball in the punt and he ran a twenty
nine years fake bunks for a touchdown. So whoever wins
the line of scrimmage wins his game is the way
I look at it.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Now.

Speaker 9 (12:06):
Beyond that, Navy's got better skill position players this year.
They've got a group of sophomores that are now seniors
that are really good. Eli Heidenreich the slot. He's going
to the East West game. He's number twenty two. He'll
be in if he doesn't get drafted, he'll be in
a camp and he think I think we'll get drafted
on the third day.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
He's really good.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
The quarterback Corvath you mentioned, special three year starter, knows
what this game is all about. He's really good. Chapman
the other tailback, really good. They've got better skill than
Army does. But at the end of the day, if
Army dominates both sides of the line of scrimmage, it's
a different story.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
One of the questions I was going to ask related
to this game, but broader perspective, This is almost a
last real college football game that exists, so like kind
of the last two true college football teams. These kids
aren't transfer portaling like everybody else is these days.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Reminder how much nil money will be on the field
tomorrow and I'm on two hundred and ten players, zero
zero dollars and zero sets.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
However, they do get paid, they do, and they they
pay on the other end as well.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Exactly right.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
What is your take on the current state of college
football as we try to wrap our heads around.

Speaker 9 (13:19):
Oh, we don't have enough time for this conversation. Yeah,
I will try. It's the wild, wild West right now,
which I don't like. There needs to be more curbs
to just more rules, and they're trying to put them
in place right now, but teams are already finding ways
around it. I mean, so now that they're saying, oh,

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you can have twenty million dollars per program, and you
can divide it up by sports however you want, and
all the kind of stuff they're saying. You're also still
allowed INIL on top of that, and schools are figuring
that thing out. So I think it's going to continue
to be the haves and the have nots. Like I mentioned,
I went to Boston College. It's gonna be hard for
Boston College to stay at that level and compete or

(14:05):
write don't know, and it's a great question, but they've
got Bill O'Brien as their head coach and they want
to compete at that level. I mean, it's similar for Stanford,
it's similar for Duke, it's similar for Vanderbilt in the SEC.
And they got a freak named Diego Pavia who's one
of the fourth finalists for the Heisman. So they're competing
this year, but the state of college football is different.
What I would tell you, which is kind of intriguing,

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is that Army's three best sophomores from last year most
talented sophomores all went into portal YEP.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
At Georgia, their leading pass rusher.

Speaker 9 (14:36):
Medozie, who was an edge rusher, and when I put
the tape in last year. He's the first I went, wow,
that doesn't look like an Army Navy kid. Length twitch
quicks off their full back udo is at Arizona State,
I think, and they had a corner that went to Virginia.
So Army lost three kids of the portal. Navy didn't
lose any. But it just shows you that there are

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some high level Division one athletes both schools.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
For those of you who don't understand, the military academy
rules still exists that if you sit for your first
day of your junior year academic year, you are then
committed to serving in the military, but you can leave
up until that point.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
In fact, was looking at tred Bring the end of
my sophomore year.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I hated it.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
But then you get to the point.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Then you get to the point where like, wait, I
put in all this work, I'm gonna get the damn
degree and get my commission. But Mike's Mike Mayock joining
us here in the Army Navy game. He's mentioning the
Army transfers. We're in the state of college athletics now,
jessmen that if an Army or Navy or Air FORCET
player is that good. He needs to determine before his
junior year that I'm gone to go play major college

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nil football. And there's that crossroads comes at the end
of the sophomore year because once you're in a junior
you're serving the military.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
So that's what the.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Context for that Mike shifting gears to the NFL audience
in Seattle. We've got a ten and three team, you do,
but we also have a quarterback who leads the NFL
in turnovers, and Sam Darnold.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
When he's on, he's Jackson Smith and jigbaw On.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Is it a concern from the outside that a team
that is this good, with this good of a Mike
McDonald defense has a quarterback turning it over at this rate,
or you think that they have a defense to mitigate that.

Speaker 9 (16:11):
They're scoring twenty nine points a game. The Donald thing
is so intriguing to me, No different than Daniel Jones
unfortunately just got hurt.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Geno Smith.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
All these kind of reprocessed former first round picks that
are now doing well when they finally get to the
right fit, and I think last year he found a
fit in Minnesota. Kevin O'Donnell is a quarterback whisperer he
goes out.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
To Seattle, continues.

Speaker 9 (16:38):
My concern last year wasn't necessarily you know, people want
to say the playoffs were. I thought in the red
zone last year, a week seventeen eighteen, whatever it was
against Detroit, I thought he had trouble pulling the trigger
in the red zone. That's the hardest place for a
quarterback because the decisions have to be so quick and
you have to be so accurate, and the boss to

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come out of me imediately. I'm anxious to see and
he's now you know, it's the toughest division in football
right now. Right so Seattle's got left Indy, the Rams,
at Carolina at San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Good sir, I saw you were born a pipe place
market rather than that.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Cheat notes help.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
But what I what I'm really saying is that last
year at the end, he didn't play quite as well.
And it's gonna be intriguing for all of us to
see because if he protects the football and you see
the good Sam Donald, the consistent Sam Donald, I think
they can go anywhere they want to go. That defense
is so good.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
You still do games NFL games for Western one as well.
Who's the best team you've seen, because it's a it's
a wide open league right now.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
I've told people that most years by now I can
tell you one or two teams in each conference that
are going to get to the super Bowl. You know,
last year I thought it was definitely Philly in Kansas City.
This year, I can't even begin to tell you. I
could tell you that in the end, NFC, I think
the balance of power is in the West, with the
North really good. And it could you know, Detroit's defense

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is decimated with injuries once again. If Love plays at
a consistently high level in Green Bay a lot like
Donald if Love doesn't vacillate, green Bay is a super
Bowl team. And I think Philly's kind of the wild card,
you know in the AFC. You know, I don't I
don't even know where to go with that. I mean,
Buffalo's coming on and so it's a wide open year.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
It is a wide open year. I got to ask
you quickly before we go. Sure, Philip Rivers forty four
years old, five years of retirement, can he produce Sunday
in Seattle with three days of practice off five years
of retirement?

Speaker 9 (18:40):
I would say ninety nine percent of the mortals on
this earth that walked the earth, that played in the
NFL at the quarterback position, it couldn't even come close
to it. Philip Rivers is one of my favorite players
I've ever covered in my life, going back to college
at NC State the Senior Bowl where I sat and
talked to him and I thought he was the best

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quarterback in the draft. He's involved with football, He's been
a coach. He probably throws at practice every day. He
probably stay like so could he do it for a
short period of time because of who he is and
his what what his mind. His mind can process as
quickly as ever. It's just whether or not his body
will answer. And I can't wait to.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
See Mike Mayock.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
He'll be on the Westman one call of the one
hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy Game tomorrow from Baltimore, Marion.
Thank you, sir for joining us for Raiders general manager,
quarterback in the Boston coltin and Philadelphia native who knows
this game very well.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
Give me my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Thanks guy.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
We'll be back from Baltimore on the one hundred and
twenty sixth Army Navy Game brought to you by USAA
on ninety three point three kJ RFM.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Now back to our special Army Navy broadcast presented by
USAA in Baltimore at the Baltimore Convention Center. Here's Jessman
McIntyre and Greg Bell on Sports Radio ninety three f
kJ r FM.

Speaker 10 (20:05):
Welcome back guy from Baltimore, Greg Bell the News Tribune
and Jessmin McIntyre, right, and honored to be with you
at the one hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy Game,
the fourth time we've teamed up to do this.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
This is your super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
It is favorite day, it is and it's I'm biased,
of course. A nineteen ninety three West Point graduate. I
attended this institution the very first day I got to
West Point four what they call our.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Day reporting day.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
You walk into the gym, you say goodbye to your
family and your loved ones. You turn the corner and
it just becomes a smoke show and you get absolutely
screamed at from the first second you turn that corner.
As an eighteen seventeen year old high school senior, I
just had graduated from Stupenvill High School in Ohio fourteen
days before that. Our day, I turned the corner and
while they were screaming at me, they said, you will

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address everyone that is not in your company with beat
navy ma'am, beat navy sir.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
That was the first thing I heard.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
I mean, they were screaming at me, but the first
words I could I could make out were, you will
address everyone that is not in your company by beating
navy man, beat navy sir. If they're in your company.
You had to say, go tell the spartans, ma'am, Go
tell the spartans. So that became a haze in itself
because you had I didn't know who anyone with my
company was because I had just shown up there.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Well, it's nice that they armed you with a phrase.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yes, so yeah, fifty to fifty chants those first couple
of days of getting it wrong. It either if you say,
go army, they were beating navy sir, beat navy man
to the wrong person.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
You got the flame for that too.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
But oh yeah, so you have to be constant, tell
the spartans. But the point is it's ingrained in you
from the first moment.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Did you become a cadet, a.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
New cadet, not even a cadet at the time, all
the way through graduation to beat Navy or at Annapolis
to beat Army, they do the same thing. The very
first thing your thought is to beat Navy at West Point,
and that resonates throughout everything that four year academy experiences,
and it culminates in this game. As I mentioned in
the very top, we're talking to Lieutenant General Stephen Gillen, who,

(22:07):
by the way, was supposed to go to another interview
and you turned when he saw me. He came up
to me said hey, Greg, I don't have too many
three star generals who go up and say hey Greg, Yeah,
I want to talk to you and Jesson and again
we talked every year.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Can I do it? Let's go right now.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
At at five, lieutenant colonel is trying to pull his
aid is trying to pull him to another interview, and
he said, no, I want to.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Go talk to Greg.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
He did I so he lit up when he walked
by here, and we had just you know, we have
obviously this is radio row, so we had everything kind
of segmented out and we had to find time for him.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I hope that my daughter can appreciate now that she's
going to be a Coast Guard Ensign and she's at
the Coast Guard Academy has senior right now, and she's
learning all these military ethis that in O eight Chasing Down,
her father wanted to talk to him. That's what the
Army Navy game is all about. Lieutenant Delian and I attend.
Jone Gilly and I have a relationship because we're both
West Point graduates. He was in nineteen ninety I was

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in nineteen ninety three. The entire core of cadets and
brigade midshipman come to this game every year. And also
who comes to this game every year is Nate Boyer,
the former Seattle Seahawks, the former Texas Longhorn, self made
football player, Green Beret Bronze star.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Nate.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know, I could go on and on. He's sitting
right down with us at the Baltimore Convention Center here
on ninety three point three kJ r FM. Nate Boyer,
a former Army Green Bray Bronze Star, then went on
and walked on to the University of Texas football team,
which is not exactly just walking onto your local squad.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Nate. It's so great to see you again, sir, to.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
See in a minute, it's but at least three and
sixty five days. Anyway, Seahawk fans remember you this summer.
You were there with the Seahawks long snapping in camp.
The story goes that general manager John Schneider was more
broken up than you were when he cut you.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Is that true? Oh?

Speaker 11 (24:04):
Man, Yeah, I uh, I'll never forget his face. You know,
he felt so bad. But it was like that was
the game after I don't know if you remember, the
preseason game went to Varis Jackson. Yes, broke his foot,
so they brought in Jake Waters and it was like
they had to have a quarterback that day and it
was just my time unfortunately, was up. But but yeah,
he walked up to me and he kind of was,

(24:24):
you know, looking at I know people can't see me
right now, but uh he's just kind of looking off
and and you know, furling his brow and he was
just like, you know, I'm like it's okay. Yeah exactly.
I was like, hey man, I'm like I appreciate the opportunity.
And it was cool. But yeah, then reality hit. You know,
I'm in the airport two hours later and it's like

(24:47):
people are like, hey, aren't you And I'm like.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
No, I got cut.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I just got cut.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
For those that don't know your backstory, you tell us
about your time in the military, green beret, bronze star,
what that means to civilians, how you earned that, what
combat you saw where for what unit, and then your
transitioned to civilian life in.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
The University of Texas.

Speaker 11 (25:09):
Yeah, I mean I went into the Special Forces, or
wanted to go into the Special Forces because of the
motto really Depresso libert I remember that, which means to
free the oppressed. I remember reading that, and it was
after I'd just come back from the Sudan. I was
doing some relief work over there in Darfur, and I
knew I wanted to join the military. I wanted to

(25:30):
continue serving in some way. And I found out about
that unit, the Special Forces and the humanitarian side to
the mission, but also the AT and X ray program
where you could come in off the street if you
tested high enough on like language aptitude and you know,
the as Baptists and a psyche val and all this stuff,
then you could go.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Pretty much straight to tryouts.

