October 16, 2025 • 30 mins
Chris Crawford from the Mariners Postcast joins Ian for the full hour to break down the ALCS game 3 loss last night and look ahead to game 4. Eno Sarris from the Athletic joins the show to break down both the ALCS and NLCS, how do Seattle take back momentum? Ian, Anders, and Chris give their final thoughts on tonight and how big this game is tonight.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My friend Chris Crawford.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I was wondering last night if anybody in Seattle was
more upset than our guy Dave Softy null And and
now one was my son, my my my guy Keith
for Fernak, him and his buddy Cody were at the game.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
They were going and.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He got home and he was not happy. But was
anybody more upset than Softy? Could that be even possible? Well,
I listened to the postcast last night about late ten
eleven o'clock at night, and it was recorded, so it
was like it was raw, but you were probably still mad.
Then I listened to this postcast. Chris Crawford's yelling at
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me on the on the postcast last night, he's yelling
at me. Andershurst was waiting to get down it because
he's at the ballpark, so you know, I have to
wait through some regulations. And so while we're waiting for
anders you were yelling at me. Why were you yell
telling at me?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, I just wasn't very happy with you, or maybe
I was taking out some frustrations and you know, some
of the things I said I kind of regret, like
I did the whole This is my show thing Number
One is not my show. It's Ander's show. Pretty clearly,
it's Anders show. And number two, it's just not a
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nice thing to say. But I was I was pissed.
I was pissed off because joking aside, why, because I
thought the Mariners gave up. I thought the Mariners gave
up on that game, and in particular, I thought the
manager of the Seattle Mariners gave up on the game. Now,
one of two things happening, and either the Seattle Mariners
gave up on a playoff game, which pisses me off,
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or Dan Wilson thought that George Kirby was the best
option for the Seattle Mariners going forward, which scares the
hell out of me, because there's nothing he showed in
those first three innings, in particular that third inning, that
suggested that he was the best option for the Seattle
Mariners rerun game. We've seen the Mariners come back from
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three run games all the time. We see tons of
MLB teams come back from that type of stuff. And yes,
I do realize that you had to use a bunch
of your multi inning relievers in the game, the ten
to three blowout, but they had a day of rest,
they had a day off. You have those guys who
you can use, you can bring in someone else, but
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instead you stick with George Kirby, who had nothing after
those first two winnings. He was throwing everything middle middle.
The slider was not fooling him. He wasn't locating his
fastball well enough at all. And I know Dan was
talking about the fastball was hot. Yeah, the velocity was
fine until it wasn't. There were ninety four mile per
hour sinkers that were getting click clacked. I just don't
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understand how you can think that George Kirby was the
best option for you, or how you think it's a
good thing to give up on a chance to win
a postseason game at home. Either way, I'm not happy.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay, two things. One, did Derek Vadney call us?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
He did, like thirty seconds after we got off the air.
He was ready to go.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Was he kind of excited? Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I think he was like one of those guys that's like,
I don't know what to do. I just want a contest.
It's a massive contest, so I just want to make
sure everything is okay.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
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Appreciate what you participated. What were you laughing about it?
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What was the click?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
What was cla his fastball? Is our sinker was getting
click clacked?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Is that like mollywopped? Or is it worse better?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Do you guys remember those old under Armour commercials with
the click clack?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes, yes, that is what was.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Happening to the George Kirby offerings. Y god, I'm just
trying to bring something new to the show.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, let's go, oh my gosh. But yeah, it's a
ten pound bag of what last night exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It was ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag,
for sure, and it got worse. That bag just started
steeping right like that was the the bag that you
put over the bag in your groceries.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You needed that one from you.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Know, the the frustrating thing Chris and Anders would be
this to me because in today's baseball they have you know,
it's not it's not twenty five years ago where you know,
Billy Martin for the Yankees is standing in the dugout
and he gets mad, he makes an impulse, you know
play uh. You know, Sparky Anderson is looking around, going,
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I think I think my guy is done. I'm gonna
go out and get him. It's it's not that in
today's baseball you have so much information at the just
right there. If Chris Crawford, who again I respect immensely,
but if you're telling me that you're looking and watching
and Kirby's command is off, his location is brutal, he's
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down in velocity. Dan Wilson has all that plus oh,
by the way, his spin rates also not what it
normally is, like he would know second inning, third whatever,
it would be right that he isn't George Kirby. And
that's listen. Sometimes you just don't have it right. Like
sometimes you just don't have it. That to me is
what's most disturbing. It's like, Danny, what are you doing?
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Like you have all that information right.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Right, and there was probably information because they get that
data real quick. That suggested that, you know that there
was probably some decent movement and maybe there was some
pitches that the I didn't see it, but maybe they
suggest the data suggested otherwise. Because you know, Wilson I
was very mixed. I mean dang sure that I would
listen to his comments after the game as soon as possible,
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and he defended the It'd be weird if he didn't
defend the decision, like if you said, I don't know
what the hell I was doing. No, he absolutely had
to say, you know, hey, the fastball data was really good.
And for the first two innings, Kirby looked fine. The
first inning, he looked great, second inning, he looked fine.
The third inning. There's nothing that suggests to me, boy,
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we sure need to try to get two more innings
out of this. That's my whole thing, too, right, I
get given him a chance of the fourth. As soon
as Springer hit that homer. Somebody should have been in.
Somebody else should have been in. It's still a four
run game with six innings to play. You still have
eighteen outs for your offense to try to get back
into this thing. And guys, you can point out. Oh,
they end up losing by nine, so it doesn't matter.
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It's totally different. It's a totally different situation there. That's
feel more comfortable. You don't have to play for those
six seven run innings, those miracles. It's a totally different game.
I don't understand how anyone can defend Dan Wilson's decision.
Dan Wilson's made some really good decisions in the postseason two.
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I want to make that abundantly clear. And one of
the things he's done really good jobs above so far
is bouncing back from losses. Every game that they've lost
in the postseason so far, they bounce back with the W.
I won't be shocked at all if they do it tonight,
especially with the rock on the mount. But man, oh man,
I think you really blew a golden opportunity to at
least try to get back into that baseball game.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, and that's that's the thing is we'll get to
a break here. They when you go and you get
to that point and all of a sudden, you're bringing
your low leverage arms. You know when when and I
mentioned this to my wife has now turned into a fan.
