Furness Show 6-3: OTA Takeaways, Joe Sheehan, John Lund.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I put two and two together. I kept thinking, as
I'm driving and I'm forgetting something today, what's going on today?
And then I realized that the conversation we had had
god with the mollywops.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
And this is hard because I don't know if it's
on or off the year half the time I'm doing
with those guys, or if it's on a text thread
or what's public knowledge. I'm making that public. I'm telling
you what is public and what is in public, and
I don't know what's going on with Nathan and Chris
and you and me. But anyway, sometimes Benton's on a thread,
he is. He loves to poke his little head in there. Yeah, Dodgers, Dodgers, Dodgers, Dodgers, Dodgers,

(00:33):
you know, throwing.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
A little fd astros just because because we all hate them.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, that's about it. But somewhere along all the way,
I heard that Chris was doing the Mariner's postcast tonight
solo Soldola yep, little mile why action kind of mile
y on the postcast I walked on, so I was like, why, oh,
that's right, you're going to marri game with your family tonics.
I am right, yes, all right, Well happy birthday. I'll
bring lunch later in the week, okay, all Friday lunch,

(01:00):
will do something else, but yeah, I plan on that Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Well, I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
Ian.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm happy to be here on my birthday. I you
know a lot of people would take their birthdays off.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, a lot of it. There's people that like make
it a week. Yeah, true birthday week. I'm taking my
birthday week. I'm taking the whole I I.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Do.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I say this now, I'm not going to say it. Okay,
there are there are many though that do that. You
know who you are, you know who they are, who
you are. I'm taking the week off for my birthday.
See you're twenty eighth. Still enjoy it. Everything's good? Yeah,
I mind this Mine later this month is the big

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six to zero, and I just want it to not happen.
But then at the other side of it is I'm
glad it will happen.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, exactly right, So you.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Know, so I'm kind of I'm torny. The good news
is I'll be working, I believe, like you, but actually
working on a Saturday, because it's a Saturday. It's the
second day of the NHL draft. Oh okay, yeah, we'll
be I'm not sure what we're doing over there at
the k C and I, but yeah, something will be
happening that day. But yeah, happy happy birthday to you.
Appreciate enjoy the game tonight with your family. Hopefully George

(02:10):
Kirby gives you a birthday present and is better than
he has been the first two starts coming off the injury.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
And this is the one for me because a lot
of people are like, oh, is it time to worry
about George Kirby. I give specially that first one, and
I'll extend it to that second start, like, Okay, it
was your first couple back, Your stuff looks fine. You
just got to get your command backed. And if he
looked he struggles again tonight against a Baltimore team that
has not played well, then I'll start to have the
warning signs come up a little bit. But I think

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he bounces back tonight and looks like the George Kirby
that we know and love.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Baltimore, though, has one three in a row. They have there,
you know this is and they're starting to get right
and their best picture is on the mound tonight. Correct
tell me Yuki Suganos on the mound, So it's it's there.
This is a it's a good test. Also a great
opportunity for Seattle Mariners to finish off the homestad and correctly, Yes,

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after what happened against the Nationals, they bounced back at
the series wins. So sitting there at three and three
with three more to go before they head out and
take on a really bad Angels team over the weekend.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
You go five and four after feeling like the sky
was falling like three days ago. Yeah, that's great. Yeah,
he will take that.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, I mean just like just you know, my buddy
Steve Sammary, So just win a series, just when the
series just keep going, win a series and you move
on and away you go. But yeah, the Kirby thing
will be interesting. Time we'll talk about Joshian's going to
join us coming up at one twenty today. Well, we'll
talk to jo a little bit about that when we
when right before I think the day he made his
first start, if I'm not mistakens, when we had you
know Sarah Son, Yes, and it was like what do

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we look for? What we look for? And really everything
that he was looking for we've seen the first two starts. Yeah,
he's throwing breaking pitches with velocity. He's throwing with velocity period,
he's throwing strikes. He just isn't having good command correct
And as we all know, Chris Crawford is somewhere saying, man,
it's different than control, it's different than control. So but
it's it's and it's true. So we'll see what he

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does tonight. They need him obvious statement. But let's be honest,
they need him.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Especially with how Bryce Millers looked recently.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, see that's someone that concerns me more.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I just didn't like hearing the Well, he's got a
bone spur in his elbow, but it's nothing. We're worried about.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
What And it's going to give him pain for the
rest this year? What?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
What?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
And he's not pitching well like we saw him last year.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
What?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Thanks to my friends at Reflex Knees, I can tell
you a lot about bone spurs that I didn't know
about a month and a half ago. I'm thinking doctor
Ian here, known for my medical expertise, known for a
lot of things, preparation expertise in the medical field, so
much more. I'm thinking you could just go in there
and pluck that thing out and see you back in

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about four weeks, you know, Bryce. No, we're just we're
not going to worry about it, not at all until
he's doing something along the way throwing a pitch, try
to avoid the pain which causes an issue I don't know,
in his shoulder or some somewhere else. But yeah, Miller,
I would be I'm all joking aside, I would be
more concerned about him. We'll have the Kirby discussion tomorrow, yeah,

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after tonight, but I would. I I fully expect that dude.
He's just a horse man. He competes his ass off,
and I just expect him to come out and just
shove it on these guys.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
If you're gonna choose one thing to be a little
bit off on when you're coming back from injury, I
wouldn't want it to be stuff.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
I wouldn't want it to be velocity. I'd want it
to be command.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh yeah, because that's like, okay, like understandable. You haven't
faced live hitters in a long time. You're trying to
get your your release point down that you have gotten
for so long, So like that is understandable. Why that
is the thing with Bryce, It's been kind of his
fastball velocities down.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's see, and that's what that's why I go back
like like he's not right physically. No, he's not like
like George Kirby's okay physically. Yes, he's rusty.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, crazy way to put it.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
He's just rusty and he's gonna tweak it and we'll
see what happens tonight as well. So that's going on.
John Lund will join us for his weekly visit coming
up at two o'clock. I was joking with a new guy,
MJ here a minute ago about Benji. Yeah, yeah, that
we were gonna We're gonna we'll go through uh OTA stats,
see how the stats are looking for OTAs for the

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forty nine ers. I'll do the same for the Seahawks
quarterback controversy. No, mcconnald already said, no, I know.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
One quick observation though from that yesterday I didn't get
to but I got to I when we we went
right from Jake, Bobbo and Dick came in. We had
cross talk and we were done. This is why I
like being out there. That's why I like being able
to talk to players face to face, talk to guys
even off the air, there is a I don't know
what went on last year. Offensively, it was broken and

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you know, Ryan Grubb took the fall and his staffs
got ugh everybody but Grub took the fall. I don't
know what was going on with Gino I and I'm
just gonna guess.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Let me.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's an opinion based show. This isn't a fact. There
was something different with Gino last year. Maybe it's as
simple as Gino and Mike McDonald just aren't the same.
They're just not on the same page. They're not They
just didn't gel connect, have that same kind of connection.
And to be honest with you, it's probably really understandable

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why Well, because Pete Carroll saved Gino Smith's career. Pete Carroll,
he ended up making Gino Smith probably when it's all
said and done, seventy five million dollars eight million, one
hundred million dollars guaranteed totally for a guy that never
had made more than a million or whatever in his career.
In a single season, Geno Smith, his whole NFL legacy

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was saved, defined and improved by Pete Carroll. Pete gets fired,
new guy comes in just does things completely different. And
then you bring in a college offensive coordinator who's a
brilliant college play caller and offensive coordinator. But it didn't
work because it just didn't work. Again, not just with Gino,
it didn't work with the offensive coordinator Mike McDonald. Well,

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now you go out, he gets his own guy in
what he wants to do, McDonald that is, and you
get your quarterback in here that knows the system, buys
into the system.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Lun talked about what a great, you know, locker room
presence Donald was in San Francisco, and I thought it
was interesting yesterday that Jake Bobo brought that up with
both Donald and with Drew lock and just the improved chemistry.
You don't have to get along with everybody, you don't
have to be kumbaya. But on the offensive side of

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the football, where it was. The defense got fixed last
year by the end of the season, and the defense
was a strength by the end of last season, and
they were on the same page. Offense just never was.
You know, the DK Metcalf drama series. It took place
every single week, and I love DK and I hated
when they traded him, and I still don't like the
fact they traded him, but I understand DK is a

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dramatic figure in this play.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
He commands attention and causes and bad ways.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, but he can cause disruptions. Tyler was done and
just physically done. He's not the same player. And so
you moved on from those guys. We can look to
the football part of it all we want. That's the
offensive line was atrocious, but there were other elements in play.
And you know, Sammy d is Bobo was calling Darnold yesterday,

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and Andrew Locke and the fact they got a young
guy that can that they can mentor in Jalen Milroe,
and everythink everyone kind of knows their place and the
pecking order just to vibe. And you have an NFL
offensive coordinator, and I think that's an important thing. Sometimes
it will translate from college to the NFL. We've seen
that Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. It does translate. Yeah, not

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always though, and probably more cases of it not translating
and not working at college coordinator or a head coach
coming to the NFL than there are that do work
to the level that you would want it to be.
It was just different. It was and I think one
thing that just to wrap up before we get to Joe.
One thing that I mentioned to Mark on his way
out of here, off the air, I said what I

