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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So a Seahawks night. We'll get to Greg co sales
coming into in transparency with Greg's schedule as such, we
we taped on Friday, so we're a little vague on
like Williams and a couple of guys banged up, that's
the story. But we broke down the game as nobody
else can like Greg does. Coming up at twelve twenty today,
Molly Wop at one, Santo at two uh SO Busy
show four nine, four to five one tell them who
text on his game time, Thank you very much your

(00:23):
text your voice texts are welcome as well. Talk back
is their fort in the iHeartRadio app. So I'm gonna
the Seahawks. They are so up against it like that is.
Having been to Detroit and Ford Field cover in the
game the last two years, I can tell you it
is an amazing, amazing atmosphere. Gino Smith is uber comfortable there,

(00:47):
the offense really comfortable. Walker coming back great. I think
they'll be able to score. I think they'll be able
to put points up I have. This is gonna be
an incredible test for the genius of Mike McDonald And honestly,
you know, Jimmy's and Joe's x's and o's whatever you
want to say. Not having Mafey, Williams, Murphy Baker, I

(01:10):
don't care about. I don't think he's even the roster.
Like that guy hasn't even been here this year. Whatever.
He's a human band aid. But the other guys, those dudes,
that is hard. Murphy was really stepping up. Williams had
a great year so far. Mafey is just a stud.
That is a lot to take out of your defensive lineup.
So if this guy pulls it off and somehow they

(01:30):
hold Detroit somewhat in check, name a street after him, yeah,
because I don't know how you do that with this
particular team.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Well, especially the run game that Detroit has.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, I mean the thunder and Lightning with Gibbs and Montgomery.
Montgomery Thunder, Gibbs Lightning. Yeah yeah, good loe. Lord, But
Miles Adams and probably could tell or whoever else gonna
get a chance tonight to play Adams and an active
all year. The guys. I know that dude. He is
an absolute dog man. He is. He'll be hungry as hell,
but day for him. You know, Mike Morris gonna have

(02:04):
to be big tonight there's a lot of guys more.
It's going back to Michigan where to play college football.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So I'll pump up.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
But it's just different, man. Those guys are just difference makers.
They're just difference makers. Sure, we're gonna get into this
at one o'clock. I want to, so I'll temper my
comments here just a little bit. Oh why not, because
we're gonna spen. We're gonna get We're gonna go off
at one.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
You gotta wait at one. You went to one, and
I'll tease you with slow boil.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'll tease you with this. When we found out at
about twelve thirty five on Thursday that they have been
officially eliminated. First of all, don't ever go down the road.
Don't let them go down the road. Ah, we only
missed the playoffs by one game. First of all, you didn't.
You didn't because you missed it by two because the
tie breakers. Okay, that's number one. There was no one
game you missed it by. You missed it by two.

(02:52):
It might say one game in the standings you missed
it by two.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Number two, you played an entire eraro relevant series of
base that meant nothing.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
There was no pressure on you spring, swing free and easy.
There wasn't one at bat, There wasn't. The only pressure,
honestly was Logan Gilbert yesterday taking a perfect game in
the sixth inning. Yeah, that was the only pressure. If
you want to say cal trying to get to one
hundred RBIs and stuff, stuff. But there was no team
pressure this weekend. So that that was the most irrelevant
series in a franchise for forty eight years, has had

(03:23):
nothing but a relevant series.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Probably had more pressure because it was their last series playing.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And actually I'll take I'll counter that with I don't
think so, you know why because their games that mattered
were right before that, when they were at home. They
didn't care about these games. They couldn't care less. They
couldn't give a blank.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
It didn't matter well exactly, which eradicates even more pressure
from the America.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
That was just like whatever. Two teams that just were
out there playing, you know, beer League baseball for a
couple of days. They missed it by more than one game.
They got eliminated with four days left in the season again,
and then the depoto so called media availability. We were
joking and Softy's been talking about a lot with Dick
and Jackson, and we've talked about it briefly as well.

(04:04):
How would they handle the end of the year news conference.
Every team does an end of the year news conference.
Ron Francis does it, John Schneider does it. I'm sure
the sounders with Schmetz and everybody else do it right.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
And that's where the infamous fifty came from last year.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
And so the comments that came out last year were
we cannot have and this is this is a quote
from inside the organization. I was told we cannot have
another Aaron Levine incident. And what it was is they
do not want someone coming in and asking questions that
they are uncomfortable with answering that they are unrehearsed. And

(04:37):
I'll say this, Jerry was went rogue last year. There
were people the organization that matter that that kind of
tried to prep him a little bit, although they don't
do a good job prepping like like like Pearson doesn't
the Seahawks or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
He just can't help but putting his foot.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
In his mouth because he thinks he's the smartest guy
in the room. But they couldn't. They the quote was,
we can't have another one of those incidents. So instead
of waiting now, we thought jokingly that and then I thought, well,
there's no way they'd actually have the stones to do this.
Maybe well, you know they do, they'd have it today. Yeah,
at like four o'clock when everyone's trying to cover a
Seahawk game. Half the media is out of town. Right
columnists are all gone, right and hide it, but you could.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
At least defend that. It's like, okay, it's after the
season's over.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
You know you could you could defend and give give
a heads up to the TV stations. This is how
it works in TV. Just knows this. You don't just say, hey,
in twenty minutes, Jerry's gonna be available in dug Out
and get a camera down there, especially on a weekend.
You just won't do It's it's not available. Four TV
stations unable to do so. The only independent, the only
real truly independent media, the Times that was there, and

(05:43):
I just the lack of accountability for this organization is
mind boggling to me. If you're a fan, it should
infuriate you. But we'll get more of that coming up
at one o'clock today, and just kind of put a
postpartum on the season. All right, we come back Seahawks
and the Detroit Lions tonight, Monday Night Football. It's on
Como TV and ABC five point fifteen. Kickoff. Greg Cosal
breaks it down like nobody else.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
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Speaker 3 (06:23):
And here we go. It's time to check in with
our good friend, Great Coasell.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
And I know listeners of this show in the station
know that normally Greg's on Fridays with us as we
break down the Seahawks upcoming opponent, the game and all
that on a Sunday. But of course Sunday has come
and gone, and here we are Monday, still winning for
a Seahawk game because well and behold, it's Monday Night
football tonight the Seattle Seahawks the Detroit Lions, and Greg
coslle joins us right now to check in with this game.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And Greg, my friend, first of all, how are you?

Speaker 7 (06:54):
I'm doing graty and and I believe those Seattle Seahawks
are undefeated, are they not?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think they're there are undefeated right now. We'll see
what happens later. Tonight they have a stern test against
the Detroit Lions. And I know yesterday on the Matchup Show,
you kind of broke down what Mike McDonald does in
terms of some pass rush. We'll get to that in
a second, and how that might relate to tonight's game
against Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Let me just take a quick step back.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I you know, you're watching tape, and tape doesn't lie normally,
but I wonder when you're watching the tape how much
the opponent comes into play.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
And I bring it up for this reason.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
We know who Seattle has played so far, the three
teams in Denver, New England, and Miami, and all three
have had some pretty significant issues at quarterback, rookie starting
his first game, a career backup, and then of course,
whatever the hell it was Mike McDonel McDaniel had last
week with the two guys replacing two us.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So when you're.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Watching film and evaluating at least Seattle's defense, is it
challenging just looking at who the quarterback is or can
you still see some of the nuance as you're looking for?

Speaker 7 (08:01):
Well, I mean, I think the answer to that is both.
But because when I look at defense, and it's funny,
over the last six, seven, eight years, I've become more
and more fascinated with defense than ever before. You know,
I began as a quarterback guy. As you know, I
was very fortunate to know Bill Walsh well, and he
really taught me so much going back years and years
and been around other offensive, really smart offensive people. So

(08:24):
I was the quarterback guy. But then I would say
it probably goes even further back than that. There was
a defensive coordinator in the league for years and years
named Rod Rust and he when he retired, he moved
to South Jersey and he called me and said, can
I come in every Monday, you know and watch tape
with you in for about five years he did. And
this goes back maybe ten twelve years, and so I
became fascinated with defensive tactics. So when I watch a defense,

(08:49):
I'm looking for what they're doing tactically. Schematically, Yes, do
we know that the New England Patriots don't have the
best passing game in the NFL. Of course, we do,
but I'm not thinking necessarily in those terms. You know
that's going to lead to an outcome, of course, but
I think more in terms of what I see on tape,
in terms of the tactics and do I think that's

(09:12):
a really interesting pressure concept that's really difficult to pick up,
because it would still be difficult to pick up even
for a really good passing team. You know, you're dealing
with the concept and the tactics more than oh, who's
the quarterback? You know, So, yeah, I it both come
into play, but I would say I lean more toward
the concepts and the tactics.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well, let's talk about the defense then.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
For Seattle, because when they hired Mike McDonald, I think
everyone here was excited, and I know you know, you
and I talked about it even during the draft process
last season when we were going through all the draft picks,
and you know, it remains to be seen if Murphy's
going to play and all that type of thing, and
so we'll kind of leave that there. But you know,
Murphy was one of those guys that Bira. Murphy one
of those guys that seemed to fit what Seattle needed
to help kind of upgrade that defensive line. But when

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they hired Mike McDonald, I know, you know, you and
I talked about it. You were really excited to say, hey,
this is a good hire for sale because there is
some talent on that defense. So you know what has
jumped out of a guy that does like studying defenses
and like looking at the tactics and the schemes. From
what you've seen with Mike McDonald's so far in Seattle,
maybe even comparing to what you saw with Mike McDonald
when he was a DC in Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
You know, I think one of the things that stands out,
and I've had these conversations with defensive coaches over the years,
I would not say that Mike McDonald's scheme is and
I'm trying to find the right word, you know, for
those who who follow football. When I think of you know,
defens's defensive coaches that do a lot of different things,

(10:35):
and you think of the Rex Ryans of the world,
you know, all those different blitzes, I think that Mike
McDonald is not quite like that. But I think there's
there's a beauty in his simplicity of what he does.
It's it's but it's so well done. I mean he
has certain pressure packages and you know, as you mentioned,
I did that in the show this past week where

(10:56):
I showed going back last year where he had a
particular pressure scheme versus Jared Goff when he was with
Baltimore a year ago Mike McDonald's the DC and it
sacked Jared Goff. And then when they played the Broncos
and bow Nicks, he had the exact same pressure and
it got Devin Witherspoon clean. And it was only a form.
It ended up being a four man pressure and they

