Furness Show 10-22: Stewart Mandel and Mike Holmgren

Ian wants to know how the Mariners fans are feeling a day and a half removed from their postseason exit. He is also re-invokes 'refuse to talk'! As the NBA tipped off last night, he is refusing to talk about the league until something happens here in Seattle. Stewart Mandel, The Athletic joins Ian to react to what happened in our region over the weekend, as well as who might be candidates for other coaching positions, as we've witnessed even more coaching dismissals. Is Jedd Fisch a candidate for the Florida job? Stewart also got to witness Bill Belichick's girlfriend inserting herself into the North Carolina experience and how different it is from the way Belichick usually operates. He also gives us a preview of who's in the mix for the CFP right now. We hit the Daily Power Play! Mike Holmgren, The COACH joins Ian to talk about the Seahawks' bye week following a win over the Texas this weekend. He discusses what goes into playcalling and the frustrations that can accompany that. He also discusses benefits to being on the booth versus being on the field. Finally, what are the Seahawks doing during this bye week? We take some talkbacks on the Mariners' season ending. FACT OR FICTION! Plus, Ian gives his thoughts on what happened at Skyline HS Football after Peyton Pelluer was reinstated. We take some more talkbacks regarding the NBA.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Headlines headlines brought to you by Frostpreued Corps. I choose
Chill Kracking lost of the Capital's four to one yesterday
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We'll get to that during the daily power play at
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the Kracken nine three point three kter FM skyline and

(00:26):
head football coach from a Cougar linebacker Peyton Beloor reinstated
after being suspended by the Issaqua School District. You guys
need to look in the mirror, man, You need to
look in the mirror. Asaqua School District and skyline rich
parent who wanted his senior quarterback kid to play. Man,

(00:47):
what world are we living in? Good? Though, Good for
Peyton and you know what, good for you, Gino Simony yep.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Good for the coaches that stood by him.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
All of them? Did the losers? Here are the kids, by.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
The way, Yeah, they didn't have him.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Just stupid Russell Wilson going after Sean Payton Bronco's coach
said he was hoping to face Wilson when they faced
the Giants last Sunday, but instead of got Jackson Dart.
Wilson's response on X Classles but not surprised, didn't realize
you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus later years later through
the media. Damn. Good for you, Russ. You know I'm

(01:21):
not a big Russ fan. I'm glad Russ fire back
at him. Good for him. Jane Daniels will not play
Monay night in Kansas City. He's got a low grade
hamstring strain. Marcus Mariota will start in that game. I
was gonna set something up today and I was going
to lean on the update that you write so well
every day or sometimes andrews ah. But I was going

(01:42):
to lean on that and it wasn't there, which is
fine because I'm gonna get to that in a second,
all right, so stand by, I can still make it work.
But I was like, had this great, grandiose plan. Hey,
we have a two hour show today. Yay, finally we're
back on board. Yeah. The East Coast road trip wraps
up on the Central time Zone tomorrow, so back to
normal shows. Mike co Omberan two o'clock today and Stuart

(02:04):
Mandel at one twenty is Jed Fish a candidate for
the Florida Jump. We'll find out it's Mandel coming up
at one twenty today. So two things I want to
get you in this first segment, and they're both gonna
be interactive four nine four or five one. That is
he still I believe correct, still unrestricted free agent, free agent,
still an unrestricted free agent. Text line four nine four

(02:25):
five one. You can text in thoughts, comments, questions, and
concerns four nine four to five one. Also talkback is
available for you as well. Today you go to the
iHeartRadio app, the little Red microphone fire Away on a
couple of things we're going to toss to you. Let
me get this one out of the way first mirrors.
We've all had some time to digest it now. Thirty
six hours later tomorrow, the team is going to hold

(02:48):
a news conference. Jerry, Justin, Danny. They're all going to
sit there, answer questions. We'll be there, we'll roll on it,
we'll play we'll play some parts of it back in
our show from one to three tomorrow. At some point
react to what is said in the past. It's been
one of the most incredible days of the year because
that gave us fifty four percent doing the fans a favor.

(03:08):
That was the news conference, same news conference, just earlier
because it was earlier that they held it because they
weren't an ALCS team that year. But that you never
know what's going to be said.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
No, you don't. You never know, and I will be there.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I wonder what they can say specifically about Naylor Gino.
I mentioned this to Mark. What I want to know
is really simple. Is ownership giving you the green light
to keep the band together, because to keep the team together,

(03:41):
it's going to cost you more money. If for no
other reason, you got to resign Naylor. There's a called
player options in there too, but like Polanko is going
to opt out for sure because he can probably make
more money. So that's that's That's the way. The only
thing I care about. I'm past the strategy of Monday
and Dan and what happened there. You know, maybe he'll
say in retrospect, I should have done this. I kind
of doubt it. I think you've got to stand behind

(04:03):
your decision, whether most people think it's right or wrong.
Most people think it is wrong. Whatever, that's that's his call.
He's paid for that. But that's what I want to
hear to Mom. But I would here we are thirty
six hours later. Have your emotions changed? Have you changed
how you feel? Are you accepting? Are you angry still?
Have you turned from anger to sad? Melancholy? How would
you describe it thirty six hours later? Whatever it is

(04:26):
forty eight hours later? Is that what it is Wednesday?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Forty eight? Forty eight hours or thirty six whatever it
might be two days later? How are you feeling right now?
Marinor fans? I heard some dipstick boy almost said something there.
I heard some dipstick I heard some dipstick call into
Mark's show earlier MJ in the midday because I'm a
plumber and I just, you know, I can't believe all
these fans are winding and crying about the team and
all that did. You're listening to sports radio, okay, Like

(04:52):
that's a you problem. If you don't understand, don't listen.
And I've never said that on the radio ever before,
but I don't just tell you right now, if you
don't understand why there's a motion in this town about
the baseball team losing that. I can't help you. We're
not here for you. You need to find something else to
do because sports are passionate. That's what we do.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Our afternoon host cried on the air yesterday, Yes, as predicted,
but he also did so those tiers weren't just his,
they were they were for the region everyone. So everyone
is yeah, that's what we do. So I want to
hear from you guys. I want to hear I really really,
And we don't have softy stuff. He's got a meetings,
so we're not going to do talk talk cross talk
at two forty five. We'll play as many as we

(05:30):
can to forty five on that topic. Here's the other topic.
Do you have that music I asked for? I hit that?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Please?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't know the exact year, maybe ten years ago
or so. I want to say about ten years. My
old co hosts tucking me. We did a we we
took a stance part way through the Mariner season. Oh
I remember that, refused to talk. Yep, you heard about
it across the street.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Across the street, and you heard about it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
But we're not happy. But we refused to talk. Our
refusal to talk based on the term refused to lose,
which is probably the part they really didn't like, But
it was based on we just couldn't go on the
air every day and talk about a team that was
losing on a continuous basis, like at a clip that
was like really high. It wasn't No. Eight, but it

(06:20):
was somewhere in there. One of the many horrible seasons,
probably the last year of Jack Maybe I don't know,
but we refused to talk about the Mariners unless something
happened significant, trade manager fired, what have you. But the
day to day business of baseball, we just weren't going
to do it, couldn't do it, didn't have the energy

(06:40):
to Both of us were mann of fans. We're going
to do it, so we refused to talk. It was fun,
good little radio bit for a while, especially in the
middle of the season, when you have a team in
Major League Baseball and you refuse to talk about them,
kind of made a thing. We did well with it.
People listened that, people listened to us not talk, so
they did. It's good. Pissed people off. You guys heard
about it, but we were told to talk more about it. Whatever.

