Furness Show 2-7: Danny O'Neil, Robbie Tobeck and Greg Cosell

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Everything is above board.

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I just have a little more connections than people who
couldn't watch the NFL Hall of fame last night and
got blacked out.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I could the well, I probably wouldn't want to watch it.
I'm glad I was at the hockey game. Okay, the
big show come up today. Danie O'Neal twelve twenty, he'll
join us at twelve twenty today his weekly visit. I'm
sure he'll have a lot to say at the Holmegroun
snub one o'clock. Robbie Tobek, former KOUG and former Seahawks
center is going to join us. I'd be curious what
he has to say about his coach not getting in yet.

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I'm gonna say yet because it should still happen. We'll
get to that in a second bunch of audio at
one thirty one twenty Hughes Smill this morning breaking down
Holmgren's candidacy. Coach holmgroan on with Chuck and Buck today
and we'll hear him a little bit as well, and
Brett Farve as well. All that coming up at one
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Speaker 4 (04:18):
But I did see what you posted on our Instagram
page or your hotel. I put it, I put it
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I'm really good with a paper and pen, so I
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(04:39):
our Instagram page.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yes, I'm all about the insta. Okay, let me get
to my home grin if I can, please. Uh the
the snub last night was just kind of like a
punch in the stomach. I think for all of us
that know Mike well, and are are close with them,
co workers that came with him and everything else. And

(05:02):
I'm glad I wasn't doing a radio show last night.
And I know that probably sounds weird, because you know,
instant reaction, the instant emotions and all those things sometimes
are the best when they're raw like that. But I'm
glad I wasn't because I don't want to say something
I'm going to regret the people on the committee that
you know, we're all mad at and everything else. I
you know, I've talked to Sandu a lot about it.

(05:23):
I know those guys do their homework. I know they're
they're highly thought of. It's forty nine votes, not fifty.
I don't know why there's an empty seat, but I
guess there is. And I don't know, maybe that maybe
that costs Mike, maybe with one more vote, one vote away.
I don't think we have seen yet the actual percentages.
Maybe Mike can give those to us on a Monday

(05:43):
when he joins us. But I was thinking a long
and hard how to handle this first segment today before
we get to Danny, and I think it's just time,
just I want to pay tribute to Mike. We'll hear
Hugh breakdown. We've all done it. I can scream and
yell from the mountaintops on his you know, legitimacy, on
his candidacy and how he should be in. I think

(06:05):
we all agree he should be in. I'm assuming a
vast majority, maybe not eighty percent, but the vast majority
of the people voting probably thought he should be in
as well. And the way they have structured this this
system now makes it really challenging and really difficult. And
if you're one of the veterans or builders on the

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that's a finalist next year, your chances of getting in
are not good. Because Bill Belichick's going to be a
first ballot Hall of Famer as well. He should be right,
He's going to get in next year. I mean it's
unless he comes back to the NFL, which I don't know,
we'll see, maybe that happens. I'm kind of rooting for
that to happen. I'm rooting for him to walk away.
The when is it like June first, when he can
walk away with like no no bit, like a small

(06:45):
buyout for his job at North Carolina. But but you know,
it's frustrating, and I don't I was kept thinking to
myself as I'm looking through it. Yes, his resume is
better than a number of coaches already in the in
the Hall of Fame. It just is. Yes, But you
could also make an argument for all those guys as

(07:06):
well against other people. I mean, you could spin your
wheels for days and days. I think Mike Hombren should
be in before a number of guys that are already in.
Tony Dungee, Bill Cower and others. I think he should
be in before those guys. If we just judge it
on Super Bowls, well, then why is Eli Manning not in?

(07:27):
Why is Adam Van Terry not in? On the player category?
I know it's different, but I'm not sure what the
actual judgment is. Sterling Sharp gets in seven year career,
whatever it was, had a great seven year run, was
maybe the best receiver in the game for that those
seven years. Took him twenty five years after he retired
to get in. So he's the one that cost Mike
c omberan the spot in. There's no doubt about that.

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But at the end of the day, Mike hombran' is
a Hall of Famer. Yes, Mike c. Hombren is a
Hall of famer on the field, Mike Hombran is a
hall of famer in the meeting rooms off the field,
in the locker room with his team team building. He's
an hall of famer in terms of x's and o's
and game planning and scheming, designing an offense. He's a
hall of famer in every guard He's a Hall of

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Fame teacher of players, he's a Hall of Fame leader,
and more importantly, he's a Hall of Famer in his
everyday life. And that is what is frustrating to me,
is that the totality of the package of Mike Hombren
isn't just wins and losses. It's so much more than that.
If you want to look at the coaching tree, second
to none, if you want to look at what he

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did as a coach before he was a head coach.
As a coordinator, arguably one of the best top two
or three coordinators in the history of the game. We'll
hear from Brett Farba about that coming up at one
thirty today. But Mike Hombron, the father, the husband, the grandfather,
the co worker. For us, I mean, we joke about

(08:55):
it all the time. This guy couldn't be better in
our office. He couldn't be better as a human walking
in talking to everyone and anyone, telling stories outside outside
of the studios, with our other you know, with our
sales staff and managers and others. Mike Holmgan' is a
Hall of Famer. And those who are entrusted with a really,

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really big responsibility, a sacred responsibility of deciding who goes
into Canton they failed. Yes, frankly, they failed. And they
didn't just fail this time. They failed a number of
times over the years. Mike was the victim a couple
times of guys getting in because frankly, it was made

(09:41):
for TV events. You cannot convince me and never will
ever be able to convince me otherwise that Bill Cower
is in the Hall of Fame ahead of Mike Holmgren
for his football credentials. Bill Cower is in the Hall
of Fame because it made for a great TV bit
on CBS for a pregame show. It's just not even
that the resume isn't comparable. He's also the coach of

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the Steelers. We're gonna make all three Steeler coaches Hall
of Famers, probably before Mike Holmgren, for God's sakes, if Mike,
if Mike Tomlin quitch tomorrow, He'll be in before Mike.
That's just the way it is. I made the best
I made a bad mistake today. I've looked at some
of the highlights and some of the big plays from
the super Bowl in Detroit, and I thought to myself, like,

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it's so hard, And I know that's been a big
topic of conversation this whole year. Or the games, you know,
as Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs, do they get the
benefit of doubt or games fixed? I don't think games
are fixed, but there's a human element with officials and
a human element around the league where there are teams
and situations and circumstances where guys get special treatment. The

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Detroit or the Pittsburgh Steelers that Darryl Jackson, Penn, God
help us man. Really between that one Roethlisberger not in
the end zone being reviewed calling it a touchdown, the
hold on Locklear that was an embarrassment. Pittsburgh was a
home team and an environment and they got a gift

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that day. And that the saddest part about that gift
that Detroit, that the Pittsburgh Steelers got is that not
only did it cost Seattle its first ever Super Bowl championship.
It costs Mike his second, Yeah, which should be a
no brainer. And then you know what I thought today, Jess.
But even if he had those two super bowls, are

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we sure he wouldn't have been still bypassed a few
times over?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, I don't trust the Hall at all anymore.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I don't trust the voting Committee, whoever they may be,
at all anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I thought the best thing I saw today Not to
steal a thing from Scott van Pelt, but the best
thing I saw today so far was the AP made
its MVP. I think all of the ones I just
saw the MVP voters, and it made it. All fifty
were made public today.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Oh, they actually got transparent.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
How about that it was made transparent? I love that.
We'll get more into this a little bit later, twelve
forty five, but just for us, our guys, a Hall
of Famer, Yes, Sunday can't. We'll recognize it. I hope
it's sooner than later so Mike can enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
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Speaker 2 (12:51):
Danie O'Neil joined us Friday's twelve twenty in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Here.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
We have to change of time because we start going
one to three next week on the radio show. But
that's fine. We'll figure that out at that point in time.
In the meantime, Danny, Joe, I just I'll have to
be conplumbing hotline. Hellow sir hi Ian, how are you doing?
We we had a week here in Seattle, Danny, we
had a week. Now we've had We've had a week

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capped off by Homegrown getting snubbed again and starting with it.
You can't get any better than a Jerry to Poto
news conference, even via zoom. So we've we've had a
little bit of a week. We've had a little bit
of a week here in Seattle. I can just tell
you that right now.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
Are they just going to eventually stop trotting him out
there or is it just gonna be at this point
because I'm not going to complain.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
I find some entertainment in it. I just I'm not
sure how.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
I'm not sure how it benefits the I'm not sure
how it benefits the old.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Mariner's business model to keep putting him out there.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
It doesn't, is the easy answer to that. This is
this is kind of inside. But I think people have
heard his talk because we just do shows down at
these things, and when Danny was another place that won't
mention that might be the flagship for the baseball team
every year. I mean I got back here to Seattle
in two thousand and six, and so from two thousand

(14:10):
that was fall of those six So every year I
can remember from two thousand and seven through even post COVID,
like maybe the last couple of years, it's like, this
is like two or three years they haven't done it.
But the Mariners would hold a preseason media luncheon. And
then this is where this is starting on the fans.
Oh you guys get don't get free lunch anymore. Well,
that wasn't it. It was an opportunity where the baseball

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team would bring the media down to Safego slash tea
mobile and we would hear from everyone in the organization
that mattered. The manager of the time, the GM of
the time, trainers would come in and give us health updates.
They bring a couple of players in. I think the
last time, Danny, they did it was when te Oscar
Hernandez was had with the year he came, so it
would have been two years ago because I remember him

(14:54):
being there. But it was a good opportunity to kind
of get your preseason sound bites, interviews, would do a
show what Jimmy's Someone would come over, usually the manager
or the GM, and it was good. I mean, I
think from a baseball fans standpoint, we got a lot
of content. Everyone got to hear, let's get fired up
for the season. Well, they stopped doing that and they
haven't done it since. The fifty four percent comment. That's

(15:15):
not a coincidence, Danny, is it?

