Furness Show 12-10: Stewart Mandel, Luke Falk and Mike Holmgren

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Speaker 2 (01:53):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Let's get things started right away with Stuart Mandel from
The Athletic All Things College Football the Audible podcast as well,
and Stu has the dust settled yet on what all
happened on Sunday with the revealing of the college football
playoff bracket and the twelve teams in there as your
life settled down yet.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
I think a little bit finally today. But you know,
this has been a bit of an extended cycle because
we moved from the everybody's angry, which happens every year,
you know, is to now the Notre Dame ad going
score shirt on the ACC big soft mission of Greg
Yormark going in on him like it's just taken on

(02:34):
new legs.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Would in Stuart Mandel's opinion, did they get the right
twelve teams in?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I think that that it's a perfectly defensible position that
they ended up at. The problem was the process that
got there. You know, I've been saying for quite some
time those weekly ranking shows are very counterproductive, and I
thought they were particularly misleading this year. You know, the
idea that Alabama got killed in the SEC title game

(03:04):
the way they did and didn't drop is really infuriating.
But if you didn't have that show, you wouldn't know
that they hadn't dropped, right Miami, Notre Dame. I think
by the end that was the only the only correct
thing to do. They were just too similar to similar resumes.
They were right next to each other. You've got to

(03:26):
honor the head to head. But because it took them
all the way until the end to acknowledge something that
had been the case all along, obviously Notre Dame fans
are beside themselves.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, I think the thing that that's hard for me
is there there's a little bit of an inconsistency in
the following, Like there's part of me, and this is
just me speaking out loud, but there's part of me
that thinks, Wow, you really should not be penalized for
playing that additional game, that thirteenth game in the conference
championship game, i e. Alabama. Yet at the same time,

(03:59):
by playing in that thirteenth game, you can earn your
way into the tournament as well, you know, like you're
better off being Ole miss or Texas A and M
and not playing in that in that thing or Oregon right,
same thing, Like you're better off just not playing in
it and keeping your spot. In a sense, Alabama hurt

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itself in sense, at least in the eyes of some
didn't hurt themselves in the terms of getting knocked out,
yet at the same time JMU and Tulane earned their
way in into that tournament as well. So I don't
know what the answer is. Do we think at all
that there's ever a chance we get rid of conference
championship games?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Not?

Speaker 4 (04:38):
After the new re press releases came out that eighteen
million people watched the Big Ten title game and sixteen
points something watched the SEC championship game, Like there's just
too much interest and too much money for them to
go away.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
Also, conferences aren't doing a particularly good job of determining
who should be in the.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Conference championship games right now, right So I don't know
how we would, you know, stop it one short. My
thing with the with the penalizing the teams, do it,
don't do it, I don't care, frankly, but be consistent
about it. And so it just looks so yuh inconsistent,
like I you know, look, everybody thinks Alabama gets special treatment.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
I don't know that you could argue anything.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Otherwise this time. And so if you say we're not
gonna punish Alabama for losing then SEC title game, we
are going to drop all the other teams that lost
in the conference title games at least one spot give
it the appearance that Greg Saank you put in the
call and you're not gonna you're not gonna do this, right.
But but in terms of even if you're somebody who

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thinks that, I think it's a reasonable position to say
why why, Like like why did Notre Dame and Miami
move when they didn't play a game but some of
these other teams did. We just can't unsee it.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Committee watched that game.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
I saw them lose by three touchdowns to Georgia, and
it didn't happen in a vacuum. I think the thing
that bothers me about Alabama being in the playoff is
they just haven't been a very good team for about
a month. This didn't come out of nowhere. Their offense
has been in decline since probably the South Carolina game
in late October.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
So if we're trying to put.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
The ten best teams or twelve best, but you know,
ten best largest, you can't convince me.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
They're one of them.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
And so to just ignore that result means you're also
ignoring the larger trend to play with them.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, I agree, Stuart Madiel joining us, Yeah, I agree,
there's no perfect system. But yeah, the bias towards Alabama
seems to be real. And then now we've got Notre
Dame picking up their ball and going home deciding not
to play. Everyone has an opinion on this. I think
you've been really outspoken, and not just outspoken, but also

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I've done a good job of articulating the fact that,
you know, Bowl games still make money, like they or
at least they still have viewership, right, they still have
people watching them. They still have you know, at least
a million people. It feels like, I don't know if
I think the average last year, right Stewart was for
non college football playoff full games was over a million people,
and like those things are still going to exist.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
So in a sense, is.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
The Notre Dame is basically opting out of the top
parts Bowl Almost seven million people watched it last year.
So well, you can say it's meaningless in an exhibition game,
blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
People really like watching them. Yeah, to be clear, I don't.
I don't.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I'm not one of the people who's saying Notre Dames players,
you know, did something wrong or they quit and they
took them by any of that. I do agree, it's
a it's a.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
I sympathized with.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
The position they were in because, like like I said earlier,
they were led to be leave for five weeks, they
were in the playoffs, and to have that pull it
out from under you at the last second, and then
because of the timeline, and I think pipa backwether Ad
explained this, like, while you're still in those very early
moments of dealing with that pain, the you know, the
the bole folks are calling you saying, Okay, we're ready

(08:03):
to invite you to the pop starts ball are you in?
So I'm sympathetic, but I think I think I may
cut you off. But I think what you're getting at
is what I wrote about, was like this could be
a really troubling precedent for the ball system, like somebody
that always has to be the first And if this
is what you know, this is now an option for

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snub teams or teams that are going to have a
lot of opt out that could end up having a
pretty devastating effect.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, no, I exactly, That's exactly where I was going.
You know, Christian McCaffrey opting out the first got the
first player to do so. Now we see other players
opting out and things like that. You know, I mean,
it's it's interesting because I try and maybe I do
it too often, try try to draw a parallel between
college basketball and college football. But you know, the bowl
system has kind of, you know, morphed into more of

(08:50):
the n I T in a sense. The difference is
people don't watch the n I T and wait for it, Stewart,
people don't wager.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
That much on the n I T.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
H I think I've got I have no word of
a lie. I have four different emails sent to me
from various people like friends and so coworkers and others
with bull pools, right like, just like, hey, get in
our bullpool. Our show was sponsored by Snowcalmi Casino. Guess
what they're going to be taking a lot of juice
on the Pop Tarts Bowl, the Alamo Bowl, the Holiday Ball, etc.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Etc.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Can't do the Potato Bowl, can't do the La Bowl
because we can't bet on our own teams in our
state at the casinos. But every other bowl will be
bat on a wagered on which you don't have in
the NIIT. The other thing that jumped out of me
with the bullstew just is this talking to ex players?
You know, We've talked to a few ex college players
and so forth, and most of them say the same thing.
It's like, Man, I can't even fathom bowing out of

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a bowl game, you know. And I know it was
a quote player vote. I just wonder how much it
was a leadership council vote. Guys that are going to
go to the NFL and opt out anyway, and there's
a bunch of young guys going. If I'm the third
or four string running back at Notre Dame where they've
had the two headed monster all year, I think I
kind of want to play in this game. But that's
that's where we are right now.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, I wonder, you know, I said to our Note
Dame writer Pete Sampson, we had him on the podcast
the other day, do you think if they'd gotten like
twenty four hours to cool off, do.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
They make things? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
But what it was explained, he explained it well, is
whether they played in the game or not, they were
going to have a ton of opt outs. You know,
there's a lot of NFL guys on that team, you know,
Jeremiah Love and a whole bunch of others. And you know,
nobody has come out and said this, but what happened
to Flora State a couple of years ago where they
had the devastating snug and they basically had to put

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out like their B team in the bowl game against
Georgia who had everybody playing, and it was sixty three
at three. You know, sometimes if there's that many opt outs,
it's not going to be a very pleasant experience. But
you know, the former players who talked to I assume
we're from a previous generation, pre twelveeen CFP and where
it was still considered an honor. And look, most people

