Furness Show 11-24: Seahawks win reaction with Hugh Millen, Mike Sando

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hardcore Football on Mondays at one o'clock with our good
friend Hugh Millan, who joins us right now. Hello, sir,
how are you?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm well?

Speaker 4 (00:25):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm good. I'm good. I don't know where to start
this thing. The Let me ask you a general question
about this game in this sense, because I was talking
to with the MJ in the mid day just moments ago,
and I think maybe I don't know. I know how
I kind of felt going looking at this thing beforehand,
and maybe it showed at times on the field it

(00:47):
was like, Okay, you're playing a one to nine team,
You're coming off that emotional, heartbreaking loss last seconds to
the Rams. You're going toe to toe with arguably the
best team in football, and you fall barely short. But no,
you can play with them. You're sitting there with a
seven and three record. You're really good. Everything's great. Now
you have to go across the country, second straight road
game against the one to nine Titans, a quarterback who
had the thirty third rated completion percentage in the NFL

(01:12):
thirty two teams. Keep that in mind, and out of
thirty four qualifiers in cam Ward and it ends up
being a little close. Do you think that there's a
mental aspect to that? Get at all, Hugh, going across
the country and all the things I just described.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Everything you just just touched, you know, ten Am, they've
been good at that. I look at it like, Okay,
if we had talked back in August and we said
that the Seahawks are going to be at this stage
eight and three after eleven games, and the three losses
are against playoff teams, So look at all the teams

(01:49):
that you've had to play that are not play I mean,
your only win against a playoff team right now it
is Jacksonville because Pits is narrowly out of it and
Houston is narrowly out of it. Right So, if I
had told you that you're not going to have an

(02:10):
upset to any of the non playoff teams, and in fact,
in just about every game, not only gonna step on
the Adams Apple from the jump. I mean, think of
how Seattle has been I mentioned Jacksonville, but against Arizona,
against New Orleans, I mean, they have put things away

(02:34):
really early, and so they've taken care of business. And
if I had told you that, well, one of them,
you're going to be in control. But you know the
opposition is going to score with forty five seconds to
go backdoor cover. Yeah, maybe a two on a nail
on your nails for the on side kick, but other

(02:56):
than an on side kick, you're not really gonna be
nerve about it. I don't know I would have signed
up for that. Yeah, I think So that means no losses. Yes,
in no, you're not being up quote unquote upset in
any of those.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, and we're we're now in the midst of college
football playoff time and we're looking at you know, wins,
right and losses and what's a bad loss, what's a
good win? All those types of things that they come
into play, and you know, you can't afford what you
just said, bad losses. Now, college football is not the NFL,
but I think it's a good compare. Like you said,
you're beating the teams you should beat, you know, and
the way this got. You can't control the way the

(03:31):
schedule sets up because the way the you know, frankly,
the way the schedule set up before the season. Pittsburgh
on the road, tough game, right, that'd be a hard game.
Washington's coming off a division championship last year. You annihilate them.
That's not your fault that they're not as good as
last year. I mean, so you've done what you need
to do. I think it's important. And I know you
were on the offensive side of the football. But Mike

(03:53):
McDonald in that last possession, so you know, the Seahawks
have that, you know, the full thirteen point lead, and
they get the ball back this Tennessee with five oweight
to go, and they end up going and Hugh, this
cannot be how you would draw it up if for Tennessee.
But it's exactly I'm assuming how Mike McDonald would want
it to go. A fifteen play, sixty two yard drive

(04:16):
for a touchdown at least just forty three seconds and
no timeouts left on the clock. That Mike McDonald's probably
okay with that, wouldn't he been? Uh? I mean, not
giving up a touchdown. But it's like you're you're kind
of giving stuff up, but you're not sure you're not
letting them get a big play, and all of a
sudden having a better chance. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, I mean I think he would have said, if
given three grades, you know, he said, that's the middle one,
we accomplish the objective with almost extinguishing the clock. Wouldn't
have been happy. I don't think he's ever gonna be
happy giving up a touchdown. But you know what, you
put a athletic quarterback that was the number one overall pick,

(04:53):
who is a talent he's got. He's got a big
time arm talent. I think he's got very, very, very
plus traits in terms of his pocket navigation when the
play gets off script. I wouldn't give him great grigades
yet for operating, you know, really in a timely funk,

(05:14):
professional function. But I think he's got such a bad
team around him. Yeah, it forces him to playoff script,
and he's got a real feel for navigating pockets and
looking for big plays and and you know, he's not
twitchy like Kyler Murray, but he's pretty damn athletic. And
he's stronger than Kyler Murray, so he can break through
a couple of arm tackles here and there, and so
I think he can be a load. And and you know,

(05:35):
he had some runs, you know, again and again on
fourth down, you know, extending plays or the ability to
run and pick up the first down himself. So give
him some credit. I mean, he's the number one overall
pick in the draft. And and and by the way,
not even close, right, there was no drama to that pick.
He was he was he was clearly the number one.

(05:57):
So I don't know, I just personally, I've been on
really bad teams. I've been on really good teams, you know,
the Cowboys during their their heyday and through their dynasty,
and even the best teams are going to have a
game where it's you know, not every opponent is UC Davis.

(06:20):
I don't even under quite honestly, I don't even understand it.
I mean, there was enough guys out yesterday emotionally that
that touchdown. Getting back to cam Ward made the comment
earlier that touchdown when he ran and remember he kind
of got upended on it, that that defense was so
flat into emotionally, they everybody's pad level was way too high.

(06:46):
Everybody was catching blocks. It was kind of like why
don't you make the play? You know, nobody was flying
to the ball. I mean, but the score was thirty
to ten in the third quarter, and so I think
that they were just kind of like, let's just get
this thing to h to double zero and.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
And and it kind of showed on some of the drives,
which gives Mike McDonald an opportunity to put it on
tape and and say, you know, as opposed to it,
had they had they had a game like the Washington
Commander game, right, and everybody's just going, oh, Seattle's back
and then surging them in the power and then now
everybody's you know, back to throwing bouquets at at the Seahawks.

(07:28):
Then now you got to say, hey, remember now, you know,
there's a lot of work we got to do. I
think that that there's almost an ideal blend of I mean,
certainly win is the most important thing, uh, staying healthy
is the next most important thing.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
But then being able to uh to get.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, learn some lessons and and try and derive
more focus and and and make adjustments. You know. The
the first quarter, Seawks are playing a bunch of man
to man, which on paper sounds good. It's like, wait
a minute, these receivers for Tennessee by NFL standards are
about as poor as you can be. I would say

(08:05):
probably they're receiving. You know, with Calvin Ridley out especially,
they weren't good. They weren't good with Calvin Ridley and
he's on IR So without them, I I have no
hesitation saying they are the thirty second ranked wide receiver group.
So for Mike McDonald to come out in the first
quarter and say, we're going man and man are our
our cats are just better than your cats. And and
yet they they didn't do a good job of handling

(08:28):
shallow crosses and which is you know, you know, you know,
kind of your your garden variety staple of to try
and beat man and man, particularly press man and man.
And uh, they weren't what's called cutting with the safeties
and passing off to robbers, the things that you do.
Robert would be a shallow whole player over the middle
that can help with the shallow cross and and what

(08:49):
have you? And I mean on the touchdown, Uh, yet
Emon worry and this is the last touchdown passed by Ward.
Uh that was man and man and and they do
just a basic garden variety pick on the goal line
and Josh job And is the outside guy. Emon Morey
is one man in. They do a little. The receivers