(10:10):
was most impressed with. Everyone was there. It's OTAs. You
don't have to be there. There is. Leonard Williams and
Jaron Reid don't need to be there. They were. Hell,
you can make an argument Devin Witherspoon doesn't need to
be there. He's there. This is not mandatory. Last year,
DCAD wasn't in any of the open ones that we
were at. There's a bunch of guys like that. That's

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not the case this year. There's a buy in. DeMarcus
Lawrence was in the building and doing some stuff he
didn't work out. Same with Hankins. There's only two guys.
Everyone else is there. It's there's I think this team
loves where they're at in terms of kind of being
an underdog. I think they love the fact that people
are sleeping on him. It all comes down to Darnold.
Can he play and I think he'll be good enough

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to get them where they need to be with that defense.
But we'll talk about that with Lund. Joe Shean, Joe
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Speaker 2 (11:55):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Happy Tuesday? Happy Baltimore Orioles Day. Here in seatt I'm
gonna get to them in a second, but I want
to start if I can. Randy Johnson yesterday was announced
here in Seattle they're going to retire his number and
it's people are like, wait a second, aren't Theyes, they're
already retiring the fifty one for each row this coming summer.
Randy was very adamant about not wanting to step on

(12:18):
anybody's toes and respect for each ro who had great
respect for Randy when he asked to wear fifty one
when he first came to Seattle. So they're gonna do
the other fifty one next year. It was kind of
a cool teleconference he did yesterday, but he went on
a thing for a while and he said, hey, you know,
this is this is why going. I went in as
an Arizona diamondback, which makes all the sense in the world.
I'll get to that in a second. But if I
just say to you, Joe Shean, Randy Johnson, left handed pitcher,

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what was it about him? I mean, you know, he's tall,
he threw hard on all those things. But but how
would you describe Randy Johnson?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Kind of a classic We don't talk about pictures this
way anymore. We just talk about left handers. As guys
who arrived late, got lefties would come up but really
have to find themselves, and to me, Johnson's kind of
almost a last of that crowd. I just put Liam
Sabathia in that group too. But remember he came up,
but he couldn't find the strikes out for anything. He
was in the Langston trade in eighty nine. The Expos
couldn't figure out what to do with him, and for

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his first few years in Seattle, he wasn't all that great.
He pat innings and strikeouts, but also a ton of walks.
There's a whether it's true or not, the story of
him talking to Nolan Ryan. I want to say this
was a ninety three and that kind of changed the
arc of his career. He became capital letters Randy Johnson
at that point and went on to that incredible run.

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I guess if I had to think of a signature accomplishment,
it was going it was signing that contract with Arizona
and then winning the Saion Award every year at the contract.
I just we've never seen that. I mean, how you
how can you nail a free agent signing any better
than that? And then you know, last deferred. I want
to see his forty five pitching for the Giants and
the Yankees late in his career. But just that that

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level of dominance. I mean, this is back when you know,
I was in college and your exposure to the Mariners
it what it is today. But because they had kN
Griphy Junior, because you know Raddy Johnson was coming in,
it was on. They get on a lot of ESPN
back in the ESPN shows six games a week, and
if Johnson was pitching, man, you were locked in on
that because he just you know, we were used to

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guys now striking out thirty percent of the hitters they face.
I mean, it wasn't that common back then. And you
had a chance to see this ridiculous power, power arm.
And you know, as a left handed hitter, you're thinking
about placing Randy Johnson coming from first base, you know,
six foot one thousand wherever he was throwing ninety seven
from over here. Man, I'm getting, you know, at passing

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getting wet just thinking about.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
It now from years later.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
But no, it's there was. I could do the numbers,
but I do think Randy Johnson is somebody. The visual
of him just so tall in the mound, with that
power arm coming from the left side. That's the first
thing I think of, is that visual of what it
was like to have him pitching in an error where
guys didn't strike out guys the way they did today.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Joe. The thing that we're not going to see this
again in terms of his numbers either, because he averaged
six complete games a season over his career. He had
twelve one season, ten two other seasons, a few eights
along the way. In terms of complete games, he averaged
about what was his average, two hundred and forty odd

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innings a year, two hundred thirty innings pitched too years.
What he averaged he won three hundred games, in which
Andrews and I talked about this yesterday. Okay, maybe the
dumbest stat in sports his baseball pitcher wins. But you know,
for a long time job, as you know, before you
guys started doing your stuff analytically and looking deeper in
the numbers, wins mattered, right, and three hundred wins was
a huge mark. We'll never see some of those numbers again,

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especially twenty two years pitching the big leagues. And I
think I'm most amazed Joe by it. You wrote a
little bit about today. Guys don't want to managers don't
want to let their pitchers see a lineup a third time.
This guy did that and then some and also never really.
I mean, he had a couple of years where he
was banged up, but my god, the long jem he's unreal.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, I remember, I remember ninety eight, ninety eight, the
year they were traded for the Astros.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, it was a big story that year because he
wasn't pitching that well, he was on his way to
the free agency. He was dragging down a Manners team
that was in that middle of that great run from
ninety five to two thousand and one, and you know,
they and then they traded them. Of course, he was
unhittable for the Astros. He got cy Younger votes that year.
He pitched for two months for the Astros. He got
sion votes in the National League. And of course, you

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know we launched after that. But you mentioned the type
of picture he was. You know, we wouldn't let a
guy throw that at many things today, and some of
it is the third time effect. I've written about this,
the third time penalty, where a pitcher is worse against
the lineup, the third and then subsequently four times through
has always existed. If you go back to I did
this story years ago. I looked at like the brief

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pictures of the sixties Mareschal and Coofax and guys like that,
and they all exhibited a third time penalty. We just
didn't know it at the time. We didn't have the numbers.
And the other thing is teams didn't carry eight relievers,
so the equation was different. If you had Randy Johnson today,
who's the who's the Randy Johnson of today? Spencer Strider.
You know, if you had a guy like that today,

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you've got six guys in the bullpen who are probably
better than him the third time around. So that's what
that's where the equation is. Whereas even Johnson, Johnson came
up in an era where teams were carrying five and
six relievers, likely as not Johnson the third time around
was going to be better than your options in the
sixth or the seventh minute. But even then, you know,
he was just he said, I havevered six six complete

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games a year. So he was being taken out for
you know, Bobby Ayala or Norm Charlton or whoever was
coming in to relieve him in the in the eighth
and the ninth Ennix, So he was part of that transition.
But because he came up early and he was still
able to rack up all these numbers, it helped to
be as good as he was. You know, he also
was pitching an error of high run scoring, so he
got really good run support. He's pitching an error early

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on where we're developing closers so you could turn the
game over to the bullpen and have a decent chance
of preserving to win. Whereas those first few years in Seattle,
you know, he had Jim Presley supporting him, and I
mentioned Bobby Ayala. I don't know Mike Jackson or whoever
is closing games. You know, ninety ninety one for the
for the Barners, so a lot of things went right
for every Red community where that has not toppened for anybody.

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Anybody's gonna three hundred games, a lot of things have
to go right for you to have to go right.
But I don't know that like the arc of his
career and thinking about him, because he wasn't just one
year of being this wild pitcher. You look at ninety
ninety one, ninety two. It looked like this is who
was he was going to be and then he just
launched and you know, obviously in the Hall of Fame

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now and having the number retired. Here, here's what I
wanted to ask you, because you're in Seattle and I
don't know if this has been a topic of conversation.
If I just say the number fifty one, which one
comes first?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well, first of all, you'd be a hell of a
radio producer. And can you take tips from this guy?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm sorry, geez, that's what a great What do you think?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I think I'm also a little bit biased because I
was born in ninety seven and so I was really
only one when Randy left. Yeah, so to me, it's
e Tiro and a lot of it's because he stayed
like almost all of his career here. But I know
there's a lot of people that viewed that it is Randy.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
It's a great question. I would say, Joe and I
as well plow this out on the text line at
four nine four five one. Yeah, for me, it would
be Randy. And and but that's just because I was,
you know, I was gone, I was I was in
Salt Lake or Portland. I think when yeah, when each
ro was here, so it was a little different for me.
But I was here when when Randy was at Apex.
I think fifty one was Randy. That's just and maybe

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part of it Joe for me would be I saw
fifty one every time he pitched, like it's on his back, yeah,
each row. Yeah, you know, like it's just it's it
was just so prominent. Like there's guys like twenty four's Griffy.
We just knew that, Like you just know it's Griffy.
Uh and and eleven is Edgar?

