Furness Show 6-4: Jake Bobo, Hugh Millen, Jarran Reed.

Mariners lose game 1 to the Orioles, why is Jorge Polanco still playing?  Why are the Mariners so reliant on Home Runs   We hear from Jake Bobo talking about the new offense, the difference between offenses in the college and NFL, and more.   Daily Power Play and an update on the Storm situation.   Hugh Millen joins the show to talk about the intricacies in the new Klint Kubiak offense, the difference between Geno Smith and Sam Darnold, and more.   Seahawks DT Jarran Reed joins the show to talk about setting the tone for the season, being a leader among this young defense, and more.   Softy joins for cross talk.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We had our guy on the other day, Jake Bobot
at two thirty late in the show on Monday. We
went right from that to a break to Dick and
didn't have a chance to comment on it. And what
he was really really good talking about the new Clinton
Kubiak offense. We're going to replay that for you coming
up at one twenty and then discuss it at about
one thirty exactly what he says and because I think
there's a lot to that. Speaking of that, Hugh Millin's

(00:21):
going to join us coming up today at two o'clock,
little mini version of hardcore football. All right, So that's
all coming up on the show today. All right, let's
let's do this. Let me get into the Mariners because
we're only gonna have some time to spend on it today.
I got seven or eight minutes here to do that.
They lose yesterday to the Baltimore Orioles. They lose five

(00:43):
to one. Effectively, it was a five it was a
two or three to one game. He kind of gave
up some runs late, that's fine, but they got just
the one run on a solo home run by Rowdy
Les who as we're watching the game last night having dinner.
My wife says, is his name really Rowdy?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
And I said, yea, yes, yes it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
She goes, you know who.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Else named a kid rowdy? And I said no, And
she made some random reference to some person I'm supposed
to know that I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
He didn't remember it, obviously after thirty years of marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
And I said, you know who else named it? Roddy?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Roddy Piper's named it? No, she's like and she called
me an idiot. We moved on anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
The uh, just just a day in the life of
the internest.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's a day in the life of me. But they
lose five to one. This is the first time since
April twenty fifth they haven't been in first place.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Wow, in the American League West over a month now.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's not to the extreme that we saw last year
where they had a double digitally Jason Stark.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, thanks in the month of June. Let's bring that
back up, by the way, But.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
A three and a half pretty much a steady I
was looking back game by game that was pretty much
a steady three to three and a half, two two
and a half, three and a half game lead in
the ALE West for a while really over a month.
I got almost a month and a half, to be
honest with you, So they've let that slip away. They're
below five hundred in the last month plus, and scoring

(02:01):
runs is a challenge. It's a massive challenge. Listen, Baltimore's
got a good starting staff. But you know it was
referenced by Valley and Goldie yesterday not a great bullpen
in terms of numbers, doesn't even matter. You scored one
run on a solo home run. The positive Kirby wasn't great,
had a tough first inning, but settled down, like really

(02:22):
settled down. And I think the positive you take from
yesterday's game is Kirby was better.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
He looks better.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes, yes was way better.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, the thirty one pitch first inning not good.
But you know what, in a sense, I kind of
liked it because he just grinded after that.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Man, he just locked in after that. It was really good.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But the long and the short of it is they're
they're kind of starting to show a little bit more
who they are. The holes in the offense. If you
and I, you know, if Cal doesn't have a big
it's a great example. If Cal doesn't have a big game,
and doesn't carry the offense, and Julio doesn't carry the offense.
They're in trouble. Yes, And you know the craziest sat
and I'll let you jump in here. I noticed this

(03:03):
the last couple of that bats. And I think because
they've batted next to each other in the order last night,
Rowdy Teles and Randy Rose Raina have almost identical numbers.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's not good.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I mean no, because it's not like Teles is writing
like it's not like he's, you know, making a case.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
To be an All Star first Mason.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
No.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, if that was a case, you're like.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh, that's great. I mean, Randy's having a great year
on Rowdy Teles right now. Rowdy's just very pedestrian, and
Randy needs to get on a heater. I think it's
you know, Sarah's tells us every week that he expects
him to go hot at some point. Yeah, we're waiting.
We're waiting anytime. Yeah, because this pitching staff can't continue
to carry you because in unless your offense hits home runs,

(03:43):
you just don't have success.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, And it's like it's weird because I almost feel
we know that the offense is slightly at least slightly
better than it has been the last couple of years,
but the pitching staff has gotten worse. Uh, and not
just in terms of overall ability. It's it's with the
injuries and everything, and you your pitching staff can't carry
you to these victories like they have in years past.
So that's why I think there's an overwhelming sense of like,

(04:06):
uh oh, what's going to happen now? Because you don't
really have anything to rely on at this point. You
have Cal Rawley playing at an MVP level and that's
about it. You don't you definitely don't have the best
starting rotation in baseball right now with the guys that
are healthy, especially with George Kirby kind of still getting
back and Bryce Miller looking not like Bryce Miller, and
you still have Logan Gilbert injured. It's I don't know,

(04:29):
there's not really a lot to lean on with this
team right now. Julio hasn't really gotten going yet. I mean,
I know he's great defensively, but he's still is not
what I want to see in late game situations. Unfortunately,
saying with Randy or Rose Arena, I think they're just
a little too inconsistent, and Cal can't carry this entire offense.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
He just can't.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Can I give you a number that just is startling?
What is it? Two and thirteen?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Two and thirteen? What's that number?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
We're playing? We're playing jeopardy here. Two and thirteen. That's
the Mariner's record when they don't hit a home run.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Wow, Wow, that's that's it. Surprises me.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
They've they have only had fifteen games where they don't
hit a home run. I feel like there's but there's
been more. But I guess they they kind of lean
on the long ball.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Thirty and fourteen when they hit a home run this season,
and they're thirty two and twenty seven. So my math
tells me two and thirteen, two and thirteen. When they
don't hit a home run.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
They don't string hits or like good at bats together.
It's like it's all.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
More importantly, like take take the record out, just say, look,
thirty of thirty two wins have come when they've hit
a home run. Yeah, they have two wins this season
when they don't hit a home run. Like, that's not sustainable. Now,
because Col's on this epic record pace, Roger Merris beware.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, like Aaron Judge, beware.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Aaron Judge, beware. Sho hey o Tani beware. But know,
he's not going to hit sixty five home runs this season.
I think he was on pace at one point for ninety.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know. Yeah, so he's not going to hit that
fifty maybe, yeah, but but.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
God he if he hits fifty, they'll probably make the playoffs.
If he doesn't, he they may not. It might be
that simple when we start breaking it all down two
and thirteen, when they don't hit a home run. Yeah,
so if they hit a home run, you're in prett
good shape because they've won thirty you.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Know him last night and lost.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, so I mean think about that. That's that's one
of the few times this season.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, true, but this one solo.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Home run probably won't carry your offense. I just it's
I'm just frustrated by them right now. I think a
lot of people are, because you know, I heard I
heard faint and Softy sort of heard Softy.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yet it couldn't really kind of hurt him a.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Little bit yesterday, you know, talking about trade deadline and softieism.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Let these guys off the hook. Don't think him's not
off the hook.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think that the frustration is I think fame brought
it up, is that, you know what, what didn't happen
in the off season, truly improving the offense is really
starting to hurt this team. I mean the Polanco thing, God,
it was cool. Started at the story at the start
of the season. He's falling off the cliff.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
He is worse than twenty twenty four Planco right now,
which is saying something.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
In overall or just in the last month and a.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Half, last month and a half, like the player he
is right now is worse than the twenty twenty four
or hey Planco. Yeah, he had one of the worst
offensive seasons that a Mariner has ever had.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
In the month of May.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, let me just say that's just saying something.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Let me just say, as someone who spent earlier, the
earlier part of the week, I think you did the
same thing. Looking at the nineties Mariners when Randy first
got here. God to say what you just said, Yes,
that's pretty epically bad.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
And he's still hitting in your tool. Put him on
the il. Put people been down in the lineup.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Something I don't I don't lose my mind too often
over you know, batting order in lineup. But I think
last night, when you've had Cal have success hitting second.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
And you don't guarantee him an a bad in the
first inning of the game and.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
You know, high leverage situation in the later latter stages.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, did that last night explains why for all those
people that think the highest leverage hitter is the cleanup guy,
that's no, that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's the it's the one, two and three hitters.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
And that was that was on full display.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes it was last night.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
But go get go, get one tonight, get one tomorrow,
and you win the series and you go what would
be five and four on the homestand I think if
they do.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That, yeah, if they win two more, I'm and you
mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I don't like that. I'll be honest with you. Five
and four on this homestand's not good enough. But it's
what you can do right now, and you better get
to that.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Well when it feels like the sky's falling a little bit,
like it kind of has the past couple of weeks
since the San Diego series, and he's go in the
five and four homestand I think that's kind of what.
You just have to weather the storm right now until
you get Logan back, until you figure out a way
to get some more offense. Man, I think Harry four
needs to be on this team. Like, it's just it's
just it needs to happen.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
I agree, All.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Right, we'll take a break, we'll come back. Jake Bobo,
what does the new offense look like? How is it
going through the like?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Is?