(10:57):
you talk to, they have a blast of these Bowl games.
Most of them do a really good job of activities.
The other thing, how is I saw Sam Schwartztein, he's
the former Stanford player who is now involved in the
Thursday night Amazon games on the NFL. He's like, man,
when we used to break down practice like one, two,
three Bowl games, I'm.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Sorry, Bulgus.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
The good guys really wanted that Xbox or whatever they're
going to get. Yeah, and now these guys are making
so much money, what do they care?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Exactly?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
The dynamics have.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Really changed real quick.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Before I let you go. I want to touch in
on this. Twelve teams? Is this the impetus for sixteen?
I saw I think it was Sankee today said something
along the lines of, you know, do we need more
are all the best teams in? Do we need to
get more team just I'm paraphrasing, but is the is
this the push this year to get to sixteen or
do you think we're still going to be at twelve
for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
They all want to go to sixteen, but they can't
agree on how to do it, you know, and so
they pushed back that deadline a couple of times. Now
I think now it's like January twenty third. But the
end of the day, if the TV has been twenty
t the Big ten commissioner has been completely dug in
on automatic birth, you know, reduce certain conference is getting

(12:11):
more than others, thanky and frankly, all the other conferences
want as few aqs as possible. And so if that
stalemate just continues, then we just keep going with twelve
for a while.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Plus she's already on to twenty four.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
He's sortady trying to convince them to do twenty four.
So I I assume we'll still be at twelve next year,
and this whole thing will continue for another year in
less the way this year broke causes some minds to change.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Stuart.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Next week we'll talk and we'll be on the eve
or a couple of days away from the first college
football playoff games. We'll actually talk about, wait for it,
the games next death Thursday, and that'll be fun to
do as well. In the meantime, tell people about the Audible.
And everybody can read Stewart the Athletic the Athletic dot com.
But if they haven't checked out the great podcast that

(12:58):
you and Ralph and Bruce do, tell them about it if.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
You want to get a little kick out of it.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
The Audible is three days a week.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
It's on You can catch every episode on YouTube at
Audible Show. We actually all three got together in La
on Sunday and we're live on the air when you
know when the bracket got unveiled. So if you want
to hear are in the moment reaction to seeing Alabama
pop up at nine and Miami pop up at ten,
go check that one out.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Great stuff. Stuart will talk to you next week. Thank you,
my friend.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
All right, Thanks, That is Stuart.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Mandel from The Athletic the Audible podcast as well.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
We'll take a break. Coming up next.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Luke Falk is the all time leading pastor in the
Pac twelve probably will never have that broke, that record broken,
but he'll join us coming up next. He wants the
job at Washington State University, the head coaching job. That's
what he wants. He's never been a coach, but he
wants a job. He'll tell you why, coming up next.

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All right, Welcome back in sports Rady ninety three point
three k DRAFM me infnests with you.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Hey, join right now on the Beacon Plumbing hot Line.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Bye a jentlem. We haven't talked to you for a while.
The text and we talk. We haven't him on the
air for a little while. And there's a lot to
get to, including a coaching search of which he UH
is a part of at least in terms of UH
hoping to maybe get an opportunity at the job. Also,
he's a published author now since the last time we
talked on the air. Luke Falk joins this former Washington
State quarterback, all time leading passer in the PAC twelve

(14:33):
conference joins us on the Beacon Plumbing hot Line, the
author of the Mind Strength Playbook, and perhaps a future
coach as well.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Hi, Luke, how are you.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
I'm doing great? Thanks for having me on and go koobs.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Go cooogs.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let me get to before we get to the coaching
search in the state of college football. It is the
holiday season and uh no better time to maybe, uh
look for a great gift for somebody. Tell us about
the Mind Strength Playbook.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
The book, Yeah, I appreciate you talking about that. It's
on Amazon and Barnes and Noble for twenty two ninety nine. Unfortunately,
I try to get to nineteen ninety nine, but Amazon
let me know that I'd be a net negative on
the book and that we had to put it at
that price, so you know, I make a total three
bucks on it. So anyways, but I think it's a

(15:20):
great read for anybody that's putting to really maximize, you know,
really maximize their life in any field that they're at. Right,
I say, master your mind, elevate your game. That could
be the game of sports, the game of business, the
game of life if you think about it. From athletes' perspective,
so much of what they train, where as as coaches
train them on is the physical side, Hey, can you

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get the skills to be able to get on the
field right, But what keeps them on the field? Does
you have the ability to put it all together? What
it counts? Have you have the mind strength to be
able to piece it together. I do it like having
a key to the chest of everything that you work
so hard for. And so many people, so many athletes
don't train it because they don't know how to. And
I was fortunate enough to have psychologists when I was

(16:04):
in high school. I was a kid that lacked a
lot of confidence. I was a kid that really worked hard,
but that really didn't see any traction for me on
the field. And then I started working with sports psychologists
and he showed me, hey, if you train your mind
like you train your body, eventually you're going to develop strength.
You'll have mind strength. And that's exactly what happened, and
you know, them started experiencing breakthrough after breakthrough, had a

(16:26):
pretty decent career, and then I quit working on these
things when I got to the top, and then you know,
we saw how quick lights all off. So it's a
fun unique perspective being from somebody who really struggled mentally,
really struggled with performance anxiety and self doubt all that
stuff to them being able to get to a place
where I felt very self secure or felt very confident

(16:46):
that you know, very adequate in my job and who
I was as an individual, and then quit working on
those things when you get to that and then get
humbled very quickly. And I think people really enjoy it.
You know, people remember me kind of is more of
a stoic, robotic type guy and a player. All this
looks anything about that. I mean, it's that it goes deep.

(17:08):
People will get to know a whole lot more about me,
and I think they're going to find themselves in the
stories and uh and then really be able to get
the applicability of it, because you know, I laugh when
people say, hey, knowledge is power, Yes, the application knowledge
is power. If I know the answer cee ye, I
put the NFS. That does mean no good. So I
really strive in the book. Hey, this is the black

(17:29):
and white way to implement what I'm talking about. So yeah,
I think people enjoy it, and I know Kook fans
certainly will. They'll kind of get blasts from the past
with some of the things I'm talking about and.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Again it's for for everyone. Doesn't meant if you're an
athlete or a coach, or just a businessman or just
someone in trying to navigate your way through life. Is
that it kind of is a certain you.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
Know, you'll exactly the primary audience is for an athlete,
coach and parent of an athlete, but anybody reading it
is going to be able to take the mess into
whatever arena of life that they're in. I mean, the
nice part is is most people in the business world
are most people interact with sports, they play at sports.
They're going to be able to get the messaging and

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then oh, you know what, this can really help me
with the leadership stuff with my team, my sales team.
I've gotten reached out to by a handful of company,
Hey can you come stick to our selves team because
they see the messaging on LinkedIn, Twitter and those. It's
been fun for me because you know, I'll write those
deals and those are in the book, and then I'm seeing,
you know, the tremendous feedback front that of you know,

(18:33):
getting one point three million views on Twitter on one
of them, or getting five hundred thousand views and not
that that's everything. But to me, what that tells me
is this is needed. You know, people desperately need mind strength.
We've got more chaos going on in the world than ever.
What are we doing that master our inner world so
we can handle it all? And you could even say
the same thing in college athletics, there's so much going on,

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or we're going to focus on all the things that
we can't control, We're going to put ourselves into vig
the minded box. Or are we going to look at
it and go, hey, how can we adapt? How can
we get ahead of the curb, How can we use
this as our advantage and really be able to carve
our own spot in what's going on here? So to me,
it's all about mind strength, having the right mentality in
every situation. You really set yourself up for success rather than,

(19:18):
you know, being a victim to the circumstances.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Luke Falk joining US former Washington State quarterback from our
NFL quarterback and of course all time leaning passer in
the National Football League. You know, Luke, I think one
of the things that that you know, I love it
because I think, you know, we've begun so much more
akin and in tune with the mental health world that.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
We live in.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I mean, you know, as you know, I do the
we do the golf from every year to help support
Lensky's hope. And and you know that's I know, something
near and dear to your heart.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Uh. And so I love the premise of the book.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I love the fact that we're getting to the point
now in the world where we can talk more about
those types of things, which is which is fantastic. Let
me get to the other thing at hand. Washington State's
looking for a new football coach. You penned a long
letter and advocating for yourself for the job. Tell Washington
State fans why Luke Falk, who hasn't been a head coach,
even at the at the high school level, hasn't been

