Anthony "The Big A" Stabile & Johnny Taboada Join the Show - Episode #144 - Win Place Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Mucosuit horse Racing Northwest Emerald Downs April of twenty twenty five,

(00:57):
go with the in Vince Broon on our podcast. Thanks
for tuning in, and we are just a little over
three weeks away from opening day for twenty twenty five.
Vince Sunday, April twenty seventh is as you would call it,
the Lidlifter.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
And don't forget it's what now. One fifty is our
new post time a little bit earlier in the day,
and things are shaping up pretty nicely. We're getting close
to five hundred horses in the stable area, with plenty
more on the way, seeing a lot of the Northern
California contingent arriving in the last week or so, and

(01:34):
then Phoenix kind of winding down their meat at Turf Paradise,
their traditional closing Day is the day after the Kentucky Derby,
So shaping up to be a pretty solid year here,
Joe for our fifty one day meat, our thirtieth season.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah done, kidding. We're looking forward to a great season.
You know, we had just under eight hundred horses last year,
for most of them meat, and we're expected to get
really close to a thousand this year.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
I think that's realistic, Yeah, judging off the stall applications
and the interest and the people who have already showed up,
and you know, as handicappers will have to get used
to some of these new guys. We know, you know,
Acidro Tomayo and Victor Trehiel and in who's followed West
Coast Racing has seen those names, but we might not
be really familiar with their nuances and their strengths and

(02:24):
their weaknesses. But I do know the guys like that
win races, so they're certainly going to be respected at the.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Entry box most definitely, So better handicapping, higher payoffs at
Emerald Downs this year. That's what bigger field size brings.
So as an owner, you know, you don't mind getting
your horse in a six source field now and then,
But for the fans. I'd love to see different odds

(02:50):
on different horses, and of course the exotics pay more
when you've got bigger fields. So looking forward to April
twenty seventh, Sunday Open Day at Emerald Downs. Our next
day of racing after that will be Saturday, May third,
the Kentucky Derby Day and that'll be a one day
weekend as well.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yes, and then following that the weekend of the tenth
and eleventh we go to two days, and then in
June we add the Fridays as far you mentioned the
Kentucky Derby. Well, heading into this Saturday, we're taking us
on Thursday. We got a couple of the final big
big preps for the Kentucky Derby, the sand Nita Derby
and the Wood Memorial. The bluegrass scheduled for Saturday has

(03:32):
now been moved to what days it was Tuesday? Yeah,
so that'll be a first seeing Keenland Bluegrass on a Tuesday.
The interesting thing there is Keenland gets those huge on
track crowds. A lot of that is the University of
Kentucky students. If you ever look at out on the apron,
so there might be a few kids playing hooky on

(03:54):
Tuesday from the UFK.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I thank you, and I probably would have done that.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I might have.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think I would have anyway. Yeah, So Keenland was
scheduled to open on Friday this Friday, April fourth, but
instead they're going to take Sunday as they're opening day
April sixth. Though Keenland will is scheduled to race on
this coming Sunday, April sixth, and then they're going to
replace the Friday card on Monday, and they're going to

(04:22):
run the Saturday card with the Bluegrass on Tuesday. So
Emerald Downs, of course is open seven days a week
for full card simulcasting. We will have free pps for
Keenland here at Emerald Downs up on the fifth floor
both Monday and Tuesdays. So keep that in mind because
there isn't a DRF newspaper published on those days, but

(04:44):
we'll have free pps for Keenland, and so keep that
in mind, as many do say on podcasts. Guests today
Anthony stabil the Big A. Our first here from the
Big A in twenty twenty five. He'll be talking about
the wood Memorial and the three year old picture and
is Vince mentioned you got the bluegrass Sant Anita Derby

(05:07):
and Wood Memorial this weekend. Johnny Toboda a very prominent
West Coast owner and actually horses in many locales around
the country. Now he has horses at Emerald Downs with
a couple different trainers, and he's been in the news
a lot the last fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
He has. Anyone again who follows West Coast racing, you've
seen those autism horses. Well, we'll get the story on
that from Johnny later on in the show. One we
remember well here at Emerald Downs was Autism Awareness, one
of his first big horses who actually ran in the
mile here.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Ran in the two thousand and nine mile, really tough
field that year Assessment won it. But earlier that year
Autism Awareness had won the Berkeley at Golden Gate and
the year before he had won the El Camino Real Derby.
So that theme of autism we'll hear from Johnny and
he'll go much further into that. So a couple of

(06:03):
guests today talked about opening day. A lot of info
at Emeraldowns dot com. You can get tickets for all
your favorite days at emeralddowns dot com presently, so go
on there and secure your seats and your admission for
the days that you would want to plan for, and
there's plenty of those throughout the season. Political update, there

(06:27):
was an article in the Seattle Times last week that
you know, all of us got a lot of inquiries
about Phil Ziegler quoted as saying, you know, twenty twenty six,
the money isn't there right now, and things could be
different in twenty twenty six. We just talked about how
we're going to have a great season this year. Everybody's

(06:47):
agreed on that, with more horses and some new jockeys,
plenty of new barns and money in place from the state.
But there is no money in place from the state
for next year, and the HESA fees are going way
up in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah, And anyone who hasn't read the article Joe mentioned,
go to Seattle Times dot com and google Emerald Downs
and Scott Hansen and bald there God did a nice
job reporting on that. Another one I'll point out that
came out two days ago. Frank Angst in The Bloodhorse
is a very comprehensive, well researched, just spot on article
and had some nice things to say about Emerald Downs

(07:22):
and how it would be a shame to lose a
little jewel of a racetrack over something like this. So
going out there, there's a lot of interesting things to
read about Emeral Downs. You know, I don't want to
read the tea leaves.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Joe.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
You and I have lived through a lot of things
in racing, and we've been down this road many times.
My heart of hearts, though, I really think Emerald Downs
will be around.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, I do too. I'd be really surprised. You know,
the finances could be, you know, markedly different, as Phil
was quite honest in going over that without money from
the state, and then those exorbitant heis of fees. Hesea
is coming a thorn in the side of small tracks
with they pretty much bend over. I'll use that more

(08:07):
description to the bigger tracks in New York and Kentucky
and changed their in their revenue structure from you know,
I mean they run for one hundred and thirty thousand
dollars and we run for twenty five and we're going
to pay the same start as they are.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
What's the word inequitable?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, you know it is, and that's changed from twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
It is, and you know the thing about Heisa. You know, I,
like a lot of people, I was optimistic when it
came on board. What was it in the summer of
twenty twenty two. I don't want to blastom I just
in my but again this is just my thought. I
from Emerald Down's point of view, I don't think we've
gotten a lot of bang for our buck.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
No, no, I mean every state does testing and has
a racing commission, and we've been testing and our stewards
and our racing mission. We have an outstanding racing commission here.
They have rules, regulations, are able to do fines. The
testing was all in place for decades and decades and

