Furness Show 01-02: Stewart Mandel, Corbin Smith, Greg Cosell.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in, Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy new
Year to you, Jess, to you Anders, Happy new Year
to one and all as we make our way into
two thousand and twenty five for a day, and then
we're off again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, but we got a lot of college football for you.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, first responders balls on tomorrow, but we get the
big one. We'll keep an eye on the game at
one o'clock here today, the All States Sugar Bowl. Like
I mentioned, we'll touch it on that with with Stuart
Mandel in a second and get a little preview with
him at twelve twenty today. It's one of those things
you have to obvious, feel like we get a walking
kind of on egg shows when we say stuff like this.
We talk about it, but listen, the reality is this.

(00:38):
There was a what they believe now is a one
man terrorist attack on New Orleans Bourbon Street, specifically the
quarter at French Quarter down there on New Year's Eve,
in which fifteen people lost their lives dozens of other
hurt along the way. They did the prudent thing yesterday
and did not play the Sugar Bowl that night. I

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don't think I know what they're gonna say safety wise,
and stuff. That building, and the Super Bowl is gonna
be there this year. By the way, that buildings is
probably one of those secure buildings I've ever been in. Like,
I wouldn't worry about that part of it. I think
they did yesterday out of respect for the victims and
rightfully so. But the reality is you have almost ninety

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thousand people in town for that game, hotels, flights, all
those things going on. Take the team decide they're on charters,
they can do whatever they need to do, but there's
so many logistics to deal with. And oh, by the way,
it's the first ever college football playoff with all these teams.
It was just kind of a nightmare, you know, all
the way around for everybody logistically. And again I am
not taking anything away from what happened. We all understand

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that the gravity of what took place, it just kind
of a really kind of a bummer to set the
tone for this first ever twelve team playoff. But they
will play the game today. The teams are on the
field right now, they are warming up, stadiums open. Because
I think there was a thought maybe they might even
postpone it one more day. But if we're being honest, religistically,
you couldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
So they're gonna play that.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
We'll keep an eye on out let, you know what's
going on between Notre Dame and and Georgia. As that
kicks off in about an hour's time our time. It's
kind of again understanding the problems. It's a bumber for
us on the West Coast because you know a lot
of people going back to work today. People on the
West Coast can't watch it. They're working. It's also a
good reminder of how dumb baseball is when they play

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all their playoff games in the middle of the day. Yeah,
I did think about that. If we could just first second,
take a step back. This is like this is another
like today is such an extreme example that outside of
like a nine to eleven situation in which the world
shut down for a longer period of time with a
terrorist attack, obviously this is this doesn't ever, this will

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ever happen hopefully in the future. But again it just
shows how how obsolete, tone deaf and brain dead Major
League Baseball is. Like what like middle of the day.
I got talking with some friends last night. My son
others like he's going back to school today. He's like
I have to leave like at eight in the morning
to get back to watch the game. Like everyone's like,

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this is a bummer. Yeah, but you know who does
this on a daily basis for two and a half
three weeks. Baseball does this during the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Why planned?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Why planned? Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, standalone games. I'm telling you right now, this is
what bothers me. That's why I have a hard time
even rooting for the Marriers to get to the playoffs,
because I know full well what's going to happen when
they get back to the playoffs, if it ever happens
again in our lifetime, they'll be playing in the middle
of the day. Yeah, and it's just dumb.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
We'll keep it on.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
How about Oregon, Holy Molly, boys and girls. Wow, huh,
how sweet it is?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I guess I only care because I do like seeing
Husky fans not like things to happen and go their way.
But that's such a small part of it. I wanted
to see a good game. And the weird thing was
yesterday we find out early that we're not gonna have
the late game. Okay, so we got the first two. Well,
everyone's thinking, well the first one and especially early. The
first one is just going to be an absolute nightmare,
not even fun to watch. And we've kind of haven't

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had a lot of compelling games so far in college
football the playoffs, right, like, it just hasn't happened. And
Day one of New Year's Day starts out with two
touchdowns on three plays for Texas. And those three plays,
one of them was a punt return yep, and the
other one was just a long pass.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Like, they had two touchdowns on two offensive plays.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
One offensive play. Well, yeah, they had two offensive plays technically, yeah, yeah,
two offensive plays three plays total. One was the special
teams And you're like, oh, this thing's over. Ends up
being a great game, ends up being fantastic. It's a
beautiful thing about college football is as many warts and
problems and blemishes as the sport has, it ends up
being just incredibly compelling themselves. Hell, you can make the
argument even Boise State kind of battle back as well.

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The final score doesn't indicate it as much Boise State
give And let's be honest, Cam Scataboo and Ashton genty
provided us a lot of excitement along the way and
prove their worth. I one of us feels really you know,
I'm vindicated here because thank you very much Jesse Palmer
telling us how Camp Scataboo should have been in New
York as the finals for the Heisman Trophy went. That

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guy is a warrior. You want him on your football team, Yes,
if you want to ask you, Jety on your football
team one hundred percent, all day and every day. Right,
those two guys. But Oregon, which should have been on paper,
maybe the most compelling and best matchup of the college
football Playoff, they didn't belong on the same field with
Ohio State. You guys all want to everybody wants to

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talk about, well, should the Big twelve, you know, and
or the Group of five? Should a group of five
team even be in the in the twelve team playoff?
Blah blah blah. The team that looks like they shouldn't
be in the twelve team playoffs so far Oregon is
Oregon the number one seed. Now we have also seen
exactly why they're going to revamp the system next year

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because and I don't I know a lot of people
and Stewart will probably bring this up. We'll see if
he does. I don't know, I know Wilner and others
have well the bye we hurts his team and all that. Yeah, listen,
there's in the NFL, there's thirty two teams playing for
a playoff spot. And once you know you're a playoff team,

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all you care about is getting that buy Now. It's
not as long I get it. You're off for about
fourteen days as opposed to twenty, but you're still playing
for a buye. That's I'm not ever going to buy that.
The buye hurts you. It's a free win. Yes, it's
a free win. It's a free win, and you rest
up and get healthy. And in college football, yeah, you
got a deeper roster, but really you don't. You have

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a deeper roster in terms of numbers. You might have
one hundred guys on your roster, but there's only you're
only playing forty five fifty guys. Anyway, you need that buye.
That's not what happened. They got out coached, they got
out schemed, they got out played, they got physically bullied.
Did Oregon bullied yesterday in that game? And oh, by
the way, the best wide receiver in the country just

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put on a clinic very freshman. Oh yeah, yeah, yah, yaya,
guy is good. Oh I don't.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I do.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I thought watching the Holiday Bowl that Ohio State was
nuts to go to make the Howard for Kyle McCord trade.
I still kind of do. I'm not a Will Howard fan.
I think he's their Achilles heel. But he played great
and he threw a couple of balls that were phenomenal.
So good for them, Duck fans, you gotta wait for
another year. There is part of me listen again, I'm

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so torn because I love the fact that when the
Ducks have success, even though they say it doesn't bother them,
it does bother Husky fans.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I love that. Oh yeah, it makes me, makes my day.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
But really, there's also that part of me that also
has that same feeling towards Oregon, like too bad. You know,
you rich sons of guns. I mean, you know what,
you had it all your way.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
This was your year, undefeated, the new era of college football.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I had people coming at me from Oregon with the
Heisman ballots that I fulfilled out and killing me for Skataboo.
And if you're not gonna vote for Hunter and you're
gonna vote for skettub have been Dylan Gabriel, Why did
you watch Dylan Gabriel. Yeah, is there any part of
you that thought Dylan Gabriel is one of the top
three players in the country. Nop and really any point
this year, noodle arm guy kind of a system dude,

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can't like, I'll go back, he's not even the best
player his team. No, I'll go back like like quarterbacks,
you know. And I think Notre Dame's got a guy
like that. Georgia. Georgia might be better with their backup
than they work. They'd have a guy like that, right,
you go through this. Gabriel couldn't do anything yesterday. They

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needed him to carry them and he could not do it.
Could not do it. No, So that's kind of funny.
We'll get to some Seahawks coming up. At one o'clock today,
Corbyn Smith will join us. I'm gonna say for us
kind of the second to last visit with Corbyn this year.
We'll have him on next week to kind of wrap
up the season. So we'll do that with Corbyn coming
up at one o'clock. The Pro Bowl came out today.

(08:55):
Devin Witherspoon the only guy on this on the Pro
Bowl team from Seattle. Alternates included Leonard Williams. You guys
have listened to the show long enough. You guys have
worked with me long enough. I really rarely care at
all about you know, all stars and Pro Bowls and
things like that. But I think we're I think we'd
all agree that Leonard Williams got snubbed. Yeah, yeah, like,
and I don't even care who's the other guys. We'll

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talk about that great Cosale. He's going to join us
day a too, since we don't have a show tomorrow.
Cosale is gonna be with us at two o'clock today.
We'll spend a little bit of time talking about the
Seahawks and the Rams in this exhibition game. On Sunday,
we'll spend more time talking about the Bengals in Pittsburgh.
A lot on the line for that game and on Saturday,

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and then we'll talk even more about I can't wait
for Sunday night, man, Like, that's playoff game Minnesota in
de Tropal.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh gosh, the playoff games right championship.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
So I asked, I asked Greg to say, hey, can
we just break down that game more? Because I see
how game's fine. We'll talk about Devin Witherspoon with him,
but we'll do that coming up with him. All right,
let's guys take a break. Come back Stuart Mandel, all
things college football. As we are about forty minutes away
from the dart of the All State Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
We'll talk to him.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
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Speaker 1 (10:41):
All right, Stuart Mandel joins this. This week we visit
and in some ways the timing couldn't be better. Unfortunately
comes with some tragedy attached. I say the timing couldn't
be better because we are about thirty eight minutes away
or so from the kickoff of the Sugar Bowl, the
final quarter final matchup in the first ever twelve team
college football playoff, But of course we are thirty eight
minutes away because they had to postponent from yesterday due

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to the tragedy the terrorist attack in New Orleans on
Bourbon Street on New Year's Eve, So Notre Dame in
Georgia playing a day later in the afternoon for those
of us on the West coast.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
But they'll get the.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Game in the teams on the field warming up right now, Stuart,
how are you today? Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Ian.
I appreciate you coming on. Let's first of all, just
kind of go through a little bit. I don't even
know where to start other than yesterday with the sugar.
But we'll get to the games on the field. And
I mentioned this earlier so people know, like we're not