(20:09):
a head coach, Why you're the right guy to be
the head coach at Washington State.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
I appreciate it well, first and foremost, you know, with
the letter, I mean talk about support, I felt so
supported in love by all the koops out there. So
I just want to thank everybody for voicing their opinion
and their support. I mean, it really meant a lot
to me. The second deal is it's not the athletics
landscape that I grew up in and that everybody knows.
And if we keep hiring for that old way and

(20:35):
that old model, we'll keep getting the same results that
we're getting right now. And so my view is, hey,
everybody lacks experience. It's an ever changing world that might
be totally different a year from today, you know, for
more right right now. And the people who have been
in the college athletic landscape the longest are probably the
most resistant to change. So why don't you get somebody

(20:57):
in who's going to look at things like, hey, the
oaquinn A's what do we need to do to moneyball
this thing? What do we need to do to be
able to iterate and see what's working and not just
going hey, well this is the way we've always done it.
And then from my perspective is, you know, if you
go and get a guy who's a vanilla hire and
they have success or whatever, well the first opportunity is
can be gone or you know when you do get

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that higher, well, is he really going to be able
to spark WSU to be able to give him the
support that he needs. I don't think so, because I
think people will be skeptical of his intentions, how much
he cares about Wshoe. There's nobody in the running right
now that cares about Wshoe more than me. I mean,
my legacy's on the line there. So hey, take less

(21:40):
from the salary standpoint, go pour it into a great
coaching staff. I've put together a great staff right now.
I've talked to him about ninety percent are in on it,
and they'd be splash hires. It's not like I'm hiring
my buddies here. I'd be a great staff. And then hey,
also too, what can we do to be able to
pour him the players, because in this day and age
of college football, if you don't have have excitement from

(22:00):
the fan base, if you don't have money pooring in,
you're not going to have a program very long. And
we need to set ourselves up in a position for
when the next realignment happening. That we're in a prime
position because we're winning ball games. We've got we've got
great football teams, and we've got a lot of support,
we've got a lot of money coming in. And I
just think that you need somebody who cares about the place,
who it's not just another job for him, It's not

(22:23):
something they look at to get to the next spot.
This is the job, you know, for Jimmy. I can't
fault Jimmy what he did because that was his dream job. Well,
this is my dream job. You know. It's the only
spot that my wife and I would ever get back
into it. You know, we got into it. And also
I want to create a paradigm shift when it comes
to college athletics and coaching. It is such a hard

(22:43):
world on parent or on families. You know, you just
don't see your kids, don't see your wife. It's miserable.
I think there's a better way to do it. I
think you can work efficiently. I think you can make
it family oriented. And I think that we'll build a
staff that wants to be there, that would have a
hard time saying, hey, yes to another job because of
how great the polus is, because of how great the

(23:03):
fan bases, because of their ties to Washington State. And
then also, hey, the quality of life is so much better.
So I just I view it as we need a
paradigm shift. We need to go outside the box. If
we keep doing what everybody else is doing and keep
being corporate, then you know we're going to keep getting
the same results. But if we want to make a splash,
we need to view ourselves like, hey, startup, mentality, adapt, adapt, adapt,

(23:25):
be the first one to iterate, be the first one
to you know, easy easy. I write about that in
my book You know Coach Leitch, I think one of
the greatest things that he did is the lowest quarterbacks
to make audibles. Hey, we get out there, the defense
isn't giving us what we thought they were. And the
same thing happened at the University of Utah. We get
down as a third down, I believe. And I had

(23:48):
a certain play called and checked, a play called six seventeen, said, hey, easy, easy,
six seventeen. It ended up being the Pac twelve touchdown
passing record break through right there. And that doesn't happen
if you don't have the ability to audible. We need
to audible right now. We need to do things differently.
By hey, iron, somebody who's outside the box and cares
about w SHU and and isn't afraid to play with

(24:11):
some house money and do things different to get the
kog's back on the on the national map.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Luke Falk joining us. The way you describe the job,
it's interesting you use the term there that. We talked
to doctor Elizabeth Cantwell, our new presidents of yesterday, and
she talked she used the term start up a number
of times, uh, in terms of startup for the for
the for the New PAC twelve conference, you use the
same thing as a startup company. I thought the term.

(24:37):
The term caught my attention. As you describe it, you
as a head coach would be more of a CEO
in in some ways, right? Is that kind of how
you you would envision this idea thinking outside the box.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
One hundred percent. I think that's what you have to do, uh,
in today's If you're running the the CEO of Cougar football,
That's that's how I view it. And I think that
you hire people who are great at what they do,
so they could be experts, net fills. And my job
is a great culture, to great vision, to create buying
from the players and also to do the same thing
with the fan base the university. And yeah, you're the CEO.

(25:14):
You're the figurehead of Washington State football. And if you
go to the corporate route, I'm just telling you you'll
move slow, things won't happen. But if you're lean and mean,
and you make the most out of your resources and
you air rate it to a certain degree, right, they
air rate you do more with less, then I think
you're going to end up in a great spot where
you look back and you go, wow, we really changed,

(25:35):
and we really got ahead of what was going on here,
and we really have the stones to be able to
make the decision to do something different and put ourselves
on the map and give ourselves a chance, because I
think we do have a sleeping giant. We have a
fan base that is yearning for leadership, that is yearning
for somebody who gives a crap and gives it about
Washington State football and who wants to see you suc

(25:56):
see that guy's mean. That staff is my staff and
the people that I'll bring on. That's the number one
called it. Hey, develop young men. We're not going to
just do what these other programs do. Of how much
juice can we squeeze out of this kid here and
maximize him so we can win football games. No, no, we
want to win a lot of football games, but golly,
we want to develop great young men because I think

(26:16):
that is a huge responsibility of a coach and the
institution and college athletics as a whole, and it's something
that totally gets overlooked, and it won't be along with
winning football games, which is highly important. That's what keeps
people engaged. But it's not just going to be a
transactional relationship. I hate that crap, and I think it's

(26:36):
time to rather than bitch and my want to complain
about it, let's do something about it. And I want
to do something about it. I believe I'm the right
guy for it.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Lukewalk joining us. Luke, how important is it to have
Washington State alums on that staff?

Speaker 6 (26:50):
I think very important. I think guys that care about
Washington State, who have bord blood, sweat and tears into
the program where it's not just a job, it's something
they would they wake up and they have a passion
about seeing the place go on the right direction. So
I think very important. And I also think you need.
You can't just hire, you know, like I said, friends

(27:12):
or buddies or people who are wsue, people who might
not be qualified.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
You need.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
You need a great staff around you. And I've certainly
built that. And I think if people see if I
get the opportunity, they're gonna be like Wow, these are
These are some splash hires. These are great football coaches
with great character, who care about developing young men and
who care about Washington State athletics.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Luke fault joining us, Luke, if they came to you,
and you know, first of all, have you talked to
President Cantwell or or John Harlowe, the intermedet Have you
heard back from them? I know that you know your
public push for the job has gone viral.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
In some ways. Have you heard from anybody on campus.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
I've been fortunate in us to talk to a lot
of people in the building. The only person I haven't
directly talked to is President can't Well. I'll talk to,
you know, people around her in that regard. And I'm
just hoping for an oppportunity to interview, because if I
get an opportunity to interview, then I think that they're
going to see my passion, They're going to see my vision,
They're going to see that, Hey, this isn't just something
I pulled out of the hat. This is something that

(28:09):
when I got into college coaching. You know, however, many
a couple of years ago, a few years ago, the
number one job I had in mind that my end
game was is I'm going to be Washington States had
football coach. I've got a vision board of it. I've
got pictures of me, you know, with the Wsue, Crimson
and Gray on and so it's been in the works
for me for a long time. And you know, just

(28:32):
I think that lightning has struck and I think the
time is right now. And so I love the opportunity
to be able to show them, Hey, this isn't just
something I put together. This is this is It's been
well thought at there. There's a great staff around me.
We're going to have great wisdom to be able to
help provide some guidance and anyways, I just think it'll

(28:53):
be It'll be a great deal. And I lied. I
don't just want the interview, I want the job. So
that would be a lie.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, I mean I love that. I mean, I know
there's guys out there.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Would be nice to get guys like Parker Henry and
others on the staff that are out there working as
assistants in the game. If they came to you and said, hey, Looke,
we love the passion, we love everything you're saying, we
love all these things. We need to go with someone
with experience as a head coach, but we'd like to
as a GM or, you know, because that's a job
now in college football.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
There's I mean, you dealt with gms in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Apparently that's now a job in college sports, college athletics,
especially college football, a GM or on the staff or
part of the program.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Would you be open to that?

