Furness Show 9-16: Hugh Millen, Eddie Olczyk, Molly Whop Monday, Mike Sando.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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they are all right. Seahawks gotta win yesterday knocking off
the Patriots who went to overtime. But they've improved to
two and oh in the season. Remember the NFL as
a results based league, doesn't matter how you do.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
It, what it looks like he played.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's just about looking for the w's two and oh
on the season. By the way, next up Miami. Just
in just a moment ago, Mike McDaniel, the head coach
for the Dolphins, says, quote, there's not enough information yet
to place two on the injury reserve. He ain't playing
this week, No, but he's not an injured reserve yet.
Didn't we expect to see Skylar Thompson speaking of quarterbacks
in the NFL number one pick last year In twenty

(00:55):
twenty three, guy by the name of Bryce Young benched
Dave Canal, former Seahawk assistant coach who's the head coach
now with Carolina Panthers. I just go with the red Rider,
Andy Dalton, right after he said he was sticking with
Bryce on the red rifle, red rifle on red rider,
thinking of an old bike.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's hold anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
That's what's going on there in the national football. We
have money at football tonight, Andrews. We have money at
football tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, we do. Is that available for factor fiction?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
The the line is the over under is not well,
unless you want to take you out.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Over No, no, no, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that.
That's on America. Yeah, against points five to fifteenth tonight.
That's Atlanta and Philadelphia. That's correct. Okay, all right, we'll
take a look.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
At what factor what's that as I go b John Robinson,
what factor of fiction?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Coming up? At two thirty five today? Mariners that beat
the Rangers seven nothing yesterday. The pitching combined face the minimum.
George Kirby was the starter, seven innings, didn't give up
a single. It was absolutely awesome. Bullpen came in, they
got a double play, so they faced twenty seven batters.
That's pretty good. That's really good. Actually, storm went again. Yes,
Sounders also won over the weekend to nothing. Over sporting case.

(02:04):
They continue to climb up in the Western Conference. Do
what they do every year, start slow, finished strong. Baseball
team tries to do that, usually don't finish quite as
strong as the Sounders do. They have a better job
doing that every year. And oh, by the way, there
was another college football game over the weekend. I don't
know if you guys missed the score or not, just
in case you did. A final score from Lumenfield, A

(02:24):
final score from Lomenfield.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Wait what, Oh it wasn't a final score from lowin Field.
Was Washington State twenty four Washington nineteen, thank you nineteen
twenty zeen for this.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I was sitting in another football stadium over the weekend
and they kept giving the scores out and it was
like cheers and oh, cheers and uh and that game
ended right when ours was.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
I was crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'll tell my story later, so exactly how it was
in the stadium. Fun times. Okay, let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
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Speaker 3 (03:08):
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Speaker 1 (03:11):
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Speaker 2 (03:17):
Here we go on a Monday at the cores Light
Frost brewed cores Light two shill Monday Football Monday. Here
we go, Let's have some fun. We had a lot
coming up. Our man Hugh Millan's gonna join us in
about fifteen minutes. We'll check in with him hardcore football
every Monday. Normally we do all Seahawks and I don't
have the bandwidth, nor just I just don't normally break down.

(03:39):
He can break down the Huskies with the morning show
or with Softy. I don't do that. Normally. We will
talk about the play and no, it's not I would have,
honest to god, I would have talked about it anyway,
Like if they score, I don't know, if they give
it to their running back and just pound it up
the middle and score and win the game. I would
have asked him about that. Probably would have asked Hi
about getting there down in position Dallas Jackson's still catching

(04:00):
against our secondary doesn't matter. I would have asked about that,
but instead will ask about the call that will be
that will be talked about.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
For a long time.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
In this market. And it's interesting because if I look
back a year ago, different coaching staffs, the coaching staff
that made one of the most brilliant play calls with
Michael Pennix and the little end around. Remember that one,
Remember that one for Washington, that one brilliant play call.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like brilliant play calls, almost as if coaching matters. It's
almost as if coaching matters.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's almost as if it's almost as if your coaches,
one of whom's now at Alabama. God, they just lay
it on Wisconsin at Camp Randall. Who I almost I
almost went with that game. In fact, somebody must have
right made me go with that game. The iselid wisconsonant
would keep it a little close because Alabama is not
used to but Caitlin and the boys went up there

(04:59):
and just laid and whooping on those boys. But it's
almost as if him Kayline, Ryan Grubbe make a difference. Yeah,
they're good coaches, just be or if you have a
head coach that thought Jaden Dolaura was better than Noah
Fafida until he had no choice because Dolaura got hurt, arrested,

(05:22):
lawsuit against him, what have you. But the guy that
thought he was better than Fafida. And then two assistant
coaches with NFL pedigrees with their last name, well they're
not named Bill and Pete, so weird how coaching matters.
So we're going to break that down and I'll just
leave it at that, Gokux. We'll break that down to you,
because I, for the life of me, I don't think

(05:43):
any of us can fathom that play call. Like there
has to be there has to be a reason it
was done. Like an all let's say, let me take
the chief stuff away for a second. Let me just
say this. There has to be a reason it was called.
There there I joke about Fafida and DeLaura and the
last names of Belichi.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I can care.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Okay, there has to be a reason that it's called.
That's why we have you. He is our hardcore football guy.
Knows more about this than anybody any of us combined
could ever fathom. So we'll ask you about that at
twelve twenty today. In the meantime, I'll get back to
the Apple Cup at one thirty. We got an empty

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segment there, Oh that's gonna be full, so well fun okay,
So until then, it is no longer empty until until then,
have no longer an empty segment. Until then we move on.
Mariners will get to with the boys at one o'clock. There, Andrews,
I'll have you on the show at one a little
bit because you're gonna help us run it today.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
An honorary mid way. Yeah, you're on the Yeah, you're
kind of right here. You're on the group.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I'm kind of grooming you because I need you at
some point. You're kind of on the depth chart.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
If at some point one of those two guys can't
make it, or if I'm out, you're Dylan Moore. You
are the Swiss.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
By the way, whatever happened to Mitchanigher? Is he still around?
Thank god?

Speaker 5 (06:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Okay, I was thinking about him this weekend. Anyway, Are
you trying to have Victor Robos and Luke Raley out there?

Speaker 6 (07:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I love Hanniger. He's my favorite Mariner of all time. Anyway,
we'll get the we'll get to the Marriors. I'll ask
you this question. Don't answer it now, Andrews, but I'll
ask you sore they still in it? Are they still
in it?

Speaker 6 (07:11):
And?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
If so?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And I'll ask the boys too, are they in it
for the division or are they in it for the
wild card or both. I'm not gonna pull a softy
and you can only have one. I'm sure he's got
like eighteen of those coming up at three o'clock today
that we.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Can only have one. Ryan Grobber. Kaitlin de bor stays,
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Goodness, that was really good. So I'll believe that for
David maul Or at three o'clock, you can only have one.
But I'll ask that question to everybody coming up at one,
because good weekend for them, they win three or four. Uh,
and so they're kind of hanging around. Okay, so we'll
get to that with the Boys. Then the Seahawks will
get this real Qui Becau. We're gonna spend well, spend
a lot more time with Seax, obviously with Hugh for
his couple segments of hardcore football starting at twelve twenty.

(07:52):
But listen that that was a What I loved about
that game is that I feel like they left so
much on the table, didn't play very well. Offensive line
is still a massive work in progress, challenge, whatever you
want to call it. They've got so many issues there.

(08:15):
So Andrews, you said it a minute ago. Coaching matters well.
In this case, they had to figure something out, like
how can they not get Gino killed? I'm sorry, I listen.
I know that a lot of people love themselves some
Zach Sharbonney, he ain't Ken Walker, he just isn't. No,
I'll never quite understand the National Football League. And I
know I'm not the smartest guy in the world with

(08:36):
the NFL. I'm not all twenty two guy. The first
guy who admit I'm not all twenty two guy. A
lot of people want to be all twenty two guys.
I'm not. But I do always wonder out loud to
myself why that position is so undervalued? The difference, For example, yesterday,
let's go to the Sunday night game. Maybe watch a
Sunda night game. Yes, what's the difference between a healthy
Joe Mixon and a on a roster off a roster again,

(08:59):
Cam as well, it's a fumble at the two yard line, yep,
that almost cost them the game. That's the difference. What's
the difference between Zach Charbonay and Ken Walker. One guy's
going to be a perennial thousand yard rusher if he's healthy.
The other guy is a backup period, so they didn't
ever running game because even if there was a hole
or there was an opportunity to hit a hit a

(09:20):
hole or cut back, charbon Ay just doesn't do it
as well. He's not a bad football player, but by
no means am my saying that he's just not the
same level as ken Walker, so he couldnt run the football.
Jackson Smith and Jabo was phenomenal, but Gino had to improvise.
He had some drop balls yesterday. I I I watched
the game last night.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
No, Keenan Allen didn't play.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
I see.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Keep going back to PFF's thing at the start of
the year. The best threesome of wide receivers in the NFL,
they said, which was the Chicago Bears rome running wrong
routes last night. Keenan Allen not healthy and DJ Moore
is good. But I'll still take these three guys over
over any threesome in the NFL. But and behold, they
weren't great yesterday. Just n ball off his hands, DK

(10:05):
ball off his hands. Tyler doesn't drop balls, so I'll
just give him credit there. Yeah, he's just spectacular. He's
just unbelievable, and he made the big play. As always,
what happens, what happens in overtime? Who do you go to?
Who do you go to?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:20):
One guy?

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Despite defense scheming for that, because they know that they're
gonna go there happen.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
You just go.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
You go to sixteen. It's like, I need a first down.
I don't want to give them the ball back. I
need to do something. I go to one guy at
number sixteen. God is he undervalued? He is just He's unbelievable.
But what I loved about that game is they just
didn't play well and they're two and oh. They didn't
play well in the first game and they're two and oh,
and now they get just a beat up Miami team

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that is like at home, and I don't like even
if they had to, I wasn't as worried about that
game as a lot of people. But now that they
don't have him, you should be a three to zero
football team after next week.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
They match up well against them too. They like they
have a lot of speed, but it's on the outside.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
That defense, secondary that defense they give up. I mean,
Hunner Henry's gonna have one thousand yards in the first half,
nothing after that. And when they had to get a stop.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
They got to stop a couple of different times. And
there's times when you're just going, oh, it does feel
Pete like there's a little bend, but don't break to it.
Isn't there there's a little bend, but not break Yeah,
but not in the big moments. I think the no
big place, not in the big moments. And that was key,
and that's they've done it two weeks in a row.
Talk about that with Hugh Millon. Nobody doesn't like him.
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Speaker 3 (12:08):
Now here's you with the.