(09:11):
decades and decades and hasa is coming in and you know,
they actually pay us, give us credit because we do
still do the testing. But some of their rules just
coming in arbitrarily and too soon. And of course the
one that really sticks out is Mary Parone trainer Mary

(09:33):
Prone had two horses in her stable of a female
and a male, and the male somehow got a female
hormone on him and she got fined twenty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
And a lengthy suspension too, you know, And that was
not an isolated case. Around the country, we saw several
of these small you know, the traditional monpa type operations.
They have the smaller three and four horse outfits. Some
of them are hobby some of have done it for a
long time or whatever, and they've kind of gotten picked
on in this whole process, and it really I don't

(10:07):
like it, you know. I thought the idea was to,
you know, we can all have our views on what's
gone on in racing whatever. I thought the idea was
to kind of look, you know, the big time players
or something, and it's kind of gone the other way.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah. Well, Mary Prone's fine was reduced to twenty five hundred,
but it was still if our racing Commission and our
stewards were involved, they would have looked a little further
and saw that she wasn't trying to set up any
coup by getting a female hormone on a male horse,
and it just was totally out of line. So HEISA
hasn't hasn't really been real favorable for smaller tracks, and

(10:45):
it's going to be a lot worse in twenty twenty
six with the higher fees equal to the very biggest
tracks in the country. All Right, Well, there's a lot
of time between now and opening day of twenty twenty six,
so hopefully we'll be able to you know, work things
and you know, have a good meet next year because

(11:05):
we could, we'd like to build off twenty twenty five,
which again very much looking forward to. Okay, So we
talked about Keenland canceled Friday and Saturday, The Bluegrass to
be run Tuesday, the Kentucky Derby Future Wager, which is
better than it used to be because there's thirty nine
individual horses and then the All Button. It's going to

(11:27):
close at one pm on Saturday. They usually close at
three pm on Sunday after all the big races, but
they're going to make you make your plays before you
see the Sata Neita Derby, the Wood Memorial or the Bluegrass.
So it closes at one pm Our time Local time,
one pm on Saturday. This this weekend's Kentucky Derby Future Wager,

(11:50):
the Dubai Cup is on Saturday. We're going to open
our gates at eight thirty Saturday. The Dubai Cup races
that you can wager on start at eight forty. So
if you're going to bet that first Dubai Cup race
that you are able to wager on here at Emerald Downs.
Get your handicap and done on Friday night early Saturday
morning because we're going to open at eight thirty and

(12:11):
then the Dubai World Cup will be later in the
morning as usual Training day. We've been doing our training
day videos on Tuesday, getting a lot of good response
there and some of the new barns from California involved.
That's a YouTube thing type in Emerald Downs Training Day
on YouTube you can see a few horses in action.

(12:35):
The Los Mark's Cafe is open at Emerald Downs and
actually it's open till three pm on Saturday and Sunday
up until opening day and then it'll be opened later
of course, but for now Saturday Sunday hours a little
bit later than in the past, open til three pm.
And let's see. So the media guide is out, I

(12:58):
believe it's online in Emerald Downs Day correct great up
the twenty twenty five tons and tons. I looked there
often for trivia questions and and verifying data and look
verifying data for info on lineages on. For instance, Jerry
to Carry has her first fall out there training and

(13:21):
boy the years go by, fasting she won nine races
here over many different seasons. The Emerald Racing Club is
not too far off, and you're still reaping the rewards
from Warren's memorable. You're still an owner of her who
was one of the club members last year. She's now
retired off she retired. Okay, yeah, kinda went out with

(13:42):
a win. But yeah, we're nice. We got plenty of
room in the ERC. So call me at two five
three eight seven seven two three or Vince viat emeraldowns
dot com happy to give you a tour of the
stable area, show where our barn will be located, or
answer any questions. There's also an downs dot com a
registration sheet with also a lot of information on rules

(14:05):
and regulations of the club. It's only five hundred dollars
plus one hundred and twenty one dollars license fee, licensing fee,
no other bills the whole year, so you get money
back at the end of the year. You get some
money back at the end of the year, divided in
equal shares, so you get a lot of dollar value.
I think out of it. You know, your owner's license
is good for two admissions every racing day, and then

(14:26):
we actually have a horse running. You can bring all
your family and friends out for free. So we got out.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
We're looking to acquire a couple of horses right now
and hopefully have something up and going here before the
start of the season. But yeah, we would love to
have you.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
That is great. Yeah, get a whole events here at
Emerald Downs if you'd like to join the club, and
just a lot of great perks involved as well as
being a licensed horse owner, and some of you maybe
for the first time, so keep in mind that the
club option. Okay, well we're going they have a couple guests,
anthony' Stabil, the Big A and Johnny Toboda are going

(15:04):
to join us and we'll do our usual final segment
with sports shorts and selections and trivia. So let's take
a time out short break. We'll be back with the
Big A Anthony Stabil on horse racing Northwest.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
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Speaker 2 (15:21):
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Speaker 6 (15:50):
Resilience, who's opening up, is up by two and a
half three leg Society Man towards the inside, Protective Resilience
is drifting out. It's Resilience, who's clear, is by three
legs Now, Resilience will win the Woods a siding man's second.
Protective Lonesome Boy is gonna finish fourth.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
That was the twenty twenty four Wood Memorial, and Resilience
won that race. He went on to run a big
race in the Kentucky Derby. I think he was fifth. Vince,
we both wagered on him. He was close to thirty
to one, and he made a nice move. We were
excited for a while.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Made that big move into the lane that you see
in the Derby. The mile and a quarter kind of
caught up with him late.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And Lonesome Boy was on the lead at the top
of the stretch at eighty to one. Lonesome Boy, of
course Washington's twenty twenty four Horse of the Year, and
Lonesome Boy finished fourth in that Wood, a pretty gallant
effort in a large field. He actually has a win

(16:50):
already at parks this year, does Lonesome Boy. And he's
in again next week next Wednesday, April ninth, at Parks
going a mile in seventy yards. So we remember last
year would pretty well a and we've got another big
field to look at this year. Hey big a. Anthony
Stabill joining us for the first time in twenty twenty
five on horse racing Northwest. Always a great occasion. Good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I was happy to you either, I guess, I mean
normally I caught it off at like January fifth, but
you two of my favorite people, so I'll make an
exception in your case.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Thanks Anthony the track announcer at Finger Lakes. He'll be
headed up there later this month for their opening day
their season. They run earlier in the week. In fact,
it's is it a Monday Tuesday Wednesday thing?