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tone deaf, but there is a college football game. There's
eighty five thousand people that are in town. A logistical nightmare.
Was there any thought of moving the game, do you think?
Or was this always just still going to stay in
New Orleans.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
I don't think there was any thought of moving in
the game. But it was very I mean very fluid
yesterday right like they were trying to figure this out
in real time. You know, initially you saw the announcement
that it was going to be twenty four hours later.
But from what I understand, I mean, you can't blame him.
Georgia nor Name really want to play this game as

(12:08):
soon as possible and get out of there. You know,
they've been pulled up in their hotel for two days,
and whoever wins, they got another game a week from today.
So you know, I think, you know this, this is
not ideal for ESPN to be showing this ute game
in the middle of the day on a Thursday, But
you know, I think everybody came to you know, came
to a to a compromise. And look yesterday when we

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were kind of hearing about all this, I mean, the
details that the FBI came out with about this attack,
I was like, how are they going to play tomorrow?
It doesn't seem like you could possibly make sure everything's
safe by then. But it sounds like they feel pretty
comfortable about it. I've seen pictures. You know, the fans

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are having to go through a lot of extra security.
So I'm glad they were able to make it happen,
you know, and hopefully Georgia Nordan fans figure out a
way to stick around let's not if anybody's ever traveled
and you have to like change your flight and change
your hotel and all that not. Obviously that's a small
in convenience compared to there's the circumstances behind it. But

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you know, I hope that we'll see you when the
game starts, that they have still have a pretty good crowd.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think that's the thing that's and it kind of
brings up the bigger question because I know that, you know,
they're going to probably look at a lot of things
when the College Football Playoffs come to an end in
the offseason and the CFP like what worked, what didn't work.
You know, it's a quarterfinal game, it's a bowl game
that the Sugar Bowl, one of the big bowl games
in the past. You know, we've got what four big
major bowl games. We've kind of always had four or five.

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I guess in a sense, you know, the on campus
element seem to work for the first round Steward. I
want you know, Oregon probably wishes the quarterfinals were on campus.
I'm not sure if it would have mattered, but they
probably wish that would have happened. I wonder if there's
any thought given to having even quarterfinals games on campus.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Down the road.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Yeah, it's gonna happen, but I just don't know how
soon it can happen. This is not an ideal situation.
I was at the Fiesta Bowl. There were definitely empty
seats there. My colleagues who are at the Peach Bowl
said it might have been as much as twenty percent empty.
Not that you would know that from watching the game
on TV. It was loud, yeah, you know, and now

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the con Bowl looked out they're getting Texas, so I'm
tracking it will be full. But the Orange Bowl on
which is being played on a Thursday night in Miami
in a regular work week, good good, Well, we'll see,
you know. It's just it's asking a lot of fans
to you know, like there there were way more Boise
fans than Penn State fans in the Fiesta Bowl, and

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that makes sense they you know, Boise fans had a
month to figure it out. Obviously they're closer and Penn
State fans time out on December twenty first, they're gonna
be playing in Phoenix on December thirty first. From when
I was, I heard the flights for you know, outrageously offensive.
So it's it's asking a lot of fans, but there's contracts,

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there's you know there, there's just a I think that
the people in charge realize that once they make that decision,
that's the beginning of the end for the big Bowl games.
So I don't know, we'll see, we'll see how soon
they might make that switch.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I'm with you as Suer Mandel joining us. I
think because you know, we saw that. You know here,
I've got you know, obviously we work at the at
the station that's the home for the Huskies. What a
lot of Husky fans they are here. Remember last year,
just the logistics of trying to get to the championship game,
much less the Sugar Bowl before that. Things like that,
I mean it was and it became. You know, airlines

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inherently are kind of a little greasy. They know when
stuff's going to happen. We see that every year when
the Seahawks schedule comes out. It's amazing, like you, oh,
going to Charlotte on an Alaska's one hundred each way.
No scus comes out and ten minutes later it's four
hundred dollars each way. I mean, they know what they're doing.
So it's it's hard. And I know I know friends
in Oregon I used to work there Stewart that Duck
fans they sold their tickets or you know, didn't want

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to go to this game yesterday because they were hoping
there would be a semi final game. Obviously there isn't.
And that's not taking a shot at them. They just said, like,
we'd rather go to the semi finals in the quarterfinals
and bust. Right, So there's probably no perfect answer, but
I think we are learning, and this is probably the
whole thing, right, We're probably learning about receding. There's probably
a lot of things we're learning with this college football playoff.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
The receding will that will be tackled first, because it's
not that big a change, right, The idea that you know,
Boise State in Arizona State, who obviously quitted themselves very well,
but they were they were three and four seeds who
were ranked way lower than their seeds. And I mean,
Port Oregon, You're the number one team in the country,

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you won your conference, you're the only undefeated team, and
the bracket comes out and you get Ohio State in
your first game. Okay, number six team in the committee rankings,
Number eight seed and I'm at the festival in ten State,
who aren't beat in the Big Ten title game is
playing the number nine team. It makes no sense. I
think that all parties will come to that agreement, if

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not for next season, then certainly the season after that
when the new contract starts. So that's a lot easier
fixed than whether to take games away from these.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Major bowl games, Sir Manadeline Athletic Joint. So let's get
to the games on the field. Let's start first with
the preview. We got to the game coming up for
folks that are going to be able to watch that
at one o'clock, the Sugar Bowl, Notre Dame and Georgia.
You know, selfishly and understanding why, I was like, man,
that's a bummer. That would have been a fun game
to watch, especially after the dud that was the Rose
Bowl yesterday. It gets a lay a game, but I
kind of felt like this would be a heck of

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a matchup. Georgia goes with the backup quarterback. Notre Dame
looked really impressive in the first round. What are your
thoughts on this game today?

Speaker 7 (17:46):
I think it's strength against strength. Both teams have they
want to run the ball and they are great at
stopping the run, and who's going to be able to
make a few extra plays there? Now, Georgia, you know
this is it's a pretty big wout card to be
starting your backup quarterback for the first time in the
college football playoffs. I would just say this, and maybe

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I'll look like an idiot in three hours, but what
you saw from Ohio State lestray where they just kind
of and in the Tennessee game where this team that
was seemingly underachieving all season just like kind of woke
up and I was like, oh, yeah, that's what we expected.
Don't be surprised if you see that from Georgia. Now,
they're not they don't have that kind of offense. But
this is a team that was the number one preseason team.

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They've lost two games, both to very good teams, and
everybody would you know, as you walked them through the
regular season, they had a lot of injuries and people
were like, this is not Yeah, this team's not as
good as I thought they would be. While not taking
an account like they played a way tougher schedule than
anybody else. They played six teams that finished the regular

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six games against teams that finished in the top sixteens.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they come out and
look like they did in the open against Clemson or
in the first Texas game when they're playing their A games.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Going with the backup quarterback. It's I love college football
from this standpoint. You know, you go, Okay, all of
a sudden, we're gonna go to a backup. Carson Beck
is out, Gunner Stockton gets to start for Georgia, and
you know you'll hear the people all they might be
better off with that. Well, I always kind of think
if they would have been when they have started Gunner
Stockton all year.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
Yeah right, yeah, I mean Carson Beck had obviously some
really rough games with interceptions, but he was your starting
quarterback for two years and he was I mean definitely
a much from what I understand right, much more of
a downfield passer than Gunner Stockton. But at the same time,
Benners Gunner Stockton can run and that might be a

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difference maker against that really good Notre Dame defense.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I'm wondering too, like if if what we learned from
Notre Dame along the way in that first game. I mean,
they're gonna they're gonna want to. I would think they're
gonna want to try to, you know, like everyone wants
to established the run a little bit. But they do
have a quarterback advantage, right, I mean backup versus Ryley Leonard.
That that's an advantage for Notre Dame inherently right there.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And the other factor we have
to you know, we'll see here a few minutes, really,
but all three of the teams that buys doun themselves
early holes, which lends to the theory that you know,
maybe it's not that that's not necessarily an advantage to have,
uh have two weeks, you know, more rest than your opponent.

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Your opponent might be more is still in rhythm. I
definitely think that happened to Oregon a history that was
not the Oregon team we saw during the regular season
in Ohio State obviously caught fire in the Tennessee game.
So if Georgia comes out and stinks, then you know,
we might we might go for it for four with
the buy teams.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and I'm kind of I'm curious about that. We
talked about that in the FIRS, say when Stewmandel journats
from the athletic It's interesting that in the NFL you fight,
like hell all year if you're a playoff team to
get that first round by like that's it's so important.
It's like just a massively important thing in college. But
it's a different buy, I guess so now that I
think about a little bit more, it's a different buy. Right,
Like the NFL, you have fourteen days off in college

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football if you get that first round by now, what
is it twenty two?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Right? Like roughly twenty one twenty.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Two days is a regular buy during the season, right, Yeah,
we never had this. I mean, look, college football both
season has always been the teams take a long time off,
and I've covered many games where the first quarter was
rough and penalties and false starts and bad snaps, but
they both were coming in in the same position. This

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is the first time we've had these huge postseason games
where one team's been off for two weeks and the
other team's been off for a month. I don't know
that there's any great way to know if that's a factor,
because in all three, well especially the first two, those
teams are big underd ops to begin with. But you know,
I definitely think I mean, I have stayed oo eight.

