Furness Show 12-19: Stewart Mandel, Anne McCoy and Corbin Smith

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Mike McDonald light of Seahawk injury reports yesterday, Gino Smith
feeling good. He tempered it yesterday with yeah, we'll see
how it goes. Then Gina was a full participant in
Wednesday's practice. That's good news for the Seahawks, but not
great news. Both running backs one and two Walker and
Charmoney both were out yesterday as well. We'll see what
they can do later. Ola Timmy also still battling that

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trading for former number two overall draft pick Coppocco. In exchange,
the Rangers receive Will Morgan and two draft picks. Cocko
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
He slots right immediately into the lineup tonight. I believed
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I'm back on Monday, Jess is not. I'll be with
Andrews on.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Monday, Yes, that is correct, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Then we're kind of then we're gone the rest of
the week basically Bowl games or somebody filling in here there.
I don't even know, but you know, holidays are here.
Can they get some time off a little bit here
and there?

Speaker 4 (01:40):
So we have a lot of traffic on the airways
when it comes to play by play though, so lots
of games.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Watch game, lots of games. Okay, we've got a busy
show coming up today. Stuart Mandel from The Athletic and
the Audible Podcast will join us at twelve twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
And Jasparilla Bowl. By the way, Jasparula, thank you very much.
Florida two lane.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Florida two lane Flora to Florida too lane.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, oh yeah, wow, it's.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Actually a decentble. We'll get to Stuart mandel On at
twelve twenty today, we'll talk about the Dicker situation, talk
about some successors, Mike Vick going back into college football,
and then yeah, we'll actually talk about college football playoff
games with Stuart coming up today at twelve twenty. We
were joking about that last week. A next week we
can finally talk about that when then all hell breaks

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this in our state, So we'll get into that with him.
A McCoy's going to join us one o'clock live on
the air, watch the state athletic director. So I'm excited
about that. We've just been grinding away trying to get
her on. She did a conference call yesterday on the Zoom.
But you know, we were saying, hey, we'd like to
get her on.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
And well, we've had her in studio and we've had
her on several times. I think we're the only station
in Seattle that has done so.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, we wanted to get her on and find out
where we're at in the process, what happened. There's a
lot of questions to ask. Finances. We talked about that
yesterday with Alex and MK the you know, are they
really down to seventy nine scholarships for when they could
have more than that? So we'll talk about that as well.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And also her press conference yesterday.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
That'll be twenty three hours after she spoke to the
collective media and as we know, things can change quite fast.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Funny you bring that up. I thought about that today. Say, oh,
was gravy to have hand on today? Oh, it's weird.
I mean, because you know, last I saw our friends
at wake Forest their coach resigned officially, what was it
Monday or Tuesday? And they had a coach by Wednesday. Well,
why can't we do that? Well, because our guy actually
did just resign. The guy at wake Forest had been
in the works to resign for a while. They were

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working on a succession plan for a while. Jake had
probably been taking talking to them for a while. In
a way we go, so I will talk to her,
coming up a little bit more on that second, and
then our guy, Corbin Smith's gonna join us two o'clock today.
The Seahawk's getting ready for the Minnesota Vikings. Were just
talking about with Chris Kid a moment ago in our
crosstalk segment. Big big game this week. It does. I mean,

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it's just and we kind of say that every week
in the NFL. We all know that this one's a
little bit different week. I mean, it doesn't take much
to figure that out. This is a different level Minnesota
playing for something big and and for them, you know,
they still have eyes on winning the division. They're twelve
and two, same as Detroit. I think Detroit bill has
a tiebreaker right now. So it's a huge game. Obviously

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for Minnesota. It's unfortunate because yeah, Minnesota has already clinched
the playoff spot that they've got higher aspirations right now.
Seattle's on the outside looking in at eight and six,
and a win would be massive because you probably then
keep pace with the Rams, who have a relatively easy
schedule the next couple of weeks with the Jets and
the Cardinals, where Seattle has Minnesota and then the Bears.

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Bears shouldn't be a problem, but you know, who knows
that's the day after Christmas.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
They're a little hard to predict these Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
The Bears are awful. They're four and ten. The game
is this week, and you just kind of hope you
get to the point where the final game of the
year in LA means something. Hopefully that that game you're
playing for something, you're playing for your your playoff life.
The Seahawks at that point as well. Gino being back
this week should be huge. Sounds like if that's not
even a concern anymore, at least we'll see what happens today.

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You know, it's funny McDonald the way they work it.
I think Greg was talking about this earlier. They talked
to McDonald before he talks before practice, but they've already
had a walk through, so he kind of knows where
guys are at. But they they they talkt he talks
before the main practice. Well then stuff comes out, Oh like,
oh now Charbonay's hurt or old the Timmy's hurt? Still

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what's going on? Oh but Gino's a full go because
that wasn't really expected yesterday. Great news, though. I think
we saw enough last week for this team to get there.
They need to have Geno Smith playing. I think we're
all in agreement there. All right, let me put a
bow on this because we'll talk to Stewart in a
second and we'll got we got amacoy coming up at
one o'clock today. We will do a daily power play

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at one forty five. Crack can make a big move. Yesterday,
we'll kind of jumping away the deep. Yeah, that's that's
a shake it up move, is what that is, Jess.
That's a that's a we've got to kind of shake
the locker room up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
And it's kind of miasma has not hesitated to do
I like you know, and but.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
He needs to help with the GM and the GM
game help and I don't. I'm not saying it was
a move just to make a move, because you pick
up a guy that has a pretty high upside but
also had fallen out of favor in New York with
the Rangers. He was pretty outspoken about it, like really
outspoken about and basically it's easy to scratch me because
I'm the young guy. Like I I like that because

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the role hockey guys don't speak out a lot, and
he did. Now he's here good. He's a former number
two overall pick much like and he was the number
two overall pick two years before Matti Beneers is a
number two overall pick. Now they're gonna play together in
the same line. It looks like and maybe maybe he
had those two guys can get each other going because
Maddie is not going right now at all at all. Okay,

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So just real quick, yesterday was like one of those
days that and I do find this interesting. I find
it interesting when people tell other fans how to fan,
and we're all guilty of it, so I'm not.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I think it's a natural thing that people do without
even realizing.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
So I don't want to be the total hypocrite, because
we are, but I do always we joke about on
the show, but I try not to tell people how
to fan, and you know what, by doing that, then
you end up telling people how to be a fan.
That's just how it is. But this was kind of
weighing on me a little bit last night because and
I don't this isn't about okay, The rivalries are great.
Having a rival is the best thing about college sports.

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It still hasn't quite gone away yet. Everything else feels
like it's going away. The rivalry stuff isn't so playing
Washington last night in an Apple cup of basketball was great.
They kicked our ass. We just played awful and good
for them. And you know, talking back and forth goes
on what a Husky fan says to and I'll just
use me as a as a Cougar fan, for example,

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what a Husky fan says to me. I couldn't I
couldn't care. I don't care.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Say whatever you want. That's your because you know what
your O rival. I would expect it be like, oh,
you know, last year, you guys were making fun of
Debora even hell yeah, we were, damn right, we were.
Circumstances are different, but that's fine. But here's the one
that I think is funny. When other fans of the
same team or school or what have you tell you

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how you should act.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I saw Ryan Leaf on Twitter today. He's chirping about, oh,
you know, Cougar fans, stop wanting to do this. How
about you worry about you like like everyone handles. And
I would put this, this is sports grief. And I
have I think, I you know, and I went I
actually caught me in a bad time yesterday. I went
on early with him at seven thirty. The motions were
like ten minutes old, like raw.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well yeah and that, and.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
That goes viral. Everyone's oh, you know because I called
him a punkin a puke or whatever it is. And
I agree, he is a lot, he's all those things.
I haven't changed my mind on that. But like when
you tell someone of the same fan base how to
be a fan, what you should and what I mean
by that is what you should be cheering for, what
you should be mad about, how you should react at

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what you're You can't tell someone what their emotion should be.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Like.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
For you to do that is just a you're a
clown when you do that. Like, everyone handles things different.
How Softy handles a Washington negative news lost Let's just
use negative. How how Softy handles Washington fill in the
blank negative is different than how Dick's gonna handle it,

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how Purple Sheet's going to handle it. How any of
you guys are a husky fans like, you're gonna handle
it differently. Some will fly off the handle, some will insult,
some will nut. So it doesn't you handle it differently?
You know why? Because you're a fan. What's a fan?
It's being emotional? For me, I was pissed at Dickert.
My emotion runs deeper in the bigger picture of where

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we're at. But it's funny. I was driving home and
I was talking to a buddy mine last night. We're
catching up and he's pretty dialed into some stuff in
the athletics part we're talking. I said, you know, I've
so moved pass asked Jake Dickard, you know seven eight
hours later.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I honestly, our show was like a therapy session for
me when it comes to doing that.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
But I don't care about Jake Dickard anymore. I just don't.
I care about the bigger picture. I care about what
Upper Campus is or isn't doing, But I don't care
about Jake dick anymore. But just just my little word
of advice, don't tell other fans. If you're the fan
of a team, if it's a rival, then you go
ahead and chirp and have fun with it. Man, damn

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you should do that. If you don't, then shame on you.
But if you're a Seahawk fan, don't tell other Seahawks
fans how a fan and what they should be feeling.
I'm a Cougar fan. I don't want another Cougar fan,
tell me how I should feel, Jess, I won't tell
you how you should feel.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, because I think we have different levels of emotion
on it.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
We're both disappointed, yeah, and different types of relationships and
things like that. It's just different. But yeah, I had
it to get that off. I saw the leaves chirping.
I'm like, shut up, man, God, just shut the hell up.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, yeah, he's not exactly the beacon.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
A Well, I'll tell you this I have. He doesn't
speak for the majority of Wazoo fings.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
He really doesn't. I think people think sometimes because he's
a big name out there, that he does. I don't
want to listen to a guy tell me how to
be emotional not emotional, and I don't know who's speaking
to I think just in general fans, they were sideways yesterday.
You think they shouldn't be. But don't tell me that
when you're out there running around the country wearing other
team sweatshirts.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
But you know that is him having his own thoughts
and emotions if he has them, and that's you know.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
He can that. But don't talk down to other people.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think that's what it was. I don't need that,
and nobody needs that. And you know, like I said,
everyone fans differently. Like if you there's people when the
Seahawks lose, they lose their mind.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh good good.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know what, who are we to criticize that? Who
are we? No, We're not, okay, Stuart Mandel One or
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Speaker 2 (12:33):
Stuart Mandel joins us from the Athletic and of course
his podcast The Audible with Bruce Feldman, and he is
here with us every Thursday. We are not here Next Thursday.
We'll talk again down the road and we get I
think the next time we'll talk to It would be
the quarter semi finals. Yeah, right before the semi finals. Yeah, man,
we got college football payoffs. How are you, my friend?

