Furness Show 4-29: Joe Sheehan, Steve Palazzolo, John Lund.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Indeed, post NFL draft, we can start really sinking our
teeth into a little Major League Baseball. Ams off yesterday,
back at it tonight. Angels in Town two game series
start their six straight series wins for our red hot
Mariner's team rolling into town. Joshi and Joshian Newsletter Joshian
dot com joined us right now. Hello, sir, how are you?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Like just about all the good narrators.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm on the il Oh, what's wrong, buddy.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's a foot.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Thing called coronial tendonitis space. It's like having tennis elbow
with in your foot. It's just stuff, little shortness, a
little hard to walk. But fortunately they don't need me
to make twenty two starts for them, so I as
long as I can talk and type, I'm generally all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Did it start out as forearm tightness like all bad
injuries do. That's my only question to you. Did it
start out as forearm tightness? And now you've got this
thing in your foot? Because every time I hear forearmed tightness,
I think of Robbie Ray or somebody else and undergoes
major surgery. That's that's my concern, Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
I think the technical diagnosis is you're old and fat.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's true for both of us. Maybe I don't know.
I can't speak for you, but yeah, for me, yeah, exactly.
Let's a couple of things I want to hit on.
What was the number you gave Jess yesterday before I'm
all wap saying with Crawford and Nate. Was it the
marriage of the best hitting team against left handed hit
pitchers or right handed pictures right writers?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
When I looked it up and I was working on
something else and I came across it right and Jess
was texting me, So it's on my mind. But maybe
second best later runs creative plus, which is a NERD's
stat just measures your entire offensive production. Their second best
in baseball and it's yeah. Obviously we're talking about the
Marina's offense for years now, but this has actually been
a good one. I don't know how sustainable it is.
They get a lot of good production from unusual sources.

(02:15):
But right now the offense is not the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's what I want to get to and I want to.
You wrote about Hulio. I want to get to that
as well in just a couple of seconds. But but
let me, it's funny you bring up is it sustainable.
I didn't want to. I dodn't want to be that guy.
I'm I don't want to. We spend a lot of
time in this town, Joe just trashing our team, and
just rightfully so we're coming closing in on fifty years
and never been to the World Series, and you know,

(02:38):
we hear Depoto and what he says sometimes and there's
a lot of frustration from Mariner fans here and and
media gets frustrated as a conduit as well. Sometimes it's
not the time for it, anders But I I've that word.
I wondered the same thing when we're talking to our
guys yesterday and we're talking about all the great numbers
the ops slugging the WRC plus all like, as a team,

(03:01):
all these numbers, like, we've never seen that early in
the season before, Joe, So obviously, as a Mariner fan,
the first thing I think of is, damn can they
sustain this or not?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, you're never.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Sustaining anything at a team level, right, It's the The
team numbers are the accumulation of all the player numbers.
She did get on the player numbers and I'm gonna
go out on a limit suggests that Hory Polanco has
not become stand musual, that that didn't happen in the offseason.
I'm going to suggest that Dylan Moore is not you know,
Brett Boon two thousand and one reincarnated. I think a

(03:32):
lot of these performances are hot streaks, but there's good
news under there too, Like, if you tell me cal
Rally is having like the best year of his career,
he's on his way to forty forty five home runs
from the catcher spot, low batting average, but it's gonna
slug five fifty.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I can buy that.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
I think, you know, we're gonna get to Julio, but
he's the numbers don't look great, but he's still a
league average hitter basically, and we haven't seen the best
of them yet. I can absolutely believe that, you know,
j he saw this from JP Crawford a couple of
years ago with the high on base, low ugging, just
kind of, you know, kind of the second leadof hitter
from the now that he bats in the nine spot.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
So there are things here that are probably real.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
And more to the point in this conversation, we've definitely
had before the parts of this roster that aren't great
and or or aren't stainable can probably be improved in season.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
If Jerry Depoto remembers had to trade.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Again, well yeah, okay, we'll get to that, hopefully maybe
in July, but we'll see Jorge Polonco. You just mentioned it.
Maybe not the second coming of stam usual but miscield,
But is it? Is this a guy that maybe just
as healthy for the first time in a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Could be And you know, I wonder playing DH now.
You know he was a short stop with the Twins.
They moved in the second. He wasn't a great second baseman.
That there's a try to I'm sorry, was it the
Twins to try at third base?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Last year?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
The Mariners Marion second last year. I'm trying to move
to third this year and that wasn't gonna work.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Has got a new to one, you know what I'm saying, Like,
maybe maybe you just take that away from them. And
we've seen this before, So there's a DH penalty. If
you take a regular player and having DH twice a month,
his numbers tend to be pretty poor. But if you
take a regular player and just say you're the DH,
they can learn how to adapt to that role. There
was an Obscure Mariner hitter who did this right around

(05:11):
the time he was twenty eight twenty nine years old.
Stop playing third base, start playing more.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
The age I forget what happened to obscure it is.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
He might be hitting coach now.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, he might be still in the dieout.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
There's a lot of examples of this where you just
say to guys looking, we're not gonna worry. I don't
worry about playing the field anywhere. Harold Baines became a
full time DH. I want to say twenty eight ended
up in the Hall of Fame. Another conversation we could have,
but it is possible you hit on the point if
you just if you said to Colanto, just go hit
and as somebody who at his best was a very
good hitter, wasn't Again, he's not stay usual here. But

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if you tell me he could be a one thirty
one to forty oh ps plus guy, hit two eighty,
hit twenty to twenty five bombs, maybe to steal a
couple of bags.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I think that's a huge play. And where he slotted now.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Obviously with the absence of Roblest, has created a hole
in this lineup batting second. I think it's perfect for
her because he's got the on base to be valuable
for the middle of the lineup. But he's got enough
pop that if Pulio gets on he can bring him around.
He could be an excellent number two hitter. So yeah,
don't judge him based on having a two thirty eight
ops plus. Judge him on hey, he's actually been a

(06:15):
good hitter before and now we're just gonna let him hit.
So I think he made a great point, make a
great point about maybe just being DH is gonna work out.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Perfectly for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I mean the third base thing. I understand what that
they're trying to address positions of need in the offseason
without spending any money, and so that's what they did.
You know, I mean Solano isn't good and Polanco moving
him from second where he didn't have a lot of range,
mod of it might have been his knee to third
where he just doesn't have the arm strength and make
it happen much less. You know this, the skills taken,

(06:43):
now he's crushing the ball. Those things all seem to
work out. I wonder I'm gonna read this is a
great line this whoever ed Q is in, you're on
your newsletter, I'm gonna I'll just read it verbatim. I'll
let you answer it from your mail bag. This was
send into Joe for at Joshian dot com. For heaven's sake,
please tell us what the hell is wrong with Julio Rodriguez.
That's from ed Q. All right, Joe, go ahead, what

(07:05):
the hell's wrong with Julio Rodriguez?

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Nothing? Really, I mean, he's off to his typical mediocre start,
not hitting for average.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
But and this is where we've really got to adjust
for t mobile park.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
I mentioned that when Wada runs created earlier, they're second
in baseball, and a big part of that is the
park factor. They just you have to adjust all of
these numbers all of the time. So even though Julio
is hitting what is a buck ninety, it's actually a
one oh three ops plus three to eight o OBP,
which is a little below average, but adjust for the park,

(07:40):
it's actually an above average OVP three sixty six Slugging,
he's five for six dealing, He's still the same divy.
I'm giving you the stat hit perspective, and I understand
the fan perspective.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
It's frustrating.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Its struck out thirty one times thirty one times against
twenty two hits, like as you experience that as a fan,
the frustration builds up. And I'm trying to tell you
that he's actually been He's on his way to a
four win season, maybe a five win season, because he
does everything. And this is why you want players who
bring it in so many different ways. So if the
hitting goes, he's still producing value at the he still

(08:13):
producing value in the field, He's still producing value on
the basis as far.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
As the actual breakdown.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
You know, and this is these numbers are going to
be a little out of date because I'm reading them
from the same place.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
You read from through forty six babbot.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
He's typically been in the three thirties, three forties, and
some of that is you know, if you look at stackcast,
he's actually hitting forty points below what he's actually earned,
sixty five points of slugging below what earned. He's hitting
the ball better than the results that he's got, so
that typically corrects. He's also there's one thing where he's

(08:47):
swinging and missing a ton, and I it's almost why
I want to sit down and look at a hundred
played appearance as a figure out what we're talking about here.
But he has really started swinging and missing a lot.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
But that's not converting to st accounts.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
So what do you do with a player who's got
a terrible contact rate swinging and missing, but also doesn't
have a particularly high strikeout rate. This is where we
are in baseball now, We're like, the twenty eight percent
strikeout rate, is it actually all that hot? Actually's lowered
twenty four percent? So I want to see the next
hundred that bats because I have always believed in Julliard rates.

(09:21):
I believe in the talent. I think that maybe he's
just never going to be at three ten, three fifteen hitter.
But he's going to be a two sixty two seventy
hitter who does literally everything else on the baseball field.
I'm not worried about him.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, I always find myself thinking that's the guy I'm
least worried about, uh, because I know, just talking to
guys down there, We've talked to a number of the
position that the coaches and different guys in the organization,
and like, no one puts in more work than this guy,
whether it's in the cage, whether it's setting tape, whether
it's working with the hitting coaches, plural Siteser and Agar,

(09:53):
whatever it might be, and for whatever reason, there is
a slow start. The funny thing about the ballpark, Joe,
it's crazy. They just came off a week can in
which they scored fourteen runs on Saturday, and they scored
what seven more on Sunday. The weather was a little
warmer now tonight. Guess what we have back, Joe, the
Marine layers. It's you'll be shocked to know here in
Seattle on this day late in April that it's misty,

(10:14):
cold and raining, so the roof will be closed. But
you know, the ballpark actually at time like this past
weekend played big. Maybe it was just the pitching that
they saw.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
I was gonna say, that's one of the big there's
a lot of minor league rehab series that you get
to play in Major League Baseball. Right now, the bad
teams in baseball. I know the Marinths came in. They
were twelve and fourteen, I think when they came into
the series. But I you got to almost adjust, like
who's gotten to play the Rockies League, Who's gott to
play the White Sox.