Speaker 8 (15:18):
No, it's not, And that was I understand what Jerry
was trying to say there, which was, if you have
a team that wins fifty four percent of its games
over a ten year period. Chances are in one of
those years they're going to pop up and make the
world serious that that's the best way.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, it was the.

Speaker 8 (15:40):
Worst way to deliver that, and it is understandable why
Mariner fans had the reaction that they did.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
And it seems like since then it's been Okay, we're just.

Speaker 8 (15:52):
Gonna hunker down and nobody wants to hear anything unless
and until we win. But that's combined with some of
the changes in budgeting to create a pretty intense pressure
where it's it's tough for it's tough for anyone to
go out there, and then the baggage that Jerry brings

(16:15):
into it. I think I think people's I think people's
patience with what he says is at an if it
ever existed, it has a.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Vapor if and Danny did radio for a long time
here in Seattle, of course, started with gross and Gas
way back in the day, and.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
I made the best out of him.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I don't know what you're talking about. I have no
idea what you're talking about, Jessamine. Jessamine, I don't know
what you're speaking of.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
You don't have to.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, we could get into that and just say basically
anybody that was good on on our air over here,
then then you went and poach. But that's cool, that's
I mean, that's like, that's you know, that's cool anyway
you mean just poached, I'd say, poach.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Okay, we can have a boxing fight once. Let's go
to the EQC and be the main card.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, we're not going there today. Rub A wholestleclombic casilo.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Huh, I mean first super Bowl, Yes.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
We're we're gonna be But but Daddy, you did radio,
you know, like you know that, like we're what the
tenor of fans can be. And sometimes you get one
or two texts and people think that's what everyone's thinking.
That isn't the case with this baseball team. You say,
Mariner is filling the blank and it is over like
our text line is just and Jess can tell you
it's like it's just you can't even do topics really

(17:32):
right now because people just lose their mind until they
win big. There is gonna be a big section of
the fan base Danny that just doesn't buy into anything
that he says or the organization says.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
It.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
It's true and there's a part of me that really
likes it, Like there's a part of me that feels
good for we are the passive aggressive city where you
come to the four way stop and you motion for
the other person to go first, even if you were
there for and then you grumble about it as they
go through. And there's part of me that really likes

(18:05):
the fact that we are outright aggressive about.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
The Americas, which I don't want to hear anything.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
About that, NAU they win that There's there's a part
of it, like you can sit there and talk about
Seattle as a soft media market, and there's there's probably
some truth in that, but not when it comes to
the baseball team.

Speaker 8 (18:22):
Right now, we are some old testament fire and brimstone.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Damn right and rightfully so like rightfully so, exactly right.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
We're the only one that hasn't been to the World Series.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, we're approaching half a century without going to the
World Series. Like the fans have a legitimate reason to
be pissed off. It is funny when people in the
organization get sensitive about that, and I always I always
point out to them, I said, listen, whether it's me
ripping on you or whether it's the fans ripping on you.
At least you're relevant like you're relevant, like you people

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care and that's good because they haven't too doubt. Now
they kind of do as a year goes on and
the anger is there and maybe you see it, but
people are still they're still passionate about the baseball team.
They want desperately for them to win. And I think
the fact, the fact of the matter is most fans
don't believe that ownership has that same passion and desire

(19:17):
to win that they as a fan do.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
And they have some very strong evidence to support that contention.
They have some very strong evidence in the infield this
year to support that contention. The fact that Jorge Polonco
moving from second to third and Donovan Solano gonna be
your part time first baseman, that that was the answer
this offseason would be evidence that that there are some

(19:43):
considerations other than winning that are at the at the.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Top of mind.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
And the one thing that is unique about the Mariners,
and I do think that this dates back to the
fact that this team was headed out of town until
the ownership sale and the the basically the deal for
a new stadium that was strong armed in the midst
of that ninety five run that they should get credit

(20:08):
for the fact.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
That the team is still here.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
And I'm willing to engage and indulge in that a
little bit. But the part of it that this ownership
group in particular, they want to be paid attention to,
but they don't want the criticism that comes with people
caring and not winning.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
They resist and I've fielded.

Speaker 9 (20:33):
The complaints about not talking about them and burying them
behind the Seahawks when the people care about the Mariners
that hey, you're not paying attention to us, and then
the bristling that comes up.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Okay, when you do pay attention to them, that means
you're going to scrutinize the lack of success.

Speaker 10 (20:51):
Oh whoa, whoa.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
You know you don't get points for trying hard in
sports like you don't at the end of the day,
eventually it is about winning and if you don't, when
you're gonna get your seat held to the fire.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
And I think that's just part of the deal.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, and that's the thing. It's it's everyone that will
complain about that in organizations, and the Seahawks are they're
see extra guilty at times of being very sensitive too.
We all know that they you know, and and I
work for the hockey team and protect the brand is
one of the things we need to do as employees. Now,
I'm kind of caught between a rock and a hard
place as an employee of them and also a talk
show host on their flagship station. But you know, hopefully

(21:26):
I can be honest and say, yeah, there's guys in
that team that are not good, Andrey Berrikowski has not
performed as contract. They need to figure something out, et cetera,
et cetera. We can all do that, but protecting the
brand's one thing. Ignoring you is different and just absolutely
you know, you know, legitimate criticism is part of the
game of professional sports, and you use I can't use
the word you wrote. I don't care what IVY League

(21:48):
school it comes from. But you said Jerry Depoto is
a professional or whatever b Esser. I guess I could say, correct.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Yes, Bo Biden Manure a slanger.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Of cowp.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Danny the ever loving word Smith.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I don't know you are a wordsmith. You are a wordsmith.
And I saw that call, but I'm like, okay, At
he's going down the path to be in that's good.
I like it. I like it. Sure wasn't ghostwriter Softy
writing that thing. I mean, my goodness, well, but it's hey.
Help me out here though, because I agree with you
with Jerry and I'm trying to I am trying to

(22:29):
find the happy medium between Jerry and being that professional
slinger of cow dung or where does ownership come into play?
And I'll be honest with you, we go back to
the press conference. I wanted it's great to Poto gets
up there and we don't know what he can and
can't do. We really truly don't know if he's just

(22:49):
protecting his own self or if he's protecting ownership, or
if he just believes that he's the smartest guy in
the room. And Solano slash Polanka we're gonna make a
difference this year. We don't know that. I want to
hear from ownership. I think it's important. I think John
Stanton hiding behind the scenes for the last two years
is garbage.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
I think that that's a fair point. And one of
the privileges of ownership is you get to decide how
much craft you want to take.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Ye and you can.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
The NFL owners show a great example of this by
having the human meat shield that it is Roger Goodell.
When you're the owner, you can afford to hire insulation
between you and the public dislike or.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
Antagonism that comes from it.

Speaker 8 (23:31):
And the way I view Jerry is that Jerry is
right now in some ways the middleman. I don't think
the reason that they failed to upgrade the infield is
because Jerry didn't think they needed it or they had
no holes. Like you said, he didn't have the means
to be able to give it. He did the best
he thought he could given the resources. However, Jerry also

(23:58):
gets Plait really well in that position. And there's an author.
There's an author named James Elroy. He's a he's a
crime writer. He wrote La Confidence, the book La Confidential,
which then became the movie. He's had a he's pretty
well known crime writer. And I went and saw him
talk once, and he's a hilarious speaker. But somebody asked
him which of the which of the books, Which of

(24:19):
your books.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
That were made into movies? Which the movies did you
like best?

Speaker 8 (24:22):
And he said, I've had the pleasure of having a
number of my books adapted into movies, some of which
I liked, some of which I didn't. And you'll never
know the difference because I took the cash, and the
implication was that once you sign on the dotted line,
once you get and and receive payment for what it is,

(24:43):
you're you're kind of on board. And so in my mind, Jerry,
whether or not he is the person that is responsible
for some of those.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Decisions, that's what he signed up for. He is the
front man for it.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
So I think it's very fair to train the criticism
on him, and and I don't expect the sports executive
to be honest with me. Like when Jerry said we
had no holes to fill, I think that that is
clearly untrue. But I also understand that he's going to
say that. The part that drives me up a wall

(25:18):
is when people try to talk their way around it
and basically try to sling bovine manure cowpies by telling
you that what you're seeing, which is the mayors have
a bad offense, isn't actually true.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
We've actually been very stable if you look at w
RC plus on the road over the.

Speaker 11 (25:38):
Past three years, like, no, don't know.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
That's the part where I'm.

Speaker 8 (25:41):
Like, no, I'm not going to go that far. I
feel like you should be able to stand up and
stay Shenanigan, where I understand what you're trying to say,
and I just don't want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Daniel O'Neil joining us, Danny, let's get to Mike home
grin snub last night by the Hall of Fame. The
voting procedure makes it challenging these days, so Sterling Sharpe
gets in probably the expense of his former coach, Mike Holmgren.
I'll just open it up and get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
I am legitimately perplexed as to why this is happening,
and I know that the change in the rules made
it a little more complicated this time. But what I
don't understand is that I think that everybody has a
really good understanding of Mike's career.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
And he's not like he's.

Speaker 8 (26:30):
Not someone unless I've just completely missed it.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
I think people genuinely like Mike.