(07:01):
It doesn't matter, So we did that. I asked you
to play this music because it's the last time I'm
gonna have you play it. Okay, period, end of story.
I will delete eighteen Well, you don't have to delete it.
Just it's this return last night to the airwaves NBA
and NBC NBA season opened last night. The eighteenth year,

(07:21):
the eighteenth year the NBA opened without a city, without
a team in Seattle, eighteen years that we had it
eighteen years ago they left for Oklahoma City. And of
course they're also now the defending champions. Everyone's got their
own way to just kind of I don't know protests
as the right word. Just I'm not even in a

(07:42):
protest mood. I'm just in a I'm done mood. Yeah,
And here's my mood. And I want to know if
you guys agree with this four nine, four five one
maybe not. I'd love to hear from it. And also
the talkbacks, yes, but this particular show one, two three,
I'm going to refuse to talk about the NBA. Okay
until they come back. I'm done. I am done. I'm done,

(08:04):
done and done. When they come back, we'll talk about
the games. Now. If there's news like expansion or non expansion,
or we're gonna build a European league, get the expense
of Seattle. Whatever, We'll get to that. But I don't
care what Lebron does on a daily basis. I don't
care what anything else happens on a daily basis in
the league field of drama. I don't care about the games.

(08:25):
And that's not who I was because a year and
a half after the team left, I ended up working
back for an NBA team, for the Blazers, doing pre
and postgame on TV when they started Comcast Ports, and
I was flying back and forth after radio four days
a week, and I love the NBA, grew up with
the NBA Portland, Salt Lake here working in different markets.

(08:47):
It hit me last night, this is it. I'm done?
And why is it? What was the tipping point? See,
everyone has like I said, softy, he doesn't go to Starbucks. Yep, good,
that's his thing.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's taking me eighteen years to get get here. It's
taken eighteen years to get here. But this off season
with how Adam Silver and this league treated our market,
and really not just the off season, literally the last
twelve fourteen months jacking us around, pulling our chain, talking

(09:18):
about teams in Europe, talking about teams in Brazil or
wherever the hell Mexico city, and just kind of giving
us this disrespect, kind of condescending in Seattle. You know,
we know there's great, great interest there. Really, you dummy.
You've talked to people here, not the dipstick mayor who
has no Jews who will want you to tell he
wants to think, yeah, he has no juice. You've talked

(09:40):
to people here that matter, and now you've put it
all on pause. You've put it all on pause, and
we are now your leverage city. That's gonna help with
Memphis or New Orleans or maybe those teams will move here, whatever.
But I'm done. Eighteen years. It took eighteen years. I'm
gonna probably go to a with my son in Salt

(10:01):
Lake this year. Just just that's a hymn thing and
we've done that. It's been a while, so we've been
able to do it. But as far as this radio
station or this radio show is concerned, refuse to talk
is being invoked as of right now. And I am done.
If I stop the music, stop the music, turn the
music off. I don't care if John tesh is back
or not, We're done. MJ in the mid, Dan and

(10:23):
Chris Kidd. They can give you all the NBA stuff
you want and then some. I'm done, simple as that,
I am done, Done with this stupid league, done with
that pinball whatever his name is, Adam Still, I'm done.
I'm done. And it came to you last night. I
got in the car after the Cracking game and we're
leaving the studios, and the TV and the radio was
on ESPN Radio and was the Oklahoma City Houston game,

(10:44):
and I immediately switched order music.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Done.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'm out. Can't do it, can't do it. I just
I cannot do it. It took me eighteen years, but I'm
sick and tired of the NBA. I'm sick and tired
of them jacking us round. Let me know when they
come back. Until then, one to three, No, NBA's owned.
We were used to talk, simple as that. You can
react to that as well. Four nine four five one.
Also on the talkbacks as well. So two things for
yourreacting today. We'll come back check in with Stuart Mandeal.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Next, it's time to go inside college football with Ian's
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(11:29):
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Speaker 2 (11:52):
All right, here we go college football time. Our guy
Stuart Mandel joined us as he does every Wednesday. Love
having him on. Love talking college football, and it gives
us a chance to move on from other things maybe
as well as we welcome Stewart in for our visit
this week from the Athletic and also the audible podcast.
Hi Stewart, how are you?

Speaker 7 (12:09):
I'm good. I have a feeling I'm doing a lot
better than you guys this week. I'm especially want to
check in on jets. She traveled all those miles to
watch that lose on a safety which I've never heard of,
and then come back and the Mariners like has she
gone out of bed? In four day?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Are you.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Okay, Jess, you know what I'm I'm handling things. I'm
handling things. I will say that my gold status is
intact after back to back.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
East Mississippi right to James jmu.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
But I do get a home game this week, and
I do appreciate your care for Well, it's.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Been a rough it's been a rough go by the way,
Washington also losing in Michigan on Saturday. I'm not just
gonn to have my Cougar's take that one. That that
was a tough one too, because they had a chance.
And we'll get into that in a second. Probably move
up a little bit in stature in the u c
f P rankings as well. Yeah, it's been rough here, Stuart.
It's been a rough go for us here in Seattle
last year. He's got the Cougar game. We haven't even

(13:07):
talked about that, Jess. I don't want to talk about it, Okay,
I was, I was lucky.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Hopefully you'll be able to look back, and you know,
once the pain wears off, you'll be able to look
at look back at the good times.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yes, I think I think that's what we'll do. With
all things above, Well, I guess it could be worse.
I could be a fan of Florida football, Penn State football.
I mean, I guess name the teams just already fired
their coach football, right, Stuart, What a crazy year that
we have going on when he's Billion Napier. Let me
start and there's a tie here with BILLI Napier and
the Florida job now being open. Obviously, the how do

(13:39):
you get fired after a win? That's a new one
on me.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
That snuck up on me a little too, But clearly
that had been I just think it was like it
must have been the worst kept secret in the world
that was going to happen off the bye week, one
week or the other. And then it was, uh just
even though they won the game, it was like all
of Billion Napier's greatest of why they don't like him,

(14:03):
you know, twelve minute on the field, penalties and calling
a draw quarterback draw on third and seven in the
red zone, like all these things that fans just can't stand.
He crammed them all into his last game.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's unbelievable. All right, Well, Napier's gone at Florida, the
usual suspects will be named. I don't know why Lane
Kiffin would look at that job. He's got things going
pretty good at Ole miss right now. But you know,
his name's out there. The name that we heard before
he even coached a game in Seattle was the guy

(14:34):
here at Washington, and that's of course Jed Fish some
ties there as well. Is Jed Fish a candidate do
you think for the Florida job or any of these
other big jobs.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Well, there's a lot of right, there's a lot of
logical connections there with Florida and his past there. So
you know, we certainly talked about him as a candidate
on the audible, But I think first he's got to
win some games because you know, Florida fans are you know,
they're going to pine for Lane because he's wanted a
very high level in the SEC. You know, there's been