Speaker 1 (09:02):
What is it about this new offense that he likes
and the new coaching staff on the offensive side. Always
fun to talk to. Jake Bobo coming up next.

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Speaker 1 (09:33):
All right, welcome back in Sports Radio ninety three point
three k FM. Me infronts with you. We're at the
Virginia Mason Athletics Center. Still to come, Hugh Millen in
the two o'clock hour, little mini hardcore football. We're gonna
talk a little bit about what you're gonna hear next.
And that's Jake Bobo from Monday we had him at
the very end of the show. Didn't get a chance
to react, but I want to react on the other side.
Here in a few minutes after you hear Seahawk's third
year wide receiver Jake Bobo talked about the new offense

(09:54):
and what's going on with that, how different it looks.
And then I'm gonna have Hugh Millen, who has listened
to this interview, kind of break get down and give
you the fans a little feel as to.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
What you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
What are the nuances of this new offense and what
are how different will it look from what you've seen before.
That's coming up at two. I think you're really going
to enjoy this. But the meantime, Jake Bobo on Monday,
right at the end of the show, didn't get a
chance to react, but boy he's enthused, as you can
hear in just a second about the new offense. And
he joined me here in our little studio at the
Virginia Mason Netfletic Center.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
How are you. I'm good.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, hell's football practice in June treating you? Oh,
football practice in June in Seattle is incredible. Yeah, it
is incredible. What was it seventy out there today.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, it's perfect. No, not a cloud in the sky.
So it was great, man, it was good to get
out there, for sure. You're three year three? Ah, yes,
did you get to this point? Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
No.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
You can say a lot of stuff at sports radio. Yeah, yeah, correct,
I forget what I'm talking to. I mean I have
to say.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Yes, yeah, but my mindset is just you know, a
lot of gratitude. Thanks for the organization, thankful for these
guys in the locker room for having me along. And
now it's time to go. I guess we're hitting your three,
so we gotta go win some.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Games your three. But offensive coordinator free as well.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Correct correct, correct, which makes things interesting.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, sorry, are you transferred in college? Yeah? Right, exactly,
I've done this before.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Let's go through that. Uh klint Kubiak, Yeah. Tell us
about him?

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Uh well, first of all, great guy. First thing I
noticed about him first offensive unit meeting. You know, takes
control of the room, but also as a guy that
you know, wants to have conversations with you outside the
outside the meeting room, ask how you're doing, how the
family's doing. See him in here all the time with
his family, with his kids, So great, dude, And then
it also helps.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
That his scheme is incredible.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
You know, hopefully he doesn't hear me saying this, but
it's so fun to be in in this scheme and
some of the stuff he's doing with mix it in,
you know, run game and some of the play action
stuff that really just gets you open without having to
do a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
You're not having to win a one on one battle.
Thiscessarily correct. I mean, now, every once in.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
A while, you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah,
but most of the time he's scheming things up. I mean,
we're we're in day four and he's he's already scheming
things up to where we can just kind of be
in the right spot and there's nobody around you.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I always hesitate to ask questions like this, but
your third year vote, bro, you know how to do this. Yeah,
I'm not asking you to rip on the previous staff
of Well, what I am asking is this when you say, hey,
we're only in day four. I remember a year ago
you had basically an entire new staff, defense, offense, head
coach and everything. Yeah, second year head coach, but a
new offensive staff. I'm hearing in your voice a thought

(12:30):
that tell me if I'm I and your moron. But
it feels like you guys.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
You know, I know.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Behind you just least the Are you guys ahead like
of where you were last year? Just because this guy's
the experience he's got in the NFL. It's a different
deal guy coming out of college coming into the NFL.
Are you ahead of where you were a year ago?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:49):
I don't know, Ahead, if that's the right term. We've
got different people all over the place. So we've got,
you know, a new guy calling the place, new people
in their saving room who've been around the league for
long time. And so you know, we're frizz is still here,
coach coach Jackson uh is still coaching the receiver. So
we've got some comfort there and you know, some relationship there.

(13:11):
I don't know, Ahead, it just seems a little more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like you said, there's.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
A difference between playing in the NFL and playing in college.
Probably difference between coaching and the NFL coaching in college.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Now you're when if you're asking me what that difference is,
you're asking the wrong guy. I mean, there's obviously differences
I don't really know what they are, to be honest
with you. Obviously you want to score a million points
in college football, but uh, a lot of points.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
A lot of points.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
Yeah, man, I mean it's been good so far. You know,
we've seen. The cool part is you watch other teams
do this stuff. Sure, so we watched San Fran come
up here and and and do it to us last year,
and we watched you know, we'll watch New Orleans on
tape and we'll watch Minnesota do a lot of the
same stuff. And so it's cool to be able to
come up here and now now that Coops is up

(14:02):
here actually run the stuff that we saw other teams doing,
and you know, you'd say, on the sideline, that's a
that's a cool concept.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
They just ran.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It felt like last year when I talked to you
for at the same time, maybe we said hey, you said, hey,
you know they want to stretch the field, stretch the field,
stretch the field, Which is that sounds great?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's a Colors thing, though it may not work in
the NFL because dudes like get to the quarterback quick right,
guys can cover quicker right.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
This this feels like more of an NFL style offense.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
Yeah, I mean when you think of yeah NFL style,
this is it.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
West Coast. I saw some my formation style. Yeah, we
were gonna get.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Under center and we're gonna have some formation.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean, we're gonna have something.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
We're gonna have a lot of thirt teamers an hour
and how we're we're gonna have different stuff to throw
it throw out defenses. But I think that's good because
with the defense that that that Mike's building, I mean,
going against it every day last year and then even
the first four days this year, we're gonna have to
lean on those guys. I mean, that's a that's that's
an incredible defense they have over there on the side
of the ball. And so if we do what we

(14:58):
need to do, and and you know, I don't want
to just spit ball in here, but I think you know,
Mike wants defenses to win games, and obviously you got
to score points to win games.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Control defense, babe, right, And that's what that's what it
is in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Obviously I'm only three in, but you see teams in
the Super Bowl, that's what they're doing every year. They're
holding the ball and they're winning games thirteen to seven,
fourteen to ten, suor whatever it is. And so we
got to do our part and lean on defense and
go out and and win more games than we did
last year.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Jake Bobo with me and for Neess with you at
Seahawks Virginia Mason Athletics Center.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You mentioned the receiver room. Yeah, Cooper cup rolls in there.
Tell me about this guy. I mean, he's a different cat.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
He's the best first of all, Like, first day he's in,
he's you know, I get a text, I got, you know,
blah blahm. I'll be in here early, just getting some
foot work stuff in if you want to join me.
And that's that, you know, that's the kind of guy
he is. On day one, he's he's having guys come
in and and Jackson is in there with us, and
and a lot of guys were just you know.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Go back here nine years in all pro. Yeah, I
mean MVP. He's like, all right, I'm gonna be here
early working on footwork.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
It was this man hell whenever we reported whenever that
was and and he was in here and and that
kind of set the tone, right, He's the he's the
tone setter in that room, and and like you said,
guy have been m v p uh nine years in
the league, and can you know has been everywhere run
every route has one it's on a game. So it's
it's really cool to have him in the room and

(16:25):
in that leadership. You know, that's no no shot at
guys who were here last year. You know, I'm missing
love those guys. But you know, there's different types of leaderships,
and he's got a different style with him. You talk
about Quez m vs UH coming into being an older guy,
being a vet, just a calm, cool, collected individual. Knows
what he's doing, knows how to do it again, knows