Speaker 8 (26:37):
So what baffled to me is that he's clearly, in
my mind, he's it's so clear he's got a Hall
of Fame resume. He came and became the head coach
at two different places that had gone through extended periods
of no success. The Packers had had completely fallen off

(26:59):
in that nineteen eighties time frame, and the Seahawks worked
this perpetually mediocre team that had had really one breakthrough
in the in the early eighties under Chuck Knox, and
in both cases he made the Packers and then the
Seahawks into not just perennial playoff teams.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
He went to three Super Bowls.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
There aren't that many coaches who have taken two different
teams to a Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
There are now more than when he had done it,
but I think he was the third or the fourth, YEP.
So it baffles me that there isn't that push.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
And I know it's hard to get coaches in and
I know, but it's really puzzling to me that he
has stood there on the cusp for this long.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Danny, I'll wrap it up with this because the immediate
anger from Seahawks fans and Packer fans god strange bedfellows
those are with all the playoff history. But the media
anger is is understandable. And then the name calling, the
point of the fingers the committee doesn't know what they're doing
and they're idiots or this and that. I mean, I
don't know who's on there. I know sand and that's
about it. So I think Damn Pompeio or whatever his

(28:07):
name is, he's on there because he wrote co author
of a story today with with Mike in the Athletic.
But what would you say about you know, because you
were in that print business where the majority of Hall
of Fame votes and MVP votes and different types of
votes have been for a long time. You were in
that print business forever. What would you say about the committee?
What would you like to say to the committey? Because
it just feels like they're just missing this.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
Thing, that this should be about more than just who
presents and leads the campaign for that person. In what
I've seen in my time, and I've never voted for
the Hall of Fame. I voted for some of the awards,
but I've never been on that Hall of Fame committee.
That it's really tied to people who make the case
and how they politic for that, and that there needs

(28:49):
to be more of a look at can you explain
this era of football without this person? I don't think
you can explain that the twenty years that Mike spend
as a coach without having Mike Hongren, Without having Mike
Holmgren there as the person who led the Packers to
the Super Bowl, then went to the Seahawks, led that
franchise to the super Bowl. The lineage of working with quarterbacks,

(29:13):
that's really what it should be. And it seems like
kind of from the outside that a lot of it
gets tied into who becomes the zealot or who becomes
the person that is pushing this individual candidate, and it
needs to be more about who recognizing the defining people

(29:34):
for errors of football, and Mike Holmgren absolutely, in my mind,
has to be in that.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Tell people about that dang apostrophe.

Speaker 12 (29:41):
Danny Well, it is a place where occasionally we will
turn to American philosophers to parse the difference between lies
and colpies. And if you would like to see such
heady remuneration, such heady intellectualizing of bo vine manure, you
can slann.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Up at Danny O'Neil dot com and they can get
a chuckle now.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And then I do, I know, I do, And I
appreciate when I see it. I see I appreciate when
I see my inbox.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, you are the bringer of chuckles.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I I appreciate my inbox when I see it from
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taking the week off. That's a JEsum In decision. I

(30:32):
will talk to you guaranteed in two weeks time. All right,
that sounds great.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
I hope everybody has a great weekend. Enjoy the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Thanks Dandy. Danny O'Neil joining us as he does every
Friday afternoon. All Right, we'll take a break, come back,
uh some kind of put a bowl on the hell
homegroom thoughts for now and then, Robbie Tobek top of
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Speaker 2 (32:32):
The Danny comments and we'll talk to Robbie Tobek at
the top of the hour. Math is I noticed last night.
I saw the kind of the stuff that Sandal and
Sandel wrote about this morning in The Athletic and Mike
joined us on. He'll join us on Monday for his
regular visit. The thing with that, Mike was pointing out,
you know, there's the math involved with guys getting in

(32:56):
and how it works with the non modern day player
player side of things. I was just I don't know, man,
I get making it hard. I think we all understand
making it hard. What what Danny said there at the
end I think is true. And I'm gonna be very
careful how I say this, because I assume it was
Sando that that was the one that was pumping that

(33:18):
was presenting Mike Holme Grin.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I would agree with that and eight tracks.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Okay, so this is zero disrespect to Mike. None I
think Mike has. If Mike isn't one of the most
respected people in that room, then I've got even a
bigger issue with that room than I think most of
us thought initially. I'm gonna wonder this one out loud, Jess. Okay,
if John Clayton was still with us, with Mike ho

(33:42):
logrinna be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yes, well, okay, he would have been the Mike Sando in.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
The room and Mike still been there. Yeah it Sando,
take I don't, I don't. I think they were in
there together.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
They were in there together, and I just know that
they are. They were so close, and they would have
the same mindset about who deserves it.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Would be a second voice that would be pumping up
Mike would be the second voice is Mike Sando or
the second voices is John.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
And John was extremely passionate and I know this having
worked with him for a very long time, which I
know that you have as well, that he would have
been extremely passionate about Honger and getting in.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, I and I just I think what Danny's point was,
we needed a second loud voice maybe in there in
addition to Sando. Is what it sounds like, just because
the way the process works, you know, and I you know,
because the other like if we just go to the
other side for a second and and I'll just I'll
bring it's the modern day player. So it's a different

(34:44):
it's a different vote, like, it's a different a different
pool to vote from, right to come from. But Eric
Allen got in yesterday as a Hall of Famer. He
had one first team All Pro and it came in
the second year of his career. Now, he put together

(35:04):
a really nice career. But my goodness, one of the
things I saw written up about him getting in was
that he was a six time pro bowler. For God's sakes, man,
everyone's a pro bowler, right, No, Yeah, Drake may was
a pro bowler this year. Hm, you cannot in any way,

(35:29):
shape or muse that as a resume piece for the
Hall of Fame. Luke Keighley doesn't get in. I there
is a little baseball elem in here, like, oh, first
time you know, Eli Manning's a great debate. I think
You can have the Eli Manning debate all day long.
Never the best player, never even really won the top

(35:50):
three or four players in his position when he played.
But he did win two Super Bowls and MVPs and
all that stuff. But like Luke Keikley five first Team
All Pros, I'll say the first Jess five first Team
All Pros during a time when he was playing at
the same time as Bobby Wagner, who was also becoming

(36:11):
a first team All Pro. Those are the two inside
linebackers that dominated the first team All Pros. He's five times,
Bobby six time first Team All Pro and then a
number of second team All Pros for Bobby. Here's what
scares me and and this is this will be the
just the Seattle paranoia for a second. All right, bear
with You've gotta get a break.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I know it's fair.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
This is the Seattle paranoia. Luke Keikley didn't get in
with five first team All Pros. Mike Holmgren still hasn't
got in. And obviously Keckley has no react connection to
us outside of a couple of playoff battles. But is
Bobby Wagner gonna get snubbed on his first Bobby Wagner
is a first ballot Hall of Famer by Reds. But

(36:50):
but Jess, no he's not because if Luke Keikley's not
getting in with five first team All pros. And I
know he played a lot shorter amount of time than
Bobby and he played eight years. Well, that we just
set the standard Sterling Sharp can get in with a
short career. I don't get the process, but I'll leave
it at that. I want to do this. I like

(37:11):
I said at the start of the show, and I
really want to continue this. I want to celebrate Mike.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think Mike deserves that.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Yes, And we have a lot of people that have
celebrated him throughout this stay that we'll.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
We're going to add one more of that list, Rodney
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All right, course I choose Chill Hall of Fame. Last night,
no way to put it. They stumped Mike Hombren yet again. Inexplicable.
But we'll continue to discuss it throughout the day, and
more importantly, we'll celebrate Mike Holmgren. The coach the man.
Uh just a just a bummer all the way around.
But we're here to celebrate Mike today and that's what
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Speaker 3 (39:01):
I miss my people.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I know they miss you too. But we're here hanging
out today until three o'clock with a lot to discuss,
including what happened last night, and that of course was
the fact that Mike Hombren yet again did not get
into the Hall of Fame, to the dismay of us.
I know one of those people would be the center
for the Seattle Seahawks first ever Super Bowl team for

(39:23):
seven years a Seahawk, thirteen years in the National National
Football League, and a coup as well, which puts him
at the very top of the list in terms of
all time greats with the Seahawks exactly. That puts him
at the dairy top of it. And a guy that,
and we'll tell stories, a guy that, for some reason
every week when Mike Combrean spends an hour with us
in the studio every Wednesday, Jess. Every week, this guy's

(39:46):
name gets brought up by Mike Omran every single week.
Robbie Tobeck, Welcome to the show. How are you.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
Well.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
I'm doing pretty good. I hope, I hope at least
some of the time he's talking good about me. You know,
he'd like to. He likes to kind of stick it
in and twist it a little bit sometimes with the
knife there. But that's all right. I guess I deserve
some of it.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, it's I think, honestly, every time he speaks of
you in glowing terms, even when we're having fun discussing
some of the the actions of it back in the day.
So and I mean, he's just you were a huge
part of everything, and you were there with Mike that
the entire time. I'll just open it up for you, Robbie.
What was your reaction when you heard once again your
coach didn't get.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
In Well, frankly, disbelief.

Speaker 8 (40:30):
You know.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
I when I found out, you know, I thought I
just thought this year was the year, you know, I
thought that you know, he'd been he'd been passed by
and he's a finalist again, and you know, hey, they
got to make things right this year. Sometimes a guy
has to go a couple of rounds but eventually gets in.
And I just thought this year was going to be
the year. You know, you look at the finalist and

(40:51):
you say, hey, you know, Mike Homer's got as good
a resume as any of those guys, and and uh
certainly has a in my opinion, a better resume than
than some of the coaches that are in the Hall
of Fame now. So it's it's hard to explain. It's
hard to know what these voters are thinking and and

(41:11):
you know what their feelings are on it, but it's, uh,
it's it's quite a disappointment for him to not get
in there this year.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I yeah, I agree. I think a lot of us
up here, Robbie, have spent so much time over the
last year, and every time this comes and goes he
doesn't get in. We spent a lot of time talking about,
you know, Mike's resume. I spent I know, I'm probably
guilty of it. I spent a lot of time being bitter,
saying how did this guy get in over Mike? And
you know, we didn't play for him, but we've been
really lucky because he comes in and he's a part

(41:39):
of our radio station, and and you know, this guy's
he sawt of the Earth. He's as good as human
being as there is, and then you look at the
football resume, it's unbelievable. I wanted to kind of make
today more of a celebration of who he is. And
that's why it's great to have you on. I asked
Walter Jones during our hockey pre game show the other
night on TV, of all things, I asked Walter what
made him special? And he just said, you know, he's

(42:00):
he raised the level in Seattle, and and you know,
and he's he's a Hall of Fame coach. Kind of
just a paraphrase, So I'll ask you the same thing.
Why is Mike Holmbgan a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Well, one of the one of the reasons I wanted
to come to Seattle was to play for my homeroom,
because I knew we were going to be good if
he was our coach. And uh, I think certain coaches
have reputations of of just being winners and being great coaches,
and I think number one, he deserves to be in
the Hall of Fame because he is a winner. You know,
he won it as an assistant coach he wanted as

