Furness Show 12-3: Coach Holmgren Nominated for HOF, Jon Ryan and Cougar Roundtable

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Choose chill on this Kracking ticket Tuesday. Yeah, we're giving
away Cracking tickets today all day long. Hey, best news
you're gonna hear today. I think we all agree upon this.
Mike Holmbren has been officially nominated and whittled down to
a finalist for the twenty twenty five Hall of Fame class.
We'll get to all of that coming up in just

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a couple of minutes. And John Ryan, who played for
Mike a couple places, is going to join us here
at not Tumble you only played a point one place.
He'll he'll join us coming up at twelve twenty Today,
we've got a short show today. We're on until two o'clock.
Softy and Fine. We're chomping at the bit to get
on the air. They wanted to get a couple hours.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
In so they can't stand to be gone, Yeah, they can't.

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They just wanted to be on. They wanted to work today.
So we're on until two Cracking taking on the Hurricanes
in Carolina at three point thirty pre game four o'clock
puck drop right here in your home with the Kraken
ninety three point three kJ FM. There are some moves
being made. We'll get to that in a little bit
as well. Pretty significant step by Dan Bilsma today, like

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this guy is not standing around and staying pat all right.
We should also mention that you'd basketball as an action.
Tonight they take on Ucla. We'll have that game for
you here in KJR right after the Kraken game and
postgame is over. They're in Ucla to take on a
Bruins team that is also six and one, but they
are in the top ten in the net rankings. That
would be a massive win for Danny Sprinkle's Washington team

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to start out Big ten play. Kug Basketball had won yesterday.
They beat Nevada in sixty eight to fifty seven Isaiah
Watts West Seattle seventeen points, four rebounds, one assist. That
is a monster win, by the way for Seattle. What
do I mean by that? That's art for Seattle. For
the Kougs, that's a quad one win on the road. Huge,
It's huge, huge for them. Cannot overstate that right now.

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If you're going to be a at large team later on
and have a chance to get to the tournament. And
as yesterday, the Cougar football team without any coordinators. Now,
Jake Dickerd announced that he'd fired Jef Schmidding, and then
Ben Arbuckle also officially gone as well on his way
to Oklahoma. We'll talk about that at one o'clock today
with MK and Alex. Let's start the show.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
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Speaker 4 (02:10):
Being able to go into the Hall of Fame, it's
it's really an honor.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
And one thing that's cool too, is you still got
the mustache after all these years, still rocking it?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, and I trim mine a little more than Andy
Reid does.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, exactly, my adopted son.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Why, I know you're used to be press conference as
being the head coach, But are you nervous about the
speech coming out?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Have you started writing it yet or no?

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do I have to give a speech?

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I don't even I think so I probably do.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I might wing it though. Every time I've gone to
any sort of banquet, I always think they people talk
a little too long. So I'm going to be short
and to the point.

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Welcome in on a Tuesday, a Cracking ticket Tuesday. Jess
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Yeah, just get the people, you know, like someone haven't
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coming up in a little bit. So that's one thing
we're doing today. The other thing we're doing today is
we're gonna we're gonna make sure we talk a lot
about Mike Holme Grint and rightfully so Mike Home Grint
today gets down to the finalist and I'm gonna explain

(04:09):
in a second, we'll get some sound from Mike Sandal
probably at twelve forty five, I think is when we're
gonna try to play that as well, because the process
is very different this season. But and I don't want
to get ahead of ourselves. I was driving in today
to come in and grab some gear. I'm actually doing
the show today at our Crack and Hockey Network studios
out in Eastgate, So we're out here today getting ready

(04:31):
for the game tonight. And I was driving in this
morning listening to Chuck and Bucky and Andrews. Have you
noticed Andrews, by the way, on a side note, is
just kind of just kind of just ditches us at
the very drop.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Of a hat being player.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I don't know what that means. All I know is
there is there is a distinct lack of loyalty from
Andrews Anderson Hurst. That's fine.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
I do notice the affinity of the morning show house
for him, but I think it's well deserved.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Whatever he uh he was. I heard those guys this
morning in CHECKSA, we got big breaking news, big breaking news.
I'm like, what is it?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's a great tease. I'm stick of teases. And we
had to, you know, listen to Everett for like five minutes,
and I'm like, okay, I know what's going on with
the crack and I'm good. I want to know what
this breaking news is. And then and I hear Chuck
say it's long overdue, and I'm like, oh, what the hell?
What the hell? And they mentions that Mike Holmgren is
is there and is on the cusp. He is the

(05:28):
coaching finalist. So I'll just kind of figure I'll let
you guys know what this means. He's the coaching finalist
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's class at twenty
twenty five. There's all He's part of what they call
now the seniors category. Sterling Sharp, Maxie Bond a linebacker,
Jim Tyre, a big offensive tackle. We're also named finalist
as well. One of those Tyr he died in a

(05:51):
murder suicide of his wife in nineteen eighty and they
still have him on the list. I cannot see how
that's going to happen, by the way. And also there's
a contributors category the finalists. Co founder Ralph Hay the
owner of the Kenton Bulldogs. He basically helped form the
American Professional Associate Football Association, which was the precursor to
the NFL. Robert Kraft snubbed again. He is snubbed again,

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but Homegrun beat out among others Mike Shanahan, and I
think most of us thought all along that Mike Shanahan
was going to be the biggest, really the biggest calm
competition for Mike. So here's how it works. In the
basic is this the five finalists we've been voted on
Next year, right around the Super Bowl by the full

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committee of fifty Hall of Fame voters. Eighty percent of
the votes are needed for induction. Of the five finalists,
a maximum of three will be inducted. According to the
new rules this season, if none of the five reached
the eighty percent threshold, then the top vote getter would
still get in among those people. So what are the chances.

(06:56):
I think really good. And I'll be honest with you.
I'm sitting there, all of us at KJR today are
pumping our fists and we're feeling like it's a good
day to celebrate. And I hope Seahawk fans are feeling
the same way. Jess. I think they are.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I don't see how they couldn't be.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I believe that. For us, it's been very almost
almost say it's personal because we've all got to know
Mike over the last handful of years, and you know,
he jokes about he said last week we were talking
about with Thanksgiving and he said, you know, and it
kind of got to me. He said, you know, I'm
thankful for you guys, because I was just kind of
looking for something to do after his football crew was over. Basically,

(07:36):
Kathy wanted him out of the house, but he he was.
He was like, I'm looking for something to do, and
we probably benefited from the fact that we weren't the
flagship station. He could be honest, he could say what
he wants.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
And I was on the other side of that, and
you're damn right, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Mean, and I'm like, there. I thought for sure he
would go work across the street and do that, but
we did not try. I know you tried. I know
you guys tried over there, but you know, give Purple
Sheet and our staff I think it was Robert Dove
at the time, was our GM and Mark and everybody
they talked to. Mike and Softie had a great relationship

(08:18):
with him, among others, and he said he wants to
do it with us, and man, has it been great.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
He is absolutely a wonderful human I think.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Getting to know him on a weekly basis caused a
lot of us to really have this emotional edge about
the Hall of Fame. And I think a lot of
it is because I know the quality human being he is.
The work that him and Kathy do behind the scenes
for charity work, missionary work and things like that is unreal.

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But on the field, his resume speaks for itself. We'll
get to that with John in a minute. Ryan, but
getting to know the human being, and I think what
it would mean to him a former school team. You're
a backup quarterback briefly in the NFL that Joe Namath
and the Jets, but you know, got into school teaching,
high school coaching, and then truly, I mean truly worked

(09:12):
his way up. I think a lot of people don't
know the story Mike. Mike started with the most humble
beginnings in coaching. Yeah, and when you're teaching making no money,
when you're coaching high school making no money, and then
you're a low level assistant in college. He's not Mormon,
but he worked at BYU. That is a all kidding aside,
a massive challenge. But he worked for the great level

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Edwards and I'm gonna I can't wait for Mike to
be with us tomorrow to talk about all this. I
think working for Leavell was massive for him. He worked
with from with Leavell and Bill Walsh, later Seaffert and
then went to Green Bay, won a Super Bowl, went
to another one, came to Seattle, went to a Super Bowl.
Obviously we should have won that one, but got stolen. Nevertheless,

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he took two franchises that were just not good, like
not good at all, Jess, and he turned them around.
And I think that's the amazing thing. And Mike Sando
should get a lot of credit for this, because Mike
is the one pushing for He's on the committee. He's
one of those fifty guys. He's been pushing for. Mike,

(10:17):
Him and I got into it famously two years ago,
when you know, Holmgron got snubbed, and I was pissed
because Mike got snubbed for the wrong reasons, not because
Mike didn't do a great job pushing him, not because
the others weren't sort of deserving. I just thought Mike
at the time was more deserving. I thought we had
a couple made for TV events with coaches with Jimmy
Johnson and Bill Cower and Softie and I have both.