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They were clearly ready to win that game yesterday, but
you just that was not or you know, especially an
offense like that was not Oregon this season. They were
the one team for thirteen straight games. You kind of
knew what to expect, and then they come out in
their biggest game of the season and just could not
have have been worse. You know, in the first half.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
We all watching now football over the years, he's just
kind of there's sometimes that snowball effect, you know, and
people want to argue about momentum or not, but you know,
two plays down seven to nothing, three and out kick
it down fourteen nothing, It is like, oh gosh, like
that's I don't care who you are. That's hard to
come back from. Yet, as you mentioned a couple of
teams did they kind of acquitted themselves. Boise State, let's
go back down that road for a second, because Boise

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State on New Year's Eve kind of getting pushed around early,
came back genty finally sort of got things going a
little bit. What was your read on that particular game,
because it ended up being a lot more entertaining than
it appeared it would be in the early part of
the game.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, there was only one moment really when it got
to seventeen fourteen where you felt like Boise State still
had a shot, and then and State came right back
down the field and score touchdown and off they went.
But I don't think Boise embarrassed themselves by any means.
Credit the Penn State. That's the best job anybody's done
against Ashion Gente. I know he got his one hundred yards,

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but it was a very very quiet hundred yards. He
didn't have the big breakaway runs that he's had all season.
And then you know, Penn State two running backs are
really good, but they haven't always showed it this season.
But they went off against Oregon in the stakes entitled

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game and they and they did again the other night,
and you know, this is probably the most explosive the
Penn State offense has been in a long time.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
That's what I was curious about, because you know, we
watched him play a lot this year. Obviously played Washington
as well out here, but it didn't feel like I
never felt like Ollers and Penn State had the ability
to kind of get explosive offensive. And then they did
it in the Big Ten championship game, they kind of
gotten a little bit of a boat race right with
Oregon back and forth, and I think surprised a lot
of us. And then they put up thirty one on

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Boise State. I was surprised by that. Maybe it is
the case of I don't want to say teams like
you kind of mentioned sleepwalk, but like maybe Penn State
just as one of those teams is just getting better
as the year goes on.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
I think so because if you remember the Ohio State
game that was a twenty to thirteen home loss that
looked exactly like their past couple to Ohio State, and
everybody of course said, you know, hey, you know you
had this this split seni offensive coordinator from Kansas and
nothing's changed. And then starting the next week against Washington,

(24:41):
every I don't it changed. It got a lot better,
But it wasn't you know, they weren't playing in big games.
It wasn't like everybody was tuning in to watch them
run up the score against Maryland. So now you look
back and it's like, oh, maybe we should have known
Oregon was gonna have, you know, trouble against Ohio State

(25:02):
because they gave up a lot of exposive plays in
the big tentitle game. But I saw pen State continue
that the other night.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'll wrap it up Texas and Arizona State thirty nine
thirty one, double overtime, Longhorns survive. They move on to
the Cotton Bowl next week. Cam Scataboo went bananas in
terms of his offensive production, but it took a lot
to get it going. There was nothing there early for him.
Before he did start kind of getting going a little bit.
He ends up with one hundred and forty three yards rushing.

(25:31):
He ends up with a forty two yard touchdown pass
and oh, by the way, chipped in eight catches for
ninety nine yards as well. But I think a lot
of people are curious, and I've seen like every network
referee analysts way in McCauley, and I mean everyone's been
weighing in stereotare all these guys, what does Stuart Mandel
think did? Did Arizona State kind of get to get

(25:53):
robbed a little bit with what should have been a
targeting call or what many people think should have been
a targeting call.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
The fact that the officials caught a break, that the
game went into over that that that that Texas kickers
shank the field going went into overtime. If they had,
you know, after that targeting call or non call caused
or you know, issue to punt, if the Texas had
come down and win on the next drive, this would
be like the most controversial targeting non call we've ever had.
As it is, you know, I see as you got

(26:21):
a new life. Sure looked egregious to me, Like Kenny
Dellingham said, I don't you know, like Kenny Dellingham said,
I don't know what targeting is. They they need to
do a better job explaining these decisions. You know, if
you have a controversial situation like that and and everybody
thinks it's going to go one way and it goes
the other way, don't just come out on the field

(26:43):
and say, yeah, call stands right. Why why did the
call stand? Explain to us because we don't understand targeting?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Why this?

Speaker 7 (26:51):
You know, was it that he wasn't leading with his crown?

Speaker 8 (26:54):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
This?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Was it that?

Speaker 7 (26:54):
Just give us some sort of explanation. Nobody's going to
be happy about it. But when they given how untransparent
is that a word?

Speaker 9 (27:02):
No?

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Non transparent? They are officiating? Is that it opens a
void for the Terry mccualleys of the world to tell
everybody they got it wrong. So I can't really you know,
he's a three times Super Bowl official. I can't really
argue with that.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
No and that other thing. Like he comes out and
says it right away. We have Gene's territories on our station.
He was tweeting the same thing. And it's funny because
a lot of times you kind of feel like those
guys protect their own but for them to come out
and like in unison, like unanimously all say that we'll
see what Texas does next round. Matthew Golden, you know,
if not for what happened in the Rose Bowl, Matthew

(27:39):
Golden would have been the best receiver over the last
few days. He had seven catches for one hundred and
forty nine from Quinn yours. But it sets up to
be a ton of fun. I would urge people to
check out the athletic The college football site is the
best period and a story a ton of stuff up there.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Stewart.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
When we talk next week, we'll talk semi finals, which
used to be the college football playoff right four teams,
but we'll talk about the semi.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
Yeah, we're just now getting to that point.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, we'll do that next Thursday. Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
All right, thank you.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
There you goes Stuart Mandel joining us. He's going to
jump off and go watch a little little Sugar Bowl
action as we've got to kickoff coming up at the
top of the hour.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Should be.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
We'll keep an eye on that game for you as well.
Georgia and Notre Dame a day late, but they're going
to get that game in starting at one o'clock this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Don't forget.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
We've got our man Corbin Smith coming up top of
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Speaker 3 (28:49):
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Speaker 1 (28:51):
Top of the hour. Great co Sell will join us
at two pm today. Normally a Friday guest on a
Washington State Beef Commission football on Friday, but we're not
gonna be on during a Washing Steep Beef Commission football
Friday tomorrow. Beef what's for dinner it is. We've got
the first responders bull tomorrow. Yeah, I'm happy about that one.

(29:12):
You love the first I I'll be honest with you.
I like bowl games. Yeah, I like bowl games. And
I know it's not for everybody, but as long as
people tune in to watch, as long as sponsors sign
up to sponsor these things, there will be Bowl games,

(29:35):
much like there is the n T Tournament and things
like that. Now, the n I T will see if
they ever expand March Madness, which is just the dumbest,
dumbest thing in the world. Like just that there isn't
one person outside of a greedy athletic director or or
conference commissioner that thinks expanding March Madness makes any sense whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's already.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Than expanding the World Cup. It's and the World Cup's
not dependent on people filling out easy to do sixty
fourteen brackets. Like understand that not everybody loves college basketball
like Gary.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Parrish, although he makes us love it.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
He does, and we'll start having Gary on in a
week or two. But expanded, no, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I'm pretty sure him and Orlanda against it, and everyone
I've heard. I just it makes no sense, no sense.
But bowl games are the same thing. Like I've got buddies,
you know on my text chain. You know that we're
all college football family. Bowl games are stupid. Well, tell
Brett Bielman and Shane Beember that they almost came to blows.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, you tell me you want.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
If you watch some of the bowl games will the
last few days, there are teams that maybe are disinterested.
High Alabama, how are you? Oh right right, I'll give
you great. They're not great to answer that question, every
every every school, every program, every player, every coach, every
fan base treats their bowl games differently for us as
Wazoo fans. Jess and I, I thought the Holiday Bowl

(30:59):
was a awesome and you know, and I didn't. I
never fell into the category of I think they should
cancel it.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, I never.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I know they physically couldn't feel the team right.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I never felt that way because they're still you know,
and I think uh p Klugus has said this. You know,
we have one hundred guys and rosters k twenty thirty guys,
aren't there A bunch of the guys that were on
the in the portal ended up playing. A couple of
them probably shouldn't because they didn't. Lost a lot of
dollars lost if you were a cornerback for Washington State
that day.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
One of them is now not in the portal.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
No, and he's not the one that had the bad game.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I know the other guy one got picked on, and
I mean one.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Badly, badly bad. I appreciate you sticking onund to play.
You cost yourself a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
But he did. And that kid's good too.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
But they but they, but they played that game, and
they played their ass off, and they made you believe
again in a little bit at least for me, believe
you get in college football.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Too.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
For me.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, No, I thought they all did. I think they
played well. They they did a great job. They fought
their ass off. Zevie Eckhouse made himself a lot of money. Yes,
I'm a cougar collective like he made himself a lot
of money. Good for him. Washington fans probably feel the
same thing. I mean, I remember hearing the debate with
our afternoon show. It does a matter for six and
six and get to a bowl game. I guess whatever

(32:16):
well demon can play, we'll see what he does. Every
Husky fan came out of that game, out of the
Sun Bowl feeling fantastic about the future of what they've
got going on. But maybe more importantly, watch the players. Yes,
that's when I it just I bristle when I see
the Nicole Auerbacks and the Brett McMurphy's of the world
that cover the sport, that seem to.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Hate the sport.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It just I like, it's not about you, it's about
sometimes it is about them. And if you watch that
Washington that sun Ball on Monday, those two teams Lewis
Phille and Washington, they gave a blank man and it
wasn't just about demon showing that when he's with the field,
they cared. They care. That's awesome. That's kind of what

(33:03):
makes it fun. College football playoff different story, you know,
then the different narratives, well, you know, obviously they all care.
Do they belong first? I mean there's people tweeting out
in the first two or three series with Arizona State
Scataboo's nothing blah blah blah, shot his mouth off because
he did nothing the first couple series that dude just

(33:23):
was a warrior and and proved in every sense he's
one of the elite players in college fotball. Yet a
Hi's been type performance weird. Yeah, anyway, weird, weird. And
then obviously, you know you watch the rest of the games.
I mean Oregon Oregon getting boat race was fun. I
love the twelve team playoff. I'm with Stewart. They got

(33:44):
to tweak things. I think we all agree with Sterotor,
Terry McCauley and others.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
There was a target.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
There were actually two potential targets in that game. If
you remember, there was one earlier in which Arizona States,
which is what you might call it, uh Isaiah Bond.
Remember if you saw Arizona State Isaiah Bond got hit
in midfield. That was with five point forty five to play.
They didn't call it targeting, but if you watch it,

(34:13):
it was shoulder to chest. It looked bad.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, those bang bang plays.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
And they looked at it wasn't but the one with
one fifteen left Stewart's right. They kind of got bailed
out because Texas missed the field goal. But I guess
I'd also argue that they didn't get it right because
they missed the target. Like am I missing? Did you
do you guys think it was a target. Yeah, yeah,
like right, I mean got Stollwall got just killed helmet
to helmet. We I think are more prone to looking

(34:41):
at it from this standpoint. We've watched Pac twelve football
since two thousand. They put the rule in two thousand
and eight, and it felt like, yeah, that wasn't targeting,
that wasn't target It was I know it was targeting,
but it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
That was like the only targeting in the Pac twelve
history that wasn't called because we were so like this
conference ever were viewing this conference.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Went over the top with targeting over the ears.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yes, but when you see a play like that, Arizona State,
not a blue blood, could have won the game. Now,
their field goal kicking was an adventure, but who's to
say they don't. I mean, they would have put the
ball at the thirty eight yard line. I think something
like that a touchdown, and they could have scored a touchdown.
They could have got a shot field goal, right, they

(35:23):
could have done a lot of different things, and.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
It's hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's hard to believe that there wasn't some sort of
subjective influence going on. Texas going to play in the
Cotton Bowl next week or Arizona State going to play
in the Cotton Bowl next week.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
I wonder which one the networks would rather happen the
new SEC Texas.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I just it's one of those when you see a
play like that happen and it's not called, you question
a lot of things agreed. Now in the end, Texas
is probably better football team, will probably a better matchup whatever,
But Arizona State got host.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I mean, they just got host.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And it just there's no other way abound it, especially
when all these officials that do the networks when they're
all coming out and saying was a target, and those
guys usually protect their own big time. So all right,
Seahawks wrapping up the regular season with a game that's
about as compelling as one of those preseason games in August.