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Yeah, I'm good. I think I can tell from having
talked to you guys offline getting better than.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
You and confirm.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, you know I mentioned this in the first segment.
I'll just say with you on the air. Listen, we've
coaches leaving, things happening. That's part of college athletics. Players
that pour all that stuff. We feel a little bit
more vulnerable, I think at Washington State right now, but
there's no it's time to move on, like it's we've
moved on from Dickert and I'm excited to see what

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Ann McCoy does next. I'm excited to see I know,
some of the player or some of the guys that
have expressed an interest yesterday right away to people that
expressed interest in the job, and even though they're not
head coaches, that got me excited. So yeah, it's time
to move on. Upward and onward in a way we go.
But let's just talk a couple of things. One Dicker
going to Wake Forest. I think a lot of us

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were surprised by that move. I wasn't surprised he would leave,
but I was surprised it would be for that particular
jobs too. It I just I don't know how good
a job that is, But maybe it says more about
his desire just to leave period.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Well, I think that, Yeah, I'm surprised that's the school
he chose, although Wake Forest has been more competitive, you know,
certainly under Dave Claflam than I think people give them
credit for. But I mean, I just think it speaks
to the to the unfortunate situation Washington State was put in.
They're basically a group of five program now, and if

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they don't want to admit that, and if you're a
group of five coach and a Power four conference comes calling,
it's hard to say no because when's the next and
you don't know if that opportunity is going to present
itself again. So he got himself into the ACC, into
a conference where if you win that conference, you're going
to the playoffs or in this case this year, even
a second team went to the playoff. And I don't
know that that's you know, that's that's in this limbo

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carrier right now. When the TAC twelve reforms, then they
might be able to win the conference and go to
the playoff. That wouldn't be you know, guaranteed like it
would in the ACC.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was trying to figure out because I think it
only includes the ACC and the Big twelve, Stewart, because
I think if you're an SEC school or a Big
ten school, I don't think you come into the category
of the fall up. What are the hardest jobs in
the ACC or the Big twelve, the two non SEC
Big ten school conferences? What are the hardest jobs? Because
I would think that wake Forest has to be in

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the top three. Maybe Stanford's right right there as well.
I don't know if yeah, I don't know if you
see f would be in that category, or Cincinnati al well,
since they went to a DA playoffs a couple of
years ago. So what are the hardest jobs in those conferences?

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:25):
I just think all those small private schools, and like
you said, Stanford's now in that mix as well. Cal's
got it really difficult. They don't have money, they don't
have geography, you know, connection to the schools there are
in a conference with now little trivia though for you
on wake Forest going into this season, they have the
second worst all time winning percentage of Power Conference schools.

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Indiana had such a great season that they passed them.
So now Wake Forest is does have the lowest winning
percentage of any Power Conference school, but most of that
is kind of distant past. I mean, Dave classon a
little bit Jim Grove and then Dave class and set
the expectation that they can go to a bowl game
more often than not. I believe they're in the Gator
Bowl a couple of years ago. They won the ACC

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under Jim Grove. So it's not like a hopeless place
by any means. It's just difficult, but they do better.
They're better funded, nil than maybe people would expect a
very affluent, you know, alumni base. But it's hard for them.
It's hard for Duke in football. But look at the
success that they're having, you know, I guess the good
thing is there's not like a dominant program in the
AEC right now, not even Florida State obviously, So that

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does open the door for what people would consider to
be the harder jobs, you know, the schools with the
harder jobs, even they have a chance to you know,
at least contend and be in the upper half, right.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now, I do want to get to the games on
the field. We'll do that in just a second to
a Mandell joining us from the Athletic thea Athletic dot
com right away. I heard from people that we're close
to both Alabama assistant coach DeMarcus Shepherd, who had and
you're at Pullman with Mike Leach and then three years
last three years with Calen the board two at Washington
and won at Alabama, and also Kirby Moore, the offensive
coordinator at Missouri, who both have expressed interest. I know

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they've both reached out to am McCoy that people have,
they've expressed interest in the job. They're neither one of
them has a head coaching resume, which is interesting and
I'm not sure what Wazoo's thinking. We're gonna have am
McCoy on at one o'clock today. But are you hearing
any other names associated with Washington State right now?

Speaker 6 (17:28):
I think you probably are more connected and plugged in
in the Washington State coaching search than I am. I
did see John Canzano's cal him a little bit ago
or he threw out some names, and one of them
was ken Nea Mafalolo. That would be very intriguing.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Do you think so he's a very good coach. Do
you think it'd be good for if you yeah, yeah,
give me why.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
He's just a really good coach. Yeah, he won games
at Navy. He goes to Santase State, which you talked
about hard jobs, that might be the worst one in
the whole country, and they had a good season. He showed.
In fact, I think the most important thing you showed
this year is he does after on the triple option
to have success. So I'm not saying like, oh, go
run and hire him tomorrow, But if the if the

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president of the AD decided, you know, this is such
a hard job now we need somebody who has established
head coaching experience, you know, that would be a really
intriguing option.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
No, absolutely, And you know, I was just going to
look into the list of coaches in you know that
they're going to be seeing in two years in the
Pac twelve, and there's some do I mean Bronco going
to Utah State. I mean that he's going to raise
the level there, I think in others. So we'll, yeah,
we'll keep an eye on it. Is Stuart Mandel joining
us here on the athleticeathletic dot Com. Tell me about
Mike Vick getting into college football. Has he I guess

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he has, at least in some people's eyes, repaired his
image enough where now he's going to lead a college
football program.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
I mean, it was such a you know, it was
such a scandalous thing at the time that I don't
you know, it is obviously always going to be associated
with it. But he does seem like, you know, he
served his time, and he it's been a while now
and he's been on TV, and I don't know that
it's necessarily as you know, his his what I'm trying
to say here, his reputation is not entirely tied to
that at this point. Now, can he be a successful

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head coach? I have no idea. It does seem like
we're seeing more lower level schools kind of go for
the publicity. But it's it's you know, in the case
of Jackson State, it worked. Eddie George took the head
coaching job at Tennessee State a few years ago. I
think he was like doing a Broadway show at the time.
He had definitely never been a coach, and they went
to the playoffs this year. It's a different deal than you.

(19:33):
Definitely would not want to do that at the FBS
level and certainly Power Conference level because it's such a
complicated job now, but you know, the the SCS and
especially HBCUs can be a good kind of training ground,
and uh, you know, I wish him luck there, But
who would who would even pretend to know how it's
going to go.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I I'm wondering what you think could happen down the
road in terms of contingency plans. Now, they avoided they
avoided a problem with the Independence Bowl because they found
a team Louisiana Tech to play Army because Marshall opted
out with thirty plus players in the transfer portal for
people wondering, Wazoo's got twenty plus. But they've already said

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they're committed to playing in the Holiday Bowls, so that's
not going to happen. But I think you wrote about this, Stewart,
this will not be the last time that there is
this type of situation that creeps up. Right with the
calendar the way it is right now, what do you
think can be done or is anything going to be
done to prevent this from happening in the future where
team opts out because it's not that team. It's say,
in this case, would have an Army, right that excited

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probably for a bowl game, especially kids that play for
that program, and they were the ones that were kind
of potentially on the outside looking in.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
The whole ball system process is outdated in my opinion.
It goes back to it's you know, it's not what
it was. These bowl games are not what they were
twenty thirty years ago, where the teams that have the
absolute best, great seasons got to go and it was
a reward, and you know, you have to do We
just have to acknowledge that most of these bowls now
are basically the football version of the NI. They're good

(21:01):
TV programming. You know, I had fun watching the LV
Cal game last night. Yeah, but NLV was out there
coaching Cal was with out their first two quarterbacks. Right,
That's just that's what these games are now. We got
to see some freshmen for Cal.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
So.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I don't know that you can unwind like all the
conference affiliate I mean, arm The reason this happened to
Army in particular is that up until this year they
were independent, and so they made their own bowl deals
and they had a deal they happen to have a
deal with the Independence Bowl this year, and the Independence
will happen to be the one whose team opted out.
I would like to see it opened up to anybody,

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whatever your record is, maybe not like on the first
line of defense, like we want to reward the really
good teams. But if you get in a situation like that,
who wants to play? Because that's basically what happened to
them was they thought, okay, well we'll go get a
five and seven team. Well, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, all these schools
like they've already sent their players home for the winner.

(21:57):
And in many camps answers are coaching changes, opt outs,
portal It's wasn't feasible for them to play. So I
would just recommend them losing it up. We have a
precedent for that. The COVID season they opened it up
to everybody, and you know, we had a lot of
teams opt out then obviously, and I didn't feel like
that Bowl season was you know, oh this is awful.