Speaker 8 (10:40):
Lately?

Speaker 4 (10:40):
The bottom tier of alb.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Is as bad as it's been in a very long time.
It's interesting because this is all this parody in the middle,
but you've got this bottom tier three to five teams
that are just absolutely horrible.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
So I'm going to ask you to slow your role
just a little bit about beating up on the extensions.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'll slow at Joe she enjoining us Joe Shean dot
com with this here, all right, Uh, let me get
to the pitching. Just I'm curious about this. They've they've
lost Logan Gilbert all joking aside for a while, a
fifteen day injured list. But you know, with that, it's
we're probably not going to see him for a few
weeks at least. Kirby's still on the on the d
L as well on the injured list as well. How

(11:19):
much can they sustain do you think? I mean, the
offense is literally carrying this baseball team. The offense and
Brian wu are carrying this baseball team right now.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
I mean, Miller will pitched tonight. I'm still pretty confident.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
You've always liked Actually, let me tell you, if I
just go back to last year, you've always liked Miller
as much as anyone, if not more, on that rotation,
right Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Yeah, I mean I just on raw talent.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
I probably take him over to the other four.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Gilbert's had a longer track record, but it's on the
raw stuff obviously came in, hasn't always been there, and
you worry, there's always that worried with him that the
elbow is going to go spraying at any time.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
But I love Brice Butler.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
If you give me, you know, if they're just these
five guys are healthy, you know, like last year, probably
take Miller after Gilbert and it's got that It's it's
actually pretty close for me, So that would be you know,
I think Miller is good enough to be a number
two starter in this rotation, I'm not that worried about
you know, they're gonna get Kirby back. Kirby, Brass and

(12:13):
Gilbert are all gonna be back, hopefully early June. Being
a little conservative, there was I forget the gentleman who's
I was reading updates from an MLB dot com Forgibby,
but he was Craig, thank you. And so they've got
to navigate May now they love. I mean, the start
from Evans was like madis I'm heavy the other day
and again, you know, the Marlins kind of taken a

(12:34):
great assault, but you know, you've just got to find
some way to stabilize those back couple of spots. Maybe
it means maybe, you know, I'd like to see Dan
Wilson try an opener with with somebody these back end starters.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Give that a shot.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Uh see if getting these guys usually a reliever to
face one two three or one two three four in
the first and letting whether it's Castillo or Evans wherever
it's going to be, start the game facing five six sevens.
This is the principle of the opener, where you use
a better picture to frame face the top of the lineup.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
And then you use your fourth or fifth or sixth
starter to.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Kind of get an easier path into the game. It
also means that they don't face the top of the
lineup a third time. They're only facing the top of
the lineup a second time, which can mitigate the third
time penalty. So I think the Barners are set up
now to use the traditional starters one, two, three, and
then maybe use openers or tandem starts in those last
two spots. They there's a drop off, there's no question

(13:29):
to drop off. They really weren't equipped to lose two
starters in April, so they're.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Going to have to fake this a little bit. I
think creativity is going.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
To have to be the way they do it.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Before you go, Joshi and j Andrews, I'm gonna I'm
going to give you a test here, all right, based
on the Joshian newsletter because this was written and I'm
gonna I'll leave the team blank. But this this could
have been written and we you know, we could you
could insert in the name Mariners here, yeah, and every
fan would have said, damn right, and it's not them.

Speaker 9 (13:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
The blank had a notable late season collap didn't do
anything to improve a five hundred team or get the
fans invested, and are starting this year injured and playing
in football weather. Name that team Anders, Oh god, and
it's not the Mariners.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Is it an American League team?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, it's not the Mariners. By the way, this could
have been the Mariners. This should have been what we
This is what we all thought. Joe, is the Twins, Joe,
you wrote about the Mirrors, but you put Twins in there.
Oh wait a second, No, the Marriers are in first place.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Well, the Twins are one six or seven. I think
I wrote that it was again, it was the White
Sox and Angels they got to play last year, but
the only game they've lost since then was a seven
inning rain at where they didn't get to face the
White Sox bullpen for two innings.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like that's what I look. If you're down three nothing
to the.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
White Sox in the eighth, that's like being tied. So
you know, the one loss they have is kind of
a bit of an asterisk to it.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
But yeah, the Twins.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Again, they're a team that lost their local TV deal
that and this is the different then the Pollege are
trying to spell the team. They were close to a
deal it fell apart, so they've been really trying to
keep the not just the payroll itself, but long term
debt down.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
Remember they've got.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Korea signed the busting times. I don't want to deal
with a lot of money on it. So they didn't
do anything the last two winters. The only thing they
did the winter before was the Plunko deal where they
traded on Topa and somebody else who didn't play.

Speaker 10 (15:17):
At all last year.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
It was like two pitchers who didn't missed the entire year.
So they've had two winters now where they're not getting
the fans attad And this is the JJ Cooper at
Baseball America, What about this the other day. Your off
season isn't just about adding war and getting better. It's
about getting your fans excited. If you think about what
the Padres in a few years back with you know,

(15:39):
Bogarts and Machado. You think about the Phillies with Harper
a journey. Look at those teams attendance. Yes they're winning,
but they're getting people excited in December about going to
the game in June. And these teams that are taking
entire winters off are not competing with the local NFL
team for attention, the local NHL team and Seattle. They're

(15:59):
just basically saying, okay, well we'll see you guys in
April and expecting people to be excited about that.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
And it's where of course, you.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Know Seattle, you mentioned the Marine layer, but at least
they have the umbrella over the stadium.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Like, I'm not sure I love baseball.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
I'm not going to a baseball game at Target Field
in April.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
It looks if you watch some of these games, it
looks miserable.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
For Yeah, I mean, my five theory is a baseball
season should start to April fifteenth, but I've lost that argument.
But in a lot of these places, absolutely miserable experience
to us sit at the ballpark and then again the
team's not playing well, they're getting blown out.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's the horrible experience.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Teams have to recognize that they're not just spending money
in the offseason on on the baseball itself. It's a
marketing expense to go out and trade for a star,
to sign a superstar and say, hey, look, fans, this
is the guy we got for you. Go buy tickets
and come out and see us and the Twins have
failed that test. The Marinis have, you know, great if

(16:53):
they science day unusual this winter, and I'm I'm decided
satiated that. But there are just a lot of teams
that are punt Pittsburgh as an example.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
This Baltimore is an example of this.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Baltimore's attendance is actually starting to dwindle because they've done
so little to boast to support this great young core
that they have. Teams have got to recognize that it's
not enough to just hang out a shingle that says
there's a ballgame today. You've got to compete for the
fan dollar. And yeah, the Twins haven't done it. The
Marigas hadn't done it.

Speaker 11 (17:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
The Mariners, by the way, they they didn't exercise the
option on stand the man in the offseason. Then they
resigned him as what they did for chief right for
a chiefer price great stuff tell people Joshian newsletter.

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Speaker 2 (18:01):
Joe does write about every team, including our team, not
just the Yankees and the Red Sox, the Cubs and
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Go check it out Joe Shehan dot com. We always
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(18:21):
N dot com. There you go, go check it out.
We'll talk to you next week, my friend. Thank you,
Joji and Joshian dot com. Great newsletter, great stuff on
the Yeah, the twins thing is just a really interesting
deal because that's it's speaking the language and that would
and honestly, that's where Seattle would be right now, except
for they've been winning games because the offense has come
alive and they've done a great job. And it's awesome.

(18:42):
I mean because when I read that, I went, holy
smokes man, that is exactly what every Mariner fan was
thinking in January, February, March and up until the last
two or three weeks. And instead what's happened is that
they have done all of that. Uh oh good. H
Marriers did make a couple move some odd Taylors selected
from Triple A to combina. You're asking yourself, why not

(19:05):
for good? You're asking yourself, why.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
Oh why?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Uh well, oh no, because the reincarnation of Brett Boone
Dylan Moore placed on the ten day injured list. There
you go, geez, we can't have nice things. We can
we cannot have nice things here in Seattle. We did
have a nice draft by your Seattle Seahawks. We'll talk
about that next with Steve Pelozolo.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
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Speaker 2 (19:49):
Now with Ian Here's Steve Pellazolo. Check the mic podcast
currency the thirty third Team and our friend Steve Palazolo.
You can check that out wherever you get your podcasts.
This morning, I must admit, Steve, I jumped ahead one
hour thirty one minutes in.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
I did the same thing so.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I could hear how our local team fared in you
and Sam's eyes. How are you, sir?

Speaker 7 (20:13):
Doing great?

