Kentucky Derby Preview - Episode #147 - Win Place Show

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Mucosuit As they round the turnin at for home, Tribunal

(00:52):
Love clear by two and a half. Samanas is chasing
and park rug Cowboy digs in at the rail, but
Pride Bunal Love trying to hold off the challenge of Samanas,
Who's coming on with every stride. Samanas the outside, Samanas
very tight with sign Samanas and Tribunal Love. Those two

(01:14):
very close at the line.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Horse Racing Northwest from Emerald Downs, Day number two of
the twenty twenty five meeting. Coming up this Saturday, first
race one fifty pm. It's Kentucky Derby Saturday, the Big A,
Anthony Stabil, John White joining us to talk Kentucky Derby US,
Joe Wittie and Vince Brune here from Emerald Downs. Vince

(01:38):
I thought it was a pretty darn good atmosphere for
opening day and we just heard the first race stretch
run Sumanas. Sumanas took the opener for trainer Sergio Perez yep.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
I thought it was great. The weather was wasn't bad,
you know, it was the rain held off, and well,
it's like, for example, we got Thoroughbred Daily News. Jay N.
Campbell is out here and you can read he did
a fine story just covering racing in the Northwest, particular
at Emerald Downs, and he couldn't say enough of good
things about just the atmosphere and what fun he saw

(02:12):
people having at the racetrack. And you and I have
talked about that for years. The atmosphere here is always
great and it was a fine way to start the season.
I know the quality is not what we're probably going
to see over the fifty one days. In fact, we'll
talk about our second card coming up this Saturday, which
looks pretty solid. But the racing itself was pretty exciting.
We had some good finishes.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well, we have a fifty one day meet and that
was going to be our work. That's our worst card
to the meet right there, it's going to be. We
had thirty nine horses in seven races and the local guys,
you know, some of them just aren't quite ready. But
this week's field size is over seven and a half
per race this week, I mean Saturday, it's our only

(02:53):
day of racing, by the way.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
And not only is the field size up, the quality
is pretty good too. The features a ten thousand dollar
older horse claimer. Honestly, Joe doing that line, I could
have made almost every horse six to one in there.
It is a real grab bag. I think I set
on company's dream, but that one could go a lot
of different ways. And then we have a maiden special
weight with a ten horse field that looks really strong.

(03:18):
We have a maiden twenty five that drew well. So yeah,
very good, very encouraging, and I think it's only going
to get better from there.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, a couple of as you mentioned, those maiden races,
a lot of young horses, several first time starters. So
first race one fifty. And if you're coming out for
simulcasting at Churchill Downs on either Oaks Day Friday May
second or Derby Day Saturday May third, the fifth floor
is open at seven thirty am. Seven thirty am The

(03:46):
Kentucky Derby goes off just before four pm our time
on Saturday, So our gates will open at eleven am
on Saturday for the public to be on the apron
and they're seating for Emerald Downs races. But once again,
if you're going to the fifth floor, that's going to
be open at seven point thirty a m. For simulcasting

(04:09):
and if you want to sneak a look at live racing,
you're welcome to. So we'll have our fabulous hat contest.
Make sure you sign up for that if you get
decked out. Wasserman, who's going to be inducted into the
Washington Thoroughbred Hall of Fame this August. He's still our
tracks all time leading money earner, as you well know, Vince,

(04:30):
And I think that was the first year you were
here when he won that thrilling two thousand and eight mile.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Yeah, twenty three years of age. Now. Jennifer still takes
him around the track out here. Had Mike Seeley, who
had on as a guest last week, showed him a
little bit around the barn area, and Jennifer was showing
him Wasserman the other day and he's like, Wow, what
a cool horse, you know, And.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I think I just said Wasserman. But I didn't say
he's going to lead the post.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
He's going to lead the post race the fourth.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Race, Yeah, the race before the Kentucky Derby. So at
Emerald Downs. Of course he's going to lead the post
parade here looking forward to that, Yeah, Anthony Stabil John
White talking derby. The pick threes, we had some decent
payouts in those, because it's just a twelve percent takeout
in pick three wagers here at Emerald Downs this year