(10:39):
Softy's got the numbers still and it's written down to
his hands.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
I know.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I've talked about it a number of times. Mike's resume
is better than both, but he wasn't doing national TV
and that's where they announced those things and all that.
Mike has handled it with a lot more class and
dignity than any of us have that are rooting him on.
I know that for a fact.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well he didn't even know.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I wanna. I'm gonna tell that story in a second. Yeah,
but he he uh, he's handled a lot better than
than like a lot of us have. Like anytime he
gets snubbed, guys like Softy and I will lose our
mind on social media and on the air and just
you know, go bananas. But I know that, I know this.
He's the only coach compared to the other people in
that class. I think, I think it's a done deal.

(11:24):
Until it is done, we won't count our, but it
feels like it's a done deal. Shanahan was the guy,
but Mike did a great job. Sandal a couple weeks ago,
we talked about this on our show. Two weeks ago.
Sandal broke down the you know, like kind of the
candidacy of many of these coaches. Holme Grin has the
highest percentage of winning seasons as a head coach of

(11:46):
anybody not in the Hall of Fame. And you know,
his is eighty percent of the seasons he coached where
he was in the playoffs. Mike Shanahan was fifty percent.
It's even close, much less a Super Bowl title, much
less developing. Brett Farr, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Matt Hasselbeck,
all into. Three of those guys are our Hall of famers.
One of those guys was also a pro bowler. He

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deserves to be in. He deserves to be in, and
he will get in this year. And it's awesome. And
Seahawks fans, you should be thrilled for him because he
set the standard for what this franchise is today, what
Pete Carroll has done, and what Mike McDonald has done.
Mike Holmgren set the bar high. He's the one that

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got this thing hummed. We'll talk about that. John Ryan
played for him. I know he wants to talk about it.
Coming up next.

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John Ryan, former Seahawk punter, joined us right now as
weekly visit on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. Hello, sir, how
are you?

Speaker 5 (13:20):
I'm doing great yourself.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'm good. You know what I was thinking of your Sunday.
There'll be some good stuff to have a conversation with
with John, with the special teams, fiascos and seeing with
Dixon got hurt and what you do at that point,
all those different things that I want to kind of
get some insight on, and we'll do that in a minute.
But I want to start here because you played for
the man and he is the coaching finalist for the

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Hall of Fame. I don't want to I mentioned this
to Jess last segment. John, I don't want to count
our you know, our our our chickens before their hatch.
But it feels that this is the year that Mike
Holmgrin finally gets into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I'll just open it up for you. Thoughts on my Ike,
playing for Mike and his candidacy as a Hall of
Fame coach.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
You know, I think he has to get in. He's
made such a huge impact on multiple football franchises in
Green Bay and Seattle and then later on in Cleveland
where I am right now. Actually, but he's just a
phenomenal coach. I unfortunately only had him for one season.
I came in week two, but just to see what
he's done and just the man that he is and everything,

(14:24):
I think there's no one that's more deserving than him.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
What was it about Mike? He played for a whole
bunch of coaches along the way. What was it about
Mike that made him different than some others.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
I think he had a lot of trust in his players,
you know, the trade, the players really in a way
kind of ran those teams. I felt like, you know,
he really liked his older veterans on the team. Uh,
those guys really really took over the team and kind
of made it their own. And he was just an
intense guy you know, I still remember running off the
field after a bad punt and zig zagging, just trying
to get away from him because if he locked eyes
with you, you felt you were gonna crumble with the knee. Said,

(14:58):
he was just such a big, intense man, and uh,
he was just he was. He was a lot of
fun to play with, even though you know we weren't
very good that year, it was he was a good
guy to play for.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
He he cracks me up because watching when when Mike
was like getting to know him now when he comes
in he does weekly visits with our show on Wednesdays
and with Softy on Thursdays in the morning show on
on Mondays. He's such a just like this big teddy bear,
this gentle human. But we I covered him, We all
covered him. We hear stories from you and and or
Mad or other guys. There are definitely two sides of

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Mike Holmbrin, aren't there.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
You know? I think that as you know, you've seen
him now and I remember seeing him for the first
time about four or five years after he retired, and
just he's just the guy's just a big teddy bear.
Now you know, he's a soft spoken guy, and you
know you kind of you saw that that that Mike
on the on the sideline, we're just here intensity and
just that that fire in his eyes that burned ur
in games. Uh. And then you see him off the

(15:53):
field and he was just he was just a gentle,
gentle giant. I mean, the guy was just a great
guy to be around, just just a guys. Kind of
it felt to me, maybe because I was younger than
kind of felt like he was like almost a grandfather
figure to me. It was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Did you play it all with Sterling Sharp? Or was
he gone by then?

Speaker 5 (16:08):
By the time he got there, he was he was
gone by then.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, I'm aging you. As I said, I looked down
at this when you finish. I'm aging it quite a bit.
John Ryan joining us here. What the hell are you
doing in Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (16:18):
By the way, I own the one of the owners
of the Lake County Captains High the affiliate of the
Cleveland Guardians, and today we just unveiled our new season five,
new uniforms and new marking. So I was out here
to do the press conference here.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Okay, So that that franchise the Pickles to two baseball
teams you're part of, or is there more than that.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Two right now.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, I gotta ask this is I'm going totally sideways
for a second because I wann get back to football
and Seahawks and what happened on Sunday minute. Have you
seen the stories that Manford's talking about this golden hitter
thing or whatever, where you can pick a guy out
of the lineup late in the game and have a
like almost a designated hitter. Have you seen that stuff?

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely have seen the Golden Battle rule
that they've been thrown around the owners meetings right now
about how you can put one player into a game
whenever you want at a hitting position, which is I'm
a big believer in tweaking the game, but I love
the game of baseball and I don't think it needs
an overhaul. I think I like to see rules and
the game play tweaked here and there that like they

(17:17):
have been doing a lot of for the last three
or four years. But to make a you know, a
banana baseball type rule, yeah, in the league, it seems
a little a little silly to me.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, But like I just funny because you say that.
I just got an email from the Mariners or team
mobile that you know, the Savannah Bananas are coming here
this year playing a game, I think a team mobile
at some point. They're basically the Harlem Grope Thrutters of baseball.
People haven't seen them.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah, you do that?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Hell, I don't. Would you guys even do that with
an independent team like the Pickles like that, that league
doing a like it just seems so odd, Like it's
just a I'm all for change. Sometimes change can be good,
but sometimes I think change for change his sake is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
You know, we we have an exhibition game once a
year where we just kind of make up rules and
I kind of have fun with it. Run the bases backwards,
the you have a golden ball rule where everything you do,
everything you do with the ball was you know, times
that by fourth d hit a single at the home
run and you have a home run. Counters ridiculously to
that in an exhibition fun game. But to take that
to an MLB level, it just it seems a little
hacky to me.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
John Ryan joining us here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline.
All right, you've been in special teams meetings for your
entire career you've gone through. This basically is your show
today because of what happened on Sunday. Let me go
through a couple of things. One, I'm gonna get to
the fumbles and the coverage and all that in a second.

(18:35):
You see Michael Dixon. He's hurt, he's got back spasms,
and I can't imagine anything worse in athletics. I mean,
there might be, but trying to punt a football with
a backspasm would be probably nearly impossible. They didn't have
to do it again. They did get lucky there, But
what do you think they're doing at that point? Are
they just hoping that thing goes away?

Speaker 5 (19:00):
But you know, there can't be too many worst things
as a punter to have backs thousands. I mean, that's
high up on the list of things you don't want
to hit right before you punt a football. And I
know I've seen Jason Myers punt the football having been
there with the offset with them, and we're very lucky.
We just have to see that on Sunday because it
wouldn't It would not have been good.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So what would be the hardest parts? But was what
was the hardest part for him? Actual punting or catching.
And I mean to me, it's like, I don't think
people understand You've got to catch a ball that snapped,
you're not used to doing that, and you've got a
rush coming on you've got to get off. I mean,
what would be the hardest part? Because I'm sure if
you just put like you said, okay, so he's not
even good at that. I don't know if Housku was

(19:38):
any good at or anything like that, but but if
he's not even good at punting, that's probably the least
of your worries, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
It is?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
You know, the rhythm of it is the biggest thing.
You know. You can You can throw almost any kicker
football or any punter or a ball and have them
kicking or punted whatever their normal strength is not, and
they can get it done on a practice field and
there's no rush, no anything. When you have a ball
coming back to you, takes more point seven seconds football
to come back to you, sometimes touching your fingers, to
have to touch your toe or your foot, you have
but one point two five seconds and that's all you got.