(11:17):
got Witherspoon clean. Now, Nicks is not GoF, so he
kind of spun out and they still sacked him as
he ran out of bounds. GoF would not be running
out of balance, he'd be getting sacked. But you know,
so he does so many things like that that to me,
I don't find them, you know, overly complex in how
they are presented, but they're really really good, and I

(11:40):
think there's there's it presents an illusion of complexity to
the offense when for the I think in terms of
teaching it to the defense, it's not that hard. And actually,
a former offensive coach with the Ravens, I talked to
about this, and he's basically told me that that it's
it's it's easy to teach, the players get it, and

(12:03):
that players can be I'm interchangeable because it's not that
hard in the way it's taught. So, you know, I
think there's a lot of players. I mentioned Devin Witherspoon,
who's a you know, terrific slot corner when he plays
in the slot and is a great blitzer. But I
think in some ways, and we'll see how the season progresses,
you could look at Jenkins the safety, and while he
doesn't have the exact same skill set as Kyle Hamilton

(12:25):
of the Ravens, I think he can be deployed in
much the same way and I think you'll start to
see that as the season progresses.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Well, it feels like, and this is what you broke
down right on the on the Matchup show this weekend,
is that that blitz I'm just kinda look. I mean,
it feels as if with McDonald we're seeing like I'm
just kind of looking through here. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
There's seven different guys that have sack so far for
Seattle this season. I mean, Mafe and Hall are the

(12:54):
two edge guys. They lead the way, but Leonard Williams
has one from the inside, Dotson has one from the
inside linebacker position, Jones has one, Reid has one, Murphy
has one. To go through the whole list, I mean,
so it feels as if he is bringing pressure from
a variety places. Is it safe to say deception is
kind of the key what he does?

Speaker 7 (13:14):
I mean, there's always an element of that on defense
when you're going to blitz, because you don't want to
show it, you know, and just have an offense be
able to say, oh, yeah, that guy's coming, you know obviously,
So there is an element of that. But it's funny
you mentioned Murphy who and I guess, you know, he's
a rookie, and I know he got hurt a little bit,
you know, so I don't know what his status is
for tonight. You may know the answer to that, but

(13:34):
you know, I think back to last year when he
was in Baltimore and he had Mona Bouquet, who was
basically a big d tackle, but many times on third
down he lined up as a wide nine.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
I could see Murphy doing that down the road because
he's really light footed for a guy that size. Now,
that may not happen early in the season because he's
a rookie and you want to get him really comfortable
playing his regular position. But I could see something like
that happening, and he could use him in the same
way he deployed Mana Bouquet in Baltimore.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
But just keep one thing in mind.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
And again we can start talking about quality of competition.
I get all that, but if you talk to coaches,
as you and you know coaches, they'll tell you how
hard it is to win on Sunday in this league.
So right now, three games, small sample size, we all
know that. But they've been phenomenal on third down okay,
the third down defense. They're first in the NFL in
giving up yards per play under four, which is an

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unheard of number. So they're playing at a really high level.
And that's all you can ask for. It doesn't matter
who the opponent is. Coaches want to see execution. They
want to see production. They want to see what they're
teaching executed at a high level. That's what you're seeing
right now.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Now.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
They're playing a really good offense tonight on the road
in a place that's not going to be quiet. It's
going to be a little noisy. And you know, Ben
Johnson is one of the best offensive coordinators, particularly in
the past game. But they've also got the thunder and
lightning in the backfield. So this is a real challenge
for this defense because you know, Ben Johnson is a

(15:03):
master when it comes to matchups, spacing, you know, number
the numbers game in the past game, how he creates
space for his receivers. So this is a real challenge tonight.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I want to I want to come back to the
matchup itself in a second, but just you know, teaching
moment for all of us here when you say that
Murphy could and as yet, but you could see him
lining up as a wide nine later on. Is that
a Is that a MafA slash Hall position right now?

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, that that's outside the offensive task outside linebacker,
outside what they would call it outside linebackers.

Speaker 8 (15:36):
I think I think.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
That both Mafi and Hall can also be what we
call jokers. You can stand them up inside and have
them move around. They're both athletic enough to do that.
Certainly Mafi is he's a really good athlete, and I
think Hall can too. So I think, look, it's still
early in the season. You know you're you're going to
keep adding things as your players get more and more comfortable,

(15:58):
and as you learn more about your players. You know,
it's one thing going through OTA's in training camp, but
you've got to see them perform in games, and that's
you know, and then coaches start to learn more and more, Oh,
I can do this with this guy, or maybe, oh,
maybe I thought I could do this, but I can.
You know, you learn as you play the games.

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Speaker 3 (16:38):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It feels like you and I have been talking about
Jared Goff for like, you know, two decades, and we've
been doing this segment for about a decade and a half,
But it feels like Goff's been on those guys. Yeah,
all those years we talked about them twice a year
with the Rams. Now we've got now it's a annual thing.
Since the Seahawks are playing the Lions for the third
straight year, let's go down the Jared goff road versus
the Seattle defense in that matchup itself.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
Yeah, well, like I said, this, this is a really
really good offense in all ways. I mean, I guess
they're Ragno, the center is going to be out, so
that's a big loss. He's a really really good player.
But they still have a very good old line. Sam
Laporter will play, so that's you know, he's he's going
to be fine. I actually really like the fact that

(17:19):
they signed Tim Patrick from the Broncos. Now he may
not be the same as he was before a major injury,
but he's still really good. So they have a really
multi dimensional offense with Gibbs, with Montgomery and with what
Ben Johnson does in the past game and Goff is
is your classic dropback quarterback. Okay, they've got a good
old line, they protect him. He's got a great sense

(17:39):
of rhythm and timing. He can make throws between the numbers.
He's a window thrower. He's got no problem doing that.
There are some quarterbacks in the league who are not
very good window throwers. He's an outstanding window thrower. So
this is a really difficult offense to match up to.
You know, they're going to make plays ian and they're
going to get yards. The question becomes red zone and

(18:03):
you know, can you keep them out of the end zone?
But you're not gonna you know, God's not gonna throw
for one hundred and ten yards and they're not going
to hold the two backs to thirty yards rushing. That's
not gonna happen. So the question becomes can they keep
them out of the end zone?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
You on the Matchup show this weekend, I think you
broke down Detroit and Baltimore last year.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Well, one play because I showed I showed the exact
same pressure concept that McDonald's used in Baltimore last year
against GoF where they sacked him and he got the
slot corner clean and it was only a four man rush.
And then the exact same blitz where he got Witherspoon
clean this year against Denver and again a four man
rush and By the way, as I was watching that

(18:43):
and thinking about it, I remember McDonald as the DC
with Michigan in twenty twenty one, and I remembered a
sack by Dax Hill, Okay, and I went back and
looked at it and it was the exact same Bledz
in twenty twenty one at Michigan. See, because coaches have
certain tools in their toolbox.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, well you have a tool in your toolboxes between
the ears. Your mind is amazing at me. Sometimes you're
breaking down tape from three years ago telling it.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Well, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 7 (19:09):
I guess I have a memory for meaningless stuff like
that Ian, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Meaningless, not meaning this right now on this show, we're
loving that great go so with us.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I guess I just bring it up.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Did they have success over all Baltimore with Mike McDonald
against this Detroit offense last year?

Speaker 7 (19:22):
Yeah? Oh they beat him like thirty seven six They
killed him, Okay, And it was in Baltimore, a tough
place to play. This will be a little different in Detroit.
But you know, I think I think that McDonald's defense
is difficult to play against. You know, it's it's it's
not easy now again, you're on the road. It's weak four.
You know one thing I've learned and I know you've

(19:44):
learned it too. Some games you can talk about tactically
and conceptually all day long, and then a game gets
played and it doesn't play out like that at all.
We've all seen that. You know, we can't predict that.
But Mike McDonald's defense is difficult to play against. But
the Lion do have a really, really good offense and
it's incredibly well schemed.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Let's switch the other side, Grey Cosale Jonny's curtsy a
seattlesider offensive side of the football. Seahawk offensive line stid
a lot of question marks. Stone Forsyth has been the
backup right tackle. He played left tackle in the game
last year. I believe against the Lions, a jake on
the right side and all kinds of issues will number
for you. Eighten Hutchins in the last two years against
the Seahawks, even depleted offensive lines. Has it recorded a

(20:28):
sack against Gino Smith in the last two games the
last two years, which is amazing to me.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I don't know how much longer you can keep that up.
But that's kind of where it starts, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Upfront, the Seahawk offensive line against that Detroit front, especially
giving Geno Lime.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
No question, it always does obviously, But I'll tell you
what the difference is this year, and this is with
the new coordinator, Ryan Grubb, based from what happened the
last number of years with Shane Waldron, they are now
predominantly an eleven personnel offense. And then what that means
is it's one back, one tight end, and three wide receivers.
You and I spent a lot of time in the
last two three years talking about multiple tight end sets,

(21:02):
but they play more out of eleven and on first down,
throwing the football out of eleven personnel. Through three games,
Gino Smith has been ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
He is thirty for thirty seven for three hundred and
thirty five yards and two touchdowns on first down out
of eleven personnel. Okay, So they've thrown the ball incredibly
well on first down out of eleven personnel. And the
Lions will know that, of course, and they'll they'll be
in their nickel and it'll be interesting to see that matchup.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
That eleven personnel. And we've talked about the conservative pass
protection he has afforded at times. But that's not a
conservative pass protection, is it when you're going with just
the one tight end.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
No.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
I mean, you can certainly have your back and your
tight end be part of the protection if you want,
but you'd also like to get five out. But you know,
the Lions normally, they made a change defensively this year
with their personnel. Branch and I think I don't know
what his status is for this evening's game, but he

(22:07):
played slot corner last year for them. Okay, as a
rookie he was a really good slot corner and a
terrific blitzer. But this year he's played safety full time
and they've been playing a Meek Robertson at slot corner.
He's a different player than Brian Branch. So again, it's
three games. You know, Aaron Glenn is probably trying to
figure out he's their d C. He's probably trying to