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Speaker 2 (12:15):
Hugh Millen Hardcore Football Monday's twelve twenty Right here on
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Hugh Mellen, Hello, how are you, my friend?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm doing well from yesterday, not so much from Saturday.
I imagine I would have man listen. Uh got a lot,
you know, they say you want to beat your enemies
and your friends, and got a lot of koog friends
and yourself included. And congratulations, you guys deserved it. You
were You played with more emotion, you played smarter, you
played more in clutch, and unquestionably deserved to win the game.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
So enjoy, Hugh. I don't I appreciate that. I don't
think in you and i've spoken about this. Hell, we've
spoken about other topics in regards to this before when
we've just kind of been bs and or even on
and off the air. I just I'm convinced that there
is no sport that coaching matters more than football. It
doesn't matter what level could be Pee Wee Pop Warner junior, high,
middle school, high school, big college, small college, doesn't matter. CFL,

(13:19):
indoor NFL doesn't matter. Coaching matters. I think the world
of Jake Dickert as an inspirational figure. But what he
got his team to kind of step up and do
the other day, and the improvements on the defense from
last year to this or are fantastic. But I want
to ask about the other side because and this is
this is not me poking. This is me wondering what

(13:42):
happened on that last play. And I'll let me preface
it by saying this, Hugh, I want your fat football
acumen because I am trying to understand as a lot
of people are. This is this is you know, how
we live. Dumbest call in the history of football. That's
the world. That's where we live, like jet fish, dumbest
playing the foot histr football. Now, last year we saw
the smartest play in the history of football when they

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got that position in position to get Grady Gross to
kickfield goal right. New coaching staff this year, let me
just ask you to break down that play and just
to go for people to for some reason may have
missed it. Wazoo up twenty four to nineteen and there
was three minutes and forty seconds left Will Rogers. It's
a deep ball again to Jarles Jackson to the twenty

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nine yard line. They are set up and ready to
go first and ten boom, next thing you know, there's
a They get down to the goal line near the
goal line and it's fourth and goal for Washington, fourth
and goal. They're right there on the doorstep. What happened
on that play? Break it down, because it's not as
simple you as I know, and you know it's not

(14:46):
as simple as quote the dumbest call in the history
of football.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, and the play before, I'm not sure you had
the best of competitiveness trying to reach for that goal line.
But on that play, just let's break it down at
its very essence. If you're designing a play, you say, okay,
think of like a bullseye at the core, and then
you've got to fill in the pieces around that. At
the core, the quarterback is coming down and he's opting

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of all playbacks, say e M L O. S the
n man on the line of scrimmage, one guy and
he's unblocked. And so you leave that guy unblocked, and
essentially the quarterback is blocking him. Because you're taught as
a quarterback attack the inside armpit, the inside shoulder of
that defender, and then if if he is there to

(15:33):
tackle you, you know, you pitch it out right. The
thing about this this look was that there was two
guys outside the what we call a nub tight end,
and nub tight end is is where there's no receiver
to the outside, so there's a tight end line and
and so now you you're gonna have to get uh
some some lateral blocking. You're you're trying to reach with

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the tackle and the tight end to get those two guys.
That's leaving the middle linebacker over because because if you
count the center, the guard, the tackle, and the tight
end four Husky blockers, there's five cougars there, but two
of the cougars are outside of the tight end. So
how are you gonna block that? They the Huskies. If

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you wouldn't be you want to be in trips left
with the receivers to the left, at least split the guy.
You'd have been better off taking the tight end and
splitting them out, or putting a wide receiver out there.
Because like everybody else is playing press coverage, you can
just run a fade. The defenders just watching you you
take them to the back of the end zone and
then block them, and you'd had one less guy there.

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So having a tight end was one of the problems
the reach blocking. This if you look at the steps
of the offensive line and the center's trying to reach
the guy over the guard, the guard's trying to reach
the guy over the tackle, the tackles trying to block
out and get the guy outside the tight end. All
these guys are doing reach blocking. It's not terribly dissimilar

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if we break it down in simple terms to zone blocking.
And I was at the Broncos with Alex Gibbs and
Trell Davis, the godfather of the outside zone. When those
guys step laterally, they're they're taught, hey, look, try and
hook the guy, try to get to his outside armpit
if he if he fights you, then just push him
in that direction. And the and Torrel Davis, the ball
carriers were cut back inside. Well, that's great on an

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outside zone, but on an option you don't have that.
You've got a mandatory reach. Well what if you don't.
The guy's already three four feet outside of you and
you're trying to reach him. So the blocking angles are horrible.
And then the fact that there's a tight end I
mentioned him on the line of scrimmage that breaks down
the angle. If there's no tight end and I'm as
a quarterback in the shotgun, I can go down down

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hill more I mentioned earlier, like like on an analog clock,
just to simplify it. If I can go, if I'm
the center of an analog clock and I can run
at the defensive end, let's say at one o'clock, then
then then I put him in a buying and the
angle between me and the and the running back is wider.

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If now you add a tight end and you flatten me,
so I gotta still attack the outside. Uh excuse me.
The inside are a bit of of the Inman line
of scrimmage. Well now I'm I'm I'm going flatter, I'm
going more parallel to the line of scrimmer. So these
angles matter. I mean, you know and the Lakers and
the Magic Johnson, you know the showtime right, they used

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to say, hey, on the three on two break, touch
the sidelines. Touch this, touch the sidelines before you break
into because the angles matter. And and this this angle
with the the tight end, the fact that it's a
speed option if you want to run to the tight end.
Look Nebraska when they used to get in the I formation.
If you fake it to the fullback in the middle,
you hold the defense and then maybe you can get

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out on the edge. If you you know the veer
which was split backs. Uh, these are you know wistbone.
If you if you have some type of fake to
the inside, then it makes more sense to the run
the tight end. Uh you say, well those are those
are old school? Okay, it's a modern modern You get
in the shotgun, you're gonna fly sweep one way, and
then the option in the other. You you can get
in split backs out of formation. This would be a

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modern way to do it. Fake the inside zone to
the left and then have the running back on the
left be the the pitch man going to the right.
Get some type of eye candy, some type of misdirection,
some type of hold the interior. But when you do
speed option, brother, you gotta be you gotta I'm not
saying it can't be done. I'm just saying, but but

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your angles are poor. You're you're on the perimeter, You're
everybody flows with you, and they're gonna string out the play.
And of course it's going to short side. Everybody knows
that that part of it. But but I would just
say you could get You could sit there with wrestle
with on a whiteboard for a half an hour and
just say, okay, what what would be the best way
to block that? You know, I would say, have the

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tight end blockdown, help help on the four technique, which
is head over the tackle, let him climb to the
middle linebacker. But then you're still gonna have to have
the tackle go behind that and kick out one of
the guys and get a block on the perimeter and
then ops it off the other. I mean, you're asking
a hell of a lot. It's just a really bad play.
And I would just say this. I was hoping that

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Jetfish would say that is one hundred percent on me.
I felt like he took about seventy five percent of
the responsibility. He said it's a bad play, and I
tipped his hat. I'm glad he said that. But then
he also said, well we didn't execute it. Well, well,
that throws some ambiguity in there, some nebulous Well, well,
bull crap that play. The odds that you're gonna get

(20:36):
that blocked, that play blocked against that that front are
are you know, it'd be like drawing an inside flush.
You know it can happen, but you're talking about everything
is going to have to line up well.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
And then honestly, he on top of that, I'm just
as watching it over again as you're describing it again,
you're asking everything to be perfect. Right, first of all,
you're asking everything to be perfect in terms of execution.
When he says, we you know, what have you so
the center? And let me interrupt, I'm sorry, Ian.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, when I said it could be blocked, it would
be blocking different than what they did. What they did,
I would say, it's next to impossible. It's not like
drawing inside flesh. It's like like winning the Mega Lottery
like like that. Because they're not even trying to block
the mic back no, you know, and he's flowing inside out?
How is he not going to get there to the
short side of the field when he reads speed option,

(21:27):
there's no misdirection as I described, there's nothing to hold him.
He just says, oh, speed option, and he just he
just slams, you know, and there's not a lot of
ground to cover because you're going to you know, twenty
yards from the hassmark to the sideline. Sorry to interrupt you,
but yeah, yeah, right, I just know you're right. I'm
watching cal Thornton, who you're talking about. I'm watching him
right now.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Everyone else got hat on hat and worst case scenario
for Wazoo, he's going to have a He's going to
have a free run into Rogers or Coleman, right, like
that's going to happen. But my point was this, as
you're describing that, I'm thinking, yeah, offensive Lineman. When you
ask those guys to do the hardest thing in the world,
you're asking for pure perfection too. Boy, the center just
got stood up fifty seven. I'm to tell you, I

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can't pronounce his name, don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
He was reaching right the technique right, and that wasn't significant.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
No, Well, and but the other the right guard really
got blown up, like he just got blown But.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Andrew, it's right now, I coached from youth football. And
it's a hard block. It's an impossible block, is it's
it's it's like you're trying to reach him. And as
I said, you know if it was zone block, and
he'd say, all right, Edson's he's working hard to get outside. Well,
I'll just push him outside and the running back will
cut off inside my ass, Well, you can't. That's not

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how options go. The ball has to go to the
perimeter in zone blocking. On the outside zone play, the
ball can go inside. In fact, the ball can go
back inside over right guard, even though it's designed to
go to the to the aiming point of the ass
crack of the tight end. As I've heard coaches say,
right and and so it's just the re seen aspects

(23:01):
of this, the uh uh and and the the the
immense probability the ball is gonna get strung out for
the reasons described. You know, it's just it's just a
really bad plays and and they and they called time
out to get to it. In fact, I would say this,
it would it was so bad they called time out.
Uh Now, no coach, no coach would actually do what