(16:47):
how to win games. And so it's it's cool having
those guys in the room and and being able to
live on lean on them, lean on Frizz And then
you know, you throw the you throw Jackson net mix
as well, and it gets gets dicey quickly.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, are there like the thirteen personnel, A lot of
tight ends, I formation things like that. Still enough for
you guys as receivers out there.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, we'll be just fine, especially you know it don't
know who's in the game, Coop Jack's Nbas whoever it is.
I mean Yeah, we'll be we'll be just fine. You know,
we're we'll win a lot of games and guys will
get to touch as they need and and and that's
all we need right there.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Jake, you got here on this. You made this roster
for a lot of reasons, but one of it is
your physical play, special teams things like that, but also blocking. Yeah,
this offense your position. Yeah you got a block, dude.
Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta like that. Oh, it's gonna
be fine.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
I mean we're already we're not in pads or anything,
and we're going into safeties and you know, we gotta
be careful because we.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Don't have pad on and so, uh, we doesn't like that.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
They know we've gotten that speech. So so we're being careful, Pa,
in case you're listening. But I mean, it's gonna be
a lot of fun, just in the scheme and some
of the run game stuff and doing uh you know
what I like to do, which is to get in
there with the with the big boys and.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Get dirty, get dirty.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Yeah after it, just get after and Spring Sharps and
Spring Canaan and Kenny and whoever's back there toning the rock,
get him in the endzone, so it'll be fun. Your
mom was a hockey player, Well she was. She's to
sucker exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's what it is. I do hockey most of the time.
It says, that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Okay, all right, before I let you go Sam Darnold
and Drew Locke comes back, you had two years ago. Man,
before I go to Sam. Yeah, they John Schnunder has
done this before. He's brought guys back that you know
in in roles that maybe they're not a primary role,
but there's a reason he brings guys back.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Correct. Why do you think from a player's perspective, you
brought Drew locked back?

Speaker 7 (18:37):
Well, I mean, first of all, guy can sling it,
and obviously Samy d is going to be our primary option.
Knock on wood. You know, Drew has to go in
the game. He's gonna be just fine, and and that's
the cool part. But then the other thing is, and
this is what you were talking about, is you walk
in that locker room and there's a difference when when
two is in there. And and again hopefully he's not

(18:58):
listening to this because I mean, but he's just the man.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Everybody loves him.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
Yeah, if he got to have that backup quarterback. Yeah, yeah,
it's weird. I don't know what it is, but he
correct and just a guy that everybody trusts, everybody loves,
everybody knows can get it done. And so what his
his name is called, whether it is or he's gonna
be ready to go. And and he's a guy that
we love having in that locker room for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I calmed Sam Donald, you call him Sammy d Tell
me about tell your experience with him so far.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Oh, he's the best, a lot like Coop who you know,
like we talked about, being a guy who's in here
doing things you wouldn't necessarily expect a nine year former
MVP EVET to do. And and Sam's one of those
guys where you know, we're getting texts and help, we're
getting calls early and O T A s and and
right when we reported to you know, get our tails

(19:47):
in there and we're gonna get to work. And he's
one of those guys that he's gonna put his head
down and get to work as well. But the other
thing too, is he's gonna connect with guys as well.
And he's he's a great dude. Like Drew, we talked
about some with Drew. He's a guy that everybody loves.
Everybody was when he steps in the huddle, it's it's
his huddle. And then like you know, I don't know
if you got there, you got out there to see
any of that stuff today.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
But again.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I saw a couple of throws today that we're just going, yeah,
like wild kind of throws and everything.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So hey, it's just a start though, right, just to
start day four. Yeah, feeling good, feeling great. There you go.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's Jake Bobo, Seahawk wide receiver, third year wide receiver.
A couple things jumped out about that interview we did
on Monday that I wanted to kind of touch in on,
and Humilin is going to join us at two today.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I can't wait for that.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, we'll break it down a little hardcore football in June.
First of all, do you have the clip I asked for?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yes, I do this.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Let me just get to this, I I we shouldn't
have to play this.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
We shouldn't have to play this.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
The fact that was even turned into a story on
the Seattle Times because the other station decided to just
fans want to know. I love when people ask questions
like not me, but fans want to know own it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
You're the one asking it.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I'm very hesitant because we're we're all cognizant about, you know,
chirping at other media people. But boyl boy, guys, I
fear for our business sometimes, I really do. Like we're
worrying about a quarterback throwing an interception on June second
or two in OTA's Hugh will tell us why that's

(21:27):
the dumbest thing in the world. But if Mike McDonald
doesn't have to tell you who the starting quarterback, Jake
bobbo will.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
First of all, I can sling it. And obviously Samy
d is going to be our primary option. Knock on wood.
You know, Drew has to go in the game. He's
gonna be just fine.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Boom, Yeah, Drew Lockes the backup. Yeah, and Sammy d
is the starter. Okay, So I'm gonna move on from that.
I just I don't know what little things, well, little
things bother me, and I just I just don't like
sometimes in our business where people want to do stuff
just for like, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It is, Well, it gives us a bad name, right.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
It just gives everybody in the media bad name.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes, like there's just there's just like we all I
say this on a daily basis doing a live radio,
live TV rare that I don't come out of there
going kind of wish I wouldn't have said that. But
don't be stupid and ask questions about like who the
starting quarterback is. There's no Let me just emphasize this again.
This is not Matt Flynn, Russell Wilson, all right, Like,

(22:27):
this is not because I think the insinuation might have
been Milroll gonna take Milroe. If we want to just
go by snap counts, there's no doubt Milroe is number three. None,
He's number three. Now we're watching O tas anything they're
doing with a package with him, like a specialty package,
which we will see this year. You know, whether it
be you know, red zone, third and short. It's not

(22:49):
gonna be a push push or whatever you want to
call it, the Eagles push.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Whatever I want to do it, it's not gonna be that.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
But if we want to Milroe, they have said we'll
be in some packages the primary backup quarter That doesn't
mean him the primary backup. The primary backup is Drew Locke,
but Milroe will be in the mix to do, so
we're not going to see that stuff here. I guarantee
you they have a whole bunch of OTAs that aren't
open to us. That's when they're gonna be doing that stuff.
But Milroe gets thirteam snaps, which means you get very

(23:14):
few snaps in the red zone seven on seven, eleven
on eleven drills. There's no question who the starting quarterback
is it Sam Donald. We can debate whether or not
Sam Donald's gonna work, and we all might have our opinions.
I'm sure Hugh has some. We'll talk about that at
two o'clock. But is that the case?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
No, come on, I think more importantly what Bobo was saying,
is this offense it, for lack of a better term, NDErs.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm gonna use this. Okay, it's an NFL offense. It's
an NFLF.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Wait a second, really, it's I thought.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
What Jake said was really interesting, you know, coming out
of you know, Chip Kelly's offense at UCLA and then
at Duke to finish off his career. Yeah, we're just
trying to outscore everybody, or score blank number of points, right,
a blank ton of points, because that's what you do
in college unless you are say Michigan and Jim Harbaugh
or guys like that. You're just trying to you know,

(24:10):
we're just out. It's the Mike Leech world, right, Well,
you we're gonna you score forty We're gonna score forty five.
That's not the case. In the NFL. Is not what
Mike McDonald wants to do. They want to control the football.
They want to they want to have a two running
back set. Oftentimes they have two fullbacks on the roster.
They legitimately haven't had a fullback on the roster unless
you want to count Nick Bulore. But Nick Bolore his

(24:32):
offensive snap count was below ten his last three.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Years here in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
So like, if you want to say, like they really
haven't had a fullback since Michael Robinson. And by the way,
when they had Michael Robinson and they had a fullback,
that's a pretty good offense.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, mistaken it was. You know, Mike robb was a
pretty good fullback.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Didn't look like the prototypic it didn't look like us
check and these guys are ouse and he's like, he
didn't look like that. But Mike was a fullback. That
was that was his listed position, they're gonna try to
run the football. Well, they're gonna do some things differently
on the offensive side, which will break down in a second.
The defense, it's just so far ahead of things right
now because they frankly had a whole year under Mike
McDonald and his staff and Adam Drdey, who's the defensive coordinator.