(42:32):
a head coach in Green Bay, he took a team,
a franchise that never never sniffed the Super Bowl before,
you know, maybe one championship game that they lost in
the past, and took us to a super Bowl. You know,
he's a difference maker. And and uh, you know he
was his West Coast offense. I mean, he's you know,
he's he's part of that whole whole tree of of

(42:52):
of guys, the coaches that that have come out of
his coaching tree. I mean, he's just a winner. But
I think as a player, for my perspective, the reason
I love playing for him was, uh, I always thought
he was fair, most fair coach I'd ever played for.
You know, when when when you know, Mike would get
after us, and and he'd get after us when you

(43:13):
know he needed to and when it was fair and
when we deserved it, but he'd also pat us on
the back. And you know, there's not too many coaches
that that that can find that balance. And and I
love the fact that when we did do good and
when when you know, things were going well, he you know,
he'd pat us on the back and he'd let us
know that he was proud of us. And you know,
I think the biggest thing, you know, besides that is

(43:36):
you knew Mike cared, you know, almost to a fault sometimes.
But to have a coach that's going to care almost
to a fault, that's a rare thing in the NFL,
and and that's one reason I, you know, I just
cherished my time planning for him.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Robbie Tobeck joining us here, former Seahawk and of course
a long time NFL or thirteen years in the National
Football League, former coog as well. Talking about Mike Hombran,
I like the part when you say he's fair, because
you know, when we do tell stories every Wednesday and
he's kind of going through some stuff, it feels like
Mike Comrian was that guy there was and I don't
mean this in a procracy. There's almost two sides of him.

(44:11):
There's the gentle giant part of him that is intimidating
and he demands there's a there's a level of accountability
I think Robbie that feels like would come with Mike
Omberan coaching you that maybe doesn't always exist in today's sports,
In any sport at any level, it's like there, but
there's a level of accountability, but there's also a level
of levity as well. He let you guys be you.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
I felt like, oh yeah, there's no question, you know.
And and and you know, I was a guy that
you know, I guess I just understood him. Like when
he in practice, he'd get mad at us and he'd say,
the starters, you know, like O line and training camp
and we're doing goal line drill and the D lines
just you know, they're there, and a goal line drill

(44:52):
in training camp with the D line, you can't move
those guys, right. And Homer knew it, but you know,
but he he wanted us. You know, see, let's who's tough.
Let's see who's gonna say something. Let's see who's going
to do something. So he just he's just staying in
there and staying there, and he's looking and he's looking
in the huddle, and I can see him like he's
waiting for a guy. You know, he's waiting for a
guy to say something. He's waiting for a guy. And

(45:13):
you know, of course I never had a problem saying anything.
So so I would jump at those things. I kind
of always understood what he wanted and and uh but yeah,
he he just was He was just one of those guys.
And you know he had a sense of humor.

Speaker 13 (45:27):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
A little joke he played on me one time at
the end of It's towards the end of my career
last year or two, and he said, hey, you know,
the coaches they gave me. They gave me a bad
time about being short all the time. I'm six three,
but apparently that's pretty short for an offensive lineman in
the nash Football So they gave me a bad time
about it all the time. So so he he says, hey,

(45:52):
the coaches took up a collection.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
We got a guy.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
We're going to have our annual Coaches Award. This is
the first year for it, and it's a it's a
guy that you know, he's unsung and he doesn't get
the attention he deserves. And he goes on and on
and these accolades and stuff, and and he goes this
year's recipient is is is Robbie Tobak. And you know
I got lumped up. You know, I got a lump
in my throat you know, I was, you know, I

(46:16):
was honored. Well, he reaches in this box and he
pulls out a little mini set of golf clubs.

Speaker 11 (46:27):
You know, and you know, so then I get like, oh,
that's all a joke. But in the meantime, what all the.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Things he was saying was, you know, I was, I
thought it was serious, and I was getting choked up
a little bit about it. And then he pulls out
that many set of golf clubs. I said, all right, coach,
I got you.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
He probably everything, He probably meant everything he said. He
just he just had to give you be able to
bust your chops at the end. That's all right.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's fine. That's why my
kids enjoyed there and night set of Cleveland golf clubs
for clubs for my little kids. So they kids enjoyed
hitting the ball with them.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Oh even better. Robbie Tobak joy here, what was the
Halsbeck told us a story yesterday about there was a
time that was during training camp for a practice and
and it might have been right after Mac got here,
Dilferd was standing you. You and dilfer are on the
sidelines kind of kneeling down watching it thing, and Mike
lost his mind and came over and said that it's
something about depending on YouTube guys and kind of basically

(47:20):
kind of a shot at Matt in the process. Do
you remember that one?

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Oh yeah, that was uh, you know, Ryan Lindell. I'll
tell you what. There's not too many guys with with
one second left on the clock and a fifty yard
field goal. I'll take Ryan Lindell all day long. But
in practice he would go on exactly, and in practice
he would he would miss ten in a row though, okay,
it would be it would Lindell start hitting himself in

(47:46):
a helmet and Hongren would be losing his mind, all right.
And Dilfer and I we're halfway down the field. He's
taking a knee. I'm standing behind him and and he goes,
I'm looking for.

Speaker 11 (47:59):
Do guys on this team that can lead this team
where we need to go.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
And Delver was the starting quarterbacks. And he turns around.
He goes and I'm talking to YouTube right there, and
he points at us and stuff. And Delver doesn't even
turn around. He just goes. He just says, I hope
there's two guys standing behind us. I thought, Yeah, well,

(48:23):
you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna claim that.
You know, I'm not gonna claim.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
That that's that's awesome. I mean I just look back.
I mean, you guys got to the super Bowl and
obviously you know what happened there, you were jobbed. But
outside of that, you got there with a group that
was just especially on the offensive side. Robbie was incredible.
I mean, that offensive line is was just it's it's
never been replicated. I'm not sure. I mean in NFL

(48:49):
history you put that as a that's a top ten
offensive line. I mean, you've got two Hall of Famers.
You probably got made fun of for being short because
you're next to Walton hutch right, Like. I mean, everyone
looks small next those two guys. That's all. But what
was it like is for you as an offensive line
group with this guy that's a quarterback guru. Is he
good of the offensive line?

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:09):
He was, you know, and he he he trusted us.
I think over time, you know, I remember he came
to me one day and you know, when we were
trying to get things turned around, he goes, hey, you know,
if you guys don't pick you know, I'm gonna have
to make some changes, and you need to let the
guys know and this, that and the other thing. And
he never he never had to And over time we

(49:31):
earned that trust from him where he just counted on us. Hey, guys,
what do you want to run? What are you looking at?
What can I run? What can we do? And and
he really involved us and by the end of the thing,
and really I always appreciated that, you know, I thought
he appreciated us, we appreciated him. Now did he get
into the nitty gritty of technique and all the O
line play and stuff like that. No, but pass protection,

(49:55):
all those types of things I thought we had. I
really thought we had a great thing. We had such
a smart group up front. A quarterback was smart, Max Strong,
he was so smart and picking up things when we'd
changed things at the line, and you know, I just
thought we had a really good group. And I didn't,
you know, there towards the end, I didn't think there
was any defense that could do anything to us that
a we hadn't seen before and prepare before and couldn't handle.

(50:18):
And I think we've proved that on the field.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Robbie Tobeck joining us here, Robbie, I I think that
part you just talked about though, and he's he's mentioned
that to us on our segments of their week. There
wasn't dust. And I mean thirteen years in the league,
coming through college and where you came from, you played
for a lot of different guys. How unique is that
for a head coach or just even a play caller

(50:43):
to put that type of trust in the offensive line?
Like like you said, like, what do you guys think
like to ask for your feedback? Like that's that seems unique?

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Well, you know it is. I mean, it's it's especially
in today's world. I think you know, Number one, it's
hard for coaches to leg go know a little bit,
because it's their baby, right, But in today's world, you don't,
you know, guys don't guys don't play. You know, Chris
Gray and Walt and I played together for seven years, yeah, Chris,

(51:12):
Wayne Gray and Wall even longer. I mean, and how
much of that are we going to see in today's world,
you know, because guys changing teams and and uh, free
agency and and stuff like that. So it's a it's
hard to get that, and I think you need that
as an offensive line and I think you need that camaraderie.
I think you need to go through the battles together
a couple of times to figure things out. It's not

(51:35):
that you know, it's not that you don't know what
you're doing that first time. But there's there's little nuances,
there's little tricks. There's little things that you can do
and tweaks you can make that make it easier on
your buddy next to you, and and and I think
we did a good job of that. But certainly Mike,
Mike gave us the freedom to do that. He gave
us the freedom to adjust our calls and and and

(51:57):
make changes and and do things and and uh uh,
you know as well what he cared about we blocked
the guys. You know, as long as we blocked those guys,
they didn't get to his quarterback. And you know, we
were good with him. And I always appreciated that about him.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And I'll and I'll wrap it up this and Jess
can attest to this his thoughts on you guys as
a five summe, it's through the roof. And and Jess,
I mean, how many times we talk about, you know
whatever with Mike. And Mike's the greatest he might be
the best storyteller in America. And and every time he
talks about you guys, it's in such glowing terms all

(52:31):
five of you. I mean, Sean was kind of the
young guy. Chris was this wily veteran that didn't say
much right, just kind of just the ultimate pro as
Mike cause him to go, like just the ultimate professional
player and played through a lot of stuff, I believe
as well health wise. You know, you were kind of
the leader of the vocal leader. Hutch was the future
undisputed best guard in the league and at the time

(52:52):
was and of course Walt was the first ballot Hall
of Famer as well. I mean, he just he speaks
in such glowing terms of you guys. I think it's
just awesome because you know, it's it's he understood what
you guys meant to that team, and the reason that
Sean won an MVP and everything else was because of you,
And I think it's it's pretty cool. The relationship you
guys had with him was was awesome.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
Robbie, I'll say that, well, I appreciated a relationship with him,
and I knew what he wanted me to do and
what my role was and It reminds me of a story.
We're at second and ten, we're playing playing at home.
At second ten, he calls a draw play and we
get eight yards and and if Mike liked to play

(53:31):
and we were popping it, he just keep calling it sometimes, right,
and so he we line up in a different formation,
but call the same play on third and two and
then we can't, you know, we don't get the first down.
So I'm running off the field and I can see
he's making a b line for me. Now, I blocked
my guy, but I knew I was going to take

(53:54):
I was going to take the chewing for the for
the group, right, because you know, that's how it was sometimes,
and uh, and so I didn't really want to hear it,
and so I kind of angled to make him walk
faster and faster and faster. And finally as I hit
the sidelines, he's there. Man, he's greeting, can can.