Speaker 6 (19:56):
Know that?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
But I I I'd have a hard time telling you
some of the other Manner numbers. I can remember Mark
Langston was twelve. Why can I remember that? I don't know.
I guess I'm old.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
What's the same thing we know pictures numbers because we're
seeing if you're watching any game on television, right, it's
the most prominent thing. Yeah, I think Andrews makes the
clear point that it's probably a generational thing.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yes, yes, you are old.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Enough to remember Johnson, he's more prominent. If you're younger
and you don't really remember him as well, it'll be
each us. So that's probably gonna The answer probably falls
along lines of age, So maybe it's not that interesting question.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
No it is.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's a hell of a question out here in Seattle
Sports Radio, we love it. Four nine four fie one.
By the way, three years in Egaro, like you mentioned,
ninety ninety one ninety two, he led the American League
in walks, you know, like we'll also throwing two hundred
plus strikeouts those years too, So every app bat was
going to be an adventure.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
The witch counts, the pitch counts have to me. I'm
not going to dig him up right now in the air,
but I mean the pitchcounts for ninety ninety one night.
So some of them just have to be utterly insane.
Like I said, nowadays there may be ten starts a
year where a guy goes one hundred and twenty pitches.
I guarantee you Johnson won one hundred and twenty ten
times in each of those years.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Oh god cha, I'm a hunter. Is is baseball better
or worse off with the way it is pitched now,
with the not going to the third time, through not
throwing complete games, going deeper into bullpens, how is it
better or worse?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well? I think this generation of incredibly healthy starters that
it's given us shows that it makes for a better game.
Starters don't get hurt anymore, obviously, so we fixed that problem.
Come on, somebody laughs, somebody laughed at the Stark Cabin.
Give me something here.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
No, I didn't. I lost you for a second. Would
you say I would say it was?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
What I would saying was the you know, well, it's
worked because we've kept all the pitchers healthy by pitching.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yes, I was looking at all the nineteen ninety Randy
Johnson game logs to see if we had any I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
But you know what, yeah, because we know that here
in Seattle, Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Absolutely, yeah,
treating with kid gloves.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Sure, yeah, I'm I don't. I think we've probably gone
too far in that direction. That's that's really how.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
I feel, and I feel we crossed the line some time.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
In the two thousand ten where it was like, well,
pitch them less so they don't get hurt. Well, they
keep getting hurt, so pitch them less. Well they keep
getting hurt, so pitch them less. And now you know,
we just we don't have it. We're not developing stars.
I looked at this last year. If you look at
the minor league pitch counts and the minor league inning totals,
guys just started even going one hundred pitchers in the

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minors like the best. I looked at the BP's top
one hundred, the pitchers on that and like there were,
you know, ten hundred pitch starts in the whole year.
They were like most of the time, they weren't even
going ninety. They weren't pitching in the sixth and the
seventh innings. There's a starter. And I ever looked at
his numbers this year, but last year BP's number twenty pitcher,
now she's the number twenty prospects is a guy named

(22:40):
Noah Schultz for the White Sox, and he hadn't pitched
in the fifth inning yet in his career. So we've
just gone too far in that direction. I'm not saying
you gotta treat guys like I said, there was a
time where we were just breaking pictures by pitching them
too much. Unquestionable. Right, we've gone too far in the
other direct. We've got to come back a bit and
find a way to do that not just in the leagues,
but in the mind. Let's say, if you look at

(23:02):
minor league pitch counts, you look at minor leagueinting totals,
you're just not developing pictures. You can come up to
the majors and go through a line of three times.
I sound there are a couple of issues. I sound
like a true old man on that's one of them.
Another one that wants no noise at the ballpark artificial noise. Yeah,
and never sound more like an eighty year old man
than I do when I talk about that. But I
really there's gotta be a line between Nnie Johnson in

(23:25):
the early nineties and like Noah Shultz today, whereas you're
developing pictures to go deeper in thes, my feeling is
MLB's got to tap pictures on the roster, make it twelve,
then naked eleven, so that you're changing that decision tree
in the fifth and the sixth and the seventh innings,
where Okay, now you only have six relievers available to you,
how are you going to deploy them? By doing that,

(23:47):
you force teams to develop starters who can work deeper
into games. This all comes back to this expansion of
the bullpens from maybe you know, you go back to
the seventies, guy, teas are carrying four and five relievers.
Then it was five or six, then it was six
or seven. Then teams every night. Now I'll go to
war with eight and sometimes nine minute in the bullpen,
and that changes all of the decisions that lead up

(24:07):
to that. So take that decision away, make that harder
decision for managers, and teams will be forced to develop
pitchers who can work deep for any games.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Uh Andrewson mouth, OMG a second ago, what did you see? Uh?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
So I'm just this is just nineteen ninety. I'm gonna
go through some of his pitch counts in some of
these games. One twenty nine, uh one thirty eight, one,
twenty one, one thirty one, one thirty four, one thirty five,
one thirty nine, one twenty eight, one twenty two, one
twenty two, one fifty one, one twenty five, one thirty eight,
one fifty three In the second to last.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Time, Joe, can you imagine that the paddock Paddock pitched
what one hundred and eight pitches the other day from Minnesota,
got to the eighth inning or got seven to two
thirds before he got taken. That was that was like crazy,
like one fifty.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
If a manager did did that today, they would send
them to the Hague. It would it would be a war.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Joshi and joining us Joshian Newsletter Joshian dot com. Tell
us about the Baltimore Orioles. We're going to see them
for three games. They have won three games in a row,
coming in their best pitcher I think goes tonight against
Seattle and George Kirby, who's trying to find his way
back is he's struggling his two stars coming back with
what's going on with the Baltimore Orioles this year.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
We're having so much fun. We got to talk about
the Oils.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yes we do.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
We want a preview. We want your winter expertise.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
One of the most disappointing teams in memory. This is
the team that was supposed to be in the middle
of this arc where they were going to put out
winners behind him gart Donna Henderson and Edie Rutchman and
Grayson Rodriguez. Well, the third of those hasn't hasn't pitched yet,
and it's a question of whether he's going to be
the lap strain from Hell. Alie Rutchman, who seemed to
be on the early part of a of a Hall

(25:46):
of Fame career, hasn't hit at all. This is a
team that at one point had the worst starting pitching
in baseball. It's been a little bit better since then.
They signed a picture from MVP NTB tabay Yuki Sagano,
who's kind of like the Kyle Hendricks of MVP. That's
worked out for them so far. But you know, I
guess you mentioned Zach Eflin going tonight. He's made a
rotation starter. But if he's your number one, you've got problems.

(26:07):
You know, Charlie Morgan was terrible. He's been better of late.
The rotation dragged them down in April. But to me,
it's the offense. I know that the pitching is worse
than the offense in like a holistic standpoint, pitching has
been worse than the offense, but relative to what I
expected from this team. To me, the offense is the problem.
It's been a below average offense so far. If you
tell me on March twenty fifth, these are the Oriols,

(26:30):
I'll say, Okay, they're going to try to win games five, four, six, five, seven, six,
they're going to put up a lot of runs, but
it's going to work, and that hasn't happened. They have
not had the offense they expected. So if you say
going into the season, okay, look Rodriguez is hurt, You've
really got this rotation of number three, number four, number
five starters, but you can put up enough runs to win.

(26:52):
And that's been what's missing. They have not hit over
the weekend. They soot the White Soux over the weekend,
but they did it scoring I think nine runs against
the way sucks at home. I mean, that's supposed to happen.
This seem is gonna be putting up more runs. So
you'll get to watch them this week and tell them
what you think. I mean, the pitching is stabilized here
over the last few weeks. I still think they've got
to treat this as a like. There was an MLB

(27:14):
dot com article they talking about the trade deadline and
the Oriols are kind.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Of being positioned as sellers in a lot of places,
and I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Think they can do that, and they can't swander one
of these seasons. They're eight to a half out of
the wildcard, fourteen out of first I think you look
at these next five weeks up until the all Start
break of getting back to within like five games in
the playoff spot, four games in a playoff spot, and
being buyers at the deadline rather than sellers. I think,
you know, the Mariners have a chance to get a
pretty good chance to win the division, but there's also

(27:39):
a chance that the Astros of the Rangers catch them.
So this series the Orioles Mariners is more important than
you might think because you look ahead the tie breakers
and all of these early season series among potential wildcard
teams end up having more value, were more importance by
the end of the year. If you look at the
last few seasons, playoff races have been decided by tiebreakers,

(28:03):
not necessarily by two teams with the same record, but
like you go into the next to last day and
even though you're one game ahead of a team, if
you can win, they can't catch you because of the tiebreakers.
So the Tiberings have a lot more importance than we
kind of think about them having early in the season.
So this is a big, big series for them. We'll
see if the Orioles. You know, this is not a
team that score a ton of runs and they're playing

(28:24):
it raimon you riot and that that clean up a
lot of the time they were playing an annual rivera
who's this kind of platoon corner guy who's playing against
right handers. Now Dylan Carlson, who is dumped by the
Cardinals and the Rays is playing a ton for them.
It's just it's not the team we thought it was
going to be.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah, it's funny when Joe when you describe you can't
squander one of these years in a young cors that
needs to be to get the anti Mariners.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
It's not with the lineup with the Orioles and then
they just can't figure out they're pitching.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's the opposite with the Merits. And Joe's mentioned about
the wild card tile tiebreakers. Yeah, that sounds vaguely familiar, Anders,
is it not. Yeah, the last couple of year you
come down to that weird That's exactly.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm kind of hitting the thing. I'm kind of hitting
themes that I'll also mentioned. You know, there's also parallels
in that, you know, neither the Mariners know the Orioles
have really gone all in in terms of spending money
or trading prospects to improve the current team, right, you know,
Jerry Depoto and Mike Elias, it's the Spider Man mean
kind of empointed at each other like they're the same thing.
David Rubinstein and John Stanton Arizona, same thing. Where just

(29:26):
they haven't gone in said they've been content to build
these okay rosters as opposed to going in and say, hey,
we're going to spend on the two hundred million dollar
player who's gonna put us over the top. We're going
to trade these top prospects even though there's a risk
in doing so to get the four win five win
stars gonna put us over the top. So a lot
of similarities there as well. Obviously, I think the Mariners

(29:46):
have gotten more production from from the young players. Obviously
the pitchers would healthy have been good. They just called
a Cole Young. I think he's gonna be a very
good player. But I again, a lot of similarities here
in terms of wasting opportunities.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
By the way, people love you, Joe, except for the
one little thing. Don't ever bring up Bobby. The name Bobby,
I la radio gain here that you might as well
just say, hey, go thunder and like to be the
same reaction here yeah, the same.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Also to tame for a championship, Oh.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
No, oh, throw something of your television. We do the
same thing, and they go, oh, the first championship since
nineteen seventy nine. No, it's their first. Nineteen seventy nine
was the Sonics. Anyway, we digress. Tell people the Jochian
Newsletter minus Bobby Aela.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
That think. I don't think it comes up too often.
Go check out Josia dot com. If you enjoy these
segments with Ian, I think you'll enjoy the newsletter. It
just turned fifteen years old and I've been righting this.
You know, I've got a couple thousand subscribers who really
enjoy it. It covers everything you know on field off field.
Obviously a lot of big off field stuff coming up
in future seasons will be on the business and labor side.