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And a guy that's not used to that to have
to rush that A lot of things can go wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Would you be better off having a quarterback quick kick
it like pooch kick it?

Speaker 5 (20:19):
You might, you might, but you know, I think definitely
Jason would have the best leg in that situation. He's
probably you know, practiced enough in his youth that he
could get it done. But it's not a situation you
want to get into, especially it's playing in a place
like met Life where it's a little tough to punt.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I was just gonna ask so like in that situation,
because you know, in college, I think when people forget that,
Like in college football, there's always a back there. Like
even even when you're traveling sixty five or sixty three,
whatever you travel for college, you always have a backup.
You get a backup ticker, punter, and you might just
bring one and maybe you can do both whatever it is.
You got a backup. In the NFL, you don't have
that luxury. You only have two guys on the roster
in Hell Seattle, they don't even have competition most of

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the time. I think the last one was with you
and Dixon when he got he got hired drafted, so
would Myers. Ever, during the course of a week practice
punting at all, and would Dixon. Well, I know the
answer to Dixon because I saw him try to take
some kicks. I'll get to that in a second in
Dallas when Janikowski blew up his hamstring right before the half.
But would would Myers ever practice that during the course

(21:16):
of a week.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think he'd be pretty rare. I don't know if
it wouldn't definitely wouldn't be every week. I need that,
you know, I would take a few field goals maybe
once a month. You know, it's such a different motion
that you know it starts bothering different parts of the body.
It's not something you need to blow out something on
practicing that comes up so rarely. So my guess is
probably once a month he might hit a few balls,
but nothing more than that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, so it would not have been good, is what
you're saying. If Myers had to punt, it would not
have been a good thing.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Right, No, it would not have been good.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I did tell believe it that you're I think it was.
So was Dixon's rookie year at right after you left
here and we're in Dallas for a playoff game, and
and see Bass who you knew, well, he went out
and they tried to field goal at the end of
the half in this playoff game down in Dallas at
Jerry's World John, and it was like it was forever,

(22:06):
like I got sixty something yards and you know, Sebastian
was the end of his career and literally his hamstring
exploded like it was done, Like he just in and
he limped off the field and they like after like
a minute, Dixon comes out and he was trying to
take you know, like extra point attempts and that was
still when the extra point was short and stuff like that.
And that dude from down under it you could tell

(22:27):
he had never kicked a football in his life. Yeah,
like the guy the kids on ESPN on Saturday Morning
with Pat McAfee that do it for one hundred grand,
like they're better than it was. I'm like, there's no way.
And I think Russ tried a couple actually at one point,
like Russ what came out and was holding for like
it was just it was like this is an unmitigame
and it actually cost him the game. If you remember
they they lost by like like four or eight point

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it was it cost them the game. I don't know
if Dixon's practice since that time, but yeah, it was.
It was not a pretty sight. I'm thinking, man, this
this old soccer player could go down there and probably do.
He just never kicked football before, like ever, John, I'm assuming,
I'm assuming he's tried that now, but.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
I'm sure on Heroes football with a lot of these
Australians grow up playing, it's all punting. There's no, there's no,
it's not like rugby, but there's a ball on the
ground and you kick it or like kicking in football.
So they've never kicked the ball from that position before.
And the second thing that's actually more scary when your
kicker goes down is usually now you're going with a
new kicker and a new holder because the holder he
is usually a punters. Now you switch in two positions

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instead of just one. So let's even a scarier situation.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
In my opinion, I was gonna ask you that like
Russ was the backup holder to you right for the
most part.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Uh, Well, That's what I thought until it actually happened
in the game, and I think Chris Chris Marrages came
in and.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Held all the safety so I got I have my one.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Big chance in the NFL to score a point after
a decade plus. The ball snapped back to Maragos. Uh,
he drops it, he picks it up, he throws it.
A guy in front of Tennessee grabs it and goes
down way for six. So one opportunity to get a
field goal in the NFL went for six points the
other way.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Thanks, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Actually should I guess.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It should have been? I think Brady, Actually, now I
think of it, Brady Russell the backup, the third string
tight end is is he was holding. He held in
preseason a little bit, and you know why he did it.
It was self preservation. We had him on the radio
just members this one. We had him on the radio
like so I'm holding in a prack. I go he goes, yeah, man,
I'm gonna be the backup holder. I'm gonna do whatever
they can. I'm gonna make this Dand I remember that. Yeah,
He's like, I'm gonna make this roster man. He's like,
I'm the backup holder. Gino want Gino wanted no part

(24:31):
of it, and Sam Howe probably didn't either, And he says,
I'll do it like he kind of volunteered a lot,
because that's who would have held on on on Saturday,
on Sunday Sunday. Yeah, that's who would have held on
Sunday for a kick That wouldn't have been a problem
because he he did it in the preseason. Tell me
about the coverage. Everyone's upset. They cut Laviscus Chanalt because
of the two fumbles and h Dee Williams had another one.

(24:51):
He's had a bunch this year, punt returns and kick returns.
I mean, so they cut Chinalt kind of making a statement.
You're you're a guy that's been a number one kick returner.
The fumbles that happens football, and it's just I understand
why they cut them. They're kind of making a statement. John.
The issue I had with them was the field position
they gave up on returns. Not only was there a
you know, a kickoff for a touchdown they gave up

(25:12):
and they gave up two others that were on the
plus side of the thirty. I mean, it was it
was the coverage was awful. Who's to blame for that?
And I guess maybe it's personnel, But that's a schematic thing,
isn't it. Whether it be a and I know the
kickoff rules are different now but whether it's a kickoff
coverage or punt coverage, you sat in those meetings. That's
all schematic, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
A big part of it is I think there's usually
you got to watch back on film to see what
who screwed up or what scheme screwed up, because there's
you know, there's usually more than a one one finger
to a point when the kind of situation happens. But
when I was watching it, it looked it looked very bad.
You know, they were just they were running the ball
the forty like it was nothing. Butich Now with these
new kickoff Royals, seems like it should be a bit
of a rarity, and you know, and obviously the the

(25:56):
fumbles were a bad look and costly. I always thought
this year kind of one of our strength was the
special teams, and now it looked pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
On Sunday, Yeah, I mean Dixon's it is funny. Yeah,
they were killing Dixon two weeks ago about his tough year,
and he put like five inside the twenty that day,
and I'm like, I'm not sure what you're what you
guys are talking to me. It's a coverage issue, and
sometimes it's personnel and that that gets along. I'm assuming
they'll spend some time on that this week. John Ryan
joining us, Well, lo and behold this, your former team

(26:25):
has sat has found its way into a first play
spot with five games left to go. How surprised are you.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
I'm a little surprised. It's because you know, as I say,
I'm a stand now, so you know I'm riding the
roller coaster. If for anyone else, you know, three it
did not look good. And even even in the second
quarter or last game, you know they're going into score
a throw that Brett Farv makes to Wilson in the
corner there ninety nine times on one hundred misses them
that would have been twenty seven and the game is

(26:54):
pretty much over. And then the very next play comes
back to twenty one to thirteen changed the game. We
didn't look great again, but you know, as I always say,
they'll call a win ugly. But you know that one
wasn't very cute once again, So we'll find a ways
to get it done. And I think that's what good
teams do. A team you rely on that all the time.
I don't think so. But I'm happy with seven to
five right now.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Is that a mindset on the sideline, and because I
was thinking the same thing. It's it's weird how one
play can change a game. I always bring up Chuck Knox,
the old great Seaw coach, used to say, you know,
every football game is determined by three plays. I could
probably point to to two of those three plays being
in that sequence. Like you said, Aaron Rodgers misses a
wide open Garrett Wilson and then he throws a pick six.
Those are two of the plays right there. But on

(27:37):
the sideline, how much of it is a mindset that, hey,
we're not out of it.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
I think it is definitely mindset. You know when you
when your team and you battle in these ugly games
and you find a way to win. On the sideline,
you're just like, we're just gonna keep on grinding and
find a way to win. And on the New York sideline,
I could definitely see when you, you know, we throw
a pick six when we should have been up twenty
one to seven, guys all of a sudden start saying
here we go again. You know, you kind of have
that ment that lose. There's mentality on the other side
when you used to get winning or you have been