Speaker 6 (29:32):
My answer would be no, that's not my zone of genius.
My zone and genius would be the man in charge.
And part of why I want to go be the
head coach is I think that I can do it differently.
I want to be able to involve a great family
life that's totally been involved with what we're doing there.
And I've got a great business, I've got a great
coaching practice. And to me, the only job that I

(29:54):
have on my mind is the Washington States head of
football coach because I wholeheartedly believe that in today's right now,
at this time, at this place, that I am the
right guy for the job. So you know, I want
to burn the boats and that's what I'm going for.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I love the passion.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you said you have a staff, You've already talked
to guys, you already have a group put together.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
I certainly have. I certainly have. And I had one
guy who you know is big name, he's won a
national championship. I sent it over to you know, the
people at Washington State, and his text to me was,
I've sold all teams that I'm not going to take
any more calls until i hear what happens at Washington State.
And he would be a huge splash. So I'm just

(30:34):
we're waiting to be able to see. These guys are
in a holding pattern, but I think if we get
some traction, people are going to flock. I've had a
number of people reach out to me when when I
made that post, and they don't reach out if they
don't think that there's a shot. They don't reach out
if they don't think that there's a legitimate chance that's
going to happen. And I know it's a dark horse,
I know it's coming out of left field, but it's

(30:55):
the right decision in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Right now, Well, listen to me, there's a place that
would be out of the box and do things that
would be there. No one thought Mike Leach should get
a job coaching football again, and lo and behold, that
happened with the hiring Mike Leach at Washington State University,
and obviously the rest is history with what he accomplished
there with guys like you and others along the way.

(31:18):
Before I let you go one more time, it's the
holiday season. Tell people about the book if they want
to get a great little gift for Christmas. For folks,
whether it be their student athlete, whether they're a coach,
parent of an athlete, or maybe someone in the business communities.
You mentioned you're talking to sales staffs as well, tell
us about the Mind Strength Playbook and where people can
get it.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Yeah, the Mind Strength Playbook is an opportunity to be
able to really work on your mind like you work
on your body. I think it's especially needed now. I
think you get great mind strengths, you can handle anything
that the extra world throws that you great for teams
that coaches reach out and say, Hey, this is going
to be our off season learning or off season book.
What I'm trying to push right now at the universities,

(31:57):
you know, they're investing so much into mental health, and
they hire these great people on staff with these big salaries,
but there's only three of them, and how many student
athletes do you have. How about a book for you know,
I think there's bolt pricing. How about a book for
seventeen dollars And here in a couple of weeks, I'm
going to do an audio version too, because I know
these young kids love listening to the audio or the

(32:18):
podcasts and stuff. So how about invest in that and
then they've got a resource that they can always go
back to from somebody who has real life experience, not
just somebody who read about something in the classroom and says, hey,
when this happens, you should do this. No, no, I've lived it.
I've walked in their shoes, and so I think that
creates a lot of credibility and people have some buying
When I go and talk to these kids and people

(32:39):
in general, you know, there's a lot of life in there.
So anyways, I think it's a great book. I think
people really enjoy it. And last I just want to
say about the coaching deal. Obviously, whatever direction Washing State goes,
I'm going to support the koops. I just want that
to be known. I just want no stone unturned when
it comes to the search and how people you know,
know how I feel about it. I know a lot

(33:00):
of people reached out to me, Hey, are you serious
about it? I certainly am. I certainly am, and I
would buy in wholeheartedly. It would be kind of be
like walk on to a certain degree and guess what
I say. I found my way and I think I
do the same there.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Well, i'll tell you right now, I appreciate you coming
on today, and I've talked to doctor Can't well. I
don't think she's someone that thinks inside the box. So hopefully,
if nothing else, you'll get a chance to go face
to face with her and John Harlow and in the
athletic department as they go through this process. I trust
that they will. I trust we'll give you that opportunity
and hope that happens and we'll see where it goes
from there. In the meantime, Luke, have a great holiday,

(33:35):
go Koogs, and thanks for joining us. Thanks Ian, Luke Fall.
We'll see, we'll see what ends up happening. I just
looking at the text line four nine four y five one.
There's very people have opinions, and they're very strong one
way or the other, like very by the way, glancing

(33:56):
over breaking news in college football before we get to
a break and also the Daily power Play. This comes
literally minutes after we finished talking to Stuart Mandel. There's
a new opening in college football for a very big program,
Sharon Moore, according to multiple reports, being fired by the
University of Michigan. So the Michigan job is now open. Wow, Wow,

(34:20):
and wow, lot's going on. We'll take a break, come
back with more. All right, I told you ready for

(34:46):
the break. A little breaking news in college football. Man,
why couldn't this happen like two hours ago, hour ago?
We had before we have Mandel to Stewart. University of
Michigan has fired head coach Searon Moore, a statement from
Michigan's athletic director Ward Manual. By the way, when this
first came out, you're like, what are you doing? Like
why would you do it?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Now?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Like all these jobs have been filled, the top candidates
are effectively gone.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Michigan's truly a blue blood program. So this is one
of those things I was mentioned in earlier. I'll get
back to that second.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Let me read.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Let me read this because it's salacious. Head football coach
Sharon Moore has been terminated with cause, effective immediately, following
a university investigation. Credible evidence was found that coach More
engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. This
this conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy, and

(35:42):
um maintains zero tolerance for such behavior. Bill Pogey has
been appointed head football coach in an interim capacity, effective immediately.
Inappropriate relationship with a staff member. Sharon Moore done gone,
Thanks for coming out of there at the Universe See
of Michigan.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
Oh maybe they learned a little something from their state partner.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Maybe just make God that's right, Michigan State with what
was that dipstick's name?

Speaker 8 (36:10):
I don't even want to say his name.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Okay, don't say his name. I can't remember his name.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Now that's how well the predecessor to Jonathan Smith, who
has also been fired. Uh so Sharon Moore is out. Okay,
whatever he did, he did, Bye, thanks for coming the thing.
I'm this is amazing. During cross talk, I was talking

(36:35):
to Mark and we're just talking about, you know, coaches
and leaving, and he says, you know, I know you're
you know, you're you're mad at Jimmy, but you know
he got a better job. I don't Whatever he did
doesn't mean I don't like the guy I can understand
why he took the job and still think he's a puke,
like an absolute scum of the earth puke. So I

(36:57):
can I understand why he did it, but I think
he's a puke. But I get it. But as I
mentioned to Mark, you know, the interesting thing is, because
we all understand and we all understand how this works,
there are very few jobs in the country that are
safe in terms of guys taking that job and not

(37:17):
wanting to take another.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
College football job.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Michigan might be one of those ones where you don't
leave that job for another job. It is a blue
blood program, just a couple of years removed from a
national championship. They are as that's as top shelf as
it gets. Sharon Moore being gone, that opens up really
the entire country unless your name is unless you're Calin

(37:45):
to board Alabama, Lane Kiffin now at LSU. I mean,
the list is pretty damn short of guys that wouldn't
take that job, like really.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Short if offered.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
And now he's gone. Yeah, because when we first saw it,
when we saw before the break, before the actual details
came out, I'm thinking that's crazy. Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Now? You should that you should have.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Done that like three weeks ago or four weeks ago
or a month ago or whatever, right after you know,
right after the Ohowa State game.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
At least you know, you just do it. Then. No,
he's gone, so.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Well, we'll find out more details, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, I really don't care about the details of him
being a you know, sketchy and in the office place.
I'm more concerned with who's going to get that job,
because that like, they're not going to scale, They're not
going to just give it to Searon Morgan. And what
I mean by that is an assistant getting bumped up
or something like that. That's the Michigan job.