(15:07):
talking Eli drinkle It, who won ten games at Missouri
a couple of years ago. And I feel like SEC
fans are kind of like naturally skeptical toward anybody who
hasn't coached in the SEC. It's part of why Billy Napier,
I think, could never get their respect there because he
came from the Thumbelt. So if Washington, if he goes
on a run towards the end of the season. Here

(15:28):
in Washington's a hot team, then I could see I
could see that generating more buzz. But I think I
don't even know that Florida fans are all that aware
frankly of his past. So it's part of his story.
But it's not like he was the star quarterback for
the team, right. He was a student intern working for
Steve Spurriers.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, and you know, I think if they knew the
past in terms of what he did at Arizona, they'd
be impressed. But it's a that's a tough job, that's
a I mean, the SEC Florida still has some juice
to it, but obviously the issues lately. I loved what
you did. We did a ranking in the in your
mail Bag this week of potential of unemployed coaches out there,
and I think it's fascinating because there's guys here that

(16:11):
I'm interested in. I think just because they have a
tie here. I want to start with your number three
guy was Mike Gundy, and I'm you said, looking at you.
Oregon State and Colorado State drive the attention to an
off the grid program. I don't think he's at the
same level in terms of personality, but maybe close, Probably
not though of a Mike Leach. But I you know,

(16:32):
Jessicin can attest to this. When Bill Moose went out
and brought in Mike Leach, it was a game changer
for Washington State. Now, obviously they are where they are
right now with the conference folding. But I mean we're
talking about a team that was in the top ten
more times than it's ever been before under his tutelage,
and what he did there Mike Gundy Oregon State. How
much sense does that make.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
It's not quite as much of a no brainer at
that time with Mike Leach, who was still kind of
peak uh in his career, even fire at Texas Tech,
but not for performance reasons. And obviously he you know,
had developed a reputation as the you know, the patron
saint if you will, of the air grade. Now Gundhy,
if you look back at his twenty years Oklahoma State

(17:16):
at a place that frankly barely ever won before he
got there, he had an amazing he had an amazing
run there, but it obviously imploded here towards the end.
So I don't I wouldn't say it's a no brainer.
But if you think about where Oregon State is right now,
in particular, they're they're in They've been totally forgotten in
this uh you know, this transition between the old Pack

(17:37):
twelve and the new PAC twelve there owen you know
I start O and six, they're just nobody's paying any
attention to them anymore. Well, you get a guy like Gundy,
who is a big name and a big personality to
come to Corvallis, you're going to get attention again. And
now that's not the only reason to hire somebody, but
to me, it differentiates him possibly from some of the

(17:58):
other candidates who they might be interested in.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
August. State does have some money too, they're investing in
their athletic program. So that's that's something I would man
if I'm Oregon State, I'm definitely looking that along the way.
He is fifty eight years old. But hell, I think
they hired they've hired Mike Riley when he's been seventy
on the second time round or something. So who knows,
and mon Riley's actually on that committee too, to check
it out. All right, let's get to stuff on the field.
I mentioned Washington earlier. They've got Illinois this week. A

(18:22):
big matchup for really for both teams, maybe more so
for Illinois. I don't know, they're both five and two.
They're both two and two. Washington, though, boy, that was
an opportunity to lost. You go to Michigan and you
your offense just can't score. Demon Williams numbers now have
gone down ten touchdowns for interceptions. I don't know what's
happened to Jonah Coleman Man. That offense we saw in

(18:43):
Pullman and earlier this year was just was lights out
scary good and now and even against Rutgers two weeks ago.
But uh, give me some thoughts on Illinois number twenty
three in the country and Washington in a big, big
ten game on Saturday at twelve thirty.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
I think we know what that offense is capable of.
But you know, you just mentioned Rutgers. I just happened
to notice they have the last place defense in all
the FBS so far this season. So they've went the
two best defenses they've gone up against, they got held
to a touchdown less. So the good news is the
Illinois not great on defense this year. They were last year.

(19:18):
I think they're like eightieth this year. Obviously they have
to come to Seattle like that's a game. That's a
game that Washington should win. To be honest, even though
Illinois is the one with the number in front of them,
I think Illinois has been a little propped up because
of what they did last season. So if they can't win,
if Washington doesn't win this game, then I think we

(19:39):
may have over overrated them and had maybe a little
bit too much respect based on some big numbers they
put up against some bad teams.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
The middle class and the Big ten is fascinating to me.
And I say the middle class, I mean there's all
these teams won two, three, four, five, six, seven teams
that are three in one in conference. I think you
can kind of take Ucla out of that there three
and four overall, and they will see what happens this weekend.
They got a game at Indiana, but that middle class there.
Then there's the other middle class of the two and

(20:10):
two teams Illinois, Nebraska, Washington for example, those teams. Do
any of those like those bottom feeders from say Iowa
to Washington, the five and two teams that are three
and one in conference or two and two in conference,
do any of those teams have a chance at all
to get to the college football playoff.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
I was not dead. Do you look back now and
it's play offs. A very close game to Iowa State
and a very close game to Indiana. They they're the
only team frankly that's that's given Indiana a tough game.
So I wouldn't necessarily write them off. But I think
for the most part that that you just posted it
off a bunch of underwhelming teams. And I think USC

(20:52):
is good. I think UFC is a good team, and
they're a lot better than they were last year on
both sides of the ball. But every Lincoln Raley just
keeps doing the same things, like they find ways to
lose these games on the road. I think they I
mean I don't. I don't trust them, frankly, anytime they
go on the road, they're going at Nebraska in a

(21:13):
couple of weeks. Nebraska is frankly not very good, and
then they're out of Oregon. So I think USC could be,
you know, pretty good and still go eight and four,
and obviously that the people that are gonna be disappointed.
But for the most part, the Big Ten to me
looks like a three team. A three a league that
gets three playoff teams, which when you're sending three out

(21:33):
of eighteen teams to playoff, that's not great.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Can you tell Oregon's number six? They're obviously in that
playoff hunt and very much alive in their regard. They
got Wisconsin at home this week, Wisconsin's owing four. Just
we're talking about Florida second ago. I mean there's teams
that four or five six years ago were like elite
teams in college football or at least brands. What has
happened to Wisconsin and can they ever get it back?

(21:59):
I mean, if Indiana can get it there where they're at,
I mean, i'm Vanderbilt can be where they're at. I mean,
those are two of the worst teams in SEC and
Big Ten history perennially. But Wisconsin's always been a strong
team and a strong brand. What has happened Wisconsin?

Speaker 7 (22:14):
Well, Wisconsin has been so consistent for so long, in
large part because they knew who they were and they
never really straight from it. Every coach after Barry Alvarez
was kind of a very albaas the cycle until and
ran that same style until Luke Fickle showed up. I
thought Luke Fickle would do great. I mean, what he
did at Cincinnati was unbelievable. But he his first thing

(22:36):
that made you go, huh, is he hired an air
raid offensive coordinator. Oh, but they're going to run the ball. Well,
this is not what Wisconsin's done. And then the talent
is just completely eroded. And now how much of that
is they don't have enough nil versus bad evaluations or whatnot,
I don't know, like that just it's just roster they
don't have. You always kind of Wisconsin have great running backs.