(22:27):
figure out exactly how to deploy some of his players
given the position change.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Greg Oseel joining us courtesy.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
In addition, just the heavy eleven personnel with Ryan Grubb,
much like Mike McDonald take the eleven aside, what else
has jumped out at you? With Ryan Grubb's offense and
Seattle and Gino Smith. One thing we're talking about a
lot here, some big plays by DK Metcalf. It feels
like there's more of a concerted effort to find DK
with the ball and then whoever's number two and three
kind of one week is Tyler's number two, the next

(22:56):
week is JSN number two. But it feels like there's
a concerted effort to get the ball to DK, and
last week there was a pretty good effort to get
the ball to the tight end as well with no offense.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yeah. The other thing I think is sort of the
selective use of no huddle, which I've noticed, and I think,
you know, now you're dealing with a veteran quarterback and
Smith who's been around. It's not his first rodeo. He's
seen a lot. He's been in the league a long time.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
You know.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
I always think that no huddle is a good thing
to do selectively because what it does, you know what
you want to do offensively. It kind of forces the
defense to set and declare they can make as many adjustments,
certainly pre snapped because they don't know when the ball
is going to be snapped. So I think that's one
thing that we've seen selectively. That's been a good thing
and I've been really impressed. And I know they have

(23:37):
a lot of weapons, so it may not be a
case where he catches ninety balls, but I've been really
impressed with Smith Smith and Jig but someone I really
liked coming out, and I just think he's now starting
to play the way he looked at at Ohio State
in that next to last year when he had the
great year. I mean, he's a really gifted route runner.
He's got tremendous lateral quickness. He's not a true burner,

(24:00):
but they don't necessarily need that out of him. But
I just really think that he's one of those guys
that helps a quarterback tremendously because he can separate between
the numbers.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I think back Greg, you're talking about the you know,
the defense and that that what the no huddle that
Seattle likes.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
And I don't have the same memory as you.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I've been to detro I've covered the games in Detroite
each of the last two years, and that place is
insanely loud, especially last year. Yeah, especially last year when
they're coming off the win opening week. It was a
week two game. Last year they had beat Kansas City.
If people remember on the opening game that Thursday Night
football and there are people lined up three and a
half hours before the game to get in there, we're
walking around. I was just I was amazing. I don't
usually walk around the concourse when I cover a game.

(24:40):
I did that day just because I wanted to kind
of take it all in.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
It was. It was an amazing atmosphere. I love their fans.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think it's you know, it's there's a I think
their fans are a lot like Seattle Seahawks fans. There's
a little blue collar element to it that you don't
always find in the NFL anymore. And it was insane,
but that louds when you go no huddles that help
you against the counter against some of the noise, do
you think.

Speaker 7 (24:59):
Yeah, I think you can. It can help you as well,
because especially if you snap the ball quick, because you know,
you start standing at the line of scrimmage and the
crowd starts going crazy. I mean, what you normally see
is you normally see the silent count where the guard
taps the center. You know, I'm sure people can relate
to that and can visualize that, but you know, you
could you can also have some false starts and things
like that, you know, so you want to mitigate against

(25:23):
that if you can. Now you're not going to run
no huddle the whole game, clearly, but you know, I
just think selectively that can be effective, particularly when you're
on the road and particularly when it's going to be
really loud.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I'll be wrapping up with this. Just go back and
circle back to Aidan Hutchinson. What is it that separates
him from the ends of the loop.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
You know, I think he has probably a better skill
set than we all thought coming out, just but I
think just the motor.

Speaker 8 (25:46):
And you know, you'd like to think.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
That everybody plays like that, but you and I both
know everybody doesn't play like that. And you know, and
it's snap after snap after snap. You can certainly find
plays of every player in the NFL if you selectively
choose plays and go, wow, that's an unbelievable motor. But
this guy plays like that on every snap, you know,
and they move him around a little bit. I think
he's starting to add a bit to his past rush arsenal,

(26:10):
which he needed to do coming out, as most college
players do. But he can be really difficult it's an
all day affair when you have to block him. I mean,
he's he does not make it easy.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think back in I know the comparison in terms
of production and the player and probably what the career
look like isn't right. But I always thought that about
Frank Clark when he was in his heyday in Seattle
and he was racking up double digits. There would be
games in which Frank Clark does not like statistically hasn't
done anything for two or three quarters, but just has
worn down the other guys and then flourished in the

(26:45):
fourth quarter and Hutcheson feels like one of those guys
when you're going full bore every down, you're going at
those old linemen. At some point someone's gonna wear down.
He doesn't wear down, He just doesn't like. And that's
like I mentioned the stat he has not a sack
against Seattle, but he might not have a sack the
first three quarters this week.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
But what do you know for tonight about Alex Angeloni?
Is he supposed to go or not?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm not sure that's it.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
That's I think these are all the old, as they say, game,
everything's weird this week because he.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
Is a really really good player. He's a He's probably
the foundation of their defense. I mean, we just spoke
about Hutchinson, a great player, but Angelone, he's the veteran
in the middle of that defense. They've got tremendous size
at linebacker. ANZELONEI goes. You know they got him. They
got Campbell, who's a big guy. You know they've got
They've got some really really good players.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
What's their secondary like, Well.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
They've got Carlton Davis, who they signed from the Bucks.
He's a big, physical player. If they decide to match
up corners, Davis would be the guy who matches Metcalf
because Davis is six to two.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
You know.

Speaker 7 (27:50):
The rookie Arnold, I know he got hurt, but I
think he's due to play. He's a rookie. He's not
as big. I don't think they'd want him on Metcalf
too often. They've and they've got you know, Kirby Joseph
has been in the league a little for.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
A couple of years.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Solid safety, predominantly plays on the back end. The key
is Brian branch I. I just don't know his status
as we speak this afternoon. He's a really, really good player.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, I just bring that up because it's this will
be the I mean, we talked about what Seattle's defense
has seen the first few weeks. Greg on the other side,
dk Metcalf in the first three weeks, has seen Certan
Zalez and Jalen Ramsey like like, he's seen three of
the best corners in each of the first three weeks,
and he still produce.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
That's exactly right, That's exactly right. The David le player,
he's not quite at that, you know. I mean, you
could argue Stan's the best corner in the league, although
he had Metcalf did a really good job with him.
You know, that was one of those games. I don't
remember what the numbers were, but I remember plays in
my mind. But no, that's hey, if you're a great receiver,

(28:54):
that's the way it works. You know, you have to
play against those guys and you've got to play well.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And and we'll see what happened tonight. Should be a
great Monday night matchup with Seattle and Detroit. Greg Our
matchup will continue on Friday. We'll go back to the
normal day and time next week or this week, I
should say, in a few days, and we'll get ready
for the New York Giants coming to town against the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
We'll talk to you next week, all right, Thanks Ian.
That is great Cosale brought to you by Seattle Cider.
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Speaker 1 (29:38):
Thanks Greg Cosale. Getting Seahawks without a number of key
defensive linemen tonight taking on the Detroit Lions five fifteen kickoff.
That's on Como Television while cracking hockey here on ninety
three point three kJ RFM. Tonight. It's their second to
last preseason game, their last road preseason game. It's also
on Kong TV. We are watching H and I in

(30:00):
the when we can. A remarkable game between the Atlanta
Braves and the New York Mets. And it's the closest
thing we're going to have to a tiebreaker game, I
guess in baseball, since we don't no longer have those.
They got rained out last weeks that they're playing a
doubleheader today. And as it is, whoever wins the first

(30:22):
game of the doubleheader is in, is in if the
second team that does it. If the team that doesn't
win the first game wins the second game, they're in.
If someone sweeps, and right now that someone may be
the Braves, and I'll explain why in a second, then
Gino Suarez and the Diamondbacks are in correct. And here's

(30:44):
what has happened in this game. It was three to
nothing for the Braves into the eighth inning. A sixth
run eighth inning by the Mets put them on top
six to three. Then a four run bottom of the
eighth by Atlanta has them up seven to six in
the top of the ninth inning, so the Mets need

(31:07):
one to extend this probably the last I mean, And
just think about all the things going on here. These teams.
Someone's gonna play tomorrow one number two. If you have
a doubleheader, you got to win. And this thing goes
to extra innings. How badly taxes your pitching staff.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Get right?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
But more importantly was we're watching this thing, the emotion,
the back and forth, it was unreal, and it just
makes you even more bitter that we can't be a
part of anything close to this.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Well, you know it was a rally starter for the
Braves in their four run bottom of the eighth inning.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Would that be Jared Kelnick? That would be with a
midfield hit. I thought he couldn't play. Yeah, okay, no,
actually he can play. He just happened to be the
casualty of the Marco Gonzales contract. But that's all right.
John Stanton has told some one to tell Adam Jude
that they're gonna spend money next offseason, but not how much,

(32:05):
not how much? Will that would be increase?

Speaker 9 (32:08):
Just an increase And he technically wouldn't be lying if
it was one person.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, you're going to hear those complaints here shortly.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh my gosh, I can't wait. We are moments away. Yes,
we are going to Mollywop, our final scheduled Mollywop of
the Year. Chris and Nate are standing by live. I'll
be honest. I love the segment.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I do.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I look forward to it every week. I'm entertained by it.
I hope you guys are as well. But I think
the passion and the anger and the emotion today are
going to be at a new level. We'll come. We'll
bring that to you coming up.

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(33:09):
cracking final road preseason game taking on the Calgary Flames.
That's also right here on ninet three point three KJRFM.
Everett Al and Mike Benton will have that for you. Calgary.
See Sounders beat Houston. They're in the playoffs. Water's wet
sun is hot. Mariners won yesterday, They're not in the playoffs.
Water's wet sun is hot. Let's see and sad Dan Sports.

(33:33):
On a serious note, legendary NBA player to Kenby Mtumbo
passed away at the age of fifty eight had been
battling brain cancer for the last couple of years. As
good as player as he is, probably a better humanitarian
as well. So sad there a one baseball score to
update you with. The wild continues. The wildness continues in Atlanta, Georgia.
After the Braves took a seven to six lead in

(33:56):
the eighth, some guy named Lyndor Linder Lindor.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Wait, so you can spend money?

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, he hit a two run home run on the
top of the night. The Mets now go to the
bottom of the ninth, one or three outs away from
going to the postseason. It's a double header. They'll play
another one coming up in a minute, but this one matters.
They both matter.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Both matter.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Houston or Arizona standing by Gino Suarez. Come on, come on,
somebody get a sweep. Let's get to it. Final time
of the year. Man, bummer molliwap.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
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Speaker 1 (35:00):
You got to get a picture of the group here.
How got it?