Speaker 11 (54:12):
I not call that play anymore?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
And you know, because we didn't get it on third
and two, I go, what play? And knowing what he's
talking about, I go what?

Speaker 11 (54:22):
But he says, he says draw, And I said, we
just got eight.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Yards on second down.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
He did not like that.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Oh you know what when you talk about me attesting
to it, I was sitting next to Robbie when he
joined us.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
A pre game for the Holiday Bowl, and I was.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Reporting for the Koops and I told coach Holmgrin I
took a selfie with Robbie and sent it to him,
and he was just tickled and so like he was
immediately tell him, I say hi, and I love him.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
That is how he is, not just as a coach,
but as a person.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Well, I think Robbie the thing is is that you
you had a relationship with him where you were. You
were the leader that of that group, and you were
the one that was gonna you were gonna take it,
and he knew you could handle it. And that's and
then and then the quarterback was The relationship he had
with the quarterback is a special one too because him
and Matt, I know, had their battles over the years
and you know, like going back and forth and and
how things went. But uh, I think that's just big man.

(55:23):
I mean, he was just he can be. He can
get after you one second and put a put an
arm around to the next. And that's probably why one
of the many reasons the guy was so popular with
players to play for.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
I was glad that he cared enough to fuss at me,
because when they quit fussing at you, they don't care
anymore and you're on your way out. So I'll take
I'll take all the fuss and I could I need
or you know, I can get it. I guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Hey, Robbie, thank you so much for jumping on with
us today. I wish it was to celebrate him going
in the Hall of Fame, but I think still we
all get the point. We can celebrate Mike Hongrid and
we will in this sound, in this city for a
long time, much like in Green Bay as well. We
can all celebrate the greatness of Mike Hongrin and so
on day he'll get his due and be in Canton.
But looks like the wait it's going to be a
little longer. So thank you for coming on.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Yep, no, hey, thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Gokugs, there you go. That is Robbie Tobeck joining us
here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline this afternoon. Great stuff
with Robbie, and yeah, it's I think we were scheduling
all kinds of stuff today. Every show was scheduling things,
Chuck and Bucky and Ashley and Greg and Chris and
us and fine this afternoon, and and I think it

(56:28):
just we were hoping for a different outcome. We thought
there would be a different outcome. We were confident there'd
be a different action.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I think Coach was the only one that was hesitant,
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, it was odd because I just I it just
felt like a no brainer when he was named the
coaching finalist and and again we didn't all understand the
depths of the l U Sandal's term here, the math
of the of the Hall of Fame voting for that side,
but it just felt like it was a no brainer.
He was going to get in, and then it didn't happen,

(57:02):
And it's just it's it's sad, it's frustrating. I think
probably annoying is another word. We'll use that word a
lot this week. Kind of an annoying week. And that
was just kind of the caper to annoying. You know,
Jerry started it to Poto and yeah, Hall of Fame
voters finished it off.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we had a weird Wednesday, and
all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, cracking, can't find a way to win, Jerry's talking
out of both sides of his mouth, and then the
Hall of Fame snuffs home, like we need to get
out of this week.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Okay, so we're in the crevass, is what we're saying.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
So how did we climb out by hearing amazing voices
talking about everything?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
We've got so much stuff we want to get to.
We're not sure we'll get to the next segment, but
I do want to hear from Mike and from Hugh.
I kind of I think as the two guys I
want to hear from. Well, we'll kind of go through
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and of course Westwood One. All right, Mike, i'mbrin did
not get in. We're bummed, disappointed, but we'll hear from

(59:02):
Mike in a second. He was on with Chuck and
Bucket this morning. Before we get to that. I thought
I didn't hear this, but I heard it was great
Hugh Millen this morning on the Morning show talking about
Mike Holmgan and his candidacy four the Hall of Fame.
I'm dismayed.

Speaker 14 (59:22):
I know Softie's gonna just mount Softie's gonna hit a three.
I'm gonna try and keep my emotions constrained and and
just kind of make a rational point or two.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Okay, And you know, one of the ways.

Speaker 14 (59:39):
In my nerdy way of looking at the world off
and I just said, okay, let's look at the Hall
of famers. On the coaching side. Now, there's some guys.
You know, Al Davis was a coach, but that's not
wise in the Hall of Fame. Or Forrest greg it
was a coach, but that's not wise in the Hall
of Fame. He was a player, right, But the coaches
there are twenty four coaches. So what I did is,
I said, I'm gonna make a little breadsheet and I'm

(01:00:01):
gonna insert Mike Holmgren as if he was a Hall
of Famer, and then I'm gonna see how does he
rank now, So he would be in this thought experiment,
he'd be the twenty fifth coach. Got me twenty five
nice round numbers. So as I present to you these ranks,
if you hear a lot of numbers in in the

(01:00:22):
UH in the mid to mid twenties, you're gonna say, well,
maybe it's a little sketchy there. But but if you
hear numbers, obviously lower numbers means higher rank, then you're
gonna say, Okay, this guy belongs, and I'll just hit
a few of them. Now, everything the number I say
is going to be the rank where obviously one would

(01:00:43):
be the best and twenty fifth would be the worst
of the twenty five Hall of famers, got me, Yeah,
So his ranking in years coach tenth games coached, eighth wins,
eighth win lost percentage, fourteenth game's over five hundred and
twelve years in the playoff, fourth games in the playoffs,

(01:01:03):
third wins in the playoff, fifth win lost percentage in
the playoffs, eighteenth, average rank in his division, third championship seventeenth,
Super Bowl's tenth, and conference championship sixth. If you take
all those Now if I'm not gonna make this argument,
but if you just said all of those are equal,

(01:01:25):
and then you average the rank, which w'd be nine
point oh eight, that ranking would be seventh. So his
aggregate ranking out of twenty five with those stats would
be seventh. You know, if you've got the issue of
him as a that's just his head coaching. What about

(01:01:45):
what about his quarterback coaching. I mean they say Bruce
Arians is the quarterback whisper. Put Mike Homgrin's resume up
against Bruce Arians and it's a slam Duncan's. He dwarfs him.
When you consider that Steve Young had passer ratings in
the fifties and sixties at Tampa before Mike Holmgren got
hold of him in San Francisco, that Matt Hasselbeck wasn't

(01:02:09):
even invited the Combine, that Brett Farv was given away
by the Falcons. Jerry Granville couldn't couldn't stand Brett Farv.
You know, bag of cleats to get him. Well, it
was the first round draft pick and a bag of cleats.
But he was the third string quarterback and then and
then Joe Montana was already a star, but before Holmgren
got him. But the facts are he had his most

(01:02:31):
impressive Super Bowl and his two league MVPs when Mike
Holmgren was coaching him. And Bill Walsh, I'll close with this.
Bill Walsh in his book The Score Takes Care of Itself,
he goes on about how the time that they he
interviewed a bunch of coaches. He said, Mike Holmgren was
so overwhelmingly the most qualified and he said this, and

(01:02:54):
I'm quoting Bill Walsh, the best offensive coach I have
ever seen, end quote, so like, and then you know,
let's we can talk about his coaching tree and what
have you. Look, his impact on the game is is
just titanic, and I just can't see. I'm as I said,
I'm confused, perplexed. I'm certain it's unjust, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:03:19):
I think when you see that that he on those
aggregate ranks would be seventh out of twenty five if
he were a Hall of Famer today, obviously, it just
speaks loudly that he belongs.

Speaker 15 (01:03:31):
I hear you, man, and I mean, I think it's
you have a great perspective on this whole thing, being
a quarterback, and then the way in which you dissect
stuff right that we've gotten to know. I've gotten to
know in getting to know you and doing the show
with you, like this is the cerebral aspect of the
whole thing. I mean, when you had all of your
time and all the coaches you played under, Hall of

(01:03:52):
Fame coaches, you played with Hall of Fame players, you
yourself think, I mean, you can you can think along
with these guys? I mean, where does he rank as
far as the minds of someone that would have been
a mentor of yours or a coach of yours. Where
does he rank amongst all those guys that you've been
you've been around.

Speaker 14 (01:04:08):
Well, I wish at some point I had had the
opportunity to play for him. It probably wouldn't have lasted long.
He would have said, this guy can't play. I need
to shipped me out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
But it would have been.

Speaker 14 (01:04:19):
Nice to have been touched by him. But look, I
just you know, when when you hear Brett Favre say
it's the details. I coached for twenty four years at
youth in high school, and and everything in our passing
game was just like, hey, the position precision is in
the details. This is not hang a left at the
buick out playing touch football on the street. We've got

(01:04:39):
to be detail oriented. And of course at that level
where everybody has a very high level of detail, he
found a way to teach and to coach and extract
even the highest level of details.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I mean, guys that yes, we can jump out there.
That's good. Uh, that's good stuff like that. I mean, yeah,
we could listen for Hugh makes such compelling points, you know,
And I've tried not to be at the point where
I want to say that that Mike should be in
and somebody else should should not be in, but there
are I'll bring up Cowur and Dungee and others all

(01:05:13):
the time, and I can't. I can't get past that.
I'd like to, I'd like to be a bigger person
that I can't get past that. But let's hear from
Mike Hongren. We got about three minutes I think of
Mike right from this morning. And uh and here's Mike
Holmegrun's reaction. Well, you know what I'm doing.