(23:21):
I'm about to do. All right, take call another time out,
or take a pedal, just take a take a false start,
or delay a game. Okay, like literally, if it was
like member money Hall, door number one is coach. And
now I'm not getting given you the the Let let
it play out, because as you watch it, you do anything,

(23:42):
you you take one shot from the fifty instead of
how it played out. I'm saying, before the snap, if
you could just say freeze, you can either snap the
ball and run that play, but it's got to be
a speed option. You can't have a check and and
and and we'll talk about a check that should have
been implemented to the play. You can either run the
speed option again that look, or you can take a
five yard penalty and rerack and go fourth down and

(24:05):
six goal from the six. One play and you can
just huddle up and just drop a whole new deal.
If you just went win probability, I am dead ass
certain that you had had a better win probability to
take the five yard penalty rerack on fourth and goal
from the six, then to try and run that play
against that front on that hash.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the I'm looking at
the free frame right now, and I don't know it's
it's I think two things. One, I want to give
our guys credit. They they they made the play, they executed,
they they held ground at the goals at the goal
line taken. And the same at the same time, I'm
looking at Will Rogers at the ball in his hand
as I froze this thing, and I'm thinking that's not
Jaden DeLaura or Noah Fafiita who you had at Arizona

(24:51):
the last couple of years. That's an air raid quarterback
that played for Mike Leach.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
And there's no there's no space, there's no there's.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
None those things like there's a million.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
But you're right, Jake Locker, John Mattier, Michael Vick. Uh,
you know Tim Tebow like like you're still you're gonna
have a scant improvement of your chance? Was what was
a check that was that wasn't there? That should have
been if if I, if I would have tagged it.
And in those plays, by the way, to me, this

(25:21):
is almost to the level I was a holder. So
I've been in special teams meetings. Uh, you know when
you have a fake pun on where you know they
snap it to the up back. Yeah, those plays are
always tied to check with me that you call that
and then you can kill it if you don't get
the right look. You and I as fans, we don't
know how many times we have watched fake punts. You

(25:42):
want to know why, because they killed it and they
just punted and and this would be almost in that
category where you'd say, look, if we're going to run
a speed stinking option to the short side to the
tight end, all the things I don't like about the
play at least you have to have that tagged that
that you run it a you know, opposite a running

(26:02):
play opposite or some pass or something. To me, if
you could redo it, I'd say running the inside zone
to the left. Based on the numbers and the personnel.
They had four over three to our three receiver side.
So if you had an inside zone and you just
tagged it with an RPO to clear everybody out of there,
and you just mash you got better bodies or running
over approximately left guard, that would be the aiming point.

(26:24):
But there'd be some fluctuation for the running back, you know.
And and I'll just say this, having been a passing
game coordinated at the high school level and head coach
at you know, even eighth grade. When I when I
coached kids at eighth grade, I gave them the entire
playbook at the line of scrimmage because I wanted them
to know what looks you look you find the best

(26:46):
because because I because my philosophy is, hey, I gave
you the play twenty seconds ago when I thought it
was gonna look look like this. But you know our offense,
you know what what's good and what isn't you run?
You run the entire play there because your eyes of
the last a set of eyes on the defense. So
I had eighth grade in high school, guys with the
entire offense at their disposal at the line of scrimmage.

(27:10):
And and so to me to not and and when
I was a quarterback for Washington, you know, uh uh
we played Oklahoma and the Orange Bowl and does a
good day for the Huskies, But we called every single
running play at the line of scrimmage. They're just like, hey,
trap check, and you'd want to run one of three
checks power check. You'd want to want a uh two
or three power counter sweep check. You'd run you know,

(27:31):
like you go up to the line with parameters and
you know, if you see this, you do if if this,
then if that, then if this then like like it
that for a guy with the experience of Will Rogers
to not send him up to the line of scrimmage
on fourth down with the game on the line. If
you see two two guys e M l os two

(27:53):
guys outside the It's called a seven technique and a
nine technique. If you get a seven and a nine
and that look with against a nub tied in, get
the hell out of it. Like how that is not embedded.
I would just say this, I'm not I'm not trying
to impuge impune Jedfish as a coach. I'm impugning Jedfish
and his entire mechanism and thought process and everything involved

(28:18):
with that play. That doesn't mean he won't be great.
For all, I know he's gonna be Bear Bryant. Uh.
But on that play that was that was really really
really our Washington Husky. He's getting our ass handed to us.
From a coaching standpoint, I got thirty seconds in this segment.
We'll get the sea Us next segment. If you're playing

(28:39):
the blame game, we all like to play the blame game.
Percentage of blame on Fish, Brennan Carroll, Will Rogers one
hundred percent on Jeed Fish. Okay, he's he's the guy
making the call. What is Brendan Carroll going to do?
Say no, don't do that. What is what does Will Rogers?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Insert Jake Locker uh? Insert Michael Vick. That play is
going to get strung out for all the reasons we've
been discussing. So so it's one hundred percent on jetfish.
And I would like him to just say that, because
he mostly said it, but then he said, well, we
didn't execute it, right. I'm not buying the we didn't

(29:21):
execute it at all for the reason I said. I know,
I'm not trying to no, but I love this.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I guess you say I love that because you know,
sometimes in sports it is the athlete's fault, like they
just did they just got beat right, whatever. But but
in this particular sport, I know this.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
You know this.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know this because you played, and you know this
because of your kids playing, especially in a very important position.
I know this because of my kid playing right now.
There are times as a football player you are put
in an impossible position by your coaches, and if they
don't take accountability, that's just wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Like that's just wrong.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I mean, if if well, to your point, if as
a party of the right tackle, if Edson crosses his
face and beats him and gets penetration, you know, I'd
say I'd say, well, as a speed option, there wasn't
a lot a lot bah but you know, i'd and
and here I coach this kid when he's young. He's
he's an amazing kid from an amazing family. So I
love the Edsons. But if he beat the the the

(30:22):
right tackle, I would say, hey, that's just Washington not
not being good enough at the point of attack. But
it's it's the right guard that's trying to reach him.
And and you know what I'm saying. And all of
a sudden, you you take the magnet, the magnifying of
the difficulty. You know, it's by an order of you know,
three four five. You know, I don't you know, quibble

(30:44):
with it, but it's just you know, you know, I
don't say exponentially, but it's significantly more difficult. And and
everything based on that alignment that personnel UH created at
every single turn, almost an impossible tasks.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
But a while since he did hardcore football. That was
twenty minutes of one play, but I think it was
well worth it, for sure. Absolutely good explanation. We'll come back.
I got one question for you, or just one statement,
Hugh Millen. Next segment, Gino Smith speak. We'll do that
next segment, all right, that's next with Hardcore football right.

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Speaker 2 (31:33):
All right, uh hum, Milan back with us. We're gonna
move on to the Seaux in a second. Just what do
you think went through I mean, a head coach, especially
knows what's gonna happen. Do you think went through Jed
and Fisher's mind when he saw that thing about to
get blown.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Up, when he saw it unravel and the game was over. Yeah,
the first thing I bet he thought was, oh my god.
Bill Belichick is a consultant and he's watching this game earnestly,
and I just called the time out to run that

(32:05):
and Belichick had to watch that. I bet that's the
first thing. And you could throw Pete Carroll in there
as well, because I think I think the more you
know about football, I think the more you're just apoplectic.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
We'll move on. The Seahawks get a win. I got
four and a half minutes here if that, Hugh. So,
I'm just gonna say this thirty three of forty four
three twenty seven A touchdown for Geno Smith. They only
scored six points combined in the third, fourth and overtime periods,
but they got a win. But a lot of people
throw on a lot of this is a humill in
term bouquets Gino Smith. What were your thoughts on him yesterday?

(32:41):
I think well deserved, I said this morning. I think
that if you just asked me off the cuff Gino's
best games as a Seahawks, I would have said Detroit
in twenty twenty two, at New Orleans in twenty twenty two,
at Detroit last year, that'd be the first thing. The
three things that come to mind.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I mean, the Denver game in his first game was
a a good first half, very sluggish second half, and
and there was the best of coverages by Denver. So
the three that I mentioned would be three. This one
would be probably the best I've seen him in terms
of of I'm just tipping my hat to him in

(33:18):
the pocket, standing in there, throwing out of a wine barrel,
every freaking down, everything caving in on him, and when
he needed to be impervious to it, he was when
he needed when when there wasn't an opportunity, and he
as a sack was imminent. He got out of there

(33:38):
with speed. He kept his eyes up. You know, one
time he runs, one time he throws a nice comeback
out to the sideline. His his If you just graded
him in the pocket and just ignored what happened with
the football after left his hand, you'd given immensely high grade.
I just thought he was terrific. And you know, he
started the game with a sprint out to the right.