Speaker 8 (38:39):
That's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
There's there's probably a lot of athletic directors across the
country that are sweating all of a sudden today.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yep, it is. It is. It is spicy season.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
You were the college football So again, Sharon, we're out
at the University mission and.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
We'll keep you up dated.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
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Huh yeah, he's forty four years old.

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Speaker 2 (39:36):
Who knows. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
By the way, breaking news college football Sharn Moore, Michigan
head coach, out inappropriate relationship with a staff member, breaking
news just moments ago.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
That's all I can say is wow.

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Speaker 3 (40:41):
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Speaker 2 (40:45):
Hello, sir, how are.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
You good, buddy? How's it going?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Man?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I don't know, I don't know. It's a wild day,
wild day in sports. Sure, Searan Moore out at Michigan,
their head coach apparently messing around inside the office.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
So he's done.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And Philip Rivers at forty four may start for the
Indianapolis Colts on Sunday. Mike, I will tell you this.
This is the only thing I was on. I do
a weekly thing with some buddies of mine. They do
the host a TV slash radio show in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,
A And I was on with him today and they kept,
you know, they were referring to it, and I was
referring to it as man, he's forty four, he's old.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
This guy's old.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
But and then I said to those guys at the end,
because we're all roughly the same age asgo I'd killed
to be forty four again, Mike, that's really not that old.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
I was just thinking the same thing. But I got
to tell you a Philip Rivers story that I have. Okay,
when he was a freshman in college, I think he
went to North Did he go to North Carolina State?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I believe so, yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
And then so he went there. His coach there was
Norm Chow.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Oh yeah, and you know Norm very well.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yeah, and he phones me up and he goes, Mike,
I've got this. I've got this freshman quarterback. He's really
a talented guy. But his arm action its side arm
almost you know, I'm going to say something. Look at
it and tell me what we can do here. So
I looked at it, and yeah, he had a delivery
that was different. But then it's been my experience that

(42:16):
the only guy that's been ever change the delivery is
Aaron Rodgers. If the guy is accurate and can get
the ball where he's don't mess with the delivery. And
I told that to Norm, and clearly Philip Rivers played
his whole career that way. If you watch him play,
he's delivering the ball with a little bit of a
side arm motion, but he was accurate and he was good.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Mike does I guess I'm just trying to figure this out.
I mean, it goes for a long long time, a
lot of levels. But let's just look at the NFL.
How realistic is it for a guy to come in,
whether he's thirty four or forty four, but someone who
has not played in the league. This is what's crazy, Mike.

(42:58):
He has not played in the league since twenty twenty,
the COVID year with no fans. Let's talk about that
for a second, Like, how long ago does that seem
right now? And he has not played in the league
since then, How realistic is it to think he could
come in and have any success at all against the
Seattle defense.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
I was thinking that very thing today. You know, going
back to twenty twenty, he hasn't been in and I'm
sure he's kept in shape and he worked out and stuff,
but it's, as you well know, it's really different. And
he knows that. Philip knows that. But he was he
was one of those guys, you know. I got to
meet him a little bit and talk to him over
the years. He just loves it. He loves it, and

(43:37):
if there's any anyone phones him up, he's going to play.
But how realistic is it? I worry him getting hurt.
I really I think it's really a long shot, because
if you just don't shut down for five years and
then step on the field and shoot lights out again,
I don't think I've never seen it happen. I don't

(43:58):
think he's ever happened. So I wish him well if
they doubt if they do play him, I hope he's
you know, it doesn't get hurt and he does okay,
But I think it's a long shot. Me and I
really do.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Well, you know what, I was just thinking the end
of part of like everything as you age changes, and
you know, one of the like one of the things
is mobility, right, your quickness isn't what it used to be.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I got it. I have to think your arm strength
isn't what it was.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I mean, I'm just trying to think, how in the
world could a guy who hasn't thrown a football on
a regular basis in six years, five years, and and
and already was already you know, he was thirty nine
right when he when he left. How can that guy
have any arm strength, Like, let's just say this, even
average NFL arm strength at this age, Like you don't.

(44:48):
Just the other thing is like like it's like baseball,
isn't it, Mike. You don't just come in and start
chucking at one hundred miles an hour.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
No, you don't. And you know, I'm I'm living proof.
Of course, I'm a little older than you are, just
a little, So let's let's put that on the table
just a little. But things start as you get older,
things start to ache, and particularly if you played the game,
if you played the game, I had players come and
visit me, not even this five years after a little

(45:14):
even shorter distances, and I go, how's it going. It's
tough to get out of it, or it's just you know,
and it just catches up with you, and I just
you're right. He the velocity which he will need if
he were to play. He got to do those things,
and I just I don't get it. Now. They don't
have any choice, all their guys, they don't have any quarterbacks,

(45:38):
so they had to do something. And I guess because
of his connection with the head coach, they thought this
might be, this might work, And like I said, it
would really be quite a story if it did work.
But oh my goodness, I think it's going to be tough.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, Leonard was banged up, has knee banged up on
the same day, but as he is, he'son any injury
to Daniel Jones. I think Leonard looks like he's gonna
to be okay. But the boy, they seem to be
intent I going down this path, Mike. Let's just go
back to the bigger picture. We've talked about this a
number of times, and I think this goes back. This
is this would be like Mike Hoger was sitting in
the in the you know committee meetings and the competition

(46:14):
committee meetings next year. This is what you're gonna bring
up again. Isn't this exactly why two things? One you
need to draft quarterbacks every year, but two you need
to have at least three, if not four, quarterbacks are
hunt on your roster at all times.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
I believe that. I've always believed that, and that was
a battle I fought for a long time because there
are people who didn't want to do that when I
was coaching. In fact, they didn't do it, yep. And
so but you have to have you know, if you
let me say this. You're playing a game and you
don't have a quarterback, you lose it. You lose a tackle,
you lose a receiver. Okay, those are all hard. But

(46:49):
if you lose the quarterback, we saw it last week
with Minnesota m H. You know, and you can't. You
have no chance if you have a backup. This's been
with you, maybe you know, if he has a good game,
you go down to the third one, very very difficult.
And if you have to go any farther then that

(47:10):
it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
The National Hockey League, the NHL next year is going
to do something with the new coloctive Parting Agreement that
they're going to And I like this, and I think
it applies to the quarterback in football too, And I'm
wondering if you think this would ever something similar could
ever be passed with a third quarterback next year in
the NHL, every team is going to be allowed to
carry three goalies, but goalie number three won't count in

(47:37):
the NHL. Like the NFL, Mike has a hard salary cap.
It's not the NBA salary cap where you can manipulate
it and all that kind of well for the most part. Right,
So it's they that third goalie will not count against
your salary cap. He will that not counting against your
roster size, but he will be able to practice, be
with the team, travel with the team. So if a

(47:57):
guy gets hurt or guys banged up, or a guy sick,
you don't have to use They call it emergency the
EBUG emergency backup goaltender.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
They have those. Every building has one.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Like if I go to the game tonight, look over
the press box down the very far left of the
press box, there's a guy that he sits there and
if a goalie gets hurt and can't return, then he
goes and gets in the other locker room with his gear,
and if something happens to the backup, he goes in.
That's that's how it works. But next year they're going
to have three on every roster. Could just see the

(48:29):
NFL ever saying, all right, listen, your third quarter Jalen Milrow,
for example, doesn't count against your fifty three man roster
and doesn't count in the salary cap, but he's on
your team and he's there as a third quarterback. Would
the NFL ever be open to something like that.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
I think they.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
I think they absolutely would, particularly after what's happened now.
They could use this as a perfect example, or Minnesota
situation as a perfect example, you know. And and that's
what happens in those meetings. Something has to happen and
that dramatically go oh okay, we've been talking about this.
Now it finally happened. Now it's time to do something.

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And that's typically how things worked in the league when
I was there, and so this would be a perfect time. Well,
you know what, it would surprise me if he played, Honestly,
the more I think about it. But if he were
to play and then get hurt, say, or something should happen.
The league doesn't want that. They don't they don't want that.