(09:09):
just basically do a criss cross, you know, to put
it in very simple playground terms, And you got to
communicate pass that thing off. I mean, it's in an
empty stadium. You're you know, they're not gonna be yelling
for the offense. I mean, there should have been ample
opportunity to communicate that, but they don't, and it's an
easy touchdown. It's you know, so I think that there
was just no question, a lack of focus on a

(09:34):
number of occasions. And again, I just think they were
trying to get the clock to double zero. And it's
the difference between theory and reality. If you're a fan
that says, wait a minute, these guys should never ever
ever have a single play, a single quarter, a single
drive where they are not emotionally supercharged. It's not baseball

(09:55):
one hundred and sixty two games. It's not basketball eighty
two games. It is football just seventeen. You know what
preach I agree with that in theory. In reality, show
me the team that exhibits that on every drive of
the season, and so, yeah, look, you had a really

(10:16):
devastating loss to the Ramsey didn't have Ernest Jones, and
you're playing a one win team and you've already you know,
so so the world that you can bootstomp on lousy
teams like it was like literally a no win situation.
So I don't derive any dissatisfaction by what I saw whatever,

(10:37):
But fan, how you want a fan? If you're concerned
that they didn't win by thirty, then you know that's
your prerograph.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I think, and I think what you said about theory
is so true because the reality is when you're playing
a seventeen game schedule and you have been playing really
you've been going, you know, throttle down since July twenty sixth,
right when training camp started. And training camp is one thing.

(11:02):
The week to week grind is another. But I mean,
I don't know if people and I don't fully understand
it because I didn't play in the NFL obviously, but
being around it for a lot of years, the grind
and the week to week it's going to wear on
you at some point. And it's different than an eighty
two game NBA or NHL season, But there are similarities. Yeah,

(11:23):
there's not a game, there's not four games a week,
there's one, but there's twelve hour days with meetings and
practices and all that that started back in July. You're
going to have a letdown. You're going to have those
weeks where you're like, Okay, it's a little harder to
get up for. And I think what the sign is
of a good football team. They didn't kick it right.
They didn't. They didn't lose it. They didn't. They didn't,
they didn't nothing. They didn't stub their toe. And the
NFL doesn't care. There's no style points, there's no CFP committee,

(11:46):
there's no committee here. You're in, you know, with whatever
you do when you go there, it is hardcore football.
T U Millon. I want to ask you about one guy,
specifically the next five minutes before we got to take
a break, and I'm really curious and I just want
to kind of empty laid it for you. Do you
like the way the Seahawks use Devin Witherspoon And if not,
what would you do? And this is this is I'm

(12:09):
you're gonna say I and you're the dumbest human being.
I've talked to you today and who I've talked to
like one hundred people. But I'm gonna tell you this,
I don't feel like I see Devin Witherspoon making as
big of an impact as I have in the past years.
And it's a great defense. And maybe that's by design,
they're just not going towards them or what have you.
But do you like what they're doing Devin Witherspoon or
is there a way to make him more impactful? I
do like it, okay, because I know he was involved

(12:30):
in the Blitzer Murphy got the sack and all that,
But I just it's I want to I want to
get your thoughts on how they use them and so forth. Well,
I do like it.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Now, keep in mind that here's a guy that at Illinois.
I don't have the the snaps, but it's pretty pretty.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Close in my memory, right.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
So he his ratio of outside plays was about six
to one. Okay, outside versus inside. Okay, So here's you're
talking about one hundred a guy that there was a
hundred eighty one pounds at the Combine and he played
again at Illinois and outside by a six to one ratio.
Approximately don't quote me. It might be five to one,

(13:11):
but it's it's something in those orders. So now he
comes in, and why was he the fifth overall pick?
I mean we did those shows. You were there at
rent with me, and you're like, who should they take
because this is a fifth pick? Yep, And I suck
it at predicting Seahawks draft picks through the years, twenty

(13:32):
seven years. I think I got two, So I'm I'm awful.
I said I would take Jalen Carter. To me, he's
worth the risk. And everybody's all upset about well, he
was involved with a you know, in a fatality where
they were racing the cars, and I said, listen, I
don't want to be crass, but there are some gms

(13:53):
behind closed doors that say, what's the problem. I don't
care if he's he was driving fast.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
In fact, I kind of liked that he was driving fast.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Now, obviously I don't need to say that any any
fatality involved, particularly the young person, this is a horrific tragedy.
But as you're evaluating Jaya anyways, sorry no, yeah, But
but to me, it's like, take Jalen Carter and we've
got the podcast to prove that, but you take the

(14:20):
fifth pick on one hundred and eighty one pound dB,
he better need more than just one hundred and eighty
one pound dB. And I was at the Falcons when
the Falcons drafted Don who was probably not much more
than one hundred and eighty one. He better be like
special if you're the fifth pick in the draft, you know, right,
and so well, what's special about him? Uber competitor, great instincts,

(14:42):
can hit like a son of a you know, for
his size. But Seattle, then they say, all right, let's
put him at nickel and let that that juice be
close to the line of scrimmage. Let him have havoc. Well,
it's just hard at that size to uh to have
of durability. And we he already missed different games this

(15:04):
year from two different injuries. And so to me it's like, hey,
you drafted Emon Worry, who is not one hundred and
eighty one pounds at the combine was exactly two twenty.
You got a nick you're replacing a Nickel. And Seattle,
by the way, I got updated this week, but they
were they've been number one in the NFL in use
of nickel, like over like eighty six percent of their snaps, right,

(15:27):
So Seattle's going to play nickel. Who's gonna be the nickel?
And and and as a quarterback, I look and say, well,
what do you mean nickel? It's just the nickel Sam.
Like if I was in a quarterback meeting room, I said, Okay,
Drake Thomas is the will, and Ernest Jones is the
mic and and uh Devin Witherspoon before and Nick Emn
Worry now, I said, Nick Emon wore a number three.
He's the nickel Sam, Like, Okay, so he has he

(15:49):
has outside linebacker attributes.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
So they're going to play the nickel.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I just think it's, well, it's tempting to play
Devin Witherspoon maybe because of the athleticism and the juice.
I would just much rather have those thirty nine extra
pounds in the package of a total athletic freak, right
in Emon or Yeah, so I uh Now, Witherspoon's competitiveness

(16:15):
still pops. I mean you saw him on bubble screens
and you know, and and outside plays stretch. I mean,
he's gonna battle you. It's just you're gonna take He's
gonna take less of a pounding. And he has this
the physical traits to be an outside corner. So to
answer your question, for these reasons, yes, I like exactly
what they're doing. In fact, when Witherspoon came back, remember

(16:38):
there was that that change that we only saw four
plays early on in the year with Witherspoon and m
and Rory right, and then so then when Emon Wory
got healthy, Witherspoon was hurt and so I can't remember.
It might have been the Airs of Zona game, whatever
the game was. I was like, I cannot wait to
see what they do with Witherspoon and Emon Wory now
that they've got him healthy. If I if I was

(16:59):
my Donald, I would have the M and Warrior as
the nickel and and bump Devin with a spoon out.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's that's what I was hoping to see. And that's
exactly what he did. Good. That's perfect. That's a great explanation,
and I think that makes makes sense in a lot
of ways. And yeah, I mean em and Warri is
just a treat to watch that guy play. And you know,
you have you have unique talents and skill sets and
all those things. And that's why I wanted to have
you answer. That's why we have you on for hardcore football, right,
we come back. We got to talk about Jackson Smith