(25:12):
They had a year and of those guys, so they
know what they're doing on defense. On offense, you're starting
from scratch again. But a guy in Sam Darnold who
has familiarity with that offensive scheme because he was in
San Francisco under that same scheme, it's a perfect fit.
It's a perfect fit here. We again don't know today

(25:33):
if not if it's gonna work. We don't know if
if Cooper Cup stays healthy and Jackson Smith stays healthy.
I don't have the same concerns about the wide receiver
corps that I think some people have, only because they
only gonna employ two wide receivers a good chunk of
the time. He was gonna explain that at two o'clock. Now,

(25:54):
if those guys get hurt, sure there's big issues to
worry about, right, big issues. But if I'm sitting in
on a Minnesota and to say, damn, Justin Jefferson gets hurt,
we're in trouble. Well, of course, thanks tips if you're
in now. Cooper Cup has a longer history of injuries
the last couple of years. I'd fully acknowledge that. But
there's you go through the whole league. What if Jamar

(26:15):
Chase gets hurt in Cincinnati. Yeah, they got a couple
other decent weapons, but he's the man like he's he
is the aircraft carrier of wide receivers at that offense
for Joe Burrow. Right, so we understand how it works.
It's pretty simple. You can't lose key guys to injuries.
We all know that. And Cooper Cup is a key guy.
And they did take a risk on getting Cooper Cup
here because he has had an injury history the last

(26:36):
two years. He's thirty two years old. He looks awesome,
like he looks phenomenal in terms of I mean, this
guy hasn't missed a day in the weight room.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Okay, you just and you just heard Cooper or you
just heard Jake Bobo talk about that. Yeah, right, that
work ethic this guy has. He is a damn all pro.
He's a potential future Hall of Famer, and he's he's
in here every morning we're doing footwork. Cooper Cup doesn't
need to do. He does, he doesn't need to, but
he is. Yeah, I I I'm jacked because every time

(27:05):
the Seahawks played the Rams the last few.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Years, you're scared of him.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Scared to death, Yeah, seriously scared to death in this guy.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
And like when he was hurt, it was like that
sucks your hurt, but good.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, exactly. No, it's true.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
It's like, you know, anytime your team plays a good
team in any sport, it's like, damn man, we're playing
the Oilers tonight.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
McDavid's out. Oh that's too bad. Gay trices out. Oh
that's too bad.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
Good, too bad.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, let's see you're let's see you're playing the Yankees
Aaron Judges on the I l oh bummer.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Or when you're playing the Astros and yard on. Alvarez
isn't going against you, darn it, darnet.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
And they're not the same team without him, of course, exactly.
But we'll break it all down.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Some good stuff there with with with Jake Bobo, j
Jared Reid's gonna join us at two thirty today and
we'll hear from Hugh Millen coming up at two pm.
He'll break down hardcore style what this offense is all about.
He listened to with Jake Bubble had to say. He'll
react to that as well. We'll talk about quarterback interceptions
and O t as all that. Coming up On nine
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Speaker 2 (28:59):
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Speaker 4 (29:02):
I would have a lot of faith faith in Florida,
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seven games over the last three seasons, the Oilers and
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back to back as well in the finals. I mean,
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player in the game. He has not won a Stanley

(30:11):
Cup yet and that will weigh on him forever and
ever and ever. It's until he gets it, and until
he gets it.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I'd love that to keep weighing through next year.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Both goaltenders were good in the in the in the
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the conference.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Finals, Lebrowski has a little bit more of the been
they're done that factor.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Well, yes, I would say.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
The other thing with the two goalies is both have
the ability to win a game and both have the
ability to get yanked.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah that's good. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Like like the consistency is not always there. If Bob's
game is on, he's better.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
One of the league.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, he's better if his game is on.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So Game one tonight, five o'clock, our guy Edi Oulchek
on the call on TNT, And if you're listening on
the radio here in KJR, I believe Johnny FORDSLN will
be on call as well. So two guys that were
voted by Awful Announcing is the second best booth in
the National Hockey League, while J. T.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Brown, I didn't see an Ian Fness mention in there.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Did you also notice it was some some jackass that
does this media blog.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
I got it sent to me too. Oh what is
no mention to Ian?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It was the damn play by play and color guy.
I went through the story. I'm curious with whateverybody said
about the other teams in the league. And guess what,
no other studio host was mentioned there.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Wayney to Wayne.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
They did give Alison Luke and some love an analyst.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
She's an analyst and she's damn good.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
She's really good.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
She's really good, but she's an analyst. Nowhere else did
I see? Well, the Vegas gold Knights studio host. But
this guy, if somebody.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Sent this, I love with Billy, I think was trying
to give you some love.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Look at this you and nobody meant.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
They didn't mention you.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'm not calling the games anyway.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, did you get me going? I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
all right, let me.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Let me read this.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
So Christina, I gotta get her name right here. Christina
Williams is the women's basketball reporter for iHeart Radio. That's
our company.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, I Heart Women's Sports.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
She has is reporting as is Connor say Connor's name
for from the Emerald City Spectrum area. Job by the way, yeah,
well everybody General City Spectrum does you guys are fantask you?

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Thanks you a great job.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
They're both reporting this that the Seattle storm have two
things going on right now. One their center, their Chinese
center who plays the China Chinese national team. And I
can't pronounce her name. I'll be I don't want to,
butcher it. Do you want to take a shot at it?

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I think it's.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Came from La She has requested a trade that comes.
I don't know what the chrono the order was. Was
it first and then the investigation?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It was that first, But I think that they are related.
Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
The investigator, for the second time in seven months, the
Stormer be investigated. The first time, they did an internal
investigation and shockingly found no wrongdoing. This interesting this time around.
The investigation is being done by the w NBA and
w NBA security into coaching staff, how players are treated. Listen,

(33:21):
unless we're in that room, we don't know, but I
think we can all assume something there is an issue.
Jewel Lloyd wanted out.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yes, Jewel Lloyd.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
She may not be superd, but Jewel Lloyd was a
cornerstone piece to your franchise.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
She wanted out.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
She didn't say trade me to Chicago where I'm from. Now,
I just want out. Jewel Lloyd is an all w
NBA player, a national team member for Team USA, an
absolute horse of a player, thoroughbred. She carries a team,
She can carry a team on a given night, and
she wanted out. Investigation we find nothing. The young lady

(34:04):
that plays in the Chinese national team, there's some things,
you know, playing time and all that. In her minutes
she had six minutes yesterday, play had six points. By
the way, same as the rookie from France who actually
had nineteen or have more minutes, but the same amount
of points. Right, they're both six seven. You would think
you could find a place for them. Bull on the floor,
You think you could find a better rotation. But I
just worth keeping an eye on what the hell is

(34:26):
going on with the storm. I blame Dick Fane. I
think it's one hundred percent in his fault because nothing
screams bowling in intimidation like Dick Fane.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, definitely, he's that guy being facetious because this is
a serious matter.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
But yeah, yeah, I just listen.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
You want to do an internal investigation if it comes
up and then all of a sudden a few months
later that the league has to get involved. You've got
a problem. And whether that's Nicole the coach or whatever
it is, I think you can look to certain players
on that roster that are kind of the alphas in
the room and wonder if there's a problem there. This
franchise is four and four. They're lucky to be four

(35:02):
and four. They probably if Paige Becker's plays last night,
they probably lose. They trailed most that game, they were
able to find a way to win at the end
because the best player was out and the one overall pick.
They're broken. And more importantly, I think if you're a fan,
you should be concerned about what's going on with your
organization because something isn't right in Stormville.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
All right, we'll take a break.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Hugh millon Hugh Breed Love millon Hardcore Football, and then
Jared Reid right after that.

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Speaker 1 (35:45):
Hi, welcome back in Sports Day nine three point three KJRFM.
We are an hour number two of the radio show
here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Seahawks Open. Let
me emphasize something. Open OTA number two, not ot A
number two. Open ot A number two. So while some
might want to make a big deal of one practice

(36:07):
they saw a quarterback throw a couple of interceptions one
time in June in an ot A, I can just
emphasize again, this is only the second time that we
in the media have laid eyes on these guys. I
think that's important context. We talked about that earlier. Hi,
Hume Ellen, how are you?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah, that's that. That gives me a chuckle. But god,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
What are we doing, Hugh? What are we doing?

Speaker 6 (36:32):
Well?

Speaker 9 (36:33):
A thing to note, you know, usually this is a
an axiom, a truism about mini camp football. The offense.
Just by the nature of offensive football, you're you have
a far less percentage of your menu installed now compared
to the defense. For example, you on day one you

(36:56):
install why stick? All right, that's the ubiquitous you know,
the tight end and the number three receiver might be
a wide receiver, but the tight end goes down five
six yards out and then there's a there's a deep
control either from the slot or the widest receiver, and
then there's another guy in the flat.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
So it creates kind of a triangle. Read.