(22:58):
They don't have great running backs. Offensive line, they don't
have an offensive line. So I mean, it's just it's
it's imploded. And the scary thing for them is they
still have to play Oregon and Ohio State. Oh no,
they already played. They already played Oregon in Indiana. So
I mean, that's that's brutal. I think I think, you know,

(23:21):
I know, the ad put out that statement kind of
like halfheartedly supporting Fickle. I think that's more buying himself
some time to raise more money.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
H Stuart Mendel joining us from The Athletic the Audible podcast.
So tell us the story you told it in an
online people will read the athletic, but from from your
own words, your own mouth, your little field trip you
took this past week to go see Uh, I don't
know who you're seeing. Was it to see Bill or Jordan?
I don't know who you were seeing there in Berkeley.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
I did see ch Harden, but that wasn't really the intention,
other than I just wanted to see the whole circus
up close, right, And they came to my sort of
backyard at Cal and yeah, like I got there early,
and I walk out on the field and you know,
the team's just starting to warm up. And who's the
first person I seek? Jordan And she's impossible to miss.

(24:13):
She's surrounded by kind of an entourage. I had trouble
describing her outfit because I'm just not an expert on
women's clothes. But it was wild, just the whole you know,
there's Mike Lombardi walking by, who we had just written
a story that day before about him going to Saudi Arabia. Yeah, uh,

(24:34):
to try to raise money. Uh. And then I never
you know, I didn't cover I don't cover the NFL,
so I've never been in a Bill Belichick press conference.
And it was like a tiny little room at Cal Stadium, right,
so it's pretty close. And I I asked my question
and I got, uh call two three second pause and
then it is what it is. I was like, Okay,

(24:57):
I've I've passed that right a passage.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
The the interesting thing with North Carolina and Bill Belichick
and the wild thing is and I'm curious, just thinking
out loud here, you know that the finalists came out
or the second group of finalists not and finalists per
se for the Hall of Fame. He's up for the
Pro Football Hall of Fame for the first time, eligible
for the first time. The Scheyon kind of thinks snow
Brainder is going to get in over our guy Mike Holmberan,
who's going to probably have to wait another year. Yet
he's still coaching in college. So I don't know if

(25:22):
maybe some voters will when they discuss that they do
it a little room, and if they'll maybe that'll change
things a little bit. But the Belichick aura to me
has worn off as someone who covered the NFL for
a long time and was, you know, their media day
with him and all these other places. In fact, we've
covered a game in New England when the Hawks went
back there and beat him on Sunday Night football. There
is the aura about Belichick. I just find it weird

(25:43):
to have an and they're on to two and two
and four. They scored one hundred and twelve points all
season in in you know, in six games. Like It's
just it's so weird how who and what he is
is just not transling. And I know Stuart that it
doesn't always translate from college to pro or pro to college.
But this this thing that they're portraying is not coming
across on the field, is it.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
No. I mean, you're not getting you know, first of all,
you're not getting peak Bill Belichick. You know, like he's
hired straight off a Super Bowl. Things had gone south
in New England already, and I you know, it's always
a little awkward to talk about Jordan in the context
of this, But I think that whole situation, I think
people in football have come to view as like New

(26:28):
England Patriots, Bill Belichick would not get He would not
have somebody like that so inserted into his professional life.
He wouldn't have that as a distraction. She's down there
visiting him before the games, and so that's kind of
like the huh, what's going on here. Part of it,
the football part of it is they he and the
Bardi zero college football experience. They get hired two days

(26:50):
after the transfer portal opens. They have no pre existing
relationships or anything, and they need to go build a roster.
And so you think, oh, one way they could do
that to hire a bunch of coaches who are in
college football and who have those relationships. They didn't do that.
Freddie Kitchens as the ROFC like they they were dead
set on turning this into an NFL franchise, and I

(27:10):
think they're finding out the hard way, the very hard way.
They are definitely two different sports in that conference.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Steward, Is that conference in your mind a one or
two bid league? It feels like Miami still very much alive,
could run the table or maybe go and just lose
a conference title game. Georgia Tech and Haines king Man.
They're undefeated at seven to zero, ranks seventh in the country.
So is it a one bid league for sure? Is
there a chance two teams from the ACC get in?

Speaker 7 (27:37):
You know, I think there are two teams. Miami in particular.
Miami went out and beat Notre Dame. They also beat
USF who's top twenty five team, Like they can afford
to take a lost maybe even two off of an
ACC play and still have a pretty good resume. And
Georgia Tech, whose schedule has turned out to be pretty
light in the ACC, have a chance to beat Georgia

(27:58):
at the end. So I think if those teams do
that and then aren't in the don't win the conference title. Yeah,
they're absolutely in the mix for at large Berth. I
don't know that anybody else in the AEC would be.
And then the problem for the Big twelve is that
they don't have any team. They don't have any team.
They have a big non conference then like that, so

(28:19):
that I have trouble seeing in a large birth.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, b Y used to be the best team maybe,
but their non conference was, to say the least not good.
Along the way, final thing for you, Stewart the game
this weekend. Number three Texas A and M. A lot
of people think Texas A and M may be the
best team in the country. You wrote about Ohio State
and what they've done in their resume. When you kind
of look deeper into the resumes, you know, especially with
the Washington kind of stumbling last week and things like that,

(28:42):
maybe that Ohio State resume isn't as good even though
they're still up there. Hard to vote against a team
that hasn't lost in Forever Texas A and M number three,
they go to number twenty LSU. Brian Kelly and LSU
two and two in the SEC five and two overall,
clinging to hopes that they can get somewhere this season.
But boy, what would a loss do for not just
LSU this year, but Brian Kelly as a whole.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
They played A and M this week, and they go
to Alabama in the game after that, and he cannot
lose both those games. I mean, he just can't. I
think he might get fired after the second of those losses. Now,
it would do, but it would do a lot for
him to you know, let's say he wins this week, right,
they would jump up the rankings. They'd be back being

(29:24):
talked about in playoff contention. Like, it's just amazing how
much hit the perception of him could change based on
a couple of weeks. I don't. I think it's definitely possible.
I mean, A and M had trouble with Arkansas last week.
Even though LSU lost to and Andy, which I know
their fans are not taking well even though Andy's good
this year, the silver Lining with Garrett Mesmeyer had a

(29:47):
really good game. You know it was frankly mystifying the
LSU's defense play as poor way as it did. That
has not been the problem at this point. So I
do think Elis you can win it, and I think
he needs to win it because I would not want
to stake my future on winning in Tuscalusa against that
Alabama team is playing so well.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
What makes college football fun? Though? Like one game can
just change everything one way or the other. All right,
tell people if the Audible it's a great podcast the
three of you guys do.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Yeah, it's the Audible myself, thru Seldman and Rob Risso.
We go live on Sundays at eleven thirty am and
sorry a thirty am Pacific on YouTube, and then the
Tuesday and Thursday episodes hit your seed as soon as
you wake up.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah podcast, listen to it later or watch on the YouTube.
Those guys do a great job. It's a must listen
if you're a college football fan like I am. I'll
enjoy checking it out every week. Stewart, thank you so much.
We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
All right, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
There you goes Stuart Mendel joining us from The Athletic
the Audible podcast. Go check it out, download it wherever
you get your podcasts. We'll take a break, come back
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(33:03):
eight points through the first seven games. They're they're on
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(33:27):
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(33:47):
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(34:09):
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fans will put a final bow on it. How we
doing today? Give me your emotions, Mariner fans, how you doing?
About thirty six hours later, it's all kind of wrapped up. Now,
how are we doing?