Speaker 10 (35:07):
All?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Right, let's get this out of it, not out of
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(35:28):
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(36:12):
Andrews is here, Ian's here, Jessamon's here, We're all here,
and we're all here talking about the end of the season.
There will not be a game number one sixty three
or one sixty four for Seattle, but by now we're
used to it, because this will be the forty third
time in forty eight years the Mariners do not go
to the postseason, so it should just be a lot
easier to handle, right, There's a lot to get to,

(36:33):
there's a lot to sum up. We'll do it. We'll
just we won't. We won't keep things any different, don't
change things up. Let's just keep it the same. Nathan Bishop,
away you go.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
I really enjoyed that you infrod our segment with the
words bummer mollywop, because that just really was a nice
way to get things started, and I think a really
good summation of the whole mission statement of our entire
program here, and there's so much different stuff to talk about,
and John Stan, I'm sure we'll get to it. Just

(37:04):
dropped us a fresh new load of content right before
we went on air with a column that came out
with a him due to the Seattle Times. I've intimated
to this on this program. Maybe I've flat out said it.
I can't remember I've said it elsewhere. I really think
this was my least favorite Mariners season that I can remember.
Doesn't mean it was the worst one, but it was
just the one that left me. I think after every

(37:25):
single other Mariners season, and You're right, they all end
up similar to this one, with the exception of twenty
twenty two. This is the way that it goes. We
get to one game, one sixty two, and then we're done.
I think even when I've felt frustrated in the past
or disappointed, or we've done things like, you know, start
Sam Haggerty at DH and a do or die game
in one sixty one, that kind of stuff, you know,

(37:47):
I've known that, even in the moment when I'm frustrated
and I'm tired of this team, that in a few
months I'm going to get excited again.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
I'm going to be ready for baseball.

Speaker 9 (37:56):
I'm going to get that itch, the weather's going to
start to turn roll, get to go down to spring training,
which I've been for enough to go to a bunch
of times, and I'm gonna start feeling something. And I
don't have that certainty. After this year, I found it
so entirely soul sucking. The way that I feel like
I'm rooting for a hedge fund has grown to the
point where I don't know even what it feels like.

(38:19):
I don't know how I'll feel if this organization does succeed.
Do I even want them to succeed? Ian Like, I
can't believe that I even have to ask that question.
I love this baseball team my entire life, and they're
so ruinous with the way they do business and the
way they treat their fans and the way they act
at every turn like self entitled, self important. Uh, it

(38:39):
just it just really makes me even question whether I
want them to win. And that's a really bad place
to be as a fan. And I don't really hold
myself responsible for that. I think that's a them problem,
and I think that's maybe something that they should consider.
I know, for a fact that I'm not the only
one that feels like this. I have a lot of
conversations with a lot of Mariners on the greatest website

(39:01):
in the world, x dot com. There are a lot
of people out there that are pretty darn burned out
on this baseball organization after this season.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's an interesting term. We'll come back to that. We
go to Chris Crawford, whose name, as I look at
him on the link here today, twenty twenty five will
be different, period, lol, period, It will okay, Chris.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, I'm just maybe a little bit cycle that I
believe that things are going to go different in twenty
twenty five. I want to take you back to June
seventh of twenty twenty four. The Mariners are playing the
Kansas City Royals, and they build a seven nothing lead
in the first inning of that game, and they go

(39:45):
up eight nothing in that game and they blow that game.
They lose ten to nine, and I do a mile
y recap of that game, and it's kind of funny.
I actually had to do two twenty minute videos because
one of them didn't save and I was in a
really good mood, as you can probably imagine, But I
titled that video, they're not all equal, and it turns

(40:05):
out they're not all equal because that loss is literally,
literally absolutely the definition of literal why the Seattle Mariners
are not in the postseason, because if they win that game,
they have the tiebreaker against the Kansas City Royals, they
would have clinched in Game one sixty one. That I mean,
you can't help You can do that for so many games,

(40:28):
and you can go back to a few games. The
Mariners did not deserve to win that game that Mitch Garver,
of all people, hit the walk off home run against Atlanta,
the game where Clay Holmes was officially broken. He had
a zero point zero zero the already coming into that game,
and they end up scoring something like one hundred and
thirty eight runs and the ninth inning off of him.
You can go back to that, but man, I go

(40:48):
back to that game, and I just happened to watch
that video because I liked the sound of my own
voice and because I just wanted to see what it
was like to recap that game. And it was a
perfect encapsulation of the flaws of this roster, the issues
that made this roster not a playoff team. Because yes,
they could have won a few other games here and there,
and they were awful from basically game seventy five to

(41:10):
one sixty two. They were a below average baseball team.
But I keep going back to that game and thinking,
what if? What if you don't blow an eight nothing lead?
What are we talking about? If this is a postseason team,
we'd still have our same frustrations, I think, But what if?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Okay, let me go back. Can I push back a
little bit on that? Though? Just for this reason, I
know they would have had the tiebreaker. I get that,
we all get that. But and I'm with you that
because I do believe that there. I don't subscribe to
the theory, and I don't think it matters how long
a season is, one sixty two, seventeen eighty two. Those

(41:49):
are all the major pro sports lengths, right, one sixty two,
eighty two or seventeen. I don't subscribe to the feeling
or the thought or the opinion that many do that.
You know, hey, you know it's there's no such thing
as ones bigger than the other, because there are ones
that are bigger than others. They just are the only
thing I would push back on though, with that at
Chris is this because we talked about this the first

(42:09):
segment today, what we just saw with the weekend, the
sweep of the A's. I don't think that mattered. The
A's didn't care. They to use a nath to use
to use a Nathan Bishop, you know quote. They weren't
trying to win. They were trying to win their last
games in Oakland by the time they got here, hungover,
tired and apathetic and whatever. And the Mariners were playing
free and easy with no pressure. But yeah, it would

(42:31):
have made things more interesting because then in the back
of your mind you would have known on Thursday that
you weren't eliminated, and it would have And so yeah,
I do subscribe to the theory that not all games
are pret equal and there are bigger games. Also, starts
of the season are important. You can't always come out
of the shoot awful like they do every single year,

(42:52):
ill prepared, ill prepared, not ready to go, not taking
it serious. Those things all matter. Watching a game here
that is just, by the way, remarkable and incredible with
two teams. Look at that emotion right now, I mean,
it's just nuts. It is nuts. The Mets have just
clinched a playoff spot. Oh, by the way, they did

(43:13):
it with Eddie Diaz on the mound to close things out.
Jared Kellneck gave Atlanta a push in this game, got
the rally going in the eighth inning. Jesse Winker not
Jesse Winkers on that team. Ryan Gino swore as is
hoping like hell right now that the Mets win the

(43:33):
next game. I'm not sure if they will. I think
that might. I'm not sure you turn around and try
to win a musk a game that doesn't matter to
you when the other team's trying to have a must win.
But who knows. Stranger things have happened. Let me go
back to let.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Me real quick. I just found out that all four
of us are in the lineup for the Mets for
the second.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Hart good, all right, all right, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
There's no point for the Mets playing anybody worth a game.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
No, they're not going to We'll go back to what, Nathan.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
Are you saying I'm not worth a flying crap?

Speaker 9 (44:01):
I actually take offense to that when you're right, But
you're right.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Truth, truth hurts, Truth does hurt. Nathan. We go back
to you and you said something there because I when
you said it. It kind of it resonated with me,
and I wonder how many fans it resonated with you
say you were burned out? Why?

Speaker 8 (44:22):
Oh geez.

Speaker 9 (44:25):
I think that there's just there's so many different reasons
why Ian. I think there's this feeling that this franchise.
For me, the main thing is that I think the organization,
by and large, I don't think they would even the
Mariners since they fired Kevin Mather, are not dumb enough
to just come out and say that they're perfectly fine

(44:45):
organizationally with how this season went. But the underlying impression
and what their actions kind of have shown me the
way that they're just keeping the front office together and
just chugging along, is that they're they're mostly fine with
all of this. And from a business perspective, for like,
if you're running a major organization and you're your concern
is your bottom line, they you're getting really stable returns

(45:08):
on this product right now. Brother, Like they are winning
right just enough games that they're getting a lot of
people out there. I think that they were at two
and a half million fans this year. That's a great
number for them to hit. They've got just unbelievable revenue
streams that have absolutely nothing to do with how many
people show up to T Mobile Park. Don't forget this
team made money hand over fist in twenty twenty during

(45:28):
the COVID season when not a single person could come
to the stadium because they have they have fixed this
system so much that they're making money no matter what happens.
That's why the idea of a fanboycott is just ludicrous,
because we just don't have the power here. But there's
just this sense that no matter what happens, as long
as it doesn't get too far out of control on
the field, as long as they aren't embarrassed over the

(45:50):
course of one hundred and sixty two game season, that
they're just gonna be fine with this. And it's like,
I feel like if this were me and I owned
the only baseball team, if I were rich enough to
own a baseball team, first of all, I wouldn't be
running it as a business. I would be using it
to tell the rest of the world to screw off,
and I'm gonna win as many trophies as I possibly can. Secondly,

(46:12):
if I owned a baseball team or any sort of
major organization, and I were rich enough to do that,
and my organization was literally the only one in the
league that had never made that sports championship series. That
this was a pall upon the franchise and the region.
And we're talking about a one thousand mile geographical area.