Speaker 16 (01:05:27):
Okay, I'm dis If I didn't say I was disappointed,
I wouldn't be truthful. But uh, the girls and Kathy,
I got to round them up. I gotta, I gotta
get them going in the right direction again. They're pretty,
they're pretty sad about it, but it's you know, it
is what it is. And and uh so we're okay,
we'll be okay.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Well that's typical Hall of Fame, Mike Holmgren.

Speaker 15 (01:05:49):
I mean, the stuff off the field I think is
something that needs to be noted as well, and the
fact that you're in the midst of, you know, some
disappointing news and you're thinking, well, this, wrangle the girls
up and make sure that they're all pointing in the
same direction. Anything in particular that you're gonna do to
to take your mind off it or take their minds
off of it.

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
No, you know what, we were gonna get everyone together
to watch the super Bowl, so that'll be fun.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
And no, they just sent me.

Speaker 16 (01:06:17):
It was interesting on my phone. They sent pictures for
the last I don't know, twenty years dealing with all
the you know, the pictures I was with with their grandkids,
and it's really fun. And so now they're just real
supportive and they care a lot. So I appreciate that.
But they also know, and I've told you guys this too,

(01:06:39):
that my number one thing was to earn the respect
of the guys that coached against you know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Well, you've certainly done that.

Speaker 17 (01:06:51):
I mean, we had Brett on just this morning, and man,
I hope you get a chance to re listen to
that interview at some point, because it was spectac acculate
to hear him talk about you and what you meant
to him. So and then Walter has been on earlier
this week, and so you've certainly earned that. As a
matter of fact, the entire country has been left scratching
its head. We can't figure out how this hasn't happened yet,

(01:07:14):
and and so.

Speaker 18 (01:07:16):
I would just ask, I mean, I mean, obviously this
is the greatest honor. I don't think you got into
coaching with the idea that my goal is to someday
be in Canton.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:07:26):
Maybe you did, But now that you're here, and now
that this process, this grueling process pops up every year,
how difficult is it for you to manage this and
to manage these disappointments?

Speaker 16 (01:07:40):
Well, you know, you're right, Chuck. I never you never
think you're going to wind up in a position like
this with a chance to go in the Hall of Fame.
That's that doesn't happen. So but I've been close. And
I think that's the hard part this time because they
changed the rules a little bit and before instead of

(01:08:01):
just having a coaches category, and now they're they've bundled it,
you know, with the seniors and so on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
But yeah, it's it's just.

Speaker 16 (01:08:12):
It's hard because you know, the excitement was there and
I thought this was the year and uh, because of
the because of the way of the setup was. Guys
went Vermeil phoned me and said, this is you know,
all the guys have gone in said this is a
slam dunk, but clearly it wasn't.

Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
So But like I said, you move on.

Speaker 16 (01:08:34):
You lose a Super Bowl, you're in the tank for
a week, and then you move on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
So that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
A couple of quick thoughts to wrap this segment up.
One would be heartbreaking to hear him get emotional.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Also what it makes him him?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
You know he mentioned, you know, respect to your peers
based and you know players, coaches, he played, you know,
coach with against et cetera. I mean, he has that.
I think that's what's frustrating to me is that that's
not who's voting on this. Yeah, it's it's it's a
bunch of media guys that are sitting.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
In a room.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
And we had one there that knows everything about him
and exactly and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, you know Sandal push for him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I know, right, So it's like, wouln't the rest of
the people trust that person?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Well, the math, as Mike explained, it and is calling
this one. In the athletic the math is hard eighty
percent when you start splitting votes becomes really challenging. I'm
just in whatever you do, almost almost every profession out there,
I think you would hope to be respected by those

(01:09:53):
you work with, work for, work under you, work over you,
and and compete against you. Yeah, And I mean I
know that, honestly, That's all I care about. In my
two careers in radio and TV, I just want to
be I want to be respected and by those that
know the business, that know what we do and how

(01:10:15):
we do it. I'm in TV or radio, and and
in Mike's case in football, I don't think there's any
doubt that anybody that's been around and respects him to
the Hall of Fame level, and the players obviously, I mean, God,
what a great week. And just a shout out to you,
Jess Ashley, Chris Jackson and everyone involved. I mean, we

(01:10:38):
just we had a great week celebrating Mike Hongrind and
he heard for so many players ex players on this
radio station and guys that played for him or coaches
that coached under him, like Mike Sherman on with Greg
Today and all that, without a doubt. The guy's a
Hall of Famer, he's so well respected, so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
And that's why we continue to celebrate him, regardless of
what fancy pants is in New York or wherever the
heck they are care about.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
He doesn't need some jacket, well he does.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
He deserves, but he deserves it, and he'll get it.
He'll get it it probably away, probably two years away.

Speaker 13 (01:11:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
And unfortunately, what that does is it also means that
guys like Shanahan and others that are also in line
are probably going to be delayed. What I'll be, what
I will snap on and we will have to have
conversations with Sando and others, is if we all get
Belichick and where he's at, that's going to happen next year. Yes,
If in two years time Mike Combrin goes from being
a finalist to being passed by Mike Shanahan or somebody else,

(01:11:41):
then we've got an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I have an issue right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
No, I know you do. I know you we all do.
We all do, trust me, But I think in two years.
What does worry me is that in two years, all
of a sudden, he's not the coaching finalist anymore he
gets pass by somebody that he just passed this year.
There's if there's a pecking order that it's his turn
in two years. It's as simple as that. It has

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Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Hey? Ian?

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
I'm good.

Speaker 10 (01:13:17):
What's going on, Buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Good to hear from you. Well, Unfortunately, another loss last night.
I don't even want to dwell on it. I'm not gonna.
I just want to ignore it. It happen again. They
lose to Toronto. They go one three and one on
their home stand. The playoffs are are very much in
the rear view mirror, and we move on trade deadline
coming up. One more game before the two week four
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(01:13:39):
we like to say, at Calgary, and then two weeks
off we come back and we're a couple of weeks
away from the trade deadline, which will probably be active
for the Kraken. That's not what I want to talk about, Mike.
I don't want to talk about the hockey team struggling. Instead,
I'll put it this way, sir, You, as the host
and the captain of the KRACK and Hockey Network here

(01:14:01):
on KJR, the flagship station, you will have some free
time starting about April tenth, eleventh, somewhere in there. I
know you want to golf. Where are you today, sir?

Speaker 10 (01:14:12):
I am at the Seattle Golf Show right here at
the Seattle Convention Center. And this is why this job rolls,
because if I were to be told about probably five,
six ten, maybe fifteen years ago, that hey, you get
to work the NHL game on the air, and then hey,
the very next day you get to go do something
and report back on it that has to do with

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one of your favorite things outside of hockey, and that's
playing golf.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Pinch me.

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
I mean, I mean, I think a bouquet of flowers
are going to Purple Sheets office here for this. I
think for sure. It's it's it's it's awesome like it.
It's it's a it's a wall to wall exhibit of
top brands in this entire place, simulators prizes. You can
come on down and get four rounds of uh, you know,

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golf free balls while they last. And to Seattle Times
is behind this as well. There's a putting green exhibit.
Say both save bill construction is a big part of
this thing. And I bout blew about two putts almost
right past the hole, you know, by ten feets, so
I think it Legit feels like a private country club green.
So it's really cool for your next backyard projects. So

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we're about an hour and a half there into this
thing and more along hair Stars.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
But you can.

Speaker 10 (01:15:28):
Enjoy and experience here at the Seattle's All Show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Well, listen, my friend, enjoy it down there. Grab me.
I need some golf balls. I lost a couple of
last time we played, which was you know, at Softiest
place here a little while ago. So you know, if
you've got uh, you got some golf balls, go ahead and.

Speaker 6 (01:15:45):
Break it toffee losing golf balls again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Now we were you know why, wecause our pace of
play was so slow because the guy in front of
us kept licking his finger holding up into the wind.
I don't know who that guy was. Oh my.

Speaker 10 (01:15:57):
Roll me under the bush.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Take swell.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Groom man was doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yes, yes, to the point where ash I was riding
with Ashley Ryan and we're yelling at you, and then
finally Softy just drives right by you and skips a hole,
blows by purple sheet, blows by the whole force up
in front of us. The ad D kicked in or
something happened there and he was gone. So uh no, listen, Uh,
that's not a bad place to be.

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
I'm happy.

Speaker 10 (01:16:23):
This is why I'm happy social media did not exist
when I played high school golf, because there would be
just no way out and no.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Escape for me.

Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
And I think, as far as I'm concerned, once I
got done playing competitive golf, you can't teach no old
dog nude treks. As far as I'm concerned. It's the
same thing over and over and over. So yeah, I
set myself up for that one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Here's what I need you to do. While you're at
the Seattle Golf Show, sir, walk your way around. Look
for look for a little thing called and their youthing
is going to be legal on the PGA Tour for
all events, not just the PGA Championship soon. Look for
a little thing called a range finder. It'll help you,
It'll help your pace a place, sir. All right, I
want to see it. In fact, I might have to
require that in your hand before you play in the

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Mayor and Maple Valley Open in July.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
All right, every Father's Day. That's what I get my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
There you go, there you go. So and mikey one
other thing ready, Yeah, go buy the Callaway booth. Ask
for bags, bags, like the golf bag. Just hey, his
bags here and if bags is there, the oka is
bags there. Say hey, you work with me and and
you need the hookup. You need the furnest hookup at Callaway,

(01:17:30):
all right, ask for but ask for bags. Bags is
There'll take care of you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
You.

Speaker 10 (01:17:34):
You have no idea how much cracking broadcast folks are
rock stars here. I'm gonna go back there. I just
came from the massoon old boots and apparently J. C.
Brown is funny bis with everyone in that booth right there.
He might be upgrade in here to play, but like
it's unreal, like you guys all get around for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Well, no, I just go bags bags, bags is my guy.
You just go say, because I heard you needed a
new hybrid or new and your seven would so go
go take the bags at Callaway. All right, Mike, have
a great time down there today. See how Golf Show
down there Convention center right, that's where it's out all
today and tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:18:06):
Yep, today and tomorrow is Seattlegolfshow dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
For more and so love it. Talk to soon that's
Mike Benton. You'll hear him tomorrow. He'll beginning when he
comes on the air at six thirty for the Cracking
and Calgary on the Flames final game before the two
week break. We'll take a break, come back, great co sell.