Speaker 11 (25:53):
You go to basic training, airborne school, and then Special
Forces selection. And I just figured, you know, what the
heck like worst happens, get cut or I don't make it,
and I'll end up in you know, in another great unit.
I'll be in the eighty second Airborne or something like that.
And I ended up making it and making it through,
and two years later, you know, I earned the Green
beret and whether oft in Okinawa first and then eventually

(26:15):
to Iraq and later to Afghanistan and and a few
other places in between. But but yeah, it was really
it was really because of that mission and you know,
foreign internal defense, you know, fighting alongside host nationals in
everything that we do. I thought that was important to
me to see that effect, I think firsthand, and you know,

(26:35):
to work alongside the people that were trying to help liberate.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Now that you're no longer in the military, what is
your and we'll talk a second to your many initiatives
that you're doing. Now, what is it that you miss
about the military? What is it you take about the
military that usually use in everyday life. It gives you
an advantage?

Speaker 11 (26:53):
Oh man, I take a lot. You know, It's given
me a lot. It opened a lot of doors. But
it also yeah, it just it taught me that anything
is possible, you know, about resilience, and not knowing how
to quit, you know you kind of that's the one
thing you lose, which is great. I could also be
frustrated because you're stubborn and you'll never give up. But

(27:17):
but it's a great thing. I mean I I uh, yeah,
that the sacrifice to be elite. You know that you
have to same thing with athletes. But without the military,
I never would have tried that. I never would have
believed that it was possible for me to walk on
a Texas or you know, have a cup of coffee
with the Seahawks, Like that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
How did you walk on to Texas? Did you have
any long snapping experience?

Speaker 11 (27:40):
No, I never played football growing up.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Practice while you were on base, yeahstan or something.

Speaker 11 (27:48):
So I walked on as a safety at Texas because
I figured, you know, I'm not the biggest guy in
the world that you're not.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Walking onto the local community call Texas. I just from
there there's bad asses and then there's Nate Boyd.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah. Well, don't tell me you can't do something right.

Speaker 11 (28:06):
Don't tell me I can't please or do and I
will world try. But yeah, I think it was I
initially thought of maybe going somewhere smaller and it was
actually one of my buddies who was just like, go
for you gotta go big man.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
And uh.

Speaker 11 (28:22):
And last year, last year, this game was in DC
and Radio Row was you know, at Arlington, and that
was on December thirteenth, Radio Row last year because the
game was the fourteenth. This year of the game's on
the thirteenth. But December thirteenth, twenty twelve is when that
guy passed away. So he's buried at Arlington, so I
got to go visit him, you know, and thinking back
when you get to go to a place like that

(28:43):
and spend a little time with him and thinking and remembering,
like the only reason you went to Texas because Brad,
you know, and the only reason that whatever, because you
had these people, these great leaders in your life, you know.
So not the only reason. Of course we have to
be a part of doing that ourselves too, but like, uh,
you know, being inspired by someone like that, So it

(29:03):
was just that was It's special. This game is just
so special, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
And catch U up on what you're doing now. You're
a filmmaker.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
You're doing for veterans causes, wounded warriors. I mean, you
are really extending yourself, well beyond your middle.

Speaker 11 (29:15):
Yeah, well to speak on the film thing real quick.
So the MVP movie just went to Netflix slips speak.
So it's on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (29:23):
Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah, so we've had because of that.
It's helped so much with outreach too. I'm getting like
social media messages from people that are just like, I
didn't know what this was. I just watched this movie,
you know, really powerful and essentially the movies about a
marine who was living in a homeless shelter and a
former NFL player first year out of the league, and
they meet and they're going through the same struggles of

(29:44):
like losing that uniform. And it's it's got Randy Couture
and Tony Gonzalez and Michael Strand and how we Long
have a cameo in it. They play themselves, you know,
and every VET portrayed on screen is played by an
actual veteran. But it's about the genesis of merging vets
and players. That's what MVP means in our world. And
you know, there's just so many similarities. Of course, the

(30:05):
battlefield the ball field different, but that locker room and
the camaraderie, the structure, the identity with that uniform very
similar and losing that can be tough, you know, And
so that's that's what the charity does. That's what the
organization does. We encourage and bring together our that's and
athletes and help them walk that walk.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, that was one thing I was going to say.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
When you're describing the similarities taking off a uniform, your
whole identity is wrapped up there. But you know, former
player and form were veteran. Those are two different languages,
but you speak both of them, you know. Is that
kind of where you went with that, where you saw
both sides and you understood the feeling on both sides
of it totally.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (30:41):
I didn't even know how realize how lucky I was
to have a football locker room to go to when
I came out of the military, Like I wasn't thinking
about it yet, being be an affecter would be like.
And then it was after that, it was after poor
John Schneider had to cut me that that I really
That's where I kind of hit me all at once.

(31:02):
It was like, I'm no longer in the military, I'm
no longer football player.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
Are Like what am I? Who am I?

Speaker 11 (31:07):
What do I you know, I was thirty four, felt
like I still had, you know, a lot in the
tank and feeling like you've peaked, you'll never be great
again is a tough thing, could be a scary thing.
So yeah, that was just being in both of those
locker rooms and experiencing that. Because the language it is different,
but you know, it's kind of like the difference between
Spanish and Portuguese, Like there's a lot of similarities.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Analogy.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
This is the voided voice of Nate Boyer. He's the
ex Green Beret Bronze or recipient Special Forces in the
US Army, served in combat. He inspired Colin Kaepernick to
kneel instead of sitting during the national anthem about a
half dozen years ago. He's joining us here from the
Army Navy game on ninety three point three.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
KJR.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Briefly revisit that for US, Nate, that tumultuous time, and yeah,
and Colin Kaepernick was pillared by much of society for
what he was doing, and you stepped in and you
found a new common ground for him that I think
resonated with a lot of people. How did you become
involved in that and how he became receptive to that?

Speaker 11 (32:11):
Yeah, I h So that was a year after I
was in Seattle, so I believe it or not, was
ten years ago that Seattle, So it was nine years ago.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
He was still good as young as the day I met.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 11 (32:22):
You got a few more grades, but yeah, you know,
Kap had been, uh, he'd been sitting on the bench
for a couple of games during the anthem and somebody,
a reporter interviewed him about it and asked, is a
reason you're doing that? And he said, yeah, I'm not
going to stand for the flag of a country that
oppresses black people and people with color. He also said
a lot of other stuff that we didn't get to hear,

(32:45):
you know, or maybe you'd have to dig to find it,
but including things like I got a lot of respect
for the military and and all kinds of stuff. And
really the meat potatoes of why he was doing it,
you know, is the focus of it being about you know,
essentially enforcement when they're in the wrong, you know, and
gunning down unarmed people of color that's not and not

(33:07):
being held accountable. You know, what he thought was the
punishment wasn't fitting the crime. Essentially, this is what I'm
speaking out for like that was what he was, why
he was doing what he was doing, And there was
so many narratives that got pulled from that as to,
you know, he hates America or whatever it is, and
a lot of it just simply wasn't true. And so

(33:28):
I wrote this letter through the Army Times kind of
explaining just my background, who I was, and I wrote
it was an open letter to Colin. I'd gotten reached
out to several times by the Army Times to write
this thing, and I was like, I don't want to
interject myself in this conversation, and they're like, you gotta
write something, and you can be anything, and I was like, Okay,

(33:51):
if it can be anything, I'll just do it like
an open letter. And Colin ended up reading it and
reached out and wanted to meet, and so we met
the next day in the lobby at the team hotel
before their final preseason game, and yeah, he asked me
if he thought or if I thought there was a
way he could protest it wouldn't offend people in the military,
and I said, no, no matter what you do, some

(34:11):
people are gonna be offended. That's just you know, it's
a protest and I said, but if you're asking my opinion,
I think sitting on the bench by yourself maybe isn't
the most inspiring way. I think you should be alongside
your teammates if possible. And he agreed, and he wanted to,
but he said, I've committed to not standing, So you know,
we sort of came to this middle ground of taking
a knee, you know, And he took a knee that

(34:34):
night alongside the team when the anthem played, and I
stood next to him with my hand in my heart,
and the crowd booed. Not all the crowd, but people
in the crowd booed. I remember that, and I just
remember feeling like, how is that not more disrespectful, you know,
to the to the flag, to the anthem, and to
you know, what this nation is supposed to represent. So anyway,
that's really the story with that. You know, a lot

(34:55):
of it got lost, I think over the years and
over that over the weeks. It was during an election
cycle and all kinds of things going on. But it'll
be ten years next next year.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Since then, yeah, I just before we let you go,
I wanted to let you know and to say hi
to Dan Quinn and the commanders. They up the road
and d C have this show on right now in
that office and they do.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
I just got a picture. My best friend is his
chiefs staff, So yeah, Sara tick to Hogan, so I yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
I just got a picture of Deeku's might cause my
cleats and there for m VP this year.

Speaker 11 (35:34):
Yeah yeah, coach Quinn wore, he wore the cleats.

Speaker 8 (35:38):
They they took me.

Speaker 11 (35:39):
I flew me out to the game and I got
to go, uh be on the field with the team
and they're battling, of course, you know, they've got there
dealing with injuries and you know, but amazing that what
that the turnaround out there and what he's able to
continue to do like everywhere he goes. De's just specially
he's very different too. Like then there's not a lot
of coaches that have the humility that guy. Guys great

(36:01):
respect for the veterans community in the military, as many
coaches do. But he's just a dude. You know, He's
a guys guy, uh and and a and a player's coach,
and you know, people want to fight for that, for
for leaders like that, you know, just like just like
we do in the military. So I'm proud of them,
proud of him, and proud that he uh represents MVP so.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Well Nate Boyer.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
There have been badasses that have played for the Seahawks,
Kenny Easley, cam Chancellor, and then there's Nate Boyer, ex
Army Green Beret broadstar, slow, small, long snap.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah all though never count him out of anything.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
It is always great to see you again.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Thank you very much, Nate boy joining us at one
hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy game from Baltimore. We'll
be back next live on ninety three point three kJ
r f M.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
USAA and Baltimore at the Baltimore Convention Center. Here's Jessamin
McIntyre and Greg Bell on Sports Radio ninety three point
three kjr FM.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Welcome back, Craig Bell, Jesson and McIntyre here live from
Radio Row before the one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Six Army Navy game.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
Here, and we have to take a moment to acknowledge
the historic flooding that we're seeing in our state. Actually,
the President just declared a state of emergency for the
entire state of Washington due to all of this reign,
and we know how many people out there are being.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Affected, dislodged.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
A lot going on here, So we wanted to let
you out there that you can know that you can help. Also,
you can provide essentials for people displaced by the floods
by donating to the Red Cross.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
And I know that people. I spoke to a member of.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
The Red Cross Pacific Northwest Region for this weekend's Seattle
Voice that'll air on Sunday, But she did say that
even though people would like to kind of do with
a good will thing where you know, donating coats and
things like that, the thing is you don't know what
size these people are and you don't know what their
direct needs are. So they do and so donating to

(38:10):
the Red Cross is literally the best way you can help.
And right now you can do that by texting right
across all one word to nine zero nine nine. I
wanted to let everybody out there know that we're going
to do everything we can to help the Red Cross
during this crisis.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, all our best to people, and especially South king
County and up in the foothills and then the Cascades
and man flying over. Yes, when we took off yesterday
from SeaTac to get here to Baldoon with Jessamine and
look down in the valley Freeway one six seven between.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I mean the whole corridor there looked like it was
underwater all the way down to almost pew all up.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
I couldn't tell what was what because of how much
water was on there.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Hopefully, where you are, you are safe, first of all,
and hopefully free of some of that. But I know
there are many affected and listening, and the hearts go
out to you, and we hope you have some recovery
ahead of you and better times ahead. And Nate Boyer,
we just spoke to Green Gray, the former Seahawks long
snapper for a training camp and Texas Longhorn, self made