(30:52):
But in season it just gets every team. It's not
just Cubs, Redsaxayakes that come, the Marriners. I cover all those, yeah,
secondary terciary teams and nobody really get No, I'm kidding.
I want to make sure that the newsletter it's very
of effect. I'm just I'm running a poll right now. Well,
I basically just ask what's your favorite team. I have
subscribers who are fans of every single team, and I

(31:14):
want to see the Marriagers were like last time I
did this, as the Marriagers were just outside the top ten,
so they were one of the largest small market teams.
And I think a lot of that is because I
do radio in Seattle, so I get subscribers from Seattle.
But it's very important to me that every fan reads
about their team. I'm just about to start this thing.
I do the divisional whip rounds. I will literally hit
every all thirty teams in the next week and a

(31:34):
half or so. So it's a great time that you
get check in and it's not any one thing, it's
just you know, whatever about a particular team catches my
attention in that the particular day. But these are these
are really fun, important weeks for me where I really
have to check in on the league and do say,
if you're a Rocky fan, I'm sorry, first of all,
but you want to read about your team and it's

(31:55):
done is all. There is something that's the thing about it.
And he got to be a big you got to
be a real scene. He had to get this. But
there's something interesting about every baseball team. There's something interesting
about every game every single night. Shan Miller is this
great writer. He used to be respect us in ESPN
now is and he's just somebody who can find a
play and do a thousand words on it. If you

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love this game, it's always something to write about.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
So, like I said, check out.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
The newsletter and you'll always have something to read about
your team. Event you know, I'll get to every team
in the league. I'll get to the contenders, I'll get
to the players. But it's about all of baseball. It's
not just about the headlines.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Joshian Joshian dot com. Big thanks in Northwest Handling Systems
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(32:52):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
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Speaker 1 (33:14):
Possibly the first time that angry Sarah Spain gave me
something to discuss that's actually positive. Yeah, it's not her
normal negative world she lives in, Sarah Spain. God, she

(33:34):
talked about PWHL in the of course we know we
see Aw's got an expansion team coming. Kind of an
interesting development there. This would have been good for your report, Sarah,
not to tell you how to do your job, but
there was actually significant move made twenty four hours ago,
and that was the Boston Fleet decided they are not
going to protect Hillary Knight. Who's the biggest name, the
best player, and the best player, well, biggest name in

(33:56):
women's hockey in the US, best women's US player, right,
I think, yeah, right, she's the best US.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Player, Sarah Nurse. Is she Canadian?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
She's Canadian?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
She I think so, yeah, so you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, thirty five years old, she's going to be playing
in her final Olympics this year, but she can still
flat out play. She ever is almost a point the game.
Last year she was left unprotected go get her Seattle,
and it makes a hell of a lot more sense
for her to be in Seattle than Vancouver, which is
the other expansion franchise. Hillary Knight would be a nice,
nice get for Seattle and the PWHL team. I had

(34:28):
a chanced to meet her last year she came by.
I didn't do the interview. They let Alison and Linda
did that, but I met her, talked to her for
a bit. Really impressive young women and a great, great
ambassador for the sport. You know, it was written somewhere.
I believe it was in the Athletic that. You know,
Seattle's been kind of lucky on the women's side. We

(34:52):
can say we want about Rappino. She's the biggest name
in soccer for a long time. She was here. Whether
or not she wanted to play for the rainmost nights,
that's a different story. But you did have Megan Rapino
at the top of the list. So you had Sue Yes,
who's nothing but it's nothing but class and winning and
everything else and super you know, was the cornerstone for

(35:13):
that Storm franchise for so many years. If you could
start off your hockey franchise with Hillary Knight, that'd be
a really cool deal, like a really really good deal.
It would can speak and talk and sell the game
all those things. So yeah, there you go. Okay, I
want to get to that great you know, Anders, I
know it's your birthday and all, but damn.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
It, you should learn from Joe Shi. I know, and
so should I as a host. A great question. If
Jess was here, she would have gotten it. Yeah she would, Yes,
would so great question, who do you think of?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
First? With fifty one?

Speaker 5 (35:49):
I can see both, and I've like kind of really
like reflected on, like, hmm, is that the right answer?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
A great question, because it does. There's no easy answer
for most of us, right.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
And I love how you can say either one. There's
a lot of texts in and we'll get to these
at two thirty, but you could say either one, honestly,
and there's not really a wrong answer to.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
His question, is who's the first one do you think of?
For you? It is, Yeah, you were two years old
when Randy left.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
But I still like, oh, the mysticism behind him that
everyone talked about him. I've gone back and I've gone
back and watched.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Multiple like documentaries about you know, the nineties Mariners, and everything,
and god, that's just someone I love and I personally
I think he's at least a top at least a
top five left handed picture of all time, at the
very least probably top three, and he has an argument
to be the best.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Honestly.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
The remarkable thing is, you know, fin he won the
cy Young five times, once in Seattle, and as Joe mentioned,
four straight years in Arizona.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Do you think that was a good signing.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
And then the next thing to World Series? Uh yeah?
And but then the crazy So the next year he
was banged up a little bit that he only made
eighteen starts. The next year, comes back the next season
thirty five starts, leads the league in that category eight
point four war.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Yeah, that's good for a picture.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Finish is second of the cy Young. So four straight
year off and then the second place finish was that here?
Two and three, two thousand and four, four? Yeah, who
was it that year?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
And four Cy Young Award winner?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
National League?

Speaker 5 (37:27):
That's j Santana is American League Roger Clemens.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, ooh, okay, so he lost to a guy in
the juice. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Yeah, that was the other thing I was going to
bring up.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
He literally is almost his entire career was peak steroid era.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, like point, like it's total hitter friendly, like you
see the like we're in a picture friendly era now.
But if you and if you look back at offensive
stats are just crazy astronomical during the nineties and early
two thousands, but not with this guy. He was so
dominant in the in the hitter friendly era of the steroids.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, and if you looked at Randy, looked at his
body type, it didn't change. No, he was. It's not
the guy wasn't on the juice. I don't think you know,
I guess only he would know. It's kind of like
Griffy Griffy wasn't Griffy Griffy like that would like you
can be on the juice, but you still have to
do something like in the weight room and all that,
you know, like, which that wasn't who Griffy was. He

(38:26):
just naturally went out there and was the best player
in baseball. Yep, And Randy might have it was for
that stretch of twenty two years from you know, eighty
eight when he made his debut and really probably from
about nineteen ninety one, was the best left tender in.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Baseball, and Randy was a little bit different, Like he
didn't just show up and he was the best.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
He had to really hard game day, really had I mean,
he had the natural ability of the arm with the
arm talent was there, but you know, I the term
command would have probably not described him in that whole
stretch of ninety ninety one ninety two when he went
won twenty one to fifty two and one hundred and
forty four walks that year to leap americanly.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Well, and I can't remember this is on, but.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
He was dropping two bills in terms of strikeouts in
those same years.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
So I mean basically, you either.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Walked or struck out against Randy two three truer outcome guy, Yeah, exactly.
There was no in between. Man, no, oh god, all right,
four nine, four to five one, Who do you think
of first? With fifty one? We'll get to those coming
up at two thirty. John Line will break down o
TA stats next.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
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Speaker 1 (39:44):
They make him wacky in the Bay Area. I heard
that promo today. Do you have you heard the promoles?

Speaker 5 (39:49):
That's great?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Hey, do you have it? Can you play it?

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Let me say if I can find out to look for.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
The law, you gotta play that for one? How are you, sir?

Speaker 6 (39:57):
I have never been better and I feel your pain
as as a baseball town. Do you know that our
baseball team here has scored fourteen runs in nineteen games.
Excuse me, nineteen runs in fourteen games, which is less
than two a game. Our starter last night logan Web
through eight innings they lost an extra innings one zip.
They never score theirs fights between the hitters and the pitchers,

(40:20):
it's I feel your pain. This is like we're like
the same city.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
And they'll play to other in the World Series this year.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
What won nothing be better in Indiana and Oklahoma in
the NBA finals.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
To say that right now we're going to get too much,
that we're going to get to that and we're going
to get to that nonsense in a second? Was it
pitchers and hitters fighting seriously like doug out or what like?