Like you said, everybody can jump in there, I said,
when we start seeing the Luke Jackson's of the world
coming out, Caleb Ferguson, we know that the game, the
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game's over one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Either it's over in your favor or other way around.
And it was the other way around. Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
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Speaker 5 (08:46):
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Chris Crawford is with us again this week. We're gonna
go around the horn, you know. Let me let me
just start with the very general thoughts from you. You've
seen now the first three games of this series and
the home team has yet to win. Seattle takes the
first two in Toronto. Toronto's offense comes alive last night
gets to win. What are your overall thoughts on what
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you've seen so far.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You aren't going to keep this Blue Jays offense down
too long. They are aggressive, they make great contact, they
have power, and one thing that I think was on
display was that it's a really balanced lineup. I've been
talking on the show about swing planes and you know
how how pitchers match up with hitters. And what you
have is you have a golfer in Dalton Bar show.
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He did hit a high fastfall. It was the highest
fast he hit all year for that devil in last
night's game. But he's a golfer. He loves the low pitches.
The lad likes him high, high and tight. And there's
there's a sort of a diversity up and down this
lineup that makes it hard to pitch too. And that's
what you saw with Kirby was he tried to go up,
he tried to go down. He tried to make the
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right choices, and I agree with him in the end,
I think he got a little too cute. There were
times when something worked and he went back to it
often like that Kerry Carpenter high fastball, they use high thinker,
They use sawing sometimes. I think Kirby needs to say, oh,
well that worked once and I'm going to go try
something out there.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
In know, I'm glad you brought that up because there's
been a lot of talk about pitch selection lately. The
pitches that were thrown to carry Carpenter. How much of
that is cal Rawley, How much of that is cal
Rawley needing to call a better baseball game, and how
much of that is Kirby needed to shake it off,
and how much of that is maybe better game planning
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from the team coming into the game.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Well on Rais and Barrels with Trevor May today, we
did discuss the idea that it might be fun, I
might work. It might be a good idea for George
Kirby to consider calling some parts of his own game
or or you know, at least having the ability to
call games. I mean, I know that Blake Snell has
really taken to it and enjoy he calls his own
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game with PitchCom from the mound. We thought that that
might you know, put some of Kirby's perspective in on
a pitch to pitch level. That might be beneficial. But
you know the way that modern games are called right now,
I don't think it's easy to put it on a
one person. You know, the pitchers involved, the front office,
the coaches, the analytics people are involved, and then Cal's involved.
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And when I talked to Cal about this, he he
suggested that, you know, he's presented with the plan that
he then iterates off of. And I don't know if
that was regular season, maybe things change in the post season.
But I don't think that's any one person's fault because
you know, it just it. They're all putting, they're all
kind of deciding it together. And you know, I thought
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I saw Alejandro Kirk looking over to his his a
dugout before every pitch. It's possible that the Blue Jays
are calling pitches from the dugout. So you know, that's
a trend in baseball. The Marlins did that this year.
We might be headed towards that where basically the coaches
in the front office are calling every pitch. But in
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this case, I think, you know, sometimes the idea was
right and the execution was just a little bit off.
So it's you have to separate the ones where the
call was wrong or was it the execution, Because even
that Varshow pitch that he hit, if that had been
three inches higher, Varshow can't even get that because he
has such a shot like it's a scoopy swing.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This is fascinating to me because and I've got to
think there's a lot of our listeners that are thinking
the same thing as me right now as you guys
have that conversation, you know, and Blake's now makes sense.
One of the elite pitchers in the game. How many guys?
How many pitchers? Is it the reverse where they're calling
their own game? And I mean Castillo would seem to
be a candidate for that if you're Seattle in a sense.
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But then you've got this catcher that's got this great
reputation in terms of calling the games. How how normally
see guys shaking it off, but you're talking about actually
calling their own game, correct.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, I mean it's it's something that has come more
to the four with pitchcomp because now the pitcher can
just have a set of numbers on his hand that
he's you know, he's pressing and the and the catcher
gets it. I mean, the important situation is that the
catcher knows what's coming for his own safety, you know, right,
but you know, and then you know in the you know,
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historically catchers have been the people who put the game
plan together with the coaches and and sort of presented
it that way. But that's also historically that way because
you used to have to give finger signs, you know.
So we're in a new era of baseball where we're
no longer using finger sign and the catcher doesn't have
to put fingers down and the picture can actually tell
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the catcher what's coming without doing glove signs. So it
is happening. There are more and more pictures doing it,
and it takes a certain kind of picture, a picture
that wants to make his entire game plan and feels
like he can iterate off of that game plan successfully.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And you mentioned so Toronto looked like they were calling
the game for Kirk. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That kind of feels almost like I'm watching the college
World Series at that point. Feels like that's a college thing, right, Like,
you see that a.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Lot of costs.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I'm not saying that drogatory way. I'm just saying
that that kind of that you do see that at
other levels.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Sure, Well, I'm not sure how I feel about I'm
analytics for it, I'm a nerd, and I embrace it,
but uh, there's something about it. I don't like. It's
just taking decisions out of the player's hands. And you know,
I coach Little league, and when I coach little League,
I I try as often as I can to let
them make decisions and to learn how to make decisions
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on the fly and and and sink for themselves on
the baseball field as opposed to me thinking for them.
And you know, the more we take these things away
from them, the more they're just sort of implementing a
strategy on the field as opposed to playing a game.
So I'm not sure that I love it. But I
understand why you do it, because you know, the coaches
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have access to more information in the dugout. You know,
they can see the game from a couple of different angles,
and they can they can look at binders of information.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
They can look at it.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
You know, they can look at different tendencies and they
might be able to make a more informed analytical decision.
But I, you know, I kind of like the human element.
I kind of like catchers being so important. So I
don't know how I feel about it. But it is.
It is like a college thing. And the Marlins did
it all year. They did it for all the catchers
and all their pictures.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You know, ultimately, as an analytical guy, was leaving George
Kirby in after the third inning a mistake?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I mean, if you wanted to win the game, probably, yeah.