(46:33):
This is the only baseball team for a thousand miles.
There is a massive region here that belongs to the
Seattle Mariners. And your motivation, your every single moment that
you own that team, you're waking and going to bed,
thought isn't how do I change this? How do I
bring a World Series to this region? How do I

(46:55):
be the guy that does this and become a local
legend that every every one will love forever. And that's
not the thought of this ownership group. The thought is
profits went up, profits were stable. We got stable returns
on our investment. I can catch this out to settle
a divorce, or to buy another yacht, or whatever it
is that they do with their money. I don't even care.
But that's we are fundamentally at odds of what my

(47:20):
goals and aspirations are as a fan of this team,
and what their goals and aspirations are as owners. And
we are in such conflict, at such a fundamental level,
it's hard for me to reconcile idian. I'm sorry that
was a really long winning no.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I appreciate that. Chris Crawford. There's a big question, and
I mean there's obvious answers. Offense, I guess is the
overriding theme. But I'll ask you, because you know in
the numbers, you watch this a lot more careful than
the rest of us in just priority one, two, three
or generally or what have you, what went wrong? Because

(47:53):
we do know that historically one of the best pitching
staffs in terms of starting rotations that will have receive
double not included, but this is starting rotation. So what
went wrong?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I mean, this offense was just pathetic and it was
you know, when it wasn't taking on the absolute doldrums
of baseball. It was really really pathetic. And really if
not for the fact that we saw maybe the worst
team in baseball history in the Chicago White Sox, we'd
be talking maybe more about how just anemic this offense was,

(48:25):
in particular in the infield. Man, Like we knew JP
Crawford wasn't going to be quite as good as he
was in twenty twenty three. I don't think we expected
JP Crawford to be even acknowledging that he missed time
with injury, nearly this bad or Hey Polonka was a disaster.
Ty Frantz when he was here was not very good
at first base. Josh Rojas got off to a great start,

(48:48):
was absolutely a well below average offensive player after basically
the middle of May. This offense is just awful, and
they did make some moves to make it better at
the deadline. Did get Justin Turner, who helped. They got
Randy Hza and Randy A Rose Arena excuse me, who
helped more than hurt. Probably didn't help as much as
we would have liked, but helped more than he hurt,

(49:09):
I think, but that wasn't nearly enough. This offense is
absolutely among the teams that were considered actual contenders, and
I think you have to put the Mariners is one.
They finished one game out of a postseason birth. They
were the worst offensive among those teams by a long, long,
long margin. And that's just not okay. It's not okay

(49:29):
that you wasted this pitching staff because you had such
an anemic offense and only made the two moves at
the deadline to make that become somewhat competent, and it
didn't do enough.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
Nate, Yeah, everything that Chris just said. I think that
when we had the trade deadline, I remember sitting in
a I think it was a hotel or something when
we did the trade Deadline show and basically said that
I thought that there was no way that could win
the deadline enough for them to fix what had already

(50:03):
been broken. And that ended up being the case. It's
not that Randy A. Rosereina and Justin Turner Warren improvements
they were. I think that there's you know, I broke
it down. And outside of Luke Rayley, do you know
how bad the offensive editions were during the off season
this past year. I think the Mitch Garver, Mitch Hanneger,
Jorge Polanco and somebody else, somebody else I'm forgetting me.

(50:26):
Luis your eyes, Luis your riyes were paid forty three
million dollars for negative zero point six war That means
that's not below average, that's below the random generic triple
A call up that you bring up to play in baseball.
They were worse than that for forty three million dollars.
And as you know, if we're going to complain about

(50:47):
John Stanton, we absolutely should. Let's also remember the guy
that he puts in charge and continues to put in
charge spent forty three million dollars on negative production from
four guys. So that is pretty much it to me.
They they have to be so good because they do
walk a fine line. The front office has to walk
a narrow path to victory with this ownership group. And
they just do not understand hitting. They just don't.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
And you know, it's.

Speaker 9 (51:12):
Really really telling. It's a small sample size, and I'm
kind of skeptical he could last for a whole season.
It's very telling that when the front office basically threw
his hands up and just said, Edgar, go do whatever
you want to do, and he walked in and said
hit the ball, and then they just did it, because
that's how much everybody was up their own rear end
about analyzing the data and trying to figure out the hitting.

(51:35):
And they just don't get it. Man, That's what went wrong.
They do not understand how to hit.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
It's Mallywap Monday, brought to by Simply Seattle. Mallywap thirty
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midnight tonight. The thirty percent does mallywap thirty ends at
midnight tonight. Chris, you know what scares me is let's
let's assume that some guys bounce back. Let's assume that Julio,
you know, isn't awful for three orders of the season,

(52:01):
and he was I know he was hurt, but he
was He just wasn't good. He just wasn't. I mean,
when I look at his final numbers, I mean it's
a cumuluve sport right. Twenty home runs sixty eight RBIs
like just not good enough. I mean, he raised his
ops last month of the season, got a little bit
a heater, but he's got to be better start to finish.
He's always a slow starter. Well, let's assume he has
a bounce back year, a little bit better year. Maybe
I don't know, can rarely replicate what he did twenty

(52:23):
two and fifty eight seven eighty three ops. I don't know.
Seems like a little bit of a stretch. But let's
say that those guys are all in the same mode.
Where would this team be, Chris Crawford if they didn't
have not just a historically good starting rotation, but something
you don't see from a catcher in Major League baseball anymore.
Cal Raly was unflat believable. Thirty four home runs, one

(52:48):
hundred RBIs, seven forty eight ops. Yeah, the average wasn't
very good, but still two twenty for a catcher, and
he caught more innings than any catcher in baseball. And
he played one hundred and fifty three games, like one
hundred and thirty five of these were behind the plate.
I don't know if you can expect that to happen again. Man,
you're gonna wear this dude out. I mean so, I
guess my question, Chris would be this, if you just

(53:09):
have a little bit of aggression from Cal, you're gonna
need a lot of extra production along the way. And
that's not a shot at Cal, it's just the reality
of the position. Man physically. I don't know if he
can do it again.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
No, that's the thing. And like you know, we know
how father time works. By the way, I assumed when
he said you know what scares me? I thought you
were going to say, Ashton Jentty. Just because that guy
had a pretty good game.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Took friends, that took talk for a couple of months,
doesn't mean you get to took you twenty took you
twenty minutes there, Rutgers Scarlet Knights.

Speaker 9 (53:39):
I'm rooting for the college football equivalent of the twenty
twenty four Seattle so I'll not be casting stones.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Thank you for that was a gross game against Rutgers
pun Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Greg Lewis told me that they were a better team.
They should have won, so I mean same in the
Apple Cup. I don't know if that ever helps, but yeah, anyway.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
Continue to build a sustainable wondering and they are.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Back to big, dumping, fantastic season. I mean, if you
just look at the batting average, what are you doing?
It's twenty twenty four, dog Like, there's no reason to
believe that average is what is generating this stuff. Like
his power is so impressive and his defense is so good,
and he's like a lot of his value comes with framing.

(54:25):
It's he's so good defensively otherwise that it doesn't matter
that the hopefully we get the automatic balls and strike
system coming because he is such a good pitch caller.
He is so good at blocking balls, he's such a
good thrower when the runners actually pay attention. But you're right,
because you are going to see some regression, I think
from him offensively, just because of the fact that he

(54:47):
is going to at some point wear down. At some point,
big Dumper, being the magnet of baseballs that he is,
is going to go on the injured list. And here's
another thing too, Victor Roblez was fantastic. Ain't no way
Victor roubl Is putting together that season again in twenty
twenty five. He's a very good baseball player and he'll
help you a lot. He can be a two and
a half to three win player. Only he was a

(55:08):
three to win player in seventy six games for the
Seattle Mariners. That's not happening again. So as bad as
this offense was, you have to expect some regression from guys.
And look, Julio Rodriguez overall, great season in my humble estimation,
because defense matters, and what he did for them defensively
cannot be ignored. Maybe the best center fielder in baseball
right now. And when he's hot, he's hot in those

(55:29):
hot streaks to meet need more than the cold streaks,
because he can literally win you a game with how
good he can be offensively. That's just my humble estimation
on Julio Rodriguez, but you're gonna have streaks with that.
That's the way he's built. And they don't have a
good enough player development system to just say, Nope, we're
gonna completely fix Julio Rodriguez and he's going to be
a nine to win player. No, he's probably going to
be a five to six win player next year with

(55:51):
a little bit better luck on batting average and balls
and play in a little bit of hard contact that
doesn't get caught. But he's still gonna have his issues.
You have to bake overwhelming changes to this offense because
of those issues.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
We'll take a break. We'll talk about lack of accountability, ownership,
the POTO, the regime, the reign of terror continues.

Speaker 8 (56:11):
That's next.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
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Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah, how we continue on. It's Molli wat Monday, brought
to you by Simply Seattle Simply Seattle dot com. As
we put a rap on the Mariners season number forty
eight in the history books and like forty two other
seasons out of forty eight, This one is number forty
three in which the postseason is not part of the end,

(56:54):
not part of the narrative, not part of what we
write on talk about. Probably the most dis pointing I
guess I am curious about that, Chris, is this? Is this?
I mean, Nathan's talked about it quite a bit, He's
tweeted about it. Is this as disappointing a season as
you can remember as a matter of fan, based on

(57:15):
what they had going out there on the mound every night,
knowing that every night you had an advantage more or
less with the starting pitcher.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
One hundred percent. It's easily the most disappointing season that
I can remember as a Seattle Marina fan. Some of
that is because I can't remember a whole heck of
a lot anymore because I'm getting so old. But there's
no doubt that the expectations that you had for this year,
and not only that, and even though you can kind
of predict, like based on their offseason that they were
going to have some offensive issues, you couldn't have predicted

(57:46):
them to be this bad. And it doesn't make them
any less frustrating. To go out and know that if
you only if you gave up three runs, you are
not guaranteed to win, not even close. No one is
guaranteed to win in baseball. But you know what I mean,
if you gave up four runs, you were in traubule,
and that should not be the case for a playoff
contending team. There were just so many and they're the

(58:08):
Other thing that's disappointing is there's so many likable Seattle Mariners.
I think Julio is an incredible likable guy. Big Dumper
obviously an incredibly likable guy. I find all five of
the starters to be likable dudes. George Kirby maybe last
on that list, just based on some roughness. But like
watching Logan Gilbert and his press conference and how much
fun he was having and talking about how he was

(58:29):
calling pitches because Big Dumper said, why don't you finally
call a pitch since you shake me off so much?
You know, that was fun to see. So to have
that season end knowing that they had the pitching talent
to not only make the playoffs, but to contend for
a World championship, but having an offense that was among
the worst in baseball, I don't see how you can
say this is not the most disappointing season in Seattle

(58:51):
Mariner history.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Nathan, I would say, you know, I like, we're living.
We live in a world now where you know, it's like, well,
you should have won, and you should have done this,
you should have done that, you know, I mean every
Husky fan. I mean I listened to some of the
postgame show on Friday. It's like, oh, we should have
beat them, we should have beat them. And yeah, if
you want to base it on yards gained and offense
versus in all those things, sure you're I would also, boy,

(59:14):
side note, if you're a Husky fan, that kicker has
won you guys a lot of games, like shut the
hell up. Like like Grady Gross has been a stud,
Like I'd take him on my team in a second.
And he missed. I mean he just had a day.
But but it high level sports are results based.