Speaker 6 (40:40):
This whole No, it's kind of after the fact, it's like,
you know, it'd be really cool if you score to
some runs. We've carried you every once in a while.
I know you haven't, guess we have. It's just, you know,
it's just one of those deals where the pitchers are
kind of you know, it happens in the NFL. You
see it on the sidelines where yeah, the defensive guy
will walk over to the you know, offensive line or
quarterback or something go like, what else do you want
me to do?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just I mean, you guys
went through this mostly last year. I mean, I know
you you have some issues this year too, but like
last year, you had, you had the best pitching in baseball.
They're the Giants right now. They had a they had
a two seventy seven ERA from their starters and a
two forty three ARRA from the relievers in May and
went thirteen and fourteen. I mean it's like, really, I mean,
wouldn't you fight. Wouldn't you be in the club that's

(41:21):
going What do you want me to do?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I don't know, scratch scratch. One runner's only score with
home runs. I mean, if Cal doesn't hit a home run,
which he does pretty much every game they don't win.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
I think he's the greatest catcher of all time.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Crew, Johnny Bench, Pud Rodriguez, those guys are Gary Carter
with his white man afro, no man, all those guys.
Screw them. It's all about Cal, baby, It's all about Cal.
It is you, guys, us a good catcher down there.
What's he f to now? The Buster guy?

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Buster?

Speaker 6 (41:51):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (41:51):
What's his name?

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Yeah, he's he's the president. He's the president of Baseball operations.
And my grand idea was put him in, Like how
bad can he be? Like, take your suit off, dude
and swing the bat. He's only been retired like two years.
I mean, why not.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
We are joining, We are joined at the hip. Our
manager is Dan Wilson. The before, before, before, before Cal,
he was argued with the best catcher in Murder's history.
That was really a really low bar, but it was
still he was almost one.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
But you know what they do? You know why they
do that. It's like, well, if they're gonna hate us,
it's gonna be a lot harder to hate Dan Wilson
or in our case, Buster Posey or they That's why
they did it. Like when I was down there, we
did the press conference with him when I had a job,
and it was like, you know, I'm talking to Buster
and he's like, he has no experience doing this. But
you know, they figured, well, they hate us, but it's
gonna be a lot you know, harder to hate us

(42:42):
if they like the guy in charge. So I was like, oh, good, idea, Okay,
let's try that.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You still have a job, John lens unleashed. That's a job.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
Good job. Yeah, it's a job. It's just you know,
it's a job where like if I feel like drinking
at eight in the morning, I can. I don't know
what kind of job that is.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And that brings us, brings us to the promo fire
Away Anders coming up.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
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They make him wacky in the Bay Area, the craziest
man in San fran who's live on Scene Radio with
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Speaker 1 (43:18):
I bet you didn't get that kind of love of
cambr back in the day, huh. I bet they didn't
give you that.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
First of all, again, Kindred Spirits, You and I are
Kindred Spirits for a midday show to get a promo,
you gotta have you know, I don't know who would
you have to have on to get a promo?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Not you?

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Because it's like, I know, I can't even believe this,
because normally, like the drive time so like the morning
show gets all of it or softly in the afternoon
we get all of it, like promo. I'd never got
a promo. They you know, we sit down in a
ratings meeting, like I would really like, you're ready to
be better. I'd like, I'd like to get a little
promotion around here. They don't even know I exists in
the midday, you ask, I wouldn't you guys? Man, I

(43:58):
don't know why you're not doing better and buried in
the mid days and you guys act like I don't
even have a show.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
And does this sound familiar?

Speaker 5 (44:06):
That sounds very familiar. I hear it every day. John,
You know the best.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Thing it goes back, John will remember this. Mike, the
great Mike Gaston gas Man was on our you know,
was the anchor of the station for so many years,
enjoying retirement now, but on Whidby Island, And when I
first got hired, I did stuff with with him all
the time in Seattle when I was doing back basically
after once Locke and Lund left salt Lake, I was

(44:31):
the only guy left. And so anytime, anytime there was
like a Sonics jazz game or something to talk about,
Gas would call me and he introduced me as the name.
Remember the name of my show. I hadn't salt Lake
because I hated that. I'm not going to mention the
guy Jeff Rickard, our great program director. Oh worse, yeah,

(44:53):
but but he I started to call my show Area
fifty one because they wouldn't acknowledge it. Remember that, Well,
the guy, the guy who was the program just real
quick because.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
No one cares. But the the guy who was the
program director also did drivetime PM Drive, so he just
took everything. He sucked everything up. It was like every promost. Hey,
Jeff Reckord and he was the worst Taksha host in history.
He would go walking into his studio and he turned
to me because I was coming out. He'd go, what's
going on today? And I go, what's going on today?
You have the program director and the PM Drive guy

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getting paid like ten times when I'm getting paid, and
you just asked me what's going on today?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Why didn't you You should have set him up. Well,
I mean, outside of the fact that Carl Malone got traded.
I don't know, Jeff, I want to talk about being
out for the season. Jerry sloangten fired.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
But you know, yeah, okay, this is one really quick
and good story though this is no joke. The the
Delta Center where the Jazz played basketball, they were they
had a they had a tornado, you know, zipping through
town had a tornado.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Hey, you know, I was, I was, I was on it.
I took I was on an airplane that day because
because you were no because we were flying out to
go to uh meetings for the hockey team, IHL meetings
for the International Hockey League. But and I you got lucky, dude.
I took off and it hit like, I don't know,
twenty minutes letter because I landed, and my wife is like,
you know, that's back when you're like you could do

(46:19):
like analog texting on your cell phone, right, And she's like,
oh my god, tornado that's all I saw.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
Ye. So listen to this, jeff Rickerd. This guy was
talking about worst program director in history. The top they
take like it takes a chunk off the Delta Center,
which is like it's cement and it's like two miles
from where the radio station is. Jeff Rickord comes running
in there and says, hey, we need you to stay
on the air. I said, dude, I'm not staying.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
On the air for you.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
I'm gonna die here.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Do you think I'm staying on the air for you.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
I got the hell out of there. I left. He
was going to come in and do a show, and
he didn't want to do it. He wanted to leave.
He wanted me to die. The guys like to kill
me afusing, like what just stay on there? You stay
on the air, Like why so you can leave? I'm like,
I am at it.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
He's the captain. He's the captain of the he's the
captain of the ship. That's the first one on the lifeboat.
That's what that guy was.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
He's like on the Titanic. He's taking the lfeboat.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Shoving women and children out of the way.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Get out of my way.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm taking you guys are on your own. Yeah we
got yeah. Gussieu still love it. In fact, when I
first came here, he said, you should name the show
instead of Ian and Elisee or whatever it was. He like,
he's just name it Area fifty one. And like I said,
I said, I'm not bitter with Rich yet, that'll take
at least six months. I'll get pissed off of the

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company within six months. And I tried. I think I
tried to asking Rich to do that once and he
didn't think it was funny or good. And so here
we are, John un joining us, John joining us here,
slow down on. Okay, See, buddy, what do you mean
by that? I saw that today in your headline. Come on,
what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (47:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I'm gone. I'm sorry to have
to say this because I.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Wanted to go down as badly as you did.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
But now that it's Indiana, and by the way, the
two smallest markets ever play in the NBA finals, I
don't see how they can stop them. And then what's
scary is, and I do I hate to say this,
I really do, is they're going to get that championship swag.
And unless Sam Presty, their general manager who ran the Spurs,
so he knows what it's like, unless they do something stupid,
I mean, they might do this for a long time.

(48:21):
I'm sorry to say this, but I told you to
bet against what I said. So if you bet against
what I said, then you have a.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
New house, car, maybe wife.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
I don't know, but you know I told you. I
told you I was gonna be wrong, but I just
I God, I didn't want to see Oklahoma City in there.
But now that they're there, and if they win a title,
they're going to get that swag you know that championships.
The Seahawks had it. You win a championship, but you
know what it takes and you and they're so young.
You know, the average age I'm sorry to keep saying this,
but the average age Oklahoma City is twenty four point

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seven years old. God, I mean, they're they're not going
away unless there's a catastrophe. They have tornadoes there all
the time, so you never know. But my god, this could.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Get do people in like Minnesota made fun of him.
What do people in other Western Conference markets say about
SGA and the free throws and all that stuff? Is
he is he considered? I mean I just think he's
hard to watch. I mean he's a great player. Yeah,
make no mistake, I'm not stupid, like we all like
he's a great player. Dude, Stop it, like really, now,

(49:21):
I mean people maybe complain about Steph back in the
day about that stuff. I don't know. It just feels
it's just hard to watch well.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
And I think the biggest problem is is again, as
they get better and he's get you know, I know,
he won just won the MVP, but he's twenty six.
He's going to get more and more calls because he's
doing that, and he's getting semi superstar calls. Now he's
going to start getting all of them. And it's like
I said, I don't want to say this because I
don't like Oklahoma City. I don't think that they should
have taken him. I get mad at you and I

(49:48):
have this conversation. I get mad when they say the
last time Oklahoma City won a championship was never? Never
was they won a championship?