Speaker 12 (20:14):
That's I think a lot of people just kind of
fast forward to their team, which is why we love
covering all thirty two.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
You know, you get something on your team, you.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Know now, In fairness, I don't normally do that, but yeah,
I you know's there's teams I don't care about as
far as what their draft was, I do care about
the I do like how you do it by division
NFC West. I'm gonna go back and listen to.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
The right say.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm gonna definitely check out Yeah, Rams Arizona. You know
those dipsticks down in the Bay Area that those guys
will we'll check that out. We'll get to some guys specifically,
but it's safe to say that both you and your
partner Sam kind of liked for Seattle did.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Yeah, definitely. I mean high volume draft.

Speaker 12 (20:50):
I think you see paps to the field for at
least the top three picks, maybe even Tory Horton in
the fifth round, Damian Martinez in the seventh. So I
think they got some good players that we liked. And
then anytime you take the developmental quarterback and you're not
giving up a ton for him, you know, to use
their fourth pick late third on Jalen Milroe.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
I think that's a great move as well.

Speaker 12 (21:10):
So yeah, I thought it was a well rounded draft
and I thought they did a really nice job.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I didn't thought it in those terms, but I
think it's interesting. Yeah, Zabel's going to start right away,
iman O Orr is going to start our play. He'll
be involved for sure. Arroyo is definitely going to play Milroll.
There's gonna be a package for him. We'll get back
to him in a second. Riley Mill's health dependent will
be in the rotation. I thought Sam and either Sam

(21:34):
or you mentioned Tory Horton. Not only is he going
to be in the mix, I Marcus Valdez Scantling, Betta
be looking over your shoulder there right. Tory Horton's legit, man.

Speaker 12 (21:44):
I mean he was on pace to maybe be a
Day two type of receiver early day two type of
receiver before getting injured last year. I think he moves
really well, has good size, good hands. I think he's
a pretty select route runner on the outside. Colorado State
moved him outside, put him in the slot, so he
did a lot of things.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
And I think Tory Horton's a really good receiver.

Speaker 12 (22:02):
So yeah, I think he has a chance to compete
for snaps with Jake Bobo, Valdez Scantling, And I think
he brings a little bit of an outside presence to
a team that you know, wants to probably move Jackson
Smith and Jig Buta and Cooper Cup around and have
them from tighter splits and you know, maybe working out
of the slot.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
So I think, yeah, Tory Horton has a chance to
do some damage.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Every year there's guys that slipped and this year shoud
Or Santos that guy. We'll get to him in a minute,
but I was with I know it was a deep
running back class. And maybe I'm biased because we watched
him play a couple times a year against Washington and
then against Wazoo before the PAC twelve died a horrible
death and he went to Miami. But man, I was
stunned that Damien Martinez didn't he lasted till the seventh round.

(22:42):
I think that's a steal.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, I was surprised too.

Speaker 12 (22:46):
I mean Sam and I did running back rankings and
I believe he was top eight or so and Sam's
rankings and you know, right around the top ten for me,
and you know, there were there weren't that many running
backs that went the first two days.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
I was a little surprised. I thought there'd be a
little bit more day two, and so I think a
bunch of those guys dropped a little bit. But I
thought Martinez would be a part of the you know,
a higher tier.

Speaker 12 (23:06):
You know, he's he's so tough to tackle, low center
of gravity type, and you know, to get a player
like that in the seventh I think is outstanding. And
that just goes back to a lot of the running
back debates that we have. You know, wol do you
want to take one in the first or second when,
especially in this particular class, there are good running back
options to be had later in the draft, and I
think Martinez, you know, could have good carve out a

(23:28):
really nice career once, you know, once he gets an opportunity.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
So I love that in the seventh round.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Steve, what you one of you guys mentioned, I think
it was you Ricky White, the wide receiver from UNLV,
their last pick two and thirty eighth. Overall you guys
like him, right.

Speaker 12 (23:42):
Yeah, he had He was like a special teams demon.
I think it was like four blocked kicks last year
and or yeah, four punts that he blocked.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
And every time you watch UNLV.

Speaker 12 (23:52):
If you're watching UNLV, the guy's making plays, big plays
against Boise State and the big games.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
I went back and watched him.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
I think he's he's not the most polished receiver, but
he's just you know, gritty, good special team.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
Type that you just love to have on your team.

Speaker 12 (24:06):
It's like a perfect seventh rounder because he can, you know,
maybe sneak into the wide receiver rotation, play special teams
and just the type of dude that has a chance
to you know, to make the team.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
So I like that a lot for a seventh round.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, because I I just think like Drek Young's been
that guy for the last few years and he's never
been able to find his way into the rotation as
far as a wide receiver. So if this guy's got
any kind of receiving skills and he's got a chance there,
all right. This was a weird draft for us because, Steve,
we've had fifteen previous John Schneider drafts, and basically except
for the year they took Russell o'cooon and Earl Thomas

(24:38):
in the first round, which was draft number one in
twenty ten, almost every time when they take a pick
in the first day one or day two, we're like,
huh what who?

Speaker 5 (24:48):
L J?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Collier? Who the hell? Why did you just draft a
running back when you have Marshawn just sign an extension,
et cetera. So then they take Gray's abel position of
need a royal position of need. Uh Iman Warria also
a guy that fits exactly what McDonald wants to do.
What the hell is going on here, Steve, their top
three picks are all guys that made sense.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
Wait, they've been a little bit more by the book
and recently they.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Have yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, actually when JSAM was drafted,
Lockett hadn't really started a massive decline and they had
just signed DK to an extension, so that was a
little bit of it. I mean, it's turned out great, right,
It's turned out great.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
I think even the Devin Witherspoon was like, whoa, who's
this guy?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, because that was a weird one becausek won, I
forget what his name is this week and come off
a great year. But yeah, Zabel especially, I mean, what
a what a great pick and a position of need.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
Yeah, so getting him at eighteen, I do wonder how
much you know, Tyler Booker coming off the board early,
even though I don't think they were in the market
for Booker, if John sensed, hey, I don't know if
we can get the guard on the turn in the
second round and Booker's going that high, and you know
that a team like the Vikings might have that need
a few picks later, and of course they went with
Donovan Jackson. So I wonder if there was some foresight

(26:05):
there with John where in his heart he would love
to have drafted someone else and then hoped that Zabel
falls or hope that they could get a guard. But
either way, you're talking about a guy that went to
the Senior Bowl after playing left tackle at North Dakota State.
Was just everybody raving about him coming out of the
Senior Bowl because he played center, played both guard positions,
held his own in pass protection to get some stars

(26:26):
and so I think Zabel moves extremely well. I think
he's a great fit for the new system there. He
could play center if you needed. I think he showed
that at the Senior Bowl. I mean honestly, I think
he could kick out to tackle if needed as well.
That was Graham Barton last year for the Bucks, who
people described as a five position player if you needed
that in a pinch. So I think there's a lot
of versatility there. I think a lot of a lot

(26:48):
of his bad run blocks were just kind of bad
angles and just not get into the right landmark. I
think that's all correctable and fixable. So I think Zabel's
a fantastic prospect who excells in pass protection, which was
much needed for the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Iman Worri a big safety, really athletic, and I'm intrigued
by that because if they want to play big Nickel
as opposed to having Witherspoon play Nickel and bringing in
Joe with you know, Wolan or whatever they might want
to do. No Trey Brown anymore seems to make sense
what you read on the safety out of South Carolina.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
Yeah, I think he does his best work close to
the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 12 (27:23):
And of course I know in Seattle, everybody's going to
think of Cam And you know, Cam was like a
legitimate linebacker at Virginia Tech who became you know, a
Pete Carroll strong safety, and I don't think you're necessarily
getting that with Iman worri But it's the same idea
where I think he does his best work in short areas,
in short zone, in and around the line of scrimmage.
I think his athleticism is obviously incredible running four three

(27:45):
eight with that forty three inch vertical, so I think
he could cover tight ends if you want to. There's
a lot of versatility if you do want him playing
box safety or dime linebacker or whatever it might be.

Speaker 7 (27:56):
I think he'd be outstanding at that.

Speaker 12 (27:58):
But you're just getting another great athlete on the field
with Riek walland with Devin Witherspoon, with what they already have,
So I love that. I mean, the guy blew up
the combine. A lot of people expected him in the
first I know some early mocks might have had him
at eighteen to Seattle, so getting him early. Second look,
I don't think he's as good of a football player
as what Mike McDonald had in Kyle Hamilton when Baltimore.

(28:19):
I think Hamilton is just he's the best safety prospect
probably since Derwin James. But Imon Wari has a similar
type of skill set where I think you can move
him around, use that athleticism, and you know, kind of
hope he develops into a little bit better of a
football player.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
But I still think he's very good.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
By the way, we'll have him on the show tomorrow.
By the way, for Seahawk fans, Iman Wari is going
to be with us at some point during the radio
show tomorrow. Finally, Jalen Milrom And this isn't me being
Seahawk homer guy or anything like that. I just want
I looked at this year's quarterback class like everybody else did,
and I thought nothing really up, even cam Ward And

(28:54):
maybe that's just my wazoo bias. Didn't get fired up
watching cam Ward, but that wasn't gonna happen. But I honestly, Steve,
I'm look at his quarterbacks class, I'm like, nobody gets
me excited. I can't foresee anything making sense for John
Schneider to make his third quarterback pick in sixteen years.
That's it other than Jalen Milroe, because there feels like
there's a massive upside to this guy and he doesn't

(29:15):
have to come in and be the man right away.
What was your read on Milroe?

Speaker 12 (29:19):
So I looked at TV's four through nine in this
class as developmental options, and they all brought something different
to the table, with Milroe maybe bringing the best developmental
package to the table because he's an elite runner. I
think you can if he had to start today, you
could build a run game around him where defenses have
to account for him. When Lamar Jackson came out, I said, look,

(29:42):
Lamar's not the most accurate guy in the world right now,
but because of his speed and his running ability, that
opens up the defense has to account for him. That
opens up more open throws, that offsets things a little bit.
I think there's elements of that with Milroe, where he's
just just so inconsistent.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
As a passer.