Speaker 1 (17:39):
First couple of weeks Monday Tuesday, and then we hope
to go to a three days the third week. Last
year we actually canceled the Wednesday on the first week.
We were supposed to go to three days, but then
it was clear not for me. I missed. I missed
four weeks total with a couple of health issues and
battling an infection and then the worst pain I believe

(18:00):
any human being can seal kidney stones. But yeah, ready
for ready for an in season up there. Apparently we
got about one hundred more horses shipping in and yeah,
ready to go less than four weeks away.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Great, great, how's your health so far this year?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Knock Wood? Look about forty pounds again? They just turned
forty eight on Monday, so we got a little two
year run to fifty. Now. A lot of people tour
tickets at forty eight, guys, I can tell you that
nobody thought I was getting a forty eight. I'm gonna
keep disappointing. I'm gonna keep disappointing some people out there.
The price got the lower and lower, the higher the age.

(18:38):
When then they're gonna thought shredding them again real soon.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Sounds good, very good. And of course Anthony's so well
known out here in Washington, Western Washington through kJ r's
Windplay show and horse racing Northwest and mostly by big
race handicapping. I mean, it didn't have to be in
New York, that's for sure. Triple Crown. We'd get Anthony
on all the time, and he just made so many

(19:05):
great selections. I know, the Belmonts a few weeks, a
few months away but we'll start with this weekend and
the three year old picture overall, Anthony got any comments
overall on the three year olds for twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Five underwhelming and I keep you know, I'm not worries
a strong word, but I feel like I keep saying
this every year. I'm underwhelmed by this crop. And it's
almost like ran we talked about this too. It's almost
like the three year olds get chopped up into two

(19:38):
crops at this point, the Triple Crown horses and then
the horses for the second half of the year. I
know some of these horses are running some fast figs,
which is a good thing, but I'm not so I've
only seen two, maybe three that I feel like the
mile and a quarter is re gonna help them, and

(20:03):
just one of them is running this week right, It
turned from a weekend to a week obviously with Keenland
canceling move I shouldn't say canceling, but moving to Friday
and Saturday cards. Uh, great move by them to Monday
and Tuesday, so we get trips on Saturday and Tuesday. Appropriately,
the Bluegrass used to be run on a Tuesday, eleven

(20:24):
days before the derby, so we're gonna have a little, uh,
little throwback. They're gonna have three more weeks. But yeah,
the bluebirys Us be run on Tuesday. Wow, so we'll
get to uh, we'll get to go back in time
a little bit, uh at Keenland of that bluegrass.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Wow. Okay, lots some news. Yeah, because I heard some
people discussing on podcasts, Oh, bluegrass and never been run
on a Tuesday, And I you know, I wasn't ready
to say that, but I certainly wouldn't have doubted it
at the time. But yeah, okay, well, uh, sam Man
benefited from a really fast pace in the Arkansas Derby
last week, and of course Sovereign so you look good

(21:01):
from off the pace to Pond Street or however you
say that horse's name. In the Florida Derby, those horses,
you know, look to be pretty good at a mile
and a quarter. Tis Tastic had a nice win in
the Louisiana Derby. I'm talking about a lot off the
pace horses. Who's impressed you the most?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
The horse? If you told me I had to make
a Derby pick right now before this weekend of front races,
I would say Sovereignty because he's making up ground and
considerable ground on a track that historically horses just don't
make a lot of ground upon. And he's the kind
of horse that I think his scribe, his pedigree, everything
lends for the mount of a quarter. I don't love

(21:49):
the fact that he is as slow as he is
early on in these races, but I think the extra
frolong and you know, just maturing as you will with
another five weeks between starts, I think it'll lost off
to come together. And you know, we played resilience leading

(22:11):
in the film Out Won the Wood last year. He'd
like to get his first natural Derby winner, right Country House,
maybe the most infamous Kentucky Derby winner of all time,
for the for the wrong reasons. Right. If you told
me right now, I would probably have to tell you sovereignty.
But I think that can change. There's one horse in

(22:34):
particular who will get to that I think can change
my mind in the next three prep races.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Okay, that's good. And again, the Kentucky Derby Future wager
for this weekend closes on Saturday at one pm Pacific time.
So if you're going to take Anthony's advice and maybe
a little sovereignty. Check out the odds there. Uh okay,
Well we've got three races, two on Saturday, and the

(23:02):
Wood's going to be the first of those three, and
it's another big field and you know, good handicapping test
again big eighth.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna take out the nine bear claw necklace.
After Joseph announced some time over the horse of the
last thirty six hours that he's not gonna ship. His
other two runners on the undercard did ship, by the way,
underwhelmed again. A lot of people say, oh, it's Salur Grapes,
you don't work there anymore. I never really shield that
I am underwhelmed by this undercard. I tried to find
something juicy to give you guys in the undercard, and

(23:32):
I just I couldn't grab on to anything. But I
will tell you this, I have one for you in
the Wood Memorial. I'm going out on a little bit
of a limb here. So the horse in this race
that really interests me, and you know, we can talk
first about a couple of the favorites. Rodriguez is going
to take money for all the wrong reasons. Bathfornton Mike Smith,

(23:55):
and you know he has four races on us. He
has four races in his career. His best race by
far was the one with L six and I know
a lot of people who poo that and tell me, well,
he's he's run exponentially better in the one race on
L six than he has. He's lost ground in the
other and the other three races. He's kind of not
for me. He'll be the favorite, I would imagine. I

(24:18):
know that Captain Cook's going to take money. He's gotten
better with every start. One of two and here for
Rick Dutrow, he's one of the nine furlongs over the
track and the withers kind of a slow race, kind
of a grind. I know he won by a couple
of lengths and change, but it was kind of a
grind for him that day. San Devil in New York
Bread had his three race win streak snap when he

(24:39):
finished a good second in the Gotham often lead. There's
some speed in here. Todd Pletcher brings in Grande off
a couple of races at Gulf Stream, including a winn
at nine furlongs. I know a lot of people will
high on Hill Road going into the Tampa Bay derby
one of two that Chad Brown had there, including Chancer mcpatrick,
a dual Grade one winner, he ran okay again, Chad's

(25:02):
gonna take money, and Joel Rosario is gonna ride for
the first time a horse that's probably gonna take money
for more of the wrong reasons than the right reasons
when you consider he's never won on dirt. So I
think there are holes to be poked in all of
the favorites, the least the least of which is Captain Cook.
I think Captain Cook has a very good chance at

(25:25):
winning this race on Saturday. But but I'm gonna go
out on a limb here and I'm going to take
the other Rick Dutrow horse, and that's the ten McAfee.
McAfee has nothing but a six Forrong Maiden win to
his credit, ran second and money allowance race on on