(17:26):
and Jig but it's hardcore football. So we'll break down
the sixty three yard touchdown pass and talk a little
bit about Sam Donald's day as well. And they're taking
on the Vikings this week. His old team might be
a little extra juice for Sam Donald. We'll talk about that,
Hugh Millen. Hardcore Football continues.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
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Speaker 1 (18:05):
Why we're back rolling along, you're milling with us, Hugh,
All right, So, I mean, I guess I'm glad we
talked about Witherspoon because you know, I don't know why,
and then and you're watching it far different than I am.
It just kind of felt like the witherspot I see
in the past. Maybe he isn't jumping off the screen
as much as it had in the past.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
You're right, and in the slot you would expect the
guy to bring the heat and pop over the course
of three hours, but at cornerback oftentimes. No news is
good news. Got three hours. I remember his name coming up. Yeah,
well it did a couple of times in tackling. Yes,
you know that's a good thing when you say, oh,
I haven't seen twenty one today.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, and I mean yeah he had and he
had two pass defense, So I get that. But yeah,
it makes it does make sense that that that is
a position less is more right right less? More like
Keifer would tell you, like left tackles. Yeah, oh I
don't remember. Let I don't remember Charles Cross. I remember
thinking about him during the game. That's good, Yeah, no
it is. I do remembers tackles yesterday though they each
each of them had a penalty across a had two

(19:06):
disablehead one. All right, let me get to what Let's
see what times everyone, Okay, I want to get to
a couple of things here. Let me let me just
first because I can't go a hardcore football segment without
talking about a guy that has to be a first
team All Pro. He's on the pace to set maybe
still an NFL record. He's already set the Seahawk single
season record for receiving year as Jackson Smith and Jig,

(19:26):
but he popped Hugh eleven o two mark in the
second quarter, sixty three yards from Sam Darold. This is
ourcore football walks through it, sir, you want you want
that touchdown? Yes, okay, So it's it's it's man and man.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
And when Jackson Smith goes in motion from left to right,
he's going to line up on a trips right as
the innermost guy. What defense is called number three out
of the trips, but it's a safety that is in
outside leverage. Number thirty seven. I didn't get the rosterrup,
but thirty seven is the hooker.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
A hooker. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
And so as a quarterback, if I want, if I'm
gonna throw a corner, a corner route is obviously an
outbreaking route. You go vertical up and then you stand
at approximately twelve yards and you go diagonally and up
the field right corner rout. So there's different angles you
can take it on. And just think of an analog clock. Okay,

(20:20):
so the center, you know, twelve o'clock would be straight ahead.
Three o'clock is a right angle. So at corner route,
let's just to keep it in real simple turn do
you want to do? You want to take a flat
angle like it's going to two o'clock off to the right,
or a high angle like you're going to one o'clock.
There are coaches that coach, hey, always try and bend
that thing at two o'clock. It's an easier completion. Quarterback,

(20:44):
pull them to the sideline. We're not going to get
any run after the catch, but we're going to get
a higher chance for a completion. Some coaches say, all right,
take the high angle if you have it, and in
this case, you see JSN. He says, well, I got
a safety on the outside. He's low enough on the
low shoulder that he can't really cross his face and

(21:06):
go to two o'clock on the analog clock. So he now,
he says, well, I got to go to one o'clock,
and so he's got to go over the top of
the well. He doesn't have great speed against a dB
or a corner, but against the safety, he has adequate speed,
you know, to be opened by maybe a step step
and a half. That's still a long throw. That ball
was in the air fifty three yards wow. Okay, the

(21:28):
NFL calculated at forty three air yards. But but from
where Donald was left hash five six yards behind the line,
of scrimmage and then you count that the diagonal. I
calculated it. It was in the air fifty three yards,
so you're you have to you're trying to walk it
to a guy on the dead run from fifty three
yards away. It was slightly underthrown, I mean barely underthrown.

(21:53):
But that's where Jasn's brilliance is where he then with
a guy on the outside technique, he's he's gonna just
push him just barely enough to get a few inches
of separation, but not so much to get the offensive
pass interference. It's like the perfect amount. And then you
know when guys are draping around him and distracting him

(22:15):
and what have you. He wh when you're running full
speed and you look back at that ball that the
ball is shaking because your head is shaking. Like there's
a lot of receivers have a hard time with the
nuance of being able to finish the catch with deep
you know, the dB all around him and grabbing and
pushing on your arms and was, but he is just

(22:36):
he's the next level at that stuff. So that that
was just a huge part of it. And then and
then it was third down and the defensive line for
the Tennessee They align their defenders way to the outside.
You would never line that up that way and first
down right because you don't have the A and the
B gap covered on the right side, but you figure

(22:58):
it's third downs of passing down. So there they got
two pass rushers on the outside of Abe Lucas and
they're trying to what's called a five technique and a
nine technique that they're out wide and they're trying.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
To get out wide. But it opened up a.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Vision lane for Sam Sam Darnold that was just very rare.
It was like seven on seven for him, So he's
able to take three hitches, great protection, not just great protection,
like very rare protection, and then a beautiful ball and
a beautiful finish.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I just I it was one of those plays. You
it's third and six and and all of a sudden
he drops back and he said as you described it,
and then the balls heaved down the field. I'm like,
what are you doing? Okay? Good? Like like just I mean,
I'm just thinking to myself, just get the first down
and then and I'm thinking that for whatever would have
been maybe a second and a half of airtime when

(23:49):
that ball is in the air, and then I saw
then into into the frame comes eleven and I'm like, okay,
that's fine, Like it's it's it's the chance and and
and you know, boom touched on. Thanks for coming. The
trust he's got to have in that guy is amazing.
The homework. I know you've probably started on it, and
I don't expect you to do it because it's for
next week's morning show. I thought it was an interesting question.

(24:11):
Tell folks with Homer asked you this morning.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Oh yeah, he wants to know how many of Jackson
Smith and Jigba's targets are where there's somebody jamming and
impeding his progress. Be it manned man and what's called
two man five hunder man and man with two safeties
on that that half that would be one of the things,
or rolling the coverage if he's an outside on guy,

(24:35):
that's where the corners in the cloud and the safety
is over the top. Cloud is a universal football term
that means corner begins with a C, cornerback in the flat.
The corollaries to that is sky. That's universal football terminology,
which means safety is in the flat. So any cloud
would be would fit that. And then if he's in
the slot, is there an overhang defender that's walked out

(24:58):
and and impeding his free access? So it's really free
access is when I look, if I have a really
good receiver, I want to know whether he's in the
slot or whether he's outside. I said, are they allowing
him free access? Meaning he's not jammed at the line
and jam could be a zone which you know, rolled
as I said, or or it could be I'm looking

(25:19):
for off coverage on the outside and the overhang defender
is trying to midplay.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, he may be responsible even though he's lined
up you think in the C gap. If there's a
defensive end out there, there can be a uh. If
jas N is in the slot, there could be There
are some fronts and and run fits where you say,
you're lined up in the slot, but you have the
B gap the gap between the guard and the tackle
even though you're out you know, out there on the
uh overhang. So so some of those guys midplay. Well,

(25:47):
that allows free access. So that's that's what he's he's
asking for. But you know, a note on Darnold and
the cohesion that he has with j s N. Last
year j s N on what is turned by the
NFL catchable air yards. That's not my term. Catchable air yards.
For the entire season, JSN had eight hundred and six

(26:11):
thus far this year, JSN has eight hundred and eighty
and he's still got six more games to go. And
the next closest guy is George Pickens at six thirty three,
so he's got I know that the yards are you
know about that ratio in terms of JSN. So these

(26:31):
aren't new numbers if you're just looking at the yards.
But I think it's again notable that the catchable air yards.
So what does that mean? It means that.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Sam Darnold is pushing the ball down the field.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
He's number one in the NFL in yardsbear attempt, number
one in the NFL yardsbear completion, and he's pushing the
ball down, but he's giving JSN castable opportunities.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That's awesome. It just it's a thing of beauty watching
that right now, watching number eleven. And we'll tune in
next week when you finish your homework. I'm given to
you by professional Honger, and I like it, yes, and
I will report to you as well. I appreciate that Okay,
when we come back, I want to ask you and
actually a couple of people on the text line I
just randomly texted this in. I saw this and I said,
all right, well I'll ask you, uh, if you can

(27:14):
speak to the first Cleveland quarterback to win in his
first start in like a zillion years, Shudour Standers. We'll
do that coming up next on ninety three point three KJFM.