(36:21):
But there's a lot to discuss with the Seahawks, and
we'll do with our friend Corbin Smith.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Next.

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final quarterfinal matchup delayed one day, of course after yesterday's tragedy.

(36:53):
Actually on this be Tuesday night's tragedy in New Orleans.
So that game kicking off between Georgia and Dame in
just a couple moments. We'll keep you updated on how
that one goes. Of course, yesterday in the quarterfinals, Ohio
State over the Oregon Ducks forty one twenty one, just
blew them out of the water.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
That game wasn't even close. Like that one said as well.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Texas knocks off in double overtime Arizona State. Along the way,
zebbi Ekus entered the transfer portal Washington State's quarterback in
the Holiday BWL after having a three hundred and sixty
three yard day, entered and then pulled out. He's back
going to Wazoo as his wide receiver. Josh Meredith Kraken
take on the Canucks tonight in a rematch of the
rivalry that took place last Saturday.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Maybe a springboard game for the Kraken.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
They came back for a five to four overtime win
last Saturday, followed up with a win against Utah on Monday,
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Hello sir, how are you.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's nice to be back in the saddle again.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
It's been a couple of weeks with all the holiday
stuff going on and everything, and I was hoping we'd
be talking about a huge game on Sunday in Los
Angeles at SOFI Stadium, but unfortunately that will not be
the case this coming week. Is the Seahawks were left
on the outside looking in when you look back on
the year, and we'll kind of do more of a
bigger deep dive recap next week, but when you look

(39:11):
back at what happened, if you could just point to
just I'm gonna say, give me one thing. What's the
one thing that you look back on this season where
even with a ten win season, which they could certainly
get on Sunday, it went south and they didn't get
into the postseason.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
What would it be?

Speaker 9 (39:26):
Well, it's easy to point to the Giants loss as
the biggest reason why the Seahawks are sitting at home,
But I think that that is kind.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Of overlooking what really has been the big.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Issue their nineteenth is scoring per game this year with
the offensive weapons that they have, and that, to me
is the reason that the Seahawks are on the outside
looking in when it comes to the playoffs. If this
offense would have been even a twelfth or thirteenth ranked
scoring offense and just put a few more points on
the board, they probably win.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
That Giants game.

Speaker 9 (40:00):
Beat the Rams the first time they play them, and
you can look at the quarterback with some of the
red zone interceptions. You obviously can point to the scheme
the lack of a run game, But to me, that
has been the biggest disappointment this year is just the
fact that as the year progressed, it seems like.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
The offense didn't improve, it got worse.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
In fact, well, that brings us to what we'll talk
more about next week. But I can't just leave it
at that because I saw you on Twitter today, people
going around You're kind of like you didn't say anything
about Grubb. You just said if they do look around
here some options along the way. How would you evaluate
Ryan Grubb with one game to go.

Speaker 9 (40:36):
I don't know that this game is going to change
anything we shall see. I mean, you're going against a
team that's gona be playing most of the backups, so
the offense goes out and lights it up.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It's kind of gonna be taken with a grain of salt.

Speaker 9 (40:49):
I don't know if it is given that he is
going to be gone next week, but it just feels like,
philosophically ian that what Mike McDonald wants to do coming
from Baltimore, you know, he wants to run the football
more and better than what they have done this year.
I just feel like philosophically that you have seen what

(41:11):
Ryan greb is end of the seasons has progressed, just
continuing to air it out and shot gun heavy, not
much play action, even when the run game's gotten going
in the last month.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
It just seems like there's just been too many.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
Times where he's kind of turned the other cheek let's
just throw the ball, and it's led to some disastrous things.
I just wonder if, philosophically, at this point, if Mike
McDonald's just gonna feel like, you know what, we need
to have a fresh start. He needs to have a
fresh start I would actually be somewhat surprised if he's
still the coordinator next week.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
That's just my viewpoint. At this point.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
When he was hired, there was so much excitement obviously
because of what he had done at Washington, and he's
a local guy, so it was, you know, because of that.
It was very close to us, very intimate to everybody
here in this market. Whether you're a Husky fan or not,
you knew about Ryan Grubb and you impressed by what
he did with Michael Panics along the way. If they
do let him go after one year, I kind of

(42:10):
think it's maybe more of an indictment on McDonald than
it is on Ryan Grubb. To be honest with you,
Corban one man's opinion, but like you knew what you
should know what you were getting with this guy. You
could watch His body of work was right there in
front of us for the you know, for twenty four
games the previous two years.

Speaker 9 (42:27):
I understand what you're saying, but I think you also
have to put John Schneider in that discussion too, because
John Schneider was actively involved with helping build that Coachi staff,
which let's face it, they hired Mike McDonald near the
end of that cycle, where almost every other team had
hired their head coaches to that point, and the pickings

(42:47):
for offensive coordinators was thinner than what it would have
been if he had been hired a week and a
half earlier. And obviously the Raven's going on a playoff
run impacted that as well. So I think there's an
number of factors there. But yeah, I mean I was
a little surprised. I thought Grubb could be successful at
the NFL level. I was excited about the higher but

(43:08):
I did wonder a little bit when they made that decision.
It seems like it might not necessarily match up because
you're talking about Mike McDonald coming from Baltimore where they
love to run the ball, and he is a physical
minded coach, like he wants to have a physical football team,
and then Ryan Grubb that wasn't necessarily his m when
he was at Washington. So I think that you can

(43:29):
point in a number of people.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
If that ends up being what they do.

Speaker 9 (43:32):
Who knows, maybe they look back and say, you know what,
we think with another offseason that he.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Can learn from this. But it does feel like there
hasn't been.

Speaker 9 (43:40):
The adjustments needed to be made is the year's going on,
and that stubborn IFFs I think has impacted the bottom
line in terms of the points they're putting on the board.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I brought this number up on Monday, Corman Smith joining
us sold by Jim with two MS dot Com. I
brought this number up Monday because the thing that I
look at offensively with this team, as you mentioned, the
total points, the average twenty one point six points a game,
you know, kind of lower third of the league. But
the number that jumped out at me, and I think
this is if we're going to look through the year
and what happened and how it happened, it's fifty nine

(44:11):
point h nine percent, thirtieth in the league. That's goal
to goal percentage, first in goal and there and they
were they were less than sixty percent this season. I
just think that that that would be an indictment on
Ryan Grubb, and I think it's certainly an indictment on
Gino Smith because if you want to look at where
the games are lost, it's right there.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, And I think you can also look at it.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
Look Gino Smith's made some bad decisions and that is
something that you cannot overlook.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
But I also think that you look at the fact.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
I'll just point to that Packers game for example, when
they got into the red zone, it was three straight
plays shotgun and pass. There wasn't even an effort made
to try to run the ball in the red zone,
and that happened way too many times this year. And
opponents didn't respect the run gate, so they were putting
seven eight guys back. They were setting all out blitz in.
This offensive line couldn't handle it. The quarterback with putting

(45:04):
some tough spots. The entire red zone offense operation. It's
crazy because early in the year they actually had success
running the football and they racked up a bunch of touchdowns.
But the second half they were one of the worst
rushing teams in the red zone and they just didn't
do it enough either. So you keep putting all this
stuff together and you lump everything that went wrong. It's

(45:25):
like there's only one person that you can put most
of the blame on this for and whether fair or not,
it is the play caller and the inability to be
able to scheme up with all the talent they have
to scheme up.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
To score more points.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Well, in the John Schneider factor, you brought him up
and Hugh Millen on my show Monday and Hardcore Football,
and I guess he did it again today on the
Seahawk Roundtable. Brought up John Schneider's name and the lack
of success they've had in the personnel decisions over the
in this past offseason, but then just since twenty ten,
the lack of success they've had drafting offensive linemen. They've

(45:57):
gone heavy offensive linemen in from the draft Capital, heavier
than all but two teams in the league, and it
just hasn't worked out. But those are probably conversations for
next week when this thing's all put to bed. So
let's talk about about Sunday.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
What is the goal? What do you think is the
goal you want to win?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I get all that you're playing a team that's already
locked into a playoff spot. Although it's interesting, right because
they can I believe right they can. Actually they they
they being the LA Rams can actually help or sort
of hurt themselves if you want to look at just
matchups in terms of the first round, right, because if
they if they were to drop and end up being

(46:36):
the number four seed, that's a that's a hell of
a first round matchup. Right, you get the the loser
of Detroit in Minnesota as opposed to probably Washington.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
If you stay where you are at number three.

Speaker 9 (46:47):
Well, I'm gonna maybe surprise some people here, but I
would not see really much of a difference there. I
think Washington is dangerous and Jaydon Daniels is the truth.
I mean, I think Soda and Detroit are obviously really
good football teams, but Detroit's defense has been decimating by injuries.
Minnesota Seattle should have a couple of weeks ago. Like

(47:09):
to me, they're a really good team, but they definitely
are beatable.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
So I don't know that that's.

Speaker 9 (47:13):
Something that would have been worth the risk of playing
starters for, to be honest with you, so I can
understand why they're playing that strategy instead of saying, let's
make sure that we see is that number three spot?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
You want to be healthy?

Speaker 9 (47:26):
And I don't know there is that big of a
difference between those three teams that we just mentioned there.
So I just think from that strategy standpoint, I completely
understand where Sean McVay is going by deciding to rest
as many of those.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Guys as he can. What's Seattle's goal? Do you think
go up, put up as many points you can, and
end of the year in a strong no. And you know,
Ryan Grubb, hey, if you want to salvage your job
if it really is on the line, who knows if
it is or not.

Speaker 9 (47:54):
But you've got to go out against a team it's
not gonna be played starters, and you're playing yours for
the most.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
You've got to put points on the board.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
And then you've got a number of guys out there
that have a chance to set either franchise marks or
personal bets.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
You've got Lender Williams and the chance to get ten sacks.