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Headlines and hell I's brought to by frostpreed Corps. I
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Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
It's time for Egan's weekly visit with NFL Films Greg Coso,
brought to you by Seattle Cider Company on your home
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Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Ah, we head to the big easy New Orleans, Louisiana,
and look at this bonus bonus bonus day. I think
he's done this basically for the last ten years or
so with us, since we've had him on the But
you never know what the schedule of one Great Coselle
is gonna look like during Super Bowl week. But Lo
and behold, he found some time for his good friends

(01:20:09):
Ian and Jefsonman here on KJAR in Seattle. Hello, sir,
how are you.

Speaker 11 (01:20:14):
Ian?

Speaker 13 (01:20:14):
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
It's you know, it's it's the day as Pete Carroll
would say, it's the day before the day before super
Bowl was on Sunday, two days away.

Speaker 13 (01:20:25):
And it's funny. I just was spending a little time
here on Radio Row with Kevin Harlan, who's doing the game,
you know, on your radio. So because Kevin's a great guy,
I've known him for a long long time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Well, I love the promo too, Greg Cosell talking to
Kevin Harlan, who's calling the game here on KJR on Sunday,
that we absolutely there you go, there you go, And
I gotta tell you I'm gonna I'm gonna appeal the
curtain back a little bit, Jess and Greg if.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I can always love it when you pull that on,
I know that you love.

Speaker 13 (01:20:53):
I don't know. I don't know what's coming now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
And no, no, because normally we Greg normally joins us
at one o'clock on a Friday or the football season,
and normally we tape that a little before the show
on a zoom. It's just like we can see each other,
makes a conversation better. So this is a new experience
for me. I don't see you. I'm just I'm just
talking to you from radio row. So you know, I
trust things will go well. But it's a little different

(01:21:16):
for me. You usually have to see Greg's smiling face
usually right. Usually he's got the a suit on for
doing a DESPN matchup show, and I've got a baseball
hat on. I don't look as good. But no, it's
it's great to have you on, man. I know you're
really busy down there. Great, Hey, paint us the picture.
What's the virue? You've been to a lot of these
radio rows. What's it like down there in New Orleans?

Speaker 11 (01:21:36):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:21:37):
Well, I would say I got here Wednesday. Thursday is
always the biggest day. Thursday is when pretty much everybody
comes through, and even Friday morning until around nude. Then
it starts to slowly settle down, like now, because it's
what I think, it's four o'clock here, so it's it's
starting to settle down. A lot of the stations are leaving,

(01:21:57):
and tomorrow it'll be a ghost town, obviously on radio,
because everything's over. But it's great. I love coming because
I see a lot of friends that I see, you know,
once a year, maybe twice a year if they go
to the Combine, and so I really enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
It before I get into the super Bowl matchup, and
we're gonna definitely get into that and talk about that
quite a bit. And that's why we love having your
expertise to get everybody ready for the game. Again. You
can hear it here on KJR iHeartRadio app as well
on Fox Television here locally in Seattle. So before we
get to the game, we're a little upset up here today.
The process is what it is. But the fact that

(01:22:31):
our guy Mike Hombrin did not get into the Hall
of Fame, we thought he had a great chance this
year as a coaching finalist. Greg, you know the game
well and is better well or is better than anybody
I know. Is Mike Hombrian in your mind the Hall
of Famer?

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:22:45):
I think he is. I don't have a vote, obviously, so,
but I think he is. You know, the Hall of
Fame it ends up being so subjectively and as you know,
I mean, you know, I know a lot of the voters.
In fact, guys often call me and answering my opinion.
They asked me where I think the players that are
up and whether I think they're Hall of famers or not,
you know, and it's so hard, but I mean, Mike

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Holmgren was really really successful at the highest levels, and
I to me, he's a Hall of Fame coach. And
I think you know, I'll tell you. Let me tell
you one very quick story. Sterling Sharp got in this year.
And Sterling Sharp used to be in NFL films every
every week, you know, back oh, a number of years ago,
and I got to know him pretty well when he

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was there, and something he said always resonated with me,
and this, in and of itself should make Mike Homgren
a Hall of Famer. He said that Brett Farr would
have been out of the league in three years if
it wasn't for Mike Holmgren. And and that might be
crazy to some people, but obviously Sterling Sharp was there
every day and he saw it. So when he said
that to me, it really resonated. And like I said,

(01:23:49):
just that thought in and of itself seems to me
to be something really special.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I would agree. Ends up three MVPs later, in Super
Bowl with Brett Farr. So yeah, that worked out. That
worked out, okay for Brett Fah. I think you're right.
And you know, Matt Hasselbeck was a three time pro bowler.
You go through the whole list of guys. Joe Montana
wasn't a league MVP until Mike took over to the
OC in San Francisco, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 13 (01:24:11):
But uh, hohole, funny, if I could jump in, if
I could jump in real quick. You mentioned Matt Hasselbeck,
who I know very well too, and spend a lot
of time today and yesterday on Radio Row talking with
him because I've known him forever. And you know, think
about that for a minute. Matt Hasselbeck was not a
high round draft choice. He obviously was Green Bay. Then
he went to Seattle and Holm grin, you know, and

(01:24:32):
Matt would agree with this homewould made him a great quarterback.
I mean, I don't think people realize how hard that is,
because Matt was not one of those guys that came
now where everybody said, oh, that guy's a camp this guy,
and you know, that's really hard to do. And I'm
not sure people realize how.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Hard, that is, I don't think the voters did. And
you're right, because Matt was a sixth round draft pick.
At one point, he was a four string quarterback in
Green Bay, and Mike saw something in and brought him
to Seattle, played behind Dil for a little bit and
then took over and the rest is history. On the
way to a Super Bowl inn NFC championship, Greg Coselle,
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Game on Sunday, the Super Bowl on Sunday and see
what you can pick up. Of course, look forward to
local grocery stores as well. Let's get to the matchup
as we get ready for this, I think it's just
a I mean, I'm really excited for this game, and
I guess probably not many Super Bowls you're not. I'm
not excited for, but I'm excited for this game coming
up this weekend as well. And yeah, well I'll explain

(01:25:34):
a good I got a funny story I'll give to
you later with a guy up here at the Solumba Casino. Greg.
Let's let's start on the on the Philadelphia offensive side
of the football against the Kansas City defense. We all
know Saquon Barkley and and then the rest of the crew.
So how do spag Nola's defense match up in your
mind with what Philadelphia wants to do offensively?

Speaker 13 (01:25:55):
Yeah, and I think this is where you have to
get into the weeds a little bit. We all know
that they have to stop Barkley, So the question is how,
and we none of us know the answer to that.
But I would not be surprised to see some five
man fronts, some reduced fronts, some things that are a
little different than he's consistently done throughout the season. Now,

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Fags has always been a believer in playing a lot
of man coverage on the outside, a lot of press.
I think he'll do that and he'll live with that,
and who knows, maybe the Eagles will come out and
be a little more aggressive and have Jalen Hurts attack
on the outside versus mcduffy, and whether it's Johnson or
Watson at the other corner, and attack outside the numbers

(01:26:36):
with some vertical throws to see if they can do
that early in the game with Brown and DeVonta Smith.
But I think you'll see Spags be really multiple with
his front looks and especially getting maybe you know, that
fifth defender on the ball, just because that changes the
blocking patterns and the blocking schemes. But you're dealing with
an all line that's seventeen hundred plus pounds. I think

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it's the biggest a line in the history of the game,
and that's really a difficult group. They wear you out
over the course of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
What is it about Saquon Barkley and just I mean,
he's you know, the two thousand yards rushing. There were
seventeen opportunities for teams to stop him and slow him
down in the regular season, and now there's been what
three more here in the playoffs as well. No one's
been able to do it. On occasion, he'll go two yards,
two yards, and then sixty. It feels like he's like

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he's almost like a home run hitter in baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
It feels like like he can You might punch him
out a couple of times with a three pitch strikeout,
but then he's gonna come back and hit a you know,
a grand Slam home run. So what is it about
Barkley that makes him anique and special?

Speaker 8 (01:27:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:27:39):
And I think the key thing is the long runs.
I mean, look, there there's a lot of great backs,
and normally you think about the passing game being the
way in which teams get big explosive plays. The Eagles
have been a little animate to that with a run
game giving them big explosive plays. And it feels inevitable
when you watch the Eagles that at some point in

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the game might be the first play, like in the
NFC Championship game, might be in the third quarter, might
be in the fourth quarter that he's going to break
off the sixty yard run. It just feels inevitable. I mean,
the one stat that is really striking to me and
takes nothing away from Barkley, but he's got far and
away the most yards before any contact of any back
in the league. And that speaks to the old line

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as well obviously, But Barkley's run better this year than
he ever has because in an odd way, he was
not really a sustaining back prior to this year. Now
he's become one. So in other words, even beside the
sixty yard run, if it's blocked for three, he gets seven.
And that's a big deal because the Eagles are a
four down defense and that changes the way you have

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to play them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:44):
On defense.

Speaker 13 (01:28:44):
They are a four down offense. You know, when they
get to fourth and three, they're going for it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
I'm wondering in your mind as we look at this game,
and I've kind of I asked this question to a
few guys this week along the way, is is there
a how do I want to put that? Is there
is there an X factor on that offense? And I
maybe even throw at you, like, can Dallas Goddard be
kind of an X factor for Philadelphia?

Speaker 13 (01:29:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
And he could be.