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Speaker 1 (27:43):
All Right, our football wrapping up with you, Millon, let
me a couple of people on the text line wanted
to get your thoughts to you because you mentioned it.
Cam Ward was the unquestioned number one pick overall in
the NFL draft this past spring. As you mentioned, there
wasn't really even a debate about it. There was a
lot of debate about Shudur Sanders and where he should go,
where he will go, where he finally did go after
Dylan Gabriel. We should point out on day three he

(28:06):
had his first start over the weekend and the Browns
won the game twenty four to ten over the Whoa.
That's a whole different topic are raiders with Peeing Company,
but they went at twenty four to ten. Sudor Sanders wins.
This gets the first win as a Cleveland starter in
his first in his debut first start, I guess, and

(28:27):
I think it was nineteen years. He was eleven of
twenty for two or nine yards and an interception. He
had a touchdown eighty seven point three passer rating touchdown
with sixty six yards if I'm not mistaken. It was
a short throw, catch and run. And then he had
a fifty two yard pass as well that might have
had more air yards. Hugh. My math tells me the

(28:49):
rest of the game he threw for ninety one yards
when he take away those two plays. But I didn't
see the game. I'm just looking at numbers. Your thoughts
on Shuder Sanders' first career start.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I watched the lot of it. I didn't see everything,
but you know, regarding his numbers, as you said, he
had a sixty six yard touchdown on a swing route.
The NFL calculated they always do air yards on every attempt.
It was minus five, meaning in their calculation it was

(29:20):
five yards behind the line of scrimmage. So he throws
a swing pass, So obviously that's a gift from the gods.
Butt early on in the game, he had been flushed
out of the pocket through you know, one of the
best passes of the weekend, you know, hit a guy
in a diamond and that went down to the two
yard line. You referenced that play. So but if you

(29:41):
take away that sixty six yard swing route that was
caught five yards behind the line of scrimmage, he would
have been ten of nineteen, one hundred and forty three yards,
no touchdowns, a pick, and a passer rating of fifty
five point four. So I would just say pump the brakes.
It was a very easy on ramp. As you allude

(30:02):
to playing the Raiders there and where they are at
this juncture of the season, He's going to get his opportunities,
I know in that division. I haven't looked at their schedule,
but but if he's going to start the next five games,
six was a five left, he uh, he'll he'll get
tested and we'll see. I think that he's matured. If

(30:23):
you want to make an argument that he's matured. You
can find evidence for that. But then he'll do things
like what he said. I thought it was so bad.
I thought it was AI. I didn't believe it when
somebody sent me this text what he said on the
field or he said, and I did that with only
one week. Just think what happens. I thought, that's not real.
That's that's one of these AI skit you know, skit things.

(30:46):
And well it turns out it's real. And so I
just I think that he really needs to think about
how he comes across to his teammates and and you know,
that's just he's in the same SITUA is every young quarterback,
no different. I can't even believe this is a talking
point about you know, you know what reps he did

(31:07):
or didn't get. He was a fifth round draft pick rookie.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, I bet you got.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
He gets more than ninety five percent of fifth round
draft pick rookies.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
No.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
We had that conversation with Holgrin last week about the
exact same thing. It's like people were losing their mind.
It can't believe he doesn't ge any reps and all this,
and like Mike's like, yeah, that's how it works in practice.
That's you don't get the reps when you're number two
or three on the on the depth chart was four. Yeah, exactly.
They had Pickett. Yeah yeah. The All right, let me
let me throw one more little wild card at you.
Because I mentioned the Raiders. I'm curious, just top of

(31:38):
your head, somebody says to Hugh Millin chip Kelly and
he just got fired yesterday by the Raiders and feels
like he's been fired a lot outside of his success
at Oregon. When I say, chip Kelly, what what do
you think of?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think of the like a stock market, like the
most volatile stock you could imagine. Because when he hits
the scene under it would have been Mike Bla at Oregon,
it'd been the offensive coordinator at New Hampshire. Anybody could
have grabbed him, including the Huskies right and the Cougars right.
And somehow Ballotti saw something and he was incredible. They

(32:12):
had a decade the Ducks where they won over eighty
percent of their games. I hate to say it, I
wish it wasn't true. Washington's never had a decade like that,
and I mean, that is a remarkable number. And chip
Kelly was kind of right at the center of that.
Then he goes to Philadelphia in year one, like, he
goes and and they don't even run the same offense.

(32:36):
You know, they drafted Matt Barkley in the fourth round.
I was certain that he needed an athletic quarterback to
run and stuff. He has success early on in Philadelphia,
and then that ways. Then he goes to San Francisco
and he's the head coach. He does nothing. He goes
to Ucla, he does nothing, and it's petering out so
bad that he says, I'd rather just be an offensive

(32:56):
coordinator for Ohio State than a head coach of UCLA.
He is then the most unbelievable see you know, he's
like the dude. Uh So, now the stock is back up, right,
and then Pete Carroll says, yeah, that's a hell of
a stock. I won't give me some of that. And
then now he got now the stock plummets again. I mean,
this guy is if you're if you're buying and selling

(33:17):
stock in chip Kelly, you have gone for a ride.
Because it's been at the highest and the lowest in
multiple occasions on both the peak and the valley.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, I always kind of look back at the Oregon time.
I mean, that's a program that Rich Brooks started, Mike
Belotti built to that next level. He took over for
Gary Crochton, I do believe as the offensive coordinator. Uh
and and then like I don't know, I mean, did
he build something there or did he take over for
in a great situation with Bolotti, you know, I guess.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Well, he took something and then took it to another level.
Oh yeah, he absolutely took it to another level. And
you know he kind of hit everything, you know, the
pace and how they played, and that was when they
were really you know, unique, hitting their stride with the
new uniforms and the marketing and so everything that Oregon
was doing at that time was a novelty, right and

(34:12):
people go, oh, this is new. Well then, you know,
ten years later kind of everybody was doing it, and
then Oregon fell off because you know, I'm not saying
everybody was out to copy Oregon, but it just a
lot of things they were doing was making sense. So
you know, they would they would say, after a long completion,
I want to snap the ball in less than fifteen seconds.