Speaker 8 (59:31):
This isn't.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
This isn't gymnastics, Nathan. You you have a daughter in gymnastics,
you know, right, it's it's not the result is based
on something subjective that's not how sports work. But objectively,
they wasted, Nathan an incredible pitching staff, but the positive
would be this, and I'll throw this to both of
you guys, with that pitching staff, all things being equal,

(59:53):
with that staff, that rotation, and with guys like Julio
and Cal to build on, I'm trying to think who
would else. I don't even know who else I care about,
to be honest with you, but it feels like there
are pieces there. And I think that's what's most frustrating, Nathan,
is that if they were to get in, they probably

(01:00:13):
would have been a scary team to face.

Speaker 9 (01:00:16):
Well, I think part of what's so uniquely maddening about
this team this year is that they've done and this
is full credit, this is praise of the Seattle Marinas here.
They've done so much of the hard work. There are
so many organizations in baseball that would trade to have
the like to your point, Ian, the foundation that the
Seattle Mariners have to build off of that they've done

(01:00:39):
just fantastic work developing this rotation. Like cal Raly is
actually a miracle. A wonderful player, probably my favorite Seattle
Mariner of this current era, not a full stop, not
just because of his production but his willingness to be
the face and leadership and heartbeat of the whole roster, really,
and you've got Julia Rodriguez centerfield, who just kind of

(01:01:02):
like yawned his not yawn because that dam plays he
wasn't trying, but who had a subpart season by his standards,
and was still a very, very valuable baseball player out
in centerfield, and who's only twenty three years old. It's ridiculous,
and the fact that they can't figure out a way
that's puts so uniquely frustrating. They've got all of the
foundation stuff here and they just cannot get that certificate

(01:01:23):
of occupancy. You know, they got it framed, they got
everything done, and they cannot pass inspection and they cannot
get the keys of the postseason. How's that for an
analogy on the fly man?

Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
That was good? You guys should pay me more, or it's.

Speaker 9 (01:01:38):
It's incredibly frustrating for that reason because it's so close
to being something that we haven't seen here in so long.
It's right there for them. And if they were just
able to squeeze out average, if Jorge Polanco had been
a one point five win player this year, if Mitch
Haniger had been at all able to play like if
you had been able to just you know, get out

(01:01:59):
on the field and not you know, look awful for
the vast majority of the season. If Mitch Garber hadn't
seen his career possibly just evaporate this year, if they
were just below average versions of who they had already
been this year, you're talking about a team that probably
wins the American League West. And that's the other thing
that makes it so uniquely frustrating is this division was

(01:02:20):
so bad this year. Yeah, this is as bad as
it's the worst division in baseball, full stop.

Speaker 8 (01:02:26):
And that's with the White Sox setting the all time
loss record.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Well yeah, I mean the proof is in the number
of teams that made the playoffs from other places and
not this one. I mean, that's just Chris real quick
this segment. We're going to do one more quick segment
to kind of put a roup on things. But I
don't think you know, the blame game, a lot of
finger pointing offense, you know, the certainly you know, second base,
third base again, you know, rinse, repeat things like that
corner outfield, which they kind of addressed a little bit

(01:02:50):
of the trade deadline, what have you. But I think
we also saw the effects of you know, not being
able to hit the lottery yet again with a bullpen
right like that, that, I think we we you know,
they're not without fault either, because that just wasn't so good.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
No, absolutely not. And look the Ryan Stannik. You know,
we love to give Nathan crap about his comments about
how he looked early, but.

Speaker 8 (01:03:13):
Participate Ryan Stanik, is that who we're aout? Okay, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Very curious to see how many high leverage situations he gets.
So surprised to see he didn't pitched in that first game.

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
I think they made him.

Speaker 9 (01:03:26):
I think they made any throw seventy five pitches so
they didn't have to week.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
Yes, absolutely will not shock me if he's not actually
on the playoff roster. By the way, hope you still
get that share, buddy. It's uh, it's There's no doubt
that the bullpen have some blame in this because they
were relying on Troy Taylor and Colin Snyder at the
end of the season for high leverage situations, and as
good as Andres Munnos was for the overwhelming majority of
the season, there were some flare ups there. But not

(01:03:56):
having Matt Brash, not having Gregory Santos for the overwhelming
majority the year, not having Jimmy Garcia after you make
that trade for him towards the end of the year,
and just getting regression from guys like gabes Fire and Yeah,
the bullpen was certainly not the dominant force that they
needed it to be. And that's the thing about bullpens.
We've talked about it at the end of every single

(01:04:17):
season that if you count on a bullpen to repeat
its same success the next year, you're nuttier than squirrel
turts because there's no way you can expect the exact
same production from guys who are only giving you that
little of time on the mound. You just don't know
what is going to happen. Far too often, the bullpen
definitely takes some blame, not nearly as much as the offense,

(01:04:38):
but it's, you know, that little sliver of pies.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well, but I think you're right though. I think that's
that's an important part of it. Like they were relying
on something that nobody in baseball really relies on, right,
Like you're just you know, and the other thing you're
relying on is something nobody else in baseball relies on. Either,
that's you know, the best offensive production from your team.
Over one sixty two is from your catcher. Like that
just does not It just doesn't feel sustainable. All right,
we think quick break, come back, we'll put a wrap

(01:05:01):
on things, say goodbye. I will say, you know one
thing about this this segment. We do convene at times
during the off season as it warrants, So this is
this will not be the final final. And I think
at some point when we all take what the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
Check said, yeah, oh yeah it does right now, that's
not what the check said.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Call, I'll call Jake from simply see I don't see
what he says, but I will maybe in a little while,
maybe a Seahawk bye week, will reconvene and talk about
off season and what really needs to be done. But
I want to come back and talk about lack of accountability.
And I think what frustrates me more than anything is
this organization at the top and the top two layers.
We'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Re least tor inciting I see starting at catcher for
the Mets in this game, Chris, Okay, just checking God?
What is this said? This is an alumni Association game
for the two game double header.

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
He's gonna be on the mountain close it out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
It won't be as good as rohas doing that. Okay,
let's wrap things up. I John Nathan referred to this earlier.
Adam Jude had had a bit earlier that according to sources,
John Stanton are going to spend money this offseason. What
have you? I put such little stock in that they
have to spend money anyway because because of arbitration things

(01:06:33):
and so on and so forth. And they signed Roll Bliss.
This organization saved money this season. I'm going to start
my just We're gonna get final thoughts from everybody, and
I'm gonna start with this. This fan base deserves better,
this city deserves better. And I'm not talking about the players.
I'm talking about the organization. And it's not just ownership

(01:06:55):
at Stapoto. I can't fathom any other sports organization at
the highest level that allows a tenure to take place
over almost a decade with just one playoff appearance, one
playoff game in the last twenty three years at home.
The lack of accountability from John Stanton is striking. You

(01:07:15):
can be hiding behind the wall of ownership, in the
veil of secrecy. If your name is Paul g Allen
and you win, and you build stadiums and you say
franchises and you hire people that are named Mike Homgrin
and Pete Carroll, you cannot do that if your name
is John Stanton and Chris Larsen. What they did on

(01:07:38):
Saturday was insulting. This is our media end of the year,
media availability, A handful of people that are going to
be there, and all due respect to the Seattle Times
are the only independent news source out there that matters.
It's a lot to put on one group only to
do that. I'm so disappointed in who and what our

(01:07:58):
organization is at the top. And I can't understand how
to Poto keeps his job. He's built it up and
this happens in sports all the time. Yeah, you've done
some good things, but the end result has not been
good enough. Now it's time to move on. Now it
is time to move on. You pay money as a fan,

(01:08:18):
you give them money, you go to games, you buy merchandise,
but the lack of accountability and answering the hard questions
face to face and a real press conference with not
the media that say every day, but the rest of
the mainstream media that will ask the hard questions, that
will indeed go after them a little bit and make
them accountable. The lack of that accountability is insulting to

(01:08:40):
every fan in this market. And I'm disappointed as a
Mariner fan that that's who we have owning the team,
and that's who we have running the team as a
general manager or vice president, whatever you want to call him.
It just it saddens me. Forty eight years, no World
Series appearances and five Playoff appearances. It's not good enough
in this fan base and the city deserve better. And frankly,

(01:09:03):
the cowardice of the fact that these guys hide behind
a zoom call or a hastily called last second news conference.
It's just not good enough for our city. And I
hope something changes. I have zero or little faith that
it will. And a source telling him, yeah, we're going
to spend more money that holds as much water as
a colander. No, sorry, it doesn't work. You don't work.

(01:09:27):
You have failed us as an organization. Cal hasn't, Julio hasn't,
the five guys in the mound haven't. But you as
an organization have failed us. I hope something changes in
the offseason, because Nathan, I feel like you do burned out,
maybe apathetic, certainly, and that sucks.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Final thoughts go around the horn, Chris fire Away.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Yeah, Well, I mean, he just destroyed any thing I
was going to say, because I can't say it any better.
But I think that's exactly it, man. And the thing
that I keep going back to is that, you know,
I did a video where I asked John Stanton to
sell the team for MII. I put that video out
and I knew I was going to get some flag
for it, but I had to do it. That's the
way I felt about the situation. And I got a

(01:10:09):
bunch of comments saying, you can't blame Stanton, you have
to blame Depoto, You can't blame Stanton, you have to
blame Deservice. You can't blame Stanton, you have to blame
Dan Wilson. Well, who's the guy who thinks this is
good enough? The guy who thinks this is good enough
is the owner of the Major League baseball team So yeah,
I wouldn't let Jerry Depoto run the team. No, I
would not have Dan Wilson managed the team next year. No,

(01:10:31):
I would not make I would make wholesale changes excuse
me to the front office. But that's because I was
owning the team. I would do everything completely different from
how John Stanton runs the team. And as long as
John Stanton owns the Mariners, this is how things are
going to go. Eighty five and seventy seven seasons are
going to be perfectly fine for him because that's going