(22:18):
There's a four and eighteen playing in this game like
no football, So I would I would keep.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
That in mind.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm always I'm a big fan of more football,
but there is A. It's it is antiquated to be sure.
Maybe if depending on if they in two years, if
they expand the bracket from twelve to more teams, and
maybe that changes things. But yeah, I kind of like
you're one final thing off the field. I had not
heard this and and I'm glad you wrote about it.
Tell people what because we've all been saying, okay, and

(22:44):
this came up with some Dickert stuff this week and
Matier and and everybody going to the portal and you know,
like you Marshall losing guys and dude's opting out and
all that, and there is no easy answer, although I
did like the nd is that Steve Sarkisian has the
no spring practice model, that he likes it, that he's
what is that?

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yeah, the issue with guys, you know, entering the portal
certainly off playoff teams, and they lost their number two quarterback.
The leak of their first playoff game is that you
can say, like, well, they should open why how can
they have free agency before the playoffs after the season, Well,
it's too late now, like the championship games, not until
January twentieth. That's probably past the deadline at most schools
for enrolling for spring semester, and there's a pressure on transfers.

(23:27):
I mean, I know for a fact there have been
guys who said, Hey, I want a transfer, but I
want to finish out the year here at my current
school and get my degree, and so the coaches would
be like, well, we're not interested, then we want you
here for spring football. So there's that that pressure there,
and so I think, you know Steve Sarkisian's suggestion of
we get rid of the traditional three weeks spring football
camp and replace it with the NFL Ota model, which

(23:51):
is after the draft, obviously that maybe that alleviates some
of that pressure. But as long as coaches, you know,
as long as it's the current calendar and the current setup, Yep,
it's just not realistic to ask kids, hey, whoa what
we got a playoff game this week? Wait until April,
Wait until the portal opens in April, then go. These
guys need to find their next school, which means taking

(24:14):
visits and get enrolled in January and go to class
so you can participate in springball.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, I love that idea, to be honest with you,
because I've never met a college football player that likes
spring football, but they're doing conditioning. They're doing stuff on
their own anyway like an NFL team does. And you
said something there that caught my attention, and I think
it is I know, we want to ignore the academic
side of things a lot of times, unless we're talking
about when you can enroll for your wait for it

(24:40):
online classes you're going to take. But like, yeah, if
you're a junior, or maybe you're a senior, but you
got a year of eligibility left, but you have one
more semester to go at the school that you chose initially,
and you want to go finish that semester so your
degree says University of Washington or again whatever it might say.
But now you can't do that because you'd said of

(25:01):
coaches being like, yeah, we'll just pass when move on
to the next guy, because there's six thousand people in
the portal. In a way, you go, I think that's
a brilliant idea. I don't know if it'll ever pass
or get traction, but I you know, hey, shout out
to sark Man. Good for him. I think it's that's
that's the first decent solution Steward that I've heard of
in this regard.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yeah, another one would be to say, but I don't
think they ever do that. President's ever stand for this
is because of what you just said about online classes. Yeah, okay,
both rebuel of the Penn State quarterback, Let's say he
I don't know where he's going. Let's just say he
transfers to Ohio State and he can do winter conditioning
and he can do springball while finishing his Penn State
degree online. Yeah, you know that's that's that's a possible scenario.

(25:41):
But now you're just like, yeah, we're not here for
ten anymore. This has to do with academics.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, I think that's We're kind of at that point
for a lot for a lot of people anyway, Okay, yeah,
you got football tomorrow, playoff football. Yeah, we got Bolgiars,
We've got playoff football. Indiana Notre This to me, what
a brill This is a great matchup. It's I mean,
those two in state schools playing each other at a
college in the first ever college football twelve team playoff
bracket is our Indiana Notre Dame. What are you expecting

(26:07):
in that game?

Speaker 6 (26:09):
I'm expecting it to be a rabid crowd because the
tickets are going for an obscene amount of money, But
I don't know who, how many I mean, how many
Indiana fans are going to be in that crowd. I
think that's and that's true at a lot of these games,
Like we just don't know. We're so excited to see
home playoff games, but I don't think it's gonna be
like a game during the season where it's all fans

(26:29):
of that team, and it's going to be There's gonna
be some Tennessee fans, for instance, in Eland, I know,
not I mean in Columbus. That's not what you asked.
Nowaday's got a great defense, and what we saw in
the Ohio State Indiana game was that that Indiana offense
that scored so many points this year, they just could
not handle the pressure from Ohio State. And I worry
that that same thing will happen to them in South Bend.

(26:52):
But India has got a pretty good defense too, so
it could be a low scoring game. And I think
the key for Indiana will be to hang in there
and not I mean, they made so many mistakes in
that Ohio State game that drop on snap and whatnot.
They're going to have to be much more you avoiding
those kind of turnovers and those mistakes to have a
shot in this game.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
There is a how do I want to say? Because
of the way the seating is, it's not necessarily reflective
one hundred percent of what the rankings would be. But
so there's a twelve five matchup Clemson Texas. Eight nine
matchup is Ohio State Tennessee. Eleven six is SMU Penn State.
We just talked about Indiana Notre Dame. That's a ten
to seven matchup. Of all of these games, what would

(27:33):
be the biggest upset that you could see taking place?

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (27:38):
I thought you Yeah, if you left off the last
part of I could I see this taking place? Pompton
over Texas would be a huge upset and a really
interesting one, But I don't see it happening. I give
SMU a shot at Penn State. They've got a really
good quarterback. If you look at the field, at the
quarterbacks in this playoffs, Dylan Gabriel's, you know, kind of
on his own. He's a highsman finalists not that strong

(28:00):
a field after that, not you know, a murderer's row quarterbacks.
And I think Kevin Jennings at SMU is probably one
of the top two or three, and so that gives
you a champ on the road. Also the fact that
they have an elite run defense. You know, that was
really what Penn State did so well against Oregon as
they popped the running backs, popics, closive plays, which was
frankly uncommon for Penn State this season. So SMU might

(28:22):
be able to rain that back in and then they've
got a shot.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
God for Penn State, I can't imagine the Big Ten
losing the game. That would just be devastating. Okay, hey, listen,
we got games all this weekend. That's the bottom line.
I'm excited, I think as much as me as a
Wazoo fan, and many of us right now are feeling
like like the it's us against the world and were
I hear people saying, Oh, I just can't stay in
college football anymore. Sure you can't. It's still sports porn.

(28:47):
You're not gonna admit to your watching it. But guess what,
you're watching it this weekend because you've got some really
good mates watching it. Everyone's watching everybody's watch Yeah, stop
saying that, don't do that. You're watching it, Stuart, great stuff.
We won't talk to you for a couple weeks, but
in the meantime, happy holidays do you and yours a
happy new Year as well. We love having you on
every week, tell folks about what you got going on

(29:08):
at the Athletic and also with the podcast.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, well we're doing the first of all, you can't
there's more playoff stories than anybody could possia and see
them on the Athletic right now, but give it a shot.
We've done that two episodes of the Audible this week.
We'll do another one Sunday morning after this round of
playoff games. So I mean, we're all over it. There's
no other way to say it. We've got writers that
every multiple writers every game this weekend and certainly as

(29:31):
we go through the playoff as well.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I say this, and I'm not saying this just to
patronize you or anything else, because you're on. I've said
this many times, the college football playoff at the Athletic
is flat out second to none. You guys do a
great job. I'm there every day checking it out. I
love it. I'm there every day despite what people think
about my heisman. But I'm still trying to study and
trying to learn and try to find stuff. Yeah, I'm

(29:55):
still trying to.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
Do you think I do you think you can make
it through the holidays? It's not getting aggregated. I've seen
I think off on posts about you this week.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
What was the other one? Was it the same thing?
Was it Heisman?

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (30:07):
No, you didn't see your your They called you out
about your comments about Jake dickerd oh good, which I
have to admit we're pretty colorful, so you know, keep
it up.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't even know
awful announcing knew who the hell I was, So that's
good to know. Yeah, how about that. Well that's good,
that's that's fun stuff. Uh, well, away we go. I'll
you know what, I'm gonna try to lay low for
a week. I think my friends at the other job
I work out with the hockey team here would probably
appreciate that. So I'm gonna I'm gonna lay low for

(30:36):
you for a while, Stewart and and not cause any
more trouble. Happy holidays you and yours. Happy New Year.
We'll talk to you a couple of weeks you guys. Thanks,
all right. That's Stuart Mandel joining us here on the
Beacon Plumbing Hotline. We'll come back wrap up hour number one.
Am McCoy is going to join us. Coming up at
one o'clock on nine three point three kJ FM from.

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Speaker 2 (31:13):
Sours is telling me it was that it might have
been SI dot com as the other one besides off
one Nelson.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
So oh, there we go. I just saw it on
the Twitter spear. I decided not to click because I
was present for your comments. I didn't need to read them.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Actually I want to. We'll say something about it at
one point thirty today after Amason Okay, pe Calugus, former Husky,
I think I'm pretty sure if I walk into what
is not the weight room, he was in a new
facility over at Washington and mont Lake. But I'm pretty
sure if I walked in over there at that particular facility,
in the weight room where the football players are, that
I would see Pete Calligus's name a lot. He was

(31:54):
a guy that set a ton of records in terms
of Strength during his time at the University of Washington.
Him were originally from Bellingham and he's now over at Wazoo.
He came over with Jake and a few years ago
and he is now taking over as the interim head coach.
He spoke after practice today about why he took this opportunity.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
The reason why I accepted this role is because the
one hundred and twenty young men, one hundred and twenty
souls that have ported in this program from January sixth
all the way to where we're at right now. And
I know we're not one hundred and twenty, but the
men that are here they deserve they deserve the best,
and they deserve someone to stand in the gap. Stand

(32:39):
the gap and let's go finish this sing the right way,
the way we know how to finish it.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Give me a helmet.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Give me I heard the right way. I'm like Ian,
we're getting this on the air.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Give me a helmet. Man, I can't walk right now.
I would give me a helmet.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I want to wow ram your head into something.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
I want to play that.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Actually we'll say it for later. We'll say that was
damn pete. Okay, one more. He was asked about his
reaction to Jake Dickert leaving.