(34:32):
So they would practice that. Their lineman would scream and
they would like they could they could communicate the play.
They could get up and snap the ball in less
than fifteen seconds after a thirty yard game. And they
had a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, and their system, you know, they were they're just
like three or four running plays, just have a lot
of speed. Quarterbacks didn't have to have great arms or
great processing ability. Every team was so concerned about run
fits with their running game and playing fast that they'd
get guys receivers running open. And it really wasn't, you know, anything,
any real exquisite precision. It was just the pace at

(35:09):
how they didn't and what they what they made you
do to try and stop that quick running game.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, it didn't translate with Pete and Gino this year.
That's for damn sure. That stocks you can get.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
I'm not touching that stock. No, I have no idea
what the future bringing for that guy.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
But the more volatile guys than him, right, yeah, yeah,
exactly exactly. You still have to have some dudes, and
doesn't I mean the whole thing, the Raiders thing, And
we only care because it's Pete and what he did
here can never ever be taken away, you know, I
just I don't know selfishly, I wish he hadn't gone

(35:44):
there because it just feel like it's a dumpster fire
and no one can succeed. I mean, the introim coaches,
the only guy's been above five hundred the last twenty years.
For them, they haven't won a playoff game in nineteen years.
The coulds of fame, That's what I'm That's the thing
I'm worried about. You know. For him, it's it's legacy.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
He might have been on, you know, on the cut
and this could have pushed him back, just like with
russ Yep.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, I think two guys that were on there. All right,
my friend, you bet Homegeren gave you homework. So we'll
check in with you next week. Okay, good stuff, take
care of that's you email and hardcore football. I know
you will hardcore football. We'll come back in. We'll check
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around the NFL.

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Speaker 1 (36:29):
Sports headlines Headlines about you by Frostbury cors I choose chill.
By the way, a little headline just came in a
second ago. We're talking about your Sanders. He will be
the starter for Cleveland this coming week, so he'll get
his second starting though Dylan Gabriel has cleared concussion protocol.
See hows came out Victoria. So the Titans this weekend
thirty twenty four to the final. In that game, sales
eighth win of the year, eight and three. Right now,
as it stands, they would be the number five seed

(36:51):
in the NFC playoff race. Brams were winners yesterday. I
don't know if you guys saw that. So they're a
good team. They're really good at football. How about Baker
Mayfield throwing his arm out at the end of the Halfey? Okay.
Seahawks wins Sam Darerald sixteen to twenty six two forty four,
two touchdowns, Cam Moore twenty eight to forty two, two

(37:12):
fifty six and a touchdown JSN good again, one sixty
seven two touchdowns, single season franchise record for receiving yards.
That's pretty good, right, I thank you, considering where we
are in the season. Where are we? We just finished
our what twelfth game game and be eleven sir, yes,
so would be eleven. So yeah, that's probably okay. When

(37:34):
it's all said and done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Monday
Night football tonight, your friends, the forty nine ers gross
are in action. Gross gross, fucky. You don't like the
forty nineers take on taking on the Panthers a Carolina
in Santa Clair. It should be fun. Let's go. It's
actually not a bad game. Carolina can do us all,

(37:54):
bce Young, just just do us all a favor. Take
them out. Just be done with this thing. We don't
need to see these guys do will Oh no, no,
I had something else I want to get to. Oh
did you guys see Jamiir Gibz yesterday? Yeah? That was
that pretty good game. Fifteen carries, two hundred nineteen yards,
two touchdowns. House won from sixty nine. That's pretty good.

(38:16):
It's all right, okay, cracking overtime yesterday a losing a
shootout to the Islanders. Won nothing. On Saturday, they also
went to overtime back to back ot games and a
shootout tossed in there. They beat the Penguins three to
two on Saturday night, so they go to one and
one on their four game road trip. The best start
in franchise history continues with another point yesterday. Next up,

(38:39):
they'll be hosting the Dallas Stars Wednesday, Climate Pledgerini can
hear that game right here on ninety three point three
KJR fm uwat UCLA forty eight to fourteen in a
dumpster fire of a football game. To be honest with UCLA,
man huge uses a term all the time, Harry High School.
That's what they are. WAZU lost to GM you once again,

(39:02):
another close one, but another loss for Jimmie Rodgers. He's
got to beat Oregon State this week in their finale
to get Bill eligible. By the way, the Huskies and Ducks,
it's duckweek this week. Macquack of the Huskies. Mike Sandle
standing by.

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Speaker 1 (39:36):
Mike Sando joins us here on the Beacon on the
hotline our weekly visit with Mike, which we always enjoy.
He writes the Pick six column at The Athletic. Theathletic
dot Com Mike, I referenced not one, but two things
you wrote today in my crosstalk session with Mark James
at twelve forty five today. That's how good the pick
six was? How are you, my friend? Pretty good?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
What about the other for?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, come on, well, I got the rest of
the week. I got the rest week to get to
all those things. It was an interesting weekend in the
National Football I'm gonna stay with this just because we
talked about with Hugh mill In a moment ago and
we just found out that Shud door Standards will indeed
be the starter this week. I don't know if there's
a more polarizing young player in the NFL than she
do or standers going back to the draft and even

(40:17):
his time at Colorado. But they come up with a win,
which starting quarterbacks in their first start for the Browns
normally don't do. They did beat the Raiders, which that
we need to point that out. It's the Raiders, but
they did beat them. His numbers were skewed by a
swing pass. It goes for sixty two, but they get
the win. So, as you wrote, it's the narrative, which

(40:38):
one do you want to choose? So which one does
Mike Sando choose Hey, let's see more.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
You know, I think that it would have been hard
to go back to a different player because they won
the game, right, And as a coach, you're probably taking
the field of the locker room, right, you know, with
the guy. You can't lie to the team if they
feel like, you know, Sanders gave him a spark of
some kind, let's go with them, you know. So to me,
I think this makes the most sense, and I'm anxious to.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
See him play.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
You know, I think he did not overly hold the
ball yesterday, which was the number one you know, probably
complaint in college. He just took a lot of sacks,
and yeah, the attitude stuff, I mean on the field
sometimes he you know, there was a play last year
where he an offensive lineman went to help him up
and he hit the hand away, you know, and so
some of that stuff, I think we're I just want

(41:27):
to see him play, you know. I think those types
of things are good for the draft build up and
talking about it. But now he's on a team and
he played and he wasn't horrific. I mean, we've seen
some guys, you know, JJ McCarthy's really struggling. We've seen
some other guys struggle. I thought, you know, for the Browns,
this wasn't It wasn't like he didn't lose the game. Now,

(41:48):
they were so good on defense and special teams that
maybe anybody would have won the game. But I thought
he was, Okay, you know, let's see more.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Let me stay with that game, because again, I'm just
something we've been discussing today on the on the radio.
The move was made by the Raiders. They get rid
of Chip Kelly. They followed to two and nine on
the season. It's just there's been it's just been been
a nightmare season for Pete Carroll and that Raiders franchise.
Right now, when you talk to guys around the league,

(42:16):
what do you hear about about the Raiders. Are are they
in the first year of a rebuild or where are
they at right now? Because I personally I love Pete Carroll.
You've got a Super Bowl for our city. I think
a lot of fans would echo those sentiments. And since
the Raiders aren't even in the same conference, you can
kind of almost trying to root for him. If I
don't know, Geno's maybe a different story. I worry and
he and I were talking about this. I worry about

(42:38):
Pete Carroll's legacy. We know how hard it is for
coaches to get into the Hall of Fame. He at
best was probably Mikey, you would agree. I'm assuming it
was probably borderline Hall of Famer. I don't know if
this hurts his legacy or his candidacy, but it just
just seems like a complete debacle there.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Well, it doesn't help him. I think anything that dilutes,
you know, your crowning achievement. I think the arc of
Pete Carroll was he was a pretty good NFL coach
with the Patriots, went reassessed his life, his career, how
he wanted to do things, came back as an amazing
coach at USC which you know isn't part of the