Speaker 7 (34:23):
Sad?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Upset? Mad, moved on? Or is this going to linger
for a long time? Want to get your Mariner raw
emotion final thoughts there, raw emotionwise. And I told you earlier, Jess,
don't even bother putting your Celtic stuff in there.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
I didn't on purpose. And then you were like, I
can't believe he didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I know I had a whole bit set up for
it and it didn't work. But I have invoked for
the first time since the Mariners about a decade ago,
refuse to talk on the one to three show. Screw
you NBA eighteen years and your wait, your jackedice around
the last twelve months, I refuse to talk to NBA
and what's its? Something big day to day games, anything

(35:01):
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Speaker 2 (36:47):
Mike Ongrin joins our show on Wednesdays at two pm,
and we couldn't be happy to have them on each
and every week. Hello, sir, how are you?

Speaker 4 (36:54):
How's it going good?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Some good? I'm good, I'm good. We got it. We're
into a bye week, sir. We're into a week seven
weeks in of a seventeen game schedules. If Mike Holmbrian
was drawing up a schedule at the start of a
season and now you were you, they still had sixteen
games back when you were coaching. Sounds like a zillion
years ago. Wasn't that long they switched to seventeen, But nevertheless,
you get the point sixteen seventeen game schedule. How many

(37:17):
weeks in would you want your your bye week?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
I like to split it in a half exactly, but
normally that didn't happen. But they're pretty close now and
coming off a win and being able to catch your
breath and maybe relaxed just a little bit. It's a
good thing.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I'm ticket back. I believe you. Tell me if I'm wrong,
I believe didn't you usually have some incentives for your
guys going into a bye week, like, hey, let's let's
win this thing and we're gonna we'll definitely shut her
down for the entire week. And maybe there's some NFLPA
stuff involved, but it feels like I remember that there
was some pretty good incentives and maybe not just you,
but other coaches around the league, like, hey, big game

(37:55):
before the bye week, let's you want an extra day
or two, Let's let's get this win today.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
That's what you do, you know, That's why I did it.
And uh, and we were fortunate have to win the
game before the buye. I may give them a couple
extra days. You have to you have to use the
bye week a little bit excuse me for practice, just
a little bit. But then it is a it is
a time to refresh heel up, uh physically and mentally

(38:21):
and then come back just firing away when after the buye.
But yeah, that's that's quite an incentive. And they understood,
believe me. Believe me, they understood the incentive.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I know I would imagine, so like i'llgroom with us,
all right, let's uh, let's look back on Monday and
then kind of look where we are seven games in,
not quite the halfway mark of the season, but about
forty percent in and we'll get some thoughts. Let me
first start Monday. I. I don't know what your schedule was,
so my apologies in that regard. I know with the
baseball there's been a lot of stuff kind of shuffled aside.

(38:54):
So if you've already talked about this, my apologies, at
least I haven't heard it. Maybe our listeners haven't either.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
No problem.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I want to ask you about this tendency that now
we have seen. We talked about it with Jalen Milroe
a couple weeks ago. They and then the thing with
Monday with Cooper Cup throwing a pass when you're basically
in the red zone and your offense just in Darnold's
playing well and you're rolling there's this weird for a
very conservative team by and large, in a conservative head coach,

(39:21):
they've gone down this road a few times of like
the trick plays and trick o ration. I believe that
you weren't always a fan of that, in fact, to
the contrary. But what are my combrin's thoughts of, like, hey,
we're rolling along, let's let's have Cooper Cup throw a
pass and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh yeah, you know it that when he threw that one,
I'm going why, I'm going why why? Now had it worked?
We were just said wow, but instead I use the
other word why, you know? And I again, honest to goodness,
it goes back to my high school coaching days and
we played in a big playoff game in California and
you know, a lot of people in the stadium, and

(40:00):
we were doing pretty good. I think we had about
twenty point lead just before the half and we were
going down to score and I called, and I know,
ever do that? I called a double reverse pass and
it got intercepted and run back and I said, at
that time that had to be shoot. That had to
be how many years ago? At that time, I said,

(40:22):
never again? Yeah, never again am I going to do that?
And that's that was my philosophy. Now, clearly Clint has
a different philosophy. They have tried it a couple of times,
little things. It hasn't worked very well for him. So
it just you do you really have to think about
what the advantage was a disadvantage, and you'd like it
to work, and it's cool if it works, but a

(40:43):
lot of times they don't work.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think that was like one of the one of
the things, one of the maybe few things. But you
and Pete kind of had that in comics. We never
really saw that here with you during your tenure here
in Seattle, and then when Pete was here, the only
time I remember him really doing it for the most part,
was kind of out of desperation in the NFC Champan
Chip game against Green Bay when John Ryan through the
punter through the pass to Gary Gillian right of the

(41:05):
on the fake field goal. Right, that was and that
felt almost like kind of last gasp. But they were
down by thirteen or whatever at the time, right, And
it's like, Okay, maybe that's when you have to pull
that thing out, like in a desperate situation, but not
when you're dominating a game, right, Mike. I just that
just seemed odd to me.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
No, it was odd, And I to your point, that's
exactly why you probably don't have to do that. You're
you're you're rolling, it's going, good things are going. You
don't have to pull one out of your pocket.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
You can just stay with what you what you're going with. Uh,
Like I said, though, you know what and look at
I'm pretty careful about criticizing play calls because I you know,
of course I never made a mistake. No, I know
that the uh yeah notice, but that one, that one
surprised me. It really did.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, it kind of surprised us. All live and learn
to move on. Mike Holmgren joining us here on the
Beacon plumbing hotline. All right, let's get Mike Mike hong
Grin's evaluation here. Seven games in, Sam Donald is seventh
in yards in the NFL. He's first in average yards
nine point one four. He's eighth in touchdowns with twelve.
His touchdown percentage, which I think is sometimes a better indicator,

(42:14):
he's fourth six point three percent of his passes, fourth
in the league go for touchdowns along the way. His
interception percentage a little higher than he wants. Mid their
fifteenth in the league at four. He's got four interceptions
on the season. Average pass length nine point one nine
yards that is number one in the league. Average pass
length completion eight point six nine also number one in

(42:36):
the NFL. His passer rating is one O nine to
two is number four. So Mike ho Longrin, you're sitting
in the office and you're going Sam Donald's sitting across
from you. You're having your your mid season grades. What
are you telling him?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
I'm telling him, you're off to a great start, and
you're you're going through the positives, and then then all
of a sudden, if there are some things that you
feel could be better, you touch on those two. Everything's
not everyone's not peaches and cream. You know, you got
to kind of make sure you're still teaching and make
suring he's still striving. And but but they're off to