(01:10:54):
to make him a lot of money, and that's going
to keep you getting forty thousand to end a year,
even in games at mean nothing, and that's going to
keep this team one of the most profitable teams, not
just in Baseball, in all of sports. So this is
all good enough for you. So yeah, blame Depoto, Blame Hollander,
blame Service, Blame Scott Hunter, Blame Dave Cameron, blame whoever

(01:11:14):
the heck you want. But it all comes down to
who's at the very top and who is okay with
those decisions, and that's John Stanton. And as long as
John Stanton is owning this team, this is going to
be good enough. Don't let it be good enough for you.
Seattle Mariner fan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Mile Wise subscribe to his channel on YouTube. Nathan got
about a minute fire away.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
I just want to echo everything that you guys are saying.
I think I'm probably harder on Jerry Depoto than just
about anybody out there who has a voice. And I'm
grateful that you guys let me have this voice here
on this station. But we're talking about John stan right now.
I'm just gonna pull one quote from this Adam article
where he's talking about payroll and he says, quote, we've
grown payroll each of the last three years, maybe not
as much as you would like us to, and then

(01:11:55):
follows it up with but we all deal with constraints, right.
And my response to that is, John, you are a
billionaire and you are telling me that I'm supposed to
understand the constraints under which you operate. I a very
blessed man who has a house, wonderful family. There are
so many people that are less fortunate than I am.
And you are going to go on record about the

(01:12:17):
only baseball team to never make a World Series that
you are the steward of for an entire region as
I mentioned before, and you're gonna say, well, we all
got to deal with constraints. Guess what, buddy, you're one
of like fifty people in the world that doesn't have
to deal with constraints. So quick pretending to be poor.
If you're poor, sell the team because you suck at business.
Your baseball team sucks, and everyone in this entire region

(01:12:39):
is sick of the way that you do business. We
all deserve and we at not only do we deserve
I and we as a fan base. I am comfortable
speaking for the fan base here. We demand a better product.
We will not tolerate this anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
You can find Nathan Underscore Bishop right on Twitter Nathan Underscore,
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Speaker 9 (01:13:04):
I'm hoping to have a fun little project of my
own to be able to announce at a later date,
so stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Fold When you do that, that's a good time for
us to reconvene and talk about the priorities in the offseason.
Andrews at two thirty will tell what you've got coming
up as far as postseason and some of the things
he's doing on a podcast here. I'm sure you'll invite
these guys on the show at some point. For that podcast,
Chris says, no, Big, thanks to Big, Thanks, Simply Seattle,
Simply seattlet com, Mulli Wop thirty at checkout Man. We
just thank you, guys, thank you Simply Seattle. You guys

(01:13:31):
are best and guys, I love doing this every week,
win or lose. It is a ton of fun. And
I've said this before and I'll say it again. There
is not a segment on my show that gets more feedback,
more reaction, good and bad than you two. And that's
a good thing in our business. If they're not talking
about you, no good. If they are talking about you

(01:13:53):
very good and good or bad, trust me, they're talking
about the two of you every single week after our
Monday shows. We'll talk again down the road. That's Nathan,
that's Chris, that's Molly Wop. Thanks to Simply Seattle, Mike
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Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Thing about the NFL. If she just it is filled
with surprises in and Mike, it's kind of first of all,
how you do with my friend?

Speaker 8 (01:16:03):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Have you on doing great?

Speaker 10 (01:16:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
It's the Pete Roselle world of where he wanted everybody
to be eight and eight and live in a world
of parody. We're not quite to that point, but you
just don't know what's going to happen in this National
Football League. Like Jaden Daniels is maybe the second or
third best quarterback in the NFL so far this season,
and the other things that are going on, but I
want to start first with tonight's game in Seattle before

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we look around the league or in Detroit. I should
say the Seahawks taking on the Detroit Lions. We know
the big storyline with Seattle missing a whole chunk of
their defensive line. That's not good against that good running
game for the Lions, they're missing their center in rag now.
But the story you wrote about it today, and I've
witnessed it the last two years. I've been lucky enough
to cover both of the last two games in Detroit.

(01:16:47):
There is something about Geno Smith in ford Field. But
actually it's more than that. There's something about Geno Smith indoors, right.

Speaker 10 (01:16:54):
Which is crazy. Because the home games are in Seattle.
You'd think that's where you'd be at your best. But
a lot of quarterbacks even said that. I think last
week a lot of quarterbacks you know, would rather play indoors.
It's just a controlled environment. I think Drew Brees and
New Orleans would be way better than he would be
in Buffalo. But it's a huge difference for Gino in particular,
and I've been tracking it a couple of years. In fact,

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fans have pointed out to me over the years of Hey,
what the heck is going on? There's something to this.
So I've been kind of keeping a kind of a
side chart on this thing, and sure enough, Yeah, I
think he's twenty two touchdowns, four interceptions indoors. This would
be since he came to Seattle, and I believe it's
like thirty touchdowns and twenty interceptions outdoors. The real difference

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what's been bad for Seattle on the road, not counting
this year as much has been they've been really bad
on defense. So Geno's played these great games, and like
Member Dallas last year, Gino plays great, but it's not
enough to win or right, you're the other team scoring
right there with them. So I think that's what's super
interesting now is everybody feels better about their defense. I
know they're missing bunch of guys, but the scheming of

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their defense people feel way better about. I think for
good reasons. So can you get a good Geno game
and not need him to be perfect in order to
win if the defense is better? Like we said, we
know guys are hurt, so it's not going to be
an easy task. But if Mike McDonald can stem them
up and Gino plays a good game they could surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
The read on Seattle is still is still a great unknown,
right though, because of who they've played the first three weeks,
you know, I mean, and maybe it may be magnified
by what bo Nicks did yesterday. Yeah, the Broncos went
to the went to New York and won. But but Bos,
that's a record in the process, right, I mean, that's
crazy unbelievable.

Speaker 10 (01:18:44):
Yeah, he I mean, I think he had minus seven
yards and a half time or something. I don't know how
you lose with Aaron Rodgers and Aaron makes good throws.
It wasn't like he was playing total garbage and you
can't win at home against that. So uh Yeah, as
far as Seattle, I mean, I think I think there
this is a game where nationally the perception would be that, hey,

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Seattle's played nobody. You know, it's a get right game
for Detroit, which hasn't really looked, you know, as good
as people maybe thought. So all these guys out for Seattle,
you know, Aiight and Henson going against you know, a
backup tackle, this should be you know, Detroit running away
with it. So I think that'll be the expectation nationally,

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and then we'll just see if Seattle can counter to that,
which I think they'll be better than. I think they
have a chance to win the game. So but there's
enough unknown that you know, this is a new experience
going to play a good team under Mike McDonald.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
I thought Mike Sandel joining us from the Athletic and
the pick six column is up right now the Athletic
dot Com. I mentioned that the surprises of the NFL.
So when you're starting quarterback who was a rookie goes
out with an injury and you bring in a guy
that's kind of bounced around, you know, a million teams
in his short tenure in the NFL to play quarterback,
and then when you start four and oh and really

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for the most part kind of boat racing teams. Green
Bay did kind of mount a little bit of a
comeback yesterday, But I how surprising are the Minnesota Vikings
right now?

Speaker 10 (01:20:12):
I'm pretty surprised now. I thought that Donald would be
better than he's been in the past, and that he
had a chance to kind of establish himself as at
least a bridge guy. I thought it was a good
situation for him with their offensive line, their weaponry. I
did not think he was going to be terrible now
four and oh and they have a plus fifty seven
point point differential. Didn't see that coming at all. And
they've played They played Houston, a team people thought was

(01:20:34):
going to be good. They played Green Bay on the road.
So here's what I notice. I don't think that Sam
Donald is playing unbelievable lights out ball if you just
isolate the passes. There's a couple of really good ones
a game, but he's not just wow, all, you know, amazing.
I see him doing his job, but I see guys

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running open. I see a good scheme and that he
has time to throw. My gosh, green Bay couldn't touch
them till late in the game. He was just standing
there and so it just looks easy. Then their defense
is playing so well. He only has two pass attempts
when trailing this year, so he's playing a stress free
game right now. So you can't have it operating more

(01:21:18):
smoothly for them. I'm sure they're going to have harder games,
and you know, they're maybe maybe Darnald comes out and
has a turnover or something that makes them play a
little bit left handed. But the way it's gone now
is exactly how they would draw it up. Nothing's gone
off script.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
And historically, if you're four and oh, your chances of
doing something special pretty good, right, no doubt.

Speaker 10 (01:21:42):
And part of that's because usually only really good teams
go four and oh right. I mean, it's not like
you have the worst team in the league's going four
and oh. So yes, I did a little research today
and just kind of looking at at teams like this
in the last basically thirty five years who are four
and I would have been winning by as much or

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more as as the Vikings have done. I saw there
were I believe forty seven teams, and eighteen of them
went to the Super Bowl. So that would be about
almost forty percent of the teams that started like this
have gone to the Super Bowl. I don't know if
I'm quite there with this team, you know, I think
that there's a difference between this team and some of

(01:22:23):
those others who maybe had high expectations coming into the year.
But you certainly got to feel like they're going to
go to the playoffs and maybe be a little bit
of a problem when they get there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Mike Sana joining us from the Athletic Theathletic dot Com.
I'll be honest with you, I know, I know he
won the Heisman. I still can't get Arizona State, JA
and Daniels out of my mind, to be honest with you. Yeah,
skinny guy that couldn't really throw and just you know,
he's athletic freak, but that's about it. And you know,
then he goes to LSU and really doesn't win big

(01:22:58):
games necessarily, but an incredible year statistically gets the highest
And I voted him too on my ballot, behind you know,
and I and I hesitated, honestly, I thought Pennic was
the best player in the country. But I've voted him too.
But he wins a Higsman. I'm like, okay, that's great.
Are you going to be a pro player? Sure, someone's
gonna draft you high and lo and behold, this is
a this is a crazy score a number because I

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think at one point yesterday was they were sixteen to
sixteen on drives they had scored on this year or
something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:23:26):
Yeah, when they weren't kneeling down. Yeah, yeah, exactly when
they were trying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
So sixty eight percent of their drives they've scored on
this season. Can you put into perspective what that is
into context what that is.