(43:13):
Pro Football Hall of Fame thing, but but we know
it's there. You know, it was part of his journey,
and then came to the NFL and proved that that
approach that people wondered if it could only work in
college super positivity, you know, was great for the c
X and he won with it and he built an
amazing culture with it. So if he wins the second
Super Bowl in Seattle, it's he's probably in. You know,

(43:35):
that's how close it comes. And now I think this
is something that will have to be assessed. It's not
helping him right now, but you know there's time and
there's you know, we'll see. I do think this though,
it's gotten harder, as we've learned with Mike Holmgren for
these coaches and non modernary players to get in at all. Right,
so you know this complicates it for him probably, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I mean Mike's resume right now is better than Pet's, right,
I believe, I mean the three super Bow yeah, yeah.
And if Mike's waiting and Pete's gonna wait, Pete needs
to probably do something and not continue to have issues
with with this this particular franchise.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
I think though, if he can turn it not it
doesn't have to win a championship with the Raiders, but
if he can kind of get him going like he
did in New England where you're a waiting team and
go to the playoffs, I think that would be that
would actually be good relative to where the Raiders have
been and could actually help Pete.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
What do you hear around the league, What do you
hear from you talk to a lot of executives. What's
the story with now that he's out in LA what
happens at chip Kelly next? Does he have another NFL
job in him or is he need to go back
to college? What do you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
I don't think so, you know, I don't think so.
I don't know how you heard the stories about the
Raiders were paying him six million a year, and I'm like,
who else was going to pay him five? Four or three?
You know in the NFL? I just haven't. I just
don't see that, and it doesn't obviously it was a disaster,
but the Raiders. So you know, in coaching it always
comes down to who you know usually, but he seems

(45:01):
like somebody who you know. Maybe it's run its course
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
So many jobs open in college. I wonder if he
goes back down that road. I mean, there's so many
big time college jobs open, all those Power five conferences
powerful I guess it is nowadays. As Mike Sandel from
the Athletic joining us, all right, what I met reference
with MJ earlier is your I thought it was really
interesting about Kansas City. Yes, they beat the Colts yesterday,
but we still see some blemishes and Wartz there. And

(45:29):
it starts with the running game, does it not?

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yes, just being able to look. They don't have to
have a Hall of Fame running back on their team,
but I think that it would help them make it
easier for Patrick Mahomes to hit those explosive plays if
people when they played the Chiefs actually were worried about
them running the ball and to do that. It's more
than part of it's having a good back, but part
of it is just having the structure of your offense

(45:54):
set up in a way that the run is convincing.
I think they've just drifted and drifted to the point
that they're probably a little more spread out, and there
are a lot of times from the shotgun now this
this game, there was a little bit more, you know,
under center. But they're running with Kareem Hunt. You know,
they're running with Isaiah Pacheco. I don't think those guys
are getting the attention and really helping out Mahomes enough.

(46:17):
So hey, they may have finish strong anyway, Wherehi Rice
is who is good? Obviously Mahomes is good and you
read's good. But what I wrote was, you know, if
they were to have a bad year or miss the playoffs.
I think it could cause them to do some reflecting
and maybe make some changes for the long term that
you generally don't make when you reach the championship game
or even the Super Bowl. So that's kind of where

(46:39):
I was coming from, and I believe that completely.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, I mean and listen, they're not more than likely.
More than likely, they're not going to win the division.
They're three games back of Denver right now, So it
would be a whole different path right for this Broncos
team in Pat male Holmes, if they do make the playoffs,
are going to have to go on the road, and
that's a different deal than playing at Arrowhead in January.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yep, And they could still do it, but I just
think it's harder for them. So if I were looking
if I were them looking at it objectively, I would say, hey,
how can we get to where you know, we're structured
a little differently?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Well, it's odd because like the dominant team we've kind
of felt like has been Philadelphia for a while right
in the NFC, Kansas City and the ASC a little
bit of a changing of the guard this season. What
were Mike Sandos takeaways for what happened with the Eagles
and the Cowboys yesterday after a twenty one nothing lead
by the Eagles went away.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, I think the Eagles, you know, there's always drama
there and things going on, and offensively it's been much
more of a struggle and their run game is not
what it was. So they have the elite back and
that's not even enough for them. So, you know, can
they get it going? I don't think so. I don't
think that offensively they're going to become what they were.

(47:52):
Some of that's through some injuries on the offensive line.
I think defenses have done a better job of defending them,
and they just don't all seem like they're on the
same page between the quarterback, the coordinator, coach, receivers, all
of that. So still could be dangerous. You know. I
think they've obviously still able to win. Their defense is
very good, so I'm not counting them out at all,

(48:13):
But I think it's a harder road for them now
than it was last year.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
What do you think has happened to Saquon in his
numbers two thousand yards. Last year had a chance that
they would have played last games at the record, and
this year it's I mean half of them. It would
be lucky to get to half of that.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Well, there's some history for that. Usually when you have
a really huge year, it comes back quite a bit
the next year, so that that could be common. They
had a really long season. I think that their offensive line,
you know, has had some attrition. Now they're you know,
they're right tackle Lane Johnson's been in and out and injured,

(48:51):
so probably not as good. They've had a guard in
Landon Dickerson who's been banged up. You just sort of
forget that. This is their second year without Jason Kelcey,
who was a great player too, so some of those
things that maybe were super strengths for them in the
past may not be quite the same right now. I
think defenses are adjusting. We're seeing more sophisticated types of

(49:14):
zone coverages that have been a problem for Jalen Hurts anyway.
So I don't think Saquon has probably just completely fallen off.
That would be unusual, right, you know, in one year.
But maybe it's a combination of the attrition up front,
the you know, the miles from last year, and just
teams having a better handle on what they do.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I mentioned the other thing I mentioned to MJ that
I thought was really really interesting read number four in
the pick six. The Falcons have arguably committed organizational malpractice.
Are the Raiders next? We are talking about the Raiders,
but the Falcons, the Panics, the Cousins, the quarterback situation,
drafting these skill players like Bijeon, who's a great arguably

(49:55):
the best running back maybe in the NFL, right kind
of pits and guys like that. But what they've done
along the way, they haven't built the team in a
good sense. And here we are, the Atlanta Falcons are
are four and seven, but you know who's their quarterback?
Is it? I mean, what's going to happen with Penix
and all those things? And it's just a they're kind
of a dumpster fire as well.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
They are, yeah, they you know, they them drafting running
backs and tight ends in the first round and not
really having a quarterback, and then like you said, splintering
it with Cousins and Pennix, Penix with his injury history,
and by the way, then they traded their twenty twenty
six first round pick to the Rams just to move
up to get a defensive player who's fine but not
you know, winning games for them necessarily, and so next

(50:38):
year they could be giving a top ten pick to
the Rams that they could use for a building block
long term. So yes, I think that is a textbook
way not to do it. And the way the Raiders
are similar is that they've also taken you know, tight
end in Bowers who is good but still a tight end,
and a running back this past year in the top

(50:58):
five or six, and you know, they went after an
old quarterback and Gino Smith kind of like Kirk Cousins was.
And now they're probably gonna have a top ten pick.
Do they force a quarterback? Do they take their Michael
Penix this next year just because they need one right?
Or do they trade future picks because the urgency is
ramped up and Pete Carroll needs this or that. I
think that will be interesting to watch for them.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Do you believe the Chicago Bears? Do you believe in
the Bears?