(34:00):
That was his first pass, and you could see just
he ripped it to DK like he was clenching his teeth,
and and it ended with a sprint right where Jackson
Smith and jig Ben DK clearly busted the communication. They
run the wrong routes. So now Gino runs back to
his left, fine, you know, totally off script. Now finds
Tyler Lockett for sixteen yards on a busted play. And

(34:23):
when I mean busted play, as I as I said
that those guys ran the wrong route, and so you know,
it just culminated it was. It was just a terrific game.
And with no running game and the way they are protecting,
I would say, and it is certainly in a top
handful of the best games I've seen him play.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Of course he found Tyler Lockett. That's what happens, That's
what they do. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
He's Tyler Lockett's got great instincts off script. But you
know Jackson Smith and Jigba, you know, he's getting a
good feel for playing off script as well. I mean
coming back to the ball find in the open area,
being you know, an easy read. I mean he he was.
He was not on the same page with Drew Locke
last year on about four or five times. And I'm

(35:06):
watching both sideline and ins and I'm like, if I'm
Drew lock I would have thrown in the exact same place,
Like what are you doing Jackson Smith and jig but
like like you know, bend it into the middle or
or or pull your corner out to the sideline like
there was some mistakes, or sit down in the hole.
Don't keep running through a hole in zone like he
was making mistakes last year. He's apparently had a big

(35:27):
vault in terms of his just awareness. I don't know
if it signs of coaching or him just feeling more
comfortable in your two, but it's it's it's it's good
for all of us to see.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, we don't have time today, but next week I
want to do I do want to talk next week
about the offensive line. If we're just real, give me
ten seconds on this. If if we're in the old
days of you know, like someone's going to attack your country.
I hate to go down that road, but just you know,
are we.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
In a everybody can understand analogous parts of analogy?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So are we in a code yellow, court cold, code
orange or a code red? With that offensive line?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Well, well you got to get the running back back yet,
but but yeah, I mean, we talked about it. It's
the dead last lowest paid offensive line. They're thirty second
in their offensive line expenditures after being thirtieth a year ago.
And this is a really good football team absent of them,
and you know, across the board, I mean, I love

(36:19):
twenty one, man, I love me some twenty one. Just
you know, we could do a whole segment on him
and some other things. And I'll tell you what. There
was a hit that that race on Jenkins put They
tried to insert a running back on him, And you
want to talk about just draw it's not a running backs,

(36:40):
I'm sorry, a wide receiver on what's called a duo
play where you're trying to get double teams and race
on Johns just knocked him over like a straw man
at a pumpkin patch and just freaking said, now that
is freaking violent football. So you know, Now he had
some other mistakes and all, but this is a good
football team and they got a I love the juice

(37:00):
that Witherspoon brings in his versatility. Oh, I just want
to talk about this guy to Seahawk fans and get
him as excited about Witherspoon as I am. So there's
tons of just still talk about. I mean, guy was
playing middle linebacker running Tampa two. I said, is he
the middle linebacker running Tampa two?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (37:20):
What are you gonna ask this guy to do? You know,
I mean, bring gatorade to the offense?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Like but but the offensive line, but the offense is beautiful.
All right, we gotta go next week after after that Apple, Thanks, buddy,
I appreciate that's you. Millan be on the station throughout
the week as well. Don't forget the roundtable, the morning
show coming up on Thursday. We'll come back. Yes the
Mariners still in it? Yes or no? We'll find out.
Mollywopping next.

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(38:15):
division legue. We'll talk more about that in just a
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They are on standby right now. Sounders one yesterday as
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a starting quarterback right now, at least for now, as
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coach Dave Canalis, who's the head coach there. That's a
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(38:39):
Monday Night football, right here on ninety three point three
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and Fain top twenty five college football rankings are out,
Arizona drops out of the ap pole they got smoked
by k State. Arizona and Washington drop out of the
Coach's poll. Washington State the second team out after ill

(39:00):
so Washington beating Washington even helps get in the top
twenty five to three and A really tell us about that,
think of your opponent. I guess that's what it does.
Let's get to the molliwop.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
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(39:33):
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Speaker 2 (39:38):
Go on molliwop Monday on this Monday, and we continue
mollywopping on mondays. Why because despite the headlines of the
weekend that included, of course, a Seahawks overtime win to
go to and zero Gino Smith being really good in
that game, despite the fact that the Apple Cup back
to its rightful home and maybe forever. According to Jake Dicker,

(39:58):
it's like, you know something we don't that Washington's gonna
buy their way out of the game next year. Anyway,
is despite all that going on. Hey, by the way,
the baseball team, they're still in it sort of. I
guess Andrews is gonna shake his head.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
Ah.

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(40:33):
They're not very good this year. Well we'll talk about
that as well, but as always, we start with some
opening comments from the week that was. Nathan Bishop fire away.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
You know what's so funny is I feel like this
past I guess it's kind of an eleven game stretch,
wherever all these endpoints are so arbitrary in one hundred
and sixty two game season, pick which one that makes
your argument sound good. But I feel like the team
playing better and getting something that resembles, I don't know,
decent offensive production over the past week or so has
really kind of reminded me about how basically every single

(41:06):
Mariners game they have the starting pitching matchup, like almost
every single game, and that it really just comes down
to will the offense be adequate, And for the past week,
the offense has been fairly adequate. Finally, you've gotten like
they've actually timed up two to three hot streaks simultaneously
for what feels like the first time all year, with
Victor Roblos, Julio Rodriguez, and Randy of Roserena playing really

(41:29):
well and to a lester extent, Cal Rawley and Luke Raley.
Actually Luke Raley not to a lesterer extent. He's been
hitting the heck out of the ball for a couple
months now, so I don't think it's gonna be enough
we might just finish ahead of the Detroit Tigers, though,
So that's really cool, But I don't know. It's fun
that it matters. It's fun that it's gonna matter this week.
The odds are long, but you know, we're not done yet,

(41:54):
and I guess that's a nice thing. Is the best
way that I can put it. And hopefully I have
a much more realistic conversation about this in a week,
because if they do the same thing for another week
and actually put together back to back weeks of competent offense,
which I don't think they've done all season long, then
we could have potentially a really fun conversation about a
really exciting finish to the end of the season.

Speaker 9 (42:16):
Mister Crawford, was an interesting sports week just because you
saw you saw the Seahawks play on the East Coast
and win a game. You saw the Mariners play a
team in the central time zone in Seattle and win
a series, and you saw the Huskies loose to a
Mountain West team hold for a plus Okay, uh.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Still holding, still holding.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
I really laughed thinking about that, and then.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Chris had the option to make that joke.

Speaker 10 (42:43):
You did have that option, and it came up on
the short side as well.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Weird, weird, nice Jed well, Jed. You know what, that
might be his new handle instead of Chris Crawford. It
might just be Jed option Jed.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (42:59):
Well for Florida in a year. I hope.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
This is just a time of what if, man, Like
what if the Seattle Mariners had played better to make
that weekend series against Texas, which was a lot of fun.
I think I was the only person watching, to be
completely honest with you, but it was a lot of
fun to watch this team look good, to look like
a really competent team, to watch Julio Rodriguez play like

(43:24):
a superstar. Yes, played like a superstar. We didn't see
it enough this year, and unfortunately, the odds are still
very much not in their favor. They are going to
have to be absolutely a wagon over these final twelve games,
and every time I feel like they can do that,
they come back down to earth.

Speaker 10 (43:44):
Outside of one stretch.

Speaker 9 (43:46):
In June, they've really not been able to back that up.
But it was fun to watch, and it was a
nice reminder of the future. Like as frustrated as we are,
as frustrated as we should be, there's a lot of
core pieces here. There are a lot of really good
players on the Seattle Mariner team. It's just not good
enough right now, and it's frustrating that that's the case
after twenty three years.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Chris Craft or Nathan Bishop. It is Molly What Monday,
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He's part of the group. Chat Anders thoughts on the
week that was we.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Should just wear the city connects every game. Now I
think we're like fifteen and one in them this year,
which is crazy to think about.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
And I'm I'm glad they.

Speaker 10 (44:36):
Find say again, by the way, just let's start.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
No, no, that's a happy news to interrupt with. That's perfect.
But yeah, no, I'm glad they made the adjustment and
we're like, all right, let's ride this. Even if it's
probably this little cosmetic thing that doesn't really make a difference,
it can sometimes right where players are just like, all right,
we're riding this wave. The organization is behind us, and
I think, like you know, we're going all in and

(45:01):
finish the rest of this year, but I still don't
think it matters. Unfortunately, Houston has a pretty light schedule
to finish their season and the wildcard.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Once again.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Detroit's been just as good in the past week as
the Mariners, so it's not like they've gained any ground
at this point. So and Detroit's not even in a
wild card spot, so it's tough to really see a
place where this ends up making a difference. But I'm
happy they're still keeping us interested at this point. So yeah,
I just want to see a little bit more. Hopefully
they can have a hot week here.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Edward snaps back every time we joke around the studio
or anything like that, Hey, they're still in it, he
snaps back. Now, let me just ask that question. We'll
go around the horn. Chris will start with you. Are
they still in it?

Speaker 9 (45:41):
Yeah, Yeah, they're still in it. It's just by math,
but it is absolutely possible. It's your three wins back.
You are three wins back in Minnesota's got some tough
games coming up, and I still think the Detroit Tigers
are kind of come back down to earth at some
point plus you have three games against the Ascros and
if you can have some help from some other teams,
you're still absolutely in this.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I bet the Tigers are thinking the same thing as
are the Twins. Yeah, right, I bet. But you know,
I mean I still kind of like this roster better
than those ones. Uh, Nathan, are they still in it?

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (46:13):
I mean the twenty nineteen Mariners, which were just an
abomination of baseball one thirteen of their first fifteen games
and a small sample size, anything can happen. I think realistically,
if you want to put a number on the next
two weeks, I think they need to go nine and
three and get some help. So that's where they need
to be. But hey, man, are they a great team?

Speaker 5 (46:31):
No?

Speaker 8 (46:31):
Absolutely not. Are they good enough to go nine and
three over a random twelve game streak, Absolutely they can.
So yeah, they're they're in it. I mean, whatever they can,
they can do it.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Nathan, When we say in it, I should have probably
have been more specific. The numbers say Wildcard. You know,
they're two games better in the Wildcard than they are
in the Al West. Where is that where they have
a better chance or is it catching Houston with the
three games?

Speaker 8 (46:53):
Well, I think the fact that it's just them in Houston.
If I and they get three games against Hughes, I
think I gotta go division. They don't have the tiebreaker
with anybody in those wildcard races. I think Detroit ends
with three against the White Sox, which is basically just
you know, at worst, series win probably this week. So

(47:14):
I think it's gonna come down to the division. It's
probably gonna come down and he could be over before
the Houston series if they have a flat week this week.
But if they have a good week, it's probably gonna
come down to three games in Houston, which admittedly could
be a lot of fun. That could be a really
really fun series. So I do think they are technically
in it, but I would keep an eye on the division,
and as Jim Unior said, screw the wildcard anyway. It

(47:34):
would be really fun to actually win the AO West.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Andrews Division or Wildcard Division.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
For me, like basically echoing what Nathan said, I just
think because you're just competing with one team and you're
hoping that one team has those results that happen besides
the ones that you're having, that's gonna be the most
likely scenario. I think just be within three games by
that final series there and just hope for a chance
at that point. So yeah, I don't think they're necessarily
in it. I've always gone by the eye test when

(47:59):
I I've told you, like, hey, they're not actually in it,
Like this team doesn't look like a playoff team. I
will say that's changed slightly in this past week. The
pitching's kind of gotten back on track. I am scared
that we don't have Luis Castillo once every five days.
That's something that really really helped us. Emerson Hancock looked
like a big difference, and we kind of saw why
this pitching staff is as good as it is, because

(48:21):
just a slight drop off can make a big difference.
But this offense has been good. Victor Robust has been
one of the best players on this team, probably the
best hitter since July, which is crazy to think about.
Julio's finally turning into that superstar that we hoped he
could be, and maybe not turning into it, but like
he's showing that that's what he can be. And I
think he really needed that home run on what was

(48:42):
it Friday Night?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, Chris in it wildcard or Ale West, Yeah in it.