You know, there's also the question of it's a long series.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I know.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
You know, in the regular season sometimes you let a guy,
you leave a guy out there to where right, and
the idea is the bullpen is in better shape the
next day. And in the regular season there are a
lot more games that you can afford to loose where
you're just like, hey, we're going to lose this one
and it's fine, and we'll win the next one because
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we lost this one. You know, in a postseason you
don't like, you know, a series, you can't you can't
punt games. But the problem is that the other thing
that's going on right now is that we're using relievers
more and more and every time you use the reliever,
every time the opposing team he's a reliever, a second, third,
fourth time, that reliever gets worse. And so you know,
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you have to at some point balance your likelihood of
winning that game with you know who else I put
out there now, I thought, I think an interesting idea
might have been in Hancock earlier, where you're kind of like, hey,
this is a different guy. Maybe he pitches really well
and keeps us in it. Maybe he can pitch three
four innings. Maybe he keeps them from seeing any more
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looks at any more relievers. What they did was kind
of the middle ground where they left Kirby in a
little bit too long and then they went to their
regular relievers anyway, and so the other team got to
look at Caleb Ferguson again and got to look at
some of their prime relievers. So I would have chosen
one way or the other, which is sort of Kirby
wears it and he goes as deep as he can go,
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or I bring in somebody that is not super important,
like a Hancock type, that can kind of give a
different look and not burn a reliever.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Look for the other team, what do you think they're
going to see it back? Schrezer tonight, great, unknown, right, I.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Mean I can't see it going past through four innings.
And one of the things that's really gone for Shureser
with the finger injury and the back injury over the
last couple of years is his breaking command, and so
if that's not there, it could be even shorter, could
be one or two innings. So I think the best
case for the Blue Jays is like four innings and
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then a kind of a modified reliever game, bullpen game.
And best best situation for the Mariners is he just
you can't command the breaking ball that he used to. Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You know, the Seattle Mariners' top five hitters have done
a pretty darn good job in this postseason, but six
through nine have been pretty awful, and in particular, Dom
can Zone, who was one of their better stories of
this year, ended up hitting like three hundred with solid
OBP and solids lugging. So sorry for citing batting average
to you. You know, I promise I'll never do it again.
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But he's really struggled. Do you consider making a switch
to Leo Rebos, who has looked so much better at
the plate in this postseason? Or is it too small
a sample size to give up on someone like Canzone.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Well, I mean you're dealing with a pretty small sam
size for Canzone in terms of regular season major the
stress anyway, you know, so I could see it. And also,
you know, the thing that Reves gives you that canzone
doesn't really is a little bit of an element of
contact ability. And you know, I think that you know
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right now, in the playoffs they both had bad strike
out rates. But I think in all things given equal,
I think I would trust Rebus to put the ball
in play a little bit more. And that's sometimes what
you need from the bomby of mind. That's that's one
of the you know, the great things about the Blue
Jays lineup is that they all make contact up and down.
When you get down to Ernie Clement, you're like, oh,
finally they'd like the eight hitter. Except oh, the eight
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hitter has like a ten percent strikeout right. So I
think stealing a little bit of that flare from the
from the Blue Jays and maybe going towards contact with
your good idea. Plus Revus is a little bit harder
to pitch to in terms of turning him around or
using a u ftat as a switch hitter, I think
that might be a good element to add long line up.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Chris, you're here for the better questions than that You're
better than batting average Crawford.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I don't know what I can do that, like I
can certainly do that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Hey, we got some breaking news, and you know you're
gonna have to tell us if this is the right decision.
Bryce Miller named the game five starter for the Seattle Mariners.
Is that the right choice?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I mean, I thought Gilbert, you know, what he did
was so gutsy. He didn't have his slider. I mean
that slider that he was throwing was not he was,
you know, three inches less drop. It was not a
good slider. And he kept pulling it anyway, and he
gritted his way through it, and more power to him.
But if that's Gilbert on short rest, I'd rather give
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him the full rest and see, you know, a full
on Gilbert in the next game. I also think that
you have the specter of WU, and you know, we
don't know exactly what he's going to be used. It
doesn't tell me to start, but you have Castillo and Miller,
and that's basically two shots at getting WU in the game.
So what I'm thinking is if Castillo goes for and
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he's dominant, Wu's in the game, you're gonna try and
win the game. If if it's if it's more tight,
then maybe you do relievers. Whatever you do. If Miller
goes in, he's dominant for four innings, here comes Wu.
We're gonna shut it down. We're gonna win this game.
So I think that's the plan for the next two games.
Is it's Castillo, Miller, and Wu in some score of combination,
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and then Gilbert looms as a fully rested This is
Gilbert shutting the door. That's the plan.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Sarah's from the Athletic Rates and Burl's podcast joining us here.
Curtsy at George Hemberg. I got one more just on
on this series. I want to I do want to
get some quick thoughts on the NLCS. What's going on
there too, where basically, if you're playing at home, it's
not been good for you on either one of these
series so far. You started off, though, you know, talking
about the Blue Jays lineup and and what they did,
and we saw what especially the top of the lineup,
but it was balanced last night all the way through.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Baseball's a weird game. It's a fresh start today.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't think there's momentum from one day to the next,
or you know, is there momentum is like is Flatty
looking like Flatty looked like Alds Flatty last night, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
How concerned should Mariners be about that?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I mean I when I saw that that swing from
dond varshow I mean, he hasn't hit a ball like
that like ever. That just makes you be like, oh
my god. And then you think about the Blue Jays
in this postseason. They've been a little bit feaster famine, right,
They've either, you know, scored a couple runs or scored
like thirteen, you know, And you know, I think that
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momentum I kind of believe what Kurt Schilling said, momentum
is just the name of the Is it just the
name of the next starting pitcher or whatever the quote was.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I think it's a matchups thing. I think that sometimes
they match up really well. And I think the Blue
Jays yesterday, the Blue Jays were a top five team
against high fastballs. Kirby normally throws high fastballs and he
just didn't get them either high enough or you know,
low enough in the game. I think that was just
a bad matchup. But somebody like Luis Castillo, I think
is a better matchup for the Mariners because he can
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throw high on the zone and loan the zone. He
kind of he's comfortable in both places, and I think
I think that'll let him sort of dance to this
lineup a little better, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
On the other side, the NLCS, which has been I
mean competitive games, but it's really shown how good the
Dodgers are. Where the Brewers have to do to get
back into the series against Cillian Murphy aka Tyler Glass, now.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
The likeness is remarkable. I I don't know, man, because
I tried to. I tried to kind of come up
with an approach for the Brewers. You know, lefties have
a little bit of a better time because he doesn't
really have anything that he trusts to come in un lefties.