Speaker 9 (37:12):
It's a very ubiquitous concept in both college and in
the NFL. Like every team installs that. And so you'll
install it with in a certain formation and maybe attached
to a certain motion, and you'll show it in seven
on seven and then the defense is, oh, okay in
this formation, Oh they're gonna run why stick on? You know,

(37:34):
maybe there's only a couple plays they're ready for, and
then and then they start to see why stick and
then they jump why stick? Well, then, you know, depending
on the urgency of the offensive coordinator how it ticked off,
he might be that either the next day or next week,
at some point he's gonna install stick nod, which is
like a little out and up inside out and up
by the tight end going down the middle. And so

(37:55):
if the middle linebacker wants to jump that stick, well,
the stick nod is the compliment to it. So what
frequently happens is is, you know, the defense does all
the barking and woofing and yeah, and you know they
punt the football straight up in the air after they
pick a ball off and what have you, and the
offense just kind of rolls their eyes and then you
install stick not and then you you zing them for

(38:15):
a touchdown. And now it's the offense goes, ahh oh,
you jumped on that stick, didn't you. You know, I
mean I could give many examples. You could go slant
and slugo and and and other running plays and and
misdirection running plays that compliment so so and so that's
one facet. And then the other facet it would be

(38:37):
that sometimes you're encouraged to kind of like push the
envelope of the read, like, hey, what can I get
away with on this read from this formation? And you're
you know, you're not as deterred by the specter of
interception because you want to find out just exactly, uh,
you know, the lengths that you can push. So at

(38:59):
an event, it's it's meaningless. You thank you and so
on you thank you. And Mike McDonald agrees with you.
By the way, I don't even know. I'm just sometimes
shaking my head at our business. Okay, let me, uh,
let me move on.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Let me.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
We had Jake Bobo on earlier, and we had him
on Monday late in the show and replayed it just
a little while ago in the first hour of the show,
and I wanted to do so just because we don't
get a chance much to discuss what he said. I
like talking to Hugh. I'm a little different maybe than
some guys. I want to talk to guys at talk
you know, that will tell me something and give me
some insight. I thought Bobo was really fun to talk
to you in terms of the new offense, includ Kubiak
comparing it to San Francisco and New Orleans stuff they'd

(39:36):
seen before.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
He wouldn't go as so far as to say they
are ahead of where they were a year ago, but
I kind of got that impression by talking just it's
it's a different vibe. And listen, I am not here
to disparage Ryan Grubbs got huffing those guys, and there's
a couple of offensive holdovers from the assists from the
assistants last year.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
It just it.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's a different world, and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
And for whatever reason, maybe just the chemistry between McDonald
didn't grub. It didn't work, and so they move on
and they bring in Clint Kubiak. Let me and this
is kind of a mini hardcore football segment for everybody.
But you know, I've been listening and watching and hearing
a lot, so I wanted to get you on today, Hugh.
Can you give our listeners Seahawk fans when they're coming

(40:16):
out in July to watch training camp, preseason games, or
even the regular season, what are the nuances of the
Kubiak offense that you are going to see that we
are going to see that will make sense to the
average football viewer.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
Well, I've got four attributes that we can maybe focus upon,
and I'll just go sequencally, you know, in the order
of a play, so personnel, that's something you can assess
in the huddle right or near the line of scrimmage
before the balls even snapped. So when I try and say, okay,
these are attributes, this is how I'm deciphering it. Clint

(40:52):
Kubiak was the offensive coordinator at New Orleans last year,
but they had significant injuries to both their starting receivers,
Lave and Rashid Shaheed, so I'm always you know, it's
kind of parenthetical. Yeah, but right, So then I look
at at his performance at Minnesota in twenty twenty one
and when he was the offensive coordinator, and then I

(41:14):
also give a a keen look to the forty nine
ers he was the passing game coordinator a couple of
years ago. For Brock Purdy, the friendship between the Kubiak
family and the Shanahan family is real. I played, you know,
with with with both of them, So that's kind of
how I interpret. So let's say, for example, two plus

(41:36):
tight ends. The Saints last year were number one in
the NFL in their in their percentage at forty seven
point seven percent number one. The Seahawks, by the way,
were twenty fourth. But then you go to Minnesota in
twenty twenty one and the Vikings were twenty third, So
you don't really get much of a picture there. That's

(41:57):
a little bit of ambiguity. Right Then you go to
three plus wide receivers. Most teams the NFL is a
is a three receiver league, and you know, even just
eleven personnel, which is one running back, one tight end
with three receivers. The average is sixty one percent of
all plays are from just that that figure alone eleven percent.

(42:20):
Next closest is twelve percent, which is one running back,
two tight ends, and that's a twenty two percent. So
first place is sixty one percent. Second place is twenty
two percent. So three plus receivers. Let me get back
to that point. The Saints were thirty first in the
league last year and the Seahawks were third. The Saints
being thirty first kind of coordinates with the Vikings from

(42:43):
a few years ago being twenty fifth, So now we're
kind of onto something that you're not seeing much three
receivers relative to other teams, and then carrying over with
that last year, the Saints two running backs, So think
of like the I from just having a full back, right,
the forty nine ers are far and away number one

(43:04):
because they have Kyle Yusteff Right. So last year the
Saints were fifth, a few years ago, the Vikings were fourth,
and the Seas were twenty third last year. So now
now we start to see, you know, a little bit
of a shape taking hold for personnel in that regard ian.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Okay, that's the first attribute. What's number?

Speaker 9 (43:22):
Yeah, okay, under center. Last year the Saints were under
center the fifth highest propensity. The Seaks were twenty fifth,
but when Derek Carr was healthy, they were under centered
the third highest. And that fits with what the Vikings
were in twenty twenty one. The Vikings were second. So

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and the playoftion can be more deceptive, So under center
is going to be the second attribute.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Okay, So Humil joining us a little mini version of
hardcore football and new Seahawk offense.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
We talked about it with Jake Bobo. You heard it earlier.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
If you missed it, podcast is up. You can listen
to that. All right, So let's go to number three,
the third or four attributes that you really kind of
see that jump out.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
All right, So now you're at now again sequentially as
you watch it, formations the tree of the Shanahan and
Sean McVay and I put Clint Kubiak in that they
like to have condensed formations. And how is that defined.
That's where the widest receiver on both sides of the

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formation are aligned inside the numbers. So the inside edge
of the numbers is fourteen yards from the sideline. So
just think this you got squeeze formation. That could be
three by one, that could be empty, that could be
two back. It's just that all eleven players are aligned
inside the numbers. That can cause problems for the offense.

(44:49):
First of all, there's what's called a divider rule for
a cornerback. If you're a cornerback, you would say, okay,
if you line up that far inside, now I'm not
going to play you head up. I'm going to play
you outside leverage. And so if you're outside leverage, then
you're susceptible to crossing routes. If you're in any kind
of man coverage, you better chase like hell to on

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a crossing route. Then the other part of it is
is it allows for what's called spray releases as opposed
to going straight up the field perpendicular to the line
of scrimmage. You can buy those condensed formations. You can
have a slightly widening. You're going vertical, but you're also
going ever so slightly at an angle towards the sideline. Well,

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now the cornerback he's got to kick his feet and
he's back played pedaling in a way like, okay, are
you trying to widen me? Because you're trying to break
back inside on an inbreaking route to create more space,
or are you trying to widen me to get outside
leverage on me so that you have all that grass,
all that grass towards the sideline because you already aligned

(45:54):
up so far from the sideline. So the formations that
and then you from those formations, you can get receivers
involved in the blocking game, not just against corners, but
they can come down. You had Bobo on yesterday, Bobo coming,
you know, get the bigger receivers. They they're blocking, not corners,

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but they're lined close to the ball. So now they're
in a position where they can get the safety and
force the corner to have to to to make the tackle.
So the condensed formations, the Saints last year, they were
sixth of all plays. They were sixth in the NFL

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in condensed formations, the Seahawks were twenty first. Now, if
you go to first and second down, where you're more
likely to be running, the Saints were fifty one percent
of the time in condensed formations, that was number two
in the NFL. The Seahawks were twenty fifth in the NFL.
So what you watched a year ago again ranking twenty
fifth in terms of condensed. Now you're gonna see a

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lot more squeeze formations. The Saints again second in the
NFL in that regard, So that that that's gonna be
a key attribute. We'll talk through hardcore football about how
that impacts a lot of schemes. But I just glossed
over some of the facets of condensed from moritions. But
you're certainly going to see that.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And there's a fourth one. What's your fourth thing? Sequence
wide zone, wide zoning, yep, yep. So the outside zone stretch.
These are all plays synonymous. Last year, the Saints they
were of all running plays to running backs forty two
and a half percent, we're outside zone. That was third
in the NFL. By the way, the forty nine ers

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were second, and the Seahawks they were at under seventeen percent.
They were twenty four. So you go from twenty fourth
out of thirty two obviously twenty fourth a year ago
to third this upcoming year. And that the wide zone
is is something.