Speaker 9 (48:11):
Derek Halls only two stacks away, Jack Smith and Jigbuck
can break Tyler Lockett single season or reception record one
hundred and eighty four yards. That might seem crazy, but
he had what eighty against the Rams in Week nine.
If he gets to one eighty four, he also sets
the new record for receiving yards in the season for
the Seahawks. So there are all those different milestones that
are at play. But obviously that tenth win, they haven't

(48:33):
had it since twenty twenty. If Mike McDonald does that,
that at least is a feather in his cap go
to next year. We won DOUBLEGG games. We can build
off of that. It's twenty twenty five colors Smith joining us. Yeah,
I know what you're saying, and it's good for Mike McDonald.
To me, the NFL is about a simple thing. It's
getting to the playoffs, and so no matter what happens,
it's not a successful season, but there are those individual marks.

(48:55):
And then one of those individual marks is coming into
play is Gino Smith has some contract bonuses, some incentives
along the way that could come in. And I'm I'm
so torn, But I also kind of also think to myself,
maybe this just is it tells you exactly what they
feel about Sam Hell, because I think it would have
been a perfect game to start Sam Hell and see

(49:17):
if there's anything there, not when he's got to come
in relief, not when he's garbage. Just start the guy,
give him the reps this week and start him. But
listening to Mike McDonald yesterday, with Geno's incentives and the
money he can make and all those different things, they're
obviously not going to do that. Do you think it's
a mistake or do you think, hey, they've seen enough
of Sam Hall in practice they know that what they
do or probably don't have. This is really, as you said,

(49:40):
this is a tough situation to look at because you
can look on my social media. I mentioned after the
Seahawks get eliminated that you know, Sam Howe playing in
this game should be on the menu. But I also
understand what you could do from a locker room standpoint,
like Geno Smith is loved.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
In that locker room, and if you took the football.

Speaker 9 (50:01):
Out of his hands and prevented him from having the
opportunity to get two million dollars for eclipsing his passing
yardage mark and prevent him from getting that tenth win
by starting, you know, and that you're talking four million
dollars there, I think that that would create some major
issues in the locker room to end the season. And

(50:23):
so I completely understand why he's.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Going there, right and look, end of the day wins.
That is what everybody has gauged on. He's going to
play the best players.

Speaker 9 (50:32):
And I think it also does tell you with his
response yesterday about Sam how that no, we're not going
to play him unless we absolutely have to.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
That kind of tells you where things stand. As far
as I'm concerned. Yeah, no, I think I think, Yeah,
there's two things. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I don't know if you could truly, I don't think
you can do that in terms of in terms of
what what he has, what he being Gino Smith has
on the line. I don't I don't think you could
do that in good conscience and say, hey, you're gonna
you're gonna sick because we're gonna take a look at
Sam Howe with those contract incentives along the way.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I do know this. I think I think Greg mentioned
this day. You probably know this as well.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
One of his incentives, which I think is also worth
two million, is is completion percentage, which is right now
he's run on the cusp. I think it's seventy percent
he gets the bonus for and he's at seventy point two.
That to me, Corbyn is one of those ones where
I'm like, if I'm Geno in the back of my mind,
is it gonna be? I just felt like it's been
checked down Charlie for a long time, like and I

(51:33):
hate that, like I take a shot like he did
it early in the year, but the last few weeks
it hasn't been the case.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 9 (51:42):
There might be some gun shy play coming in there
because of the offensive line. There could be some other
factors that are play there at play calling can be
part of that mix as well.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
But you know, you look at it from that perspective, like, Hey,
that two million dollars is already in the bag.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
You know, you're hoping you don't lose that money this weekend.
If his completion percentage somehow slips, he would need to
have a pretty bad game for that to happen. But
you know, at the end of the day, this game,
the sense is there, whether Mike mcgonald me, he made
it mention yesterday, we're gonna do what we can as
long as it's within the con you know, the lines
of winning this football game. They're gonna do what they

(52:19):
can to help their guys try to get to those
numbers that are gonna help with finances. And you know,
if Sam how, if Sam Hell was gonna play in
the second half or something, Seattle came out and let
Geno get a couple of those incentives early and then
played him.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
You know, I could understand.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
I don't think that the locker room would be upset
about that, But it doesn't sound like they're gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
So again, it's pretty telling to me what they're thinking
on that front.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, and I think it also tells you as much
as you want to know about Sam how too. All right,
before I let you go, you know, we the Pro
Bowls and all our Star Games and all that kind
of stuff. Individual accolades or some people care, some people don't,
but they didn't come out today, So let's discuss anyway.
First of all, Devin Witherspoon just to I, I got
great Coseell coming on at two o'clock today. We'll talk

(53:03):
to him about it too. I love the Witherspoon one
for this reason. He plays a position that oftentimes guys
are graded on, Oh, how many interceptions did you have?
How many you know, pick sixes did you have? How
many fumbles did you force or recover? Devin Witherspoon is
not a traditional stat machine. But Devin Witherspoon is just
a great football player. So I'd love to see him

(53:23):
get rewarded today by being a Pro Bowler.

Speaker 9 (53:26):
And what this tells you ian he was not in
the top ten for voting for fans at the cornerback position,
so for him to be the only Seahawk that ended
up on the Pro Bowl roster. That tells you what
his peers think of him, because clearly the coaches and
the players had to be the ones that got him
onto that roster, and you have to game plan for

(53:47):
him because of the ability to RecA it from the slot,
what he does against the run. I mean, I think
it was two weeks ago on that Vikings game that
he had a seven yard tackle for loss as a corner,
like that is unheard of. And he made a couple
of ridiculous plays in that Chicago game, like he just
makes up so much ground, and he's such an instinctive
player and he's so aggressive, really.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Fun to watch.

Speaker 9 (54:11):
He is the kind of guy that other teams maybe
the stats aren't there. I mean, he did have ninety
tackles this year and seven pass breakups, but the stats
might not have been his gaudy this year. But other
teams when they prepare for the Seahawks, like they're looking
for number twenty one. That is the player that they
are game planning for. And it tells you all you
need to know again that coaches and players were clearly

(54:32):
the ones that got him onto.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
That roster, which is awesome, right, like like that's just yep,
that's just absolutely awesome.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
All right.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Leonard Williams did not get a Pro Bowl nod. And
we've talked all year like not only would we thinking
he was going to get a Pro Bowl, you know,
being a pro bowler, but also had a pretty good
chance to be All Pro.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
I'm sunned by that. I'm not.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I mean, I don't even look and I don't care really,
but I mean, how is this guy not a pro bowler?

Speaker 9 (55:00):
That one is crazy to me because again with the
voting not just being fans, like you would think opponents
would be voting for him in that regard as well.
But it clearly did not happen. And I've seen a
bunch of All Pro team listenings today from people that
I respect, and I haven't seen Rdard Williams as a
first or second team selection on any of them.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
And I think that is an absolute travesty. Ian.

Speaker 9 (55:26):
He's leading defensive tackles this year in sacks and quarterback hits.
He has a career high fifteen tackles for loss. He's
got fifty two pressures, he's got a pick six. I mean,
there's nobody that has a stat line like that this year.
And I know a lot of guys are getting by
on their reputations, but like, he's had a better year

(55:46):
than Chris Jones.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
He's had a better year than Cameron Hayward has had.
Like he should at least be a second team All Pro.

Speaker 9 (55:54):
I could make a very good argument that he's a
first team All Pro if he doesn't make either one
of those teams. That's the one that would really make
me furious from a football analyst perspective, because he has
been a top two or three defensive lineman this year,
and I think he deserves to be in the hunt
for Defensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
That's how dominant he's been this year. And that's just
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I mean, I know there's the so called West coast
East coast bias and things like that, but I just
feel like people aren't paying attention if they're sleeping on
this guy, I mean, what and the party.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
He's been in the league for a long time.

Speaker 9 (56:26):
Yeah, it's not like this guy. It's not like this
guy just came out of nowhere. He's done a lot
of good things on bad football teams. And even if
Seattle's not playing in the playoffs, They're gonna have a
winning record. They had a chance to get to ten wins.
It's not like this guy hasn't been doing stuff all
year that should be noticed. I will feel like football
people should know that, which is why I was stunned
to see so many people I respect not putting him

(56:48):
on all pro teams.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
It makes no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
No, and I yeah, I think it's I think it's
just garbage, to be honest with you, I think some
guys are asleep at the wheel along the way. I also,
you know, we'll talk more about John Schneider and others
next week. It also, let's be honest look at it.
For John Schneider, that's a hell of a I mean,
that was a hell of an acquisition last year and
a resigning this year, which was widely panned by a

(57:12):
lot of people. And I liked it from the start,
to be honest with you, and I like it even
more now. This guy's a nice little foundational piece.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
He absolutely is that.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I was with you. I loved the trade for him.

Speaker 9 (57:23):
I've always thought he was a better player than even
a statistics show, and he played on a lot of
really bad football teams. And he's also a great locker
room guy. This defense, especially that defensive line. He's the
one they turned to, and he leads by example just
as much as with his words. And he's a guy
that I think has got a lot of really good
football lesson And so that three year contract to.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Me, it now looks like an absolute barkman Corbyn. We
will talk next week to wrap up the season, as
is always the case, I'm guessing we'll have news and
other things to discuss bigger picture when we reconvene after
the final game on Sunday, and we'll have had four
days in between, so let's see what next Thursday brings us.
In the meantime, where can people find all your great work?

Speaker 9 (58:05):
Well, as always, you can find all my stuff on
social media on either ex or Blue Sky at Corpsmith NFL.
You can visit Seahawks on SI It's si dot com,
slash NFL slash Seahawks and as always, watched out on
Seahawks five days a week with robber Rang Podcast.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Subscribe to YouTube wherever you listen my.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Friend, great stuff. We will talk to you in a
week's time. Thank you, sir, yep, take care of happy
New year.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
That is our good friend Corbyn Smith. Corbyn Smith joins
us every Thursday and we thank Sold by Jim sold
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Speaker 3 (58:39):
I'll update you on what's going on Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Man is happening.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah, it's weird already and nothing tragic or anything like that.
Just a weird start to this game. We'll tell you
about that next.

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Speaker 3 (59:13):
All right, we're back. No score with.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Notre Dame and Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
It is uh.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
It has not really been a well played game thus far.
There were back to back roughing, the running into the
kicker penalties on the first drive there there Georgia ran
three plays on the first their first drive, and there
were three penalties on that first drive as well, two

(59:44):
on the punter, two roughing, the running of the punter
and p I.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's just yeah, not a good game so far.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I kind of like a meth Well, then you'll enjoy
this one.