(28:03):
winning you kind of adopt that and then tell you like,
we'd just keep on grinding. Who knows's gonna happen. And
that's what I've kind of seen these last three weeks.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, and that Meanwhile, the team that used to be
able to do that to other teams is called the
San Francisco forty nine ers, and they're they're they're in trouble.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
It's it's, I know, your heartbreaks for the Niners down there,
all the injuries and all the fact that they're saw
there falling apart seven losses. It's I'm sure your heart
breaks as your Seahawks fan.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Now, Oh it's so it's so so hard on my
heart to see them play terrible.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Uh, it's you know, couldn't happen to.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
A better group of guys and a better city, better team.
So I definitely feel them for the four of you.
I say this with you know, tongue in cheek could
have been such a great robbery for that for all
those years. I know they would speak the same way
if the Seattle's to the Huks were losing them. So
it does do my heart well to see them struggle
a little bit, all.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Right, buddy, listen. I appreciate. Yeah, stay warm in Cleveland.
I'm sure it's nice and balmy there, but you're from
Saskatchewan so it's probably nothing for you. But stay warm
back there, all right.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Just remember living in California, so I saw so this
is this is terrible.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
For me, I know, hanging there in their buddy that's
John Ryan. We'll talk to you next week, man, Thank you.
You might have lost John. I appreciate John coming on
this week. Good stuff there. Yeah, that was an interesting thing,
just depending on what would have happened there with with
the kicking situation, that could have been really really interesting.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, things get sticky out there.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, and I did you know, It's funny because when
I did see people on social media and and you know, like, oh,
what's gonna happen? Who's gonna hold as a geno? Is
at Sam Howell? Who is it? I'm like, no, man,
Brady Russell Man, that dude.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
I remember him vividly. He had the long hair. He
sat down with us out at the Virginia Mason.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
I think that was I think that was the day
that we saw him doing that with special teams, like yeah,
you're holding for kicks now, and I think he did.
I'm pretty sure he did it in a preseason game.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
I have to go back and listen to that interview
because he said something. It was like play did not
get fired, or play for a job. Like he had
a very specific phrase it was.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
He used, you know, make it so they can't cut you.
I think something like that, so they can't cut you.
And that's kind of what he did. And but it's
good because, like like John said, that would have been
the issue because.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know when when they pay myself uncuttable, that's.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
What, Yeah, I make myself uncuttable. Yeah, because that's that's
John's right, Like punter gets hurt in the NFL, ninety
nine percent of the time, the punter is the holder
in fact. And I don't want to get into it
with him because we love John. But that was the
that was the big thing when they when they signed
Dixon because Sea Bass was still here, and if you remember,
Sea Bass was not happy. He's like, man, I don't
want to he was not happy about some guy from

(30:30):
down under holding who had never and Dixon didn't hold
in college. Remember that Dixon didn't hold, He never was
a holder in college. And so they they had to
transition him to do that, and Ryan was perfect at it,
like John was perfect holding the ball for Haushka and
then obviously for Myers h Lindo the one year I
think too, so like he was really good my and
and But you know, having a backup do it when

(30:52):
they do special teams, when they come out for special teams,
it's basically right before practice and they're doing all those
things or even in a drill. The quarterbacks aren't involved
with that. So it is probably wise to have somebody
who's not a quarterback in the case of you know,
the NFL, because how often he really gonna fake it? Hell,
the one time they faked it John through a touchdown pass.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh my gosh, remember the faith he made.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, it was awesome. But but they do have Russell,
so that's good. The problem would have been punting, and
I was wondering about if I was wondering if Jason
Myers could punt, And according to John Ryan, that's something
we don't ever want to see happen. So very good.
That was very honest, very honest. All right, we'll take
a break. We'll come back more on Mike Holmgrin on
the verge of getting to the Hall of Fame. Coming up.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
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Speaker 2 (31:53):
All right, we uh do our cook ground table at
one o'clock today. It's gonna get heated, man, I can
tell you that right now, it's gonna get heat. It
is going to get heated with everything going on in
college sports. But before we get to that, Mike Holmgren
finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He is
the sole coaching finalist as well. Mike Standal a week

(32:13):
and a how well, eight days ago we had him
on his weekly visits every Monday, and Mike's part of
that committee, part of the fifty people, and I kind
of we talked to him about the process itself when
we get to this point and what it looks like,
and he starts by talking about who's on that committee.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
It is mostly media, but they have added some Hall
of famers, so we have James Lofton and you know,
former Great wide receiver Dan Fouts, former Great quarterback Bill
Pollian Hall of Fame GM would be three, so they've
they've diversified it a little.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Bit that way.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Then we have the mint so that that's on the main.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
Committee of let's just say roughly fifty people, and then
there's different subcommittees. I'm on the coach of subcommittee that's
nine people, and then there's a senior subcommittee and there's
a contributor subcommittee. Those groups meet separately, like we just
had our Coach's subcommittee meeting last week where Mike Holmgren
and Tom Kofflin and Mike Shanahan. There's about I think

(33:11):
maybe about nine coaches were discussed and we voted them
down to one that will then be fed into the
main Hall of Fame meeting for approval or not. And
so the same thing happened with the Seniors committee. They'll
put three players forward from that have been retired to
these twenty five years, and then the contributor one, which
is where you know owners and others could be in,

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will have one candidate as well. So those three seniors,
the coach and the coach and the contributor will go
into the pool with the modern era players and actually
have to compete against them. Starting this year, that's a
little bit different. They used to kind of be in
their own lanes, so it's going to be harder to
get people in. They've changed the process. I think there

(33:56):
was a feeling that maybe one or two extra guys
were getting in each year, that maybe the bar needed
to be raised a little bit. That's just my perception
of it, and so they have made it tougher. I
think we're gonna have fewer people get in. Instead of
just you know, five modern era guys getting in every year,
I think it'll be more.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Like four a lot of the years. What's the max
that can get in.

Speaker 7 (34:21):
I believe it's between eight. I think it's four to
eight that can get in now. So but like you know,
let's just say if Mike Holmgren were to go as
the coach, which I don't know the results of that.
By the way, we voted down to one, but I
don't know the results. They would anounce it on December third,
But then he has to get a certain percentage of
votes in combination with, you know, to beat out other

(34:43):
people to make it. That's different. That used to be
that someone like a Homegron would get in there and
he just needed a yes eighty percent yes votes, and
he would go in. But now he has to compete
more like with with other people. They have to choose
him over others, and so that raises the bar. It's
going to be interesting to see how it works.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So yeah, So like a Mike Holmgren or Mike Shanahan
or whoever, the coach that comes out of that is
he's competing with Luke Keigley and Earl Thomas and others
this year.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Yes, in a in a different sense than before.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's not a done deal by any stretch of the
imagination as far as getting into the Hall of Fame.
But as Mike explained, Mike's Mike Holmgren is in, is
in a good situation, in good shape along the way.
All right, listen, we'll take a break, we'll come back.
We're gonna check in next with the Cool Ground Table,
usually at two o'clock on Tuesdays, but today it's at
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be pert. It's it's close.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Well, we know what should happen.

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It's very close. This was a big, big step along
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Speaker 1 (37:12):
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(37:34):
It's the Cougar round Table. Now here's Ian Furness. All right,
welcome back in here we go. It is time for
our coup ground table, last one of the regular season.
We will commence again either next week or the week after.
Guys for bold conversation and kind of put a ball
on everything. And first and foremost Alex MKA. I want
to thank you guys. Man, we've Alex, you and I

(37:54):
have been doing this for a long time. Like we've
been doing this for a while now. It started back
some guy named Jaed Collins. He changed his name.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I can't pronounce it, Jedediah, whatever the hell it is now,
you know, big time wheeling and dealing financial dude, and
and uh you know we kicked him to the curb
and upgraded with m K.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I love you, Jet, but uh, Alex, we do this
for a long time. And I gotta tell you.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
First, remember when I used to do it from the
streets of Montreal.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
That's why we know we started this when when Alex
was still playing, he was in the cfl Uh bonjour
yah to me? How we do it out there? How
was your friend? How was your friends up there? Brink?

Speaker 4 (38:34):
How was it super average? But that is all that
matters up there. You just got to make the effort, just.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Making it bravy.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
What is the gravy fries?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, hey, MK, if you had poutine, wouldn't look like
you do right now? You look like me. You look
like me a six pack. Well, I say this with
all love because you guys have been doing this for
a while now, and I love promoting your im really
talking about your businesses. It's really cool to see guys
I watch play and literally, I think a lot of

(39:05):
fans watch kind of grow up and now successful in
your businesses and your professional and personal life. Sin It's
been awesome to watch the growth and Alex, Yeah, we've
been doing this for a while, man, and I can't
thank you enough. You got to you get pulled in
a lot of directions, I know every year and MK's
got like eighteen jobs and businesses and flying across the country.
So we appreciate you guys coming on every week. I
do thank you about that. I both and I got

(39:27):
to say this. Everyone's got everyone's got the comedic lines
today Alex Brink at what eight forty this morning? What
are we even going to talk about mks? We're logging on.
What are we going to talk about? Okay, you guys
are funny. All right, let's get to it. I don't
know where we want to start. Maybe we'll start and
I'm gonna just in full transparency tell people how we do.