(39:11):
football player. He's at Nate Boyer n at E B
O y E R three seven.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
If you want to follow him on Twitter x. He's
now working for Veterans Affairs, Veterans Betterment and a.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Lot of awareness for veterans.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
He's has a Netflix movie MVP coming out soon on
Netflix that he's produced. He lives in Los Angeles and
in Austin, Texas, splitting time between where he went to
college and where he makes films. Now lots more here.
I mean, we spent most of the day pre taping interviews.
We still have a couple of interviews coming up later
as well. We're still waiting and perhaps on John Harbaugh
the Ravens.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Yeah, he's a move of target.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
In my day job, I know how that can be
a moving target quite a bit. But we hope that
John Harbaugh the Ravens. He's preparing for his team's game
this weekend.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
The Baltimore Ravens train about fifteen minutes from here out
in Owen's.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Mills, Maryland. We are in downtown Baltimore. You can see
Oriel Park at Camden Yards in the sun to our left.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
In the big warehouses.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
The familiar red brick warehouses be on right field of
Oriol Park and Candon Yards, and then the football stadium
M ANDT Bank is right next to that. The Seahawks
won't play here this year, of course. The Seahawks this
weekend are playing at home against the Indianapolis Colts and
what has become perhaps the most intriguing regular season game
in the NFL in many years of Philip Rivers, whether
he will now Saint Stikeen today the Indianapolis Colts coach

(40:31):
being a little cat and mouse with the Seahawks and
stratesically not declaring that the forty four year old grandpa
who came out of retirement three days ago after five
years of not playing, kind of hedging on whether he'll
play or not trying to play up that Riley leonards
knee injury might not prevent Riley Leonard, the rookie from
Notre Dame, playing on Sunday at Lumenfield. I will tell
you that the Seahawks, Mike McDonald, they have game plan

(40:52):
for Philip Rivers to play. And I keep hearing in
my voice what Philip Rivers's former teammate Chena and Wolos
who told me on wednesdy Day in Renton before practice
at the Seahawks. He said, Greg, there's no way that
Philip Rivers is going to come out of retirement and
leave his ten kids and his grandkid in Alabama at
age forty four to get on a plane and fly

(41:12):
five hours from Indianapolis to Seattle to not play.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
No, no, he's not going for the free food in
the snacks.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
No, no, he doesn't need a plane ride to Seattle
and back just because that's where the Seahawks will be
on Sunday, expecting philip Rivers to play the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Trying to get a little eleven and three.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
And of course what's after that Thursday night, the Los
Angeles Rams against the Seahawks at Womenfield. Much more to
come here from Baltimore. We're at the one hundred and
twenty sixth Army Navy Game. Jessmon McIntyre, Greg Bell with
you on ninety three point three KJRFM, coming to you.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Min from the Baltimore Convention Center and the Army Navy
Game Media Row presented by USA in Baltimore. This is
our special Army Navy broadcast on your Home for College
Football Now with jess Man McIntyre.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Here's Greg Bell, Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
We're at the Army Navy Game, one hundred and twenty
sixth Army Navy Game, brought to you by USAA.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
We're in Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
We're at the Baltimore Convention Center, which is right next
to Oriel Parker Camden Yards, which is right next to
M and T Stadium where the game will be played tomorrow,
the Army Navy Game. With jess McIntyre and Greg Bell.
This game was first played in eighteen ninety. Eighteen ninety,
that's how long they've been playing this game. Navy beat
Army twenty four. Other than the first game ever played,
it's been played every year since nineteen thirty, including during

(42:43):
World War Two. The series record is, I hate to
say this, Navy sixty three, Army fifty five with seven ties.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
That's because Navy beat Army fourteen years in a row,
in a streak that ended a few years ago, which
is unheard of. When I was a cadet from eighty
nine to ninety three, it was back and forth, back
and forth. I was two and two against the Naval
Academy and the series was always one or two games
within five hundred split, evenly teams winning. I mean, it
was never fourteen years umber that was There were four

(43:11):
cycles of classes at West Point that didn't be hard
beat beat Bay. Right.

Speaker 11 (43:16):
That's rough, that is up, that's wrong.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
I mean it it reminds me of the Apple Cup,
you know.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
But yeah, I hate to bring that up for I
had to bring it up, Jess. That wasn't pushing on,
and I wasn't gonna bring it up.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I wasn't gonna bring it up.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Last year Navy beat Army in Washington, DC, right outside
Washington CEA and landover Maryland thirty one thirteen, and that
was an upset.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Army was favored to win that game.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
This is gonna be the seventh time in one hundred
and twenty six years of this game that what they
call America's Game has been played in Baltimore. Baltimore is
only thirty minutes up the road from Annapolis and the
Naval Academy right on Chesapeake Bay.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
This game is.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Most people frequently played in Philadelphia, followed by New York
and then Baltimore. It's gonna be in New York next year,
and then it's gonna go back to Philadelphia. I have
talked many times to people when I come back here
Jusaman about it coming to the West Coast. It's only
been on the West Coast one time. That was in
the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I think it was.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Nineteen eighty two or eighty three, maybe eighty one, the
early eighties. I remember watching him as a kid. They
shipped the entire core of cadets, the entire Brigady Midshipman
to Pasadena, California. You talk about a vacation in December.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
For those kids.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Yeah, right before finals. They took everybody out there. Back then,
the Army Navy game was played the first Saturday of December,
and it was with conference championship game before many conference
championship games. But a few years ago they moved it
to this second week of December to be a standalone game,
and they moved it away from the conference championship weekend
so that this would be truly America's game and showcased

(44:44):
on national television in the middle of a Saturday with
no other major college football games going on. Now Tomorrow,
quist we know, we have the Washington Huskies and Boise
State in the LA Bowl, the last LA Bowl down
it so far stydt even in Englewood.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
That's tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
But this is the major college football game of the
day tomorrow, and they purposely set it aside as such.
The history of this game, I mean, they have the
three Mules, which is the Army's mascots, five Mules, and
there's the goat, Billy the Goat, who's a live.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Goat in the Naval Academy.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
My junior year classmates of mine broke into the stall
of Billy the Goat in Annapolis.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Oh no, stole the goat.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Brought him in a van or maybe it was either
car could have been a hatchback to and for all
I know, and drove it from Annapolis in the middle
of the night back to West Point. This was nineteen
ninety ninety one. Drove it back to West Point. I've
told my kids this story many times. They paraded this
goat into the mess hall for lunch that day. This
was like three days before the Army Navy game that year.

(45:49):
The poor goat, I mean this is it was inhumane,
how bad it was. It was on a leash like
a dog, and they dragged him through the mess hall.
I'll never forget it. There's four four hundred cadets eating
at one time. We eat it mess hall in Washington
Hall at West Point, we all eat at the same time.
You eat breakfast together, you eat lunch together. They've lacked
some of the dinner rules. But four hundred cadets eat
at the same time in wings of the mess hall.

(46:12):
And they paraded this goat up and down the aisles
of it and it was scared to death.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
This reminds me of animal house or something.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
It was like a frat as as much as a
frat at West Point could be. The kid hats were
lacking like frat boys. And I regret to say at
the time, I didn't regret them see it, do it,
But we were pouring things on the poor cadet milk
and stuff.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Things happened. Things happen.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Well, suffice to say, Man, did those cats get in trouble?
Those kidets got expelled from West Point.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Oh wow. There was a congressional inquiry to the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
The two service academies agreed that that will never happen again,
and that is illegal, and that there is a truce,
and that is you will never steal the others team's
goat or.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Mules ever again. Wow.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Fast That was in the early nineties and I was
there when it happened. It was my junior year. Fast
forward to this week, Army cadets West Point Cadets dutifully
went down to Annapolis and broke in again. They broke
into the Navy varsity swimming pool and they hung signs
such as Navy are slimy. That's a play on words

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that we call the Naval Academy squids about these. So
they said the Navy is slimy, and they stole a
goat again, which is illegal and you cannot do. And
so they steal a goat, right, they bring the goat
back to West Point.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Eric knows. My son knows this, so he's sitting right
next to me here in Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
They bring the goat back into West Point and reenact
twenty four years later what they did to that poor
goat in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Did they know what happened?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Oh, it gets better.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
So they parade the goat through the messhall again, just
like we did when I was there, and of course
through West Point. I should have mentioned it to Lieutenant
Gilly and when we had him, but he might have
gotten off the rails a little bit. The West Point
leadership went crazy because here we are violating a truce
that has existed for now thirty four years. Well, it

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turns out that the Naval Academy, apparently, if you believe
in Naval Academy at its face, the Naval Academy had
a duplicate goat and that was not Billy the goat.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Okay, gosh, So they were prepped.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
They prepped this for happening. They were tipped off coat
the decoy goat. They had a decoy Billy the goat.
They said that that goat, the West Point kid had stole.
It had horns, and Billy the goat doesn't have horns,
or not that long of horns.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
They said that his beard wasn't as long as the
true Billy the Goat's bear.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
The naval midshipman said that they gave a decoy goat
to West Point to steal.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
That's all happened this week. Wow, that's part of that.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
I know there's some college graduates out there that went
to WSU and you deb want the's this guy talking.
This is what you do with West Point and Indianapolis
when you had not allowed to go to the bars,
and you're not allowed to stay out till what you
do anyway, the traditions are such that they live on forever.
And I saw the best man in my wedding who

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just drove down from Buffalo, New York. He and his
family just walked into the Baltimore Convention Center before we
came on the air, and I got to see him again.
Paul Webb an attorney now in Western New York. And
my son will tell you, my family tell you It's
like I just saw him yesterday. I see him at
least once a year at this game. This is a
reunion for me. I'll see tonight many classmates of mine
and people I served with. Tennant General Gillian and I

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have a professional relation now now a personal relationship to
Superintendent of West Point. I wish I could describe to
you listeners and those who've never been in the Army
of Yavy game about the intensity of this game that
you feel when you're in the stadium, because it is
the last game these players will ever play, seniors will
ever play. There is my exception, waivers you can get

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from the Department of Defense if you're drafted into a
professional sports league, which has happened rarely. Keenan Reynolds is
an example from the Naval Academy of quarterback who played
for the New England Patriots, and he also played for
the Ravens, and he played for the Seahawks for a
brief time, of course, but by and large, it is rare,
to say the least. John Radigan was a linebacker from

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West Point. It played for the Seahawks a fe years ago,
now playing for the Carolina Panthers. But those are few
and far between the players. Tomorrow this will be the
last game of their lives, and.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
They play like it.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
The intensity of it throw the records out of the
old cliche. The intensity of it is such that it's indescribable.
They're flyovers. Then invocation by the chaplain before the game,
who always strikes a perfect cone and perspective of who
these young men and women are. And let's face it,
this isn't exactly a self lessed society we live in.

(50:51):
It's where's the instant gratification? Where's mine? When when am
I getting mine? And in college athletics, when am I
getting paid? They're not getting paid right, nobody's getting paid
in this game tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
No, and I own money in this game tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
No, zero dollars, zero dollars.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I could justman, as you know, I could go on
and on and on. I won't have to.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
But if you haven't been to the Army Navy game,
please do, please do any Eggar has never been to
the Army Navy game. This This is the first time
she's been to the Army Navy game.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Yeah, thank you so much for sitting down with us today.

Speaker 12 (51:27):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Glad to be on.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Is this the first time you've been to an Army
Navy game?

Speaker 12 (51:30):
It is first Army Navy.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
You're imprecious so excited.

Speaker 12 (51:34):
I'm so excited, can he Yeah?

Speaker 5 (51:36):
I was just going to say, can I tell you
about my first one? Absolutely? But I just was going
to say.

Speaker 13 (51:41):
People when I tell them I'm coming to Army Navy,
They're like, oh, that's bucket list, Like this is.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
The game you want to be at?

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, my first one was in Philadelphia. This
is my fourth time. Yeah, at fourth year in a row,
and that was it. Greg told me west Point Grad
it's the biggest thing. But bucket list is exactly the
word I used. So I'm so excited for history and
the tradition behind it.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
I think is going to be so cool.

Speaker 13 (52:04):
Let alone going like if you went to Army or
Navy the pride, you would feel what has got to
be just the best thing ever.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Thank you Anny, You are absolutely correct that so excited,
so excited. How did you get into this?

Speaker 4 (52:16):
And and I guess COVID help A lot of people
were in front of their screens, right, yeah, but this
is balloon to something big for you.

Speaker 13 (52:23):
Yeah, it was wild and I think it was because
it all started during COVID that we needed that kind
of comedic relief, I hope is why it was kind
of felt like the right time to do these videos.
So I had I was working in local news during
COVID and that obviously all shut down and we weren't
covering sports because there were no high school sports to cover.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
So I'd moved back with.