Speaker 8 (33:10):
You know, I really appreciate you asking that question, but
I will not answer any any questions about coach Dickert.
That's because right now, our focus is on eight days
from now this team, and that's all. I'm going to
put my efforts on, nothing else. And like I told
these young men, I will not worry about me until
December twenty eighth because they deserve all of me.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Mare now I talk, I hear that the last part
play that A games. There's something that you guys. Listen,
listen to the end very carefully.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
You know, I really appreciate asking that question, but I
will not answer any any questions about coach Dickert. That's
because right now our focus is on eight days from
now this team, and that's all. I'm going to put
my efforts on, nothing else. And like I told these
young men, I will not worry about me until December
twenty eighth because they deserve all of me.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
So it's interesting because I'm not gonna about me until
December twenty eighth, after the bowl game, obviously, and and
and so forth. The the reason I asked you to
play that a game, because I want to make sure
I heard that right when he when he was when
Dickart left, there's a big thought that most of the
guys go with him. Calugus would go with him and
uh and move to to Wake Forest. When I heard

(34:20):
you when you played that first thing about why he
took the job, I didn't get that impression. But then
when you played that, he's like, I'll worry about me
on December twenty eight. Now he may just be talking.
I'll worry about what my next job is.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
It may not be with Dickart.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
It may be somewhere else, right, because who knows what's
going to.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Right, But like be interesting to see what he what
he ends up doing. If I'm the new coach, you
have to I think it's really hard to have absolutely
one hundred percent turnover in his staff and retain something
I don't have to ask. I'll text him a minute.
I don't know did Dobork or did did Jed Fish

(34:57):
keep like one or two guys?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Maybe I don't know that much.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
I know that after Leech's department departure to uh Mississippi State,
that we had a couple.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
A couple guys stuck stuck around. A couple of guys
were retained, but yeah, I don't know, It's it's an
interesting one. I like what Kalagas said though. Yeah, I
mean those kids do. See that's the thing when people
are screaming, yelling, and whether it be the Army game
with Marshall or whatever, these kids deserve it.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
There's you put your heart and soul into it, and
you're only going to be a college football player, not
gonna be an NFL player. Those guys probably want to
play one more game.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I am hearing a lot of guys that are in
the portal are also going to maybe still play in
the game if they're not committed. So that could be
a couple of things. One may a good time to
show my wares, right, I mean, you're getting good resume
piece or two I haven't gotten offer yet because remember
there's a lot of people in the portal. So we'll see.

(35:53):
Like yesterday, Dan mullen was there for UNLV. He wasn't coaching,
but he was there. So well, we'll talk to Anne
McCoy about that coming up now because I'm sure she's
going to want to have a coach in place sooner
than later and certainly before the bowl game, so she
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Casino dot com. That is the website. McCoy is the
athletic director at Washington State University. She joins us right
now on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. Hi, Ann, thanks for
coming on with us today. I appreciate it. Happy of course,
my pleasure. Happy holidays, Happy.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Holidays, Happy holidays to you.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I hope you got all your shopping done in the
last few days, because I think you might be busy
right now.

Speaker 9 (37:47):
I think you're right. I'm I'm trying to finish it
up in between a few different things. But yeah, online
shopping and midnight present wrapping is my friend right now.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
So, yeah, you come into the job a few months ago,
you all of a sudden have to replace your your
basketball coach. You hired David Riley and not last night,
notwithstanding seems to be a great hire. Here you go again.
The two most prominent programs in the in the athletic department,
men's basketball and football. You've you've had a busy tenure.

(38:18):
How's Anne McCoy doing right now? Because I know how
a lot of Cougar fans are doing. How are you
doing right now?

Speaker 9 (38:24):
I you know what I'm doing great, Like I'm trying
to keep perspective on you know that this too shall
pass relative to a lot of the transition and change.
And I think what I keep reminding myself and anyone
who will ask me or listen, is that you know,
just because there's some transition and some things going on,
it doesn't change everything that's great about Washington State and

(38:44):
Washington State athletics.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
And you know, I.

Speaker 9 (38:47):
Continue to keep my eye on the priority, which is
our student athletes to be honest and making the best
decisions I can and making sure they're well taken care of.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And I want to move forward as much as possible
in this conversation today. But here we are, twenty four
probably thirty hours after Jake Dicker departs to go to
Wake Forest, and there's anger by some there's every imaginable
negative emotion probably has crossed through the Washington States University

(39:18):
fan base. Alums, et cetera, supporters, boosters, A lot of
people were upset about the departure, the sudden departure, the
timing and all those things. Did it take you by
surprise because of the timing of it. It wasn't like
in the normal cycle of when you see these coaching changes.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
You know, I do believe you know that obviously there
weren't a ton of jobs open this season, and it
did seem that through the more traditional timing of that
that the jobs were filled. But I think in this business,
you never think that it's not going to happen, or
that the timing isn't right then and there, do you
know what I mean? So, I, you know, at the

(39:57):
end of the day, because it wasn't a job that
was you know, open, you know, really even before it
was filled, it seems, you know, I don't I don't
think so at this point, I don't think any of
it can take you by surprise or then you're caught unprepared.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It feels like it might have caught the players by surprise.
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 9 (40:19):
Oh? Boy, I don't know that I could speak for them.
I mean, I do feel like if I'm you know, uh,
kind of evaluating their their reaction and their sentiment. I
don't think they anticipated their head coach to leave before
we played in our bowl game. I think that's a
fair fair statement, you know, relative to you know, talking
about finishing strong and really you know, capping off you know,

(40:41):
a great season for these you know, seniors or even
the you know, the student athletes that might be leaving.
So I think that part of it. At the end
of the day, I think the timing is the most
unfortunate relative to them.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
The I think you were in there he spoke to
the team, correct, Jake did he did? Okay? What was
the general tone I guess that you had in that
in that meeting from the players.

Speaker 9 (41:07):
You know, it's a big room with a lot of
guys in there. I don't know, you know, I think
definitely some folks, you know, were surprised, which would always
be expected. I think it was out there a lot
on social media before that meeting occurred that morning, you know,
so I think a lot of them had a good
idea that it was coming. I think, you know, at
the end of the day, you know, as you know,

(41:28):
a lot of people are you know, kind of surmising
or talking about you know, these these players have been
through a lot over the last week or two, just
relative to feeling like they're in the middle of the
squirrel a little bit because of all of the changes
with the calendar and college athletics and football, and you know,
they have not navigated this before. You know, there's maybe
a couple of guys in there that have been through
a coaching transition before, but for the most part, you know,

(41:51):
it's it's brand new, and I don't know that they
know how to feel. And to your point with the fans,
I'm sure in that room there are people that were
upset and disappointed and others that you know are are
not broken hearted. You know, I think it's just the
nature of the beast.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
The decision to make Pete Calagus and we heard some
sound from in our last segment, to make Pete the
introim head coach. What went into that and why was
he the right person for the job?

Speaker 9 (42:15):
You know, honestly, he was the absolute first person that
popped into my mind relative to watching how much the
team respects him and being able to travel with them
and be more around them this year, getting to know
Pete a bit and just seeing how he you know,
how he conducts his business. I mean he is a
you know, a good human, a good soul. He prioritizes

(42:38):
the players above everything. You know, this is a man
that is not worried about himself right now. He's worried
about the players and finishing off the season and showing
them the respect that they deserve and doing whatever he
can to give them a great experience. And just you know,
he was the first person that popped into my mind
based upon all of his qualities as a coach and
a person. But when I, you know, had a chance

(43:00):
to talk with him and see if he would be
interested and willing to do it, the way he responded
one hundred percent confirmed that he was the right person.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Is he a candidate for the permanent job?

Speaker 9 (43:11):
I don't know, you know, I don't know if he
has interest in that that that group has done a
really nice job of focusing on the Bowl game and
worrying about themselves after that. So I couldn't say one
way or the other if he would have interest.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
A McCoy is the athletic director at Washington State University.
She's joining us right now on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline.
All right. Usually you always hear, you know, athletic directors
say hey, I've got a list. You know I've got
When you came in here, it was so soon you
were still introm I think when you had to hire
David Riley as your men's basketball coach. So maybe there
wasn't necessarily a list for that. But you know, since

(43:44):
you've been sitting in that seat on a permanent basis
over the last few months, you know your coach have
put together some solid success at Washington State and what
Jake had done. Did a McCoy have Do you have
a list that you've already had in the top desk
drawer that you pulled out or how does that process work?
Where does it all start as far as finding a
new head football coach.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
Yeah, I'll give you the disclaimer. I'll acknowledge I have
a list. If you promise not to ask me who's.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
On it, well, I know you're right. So you know what,
And I'll just say this because people will say, why
didn't you You're not going to tell me who you're
talking to anyway, so we're not gonna I'm not gonna
waste your time. You don't waste my time. We move on,
no problem.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
No problem, Yeah, no, I think you know, and even
to your point when Kyle Smith left, I mean the
benefit of having already been at Washington State University and
knowing that was a possibility. I think as an administrator
in college athletics, whether you're in the AD spot or
you're a sport administrator or just a senior admin in
a department, I think you have to have a list
for every head coaching position, you know, just so that

(44:44):
you're prepared and certainly you know, in the case of
your head football coach, arguably you know the most, if
not one of the most prominent positions in an athletic department.
Absolutely absolutely, there's a list and you know thought of
you know, in my mind you know some qualities and
some things. But it's been important for me to listen
to the players and you know, other staff here and

(45:06):
alums and other folks about you know, what will make
the best possible successful Canada be the right one for
Washington State.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I was just going to ask you that because I
know you know at times players, you know they're probably
a decent resource. Have you leaned on guys that you
know are going to be back next year. Have you
sounds like you have spoken to some people, maybe not
about specific names, but just about what they're looking for.