Speaker 12 (29:57):
You could pull out his top five to ten throws
and say, look, there's an NFL quarterback because if bit.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
A seam route, throwing a deep ball, touch.

Speaker 12 (30:04):
And accuracy and everything, but it's just not always there.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
It's inconsistent.

Speaker 12 (30:09):
So you can build a run game around him. And
I think as a developmental guy, you just kind of
let's work on the pass game. Let's work on consistency,
let's work on you know, accuracy to all levels. And
one of the things I was a little bit concerned
with was his playmaking outside of the pocket. A lot
of times, when you have a great athletic quarterback, you assume, oh,
when he's on the run, he can make great plays.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
That's what I think.

Speaker 12 (30:31):
You get some of his worst plays, whether it's inaccuracy
or Tennessee game where he's scrambling backwards, took a sack.
He didn't have the best, say, passing instincts when he's
scrambled around. But again, a lot of experience, you know,
sitting sitting and learning for at least a year to
see if that can develop. I think it's well worth
it because at worst, I think you have a high floor.

(30:52):
You can run, build a run game, and play action
game around him, and he's just going to put the
defense in a buying So I think that's intriguing about
mill Row. And then when you pair that with Darnold's
contract structure, and you know they might only be tied
to him to a year for a year, even if
even though you want him to be there for multiple years.
So I think at worst, you're you're getting a cheap
backup in Milroe, who, if he has to play, is

(31:13):
going to put defenses in a bind and they're going
to struggle to you know, defend him because of his
athletic ability, and you just kind of hope that the
past game eventually catches up. So for a late third
round pick, that sounds like a perfect developmental type of
quarterback in a very good situation in Seattle.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Tell people about the podcast, sir.

Speaker 12 (31:31):
Yeah, we're going Division by Division right now on check
the mic on YouTube wherever you listen to your podcast.
So we got one more set tomorrow morning, but division
by Division reviewing all things drafted right now?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
What are you going in in the off season? For
folks that listen and download it all the time, we.

Speaker 12 (31:46):
Go down to like two shows a week and just
kind of have some fun some all thirty two team.
We give reasons for optimism for every team, reasons for pessimism.
So still cover the NFL throughout the summer months as
much as we can.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
When things die down.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
All right, we're gonna give you a few months off
and then bother you again late August, early September.

Speaker 12 (32:03):
Is all right, sounds good. I can't wait. Well, I
mean I can wait a little bit. I need a
little bit of downtime.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, you can wait. You can tell the truth. You
can wait. Those guys in Seattle bother me again. But honestly,
we've done this now for a handful of years, back
in the PFF days and now with a thirty third team,
and we really enjoy the conversations every week, Steve, whether
it be during the season, previewing the games coming up,
or obviously the draft stuff, which in I know team
building you've aways talked about is one of your favorite things.

(32:29):
So we love having you on. We'll give you a
few months off, we may call you stand by and
just may give you a shout at one point, but
it'll be yes in the meantime, we will. We appreciate that.
Check the Mike podcast where you get your podcast. It's
great stuff. Go find that if you're an NFL fan
and Steve will talk soon.

Speaker 12 (32:46):
Thank you, sir, sounds great. Always appreciate it. Thank you
so much, guys.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Steve Pelosolo joining us from the thirty third team. We'll
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(34:01):
It also continues for five other teams. Make it now
six oh new opening in the National Hockey League coaching circles?

Speaker 6 (34:08):
Who what's the Nusian?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Rick Tockett will not return as the Canucks coach. Let's
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twenty twenty one when the Kraken were looking for the
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(34:33):
a like what yeah, huh, I thought we were thinking
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TV sales a game. Well, he and the Canucks couldn't
come to an agreement long term. They did not exercise

(34:53):
the option on his contract and they were trying to
renegotiate and go a longer term for him. He obviously
wants no part of the horror show that is Vancouver
right now.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
I'm gonna say sounds somewhat.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Mutual, very mutual. So he's out now, of course, because
now he may end up at one of these places
and you'll say, hey for an isshue, idiot to you.
But the lazy narrative in the NHL, much like it
is in MLB ATFL and NBA, is immediately you always
default to the big markets, i e. New York, both

(35:25):
Islanders well, specifically that the Rangers have an opening right now,
Bruins probably have an opening. So that's what you're hearing.
Talcket's son lives in Seattle, by the way.

Speaker 15 (35:38):
Huh oh, you mean there's a local connection.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
There's a local connection.

Speaker 11 (35:41):
Let's go. I that's not moving house too, it's not
too bad.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
And I.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Think they need a guy that sells a game. I
think they need somebody not just SI can coach and
is established and has been a winner, and he was
the coach of the Year in the NHL year ago,
by the way, same year that hacks or actually hacks
the finals two years ago. But they need a face.
Dave Hackstall was not a good on the podium, sell

(36:12):
the sport, get people fired up. And I know people,
so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're Mike McDonald.
It matters if you're trying to grow a fan base
and sell a sport and get people invested involved. Talkie
could do that, not only I mean Hack couldn't do it.
And bilesma nicest guy around. Oh, I'll due respect. Try well, Sure,

(36:39):
that's a good way to play.

Speaker 15 (36:40):
He has a very coached way about him.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
It just didn't work. It didn't work, and it didn't
work on the ice. It didn't work structure wise, as
Ron Francis told us a week ago to day, et cetera,
et cetera. Anyway, I'd love talking to come here the great.
Maybe Mike Sullivan out of Pittsburgh's coach would be also
a good hit higher two to be established guys Yattle
is a better job than some less pressure here. Yes,

(37:04):
good solid foundation of guys playing here and all in ownership,
All in ownership. I guess that might make some people
a little anxious because they don't they're not going to
fire four coaches like they're not going to go through now.
The connects are going to be on their fourth coach
in four years. But I don't think you're going to
see a guy be one and done in Seattle again.

(37:26):
I would have to take something extraordinary to get to
that point. So anyway, talking available.

Speaker 16 (37:30):
You're you're close to the Vancouver circles. To me, it
seemed like he kind of overachieved with that team.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know, well, no, I think their issue this
year were injuries. Yeah, Demco being out there. Starting goaltender
was out of ton. They tried to rely. I mean
Lankanon was okay, she loss who played in the playoffs
well last year, couldn't do anything. Made Krubauer look like
a Vesna Trophy winner at times. So that was that.

(37:58):
They had, you know, Quinn Hughes miss to handful of
games that killed them. And then of course the whole
drama with JT. Miller and Elias Petterson, the two best
players who didn't get along and we're having little battles
behind the scene and you know, mean girl here, mean
boy there, whatever it would be.

Speaker 16 (38:14):
It seems like he kind of made the like they
had a really good year last year.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, this year they just and they want you know, Yeah,
I don't know it just didn't. It was broken. I
think the fact that you got nothing out of Patterson
just killed you. Yeah, I mean, you pay twelve million
dollars a year for that guy and.

Speaker 16 (38:30):
He was just as I had a quote from talkt
uh family is a priority. With my contract lapsing, this
becomes the opportune time. While I don't know where I'm
headed or exactly how this will play out for me
or over the near term, I feel like this is
the right time for me to explore other opportunities in
and around hockey.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, first of all, he's lying, and I hate to
say that he knows where he's going. Oh well, you're
not walking away from a job and nothing. If he
does no where he's going, he's got a pretty good
idea up the one or two places oculo already. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (39:06):
Well, I just I like everything that you said makes
me trust this ownership because a lot of people would
let it ride it right out, you know, with you know,
the bilesmanth situation.

Speaker 15 (39:15):
And I trust them to make a move that will stick.

Speaker 11 (39:18):
And I think you're absolutely correct in the fact that
they are not gonna take a chance.

Speaker 15 (39:23):
They're gonna go with something solid.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
They got criticized too for the kicking Frances upstairs and
the botty will sign it. But again it's sometimes there's
a naivety built in. There's there's thirteen or fourteen teams
the league.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
They have that model.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
And you know, I was explained homewern Is asking me
about the other day and I said, well, you gotta
understand there's you know, twenty guys here, twenty guys in Coachella.
Other thirty guys that you know are drafted and or
signed are just drafted and maybe waiting to be signed.
There's a lot going on with It's very baseball like
in that sense, you know, to Poto slash Hollander. Whether
you like Jerry or not.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
It doesn't matter. It's be honest.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
But that's but hockey similar to baseball in the makeup. Yeah,
you know you've gotten. Player development is a huge, huge deal,
and Jeff Tamberlin is a director for player development. But
one man can't do it all, and I think it
makes sense, it works, So they did that and the
bilesman thing didn't work. I mean, Francis told us why
last week, and if you watch the games and watch
the results, you know why. All right, there you go.

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Think that means it was physical. Contentious big word, big
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Speaker 6 (43:08):
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It's really that big of a word.

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We're the Harvard of the Northwest. So I don't know
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Speaker 10 (43:42):
The place that the place that Hall of Famer Bobby
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Speaker 7 (43:48):
Bobby Wagner.

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Angel.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
But I'll say this, I've seen anger in that samoan
man's eyes a few times, and oh yeah, and it's
not good. Switch you do not want Yeah, yeah, it
is not throw a jack, is it? By and by
the way, by the way, like listen, you of all people,
cannot be disparaging a fellow land Grant School. All right,
we all need to stick together, and we're all the
pack and we're all the pac twelve next year in

(44:35):
twenty twenty six, together.

