Furness Show 5-19: Mollywhop with Nathan Bishop, Walter Jones

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
The Mariners took out the broom and they just beat
the podres right over the bean with it. How about
that fifteen to three in the series where the final
scores a six to one win Yesterday, Brian Wu was
absolutely fantastic, giving up just five hits and one run
in seven inns. Mariners now with a two and a
half game lead over Houston in the Al West All

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and they played not.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Even the Triple A White Sox. That's a Double eight team.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
This is not a baseball team.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Can we just like, I mean, you never want to
assume the sweep, but oh my god, that's a bad
baseball team in good situation. They certainly are much better
situation than the Nuggets that didn't.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Go well yesterday.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Jess didn't go well one twenty five ninety three OKC
win in Game number seven. They faced Minnesota tomorrow at
five thirty. Knicks and Pacers get it going. Wednesday at
five o'clock NHL Playoffs Panthers s blasted the Leafs six
to one in a Game seven win yesterday. They'll take
on the Hurricanes and the Conference finals beginning tomorrow. Dallas

(01:10):
defeat of the Jets two to one in overtime on
Saturday to advance to take on the Oilers in the
conference finals that begins on Wednesday, and the Eagles reward
head coach Nick Siriani multi year extension after the team
won the Super Bowl, and Scottie Scheffler just being Scotti
scheffer he was on a different planet than any other
player in the entire PGA Championship, winning by five. Here

(01:31):
we go yesterday, a full day of sports.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
My goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I had to get the I was telling you about
this on the phone earlier today, Jess. I had to
get the family out of the house. I was like, Okay,
the kids are not going to sit there on their
phones on a Sunday. We're going to go out and
do something. We're going to find a trail to walk on.
We're gonna find a beach to go. We're gonna do something.
And then I'll just record everything. You know, have a
cocktail in the afternoon and watch all the stuff that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
And that's kind of what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
You know, we came back, We got back in the
car after you know, doing some fun stuff and and
it was like the fourth inning of the Mariners game
and boom right then and there is like run run,
we got the.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Four to one lead.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Here we go and was able to watch the rest
of that game. And then I watched the PGA Championship.
I told I told my buddies, I told my fantasy
golfing friends, don't text me.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm not I'm not watching, So I don't know what's
going on exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And you know what, I got through without knowing who
was gonna win, although I think everybody knew what was
going to happen in the In the PGA Championship, it
got close there for a while. Rom made a run,
Bryson made a run but was too much Scottie Scheffler.
And then I recorded the basketball game as well. But
I said, all right, I'm gonna take a peek, you know,
I'm gonna take a peek and see if this is

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worth watching, because I'm not gonna start this from the
get go. If Okac is gonna gonna roll, And so
I peaked at the phone and it was like eighty
four to sixty six.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
In the first quarter. You really thought they had a chance.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
And you know, you go make something for lunch, you
come back and you go, oh like.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Oh no, And so I was like, you know what, No,
I'm not gonna waste my There is no part of
me that wants to see the Oklahoma City thunder fans
celebrate a Western Conference semifinal victory.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
So that one I just stayed away from.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
There'll be plenty of basketball for me to watch over
the next month with the with the semis ear with
the East and West Finals, and the and the NBA Finals,
and uh so a lot of good stuff. And then
when do we talk about today? Well, you know, John
Schneider's kind of a Friday news dump. But John Schneider
was on the Rich Eisen Show on Friday, and you know,
it really wasn't blasted out there on Twitter much. I

(03:41):
saw a link on like the NFL Trade Rumors Twitter site.
It wasn't like the Athletic it wasn't like ESPN dot com.
But I mean, this is a this is a pretty
big admission to tell us what exactly happened with dk
Metcalf from John Schneider on with rich Island.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
And had very open conversations the last couple of years
and about his future and and what that looked like
and what what he wanted, and you know, we always
had to do its best for the organization first and foremost.
That's what That's what drives us, everybody, everybody that throughout
the National Footballleague that that does what we do. And

(04:21):
it was a parent that he wanted to he wanted
to move on, and uh so when we got back
from the combine, we had some some real, uh you know,
clear direct conversations and at that point decided it was
probably best for both of us to move forward.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Was it a salary related thing, John, No, No, it
really wasn't.

Speaker 8 (04:41):
There wasn't.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
It was interesting because it wasn't like animosity either. It
was like, you know, somebody is really really uh you know,
we really really wanted a fresh start, and uh, you know,
it's not like you know, we went into the off
season thinking this would be a possibility, but he was
just uh, he was pretty he was pretty dug in
on it. So ended up working out for both clubs,

(05:02):
working out for US, working out for Pittsburgh, and we
wish the best. Is a great guy and obviously a
high end competitor.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right there at the end there.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
We didn't go into the off season thinking it was
a possibility, but he was just pretty dug in on it,
and you know, I think that just correct if I'm wrong,
But it almost seemed like the Seahawks and DK went
in obviously knowing that the relationship hasn't been the best.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
But I don't think anybody thought it was bad either.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
We've seen DK throw his tantrums on the field. We
see him throw his tantrums off the field. You know,
that's just that's just kind of what DK has been.
But I don't think anybody thought, well, this is a
this is something that has to happen, you know, as
far as trading him goes. And I've always been one,
you know, I've probably been of anybody on the station,
probably the lowest on re signing Dk Metcalf because I

(05:56):
am I do not want a thirty million dollar wide
receiver on my team unless their name is Jamar Chase
and Justin Jefferson and they are legit first team All Pro,
future Hall of Fame, you know, top ten receivers ever
in the history of the NFL. Okay I'll pay thirty
million dollars for those type of guys, not going to

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do it for a DK Metcalf. So for me, it
worked out. So I would like to thank DK Metcalf
for quote being very dug in on it and wanting
the trade, and it seemed like they got okay value
for a guy that just had.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
One year left on his contract and needed a new deal.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Well yeah, and you look at the arsenal that they have.
I mean that conversation. We didn't have time to play
the entire thing, but he talks about having JSN here.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Did that factor into it?

Speaker 6 (06:42):
And you know, DK, it's almost And I don't like
to compare cross sports, that's not fair, but I feel
as though it's almost comparative to Julio just because you
if he was Megatron, you know, like a literal, If
he's out there, the game changes, and he has had
those moments DK in his career.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
He can be. He has the physical acumen to.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
Be that person, but he didn't change the game the
way I would argue that Tyler Lockett changed more games
than he did, just with those clutch plays and everything.
Not that is not saying he is not ultimately talented
and a great physical specimen. But when I look at that,
I think they would have been forced to keep him
here and not make that trade should he had been

(07:30):
that guy, that game changer for the entirety of his short,
albeit short career here so far.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, and I think the lay you mentioned Tyler Lockett,
and I think the legacy of Tyler Lockett is going
to be is going to live longer than the legacy
of DK Metcalf in the lives of Seahawk fans, not
just because he played more years, but Tyler Lockett was
nothing but the consummate professional on and off the field

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every single day that he was here, and he gave
you everything, and he played for the Seahawks until he
had really nothing left. And it just I mean, to me, now,
I hope he still has something left. I hope he
is able to rekindle what, you know, some of what
he had. But to me, it just didn't look like
Tyler Lockett was Tyler Lockett anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
And it happens to everybody.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Well, you know, I mean, if you want to compare
career longevity, he outlasted everybody, you know, especially at that position,
because you know, he would take those, you know, I
don't want to use the word the balls, the death
balls that you know, we're thrown out there. He sacrificed
his entire body for things like that, and and you know,

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for a guy to last even ten years in the league,
regardless of position, is unheard of these days.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Four on four five one. We'll get to your text
a little bit later on in the show.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
We're going to do the Mollywop coming up in the
next couple of segments, Walter Jones is going to join
us at at two o'clock today, tell him about something,
telling us about something special he's doing tomorrow, and also
talk about DC and talk about Gino Smith not being here.
We haven't had I haven't talked to Walter since before
all those things happened with DK and with Gino Smith.
So we'll get Walter on it too, and then we'll

(09:09):
play your text at two thirty.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, what's your take on what you just.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Heard from John Schneider that you know and the money
quote that he was just pretty dug in on it.
DK metcalf period wanted out of Seattle. How does that
affect his legacy here? How does that affect how you
feel were you a DK fan before not as much anymore?
Or were you like me that I always recognized his talent.

(09:38):
But I agree with Jess. I don't think he changed
games that much. I don't think I can't go back
to a lot of games and say, man, DK metcalf
won that football game for the Seahawks. There were some,
but there need to be more than some over five, six,
seven years if you're gonna make thirty million dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Four nine four five one The Text Swoop Chat with
Nathan Bishop.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's the Mollywop segment on a Monday after a sweep
of the Potter's and the veter Cup.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Next on ninety three point three KJRFM.