(05:19):
an outstanding figure. Also, of course, the penny breakage, and
that gives more money back to the winners as well,
the winners of wagers the training day. We did one
of those today on a beautiful Friday morning, and there's
another sign. There was all kinds of horses out there
after the break this morning.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, And like you say, it's it's going to even
pick up more here because Turf Paradise has their final
day racing this Saturday, and then we've got a lot
of horses shipping north from there.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah. We've had what seven hundred and fifty to seven
to seventy five horses the last couple of years. This
year it's going to be one hundred and fifty to
two hundred more horses than that. Any other comments from
opening day. Tim mccanna, who's won ten titles here, he
won with both of his starters.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
We had talked that Tim was going to have an
increased presence and he went two for two one of those.
Another one of the exciting races was the second race
where Blazing Peam, who looked on paper like the fastest horse,
and Mister Executive, those kind of looked like the two
on paper that Tim's horse is going to go to
the lead and Blaine Write's trainee, mister Executive was going

(06:32):
to chase, and that's the way they went all the
way around, mister Executive gradually getting there but couldn't quite
get up. But that was another real fun race on
opening day.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yep, that was there. We had several close finishes, including
in the sixth race. John Lindley came out with Chrome's
Best copy right on top and she scored at eight
to one.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Very game, and that horse likes Emeral downs.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh man, you know I didn't have her in my
last pick three, and so then we get to the
sixth race and he's saying these things, and yeah, how
did I leave her out? So I did go and
play the double to her to the winner of the
last race, so I got a little bit going there,
and John did well with her in there.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
So yeah, well you were just mentioning before the show.
We were talking in our meeting that I got to
give a little thumbs up to the guys on TV
and the track announcer. You guys knocked him dead opening day,
and as you mentioned, there were some prices we did.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Tom Harris picked the first three winners, including Fantastic Dream
in the third that paid seventeen to sixty.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Congratulations to Castillo on his first win.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, that's right. Pablo Castillo, the twenty nine year old
had his first mount ever in North America in the
first race and finished out of the money, finished on
Park Road Cowboy. But then his second mount in North America,
he won on Fantastic Dream. That was a nice milestone
for him.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah. I gave out three horses on last week's podcast
as selections. None of them won, but I did.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Right there.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, but I did my starred pick, best bet pick
on the website was po Piece and she came through paid.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
No.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
I have made a little play on that horse too,
looking back and Uh, that was a kind of a
head scratcher, but it just kind of came we like
that horse kind of likes this track.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's another one, like like Crumb's best copy. As I
mentioned live there. She came in Nimmel Downs last year
with four starts and no placings and then just all
of a sudden, you know, ransomthing.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
And you know, we forget about we haven't seen Julian
couton here a lot. He showed how strong a writer
he is there. It drove that horse up inside and
then a strong ride to the wire to get the money.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, yes, indeed, so Francisco Duran, he did.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
You win too, he doubled on opening day. Yeah, he's
going to have his presence felt here. And like I say,
it's it was a competitive opening day. On paper, it
didn't look so hot going in, but it played out
that way and you can see it's gonna be. It's
going to be a hotly contested meat.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Okay, the Emerald Racing Club you can still join for
that five hundred dollars fee, and again you're going to
be a horse owner with no other fees. You do
need to pay for your license as well, which is
a little over one hundred bucks, but no vet bills,
no training bills other than the five hundred, and you
always get money back at the end of the year.
And you guys are are you have a couple of

(09:33):
horses in your barn.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Now we do Pacific Zip and Bengos Heat and had
a race for opening day. Race didn't quite fill And
but you know, I could try to tell people in
the group your experience just what other and every other
owner experiences, you know, you entering the race and having
it run or two different things. But yeah, it's gonna

(09:55):
be a lot of fun. We've got a couple of
marrors this year, so we'll see how that plays out.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
And in current action, Coastal Jazz went into today as
Emerald Downs. Excuse me. Coastal Jazz, seven year old son
of Coastguard, entered today as Washington Bread's top earner after
running second at ter Paradise yesterday. Four starts, two wins
in a second for Coastal Jazz sixty five thousand, two