Speaker 13 (52:41):
My family because I had no money and and you
guys know, like the grind and local news, like you
were making nothing and it was such hard work. And
I loved the job, but I was working my way up.
I wanted to get to like ESPN, you know, it
was always the goal. So I think I always had
that kind of envision to get to ESPN, it said
some point, and TikTok was the way that I did it.
And I didn't ever think that it could.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Come from that.

Speaker 13 (53:02):
But I was in my child's bedroom and I was
kind of on TikTok and I'd seen some people like
all the content was COVID related, and there were new
creators coming on because that was like the time where
they realized, oh maybe now let's you know, I'll start
creating because everybody's doing nothing and I had this idea
to do this Big Ten video as if they were
getting the Big Ten up and running again during COVID,
and I did a roast format, you know, because that's

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and I didn't even script it. I just knew the
Big ten stereotypes from growing up in that territory. So
I did this video and overnight it had three million views,
and I realized people maybe want this right now, and
then I did the other conferences and that led to
these weekly NFL meeting.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Videos that I do.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
And she plays on the stereotype so Northwestern, a nerd
with glasses on and the party girl from Wisconsin. Yeah,
and that's how if you haven't seen it, And she
has different uniforms and she has different so the school
covers and now she's morphed it into the NFL.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Do you just sit in a woman cave and watch
every game all week or how does you get the content?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I do?

Speaker 13 (54:00):
And my friends will say, you know, like we'll go
to bars to watch games usually and stuff, but I
can't do that because I'm well. During the Sunday slate,
I have to watch all the games obviously, so I'll
put on the red zone. I'll have another TV with
one game, and then my computer with another game, and
then I'll take notes as I'm watching and then kind
of start writing up a script in jokes. But the
majority of the writing is the next day and Monday,
I'll sit there in research for like seven eight hours

(54:20):
because I could make any joke that I think is
funny from my perspective, but I want to hit on,
you know, certain inside jokes that a fan that like
mentioning a trade they made back twenty years ago, that
they bring up all the time. Like, I want to
hit those inside fan jokes that they have within their
fan base that you wouldn't know unless you do all
the research behind the scenes. So it's a lot of
it's a lot of planning, a lot of research, and
for like a two minute video, it's impressible.

Speaker 12 (54:44):
Sometimes on the tenth hour of editing, I'm like, is.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
This really two minutes long? But that's it. I mean
you mentioned that you you know, worked in local news.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
I've worked in TV also, you know radio like made
this lovely format where we can talk to you for minutes.
In local TV, I would spend a forty hour week
on a two and a half minute segment that gets
seen once, right, and.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
So I totally understand. It's that's so true.

Speaker 13 (55:11):
Like those packs that we used to do, it was
like a it was a whole week process for yeah,
two minutes of airtime.

Speaker 12 (55:19):
Transitioning well into the job I am now, but I
love it.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
I couldn't.

Speaker 13 (55:22):
I couldn't be happier, Like I'm reaching the fan base
that I love, Like NFL fans are my people.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I grew up.

Speaker 12 (55:28):
You know, that's how my family is. It's just the
it's the best job.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
So I I think one of the things too, is
that there's this stereotype or stigma that comes around quote
unquote influencers.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
But you actually it's a job. But you know, you
put a lot in it.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
And I love that you grew up as you know,
a sports media person. Well you grew up a sports fan,
but you're also into sports media, and so I think
people should know that about you, that you wanted to
be at ESPN.

Speaker 13 (55:55):
This isn't like that's right, get ready with me, but right,
I love and I love that, and I you know,
and this is no disrespect to other creators. Everybody has
their thing, but I love that there's so much depth
and hopefully it brings, you know, the content. People trust
my content because it's factual and it's funny, and so
that's always the base of my whatever content I put out,
I want to make sure it's a bringing something that

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people want to hear and that's factual and kind of
it's like bringing news to people, but in a funny,
lighter way. So it's it's almost like it's this new
age of reporting where you're still getting the same facts through.
You're telling people what happened in the game, and you
know Jalen Hurts had five turnovers, but you're saying it
in a funny way where people are like, oh, I
just got information on the game, but she also roasted
my favorite player at the same time.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
This is the voice of Annie Aggar. You probably recognize
her and get on Toctic and Snapper.

Speaker 12 (56:44):
So impressed I can mess up that.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Impressed old kids, So I thought, it's all good to me.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
It sounds like you did that.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
She's we're ninety three three KJRF from the Army Navy
game in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
So you make a living from this.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Social media has become where your television career is either
on hold or forgotten, and you're you pay the bills
and make it living bad in this right because of
sponsorships or how's that working.

Speaker 13 (57:10):
Yeah, So I do have a full time job as
with Chicago Sports Network, so I host our NFL show there,
which is nice because the whole being in local news
kind of helped.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
With that job.

Speaker 12 (57:19):
But it is it's wild how media has changed so much.
I'm sure you guys see it.

Speaker 13 (57:23):
People watch sports differently now where they'll get on Twitter
or they'll get on TikTok during the game. So my
best video is if I put it out during a
game they do they perform really well because everybody's on
during that, which is wild to me because you're not
watching the game, you're doing on social media.

Speaker 12 (57:37):
But it's like this community.

Speaker 13 (57:39):
If you're sitting at home, which is what I do,
watching the game by yourself, I want a community of
people around me that are complaining about the same call
that I just saw, like the same drop catch that
I just saw, and it's all on Twitter. So it's
just amazing to me how much it's changed. And I
think it's it's kind of going in that direction media wise,
And we just were talking about it like Radio Row
and for Super Bowl is so different.

Speaker 12 (57:59):
It should be all actual radio. Now it's like this,
there's people running around doing snap talk.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
So who monetizes it? Is it YouTube? Is it talk TikTok?

Speaker 10 (58:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:16):
So the base where do you make your money out
of it?

Speaker 5 (58:19):
The brand or the the.

Speaker 13 (58:22):
Social media platforms. Platforms themselves don't pay out as much
as you think that. I mean, they they pay out
a little bit because they want influencers to get out
there and put out content. But the majority of our
our income and all that comes from brand. So I'll
aligned with brands that I am either use and I'll
never align with the brand I don't actually you know,
represent or that that matches with my brand.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
So we did.

Speaker 12 (58:42):
I just bought a Chevy truck. You guys, it's my baby.
It's the best thing I've ever purchased in my life,
so Chevy.

Speaker 13 (58:49):
I posted about it just organically, and then Chevy reached
out and said, hey, like, we'd love to partner with you.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
So stuff like that.

Speaker 12 (58:54):
It's been huge.

Speaker 13 (58:55):
And I have my agent is amazing, and she and
I connected right when I first started doing the videos
and she's just been a godsend. So she'll get a
lot of these brand deals and but monetizing videos on
social media is not like the majority of people think
that that's where influencers money comes from, and it's not.

Speaker 12 (59:12):
Usually it's usually brands.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
So interesting, you're talking to a Seattle audience. What's your
riff on Sam Donald? What have you roasted him?

Speaker 13 (59:21):
Was all in on him, Sam Donald for m v P.
I was all in until he decided to see ghosts
again that one game. And oh, I'm sorry, don't they
play against coming ups?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Coming up?

Speaker 5 (59:33):
It's turnover game.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
You guys know.

Speaker 12 (59:36):
I love Sam Dardal.

Speaker 13 (59:37):
Good for him, like he's he's fighting against all odds
because the Jets just did him dirty. And yeah, but
I think JASN having like that. That team is scary.
Good on off, I mean their defense. You guys are
great too, So I don't. I don't include Seattle a
ton in my videos and people kind of get mad
about it. But I'm like, guys, if I'm including them,
they're doing something wrong.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
So I don't think you wanted.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Yeah, right, what So who who triggers the meter? Who
do you get the response? I'm guessing cowboys.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
That's a good question.

Speaker 13 (01:00:07):
Cowboys always Yeah, And it's so funny because the sports
talk shows talk about all the time. They always lead
off with Chiefs or Cowboys, even if they lose or
if there's not really a storyline there, And it's because
those fans are so they like hate watch, so they'll
they like, there's Bears fans watch me a lot too
to hate watch because they I'm a Packers fan, right,
so they hate me.

Speaker 12 (01:00:24):
But but it's so funny, how Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:00:27):
Cowboys fans will always I will always get a reaction
from Cowboys fans no matter what I say.

Speaker 12 (01:00:31):
It could be positive or negative. It's the funniest thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
So and I love it.

Speaker 12 (01:00:34):
Keep commenting like they're they're the people that watch my videos,
so I'll take it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Yes, Yeah, that's the thing, is like what apathy is
actually the opposite of love.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Hate? Yes, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
I'm like, hey, you know we have a text line
that comes into the station and you're listening.

Speaker 12 (01:00:56):
People do it on social media all the time too.

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
They'll comment be like, oh, this is the dumbest thing,
not necessarily in mind, but you know, I've seen it
on people's content and the people coming back and say, well,
you just gave me another view in a.

Speaker 12 (01:01:06):
Comment, so really like, right, you're doing the work for
me here, buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Yeah, fightings for that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Yeah. Yeah, Annie Agar, the organic Annie Agar is starting
from scratch.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Congratulations and thanks for coming to the Army Navy game.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Oh I'm so excited. I'm honored to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
We'll be back from Baltimore at the one hundred and
twenty sixth Army Navy Game live here on ninety three
point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You know what that means.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
The music doesn't mean Ted Kopple's coming on Nightline. We're
at the one hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy game
here in Baltimore. To back in Washington State, specifically in Pullman.
Breaking news that the Washington State Cougars have settled on
a new football coach.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Jasmine.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
Yes, Bruce Belman is reporting that the next head coach.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
And this doesn't come as much of a surprise because
it's been all over the place, but Kirby Moore will
be the next Washington State head coach. And other breaking
news how Whittingham was stepping down at Utah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
After a very very long career there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
That's another Power five job and a big ten, Big
twelve job now coming open late in the process of
the coaching carousel. But the Koug's getting Kirby Moore from Missouri,
Greg Woods, and the spokesman was all over this at
the Pullman Moscow Airport the other day, tracking him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Landing and showing up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
I wonder how this resonates with Koug's, with those who
wanted some native kook, some Cougars who will stay, and
someone who is are invested in the community, in the
program there and by all accounts, and I don't know
him personally, but it seems like he's not one of
those Kirby Moore, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Not one of those?

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Well, he's got a pedigree, you know. He certainly he's
from you know, the area.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Of course, he's from the Tri Cities area from and
the and the Moore family. And I'm not to say
he's foreign to Washington State or the area, but not
a koug per se, is what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Yes, yeah, exactly. But I think that the Kougs are
doing the right thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
I think the only hesitancy with gribbymore is the fact
that he tracks just like Jimmy Rodgers. And you know,
it's like, are we looking at another stepping stone situation?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
And I think That's what the intrigue with Rick new
Heisel was because you know, it's like he was going
to bring his son, Jerry, with him, according to reports.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
But it looked like a good idea.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Rick new Heisl has said so much on our morning
show that he would bring his son, and so the
idea there was that he would groom him.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
To be the next coach.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
And you know, while new Heel, you know, drifted off
into the sunset from coaching, Jerry would be there to stay.
And I think that had a little bit more appeal
to it, But that was more of a name splash.
Kirby Moore as someone who has been on their raidar So.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Jessmin McIntyre is a cydebline reporter for Washington State Football,
so she knows of what she speaks and the news
if you dis missed it again that Washington State University
is going to hire Kirby Moore, the offensive coordinator at
the University of Missouri and Missouri University, to be the
head coach at Washington State. Kirby Moore a native of

(01:04:13):
the Tri Cities, as it said from Prosser, Washington to
be exact, actually, and he with Washington State two a
Player of the Year Prosser, and then played for Boise
State as a wide receiver and then went on to
beginning his coaching career at the College of Idaho. He
was of course, a graduate assistant for Washington in two thousand,
UDUBB in twenty fifteen and sixteen. Fresno State is where
he made most of his in roads in college coaching.