Speaker 10 (44:36):
Okay, that's amazing that it's so amazing what trash is
lying around?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You do state I did?

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Okay, hey do it.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I remember doing a show. I'll specifically remember doing this show.
All right, this is a great you'll remember this we
had when we were working together set Lake. There's a
golf company that was out in Midvale that did a
bunch of stuff with doing remote out there once and
somehow it got brought up about Packed ten expansion and
all these by all these BYU fans like man, we
should be in the PAC ten and no, no, no, And

(45:11):
I said, you know what, man ainy, none of you
guys gonna be You're never going to be in the
PAC ten. They said, you're not You're not a research school.
They don't want you. Trust me. I said, they'd want Utah,
but they wouldn't want you. Well right now, the PAC
ten twelve, whatever we would die to have BYU, die
to have by. I was like, I know, I know,

(45:34):
I was torpedoing the b YU fans and poking on
them and they're like, leave me alone, You're just you,
just like the utes. I'm like, well, yeah, because I
like Kyle and I don't like you.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
You didn't think those people were supposed to use those
kind of words. What they do they do well.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
When they're by themselves, they do a lot of things like, yeah,
they do.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I was just in Vegas. I saw lots of them.

Speaker 7 (45:57):
I was in Vegas last weekend.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I saw lots of them, Like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 7 (46:00):
Once you cross the borders anyway?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Hey, we don't want to get into religion or politics
or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
No, probably not a good idea of these days. But
you can do that on joy un least, you know why,
Because you're unleashed. You can do whatever you want, buddy,
you can do whatever you want. I glanced a little
bit last night, big basketball game doing a post game
show for that last Did you work too hard this
whole going independent thing you're working with you?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah? Yeah, two shows in a day, man, it's very difficult.
But you know, I.

Speaker 10 (46:25):
Get to sit in the studio after every win. It's
it's just become kind of a tradition that I chuck
a beer and then whiskey starts to blow.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
So it's a little bit different than than the old FCC,
A little different kind of a deal. I bring that
I bring whiskey out here and get.

Speaker 10 (46:38):
At and yeah we get a little loose, people have
a good time, and yeah it's a little different, a
little different. But uh yeah basketball is atrocious. Are you
sure you want the Sonics back? Because that's what you
have to watch.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
So that's that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I mean, it's just that it's it's not good.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
That it's not a good No, that's and that's why
I wanted to watch. Like well, I mean, I'm watching
the hockey playoffs last night. They were the lake was awful.
It was like a blowout. So I'm like a flip over.
So I watched end of the second quarter in the
second half of the Golden State of Houston game, and
I mentioned this. I mentioned this earlier with our our
midday guy, who's a big NBA guy, and I said,
the thing with the NBA that I see today, it

(47:14):
is the skill level is through the roof. Like when
people say, oh, you know, back in the day, back
in the day, I mean when you watch these guys
today Van Vliet, I mean he missed the last three pointer,
I know it, but eight to twelve from outside the
arc and everything was contested. I mean, the skill levels sick.
What they can do. But there's some weird stuff in

(47:35):
this league, like like how Steven Adams still can't hit
a free throw is beyond me? Like the hack and
Haden job job, Yes, dude, that's all you have to do.
And the officiating is just incredible, like Draymond. So Draymond
has five fouls, a flagrant and a technical and somehow
still finish the game. How is that?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
How does that happen?

Speaker 10 (47:57):
And he's got a receive wall as reputation too. I mean,
we're all our breath on the last one.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
You know, It's it's pretty amazing from standpoint.

Speaker 10 (48:04):
Like you said, athletes. The athletes are crazy. They can
hit shots. It's all about the Steph Curry revolution. And
STEP's a lot of fun to watch, and there's a
lot of players that are a lot of fun to watch.
But all it is is it's the opposite of what
everybody's used to, which is, you know, get it down low,
then you can kick to the shooters or whatever. It's
just constant three to three three three three long rebound,
easy basket, you know those kind of things. And then,

(48:24):
like you said, officiating, the problem I have is we
have the and this is in all sports.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
We have the greatest technology. It's so easy.

Speaker 10 (48:30):
I've seen on my couch while drinking my beer and
whiskey a replay eighteen times. I got it on the
first one, and I'm not again whatever that big word
Jesse used, I don't know what it means either, So
I'm not that bright. And I got it, Like I
saw the first replay. I saw it when in thirty
seconds I got it.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
I could do that.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
It takes five minutes. So now the rocket's gonna hang out.

Speaker 10 (48:48):
They're in the opposed arena. Everybody quiets down, like yeah,
just the whole process of Look, Steph Curry baited the
guy Dylan Brooks, who everybody hates because he's from Oregon
and he's a jackass, and so he should get.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
A technical step. It's a technical it's over.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
It should be done in less than a minute. And
if it can't be done in less than a minute,
and replay in general, then it should be then you
just keep it for whatever, so you just get it
out of there.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So it was ridiculous. They give three technicals, they shoot
a free I.

Speaker 10 (49:12):
Mean, and the thing takes five minutes, and it's like,
I know, the whole replay which originated with the Seahawks
and Mini Testaverdi and Dennis Eric's and not you want
to get it right. I get it, but it's got
to take a minute. Because if these officials can get
about ninety five percent plus right with just the naked
eye and I can get it on one replay, two
beers and two whiskeys and one eye open, if I

(49:35):
can get it within a minute, they do too, and
it's it's so frustrating beyond what the product is. I
don't know if you want the Sonics back, even though
I think you want the concept of the Sonics back,
I don't know if you want the game the way
it's played right now.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Well, that whole thing as long as it took, and
you're right, like, there's no reason it should take that long.
And I mean except for what they're doing is they're
basically trying to you know, they're trying to make sure
they don't really kick a guy out even though they
wanted to kick a guy out basically, right, is that
that's kind of what they're doing. But I look at it, Bruce,
I have to ask Softy. I want to say it

(50:07):
was Ryan Appleby or somebody he did something when he
was an Oregon to a Husky player. Then I saw
when I was googling it today. He didn't he almost
kill Gary Payton Jr. Right didn't He almost like undercut
him as well? Yeah, like like they just you know what,
there's a simple, simple thing. This is how it works
in hockey. Let him fight. You know what, How tough
are you? How tough are you? There's so many pretend

(50:29):
tough guys in the NBA. If you actually had to
square up with a guy like you do in hockey,
like there'd be a lot less of that nonsense going on,
Like there'd be a lot less nonsense going on. Like
just you know what, Hey, Dylan, you're gonna have to
square up with Draymond. See how that works for you?
Right right, Steven the third man in you know, here
we go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I'll give you.

Speaker 10 (50:49):
I'll give you a great example, man, because you don't
realize how big. I mean, football players are big. You know,
certain certain sports are big. The NBA guys are so big.
And you remember this because I got two for you.
In Portland, where the guys walk the visitor locker room
through the the the meal area of the media which,
by the way, I don't care how big you are,
you getting the way of my food. I'm gonna bite
your arm off, even for you're an NBA player. They

(51:10):
would walk, they would walk through there, and I remember
one time looking at seeing Sequille O'Neal for the first time,
and I was like, this is the biggest man alive.
I mean, it was so ridiculous seeing him up post
even Steph Curry six foot three.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I mean, he'd be you know, he's he's a big corner. Ye,
he's big as like Reek Wohlan, you.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
Know, I mean, and he looks like the smallest guy
in the court. But I was at the the Malice
at the Palace and I remember that when it started
and they have this there's these benches, media benches, and
they're behind the bench of the team. And you know me, dude,
what do you think I'm doing. I'm not staying around there.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm at that point.

Speaker 10 (51:45):
Yeah, I'm not kidding, I'm not. I'm not scared to
admit it. I saw Ben Wallace and run oar Tesco
at I sprint out like I am out of here,
and I'm leaving the leaving the court. I see these
two dopes who had way too many beers running towards
the court in Germany. O'Neil is standing there, the former Blazer,
and it doesn't and he's you know, he's tall, but
he's not that big. But then you get up to him,

(52:05):
he's six eleven, probably two fifty two sixty. And these
two guys stopped in their tracks, like slid on the
court and fell down to turn around, almost like a cartoon,
because they just needn't realize from their from their you know,
nosebleed seats that Germine O'Neil can kill you with like
two fingers.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I mean, it's just it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (52:22):
So, like you said, go back to your original point,
which every one's probably forgotten by now. You get two
of those guys fighting, Oh my god, and they're not
on ice and they can get leverage. I mean, somebody's
gonna get killed, somebody, somebody's gonna learn a lesson too.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, you're not gonna you're you're not gonna be Dylan
Brooks and be a dummy anymore. Hey, so NFL drafts
in the books I'm looking through here, this is the
I have to.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Talk about this. We have to talk about.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
It on.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Uh, We're sitting at Seahawks headquarters on Saturday and we tease.
I said, I can't wait to have Lundon. So is
the edge D tackle, linebacker, corner de tackle D tackle not?
So you got Jordan James from Oregon. Cool, that's fun
little pick.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I like the Curtis Work pick. That's just basically off brand.
Brock perty good. Uh yeah, yeah, And what the hell
are they doing?