(39:49):
Is we tape these in the morning, just based on
everyone's schedule, we tape this in the morning. I'm hoping
by right now when people are listening, they nothing else
has happened, like I'm hoping. I'm hoping that you know,
our friend John Mattier hasn't left if he is or
not going to leave yet, So but we know yesterday

(40:10):
was a day of change. But let me take a
step back and just some quick thoughts to summarize. I
guess Saturday and just the last three weeks. Alex will
start with you.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Well, really disappointing him and this team had everything going
for it obviously, you know, and then stumbled down the stretch.
And you know, they're not the first college football team
to do that. They're not the first, you know, coup
team to do that. But I think in this season,
with all that was on the line, and you know
what they were able to accomplish early in the season.
He just felt like, you know, there was so much

(40:43):
opportunity and the way certainly the college football Playoffs has
played out there was right, And so I think there's
kind of that level of disappointment. But you know, for
for Washington State, they have an opportunity, you know, to
go get go, get the bowl game.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
They need to.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Figure out what this whole situation with the offensive defense,
the coordinator, all the recruiting nil. I mean, there's a
lot that's gonna happen in the next month. And I
encourage you know, watch the State fans with all the
frustration they have. You know, you got to stay in it.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Yeah, and this is honestly, this is one of the
biggest implosions I've seen it in a program. Right, you
have somebody that a team that's done so well, and
you've got the whole nation almost behind you as you're
starting to move up, where it's a Cinderella story that
could have happened, right, that that should have happened or
at least gotten a lot closer. But these games that
they're they're losing, these are like must win games that

(41:31):
should have been won. Right, then you got to think
to yourself, like, is there a distraction? And now that
we see it, you know, Schmedding was on the chopping
block ben Arbuckle, you know he was the whole time
he's saying he's here, he's with Dicker, and then all
of a sudden we find out for weeks he's been
working to deal with you know, Oklahoma, It's like, how
much of that to not score in the second half
of Wyoming? It's like, you know, were you completely invested

(41:52):
in the team? So are you checked out?

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Right?

Speaker 8 (41:54):
So all these things we're thinking about, it's like, what
happened the wheels completely fell off?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, yeah, let me pick it up there for a second.
I just coaches move. It's a transient business, and and
players now move, and that's become a transient business as well.
I just believe, truly, and this isn't just a ben
Arbuckle thing is this isn't all.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
This is just it.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I believe there's a right way and a wrong way
to do things. And we've all changed jobs, we've all moved,
we've all done different things along the way. Some jobs
are unique and they're different. College football coaching falls into
that category. In my opinion. And when you are overseeing
a program as a coordinator specifically and especially as a coordinator,

(42:41):
you know, and you basically an MK. You can back
me on this. As a coordinator that you had Rob, right,
you had aky Man and and DoBeS and stuff like that.
But when you're overseeing that program, I think you have
a responsibility. And I mean, I just my son just
wrapped up his college football career. He had three position
coaches in four years. Tough. But you know what when

(43:02):
they left the one guy, the one guy left this
year in July.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
That was hard.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
That was really hard. And I didn't like that timing,
but I understood it, especially at that level where you're
not making you know, six figure seven figures. The other
guy left at a time when it was fine, it
was off season.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
It just that's what.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's what happens. I can live and I live with that.
And they all and they all did it better. You know,
guys went to D one and stuff. I get that.
But when but that position coach is so over it's
just important to the team, the program, the players that
are in that program, and when you're in the stretch
run of a season, that could be a special season.

(43:41):
I think what Ben Arbuckle did was beyond greasy. There's
no way you can convince me in any way, shape
or form. And maybe Alex will correct me as a
former quarterback, but I I you cannot convince me that
this guy was invested in the program. I really if
if he took if he tells people in the program
or outside the program, hey I'm here, I'm invested. That's

(44:02):
one thing. The proof is this. You scored zero points
in the final three quarters against a two win team
there and then and then really, forty eight hours later
it is announced that you're leaving. And really, for the
most part, it would have been a done deal before that.
Those kind of deals don't get done. You weren't invested.
And again, a right way and a wrong way to
do things. I think, to me, a young guy in

(44:24):
Ben Arbuckle who's got a huge future ahead of him,
I can't even express how disappointed I am and how
he did this. I think it's greasy. I think it's awful.
You know, I don't wish him the best. I never
would wish him the best, and I just can't get
past what happened Saturday. There's no way you can tell

(44:45):
me as a college coach that you were invested in
game planning for that game. There's no way, Alex. Maybe
I'm wrong, but my god, you scored fourteen points against
Wyoming like he was not invested. And that bothers me
to the core. I know it's a transient business. I
know everyone's leaving, I know, and you should be able
to better yourself. I good for him in that regard,

(45:07):
going closer to home all those things, but that pisses
me off. Man. I really have a hard time with that, Alex.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I think the you know, you can pull it back
even a few more weeks, right because against New Mexico
you only score seven in the second half. Yeah, and
it wasn't a very well called game either in the
second half by any means. And you know was although
the defense had obviously their challenges, I mean, ultimately the
offense is lack of production. The second half was the issue,
and Oregon State was better. But some key moments right

(45:34):
after an interception in the third quarter on a short
field where you go three and out, I mean there's
some moments where you could have had you know, I
think there could have been more, and I think to
your point, I don't really know how you change the
transient nature of conversations happening during the season. I think
that part, right, will probably always happen. So I never
blame a coach for having a conversation in a season,
because that's just the way.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
The world is.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Right right, where I do have an issue, and I
think this is probably to your point to some degree,
And this is probably where ben arbook was youth showed
is that he lost his focus on what was the
most important thing in that moment, which was Washington State football.
And that was pretty clear based off the play calling
and you know the way thing, you know, the way
things played out, you could see and I just look

(46:16):
at what happened against Wyoming, right, Kyle Williams scored back
to back three touchdown games as a monster game against
Oregon State. He gets four catches right off the bat
and a touchdown off a screen, and he doesn't touch
the ball until two targets at the end of the
game when there was when the game was over, right,
So so I mean that's that's lack of focus, right.
Your best playmaker gets no targets, zero targets. Guys from

(46:40):
the second quarter on that that's an issue. And so
I think that's where I have a problem with it
is that you know, again, the focus wasn't there. His
head was in other places, and and that showed up
on the field unfortunately.

Speaker 8 (46:53):
And here's the thing. And at the end of the day,
like you were saying, like, yes, as soon as we
start seeing this team get more men, we all knew.
We've mentioned on every show, we got to protect Jake,
we gotta protect mateir we have to protect these guys.
The more and more notoriety we got, we knew they
were going to start getting coached. So for him to
have this Oklahoma job, this didn't happen the last two weeks,
didn't happen the last three weeks. It probably happened even

(47:15):
before that, right, But again, it's like, how do we
finish out the season and then go, you know your
stock is high, you want to keep that stock high.
What are we doing to keep that stock high? For him,
it was like he was already jumping ship. So it's
just it was just really hard to watch. And then
you can see the unveiling and even schmedding, like Schmedding
was on the chopping block. We saw that, right, But
Washington State. You start scoring on third and fourth quarter, right,

(47:36):
and we're up on teams? Is he still on the
chalking block? And then even beyond that? And this is
the question I have for you, is Jake Dickard is
a defensive guy, right, He's a defensive minded How much
of Schmedding's autonomy did he even have? Like how much
hand did Jake have in his play calling? Did he
have his full you know, ability to do everything he
wanted to do? That's another question we don't know about.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Right, what do you think, Alex with Dekas Schmedding an
interesting that is an interesting dynamic with a defensive head coach.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
I think they I think Kim and Jay were pretty
aligned from what I know with you know, both schematically
when he came in, they ran similar things. Uh, you know,
coach Manny was able to put in packages he wanted.
I know, I know candidly. Part of it was, you know,
part of both offensive defense was Coach Dickert did not
you know, he didn't want to be heavy handed with
either side of the ball. So I think there was

(48:23):
autonomy in both. I think he tried to nudge certain ways. Right, Hey,
we need to run the football more here, Hey we
need to create a pass rush here. But you know,
from play calling, I don't know. I mean, I think
those coordinators had the autonomy from that standpoint. And I
think defensively, you know, lets you can talk about the defense,
you know, defensive production. In the two weeks Oregon State
New Mexico. Obviously we were frustrating for Kook fans because