(01:04:35):
From twenty seventeen to twenty two and then twenty three
he joined the staff as the offensive coordinator at Missouri
and that's a job he had now until Washington State
University has hired Kirby Moore. Apparent to Bruce Feldman and
other reports now coming out about Washingtonton coach Bryan Jones,

(01:04:55):
Brian Jones of CBS Sports is joining in the movie
Navy Radio. But he's shaking his head and now he's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I thought Rick and Jerry knew.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Today.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Yeah, but you're not the only one who thought that.
Brian is on the pregame show with Rick new Heisel
tomorrow at the Army Navy game. Brian, you sat down
and it seemed like it was the first time you
heard this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yes, breaking news. Good time to hang out with you folks.
From one of my favorite cities on the planet. Loved
me some Seattle and had some buddies that played at
you dub so I'm fond of that university. Uh as well. Now,
Kirby was the o C at Missouri. Correct, And they
had a pretty uh salty running game early in the

(01:05:35):
season with a maud Henry and then it kind of
dipped and then they got back to their running ways
late in the season. Uh, that'd be interesting. Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
He's from from washing Washington and central Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
It's okay. And he played at Washington State. He played
the boys, State played the boys. That's the one, Brian,
that's the one. Is that Kellen's brother, correct, Kellen Moore's brother. Okay,
So the concern from a lot of coops is that,
wait a minute, you're not a true coup. You're not
a I mean, you went you were from the native Washington,
but you didn't go to Washington State, didn't play for
Washington State. Are you then gonna leave as quickly as

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Jimmy Rodgers did by staying only a you're having a good,
great season, or nowadays, if you have a six and
six season, you can be eligible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
For a big power five job.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah, that's the conundrum, you know, are you here for
the long haul or is this a stepping stone? And
every place wants to be a destination, but you also
have to deal with reality. Uh, And I guess you know,
he could if he's from that part of the world,
he could get up there and love it, especially if
they're able to be successful and you say, hey, you
know what we're gonna We're gonna hang out here for

(01:06:38):
a minute. Yeah, let's do this thing. I've never been
to Pullman and have no aspirations to go. But I'm
not okay, I'm from love with Texas, so I shouldn't
be taking shot to Pullman.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
But that's Brian. That's Brian Jones Sports. Send your hate
mail to Brian Jones, CBS Sports, not the kJ R.
Brian Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
There's a pretty good one beautiful up there. I'll go
in this warmer.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
I've been sideline reporting for them for fourteen years. I'm
very loyal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, so I started reporting Beautiful be like you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
One day, I was just gonna say, it's like, oh
my goodness, does Kirby Moore run at halftime? Because I
had at least for eight years and he sprinted to
and I had to run and interview him at the
same exact time.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Halftime.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Man, he was at Texas Tech, my hometown. Yeah, lovebook
and that dude's a He was a hoop. He was
so much one of a kind. Yeah, you never knew
what you're gonna get, but it would always be golden.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah. Brian Jones a former linebacker. He was that. You
said that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Then he went to the University of Texas and he
played in the NFL. First of the Las Angeles Raiders. Yeah,
they were in LA at the time, at the Coliseum.
Worst team for me to go to because I knew
where the bodies were buried.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Then I had a little money in my pigget and
that was a team that there was no discipline, no regiment,
just show up and do your job. And they were
playoff team and I needed discipline. Ninety one Raiders were
coached by Artchell. What do you think Archell is a coach? Great,
but the wrong team for Meuse Art coach shell this
say much? Yeah, a couple of the veterans run. Now, yeah,

(01:08:13):
veterans run. It was a veteran who were the veterans team?
Howie Long, you had Tim Brown, Marcus Allen, Ronnie Laddy
come over from the forty nine ers, Willie Gault, May.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Mister Swerven, Mervin Fernandez still on that team.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
No, he was gone, but yeah, it was just chock
full of vets that knew how to be pros and
I was still learning how to be pro and I
was a knucklehead. Weston Moss was my boy. He went
out and played for the Seahawks and leaving the Raiders.
So but it was good times.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
He's now a call Brian Jones joining us here in
ninety three point three KJFM from the one hundred and
twenty sixth Army Navy game in Baltimore. He's now an
analyst for CBS Sports. You'll see him on the pregame
show tomorrow, the television pregame show before the Army Navy
game in Baltimore. You played major, big time college football.
What is your view of the Army Navy game? As
someone who played college football but at a different level.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
This is on that level. I mean, Army has given
the big boys fits. Navy has as well. Pegged Navy
to win the American Conference and getting to the CFP
came up just shy of course, you know, losing the
North Texas turnovers bit him in that one, Notre Dame,
but the wins over us F and Memphis, those were

(01:09:28):
huge wins for this football team. And they're a legitimate
passing team. I grew up playing option teams and they
would just pass the ball to throw you off their scent. Yeah, nah,
this is legit. That's an integral part of our operation.
And what Horvat has been able to do running and
throwing and hide and rich and I think Navy has

(01:09:50):
more weapons with Tesca and Chapman, and they played some
pretty good defense as well. Army struggled somewhat after a
fabulous year a season ago, turnovers and and missteps and
special teams and mishaps and but hellam's they gave him
the reins to this offense eight games in and he

(01:10:12):
is taking off running literally, I mean, he averages more
rushes per game than any one FBS level. I think
it's twenty four to twenty five. Uh so he's over
a thousand yards. Now, Well, they have as much. Can
they match that firepower? Can they get the stops? And
this game has usually come down to who can win

(01:10:32):
the turnover battle and handle the ebbs and flows of
the contests and special teams. So it's the inverse of
a season ago where Army comes in, Oh, it's gonna
be a cakewalk for them, and maybe puts thirty one
points on the board, which is unheard of in this match.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yeah, and then and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Now this year it's Navy with all the fans fare
and so you never know what you're gonna get. But
I know this, you're guaranteed to get a joke to patriotism.
You're guaranteed to get, uh, some entertaining football by guys
that really love this game, because there's no way you'd
go through what they have to go through outside of football. Instead,

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throw on those pads and perform in the mounta in
which they do, and they do it at any an
elite level, and there's it's so much precision that goes
into it, and it's football is purece form. That's what
I love about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
And I own money on the field tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yeah, no, no extra motivation from that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Jones, Yeah, sorry, sorry he was he was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Texting them people in Pullman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I didn't mean it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
You should see what my phone looks like right now.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Die.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Uh Yeah, I will I will.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Actually, this is the sports information director who doesn't sound
like we'll get an official announcement from the school until
today or later today, beyond the time that we're on
the air, But show them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I'm upset with him.

Speaker 14 (01:12:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I got to work with Rick new heis another year.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah, that'sb is not opening if.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
You're just joining us. That's in the wake of the
breaking news that Kirby Moore the Washington the new Washington
State coach from the Missouri offensive coordinator job.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
You were mentioning those who didn't make the college football playoff,
and so you got me at my wheels, turney, because
I grew up in college football family. I have covered
college football my entire career sidelines fourteen years, and I
look at this game. This is my fourth straight Army
Navy game, and now it's just my favorite thing.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
To do every time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
This year.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
That being said, I don't ever recall seeing Notre Dames
and Kansas State of the like pulling out of just
opting out like, nah, we're just not going to go.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
What was your reaction when you started, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yes, Manhattan, Yeah, coaching changes there, so I sort of understand.
But we've seen that previously, where you just have an
interim guy on the staff, take the reins, get us
through the bowl game, because you're doing a disservice to
those other kids on that roster that want to enjoy

(01:13:12):
a bowl game, and it might not be the sexiest
of bowl games, but they want to enjoy that and
take part. And the locales where these bowl games take place,
they're now taking ahead right because they're banking on literally
that influx of cash from the tours that come in

(01:13:33):
and follow their respective teams. So I don't like it
at all, just like I didn't enjoy our head coach
at Texas going around campaigning and threatening to duck tougher
competition in the future. Now, man, we're the University of Texas.
We don't do that. We don't run away from competition. Army, Navy,
those guys are gonna put it all on the line

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and then they're gonna run towards the fire. They're gonna
run towards the ammunition, not away from it. So I
don't like that aspect of it. Notre Dame Crying Wolf
and we won't. Really that is just whack. You would
have gone to a top tier bowl and it would
have been a great match up against another blue blood

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most likely, and it would have been compelling I think.
So I don't like it. I don't endorse it, and
I wouldn't suggest they do that in the future. Now,
as far as the CFP, there are a lot of
things I don't like about their whimsical ways, if you will,
because each year they trample upon precedents they've set previously.

(01:14:36):
I mean the whole Notre Dame Miami debacle, having Notre
Dame ahead of them when the headhead is the number
one data point.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Yeah, let's just get rid of the incremental rankings and
the shows. Anyway, what is broken with college football? Because
it's many? Whyw would you fix it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Brian?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
I would fix it. You got it. It's the NFL already, right,
So they need to op saying we don't want to
be the NFL. You're the NFL. You need a CBA collector.
These guys need to be under and ladies because they
transfer to other sports a binding contract. That's the biggest change.
Now we can possibly curtail some of this movement. I transfer.

(01:15:19):
I have nothing against transfer, but three and four and
five times my grandma would say, boy, go sit your
butt still sitting down somewhere and be still excuse me,
Grandma for ruining your quote. Make a yeah, exactly, quit
running from competition. So uh, those are the things that
I would implement to help change it. But when you

(01:15:40):
run it in the manner that some who were strong
arming the CP committee because Alabama shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
In there, Tenny three, you shouldn't, That's right. You can't
have it both ways.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Well, conference championship can benefit you, but it can't penalize
That's right. That's a bunch of bulldoochie who came up
with that. Is this just for participation a participation trophy?
We're not gonna hold that against you. Well, that's another
dad point. They look terrible in that game. Minus three
yards rushing. Is that screen championship caliber? No, but they

(01:16:15):
got in because they're commissioned upset about what happened last year.
Strong arm and these guys. Then you got the other
because the SEC is a cartel bron and you got
and the main guy carrying the water is the biggest
pocket of unplugged hot air out there. Tall skinny ball
hitded dude very much.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Appreciate yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to say something else the Family Show.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
So yeah, there, It's amazing that you have people in
the room with so many degrees and they can't just
make common sense decisions. But that's what happens when there's
a ton of money involved, and we see it in
other areas of our society. Uh So, until that changes,
which I don't foresee changing, we're gonna be right here

(01:17:06):
next year saying well, this team was done wrong or
that one was done wrong. And I was ready and
I didn't get all lauded up this year because I
expected saying stuff that's been happening. Going back to my
earlier statement, every year they find a way to just
trample upon things they have said that matters.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Brian Jones, CBS Sports. He'll be on the pre postgame
halftime season Army.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
It will be around today. It was for a rehearsal.
Oh my goodness, it will be a little chilly at
Baltimore to Little again. The breaking news Kirby Moore hired
from Missouri's offensive coordinator job to the new head coach
at Washington State University. Brian Jones, CBS Sports, thank you
for joinings, Thank you for covering their appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
We're live in Baltimore and more coming up from the
one hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy game live on
ninety three point three KJM.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Now back to our special'll Army Navy broadcast presented by
USAA and Baltimore at the Baltimore Convention Center. Here's Jessman
three kJ R.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
F M, HI, Welcome back, Go Army beat Navy. Feel
good for a Navy show. You turned into the wrong channel,
West Point Gutrick, Great Beltsamon mcadere joining you at one
hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy game in Baltimore, Maryland.
If you missed at the breaking news of the last hour,
last half hours, so Washington State University's new head football

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coach and putting to Bruce Feldman to the athletic is
Kirby Moore Prosser Washington. Of course, Kellen Moore's brother. He
played at Boise State. Then he went into coaching and
made most of his marks at Fresno State before becoming
the offensive coordinator at Missouri, where he spent the last
several years. And now he's coming to Pullman to be
the head coach of the Coogs. Coog sideline football reporter

(01:18:56):
Jessmin McIntyre's sitting right next to me.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
I am, and I have had my pulse on Pullman
for the last twenty minutes or so, I guess half hour. Yeah,
I've talked on various people, both national reporters and those
who have boots on the ground. There's also a report
out there that there is a mandatory team meeting expected
this afternoon. You know, it's only about two o'clock here

(01:19:20):
at Pacific times, so those guys, you know, they probably
have you know, bull practice and then they'll probably meet afterwards.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
But it's it's an odd time right now.

Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
As we know, defensive coordinator Bobb It is the interim
coach who will be coaching them in that game.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
But Kirby Moore was in Pullman.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
I wonder what kind of situation this is or they
gotta try to help each other out there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I assume he would coach through Missouri's bowl game before.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Yeah, you would, But this is just weird times with
them being able to leave, and are there any weirder
times than in Pullman, Washington right now?