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It's Monday and that means one thing. It's time to mollywop, uncensored,
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(11:29):
after a surprising, shall we say, sweep of the Vetter
Cup down in Sandago.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
Nathan, Yeah, I think Dick, this was it started out
like it was. It's been kind of this thing where,
I mean, everybody who listens as this show knows my
deal where I'm always expecting the worst thing to happen
at any given time. I think that's partially a personality thing,
and I think it's partially a half century of the
Seattle Marinerds doing that more or less all the time.

(11:59):
But then leading into that Yankees series basically played out
exactly how we thought it was going to. They were
pretty fortunate to sneak a game in there. They're up
and coming. Perhaps best starting pitcher Brian Wu pitched a
beautiful game, but it looked like the magic can run
out with the offense and through injury and just overall
attrition and playing over their head. It looked bad. And

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then lo and behold. I think this past weekend in
San Diego was to this point the high water mark
of this season. To go on the road against a
legitimately good team when you're lilting and you're starting Logan
Evans and Emerson Hancock, and no slide on those two guys,
but they do not have proven MLB track records. They
have been kind of hidd and miss thus far in

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the major leagues. To go on the road against the
Padres with two with those two guys starting games, and
to not just sweep, but to dominate. They were the
better team on the field all weekend long. They've won
plenty of games this year where I felt like they
were either not the best team or just caught the
right breaks at the right time. That was not the
case this weekend. They were the better team emphatically in

(13:03):
all aspects of the game. It was as impressive as
they have been all year to this point.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, I think you can go back to the last
game of the Yankees series, because that was one that
they really needed. Because I know what my mindset was,
and I can you know, I can slip into your
negative mindset as well.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
And when they lose the first two games to the Yankees.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'm like, oh my god, Okay, you're if if you
get swept by the Yankees, and then you got Logan
Evans starting the first game against San Diego, I mean,
this losing streak could just continue. I mean it could
become six, it could become seven, it could become eight,
and and they and they stopped the bleeding in New
York in that last game. And then let's talk about
Logan Evans in that first game seven hits and six innings,

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shutout baseball. What did you see from him, and did
you see anything from him that that led you believe that, hey,
this wasn't just a one off. This is a guy
that that when you need him to make spot starts,
he actually can give you six solid on a on
a regular basis.

Speaker 9 (14:00):
I think that you probably saw about the best case
scenario for Logan Evans. I didn't think that he was dominant.
But I think when we're talking about guys like Evans
and to a lesser extent, Hancock, who we've seen more now,
what we're looking at when we're talking about the Mariner's
depth with these guys is we're probably past that era.
I mean, we're probably past Most teams are not just

(14:21):
going to regularly crank out guys like Bryce Miller, George Kirby,
and Brian wu on the regular. But what we're seeing
from the Mariners starting pitching development is taking guys like
Logan Evans, at Emerson Hancock and when it seems like
those kinds of spot starts, when injury has finally gotten
to this rotation and you're forced to dip into your depth.
Even if there are guys like Hancock and Evans who

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are not superstar prospects, these are not top one hundred guys.
These are not guys. I know that Emerson Hancock has
draft pedigree, but through the minor leagues he was not
considered a top prospect the last couple of years before
he debuted. So what we're seeing is that this team
is able to get to your point, Dick, that man
legible quality start, which the quality start definition in modern

(15:03):
baseball really needs to be redefined. We say six innings
and three or few runs. Anytime you get a starting
pitcher going six or more innings in a game in
twenty twenty five, that is an excellent start in twenty
twenty five major League baseball. So if you're getting five
plus innings of three run two run ball from Logan
Evans and Emerson Hancock, it absolutely stabilizes. I don't know

(15:26):
if I think that Evans can be that guy as
a regular rotation guy, but to your point, they aren't
asking him to beat that because this rotation is going
to start to get healthy in the next couple of weeks.
It looks like we have George Kirby coming back. It
sounds like Bryce Miller is going to have a short
eyele stint. So all they need to do is hold
the fort for maybe another two to four weeks until

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this team's strength really can round into form. At least
that's the idea.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Speaking of those guys coming back, Kirby sixty four pitches
on Friday for Tacoma. The thought maybe the Houston series
is that we're looking at for Kirby and are we
looking when he does come back. Are we looking at
a six man rotation right now, just for the time being,
to make sure we're giving guys like Kirby and guys

(16:11):
like Gilbert and Miller when they come back, you know,
a little bit longer time in between starts, because it
does look like he got a little bit of depth
in that starting rotation.

Speaker 9 (16:20):
I think that that's probably the safe play, especially given
the way that this rotation has been hit by injury
this year, a way that has really not affected them
the last couple of years. A guy like Kirby sixty
four pitches, he was far from dominant in the minor leagues.
But really, what you're looking there is just pitch count,
making sure the stuff looks good, making sure that the
delivery looks smooth and healthy, and by all accounts it does.

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When he comes back, I'm sure he will be on
a strict pitch count. It does look like that will
be in the Houston Series. I'd say you're probably looking
maybe seventy five or so pitches, which for George you
would hope gets you through about five innings. And I
don't think they're going to be very aggressive with that.
And then what that means is we're gonna need to
you to see this bullpen, which until recently has been

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kind of a hit and miss, with the exception of
Andre's Munno's been kind of an up and down group.
But again with Matt Brash coming back, with Gabe Spire
looking better, there are bullpens are so funny because they change.
There is no part of a team that you feel
like can change from one thing to another over the
course of a season. And you can see the arms
in the bullpen and imagine a scenario where this becomes

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a plus. But to this point it's been up and down.
They're gonna need to continue to lean on those guys,
probably because you're just not gonna get Outside of Brian Wu,
the guy that I came into the year thinking was
probably the biggest health concern, every starting pitcher in this
rotation has struggled with either injury or some mild underperformance
in the case of Luis Castillo. So I think probably

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six man rotation because the nice thing about this Dick
they don't have to think short term panic. They've got
a two and a half game lead in the division.
We are building this season now, expecting to contend through
the summer, and that means that you can probably things
like a six man rotation and giving your guys the
time to get healthy for the second half.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, the high leverage arms really got tested on on Saturday,
and that that four to one win because Hancock only
goes four and two thirds did a pretty fine job
eighty eight pitches, fifty six strikes. But then you got
to go right to leverage. You got to go to Spire,
You got to go to Brash before you get to Munos.
Sominia Ligomino was in there as well, in between Brash
and and Munos, and that's what you're expecting. You got

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exactly what you were expecting from those high leverage arms.
You've been getting it from Munyos all year long. You
would hope to get it from Brash each time out.
He's got that new pitch that that he stole from
Andre's Munjos and and Gabeespire. I mean, he is your
most trustworthy left hander in that bullpen. So how confident
are you if that that you've got enough high leverage arms?

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You know they Vargas didn't pitch in that one, but
he pitched on Sunday. How confident? Like if on a
scale of one to ten, ten being like this is
freaking two thousand and one with Rhodes and Nelly and
kas Sazaki and you just know the game's over if
you get through six innings of work?

Speaker 5 (19:07):
How confident are you in this high leverage bullpen?

Speaker 9 (19:11):
I'm gonna go with a six on that, which maybe
sounds negative, but I don't mean it that way, because
I think the upside of this bullpen if it comes
together the way that you just outline the leverage arms
they have, their brash spire and Munho's is a potential
great back end of the bullpen there. If it all
comes together and those guys are healthy. It cannot be
overstated how good and how important Andres Munoz has been

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to the twenty twenty five Seattle Marris. He is not
allowed to run an earned run, excuse me, and at
just over twenty innings, he's off to the greatest start
of any Mariner reliever in history. And we've seen some
great ones between Kasasaki, Jeff Nelson, JJ Puttz, Edwin Diaz.
Here we have seen some great reliever seasons, andres Munos
is on pace to have the greatest relief season in

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the history of this organization. And I think the priority
now is just trying to limit that workload enough where
you still have him fresh down the stretch. And I
think that as far as confidence, what I want, I
want one or two more big arms. I'm not sure
if I'm quite there. As impressed as I've been with
their ability to coax good performance out of guys like
Carlos Margus In Casey, I'm just totally brain farted on

(20:19):
his last name, Leguma. Sorry, there we go, Yeah, we
got there, Beans, the Beans pitcher. As impressed as I've
been of the and Colin Snyder and some of these
other guys, I would love to see one or two
more lockdown arms because for all the reasons we've been
talking about, trying to get these starting pitchers into the

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sixth and seventh inning is probably just not realistic. You're
going to need nine ten eleven outs more nights than
not from the bullpen.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
You got a yesterday, You got a couple of added
runs in the ninth innings. She didn't have to use Munis.
I believe he got up though, didn't did did and
get up?