(25:47):
on uh not Falstars Weekend, on Stars of Tomorrow too,
and then he ran him off the layoff in the
Gotham off of about ten weeks and he ran. He
had a really strange trip that day, and I like
the way he finished up. He's gonna stretch out around

(26:08):
two turns now. I like the ride of change to
ever Kansell and he's gonna be twenty five to one
in a race where I think you can pull holes.
Like I said, in those favorites, I think he's worth
a little bit of a long shot look at upsetting
this Apple card on Saturday. So I'm gonna make McAfee
my top pick. I think I think Deutro the race

(26:30):
kind of runs through Detro. Captain cooked the number two
as well. He's gonna be up close right behind the
first talanx of speed horses. I would imagine make one
run and kind of gobble him up. He made a
lot of sense to me. And you know hill Rode
in Grande or how I'll round things out. I'll use
both of them in my exotics. Gronde will probably be

(26:53):
close to the pace. He gets Dylan Davis in the
boot for the first time and then he'll road. You
hope he makes some improvement second time. Blinkers leaving that
Tama and that that Tampa Bay Derby, which we'll talk
about again when Chance mcpatrick comes up in the Bluegrass.
That was just a speed favoring racetrack and Rod got
a lot of help on the front end with Owen Almighty,

(27:14):
with nobody going with him, and that race was just
kind of like you know, dominated on the front end.
It sources mede up a little ground. I don't know
if I want to take seven to two on them
to win this race, because again he's never won on
the dirt before, but it would not surprise me if
he got the money. So I'm gonna go ten to
seven to sixth in the word memorial.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Okay, that is a big price on top McAfee by
cloud Computing out of an uncle Moe Mayor had that
two year old break. It was, you know, fairly lengthy
and that got them. You're thinking that was better than
looked or you just think he'll run on, you'll pass
horses and and anyway.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
You described me, I think he was just still trying
to figure things out, okay last time, and you know
Rix's giving him a bunch of easy half miles for this.
He's by cloud com shooting out of an uncle wull.
Now like you said, yeah, I just imagine. I imagine
the stretch is gonna be good for him. I imagine
he'll be able to settle a little better. They didn't

(28:19):
go that fast in the Gotham, but you know, going
the mile in that one turn mile, you can get
lost sometimes and I'm hoping that he could just find
a little bit of the dittterbeat. I think Eric fits
his running style well. Eric is really good from off
the pace and this muscle be coming from off the pace.
There's enough speed types in here. I think he'll get
some pace as well. So we'll take a little shot
at a big price.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Very good McAfee. You know, I've looked a few times
for the morning line for this race and I haven't
found it, including this morning. But I agree he's going
to be twenty to one plus because even with the scratch,
it is still a eleven horse field. So the Wood
Memorial that is race number twelve at Aqueduct goes at

(28:58):
three ten Pacific thick on Saturday. Uh, let's go out
west and the Big A's given us a lot of
good angles at Santa Anita in the past as well.
We have just a five horse field in this year's
Santa Anita Derby, and we've got a couple Bob Baffort
runners as expected, couple from John Sheriffs, and then Michael

(29:19):
McCarthy has the favorite journalism take it away.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
That was some effort in the San Felipe because Barnes
had fairly easy I love Barnes had a fairly easy
time of things on the front end, and he just
he gobbled him up leading and he's improved with every
one of his thoughts journalism. Here's the race goes through

(29:45):
Bob Bafferton, write this, Master of the Obvious. The race
goes through Bob Baffort Barnes. Naturally it's much faster than
Citizen Balt, much much faster. But when you look at them,
when you look at their cards, Citizen Bull is perfect

(30:07):
when he is on the lead. Three for three, three
grade one, two, grade ones in a Grade three. Barnes
won his first two races from just off the pace
and got beat when he showed the way. Now, obviously
there are you know you're gonna bring pace and race

(30:27):
sheep into into all the handicapping. But from the if
it ain't broke, don't fix it. I would imagine Citizen
Bull is going to be on the lead from the inside,
from the inside draw, and Barnes will be stalking him.
And it's what they each do best. So before all
of the conspiracy theorists start spouting off at the mouth, yeah,

(30:53):
is he controlling the race? I yes, but I think
he's doing it to give each of us horses their
best chance to win. So I would imagine they're gonna
line up Citizen Bowl and then Barnes. I feel like
of the three main contenders in here, the three horses

(31:19):
that are as obvious as the day is long, I
would imagine Barnes has Well will have the best trip.
I want to be stalking Citizen Bowl and I want
to let him unleash for the last three eighths of them.
Onnth If I'm Barnes, He's also going to be the
best price of the three, and I think he could

(31:39):
throw a You could throw a blanket over the three
of them talent wise. So I would imagine Barnes gets
the right trip and in that race, even though it's
just a five horse field, I want the trip. I
think it goes to Barnes, and I'm gonna take a
little shot with him.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Okay, yep. Three to one on Barnes, Citizen Bowl nine
to five and Journalism six to five. As you mentioned
right off the top, that Journalism went by Barnes pretty
impressively there in the San Felipe that was on March first,
going a mile out of sixteenth. This, of course the
sant I needed Derby at a mile and an eighth,

(32:13):
so five horses that race scheduled for one thirty or No.
Four to thirty Pacific.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Sorry.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
A couple of things. First of all, McAfee official Morning
line twenty to one of twenty on him, Anthony Journalism
ran so good off the layoff. I guess we don't
hear this term much as much as we used to.
Is there any chance is that a foundation he's building
off of? Or is there a chance he ran too fast?

(32:41):
If there is such a thing and regresses on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Come on, then say the word you want to say.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Bounce.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
He's a bound. I think he's a bounce. I think
he almost has a bounce because that race was so
much better if you using the buyers, it's fifteen points
better than anything he had run. So while the other
two have been within that right, there's a horse that
never never cracked a ninety buyer speed figure and ran

(33:09):
that gaudy fig Now, all of a sudden, you know
Citizen Bull had run comparable figures. Barnes improved a little bit,
but this horse went into the stratosphere, and you know,
he's going to be taken out of his element a
little bit. I know, there's all there are all five
horse fields out there, but you got to figure the

(33:31):
two Bafford horses are going to have the tactical advantage
on them. So I mean, yeah, I do think he
can bounce. I also think, you know, the regression combined
with being the third the third fastest of the three early,

(33:52):
I think it puts them behind the eight ball a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah. And we've seen Bafford horses go to the front
and you know, keep going a whole lot over the
last twenty five years, and Citizen Bowl has done it
three times two grade one wins. So yeah, at any
anywhere around nine to five, it seem pretty fair on him.
But Barnes gets the trip, okay. And journalism maybe not