Speaker 4 (49:56):
You know?

Speaker 6 (49:56):
So you know, and they're going to get those fringe
players who go chase championships. I mean, like I said,
it could get ugly unless Indiana can do something that
I don't think anybody thinks they can do.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
No is there. I mean if Halburton can he go crazy?
Can he carry them?

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:12):
I mean he has you know, Pascal Siakam and and
those guys. They've got some guys that are playing over
their head. But it seems just like one of those
situations where you have a team that's early rolling. I mean, oksee,
just blew the doors up Minnesota and Anthony Edwards wasn't
very good and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
I just I don't see it. I think there. I
think unfortunately, I think they're gonna win, which, by the way,
both well for you listening in Seattle, because as I said,

(50:36):
my bet throw is wrong. So I think Oklahoma City
is going to take care of him pretty easily. In
that stinks. But if you bet against me, you generally win.
So maybe maybe I'm better of recent wrong. But you
look at it and you just say, geez, you know,
Indiana did some good things to get to the Knicks.
I think the Knicks got as far as they possibly could.
But you know, like I said, this, this Oklahoma City thing, unfortunately,

(50:56):
could be a dynasty.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Kevin Pritcher is still the GM that isn't the president
right for Pacers, my buddy Vin, I think.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Yeah, I think yeah, yeah, the team, yeah, you know,
they've done some good things. But but reality is is
that you know, and you gotta get lucky. I mean,
Paul George got them, Shay Gildess, Alexander, they got all
these picks and all of a sudden, you're sitting there.
And that's the thing that's scary is they're They're average
age is twenty four point seven and they still have
both the boatloads of picks and they have a guy
who ran this first three years who knows what it's

(51:23):
like to keep them on top. So it's it's gonna
be tough. Don't see these guys once they kind of
get that, if they get that championship swagger from a win,
then all of a sudden, we all know how that
changes the team. They just they just have that confidence
that they can come back and they can beat it.
And a lot of times they're right when they're.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
That good people up here we're complaining John John Lon
joining us a week. We visit John London leash go
check it out. Bill Pierrot camp playing Oh, I can't
believe the crack and fired a coach, three coaches in
five years and all this kind of stuff. And I said, well,
they've only in their in their four seasons, they've been
in the playoffs once they felt like last year they
didn't get to the playoffs. They kind of underachieved structured,

(51:58):
a lot of things were going wrong, and and they
just made a mistake with the files my hirings. They
got out from it, which to me is fine. You
know before that it was Hackstall. There's a lot of
things going on there. They need to make a move.
I can make an argument there for those two coaches
being fired. Hell, most of the time you can make
an argument for a coach being fired. I'm trying to
figure out what the Knicks are doing. Tom Thibodeau five
years for playoff appearances, deepest playoff running, twenty five years,

(52:21):
Eastern Conference championship, they lose in the finals, Eastern Conference Finals,
and you're fired? Like what.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
That? You know, does that happen here with San Francisco?
You know after Harbaugh, we could you guys laugh at
us because all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, Jim
Tomsul who shouldn't have been a head coach, and Chip Kelly,
who we know is a college coach some noow got
an OC job with the Raiders, and then finally they
found Kyle Shanahan, And you know, I think what happens
with certain teams is they just have an expectation that's unrealistic.

(52:50):
Like the Knicks haven't won a championship forever, they hadn't
been to the NBA finals since what the ewing days,
and you're you're there's a guy that's right there, that's
getting there. In the case of what you've got in Seattle,
I think maybe Las Vegas ruined some things, like you
should be getting to places quicker than you might right
actually should be getting to them. I'm sure you've had
that discussion. But there's I think there's certain organizations where

(53:12):
you just go, look, you're not what you think you are.
And plus, if you look around sports just in general,
the teams who have continuity and have patience and have
a good owner I mean, let's be honest, you know
this better than I do. And ownership great ownership, and
then it goes down. So if you have bad ownership,
look at all the all the bad teams in sports,
ninety percent of them have bad ownership. Like the Raiders

(53:32):
are never going to be good under Mark Davids, like
go on and on and on and on and on.
Here in the Bay Area. Once the Warriors, I mean
The Warriors had been the lapping You know this, The
Warriors have been the laughing stock of the NBA for years.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
They get a great owner like Joe Lake, of who.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
They have all of a sudden they change things around.
The Giants down here, they have garbage ownership. I mean,
that's I mean, it's just what it comes down to.
So you can do all the things that you think
are right, but it starts at the top. And this
is in sports. This is business, this is Paul, this
is everything. It's it starts at the top and then
goes down whether it's good or bad. And so James
Dolan is on the Knicks for a long time and
he's an awful owner. He's one of the worst owners

(54:05):
in all sports. He was the guy who kept hiring
Isaiah Thomas. Was like, everyone wanted to trade with Isaiah Thomas. Dude,
this is awesome. Keep Isaiah Thomas in the elite. We'll
pay his salary just like he makes a horrible trade.
That's who James Dolan like was in love with as
a general manager for years. So it doesn't surprising the
slightest that they would go, you know, pretty darn far.

(54:26):
And you know what, I think your guy Kevin Durant,
who obviously started his career there in Seattle, I think
that's where.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
He's gonna end his career.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
I think he's gonna go to the Knicks. I think
they're gonna trade Karl Anthony Towns and that's gonna be
a horrible situation. But the Knicks have bad ownership, and
bad ownership makes bad decisions.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Let me go back. So in the Bay Area, the
worst owner is the owner of the baseball team. The
best owners are the basketball and the football teams. I'm
gonna just bring it up to Seattle for a second.
Our best owners would be even though Paul Allen's no
longer with us, I still put Jody and the trust
was with Paul Allen. Seahawks. The Kracking ownership's unbelievable what
they were able to do and what they do do

(55:00):
and how they handle things. And then there's the Maritors.
We are kindred soulcer. It is like we are joined
at the cat now, I mean baseball bat owners. Everybody
else could owners along the way. Hey, speaking of the Seahawks,
I was out of the OTAs yesterday doing the show
you know open.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
I saw some highlights out there, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I thought of you. I was like, I wonder if
one is standing on the sideline charting brought purty Ota
passes against air right now, like like like we do out.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Here, Oh my god, it is maybe I got a
lot of them, but that it might be my number
one pep peeve. And I understand that in today's day
and age, like you have to give the people what
they want, which is what they want. But like last week,
I think they charted brought it Brocket like thirteen of
seventeen or something. So the point is, I did see

(55:47):
everything that you're talking about there, and what did Darnold
through like two or three interceptions and stuff like that.
I think Julian Love got one, see I know what
I'm talking about. Yeah, and Job got one right, And
I'm just I'm just like, I get it, man. I
understand what we have to do as a media nowadays
because it's just there's so much to consume and everybody
wants to know everything. But you don't know anything about

(56:09):
what was going on right there. I mean you do
because you were standing there, and of course you know
what you're talking about, but most people, and most even
most media people like what was Darnold trying to do?
Is at the fifth time they were in that play?
Does the defense know that play? Did they jump to play?
Like there's just a spring training? Is that way? OTA's
training camp is the worst because training camp what every
but everybody charts everything and then and then it becomes

(56:32):
a topic. Like I'll give you a great example. Last
year they there was actual concern because brock Perty was
throwing training camp interceptions and it was like, well you
got I mean seriously, people were riding and talking about it. It
was just like, oh my god, are you You've got
to be kidding me, Like, but that's a thing, like
every year in training camp the quarterback will throw a

(56:53):
bunch of interceptions. We have no idea what they're working
on or what kind of things are going on, or
like tread Warner loves to piss off the offense. It
is the best example I got. Fred Warner loves to
piss off the offense and he knows a lot. Well,
they'll say like this is the play, this coming up,
and he'll jump the play, get a pick and run
a pick six back and the offense gets really mad
at him. But he thinks that's funny and so like, and.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
No one's gonna say anything to Fred Warner.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
No, nobody gives context to anything.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's mind body.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
So are people up there going, oh, Sam Donald?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
The stories, the stories today in the paper this morning,
and what people were talking about is that Drew Locke
looked better than Sam Donald in the Now listen. It's
the first open Ota. They've had other OTAs where we
can't go watch, but the watch and admittedly, Drew Locke
he made a throw in front of us, kind of
a cross body thing, like, well, it's pretty good. It

(57:47):
doesn't matter it's air or not right, like that's that's
damn impressive. But it's also an NFL quarterback. Those guys
are able to do things that people are like, oh,
that's that's pretty good. And but but of course what
happened is because of all that, then Mike McDonald has
to go on the flagship radio station today and say
our starter is Sam Donald. No, really, is it really?

(58:08):
And that turns into a story in the Times encountered.
The other story that was Sam Darnald struggled while Drew
Locke was great on in an Ota in June. God,
what are we doing well?