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (20:56):
He was out there stretching and getting ready to go.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, how much much?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know, there's been a couple of games where we've
seen Munios getting up in the pen hasn't gotten in.
Is that is that a concern? I mean, obviously you
don't want to even have to give him up. How
much juice is he using?

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Even if he doesn't get in a game?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
But if you but you got to get him up
four or five times a week, is that Is that
an issue over the course of the year. Is he
Is it not really a problem unless he gets into
games too many times?

Speaker 9 (21:26):
I think it's it's a mild concern if he's becoming
a regular habit. I think a guy getting up and
warming I mean, is it going to be the end
of the world if he does it once a week
or something like that. Not really, it's it's and pitching
is such a mysterious thing. We know a lot more
about it than we used to. But I think the
idea is just if you don't have to have a

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guy throw, especially a guy that important, you don't want
him throwing because you never know. It's just little little
things that add up. The baseball season is so so long.
If Andres Munhos gets up on May teenth in the
bullpen to kind of stretch and get a few throws in,
is at the end of the world. Absolutely not. If
he does it on May twentieth, again, if he does
it on May twenty fifth, now we're into July. Is

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he doing that two or three or four times a week?
Because that's the concern. It's just like having you know,
it's like having dessert. You know, if you if you
have a brownie after dinner, it's not going to kill you.
If you have a brownie every night after dinner, before
you know it, you're gonna be carrying it around an
extra twenty five pounds. And I think that's kind of
the same philosophy with pitcher usage. You can always use

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them outside of your preference a couple times, but you
need to be careful that you're not making that a habit.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, I have that brownie every night good for you, so,
but you know it's.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Can end well for me if I continue to do that,
no question about it. Nathan Bishop joining us. It's the
Mollywop Monday.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
After a very very successful sweep of the San Diego
Padres in the up and let's talk about the most
consistent starting pitcher for the Scattle Mariners in twenty twenty five.
Everybody knew it was going to be Brian Wu, right
Like everybody thought that the ace of the staff for
the first two months of the season was going to
be Brian woom My, guys, I am oh, I have

(23:09):
no doctorate in pitching.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
I am just I'm just gonna tell you what I see.
I just see an.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Ease about Brian Who's delivery and that that ball it's
it's sneaky ninety six, sneaky ninety seven.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
It's just it just looks foss out of his hand.
Right now? Are you seeing something different with Brian Wu
this year versus what you saw in the past.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
I think you're just seeing a more confident pitcher. I
think the journey that Brian Wu went on to even
become a major league starting pitcher was really unorthodox. This
is a guy with a really short track record in
minor leagues and in college baseball. Even he had not
thrown very many innings in college, both as a reliever
and a starter, primarily due to just various arm injuries

(23:54):
had kept him off the mound. And I think that
the idea that he could be a great starting pitcher,
from what I've read about the guy and the journey
he's been on, it took time for him to believe it,
and I'm still just amazed. I feel like I can't
stare directly at a BRANDWOU start because if I do,
it's going to then like turn into a wisp of

(24:15):
smoke and blow away. Because it feels that that special.
It feels like a miracle when you watch him pitch,
not just because of how unlikely his journey has been,
but to your point, Dick, the ease with which he
gets through major league lineups. You look up every I mean,
I think it's probably well known at this point this
is the only starting pitcher in baseball right now, all leagues,

(24:37):
all pitchers, all teams, to go at least six innings
in every single start. So not only is he the
ace of this staff right now, he's arguably one of
the aces of Major League Baseball, and he's doing it
with a fastball that he does an excellent job of
hiding his release. It has wicked upward and towards a

(24:58):
right handed hitter, towards in on the head hands on
a right handed hitter movement, and he dots that thing
with such beautiful control. He has some good off speed stuff,
but the way that if you ever want to see
a guy who can just it's it's like watching he
reminds me of roy Oswalt, which is a callback to
about twenty years ago. If you watch him pitch for
the Phillies back in the day, the way he uses
that two seem fastball and he just dots it all

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over the strike zone, and he starts that right at
the top of the zone on guys, and it doesn't
look like it's going anywhere to your point, but it's
so explosive with that upward movement that by the time
guys get their hands going on that high strike, they
just cannot get the bat to it. And every time
I watch him pitch, he gets through five and a
third and I look up and he's at like, holy crap,
he's at sixty five pitches. The efficiency that this guy

(25:44):
pitches with is not just the best on the staff
right now, it's legitimately among the best in baseball. So
I am, again, as both myself and as a Mariner fan,
terrified that it's going to end at any given time.
But right now, I think you can make a case
that Brian Wu is the crowning achievement of the Mariners
pitching development organization because to go from where this guy

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was to what he is now is an incredibly vast difference.
We're talking about a guy who was barely on most
teams radars coming out of college, and to grab that guy,
to get him healthy, to keep him healthy is just
everybody involved, including Wu obviously himself, deserves huge, huge kudos.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Upside of an ACE or still upside of a two
three starter.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
I think the realistic upside is a two and a
really good rotation. But I like the true ace. That's
a discussion that I mean, we could talk about what
makes a true ace in Major League Baseball in twenty
twenty five for an entire show. Probably there's so much
nuance and has changed so much.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I think he's dog.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Does he have the dog factor?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Because the difference between in my opinion, difference between an
ACE and a two starter. It's not really talent that much.
It's like, do you have the dog in you? Do
you have that? Do you have the ability with runners
on at second and third and one out in the
sixth inning.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Of a tie game.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Do you have the ability to get out of that jam.
That's that's for me, that's kind of what an ace is.

Speaker 8 (27:11):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (27:11):
I can totally align with that, And I think the
question is we don't know with most of these guys
because the way the baseball has changed, we teams don't
let guys test themselves in that way anymore. You know,
they get into that position and they go to the
bullpen nine times out of ten. So with WU, it's
hard to know if he has that the dog factor,
as you said, because the guy so rarely ever has
runners on second and third because of his efficiency. So

(27:34):
to me, I'm always going, I'm I'm with you, Dick,
Like I know that I talk about stats and all
that stuff, but when it comes to pitching, I'm an
old school guy. I think I think ace, I think
Felix Hernandez, I think a guy who's going eight plus.
I go back to the George Kirby start in twenty
twenty three with on Felix Knight, where he threw nine
shutout innings against the Baltimore Orioles. I think late innings,

(27:56):
going through the fourth lineup from the fourth time and
the you know, the manager wants to take you out,
and you're not gonna give up that ball. But that's
just not the way that these guys pitch any That's
not the way that teams let these guys pitch anymore.
So I think it's TVD with Wu. I think that
I align. I think, you know, what would be a
great time to find out when if this team makes
the playoffs and they put that guy in a playoff game,

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I think you find out really quickly where that dog
factor is. And I think that we're probably pretty aligned
by what we mean by that dog factor.

Speaker 8 (28:25):
But when the.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
Pressure gets ratcheted up, who wilts and who sticks? And
I would love to find out in October with Brian Wu.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
No question about it.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
You know, we haven't even talked about the offense yet,
and this offense has been one of the best offenses
on the road, at least in baseball.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
So do you do you have some time to stick
around with us for a second segment.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
Oh if it were Ian and Chris, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
But for you, Dick, I a beautiful all right, So
Nathan's gonna stick around or we're gonna do a second
segment of Mollywop.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
I mean, we've only touched.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
On We've only touched on one half of the baseball team,
the pitching side. We'll talk about the offense and my god,
how many home runs is Cal Rawley gonna hit this season?

Speaker 5 (29:05):
We'll do that coming up next.

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Speaker 5 (29:27):
Hey, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Mariners playing so well, we got to do two segments
of the Mollywap, Nathan Bishop joining us, and Nathan spent
a lot of time in the last segment on the pitching.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
But how about this offense. The Mariners have now beaten
guys name.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Sears, scooball Ovaldi, Crochet, you can add King to that list.
They actually beat freed as well, except he didn't take
the loss. I mean, this is six of the top
pitchers in the American League that this team has already
gotten w's against, not by bashing the baseball around, but
just what I love is, let me consistent four or

(30:01):
five runs a game. Haven't we been asking that for
years and years and years. It's like, I don't know
how many times Softie and I were just yelling at
the microphone, can you.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Just give me four? How hard is that to give
me four? And this year it's not hard for them
to give us four.