Speaker 8 (59:58):
Well, when it comes to college football playoff and everything
that has gone down, I do root for cars.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
We're five forty seven in and five forty seven in
on the fourth possession of the game now, and there's
minus twenty six yards of offense total or I'm sorry,
twenty six total yards of offense combined between the two teams.
So yeah, it's not Andrews brought up a good point, like,
you know, you got creatures of habit. Those guys are

(01:00:24):
sitting around. It's just there's a lot of go lot
going on down there. Yeah, there's no perfect excuse. You
I mentioned somebody yesterday, go oh, they just played this
game moved to Mercedes Benz Stadium because while the fans
you know, in Atlanta, and I thought, wait a second,
that's a home game for Georgia. Yes, it's kind of
a home game for them anyway in New Orleans. Nevertheless,
there's it's just with everything that happened, whoever gets through

(01:00:46):
this game, I'm sure they'll be better in the next one.
Along the way college Football Playoffs had great conversation with
Super Mandela Road. There there will be changes. There will
be changes along the way, seating, how they do it
on campus is on the table as well for the quarterfinals.
As he said, it kind of you know, could really
change and alter how the Bowl games and the Bowl
structures look.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I get that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
At some point you have to take into consideration, fans, like,
at some point you have to do that. And traveling
to locales basically for the most part, all in the
southeastern part of the United States, that's hard unless you're
already I don't know, in the Southeast, right, Like Husky

(01:01:27):
fans know that. I remember last year sitting around listening
to the Purple Sheet and the other Husky lums around here,
going well, I don't get into New Orleans impossible, getting
the Houston impossible, right, Just cost effectiveness. And I was
surprised because I didn't notice this, but Mandell was telling
us this. I didn't notice this. All the empty seats
in a couple of the quarterfinal games, not the Rose Bowl,

(01:01:52):
but the Granddaddy different beasts. Right now, Here's the other thing.
Is this getting to LA really easy? Like multiple airlines,
multiple flights per day, multiple airports, Like you can fly
into one of what four different airports in southern California,
and there's a lot of places to stay, a lot
of places to stay outside the city, and the Rolls

(01:02:14):
got a tradition ended up being a traditional matchup bucket list. Well,
it ended up being traditional matchup state. Yeah, right, so that,
but the other ones, like the Peach Bowl, he said, yeah,
a lot his colleagues from the athletics, saying a ton
of empty seats. The network ESPN specifically, and ABC did
a great job of not showing that along the way.
I'll look at the text line later, Anders, But you're

(01:02:34):
telling me that a lot of people are unhappy with
Corbyn Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Yeah, well, I just think they Yeah, yeah, just a
little discourse about you know, the blame game we always play.
You know, some people think it's the quarterback. Some people
think it's the play callers. Some people think it's the
old line. Some people think it's the people that drafted
the offensive line. How about Yes, Yeah, I'm with you there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I think there's an even even uses of blame pie
to go around.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I think you're right. I think you're right. You know,
Hugh went off on Monday about the you know, the
John Schneider. I asked him just a very generic question,
why are we are why are we here with the
Seahawks missing the playoffs is what I asked him on Monday,
and he gave the same answer that he gave on
the roundtable today, and it's basically it's John Schneider and

(01:03:23):
and you know, Hugh broke down today. I don't think
he attributed my stat either to me, but as he
broke it down on the round table, you know, he's
eloquently No. But what I what we talked about, because
he went to the offensive line. I think the stat
he had on the offensive line was was stunning. That's
crazy to me. And that was that the Seahawks have,

(01:03:45):
including when you look at the draft charts and where
guys are drafted like higher round is more points like that,
and may have and may have had more draft capital,
but than all but two teams since John Schneider got
there in twenty ten. I think it's the highest. Oh
that's right, draft capital is the highest amount of guys
drafted is third.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yes, I'm really surprised by that, But.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Then here's why you're not. Here's right, A lot offense
would be jess and that's not in the nightment on
you or anybody else. You would be surprised by that.
But you know why you wouldn't be surprised about it
is because of the number that I added to that
with Hugh on Monday, and that is of all those guys,
I'll use it this way. I'll say it this way.
There's not a lot of memorable dudes in there. Why
Russell o'coon in twenty twelve is the only offensive lineman

(01:04:30):
drafted by John Schneider that has had a Pro Bowl
and he had one his second no third year in
the league ten eleven twelve y a third year in
the league, Russell o'cuhon was a Pro bowler. He is
the only offensive lineman with all of that draft capital
that's ever even been a pro bowler. You get five ten, however,
many Pro bowlers a year on the offensive line in

(01:04:53):
the NFC, and you have had one that you drafted one.
So you know, quantity is one thing. We talk about
that in the world of hockey all the time. Quality
shots versus quantity of shots high volumes one thing. And
you'll hear Dan Bilsos shoot the park got shot the

(01:05:13):
bark shoot.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
But if you're shooting the puck from outside the blue
line and you get forty five shots on goal with
no one in front of the no one in front
of the ned not front presence. You're gonna mention that,
make sure, Johnny, I mean it, gotta have that front
presence right here? Where's tolban In going? Where's he going?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Johnny?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Nice shirt, by the way. I love the square, But
where's he going?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Where's he going?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
You're not gonna get a sh No, but that's it.
Fire shot from fifty sixty seventy eight one hundred feet
away doesn't matter. Well, you can draft a million offensive linemen,
but if none of them are any good, it doesn't
matter how much you spent, and none of them have
been good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
How many have they re signed?

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I think the other thing?

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
Yeah, because it's Russell. They did, and then Justin Britt
is another. But he hung, he was on his he
was on his third position, which went to Britt Britt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Brick got drafted as a tackles, played as a guard,
finished as a center right. Yeah, and was probably their
most effective center for a while until Max Hunger.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Since Max Hunger the oh, I have to look it up.
Did he I don't think he got resigned.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I thought he did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
He got his he got one more card. I thought
he did well, no, because he would have been here
for no, but he was a first rund pick. He
would have been here for nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
It was also right during the Yeah, it was during
the the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
First rund pick you get four plus the one. Did
they just roll over his day's exercise the option on
year five and let ago That's probably what it was.

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
It was ten to twenty fifteen, So yes, they exercised
his option and then he went to the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I mean, goodness me.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
I mean it's another part of that equation of drafting
guys or keeping them and yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Let's go down the Ryan Grub route. Well, Max Max
wasn't drafted by by John Schnyder.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
He was drafted by.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
He's a he's a ruskual.

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
But but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Is it Michael Homer listening?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
He was always listening, Hey, coach, what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Max Hunder was a was a Tim Ruskill.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah, yeah, he he was.

Speaker 8 (01:07:11):
I I forgot about that, but he was also they
let him go as a part of the Jimmy Graham Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
They wanted that was and that that would I probably
put more on Pete. That felt like a Pete Carroll move.
Percy Harvin felt like a Pete Carroll move, Jimmy Graham
felt like a Pete Carroll moved. Jamal felt like a
Pete Carroll move. And I'm just guessing none of us know.
I mean, it's you know, you'd have to get you know, quietly,
behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
But I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I'll give you this. I'm I'm about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Ninety I'm above ninety percent in my confidence level that
Jamal Adams was not a John Schneider decision.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I can give you that, Okay, I'd agree with
your hunch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
We had Daily power Play. We have some sound from
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I mean, I tell you what partner. I can't believe it.
It's just it's unbelievable, Like you gotta get look at
launch Jayden Schwartz's he's the one guy, Johnny.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
All right, we'll get to that nice. I hope is
any back tonight. I don't know if he's back tonight
or not.

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We went out there and met with them a few
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for its third straight win, came up with a huge
one last week on Saturday against Vancouver after the Christmas
holiday break, five to four. They scored three in the
final four and a half minutes, one of only three
teams in NHL history to do so. Followed up with

(01:10:02):
an overtime goal by Vince Dunn, who is on a
heater as they say right now. He talked today with
our own Mike Benon about his role on the team
and how he views it.

Speaker 10 (01:10:13):
Probably the same role I want to be able to
fill fulfilled as I did last year.

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
I know that.

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
Personally I have high expectations for myself and as as
a team. So for myself, I want to be the
best player and the best person every single day.

Speaker 9 (01:10:29):
Defensively, what do you consider as far as the challenge
is ahead here for your own pairing, for these guys
as well ahead of the rematch of Vancouver, Well, I think.

Speaker 10 (01:10:37):
Just overall as a team, a challenge for us has
been consistently scoring, and I think as a d man,
you want to give the Forests the best chance to
succeed up there, and I think our goalies have been
doing a great job all year for us. I know
we haven't made life easy on them some points, but
for the most part, I think our defensive structure and

(01:10:58):
numbers has been pretty solid. I think a lot of
the goals we've given up I've been very easily given
to the other teams, and a lot of the scoring
chances have been very very simple mistakes, not necessarily our structures.
So for myself, I think just pressing, and I think
the last few games we've been very tenacious. We've played
very desperate, and I think when we play like that

(01:11:19):
every single night and we're all connected, we give ourselves
the best chance to win.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Still playing some desperate hockey. They're seventeen and nineteen and two,
so still a couple of games below five hundred, but
have a chance with the schedule coming up to do
some damage tonight Vancouver, although Saturday not too easy. Some
guy named Connor McDavid, Leon Dry Sidle in town. They're
good at hockey. Okay, that's all you have to know,
Just all that's all you need to know. Vince Dumb
for his part this season, eighteen games, fifteen points, seven goals,

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eight assists on the year. He plays with an edge.
I love watching him play on a nightly basis. Number
twenty nine. He's just to feel like, just if you
go with the game tonight, just watch him. He's he's
just watch him in sixty two guys.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Throwback guys. Yeah, just fun players.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Phil Grubauer is gonna get the start again tonight as
Joey the court is still day to day with an
upper body injury.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
That's all you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Well, he's got a little you saw him get it.
He was banged up and then he got hurt the
Colorado game before the break. Yeah, finished the game. But
uh yeah, is the backup tonight. But Gruballer will get
the start. He's played a lot better lately too, so
that's uh, that's helped. In Vancouver is a little bit
of a horror show right now. Oh it's too bad,
love to see it's too bad. They've got Elias Peterson

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is out with an injury, and so was Quinn Hughes
at the top two scores on the week of the
Western Canada teams. Yes it is, yes, it is all right.
We're good, We're good, all right. Top of the hour,
Greg co Sale is going to join us. We'll check
in with Greg normally on a Friday. No show tomorrow.
I'll get the First Responders Bowl during our show tomorrow,
So no no show tomorrow for us, but we will

(01:12:56):
talk to Greg in a second. I'm gonna talk to
him about not just Seahawks this weekend because they're playing
the Rams in a glorified exhibition game that counts as
a regular season game, the preseason game during the regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, and I I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Know what Corman said, it's kind of good that you
get to you know, if you can get to ten
wins in the first year. For Mike McDonald, I base
everything in the NFL on one thing. Did you get
to the playoffs? Yeah, that's like winning fifty four percent
of your games? Do we care about that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
The playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yeah, but you don't. You don't care about that. You
don't care about fifty four percent, You don't care about
winning records. You care about you care about did you
get to the postseason? Yes, and they did not, But
we'll find out what they do have to play for
how it breaks down Rams playing with a lot of
backups on Sunday. Well, also I want to get to him,
and hopefully it'll be better than the Sugar Bowl that
I'm watching right now, the game on Sunday between the

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Vikings and the Lions for the NFC North. I mean
a playoff game on a Sunday night football the last
week of the regular season. You can't get anything better
than that. We'll talk to him about that. Break that
all down coming out great co Sell.