Speaker 9 (48:47):
Like I said, but I actually do think wildcard just
because I'm looking at the Tigers here. They've got three
against Kansas City, three against Baltimore, and then you know
they do win with the White Sox, but three against
Tampa Bay and they you know, even though they're not
a great team, they play everybody hard. And then I
look at Minnesota, they got four against Cleveland, Cleveland trying
to win that division. I think the wild cards a
little bit more likely, just because you guys make great

(49:09):
points about them only having Houston head and those three
games against them, but that's just so many games. It's
basically five games back with twelve to go for the
Seattle Mariners. It just seems a little too hard for me.
I think the wild card is a little bit more likely.
That's disappointing. Beggars cannot be choosers, get in hope for
the best, and you haven't gotten it enough to be
disappointed with being a wildcard.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
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it's I think, you know, we kind of get this
football mode at the time of year three against the
Yankees starting tomorrow at home, then they hit the road,
they go to the Rangers over the weekend for three.

(49:51):
I don't think those are gimmes. I think with what
happened yesterday, Jonaheim and that's a prideful group they you know,
defending World Series champs. I think even though they might
hate Houston with every fiber of their being, they don't
want Seattle to go in there and be in a
race and and take care. I just that's that will
be a team that will give a blank you know
against them. And then and then a week from today

(50:13):
is when the series that we're all talking about starts.
Astros Mariners for three starting next Monday, a week from today,
for three games that will really flat out determined, yes
or no. I mean it's just really probably that simple. Uh,
maybe the division is decided by them. If they lose
two or three to the Yankees, who knows. Maybe by
then it's it's a little bit hard. But we'll see
with that week, all right, Chris twenty seven up, twenty

(50:35):
seven down more or less. Yesterday the minimum was faced
one hitter by the quartet leading led by Kirby, which
is great. I don't even want to I should care
about that more, I don't because pitching's good, It's been
good all year. More importantly, the offense is come alive
a little bit, not always, because they'll still throw up
a goose egg every now and then. What's the difference offensively?

Speaker 10 (50:56):
You know?

Speaker 9 (50:57):
I think number one moving Victor Roblez back to the
top of the line was a big part of that.
All due respect to my son JP Crawford, who had
a fantastic twenty twenty three season, he just hasn't been
good enough in twenty twenty four. Like the approach, he's
not swinging up pitches outside his own, but he's not
making nearly enough hard contact. Not that he was ever
like a baseball Samont Darling in that stat but he's

(51:17):
not getting on base at nearly enough to hit justify
pitting at the top, having Victor Roblaz at the top,
having Julio at two, even though Anders and I both
are Julio at leadoff savants we want that to happen
so badly as what I want to see long term.
But that top five right now is a legitimate Major
League Baseball top five. It is a legitimate could be

(51:37):
competing for titles. Top five not quite as good, but
when you combine it with the pitching, it can be
one of those guys having that at the top of
the lineup. And then Luke Rayley has knock gotten enough credit. Man,
this guy has been one of the best hitters in
baseball since the start of August. Now he's also was
one of the worst hitters in baseball in April, and
he was one of the worst hitters in baseball in June.
There have been highs and lows with Luke Rayley, but

(51:59):
right now he's on one right now. And they've also
completely lemoned jam and said you can't hit left handed pitching.

Speaker 10 (52:04):
We're not going to try to have you hit left
handed pitching.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
And that's okay because you've gotten some guys who can
be okay against Safti's in that regard, that's have been
a big difference. Victor Roblez, the signing of Jerry Depoto's regime,
the best signing free agent that he has made and
it's not even close. And on top of that, you
have Luke Rayley playing at that level. It's made a
huge difference. And oh, by the way, Julio Rodrigue is
playing like Julio Rodriguez.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
Nathan, Yeah, I was just thinking about hanging a banner
that said legitimate top five hitters in a lineup from
T Mobile And what an accomplishment that is.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
My god, I think that we're.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
I think you're seeing just kind of for the second
straight season. I feel like what we're seeing here is
a team that broke camp with a horrifically flawed positional group.
You can I'm not even looking to grind an ax here. Like,
there's just huge holes in the opening day lineups for
the last two seasons with the Seattle Mariners, and they
have spent the entire higher first half of the season

(53:01):
basically trying to cope, manage, and get through those holes
and figuring out how best to plug them in. And
then both this year and last year you've seen them
find and whether that's an addition like Victor Robless or
simply the substract as the excuse me, the subtraction of
a player like Colton Wong from the lineup, or I
hate to say it, a guy like Mitch Haniger from

(53:23):
this year's lineup. You're just seeing. I think there's more
positives in the lineup now than there was at the
beginning of the season. But more importantly, I think there's
fewer negatives. There's just fewer black holes in the lineup
one through nine right now. And you really, to Chris's point,
I'm making fun of this whole, like, hey, we have
like a semi legitimate major league lineup with this pitching,

(53:46):
which was Chris's point. With this pitching, all you need
is not terrible, what you need is adequate, And I
think that's what the Mariners offensively right now kind of are.
When you have you look at that lineup group. If
Victim Robust is for and it's increased, I have been
very skeptical, it's increasingly appearing that he is for real.
There are not a ton of holes in this lineup.

(54:07):
You've got third base, shortstop, and second base and DH
which sounds like a lot, but there were like two
legitimate hitters in this lineup for the first half of
the season. So I think that you're seeing just the
time allowing them to find adequate replacements for the incredible,

(54:30):
just amazing levels of mistakes that they've made for the
second offseason in a row, trying to construct a lineup.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, and I think I think it should be pointed
out too, is going to I think I met I
met him. I might have mentioned this even last week.
As recent is last week, I think it was. It's
it's massively frustrating as you're going through that because on paper,
it should not be what it is offensively all year.
It's a cumulative season. We are told that by I mean,
baseball guy tells us that, Andrews right, Baseball guy tells

(54:56):
us not to care about games in April and May.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Yeah, early what they say, it's early.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, it's so we're not supposed to care. But it
is a cumulative season. And the cumulative part of it
is it's been an absolute trash offense all year. Now
they get hot every now and then early June. Now
right now they're getting a hot again. That's at some
point it's not on the approach, it's not on the
front office, it's not on Scott's service, it's not on one.

(55:21):
I mean, I don't think there's Chris you can tell me,
is there a team that goes through hitting coaches more
than this team? This organization. I mean, it just happens
on a weekly basis. Right, at some point, it's on you,
the athlete. Like, at some point, it's on you the
athlete and all of you guys, I know, we want
to just bowt the at the altar of Julio. That's
on you, dude, Yeah, that's on you. Be a big boy,
like be better, ralely, be more consistent, rolls, no complaints

(55:43):
whatsoever with you. You got cast aside by the Nationals and
you're having an all star, you know, career with Seattle.
Good for you. But at some point it's on you, guys,
the athletes, and and they have if this thing falls
short this year, Like I want to blame the potal
like everybody else does. And that's an easy guy to blame.
And he has a horrible offseason the last two years,
there's no doubt about that. But there were enough players

(56:05):
with the track record Mitch Garver talking to you that
you guys, and I don't care about your three run
home run yesterday, very Richie Sex and like seven nothing win.
You know, at some point it's on the athletes, Chris
at some points on them they've underachieved this season, not
just the front office, which is the easy one to blame.

Speaker 9 (56:23):
Sure, yeah, And I wanted to bring up, by the way,
and this is has something to do with your point.

Speaker 10 (56:28):
It's just something I wanted to make sure I got
out there.

Speaker 9 (56:31):
You know a lot of people and you know Twitter
is not real life, but a lot of people have
you know what died to me about Julio Rodriguez this
year not being a clutch baseball player. And I just
wanted to give two stats, real quick, yep. In light
and close situations this year, Julio Rodriguez is hitting three
oh four three sixty eight, four sixty four with three homers.

Speaker 10 (56:53):
He's also stolen six bases.

Speaker 9 (56:56):
In high leverage situations, Julio Rodriguez is hitting three twenty six,
three point ninety four fifty four with three homers, and
he's added eight stolen bases. Look, we have seen Julio
Rodriguez fail in those situations because it's baseball.

Speaker 10 (57:13):
Baseball is a game of failure.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
The very best players fail fifty percent of the time
in unreal seasons and fail sixty to seventy more percent
more time. If you're not Barry Bonds, Julio Rodriguez has
been a very strong performer in late situations. We just
don't remember that because we choose to put our failures

(57:35):
on the superstar. We choose to put the onus on
Julio Rodriguez. We choose not to remember the guys who
failed before him and be after him because we have
unreal and unrealistic expectations for a twenty three year old.
But those numbers right there tell you that Julio Rodriguez
has come up clutch a lot. And those are not

(57:57):
career stats. That is twenty twenty four his worst season.
Julio Rodriguez is going to be a four to four
and a half win player with unreal defense and above
average offense. And he's absolutely got it done in late
situations a lot more than he's gotten credit.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Well maybe more than a month.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
But but but let me point out again, like, has
he had a good year overall?