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So if anything is on the inner half of the
plate at the fastball, so you can kind of look
hard in there's a there's an approach that lefties can
have against Glass. Now we're against right He's now Glass
now a four pitch guy with high stuff on all
his pitches, and he's he's coming to the zone more
as a Dodger, you know, just throwing his pitches more
on the zone. So it's just really good stuff in
the zone, really hard that I think you just have
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the foul pitches off grind, you know, be spit on
every curveball low and try to get some walks and
just try to get him out of there. I think again,
he's a bullpen. If it sounds trite, it sounds easy
when I say it, It's really hard to do it.
But get to that bullpen. That's that's their that's their hope. Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know, tell us about the Rates and Barrels podcast.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, today we did. We were talking with Trevor May
I say, with Jed Lowry. We were just trying to
break down these games as well as you guys are,
and you know, having fun while doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, let'ten go check that out on where we get
your podcasts. And I'm doing all those every day too,
so you go check that out Tomorrow. We will talk
to you one way or the other. We're going to
talk to you next week. We might might be talking
about a fairly significant next series of games that the
Mariners have never been in, or we might be wrapping
things up.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
We'll be doing it. I know I was very careful
how worded it. I got in trouble yesterday, So don't worry.
We'll talk we'll talk one way or the other next week. Thanks,
you know, thanks for that man. There you go.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
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We'll get to all that coming up.
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Speaker 2 (26:08):
All right, quick reminder, we have just an hour show today,
Crack and Hockey coming up today three point thirty pre
game four o'clock dropping the puck. The captain himself, Mike
Benton's probably lurking around where Andrews is right now, looking
around getting ready for the pregame show four o'clock, dropping
the puck with fits and l or to what tonight
Andrews Grubauer is starting. Okay, I just wanted to get
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that from Crawford to hear that too, but that's happened, Yeah,
exactly anyway, so we got that. So that means no
Fantasy Football tay with Fundston. We will be back to
a two hour show next week. They play in Winnipeg
and so we'll have a two hour show next Thursday.
Back to normal next Thursday. So no fundstand today. We've
already had people calling in, texting in no funds today.
Softy's gonna take over two o'clock. He's at Jimmy's on first.
(26:53):
We have a lineup, folks, one change, rollbless out, Revos
in at second and Polanco is your dh can zone
is in right field. Let's get some final thoughts, go
around the horn with Andrews, Crawford and myself. I'll start
and then toss it to you Andrews real quick. Just
listen to Eno and listen. This is not you know,
the Hof Hall of Famer in Max Schurzer sounds like
(27:17):
glorified bullpen day is what it is for Toronto.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You got to get this one off your Seattle.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, it's just it's as simple as that for
so many reasons, not just because you don't want to
go back to Toronto, and not just because it'd be
nice to close it out today and tomorrow. But they're
giving you that opportunity. It sounds like I'm talking to
Emo and listening to Chris and everything else today, Andrews,
this is a get You have to get this game.
You got to get this one with what they've got
on the mount.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
And I was talking to Chris right in the break there.
I think this is the first time, at least in
this series where the Mariners have the significant pitching advantage, right.
I like Kirby and Gilbert and Miller in the first
two games as well, but this is one of those
where it's like the Mariners have the significant pitching advantage today. Yes,
with Luis cast you and I mentioned last night, I
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kind of was living in the moment a little bit.
I said the biggest one game difference in a series
is being two to one versus three to zero. I
may be wrong, because the biggest one game difference might
be two to two versus three to one, which is
what you have on your play tonight.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So go win it.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Go to three to one. You're one went away from
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Chris, you got your guy rivas in. You just talked
about that with Eno. He's in tonight.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I think it's the right call as well. Now I
would have had. I know Robless has made some defensive gaps.
I still trust him defensively more than can Zone. But
I get it. They're gonna play the platoon thing. They
want the left handed bats. Max Scherzer through forty six
curve balls or had forty six curve ball played appearances
against him and hitters at three forty nine with a
six seventy four slugging percentage, and none of the other
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pitches are all that much better. Let it fly, be
aggressive against Max Scherz, or go out and take a
big lead. And I think the key to this game
is just avoiding the big innings, avoiding those big three run,
four run innings that have been when the Mariners of
lost and I know the first game they lost in
extra innings or whatever. But you got to avoid those innings.
You got to avoid those types and that's why I'm
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so confident in Luis Castillo being on the mound tonight
because I don't think that there is anybody better on
the Seattle Mariners at avoiding those types of situations. I
have so much confidence he's such a high floor pitcher.
I expect them to win tonight, and I wouldn't be
surprised if it to blow up.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
There is a resiliency to this team too, guys that
I think is we're going to see again on display.
One of you mentioned, I think it was Chris mentioned earlier.
They haven't lost back to back games in the postseason,
right like they just it's every you know, the couple
losses they have had, they've bounced right back, and and
that's Game one against Detroit, Game four against Detroit. This
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is the third opportunity to do just that bounce back,
and Anders, you nailed it when you have that significant
advantage on the mound, and they do tonight the rock
at home against a guy that isn't what he used
to be. Go get this one and then we'll talk
about some things perhaps for tomorrow along the way. Softy
is it Jimmy's on first post game Baseball's Best post
(30:07):
game show Show, here on KJR. Also the postcast on
the Lockdown Network with Anders and Chris. I'll be listening
to that probably later. Tonight's kind of Usually I can
listen to it laying in because my wife's watching Snapped,
and I can listen to it then, and it's usually
a very calming thing for me. Last night, it's not
so much because Chris was yelling. Great, but hopefully you're
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yelling for a different reason. Later on tonight on the postcast, Fellas.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I'm sorry and I hope tomorrow goes there first.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well, okay, alright, e, I can't do the Canadian accent.
I'm sorry to stop it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's Chris Crawford Anderson her Softye and Fane are down
at Jimmy's on first getting you ready to go and
primed up for Game four tonight Mariners in the ALCS
against Toronto'll see it
My friend Chris Crawford.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I was wondering last night if anybody in Seattle was
more upset than our guy Dave Softy null And and
now one was my son, my my my guy Keith
for Fernak, him and his buddy Cody were at the game.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
They were going and.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He got home and he was not happy. But was
anybody more upset than Softy? Could that be even possible? Well,
I listened to the postcast last night about late ten
eleven o'clock at night, and it was recorded, so it
was like it was raw, but you were probably still mad.