Speaker 10 (53:11):
So the Seaux really had a nice draft. I really
liked the kid. They took the second round safety early. Oh,
we're gonna talk about the Niners. They took a guy here. Okay,
so the first round pick I don't like. I think
that's a big swing of the swing of the bat
because the the Niners need starters there there.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
They don't have anybody in the front seven. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 10 (53:30):
If you look at like Pro Football Focus, they have Boats,
they have Warner and then that's it. In the secondary.
They just found out Mustafa who had a really nice
game against Seattle up there. He's got a torn ACL.
They've got a major bunch of problems on the on
the defensive side, and they brought Robert Soliback. So they're
kind of excited about it. So they take a big
swing with Michel Williams, which I don't like. And then
they take a guy named Alfred Collins. He's probably one

(53:52):
of the biggest people on earth now that we say it.
He's six six, three thirty two. But then I look
at lampser line does the NFL dot Com analysis is
comp for him?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Javon Kinlaw, who was all which.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
His cup is Javon in Law because.

Speaker 10 (54:08):
He's a six six defensive tackle. You can't get your
pads down low. Not to get all technical, but you're
gonna get blown off the ball and on skates. They
took a guy named Nick Martin at Oklahoma State in
the third round. He was injured all year. About one
hundred and fifty picks ahead where they're supposed to do.
They took a five foot eight slot corner. I'm sure
the Seahawks won't take advantage of that with Cooper Cup.
What's cup like six three? So they'll take keeper Cup

(54:29):
and they'll put him in the slot against the guy
named Upton Stout who's five foot eight and one hundred
and eighty one pounds. I mean, I'm just it's miss
after miss Maybe they're gonna be great because I don't
know what do I know about the draft, but they
needed a bunch of Honestly, they needed about six starters
on defense, and I maybe a couple of those dtackles
will start just out of necessity. Williams probably will. But

(54:51):
I think the rest of the division. I think Arizona.
I like Walter Nolan. I like what they did in
the second round with will Johnson. What the Seahawks did,
I don't know what people are saying up there, but
they a perfect fit. Em and Warri right, he's a
good pick. Arroya is a smart pick. I mean, that's
not normally what the Seahawks do. They kind of go
weird all over the board. I even like the mill
Row pick. I don't mind taking a swing on that.

(55:12):
I like the Kid Mills from Notre Dame. So I
think Seattle did a nice job. I think Arizona did
a nice job. The Rams got a first round pick.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I got a stupid.

Speaker 10 (55:19):
Atlanta that'll probably be a top ten pick.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
So I think the rest of the NFC West did
a really good job. I think I don't know.

Speaker 10 (55:26):
John Lynch said down here that really the whole offseason
hinged on the draft because they let so many guys
go and and people are out here just like and
again we could be wrong, because you know we're not,
you know, munch of mel Kiper sitting around here screaming
about Shedur Sanders. But I mean every pick they had
outside of Mickel Williams was like thirty picks or one
hundred picks of you know where it was supposed to be.

(55:47):
It just they didn't have any rhyme or reason to
their draft.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
You know what's wild. It feels like role reversal, right,
like like this is the like the Seahawks taking ds
Gridge ahead to create Hull Frey. Yeh, some guy named
el Jay Collier. You know, I mean, all these Mcowell,
Malik McDowell, all these guys like Seattle Dog. Seattle went
through this stretch where they had probably for four years
in a row, the best drafts in the NFL every

(56:11):
single year. And then they went through a stretch where
they thought, Okay, we're just gonna start taking Christian Michael
running back when you just signed Marshaw to an extension,
like all that stuff, right, Rashad Penny in the first round,
on and on and on. It feels like the Niners
all of a sudden think they're the smartest guys in
the room and got a little ahead of themselves and

(56:31):
got too cute, which I love.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Loving to I think so they have to.

Speaker 10 (56:36):
And the thing is, like I said, it's they're really
at a crossroads down here of can they maintain this
or not done.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
They resigned George Kittle, but that's not a surprise.

Speaker 10 (56:45):
They'll get Perdie done. They'll get they'll restructure Fred Warner,
they'll get some of the key pieces that everybody knows.
But to just kind of further your point, which I
think is a good one for once for you, is.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
That the clip that please got it?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
But this don't take take the last part. It's gonna
be just that where I said, he made a good
point and you're clip it from there.

Speaker 10 (57:04):
But you're right, it's not only the draft, but it's
also where they are where Seattle those picks you just
mentioned with the Seahawks that was kind of at the
end of the run, and they're trying to, you know,
recreate this whole thing and they just couldn't do it.
And they've had, look, they've had really good drafts a
out here.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
But it's hit and miss.

Speaker 10 (57:18):
You know, for every Rock Perty, there's a Trey Lance.
You know, for every Fred Warner, they took Trey Sermon.
Like they've just they have been probably the biggest roller
coaster team in Feast or Fam and they don't really
have a lot of in between guys. They have guys
that can't make the roster, or they have guys that
are really.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Really good, and so it's a head it's a head scratcher.

Speaker 10 (57:36):
Maybe they are smarter than everybody else, but it's it's
a real head scratcher.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
What they did. And I understand they needed defense, but
it didn't look like they got a lot of starters.

Speaker 10 (57:43):
And they're in trouble.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I mean, they have.

Speaker 10 (57:46):
One defensive lineman and Bo So they have one linebacker
and Warner. They have one defensive back in Dimon Lenore.
Outside of that, and I'm just talking defensively. They'll score points,
but I'm just talking defensively the defense that you've seen
from the forty nine years, that's long. Unless Robert Sala
can just do great work with very little.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
If he can, like.

Speaker 10 (58:05):
On my show, I could say, you know, he could
shine the s but it's it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Be a problem. Hey, they're gonna be a problem defensively.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I'm curious the I mean, it was a first round
pick three overall, and and so it's a little different.
He didn't play it. There wasn't a lot of tapes.
He just played like the one game in Trey Lance.
But you know, the forty nine ers took a swing
at a guy that you know had massive upside of quarterbacks.
Sale did the same thing, but they waited till the
third round. And it's that's not a shot, it's just
the reality, Like why do you think Trey Lance has

(58:32):
never worked out? And like all these guys are getting,
you know, opportunities around the league, albeit the smallest and
smallest sample sizes. But when we were down there covering
the game, when was it twenty twenty one, twenty two
his first game, right?

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
And I know they had kind of struggled in the
rain the week before in Chicago, but before he broke
his ankle, before he broke his ankle, he was like scary,
like running around throwing the ball. I mean, why is
this guy never worked out?

Speaker 10 (58:57):
He just it's I think it's the most common problem
the league, and it's the same one that Milroe is
gonna face is Okay, milro is a tremendous athlete, but how's.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
It going to get better? Where is he going to
get the reps?

Speaker 10 (59:07):
There needs to be a minor league or there needs
to be something. And then the offseason it's so limited
and how much you can work with your team, So
then you got to find a quarterback coach and guys
to throw with. And it's not about it's not about
physical skills with Jaleen no Road, it's about he's got
to get reps right. He's got to read defenses, and
he's got to get smarter, and he's got to know
you know, he's got to get through his progressions incredibly fast.
That's what Rock Purty can do for the forty nine ers. Well,

(59:28):
Trey Lance played seven on seven football in high school
in Minnesota. He went to North Dakota State. He was
the best athlete on the field and was never really challenged,
so he ran a bunch of times. He just he
didn't know how to read defenses. Still doesn't. I mean seriously,
sometimes in training camp it was like nukelelutions on the
field and.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
You had no idea where the football was going. I
almost got pegged right.

Speaker 10 (59:48):
And I'm not paying attention anyway, you know, I'm just
gonna asked like questions afterwards and not really pay any attention.
But but uh, I almost got peg right in the head.
I wasn't even close to the field. I was like
way over on it, you know, on an end zone.
It was like, like I said, it was like nuke
le lous. He had no idea where the ball was going.
But the main thing is where I think he is
a poster child for this is how do you develop
a quarterback? Because remember he played during the pandemic.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
He had one.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
Starters last year. He had I think total starts in
his career like thirteen or something like that. He came
into the league at twenty years old, So Kyle Shanahan
should have been smarter than that to know that here's
a guy that it just hasn't played enough football. So
how are you going to get him better? Well, Jimmy
Garoppolo is on the team, and this is a team
that was in a Super Bowl window. There just wasn't
a chance to play now where Seattle, you know, when

(01:00:31):
they drafted Russell Wilson for example, Wilson had lots of
time both at North Carolina State Wisconsin. He had been
in a pro style offense. He'd done all these things.
He was a mature guy, like he had enough time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I don't know how.

Speaker 10 (01:00:42):
You develop a quarterback. And I'll use like I said,
I'll use mill Rose as the example. He played big
time at Alabama, but even in the SEC, it's like, Okay,
one read, two reads maybe, and then he's out of
the pocket and using his athleticism. How is he going
to as good as he is and as grave an
athlete as he is. He's kind of like Trey Lanston.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
He's a better athlete, but how is.

Speaker 10 (01:01:02):
He going to get better? Like, what's his avenue to
get better? Because he's not going to play in games?
Because the Seahawks have to win. So Darnold's gonna play.
He's gonna play some preseason, he's gonna play in practice,
things like that, But you have to play in games.
The NFL needs a better way to develop quarterbacks because
I love I think Milroe could be a star in
this league.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
But how's it going to get better?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Well, we get that's a good conversation next week, So
maybe stop worrying about playing regular season games in Europe
and just have to go back to the European League
with young guys. All I got out of that though,
was I'm picturing my mind. So you're not the guy
with the ninety man roster that's checking off every single name.
You know, You're not like like what is it Barrows

(01:01:40):
or whoever else does that down there and like sitting
there like, oh my god, Jalen Moore backup left tackle.
He's not on the field right now. That's a huge story.
I better, I should I should tweet it. I should
probably tweet it right now because fans want to know.
And then you get in trouble to nial so tweet
stuff during practice. You're not that guy. You're not just
sitting there like checking off every name.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Okay, good, I know that shocks you at a level.
I'm just there.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
I'm there to shake hands, kiss babies and and you know,
the social last man, and then afterwards ask them questions
that pissed off Kyle Sandan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
That's kind of my role within you know, everybody's kind
of got.