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I don't believe. And so you know, now, is it
be a good time to do it?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, A hundred person agree.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Well, listen, while we're doing this, while we're trying to
fix the problems in the National Football League, let me
throw another one at you.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
That would be this.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
So the NFL and NFL officials, they're the NFL officials
bargain or CBA ends in May May thirty first, and
they're talking about some of the things they're going to
do with the with the officials and how they're going
to change things or what they might change, et cetera.
You know my friend Hugh Millen, right, you've talked to
Humilan before. Good guy, really good dude. Yeah, yeah, he's

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I love this term. I just I absolutely goat hurterers, right,
goat hurterers. I think that's what he.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Calls these guys.

Speaker 7 (50:14):
That's right, because they're passionate.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yes, because they don't have that. They have full time
jobs and then on the weekend they're to go officiate
the most expensive, most lucrative, biggest league in our country,
the National Football League. Mike, when can we get full
time officials in the NFL?

Speaker 7 (50:33):
You know, they've been talking about that.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
That was a heavy side, by the way, that was
a really heavy side. That was that was a significant
heavy side right there.

Speaker 7 (50:42):
No, I again, you sit on those committees like I did,
and you talk about the same thing just about every year,
and then it then it falls apart for some reason,
either the owners, they're the commissioner or somebody and it
reaches beyond what the coaches are committee might want. And yeah,

(51:03):
it comes up every year, every year, about the officials
and why it hasn't happened. I don't know, because in
my opinion, I you know, you and I have a
little sparring match for this on occasion. But lately this season,
I'm watching the games and I'm seeing stuff, and it's

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either getting called or not getting called, or getting called
too much or whatever. It just seems very very inconsistent.
And now is the time, like I said with the
other thing, you know, with the three man three quarterbacks,
now is the time to take a serious on a
little look, a serious look at something with the officials.

(51:43):
That's one man's opinion. It's more than I think. I'm
not alone on that.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
What's been the resistance? I mean, I do believe helped
me out here. I do believe that the owners of
the NFL do have the financial wherewithal to do such
a thing. I would think, yeah, well, what's been what's
been the resistance, what's been the pushback over all these years?

Speaker 7 (52:05):
I know they don't. They don't want to. They don't
want to dive deeply into that. They don't want to.
They don't want to imply that the guys working right
now aren't aren't good, aren't doing it well enough, right, you.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Know, okay and okay, yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
You know, they don't they don't want to admit that.
They don't want to admit that they've had twenty years
of ah, you know, you've been screwing it up for
twenty years. Now you're going to do it. Okay. They
don't want to admit that. So that that's that's one
of the reasons I think it doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
That makes actually that that's that's the only thing that
would make sense, is the inability to check the ego
at the door and say, you know what, this this
just isn't working anymore. Let's do it better. Like these
guys are fought like. That's because that's what they affect.
We'd be saying, well, all the criticism over all those years,
they'd have to come out and say, yeah, you know what,
you're right, let's let's take that next step and make
them full time. And apparently that's that's going to in

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the way of what should be happened.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
That sounds like you do you remember, well, of course
you do art.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Deal, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, Well.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
He wrote he was writing a book. I think he
phoned me up. This is years ago. He phoned me
up and he goes, can you tell me some things
that happened in games with officials that I can put
in the book? I said, absolutely, How much time you have?
You know? Was one of the classics was I was

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playing Andy Reid and the incomplete pass right in front
of me. The guy dropped the ball right in front
of me, and he was on the other side of
the field. So he challenged the play and they gave him.
They gave us said no, no, we'll change it. It's
a completion. I said. I called the guy over. I said,
it was right in front of me, he dropped the ball.

(53:50):
How could it be a completion? So anyway, game goes
on the next day, Mike Perero was in charge, phones
me and I said, Mike, before you get going. He goes, no,
before I you get going. I got to tell you
that call. That was not They made a mistake, I said,
tell me about it. I was going to phone you.
What had happened is they looked at the film. They
looked at the play that was on the film, the

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play before, which was a completed pass. They weren't looking
at the right play. So except I go, okay, that
makes me feel better, you know. Oh gee, Mike, did.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It ever make you feel better when they admitted a mistake?

Speaker 7 (54:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Okay, I just want to I just get mad.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
I said, thank you for telling me. But let's get
you know, let's get it right the first time so
I don't have to have a heart attack.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Uh, my friend soft he plays a game. You can
only have one.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I'm going to make you pick the you can only
have one of the guys that the profession that drives
you more crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Agents are officials.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
And you you know what, how long have we known
each other? Man? You love you love these hot button
issues with me because you know me.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Dead tie? Okay, all right, I'll go with the tie.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I just I thought when I saw the story today
and it said officials collective already agreement up, I'm thinking, oh,
this is the perfect time to do it. And guess
who I've got on the show today? Our friend who
loves talking NFL officials, Mike Holungrin. Next time, there's an
Asian story coming up, and it'll probably be a Wednesday
as well, and we'll get you on.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Let me ask you this final thing before we leave.
It's more football related. Uh, your friend and you read
scuffled along right now. His team's not doing well. And
and you know there's listen, they've got they've got issues.
One of the things. And this is not me pushing
your hot button topic of the infamous. We're not going
to throw the football, We're all, we're not gonna run
the footba again, We're just gonna throw it. But one
of the Christism is not christis. One of the things

(55:48):
I've heard people talk about a lot with with the
Chiefs is their quote inability to run the football mic
And we've watched enough Chief schemes. You have, I have,
we all have on a very you know surface. L Well,
I'll see, listen, they don't have maybe an elite running back,
and I know they've got some injuries on the offensive line,
but boy, what I see a lot of times is
like Isaiah Pacheco or Kareem Hunt. They'll have a nice

(56:10):
game and you'll be second and three. Then they'll bust
it through and get a first down. They have two carries,
they get twelve yards out of it, and then they
just abandon the run, like just abandon the run. Running
the football. It takes patience, does it not? And how
difficult is that, because I think that's I think most
people would agree. One of the biggest problems that that
Andy's offense is having is not only do not have

(56:31):
maybe elite wide receivers and Kelsey's getting old, all those things,
but but they just don't stick with the run.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
They don't run it. They're not committed.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
They'd rather go three and out with three passes than
running the ball three times, punting it away and resetting.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
Yeah. I think I feel the same way watching him
play this year, and I think what could be happening
because partaiclo they I don't know if he got hurt
a little bit, but if if you're injured or you
got people they've had injuries up in the in front. Yeah,
in their offensive line. Okay, there might be reasons why
you kind of get away from the running game a

(57:06):
little sooner than you have to. But I don't think
that's not what they're going I think they're playing to Mahomes.
I think he is in their mind. He is in
the play caller's mind all the time, and you can't
really argue with that. I don't suppose, but I think
that's what happens more than anything else, because Aulin you know,

(57:26):
he was an offensive lineman himself, right, and then he
coached tight ends, he coached offensive line, and so offensive
linemen like to run the ball. They like to run
the ball and found it and so no, I think
that that's the only thing I can think of, quite honestly.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, it's I think it has to be what we've
talked about PLAYCLLL before. It has to be won the
hardest thames with play clong, Like just you feel like,
what's the what's that fine line between banging your head
against the wall or banging into the line of scrimmage
and nothing happening, and also knowing at the same time
it's going to probably come through, right at some point,
it's gonna bust through. But it's almost like, you know,

(58:03):
like you're you're chipping away at concrete, right, Like sometimes
it just takes a while to get to that point.

Speaker 7 (58:08):
That's exactly right. And you know what I mean. I
go back to when we went to the Super Bowl
that year, and you know, you teach me about it.
I like to throw the ball. That's I wanted to
throw the ball and do it well. But we also
had a very very good rushing attack and it was
very balanced, and I think to get the most out
of your team and give yourself the best chance, the

(58:30):
balance is much more important.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Well, last I checked, I believe that team, if I'm
not mistaken, had the MVP that year as a running
back on that team that went to the Super Bowl.
So I do believe you guys did run the ball
enough that year. There wasn't enough.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
There was.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I mean he had he had almost two thousand yards.
He had eighteen eighty so like he did.

Speaker 7 (58:47):
He was pretty good. He was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You probably had Matt knocking on your door saying, hey, Mike,
can't we throw it some more?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Like I want to throw it some more?