Then I listened to this postcast. Chris Crawford's yelling at
(00:47):
me on the on the postcast last night, he's yelling
at me. Andershurst was waiting to get down it because
he's at the ballpark, so you know, I have to
wait through some regulations. And so while we're waiting for
anders you were yelling at me. Why were you yell
telling at me?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, I just wasn't very happy with you, or maybe
I was taking out some frustrations and you know, some
of the things I said I kind of regret, like
I did the whole This is my show thing Number
One is not my show. It's Ander's show. Pretty clearly,
it's Anders show. And number two, it's just not a
(01:21):
nice thing to say. But I was I was pissed.
I was pissed off because joking aside, why, because I
thought the Mariners gave up. I thought the Mariners gave
up on that game, and in particular, I thought the
manager of the Seattle Mariners gave up on the game. Now,
one of two things happening, and either the Seattle Mariners
gave up on a playoff game, which pisses me off,
(01:41):
or Dan Wilson thought that George Kirby was the best
option for the Seattle Mariners going forward, which scares the
hell out of me, because there's nothing he showed in
those first three innings, in particular that third inning, that
suggested that he was the best option for the Seattle
Mariners rerun game. We've seen the Mariners come back from
(02:02):
three run games all the time. We see tons of
MLB teams come back from that type of stuff. And yes,
I do realize that you had to use a bunch
of your multi inning relievers in the game, the ten
to three blowout, but they had a day of rest,
they had a day off. You have those guys who
you can use, you can bring in someone else, but
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instead you stick with George Kirby, who had nothing after
those first two winnings. He was throwing everything middle middle.
The slider was not fooling him. He wasn't locating his
fastball well enough at all. And I know Dan was
talking about the fastball was hot. Yeah, the velocity was
fine until it wasn't. There were ninety four mile per
hour sinkers that were getting click clacked. I just don't
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understand how you can think that George Kirby was the
best option for you, or how you think it's a
good thing to give up on a chance to win
a postseason game at home. Either way, I'm not happy.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay, two things. One, did Derek Vadney call us?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
He did, like thirty seconds after we got off the air.
He was ready to go.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Was he kind of excited? Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I think he was like one of those guys that's like,
I don't know what to do. I just want a contest.
It's a massive contest, so I just want to make
sure everything is okay.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
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Appreciate what you participated. What were you laughing about it?
(03:40):
What was the click?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
What was cla his fastball? Is our sinker was getting
click clacked?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Is that like mollywopped? Or is it worse better?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Do you guys remember those old under Armour commercials with
the click clack?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes, yes, that is what was.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Happening to the George Kirby offerings. Y god, I'm just
trying to bring something new to the show.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, let's go, oh my gosh. But yeah, it's a
ten pound bag of what last night exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It was ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag,
for sure, and it got worse. That bag just started
steeping right like that was the the bag that you
put over the bag in your groceries.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You needed that one from you.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Know, the the frustrating thing Chris and Anders would be
this to me because in today's baseball they have you know,
it's not it's not twenty five years ago where you know,
Billy Martin for the Yankees is standing in the dugout
and he gets mad, he makes an impulse, you know
play uh. You know, Sparky Anderson is looking around, going,
(04:42):
I think I think my guy is done. I'm gonna
go out and get him. It's it's not that in
today's baseball you have so much information at the just
right there. If Chris Crawford, who again I respect immensely,
but if you're telling me that you're looking and watching
and Kirby's command is off, his location is brutal, he's
(05:05):
down in velocity. Dan Wilson has all that plus oh,
by the way, his spin rates also not what it
normally is, like he would know second inning, third whatever,
it would be right that he isn't George Kirby. And
that's listen. Sometimes you just don't have it right. Like
sometimes you just don't have it. That to me is
what's most disturbing. It's like, Danny, what are you doing?
(05:26):
Like you have all that information right.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Right, and there was probably information because they get that
data real quick. That suggested that, you know that there
was probably some decent movement and maybe there was some
pitches that the I didn't see it, but maybe they
suggest the data suggested otherwise. Because you know, Wilson I
was very mixed. I mean dang sure that I would
listen to his comments after the game as soon as possible,
(05:51):
and he defended the It'd be weird if he didn't
defend the decision, like if you said, I don't know
what the hell I was doing. No, he absolutely had
to say, you know, hey, the fastball data was really good.
And for the first two innings, Kirby looked fine. The
first inning, he looked great, second inning, he looked fine.
The third inning. There's nothing that suggests to me, boy,
(06:11):
we sure need to try to get two more innings
out of this. That's my whole thing, too, right, I
get given him a chance of the fourth. As soon
as Springer hit that homer. Somebody should have been in.
Somebody else should have been in. It's still a four
run game with six innings to play. You still have
eighteen outs for your offense to try to get back
into this thing. And guys, you can point out. Oh,
they end up losing by nine, so it doesn't matter.
(06:34):
It's totally different. It's a totally different situation there. That's
feel more comfortable. You don't have to play for those
six seven run innings, those miracles. It's a totally different game.
I don't understand how anyone can defend Dan Wilson's decision.
Dan Wilson's made some really good decisions in the postseason two.
(06:56):
I want to make that abundantly clear. And one of
the things he's done really good jobs above so far
is bouncing back from losses. Every game that they've lost
in the postseason so far, they bounce back with the W.
I won't be shocked at all if they do it tonight,
especially with the rock on the mount. But man, oh man,
I think you really blew a golden opportunity to at
least try to get back into that baseball game.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, and that's that's the thing is we'll get to
a break here. They when you go and you get
to that point and all of a sudden, you're bringing
your low leverage arms. You know when when and I
mentioned this to my wife has now turned into a fan.
Like you said, everybody can jump in there, I said,
when we start seeing the Luke Jackson's of the world
coming out, Caleb Ferguson, we know that the game, the
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game's over one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Either it's over in your favor or other way around.
And it was the other way around. Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
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Speaker 5 (08:46):
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it's gonna be another stressful night down at t Mobile Park.