Speaker 6 (58:19):
First of all, I live in the place in which
the modern day quarterback controversy started, Joe versus Steve, Joe
Montanasy Young, and it was constant, constant contint I've talked
to Steve a million times about it, and it's laughable.
And look, Donald's gonna come, He's gonna play well. Plus
there's there's this thing where lots of guys are good
practice players, some guys aren't. Whatever the case may be,

(58:40):
arm strength. I mean, I'll tell you this, and I
stuck by this, and I told you this a million
times when training camp starts my words and if I'm wrong,
you know I'll owan up to it or whatever. But
Sam Donald, so many times when brock perty was established
a starter and Sam Donald was the backup here in
San Francisco, so many people said, oh.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
My god, Darnald is amazing.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
People here said it was the best ball they'd ever
seen thrown by a forty nine ers quarterback, which includes
Joe and Steve and everybody else here. They went gag
offer Sam Donald in training camp when he was here,
because he looks great physically. His problem is mentally does
he see it? Can he read it?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Does he get through his reads?

Speaker 6 (59:14):
Does you know, does he get it to the right guy?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Is it accurate?

Speaker 6 (59:18):
He throws a pretty ball, He's got a great arm,
he's an athlete. There's a reason why he was drafted
third overall. But sometimes mentally Sam Donald doesn't see it
and doesn't get it to the right guy at in
the right time, in the right timing, or get through
his read. So in training camp, I promise you this
is gonna happen. They're going to go through a stretch
where the media is just Google Gaga in love with

(59:40):
Sam Donald. Because physically he can do it. It's the
mental side. And once the game starts and once the
bullets fly, and if that offensive line, which is questionable,
and that should be the big question. But in short,
you can't know, you can't know anything about that is
whether that line's gonna hold up well enough so he
can be effective, because he can be effective, but it
has to be in a you know, in a certain
scenari in which he is. But what what happened yesterday

(01:00:03):
totally irrelevant. I wasn't standing there like you, but it's
totally irrelevant. Once camp starts, they're gonna love them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
You know, they're gonna love they're gonna love Milroe. Jalen Milroe.
I'm gonna tell you right now totally. It's gonna be
when when we get to training because the fans come
to training camp here in Seattle, like there'll be a
couple thousand fans every day they're watching, and Jalen Milroe
physically is so gifted. He's gonna make throws or like
he'll make he'll do a run you know, like where
he you know, like where they don't blow it dead

(01:00:29):
necessarily right away and you can't hit him anyway, and he's,
oh my god, oh my god, Milrolle should be the guy.
Milroe should be the guy. It's like it's gonna happen.
It will happen. Happened here and I downplay for this.
I love being out there. I think it's good for us.
Like you know, you talk to players face to face.
And the one thing I got out of yesterday real quick,
we gotta wrap it up is what you've said before.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Players loved Darnold Sammy D. They call him Sammy D.
They love this guy, and I love him here and
I don't know. Something was wrong last year with Gino
and it was just it wasn't right here. Whatever was
it just wasn't quite right here. I think maybe it
was because he was a peak guy and Pete got fired,
But I don't know. They love Sam, So we'll we'll see.
We'll get more O TA and Mini camp updates and

(01:01:09):
stats from you next week. In the meantime, tell him wait,
Tell people how they can do, how they can find
John Loved Unleashed by the way, I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
A lot of people from Seattle come up and give
me grief and I like it. Just go to John
Lound Unleashed on YouTube or John Londonleas dot com. Much
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Go subscribe, go check it out. He does a great job.
It's highly entertaining. He talks to himself for like two
hours straight. It's amazing. Not few people can do that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
It's pretty amazing. Many brothers or sisters, you know. So
I'm just guys what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
I've had a great day. How are you? That's pretty good. Yeah,
that's been my whole life. I don't have any friends, John,
you know you're my only friend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
That's about it. Locks on your friend anymore? No more?

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
You kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
That guy?

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Oh I have this network podcast network. I can't talk
to you. My kids are rich.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Don't even get me started.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Be careful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
He's one of his employees is Anders here, so it's uh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
You know, look, David is a good friend of say
that right to his face.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
I've already met him, so I have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, I told him not to hire you Andrews, so
he he obviously doesn't listen to me either. So that's fine.
All right, talk to you next week.

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
See uh you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
John Long, John London, Least go check it out John London,
Least dot com. We asked a fun question earlier fifty
one first first player that comes to my not both
just right off the top, fifty one is it? Is
it intro or is it Randy? Thank you? We'll do
that next.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
This banks through some textro Shalley four nine, four to
five one. Our guy Joe she and just brought up
a hell of a question to us today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yeah, doing some producing for me, I like it, I
have to do some writing Pramiles.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Did he spec him? So I kind of dropped the
ball a little bit. Plus, it is, you know, my birthday,
so it is your birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
He just we were talking about Andy Randy Johnson earlier
and he just said, he said, hey, like which guy
comes to mind first? I Troll or Randy?

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I'm like, well, I didn't even thought of that. Pretty
good one. I'm expecting it fully to be a topic
between three and seven today. Now, uh four, two five?
You say fifty one is Randy all day? I'm thirty four,
so I saw them both young. Two three fifty one
equals the big unit. Uh three six? Oh, big e.
I'm forty years old and it's Randy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I think it's a generation thing. Three six, Oh, that's
a great question. I would consider Randy as first the
main number. Fifty one. There's a lot, a lot of
these are everyone of them. Now, maybe this is just
how old my audience is, but I find me, find me,
read me and roll or.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Two leah two five three. It's each row and it's
not even close. Randy was a great picture picture for
the Mariners, but his best years were in Arizona, So
you're retiring his number for the Arizona Randy or for
the Mariner's Randy question mark, it was still great as
a Maria young Yeah, yeah, But I mean, like, I
think the longevity thing is huge. Sure, Let's see, Johnson

(01:04:26):
is the only fifty one Eachiro should uh should never
should have gotten the number, and Randy's by far the
better player.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Uh well, Ichiro asked Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
He did, Randy, Randy Johnson talked about it yesterday. Is
pretty it's a pretty cool part of the news conference yesterday,
and they.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Have incredible mutual respect between each other. And that's why
I kind of love this situation again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Like I do too. I think it's really it's perfect.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
It's like, oh my god, which one who deserves the
fifty one?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
No, no, that's kind of what we're doing now. But
I mean, like, I love that the Mariners have just
leaned too. Hey, both of these guys were absolutely legends
for our franchise.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
We're not going to choose one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
They're both going to have their number retired deservedly, so
even if it's the same number.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
It's interesting with baseball because it's an easier sport to
retire a number in too, there's a lot. Yeah, football
is is really hard, accepting the Yankees and you're starting
to run out of numbers to use. Well yeah they're
but they're just different. But football is really hard. I
mean there's it's now they changed the rule a few
years ago where guys, you know, there's a little more
flexibility and what number you could wear depending on your position. Right,

(01:05:28):
so like defensive lineman DeMarcus Lawrence, for example, is gonna
wear zero this year. Yeah, that wouldn't have been the
case few years ago. So it does open up a
few extra numbers. But sure, the reality is you have
what one hundred numbers zero through ninety nine? Yeah is
that right? My myth?

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
No, Yeah, that's numbers fifty three players on a roster.
Then you add in a practice squad of another fifteen guys,
so now you're sixty eight seventy guys on your roster
and game time, then you have guys on the injured list.
So now so you got another seventy, So you got
seventy five guys in your building at any given time.
That really severely limits the number of jerseys numbers you

(01:06:05):
can retire in Seattle. We know seventy one, right, ninety
six and and eighty I think that's it correct. Twelve
and twelve, yes, twelve, twelve, twelve, but it's and the Seahawks.
There's nowhere is it published. I've been told though, for
Seahawks numbers to be retired, you would have to be

(01:06:26):
fifthy criteria only playing in Seattle and a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
It's hard to do well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Which takes Bobby out of it. Yeah, do you think
they'll they won't retire his number? Wow, it'll be a
while before that. Eric Kennedy, who's the equipment manager, be
a long time before he gives it away. Cliff always
tells a great story, like a year after he left,
he's out there covering training company. He's working for hours,
and he's like, damn, the guy weren't fifty six already?

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
The hell wasn't it, like Michael Kendricks or something. Yeah,
like what the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Man, it's coind of only been gone for like four months.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
I'm still here too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
It took what it took a few years for USS three,
you know, because yeah, mental worries, weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Is that the first one to where it since for
us I think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I think it is. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, you know,
twenty four has been worn. I mean it's really it's
twenty five has been worn. Yeah, it's true, thirty one
has been worn. I mean all those numbers and and
but us first, like you have to be a Hall
of Famer and only a Seahawk, Well that just Bobby's
the next Hall of Famer. Shirm's gonna be a Hall
of Famer. Those guys woth played elsewhere?

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Yeah they did. It's hard yeah, plus alright, sorry, Mariners
is more like uh in baseball in general is more ceremonial,
like you remember moments a little bit more than like
this like whole season, so like I can understand that more.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
But yeah, it may. If you look at the list
of Yankees numbers that have been retired, it's pretty crazy.
And that's why you see some random numbers that players wear. Yeah,
twenty nine will.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Be retired pretty soon for the randers as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
There's some bitterness here. Five, five, six, four, fifty one
will always be isro Randy Johnson as a trader?

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Okay, all right, then you do you a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Couple of people comparing Randy Johnson to the Oklahoma City
thunder on honoring them here in Seattle, an individual player
who whatever he said, he knew he wasn't gonna get
paid here, so they moved him. They knew they were
going to pay him here. I mean it was just business.
Say it with griff I mean Griffy was forgiven, right, Yeah,
Griffy forced his way out of here, and many quit

(01:08:25):
when he came back. Yeah, and he's been forgiven. Why
can't you forgive Randy?