Speaker 9 (47:56):
That really impacts the play action game. That we're going
to see a lot of it, And I could even
say that's a fifth component of it. The the the
additional uh play action, but the wide zone stretch and
then and then the naked bootlegs that come off of
the wide zone because you're you're got canine going far left,
Sam Darnold as a right handed quarterback coming out of

(48:17):
the pocket. And then also all the plays where you
fake that stretch, fake like you're gonna run the naked
and then pull up within the pocket, within the tackles.
And now, because if you if the quarterback stays on
the move towards the right sideline, Sam keeps going to
the sideline, well, then all the the routes have to

(48:37):
be outbreaking because the the the quarterback is running out
outward right towards the sideline, so the receivers have to
break their routes towards the sideline. So you you kind
of run out of concepts. But if you do the fake,
fake the stretch, then fake the naked, then stop somewhere
in the behind the tackles, somewhere that now you're in

(49:02):
the pocket, you've already induced the defense to flow laterally
before they come up at the passers, So you're helping
the offensive line. And that's where you get with those
condensed formations. A lot of crossing routes and other components
that in breaking routes as well as the outbreaking route,
so you have far more of an array of pass

(49:24):
comps concepts you can run when you run that type
of play actions.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Hugh Mill in a little Mini Wednesday version of hardcore
football here in the offseason, which I'm loving. We only
got about six or seven minutes left. So the good
news is there's mini camp next week. They moved it
up a week, so I'm gonna get you on next
week and we're gonna go. I'm gonna dive deeper into
all four of these next week with you in terms
of the personnel and what they've got. But let me
jump into the quarterback if I can, real quick. Yeah,
in Sam Darnold, I'll joking aside about red zone interceptions

(49:49):
in June, which.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Again, just a quick little thought from me the dummy here.
I'm just thinking, Hm, red zone interception in June. I'd
rather see that than the red zone interceptions or the
thirty first ranked goal to goal offense in October November.
That's just me. He can enjoy that in Vegas. Okay,
let me get to this, Sam, Darnold. I've heard the

(50:12):
term game manager with him before. I've heard that this
offense fits him before. How would you how would you
react to those?

Speaker 9 (50:18):
Well, before we get into talking about him specifically, let's
just talk about the term. Okay, in a in maybe
an ideal sense, game manager would not be the pejorative
that it has become. Right, Like, a game manager ostensibly
should be something like, hey, look, here's a guy that

(50:39):
understands the circumstances of the game, and he will make
the appropriate decisions. So if it's if you're up seventeen
to six in the fourth quarter, maybe it's yucky weather,
and you know, you know your defense is playing great,
you're kind of backed up, it's third down, Hey, don't
force the ball, we can punt. We're we're in great shape.
And you say that's game management. Well, that that's a

(51:03):
good thing, right, But I understand that words get co opted.
Meanings of words migrate. So I'm prepared to operate in
this conversation under the idea that that that's a negative.
The game manager is used to describe people that and
it and it generally means, well, you're you're too conservative,

(51:24):
or you don't have the physical talent to push the
ball down the field. You're just gonna dink and dunk,
either because of your mentality or because of your lack
of traits. Is that a fair, fairfect? And not only
that a quick ad? This first time I think I've
ever used game manager in hardcore football. I've never gone
down this road before.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
It's a term out there.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
It's universally issues all the time.

Speaker 9 (51:47):
Okay, all right, So so play last year plays of
of twenty plus yards, Sam Donald was number one in
the NFL sixty two plays of twenty plus plays of
twenty five plus yards. Sam Donald's forty one plays was
number one in the NFL. The stat portal for the

(52:09):
NFL has attemps five or more yards. I think that's
significant because you know checkdowns are generally gonna be within
five yards or all the bubble screens that don't matter. Right,
So Gino last year was thirty second in the NFL
five or with his pass attempts five or more yards
from alion screamer, Sam Donald was fourth. All right, A

(52:31):
very similar statistic the percentage of your throws that are
at the sticks, meaning the first down marker or past.
Gino last year was thirty first, Sam Donald fourth, And oh,
by the way, if you go, Sam Donald had six
starts for the Caroline Panthers in twenty twenty two, we

(52:52):
had to start for the forty nine ers. So you
go over the last three years, that's Geno first, Gino's
forty second. In that category, Donald sixth over a three
year period. Percentage of completions for a first down or
touchdown Gino is twenty fourth, Sam Donald's fifth over the
last three years. This is against twenty twenty two. The

(53:13):
percentage of plays that are attempted twenty or more yards
down the field, Gino's twenty eighth. Sam was fourth. This
is the last three years. Attempts of air yards twenty
or more yards Gino forty first, Sam eleven. So one

(53:33):
was percentage and one was the total number. So all
these numbers keep looking at you and say why are
you You might call him a game manager back in
is New York Jets days. I didn't run the numbers
then because I looked at the offensive coordinators they had
and the situation when he was drafted as a twenty
year old, had to play as a twenty one year
old and playing for offensive coordinators who after they got

(53:57):
fired for the Jets, never got an NFL job. Is
that so? So there was a lot of things where
he was handcuffed in his years as Jets. Look, I
don't want to just completely throughout his Jet years, but
if you're a reasonable Blue Sky Seahawk fan, you'd say, hey,
we're we're kind of banking on that he's become a
different guy. He's eighteen and six in his last twenty

(54:19):
four starts. That's at Carolina, that's San Francisco, and of
course the Vikings. So this is what we see on
the tape. Now, this is what the numbers show, and
the numbers do not show anything resembling what is commonly
referred to to as a game manager in again a
pejorative sense.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I mean, it's great information. I think it's sometimes Hugh,
you know this, there's narratives that get that are made
out there sometimes right, and you know, and then people
go with the narrative, they go with what they think
and they hear and the general stuff. And I think
that's I think it's a great way to look at it.
I mean, listen, time will tell you know what it's
all about. We're so damn early this process. I just

(55:03):
I'm gonna add one quick thing. I know I'm running
out of time. There was something wrong last year with Gino.
And what I mean by that is this your numbers
there they they give me the fodder that I mentioned
the other day. I felt like there was a guy
that wasn't on the same page with the head coach.
He was very concerned about some contract stuff that check

(55:25):
down Charlie. Numbers you just gave us, they don't lie, Hugh,
those don't lie, you know, And especially the last few
weeks of the season, trying to stay above that seventy
percent completion ry that is just that is unde Listen,
we saw it. We talked about it in the final
three weeks. We talked about the lack of air yards,
we talked about all those things. And then the numbers
you just gave us emphasized that you had a guy

(55:48):
that just wasn't the same guy he was the previous
few years. And part of it, listen, part of it
might have been the coach. He just he was a
peak guy. Pete Juvenator. Gino's career, he did that's undeniable,
and it just wasn't working. Maybe with a grub Gino
Mike McDonald wasn't working. I just I guess I would
just say this, Hugh. I think I'm excited to see

(56:09):
what this new offense brings, this new offensive staff brings,
what Sam Donald brings, how they incorporate somehow mill Roe
perhaps in some packages which we can talk about down
the road. But I love that conversation. I think you
just laid it out perfectly. If someone's just tuning in
right now, go back and listen to this podcast, please,
because we just did. We did hardcore one on one

(56:31):
in June, and I think it was absolutely sensational.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
So I thank you for that much.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
No, good to be with you as always, Ian.

Speaker 9 (56:37):
And you know, just a quick note to follow up
that on those checked own Charlie numbers, you know, the
victim in that primarily was DK Metcalf.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Yes, because I would.

Speaker 9 (56:47):
Come every Monday morning, you know, and get up at
set my alarm for four am, because I had access
to the NFL's that ALL twenty two, the end Zone,
copying the ALL twenty two, and I would sit there
and watch and I would I would pause the tape
and I go, what in the finge hell is going
on here, Like, if you throw early on time, you've

(57:08):
got an eighteen yard completion. But if you if if
you're gonna be half a second late, you're then then
DK's his route is gonna be into the linebacker. There's
not gonna be a chance. You've got to throw that
off the break like good quarterbacks do. And it would
just drive me and and I would. I would do
these still shots and I would send them off, you know,
I just send them off the home grin. I'd send

(57:30):
them off to you. I'd send them off the Bucky
like like I'd send them off the Softie.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
I mean, I'm like, like, you can't even believe what
it's what I'm seeing.

Speaker 9 (57:37):
And uh, but it would happen, you know, every week,
and so yeah, it was maddening. I mean, there's a
there's a story to be told out there that I
don't know a lot of a lot of fans don't
want to hear.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
But nope, we'll talk next week, my friend, grate stuff.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
That's Humil and Jaron Reid is going to join us
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Speaker 1 (58:18):
All right, we're back at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center,
day two of Let me emphasize this open OTAs where
all of us knuckleheads can actually watch football practice in
June has just wrapped up. Tenth year in the NFL,
thirty two years old. You use that, I f ive
used it yet?