Speaker 10 (30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:18):
I think the way that they're doing it has been
a consistent We've talked about it a fair amount on
the show. But it's a consistent shift away from the
offense that they have been for years. And I don't
really know if it's the absence of the previous people
that were in charge there or how much of it
is Edgar Martinez and Kevin Seiser. I think it's probably
a little bit of both. But you're just seeing to

(30:38):
your point, Dick, the fact that this team is among
the best team to drawing walk to the second highest
walk rate in baseball, just behind the New York Yankees,
and they're just middle of the road on strikeouts. And
that doesn't sound like HI praise, except that I just checked.
So the Meritis have played forty five games so far
this year. That puts them at let's see, they are
the eighth highest strikeout team in baseball at twenty three

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point two percent through forty five games. Last year, Dick,
they were twenty eight percent. They were the highest strikeout
rate by more than two percent in Major League Baseball.
And when you do that, when you're putting the ball
in play, when you're getting on base through drawing walks,
it doesn't necessarily, to your point, lead to this explosive
nineteen ninety six nineteen ninety seven Mirrors experience, but it

(31:22):
takes the floor out of this offense. It means that
when we're facing you know, garbage pitchers, which we have
seen this team get dominated over and over and over again.
How many times have you seen Patrick Corbyan throw seven
plus innings against this team, or some triple A call
up that you've never heard of go five innings and
strikeout seven. Now, I did have one concerning start against

(31:42):
the Yankees where I think they struck out fifteen times.
But now that's the exception as opposed to the rule
of this offense, and being able to put the ball
in play and draw walks gives you so much more leeway.
Even though I don't particularly think the talent in this
lineup is accept action better than it was last year
or the year prior. It is just that they are

(32:03):
getting on base and they're putting the ball in play
in a way they have not done in a long
long time.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And we've always wanted an aircraft carrier in the middle
of this lineup, and there was just no way to
go get one, and they seemed a either unwilling to pay,
you know, hundreds of millions of dollars to bring one
in ie one Soto or somebody like that, or it
just wouldn't be able to trade for one. One wasn't available,
and one has just appeared in cal Raley. Cal Ray's

(32:30):
pace right now is fifty four home runs and one
hundred and fifteen RBIs. I don't think we'll stay on
that pace, But I mean, if you've got a forty
to forty five home run catcher that is the leader
of your team, I mean, I understand Aaron Judges is
probably the MVP but I mean, you don't have to

(32:52):
have Aaron Judge numbers to be a consideration for the
MVP if you're a catcher.

Speaker 9 (32:59):
Yeah, and that's what I said, I think two weeks
ago on this show when we were talking about Judge
and Callen, and Judge is the MVP right now with
a bullet because he's putting up the offensive equivalent of
nineteen ninety nine Pedro Martinez, where he's just basically a
unicorn of offense in a non offensive era of baseball.
But I would love to see Aaron Judge get behind
the plate and catch nine innings and see how he

(33:22):
gets through a game that way, because not only is
cal Rawley one of the best offensive players in the
game right now, he's doing it at the most difficult
defensive position and probably the most important defensive position. I mean,
we've heard pitcher after pitcher after pitcher talk about how
cal Rawly has made them better through his game calling
and through his consistency and through his pitch framing. This

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is a guy that other if you're gonna pick knits
in his game, it'd be great if he's struck out
a little bit less. I don't know what else to
tell you, because he's doing literally everything else as well
as anybody does in the game, including that fifteen home runs.
Right now, I'm not going to dabble too much in
the advanced stuff right now. If we're just looking at
wins above replacement, which is just a value measuring metric,
cal Raley. The difference between cal Raley, who's the highest

(34:07):
war the highest win above replacement catcher in baseball, and
number two, which is Will Smith, is the same as
the difference between Will Smith and the number nine catcher
in Major League Baseball. He is lapping the field in
Major League Baseball and catcher. And I think the story
right now of the twenty twenty five Seattle Mariners is
they are leveraging career years from guys like cal Raley,

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Brian Wu and Andres Munoz. And those are the three
guys that have really carried them. And there's one in
each aspect of the team. There's a starter, there's a
position player, and there's a reliever that are really carrying
this team. And Cal because he does it every frickin day,
is probably number one with a bullet. I think he's
the number two guy in the al MVP race right now.

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And it's only number two because Aaron Judge is just
doing things that nobody has done in decades.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, and then with Julio, I mean, nothing to write
home about seven thirteen, but A that's higher than it
almost ever is on May to nineteenth, right, and B
he's gotten a hit in what ten of his last
eleven games. He's at least consistently getting on base. And
you just got to figure when it warms up, Julio's
gonna warm up. And if you're already six seven, eight

(35:19):
games ahead in first place before Julio warms up, then
that's some optimism to look forward to in June and July.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
I mean, track record with Julio says at some point
during the summer he's going to spend three to four
weeks as the best baseball player on the planet. Also,
what the track record said is that Julio Rodriguez doesn't
hit in April and May, and I think that's changed
a lot. That's just not the era of baseball that
we're in right now. And if you look at Julio,
we're looking at a guy who is running again, just
like the whole offense. Dick by far the highest walk

(35:50):
rate of his career thus far, by far, the lowest
K percentage. The only thing that we're missing with Julio
is some bad luck on balls and play, which we've
already seen start correct itself in the last week or two,
and then a little bit of pop. I would love
to see Julio get that slugging back up into the
mid fors mid upper forest. Right now, he's at three
ninety nine, but when the weather heats up, what his

(36:11):
track record says is that he does. And I think
that there's a decent chance we can put a pin
in this. I think there's a a very good chance
that Julio Rodriguez, in the middle of what's going to
be the best season of his career when we look
back on it to this point.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Love it before we let you go. The future of
this team. Offensively, we saw Cole Young three for three day. Heck,
he almost had the cycle by like the fourth inning
on Friday night for Tacoma.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
How close is he?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
And then you know Harry Ford, not a power guy,
but got a home run this weekend. I mean, how
close are we to seeing one or two of those
guys at the helping out the big league club?

Speaker 9 (36:49):
I think that Young is the first guy, and I
think that we're probably, you know, three or four weeks
away from that being a very serious discussion. The thing
with Young is that they're a spot on the roster
for him. He plays second base. He's a middle infielder's
second base. I full respect to Leo Reebas, who's been
playing out of his mind for the Mariners and made
a spectacular defensive play over the weekend and has gotten

(37:13):
on base and done everything you could ask for him.
He just does not have the ceiling of a guy
that you feel comfortable running out at second base all day,
every day. I continue to think that Dylan Moore's best
role on this team is utility, getting guys breaks, the
old Mark macklamore role from the two that if we're
talking about the two thousand and one Mariners, I think
that's Demo's best role. So I think there's an obvious
place for Young to come in there and make an impact.

(37:36):
Do I think he's going to be a superstar right
out of the gate, Absolutely not. But I do think
that he can be around a league average regular, which
for a twenty one year old rookie is a huge
thing to get with Ford. He's made some real progress
this year with the bat. The big thing that's held
him back, to your point, has been the lack of power.
The hard thing with Ford is they haven't really been

(37:56):
using him anywhere but Catcher and I just don't see
where the eight appearances come for him on this roster
right now, because I don't think this team is particularly
dissatisfied with what they've gotten for Mitch Carver. And even
if they were, I just don't see them eating his salary.
That's just not something this organization does very often. So
and unless and until Ford starts working out at other

(38:17):
positions and this scoundry reports say this is a tremendous
athlete that could play at other positions, I'm just not
sure where he fits on this roster right now.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Great stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I know you always wrap up by giving us what
we need to do for a successful week. Three in Chicago,
four in Houston before you talk to Ian next Monday.

Speaker 9 (38:34):
We think I'm going to get greedy on this one.
We said three and three last week, and they went
four and two. I would love to see a five
and two week because the Chicago White Sox are not
a real baseball team and I know that they have
the Vatican behind them now, and that's a really tough
thing to go against the institution of the Catholic Church.
But I believe that the Chicago White Sox are so

(38:54):
bad that even the support of His Holiness is going
to be insufficient. And I would love to see the
Mariners sweep the White Sox and then Houston. I mean
a split. I just give me a split. I think
that they're a better team than Houston. I think they
could win three out of four out of there, But
until that team is dead, I'm just not gonna believe it.
So I want to split. And I'd love to be

(39:15):
talking to whoever is in the booth next Monday around
this time after a five and two week That would
really really set them up well for their starting rotation
to be coming back healthy.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Love it. Where can we read your stuff, Nathan.