Chris Crawford is with us again this week. We're gonna
go around the horn, you know. Let me let me
just start with the very general thoughts from you. You've
seen now the first three games of this series and
the home team has yet to win. Seattle takes the
first two in Toronto. Toronto's offense comes alive last night
gets to win. What are your overall thoughts on what
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you've seen so far.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You aren't going to keep this Blue Jays offense down
too long. They are aggressive, they make great contact, they
have power, and one thing that I think was on
display was that it's a really balanced lineup. I've been
talking on the show about swing planes and you know
how how pitchers match up with hitters. And what you
have is you have a golfer in Dalton Bar show.
(09:58):
He did hit a high fastfall. It was the highest
fast he hit all year for that devil in last
night's game. But he's a golfer. He loves the low pitches.
The lad likes him high, high and tight. And there's
there's a sort of a diversity up and down this
lineup that makes it hard to pitch too. And that's
what you saw with Kirby was he tried to go up,
he tried to go down. He tried to make the
(10:20):
right choices, and I agree with him in the end,
I think he got a little too cute. There were
times when something worked and he went back to it
often like that Kerry Carpenter high fastball, they use high thinker,
They use sawing sometimes. I think Kirby needs to say, oh,
well that worked once and I'm going to go try
something out there.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
In know, I'm glad you brought that up because there's
been a lot of talk about pitch selection lately. The
pitches that were thrown to carry Carpenter. How much of
that is cal Rawley, How much of that is cal
Rawley needing to call a better baseball game, and how
much of that is Kirby needed to shake it off,
and how much of that is maybe better game planning
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from the team coming into the game.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Well on Rais and Barrels with Trevor May today, we
did discuss the idea that it might be fun, I
might work. It might be a good idea for George
Kirby to consider calling some parts of his own game
or or you know, at least having the ability to
call games. I mean, I know that Blake Snell has
really taken to it and enjoy he calls his own
(11:25):
game with PitchCom from the mound. We thought that that
might you know, put some of Kirby's perspective in on
a pitch to pitch level. That might be beneficial. But
you know the way that modern games are called right now,
I don't think it's easy to put it on a
one person. You know, the pitchers involved, the front office,
the coaches, the analytics people are involved, and then Cal's involved.
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And when I talked to Cal about this, he he
suggested that, you know, he's presented with the plan that
he then iterates off of. And I don't know if
that was regular season, maybe things change in the post season.
But I don't think that's any one person's fault because
you know, it just it. They're all putting, they're all
kind of deciding it together. And you know, I thought
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I saw Alejandro Kirk looking over to his his a
dugout before every pitch. It's possible that the Blue Jays
are calling pitches from the dugout. So you know, that's
a trend in baseball. The Marlins did that this year.
We might be headed towards that where basically the coaches
in the front office are calling every pitch. But in
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this case, I think, you know, sometimes the idea was
right and the execution was just a little bit off.
So it's you have to separate the ones where the
call was wrong or was it the execution, Because even
that Varshow pitch that he hit, if that had been
three inches higher, Varshow can't even get that because he
has such a shot like it's a scoopy swing.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This is fascinating to me because and I've got to
think there's a lot of our listeners that are thinking
the same thing as me right now as you guys
have that conversation, you know, and Blake's now makes sense.
One of the elite pitchers in the game. How many guys?
How many pitchers? Is it the reverse where they're calling
their own game? And I mean Castillo would seem to
be a candidate for that if you're Seattle in a sense.
(13:12):
But then you've got this catcher that's got this great
reputation in terms of calling the games. How how normally
see guys shaking it off, but you're talking about actually
calling their own game, correct.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, I mean it's it's something that has come more
to the four with pitchcomp because now the pitcher can
just have a set of numbers on his hand that
he's you know, he's pressing and the and the catcher
gets it. I mean, the important situation is that the
catcher knows what's coming for his own safety, you know, right,
but you know, and then you know in the you know,
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historically catchers have been the people who put the game
plan together with the coaches and and sort of presented
it that way. But that's also historically that way because
you used to have to give finger signs, you know.
So we're in a new era of baseball where we're
no longer using finger sign and the catcher doesn't have
to put fingers down and the picture can actually tell
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the catcher what's coming without doing glove signs. So it
is happening. There are more and more pictures doing it,
and it takes a certain kind of picture, a picture
that wants to make his entire game plan and feels
like he can iterate off of that game plan successfully.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And you mentioned so Toronto looked like they were calling
the game for Kirk. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That kind of feels almost like I'm watching the college
World Series at that point. Feels like that's a college thing, right, Like,
you see that a.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Lot of costs.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I'm not saying that drogatory way. I'm just saying
that that kind of that you do see that at
other levels.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Sure, Well, I'm not sure how I feel about I'm
analytics for it, I'm a nerd, and I embrace it,
but uh, there's something about it. I don't like. It's
just taking decisions out of the player's hands. And you know,
I coach Little league, and when I coach little League,
I I try as often as I can to let
them make decisions and to learn how to make decisions
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on the fly and and and sink for themselves on
the baseball field as opposed to me thinking for them.
And you know, the more we take these things away
from them, the more they're just sort of implementing a
strategy on the field as opposed to playing a game.
So I'm not sure that I love it. But I
understand why you do it, because you know, the coaches
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have access to more information in the dugout. You know,
they can see the game from a couple of different angles,
and they can they can look at binders of information.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
They can look at it.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
You know, they can look at different tendencies and they
might be able to make a more informed analytical decision.
But I, you know, I kind of like the human element.
I kind of like catchers being so important. So I
don't know how I feel about it. But it is.
It is like a college thing. And the Marlins did
it all year. They did it for all the catchers
and all their pictures.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You know, ultimately, as an analytical guy, was leaving George
Kirby in after the third inning a mistake?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I mean, if you wanted to win the game, probably, yeah.