Speaker 7 (58:55):
But do you know the other thing with real quick
is the offensive line. Yeah, those guys give them credit.
Oh yeah, Hutchinson and all those guys. They and you
got to have that too. To your back can be great,
but you got to have that offensive line.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Well you had.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
You had the best that we've ever seen in this
city period. End of story. And I'm not sure if
that'll ever change because yeah, between Walt, hutch Robbie, Chris
Gray and uh and Locke Man those guys were they
were They were special.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
They were really good.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
They they probably told you what they wanted to have happened.
Every now and then, I would assume they probably gave
you a couple of pieces of advice.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
On occasion I had to tell them to go sit down,
and they walk. They come off the field run by me,
and then invariably one of them will whispers, not whisper.
They'd tell me something. Yeah, you get a. I said,
thank you, I'm calling the game.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Well, see, now that's why I'm here here for you, Mike.
You probably miss things like that. So that's why I
bring up officials and agents every now and then, just
to just to kind.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
Of you know, yeah, I know. I got to go
in and get an ice cube out of it and
put it on my four YOUA. Now, you know we'll get.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Through the You'll do that again tomorrow because you'll join
Softy tomorrow afternoon. So enjoy that, my great stuff. I'll
talk to you next week, my friend. Thank you so much.
That is Mike Clumber joining us here on the Beacon
Plumping hotline. Oh that's one of my favorite guys to
talk to. I do believe I don't really try to

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I don't really try to get him going, but for
some reason, we always go down that road and it
ends up happening and becomes farm. Maybe I'm more, maybe
I'm entertained by it. I know he's not always entertained
by it. He thinks I'm always trying to push his buttons.
I'm not always trying to push his buttons, just on occasion.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
The sigh said it all. He didn't have to make He.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Knows at all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
He knows what he knows. On Wednesdays, there's going to
be something. Yeah, he does because I think here's what
I think happens. I think on Mondays and Fridays, when
he's with Chuck and Bucky, I think it's it's relatively
quiet and peaceful. So we got a So I'm just
kind of the warm up act because I get him
warmed up. I get him warmed up for tomorrow, and
he gets softy tomorrow. But we're so lucky to have

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all Seriously, we're so lucky to have Mike on everywhere.
I love so much fun to have him on. All Right,
we'll take a break, we'll come back. I will check
your text.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
All right, let's let's get to the text four nine,
four to five on that is the unrestricted text line. Yeah,
yesterday it was the Chambers Beta Stillory text.

Speaker 8 (01:01:42):
Line, which was lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
We liked that.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
We like Chambers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I'll get let me get to the Falk stuff first
and we'll move on from there. Okay, let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I love Luke's passion for the Kuges. Maybe maybe bringing
home as many cougar coaching talents.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
What we need.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
We do need to think way outside the box. Got
to have someone who can fundraise, which is also why
I think Rick new heisl do well, but he's not
a coup Go Coups two a six was initially against Luke,
but after listening to his passion, I believe he deserves
a close look and an interviewed.

Speaker 8 (01:02:10):
I think just the interview. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
On the other side, this dude sounds like an underqualified
used car salesman. Oh that what the next person says,
Dude reminds me of Doug Gottley.

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
I don't really know. If that's positive, that's negative.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I assume so, but I fortune five.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I hope he gets a job to watch that train
wreck over under eight games before he's fired. Wow, now
another good one. Luke is sounding very much like Frosty Western.
He should read his books and lead into being uncommon.
Frosty was the great one, the great Frosty westering at PLU.
Make the big time where you are it's not a
place at state of the mind. That was kind of
his his mantra coaching in small college football, winning national championships, and.

Speaker 8 (01:02:50):
Just like coach Leach was swing your sword.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
He's like that, I'm sold. Go coach, Go coach Falk,
go coops. Then we have this one. This dude sounds
like it. Ude is living in the snow gold very nice, snowglal.
You can be a coach and make millions. You don't
have to sacrifice anything other coaches I've always had to sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Sounds great, Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
So yeah, mixed reviews on that. I think I did
have somebody text me saying I'll quit my job today. Listener,
friend of mine, I'll quit my job today. Angle jump
on his staff. I don't care like so, I think
what you just said is true. Just get him an interview.
Just get an interview President Camptwell. Apparently Kirby Moore is
there today talking to Washington State, as Greg Woods reported
from The Spokesman Review.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Okay, let's see, let me get.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
There's there's a couple.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
There was one from Jeremy Jeremy which I appreciated on HomeGrid.
Home HomeGrid is the best on all shows. I hope
he's still listening to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
He's walking over his freezer to get an ice cube.

Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
To put on his head right now, see and eating
them up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Dang it, Jess be me by one second at holmegrin
side was one of the biggest shocky size I've ever
heard since he left for Denver.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Haha.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
It was very very shocky, like I haven't heard home
do me that. He's never really given me the big
side before. That was a pretty heavy show.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
That was the longest It was like it again and out,
like he had to take time to inhale as much
as he wanted to exhale.

Speaker 8 (01:04:14):
Yeah, that was. That was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
We love Mike obviously, but you know, I think I
think one of the things with him is that you
can get him going on certain things. And I love
his passion for not the officials agents. I love his
passion for the quarterback situation. And that's why that's why
we kind of led with that today because I think
it's a problem in the NFL when you have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
It just can't be good for anything or anybody in
the league to have a forty four year old that
hasn't played in five years come off the street and
play quarterback in the NFL game. I don't care how
good Philip Rivers is or more appropriately was past ten.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Like I mentioned to Mike, and I think this is true.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
This would be a Hugh mill In question. You if
you're listening, text me and I get by the way,
he if you are listening text came in. I don't
think those guys read it. It came in after when our
show started about the conversation with Fain and Holmegun yesterday,
but demon Williams and how deep his drops were, and

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the person said that how much he appreciated Hugh's insight,
that's why he likes listening to Hugh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
And it's one of those things. Now I'll let you
in on something. I know. Hugh talked to my son
last night.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
There was a conversation about how far I think it
was the depth of a drop back that an offensive
lineman likes. Because Hugh called and Keifer went upstairs and
I don't know how that they had a long conversation
about it. I love that, but I love you know.
And actually I did talk to my son later and
he's like that was a ton of fun, Like he
was all excited, like this is he goes, I love

(01:05:56):
talking ball, and like he hadn't talked to Hugh on
the phone before and had a blast talking about it,
and so yes, So Hugh, if you're listening, here's my
next question. Is it like baseball at all? Because there's
no way you're coming. You're not gonna go get who's
been rich. Felix Hernandez is coming in off the street
and I'm gonna pitch for the Mariners tomorrow because they're down.

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They don't have a starting pitcher, and you're gonna expect
Felix to amp up and throw full speed and with
full velocity whatever he's got left. I know it's not
one hundred percent of the same thing, but you're still
throwing something a football like, how can that be? How
can he be ready to throw football at NFL level?
Makes no sense?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Does it?

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Well, I I think, but I learned from coach also
is that he was just worried about him getting hurt.
That is the biggest thing I did not think about
the years he has been out the Philip Rivers of
college football, right, And that was another text that came in,
was just about that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
And I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Yeah, there's no guarantee playing full time wages will and
sure the rep's get all the calls right one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
What doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Well, full time officials in baseball football or baseball, NBA, NHL,
and they don't get all the calls right. But at
least you have given yourself the best opportunity to have
the best possible level of officiating. If that's all they're doing,
that's their full time job. If the quarterback situation says

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the two six did not get addressed in the San
Francisco Philadelphia playoff game when perty had to play with
one arm, why would it now? Very good point, Well,
if Philip Rivers gets annihilated, hurt whatever, which nobody wants
to see, then maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
That will happen along the way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Some more stuff about the Cougar football search. Rick new
Huigs will be the best choice for Wazoo.

Speaker 8 (01:07:50):
It'll be interesting. I'm gonna see him this weekend, by
the way, I'll get some.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Deets knowing Luke and his pastor for car Cougar FOOTBA
will be awesome. Concerns though, Rick new Heiesel and his
son coming in for forty five year period would really
propel us another level, even though we are big boy
Brando Koogs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I think you were doing a voice text. But yet
new Heisel and his son.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
You know, we have a precedent for that, and that
would be Dick Bennett Tony Bennett when they brought them in.
But that Dick wasn't fifteen years removed from coaching college basketball.
He was coming off a recent NCAA tournament adherance with
Wisconsin Green Bay. I'm not mistaken. So it's a little different.
That was Jim Sturk that hired him, by the way, too,

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So I don't know. We'll see okay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Uh, I was like, don't read that one?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Which one did not read?