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
A roll within this whole group of reporters that cover
all the sports, and I'm kind of, you know, I
just I just try to get you know what, you
know what it is like. We're radio guys. We're just
trying to get that funny quote. You know, we're not
breaking stuff down. I'm not splitting Adams over here. We've
already established that with you earlier on in the interview.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I mean, that's what we do.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
You know what I got it of the segment is
that you guys both don't like big words, so I'm
gonna keep putting them in the show.

Speaker 10 (01:02:37):
Let me tell you just let me tell you something.
One of the first things, and I know Ian knows
this too, one of the first things you you hear
in radio is kiss keep it simple, stupid?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
What you did?

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
I know you're not people on the air are. That's
why we do this. We don't know all this stuff
we did. We're not again, we're not split at keep
it simple.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
When I was Doingking, I was doing when I was
doing minor league hockey play by play, and we like
those that was before games were streamed, so it was
just radio like. Man, I'd look at a roster like
there's six guys will never touch the puck. In this broadcast,
we're more like in the third game thirtain now three
games and three nights, and the third ones in Fort Wayne,

(01:03:20):
Indiana at one o'clock in the afternoon. And look down there. Yeah,
that guy's not touching the punk. That guy's not touching
the punk. That guy's not kidding me. Can't do that anymore. No,
every game's on TV. If you just radio is still streamed. Man,
you can't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
They got you. Sorry, sorry, you can't pronounce that name, man,
but he just scored.

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Better work it. That's incredible, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Tell people about John London, John London leashed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
It is blowing up beyond belief. And we're getting a
lot of people from Seattle, so it's really cool. John
London unleashed.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
Check it out on YouTube.

Speaker 10 (01:03:53):
YouTube chunt John London Least John London at.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Least dot com.

Speaker 10 (01:03:56):
And I do I look, I stay within the NFC
West and and I'm a big proponent of the West.
I talk a lot about Seattle sports. And there may
be hate, but we love you too, so we know
how it goes. And hopefully we can get this rivalry
back to where both teams are really good. I think
the Seahawks are going in the right direction. I'm not
so sure about the forty nine ers, so it'd be
nice supposed to be good at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Again, I agree, but that does not break anybody's heart
up here. We'll talk to next week. Buddy, Thank you,
I know there, John Loon, John Len the leash Go
subscribe check it out does a great job. So you
break text line four nine, four to five to one. Thoughts, comments, questions, concerns, complaints.
Will do that next.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Live from the R and R Foundation specialists broadcast studio
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Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Let's get right to the text four nine four to
five to one. That is the unrestricted free agent to UFA.

Speaker 15 (01:04:55):
Line there for I'm there, give me a call.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Four nine, four to five to one. Here we got
see love the poll from Bull Durham nuke laluch. That
was a one pole, was it not? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
I think it was.

Speaker 15 (01:05:08):
Yeah, he's pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah he I don't do movie smart I don't do
movie referenceslid. That could also mean dance two six John
a great guest, always entertaining five four to one. Interesting
to hear one say San Francisco is in trouble, but
MGM has San Francisco the highest win total in the
West at ten and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
I would I take the under on that too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
And the Rams are the I mean right.

Speaker 15 (01:05:35):
Yeah, this is not going to be a division.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Now that Lund isn't doing pre imposts for the forty
nine ers and working for them anymore, you get a
little more honest answer out of them. Huh, we suck.

Speaker 16 (01:05:47):
He always has been like very down on them as
everyone else is up, which is weird people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Think he does he does. Quinn says, stoked about mill Roll,
but curious about all your thoughts. They carry three quarterbacks
in the roster all year, Like I like locks primary backup,
but can this team afford the roster spots to him
and Milroe the enters. Yes, you're not drafted the guy
in the third round and not signing Drew Lock to
the We talked about this a great belly o the
day on our draft shows Friday. I guess it was

(01:06:17):
just the way the contract for Lock is structured, and
where you drafted Milrow, You're gonna have three quarterbacks on
your roster. That has not happen here in Seattle on
a regular basis, maybe a couple of exceptions a week here,
a week there, when guys are banged up, right, But
on the act of fifty three man they haven't had
three quarterbacks. They will. And then if when you listen
to what Mike McDonald was saying, Sam Darld's going to

(01:06:39):
take ninety percent of the snaps night, he's not one hundred. No,
it's not Drew Locke's not getting ten percent of the
snaps in the game. This isn't you know, We're not
We're not trying to get somebody a letter here and
you know, get him a lettermans jacket. This is that's
not what we're doing. There will be a package for Milrow.
It sounds like at least that'll be planning now. Nothings
could change whole line, fourth and one goal one. I
think it just be situated. It could be anywhere, right,

(01:07:00):
you know, it could be anywhere. But they will keep
three on the roster. That's why they traded Sam howl
Well over the weekend. If people missed that, we didn't
Eve bring that up really, I mean, I'm sure most
people know that by now. They traded Sam Howl on
the weekend.

Speaker 16 (01:07:10):
So, but I also think you're gonna start to see
more NFL teams do three quarterbacks. I think you saw
that with the Browns. Obviously they're going to have to
cut bait with one of them at least, But I
just think there's gonna be more teams that have three
quarterbacks on roster.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's the conversation we've had with coach Homegron a lot
of times. Yeah, and he's right, you know, Lunch just
brought it up. How can you develop quarterbacks in the NFL? Now,
it's hard to get practice reps, but if you have
at least three on the roster, those guys can work,
you know, by themselves on the field after practice with
practice squad guys.

Speaker 7 (01:07:41):
Young guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
We see that all the time, training camp guys come
out of early and do stuff or late what have you.
But you know, Seattle, historically, since Peak got there in
twenty ten and now he's been gone for a couple
of years, they've had two quarterbacks. Hell, I'd make the
argument one year they only had one because Boykin was
so awful they couldn't play him when Rus had a
broken leg. Basically, so like it's it's been a Mike

(01:08:03):
Holman's right. Hughes talked about it. It should be mandatory
to have three quarterbacks on the roster. I look at
almost like quarterbacks, almost like goalies in the hockey.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Yeah, you need an e bug.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Can you imagine just having an e bug not a
real two backup court?

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah, or having just two in your whole system. Yeah,
like no, you would never do that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
You know, we saw what happened two years ago in
the NFC Championship game, right with the San Francisco I
think one has become my favorite weekly segment on this
entire station.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Tell him that, don't tell him that.

Speaker 15 (01:08:36):
That's why he waited until now to read it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeahs by listing online. I heard what you said. I
want money, I want paid, Give me the money.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
He's just straight up fun and whether he downplays it,
but he knows this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I'll read this one just for giggles. Two o six Ian.
They are referring to the crack Ian. They are a
terrible team, They have terrible personnel. Ron Fran has done
a terrible job at this point, that's not disputable. Just
hopefully they can turn it around. If not, he's got
to go h somebody else. A good job, knowing Ron
Francis thow you under the bus to save himself. Sure,

(01:09:11):
a good job, just that that one first, That's not
what happened him moving upstairs. Have been in the works
for months, Water getting the promotion and planning for months.
Ron took the bullet getting rid of Disco. That was
a group decision that he spearheaded. But that wasn't That

(01:09:31):
doesn't happen if you don't get buy in from everyone, everyone,
including the business and the you know, money people on
that side, the terrible personnel. You build a hockey team
down the middle. Veneers admittedly has to be better. Yeah,
like Wyat Johnson has jumped past him, but Maddy's a

(01:09:53):
solid player. Shane Wright has a chance to be better
than that. Chandler Stevenson really.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
Good player better Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Joey really good, Montour really good, Vin's done, Vince done,
extremely good. Coppole Cocko A baby a kid still, Shane
writes a kid, he's a baby, you know, tolding him
they've got pieces. They're missing a couple high end pieces
to get them that exl and I think frankly they're
missing a good coach. Yeah, that's that's as simple as that.

(01:10:22):
But if you want to say that they terrible job,
Berkeley caton draft pick looks okay right now. Yeah, and
you're gonna see a couple of other guys up here
real soon. They have not been perfect, the Grubauer contract, bad,
Rakowski contract, bad, bad decisions, bad everything, But to say
they've done a terrible job is just it's that's wrong.

Speaker 16 (01:10:41):
I think that actually, like the firing of coach, Biosma
explains that they've expected more from the personnel.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
Grip that they got.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 16 (01:10:49):
So maybe you can look at it both ways right
where they're kind of taking making the coach take the
bullet for it, but it they believe in the players
that they have on this team and they just need
someone to get more out of them. Yes, they're still
going to go out and do something hopefully in the summer.
A big name would be great. Score, some goals would
be great. Be Able to avoid the injuries would be

(01:11:10):
great as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Keith Miller gets the final word, as always, thank you
guys for keeping one leashed. And Vak's diction may be huge,
but we don't want to see it.

Speaker 15 (01:11:22):
You don't have to see it, you only have to
hear it.

Speaker 16 (01:11:24):
I don't know if he was that leashed. We broke
at twenty seven. Let's not talk about all right, We'll
take you coming up next.