Speaker 9 (39:28):
Yeah, you can check me out. I have a twice
weekly newsletter. It's the Lightbat dot substack dot com. We
also do a podcast twice a month. It is one
hundred percent free. If you feel like contributing and helping
out with that, just to make it more possible. I
really appreciate it, but no obligation and thank you so
much for checking it out. It's been a really, really
fun project so far.

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Speaker 5 (40:07):
Thank you, Nathan, appreciate it, man.

Speaker 9 (40:09):
Yeah, thanks so much.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
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Speaker 3 (40:12):
From Nathan Bishop to Walter Jones in the next segment
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(40:45):
The greatest for my money Seattle Seahawk of all time,
Walter Jones joining us here on ninety three point three KJR.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Big Wald. How are you, man?

Speaker 8 (40:56):
Oh? I'm doing just fine.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Man.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I'm doing well? Longtime?

Speaker 5 (40:59):
No, Oh, Chad.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Great to have you on and we'll you know, I
want to talk some Seahawks and NFL with you for
a good fifteen minutes or so. But let's start with
what you're doing tomorrow. These Strong Youth Strong Community Summit
returning to loom And Field, and you are going to
be a speaker of honor alongside alongside your old teammate
Marcus Truffont. So talk to me about what's going on

(41:22):
there tomorrow.

Speaker 11 (41:23):
It's called, like you said, it's called the Strown Youth
Grown Community Summit. So basically we're just bringing the kids
in and have a conversation with these kids about mental
health and kind of you know, helping these kids throughout
through their younger years to prepare them and stuff like that.
So anytime that I could be a part of that,
I want to be a part of it because you
get a chance to reach the young kids and help
them out through mental helpings and a lot of time,

(41:46):
that's a hard conversation to have. So anytime you're gonna
get together with the kids and kind of break it
down and kind of let these kids talk and let
us know how they feeling and how they're dealing with
peer and all that stuff and stuff that goes along
in high school and school in the community too. So
I'm proud of just to be a part of this.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
See awks some part of it.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
You'll have kids from Renting High School, Foster High School,
chief self, my alma mater, myri in her high school
is going to be there, so that's going to be great.
And so you mentioned kind of a back and forth,
so this isn't just the kids sitting there and listening
to you tell your stories or Marcus tell your stories.
You'll actually have back and forth with the youth exactly.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
You know what saying.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
I think for us as an adults, sometimes it takes
all wed to do is sit back at list A
lot of times we want them to talk, but for
me and Marcus to come out there and kind of
tell all story of the things that we had to deal with,
to let the kids know that we've been in those
same situation too. And now for the fact that you're
going to get two professional guys, especially with Marcus being
a local kid here, a local superstar, you know, with

(42:45):
the high school here, went to college here.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
And still was able to play pro hell.

Speaker 11 (42:50):
So I think it's going to be a great conversation
with these younger kids to see what they're dealing with
and hopefully that we can help those kids in that process.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
You know, when you get to superstardom like like you
have have and stardom like like Marcus has.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I think a lot of people think.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Oh, well, you know, there wasn't any you know, tribulations
for Walter Jones.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Everything came easy when he was growing up.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
He was the best player in his high school team.
He was the best player at Florida State. But you'll
share some personal stories of overcoming some obstacles. Do you
have an antidote anecdote that you might be able to
share with us, that you might share with the kids tomorrow.

Speaker 11 (43:23):
You know what, I think, I think we all have
to deal with no matter what level that you deal with.
And for me personally, I think it was more of
just understanding that part of you know, taking on the
accolades and then being able to handle the accolades too,
because still and again, you know, you have you have
to have a great foundation. You got to have a
great support group behind you that's going to help you
through those tough times because now you have to focus

(43:44):
so much on football.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
So now do you have.

Speaker 11 (43:46):
Those people and places that's going to help you out
through all the other personal stuff that you have to
deal with. So for us, you know a lot of
people see that as you know, you've been great and everything,
but still again you have.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
To have structure. You have to have understanding.

Speaker 11 (43:58):
And for me, I feel like if I would had
someone at that age talking to me trying to prepare me,
I think I've been better off.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
So for me personally, I'm so glad.

Speaker 11 (44:06):
I'm so glad that Marcus is able to come out
and give his personal stories too. There are things that
we had to deal with to get to where we're
at now.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
The Great Walter joins Jones joining us A Strong Youth,
Strong Community is going on tomorrow from ten to one
at Luminfield with some with some high school students. Just
a great job that he's doing there as well. As
as his former teammate Marcus truefive. Well, well, let's let's
talk about this football team. I mean, we've got we've
got a new look football team, and let's start with
the offensive line. The the Seahawks used their highest pick

(44:36):
for a guard since your right hand man, Steve Hutchinson.
Hutchinson was taken, So talk about the Seahawks deciding to
really invest in a high pick at left guard in
Gray's abel.

Speaker 11 (44:49):
I think it was a question that's been been talked
about for the last couple of years about you know,
how it's going to build this team, and we're gonna
build the offensive line. I think in though, every draft,
you count of where the team is thinking.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
I think when you.

Speaker 11 (45:03):
Draft for an offensive linement that high, you're trying to
build something that could sustained.

Speaker 8 (45:07):
For a long time.

Speaker 11 (45:07):
And then I always feel like if you put a
line together and you keep those guys together, you're gonna
see the success of this offensive line.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
So you bringing in a guy.

Speaker 11 (45:16):
Like that, approving guy that could come in and definitely,
like you know what, they call him, a plug and
play guy. I feel like a guy that as soon
as you get in, it's going to be his job
to lose, and I think that's what you want from
an offensive line. I think that's where you have to
start at if you're starting out new coach McDonald is
showing his hand on what he want to do and
how you want this team to be. And the best

(45:36):
play to start out is that offensive line, and you
start from there and you reach out from there, You
start out from there, you put your line together, and
then you go from there.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
It looked like they may take a dip into free
agency to help that offensive line. There was reports out
there that they liked Will Fries, but they wanted him
to take a take a physical and they lost him
in free agency, weren't able to bring him in here.
So really, other than Zabel, I mean, you're looking at
a lot of names that you got to watch last year.
You know, Big Olu, Christian Haynes, Satoa Lemeya, Jalen Sundell,

(46:11):
Anthony Bradford is pretty much the same dudes back at
center and right guards. So how how nervous should Seahawk
fans be or on the flip side, how confident should
Seahawk fans be with the right side of that offensive
line and the center position I.

Speaker 11 (46:28):
Think it's just I think the more rough you get,
I think these guys are going to be better than
they was last year. I think a lot of that,
and you know, we see the game from audition aspect
and what the coaches there and seeing that these guys
are getting better. So I think for me personally, if
you get all these guys in there doing a training
camp and OTAs and stuff and they get an understanding
of what this offen is going to be a lot,
you've got to feel pretty comfortable. These guys got another

(46:49):
year up under the built of this offense and how
this offic is supposed to be running. So I'm excited
to see what happened. I think that for me personally,
it's not a rebuild season for me, but I think
it's the season will we're seeing what coach McDonald is
all about and what he wants this team to be about,
and I think it's amazing. I think we didn't been
through the good time as the bad time, So no
matter what this season has become, I think it's still

(47:10):
going to be a growth intil something that a standard
at the Seahawks have set for the last what ten
or fifteen years, So we understand. I think the fans
understand the standard that had been set here in Seattle,
and I think coach McDonald is definitely setting the foundation
to still a continually to keep that standard.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Talk to me about Abe Lucas. I mean, here's a
guy that you know was fairly highly drafted. I think
everybody likes him, and yet you know he's only played
twenty nine career games. I mean, he just hasn't put
together a seventeen game season. When you see Abe.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Lucas at his healthiest, what type of tackle do you see?

Speaker 11 (47:46):
Oh, he can be one of those great tackles man
that can get the job done. You know a lot
of time, you know, when I was coming up, it
was all about the left tackle, But I think now
you have to have a right tackle that can get
in there and pass that and be able to do
the same thing block and run block. I think with him,
I think it's all about just being healthy. You know,
you're coming off an injury last year. You got in late,
so you hopefully that you know, sometimes using when you
have these bad injuries, especially with the knees and stuff,

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they usually take your a whole nother year before you
feel comfortable enough to go out there and play your
game freely. So I'm hoping that this year when he
comes in, he's got a free bill of health and
he's feling good about hisself and now he can kind
of feel like, Okay, I can kind of be like
the leader of this offensive line too, you know, with
Charles Cross and all those guys get these games up
under their belt. So the more you get, the more
reps you get, I think, the better this team's gonna

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be off. So I'm, like I said, I'm looking forward
to these guys to kind of put this together and
kind of put something nice on the field this year.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Well, you mentioned Charles Cross there, and it seems like
he's been here for a long time, and yet you
know he's going to play almost the entire season at
the age of twenty four this year. I mean, he's
still a pup, so he's still getting better. How much
you know, how much communication do you have with Charles Cross?
Have you ever, you know, talked to him and maybe
give him a little little tricks to the trade at
that left tackle spot, because there couldn't be anybody that

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could get better advice than Walter Jones, that's for sure.