(34:19):
believe in that figure as much, but you know, so
many times a horse will improve off a little two
year old racing and then a break they grow for
sure and get bigger and stronger.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
That would be an argument in favor of journalism. And
I've heard a lot you know, I'm not an expert
on stride or anything, Anthony, but I have heard a
lot of people say, boy, you know, if you watch
Journalism coming home that he just looks like a horse
that's going to love a mile and a quarter with
his action and the way he finishes. So we'll see.
But a stance against a short price is never a

(34:53):
bad thing in this game.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So listen, he comes after him. Don't get me wrong.
He went and he went and got went and got Barns.
The other day, both Citizen Bull and Journalism had the
benefit of two turn races under their belt. Barns are
stretching out for the first time, and I know, I know,

(35:15):
the big train of thought is if you're going to
get a horse to go to turns that maybe doesn't
want to, it'll be the first time you kind of
surprise him with it. I don't always buy into that.
I think this source is really talented and I would
probably want Journalism going forward in the derby, but on

(35:39):
Saturday I want Barnes.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
All right, Yeah, I mean for a five horse field,
that's a heck of an intriguing matchup that goes again
at four point thirty from Santa Nita the Grade one
Santa Anita Derby. Vince was present for many of those.
We'll get a comment on that a little bit later,
but we've got to talk about the Bluegrass as well.

(36:04):
And one of the big questions there is Burnham Square
gonna move forward off the Fountain of Youth when he
was a little bit dull in the stretch as the favorite, big.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
A yeah, you know, he just didn't fire early in there.
He launched his bid in the Holy Bowl and I
remember watching the Found the Youth and saying, all right, well,
this is about time, and it just didn't happen. And
then it happened to a lesser extent at around the

(36:37):
eighth pole, and by then River Thames was digging in
sovereignty had a full head of steam. You know, we
talked at the top about one horse could change my mind.
The one horse that could change my mind is in
this race, and it's Chancer mc patrick. He did some

(37:04):
things last year that horses, young horses don't do. When
he broke his maiden it was a giant speed track
and he came and he flew home to get tea
craft and then everybody was coming into the hopeful waiting

(37:27):
to see Ferocious and you know, dazzled like he did
in his maiden race, and he gobbled up the ground again,
and then the Champagne. I mean, look, and in the
Champagne he was just he's just you know, we say
this a lot is just better than those words. He
was just better than those horses. It was. You know,
it's not going to be the most memorable Champagne in

(37:48):
the history of the you know, one of the most
storied two year old races, juvenile races in American lore.
That's not going to go down as one of the
most dazzling ones. His race to bring this cover so
much better than it looks on paper, it's not even funny.
Fabian had to launch a bid earlier than expected. He
got stuck all the way out there in the tent

(38:10):
hole again. You know, you probably wanted to be closer.
The race was dominated one two three on the front end,
and I thought he ran extremely, extremely, extremely well. I
think the blinkers were a good thing, and I think
he ran a monster race in the Tampa Bay Derby,

(38:31):
a monster race. I don't know why people aren't talking
more about this horse's effort. First time blinkers, speed bias,
track whatever, walked around the racetrack and instead of giving in,
he did everything he was supposed to do. He was
closer with the Blinkers, he didn't lose ground in the stretch.

(38:54):
He had everything against him and he still ran.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Now, it's just he's two to one supposed to win.
A lot of people felt like he was supposed to win.
Whatever that means. I don't think any of them are
ever supposed to win. I just think that if you
want a horse, that's going to be an Now with
the race movie to Tuesday, there is the value in
the future pool because he will get ignored. Because when

(39:21):
when one of the big three wins san Anita Derby,
if one of the favorites win the Wood Memorial, this
source is going to be hanging out there at twenty
to one or so, twenty five to one or so. Now,
even if he wins Tuesday, he'll probably be twelve to one,
fifteen to one Derby Day. I don't know if you
want to, you know, invest three and a half weeks,

(39:42):
but you'll probably get twice the price on him. If
he wins the Bluegrass, he'll probably be twice the price
in the future pool. Then he will be Derby Day.
So there's the game, you know, there's your gamble a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
How about I think, how about that, Vince that description
of Chancer mcpatrick, I'm sold, I'm gonna. I don't play
the Kentucky Derby future wager very often, but I do.
I mean, he went through all those races the Breeders
Cup much better than looks and of course someone Almighty
had his way on the front end at Tampa. It's
his second start.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Ohing Almighty, owned by Yester Bursma of Oregon. Anyhow, yeah,
chance for mcpa a couple of those races as a
two year old, Anthony, I remember they were they were
really eye catching and you could kind of see that
the horse had a big, big future. And you're right,
he kind of has been overlooked, one of the overlooked
three year olds of this spring, even though he really

(40:35):
hasn't done anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Because you haven't seen the fleshy things since I for one,
am extremely happy about that. So if you see it
ninety eight on that or if he cracked triple digits,
people start talking about him. But everybody goes he's too slow,
he's too slow, he's too slow. I don't think he's
too slow. I think he's also the kind of horse
where once he gets training and gets his engine going.

(41:01):
I think he's the kind of horse that is going
to do nothing. But yet he's got a lot of
Sierra Leone in him. You know, I don't think he
has that hanging him, but I think he has a
lot of He has a lot of this horse. This
horse overcame a bias opening day at Saratoga that only
a good horse would have run as well as he did.

(41:22):
And he not only corroborated that in the Hopeful, he
corroborated it in the Champagne. I thought he ran lights
out in the Breeder's Cup, and I thought he ran
a bang up race at Tampa last time. He's never
run a bad race. He has one bad result, He's
never run a bad race.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Okay, what's his morning line? I don't have that either.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
For some reason, he's I believe he's four to one
or seven to two.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Guys, Okay, all right, he's seven to two. Okay, that's
a seven horse field. He drew six and Pratt is
there to ride, and you know he's he's he's shipped
around too. He's running four different tracks in his five races.
So a little speed in there. You got East Avenue,
you get own Almighty and the one horse River Thames

(42:06):
likes to go to the front, So two turn race
for Chancer mcpatrick.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
You know, one nickname in addition to the Big A.
One nickname we will never hear for Anthony as Captain
Obvious and he comes up with stuff and you know,
like you said, Joe, this is a pretty compelling case.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
No, I like I was listening to that, and I
hope our listeners took heed there because there was some
things between the lines and that analysis that from an expert.
All right, yeah, Kentucky Derby Future Wage where once again
closes at one pm Saturday, well before the Bluegrass on Tuesday,

(42:44):
but also before the Santa Nita Derby and the Wood Memorial.
So there's some once again some very good info from
the Big A. Anthony'sta Bill, Anthony, all right, we are
moving forward. I'm I'm a little charged here off hearing
that stuff, so I appreciate it once again. I think