(48:46):
those felt like winnable games. The reality is New Mexico
is the top six offense in the country, right, Like
they're good. The Oregon State they're not very good. But
you also caught him on a day with a new
starting quarterback and a lot of things that went right,
and you know, that was just a bad day. But
the defense had their moments in San Diego State, you
know San Diego State, you dub you know, different games

(49:10):
where they showed a big Fresno State right where they
showed take aways, Yeah, big takeaways and they made play
So you know, they had their moments. And I think,
you know, it's kind of the hierarchy of the way
things go where coach Smanning gets fired. But I think
the defense was a little more vilified than they needed
to be. Look what they did against Look what they
against Wylay and they home fifteen points like ultimately, and
really you know, it was six points all the way

(49:31):
till twenty four seconds left and then you know at
that point they kind of ran out of gas.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
So you know, again at two takeaways in the second
half two yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yeah, three total take three total takeaways in the game,
zero points off turnovers. So I mean, to me, that
was the.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Difference that's in Alex Alex springk MKA, in Crystal Brussa here. Yeah,
that's the thing is, like, I know, people point to
the last drive. It should never have got there, like
it should have been a twenty one to three game
at one point. It should never have got it, should
never have got there.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
And look, more importantly, the defense is on the field.
You know, I think close close to fifteen minutes of
that half, Like that's crazy, you know what I mean?
Or sorry, it's close to twenty five minutes of that half.
Twenty two minutes of that half. That's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, I think, and I go, guy, you know, there's
a lot of people criticizing and asking about what Materer
was doing. It kind of looked like he was, you know,
kind of almost taking matters into his own hands, trying
to do too much along the way, and I'll just
go back. I'll take that. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna blame the young man. I'm gonna blame the guy
calling the place and undisciplined play in terms of you
know what was going on with with with Ben Rbuckle,
Well we flush him, he moves on. That's fine. And again,

(50:32):
let me just be very clear, getting a job as
an offensive coordinator in the SEC. Nobody begrudges him for that.
I don't think any It's how you handle it now,
as you're right, and the timing and think it's one
of the many issues the NCAA has, you know, like
in most and this is not the same as most jobs,
but you can sometimes relate other jobs to it. And

(50:52):
you know, whether it's no compete, you can only speak
at a certain time. Things like you have a contract
there there is nothing more worthless than the world than
a college football or college basketball, college volleyball, a contract
in in collegiate sports for a coaching staff, there's nothing
more worthless because there's no no compete. If our competitors
called me today and said, hey, we want to talk

(51:14):
to you about a job, I can't even talk to them.
That's I'm breaching my contract at that point. Like and
most people, MK. You're in the world of sales and
have been you know that, right, there's no compets things
like that, but you should have a window to open
it up. I just it's a messed up system. Letter
of intent day is tomorrow, So it's not like he
was recruiting or God if he was, man, that's even
worse for Oklahoma, right, I mean, all those things are

(51:37):
going on, So it's just a it's a rough one.
We all thought we were worried about dickerd the last
two years, and you know, Dicker's not going anywhere because
he went in the Fires defensive coordinator on Monday, right,
like you connect to dots stare, So he's not going anywhere.
I applaud Jake. I think you know a lot of
people want to criticize him. I'll ask you this, Alex,
what kind of job do you think Jake Dickard has done.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I think he's done a really good job. And I
I am I am as aware of the Keyboard Warriors
as everybody else is out there following tough losses, and
I think, you know, everybody needs to take a step
back and think about specifically what Jake has done over
the last you know, three or four years, but more
important the last two years with all that's gone on,
and the way he's managed all of that, the way

(52:18):
he's championing this university, the way he's found ways to
retain players, go get players, fine players, keep staff right,
motivate staff, win football games like mind you like. And
it hasn't been perfect, but you know, there's a lot
of guys out there that I respect, former players, guys
like Gnar Bell, Calvin Jackson junior coming out and saying, hey,

(52:39):
let let the man have time. We gave we gave
coach Leech time. Let the man have time. And time's
not three years, right, two or three years times four, five,
six years, right, especially the place like Washington State, and
MK knows as well as anybody for somebody that played
for coach Price and watched him build and watched him
go through it, right, some yeah, come on now, and
like nobody had some fantastics And that's the whole point, right,

(53:01):
that's the place we are at, even more so now
at Washington State. And so you know, I think coach
Dickers doing a fantastic job. I saw him after that
game last night. That man was ripped to ripped to
the court over what happened, right, And you know that's
part of the job. You know, I get it, But
like he legitimately cares and he's doing his best to
put Washington State football in the best position possible. And

(53:22):
I think, uh, you know, Kook fans should be appreciative
that that you have that.

Speaker 8 (53:26):
And here's here's the best way I can say it
is like football, you hit those dog days where it
just hurts, right, you're going through day in and day out.
Minot in his days and Jake Dicker is a guy
that every single day will come out in the same
same way every single time, and it will make you
want to run through a wall for him. So what
he's done in Pullman is is beyond amazing. Right to

(53:47):
come in with limited funds, you're not competing with the
Texas with funds, you're not competing with you you dub
with funds, you're not competing with the organ So you
got to do it the hard way. And what he's
done I think is excellent.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Don't you think he's a CEO. You know, he's a
CEO of a program that's challenged on a daily basis.
And I think in that region, Yeah, I think in
that regard, he's, you know, the college football coach is
a CEO at that level and and and he's the
face of the of the program always will be.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I it's kind of the Gino Smith thing in Seattle
when people will yell and scream about Gino and things
like that. I always say, what's the alternative? You give me,
give me a better alternative, because we've we've seen a
lot of coaches come and go through Pullman, and he
he feels like in Jake's Kate to me, Jake Jackartt
feels like he fits like a glove. It just he
fits what we're doing. He fits, he fits what we want.

(54:32):
He's got challenges, and I you know what, there's a
big part of me he's excited to see. Okay, now
that he's settled into the job over the last couple
of years, what can he do in terms of the
new defensive coordinator, what's he gonna do in terms of
an offensive coordinator? God, I'd like to see him get
to something that fits our weather better. Maybe along the
way and and and something like that.

Speaker 8 (54:50):
I mean, but but here's the thing is that we're
not built for somebody to stay. As far as the
staff goes. We're gonna do, We're gonna have success, and
someone's gonna poach him. That's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And I'm good with that. I understand that. Yeah, as
long as as long as you keep your coach there.
And you know, I mean the good news about losing
three straight. He ain't going anywhere. I mean, West Virginia
is not calling tomorrow. But Alex new Oc, what would
you want to see in terms of style of play?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
It's an interesting question. You know, there's two sides of it.
For me, where I think it's really important. You know,
what Mike Leach brought in the air Raid and that
style of football gave Washington State an identity of who
they are and what they could recruit, right, And you
can recruit that type of talent on in the Washington
State recruiting profile, right, small, fast, wide receivers, quarterbacks, like

(55:39):
offensive linemen that can pass block that you know, that's
not that hard to find those type of athletes, right,
And when people ask for other things sometimes that's part
of the conversation. It's hard to find, you know, dual
dual linemen that can run block and pass block in
a more pro style setting. Right, It's hard to find
running backs consistently things like that.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
What I would say is that I would be super
intrigued to see, like, the air raid's not the only
spread offense out there anymore. Right. The offenses have evolved
big time, and I would argue that the purity of
the Mike Leach air raid is perfect. But what kind
of has changed with guys like Eric Morris and Ben
Arbuckle is that they don't really know who they are,
and so they're making up some things along the way

(56:22):
while trying to maintain some air raid principles. But it's
really not cohesive, right, And that's where you run into
some of those issues. What I would love to see
is a lot of what you've seen in the NFL nowadays.
Think about Sean McVay, think about Kyle Shanahan the college version.
And I hate to say this, but if the guys
like Chris Peterson, it's the guys that go a little
bit under center, that have a tight end, that play

(56:44):
action pass that are spread like they're spread. It's kayl
you know, it's Kaylen Debor. It's that version of it.
They're spread, they throw the football around the yard, they'll
go and shotgun, but they have a pro style element.
It's West Coast base with a mix of air raids.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Is that going back to the home run days, like
kind of the the Mike home Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
That's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean it's
evolved since then, but that's the idea. I mean, like,
think about the best version of Chris Peterson Boise State,
you dub, think about a little bit of Kaylan de
Borr and those guys. I mean there's other versions of
it in college and definitely in the NFL, but it
is it's West Coast offense with now spread air raid
principles and West Coast running game. And I think that

(57:23):
would fit really well in ployman because you know what
you can recruit. You can actually recruit high quality tight ends.
We saw him at Washington State when I was playing
Jad Collins, Troy Beneman, Cody Boyd. You can find those.
You can find those athletes and then mix them right
with the running backs, the receivers and so on and
so forth. And I think you'd be really dynamic offensively
and you wouldn't get stuck in these situations where teams
will rush three and drop eight and you don't have

(57:45):
an answer.