You know, there's also the question of it's a long series.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I know.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
You know, in the regular season sometimes you let a guy,
you leave a guy out there to where right, and
the idea is the bullpen is in better shape the
next day. And in the regular season there are a
lot more games that you can afford to loose where
you're just like, hey, we're going to lose this one
and it's fine, and we'll win the next one because
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we lost this one. You know, in a postseason you
don't like, you know, a series, you can't you can't
punt games. But the problem is that the other thing
that's going on right now is that we're using relievers
more and more and every time you use the reliever,
every time the opposing team he's a reliever, a second, third,
fourth time, that reliever gets worse. And so you know,
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you have to at some point balance your likelihood of
winning that game with you know who else I put
out there now, I thought, I think an interesting idea
might have been in Hancock earlier, where you're kind of like, hey,
this is a different guy. Maybe he pitches really well
and keeps us in it. Maybe he can pitch three
four innings. Maybe he keeps them from seeing any more
(17:10):
looks at any more relievers. What they did was kind
of the middle ground where they left Kirby in a
little bit too long and then they went to their
regular relievers anyway, and so the other team got to
look at Caleb Ferguson again and got to look at
some of their prime relievers. So I would have chosen
one way or the other, which is sort of Kirby
wears it and he goes as deep as he can go,
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or I bring in somebody that is not super important,
like a Hancock type, that can kind of give a
different look and not burn a reliever.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Look for the other team, what do you think they're
going to see it back? Schrezer tonight, great, unknown, right, I.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Mean I can't see it going past through four innings.
And one of the things that's really gone for Shureser
with the finger injury and the back injury over the
last couple of years is his breaking command, and so
if that's not there, it could be even shorter, could
be one or two innings. So I think the best
case for the Blue Jays is like four innings and
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then a kind of a modified reliever game, bullpen game.
And best best situation for the Mariners is he just
you can't command the breaking ball that he used to. Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You know, the Seattle Mariners' top five hitters have done
a pretty darn good job in this postseason, but six
through nine have been pretty awful, and in particular, Dom
can Zone, who was one of their better stories of
this year, ended up hitting like three hundred with solid
OBP and solids lugging. So sorry for citing batting average
to you. You know, I promise I'll never do it again.
(18:43):
But he's really struggled. Do you consider making a switch
to Leo Rebos, who has looked so much better at
the plate in this postseason? Or is it too small
a sample size to give up on someone like Canzone.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Well, I mean you're dealing with a pretty small sam
size for Canzone in terms of regular season major the
stress anyway, you know, so I could see it. And also,
you know, the thing that Reves gives you that canzone
doesn't really is a little bit of an element of
contact ability. And you know, I think that you know
(19:19):
right now, in the playoffs they both had bad strike
out rates. But I think in all things given equal,
I think I would trust Rebus to put the ball
in play a little bit more. And that's sometimes what
you need from the bomby of mind. That's that's one
of the you know, the great things about the Blue
Jays lineup is that they all make contact up and down.
When you get down to Ernie Clement, you're like, oh,
finally they'd like the eight hitter. Except oh, the eight
(19:40):
hitter has like a ten percent strikeout right. So I
think stealing a little bit of that flare from the
from the Blue Jays and maybe going towards contact with
your good idea. Plus Revus is a little bit harder
to pitch to in terms of turning him around or
using a u ftat as a switch hitter, I think
that might be a good element to add long line up.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Chris, you're here for the better questions than that You're
better than batting average Crawford.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I don't know what I can do that, like I
can certainly do that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Hey, we got some breaking news, and you know you're
gonna have to tell us if this is the right decision.
Bryce Miller named the game five starter for the Seattle Mariners.
Is that the right choice?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I mean, I thought Gilbert, you know, what he did
was so gutsy. He didn't have his slider. I mean
that slider that he was throwing was not he was,
you know, three inches less drop. It was not a
good slider. And he kept pulling it anyway, and he
gritted his way through it, and more power to him.
But if that's Gilbert on short rest, I'd rather give
(20:46):
him the full rest and see, you know, a full
on Gilbert in the next game. I also think that
you have the specter of WU, and you know, we
don't know exactly what he's going to be used. It
doesn't tell me to start, but you have Castillo and Miller,
and that's basically two shots at getting WU in the game.
So what I'm thinking is if Castillo goes for and
(21:08):
he's dominant, Wu's in the game, you're gonna try and
win the game. If if it's if it's more tight,
then maybe you do relievers. Whatever you do. If Miller
goes in, he's dominant for four innings, here comes Wu.
We're gonna shut it down. We're gonna win this game.
So I think that's the plan for the next two games.
Is it's Castillo, Miller, and Wu in some score of combination,
(21:28):
and then Gilbert looms as a fully rested This is
Gilbert shutting the door. That's the plan.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Sarah's from the Athletic Rates and Burl's podcast joining us here.
Curtsy at George Hemberg. I got one more just on
on this series. I want to I do want to
get some quick thoughts on the NLCS. What's going on
there too, where basically, if you're playing at home, it's
not been good for you on either one of these
series so far. You started off, though, you know, talking
about the Blue Jays lineup and and what they did,
and we saw what especially the top of the lineup,
but it was balanced last night all the way through.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Baseball's a weird game. It's a fresh start today.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't think there's momentum from one day to the next,
or you know, is there momentum is like is Flatty
looking like Flatty looked like Alds Flatty last night, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
How concerned should Mariners be about that?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I mean I when I saw that that swing from
dond varshow I mean, he hasn't hit a ball like
that like ever. That just makes you be like, oh
my god. And then you think about the Blue Jays
in this postseason. They've been a little bit feaster famine, right,
They've either, you know, scored a couple runs or scored
like thirteen, you know, And you know, I think that
(22:39):
momentum I kind of believe what Kurt Schilling said, momentum
is just the name of the Is it just the
name of the next starting pitcher or whatever the quote was.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I think it's a matchups thing. I think that sometimes
they match up really well. And I think the Blue
Jays yesterday, the Blue Jays were a top five team
against high fastballs. Kirby normally throws high fastballs and he
just didn't get them either high enough or you know,
low enough in the game. I think that was just
a bad matchup. But somebody like Luis Castillo, I think
is a better matchup for the Mariners because he can
(23:11):
throw high on the zone and loan the zone. He
kind of he's comfortable in both places, and I think
I think that'll let him sort of dance to this
lineup a little better, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
On the other side, the NLCS, which has been I
mean competitive games, but it's really shown how good the
Dodgers are. Where the Brewers have to do to get
back into the series against Cillian Murphy aka Tyler Glass, now.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
The likeness is remarkable. I I don't know, man, because
I tried to. I tried to kind of come up
with an approach for the Brewers. You know, lefties have
a little bit of a better time because he doesn't
really have anything that he trusts to come in un lefties.