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
From college football for the last three years.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Really yeah, no, there's there's something in the water there,
and I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Mean you have to look.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Something in the water is greed from outside the city
of Pullman. Now, let's face it, if USC and UCLA
did not go to the Big Ten to start all
of this, Washington and Oregon would have never gone to
the Big Ten, and Washington State it would still be
in a Big ten or Pac twelve. Maybe it would
be without USC and UCLA, which didn't become viable without
the Los Angeles market. But that is where this all
this began leading Oregon State in Washington State absolutely abandoned.

(01:20:24):
It's what I keep asking our national college football guests
of how broken college football is. They need to blow
the whole damn thing up because the money has become
so pervasive that it's perverse and it becomes a stuff
like Washington State and Oregon State are going through. And
it's ridiculous to those student athletes who sign to play

(01:20:47):
at Washington State under one coach and get another coach
five days after signing down at.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
The age of seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
You have to also take into account these families, you know,
these are coaches. Basically we're promising their parents. Also, it's
not even just the kid, Like who I sit down
in mom and Dad's a living room and tell you
that I am going to I convince you to send
your baby boy away for the first.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Time because I'm going to take care of him.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
Then Stu sues and then also, I mean, what kind
of schematics are involved, Like what you know if they
run a different kind of offenses, X Y Z player
not going.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
To get the same playing time, Like it changes everything.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
It is broken, and it's all because of greed money,
the haves getting more, the haves not's fallen away, and
Washington State has been on the wrong side of that
equation for the last few years. The purest game left
in major college football. We are sitting at and watching
tomorrow here in Baltimore, the Army Navy Game where there
is no NIO money. That'll be taking place tomorrow here

(01:21:49):
in Baltimore, Maryland, more from the one hundred and twenty
sixth Army Navy Game, brought to you by USAA. Here
on ninety three point three kjrfman.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
To you live from the Baltimore Convention Center and the
Army Navy Game Media ro presented by USAA in Baltimore.
This is our special Army Navy broadcast on your home
for College Football Now with Jesse mun McIntyre. Here's Greg Bell.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Thank you for tuning in the best show of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
In my opinion, I'm humble biased opinion The Army Navy
one hundred and twenty six Editions. Five o'clock here in Baltimore, Maryland.
Two o'clock back on the West Coast. Hopefully you're high
and dry and safe from the weather we've had in
the Pacific Northwest. The breaking news of the last hour
Washington State University is reported by Bruce Feldman, the Athletic
First and many others. Since they've settled on a new

(01:22:42):
football coach. Kirby Moore, the offensive coordator from Missouri Prosser,
Washington native, of course, played a Prossert High school, then
went on to play at Boise State. He coached the
College of Idaho was his first job, and since then,
of course, he's gone on to really make most of
his time at Fresno State in college football fifteen and
sixteen and graduate assistant at the Washington Huskies. But Fresno

(01:23:03):
State is when he first had play calling duties. Twenty
twenty two and now from twenty twenty three to just now,
the offensive coordinated at Missouri. Jessin Mcataryre's the sideline reporter
for Washington State Cougar's football.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
She's been talking to people from Pullman from the last
half hour and talking about a team meeting apparently that's
going on this afternoon for players.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Yeah, that's what the report is. So that, I mean,
it doesn't surprise me, and it makes a lot of sense.
But yeah, I mean it was the only reported coach
that was flown in on a private jet, so that
told me something. And I also know a lot of
coaches out there, a lot of people who wanted the job,
who were coming to me and asking me about the job,

(01:23:44):
which I took as a very encouraging sign because Washington State,
you know, sometimes gets overlooked as a destination for someone.
And I heard from a lot a lot of people,
their sources, you know, they're inside, their agents and stuff,
were telling me with they were hearing from the school
and seemed like a pretty narrow candidate list that they

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had right at the beginning.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Of this, and it's very good.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
You do you always have to have a list like
athletic directors always have a list, they always do. But
you know our athletic director got fired less than a
month ago, correct, So where's her list? And the university
president of Champlin there well, yes, doctor Campbell is one
that kind of person. She is very hands on when
it comes into athletic or when it comes to athletics

(01:24:31):
as well. I was just wondering how prepared they would
be to do this search with Jimmy Rodgers only being
there for a single year.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
So the way this works, of course is they hire
search at firms, and the search firms already have their
agents lined up that they can talk to and tap
in immediately. The fact that Kirby Morris from Prosser of
course entered into this the Washington native. But if I'm
a Koop fan, and the first question I have is
how long is Kirby Moore going to stay? This is
his first head coaching job, right, So you're in the

(01:25:02):
same situation that you were in many respects to Jimmy
Rodgers coming from South Dakota State in the first time
higher level. Now, Jimmy Rodgers, of course was a head
coach at South Dakota State before he came to pull
them last year. But now here you got a first
time head coach, Kirby Moore, who was playing college football
through the early two thousands, so this is his first break.

(01:25:24):
And if he goes even six and six in this
today's college football climate, you become a candidate for the
coaching carousel the next year. What did Kirby Moore tell
President Cantwell that said I'm staying or did he even
say that, or is can't well in the Washington State
University staff realizing you can't say that or promise that
these days, there's a large contingent of Cougar fans that

(01:25:46):
want that commitment. Why they want a Koug to take
this job at this present time in the climate that
we're in, and now everyone leaves it a drop of
a hat. And if as much as Washington State has
been burned in the last five years, going all the
way back to Rollovich and the Shenanigans and the COVID
testing and not testing and all of that, the upheoval
that those Koogs have had in that football team in

(01:26:09):
the last five years.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
The turmoil and the upheoval that those student athletes, a
players what's just call them football players because there are
student athletes as much anymore. They have gone through Helen
back to play football at Washington State and some of
them only stay for a year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
How about South Dakota State's players. They came all to
Pullman last year. Half of them are probably going to
Iowa stay with Jimmy Rodgers.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
It's a crazy environment. Kirby Moore is stepping into the
job at Washington State and I can already hear koog
fans I know and a son of mine who's a
recent graduate of asking how long's he even to stay?

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
Yeah, well, I mean I think that there's going to
be a hot list every single year that now, well,
when we do get around to getting an off, flags
are after you know, the president.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Now she's you know, she's got it. I mean they
are working, like you said, they have a search firm
and everything.

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
So it's those people you haven't But also, you know,
everyone involved with the school has to be thinking about
that as well. There has to be someone with their
idea of what they're looking for, because they're not going
to ask a search firm what would you look for
at my school?

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
But there has to be someone that will stay at
Washington State more than one year that wants to and
that's just someone that they need to hire.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
I mean, the more that guy.

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
Yeah, like I know that earlier you were saying you
thought they should have been a Koog and that probably
had a little bit better of a chance for the
staying power there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Yeah, I'd really be interested to hear what Kirby Moore
told the president of the University of Washington State University
to convince her that this was the guy to keep
her from having to do this again next year.

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
I mean, you could say, whatever he wants someone the
money comes call and I wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
And what else is he going to say?

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Well, then that's on President Camptwell in Washington State if
they hired a coach who ends up leaving again a
year from now, because that doesn't put them any better
than they were a year ago with Jimmy Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I mean, I mean, that's just facts. They need to
have hired a coach.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
And again, Kirby Moore hasn't even stepped in his office
yet and pullman, but you have to hope if you're
a wher Hell if you're a college football fan, you
have to hope that Washington State has hired a guy
that will.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Stay for more than a year or two.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
You have to, I mean, that's my hope.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
So and I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
President Campbell didn't hire Kirby Moore to think he's leaving
next year, but they didn't hire Jimmy Rodgers think he's
leaving next year.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
My point is, like, I.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Don't think that president can't well can control what someone
does after making that promise. You know, like I I
know that you want to blame it or you know,
put the blame if he leaves on someone.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
How about set the buyout of twenty million dollars or
something that something that might be something that would help. Yeah,
I mean, don't don't set a buy out at a
level so low that a booster to it. Iowa ames,
Iowa can pay it out. Yeah, that would help, would
it not?

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
That is a good point.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
That is a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Maybe he did sign that, Maybe he did.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
Maybe we don't know that that would You're right, that
would be real really literally the only way you can
get away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
And that's what it's coming to is that Washington State
needs to say boom.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Let's put a twenty five million dollar price tag on
you buying out my coach, and let's see how many
boosters or aame's Iowa was of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
I want to pay that, but if it's four million,
you're subject to this. I degree. Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
Now we can talk about real college athletics and real
life and real military. We're at the twenty one hundred
and twenty sixth Army Navy game here in Baltimore, and
we're proud, not only please, but proud to be joined
by two Army veterans. Zach Polega. He is a West
Point graduate, a little bit younger than I am, far
more accomplished, a former company commander in combat and then

(01:29:38):
he got out and has done great things for Team Red,
White and Blue and the four veterans and trying to
improve the veterans way of life.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Mike Saly Sullivan a thirty year Army vet.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
Thirty year Army veteran alongside he's also with Team Red,
White and Blue. Former Special Forces Green Beret Mike Sullivan.
Zach join us here from the Army and a game
on ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Thank you, thanks for having us.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
First of all, talk to us how you got into
the military lives It was it family? Was it something
you always had aspired to do, Zach. Mike, But Zach first,
go ahead, Zach.

Speaker 15 (01:30:17):
Yeah, So both family tradition, right, but never four. So
both my parents were enlisted. My brother enlisted as well,
and so kind of always grew up, you know, watching
the iconic movies, whether it's Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rambo et cetera.
And that always just playing g I Joe kind of
always stuck with me and really right, got after a
sense of mission and purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
So from the Midwest, from the South side of Chicago, yep, Mike, Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:30:41):
It's similar. And I always say it's a family business.
But the no career military. But my father was a
Vietnam veteran. He was an officer ROTC grad served a
tour there. His father, his biological father, died in World
War Two. He's a BE twenty four pilot. But then
he was adopted by another Army vet. And then my
mom's dad started at Annapolis, left to enlist in the

(01:31:03):
Navy to get to the war faster. And Mary's high
school sweetheart, so Navy guy. So the and then prior
to that, My great grandfather was a World War One VET.
So it kind of runs in the family and it
continues now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:31:17):
I was inspired by that was ROTC did thirty years
in the Army, and my kids followed in the footsteps
of the fifth generation. I guess both twenty twenty grads
of West Point, Sammy and Jackson. So yeah, the mission
continues with the Sullivan family.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Sammy Sullivan daughter we met last year here at the
Army Navy game, captain of the Army rugby team or
the United States national rugby team, and we met her
at the Army Navy game, both here at Radio Row
and at the game at Selvin.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
As you mentioned, she's quite accomplished in her own right.

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
Okay, I know, I know, you always have to say
that my father's here as well, and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
That's what he would say about me. But when I
realized that you were her father, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Literally, Streak, it's normal, it's normal. You have family in
the Seattle area.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I do, I do.

Speaker 9 (01:32:05):
So.

Speaker 16 (01:32:05):
I was born and raised in Yakima, Washington. Uh, but
everyone's migrated to the West side. They live in the
Samamish Redland, Redmond area. So yeah, they'll be excited that
I finally made it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
You made years in the army, Yeah, you made it.
Dream Bread Olympic. You know my daughter's an Olympian. Now
I finally made it. Thank you it is Zach you
went to you did You're the modern day force. Come

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both of you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
You orchestrated a three thousand mile run across America from
San Diego, if I'm not mistaken, a deck of a
carrier to the National Mall in Washington, D C.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
This year. Why'd you do that? What we What were
you raising awareness for?

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Absolutely?

Speaker 15 (01:32:52):
So one I'll give credit to timr WB are the
ones right that that orchestrated it. I just, depending on
how you look at it, had the privilege of running it.
But yeah, ultimately mission and value alignment, right, And so
I think a lot of people, whether they're in the
service or even when they're transitioning out of the service, right,
are still looking for a sense of purpose, right, They're
looking for community. And so for me, I saw the

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application to run. Probably can't say this anymore after running
across the country, but I'm not normally a runner.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
I'd rather be in the gym most days of the week.
I think you're legit runners. Actually I think you got there.