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At one point before the Buckeyes just kind.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Of said we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
We'll move and get ready for the Cotton Bowl next week. Texas,
Ohiose State in that game. Kracking a night taking on
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only Seahawk who makes it. Leonard Williams a snub and
there's no other way to put it in regards to that.
Let's check in with our guy Greg Cosel.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
All right here we go, welcome in. It is it's
a Thursday, but we have no show tomorrow. We've got
the First Responders Bowl on tomorrow at right here on
night three point three KJRFM. Purple Sheet kind enough to
give me one more day off, so we I made
a call and I said, listen, I know this, this
is the weird time of the year. I always forget
about this because we bounce around so much with our
friend Greg co Sell. There are some constants with the

(01:16:06):
Ian Fernest Show for the last fifteen years or so,
and one of those constances every Friday, we have Greg
Cosell on at usually one o'clock Pacific time. But because
of the holidays and shows getting bumped and all that stuff,
the last couple weeks have been kind of all over
the place. But Greg's with us today here at two
o'clock on the radio, and we're happy to have him

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with us. And then we're gonna what we'll do is
we'll talk about some of the other NFL games this
weekend as well, including the huge Sunday night game. As
we know, the Seahawks don't have a game that matters
much of all that all this weekend, and you can
tell by who the Rams are playing. But we'll bounce
around with some other games, and then next week we'll
put a we'll put a bow on everything as far
as the Seahawks are concerned with Greg and then turn

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them loose until I come groveling to him for of
course the draft stuff, which will be coming up. And
I know he's already working on the draft. Hi, Greg,
how are you hey?

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
In what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
You know, just banging through life, buddy, you know, banging
through life and and all good. So we're good. So
how is your holiday? I mean, I know, I know
how you operate. You basically don't have a holiday. You
just keep working. But how's great?

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Co selling this New York I did, because yeah, that's
the way it works, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I don't think I've seen in New year Is in
like twenty years, so you know it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Matter now, Well, you know what I'm with you. The
beautiful thing about the good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Thing is is I do see the next day? You know,
I just don't see. I just don't see midnight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
That's great, that's all we care about, right, Just let's
just get.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Let's just get. Let's just wake up the next morning.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
And the beautiful thing about living on the West coast,
as you guys turn, you know, we can we can
watch until nine o'clock and hey the ball drops, it's
the new year and now we go to bed at
nine o'clock on a on the West Coast. That's what
some of those guys do. So well, great, great, great
to have you with us. I'm gonna get to a
couple of other games and we got I mean, the
Sunday night game is just awesome. You know, if you're
an NFL fan to see a winner take all for

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the division Minnesota Detroit. We'll touch it on nex. I
know you've broken that game game down with some people
as well. Uh, we'll touch in on some other things
around the NFL. We'll just start briefly with the Sea.
Like I said, we're gonna do this more next week,
Seattle taking on the La Rams and the Rams. Maybe
we'll just talk about them just for a second because
their playoff team. Did that surprise you this year at all?

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When you were valuating tape on this team? They were
what well they won him four? At one point? Were
you get little surprised by how the Rams are going
to turn things around? And how do you think they
did it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
I guess, you know, just being around for so long,
and is that I'm not surprised, you know, and most
things that I see Maybe maybe it's because I'm jaded
at this point in my career, right. I guess what
surprised me maybe more than anything, was simply the way
they went about it, because they really turned to a
running football team. I mean, Kyraen Williams has well over

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three hundred carries, and even though he did well a
year ago, my guess is that most people, probably myself,
I would imagine you as well, did not think that
he would get three hundred plus carries and be the
foundation of the offense. And that's essentially the way it
turned out as the season progress. The other thing that
was fascinating for me about the Rams, and this is

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just I think good coaching and understanding the best deployment
of your personnel, is they really became a dying team,
meaning six defensive backs as the year progressed as well,
playing the rookie Jalen McCullough from Tennessee. He's a safety,
but he's essentially a hybrid safety linebacker. He can do
a lot of things, and he sort of became, you know,

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a really critical piece of their dime package. And I
think one player who's really been overlooked from a national perspective.
Maybe it's an East Coast bias, maybe who knows, but
LA is obviously a big market. I think Quinton Lake
is a really important player, not only to them, but
in some ways a really overlooked player in the league
because he's sort of a combination safety slot corner and

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there's not many of those guys who can do both
at a pretty high level, and he's allowed them to
be really you know, not have to change personnel to
be diverse with what they do. And he's just turned
out to be a really important player on their defense.
And again, you know, just talking generally, that young D line,
which is only going to get better and better, which
is not great news obviously for Seattle going forward, but

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that young D line with two second year players and
two rookies this year, that really came on and became
their pass rush d line with Turner and Fisk inside
and verse and Young outside and verse. For a rookie,
his speed to power is just off the charts.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
You loved him coming out of college. If I remember
right now you're talking, he was.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
The number one speed to power guy. I liked a
lot too from UCLA's overall game more, but in terms
of just pure physical power, Verse was number one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
How remarkable is it, though, that you can go out
you draft like they did, and then as you mentioned,
two rookies, two second year players. They used to have
a guy by the name of Aaron Donald playing for them,
not anymore, and it doesn't feel like they've missed a
beat up front. That's remarkable, Greg.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Yeah, that's you know, And again, you know how the
draft is. It's easy to say and teams when it works.
Oh that was her guy right from there. I mean,
you know, we've all done this for long enough to
know that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
I mean I loved Verse coming out. I thought Fitsk
was a good prospect as well, you know so, but
there's no way they knew about Jalen mccollin. I mean,
you know, that's just one of those things that obviously
probably through training camp and the way he practiced and
you know, the things we can't know because we're not
in their building, but you know that obviously turned out really,
really really well, as did Quentin Lake. Quentin Lake was

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not a high draft choice.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Greg O so joins one more thing on the Rams
and we'll spend next week, as I mentioned, kind of
wrapping up the Seahawks season. There's a lot of questions
that people have about Ryan Grubb and the offense and
moving ahead in Seattle. I still, you know, and Kyle
Shanahan gets you know, a lot of love around the
NFL for what he has done in San Francisco. But
Greg for my money, I just look every year, whether
like you just said, they've transitioned into a running team

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as Sean mcvay's offense with with the La Rams, I
think you have to admire and marvel what McVeigh does.
And I don't know if that's just a if that's
a guy that is able to you know, basically, you know,
morph his defense or his offense into whatever his personnel
is or what have you. But when people say great
co sale, what is it about Sean McVay offensively that
kind of jumps off the tape at you, what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Well, I mean, there's certain things that he does regardless
of whether he runs the ball or throws the ball.
I mean, obviously they're a heavy motion team, and there's
a lot of teams, good teams in this league that
use a lot of motion. A lot of the better teams,
the playoff teams are heavy motion teams, a lot of
movement before the snap. Obviously, for a number of years,
he's been very big with what we call reduced splits,

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whether wide receivers are closer to the formation, and that
makes it important for them. Not every team feels this
way for them to have wide receivers who are willing
to be physical and block. Now, you don't have to
pancake guys, but you do have to at least be
willing to be physical. They have that, you know, That's
a significant part of what they do. I've always felt
that he did a good job marrying the run game

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in the pass game together, you know. And you know,
everything I've said is not necessarily reinventing the wheel. It's
not as if he's doing things that have never been
done before. I just think they'd do it at a
really high level. And you know, the Kien Williams thing
is really fascinating to me because I did him coming
out of Notre Dame, and I thought he was a

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good runner who understood had to run. By that, I mean,
I thought that he understood his blocking schemes well, he
understood gap fluidity because obviously gaps change once the ball snap.
As a back, you look at the defense and you
see how they're lined up, but once the ball snap,
that changes. So I thought he had a great feel
for gap fluidity and defensive flow. But I didn't think

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in terms of physical and athletic traits he was anything special.
But it's funny because he's not really a burst runner
in terms of acceleration. He doesn't have a lot of
long runs, but he's a grinder. And then they drafted
a guy in Blake Koram, who's essentially a carbon copy
of Karen Williams. You know, another guy that knows how
to run. It's not necessarily an explosive back. So they

(01:24:03):
clearly developed a template now with their O line and
with the backs, and they grind out first downs.

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even know what Pro Bowl means anymore, because you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Didn't even look at the list. So you'd have to
tell me if you wanted to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
About two guys I want to talk about. Seattle had
one guy make the NFC Pro Bowl team, and that
would be Devin Witherspoon. And so I'll just ask you
when you watch Devin Witherspoon on tape, and just what
pops with you with this guy?