Speaker 8 (57:46):
Yeah, and you're right then that that dynamic of having
that tight end game we've been missing for a while,
and they see that, you know, especially you're Travis Kelcey's
in the league right. It seems like the NFL definitely
brought in a lot more of the tight end game
in each package. So I think defensively, we need to
get some fast linebackers and make that more of a
linebackers and go side to side and get a pass rush.

(58:07):
I think the pass rush this year really hurt us.
Not getting to the quarterback those a real big struggle.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
There's no doubt. Let me do this. I'm gonna take
a very quick break. We'll come back and I'm gonna
wrap up on the other side just for a few minutes.
I won't even keep you guys a whole segment, just
for a few minutes. And there's a couple of other
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just a second as well. We're waiting on the bowl game.
We'll know next Sunday, probably after the college football all
the championship games take place and the brackets are released
and all that, and we'll find out where the coops go.
It feels like a little bit like the Holiday Bowl.

(59:24):
Alex how important is the bowl game.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I think it's really important. I mean, I think again,
and this goes back to the conversation about what coach
Dickert has done and you know all those things. Is
if we started the year and I told you Ian
that this team went nine to four and won the
Holiday Bowl or the Vegas Bowl or whatever it is,
you'd probably be like, oh, that's a pretty good year, right,
And it hurts because of the way it played outright,

(59:50):
But again, that's behind us. All that matters is national
recruiting profile and player retention from this day forward and
winning the bowl game and finish fishing you know, finishing
in the top twenty five maybe or finishing on a
high note having a nine win season and be able
to talk about that really matters. So, like I believe
that it's an important focus.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
They need to have it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
It's great for the program. And again, I think it's
a feather in the cap to you know, the kids
and the coaching staff that went out and did it
in a really challenging year at a challenging time and
a springboard in the next season.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I think the number one thing right now is
is Materier going to stay Is he going to play
in the bowl game. That's the number one thing that
we need to think about. He plays in the bowl game,
I think that's a huge win for WSU. You know,
can we pay him, can we keep him? That's gonna
be a huge win. Does Nick Edwards call the place?

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:00:36):
Does Jake Dicker step up and call the place defensively
to finish out the year and then kind of delegate
around that? Those are the questions we ask.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I'm going to get back to to what you said
about my tier and a second Alex, who does call
the plays in the bowl game?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Do you think? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
I would think Nick Edwards. He has some experience, you know,
kind of being in and around play calling. I know
he's really involved in the past game. I think typically that,
you know, a guy like that was kind of his degree,
would probably do it, would be my guess.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
But I just think I just think back to the
bowl game a few years ago against Fresno State, when
it was like Klai McGuire offensive line coach, and I
love Clay good dude, whatever, but our offensive line coach
Colin Plays was like, I don't know, man, I know,
I know an offensive lineman quite well, and hopefully he's
not listening out in Spokane. But I wouldn't want him
calling plays. I can tell you that right now, Nora

(01:01:22):
would I want and you know his you know his
his position coaches is Jake Rodgers. But at Wazoo too
big Jake, Like, I wouldn't want Jake Colin plays either.
I don't want an offensive line and Colin plays. I
need to have a guy that knows what the hell
he's doing, because I think that's a big I think
it's big because it goes back to what Alex said.
I think the bowl game is big, like if you
can go not, relevance was big this year. This was
a big and I think that's what's really kind of

(01:01:42):
why people are bristling and upset about the way things ended.
You probably were never going to get as Wazoo wentto
the College Football Playoff, but you were sure. But you
were relevant every week up until the last, basically the
last two weeks too. We wanted to flirt with it.
We wanted to be talked about. The future of college
football is in flux. It's everywhere, It's it's just a

(01:02:04):
gong show. We've talked about that all year, right you
want to stay front and center. Alex, You've been a
big proponent of that all year. You need to do that,
and that's why all of a sudden kind of falling
out of favor and finishing like you did at eight
and four, that's what's hard to kind of stomach. Now,
you go to a bowl game, you play, you're gonna
play a quality opponent, which is good, and if you
can get a win, and maybe that quality opponent is
the one that lose. Maybe we're Fresno State from a

(01:02:25):
couple of years ago and everybody else sits out for
those guys and we actually have it. But Tier's the key.
That's the key, Like, that's one hundred percent. The key
is John Mattier. And I think, Alex, maybe I'm crazy here,
but I'm thinking this, if if we find out the
bowl game next week, and we know he's practicing for
that bowl game, we know he's staying right, like he's
not going to play in a bowl game, if he's transferring, I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Mean, arguably I would say that's true. I mean, I
take it, you know again, I just I love in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Of common sense. Sometimes maybe maybe maybe that's dumb in
college football.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I mean, I just mean, I'm just saying, like
you just I don't know, like you don't know in
this age it's it's I also don't know enough off
the top of my head about like the transfer portal
windows and like where.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
They where it is.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
So yeah, yeah, so so there's that right, Like but
you know, again, I think we're gonna find out sooner
around than later, because you know, if if I know
one thing about John, like whether you know, whether he's
saying or he's leaving, like he's not gonna sit here
and drag this thing out right, it's he's gonna make
a decision, go with it, and he's gonna own it,
and you know, for whatever it is. Like again, like

(01:03:29):
I just think I think he's that type.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Of human being. And so you know, and I think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Whoever the you know, whoever's courting him is obviously going
to make you know, strong, You're gonna make it real clear,
like hey they want them, or Washing State's gonna put
something in front of him, Hey we got you, like
those sort of things. I go back to, you know
a little bit about thinking about this year and in
the next year, just like the potential the cell I
would be making to this entire roster is guys, look

(01:03:54):
at what we did with a roster of a sophomore quarterback,
a freshman running a freshman running back uh, a sophomore
receiver in Carlos Hernandez, an entire offensive line that could
come back, a defense with a sophomore Buda al Lukta,
freshman Ethan O'Connor, two freshmen, two sophomore defensive tackles. Like
I could go on and on about if this group,

(01:04:16):
you know, can stay together and Washington State can you know,
work to keep them together as best they can? Uh,
what they could do next year? What could be special?
So you know, I hope that's the conversations that are happening.
I know the Couper Collective is doing a really good job.
I think something like twenty five or twenty six offers
went out and I'll offers went out to players on
the roster this week, Like you know, they're trying, they're
working hard, and so you know, I hope we're able

(01:04:39):
to keep that together because there could be good things
to have.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
Yeah, and like we always get that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
I think all year.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
I don't know about you, guys, but people were asking me,
like you know Cam mored if he stayed, you know,
how good would this team have been. Would we be
at the same position we are now or not? And
then for me, I think Materia did such a great job.
I think he was the personality Pullman needed. I think
that he was able to keep plays alive with his
legs that Cam what have ran on. They made different
decisions and we know that Cam took a lot of sacks.
So I think Cam did everything he needed to to

(01:05:05):
go to Miami, had a good career there. But John
Matteer needs to be in Pullman. I think we need
to do what we can to keep them. I just
don't know if we can right. I think you put
enough resumee where he can go get paid more.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I mean I've heard all kinds of numbers one
out there that he's making this year, and that brings
us the last thing. Listen the collective and Alex I
get they are working hard. I've got some issues how
it's run. I think we could they could invest in
people running it more so than in terms of volunteers.
I think we put ourselves behind the eight ball in
that regard. But that's a probably a bigger topic for
a different day. You know, I got into it a

(01:05:39):
little bit with guys. I mean, Robbie's mad and Jack's
mad at me. That's fine. I just I hated the tweet,
the long ass tweet the guy sent out Saturday night
like our Sunday morning, Like people are raw and mad.
The people you're asking for money from at that point
aren't the ones that going to pay for John Matier.
Those guys aren't. But what you did do is you
turned off a lot of people. And I know fifty
thousand dollars that came off the table right then and there.