(43:12):
a great start and he's off to a great start,
and now we have to but now we can prove
how can he be better? How can we ask a
little more and then do it? And that's that's my approach.
I like that he's doing and I really think he's
He's everything they wanted him to be, and he can
He's playing well.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
They're averaging three point six eight yards per rush play,
thirtieth in the league. They're one oh six point one
yards per game, that's nineteenth in the league passing numbers
who went through SAMs and they kind of equate to
what the team stats are as well. One of the
best passing teams in the league. But again, they keep
talking about running the ball, Mike, why do you think
it's been such a struggle now they just put a

(43:53):
good defense. I get it in Houston. But the oddest
thing again, second half ten carries fifty six yards for
ken Walker or non existent in the first half, and
then in some key situations it's not Walker at Sharbonne.
I for the life of me, Mike, I can't get
I can't get by that. But it's not just ken
Walker than not getting enough opportunities because sometimes the stuff
isn't there. But what do you see just all around,

(44:13):
whether it's the run blocking, the decisions who's gonna run,
how they're going to run, what do you see in
that run game?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I think I think they they kind of back away
from it a little too soon, in my opinion, But
also I think I think they're still and it's we're
halfway through almost so we should be beyond this. But
I still think they're working up front on how to
do things with the lineman they have, and then let's

(44:42):
stay with it or we have to throw it more
or I would like to see more. I think the
more play action pass that's been very effective for them,
the more they do that they can incorporate more runs,
and instead of the running game helping the passing game,
it would be the other way around. The play action
pass would help the running game. And then call runs

(45:04):
instead of first down, call them on second and ten
or second to eight. You know, you can mix up
your play selection just a little bit. If I'm Clinton,
That's why I'm looking at too in this bye week.
You know, those types of things, because what it turns
out to be, they have not been very good on
third down. That's that's hurt them. And so that's another
thing they have to look at. But that's all part

(45:25):
of the running game. I think they're still looking to
see what they can do upfront.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, to Mike's point, thirty eight out of thirty two
teams in the NFL on third down percentage.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Well, yeah, it has not. It has not been good.
And and and they're better yet, you know what, they
keep winning. They winning because they have a really outstanding
they've got they understand it, they have an outstanding defense.
They're playing that way. Also, the teams they've played for
some reason, they come in and they do goofy stuff.

(45:56):
They've been a little bit fortunate, No, they've been a
little bit fortunate.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, there's there's no doubt. Michael Ungrew, I'll
go back to run the ball. We've had this discussion before,
and you know, like we always try to say on
the show, like I one guy that we have on
the radio station has been a play caller in the
NFL's names of Michael Hongren. So so like the rest
of us, you know, in everybody who thinks that they're
a you know, closet or an armchair offensive coordinator play caller,

(46:22):
none of us really understand. But I think it's important
to mention too, like you say, to get away from it.
Isn't that the hardest thing when you're calling plays in
the NFL is patients. Whatever your game plan is going
in right, like whatever you have you've done for all
your game planning for the week, all the hours you
put in the film study. I think you've said this before.
Isn't that the hardest thing is just the apps the
patience to stick with what you.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Believe that's right and then that that's exactly right. And
then the other thing is to understand in a very
quick period of time why it's not working, if it's
not working, and be honest about it and be honest
with your coke and get the information you need from upstairs.
Why we thought this would work? Why didn't it work?

(47:06):
And you have to know those things quickly so you
can adjust on the run during the game. So but yeah,
it listen, play calling was that's why I love play calling.
I loved it. But it is hard and it's frustrating
at times.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
That's a fascinating part of it. We haven't talked about that. So, yeah,
you've got you know, your whatever, however you distribute your
offensive We'll just go offense here. But however you distribute
your offensive. Coaches, now, you always had at least a
name and offensive coordinator, but you were the play caller.
But assume your offense. I'm sure your OC was upstairs.
You may have an offensive line coach, receivers, coach, running backs,

(47:43):
coach summer downstairs. Some are upstairs. You've got other you know,
the offensive analysts they call them now and things like that.
So when they're going through that, what are they looking for, like, Okay,
we're not able to run the ball here?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Because they'll say, listen, our right guards not winning a battle.
What they're doing schematic? Is it like a combination. How
does that process work?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yeah, well that's the information you asked for during the
football game, you know. And I had the privilege of
and it really helped me in my career of working
to the forty nine ers right away. And my job
was I was upstairs as an assistant coach, not knowing
what my job was my first game, but I charted

(48:25):
all a second, every secondary rotation, every player in the secondary,
and then Bill when the defensive come off, he'd want
that information, and so I did the same thing. Jim
Zorn gave me what the secretary the secondary was doing.
I left Tom Levat alone, you know, as an offensive
line coach, and I trusted him and so he worked

(48:48):
that out. But they give me information to help you
call the game, and it was vitally important. And then
the other thing I just want to say, then, I
want when I became coordinator at the forty nine ers, Well,
the whole time I was upstairs, I was calling the
game upstairs, not down on the field. And it really
puzzles me sometimes I thought that was much better, much

(49:09):
better calling the game from the press box or the
box you're in, you know, and you don't have all
the craziness going on on the sidelines and all that.
You can think, you can write, you can spread out,
you know, and now guys, you see guys on the
field a lot more. Now I became a head coach,
I had to do it on the field. But I
think if I had a choice, upstairs is better.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, I'm sort McDonald calling the defensive plays far the
same way right, leading on and Derdey, who's a defensive coordinator,
who's probably upstairs going Okay, I saw this, I saw this.
Here's what CJ. Stroud's doing, or whatever the case is.
But exactly, yeah, it feels that way. Listen, we're niitpicking here.
They're five and two. They're having a hell of the season.
It's just the running of the football. And like you mentioned,
like not many games you convert one third down I

(49:52):
think is what they did the other day and still win.
That's it and have four turnovers. But you mentioned it,
it's because the other side of the ball. You know,
we all heard about Mike McDonald when he got hired.
We knew. I saw it. I think you and I
talked about it. I covered the game in Baltimore the
year before, and when they went to Baltimore and just
got I mean, I've never seen a Seahawks team get

(50:13):
manhandled like they did in Baltimore by Mike McDonald's defense
that day. I mean, it was terrifying. And he comes
in and it's it hasn't taken long for them to
be one of the top three or four defenses in
the NFL. What jumps out at you about what they've
done first half, especially of this season on defense, Mike.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Well, I think they we started with a defensive lion.
I think they really have a nice combination of defensive
linemen and and with the past rush we saw for
Mimoso and and you know.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
He yeah, yeah, but DeMarcus Lawrence has made a difference. Huh,
Like he's made a big difference. DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, number zero,
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
DeMarcus Lawrence. So they they've done nice, a nice job
there with personnel first of all, and they're really good.
They're really good upfront, and then they're middle linebacker is
really good. Getting him, I don't know how they got him.
I don't know. I would never have traded him, but
they got him, and so they have the pieces and
then how you know that is their secondary is they

(51:15):
haven't played their guys. They've been hurt.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
No, they've been hurt. And this is exactly right, it's amazing.
If I'm going in against them, I'm saying, oh, I'm
licking my chops at the secondary, Look at the guys
are they're not playing? But you know they have functioned well.
Why because of the guys up front and the pressure
they put on the opposing quarterback. Having said that, I
don't think I don't think the teams they played have