Speaker 9 (45:27):
Absolutely. Iqkbo, who are a sport administrator for football and myself,
had a chance to meet with our leadership council yesterday afternoon,
purposefully after they have a little bit of time, you know,
to this kind of process the news that they had
gotten that morning so was in the meeting with the
entire team, and then you know, the football had some
specific meetings with the guys, and then we met with

(45:47):
the leadership council, you know, to really lean on them
on what their role is, which is to be leaders,
you know, for their team. And a combination of guys
that will be back next year and some that won't
because they're out of eligibility, but you know they're the
ones that are the hard and soul of this program
and absolutely have And.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
What do you do do this on your own or
is there a consulting firm? We hear about that sometimes
what do we do in that regard?

Speaker 9 (46:15):
Yeah, And I think one thing I should mention too
is I was thinking more about your question at the players.
The great part is is that there are also been
players that have been stopping by to talk through after
they've had a chance to digest and process. So maybe
even ones not on the leadership council. But the only
reason I want to mention that is is you've got
so many people that are invested in the culture and
the foundation that they've worked so hard to build for

(46:35):
the program. And I think the only reason I want
to be sure and mention that is I think it'd
be easy to think, oh, you know, you have players
that have left, and you have some coaches that have left,
including the head coach, and you know, there is such
an amazing core and group here that have really worked
hard for the foundation of the program and they care
about it. You know, they care about the future of it.
So anyway, so sorry, so let's got back to your question.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Yeah, we will have this.

Speaker 9 (47:00):
I think it's important not only to use their expertise
to you know, vet and work through possible candidates and names,
but I think it also allows you know, the process
to have you know a little degree of separation relative
to you know, just personnel, you know, searches generally, and
you know, people wanting you know, to be able to

(47:21):
express interests or for us wanting to express interest, but
not having it be necessarily out in the public eye.
So but also the expertise, you know, to really go
through backgrounds and you know, potential fit. And so yes,
we're in the process of finalizing that. Today we had
gone through a few proposals and selected or in the
process of finalizing that selection. And yeah, we will use

(47:43):
a firm.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And what's your timing when do you want to have
somebody in place?

Speaker 9 (47:50):
Boy, if I thought I could do the best possible
you know, process and have it be as soon as possible,
I could give you a better answer. This is really
interesting timing with you know, our Bowl game, you know,
certainly you know, coming up and wanting the team and
the coaches to be able to focus on that and
not you know, kind of the noise of you know,

(48:12):
a new candidate or a new coach or you know,
whatever it might be. But also you know, a lot
of great coaching candidates are still going to be coaching
you know, their teams. And so I think that that
that's complicated because I I worry. So I don't have
a good answer on the timeline yet. I mean, I
think it's got to be soon, But you know, whether
soon is you know, a week or two based on

(48:35):
you know, everything else going on, or sooner or later.
I hate not being able to give you a good
answer on that, but I just I won't. I don't
want us to lose a great candidate because we're not
willing to spend a few extra days.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
You know? And that makes that makes sense? And I'm
going to present this to you, and I don't I hesitate,
but I think I think a lot of people have
the same question. You're going to do your due diligence.
You're talking about, you know, one of the if not
one of, if not the most important hires in the
in the athletic department. A seven figure contract more than

(49:10):
likely will be involved. There's a lot of things going
on and goes into this, as well as the players
everything else. How then can someone else, another school hire
somebody in the course of effectively forty eight hours. I
don't think they could have. Does that make sense?

Speaker 9 (49:27):
It does make sense?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I mean I just say it feels
as if I think people know where I'm getting at.
I'll take I'll table that for now.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
It just.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
If you're doing what you need to do to hire somebody,
you don't just make a zoom call and hire them
the next day. Is safe to say absolutely.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
I think it would be very atypical to do something
without a lot more time and energy or certainly interactions.
You know, I don't think I can't recall a head
coach that that we've ever hired.

Speaker 7 (50:00):
You're off of one interview.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Interesting, Okay, I am McCoy joining us here on the
Beacon Plumbing hotline. You guys can draw your own conclusions
to that listening right now. I want to know what
you're looking for from this standpoint, because, like anytime we
apply for a job, right like, if I, like, if
I were to apply for a job, they'd say, okay,
you know, what's your broadcast experience and what have you
done and things like that, and you know, and all

(50:23):
those things. For a head football coach at Washington State,
you're higher coming up. Do you have a sharpie out
that says it has to be someone with head coaching experience.
Are you open to someone that maybe is a coordinator,
an assistant head coach or something along those lines, or
do you want to have and do you need to
have someone who's been a head coach.

Speaker 9 (50:43):
You know, for me, first and foremost, somebody who wants
to be the head football coach at Washington State University
is extremely important to me, not just somebody that wants
to be a head football coach or wants to be
a head football coach at a different school than where
they're at now. You know, I think that's extremely important
to me that that they understand, you know, all of
the you know, positives and all of the and all

(51:05):
of the challenges you know that come with being because
it's at the end of the day, none of these
jobs are easy. They all have different challenges to them.
But I think it's a matter of whether the challenges
are you know, deal breakers, and I think they need
to come in understanding, you know, kind of a good
band and the ugly, because every job has them. I think
head coaching experience, particularly to be a head coach at

(51:26):
this level, I think, is you know, ideal. It's the
right candidate has that, but it's not a deal breaker
in my mind. I think there are a lot of
really great people who have the I think there are
a lot of great people that have head coaching experience
that aren't necessarily great head coaches and I think there
are a lot of people that don't have that experience
that are great head coaches, and so I think it's
important to kind of differentiate, you know, whether people have

(51:49):
the skills and abilities to be a head coach. And
in many cases that may come because they've been one,
but in some cases no, So long way of saying,
I think we're open, I think it's it's hard to
learn how to be a head coach if you don't
already have those skills and abilities, but you don't necessarily
have to have gotten them from being on the job.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It seems like nowadays more important it's just knowing how
to navigate the current landscape of college football, right like,
if you if you know, if you're a coordinator or
a position whatever, it might be an assistant coach with
a big program or a head coach with a smaller
I mean there's probably advantages both ways. Right if you're
a head coach with a smaller program, maybe you don't
have to navigate the same challenges that say Washington State
going into do Pac twelve has to. And but if

(52:28):
you know, if you are a position coach, safe to
say in right like, you've you know what it's like
with nil you know what it's like with the portal,
maybe more so.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
One hundred percent. And I think part of it is
not only knowing that, but also how to manage a staff,
you know. I think that's part of the intricate part
of being a head coach is that you know, at
the end of the day, if you're you know, a
position coach or a coordinator, you may be the hands
on person doing a lot of those things. But to
be a head coach you have to be able to,
you know, not only manage a team, but manage a

(52:57):
team of people you know that aren't your players. And
I think that's an important you know quality, and I
think you know and in feeling, you know, knowing how
Washington State is, but also just listening to our players.
I think somebody who you know isn't you know who's they?
They enjoy being here and they are. The relationships with
the players and the coaches and the community are important.

(53:19):
I mean, that's it's interesting that we hear that, whether
it's from a player, whether it's from you know, fans
or alums or whoever it might be. You know, the
relationship piece of being a Washington State Cougar is still alive.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
And well, I agree, I am mcquoy for a couple
of moments. How how many people in rough terms, whether
it be an agent or I don't know how that works.
I'm assuming it's an agent, But how many people have
reached out to you already?

Speaker 9 (53:46):
Oh my gosh, I I not being a smart alec.
I haven't had time to stop and count. To be honest,
I mean we're at you know, I would say, and
it's not just to me, I mean we have people
reaching out to a lot of different people and you know,
agents on multi people. But I would say, you know,
we're we're well over fifty or sixty probably if I
had to guesstimate, which just in the last twenty four.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Hours, whether whether it's you or you're talking to others
involved in the athletics department, do you feel like wow,
Like not only do we have a high volume, but
it's a quality group of people that have reached out.
Like are you excited about what what the prospects look like?

Speaker 9 (54:22):
One hundred percent? Yeah, very much, so very excited, you know,
And again it's at some point I think it's you know,
it's it's we're all in the muck a little bit
about kind of everything we've been going through that I
think we have to remind ourselves that people looking from
the outside in realize this is a pretty amazing place,
you know, that they want to be part of. And
so yeah, it's been a lot of really not just volume,

(54:45):
but a lot of high quality, well experienced candidates that
are excited about this position.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Final two things, and this is the fun stuff to finance,
is what's the support you're getting from upper campus. We'd
heard that coaches were told to take a pay cut
in the football staff year and not you know, I
don't know where the money is. Do you do you
feel like you can make a competitive offer, you know,
which would be you know, probably close to what Jake
was making before. But do you feel like you can

(55:11):
make a competitive offer do a new head coach and
a staff?

Speaker 7 (55:15):
I do?

Speaker 9 (55:16):
Yeah, I do. I think that. You know, we've worked
really hard over the last few months and really you know,
trying to shore up a lot of the pieces related
to the finances and the resources. We're in the process of,
you know, trying to reevaluate and retool some of those
projected decreases and and kind of work to move those

(55:38):
back in the other direction. And so I I, yes,
I do feel like we have the support.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
The one thing, you know, I think the.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
Board, the board in particular has been great.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Because I did hear this and tell me if this
is accurate. We were talking about this yesterday and our
around table with Alex and MK and going around. Is
our football program only allowed to are you guys at
the point where they can only have seventy nine scholarship
players moving ahead? Is that right? Is that accurate?