(01:05:59):
It'll probably go back at some point. The hardest thing
with the collective is this. And this is like it's
the chicken in the egg, like people are spending money,
but yet like is it for John? Is it for
the next quarterback? What's it for for? And here's a
bigger problem. There's nothing keeping guys here. There's dudes that

(01:06:19):
are going to get paid that are just gonna leave.
There's guys that get paid. I'll go back. Basketball is
a great example from last year. There's some dudes. The
only guy that wasn't making six figures that contributed last
year and the basketball team was Isaiah Watts, and he's
the only guy that stayed. And there are some people
that are sideways about that, like I know a guy,
I'll just use it. And this is actually what he is.
Potato farmer from Pasco pissed, like wait a second man,

(01:06:42):
Like there's nothing keeping guys here when you pay him.
It's a hard balancing act I think for the collective
to fight, I think how you present it, the pr
side of things, all those things have to come into play.
You can't just rely on social media. But it's also
a bigger picture of a problem in college football. It's
a bigger because there is no contract, like if you pay,

(01:07:03):
if someone gives Jeoh Mattier one hundred thousand dollars bonus tomorrow,
he could still walk. He could leave in January if
he wants to, right.

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
And so that's because that's the Nevada guy, right, Yeah,
I mean he's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Kind of I mean, I mean, here's an argument there
is that you know, and let's use the basketball example. Right,
you can be mad you didn't keep TJ. Bomba who
took more money and went and became a less productive player,
and then you ended up getting better players that you
paid and took you to the tournament, who then left
to go somewhere else, and then you ended up actually

(01:07:36):
maybe getting better players in Cedric Coward and other guys,
and you're probably gonna make another tournament run, right, And like,
that's the game you're playing, and it's not the it's
not to the fault of the collective or Washington State
or anybody else. It's to the fault of what you
just said, which is the structure of college from college
basketball currently, which is like, that's the game you're playing.
So what I would tell the potato farmer from Pasco

(01:07:58):
is that you're not paying for players. You're paying for
your program to be relevant year in and year out.
And if you don't like that game, you don't have
to play, but you're not gonna be good. And so like,
we gotta stop worrying about whether we're keeping John Mattier
or Tjbomba or whoever, whoever, whoever. You gotta say, I'm
investing in the university that I love and care about

(01:08:19):
in the athletics apartment, and I'm gonna and I'm gonna
entrust that the coaching staff and the personnel staff are
gonna go find the players they're gonna make us product competitive,
which to this point I would argue they have in
those programs and that is something we should be thankful for.

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Some muscles, all right, listen, Uh, I'm gonna bother you
guys next week when we get the bull stuff and
we have I think by next week we'll have a
lot more to talk about and then I'll I'll leave
you alone for Christmas. All right. After that, yeah, we're
gonna have more break And you just sold me on
the collective. And let me just say, for the record,
I applaud what those guys are doing. Take care, Thank
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Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
All right, Daily power Pitter, wrap upart show, Softy and
fan reminder coming up at two o'clock. Today we were
a short show. We got a three thirty hockey pre
game with Mike Benton, the captain from the Crack and
Audio Network. We'll be with you here in about an
hour and a half time. Getting ready for the Cracking
and the Carolina Hurricanes and Raleigh tonight, first of four
straight on the road for Seattle. Some interesting moves today

(01:10:09):
Head coach Dan Bylsma not messing around anymore. We're all
wondering when this would happen. If you remember this year,
he is at various times sat Oliver b York Strand,
ty Krha and Shane Wright. Now the two young guys.
Card Shay was collateral damage when he sat at York Strand,
he had to sit somebody else so it didn't look
too bad. Easy to sit the undrafted free agent Oliver.

(01:10:35):
By the way, since that time has come back and
played really well. Jess. He's he's had He's had points
in eight of eleven games. Shane Wright, since being in
a healthy scratch for three games, has five points in
a couple of games, so he's bounced back very nicely. Tonight,
your high paid free agent from a couple of years ago.

(01:10:57):
Andre Burakowski is a healthy scratch, significant move that'll shake
up the locker room for sure. Twenty five games, one goal,
eight assists, nine points. But more importantly, in the month
of November, Andre Burikowski he chipped in I say this
tongue in cheek in fourteen games with one goal, two

(01:11:19):
assists and three points in fourteen games as a top
line forward, the top six guy playing a good chunk
of the time with Beniers and McCann because of the
everly injury, and he has done nothing offensively. So he's
going to watch the game from the press box tonight,
all kinds of line shakeups along the way. He is

(01:11:41):
also Riker Evans is out tonight. He's got a shoulder injury.
So with that being the case. Daniel Sprung also a
healthy scratch. In his games with Seattle, he scored early
and hasn't done anything since why Vancouver may have given
him away, but they've got Yanni Gord playing on the
right wing tonight with Years and Schwartz. That's a different look.

(01:12:04):
Yanni is almost always since I'll have to ask Allison
if she gets in here. I don't remember Yanni playing
much wing, but he's gonna be on the right wing tonight.
McCann with Chandler Stevenson and Brandon tannev is a line Tolvinen,
Shane Wright, Oliver of York strand Mitchell Stevens centering the
line with Kara and Winnd and they are they are ship.

(01:12:24):
I mean, he the thing I like about Biosma and
I mean, frankly, it's there there. It hasn't worked like
he'd like it too yet they've slipped back below five
hundred eleven thirteen to one. But he's not afraid to
shake things up. A lot of times in hockey, you
see guys just want to stay with the norm. They
don't they don't mess around with things, and they just
hope it'll fix itself. That's not the case with this guy.

(01:12:45):
He tries to shake things up big time, and he's
done that again tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
With those line comes, what's your confidence in the new lines?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Do you like it?

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Because he said you like the change, but you know,
just because he actually has the cohone has to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
But yeah, I like change for change sake. I like
Borukovsky sitting out because I think he has to. He
just hasn't done anything. He's been just he hasn't contributed
anything offensively this season. But if I'm looking at these lines,
if I'm the opposition, there's nothing there that scares me.

(01:13:20):
That's I mean, I'm gonna be honest. I'm trying desperately
not to not to say something offensive. But honestly, Jess,
when I look at this, they got to figure something
out up front. Every being out with Listen, you didn't
plan on They didn't plan on Jordan Everley being out,

(01:13:41):
But Jordan Everley being out just killing him. He's a
huge part of this team. He's a top six forward
and with him out then you needed a guy like
Borakowsky to step up, and he just has not done that.
You've got basically, I mean, I love Mitchell Stevens will
work hard for you. Ryan Winterton will work hard for
He's a young guy. I mean, you got two American
Hockey League guys in your in your lineup tonight. That's

(01:14:04):
what they are winning. Could be a really good player
in a couple of years. He's just young. I mean
he hasn't don't have a point in three games in
the NHL this year, so yeah, I don't. Their offense
has got to come from the blue line. It's come
from the blue line all year. There the offense in
terms of scoring from the defenseman. They're number one in
the league, tied with Edmonton for the highest scoring blue

(01:14:24):
line in the league, which is great. That's the good news.
Joey's got to be better. He's he's had a couple
games where he's let in a bad one. Grubauer hasn't
been good at all this year. Joey's carried this team
for the most part to eleven wins. So uh, he's
got to be good tonight. And they've They've got guys
got to step up, but Can has n't produced lately.

(01:14:44):
They get a goal the other night, but a lot
of guys are are passengers on the train right now.
It's still frustrating. So they spent money.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
I like the roster makeup at the start of the year.
Vince Done coming back helps for people to miss that
he played in his first game of the night, you know,
and he's got three points in five games play this year.
He's a difference maker in the back end. That'll help.
But I think it's pretty significant. It'll wake up call
when you bench one of your highest paid players in
the NHL.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
That says something that does not happen all that often.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Okay, here's what we got coming up tomorrow. Mike Holmbran's
gonna be with us tomorrow at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
We'll be out there doing the show. Greg will be
there from ten to noon. I'll be there at noon
to three. So we'll be doing the shows at the
vMac tomorrow. Homegroun with us at two o'clock tomorrow. Brandon
Huffman's going to join us for Lettervan Tent Day. We'll
get a Seahawk player on I'm assuming right off the
get go and Steve Palozolo. So a big, big National

(01:15:34):
Football League Day tomorrow. Jefs am I missing anything?

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
A tease for Funston right?

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yes, we are still awaiting confirmation, but we're aiming for Friday.
At one pm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Okay, so I'm doing it a day later.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I know last week we did it two days early.
We had to move them around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
We're just we've got hockey games early this week, so
we're all shuffling around. So we're shooting for a Friday
Funston visit, so stand by for that. We should confirm
that by tomorrow. Yes, so a busy day coming up tomorrow.
Dick Fane, Dave Softimar and Jackson Felts will take you
up until Cracking pregame at three point thirty and don't
forget it as a Cracking ticket. Tuesday, we're giving away tickets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
What two more hours, right, two more hours, two more
chances to win, two

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
More chances to win Cracking tickets right here on ninet
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