Speaker 10 (01:23:36):
Well, I went into the little uh Sando statistical database
and I couldn't find another team through four games in
the last twenty five years that scored that on that
percentage of drives. And the next teams were all Tom Brady,
you know, Aaron Rodgers team's MVP type seasons. So you know,
now they've played since in Arizona the last two weeks,

(01:23:57):
and those teams don't have the best defenses, so they're
going to play some tougher defenses coming up. For sure,
They're not going to sustain that, but they're I think
they're gonna be good. We can say that they're you know,
they're in the mix for the NFC East.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
This is a great Okay, Mike wrote about this today.
So where where does Russell Wilson's twenty twelve season rank
with jam Daniels and and this, this is this is
mind boggling because if you remember, wasn't the wasn't the
term they used that year in twenty twelve, they've got
the training wheels on right with Russell Wilson.

Speaker 10 (01:24:28):
They do, and I think they really did, especially early
in the year. But yeah, so I went and found
all of the games where the offense was basically as
productive statistically as the as the uh As the Commanders
have been in each of their first four games, So
those are really above average games on offense. And I
wanted to see, Okay, how many rookies have done this

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for any four game stretch. Again, last twenty five years,
Seattle with Russell Wilson had a five game stretch for
the final five of the regular season, which makes sense
because because remember they were went to the Super Bowl,
so I know the Super Bowls. The next year they
went to the division of the Atlanta game, right, they
went to Atlanta game and had that huge It was awesome.
They lost, but it was a great showing. So they

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got hot at the end and Dak Prescott had a
nice couple of nice runs, Matt Ryan Ben Roethlisberger, but
Jayden and Daniels is the only one to do it
from week one. Yeah, So I think that's what's interesting.
And then also longer term, Hey, is it going to
run out or people going to figure out Cliff Kingsbury,
where do they evolve it from here once everyone has
the tendencies on him? Or is Jade Daniels is so

(01:25:32):
electric that it doesn't matter that you you change up
your defense and he's going to beat it because he's
elusive and he throws downfield and he does and he's
accurate yea, and he you know, he just has to
avoid taking the big hits because he is, like you said,
he's a he's a skinny guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Well, the crazy thing too with Washington and shout out
to our friend dan Quinn. Huh, that's I mean, that's
that's what's cool about that. I mean, for all of
us that have ever dealt with and have been around
at all, dan Quinn one of the Q. Yeah, one
of the good dudes out there. Happy for him, I
think when I look at the the Wilson thing, Yeah,
it was weeks thirteen through seventeen, and if people remember,
it started with the game in Chicago, and I mean

(01:26:05):
I was I was lucky enough to be there covering
that game, and it was like, if you don't win that,
they're coming off the loss in Miami after Thanksgiving, and
it was just kind of like, how did this happen?
The Sprinkler game in Miami, They're probably not gonna go
to the playoffs whatever, And then they went out and
it started with that overtime win in Chicago, and I've
I mean, listen, I love to blast Russ now he
is he is what he is early Russ. That was

(01:26:27):
vintage Russell Wilson leading them to that win that day,
and that kind of started things. I think that's probably
where Pete probably said, yeah, you know what, maybe we
can trust this guy to do more. And you know,
he did it that last drive, then had to do
it in overtime and it was special.

Speaker 10 (01:26:38):
But do you think I was at that game too?

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
At that game?

Speaker 10 (01:26:41):
Yeah, I remember, I was doing the NFC West for esp.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, that was that was an incredible football game,
like incredible football game set.

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
Chicago's produced two epic ones. It also had the Marshawn
Lynch post game Charlie Whitehurst.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:26:56):
A couple of years before that, in Pete's first year
than this game two. Really tried in my mind to
make sure I separated those two memories out, but I
was at this one as well. And you're right, it
was when Russell kind of showed that he was more
than just managing the game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
It was when and there was when guys were buying in,
Like I remember Max Hunger. I talked to Max Hunger
off the off camera after the game, and I said, what, like,
what was what did he say? Because I had interviewed
Russ And I said, Hey, what'd you say when you
got in the huddle after they tied it up and
you get the ball first? And he says, Hey, this
is fun, let's go do it. And so I asked
Max Hunger, I said, hey, did he really say that?
He goes, yeah, he goes. The kid just came in
there full of he's just cock. He's like, let's go

(01:27:30):
do this. This is fun as hell, like call giddy,
which I think we can remember Russ being like that,
and guys bought into it. And then Sydney Rice had
the touchdown where he got his head taken off. But
it was just it was an incredible game. But Russ
did that, like you said, later in the season, he
had his ups and downs. Before that, he had that
great running game. Daniels has a great running game. That's
the most incredible thing. You take Eckler, who's your kind

(01:27:50):
of one a guy out and the kid from Boise
State McNichols comes in and looks like hell, he looked
like Marshaun Lynch yesterday.

Speaker 10 (01:27:56):
I mean yeah, And I remember Russ's first year. Remember
they were two and two and after four games, I
remember Pete was asked if they were going to make
a change of quarterback. Now I don't they weren't considering,
you know that they knew what they had. I think
that's why they went with him. But it was like
it was it was a question being raised by the
media right after four games, even if it was even

(01:28:19):
if the reporter was a little off base, like it
would be way more off base they would. You could
never ask that of Jade Daniels. You would Are you
thinking of taking a change that shows you how much better.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
The start is?

Speaker 10 (01:28:33):
You know how much better the start is for Jayden
and Dane.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Good for DQ and and those guys. I'll wrap it
up with this, what a what a beatdown on Sunday night.
And and it started with, you know, the first play
from scrimmage. I thought Derrick Henry was washed up. I
thought he was done. I thought that's why the Tennessee
Titans let him walk. I thought he was done.

Speaker 10 (01:28:52):
I think it's an interesting this is I may do
something on this this year. The idea of you know,
not paying a running back of a certain age on principle,
is this one of those things we all sort of
agree on that you don't running back at a certain age.
But man, some of these guys, you know, the Raiders,

(01:29:12):
think they could use Josh Jacobs right now right or
some of these guys like I understand what you're doing.
There's a philosophy to this. Or Saquon Barkley on the Giants. Yes,
you know, okay, they were they were not willing to
spend an extra two or three million a year. Well, uh,
I get that decision in a vacuum. But don't you

(01:29:34):
think your team would be ten percent better if you
had them?

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
I do well?

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
First of all, Gardner Minshew's online one. He just said, yes,
we could use Josh Jacobs in Vegas, And so the
answer is just well, I mean, there's do you think, Mike?
You've covered this league for a long time and you
and the best thing about some of the stuff you
do every week is you're talking to executives and coaches
and guys personal guys around the league. Is the definition
of group think? Did it originate in the National FOOTBA League?

(01:29:59):
Because kind it feels like it does, like it really
does like this is like, we're it's what happened historically.
That's why we had the Bay of pigs, you know,
I mean, this is the group think mentality. It kind
of feels that way with the NFL. It's like you said,
while we can't pay and running back if he's twenty
eight or twenty nine ers, god, God forbidding. If he's thirty,
there's no chance. We can't do that. But sometimes there's
a unicorn out there. His name might be Dereck Henry.

Speaker 10 (01:30:20):
It may be, but when do you know? You know,
how do you know when that moment is going to come?
Of course, you know the player, but you also try
to research utter guys and say, okay, when is it
these guys fall off? And more often than not, you're
going to find these guys fall off, So you know,
you can certainly justify internally, we don't want to spend
whatever it takes to get Dereck Henry at this stage.
We don't want to pay for past production. We're a

(01:30:42):
little bit concerned about when he's going to fall off.
So it hasn't happened. He looks amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Oh, he's a force.

Speaker 10 (01:30:49):
It's not a short list of guys that when you
sign them to your team, your whole locker room looks
and goes, okay, yeah, well we're real now, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Well, and Lamar's that much better, right, Like he's that
much better with this guy, I'll respect to the.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
You know, Lamar is is Like against Dallas last week,
Lamar had I think fifteen past sttempts. I think he
had twenty two last night. I mean, that's that's great
living for a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Well, and the only time Buffalo stopped Derek Henry last
night was were the last two drives when they were
trying to get him his final what eight yards to
get to two hundred. They knew they weren't going to
throw backup quarterback in and they just stacked the line
of scrimmage and says, we're not going to let you
get to two hundred against us. That's the only time
they stopped in the normal game that no one rushes

(01:31:37):
for two hundred against US. No, that's not going to happen.
You might boat race us on Sunday night, but you're
not gonna get two hundred bills.

Speaker 10 (01:31:43):
You coulda pu him under center and quarterback sneaked him.
You know, just get him that one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
I know, I know and for those of us have
in fantasy, we were hoping for that.

Speaker 10 (01:31:50):
Okay'd you got Derek Henry on your team?

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
At late like a not a high draft pick either,
not a high draft.

Speaker 8 (01:31:58):
Did you need him last?

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Oh yeah, oh yeah I needed you know who else?
I need to need some guy named Gino. So that's
why I love reading your column this morning. It's like, oh, yeah,
I got I got a little confidence going against my
buddy Kenny. So yeah, I like that little Geno tonight.
Indoors uh. Mike Sandals Pick six column is at the
Athletic dot Com on the front page of the NFL
tab every Monday. It's a great unique look into the

(01:32:21):
NFL from Mike who's covered the legue for a long time,
and you can read about the Jets heading down the
same road as the Packers took late and Mike McCarthy's tenure.
That's in there as well. If if you're interested in
the demise of Aaron Rodgers and or the continuing floundering
of the New York Jets j E. T. S Jes
Jess Jets, Mike's got a piece on that as well.
J E.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
S S.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
I thought it was what, oh Jess, Yeah, it's Jets, Jets, Jess.
They weren't chanting that yesterday when Zline missed that field goal,
I can tell you that, right, So it.

Speaker 10 (01:32:52):
Seems Likelines missed a lot of the kicks.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
You know what's wild is that he missed that. And
I thought it was it three years ago, the last
year the Seas made the playoffs. Yeah, three years ago,
right that? Or two years ago when he missed a
late one here on like a Monday night or a
Thursday is a primetime game, remember that he missed a one?
Oh yeah, And I felt like at that point he
was one of those guys like I don't think Robbie
Gould's ever missed a field goal against Seattle, doesn't matter

(01:33:16):
which of the twelve teams he's played for, And Zerian
was kind of like that. And then he missed that one,
and yeah, that was a big one yesterday.

Speaker 10 (01:33:22):
But yeah, you know, very Yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Right, thanks my appreciation.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
There, You have a good night.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
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