Speaker 9 (56:03):
No? It's not. I again right now, what we did
with all of the changes going forward into next years,
we gave each each sport a pool of money to
work with, and how they chose to divvy it up
was up to them. And so, you know, depending on
what football had for instate or out of state scholarships,
you know what they were looking at for Allston money

(56:25):
or potential other you know, allowable pieces that can go
into a scholarship. It really depended on, you know, how
they chose to divvy it up. And we talked about
initial numbers with all of the sports, and then you know,
coach Dickert and talking with Rob Schlager, you know who
does a phenomenal job as the GM and just others

(56:45):
on his staff talking about the pool needed. We ratcheted
that up a little bit, and so I would say
that every indication we got from football is that they
felt like they had the resources for scholarships that they
needed to feel the competitive team going perfect.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
And we took a lot of your time, but I
think it was an important conversation for Washington State fans
to hear from the athletic director today. As we now
move ahead and what you get back to work. You
sound like you have a few people to reach out
to and talk to over the next few days. But
we're confident it's going to be a great process and
excited to see who is the next one to come
in and sit in that head coach's office. So and

(57:22):
thank you so much for jumping on today. Happy holidays,
and we'll talk when this process is over. I appreciate that.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
YEA sounds great.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Well.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Happy holidays, Goose. That's a amacoy athletic director, watch the table,
take a break, come back kind of ache on what
she had to say there, especially certain part about timing.

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Speaker 2 (58:00):
We will talk some heavy Seahawks conversation coming up at
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spoke to the media tick out. They're still talking about
crowds and selling tickets.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
And all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, it seems to be a common bean this year.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
And it's like, I don't know, it's just I think
it's because it's new here.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, you know, we don't see that.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
For so long, this was the fan base that went
and traveled and infiltrated and took over other stadiums. Yes,
and now it's happening here. But you know, there's there's
a lot of things in sports that you can't control,
but one thing you can control, because this is your
goal every week is winning. Like I mean, obviously you

(58:47):
can't one hundred percent control, but that's what you try
to do. You win every week. When you win, you
don't have these issues because you're not three and five
at home, which they are they're a worse road home
team than road team. You're not sub five hundred at
home since the fans came back into the stands in
twenty twenty one after the pandemic, you're sub five hundred
in the field. So you're asking yourself, well, well, why, like,

(59:11):
why are fans selling their tickets? I don't like it,
but it's not my money. It's not my tickets. I
don't know. I'm not season ticke olver. I'd rather they didn't,
but I'd rather than not. You don't use it as
an investment, But I understand two things. One how damn
expensive it is. I understand that your money is your tickets.
You do with what you want. But here's the here's
the deal. If you were winning, not a problem, you

(59:34):
would still most people that bought those season tickets are
probably still want to use them them selves and go
right now. They're like, do I want to go watch
this team get their teeth kicked in or play an
uninspiring benefit.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah, there's there's the commute, there's the parking, there's the everything.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It's not easy to go to a game here.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
No, it's not easy to go downtown Seattle.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I mean, I think that all the time. When you know,
when I was covering the team daily, it was or
you know, on going to every game, I'd drive down
First Avenue South. I'll look around and see, you know,
ninety dollars, one hundred dollars for parking. And you know,
we're fortunate to have media parking. And I thought to myself, Man,
when I come to a game as a fan to
and no, I don't want to pay a hundred bucks
to park.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
There's been games at all three of those stadiums that
I was offered last minute tickets to, and I'm like,
I kind of need to plan for this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I need more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
I know, I'll just shoot down after work. That's not
that's not how it works for anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
You can do it. You can park less expensively. This
is crazy, less parking spots, smaller stadium I get it.
But you can do it less expensively for climate plagerina,
you know, oh yeah, street parking is like if you
buy the street parking stuff, it's with thirty five bucks
or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Also, like there's an app that I use called spot hero. Yeah,
and you know last minute you can usually get one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, so you can do that. So I mean, that's
that's out there. So I just bring that up for
that reason, because you've got because you can, you know, like, yeah,
if you're a fan, you know Gino and and everybody else,
guess go win, just win, win at home. Reached down.
I'll take care of that will help a lot, Believe me,
it'll help a ton. All right. Just to wrap up

(01:01:03):
Amacoy's comments real quick, I asked about the timing because
that's when whoever it is awful announcing or others that
you know, they want to write about me yelling and
screaming yesterday. If people want to write about that, here's why.
Because I knew what this guy had done. He did

(01:01:23):
it last year too, when we joked about the questions
when I'd asked, hey, are you coming back? You know,
what's your commitment to Wazoo? And he go, you know
you asked me that every time, and we joke about that, right,
he remember last year when I did it. I remember
where I did it. I was in the Cincinnati airport
and I asked him about it because there were rumors
that during the bye week after they started four and oh,
that he went out and talked to Michigan State. That
was the rumor, and he you know, no, I'm committed,

(01:01:44):
blah blah blah, all these things. Well, then they went
and lost what the next seven games in a row
or where the hell it was? I mean, they just
won this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Sleep Yeah, in the top fifteen in the country depending
on the poll going into that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
This year, they go into the month of November and
they've got one loss to a great team and Boys State,
and then they lose his double digit favorites to three
slappies to New Mexico, Oregon State, and Wyoming. Now we
know now that the offensive coordinator was talking the whole
time to Oklahoma. He wasn't engaged, He wasn't finishing the job.

(01:02:16):
He wasn't doing as we heard from Pete Calugus earlier,
he wasn't doing those kids right. But you know what,
neither was Jake Dickard. Wake Forest had been working on
for months a succession plan to their former coach. So
when we got down to it and they finally got
to the process, don't think for a second Dickard hadn't

(01:02:39):
already talked about those guys. He didn't just make a
decision as you just heard from amacoy in twelve hours.
So when people wonder, like, why are people upset with
Jake Dickard taking a power for job doing all this,
that's why if they would have gone, if they would
have won those three games, finished the year eleven to one,
and he takes that job. Fine, man, you know what,

(01:03:00):
you were still fully engaged. You did us right, you
made you earned your two point seven million dollars. You
took a better job. Move on. You weren't engaged, just
like last year. You were. You had one foot out
the door. You weren't taking care of those kids. You
weren't taking care of the program, you weren't overseeing it.
You weren't finishing your job. That's why I was upset.
And I don't want to talk about this guy anymore,

(01:03:21):
like former athletic directors, I didn't want to say his
name anymore. I just want to be done with it
and move on. But I think it's important because a
McCoy was pretty part of the pun koy about that.
But if you listen to her answer carefully and how
I asked it. I walked out there, Andrews was laughing.
He's like, nicely, she told you, she told you okay, uh,

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Corbyn's going to join we got When we come back,
we'll do a little daily power play. Do we have
sound from the newest member of the Seattle Cracking did
bent and send that by each oi?

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
I have not seen it yet, but there a nice
little muh a commercial break that I can check. I
don't have it, but I pop out for a second
in the commercial part if he has.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
If not, that's fine because they got a new player,
obviously huge for Seattle. Ron Franst has shaking things up
and this was I'm sure it was hard to trade
a Will Borgan in a sense of guy was an
original member of the team, came here from Buffalo and
in the expansion broadcast had been just an absolute warrior,
like just like played hard FORESLN calls him belligerent Bill

(01:04:25):
will Borgan. I he was fantastic for this team, but
he had an expiring contract at the end of the year.
Probably weren't going to resign him. Josh Mhura has been
playing well when he's had to fill in and slot
in for guys being hurt like Vince done another. So
they could do that. They could make a move and
they take a chance on a guy. We'll talk about
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for the first time in his career. He was outspoken
about it, a little more subdued. Today he spoke to
the media here in Seattle, kind of an introductory, quick
introductory press conference. First thing we asked that he was
asked that I think is interesting for him leaving the Rangers,
leaving New York the pressure cooker for a team that's
fading fast and all that. Is this a fresh start?

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. I mean, uh, I think
this year there's been some some good, good games and
then then kind of bad games. So also and I
mean it's a new new chance for me. I played
there for a long time, just a one team.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah, I'm happy to be here. And then that's what
I'm thinking. Also, that's uh, We'll get back to that
in a second. Let's get one more SoundBite from him.
What does he bring to the table.

Speaker 10 (01:09:28):
I mean, I think I'm I'm good Indian ozone. That's
that's my game over there, you know, make place, try
to score some score some goals. But I think good
Indie in the zone. Also like kind of two way player.
I think that's my game right now and try to
bring it over here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
He he. He was a number two overall pick two
years before. Matty Beniers is a number two overall pick.
He hasn't lived up statistically to those to that draft status. Frankly,
neither has matt Beeneers Mattie Beniers outside of his rookie year.
But there's a reason. And we make fun of the
POTO all the time, but you know, he does say
things that it makes sense every now and then. And

(01:10:04):
I remember he said this before. It's true in baseball,
but I think you can bring this to hockey too.
There's a reason guys are picked in the first round.
There's a reason guys are selected high. Doesn't mean they're
going to develop where you think they are, doesn't mean
they're going to get to the point where you know
they're projected always. But I think it was the Poto
was saying, like I remember having this conversation a couple

(01:10:26):
years ago with him. He's like, yeah, they brought somebody
in here who was a high pick and say, yeah,
take a flyer on him. Seahawks can do the same thing.
Doesn't always work, but maybe he fails out, you know,
it doesn't work out somewhere else. There was a reason,
there was a skill set that people were selected where
they were, And for Cocko, I think in his case,
it shakes up the locker room. He needed to get
out of New York. New York needed him to get out.