Speaker 11 (49:00):
You know what, I just you know, just watch you,
and I think for me personally, you look at a
guy like that, you're third and fourth years kind of
like when things clok or now you're thinking about now
you start getting all these accolades. I think for him,
I think this could be his Pro Bowl year. You know,
you're coming in with a new with everything, new new offense.

Speaker 8 (49:16):
Is this all that?

Speaker 11 (49:16):
And so I'm thinking for him personally as an offensive line,
and you're thinking that this is the year that Okay,
this is the year Charge going to get his recognition
because it's, like you said, been the most the most
consistent player on that offensive line. So you just feel
like this kid is going to get better and better.
For me personally, I don't have to say anything to him.
Them guys understand what it takes. But I'm always there
to give information. But still again, I think this is

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going to be the year for Charge across the counter.
Get his name out there across the board so people
can understand who this kid is.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
The great Walter Jones joining us Walt, pure and simple.
Is this team better at quarterback right now than they
were last year?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
How do you think? What do you think about the switch.

Speaker 11 (49:52):
All I can go about by the time, man, I
think what he was able to don't was able to
do last year in Minnesota, and you're praying and hopefully
that he can bring that same exciting here to Seattle.
You know, I can't take anything from Geno. I thought
what Gino did while he was here was some amazing stuff.
You know, you kind of saw him playing behind Russell
and then the things that he was able to do.

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But still again, you know, you go with a more
younger quarterback, a more established quarterback, a guy that you
know kind of been moved around, but now he's founding
it and founders Mark.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
So I'm hoping that that once.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
He get here to Seattle, that now back at continued
success and now can this guy get it done at
a very high level because you have to understand that
the fans want to be tough. But still again you
have to believe that this is the right guy to
get the job done.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
And a new look receiver corps. I mean, we go
from DK JSN and Tyler Lockett. Now we've got Cooper
Cup and we got three different letters. We got MVS
and we've got JSN. There's a whole lot of letters
being thrown out there in the in the wide receiver cors.
What do you think of the changes to shake up
that John Schneider made in the wide receiver position.

Speaker 8 (50:58):
I think it's amazing. I think it's great for JSN.
You got to think about JSN.

Speaker 11 (51:02):
Now you know this's gotta be this is got to
be great for him because now you know you're still continuing.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
To getting better every year.

Speaker 11 (51:09):
You know, you tell a lot of balls last year,
kind of understand the interscuence of being a receiver. And
what do you do now you lose two great rob
receivers and now you get another all pro ride receiver,
one that's probably the one guy that you really want
to be around, that shows you how to work, how
to get read, how to and stuff like that. So
I think that's all that's gonna do for JSN, to
just make him a better and even more elite wide

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receiver because Coop come in and you know the stuff
that he can do, the things that he can do,
and now you can learn from that guy. So for me, first,
I can't wait to see what this line is, what
this receiver coup going to be, and how they play
off each other, because you just saw the work that
Coop have done and the things that he can do
the cause of Miss Max's problems and get you open
to So I'm looking forward to saying what these two

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duo are gonna do for the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, I'm excited about the offense. I don't necessarily think
it's going to be an explosive offense. It's going to
be putting up thirty plus points very often, But I
think it's going to be an offense. It's going to
be able to move the change. It's going to allow
the defense to win football games. And that's why I
was really I was really surprised at the lack of
respect that Vegas has given the Seahawks. I mean, they
have put there over under at seven and a half wins.

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They are favored in six out of seventeen games.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Walter, I what you know? Put put me in the
put me in the right here. Why why is Vegas
so down on the Seahawks?

Speaker 8 (52:27):
Do you think you know what?

Speaker 11 (52:29):
The Vegas stuff is weird to me, but I get it,
you know, I think it's if they're unknown.

Speaker 8 (52:35):
I think a lot of the time you go with
the unknown.

Speaker 11 (52:37):
You know that even though the thing that this new
quarterback was able to do in Minnesota for one year
and now he used to starting quarterback in Seattle. We
lost two top tier receivers. So I think he's just unknown.
But like I say, if if things go the way
they're supposed to go or the way we think they
should go, I think that this team's you know, look
at especially looking at the schedule, you know that there's
no team that's really on that schedule where you say, okay,

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can we can we go and play with this team?
Can we make it a contest to keep the game close?
But you know, that's all what it's all about. Stay
in these games, being these games at the end and
find ways to win those games. And that's kind of
how the games, how the games went lastly, you know,
So you stay tight in these games and then let's
see can we make a run and get the game
won in the third or fourth quarter. So for me personally,
I think it's all about a wait and see a game.

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And I think that's the hard part. You got a
guy that you haven't seen. You know, you saw him
last year what he was able to do with Minnesota,
but that was just Minnesota where that still transfer to
here in Seattle, and I think that's the that's the way,
and that's the unknown, especially for the Vegas Betters.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Final couple of minutes with with Walter Jones, let's move
away from the Seahawks and on onto our rivals. You know,
you know those guys down south in Santa Clara, California.
Would you have given brock perty two hundred and sixty
five million dollars over five years? Have you seen enough
from that quarterback that you would give him that type
of contract?

Speaker 11 (53:53):
You know what, I think it's more of just the market.
I think a lot of time we don't understand a
lot of people don't understand that part of and a
lot of you know, for me personally, but weird things
always say the next man up. I think whatever money
they give you, that's the money you deserve. So if
the forty nine thinks that this guy deserved this morning,
I think a lot of that compared to you know,
it's all about what you do in your younger years.

Speaker 8 (54:13):
To those So these guys take these pay because and
they play for a low budget.

Speaker 11 (54:16):
Know, this guy was the last pick, so this guy
definitely had to prove himself get out there. But then
you know what I'm saying, that unit that he had
in front of him was a pretty amazing So I
think now that stuff is you know, a lot of
these quarterback the younger quarterbacks, get paid off what they've
done in the past. So I think this was all
about what he'd done in the past, helped out a
lot of people, kept this team relevant through that. That's
pretty crazy. I said that now that you know he

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was the last guy pick. But till again, this guy,
you know, definitely was did some big thing. You know,
you think about the year that they could have wanted
with hurry his arms. So this guy has been in
the hunting since. He's been a starter for the forty
forty nine ers and keep them in the hunt to
be a team that people are nurse that play. So
you know, they done lost some pieces to at Robert Siever.
But I still think that guy, you know, this is

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what the forty out I think that you deserve.

Speaker 8 (55:01):
This is what you deserve.

Speaker 11 (55:02):
And I think now it's all about what he's going
to do now that he didn't got his money.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Who is a team to beat in this division?

Speaker 8 (55:08):
You think, oh man, you still got to put it
on the Rams.

Speaker 11 (55:12):
I think Ram they got to you know, you always
look at the quarterbacks in every position, you're looking at
the Ram. They was able to keep their quarterback approving
that guy that you know, the toughiest he had in Detroit,
and now he didn't kind of found his snitch there
in the Rams. So for him, I think they're the
team still the team to beat, the team that's gonna
set the standing here for this league. You know, you
still got to worry about Arizona for some reason for us,