Speaker 13 (01:29:13):
To me, I think the X factor is more AJ
Brown in the sense that I think the Eagles will
have opportunities to attack outside the numbers. And that's the
strength of Hurts. Hurts is not a between the numbers thrower.
He doesn't see the field really well that way. An
amazing thing in the NFC Championship game, and is he
did not throw one ball in the entire game between

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the numbers on the field. You know, that's just not
the way he sees the game. But I think they're
going to take some shots. So I think a J.
Brown Devine to Smith, I view those guys as potential
X factors in this game because I think the Eagles
are going to take some shots and look to hit
the big play because they know they're going to get
man coverage on the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
That's a good secondary though you talk, I mean, we
know McDuffie's from out here, we know Hicks and and
Jalen Watson from out here. I mean two Koog's and
a Husky from out here. That's a good secondary that
the Kansas City has.

Speaker 13 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and it'll be interesting because this is a dime
defense on third down and in passing situations, pure pass situations,
the Chiefs played dime as a very high percentage. I
think they were second or third in the league percentage wise,
playing about a quarter of their defensive snaps in dime.
And Hicks at Washington State safety has really fit in nicely.

(01:30:31):
He plays he's their dime safety, but he also plays
snaps in nickel in sort of rotation with Cook, So
you know he's become a critical piece to what they do.
So it'll be interesting to see how often they play
in their sub defense against this offense. So and again
that gets into personnel formations. There's so many elements in
any game, but obviously everything's magnified in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
It is great co sale brought to you by Seattle Sider. Okay,
on the side of the football, it's starts with the
quarterback Patrick Mahomes. It's yesterday they had the NFL Awards,
and you know, it's Lamar Jackson, and it's it's it's
Allen And all of a sudden, you're like, well, whatever
happened to Patrick Mahomes? Isn't he used an MVP candidate

(01:31:15):
every year by his standards? The stats weren't. The stats
weren't normally what he normally throws up in a regular season.
But boy, it comes to Super Bowls and ANFC Championship games,
it kind of starts and ends with number fifteen, doesn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:31:29):
Yeah, And two things about both quarterbacks and then we'll
get to Mahomes is they don't turn the ball over.
And I think that can't be overstated how important that is,
especially when you have good defenses, because when the other
team has to go seventy five eighty eighty five yards
to score on a consistent basis, that's really hard to
do against both Vick Fanjoe and Steve Spagnolo. But the

(01:31:51):
Chiefs have really evolved this year. Now, what I've been
telling people all week and all we have at this
point is what we have.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:31:58):
You know, the Chiefs have two very fast wide receivers
in Hollywood Brown and in Worthy. Okay, they're both explosive,
but they haven't really played that way this year by
pushing the ball down the field. But I would not
be surprised if they attempt some of that early, particularly
going against Darius Slay. Now, for the most part, the

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way their offense has been this year has been third
down conversions. They're a great third down conversion offense, and
that's been a combination of scheme and personnel, and I'm
very you know, that's an area that the Eagles are
going to have to stop now. Obviously, third down is relative.
Third and three is different for a defense than third
and nine, So we'll see how that plays out. But

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that's where the Chiefs have been so so good, and
they've gotten better and better as the season has progressed.
In the red zone. So those are the sort of
the two gotcha things in the game. Third down in
red zone gotta have it plays for both sides of
the ball, and that's where the Chiefs have been very good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Holmes offensive line on the left sides a little banged up.
You got a left guard playing left tackle right now,
so a backup there. How much of a concern against
that Philadelphia front is that.

Speaker 13 (01:33:09):
That's gonna be really interesting because what most teams do
think of it this way. Jalen Carter maybe the best
d tackle in the league this year. He normally lines
up and I say normally probably ninety eight percent of
the time as the left defensive tackle. And what most
teams do, almost all teams, is they slide their center
to Jalen Carter. But the Chiefs have arguably the best

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right guard in the game in Tray Smith, and my
guess is the Chiefs will allow Tray Smith to block
him one on one and they will slide their center
to Mike Caliendo, the left guard who is the weakness
of this offensive lion. Because Milton Williams, who's the right
defensive tackle for the Eagles, he has had an unbelievably
good season. A very overlooked player in this game, maybe

(01:33:53):
one of those you know when people ask me, give me,
give me a name of a guy you know and
that could be a factor in the game. Milton Williams
has been phenomenal this season.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Well, it's funny you mentioned the best right guard in
the game. They might have the best center too, right.
I mean it's a pretty good I mean he's a.

Speaker 13 (01:34:08):
Really really good player. Yeah, the question is what, Yeah,
what happens with Caliendo at left guard and even Tooney
at left tackle. I mean, Tony has done Yeoman's work.
He's held his own, but he has snaps in every
game where he struggles one on one because bottom line
is he's not a left tackle, but he had to
play out there because they just needed him out there.
So it'll be interesting to see as well what they do.

(01:34:30):
Let's say, if it's third and nine, are they going
to help them? Are they going to reduce the number
of eligible receivers that get into routes by one because
they need to help Soony, that's going to be interesting
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
I mentioned Goddard, I mean remiss when they mentioned Kelsey Keels,
the interesting guy. You know, kind of towards the twilight
of his career, maybe not as quick as he used
to be, and yet it just feels like he'll still
make a play when he needs to. Is is he
just a guy that just finds the hole in the
zone just has got so much experience because it just
feels like when he feels like Kelsey's almost always open.

Speaker 13 (01:35:01):
Yeah, And you know, it's funny when you look at
what he's done this year. He only averaged eight point
five yards per reception, which is really really low, and
the number of receptions that produced first downs was the
lowest he's had in a really long time in his career.
But you can't count him out in a game like this,
and you just can't. And the thing about Mahomes and
Kelsey factors into this as well is you almost have

(01:35:23):
to have two defenses when you play a Patrick Mahomes.
You have your structured defense, and you hope you can
win the down in your structured defense. That's what you hope,
because when you go beyond let's say two point five seconds,
and Mahome takes it beyond that because of movement, then
it becomes very hard to defend. And that's where Kelsey
becomes an even bigger factor than normal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
I feel I know you're in the prediction business, I'll
just ask you this way.

Speaker 13 (01:35:48):
I feel like this is well, I've had to predict
all week.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
I've had to predict all week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
So okay, I'm on record, I'm okay good. I feel
like it's going to be a really close, competitive game.
So what do you see happening?

Speaker 13 (01:36:02):
I mean, I've picked the Eagles, and again, you know me,
I don't necessarily pick with conviction because, as I'm sure
people listening can tell, I think there could be fifteen
different variables that determine the outcome of this game. But
I picked the Eagles thirty one to twenty seven. You know,
I guess the thing I keep coming back to, which
I've been talking about all week two just a lot

(01:36:23):
of people in conversations, is that old line. I just
feel like, barring anything that we cannot predict, you know,
a fumble, pund things like that, that the game will
be close, and that old line just wears you down.
It just wears you down over the course of the game.
And then Barkley breaks one, and you know, I guess
that's the thing that I keep coming back to in

(01:36:44):
my head.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
I'm sitting here at casino. I saw twenty over under
on it, don't you Twenty three and a half yard
carried by sae Quon Barkley. That seems like a no brainer. Okay, Craig,
you're the best. We We've enjoyed it all year, talking
about games and matchups. When we talk again, after we
give you a few weeks off, sir, we will be
speaking about the NFL Draft, all right.

Speaker 13 (01:37:09):
And I've already I've been grinding on that already, and
I'm grinding hard on that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
You were grinding on that in October. Man, I remember
talking to you in October.

Speaker 13 (01:37:16):
No, no, I wasn't, but I've been going. In fact,
being here, I wish I could be watching tape, you know.
I I wish because I was so into it. I
finished up Tuesday before I went home Tuesday night, and
then I knew I was leaving Wednesday, and I was second. Man,
I wish I could be watching tape.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Wait, Greg cosl wants to watch tape.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
That's that's what he does for fun. You go home
and cut. You just goes home and she edits audio.
Greg goes home and he watches tape. That's that's we
should You guys are kidding on one's audio tape and
the other one is is videotape. But yeah, Greg, our
friends sales Slider said, let's let's do Greg co cell
leading up to the draft again. So we're gonna do that.
But like I said, well I'm gonna take a week off.

(01:37:55):
You don't take time off, but we'll just give you
a few weeks off of KJR and we're going to
revisit you early early March, my friend, and we're doing that.

Speaker 13 (01:38:03):
I just have one I have one question for Jess.

Speaker 17 (01:38:05):
Yes, I'm all yours, just there.

Speaker 13 (01:38:08):
Yes, you got to tell me about the left tackle
for Washington State, that big kid? Is it poll pol Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you have my number, but you don't know. Yeah, you
don't have to tell me now. But I've watched a
little well, I watched all Kyle Williams targets. So that's
why I want to know about the left tackle. We'll
talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
What do you see from Pole?

Speaker 13 (01:38:31):
I think he's a fascinating prospect for a guy that
hasn't played a lot of football.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
I agree one hundred and that's less hits on the body,
and I think he has a bright future.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
So we will talk. And I also know his brother, who,
in my memory, Ian will appreciate this, ran back ninety
eight yards.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
For what in it was an overtime game in the
Apple yeah, and big boy, but I still talk to
him too. He supports his brother. So let's offline about that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Well, I like that fact look at Kyle Williams. I
like the fact you looked at some Kyle Williams tape.
We'll talk about him as well, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
Oh yeah, I did.

Speaker 13 (01:39:12):
I looked at all his target.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Kyle's it's the real deal too. All right, all right, okay, okay, okay,
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Greg's got some fay to have or some gumbo or something.
So we'll set him free and lois in New Orleans.
All right, uh and I'll talk to you soon. Greg.
Thank you so much, buddy.

Speaker 13 (01:39:27):
All Right, guys, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Allway, Okay, co,
so there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
That's great, co Sale joining us. I'm gonna pump our
own tires here for a second, Jess, if I can
just for two seconds here before we get to a break.
That guy is the busiest dude of the week down
at Radio Row.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
He always has time for you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Ian and the fact that he comes on, it's not
just I just say kJ R and C and all
the fact he comes on I absolutely love because it's
h he's he's he's grinding. I mean there's every shows
wanting to get him on in the breakdown and and
so forth. So good stuff there

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