Speaker 10 (58:19):
It's been in It's been a pretty disappointing season.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Okay, But I'm with you uneratively, I will listen. The
numbers don't and I if if I'm sitting there as
a Mariner fan and there's a late game situation, I
want him up. Sure, even if there's a chance he'll
fall over, you know, into the batter's box in the
left side of the plate, I still want him up
because of all of what you just said. I think
he embraces, Nathan. I think that's what I like. I think, Nathan,

(58:44):
he embraces the moment. I'm not sure how many guys
on that team embrace that moment and cherish that moment.
You know, the big talk in town is what Gino
did yesterday. You know, Gino Smith for all his flaws,
and I think I put Gina Gino's never going to
be a superstar of Julio's potential calibers. Julio's not there yet,
but you know, embraces those moments, and I think Julio
does as well. Nathan. I don't think they have enough

(59:04):
guys to do embrace that moment.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
I think an important aspect too, of what you were
talking about, Ian is that if you talk to the
Mariners like say this this these next two weeks play
out and they fall short, which is the likely outcome.
If you were to talk to them about what went wrong,
they would have the same mindset that you just expressed.
They would say I didn't perform well enough, I didn't
I underachieved. They're not going to be talking about the

(59:27):
front office didn't help us enough, or you know, we
got unlucky, or just you know, it wasn't our year
or something like that. They're going to put that mirror
right on themselves and take responsibility for their own failure.
That is the athlete's mindset. It is not about external factors.
You control it, and so when you fail, they are
absolutely going to say I was not good enough. And

(59:49):
that's true. I mean, look, if Julio this is and
it's not just Julio, but he is the flashpoint of
this organization.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
He is the guy.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
So that's like he is the Seattle Mariners, the face
of this organization at the current time. If he has
the kind of season that he thinks he should have
had this year, the Mariners are right there for a
playoff spot right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:00:11):
Is that fair as a fan for me to expect
that from Julio. No, but Julio would say that he
should have had a vastly superior season and then the
one that he's had. That doesn't mean he's not clutch.
That doesn't mean that he's a bad player. That doesn't
mean that his contract sucks or anything like that, or
that he still can't be like the four time al MVP,
because he is that talented that he could do it,
but it's just not been a great year for him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
All Right. As always, you guys are very long winded
and going along, so we need to wrap this thing up.

Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
You've got you've got to You've got a parade to go.

Speaker 10 (01:00:39):
Be the Grand Marshall Lover or something. Two of us
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, all right, all right, final
thoughts the week ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
They gotta go.

Speaker 8 (01:00:48):
They gotta go like six and one, man, like, excuse me,
five and one. They got to go like five and
one this week. They gotta win the series against the
Yankees and then sweep the Rangers. There's just I don't
care how you do it. You just gotta win, all right,
And where can we find you? Hang out with me
on X really cool website. Lots of smart people saying
lots of smart stuff at Nathan Underscore, h Underscore B.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Chris Crawford aka Coach Jed. What do we got there?

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
We gotta go? They gotta go five and one they
have to sweep one of these series. They probably have
to sweep two series to be completely honest with you,
of these final four, but definitely one of these has
to happen over this next week. You can find me
on Twitter at Crawford Underscore MiLB and you can find
my YouTube channel my oy recapping every Mariner game and
recapping every Seahawk game as well.

Speaker 10 (01:01:34):
So I would really appreciate you checking that out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Go check that out. Mile White gets the night off tonight.
Mariners back in action tomorrow against the Yankees Anders. I'll
talk to you in a couple of minutes because you're on there,
no matter. Yeah, all right, that's Chris, that's Nathan. That's
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Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
If you could just say freeze. You can either snap
the ball and run that play, but it's got to
be a speed option. You can't have a check, and
we'll talk about a check that should have been implemented
to the play. You can either run the speed option
against that look, or you can take a five yard
penalty and rerack and go fourth down and six goal

(01:02:40):
from the sixth one play and you can just huddle
up and just drop a whole new deal. If you
just went win probability, I am dead ass certain that
you would have had a better win probability to take
the five yard penalty rerack on fourth and goal from
the six then to try and run that play against
that front on that hash. I'm not trying to impute

(01:03:03):
impune Jedfish as a coach. I'm impugning Jedfish and his
entire mechanism and thought process and everything involved with that play.
That doesn't mean he won't be great. For all, I
know he's gonna be Bear Bryant. Uh. But on that play,
that was that was really, really really our Washington Husky

(01:03:25):
getting our ass handed to us. From a coaching standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
It's been a long time since I enjoyed a SoundBite
that much, especially the last five seconds of it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
It's just glitter falling on my face right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
You got to have all that, you gotta have all
that's humil Listen, let me just a couple of things
I want to say, and I'll open up the floor
here for a second before we get to Eddie Oulchek
coming up at one today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
The the the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Thing with with sports and football and rivalries especially, it's
just the raw emotion, the raw motion of everybody involved.
Is it. You're gonna have half the people thrilled, half
the people sideways upset. Trust me, I know what. Grady
Gross kicking that field goal last year was a gut
punch and we felt it a few times. Whatever, But
I will I wanted to play that from Hugh not

(01:04:13):
just to rub well, okay, to rub it in a
little bit, but because I'd be lying if I didn't
say that, especially the last part of it. But I
also want to play because that's that's Hugh Millin. That's
a guy that's that's able to tell you what went
wrong and why it went wrong. Washington got out coached,
they got school, they got taken to the woodshed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Like if all I heard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Last week was how we're a big ten team and
lack of resources, and you guys are you know it's
the big skies, the big sky, the big sky. Well,
Jake Dickert did something to you guys and his staff
that guys with the last name of Belichick and Carol
couldn't do and Fish same thing. The bad news is Washington,

(01:04:57):
you keep having performances like that. He will have to
stick around for a while. He ain't going to go
to Florida when they found Napier, which they will do
because they already bought him out. They've got the money
on the table to buy him out of Florida. Do
you think you think that's a good resume piece for that. No,
on our note, because I care about us more than.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Them, Uh huh. And that what Jake dicker said, It's
about us, not.

Speaker 7 (01:05:18):
Them, and he yeah, and he's been consistent with that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
It's about us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yes, Listen, that doesn't cure all the ills of where
our school is and the challenges it faces. What it
does tell you is, and this has been the case
since Jim Walden upset the Huskies in nineteen eighty two,
since Mike Price did it on a number of occasions
and took the team to two Rose Bulls Bill Doba

(01:05:43):
in two thousand and seven, coming here and doing the
same thing, Alex Brink winning a couple of Apple Cups
along the way, and of course Dickert now having two
Apple Cup wins to his credit. We don't have the
same resources, we don't have the same recruiting base. We
do more with less. It's a great way to do.
It's cougarway. I love that way.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
It would be nice to be a top twenty five
perennial team every year. That'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
That'd be really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
We're not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
But what it does show, but it does show, whether
we're in the PAC two, the PAC six, the PAC twelve,
the Mountain West, or wherever the hell we are, it
shows that they can get some things done that are
pretty damn impressive that most schools with our budget and
our operating expenses don't get done. And I love that
about our school. I was the first to admit, one

(01:06:30):
hundred percent I wanted no part of this game this year.
I just didn't the emotions back in August of twenty
twenty three through the fall of last year, and I
can't remember when they announced they were going to play
the series, those emotions. I just was done with Washington.
You go, do you in the Big Ten. We'll do
us wherever we end up, you know. Listing to Dickert

(01:06:50):
last week, Yes, I was out of town. I know,
I was never going to plan on going to that game.
After Dickert came on the show last week, I was like, damn,
now I'm feel guilty because I can't go to the game.
And I couldn't because my kid is my priority, period,
end of story. But what we saw Saturday was just
the best about rivalries, the pure emotion, the underdog.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Winning a game. Team we wanted it more one, the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Team that wanted it more one, the team that it
meant more to one. The forty kids on that roster
for Washington State that are from our state. They know
what it means and that that was damn cool. We
got like ten seconds go fire, Yes, something. I was
just gonna say, when did it become a bad thing
to want it more? Because everyone was like, oh, the Coops,
it means way more to the coups. Because because that
I'm gonna give you one word, condescending. That's the condescending

(01:07:36):
attitude that some people, including some on this station, they have.
And it's also a way too, it's also a way
to kind of shod, kind of gloss over the fact
that you weren't very good and you're not as good
as this football team. Now. That's and so that condescending
tone which some on this station have. And if you
think I'm talking about Softy, you're wrong, but some on

(01:07:58):
this station have that tone, and a lot of Husky
fans have that tone. That's their way to gloss over
the fact that, as Hughes said, they got their ass kicked. True,
that's that's you know, that's that's how you do it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
And if you listen to Jake dickerd after that game,
he cried on my shoulder after the game, and the
first words out of his mouth were I love these
guys so much. We were not on the air. He
wasn't saying that in front of a camera. He wasn't
saying it into my microphone. He was saying it to
me as someone who I consider a friend. And that's
how he honestly felt after the game. Was that these

(01:08:33):
guys deserve this, and he loves them so much that
he was overcome with emotion because they got what they deserved.

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Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
YEAHI the Rookies just finished their tour down in California.
The main camp starts on Thursday, and media stuff on Wednesday,
and first preseason game, which you can hear on KJR,
is a week from Sunday. Or are we from yesterday?
I should say on the twenty second And for what
ADDIE's mentioned if you missed earlier, one of the things
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it gets in this business. On the play by play
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Shaw who does a terrific job with interviews and just
covering this team on a daily basis home and away
as our game reporter as well, and then myself and
Alison Lucan Lucan and then Linda Cohen all working on
the studio desk this year. Yeah, Linda Cohne is going

(01:12:09):
to come and do about fifteen games. So it's it's
really exciting. I'm honored, I'm thrilled. It's awesome. I'm very excited.
It's something i've it's my hometown, you know, my hometown,
and coming back here after doing it. Eddie knows this way,
so you know what it's like to ride the buses
and grind away in this sport. And I did it
for a lot of time. I didn't think this would
ever happen, but I'm to join you guys as a thrill.

(01:12:30):
You and Johnny and JT and Piper do such a
great job and I can only screw it up from here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Basically in the fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Flave or sixty game, here's the problem. There's all these
new whistles and bells and everyone's back. They're adding Linda,
who's a Broadcast Hall of Famer. The only thing that
can go wrong is the new studio television host, and
that would be yours truly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
So I'll do my best time.