Speaker 4 (51:24):
No, not as a team it's going to go deep
in the playoffs at all. But I do think that
they are. You know, they have sort of broken the
hecks of being a team that always sort of blows
the game. I think that's been something they've won a
bunch of those close games, and you can't tell me
it's just you know, natural regression and progression and back

(51:44):
and forth, because every game last year was sort of,
you know, a referendum on their inability to finish the games. Right.
They've lost on Hill Mary to Washington. They had a
lot of disasters. So I think this year they've been
better at that. I think the quarterback has been better,
with still some flaws and inconsistency, but I kind of

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I think that Ben Jonson's had a positive effect on them,
and I think that that's how you win some of
these games they never could win before. But I do
think that their defense is very turnover reliant that can
dry up against the better teams. They've played a bunch
of bad quarterbacks for the most part. And then Kayle
Williams still holds the ball a lot, which you know
he's done a better job and is produced off of that,

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but he still took a sack fumble for a touchdown
yesterday and still does hold it too long. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
One final one. This is called the shameless self promotion
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we've got the Monday Night Football game it's Carolina and
San Francisco. I mean San Fransco holding on the final
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on their heels. Kind of a massive game tonight and
from in terms of playoffs, somehow San Francisco is still around.

(52:51):
Quick thoughts from Mike on Mike Sando on this game tonight.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yeah, I think the forty nine ers definitely win the game.
I think they're better and so, you know, pretty remarkably
if they do. I think they're going to be eight
and four.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yes, they which is a.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Really good record. When you're playing hacker games without your
starting quarterback, you've got, you know, your best two best
players on defense, and Bosa and warrener out for the year.
That's going to catch up to him. It has. Their
defense hasn't been as good. You can't just patch it
the whole time. But I do I do like them
in this game. I think Carolina's uh not, just not
a very good team overall, even though they do have

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a decent record.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
God, and if they win that, I mean, look at Dallas.
How is Dallas gonna Dalla's going to make a push,
aren't they. Dallas is going to make a push.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, I thought that coming into the year.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
I thought that Dallas could now this before the Micah
Parsons trade. I know their defense would be so bad,
but I thought that. I actually kind of in the
back of my mind thought, Maddy, you refus may have
a better record with Dallas than the Bears have without
him this year. That's not going to happen because the
Bears have won. They're four No, I believe in games
has headed by three or fewer points. Yeah, so that's
probably not going to happen. But the Cowboys are five,

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five and one. You know what, though, They're going to
play Kansas City in Detroit the next two weeks. When
I saw them win the game, they go, they show
Jerry Jones in the box and he's celebrating like they
won the Super Bowl. Yeah that's Dallas. I mean, they're
they're up, they're high, they've got it all figured out.
And then they are losing by ten points to Arizona
like they did a couple of weeks too. They're losing
by three points to Carolina like they did a month ago. Yeah,

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you know, that's still who they are, so you know
they may get to they what do they got one.
I'm gonna look at do it right now too.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
They have six games left.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah, let's just say they win four of them, which
I'm not saying they will maybe three, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
They win. If they win four, their nine six and one,
that's on the cusp of playoffs.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Yeah, nine nine seven and one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think they could be. They could be eight eight and one.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
How about that. That would be awesome. That would be perfect.
By the way, that for folks who don't know, that's
the second game for Thursday for Thanksgiving is Chiefs and Cowboys.
That's juicy.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's juicy. All this stuff we just talked about, the
Chiefs trying to get to the back to the postseason,
the Cowboys trying to find that is a juicy. It's
almost like a college football playoff elimination game. That's almost
usc Organ in a sense, although Organ's safely in. But like,
that's that's kind of it. That's a juicy, juicy g
I like that.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
That's a fun game.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, plan your dinner around that. You don't need to
worry about the last game. It's Bengals Ravens, so you
can help him I'm saying juicy, juicy. It's juicy, all right,
Mike Sando. I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. We'll
talk to you next week. Appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving you
and your family. By the way, uh thanks. That is
Mike Sando joining us on the that's for if you

(55:35):
haven't looked at it. Packers Lions is the first game.
That's the ninth phenomenon. Actually, guy, you know what that's
a ten o'clock game. Yeah, I forget about that. For
some reason, they started that nine thirty ten o'clock. See.
Can you know if you have to watch a little
Macy's or something like that parade, you can do that.
Packers Lions at ten and then Chiefs and Cowboys at
one thirty. That is. Yeah. My mother in law is like, oh,

(55:57):
I'm gonna do dinner. It's to dinner too. No, no, no,
I don't given I I don't either, buddy, I don't eat.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
It is because so you can take a nap in between.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
It's not dinner. No, it's not Dinner's then you go
back for a seconds. Yeah no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
I grew up around a lot of the times.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, or.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
The timing of the games is different, a three hour different.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Well that's the difference, yeah, because this would be one
o'clock Packers, Lions for thirty Chiefs and cowboys back east.
Maybe you take your pick, and then the late games
at eight thirty whatever. I'm just telling like, I'm just
saying this for anybody that might be in the the
Furness family world of what we're doing on Thursday. Hello sisters,
my no, they're not involved. The're they're doing their own

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different deal. I'm just telling you right now. I tell
you right now that the young the younger Furness boy,
and the older Furness boy, we ain't gonna be there.
Tell about four thirty, all right, that's what you know?

Speaker 6 (56:57):
What you said dinner and there you go. You put
your stamp on it.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I'm speaking it in speaking in a new existence. And
again I think there should be a lot out there.
You cannot have Thanksgiving, wait for it, dinner before four
four thirty. I mean like even then, that's that's early.
Even then, that's like an early bird specialist. Listen, I'm
sixty I'm not sixty five. I'm not going to Denny's
with the early bird special all right, I like that.

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Keith, I'm not gonna read this on the air, but
I think I'm gonna do. No, no, not the one
you're thinking. I see your first one. I'm gonna I
gotta I'll talk to Jess numb break. I'm gonna have
a plan. Oh boy, no, it's a guest wise this week.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
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Speaker 1 (58:20):
I do. Okay, let's see what else we got. Do
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KGr family. That's from our buddy Keith Miller.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I like that one. He ate four this past draft.
I was disappointed. I counted though.

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Rob ver Berien's checking in. We don't have Fantasy football
with funds this week because we're off on Thursday and Friday.
But Rob says, for once, I didn't play against one
of these clowns who keeps scoring Rob for Burien, I
would have bet a zillion dollars that Rob win against
Gibbs this week, who had like eighty points from a
running black. But he didn't apparently, so he's all happy
he's on eighty right now.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
Oh gosh, oh, I want to hear happy Rob.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Though it makes me very uncomfortable. I'll be honest with you,
it makes me down a little cold. Get I'm going
to get back to this whole dinner time thing tomorrow.
I'm gonna we got great. I'm going to get back
to that tomorrow. We make a poll, Yeah, maybe we'll
do that.

Speaker 8 (59:18):
I'm telling you, what's that There are some crazy people
on this text line.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
So I'm not gonna read all of your stuff because
I don't like writing that stuff.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
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Speaker 1 (59:31):
I'll actually do it on my tech, on my Twitter.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
It's just gonna do it. I'm so glad you're going to.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I'm gonna do it. Yes, I'm gonna do it again.
It goes against everything I stand for. I love it.
Something on the tweets or x is I'm going to
do it. I'll put it out there, we'll talk about
the options and the break. The three of us put
it up there, and you guys vote. We'll tackle this
tomorrow on the show, and then I'll take it back
to my mother in law and say, see, I told

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Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
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Otherwise I would have because I do believe Oregon's gonna

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Dave Satymorwor is here with us?