(51:41):
been particularly strong upfront, and so it's kind of worked well.
So now they got to keep it going.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I was just thinking of you, I like, Mike Clomber's
prepping to go against the Seahawks, and you're like, Okay,
no jul In Love, no Devin Witherspoon. The week before
Rollan was out, we're down to We're down to Tayo
Katta in the secondary. And you know whoever they've picked
up off the street to go with job right, although
you know who has flash? He really flashed money, even
wore a number three who looks a lot different than

(52:08):
the old number three. Here the guy that play quarterback
a little taller.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
But I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Mean, I know the obvious comparisons are to Cam because
he's a tall and big safety. I don't know if
he's No One's Cam, But boy, he started to make
an impact, isn't he.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
He really is. I mean he's he's got great size,
first of all, kind of a unique athlete for the position.
And you know, he really stepped up and made some
plays and it's nice to see him. That's that's another
good addition. He's a young guy who was playing well.
That's a credit to Mike and how he's done his defense,
how they practiced, how they taught, and then I think

(52:45):
they went into the game and saying that, okay, I
don't if we don't give Stroud time, then he can't
pick on these guys. You know. So the pass rush
and how he called the defensive game that was hugueally
important and it was the right thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I love watching Jared Reid still seems to be, you know,
killing father time. You don't beat father time all that often,
but Jay Reid's making a difference out there for them too.
Mike great stuff. Is always appreciate having you on no
bye week for you. Keep on working, keep on grinding, sir.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah you toobe.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
All right, Okay, there you go here. That is Mike
Holmgren joining us here on the Beacon Plumbing hotline is
weekly Visit good stuff there. Uh talking about the seahaxity
of the bye week. Okay, here's what we got coming up.
We've got a factor fiction at two thirty five, it's
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Speaker 5 (53:33):
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so it was Softy in Dick snatched up our picks.

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Speaker 9 (55:40):
As for the Mariners, I've moved on. They had a
good run, tough loss. We'll get him next year. My
real question is if they keep Dan Wilson as manager.
Is that going to affect the re signing of Josh Naylor.
Well he look at that and say, I don't want
to be here because that guy doesn't know what he's doing.

Speaker 7 (56:00):
Just food for thought.

Speaker 10 (56:02):
I guess I'm just gonna wait till the World Series
plays out before I know how I feel about the situation.
If the Blue Jays win the World Series, then I'm
gonna be really really pissed. If the Blue Jays get swept,
then I probably won't feel as bad. So I don't

(56:23):
know if I'm the only one feeling that way, but
that's just how I feel.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I'm okay. I had my morning as soon as we
lost the two to zero and three to one lead.

Speaker 11 (56:32):
I hate to say it, but the Bats were just trash.
But no, my mind now is on ownership and if
they're just gonna pull what they did after the twenty
twenty three season where they just basically cut payroll.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
You know, we are lacked investing in the team whatsoever.

Speaker 11 (56:48):
You know, are we gonna see nailor lead to like
the Phillies or something for like a five year, ninety
million dollar deal.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Are they finally gonna be about winning? I doubt it?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Those are Those are three of the most elite best
talkbacks that we have had in a while. They've got
our people like that is that is elite. I love that.
Let me hit a couple of those things. One. I
know we live in a world where we want people
to get fired. I get that. And you know, you

(57:20):
listen to Nathan Chris yesterday talked about that. You know,
I mean they put Wilson in the category of probably
incompetent as far as the major league manager. He's not
going anywhere. They're having a news conference tomorrow. It's Jerry
Justin and Dan mm hmm. That's you. Now, there have
been times before where they've run guys out in different sports,
different teams Jim Morra and postseason news conference and then

(57:45):
fired the next day. But I don't that they would
have already done something. So he's coming back. Two, I'm
with you know the last guy said it. Well, yeah,
I think let's see what the off season brings. Are
you going to run it back? Well, to run it back,
you've got to invest more money. You assuming Polanco wants
more and opts out of this player option, assuming that
Naylor is going to get him. He's got an operation,

(58:07):
he's gonna have opportunities, and you got to pay him.
So that payroll will have to increase, not just because
Huo's contract goes up and things like that. It's gonna
have to increase. So let's see if they're able to
do that. Coming up by well, i'll tell you what's
coming up in the next sagn anyway, let's say, because
we have more talkbacks coming up. But let's get to
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we Us didn't have a lot of picks, only had three.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I missed on Calm minus ten against North Carolina. They won,
just got a little too close for comfort there, but
I was a win. That was a loss. Yeah, I
did win with Georgia and minus seven and a half
against Old Miss. Told you told you jo Miss is
not very good and Andrews. I should have talked to

(59:33):
him out of this one. I don't know what I
was thinking. He lost Atlanta plus one at San Francisco.
I was that was not a good pick. The rooting
interest part, I know, and I should I just didn't
like that pick and forty nine or just keep winning.
They're just pissing us all off anyway.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yeah, despite their injuries.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yes, I am going with a Stuart Mandel pick, ladies.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
And okay, let's go.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
If you were listening to Stuart Mandel an hour ago.
He had a great line and he said the following,
don't look at the number in front of the team.
It doesn't matter what was he referring to. He was
referring to Washington, New Florida head coach Jedfish and the

(01:00:17):
Washington Huskies taking on Illinois. Now, the Huskies are favored,
and I'm taking them because they're only They're favored by
minus four and a half. They don't have to do much.
I think they gonna win out right, And yeah, they
got to win by five or more. I think they
win by a touchdown or more at least against Illinois.

(01:00:38):
And Illinois might be ranked twenty third in the country.
Washington is a weird football team. Maryland they got the
win outside of that, and I guess Wazoo. They don't
win on the road under Jedfish. They just don't. Not
a good team on the road at home. Really good
football team, really good football team. I'm going Washington minus

(01:01:01):
four and a half fact four nine four to five
to one against the fighting line nine Washington minus four
and a half fact over Illinois four nine four or
five one. If you disagree, even if you're a coop.
Don't be disagreeing with me here. This is an easy pick.
I think that's a good pick fiction four, nine, four
or five one. If you disagree, now listen. Based on
our scoring this year, our particular show, I can understand

(01:01:25):
why I'm sitting at a solid six and thirteen on
the year soon to be seven and seven and fourteen
oh seven and thirteen. I'm gonna crawl back up there
around fifty percent here when it's all said and done.
That's what I'm doing. I'm promising wout I am starts
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coming off that long East coast road trip. So the
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Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Yep.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
All right, we wouldn't want that?