(43:08):
that's uh, that's good. Unless you've got anything else.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
No, that's it. I think. I think I think, uh,
Cancer mcpatrick's to play the weekend or the week if
you will. Hey, little Tuesday action, Yeah, better than who's
better than this? Podcast, we'll give you Tuesday. We'll give
you a Tuesday's team.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know, I like the Tuesday action because when you
have those, there's too many things going on this Saturday
already right with the n C two a's and and
uh you know, uh the other two big races going
on and baseball starting and all that, so, uh, Tuesday
doesn't have a lot on the schedule, and now it does,
including Chancellor mcpatrick's.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
All right, eight outstanding guys, Thank you so much, and
we'll be talking to you, uh right before the Derby.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Hopefully you've got to talk for.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
The Big eight.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Anthony still built joining us on horse racing Northwest and
we will catch up with him again. Yeah, that well,
he pays attention. We know that for years and that
you know I didn't have him hugely on my radar.
It's only a seven horse field in the Bluegrass, but
the Kentucky Derby Future Wager might be the way to go.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah, the horse I'm looking forward most forward to running
this weekend personally as journalism because that last race was
so good that you know, there is a chance that
he does improve off that, and if he does, then
I think there's no doubt he's the clear cut favorite
going into the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I think he's the morning line favorite in the future
wage for this week. Yeah, so, which isn't too surprising.
He's he lost his first race, a six furlong sprint closing,
and then he's won three in a row and including
three different tracks, del Mar, Losal and Santa Anita.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, and that race there's only five. As he said, Joe,
it's kind of an interesting race. So we shall see.
The Wood might be the best betting race of the
three with the bigger field, right.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
So Anthony gave us a big price there. You know,
I was looking a couple of longer shots. I wasn't
actually looking at McAfee, but he's you know, has to
be looked at now from what they said, I was
Tiger twenty four is coming off a maiden win. He's
going to be a huge price. You know, three races

(45:28):
to break his maiden. Statesman was a little interesting to
me because he had the two year old break and
has come back with two two turn victories. Now neither
one of them were stakes, but constitution horses are you know,
they've been really solid and around two turns it's a
sug Mcgahey, trainee, he's going to be a big price

(45:49):
in the wood as well. Hey, sant Anita Derby memory
for you. You were there for a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
There was a lot of great ones. I think the
one that comes to mind the most would be nineteen
ninety five when little scrawny Illinois bread named Larry the
Legend beat what was kind of being touted as a
super horse and Afternoon to Lights. In fact, Kent Desormo
got off Larry the Legend to ride Afternoon to Lights
and Gary Stevens, who was riding in Hong Kong at

(46:15):
the time, came in to ride him and they went
head and had the whole length of the stretch with
forty thousand people just screaming, and Larry the Legend looked
beaten like three different times, but he was so game.
He just came kept punching and punching and punching, and
he got him. Unfortunately, he came out of the race
with a tendon injury and was never really the same
horse when he came back. But that was an electric day,

(46:38):
another great one, and jum Ron was beaten about a
half length in there, you bet, and that was owned
by Charlie Dunn at the time. That's right, and that race,
you know, the quality was good, you know, proven out
long term in that race. Another one would be Silver
Charm and Freehouse hooking up in ninety seven and those two,
you know, ended up running first and third in the
Kentucky Derby. And those were two horses. They were gray

(47:02):
and kind of white. Freehouse was a real almost white horse,
and they had those two looked each other in the
eye many many times. And Silver Charm I think had
the lifetime like four to two or five to three
over them. But that was another heavyweight bout, two really
nice horses coming to the wire together.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And yeah, you bet okay Santa Anita Derby this Saturday
again post time four point thirty race number ten at
Santa Anita. We'll come back after a short break. Johnny Toboda,
a new owner at Emerald Downs, to join us on
horse Racing Northwest. The Thrills of Live Racing return to

(47:42):
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(48:05):
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Speaker 5 (48:12):
And then Silent saladawond defends, Awesome Gem down the outside
on the LTEP from Unusual suspect Ful Chasing, Just in Front,
taking on by Autism Awareness met Zendy Kron back to
the inside, Awesome Gem running on light ful chase and
Autism Awareness from Medzendi Crown, an Awesome Jem and of
Blankett finish and Autism Awarenness has one.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
That was autism awareness as you heard. That was the
Berkeley Handicap at Golden Gate back in two thousand and nine.
He'd beat a really good field that day, including Awesome
Jem and Bold Chieftain and that wasn't the only big
race autism awareness one. And he got his name from

(48:54):
his owner, Johnny Toboda, who joins us on horse Racing Northwest. Johnny,
that had to be a good day in your horse
racing career, which has had many good days.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Good afternoon, well good afternoon.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
Well, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Good bombs.

Speaker 7 (49:11):
We speak memories that never go away. And yes, that
was a horse that started all here we are years
later doing the same thing, raising awareness racing autism awareness.
It happened to be the scene of you happen to
be in the month of April, and April is known
now by Thetism Awareness month. Okay, so here I am.

(49:36):
I'm available to chat and to talk away.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Thank you for being that up.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Hey, well, great to have you on. And you named
the horse and we'll get to that right away. But
also one of the reasons we're having you on horse
Racing Northwest is you are going to be horse racing
in the Northwest this year at Emerald Downs.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
Yes, yes, actually I was there last weekend, uh and
we rode five horses as we speak. And actually three
of the forces that I brought they had their name
Autism in it. They're they're not quite ready to run,
but they are their babies two years old that hopefully
will compete in the next couple or three months and

(50:17):
other forces as well. So yes, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Be involved these year.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
As you know, things cap shinch in California and the
demographics I mean as far as the circuit, but one
of the auction was to riyan emmenal Down, so we
took a barn there and we am supporting one of
my trainers there.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
That is great.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
And Johnny is you know, has done a lot of
big things in racing as an owner. I mean, you
are really really involved and even outside of California on
the West coast, we're very happy to have you involved
up here. You I remember talking you down at Pleasanton.
You had nine or ten two year olds for this year,

(50:56):
and several of them are here. Who are your trainers?
They were going to see.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
Now he's going to be Toyo is going to be
my train ending email downs.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Okay, very good and he has had a lot of success.
He's involved in racing at URP Paradise. Vince Vince Brun's
also joining us Johnny on this podcast. Vince is our
director of media relations who you also met him down
at Pleasanton. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Absolutely, you mentioned awareness to autism and that horse. He
actually it had helped put you on the map, Johnny.
But a couple of interesting things about him. He was
only favored once in a thirty nine race career, so
he was an underdog, and he actually ran pretty well
in the two thousand and nine mile won by assessment.