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
Yes yes, yes, yes yes yes yes yes. Good effort
by you guys against the dukes on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
Not bad, not bad I'm gonna bet the house on
you guys this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
You said that like the last four weeks. That's not true.
What's the spreading that one?

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
Oh, I've said I'm betting the house on this game
against Oregon State or the every other game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
No, you said it on every other game.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
No, No, I haven't touched Wazoo since the Virginal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Okay, okay, here we go. So it's what's the line? Okay,
what would make you comfortable? Give me a number that
would make you comfortable to bet the house given five
and a half, four and a half, six and a half,
maybe minus thirteen and a half. Okay, you may not
at the house. Maybe I'll just bet the garage. This
is what I was like, Is he gonna say fourteen?

Speaker 9 (01:08:30):
Because I think backyard, this is what happens when your
sons of bitches kicked the game in Corvalis. Everyone thinks
you're gonna murder them in the game and pullman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
So now I don't know if we're capable of murdering anybody,
not with that offense and that offensive line, but the
defense should be better playing there.

Speaker 9 (01:08:47):
I'm surprised a little bit by that line. I'm also surprised.
Done by the bit by the Husky line on Saturday.
It's only six and a half right now. I thought
that line would be maybe a little bit bigger way
by the Way eight or the nines or Oregon six
and a half, fact four nine four five one of that.
I saw that. Well, you know what I do. It's
the emotional hatch. I just said that, play the Ducks,

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play the coups, and if they end up covering, great.
If they don't, then you know, I'm walking away with
a win in my back pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
What's your what's your level of stress for this game?
Not much? Not much? No, no, not much, really not much.

Speaker 9 (01:09:19):
I mean if we had beaten Wisconsin, it'd be a
lot bigger if Washington had a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Because it would be a shot to the playoff.

Speaker 9 (01:09:25):
Yeah, and they were playing for that because like think
about where they would be, right they would have been.
They were twenty third, twenty fourth in the CFP the
week before the Wisconsin game. So they keep winning, which
they've done perdue U see all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Way week, you're eight and three right now, you would
have been nine.

Speaker 9 (01:09:42):
They would have been nine and two, and they might
be in the top fifteen or so. In the country
right now outside shot you begin the college football playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Michigan's was fifteenth last week at nine and two, so
you'd probably be right around sixteen seventeen, right right around.
But a win over a team that's Donember five, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
No, I'm saying they'd be nine and two going into
the game.

Speaker 9 (01:10:04):
I'm saying beat sixteenth or seventeen right because right now,
because Michigan's not into you would be ready. They beat Oregon,
they might jump the Wolverines even though they beat the Wolverines,
because you know, who does Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Play this weekend? Some team, some little team. I thinking
they had Michigan State for some reason. That's dumb. They
got Ohio State. So yeah, so know they would not
jump Michigan. Is your guy Tosh Lapois going to be
distracted this week getting the Cal job to some points?
I hope, so I can tell you about distracted coaches.

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
Is he going to stake money into a coffee can
like he did it you Doe on recruiting day? If
he takes the job down there at Cal?

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
What's who's uh is it? Ron Rivera is the director
of Football Ops or whatever it is or intro athletics director.
I'm sure he's okay with that. He's the football ops. Yeah,
I'm sure he's okay with that. Right, if you want
to win, you want to compete in those conferences, that's
what you do, right, Just don't know what's illegal. Was
it a coffee cup? Or coffee? Was a coffee cup?

Speaker 9 (01:10:53):
And it was in the cafeteria, and like the coaches offices, Hey,
let me show you the coaches offices. And then like
the kids like walking towards the maker and all of
a sudden toss just like I'm sorry, it's a falling. Oh,
look at that, there's a mug with thousands of dollars
of cash in Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Did Tosh have the boat too? Was Tosh? They got
the boat? Rick at a boat? I know? No't didn't
Tosh have a boat? I'm sure he took guys out
on as well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
He did.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
There was a lot of shenanigans going on back then.
You know what, Really they were pioneers, they were ahead
of their time. They were all this stuff. Now was
looked at his cutting edge stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Same as SMU was back in the day with Craig
James in the US, Eric Dickerson Carols.

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
Carol's giving away free dryers and washers condos in LA.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
What's the big deal? A big deal?

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
I remember my first NCAA violation I ever committed. Do
you guys remember committing a violation?

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
No? You did? Didn't you? Oh? Plenty? What you do?
Are you kidding me? What you There's a couple times
where I think we've heard your name mentioned.

Speaker 9 (01:11:49):
I gave Dane Looker an m xp x CD from
the old Price closet. There was one more recent thing
that kJ R. I found out he was a big fan.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
I don't think you should be saying this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Why it was twenty five years ago. Big statue?

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
Was there a statue of limit es?

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Well plus plus? Now?

Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
Yeah, it's illegal. I gave Keith Price five hundred dollars
in cash after a football game when he won.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
No, he's joking, honey, What is it so?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Keith Price has been gone for ten years? I think
you're okay.

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
That was so funny.

Speaker 9 (01:12:20):
I gave Keith five hundred bucks and then I took
it back when they blew that twenty eight ten league
in the Apple cop.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
What money back? Through the interception of my money? Interception
of poll he said, I want my money back. Oh yeah,
that was Mike LEAs one win against you dub right
in that game. Yeah, Craig, Craig buller Jack on the call.

Speaker 9 (01:12:40):
We blew a twenty eight to ten lead, missed a
chip shot field goal at end the game, and regulation
you guys won an overtime. And then Austin Seferian Jenkins
got sucker punched by a fan.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
Yeah that sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
That sucked. That was that did that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
It was actually someone wearing you dubbed gear who punched him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
That's not true.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
No, if you've watched the video, yep, Cougar fan Posy
definitely in for Oh okay, I got it. Definitely in purple.

Speaker 9 (01:13:06):
Oregon fans, Washington fans, Cougar fans go on social media
impersonating the other fan base and Africa jerk on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Well, just so people will think the fan basis. You're
just you're the one that can answer that, because it's
Oregon Duck week and you're the guy, and everyone is
a lot like I like watching your next account on
this week because it's highly entertained.

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
Well, I might just back off this week. Who knows,
Maybe I'll surprise you. Maybe I'll take the high.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Road a Anderson, Oh, do me a favorite, make a
burner account for ducks of me, No for the ducks
that I can never do that, troll him and then
see if you can actually it isn't.

Speaker 9 (01:13:44):
It's not that easy. It used to be that easy.
With is I'm fifty two years old and not twenty
eight anymore. I don't give a damn anymore. All right,
clip that, let's clip that. Let's see o the week.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I don't give a damn show this week.

Speaker 9 (01:13:58):
I did him and Wilner yesterday, and we recorded something
for his radio show last night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
So I have no idea when he's gonna run it. Well,
once that runs, I'll keep an eye on what it
happens online. All right, we got today, we got What's Today? Monday?

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Monday A little fun with audio three forty five responded
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Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
He is not doing the game tonight. What what.

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
He's spending the week with his family. It's Thanksgiving week
and he wants some time off. He works his ass off.
You know that By the way NBA, NFL TV radios,
just give up the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
He's got the night off tonight, all right, who's doing
the game? I have no idea. Kevin and Kougler don't know.
Kevin Kougler don't know. All right. For the mild mannered
and marginally objectionably in forness this paddle day, saying so
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