(01:10:49):
Morgan was going to be traded at some point this
year anyway, with the expiring contract, and he can go
help a team solidify a blue line they lost Jacob, true,
but he can kind of fill that role a little bit,
and it's probably a win win. Does he turn out
to be as good as a second overall draft pick COCKO,
I don't know. We're gonna see to night. They go
to Chicago, and I believe he's on the line with

(01:11:10):
Benier's and Jared mccannon, who have both been scuffling, so
to speak. That's a sports term, jest, scuffling.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Scuffling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Never heard scuffling is a sports term.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Yeah, I guess scuffling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
But they that's that's I think it's a great trade
because and not because it could you know, it's a
great trade because they needed to move will they pick
up a guy that has upside If it doesn't work out,
you were going to move on from Willborg In anyway.
The draft picks I'm not concerned with because their system
is so filled with young guys right now that they

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and they had an abundance of draft picks. I don't
care about that. So I think it's just a good
it's a win win. If he proves to be a
good player and starts to reach his offensive potential or
makes Vendeers better, mccan better, then it's a massive home run.
If not, no big deal. He took a shot to
our flyer. Yeah, but I love the the other thing
I like about this, and I do like this about
the organization. They do not stand pat Now. Is Dan

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Bile's gonna be a great coach? Is he a better
coach than Hackstall? Well, the or around the team is better.
But we don't know. But we do know this. They
felt like it wasn't working, and so before a guy's
contract extension kicked in, they're still paying him. They said, hell,
we'll just pay two coaches for the next three years.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
They don't care. They want to win, and they do
not sit around idly. And this is a great example
of just that. Okay, five o'clock pregame five point thirty,
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Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Oh that is correct, Yes, okay, yes, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
No, I'm the one that should be sorry because I
didn't you know, double check Broncos Chargers tonight. Is that
game five four to thirty pre game five point fifteen
Broncos Chargers sneaky good game? NFC West or AFC West
huh sneaky good game.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
It is mantee.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Do you know have two We have two games on Saturday.
By the way, Texans, Chiefs, Steelers Ravens are playing on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
It is kind of odd that they do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Now, now I believe, let me double check that is
because all four of those teams are their switching opponents.
They're playing on Christmas, ah so they get the extra day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Well that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah. And then of course the Seahawks are playing the Bears.
Those two teams don't get an extra day. They play
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Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
E and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Corbyn Smith joins us normally at one pm on Thursdays,
but we had Washington State Athletic director at McCoy could
do one o'clock today and that was kind of the
time she had slotted in, So Corbyn was kind enough
to make the move to two pm this afternoon. Hello, sir,
how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
I'm good And just so you know, I think it's
more than fine for me to be pushed back.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
I've been as important as the ad for Washing State. Ever,
what's happened this week?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Yeah, yes, yes, that's true. This is a normal times
it wouldn't be such a such an urgent thing to
get her on. But yeah, that was It's a little
bit different over the last twenty four hours that what's
going on there? Okay, Corbyn, let me let me start
with this first. We'll kind of work our way around everything.
But as we've watched Seahawk team throughout the season, and

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we've watched a team that has played the fourteen games
out of seventeen three left to go, what are they are?
They are they just part of the NFL's middle class.
And what I mean by that is, I mean, if
we look kind of by conference. The two teams playing
tonight probably fit that category. In the AFC, the Broncos

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and the Chargers. You could probably throw the Colts in there.
I think it kind of drops off in the AFC.
But in the NFC, I think there's a middle class.
I think it's Washington, Tampa, La, Seattle. Maybe you could
throw the Cardinals or the Rams or the forty nine
ers in there, But is that just who Seattle is.
They're a middle class team this year, probably not any
type of threat in the postseason, but that's just who

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they are.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
That's what you have to call them until they can
prove they can beat one of the NFC's elite. I mean,
when we talked last week, I had optimism they were
gonna be able to give Green Bay a really good game,
and obviously that did not play out as I thought
it was going to. Green Bay came in and physically
dominated that game the first quarter, and I felt like
the defense really started to play like we thought they

(01:17:08):
were capable of the last three quarters. But it continues
to be the biggest issue is on offense.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
They just cannot get.

Speaker 7 (01:17:15):
The points on the board that you would expect a
team with the talent that this team has at the
skill positions to be able to do. And to me,
that's the biggest thing that is holding them back from
being anything more than a middle class team that could
still win the NFC West, because it feels like that
division is just full of middle class teams. But I
don't know that they're a team that can do much

(01:17:36):
in the playoffs if you can't get the offense going
and playing to their potential, and it feels like they've
regressed as the season has gone on, not the other
way around.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
The main place to point to, obviously is the offensive line.
And I brought this up to Mike Homberan yesterday because
I just I looked this up the other day and
I think it's maybe it might have been softy or
so some one had talked about that. You know, they
have invested draft capital in terms of numbers volume on

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the offensive line, Corbin, since John Schneider got here in
twenty ten. It's not like they ignore the offensive line.
They draft guys pretty much every year, and usually multiple
offensive linemen if they have, you know, not three draft
picks like the one year. But it's quality. We talk
about this in the Hockey World all the time. You
can have a high volume, but do you have a
quality You have quality chances, high danger chances. You can

(01:18:29):
take fifty shots on goal, but they're all from the
blue line. You're probably not going to score. You can
draft a hundred offensive lineman, but they've got to be good.
Russell Kohn had one Pro Bowl appearance drafted in twenty ten,
Pro Bowl appearance in twenty twelve. He had another one
with the Chargers, but only one with Seattle Corbett. He's
the only Seahawk offensive lineman drafted by John Schneider that

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has had even a not talking all pro, just one
Pro Bowl appearance. What must they do? How can they
change that because they're not drafting the right guys.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
I don't know if there's anything that can be done
with the current regime, with how long this has been
going on. And look, this is a topic that I
discussed earlier this week coming out of the game on Sunday.
It's ironic that John Schneider comes from Green Bay because
there's not a team in the NFL, in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
That does a better job of drafting.

Speaker 7 (01:19:28):
And developing offensive linemen without investing high draft picks.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Than the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 7 (01:19:34):
I mean, John Schneider still uses a very similar philosophy
in terms of spending money and draft capital on offensive linemen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
The difference is green Bay brings.

Speaker 7 (01:19:45):
In guys like Rashid Walker and Zach Tom two years
ago as mid to later on picks and turns them
into quality starters.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Within two years.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
Seattle drafts guys that are Senior Bowls standouts in the
third round and they can't get them to be quality starters.
So it boils down to the organization. Seems like they're
not able to scout properly. And I think you got
to look at the development from the coaching staff standpoint,
like at some point you've got to look at the
people like Scott Huff and like, why are we not

(01:20:15):
seeing improvement from these players? And so I don't know
how much of it goes on Schnyder. I don't know
how much of it goes on the coaching staff. They've
had a lot of turnover with offensive line coaches over
the years. But I mean this has been going on
since John Schneider first got here.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
You mentioned, so I don't know. I don't know what
he can do.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
Necessarily without completely revisiting his scouting process and taking a
look at the coaching staff again and just trying to
keep moving things to you start getting better results, because
it has been it's been a chronic problem.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Well and you mentioned it. It's it's not like they've
had the same offensive line coach forever, because I mean
we go Cable, Solari, Dickerson, Huff. I mean that's four
just in the last what seven years, right, So it's
it's yep. I mean they've they've they've burned through offensive
line coaches like the Mariners burned through hitting coaches, and
guess what, neither one of them is very very good

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in terms of the end results. So yeah, I don't
know if it's a tough problem, but I think it's
inherent in the organization and what they're seeing. And you're right,
like Christian Haynes, he was supposed to start right like
everyone and their brother thought this guy was a steal
and when they got him and a Day two pick,
and he was a great seat like you mentioned, good
Senior Bowl and everything else.

Speaker 7 (01:21:27):
Ian, he's a good football player. I mean you watch
the tape and you see what he did at the
Senior Bowl. So at some point, you get to say,
what is going on in this team system that is
preventing these guys from playing well?

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Is it on the coaches?

Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
Is there something in the culture that is impacting offensive line.
I don't know what it is, but they have drafted
some quality offensive line prospect and they just haven't gotten
the results. So you have to start looking in the
mirror if you're the front office and the coach extent,
like why is this not getting better?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Let's talk about regression of the offense. You made mention
that a minute ago, and I want to go back
to that in a set right now. What offensive line
is the easy answer? We just talked about that at nauseum.
Everyone and the markets talked about it. We all know
that the offensive line is one of the two or
three worst probably in the NFL. But outside of the
offensive line, why do you think this offense has regressed?

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What are you seeing?

Speaker 7 (01:22:24):
I don't want to sound like I'm putting a big
chunk of the blame pie on the first year offensive coordinator,
but that's what is going to come across that ass.
I think right now Ryan Grubb is having some significant
issues adapting to the NFL, and I'll just give you
one play. That interception that Gino Smith threw in the
red zone on Sunday night when it happened live, I thought,

(01:22:48):
man that that two receivers there seems like they were
so close together. You watch the replay, you had three routes,
a bunch of formation on that side. You had three
routes that were all really close together, and you're already
in confined space. Diino Smith made the right read there.
Noah stant was open. The problem is that Tyler Lockett

(01:23:10):
was so close that it made it easy for that
corner to be able to come off of his guy
and go make a play. And then you had three
straight shotgun snaps that you passed the ball like. They
either refused to run the ball in the red zone
or I was looking up these stats right now. Ian,
you want to know what the average yard per carry
for ten Walker is since week eight in the red zone?

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Oh god, zero.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Negative point zero eight.