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
And like, I don't know the full story.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Again, I was very young, but from what I've heard
from multiple people that have inside knowledge of what would happened, Yes,
I don't think it came from a desire to be gone.
I think it came from the Mariners didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I think they were just at the point where the
relationship is over.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Yeah, it just was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
It was, it was just over. They weren't going to
pay him, They didn't want to pay him. They knew
they're gonna have to pay him, and in a way
they go a final one four, two five was Eric
Badar just ahead of his time by limiting his pitch count.
If you missed it earlier, we talked at Joe Sheen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Oh, that was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
By the way, in the in the world that we
live in now with baseball, with Major League Baseball and
pitch counts, and he wrote a story on at joshian
dot com. We were talking about just pitch counts and
we got into it with Randy and Andrews in the
middle of seven went back and looked up Randy Johnson's
pitch counts for just like one.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
Season, one season nineteen ninety so the first of the
three that he led the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Releast two over one fifty, yes, a bunch over one forty.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
It was just norm yeah yeah, now yeah, so you
know what, But Dard was a But Dard was ahead
of his time. Five innings or ninety nine pitches, whatever
comes first, I'm out of here. I'm done.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
As for coming punch of the clock, I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
It's funny because if you look at I saw that text,
and I was looking at Eric Badard's numbers, like in
terms of era a whip and all that stuff. His
best seasons right here in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
It's not that he wasn't good, No, it was just
an app yeah no, and he would tap out of games. Yeah,
on the same staff that had a guy named Felix
that you had to literally wrestle off the mount Yes,
so it was a little bit of a contrast.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
So the thing with Randy we mentioned this with the
number of retirement thing. This isn't a who was a
better player, it's who do you picture number fifty one being?
Because I think Randy is pretty significantly a better player
than Etro in terms of just his overall career. But
I yeah, I associate more and more more accolades or

(01:10:24):
more individual a wards.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Young, but I associate the fifty one there in News
Jersey with e Tro a little bit more. That's just me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
So anyway, last text over under our number of words.
Ian will get in on cross talks for the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
First his first day back. He's going to be energized,
ready to go. He's at the EQC. I don't I
know this, Let him go. I don't have the energy
for it, but we're gonna do it anyway. Next all
then he's back. He is back. Ladies and gentlemen, Am

(01:11:04):
I am I back?

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Is this me? Or is this a fact simille of me? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Wow, yeah wow.

Speaker 9 (01:11:10):
This is what happens when you're staying in a hotel
above a volcano. You lose your voice something in the air,
man fumes. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
What the hell is going on, fella?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
I told you man lost my voice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Well, welcome back, Welcome back to an audio medium called radio, sir.

Speaker 9 (01:11:26):
Yeah, this is not a good thing if you're doing radio.
Not a good thing to lose your voice. It's like
losing your feet if you're a track athlete.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Man doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I yeah, I gotta get out of here quick is
dick around? Where's he is?

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Right here? Need to stick around for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
By the way, No, I'm good. I'm good, And there's whe.

Speaker 9 (01:11:43):
Do you make the executive decision to vy and stick
around in case I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
I wish I had that executive power.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
I gotta tell you I have not had more honey
in my body in the last hour than I have
in the previous thirty five years.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Just a bumblebee.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Oh my god, dude, And I like honey. Who doesn't
want honey?

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
What the hell?

Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
But I mean, the the goal is the more I talk,
the better it sounds. See it's already sounding a little
better as we sit here on the ears.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I was gree I'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Greece was awful. I hated it. I wish we didn't
go Okay, good, No, I'm lying. It was phenomenal. You
getting how long? A couple of weeks? A couple of weeks?

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
I mean, you're going that far, you may as well
stay well, right the help? What's going to walla?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Walla? My friend?

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
They didn't kick they didn't kick you out. They didn't say, hey,
you know, we don't need.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Your You know what we had?

Speaker 9 (01:12:26):
Everything was fine, you know, no uh, no language barriers whatsoever.
A lot of Americans out there. We had a little
bit of a cruise, uh, kind of like a g
n C go around the island, see the sites type
thing cruise. And it was US and eight other Americans.
So no problem there, dinner's no problem. I did learn,
by the way, And maybe Andrews already knows this because
he's a world traveler, he is. Nobody tips besides Americans.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Wait, yeah, really, yeah, that's what I was told. Everywhere
we go.

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
Everywhere we went, they they looked at me and asked
for money because they knew that we were American. Nobody
tips the Chinese, the Australiallians, Koreans, Italians, Germans, but nobody
tips except for us.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Okay, I I vaguely remember that when the when the
Olympics came to Salt Lake. I remember I remember seeing
stories on the fact that the servers were all losing
their mind because you know all the do you believe it? Yeah, Like,
I'm just the guy had a bill for four hundred
bucks and he didn't tip me anything, and I'm like,
what the hell, So so did you tip?

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Of course?

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Okay, so you're still in the American tradition. Yeah, because
you're not. You're not the ugly American on there, going.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
To beet up or anything. Man, Holy cow.

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
Yeah, well, I mean get him, get him the cheap
a Medican left us with nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
But it was really fun. We had a great time.
It's a magical place.

Speaker 9 (01:13:35):
I was sitting there at the uh at the Parthenon,
the acropolist which you got to walk up a big hill,
the Acropolis, not the one important Oh okay, okay, I've
already made that joke on Instagram. No, no lamp dances
or steaks. But it was a phenomenal place and when
you're staring at you know theaters that are, you know,
three four thousand years old, and you can see the
seats these people used to sit, and they still have

(01:13:57):
shows and operas at some of these theaters in Greece
around the Acropolis. But I'm standing up on top of
this big plateau. You gotta walk up this hill to
get there, and I hear it go dogs And it
was just a big Husky fan who traveled out there
and recognized us and came over to stay he lo,
and then we bumped into again in the hotel in
San Rain.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
He's following us around.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
So has a time followed you because you said you
were going to greet Yeah, he probably.

Speaker 9 (01:14:20):
It was like a pilgrimage. Yeah, wherever Softy goes, this
guy goes. But had a great time. So, man, did
I miss anything around here since I was gone?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
How h it's been really quiet around here. Yeah, there's
nothing going on. Don't worry about it. Yeah, you've got
nothing to get caught up on it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
I tell you that, I'll tell you who wants me
to come back as Ray Polanco and he wants me
to go back on vacations came.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
A negative six w RC plus since May seven. Negative
Wait six since Softy left.

Speaker 9 (01:14:45):
Yes, no, No, he's hitting fifty three since I left,
not one fifty three, fifty three fifty three since you left, oh,
fifty three since I took off. So Ray Polaco should
be getting on his hands and knees and thanking God
that I returned to Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
But Ley wants me out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Testing second, even though he's hitting fifty three, So he's
in second.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
So if he rakes tonight right and drops an zero
for fortnight, yes, you're your guy. That both the guy
to blame and also to give credit for.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Absolutely it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Way the reverse Softy Jinks has been full effect at
that point.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
And I came back in time just to see the
Thunder win the NBA title. So that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Just try to ignore it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
You know what possible.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
I know what you're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Rip Howard Schultz's ass is what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
I like that.

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
That's the one guy that is really pissed off about
the Thunder making the NBA Finals, because when they make
the NBA Finals and they're this good, he gets mentioned
more times now than he ever does.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
That bastard, you you were his name the whole way
you're at the EQC, right, Yes, I'm Andrews. I'm going
to make an assumption here, and Softy tell me if
I'm right wrong at the EQC, at the sports book,
Thunder playing for the for the Championships. There's only one
way to make it okay for you better the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Thunder to win.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
Here's the problem though, and I made this bet about
a month and a half ago, so it's a little
bit different for me. You know what the odds are
right now for the Thunder with the NBA Finals, they're
minus seven hundred. God, you got to bet seven hundred
dollars to win one hundred bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Well, you know what, then then, you know what, go
just go ahead a lot, Howard, just go ahead and pacers,
go ahead and bet on the Pacers.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Yeah, and then lose my money and my mind. Great,
good idea. I've already lost my voice. May as well
make it three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Are you able to spit out what's on the show today?

Speaker 7 (01:16:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
That's a pretty bunch a sound.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Like at my bar mits.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
But now you know, Jerry Brewer is gonna join us
on the show today talk some Thunder Pacers a little
bit with him at four courtesy at Northwest Handling Systems.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Right there.

Speaker 9 (01:16:44):
He'll be on there with us at four o'clock starting
today every Thursday through the summer. Larry Stone's gonna join
us around six, and then John Wilner will hop around
five o'clock tonight. So yeah, lots to get caught up
on man, and we'll see if I can find my voice.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Between now, cretes. Why don't you I have a couple
of there's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
A cigarette in fifteen that's a lie. I had one drag.

Speaker 9 (01:17:03):
Off one smoke about two years ago and it made
me sick to my stomach. But outside of that, I
haven't had a full cigarette in fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Hey, mix in some vodka with that, honey, it'll help
you out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Oh God, already, already, already there, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
I'm already there. Good. Could you hear your back? Seeing?

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
But for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness, this
is paddle day saying so long everyone,

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