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
Deep didity data da didity didity.

Speaker 13 (01:11:45):
Hey, you think Deon Sanders thought should do or would
be a fifth round draft pick?

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
By the way, in the NFL draft?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
You're talking to me?

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
Who else would I be talking to? I'm just why
are you talking? Why do you?

Speaker 13 (01:11:54):
Why don't you just sit back and let let Jess
when I talk? If you think Sanders thought to do
her would be a fifth round.

Speaker 15 (01:12:02):
Draft I thought he would be a top five draft pick.

Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
And this is this is what I would say to
believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Now, Hey, I was. I was listening to my friend
John Canzano's podcast.

Speaker 13 (01:12:16):
The Two John's The Two John's John Doe that from
the John By the way, I think I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Think one of them, I think one of them actually does.
I think one of them actually does. Jess drink dresses champagne.

Speaker 9 (01:12:25):
That wasn't that they should do it from the toilet.

Speaker 11 (01:12:32):
I actually thought about what that would sound like, and
it made me giggles.

Speaker 13 (01:12:36):
Flushing every time they go to a break. They flushed
the toilet.

Speaker 15 (01:12:40):
Actually a pretty good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
The great thing about their podcast they don't do breaks
in the segment was terrible. Flush it, flush it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:46):
But for a word from arch.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Sponsorzano had the exact same, Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:12:51):
What is she hammered, what the hell there?

Speaker 7 (01:12:53):
Smashed?

Speaker 11 (01:12:55):
Why?

Speaker 15 (01:12:55):
Because I made a fart noise?

Speaker 9 (01:12:56):
She just sounds like you're toasted.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
She calling, she's calling uber to get home. That's an indication.

Speaker 15 (01:13:01):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
I was our good friend Lori Carter, who we love
here and h Carter, great saleswoman here at iHeart Radio,
and I toasted her and the Heart Radios.

Speaker 9 (01:13:14):
You had leftovers.

Speaker 15 (01:13:16):
You had what now, left leftover from the toast, leftover champagne.

Speaker 9 (01:13:20):
Yeah, okay, all right, I didn't know you were a lightweight.
Holy moly, No, I'm not.

Speaker 15 (01:13:24):
I'm just an idiot.

Speaker 13 (01:13:26):
Okay, well I need that drop anders that that to
that right now, don't worry, And that dropped the full
lightweight part two.

Speaker 9 (01:13:35):
I just want I'm an idiot, That's all I need.

Speaker 13 (01:13:37):
And put that next to her getting turned on by
our deal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
As soon as you said that and was hand up
in the air and goes I got you.

Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
I got you, I got you, all right, Dick Fane's
out today, by the where's I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
That's this man has no Dick Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:13:56):
Here he's not here. We got no deck.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Well he's not What do you want?

Speaker 9 (01:14:00):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Who's replacing Dick?

Speaker 13 (01:14:02):
Hugh Millen Okay, okay, he'll be on the air until
next Wednesday.

Speaker 9 (01:14:07):
Oh you know he's he's off Friday. Friday.

Speaker 13 (01:14:10):
We're doing the show from you, dub and Hugh is
not available Friday, okay, and then I think he'll be
on with us on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
By the way, you need me to come out to
you have and fill in for him.

Speaker 13 (01:14:20):
Phenomenal idea, great idea, Come on out man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah, I'll just you'll see me there.

Speaker 9 (01:14:24):
I'll go to pullman.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah, with you was?

Speaker 13 (01:14:28):
I am the former host of The Mike Price Show
with Bob Robertson getting fired by Dave Iverson.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Remember Dave Dason.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
This is like mid mid.

Speaker 13 (01:14:37):
To late nineties, and I remember Dave Iverson calling the
hotline in the old building that was his one ninety
Queen Anne so three buildings ago and telling me off
the year you'll never do this show again, to which
I said to him, Why am I here anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Was the first answer? Gooding here man? Yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
That was a fun time. Me and Bob Rob had
a great time.

Speaker 13 (01:14:57):
But that is a fun softy fact that I once
hosted the Mike Price Show with Bob Robertson.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Dave Iverson also the guy that fired Bob Robertson fired
me the shakel Award winners as a College Football Hall
of Famer. He fired Bob Robertson.

Speaker 9 (01:15:12):
That makes two.

Speaker 17 (01:15:14):
So you and Bob have both been fired. Correct, you've
been fired. I'll tell you about always go for two Always.
So I was telling you about Kenzano. He had the
exact same Shador Sanders Media Day stories.

Speaker 13 (01:15:28):
You did really like the exactly like using the interview
that was so he says, I've never had an interview. Well,
I'm really that was. They bummed out that we didn't
keep it. I mean, Andrews, are you claiming that you
were with us?

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
I remember doing that.

Speaker 9 (01:15:40):
So we were in Vegas at the at the hotel.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Can you tell me what it is? I'll find it.

Speaker 13 (01:15:44):
Well, just google it, man, Come on, what year is
twenty twenty three?

Speaker 9 (01:15:48):
Two years ago?

Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
Twenty three?

Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Right, because last year was the was the first one
of the Big ten.

Speaker 13 (01:15:52):
So whatever day that was, we had Chador on, we
and we recorded most everything because everything was happening before
we went live at three obviously, right, Caleb Williams, Michael Pennix,
uh boor I'm trying to think who else was there?

Speaker 9 (01:16:05):
Bo Nicks was great.

Speaker 13 (01:16:07):
Landing obviously kind of got after him.

Speaker 9 (01:16:09):
That was fun.

Speaker 13 (01:16:10):
But Shador was just so awful that we didn't even
bother using the interview. Was even Eric that was I said,
no interesting in being there. The guy looked like he'd
rather have a conoscoped on top of a root canal
than do my radio show.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Kazon, who would exact Kanzono told the similar story. He said,
the thing that was wild is that that particular media
day when you think about the guys that were there, Pennix,
NFL player, first round pick cam Ward, first overall pick,
Dylan Gabriel was a draft pick.

Speaker 13 (01:16:40):
Was he there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Maybe Gabriel was there? Anyway, there's however many he was there.
He went to bon Nix. There you go, that was
bon Nicks. All these drafted quarterbacks in the NFL. Right
now that that all went higher for the most part
than this guy did, and none of them acted like that.

Speaker 13 (01:16:56):
Friday, July twenty first, Come on and Find It twenty first,
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Bummer, you guys love it.

Speaker 13 (01:17:04):
I love it. If you could find it, I mean,
it would have been it would have been way more
relevant last week to play. You know, I think a
little bit just to kind of give people an idea
of what I think.

Speaker 15 (01:17:11):
You didn't save it because it was so bad.

Speaker 13 (01:17:14):
That's exactly. Yeah, just dumped it. I mean Jackson and
I were both like the hell with it? I mean,
I don't know, maybe Jackson was gone, it was me
and Andrews, and maybe it was Andrews who made the call.

Speaker 9 (01:17:21):
I'll just blame him.

Speaker 6 (01:17:23):
But that's a good sid idea.

Speaker 13 (01:17:25):
Yeah, he just he was so awful and so just
completely disconnected and yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
You yes, you do or that we just we just
both of you.

Speaker 9 (01:17:34):
Didn't even bother saving the damn thing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:35):
Man.

Speaker 15 (01:17:35):
So it's twelve media DAYO.

Speaker 13 (01:17:38):
Yeah, I'd love to play it, but I have no
idea where it is just gone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Well, the good news is the good news is.

Speaker 13 (01:17:43):
Like his odds of being a first round draft pick.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Your friends in Cleveland will have plenty of those interviews
coming up right now. I was there, and right after
we did it, you said it's so bad deleted.

Speaker 13 (01:17:54):
And need forget about it, don't even use it. Yeah, yeah,
it was my fault. But who knew, right, who knew
that he would become lightning Rod? It was big controversy
and blah blah blah. This is why you don't delete
anything that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
All right, no Dick today, but what else?

Speaker 9 (01:18:07):
No Dick today? Nick is out? We have no Dick.
He is not here.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
Yes, it's true, this man has no Dick.

Speaker 13 (01:18:13):
Your yin's in for Dick faint today. Okay, the offensive
coordinator for North Dakota State. Oh well, join us by
the way, talking about Gray's abel at three twenty. Yes,
John Wilner is going to join us and kind of
recap everything in the draft from a big ten PAC
twelve perspective. Coming up at five o'clock tonight, Brian Schmitzer
from the Brian Schmetzer Orchestra as well at five point
forty five, and plus we're going to replace some of

(01:18:34):
our conversation yesterday with Jalen at Milrow.

Speaker 9 (01:18:37):
Did you hear that, by the way, I did?

Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
I did you did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
You're lying.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I listened to it this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:18:42):
When I anything you're saying you.

Speaker 15 (01:18:44):
Went on to your preset on your I went popping up?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Is probably I just turned on my iHeart. I miss
right there right now. Just takes some whiles.

Speaker 13 (01:18:52):
You just sent an email with the jess I'm an
idiot drop. It didn't attach the drop, by the.

Speaker 15 (01:18:56):
Way, just say it all right, Oh so I'm the idiot.

Speaker 13 (01:18:58):
There's nothing on this email, you idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I was listening to Jaylen Milroll this morning. That was Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:19:13):
You know what, that's actually a hell of an idea.
How about all of us just have the guts to
play right now? The last thing that we listened to
and watched on our.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Phone, well, I just I just played mine. You want
to go?

Speaker 9 (01:19:24):
I can't hear you bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Thank you for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable inverness.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
This is paddled day saying so long everyone,

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