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Use that.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I got your water too. Ten years in the NFL,
thirty two years old, young looking good at thirty two? Yeah,
Sharon Reid Hall, the hell are you?

Speaker 10 (58:45):
But I'm good? You know, putting my doing my face
routines to keep looking young, thinking about colleges and so on.
As you know.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
Are you unique in the NFL? How many guys are
doing this modeling coming up?

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
No, No, you're here. I'm gonna ask you this weird question.
Why the hell is a ten year veteran thirty two
years old here at Ota is.

Speaker 10 (59:11):
In gym man the love of the game, to be
here with the guys, to build a chemistry, to you know,
let them see me, you know, let them know that
it's real. Uh, be here for any questions they may need,
to show them how to work, how to prepare like
a pro, you know, things like that.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Does it say something about the culture Mike McDonald's built
as well?

Speaker 10 (59:32):
Yeah? Absolutely. The culture that we're building here is is
very unique that I would like to say, Uh, you
have to be strong minded to be to be in this,
in this kind of kind of culture here. You know,
you can't be soft minded, can't be weak minded. You
know a lot of his game is mental, so you
got to have a strong mindset.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Jared, you you we've talked before you came here during
the heyday, so to speak with Pete uh and and
everything you're just saying now sounds like what it kind
of used to be here when when you first made
your first tour through Seattle with Pete Carroll. There's a
bunch of alpha dogs in this field. There was a
bunch of guys like that that setting that tone. It
feels like you're getting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Back to that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
Oh no, definitely, hands down. And it's crazy you said
that because I said that to somebody earlier. I was like, man,
this reminds me it reminds me when I first got
in the league, because you know, it was hitting the
ground running. You know, we had all the dogs here
and it was practice, was it was real. It was
practice was harder than the games. You know, competition was crazy,

(01:00:31):
watching guys go at it, the physicality at practice, and
then at the end of the day, we're all bad friends.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah, because we're.

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
All teammates, right, you know, and if hear this offense defense,
but it's definitely getting that way. Man, it's exciting to see.
I'm excited for this season just period. Just how we're
working right now. I feel like nobody's working as hard
as we are now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
To be honest, you've been with other teams, so you
would know, Yeah, you would know who set the tone
back then, because you're setting the tone down, like I
think it's safe to say you're setting the tone down.
That's one of the reasons you hear when you talk
about those days gone by when you got here as
a rookie out of Alabama and and rolled in and
guy and practice was harder, If training camp was harder
than some of those games, who are those guys that
set the tone that you kind of now make up

(01:01:12):
the slack and after him emulate.

Speaker 10 (01:01:13):
It was the entire defense. Yeah, it was not just
one person, it was everybody. They all had that mentality.
It was to go out there and they would not
be denied. And you know, they wanted to take over practice.
They wanted to dominate the person in front of him.
And I think that, you know, everybody now has that mentality,
and I think Mike is doing a good job of
putting that mentality out there but letting us figure out

(01:01:35):
how to wiggle those ways around, you know, when it
goes on the field.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Jaron Reed joining me in front's with you this afternoon,
Ot is wrapping up. Leonard Williams also out there on Monday.
I saw him out there at number ninety nine. I
mean the year he has kind of the same thing
is I mean, I know you guys are talking all
the time. Is that his same mentality is like, listen,
we're all supposed to it's OTA's it's not mandatory. But
that's the same mentality. He obviously has two guys like
you setting the tone.

Speaker 10 (01:01:59):
Yeah, I think a lot of that stamps from last year.
I think that we let a lot of games go
that we definitely could have won. Especially on the defensive
side of the ball. I mean, that's just some type
of mentality that we have. You know, we talk about
it all the time. He said he wants more. I
felt like I could have had more there, felt like
he could have had more my fade Byron. You know,

(01:02:19):
just everybody. You know, everybody's hungry, and you know, right now,
I think it's a good thing. It's a scary thing.
But not for us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
It's be scary for the a FC West whoever gonna
line up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Let me one year ago when Mike McDonald and his
defensive staff they came in here, a brand new staff.
The offense is probably going through this again. Two years
ago they got a new coup of three years or
new coordinators. But for you guys a year ago, I
remember Mike McDonald saying, I think I'll even talked to
you and other guys in the defense. At this point
June of twenty twenty four, you were just starting to
put the defense in, just kind of scratching the surface.

(01:02:53):
How far ahead are you, guys with Mike McDonald's defense,
which I know you love. How far ahead are you
twelve months later?

Speaker 10 (01:02:59):
Oh, we're very far ahead. I think if you're out
there watching them, especially like with the first Union and
some of the guys that came in, you know as
rotation of the players such as myself and some other
players that we're just comfortable. So when we got there,
we can communicate what we see way faster. We get
the call. We don't have to dissect the call. We
can get the call. The calls are registered, so now
we can communicate amongst each other what we see and

(01:03:21):
how to play fast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I like it because he said that that's something it's
interesting to use. Communicate, because that's something a word that
Mike McDonald used a lot. Communication is that one of
the biggest keys to his defense.

Speaker 10 (01:03:31):
Exactly, it's a lot that goes on as a defense.
I think we audible like an offense does. So you know,
it's just a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
That you can't do that like in September compared to
December and now a year later.

Speaker 10 (01:03:43):
Yeah, yeah, so now we can do we can open
it up, you know to what we really can do.
You know, it's just it's just not a what you
see is not what you've really seen type of word.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
I had a couple more things for you. Let me
talk about guys year two, Bira Murphy. You mentioned Murph,
the the second year guy. We saw flashes from him
last year. What kind of steps do you and and
steps forward do you expect to see him from this year?

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
What do you expect to see from him?

Speaker 10 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I'll spend him to be one of the top
defensive tackles in the league. He's a great guy. He
has every two that you need to be a dominant
defensive player. You know, last year had a little couple
of knicks here that held him back. But you know,
I think this year he's hounding in and he's working hard,
and I'm excited to see this step he's gonna take.
You know, everybody's year one the year two is crazy.

(01:04:28):
Some guys come out having an amazing year one, then
year two may not be the same vice versa, you know,
but I think he's gonna come out and dominate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
We saw that with Derek hall last year, right, Like
Derek Hall year one, Derek Hallier two. Right, it's kind
of the same thing along the way I got nick
him on the worry is coming in here. This this
big safety that can play. Big Nickel can play, can
play almost anywhere. With his athleticism, have you noticed the
guy wearing number three. He's we'll taller than the old
number three.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Have you noticed that?

Speaker 10 (01:04:57):
Of course, he's a North Carolina guy. Shout out North
Carolina guys. But you know, I'm excited to see what
he's gonna do. He's gotta learn the defense some more
so you just play faster. But I think he has
a great group of guys around him, you know Jay Love,
you know Kobe Bryant, you know Spoon to bring him
up to speed, and I think he's gonna be just fine.
I'm excited to see what he's gonna do as well.
And he's got that dog man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Speaking of that, you know who's gets slept on around
the league? Is Stevin Weatherspoon? Like like, well, I just
knuckleheads like us in the media, not here necessarily Like
it's it's like, I feel like this guy is somewhat underappreciated.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
You see him every day. We hear him talking out
there all the time.

Speaker 10 (01:05:33):
I take Spoon versus any of these guys on any
other team any day.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
What makes him that guy?

Speaker 10 (01:05:38):
It's him. It's how he works every day, how he
approaches the game. I mean you could just see it
on the practice tape. You see it on the game tape.
He plays one hundred and ten percent every play. I mean,
that's the guy you can count on, like there's no
worry if I'm rushing the past, that spoon is gonna
be back there making them play. I mean, he's probably
one of the best players I've played against since I
came in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
With He's got that attitude of the old school see.

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
How hands down and you can't coach that. That's what somebody,
somebody has to have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
With ny Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Offensively, you're going against these guys and know you're limited
to what you can do. You can't really there's a
lot of stuff you can't do, but your eyes as
a veteran in the league have seen a lot of offenses,
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Of different guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Whan first asked you about the quarterback Sam Donald, which
jumps out of you. You know, yeah, I love saying
he's on my team. Now, Okay, I know we got back.
I know we've we've talked about this before. You and
quarterbacks don't get along.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
We get that. We on the I want you your teammate,
Sam Darnold, the facts.