Speaker 15 (01:33:24):
But all that to say, right was ultimately they were
trying to run twelve veterans run across the country, raise
a million dollars to enriched veterans' lives through health and wellness.
And that just completely speaks to something that I'm passionate
about and something that I believe there's purpose in, especially
after you know, navigating my own journey and recovering from
injury sustained in Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
There are more than I don't need to tell you this,
I'll tell our audience. There are more than three million.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Veterans who served in combat in Iraq, in Afghanistan, many
of whom are homeless. Many of the who who don't
have the quality of life they deserve for defending our
country and work risking their lives and it's sometimes dismembered
and now are somewhat cast aside by society.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
How do we fix this?

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
This is an age old probably we know that this
is back to World War One, World War two, Vietnam.
We've all seen veterans homeless under bridges and not where
they should be in our society. From where perspective, How
did we get here and how do we fix this?

Speaker 16 (01:34:25):
I think from our perspective, and it's not exactly what
Team Red, White and Blue does, but in terms of
other nonprofits and actually corporations like USAA leaning into this
problem is where it's going to get solved. It's going
to take a community, grassroots effort that's backed by like
the corporate.

Speaker 8 (01:34:41):
Might of like USAA.

Speaker 16 (01:34:42):
They announced this Veteran's Day their Honor through Action program
and reached out to several different organizations looking at both
health and wellness, which is where a big part of
that effort your personal satisfaction and job satisfaction and then
financial security that really leans into this, you know problem
with our homeless vets and those folks that are just
trying to like you know, get back on their feet

(01:35:04):
and continue to get back after it. I mean, yeah,
So I think it's gonna take that effort together people
really kind of getting out and getting back on those
streets to help out do the things they need to do.
We can't solve it behind our computer screens or behind
our phones. It's gonna take community action and us doing
it together. So I think we're really excited to be

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a part of that in terms of the health and
wellness side of what we do from veterans and this,
you know, push to get the message out that our
veteran population is quite literally like an untapped resource that
can just take the nation to the next level. You know,
you may fall on hard times, but your service didn't
damage you. It actually gave you the tools, the strength

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and resiliency to get through some of the roughest times.

Speaker 8 (01:35:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
So I think if we if we lean into that.

Speaker 16 (01:35:51):
Empower those folks, you know, we're gonna we're gonna solve
it and move to the next level.

Speaker 6 (01:35:55):
How can your average citizen, you know, civilian help you
guys with this, you know, besides getting the word out
and everything. I assume there's a way that people can contribute.

Speaker 15 (01:36:05):
Yeah, absolutely, and so you know I'll answer that and
just add slightly to what Solly was just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
And that's you know.

Speaker 15 (01:36:13):
Also, movement is medicine, right, and so I think part
of it is there's this top down approach, right, and
you also have the bottom up approach where we still
have our own individual choices, and so to get out
and move right and to do that with people with community,
I think also helps kind of write lesson that not
having a sense of purpose and so all that to
say is right, how can people help want? One of

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the best ways, right, go to TMRWB dot org. Yes
it's a veteran organization, but it's not just for veterans, right,
So whether you're a family member or whether you're a civilian, right,
you can go on there, you can sign up, you
can get engaged in your local chapter. And then you
know that offers multiple benefits of one, now you're moving
with community, so yes, you're improving your overall livelihood, right,
and your health and wellness, But then you're also getting

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that shared sense of purpose and community, and you know
at a very tactical level that you're helping bridge kind
of that civil military divide, right that we still see.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Continue to exist.

Speaker 15 (01:37:06):
And you get a much different perspective exactly of what
Soley was talking about, of wow, like our veterans aren't broken, right,
there's such a narrative around this, and now I can see, hey, yep,
maybe this person is homeless, and maybe there's different circumstances
of why. But now they can turn to movement, right,
they can turn to the people to the left or
right in them just like they did in the service,
to help pick them up. And I think we need

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to start right helping pick people up a lot more
versus you know, which is partially asking for help and
recognizing that you need help, but instead of just like
pointing at you and kicking you while you're down.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
That's the voice of Zach pelega former Army Commander ranger
combat veteran wounded warrior Mike Sullivan thirty years in the
Army Green Beret. They're now dedicating their lives to helping veterans,
joining us here at the one hundred and twenty sixth
Army Navy Game in Baltimore, Maryland. Zach, we have just
glossed over the fact that you ran across the country
Forrest Gump style. How long did that take? How much

(01:38:00):
did you run a day? If I'm not mistaken, I
read your pace was like seven and or eight miles
eight min miles. You weren't exactly walking. Tell us about
the physical exertion level. How many were on your team
and how much did you run a day?

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
For how many days?

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Absolutely so?

Speaker 15 (01:38:16):
Overall three thousand miles, just over three thousand miles. Launched
from the deck of the USS midway and then finished
at the future side of the Global wan Terra Memorial
in Washington, d C.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
That's San Diego, California. Check a map out people, how
far he ran?

Speaker 15 (01:38:31):
And yeah, so there's a team of twelve veterans and
we so, like I said, three thousand miles average roughly
a seven forty three per mile pace.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Oh you were just slacking, Yeah, we were.

Speaker 15 (01:38:42):
You know, some of the altitude once you start to
hit the seven eight thousand, you know, feet in altitude
going through the rockies, it starts to get you a
little bit. But but yeah, and you know, absolutely humbling opportunity.
Incredible group. That team RWD did a phenomenal job of
right selecting twelve veterans that all each have their individual
stories that get out after resilience and write the ability
to bounce back and so his absolutely team effort. But

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sixteen days NonStop carrying the flag that was flown in combat,
right all to pay homage to returning home and knowing
that our service still continues even once we come home.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Sixteen consecutive days, sixteen you weren't doing like Monday through
Thursday with three day weekends.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
How much did you run per day.

Speaker 15 (01:39:21):
Yep, so I overall averaged two hundred and seventy miles
top person on the team. I ask you per day,
Zach per day? Yeah, so per day we were putting
in about eighteen to twenty miles per day.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Yeah, two hundred and seventy miles. You ran yourself myself, Mike,
what were you doing? Were you in the sag van?
I was taking a lot of coffee.

Speaker 16 (01:39:43):
He was keeping us fueled, doing some Instagram Yeah, so yeah,
myself and our deputy director were kind of the brains
behind it. So the the logistically, thirty years in the
army literally the hardest thing that I ever I can
imagine you would think that, you know, following someone going
steven hour across the country is probably pretty easy, but
coordinating hotels, gas, food, all the things, and making sure

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all twelve runners were raring to go. And they literally
carried a flag that I actually had taken to Afghanistan
in combat, so it was a personal story for me
as well. But that flag was the relay baton that
went across America as well. Wow, and it never stopped,
so that those these twelve veterans never stopped over six
You know that sixteen day period through snow ninety degree weather.

(01:40:31):
You know the altitude he talked about in the Rockies,
the plateau of Texas that just never seemed to ever end.
That you just the road was just this long straight shot.
It was an amazing way to see the country, but
an awesome experience as well to get the story out
about Team Red, White and Blue and these amazing resilient veterans.

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
That were just moving this thing forward.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
Before we go, I have to ask you, what did
you learn about our country because you saw it in
experience it in a way nobody ever will.

Speaker 15 (01:40:58):
Yeah, no, great question, Frank. It might be controversial, right,
but something that the national media doesn't focus on enough
that I think right, local radio, local news really helps
and that's there wasn't a single place that we didn't
go through where people were not coming out right to
the edges of their lawn to the sidewalks lining up.
You not even know what was going on, but they

(01:41:19):
would just see the American flag go by, right, and
they would cheer. And so when you look at everything
that's going on in our country, but to see that
when you're tired, when you're going through all the elements
like The sense of unity and the purpose that you
felt doing that and that everyone was supporting you was
absolutely incredible to witness and just right it continued to

(01:41:41):
give me faith and hope in all of the people
right of the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Wow, Zach Pelega, Mike Sullivan, thank you, not just for
what you've done for our country, which you continue to do,
and hopefully we can solve this issue for the veterans
and give them the lives they deserve. Thank you for
the lives you've given us in defending our country. Thank you,
Thank you very much, appreciated. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
We'll be back from one hundred and twenty sixth Army
Navy Game in Baltimore. We're live on ninety three point
three kJ RFM.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
USAA in Baltimore at the Baltimore Convention Center. Here's Jessman
three kJ r FM.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Back at the one hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy Game,
Live on ninety three point three KJRFM, Greg Bell, Jessman
McIntyre and joined now by Tom Theodoracus. He's the athletic
director at Army West Point, and he's not He just
took the job in February, but he's not new to
this game. He was in the Army Athletic Director deputy
athletic director under Mike Buddy. Mike Buddy became the Texas

(01:42:52):
Christian University athletic director and then in February THEO you
took over the job.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
And first of all, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
But can you, just as a representative of Army west
Point try to even put into words what this game
means to that community, to the Army, to our country.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
You know, well, first off, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:43:11):
It's hard to put this game into work, to be
can with you. You know, it's for me, it's Army
Navy is a game you feel, right, I think for me,
it's just it's very emotional, you know, and it's it's
it represents you know, this year, we're wearing a uniforms
that represent two hundred and fifty years of the Army.
I mean, think about that, right and how many soldiers
that represents. And we have an opportunity to play a
football game, but to also tell a story of the

(01:43:33):
amazing men and women who've decided to dedicate their life
to service and protect our freedoms. So for us, you know, yeah,
we want to be Navy, that's what we do. But
you know, there's just so much this game of how
it connects with people, how we're able to tell our
story on a national stage. I mean, it's it's hard
not to get emotional about that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
We were at the breakfast, at the welcome breakfast this
morning that they have for the media, and you know,
Braggs was saying that that. You know, it's like, Okay,
we want to beat each other in a game, but
then all of a sudden we lock arms.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
The second it's over, we.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Do, and then we want to beat him again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
The state of college sports, in football in particular, I'd
argue this is now the last pure major college football game.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
And you could throw the zoomis of air Force in
there too, but nothing speak exactly. I say that with pride.
I say that with pride. There are one hundred and
five players on the Army team, one hundred and five
players on Navy. The total nil money between those two
schools zero. There's not a player on the field tomorrow
that's earned a dollar of nil money that alone separates you.

(01:44:39):
How do you view from your a unique vantage point
college football, college sports.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Let's not even argue whether it's broken or not. How
do we fix it? And where does Army and Navy
fit into the future of college football?

Speaker 14 (01:44:52):
So how I see it in this turbulent, you know,
time period, is it's actually a time for us to
look in the mirror, right, rather thanocus on others.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:45:01):
So for us, it's let's be the best version of
Army west Point. And I've actually challenged our coaches and
I've challenged our staff, is how do we benefit in
this whole flame rather than look at what we don't have?
And I'll tell you where we benefit. It's the degree
from West Point. It's the opportunity to get your degree
in leadership, as you know, right. And when we talk
to mom and dad and we talk to recruits, it's, yeah,

(01:45:23):
you might not get that short term and I ol
money if that's something you're looking for, but look at
the long term investment.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:45:28):
It's it's not a transational, transational, transactional experience, but it's
a transformational experience that if you go to this institution,
there are a lot of examples of things disguise the
limit about what you can accomplish. So you can be
a general officer, right, we have a lot of examples
of that. But you also could own a hockey team.
You know, we have two lums that own NHL teams
ANHL exactly. I'm one Stanley Cup. So you know, I

(01:45:52):
think for us, it's it's selling that long term goal.
It's selling you, sir. To be honest with you, it's like,
you know what you go through this place, there's a
world of opportunity and that's gonna it's gonna set you
up for life. So I think in so many ways,
let's focus on what we do have and what we
can do here is develop student cadet athletes. Right, so
you know we make the joke our team photo looks
the same almost every single year, right, we do graduate people? Yeah, yeah,

(01:46:14):
well it's you know they do. We well have some transfers,
that's always gonna happen. But you know, you can build teams,
you can build a culture, you can build cohesion. In
this world of college athletics. Maybe that's the secret sauce
to a lot of things, because if you look at
the last two years Army Navy football has done pretty well,
you know, and I think especially when you look at
Navy of what they've done this year. You know, our
team we lost a lot, but the fact that we're

(01:46:36):
still bull eligible and we're playing at a very high
level right now, I think there's let's focus on what
we can do here, and I think that could separate us.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Do you have do you find it harder to recruit
student athletes are easier in this climate?