(55:35):
we don't play Arizona good in Arizona or Arizona here.
So still again you be thinking about the Rams. But
still again, I think we still got to figure out
ways to go out there and beat Arizona, Card and
those teams that we should beat on the regular. But
still again I think it's the Ram at the team
that we have to.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
Beat in this in this conference.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Walt, it's always a pleasure to talk to you and
enjoy your summit tomorrow the strong Youth, Strong Communities. Give
my guys from out very near go rams for me
and uh and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks man,
all right, so thanks aside, but appreciate it. Walter Jones,
the best that ever done, the best to ever do
it at the left tackle position, not only the Seahawks,
but but anywhere.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And I tell you what, Jesse talking to Walt, they're
in the way. We've we've talked.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Many times on the air, you know, and off the
air over the last twenty years since he'd been here.
But I go back to an interview that we did
on the morning show when he was drafted by the Seahawks,
so fresh out of Florida State.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Oh wow, he got him, like we're.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Gonna get the first round draft pick on the on
the show, and it was about an eight minute interview.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
He might have said thirty words, I mean in eight minutes,
and like he is just awesome.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Well, I mean even when he was still playing.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
I moved out here during the latter part of his
career and he was not verbosa at all.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I didn't sy, I didn't want to talk a lot.
And now he's he's doing a TV postgame show and
he's going on radio shows. He's just fantastic.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
I think he's like a focus on the one thing
I need to be successful at a time.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Right football is all I want to do right now.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
So I'm not going to focus on media now that
he has the time to not focus on it. But
that kind of compartmentalization is what made him such a
great player.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Nah, he is the best, no question about it.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Two twenty on ninety three point three KJRFM, we come
back your text.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
What do you think about what you heard from John Schneider?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
We played at the beginning of the show, basically John
Schneider coming out and say saying that, hey, here's the quote.
DK and I have had very open conversations in the
last couple of years about his future and what he wanted,
and it was a parent he wanted to move on,
and then he came out and said he really really
wanted a fresh start. And it's not like we went

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into the offseason thinking it was a possibility, but he
was just pretty dug in on it. This was a
DK metcalf decision to get the bleep out of Seattle
and force John Schneider's hand.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
How does that.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Affect your your memory of DK his legacy here in Seattle,
particularly vis a v He's leaving at the exact same
time that I would say the second most popular wide
receiver in the history of the franchise next to Steve
largent Ritt you leave Seattle. Very very interesting comparison between
Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. We'll take the text coming

(58:28):
up next to Mariner text as well. Look at this
baseball team one four in a row. We were all
panicked five days ago. We were panicked. We were like,
oh my god, we're gonna get swept by the Yankees.
And then we're gonna go to San Diego. We're gonna
get swept by San Diego. And no, no, no, they've
won four in a row. We'll talk about a next
on ninety three point three KJFM.

Speaker 10 (58:48):
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Speaker 5 (59:06):
To thirty one.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Tick fan in for Ian Forness. Ian back tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
He uh, we have He's back on Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Okay, what do you got tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (59:14):
One more day off?

Speaker 6 (59:15):
We have Greg Bell filling in tomorrow for Ian, who
is also filling in today for you.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
And sometimes that's right. You've got a stealthy dose of
Greg Bell throughout.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
This beautiful and I love it absolutely. I've got a
little storm game to do in a couple of hours.
You can watch that on c dub. So that's why
I'm doing this show and not the afternoon show. But
thanks to Greg for coming in. I and Jackson will
take you from from three to seven today. But this
is the time you guys, you know a little texts,
you do some talkbacks occasionally and listen to what the

(59:45):
folks are saying out there.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Do we have some DK Metcalf opinions, we have some
Mariner opinions?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
What do We've got a plethora of opinions out all right?
So yes, let's start with.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
DK because I think that was a riveting and we
didn't get a lot of time to dig into it
beyond what we talked about at the beginning of the show.
So the two h six says DK was average. It's
that the expectations for him were as big as his size.
The average NFL receiver is much smaller. I'm not going
to get into the oldest stats. Many of us were
fascinated with what it could be. But if DK were

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six feet not one hundred and ninety pounds, he would
have been another David Moore, Obamanu, Jermaine curs et cetera,
a great second wide receiver, but not a true number one.
DK looked like a number one, but mentally he looked
like a mid player. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Okay, well that's even more harsh than I am. Yeah
on DK Metcafe.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I recognize that DK is somewhere in that five to
ten range, probably probably closer to ten than five as
far as best wide receivers in football. But I mean,
I think the quickest way to getting in trouble financially
in the NFL is by paying good players great money.

(01:00:58):
Now it's accentuated at the quarterback position. That's that's why
I'm so thrilled that brock perty is making two hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
And sixty five million dollars. That was my favorite contract
of the whole offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
But because that really gets you in trouble, ask, I mean,
look at look at the top heavy teams. Dallas Cowboys,
how are they doing? Cincinnati Bengals, how are they doing right?
Miami Dolphins?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
How are they doing?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
You know, because they are paying two three people thirty
to thirty five percent of their cap exactly, So you
got seventy percent left for fifty guys. You know, that
just doesn't financially work, So it doesn't kill you as
much at the receiver position, but it's still I mean,
the receiver position has become now that basically the second
highest paid position. It's vaulted ahead of left tackle, it's

(01:01:43):
vaulted ahead of edge rusher, and it's just it's gone
crazy the last five y.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Yeah, running back really fell off too.

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
I mean, obviously you can see with the longevity of
the careers now it makes sense that you know you
can make do. But yeah, it's interesting the fluctuation of both.
And it happens on defense as well. You know, edge
rushers and linebackers don't get paid nearly as much as safeties.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
They get more now than they used to. Safetiesn't get
paid much five to ten years ago. Now they're they're
getting uphing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Yeah, it's very interesting. Okay, back to the two of six.
No hard feelings at all towards DK. He was a
great player, but we never used him correctly. I'm happy
we got something for him. I'm happy he got his
wish and moved on, and I'm happy he didn't go
to a contender.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Pittsburgh is not good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Well, they're not good right now. They'll be better with
Aaron Rodgers, if that's indeed what happens. But I think
we're gonna find out a lot about We're gonna get
the answer to that question.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I think when it comes to DK, was was he
misused in Seattle?

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Because if DK does exactly the same for the next
five years that he did for the last five years,
then it's on DK right, not on the Seahawks. But
if DK all of a sudden becomes one hundred catch,
fifteen hundred yard, twelve touchdown wide receiver, then we got
to look at Pete Carroll and at Mike McDonald and

(01:03:05):
at Shane Waldron and all the plethora of offensive coordinators
the DK Metcap played with and said, Hey, why weren't
you able to do this with this guy?

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Yeah, and you know, I guess we'll have to see
if the proof is in the pudding when it comes
to where the blame should lie. But Pittsburgh also is
not that good, that's right, So you know, I don't
disagree with that Texter on that. It'll be interesting to
see what they can do moving forward with him there
with a middling team and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
A defensive head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Again, like he still is not going to an offensive
head coach, and receivers on defensive head coach teams, those
numbers are usually you know, you can squish him about
twenty twenty five percent versus teams you know that have
coaches like Kevin O'Connell, you know, like Sean McVay, you know,
those guys that know how to use those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
From the two five to three. I still love DK
and have him and Russell Wilson on my wall. However,
his attitude was terrible and I'm glad we got players
with better temperament.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
The fifteen yard penalties were irritating to me. Now they
did lesson in twenty twenty four, but they were bad
for three or four years. The one play that I
just can't get out of my mind, though, was the
playoff game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Who was it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
We played John Wolford and the Rams, oh that in
the first round of the playoffs, and like, literally all
we would have had to do is score like seventeen points.
And DK's over there pouting on the sideline. So he's
not because he's not getting the ball, and so what
does what do the Seahawks do. They put Russell Wilson
in the shotgun and they say, just throw the ball

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over there to DK to make him happy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And they threw that lateral all the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Way to the sidelines and it got picked off and
ran back for a touchdown and that was the beginning
of the end of the Seattle Seahawks playoffs that season.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
And I never forgive DK for that. I was like,
you got to be kidding me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
The only reason we ran that play is because you
were throwing a four year old temper tantrum on the sidelines.
And then the first play back onto the field, we
run a play we haven't seen all year run because
you were pissy, and that was the biggest play of
the game and just set them back for the entire
rest of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Okay, we have some people who are a fan of
us being together because we don't get to work together.
It don't Keith Miller, who's you know, our number one
texterter on this show, said VAK and Captain PTO on
one show together. What are the odds, Captain PTO, I
think that's yeah. I know my nickname is VAK, so
I guess he called you Captain PTO.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
All right, well I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm vak too.
Everybody criticizes me for vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
I take my time too.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
I mean, you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
You got to use it, right, Isn't it kind of
dumb not to use your vacation?

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Yes, yeah, because I'm not going to complain about you know,
I will. I made no bones about it that I'm
gonna use mine. But it's nice to work. We've got
to shift this week, so yeah, it's you're not off today.
You are just you have to work extra today, which
is why you're shifting. H Let's see, we have a
couple requests actually for a little w n B A

(01:06:09):
A talk. So two of six said, with all the
guests today, you didn't get to comment on this. On
the story of the sports you called the foul of
Angel Rees by ate by Caitlin.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Clark the angela.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
I think they're trying to say Angel Angel is a
pretty graceful athlete.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
She looked like she embellished the foul pretty good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I think she melos the foul.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
I think Caitlin may have given just a little extra
with the off arm as she was going down, but
not enough to send Angel Reese was a bigger body
to the floor that was clearly embellished.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
It should have just been a regular, a regular foul.

Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
There's part of it that's great, and this part of
it that's horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
The whole racism element and the racist things that reportedly
were said from the crowd to Angel Reese abhorrent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yes, that is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
That is an unfortunate outcome of the situation. But the
fortunate outcome of the situation.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
I love to watch the national shows and flipping around
the National shows today, first take talking WNBA. Colin Coward
spent of his first two hours show. I bet he
spent thirty minutes on the WNBA.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
Which is, having worked with him in the past, is
something that you would never ever ever see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yes, and he said, he said flat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
I said, hey, listen, He goes, July and August are
pretty dead times in the in the sports world. He goes,
I'm following the WNBA and I will be talking about
the WNBA in July and August because I think it's interesting.
And that's coming from a guy that you know, and
you know, couldn't give a crap about the WNBA five
years ago that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
He cares about good stories, exactly good sports. All right,
we got to wrap it up with one more and
this is my apologies to Marcus. So I believe is
the same Marcus who won the Hugh Millan and Softy
Mock Draft.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
Ok?

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I believe so.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
And i'm because we have a couple of Marcus to
text in and I have a center right reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
If you haven't seen that on social media, his reaction
to Hugh selecting him for the for the prize, it was,
it was classic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
He was jacked.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
That was really good.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
I did happen to see that he's exiting ruge vac.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
I text a lot. That is true.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
But Keith Miller usually gets the final word in this segment,
but Marcus today it goes to you, Marcus in the
two zero six.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
All right, Well, good stuff Marcus and a good prize
won by him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
And when we come back, Greg mel is going to
join us from three to seven to day, we'll do
a little cross talk with Greg. We'll find out what
he thinks about the the John Schneider interview with Rich
Eisen and kind of shedding light on the DK Metcalf situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
And speaking of those who have served our country, Greig
Bell is here to do three to seven. We actually
we actually have a professional doing three to seven.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
For the first time in a long time, we got
a pro radio broadcast. They're doing three to seven.

Speaker 12 (01:09:53):
How are you Greg Bell, West Point, New York for
what you Arizona, Fort Lewis, Washington.

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
There you go, there you go?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Ag Oh man, I you know I just heard of
the uh the is it called the Wings of Honor?
Is it something where they fly military they fly vets
out to Washington, d C. And take them to all
the monuments and everything like that. Okay, my my mom
she ran it to somebody at the grocery store and
she saw my dad and my dad has Korean War

(01:10:21):
hat he's on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
He's in his wheelchair and stuff like that, and they
were like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
He's a shoeing. You got to sign up, you gotta
sign up. So I'm gonna look into that because I
think it would be really really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Is he's been to d C.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
But I don't think he's done the I mean he's
never done like the full Monty, you know, the full
meal deal, get the get the treatment, like you know,
a Korean War vegha yet, right, So yeah, very very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
That would be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
So we heard from from John Schneider on Friday. It
was kind of you know, the old Friday Interview is
like the Friday News dump, right, And I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I mean I just I just have never heard.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
I guess I felt like it was a little more
mutual than John made it sound like. Right, I thought
it was like, Okay, the Seahawks really didn't want to
pay him. DK was probably, you know, probably really didn't
want to stay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
But the way John.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Mentioned it, he said, quote he was really we anticipated
him coming back, but he was really dug in on this. Now,
do you do you believe that from John Schneider or
do you think that's just you know him him, you know,
massaging the truth a little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Well, when rich Eisen says, was it about money and
his John Schnyder's first answer is, no, that's a lie.
It's always about money. His contract was ending at the
end of this year, so of course it was about money.
It was about how much money would he want versus
how much the Seahawks want to get, and he didn't
want The Seahawks didn't want pay one hundred and fifty million.
Obviously they would pay one hundred but they went Pittsburgh

(01:11:49):
went to one hundred and fifty for him. So of
course it was about money. And when the Seahawks told
DK metcaffey they wouldn't go that high, then they pursued
a trade and they found on the Steelers willing to
do a second round pick, and that's what made the
trade happen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
They weren't sure they were going to get a secon round.

Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
But you look at the Stefan Diggs trade, You'll get
trades of top wide receiver, all pro wide receivers in
this league. We're talking third, fourth, conditional fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Particularly the guy that just had one year left on
his deal.

Speaker 12 (01:12:17):
Correct, So the Seahawks didn't have a lot of leverage
to command what they ended up getting from Pittsburgh's the
second round pick. And to me, that's why he got traded,
not so much that he didn't want to be here.
And once the Steelers said we'll pay you what you
want and give the Seahawks a second round pick, then
John Schnaer said, fine, right, we'll take a second round.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
The problem what would.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
John have done if if DK truly was dug in
but he didn't get what he wanted from pittsburghor anybody else.
We have just had a disgruntled wide receiver in the
last year of his contract.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
What what's that end game?

Speaker 12 (01:12:50):
Yeah, John Schneiders so in love with comp pickstick. I
think it would have been just run it till the
tracks end. Let him go, Yeah, I really do. And
then let him go in the free agency on an
open market a third round pick and see what he
would have gotten. And he got a third round pick
and stay and you get that would be a good
trade off for Seattle to get instead of a second
round pick this year, another season of DK Metcalf with
a new offensive coordinator and a new quarterback, a new system,

(01:13:13):
and then get a third round pick instead of a
second round pick. To me, that would have been worth
it to run it out. And I think that's where
they were headed until Pittsburgh gave him a second round pick.
I mean, you just go look at the again, look
at the list of wide receivers have been traded in
the last few years and what they teams got in return.
And as you mentioned, wide receivers who had more years
left on his deal than Metcalf did, Right, didn't the Seahawks? Yeah, okay,

(01:13:36):
second round pick do it? And I think that's ultimately
what happened. But yeah, whenever they say it's not about
the money, that's what it's about.

Speaker 9 (01:13:43):
The money.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Well, and also that, I mean, there hasn't been a
position where salaries of skyrocket as much percentage wise as
wide receivers. I mean, they've taken over as the second,
you know, most valuable position on the field. I mean
they were what five ten years ago, they were probably
like fifth, I mean they were behind quarterback there, behind
ed which they were behind left tackle, maybe fourth, you know,
but but even then and now they're a solid second

(01:14:06):
ahead of all those with guys getting forty million dollars.

Speaker 12 (01:14:08):
Yeah, and Metcalf knew that, and he knew the market
would be such that if he goes to an open
market he would get more than the Seahawks were offering.
And then when he got the Steelers to give it
to him early. Okay, Now, the one thing you could
look at and say objectively, is DK Metcalf in a
better situation, maybe a quarterback, No whether Aaron Rodgers comes

(01:14:29):
back or goes to sign with Pittsburgh or not. That's
a one year rental. You can hope for it most
if you're Pittsburgh, forty one years old will be forty
two in December. So DK Metcalf could go through two
or three quarterbacks in the length of his contract with.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
A defensive head coach because if they keep Tomlin more
than one more year, which that's they were.

Speaker 12 (01:14:48):
You know how many head coaches the Seahawks have had
in mind your lifetime? I mean Wheelers three three, Yeah, Cower,
Nolan Cower, Nolan Todwin since nineteen sixty.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
He ain't going anywhere, that's obvious. What are you on
the show today? Yeah, we got a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:15:01):
We're gonna go to Farhn Laws.

Speaker 12 (01:15:03):
You a great friend of mine, TSN Vancouver talk about
Stanley Cup playoffs. Grant Cone at three thirty s forty
nine ers on sid to talk about what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Two hundred and sixty five million dollars for Brock Purty
is a Seahawk fan.

Speaker 12 (01:15:15):
I'm celebrated, and another sixty dream million today for Fred
Warner is the sidelinebacker.

Speaker 9 (01:15:20):
Hugh Melon's going to join us at four o'clock. Nice.

Speaker 12 (01:15:22):
Maybe I'll get him fired up and talk about NFL
Draft lottery and NBA Draft lottery again.

Speaker 8 (01:15:26):
I heard I heard that gutting kicked off.

Speaker 12 (01:15:28):
Luke Arkins, Luke the Mariners can sickly our newsletter are
going to join us, talk about the first place Mariners.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
About that?

Speaker 12 (01:15:33):
How about that sweeping the veteran gup sweeping the dads
this weekend times.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I appreciate you. You have filling in big one tonight
for nex Man. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yes, Storman page backers at five o'clock today you can
watch that on the Seed dub Greg Bell Jackson Felts
coming up next on ninety three point three k JR
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