(10:22):
hundred and fifty dollars. But he was top today by
a horse. You made a little wager on Washington Bread
winning at Churchill Downs.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Vince A horse we're very familiar with here at emeral
Down's named paint Ya Later stakes placed here last year,
won a good allowance race, and now in her career
as one of odds of ten to one, eleven to one,
and today at thirteen to one.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
She's by you know, the paint you later, the horse
by Painter. But she's out of a miracleed Impecunius, who
was a Chad Christiansen. Frank Lucarelli claim me about seven
years ago at Golden Gate and Joe, she's this is
her first fall, first foal and full number two starts
in that maiden special on Saturday, drew the outside fought

(11:06):
by Harbor. The gold out of Impecunious. Looks like it's
training pretty good. So did a little you know, uh,
looking on the bottom end of Impecunious. I believe that's
how you pronounce it. She's by Vronsky, and I've always
liked the bronze. Vronsky's strong California sire. The dam was
called Lost Prophet, and she just has winners up and

(11:29):
down that family tree. The second damn Lachaposa, produced the
Grade one winners Chapposa Springs and you and I so
these these horses out of impecunious look pretty promising. And
you know, Paint Later is now one on synthetic dirt
and turf. And and congratulations to Washington Bred trainer Ed Moher.

(11:50):
That was his two thousandth career win.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
And you and I somehow missed this horse when it
was eleven to one at Turfway in the in the spring.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I followed Turfoy pretty too. Yeah, what I was doing
that weekend?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, And they interviewed ed after the race and he said,
right when they got her, he said, yeah, we this
seemed like a pretty nice Philly.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Paint You Later ran in three stakes at Emerald Downs
last year as a three year old. Philly did not win,
with stakes placed a couple of times. But Boy a
Churchill Down's winner today. She's up over seventy six thousand
in earnings for twenty twenty five three starts, two wins.
Has Vince mentioned that other victory at Turfway Park earlier
this year. Huge Bigley is third at forty two thousand.

(12:35):
Lonesome Boy, John Parker's runner and Washington Horse of the
Year for twenty twenty four. He has a win already
this year, and he is in this Saturday at parks
and a six horse field with some of those tough
knockers that go a mile and seventy yards at parks.
It's a six horse field. Lonesome boy in this Saturday

(12:56):
derby day.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
We have to wrap a string around my finger to
remind me of that because we got so much going
on that day with the derby and racing here. But
I want to catch them on some way and action again.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Okay, let's see. Yeah, if you want to join the club,
give Vince a call two five three, two eight eight
seven seven two three or v Broun or Vince b
Vince bat emeraldowns dot com. And yeah, plenty of time
still joined the club. A lot of great perks. You
do a great job with all the club members. And

(13:27):
one of our where are they now stories this year
is on one of last year's club's horse who looks
like uh, sir looking Glass has found a good home.
We'll get to that as the season goes along. In fact,
this weekend story is Grayson Nell and she's never did race,
but boy, her value is real high for what she

(13:50):
can bring to some kids in need. And we'll play
that before the first race on Saturday. Hastings is going
to start on Saturday as well, And let's go right
now to track announcer Dan Jukech at Hastings.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Thanks Joan Vincent. Yes, it is Opening Day at Hastings
this coming Saturday, Kentucky Derby Day for the twenty twenty
five season. An exciting season coming up. I mean, we've
got lots of returning stars, and to kick it off,
we're going to go Saturdays and Sundays until the middle
of June, at which time we pick up Friday nights
and go Friday Saturday for the months of middle of June, July, August,

(14:33):
and then once we get to September, we're back to
Saturdays and Sundays. So all in all, a pretty exciting
twenty twenty five coming up. The opening day card a
little light on entries, but as you guys saw also,
February was kind of a rite off until about the
sixteenth when we had the big freeze here in the Northwest.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah. Yeah, our opening day wasn't stellar, but we're coming
back with a pretty good second day card, and you
guys always have a great stake schedule up there. Tell
us about some of the returning stars and some of
the jockey and trainer Colony Dan.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Well, you know in the returning stars. Of course, we
just had our annual bank with the Thurbird's Awards bank
with this past Wednesday, and of Hona took everything home.
She was a three year old Philly Champ. She was
a three year old BC Bread Champ, three year old
Open Champ and also the horse of the Year. So
she did very well for mister Redickopp and you know,