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Who wouldn't want that? Everyone wants that? Okay, go into
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more what you call it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Back? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Why do I have such a damn hard time with Doc?
We used to call him something else and all of that. Yes,
we will. I want to hit on this real quick.
We got a bunch of talk cracks. We have a
bunch on our NBA conversation for so we brought this

(01:02:59):
up in the headline and throughout the other The day,
the Squad School District reinstated Peyton belor at Skyline. Skyline's
one of the premier college football programs, at least it
has been perennially. It's they've been down a little bit
last couple years. Peyon's gotten back up. What they're doing
he's got a bunch of ex Skyline guys on his
on his staff. Their Skyline throw and through Gino and
a bunch of and some other guys too, And you know,

(01:03:19):
it's the great Skyline teams in the past where guys
like Cason Williams and Jake Heaps went and played. Steve
Jervis was their coach for a long time, did a
great job there. I think Matt Taylor was a guy
that followed him, also won a state championship. We did
a few games up there on kJ R over the years,
and I was always just so impressed by the support

(01:03:40):
they got from their community up there on the ridge.
It was awesome up on top of the hill in Issaquad.
What they did last week is everything wrong in youth
and high school sports this day. I thought, when my
kids were playing, we had a woman in our in
our world out in Maple Valley that her kid wasn't
getting what he needed to in terms of what he

(01:04:02):
thought for a feeder program for basketball. She was on
a committee, she fired a guy, hired another guy that
was his personal trainer, tried to get him on the
varsity as a freshman. I mean, just I saw all
kinds of stuff like that all the time. So a
group of people try to run a long time football
coach out. Saw a lot of people try to run
a long time basketball coach out why because they didn't
like him. One time a coach yelled at somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I don't know what Peyton did, other than my understanding
is after checking with a bunch of people, he benched
a senior quarterback who wasn't very good but whose parents
had influence on the district and the principal for a
sophomore quarterback who has done nothing but lead them to
the King Coach title. I know that they're a better
football team because I know who they lost to early
in the year, and they shouldn't have lost of that team, Tohoma.
So they made a switch for the betterment of the program,

(01:04:47):
and he got suspended accusations that were untrue. Don't ever
be that parent, man, don't ever be that parent. It's
just it's not just Peyton because we're friends and he's
a kug and no, no, this is bigger than that.
This is what everything wrong in youth sports. But it
was right there for all of us to see. There's
a shining example of everything wrong in youth sports and

(01:05:10):
high school sports. And you know what everything is parents,
You stop it. At last YSA Quad did the right
thing in the end. All right, Well, here's some more
talkbacks coming up next.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
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Speaker 12 (01:05:51):
He and my friendship here, damn right and God bless you.
Regarding the NBA talk, I just I'm done waiting. If
there's an official announcement, main sure, I'll go nuts that
and then you'll have my attention back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
But someone once described it. It might have even been
on your shows.

Speaker 12 (01:06:05):
People are just not interested in every quarter turn of
the screw anymore regarding expansion, but we're not even getting that.
We're going backwards. So wake me up when there's announcement
other than that, I'm.

Speaker 13 (01:06:15):
Out, Hey there, Ian Jessamine and Anders Chris Imburien.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
You know, with baseball season.

Speaker 13 (01:06:23):
Over and I've been doing this for a couple of years,
and with the NBA saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Screw you, we don't care about you, well, you know what, NBA.
I haven't cared about you since gas was two fifty
a gallon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
So just give me this sounder and let's go cracking.

Speaker 14 (01:06:48):
Thank you, Ian, Glad we don't have to hear the NBA,
at least during your show. The NBA has been dead
to me since they pulled the team from haven't watched
a game, haven't listened to a game, and will not.
They will not get a penny from me in any
shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Until they're back.

Speaker 14 (01:07:09):
Thanks again. I'm Kenneth from Everett here. I have a
good one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I had a couple of we'll get to in a second.
You missed it earlier. Jess kind of screwed up the
bit because I tried to predict what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
She was going to do, and I knew what you
were going to know, No, you did not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Know what I was gonna do. I just can't. But
I think you just were busy, you know. I think
you got busy in the headlines, which you always write
for me, and I thank you immensely for that. But
I looked in the headlines and I thought for sure
she would have Opening Night from the National Basketball Association,
some score in there that I and I was ready
to tee it up. I said, I'm gonna read it's
I'm bringing it back from pucking myself about a decade ago.

(01:07:47):
It's refuse to talk hashtag refused to talk, and we're
doing that with the NBA. Took me eighteen years to
get here, but refuse to talk, refuse to watch talk whatever.
On this show one to three, it's a complete Nutter
blackout until we get a team back. They give us
some realistic hope instead of Adam silver spinning that he
does all the time. We got two more hit a
one hit him.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
The NBA free zone is my new favorite place to be.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Screw the NBA.

Speaker 9 (01:08:10):
If I don't want the son, expect they kiss my ass.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Wrap up my feelings.

Speaker 13 (01:08:15):
On the season, it was amazing Cal doing big business,
Julio eating up, call him Junio, July Yo, whatever, but
for a doll come down to the end with the
manager making a bad decision. I hope this time next
year is the only thing Dan Wilson is managing is

(01:08:38):
a spirit Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
But he might time up and put.

Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
Christmas in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
All right. That was a little more of Marinice Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
It's okay for Dan. I like Dan. I hate the
fact that Dan's getting just absolutely crushed. He's meeting with
the media tomorrow with Jerry and and Justin So if
you think there was something going to happen, it's not
not that it was. But again, unless they pulled Jim Moore.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Junior, I can't see that happening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
I can't see that happening either. That's always the most
eventful press conference of the year. By the way, at
the end of the year Jerry Depoto press conference. Can't
wait to see what he says. Maybe it'll be uneventful
and I'll be good. Lots of questions to be asked.
We'll play that tomorrow as far as they refuse to talk.
Thanks guys, Listen, everyone has their own way to protesting
soft He started day one, no more Starbucks period, end
of story. Hasn't gone back since. God bless him for that.

(01:09:26):
And he does like caffeine. So I respect that. I
profited from the NBA for a few years thanks to
the Blazers in their pregame shows on TV. But since
I can't profit for him anymore, guess what I'm doing.
Refuse to talk. It's one hundred percent out. Refuse to talk,
you guys, are jealous still across the street. We came
up with that, weren't you because you didn't want to
have to talk about him, But you had to trust
me be honest with you, and we have to be nice.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
I know, I know, as the flash if you can't
say what you want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
It was yet we had two options here, yell and
scream about him every day or refuse to talk about him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
It was creative. I respected it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
That's it for us. Kevin Harlan today, Mike Florio today.
Hopefully he's not being a little whiny you know what
this time? So if he blew me off out two
weeks ago, he said to him last week, Mike, there's
a little thing called that major League Baseball playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Should we call Hulgrin and ask him about it?

Speaker 7 (01:10:17):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, we'll ask. And petros Apodacus.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
You know what? What are you doing to me?

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Do you have any idea he doesn't listen? Are you
kidding me?

Speaker 15 (01:10:29):
He's aware of everything. That was Ian Ferness. By the way,
Ian Furness, he wasn't. He wasn't mad at me for
blowing him off. He was mad at me for blowing
him off. Two minutes before the because I tried to
drag it out as long as I could. I think
we're gonna be okay. I think we're gonna be okay.
Give me a no, We're not okay. Give me a

(01:10:49):
tease for Petrols about that? If you if you hold
Petros in high regard, and you want to continue to
hold Petros in high regard, I would not listen at
four o'clock today. That's all I'm gonna say. He works
at the Dodger flagship right, Yes he does, Yes he does.
I would not listen at four o'clock. You still want

(01:11:10):
to admire Petros, if you want to look at Petros
as a positive in your life, I would.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Recommend not tuning in at four o'clock. And you'll find
out why. Well, guess what I'm doing at four o'clock.
For the mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness, this is
paddle Day saying so long everyone,