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Well, you know what, look at it. Look at we
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I feel anyways is you know, there's I think I
think any fan base, but our fan base. I think
they appreciate the candor and the humility. And look when
you when you call a wrong name or you know,
the referee you think makes a bad call and it's
the right call, but one of our guys takes a

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bad penalty. Uh, you got to say it right, you
got you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Gotta own it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
And I think that that's what's gonna end up happening.
And uh like you guys, both you Linda great additions.
And I told my son Nick, who obviously was a
part of our broadcast the last couple of years, I said, yeah,
I just got to tell you, Nick, I think we
got the better end of this deal here. We shift
you off the Utah and we brought in Ian and Linda.
So another another winning trade by Ron Francis. Uh but no,

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I mean obviously going to miss seven in Seattle. I mean,
he loved it. There's so much but he got an
unbelievable opportunity to go and do what he wants to do.
He wants to do games and he's gonna get that
chance in Utah, and uh we wish him. Well, I'm
sure we're going to see him hopefully back in in
Seattle when the Utah Hockey Club comes to town or
we had the Utah So just looking forward to the

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season starting and looking forward to get back to town and
look at I think. I mean, my expectations are pretty high.
I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, you know,
share you know, my my heavy duty thoughts on this team.
But my expectations are pretty large for this team. And

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I'm looking forward to seeing the guys at camp and
just really excited about the season starting up on as
you mentioned, Ian on Wednesday with medicals and media and
then Thursday, you know, getting on the ice for the
first time and then seeing how coach Dan Bausman his
staff assessed his team and getting ready for the most
important time of year. And that'll be you know, right
off in early October when they play the first game

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of the National Hockey League season in the afternoon at
CPA is the same loose in town on that October
I believe it's October eighth as the home opener.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Well, I know what with the expectations, I would I
would add to that. In my short time being a
crack and employee, I know this. Everything is done first class.
Everything is done with one thing in mind, and that's
to be the very best at whatever you do on
the ice or off the ice. And I don't say
that people know me here. I'm I'm I'm far from
company guy normally, and so like when I mean that
when I say that, they didn't go out and spend

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that money on a couple of free agent acquisitions and
then investing in Veneers and toleven In to just kind
of sit back and hopefully, yeah, you know we're gonna
be okay, that's not the expectation. Bilesman is going to
come in with Stanley Cup pedigree. I'll leave you with
this just for the people watching on TV. Again, you
can watch it. You don't have to. You have to,
you know, get to subscribe to an upper tier and
a cable network and anything like that. That stuff's all

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gone with King Kong and everyone has Prime video. So
because everyone has Prime subscription, at least if you're married,
you do, and so exactly, so you've got all that.
I would add this, when you know you are you
are welcome draft exactly? I would I would say this,

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you could, you can speak to this because we had
a meeting last week. When people turn the games on
and get a big shout out to Ryan Shaver and
Patrick Brown and Stu and and who am I missing?
I'm missing Scott Malone, Scotty these guys, they have grinded
the the appearance and you do national games, you know
what it's like. Graphics and a number of cameras and

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replay machines. John, I don't know, John ed So, I
don't think we're going to have a better broadcast in
the national hockey and local level. These guys have put
a ton into it. People are gonna love what they
see when they turn it on for the first time.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
Yeah, I mean you're right. I mean from the very
top of the organization, uh you know, down to us.
I mean, they're they're they're they want to be the
best every day. And as long as you're putting in
that bad effort and that passion is there, and whatever
happens happens. But like I said, losses are going to happen,
Mistakes are going to happen. But the heart is certainly
in the right area, and that's certainly right from the

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top to the bottom at the crack and in New yorkanization,
but you're right on the TV side. I mean, they
they they understand. You know, I think our fan base
and the game deserves a top level, top level broadcast
from not only the people that are presenting it, which
is us and take a lot of pride and responsibility

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in that ian, but then also to the behind the
scenes and the cameras and how we're going to present
the game, and you know, it's just it's it's very exciting.
And look, there's people are watching, right I mean, you know,
you know, and I've heard you talk about this. I'm shure.
I mean, the landscape of sports in general from how
it's being sent out is obviously changed in a in

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a major way. It's happened locally, obviously, and it's happened
in other markets. So you know, when you do take
it in, there's the expectations are there, and there's great
pressure there to put on they be entertained. We want
to entertain our fans regardless of what the score is. Yes,
we want to see a five to one brack and

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win every night, but we know that's not the case.
But we have to be able to present in a
way that we're talking to the die hard hockey fan,
the hockey fan that knows everything, or somebody that's maybe
tuning in and is trying to learn hockey one on
one and that and that is our goal each and
every night. And you know, the resources are there. And
I took my hockey homed to our to our team

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at all levels for being able to pull this off
and really and as you know, in a in a
really short period of time to be able to get
these deals together and then work with the partners. But
it just speaks to I think the respect that this
franchise has in a very short period of time in
the MTY.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
My friend, thank you, look forward to working with you
this year, look forward to joining this incredible team of
this night. Yeah, we'll see in a couple of days
that Tody old Check joining us. We've got to take
a break, come back, Mike Sandal coming up next.

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Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
So i'mmer calling it Dave Canalis's first big boy decision
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Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Carol think that was one hundred percent his decision.

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But that's okay. We're getting credit for it as well.
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Is that the cookers or the Huskies.

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Course, Yeah, got that little, that little spunky, little team
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Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Mike Sando joining us. I didn't mention in the headlines.
We have a Monday night football game tonight, Philadelphia Eagles
playing host to the Atlanta Falcons. Five point fifteen kickoff.
You can hear the game right here on ninety three
point three KJRFM. Hi, Mike, how are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Thoughts quickly on tonight's game. It's and I was just
mentioning this to Andrews in the in the break a
second ago. It's like, it kind of feels like Philadelphia
should handle Atlanta. And then, as Andrews pointed out, do
we really know what's going on through two weeks in
the National Football League? So I'll ask Mike Sander the expert,
what's going to happen tonight?

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Yeah? For really, do you know? I'm in just to
watch Atlanta because they were kind of a confounding team
with the way they played last week. Is you know,
a new offense for Kirk Cousins and they really had
him kind of in one spot. They played a ton
of pistol snaps. They were a little bit different. He's
usually kind of been sometimes somewhat under center play action quarterbacks.
So you know, how well does this offense to them?

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They couldn't block TJ. Watt in their first game, which
a lot of people can't, So we'll see how they
do against the Eagles, who have some guys up front too.
I think it's more about, you know, what his cousins
look like in that offense? He is he going to
be good in it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
How do you how do you think Barkley Saquon Barkley
fits in that Eagles offense?

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
I think he fits great. I think he's a really
good player. The question, you know, the reason the Giants
didn't sign him, which looks terrible now, but it's really
a longer term decision of is he going to be
there every week? The whole year throughout the year as
a running back who's, you know whatever, twenty six or
seven years old and has had some injuries in the past.
But I think as long as he's playing, he's a

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game plan considered and just a really good player. A
nice addition for them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
You wrote about it today, the trade that was made,
not trade effectively, but just the flipping of guys because
JJ McCarthy goes in the first round of Minnesota. That
comes as we see the aforementioned Kirk Cousins going to Atlanta,
who will see tonight and a nice little win because
with McCarthy hurt. Wow. How about what Sam Donald has

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done so far?

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
Yeah, it's been great. It's been great for them, and
I think I was waiting to see install only two games.
Their defense is played great. That's a big reason why
they're two and zero. I think Sam Donald has two
passes attempted this year well trailing, So there's We're gonna
learn a lot more about Sam Donald as the year
goes on. But I think they were an interesting team
because Kevin O'Connell, their coach, has had a good reputation

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as an offensive coach and play caller. But I think
it's a totally different challenge inheriting Kirk Cousins, who's a
finished product and knows.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
How to play.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
And it's been pretty good, not great, but pretty good
in different teams for a long time. I think it's
harder to coach somebody who's less established or not as
good or right, That's that's where you really as a coach,
you have to earn your money. So I think it's
a very encouraging start for Darnold. They're talented, hasn't always

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made good decisions and really hasn't been in a situation
like this where you know, they have pretty good offensive tackles. Right,
he's got a great receiver, and now this year they're
playing great defense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
It tells me, you know, it's as I look. You know,
you look around the NFL when you talk about some
of the coaches a second, but boy, if you're the
offensive minded head coach, you better have a hell of
a defensive coordinator and vice versa. And I think we're
seeing that because Ryan Flores probably should get a lot
of credit what's going on in Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
Yeah, it was an interesting hire, wasn't it to bring
him in? And it wasn't like he had some long
connection to Kevin O'Connell. But I think you have to
like the results. And it's interesting. They're two and zero
against the forty nine ers, so they've had a great
ski that's really given Rock Purdy and those guys some
problems for San Francisco. So huge, huge component the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Mike Sandel joining us here on the Beaconplumbing hotline. Pick
six columns up at the Athletic Theathletic dot Com. Let
me go through a couple of the teams, so we
just stay in the NFC West for a second, and
I'm gonna bang through the three teams and just get
Mike Santo slots through through two weeks. Let's start first.
We'll go alphabetical. Arizona. I'm I don't know about you.
I don't expect Sean mcvay's teams, no matter who's hurt,

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who's not, Aaron Donald Yas, I just don't expect to
see what happened to his team yesterday. Happened that was
that was stunning, what Arizona did to them. So let's
talk about Arizona. Kyler Murray his improvement getting a big
time wide receiver which he had in the past with Hopkins.
But but what's going on in Arizona, because that is
a good looking football team.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Well, they played Buffalo pretty competitively too, and were leading
in that game. I felt last year that they were
kind of a plucky, well coached, kind of schemed team
that was totally undermanned and they still only won like
four games. But they they you know, they beat Dallas,
They had some moments where they made it tougher on
some teams, and so I kind of liked some of
those early signs. And then you know, Kyler Murray has

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gotten such a bad rap for so long earned I mean,
he had the homework cause in his contract he had
knee injury. But I think when he's healthy, he presents
some issues if you have a good scheme for him.
And I do think Drew Petsing looks like a pretty
good offensive coordinator. So you know, it's one game. The
Rams are totally depleted, but I did think they were
a candidate to be a surprise team this year because