Speaker 14 (01:46:50):
You know, I'd say it's about the same, you know.
I think it's just tackling. It's really educating people on
what the academy is and it's not hiding from it.
It's understanding. It's trying to find those men and women
out there that want to be challenged, you know, because
that's still out there and there are people that want
to go through this process and want to grow and
to go back to my earlier point, you know, go
through this and there's a world of opportunity for you,

(01:47:12):
and I think a lot of people there's still a
world out there where there's men and women that want
to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
This is time Theo Theodoreocas.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
He's the athletic director at Army West Point during us
here in the one hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy
Game in Baltimore on ninety three point three KJR FM.
I asked this every year. I asked it of your predecessor,
Mike Buddy all the time. THEO there are a lot
of listeners here on KJR that would love the Army
Navy game. You get to the West Coast and the
Pacific Northwest with the military presence there, how feasible is that?

(01:47:39):
I know there's talk that perhaps Atlanta might bid for
one in a couple of years. It's rotated more now
than it ever has out of Philadelphia, but still on
Largia in the East coast.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Has there been talk of moving it west? It's a
very good question.

Speaker 14 (01:47:51):
I will tell you we're open, right, So, I think
from this summer and we go through this every single
you know, it's it's a constant evaluation of how do
we continue to put the game in the best, you know,
the best the biggest stage possible and also provide a
great experience for our cadets and and for us working.
By the way, it's not just an Army decision, right,
you're also working with navyes. So it's we have to

(01:48:13):
be aligned in that way. And I think as much
as we are rivals, you know, we work very well
together and we can say, you know what, how do
we continue to put this game on the biggest stage possible. Now,
there are inherent challenges right with what the game is
and what it's about in the sense of the core
cadets need to be there, right, So how do you
travel that many cadets in one you know, right across

(01:48:34):
the country?

Speaker 8 (01:48:34):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:48:34):
Those are things you just need to think about, you know,
because we don't just want to put them on a
train or bus and say see you later, right, they
need we want to make sure they enjoy it and
that they're they feel part of the whole, not just
the game, but the week where they can have a
great experience. So for us, we're open minded. I think
we need to be, and we want to continue to
elevate this game and get as many eyeballs on as

(01:48:56):
possible and make sure to tell this story to them
as many people as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
So we're open.

Speaker 14 (01:49:00):
But you know, moving the game out Western in these
other areas we just acknowledge, Hey, we need to figure
out ways to move things like the core cadets and
make sure that you know they have a great experience
as well.

Speaker 6 (01:49:12):
My first year here at this game was four. This
is my fourth, and so I went. Greg was the
one who told me, how amazing this.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Is four game.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
This is my fourth one.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Okay, so we're two and one. Yeah, right, Yes, I
was explaining that to you. Everyone wants to know your record.

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
So, by the way, you don't even cue me up
for that, like exactly, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
Yeah, But anyway, when I first went, yeah, it gets
talked about, it's bucket list, it's this and that. It
blew my mind away beyond what anyone had said. And
now I will be there for the march on. I
am getting there three hours early, four hours early. I'll
be there for everything. So what would you say to
people to kind of educate them, because I feel like

(01:49:54):
you have to experience, but if you want as many
eyes on it as possible, and if you want as
many people there, I mean, I know it's so cells
out every year, but what would you tell people out
there who haven't experienced it.

Speaker 14 (01:50:05):
Yeah, So it's to my point earlier, right, it's a
game you feel so as much as CBS does an
amazing job of storytelling, right, They go in depth and
tell the stories of these amazing men and women that
have gone to these institutions. But you know, for us,
how unique is it to have a march on?

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Right? No one else does that. You know, It's not
a lot of institutions can say that.

Speaker 14 (01:50:25):
Yeah, the flyovers, cannon's going off, things exploding, yeah, I
mean it's it's we do a lot for the fan experience,
and I think this game is so unique where we
try to embrace what these institutions are about. And one
of those things that is things like the march on
and things like the tsunami where the cadets you know,
are able to jump and dance around. You're like, those
are things that just make this our institutions so unique,

(01:50:45):
and we try to lean into that as much as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
So we're excited.

Speaker 14 (01:50:48):
You know, for for any individual who comes to the
game that they leave, you know, the Army Navy games undefeated,
people always leave saying you know what this, I feel
good about the country, I feel good about these men
and women that are going to be future leaders, and
and I want to go next year.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
THEO Theody Rockets, the athletic director at Army West Point
joining us from the one and twenty sixth Army Navy game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
You're a Syracuse lacrosse player. What is the coolest thing
about your job? Leading coaches, athletics directors, staff, student athletes,
cadets at West Point. You know, every single day you're
around just such decorated individuals and it's something I don't
take for granted. And by the way, that's the cadets themselves.
You know, just being around them, they're looking you in

(01:51:28):
the eye. You know, they they're saying yes, sir, yes, ma'am.
There's a level of respect, and they're just the the
high the level of cadet that we're bringing in right
now from an academic standpoint, and what they're able to
do while they're here. You know, they're building rockets right
right nost doing that. That's it's it's what they're doing
on projects day, things like that. They're doing things that

(01:51:49):
are going to impact this world. And how fortunate are
we to be around that and to be to to say,
you know what, you know, this is again to my
earlier point, the future leaders of this country feel pretty
darn proud because you know what they're going to do
some great things. But every single day is a blessing.
And I'll just tell you what I love is graduation
where you actually see him on the day is walk
up and grab their diploma, you know. And by the way,
they're not done yet.

Speaker 14 (01:52:09):
That's just the beginning, right, It's like it's just that's
the start where they're gonna accomplish some great things. So
to see that, to feel that, Man, I have the
best job in the world. You you, sir Harry Steward
of excellence. I appreciate you, appreciating that. Thank you for
joining us here.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
On ninety three point three KJFM, Tom Theo Theodocus, the
athletic director for the team that will win one hundred
and twenty sixth Army.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
About the Mariners. We can do that, I mean, Yankees fan,
you don't want to talk. Oh well, never mind New York.
Not the MVP race. He voted for Aaron Judge. Oh man,
that was a tough one. That was a tough thing. Tom.
Thank you you guys. I appreciate it. Coming up, we'll wrap.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
It up from one hundred and twenty sixth Army Navy
Game brought to you by USAA and Baltimore, Maryland live
from the East Coast on ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
USAA and Baltimore at the Baltimore Convention Center. Here's Jessman
three kJ r FM.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
Welcome back, Welcome back to Baltimore at one hundred and
twenty sixth Army Navy Game. And that's why McIntyre Greg
Bell here from Baltimore. The big news of the day
is that Washington State University has reportedly hired its new
head football coach, Kirby Moore, and the Missouri offensive coordinator
at Prosser High School. Prosser, Washington native, played at Boise State,

(01:53:43):
did most of his teeth cutting and college football coaching
at Fresno State, where he was the first time play
caller a few years ago, and now the last few
years been Missouri's offensive coordinator. In play caller, he becomes
the new coach of Washington State University, taking over for
Jimmy Rodgers, who stayed just one year before leaving for
Iowa State. Dave Softy Maw're back home where I hope
it's a little drier than it was when we left.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Nothing's changed.

Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
Man.

Speaker 17 (01:54:07):
Hey, by the way, how come you're the one that
always gets to go to the Army Navy game? Like,
were you in the army or something? I don't know,
you might jeez, I mean I was a cub scout.
Do I get to go one year for to come
on over?

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Come on over with. I haven't been to Baltimore for
thirty years.

Speaker 17 (01:54:24):
Nineteen ninety seven Mariners Orioles al Ds was the last
time I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Was in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
What shared a room in New York, Vinnie?

Speaker 17 (01:54:33):
As a matter of fact, Oh, wow, that's that's the
That's the biggest thing I remember from that trip is
sharing a room a hotel room.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
I bet that was a doubble. I left the scar
and that's for sure, both of us, both of us. Yeah.
But no, it's weather.

Speaker 17 (01:54:48):
It's broken here a little bit uh cloudy skies, but
no precipitating for now, so thank god. But we're hanging
up Tom's watch bar across the street from Climate Pledge Arena,
getting ready for a little viewing party. Mikey Benton's got
a little cracking mammoth viewing party and then as soon
as the show's over, I'm gonna jump on a plane
and head to LA for the final LA Ball tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
So there you got the final, the final Jimmy kibbles slash,
what the.

Speaker 17 (01:55:12):
Pump up, pucked up, bucked up, bucked up l A
Ball And now it's Gronk, It's Rob Gronkowski. Yeah, you
get him involved, everything goes to hell in a hand basket, right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
Uh yeah, that's probably why they decided, I think so.

Speaker 6 (01:55:27):
I think so I went to we went to the
l A Ball when it was the Jimmy Kimmelo Bowle,
and uh, they really get into the presentation. I will
just say that Jimmy Jimmy was heavily, heavily involved.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
Good probably lack substance.

Speaker 17 (01:55:40):
But you know what, I've it was on my bucket list,
honestly going to the LA Ball, and so I'm glad
that I got it under the radar before, under the wire,
before they cut it off.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
Before.

Speaker 17 (01:55:53):
Oh never happened to so far. But I've always wanting
to go attend and watch an l A Ball in person.
I'm being totally sarcastic, but everything you said for the
last thirty seconds I think this ball game is absolutely idiotic.
I think it's ridiculous that Husky fans had six days
to plan to get to LA in southern California to
watch their team play. And I'm not surprised the whole

(01:56:15):
thing's going to hell.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
So there you go. Yeah, what is Washington get out
of this?

Speaker 17 (01:56:20):
Another chance to play and get to nine wins and
for Jetfish to promote the fact that they took over
a garbage dump and then two years later won nine games.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
That's exactly it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Where are we at on? You think Jetfish and Michigan
is a smoke?

Speaker 17 (01:56:32):
Yeah, I mean, I just think that they would have
to go pretty far down the list before they got
to him. You know, I mean no disrespect to jet
but you know, I mean he's eight and four. He
doesn't have a signature win yet when he's at U
dub if he had knocked off four Oregon, or if
he was, you know, ten and two and going to
the CFP, then I could see it. But I think
Michigan's got its sight set on maybe a much bigger name,

(01:56:56):
and I think the name that they want is currently
getting ready for a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
By the way, in Norman Alahol.

Speaker 4 (01:57:03):
I was gonna say Norman Oklahoma, Kaylin de Borg. Although
if you're in Alabama, you match whatever Michigan. That's the
one school that can match whatever Michigan would offer.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
Kaylen.

Speaker 17 (01:57:12):
Yeah, I don't know if Kayln's about the money right now, man, Honestly,
I mean, I don't know if his uh, if he's
feeling it down there or not. Maybe he is, you know,
I think just knowing him a little bit, I mean
I was with him for two years, not ten years, right,
so I got to know him a little bit, but
not like I did other coaches at Washington, And I
think he would look at that as kind of a
failure if he took off after two years in Tuscal Lucid.

(01:57:34):
But I also think his agent has a lot to
say about these things. So Jimmy Sexton's like the new
power broker man of college football, and he's gonna find
some way, somehow to make his clients a lot of
money during this current cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
I can guarantee you that shot and in Impress is
making himself some more money going today.

Speaker 17 (01:57:52):
Well, let's see Pete Cavender, a former offensive lineman of
Boys State. He's on the broadcast with our friend Bob
Beeler for the radio Call for Boys. He'll join us
coming about three twenty eight today, a leash Sterling, our handicapper,
will join us as well. Hugh Millen's Gotta Hop On
Everett will be on with us before face off from
Salt Lake City and we're at Tom's. Man, we're literally

(01:58:12):
fifteen feet away from a bar. So Dick and I
really don't care what's happening on the radio show. We
care what's coming out of that bar about twenty feet
away from us. I'm a simple man with simple needs.
Big boy, that's all you need. That's right, that's all
you need. Well, thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
We look for that. Hey, great show today, by the way,
you guys shouted it off.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
I appreciate that, appreciate that. Yes, this is a special deal,
it really is. I'm gonna go have reunions with my classmates.
Jessemond mcintyren. I will spending the rest of the weekend,
including at the Army Navy game tomorrow. If you tune in,
you should tune in. You really should watch it noon
tomorrow and CBS. But really, if you ever can get
here to get there, Jessemine, Thank.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
You, thank you for everything.

Speaker 5 (01:58:52):
It's another success.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Up next, Say Goodbye from Baltimore, Go Army Beat Navy.
Up next, Dave Softymon and Dick Payne on Only three
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