(51:44):
He was only beaten four and a quarter lengths. For
it all, he was a pretty darn good race horse
for you.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, you know, I remember I was there. I was there.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
I remember that day. If I don't recall, if I
don't recall correctly, we had the one, the two or
three hole or one. I mean we're in the inside
and we didn't we didn't break well. And you know
when me and the horse had to be rushed to
to to be in the mix, and that took a
little bit of something out of the you know, out
of him, and we we we we were seven, if

(52:17):
I believe, at the end, by losing by three three
to five lanes, so you know, going losing a little
bit at the beginning, it takes a lot. But the
horse definitely did everything that we asked for a much
more and what you were, you're right, he always if
he adds, that's like, you know, people that have autism

(52:38):
does to me that you you can put into the
challenge and they're definitely gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're
gonna meet the challenge.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
You know, yeah, And I guess why don't you, uh
maybe mentioned how you came to start naming all your
horses with autism. We've certainly seen a lot of them
on the West coast here the last decade or so.

Speaker 7 (52:59):
They were you know, I happy to be that. My fa,
my family, my son, my son, my youngest son, was
anse with autism when he was a toddler. You know,
obviously I very in about I was. I still I
am very involved with with his upbringing and different things.
And I learned about autism and one of my early

(53:20):
inclinations was to deal with it, is to talk about it,
to learn more about it. Autism was relatively unknown when
when I found out that my son had autism. As
I did more research and so forth.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
And at the same time, my parsuing me for horses,
my horse racing and so forth, So I say, we cool,
you know, we decided as a family there was a
cool way to to kind of raise awareness and to
to to spread the war and to.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Let people know that this is not going to go away.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
You know, I'm happy to be The very first year
that we named horses, one of them was autismal awareness.
It was one year old we paid, I pay a
thousand dollars for it and the rest is history, you know.
And uh and from that point on over to now
and to this day, it has to become my mission
and the family my mission. That that that that had
to do with raising awareness to do things that what

(54:09):
I can do. And every horse that I get a
chance to name it and name it with the autism
in the mix of the name, because without having the war,
he won't he won't be noticing, you know. And and
having autism means means a lot to me to people's
talks about it. And I admit you, you won't believe
how many people to this industry just because they they're

(54:29):
they're they're asking questions. And that's exactly what I want,
you know. I wanted to kind of raise awareness and
continue doing so.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah, well that's a great angle for a horse owner,
uh to take. And your son Renzo is uh as
a young adult now, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
It's twenty five?

Speaker 7 (54:49):
Guess what? He just got ready from college. He got
his two bachelors degrees. Uh, just last hole and he's
applying to currently as restrict this semester. He's applying for
the master's Greece. So he's a he's a man, he's
twenty five, he's he's not some challenges, but he he's
an individual that is an example for a lot to follow.

(55:10):
He's accomplished so much. And I'm being able to do
to to I mean to to really give us something
to to in our case in my family, to to
to to motivate us to do what we can do
with Hey, we we can. We can help allders to accomplish.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
That is fantastic. Uh. And you know you have your
own sire now, and he was a good race horse.
His name is touched by autism, and you see the
sire of several of your young horses.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
Every every single baby that my bread I bread because
I turned I actually started breathing. Uh. That when I retire,
touched by autism. And I said to myself, if I
ever come across a horse with a name that that
that has some potation to become Estallian, I'm gonna do so.
Unfortunately didn't work for some awareness, but I did work

(56:01):
for this horse. I was able to retire. I got
some mayors and every single baby that I have from
them that I may that I retire. It was bred
to to to this stallion. So all my babies bred
by me with the name of tism. He's gonna is
gonna be touched for autism? Is itallion?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
That is great? Uh? You know, really carrying on this
cause while enjoying thoroughbred racing and Johnny Tobota, a native
of Peru, did you get kind of a love for
horses and racing, uh before you came to the US.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
It's very much so. But but obviously I didn't have
a chance to own any horses. I was more of
a fan. I happened to be with my dad.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
My dad liked to gamble.

Speaker 7 (56:45):
My dad was we like to be it and so forth.
And I used to go with my dad with the
trade to the track and so forth. And I came,
I moved to the States to to go after my
education and so forth. I say, if I ever can
afford it, I'm gonna go to do. And I started
going little and late and get into these business and
here I am. You know, later I'm able to accomplish

(57:08):
to follow this passion and and and and now combining
with with with with with my mission, which is uh,
WHI should raise awarding for autism.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, Well, a very prominent owner. You have built yourself
into it. I know you know, are you own a
good part of all the horses that you are involved with? Well,
you're you're a full owner and so many horses. You
do have a few partners here and there, don't you?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah? Very little.

Speaker 7 (57:35):
I used to have a little more, and I decided to,
you know, just because when you have horses in multiple
locations like I do now, he got very hard to
do so to to to have partners and and the
monitor and manage it. My partners, I always say, the
people who work directly with a horse I partnered with

(57:56):
with my trainer, I partner with the grooms I partnered with,
have walkers with the and so forth. They have become
my partners in this venture. I often to to kind
of go that way because you know, I've being a
hands on on is I am nowadays, I'm able to
accompress a little a little more. I have little a
little less less of a hassle dealing with with with

(58:18):
third party's money. In this case, I have to be
responsible for it. So it's me, my own, the only
one I answered to it. My group, the trainers and
people around around the force Johnny.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Of course, we're very happy to have you and Assidro
Tomayo at Emerald Downs in twenty twenty five. A lot
of the other gentlemen coming up from Pleasanton and gals.
But it's kind of a shame. Where do you think
West Coast racing stands right now? I talk to a trainer,
Gary Griner's grandson. There's only like ten horses left on
the grounds at pleasant And when they left the other day,

(58:52):
and it's kind of the end of an era down there.
But it could be good for the Northwest. What are
your thoughts on it all.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
I was very involved in everything that happened in the North.
I was in a few boards and few advisory groups
and weekly goals trying to save the north. Unfortunately, we
have lost the latest battle, as you know, and we
will have to blackt the premises and and find ways
to to to to find a place for our horses
and so forth. I don't believe this is the end

(59:21):
of it. I do believe there's more to come and
we're gonna work at it.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (59:25):
But I do believe this time has grown up a
different issues, and I believe it's time for the West
Coast to unify. I when I was for part of
the TOC for Directors, I was an advocate to combine
it with the nearby states. And I always say that
having having a force, always called force, it would make

(59:45):
all the sense of the world. But I understood, and
I was told many people that were involved in this
couldn't couldn't happen, you know, it couldn't have the three Arizona, Arizona, Washington,
maybe Oregon and California combining force to have as a strength.
They can somewhat have a model. They can I wouldn't