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of Murray being probably underrated.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
I look back at that when you're talking about Arizona,
I thought the same thing. Just I go back to
last year, the final game of the season, down at
State Farm Stadium, and the Seahawks went down there and
they needed help to get into the playoffs. They needed
to win, you know as well, first and foremost, and
that team played their butts off in that game. In fact,
they led until late Tyler Lockett getting the game winning

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game winner for Seattle, but it was twenty thirteen late
in game. They just don't go away. That's a tribute
to what's going on with the coaching staff. You know,
Kyler Murray has been so much said, you wrote about it,
you know, the whole like you can clause to study
and all that stuff in his contract. Arizona's no joke.
There're gonna be a problem this year for a lot
of teams in this division.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Yeah, well, well yeah, we'll see. It's a long year.
But I think that was super encouraging for them and
really scary for the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Well, let's talk about them for a second. That I
just get I'll go back, Mike. I don't think Sean
mcvay's teams don't get beat like that normally.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
What happened, well especially you think they have stafford too,
But I think that so you know, the people that
I know in the league who are predicting a fall
off for them. Were like number one on defense. Aaron
Donald is so incredible that he was propping up a
defense that really was, you know, had some good young
players but wasn't overly talented. And they lost Draheim Morris too,

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so they're breaking a new new defensive coordinator without Aaron Donald.
And then an offense offensive line's been decimated, and now
they've Pukaakua and Cooper Cup So really, Stafford's a good,
you know, drop back passing quarterback. But you start taking
away you know, their two best pass catchers, and take

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away as offensive line and take away Aaron Donald. I mean,
is there a breaking point? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
I think we've seen it. I think we started seeing
it yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Mike Sando joining us. Mike wrote about this today, how
much does coaching experience matter? Sort of or sort of not?
Because the Hardblob boys gave us an example one one
side and the other.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
So I love this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
I love looking at this sort of the thing I
was I was noticing that Jim and John Harbaugh. The
first thing I noticed was each head coach two hundred
and sixty games in the regular season in college and
pro as head coaches, and then it's even a higher
number when you go into playoff games. But think of
think of Jim Harbaugh with whatever, two hundred and sixty
games as the head coach going against Canalis with one.

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I just thought that was interesting. But I tip my
captain Antonio Pierce because he was coming off of a
tough game last week. He's coached ten games in the NFL.
Coming in he's going against John Harbaugh on the road.
Harbaugh two hundred and eighty two games coached, And really
it was it was the Raiders team in the fourth
quarter that was kind of poised and had a nice
drive late in the game and didn't screw up. So

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Antonio Pierce has six wins, three of them are over
Sean Payton, Andy Reid and now John Harbaugh. I don't
know how it's going to work out there, but I
thought that was pretty good for you know, you know,
when you think of all the things that go into
an operation, we know of one tenth of them, but
there's a lot of stuff that gets honed over time
to really make it a smooth situation in terms of coaching,

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and I think some of these mismatches you know, we
don't even think about like that, but it's it's an
uphill fight for some of these teams that have new
coaches or inexperienced haven't handled fourth quarters, haven't handled staff,
haven't handled situations and problems.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
So I think what I would find most surprising about
the Baltimore and Vegas game would be the fact that
John Harbaugh had his team kind of screwed up or
a bad pun on special teams. He's, of course a
former special teams coach. They're as good as it comes
on special teams. Or that Gardner Minshew was able to
beat Lamar Jackson. I'm trying and go Koog's, but I would.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I'm just like, everything about that game doesn't fit, Like,
nothing about that game fits. But that's early NFL, right, Yeah,
what would you have if somebody had just said, hey,
this is all legal, what would you have bet that
just the Ravens win?

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Straight up? I mean it was like a guaranteed win.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Everyone, like everyone who's listening right now, that's in a
survivor pool. And that's a big thing now, right that
destroyed about seventy percent of the nation yesterday because of
what you just because what you say, because most survivor
pools are just straight up and you know, you pay her,
you know, you pay your five dollars or whatever it
might be, your buddies, and it's just straight up. It's
usually not you know, uh, with any kind of odds,

(01:29:50):
but so straight up. That's I'm surprised I didn't pick it,
to be honest with you, because normally that's what.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
Yeah, what was yours?

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Did you?

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
Did you have one yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I had Houston, And I got a little nervous there
at the end of that game last night, so yeah,
I went with I went with. I mean, that was
a weird game too, like they just they you're moving
the ball and all this, and then it just turned
into this defensive battle and oh my goodness.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Mixon going out when I'm down by one point fantasy,
it was kind of bad. I know, it's fun, isn't
that fun? All these things make it fun when you're
followed in the game, whether some people are betting on
it or you got your fantasy thing going. You all
got your own little self interested things going.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
My kind of side note with that, I'm just curious
because for people that know Mike send out of the
athletic and you talked to executive not just coaches, but
executives and guys all roundly. We hear players a lot
of times saying, yeah, you know, screw you guys with
my our fantasy stuff, or some guys like it, you know,
like if they're doing a well, like hey, my my
fantasy guys are happy, what have you? But when when
you talk to executives, is there a realization in the NFL?

(01:30:50):
And I'm just going to generalize here that, Hey, the
one of the reasons you're so damned popular is because
so many people in this country are invested every Sunday
in little things like a survivor pool or fantasy foot I.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
Think they totally are because you can imagine their friends
and family are trying to get tips from them, like, hey,
who's a running back that you guys saw in pre
season that you know I should pick up? Which shoot?
When I used to do the podcast with Randy Neuer,
I would do that for guys. You know, I help
a couple of guys with their leagues, you know, and
I would I would feel, you know, hey, Randy, who
do you see and who did you see? The preseason,

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he was like he was seeing like, you know, he
saw a couple of guys too. You know, I saw
a couple of guys too that helped out. So yeah,
I'm sure those guys are always hearing it from their buddies.

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Who want a little bit of insight.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Is was dere Derek carrs had to be a free
agent in almost every league to start the season. Now,
look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Unbelievable. Yeah, I think that's I think they're just the
biggest surprise at the start of the season. I know
they played Carolina and the opener, so you put that aside,
but there's some real fundamentals they got after Dallas up front,
so good for them, and really Tampa in that division too.
I think a couple of frisky teams.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
OH and two has a really hard time making the playoffs.
Guess unless you're Cincinnati, because they seem to do that
every year. Right. But yeah, but of those all of
those O and two teams orbe Since or Baltimore, who
should be most worried right now?

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Yeah, I think the reason why you can overcome being
owen two is because you have a Joe Burrow or
Lamar Jackson right. That's just most of the teams that
start owing too are the Giants, right or Carolina? You
just don't have really the ability to do it. So
I would stick with those. Uh you know, if the
only two teams, I'm going with Cincinnati and Baltimore really
as the ones that have the quarterbacks to be able

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to get out of it right and make a run.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Is Have you been hearing rumblings around from executive around
the league? Does everybody want to make their way into
the AFC South asking for realignment right now where it's
Houston and everybody else is owing two?

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's hard to watch, I thought,
And the new coach in Tennessee, Brian Canlan, basically snapped
on his quarterback, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Tell people what he said that was. That was kind
of crazy. I was surprised by.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
Yeah, well so that the cameras captured him just lighting up.
Will let us after this terrible It was one of
those terrible plays where it's not just a turnover. It's
like you're going down to the ground and you just
try to desperately flip it up like in the school yard,
and it becomes a turnover and you lose a chance
to make a field goal and it really swings the game.
So you could see the coach just lighting them up.

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But then after the game, instead of saying, you know, hey,
that's between us. You know we're coaching them hard, he
basically is, yeah, it was dumb. He did the same
exact thing last week. You know, can't have it. It
was interesting, kind of a reveal on Brian Callaghan and
his coaching style. We'll see if that evolves, but usually,
you know, if you're going to jump them, it's more
of a that's between us thing, and you don't take

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it to the press conference.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Yeah, I was wondering between that and seeing that Jed
Fish just doubled down and said it was our last
play was poorly executed as supposed to saying yeah, that
was just a bad play call, which most football people
believe it was. It's coaches going after the players. You
don't see that as much.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
I love the whole play call thing. I love that,
but everybody says that, oh I like the decision just
to play call. Okay, Well you don't get everyone gets
a do over on the your best drives golf? Are
you when you take on Mulligan?

Speaker 6 (01:34:01):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
I think come on, I mean it doesn't. You don't
get that when you're playing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
So I love mulligan's myself, to be honest with you, Mike,
They're my favorite thing of golf. It's it doesn't happen often,
but you know, like you play in a tournament, you
can buy a couple mulligans. It's one of the greatest
things to have in your back pocket, better than life insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
I think you know, Dave Bowling got me out of
doing mulligans. I used to be one of those guys
a long time ago, back nine mulligan in front. He's like, no, no, no,
you got to know what your real score is. So
I became a golf purist where now my score went higher,
but I don't take the mollys.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
So yeah, but if you're playing in anything and you
get that higher held your handicapp which is a smart
move on your part.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Well I love those.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
I love those best balls. You just can you know,
it doesn't even matter where it's perfect for me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
And call me shocked that his bowling was the the
mister ethication exactly, mister.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Rules and the most rules follow in the history of
sports media.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
So now a days. One of the good guys out there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
We love him.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
He's never cheated in golf. I can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
I love that Mike Sando. The Athletic to Pick six
column is up right now. It's a great read, especially
if you're a Seahawk fan. You kind of you get
lost sometimes in your own Hey, we're watching Seahawks for
three hours. There's eight other games going on. Mike has
a great recap of all the important things going on
and the underlying storylines there as well with the pick
sticks calm go check it out at the Athletic dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Mike, thank you. We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Hey, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
That's Mike Sando joining us here on the Beacon Plumbing hotline.
All right, we'll check text I don't know if there's
any voicemails, voice texts you can check those as well.
All brought to you by Frost Brewed cores Light. If
we want to talk to us, that's brought to you
by that. And then of course to tell them you
text line when it's game time four five one. We'll
check some of those as well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Might be some angry Husky fans.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Oh that's too bad. Wow, let's see you. Uh no,
don't care. But if you're angry and you're a Husky fan,
I might read your text or listen to your voice
text as well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
I'll do that next

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