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
You know, I'll say it this way. If you love football,
you love Devin Witherspoon, because it's just the way in
which he plays. You know, the guy clearly loves the game.
There's a passion with which he plays. There's just an
emotion with which he plays. He's obviously a versatile player
because he can play outside and he can play the slot.
He sees the game really really well, which I think

(01:25:18):
is innate to some extent. I mean, you can go
over all that stuff, you can teach certain things, but
I think some guys just they see it. It's like quarterbacks.
You know, you can walk through route concepts or specific coverages.
You can do all that with your iPad.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
You can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
You know, however you do it, you can do that.
But when a guy gets on the field and everything's
happening really fast, they either see it the right way
or they don't. Or they or some guys see it
the right way immediately. In other guys, that takes two seconds,
and you know, two seconds in the NFL means it's
too long. So you know, I think Witherspoon is just
he's a really fun guy to watch. I mean, he's

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one of those guys that he's on your team. You
love him. The other teams probably don't like him, but
he's just I really enjoy watching him play, he'll be
a really good player. Hopefully it doesn't get injured. You know,
you never know what's football and the way in which
he plays, but you know, hopefully he'll be doing this
for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
I think what I love about the fact that he
did get named to it and I'm kind of like you,
I honestly rarely pay attention to that stuff. I want
it's a team game, whatever, who makes a team. But
I was happy for Witherspoon because he doesn't put up
the flashy like interception numbers, you know, like secondary guys.
You know, guys that are in the secondary, whether you're
a nickel or your a corner, a safety, a hybrid,
whatever you are, it's always about the numbers, right, like

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how many interceptions does this guy have?

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
And you know what does he do in all those things?
And that's not what this guy is. Like you just said,
he's a football player, and people recognize that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
Can I give you one example, just before we move on,
sure of a play that he probably doesn't get any well,
the staff gives him credit by the fans won't see it.
You remember Kobe Bryant's interception or turn for a touchdown,
against the Cardinals. Yes, correct, ye, sixties nine seventy yarders. Yeah,
I know you're going with it, and made that play. Yeah,
because Witherspoon was the one who ran down Murray. But
it wasn't just that he ran him down. It was

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the way he reacted because he was moving hard inside
and then Murray got outside and he stopped on a
dime and then got after Murray and did not allow
Murray to really see things clearly. And then of course
he threw it up and Bryant you know, picked it
off and returned it for a touchdown. But to me,
that's that's what Witherspoon is to some extent, I mean,

(01:27:23):
not the only example, but that was to me, that's
a Witherspoon play.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Leonard Williams was named an alternate. We were a little
surprised by that. We thought Leonard Williams might be a
you know, a true pro bowler as opposed to an alternate.
He kind of had that kind of impactful season, at
least as a gear.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
I don't know who the other players were because I
didn't look. But putting that aside, I thought that beginning
about midway through the season, you saw Leonard Williams play,
I think the way most people thought he would play
when he was drafted fifth or sixth out of USC
whatever ten years ago. He's been in the league a
long time and he's had moments in the league, but
you know, I don't think anyone would have said that
he was a dominant snap to snap player this year.

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I thought the second half of the season he played
at a really really high level. Dominant, He had dominant stretches.
He can play inside, he can play outside. He played,
as I said, the way many thought he would play
when they when he was drafted out of USC. So again,
I don't know who the other players were. All I
know is I watched the tape every week, as you know,
and I thought he played at a really high level.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yeah I did too, And we'll talk more about him
and the rest of the roster next week. It's great
Cosale Bright to by a seattlesider we have. So this
is the NFL city. People love the NFL, they love
the games, and while Seattle's not playing for anything this weekend,
there are plenty of teams that are. There's a couple
I want to hit on. Let me just start first
with the game on Saturday, that I think is an
interesting one only from the sense of, you know, Cincinnati

(01:28:40):
has an outside shot to get in Joe Burrow and
the Bengals. They're taking on Russell Wilson and Pittsburgh. We think,
just Cincinnati interesting team because Joe Burrow's putting up historical numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Yeah, and you know, in.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Every sense is probably should be a leading candidate for
the Most Valuable Player this year. He won't win it
because it's team at best will finish nine and eight
and needs a ton of help to get in the playoffs.
But they're taking on a Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh must
win for Cincinnati. Pittsburgh's already in Joe Burrow. I I'll
just leave that. I mean, Burrow Chase Higgins, and it
just feels like maybe the defense isn't doing enough. I'm

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not sure what it is, but that's a funny game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
This way.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
I'm gonna answer it this way because you know, people
have seen Borrow. They don't need me to tell them
Borrow's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
I mean, I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
I thought something. Troy Aikman said that the other night
when I was watching and Cincinnati wasn't playing, but he
was actually asked by Joe Buck who was MVP was
and he said Burrow and the reason he said it,
And of course I've never dropped back from center, so
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:29:37):
What this is like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
But he said that people don't understand. And he didn't
quite say it this way because you know, he's being diplomatic.
He didn't want to make it sound like fans don't
know anything. But I'll say it this way, you know,
because I think it's fair. You know, I'm not sure
people truly understand what the burden is on a quarterback
when he knows that he has to put up thirty
five every week just to have it chance to compete. Okay,

(01:30:02):
think about that, and that's what Troy was getting at.
And obviously he played in the league and he's a
Hall of Famer. I didn't but it resonated with me
when he said that that, you know, Burrow's got to
put up thirty five every week and then hope, hope
that he has a chance to win. I mean, that's
crazy when you think about it, and you know, I
hope people understand how difficult just that whole mindset is.

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We know he's got physical you know, like I said,
we don't need to discuss that, but just think about
that for a minute. That's really hard to do. Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
We've got an incredible game and matchup and hopefully it
lives up to what it should be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
I think it will.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
On Sunday Night Football, Minnesota and Detroit wintertake all NFC North.
They're both fourteen and two. Detroit surprising that they're fourteen
and two with all the injuries they've had and still
able to sustain it. Minnesota surprisingly because Sam Darnold has
led the way at quarterback. Greg, give us a little
thoughts on what you're looking for in this game, because

(01:30:59):
that is a fantastic and I mean a fantastic side
of the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Both sides of the ball are fascinating. We'll start with
Minnesota d Lions. Oh, Minnesota is d even though they
don't have great players and because of the way in
which they play, they will give up some yards and points,
but they're very difficult to play against because they show
a lot of pressure fronts. There's a ton of coverage
rotation right at the snap of the ball. So as

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a quarterback and even as an old line you're trying
to figure out, Okay, think of it. As a quarterback,
you're seeing a front and you know that that has
to be protected because they line up in a lot
of six and seven man fronts and you know they're
not going to bring seven, No one really does. But
you don't know which six might come, which five might come,
which four might come, which three might come, which they
do as well, So you're very focused on the front,

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and then you lose sight of what the coverage rotation is.
So as a quarterback, it can be very confusing. Where
do you look? You look at the front, you look
at the coverage, and by the way, as you know,
then if you start your drop then it's to get
too late because things happen really fast. But goff Is
he's just a professional quarterback. When they played Week seven,

(01:32:07):
GoF was phenomenal against their five and six man pressures.
He was phenomenal. And we know the Lions have a
very good old line, but that side of the matchup
is really fascinating to me. And we also know the
Lions with their old line can line up and run
the ball and Gibbs is just he's otherworldly. He's one
of those guys that just has the kind of speed
and burst that you know, there's not many that have that.

(01:32:28):
The other side of the ball is really interesting. You
mentioned the Lions with their injuries, most of them on defense,
but Aaron Glenn, because of his personality, they have not
stopped playing man coverage and they have not stopped, let's say,
and it's just he's not gonna play soft. And you know,
obviously Darnold's another guy that's been talked about a lot.
You know, it's easy to say great coach. And I

(01:32:49):
know Kevin O'Connell well, and he's phenomenal. You know, he
was in our broadcast boot camp here NFL Films. That's
when I got to know him years ago when he
thought he wanted to be a broadcaster or not a coach,
and I got to know him well and we talk ball,
and you know, so everybody just says, oh, it's Kevin
O'Connell and he's great. But Donald's making some throws this year,
anticipation throws, timing throws we just haven't really seen him

(01:33:11):
do much of in the past. Now, maybe it's a
confidence thing, who knows, but he's it's not just coaching.
He's making some throws that are wow throws.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Well, and you know I was gonna ask you that
because you know scheme and we just talked about me
Vig McVeigh and guys like that. You can scheme up
all you want. You can drive it up on the
on the chalkboard and the dry erase board. Here's what
we want to do all you want. There's a couple
of things jump out though, because you've got Justin Jefferson,
They've got Jordan Addison. They've got a very good tight
end as well. But Donald still has to execute, Like

(01:33:40):
he still has to execute.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Are you just seeing a quarterback? And you kind of
mentioned Jared Goff because we talked about Jared Goff for
all those years when he was with the Rams. Greg
and I know you pretty good, right, But I wonder
like sometimes is it just a patient thing like quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Yeah? Jayde Daniels is a Pro bowler this year. That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Guys jump in the league and are good right away
and things like that. It just feels like that position
sometimes you need some time to marinate.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Some do, yes, well most do. I mean if you
speak to coaches as you have over I'm sure over
the years, they'll tell you that you need three years
in the same system before you're really comfortable with everything
involved in playing the quarterback position. Now, obviously guys don't
get that. They have to start right away, and then
you try to tailor what you do around that particular
skill set. Just like you're not gonna tell Jane Daniels

(01:34:25):
not to run. So maybe he'll miss a few and
leave a throw here and there on the field, but
you're not gonna say, oh, Jaye, don't leave the pocket,
because you know that's what he's comfortable doing. But I mean,
the Donald is a guy. First of all, he's very gifted.
I mean he's six four two twenty five and that's
a trait. A lot of quarterbacks coming in the NFL,
as you know now, are not. I mean this year
they're talking about you know, Shader Sanders, cam Ward. I

(01:34:47):
mean Sanders is six ' one, maybe six one and
a half. I think Ward six to two. You know,
we're not there's not many six four to two twenty
five guys anymore. Drake may was one last year. But
you know, that sort of stereotype is sort of baraded
a bit. But Donald, the throws he makes, You're right,
he's making throws. You know, he made a throw to
Jefferson this week, and Jefferson did a really ran a

(01:35:10):
beautiful route as far as nuance in detail. But still,
if I were to sit here with the remote and
you were sitting with me with my clicker and you'd
see the throw, you'd go, wow, that's when he threw
the ball. That's unbelievable. I mean, you know, you still
you still have to execute, particularly with that Vikings offense
where the throws are between the numbers and between the hashes.
As you know, those are really hard throws into those

(01:35:33):
tight windows, and Donald's executed those really well because that's
a foundation of what the Vikings do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
We will have you on the normal time next week
to put a ball on the season for the Seahawks
and we'll talk Geno, we'll talk Mike McDonald, Ryan Grubb,
and all other things Seahawks have put a rap on
the season after they finish off in LA. In the meantime, Greg,
I thank you so much and we'll talk to you
in a week's time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
My friend.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Thanks, Thanks, Anne, appreciate it.

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