(23:58):
So if anything is on the inner half of the
plate at the fastball, so you can kind of look
hard in there's a there's an approach that lefties can
have against Glass. Now we're against right He's now Glass
now a four pitch guy with high stuff on all
his pitches, and he's he's coming to the zone more
as a Dodger, you know, just throwing his pitches more
on the zone. So it's just really good stuff in
the zone, really hard that I think you just have
(24:20):
the foul pitches off grind, you know, be spit on
every curveball low and try to get some walks and
just try to get him out of there. I think again,
he's a bullpen. If it sounds trite, it sounds easy
when I say it, It's really hard to do it.
But get to that bullpen. That's that's their that's their hope. Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know, tell us about the Rates and Barrels podcast.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, today we did. We were talking with Trevor May
I say, with Jed Lowry. We were just trying to
break down these games as well as you guys are,
and you know, having fun while doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Well, let'ten go check that out on where we get
your podcasts. And I'm doing all those every day too,
so you go check that out Tomorrow. We will talk
to you one way or the other. We're going to
talk to you next week. We might might be talking
about a fairly significant next series of games that the
Mariners have never been in, or we might be wrapping
things up.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
We'll be doing it. I know I was very careful
how worded it. I got in trouble yesterday, So don't worry.
We'll talk we'll talk one way or the other next week. Thanks,
you know, thanks for that man. There you go.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
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you stick around. We'll put a rap on our show
all you. Andrews and I will go a little round
the horn here. We'll let Softy have have cross talk off.
He'll join at two o'clock for a short show before
Cracking Hockey at three thirty today, So we'll we'll kind
of put a bowl on our hour today and look
ahead to Game four tonight and the Bryce Miller News
(25:41):
starting Game five tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We'll get to all that coming up.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
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Speaker 2 (26:08):
All right, quick reminder, we have just an hour show today,
Crack and Hockey coming up today three point thirty pre
game four o'clock dropping the puck. The captain himself, Mike
Benton's probably lurking around where Andrews is right now, looking
around getting ready for the pregame show four o'clock, dropping
the puck with fits and l or to what tonight
Andrews Grubauer is starting. Okay, I just wanted to get
(26:32):
that from Crawford to hear that too, but that's happened, Yeah,
exactly anyway, so we got that. So that means no
Fantasy Football tay with Fundston. We will be back to
a two hour show next week. They play in Winnipeg
and so we'll have a two hour show next Thursday.
Back to normal next Thursday. So no fundstand today. We've
already had people calling in, texting in no funds today.
Softy's gonna take over two o'clock. He's at Jimmy's on first.
(26:53):
We have a lineup, folks, one change, rollbless out, Revos
in at second and Polanco is your dh can zone
is in right field. Let's get some final thoughts, go
around the horn with Andrews, Crawford and myself. I'll start
and then toss it to you Andrews real quick. Just
listen to Eno and listen. This is not you know,
the Hof Hall of Famer in Max Schurzer sounds like
(27:17):
glorified bullpen day is what it is for Toronto.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You got to get this one off your Seattle.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, it's just it's as simple as that for
so many reasons, not just because you don't want to
go back to Toronto, and not just because it'd be
nice to close it out today and tomorrow. But they're
giving you that opportunity. It sounds like I'm talking to
Emo and listening to Chris and everything else today, Andrews,
this is a get You have to get this game.
You got to get this one with what they've got
on the mount.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
And I was talking to Chris right in the break there.
I think this is the first time, at least in
this series where the Mariners have the significant pitching advantage, right.
I like Kirby and Gilbert and Miller in the first
two games as well, but this is one of those
where it's like the Mariners have the significant pitching advantage today. Yes,
with Luis cast you and I mentioned last night, I
(28:03):
kind of was living in the moment a little bit.
I said the biggest one game difference in a series
is being two to one versus three to zero. I
may be wrong, because the biggest one game difference might
be two to two versus three to one, which is
what you have on your play tonight.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So go win it.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Go to three to one. You're one went away from
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Chris, you got your guy rivas in. You just talked
about that with Eno. He's in tonight.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I think it's the right call as well. Now I
would have had. I know Robless has made some defensive gaps.
I still trust him defensively more than can Zone. But
I get it. They're gonna play the platoon thing. They
want the left handed bats. Max Scherzer through forty six
curve balls or had forty six curve ball played appearances
against him and hitters at three forty nine with a
six seventy four slugging percentage, and none of the other
(28:45):
pitches are all that much better. Let it fly, be
aggressive against Max Scherz, or go out and take a
big lead. And I think the key to this game
is just avoiding the big innings, avoiding those big three run,
four run innings that have been when the Mariners of
lost and I know the first game they lost in
extra innings or whatever. But you got to avoid those innings.
You got to avoid those types and that's why I'm
(29:07):
so confident in Luis Castillo being on the mound tonight
because I don't think that there is anybody better on
the Seattle Mariners at avoiding those types of situations. I
have so much confidence he's such a high floor pitcher.
I expect them to win tonight, and I wouldn't be
surprised if it to blow up.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
There is a resiliency to this team too, guys that
I think is we're going to see again on display.
One of you mentioned, I think it was Chris mentioned earlier.
They haven't lost back to back games in the postseason,
right like they just it's every you know, the couple
losses they have had, they've bounced right back, and and
that's Game one against Detroit, Game four against Detroit. This
(29:43):
is the third opportunity to do just that bounce back,
and Anders, you nailed it when you have that significant
advantage on the mound, and they do tonight the rock
at home against a guy that isn't what he used
to be. Go get this one and then we'll talk
about some things perhaps for tomorrow along the way. Softy
is it Jimmy's on first post game Baseball's Best post
(30:07):
game show Show, here on KJR. Also the postcast on
the Lockdown Network with Anders and Chris. I'll be listening
to that probably later. Tonight's kind of Usually I can
listen to it laying in because my wife's watching Snapped,
and I can listen to it then, and it's usually
a very calming thing for me. Last night, it's not
so much because Chris was yelling. Great, but hopefully you're
(30:28):
yelling for a different reason. Later on tonight on the postcast, Fellas.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I'm sorry and I hope tomorrow goes there first.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well, okay, alright, e, I can't do the Canadian accent.
I'm sorry to stop it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's Chris Crawford Anderson her Softye and Fane are down
at Jimmy's on first getting you ready to go and
primed up for Game four tonight Mariners in the ALCS
against Toronto'll see it
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