Speaker 10 (01:06:32):
You know, we made jokes about last year's game, but
we lead. It worries that, but uh, he's he's here
with us, and I like to think that we can be,
if not are going to be one of the best
defenses in the league. So going against us should be tough.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:06:46):
We should make it very difficult for him, you know,
So it should be not easy, but he should be
somewhat comfortable and calm when it's time to go against
of a defense. So that's just the way I like
to put it. And I got to face them plenty
of faith, and he beat his last year. You know,
it's kind of it's kind of sticky.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
It's still sticky to you. There are certain losses you
obviously remember.

Speaker 10 (01:07:09):
You don't you don't forget you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
I get that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
But the offense is a hole is different, Like they're
coming at you pro style, I formation, physical offense. When
this team won Super Bowls, they were playing with Michael
Robinson as a full back, and they had a two
back set, and they had they'd go to thirteen personnel.
They do all those things. It kind of feels like
that's how your head coach is a defensive guy wants
to play. Do you like what you see from that
offensive scheme?

Speaker 10 (01:07:33):
I love that. I mean, let's get away with the
cute stuff for a while and let's get back to
hard those football I can tell you now, like nobody
wants to line up and just pound pound, especially in
twenty twenty five footballs as much as they're trying to
paddle the lead down right now, Like that's real football
twenty one person now, twenty two thirteen, that's the stuff.

(01:07:53):
Like we're like, okay, I know, I gotta get ready
for anybody can line lip in the gun, you know,
saying play balls kind of leave it on up and stuff. Yeah,
you know it's flag football, it's touch. But you know
when you line up and those type of personnais man,
that's that's mono, I mano. You know who can really
play a block? Who can really whoop the man in front.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Of God intended football to be played with a full
back out of an eye formation and run the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Football facts right?

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
How's your guy from Alabama the quarterback doing to all? Yeah,
he's a quarterback. He's an Alabama guy. So I gonna
ask you about milwaw.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
That's my guy.

Speaker 10 (01:08:24):
You know, I got you know, us Alabama Alabama guys
got special places in the heart for each other. So
you know I'm gonna take care of why we're in lockerom.
Why don't feel you gotta get that well, you know
we gotta bless them in the lead.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I don't think you can catch him.

Speaker 10 (01:08:38):
You never know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
I don't know can you catch him?

Speaker 10 (01:08:40):
I got a defense around. I'll tell you better keep
going straight, you cut back, you cut making some danger.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Jared Reid, I love talking to you. Seahawk fans love
it hearing from me. It's great to see number ninety
back in the Sea hockey uniform again this season. You're
one of the best we've had here, man, So thanks
for coming on. Appreciate it, Thank you. Appreciationing that is
Jared Reed. Will take quick break, come back with more.
Nine three point three kJ FM. My big thanks to

(01:09:07):
Jaron Reid for swinging by talking to us here for
a few minutes after practice today the second open OTA
Dave Softy Mallory, who's a huge fan of off season
workouts and June football practice.

Speaker 11 (01:09:20):
Right now, only thing worse than my voice is OTAs
and off season workouts.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
But you're here next week.

Speaker 8 (01:09:26):
I am on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, you get to crap on it and then go, yeah,
what the hell's going on?

Speaker 8 (01:09:31):
Not crapping on the Seahawks. I just can't stand them.

Speaker 11 (01:09:34):
I mean it's you know they have to do it.
You know everyone's got a practice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Right, Can I tell you?

Speaker 8 (01:09:40):
I gotta tell you something, you give up practicing.

Speaker 11 (01:09:42):
But preseason football, I can't stand OTAs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
You love you love those August exhibition or preseason games.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I know you are.

Speaker 11 (01:09:51):
Absolutely terrible and nothing there's first of all, do I
sound better than yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
No, you sound worse, Actually sound worse.

Speaker 11 (01:09:58):
There's nothing worse or nothing that's got a bigger gap
and my enjoyment meter than NFL preseason football and NFL
regular season football.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Well, except for all those times I see you in
those August home games with your face painted and holding
out an.

Speaker 11 (01:10:15):
Seen maybe when I was like eleven, maybe when I
was nine, you couldn't get tickets my dad. One year,
when I was twelve years old, my dad got a
pair of season tickets and told me if I behaved
at Sunday school, I could get to go to a game.

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
And I never went to one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Well that's not a surprise, because I myself, I do
have to tell you a funny story though, yeah, so
feel free to talk as much as you want.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
So I'm I'm the story that isn't a story about
Sam Donald throwing an intercession or two. I cut him
now to be honest, open OTAs yes, And then for
some reason people think that a radio host in town,
we should ask Mike McDonald about that, and then he
snaps and now he's all mad apparently in all this
really yes, because it was a dumb quid question and

(01:11:00):
it's and as you pointed out, at this point in
the year, the defense could probably.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
And we did that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
He had Hugh on it too, like yeah, we could
probably intercept like almost every pass. So I'm watching during
a commercial break some eleven on eleven's and there was about,
I don't know stave four or five passes are working
on some deep balls and some deep routes that that
easily would have been picked off, like easily could and
the defense I don't know if they were told to
back off or what the deal was, but you know,
they're not supposed to make a play on the ball anyway, right,

(01:11:28):
like unless maybe it's red zone. So all of a sudden,
like what would have been like probably two interceptions for
each of the three quarterbacks were just like catches where
the receiver came back two yards, caught the ball, walked
in and I'm just like, like, it goes to the
point of this. Anybody who's out there charting what's going
on in terms of passes and interceptions and stuff is
a fool at this time of year. So that as

(01:11:49):
far as ta's and stuff, I'm with you on what
I like talking. Yeah, I like talking to guys like
Jared Reid was great amount to go. I don't know
if you heard Jared, he was awesome, but.

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
Okay, the guy asking the questions could have been better,
but he was The guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Asking the questions isn't very good. And it's no shocked
that he's been on the air for nineteen years here.
It's just stunning a development.

Speaker 11 (01:12:06):
I think that the question that was asked of McDonald,
I don't know if it's so terrible a question to
benest with you.

Speaker 10 (01:12:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
I don't know if I agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
That it's a terrible question.

Speaker 11 (01:12:18):
I'm running some numbers right here, which there's no way
I'm going to have these done by the end of
this segment.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Because you're running numbers.

Speaker 11 (01:12:23):
Well, Sam Donald in this scenario would be Matt Flynn
in twenty twelve, except for Daven Milroe would be Russell Wilson,
both third round draft picks. Right, So what percentage of
the salary cap is Donald making now versus Flynn thirteen
years ago?

Speaker 8 (01:12:41):
That's what I'd like to know. He lost his starting job.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
The difference is Matt Flynn had two career starts under
his belt. No, I get that.

Speaker 11 (01:12:50):
I totally get that, But I don't know if the
money is that different when it comes to a percentage
of the cap. It Maybe I haven't looked it up,
so I got no idea. But I mean, if if
Sam Donald looks terrible in the first couple of preseason
games and Jalen Milroe is doing what Russell Wilson did
in the preseason in twenty twelve, you think those voices
are going away.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Well, JOm Milroll won't have the same number of snaps
in practice, like, well, of course you won't, because Russell
but Russ was two. He was two in the depth chart, right,
Jim Milrose a decided number three.

Speaker 11 (01:13:21):
But right, but which means he likely plays the majority
of the second half, if not the third and fourth quarter, right, yeah,
third half.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
I would. I mean, who knows what this.

Speaker 8 (01:13:31):
I just don't think it's that terrible a question.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
I think it's apples and oranges.

Speaker 11 (01:13:34):
But okay, I like to compare grapes to cucumbers to
be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
But that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Are you are you cumber? Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Cucumbers are the Really it's the worst vegetable in the world.
There's nothing to things like cucumbers.

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
I love cucumbers, Andrews, You're like cucumber.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Cumbers is a fruit, by the way, And yes I do.

Speaker 8 (01:13:53):
I love cucumbers, man, love them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I'm into grapes, especially when they're wine.

Speaker 11 (01:13:57):
Perhaps some cucumbers got them up prost some thousand. Now
undressing on there, we'll salt pat music?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Is it over?

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Now? Does that mean we have to go? What's on
your show today? David?

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
You know the name cam Moon? Is that name? Ring
a bell?

Speaker 11 (01:14:10):
He is the radio pip by play voice for the
Edmonton Oilers. He's actually not calling the game because he
gets bumped by the way for them from the TV guy. Yes,
so he's gonna join us at four from Edmonton. Here
we go go, Panthers Mike Florio will join us at
three ten to day before game one of the Stanley
Cup Finals, as well at five o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
You're not gonna make it through.

Speaker 8 (01:14:28):
A show, not a chance, You're not a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Understanding for the mild mannered and marginally objectionably infness.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
This is paddle Day, saying so long everyone,