(01:00:06):
say complete, but they can be transcribed to the East
coast because we we see the growth going on on
the East coast in so many stay in so many states,
like in Tactic for instance, but we see the complete opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Happening in the in the West coast.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
We're the game, right we we we we we we
have less breeding, we have less forces, And obviously racing
had become very very very very small these days.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
So in order for us to have a.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
Presence and and and to to bring horses back again,
I think it's time for us to unify. It's time
to talk at a high level and to combine efforts
and to make it to make it a West coast
racing again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Okay, well that might be the angle needed to to
boost for the future, because things right now not great
in northern California. Johnny, thanks so much for joining us,
and we appreciate your interest in the Northwest and looking
forward to watching your horses run and seeing you at

(01:01:07):
Emerald Downs in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
Oh, thank you very much for hiving me, and I'm
looking forward. I'm actually Moray made my takking his reservation.
I should be there for opening day. I'm going to
spend the weekend there. Wit original race is gonna come
with me. I'm going to spend the whole weekend date.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I have a blast.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I'm pretty sure that is great. Johnny, thanks again and
good luck in twenty twenty five. Thank you anything. Thank
you Johnny Toboda joining us on horse racing Northwest. And yeah,
he is really heavily involved. And you know he mentioned
that possible angle to combine some states and possibly split

(01:01:45):
up some breeder awards and owner awards to strengthen the
whole West Coast. He told us about that down at
Pleasanton a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
So yeah, I think anything should be on the table
at this point, you know, and unification, you know, joining
forces can be a good good thing, you know, Lake
hands not only just cooperation, but monetarily it probably makes
some sense too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Okay, we are moving on to sports shorts, and Vince,
I'll take one here. The NCAA Final four on Saturday,
and going back a few years, there was a unique
ball club on the West coast. Now, if you lose
the championship game and it's your only lost of the year,
then you lost to the champ. And that's happened. Gonzaga

(01:02:29):
lost in twenty twenty one to Baylor, they were unbeaten,
and Indiana State, of course that famous game against Michigan
State in nineteen seventy nine. Indiana State was unbeaten, so
their only loss was to the champ. Well, and I
know you're well aware of this. The nineteen seventy seventy
one USC Trojans were twenty four and two. Then they

(01:02:51):
couldn't play in the NCAA tournament because only one team
from the Pac eight back then would make it. And
of course UCLA was in stretch of what seven consecutive
NCAA titles. But both losses by USC were two Ucla.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Yeah, and yeah it was that Ron Raley on that Yeah,
Ron Riley, Ron Riley and Dennis Dennis mo Layton great
player and Bob Boyd, the former Seattle University coach, really
a good coach and uh yeah he had that team
playing great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
But that's west Fall too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
It was all west Fall.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
And what was UCLA that Well did they ever lose
in poly Pavilion back then?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
You know they were twenty nine and won that year
they lost a Notre Dame. That wasn't the famous Notre
Dame game that age seventy four, Yeah, that was later,
but they also that might have been their previous loss. Yeah,
because yeah, the next year Walton was there and they
went thirty and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Oh they won eighty eight, yeah straight, yeah, but yeah
that was just you know, there wasn't a sixty four
team tournament and all that, and yeah, that was a
shame because they might have been the second best team
in the nation play.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
They lost sixty four sixty and seventy three sixty two.
You'd see USC twenty four and two in nineteen seventy one,
losing only to the national champions Vince Okay as.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
You know, what's the word quirky. I like these quirky stats,
and I got another one here. In nineteen ninety Eddie Murray.
We all remember him, the great Baltimore Orioles slugger for
most of his career, then played for the Dodgers and
the Indians. But in nineteen ninety Eddie Murray led all
of baseball and batting average that's National League American League,

(01:04:35):
but didn't win a batting title.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
How is that possible?

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Well, this was because William McGee got traded mid season
from the NL to the AL. In the NL, Willie
McGee batted three thirty five, while in the ALE he
batted two seventy four, so his overall batting average was
three twenty four. But he had enough at bats to
qualify for the NL title, so at three thirty five

(01:04:58):
he was higher than Eddie Murray's three thirty So the
batting title went to McGee, even though Eddie Murray led
all of baseball in overall batting average that year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, that is that is an oddit team. Yeah, Eddie Murray,
I think he was one of the guys that for Baltimore,
Bill Coddle just blew away three Orioles. I'll never forget that.
I was at the Mariner Ken Singleton.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Two Phill Coddle was untouchable.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Oh my gosh, these Orioles came up and it was
a close game, and he just struck out three straight
Orioles just with fastball, fastball, fastball exactly. Okay, So I
had one other quick one. I wanted to mention.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
A horse that we've kind of followed from we talked
about northern California is Ill Billitor, who's running the last
two miles. He won a sensational allowance race at sant
Nigo last week at eight to one, going to mile
in thirty six and three ear into career high ninety
six fire speed figure paid eighteen twenty beat a top
class field of allowance runners. Jose Batista. Well, we mentioned

(01:05:58):
it because Ed and Teresa Denight here from Kent, and
that horse ran well in the mile in twenty twenty three,
finishing second. Not so great last year, but it's really
back on the beam. So that's a horse to keep
an eye on. He's going good, Ill Bellator.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
That's good to hear. Yeah, two straight mile appearances for him,
and again he gave five Star General a real battle
there in twenty twenty three, and we'll find out some
information on five star General. We know he is standing
at stead in Virginia after five consecutive appearances in the
Long Acres Mile and two straight wins. All right, we

(01:06:34):
kind of went through selections with the big a. Let's
get on to our trivia. Hey, Russ Knakagawa got the
most recent one, Vince, that's not too big of a surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
The question was which Washington horse of the Year in
the Emerald Downs era nineteen ninety six to twenty twenty
four had the least amount of starts? And you know,
if you're thinking of a horse of the year, you're
thinking of a campaign. Well, these horses did really well.
One was a two year old Tally's Lucky Bus Ride

(01:07:06):
won Grade one at Santa Nita. And Seila Schaman was
a good horse in California, a Washington bread between Northern
caln and Southern cal They both only raised three times,
but did a lot of great work and were Washington
Horses of the Year. Russ got them both. Congratulations Russ Knackagawa.

(01:07:29):
This week's question, which state based sire had a Washington
Horse of the Year in each of his first two
crops a different horse Washington based sire of course, and
had a Washington horse of the year. Vince's mind's turning
right now. I think I know one of them for sure.

(01:07:51):
He had a horse of the year in his first
two crops. That's pretty good start to be in a stud. Okay, Well,
send your answers to trivia at Emerald downs dot com
and final comments, Vince.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
Nope, just that we're getting close. Yeah, and stable are
air beginning to fill up, coming out and watch training
some morning, have breakfast when the weather gets better. It's
good to see a lot of people out last Sunday
on the apron and in the cafe and all that
tells me we're getting close.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Okay, Yeah, keep in mind the Emerald Racing Club for
a horse ownership opportunity and emeraldowns dot com with a
lot of great information ticke it's available there. Thanks for
listening to horse Racing Northwest.

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