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Which?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Oh no, I saw one.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
Okay, I got you, I got you, Yeah, I got you.
Rivers has a ton of kids to throw too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I don't think he's full of the throwing full velossity
do either his great child or to his kids.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
But thirty four year old grandfather, I don't meet a
lot of those.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Whatever he's getting paid, I bet I go out and
get sacked ten times too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
I mean I don't think this is an indictment on
philipp that's easiest, say, yeah, that's the easiest.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Say.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Then you're standing out there on the field. You look
up and big Cat's coming your way. Bira Murphy's coming
your way, Shann's coming your way, DeMarcus Lawrence is coming
your way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah. Oh, even Warry's gonna blitz. Yeah that really you
really said you could handle that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
And nobody can handle that off the street stop it.
Oh wait, you fall down in a fetal position.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Well I would definitely uh this one you're not going
to read because it's complimentary to you, Iana. I heard
you called the cracking game the other night a great job.
My question is how do you learn all those names
so quickly?

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Not quickly?

Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
He actually works a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Some people have a photographic memory. Foreslyn has that. Yeah,
I don't John also calls games probably on average five
out of seven nights a week because he does the
national stuff for T and T and also UH Prime
out of Canada. But I watched what I do is
my preps pretty simple. I watched the other team play

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a bunch of times like they I'll watch a replay.
I watched I think four Minnesota Wild games over the
course of the six or seven days leading up to
our game with them on Monday, and do it with
a roster and just repetition and the way you go
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Yeah, yeah, but I appreciate it. I appreciate the compliment.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
I think, yeah, it does.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
I mean, you know, I go through the same thing,
like pronunciations and everything. I talked to sports information directors
communication directors for professional teams can probably help in that.
But you know, FORESLN, because of the national scale, gets
to see many more teams.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
If I ask john if I say to Johnny right now,
who's twenty four on Minnesota, just like that, he zach
Pagochi like he was just fin just fine, it'd be
simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
He's got and he's also a skill.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
He's a skill, and he's he calls a better game
than anybody in the league right now. And it's awesome
to have a chance every now and then to stand
in that seat or standing his his press blocks up there.
National Game tonight, by the way on TNT for us. Okay,
we'll take a break, come back soft, he's next. Al Right,

(01:11:25):
he's back. Nave SALTI maler. Do you have a moral
clause in your contract?

Speaker 10 (01:11:31):
Moral turpitude clause? Do you have one of those we
define moral turpitude. I mean, let's just get into this
and discuss what exactly we're talking about in detail.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
We were talking about this off the air in the morning.
I think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I think there is something in there, but it doesn't,
you know, specify. I don't know, you know, secretaries or
co workers or members. What if you're just a creep,
they can fire you. Well, I will be totally honest
with you. I I married the promotion as directory you did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Okay, there's no way we could have that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
About GM's office here, well.

Speaker 10 (01:12:03):
Back in the day, yeah, back in the day, we
had multiple inner office romances at one time, a lot
lot going on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
I got here towards the tail end of that, but
I do remember some and one of them.

Speaker 10 (01:12:15):
Well, I mean I was one. You had Sarah Dickinson
and Kirk Vokes. Uh, you had Mark and Jenny, right,
you had Eric Powers and Jody Fraser.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
But what's what is and everybody got married? What's That's
the thing. This wasn't like me in the parking garage.
This was if they get somebody gets married.

Speaker 10 (01:12:32):
What if you're saying, if he left his wife, because
he's married, right, if he left his wife and he
and he and he hooked up with this paid shiver
gal thirty two years old.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
That's the gal that's being reported.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
By the way, I'm stunned that you've already done the research.
It's all over Twitter. What are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
It comes to you.

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
What research is there to do? It's right in front
of your face. Away just because you didn't know. Don't
get mad at me. But this Paige Shiver, she's thirty two. Yeah,
look her up page p ai Ge Shiver. I know
Jess is looking her up right now. I can see
him moving your keyboard. By the way, I can see
you on your camera back there. I'm watching you. There's

(01:13:13):
a camera on you anyway. Apparently the uh well, yeah,
I mean, are you kidding me. The story is that
she got pregnant and he paid for her abortion. That's
all over Twitter as well. A lot of reports about
that out there. So do you think they just want
to get rid of the guy. I think they got
to be a part of it. I think they absolutely

(01:13:34):
eighteen and eight at Michigan, you saw what he's done
the last couple of years. Kind of feel bad for
the guy. You're replacing the legend who won a national championship,
to replace it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Like Kaylin de boor at Alabama with Nick Saban.

Speaker 10 (01:13:48):
So you know, Sharon Moore probably put in a pretty
tough spot to replace Jim.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Harbaugh, who is being rumored out there.

Speaker 10 (01:13:56):
Well, I tell you what, man, we'll talk about this
coming up at three o'clock. The first name that came
to my mind was John Harbaugh was Jim's brother, because
I know that things are kind of falling apart in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
He's been there for a long time.

Speaker 10 (01:14:08):
I don't know about Jim's relationship with the Wolverines and
if that would preclude his brother from going there. Things
did not end well as you know with him in Michigan.
His name is out there, Kalin's name is obviously out there,
and then I'll tell you just you know what, I'll
tell Dick at three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
He's in getting his holiday massage right now.

Speaker 10 (01:14:28):
I just called my buddy Rico Beard in Detroit and
I said, who are they going after? And the first
words out of his mouth were your guy, as in
Jedfish who was there for two years from twenty fifteen
to twenty sixteen. So I'm not saying Jed's leaving you,
dub from Michigan. I'm not saying that Michigan wants to
hire Jedfish as their number one option. But Penn State,
you may have noticed, had to go about five six

(01:14:50):
deep on their list before they got to Matt Campbell
and hired him. Okay, now a little bit of a
different situation now at Michigan caring a guy who's going
to replace the dude that replaced the dude right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
You're talking about the frilled right.

Speaker 10 (01:15:06):
A lot of coaches were kind of turned off by
the way James Franklin got treated by Penn State with
his record getting whacked by them, So maybe not as
attractive a gig for them as the Michigan job is
right now. But I mean we know new Heizel wants
back in the game. I don't think Michigan would go
after him. I know he's looking at Wazoo, but that
seems like kind of a pipe dream.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Now is the days go by?

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:15:27):
I just think the idea on a big name out
there right, there's not the idea of Jetfish taking that
gig is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
It's not a zero for me, not a zero at all,
not even close to a zero. So we'll see. We
might be both looking for new coaches.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
But at least unlike the state of Michigan, both of
the top schools in our state didn't have two coaches
both fired for costs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Well how many? How many coaches?

Speaker 10 (01:15:50):
So you had you had Rolovich, and then you had
uh Dickert, and then you had Jimmy. Talk about it,
so what year was Rollovich's last year? By the way,
COVID year was so twenty twenty. You're gonna have four
coaches in six seven years?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Is that correct?

Speaker 9 (01:16:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
And we're gonna have Jimmy in twenty twenty, the bore
in twenty two and twenty three, and now Jed. That's
seven coaches man minimum, seven coaches combined between our two schools.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
But again about not fired for cause.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
No, unlike the state of Michigan, not stooping a staff
member creeps in Michigan, it just creeps.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Least Land sing with melt Tucker and now Sharon Moore.

Speaker 10 (01:16:27):
I mean, you know what if you lived in Michigan,
you know, options.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Are limited, you know, all right, So outside Jim Mom's
from Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
By the way, Okay, so outside of talking about Jed
Fish the lieutenda of the Michigan Florio will.

Speaker 10 (01:16:39):
Join us, Petrous will join us, Kevin Harlan will join us,
and then Lane Lamberts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
How about that Losers of six.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
In a row.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
He's the great La Kings Tonight, Baby, here's got a
great term. The other day, we have too many passengers?

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
I love that term. Movie we have passengers here just
kind of float along? No, sure, yeah, you would meet
see it all right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
For the mild mannered and marginally objectionable e inverness this
paddle day saying so long everyone,

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