Speaker 7 (01:23:38):
He's got one yard on twelve carries in the red
zone since week eight. That Sharbonne is looking pretty fine
with a one point eight yards from arry efforts. They
got twenty seven carries for twenty eight yards between the
two of them in the red zone since Week eight
and the first seven games this team was tense in
a red zone touchdown percentage. Since then, they're last, And

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everybody's going to point the thinker a Gino Smith. But
I just don't think that the coaching staff is giving
him any support. I mean, the route concepts are not good.
The receivers are tight together, they're making the reads difficult.
They can't run the ball or they're not willing to.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Run the ball in the red zone.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
I mean, you want to know how bad this team
has been since Week eight. I did all this charging
about forty five minutes ago. They've got a forty five
percent touchdown rate in the red zone since Week eight.
They have a thirty percent turnover rate in that time.
So they've almost got as many turnovers as red zone
touchdowns since Week eight. And that's not just Geno that's

(01:24:43):
getting stuffed on turnovers on downs, that's having a center step.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
On your quarterback. I mean, you name it. They have
found all kinds of ways to hurt themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
But I feel like Ryan Grubb has been a big
part of that because it just doesn't seem like he
is adapting to what he needs. Schematically, this is not
the Pac twelve anymore, and I think you have a
really hard time with that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
In the red zone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I'm gonna throw this at you because you extrapolated some
numbers from from segments, and I think it's important to
do that, that coaches do that, we should teams go
through segments of the year. They you know, they used
to be four four to four four, but now obviously
with the seventeen games, I'm sure there's a five in
there somewhere, but I don't bring that up for this reason. Overall,
their red zone percentage this season, overall, they are twenty

(01:25:27):
fourth in the league at fifty two point seven eight percent.
That is overall, that is almost exactly what they were
for the twenty twenty three season. Corman. This is the
other one last year in goal to goal percentage, so
first in goal percentage, goal to goal percentage. Last season
they were twentieth in the NFL. They've regressed there as well.

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They are twenty ninth at just fifty seven point one percent.
You just talked about that, and they can't run there.
Gino thows red zone interceptions, et cetera, et cetera. They've
actually they're a worse team in the red zone this
year than they were a year ago, right.

Speaker 7 (01:26:06):
And it's just crazy when you look at the players
that they have. I think the offensive line is part
of it, but good play calling can mitigate offensive line
issues and I don't feel like right now, I'll be honest,
just the lack of under center plays and how often
they getting shotguns spread out, And like I hear the arguments, well,

(01:26:28):
if they do that, then it forces the defense to
get guys out of the box. It's like, yeah, but
teams can send four against five and get to the
quarterback in less than a second.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Yeah, So like it.

Speaker 7 (01:26:38):
To me, it just seems like they're not doing what
they need to do schematically to really maximize the personnel
that they have right now. And it is especially showing
up in the red zone. And this is a big
enough sample. We're talking seven games, seven full games, and
I just think there's a big enough sample not at
this point, like you gotta start looking in the mirror
if you're Ryan Grubb, like, hey, you got three games

(01:27:02):
here to prove that you could start making some of
these adjustments.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
Or you might be looking at a.

Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
One and done because this team's defense has played well
enough to be a team that should be a threat
in the playoffs, but the offense cannot get up to speed.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
And to me, that is falling mostly on the play caller.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Right now, well, the uh I means you're you're getting
under center more. You're channeling your inner, our good friend,
our inner Mike Homrean, by the way, who is U
Who's who's been preaching that since he was coaching these days?
And we talked a little bit about that with Hu
millon the other day too. A hardcore football all right, Uh,

(01:27:38):
Minnesota comes in here, They're just they're a wagon man.
Oh he I mean, with all the injuries to Detroit,
this might be the second best team in the NFC
behind Philadelphia right now, right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
They might be the best team in the NFC.

Speaker 7 (01:27:53):
I mean, this is this is a team that's been
consistently winning. I mean they've had some close calls, but
they've won enoughber of games, games convincingly, and they do
think differently than Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
I mean they on offense, they kind of.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
Embraced dam Darnold's chunk play aggressiveness and they've they've they've
taken him off the reins off just a little bit,
so to speak. He's not playing quite as care freezing
to earn in his career, but they are trying to
ximize his ability to be able to make those throws
downfield and get those chunk plays. And they have the
weapons on the outside and a tight end with Hockinson

(01:28:29):
now back to be able to do that. They're just
efficient enough with their run game that they can get
the play action going. And Kevin O'Connell, he's a disciple
of Sean McVay. They run a ton of play action
and they're very, very good at it. And then the
defensive side of the football. You know, I was laughing
at DK Metcalf's response yesterday because in the press conference

(01:28:49):
he was saying, Oh, they don't blitch much.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
They blitched forty eight percent of the time, the most
in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
They definitely Wait, wait time, Dk, have we watched any
tape yet when you threw that out there, Come on now.

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
I mean they that's hey, look that's coming from multiple
sources here too that have charted this.

Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
So and I've watched enough tape on these guys.

Speaker 7 (01:29:11):
I know Brian Flores, he loves to send linebackers, he
loves to send corners.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
He loves to.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
Send safeties, particularly the linebackers. I think Blake Cashman has
blitzed one hundred and twenty times this year. I mean,
they love to send their guys from the second level.
They run stim pressures, like DK said, but they blitch.
I mean they like to send an extra rusher or two,
and they do it all the time, and they are
very good at it. I mean, this is the number

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one rushing defense for EPA per play. They are one
of the best passing defenses. They've got the most interceptions
in the NFL. They just disrupt opposing offenses. So you know,
that doesn't seem like a great matchup for Seattle's offensive line,
But you better have a quick passing game, which has
been something to this team quite frankly, they have not

(01:29:58):
leaned on when.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
They needed to in a lot of these games.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
What's the latest injury wise, because it doesn't sound like
they're going to be all that healthy at running back.
Maybe for the Sea Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:30:10):
Yeah, we'll see on Zach Sharbonay's front, and maybe this
is the week that Walker ends up coming back.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
Today's injury report is going to be really important on
that front. I think getting Walker.

Speaker 7 (01:30:21):
Back for this game would be big with his athletic trades,
but the way Sharbonets ran the last two weeks between
the tackles especially.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
You know, you'd like to have all hands on deck.

Speaker 7 (01:30:32):
I'm hoping that that's a case where they're trying to
just rest him up because he's getting a lot of
carries the last few weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
But yeah, man, that'd be a.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
Huge if they were down to Kenny McIntosh and George Hallani, which,
by the way, Halani will have to be put on
the fifteen min roster because he's out of practice squad elevations,
so that would create another issue trying to figure out
how to fill your running back quota as well.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
So they've got a lot of things to stake there.
If those two guys can't go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Well, yeah, because if that if that's the case, I
don't I don't think. I don't think they want to
get rid of mackintosh. I wouldn't have said that a
few weeks ago, but we've seen bursts from him, right,
So they might be looking at a situation with four
running backs on the roster on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
Yeah, I would think that's what they would have to do,
because again, I mean, they do have Britton Brown on
the practice squad. I think Kilani is the better player
of the two, and the Seahawks like him. The problem is, again,
he's exhausted his three game day elevations, so they would
have to make a roster move. Now, maybe that's Brady
Russell going on injured reserve. He's had a foot issue
that's been bothering for more than a month. Maybe they

(01:31:33):
do that and then they can just plug Halani onto
the roster. But they're gonna have some choices to make
there if one or both of those bats ends up
missing this game. If they miss, if they're out both
of them, I think it's gonna be incredibly difficult to
have a shot to win this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
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that the defense gave up a touchdown, touchdown, field goal,
field goal punt, and then the field go in the
first half against the Packers. Where was that good Seahawk
defense we saw the last few weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
Well, I think Ernest Jones summed it up correctly, because
when I was watching the film in that first half,
especially in the first quarter, it seemed like they were
doing a lot of last second shifting, especially with their linebackers,
and they were shifting themselves out linement, and the Packers
were getting blockers on safeties and on linebackers, and they
were creating big plays.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
And when the run game got going, they could not
rush the passer.

Speaker 7 (01:32:31):
Jordan Love had a excellent pocket to work with. They
were able to start getting some pressure on him in
the second half, but to me, it was just there
was too much going on free snap and guys were
ending up in position where they were ended up playing
out of position, and the Packers were making them pay
for that. They were much more statics, so to speak,

(01:32:52):
A get statics maybe not the right word, but they
did a better job of getting themselves set up not
too late in the process in the second half, and
you started to see the defense we saw the four
weeks before, and they gave the Seahawks a chance if
the offense could have done anything to get back in
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Final thing, Forty Corbyn, is there any chance that the
Seahawks are able to get help elsewhere the next two weeks.
Any chance Aaron Rodgers, the dysfunctional Jets beat the Rams
or the Cardinals beat the Rams, people are gonna laugh.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
But I mean, you saw how Aaron Rodgers played last week.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
Aaron Rodgers, I think, is trying to prove to some people, hey,
I can still be the guy here next year with
all the talk about him going.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
And by the way, the Rams.

Speaker 7 (01:33:35):
Lost a couple of years ago to a bad Jets team,
and I think that one was in La so there's
actually past president for this. So I don't know that
the Rams necessarily are guaranteed to win that game. I
think they obviously are the favorite, but I think the
Jets could make that one kind of interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
And the Cardinals are who they played the next week.

Speaker 7 (01:33:54):
And the Cardinals have actually had a lot of success
against the Rams the last couple of years, more so.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Than they've had obviously to see. So couldn't they get help?

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
Yes, but the Rams have been playing pretty good football
up till last Thursday, where that game both teams looked
absolutely terrible and the Rams were just a little bit
better to get the win.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Corbyn, our Christmas present to you is we give you
next Thursday off because we're off next Thursday, all right,
so we will, we will, We will give you that
day off. I believe a least. I'm not working. Are
you working, Jess, You're not working.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
I will be bouncing between New York and then Massachusetts,
back to New York and then out to San Diego
for the holiday one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Well, you just flex all you want, but I will
be working.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
The Seahawks do play next Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
That's right, exactly exactly, so you you enjoy that game
and we'll talk to you a couple of weeks time,
my friend. Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:34:43):
It sounds good. Thank guys.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Happy holidays. Corbyn Smith, SI SI dot com. This is
a great podcast. You can check it out. Do some
work with our buddy Rob rang with s I and
SI dot com and mostly locked onto Seahawks as well.

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