(15:32):
maybe you'll see her down there.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
I don't know what the plans are currently, but she
is in training. August Rain, he won the BC Derby
Canadian Derby and another one for mister Redtack Copp and
maybe it might be a mile possibility. I know mister
Rettacopp likes to run in the mile down at the
Emerald Down.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, that's great. And how about jockeys and trainers.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
Well, the jockeys, we got Ammadale Perez coming back. He
won everything last year and he's looking for I believe
it's title number seven in his career here and we're
gonna be a little light in that. Antonio reyis right
now has not got his paperwork done the same with
Silvina Morales. But and the third jockey in the standings

(16:14):
last year, kre On Kellawa. He's back and looking to
make some noise and he's a good polished rider, and
I think he might be able to just give Mday
a little run for his money here at the top
as the top rider.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Okay. And a lot of the same trainers that we've
seen the past few years, John Snow and Barb Heads
and so forth. Robbie Gilker, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
Steve Henson, he had left at the top of the
heap last year with fifty one wins. Training a lot
for Willow Creek Farms. They've kind of split their barn
this year between Hastings and Century Mile, so we're gonna
lose a few horses there, but they've still kept their
two year old champ from last year, which was Mount Doom.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Here.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
He'll be aiming for the be Derby in September.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, Saturday's opening day up. But Hastings they're not racing
this Sunday. I don't know if Dan said that or not.
They're just going Saturday like we are, and then they'll
go to their Saturday Sunday schedule. Next weekend May tenth
and eleventh, we'll take a break. We're gonna come back
with the big a Anthony stabil On horse Racing Northwest.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
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Speaker 2 (17:28):
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doesn't matter what you do or where you're coming from Mucos.
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Speaker 7 (17:57):
They're at the top of the stretch in the Sinaita Derby,
and here's Baeza. Baeza forges pass citizen Ball and journalism
has kicking in the high gear. Journalism and Baezon Senna
Nordie Derby showdown and his journalism just in front of Baeza.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Write this down.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Journalism is the best in the West. As he wins
the sen Anita Derby.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
That was journalism winning the April fifth Santa Anita Derby.
Another big victory by the Kentucky Derby morning line favorite.
He's won four in a row. He lost his first
career start and the last four of all been around
two turns, he heads to Churchill Downs to face nineteen

(18:45):
others in Saturday's Kentucky Derby and big race time. We've
got to have on the big a Anthony stabil our
good friend from New York City, and Anthony Hey. A
twenty horse field is is always of great interest to
handicappers looking for a price, and Hey, trying to find

(19:06):
the winner of the derby's important too. Welcome man, Thank
you guys New York via Mohegan Sun.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I'm up here for those of you in the New
England area. If you are listening to Joe and Vince,
head on out to Mohegan Sun Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We
got action in the race book and sportsbook all all
weekend long. Mee, Mike mcnansky and Chantel Sutherland will be
here hosting the party. So come on out. I've been here.
I've been doing this on and off for twenty two years.

(19:32):
You have about a little New York right named Funny
Side in the two thousand and three Kentucky Derby on
me third two thousand and three, and they kind of
like to keep me around ever since.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
So that was a good start.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Come on out. That was a start. Yeah, that was
a start for me.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Get your picture taken with Chantelle. You'll never look so
good standing next to her.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I just want to hang around me because she's gonna
look really skimmy next night. That's what I think it is.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, well, great to have you on and I know
you love that. Mohegan sun Gig. Your track announcer career
is still going strong. You just started a meet at
finger Lakes again.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, ninety one days, two of them in the books.
Monday and Tuesday again this week, and then starting May twelfth,
we'll go to the traditional Monday, Tuesday Wednesday schedule. Looking
forward to my second full season in the booth up there,
and we actually have some breaking news for you guys, well,
two pieces of one's breaking. I don't know if you
guys have talked about this, but they just scratched Rodriguez

(20:31):
Oh from the Kentucky Derby, so Baa gets in. A
lot of people are going to be happy about that, boy.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, a lot of people have been touting Baeza all week.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I'm very happy about it because I don't think he
has a snowballs chance in hell, so I'll be betting
against him. So I'm happy he draws it me because
I think he got a chance to be the third
or fourth choice. And we got one other thing going on. Guys,
I'm starting a YouTube channel. We're launching a show. The
first show is called The Big Time with the Big
A and it is up and running. My first guest

(21:04):
was Schevor McCarthy. It is a classic talk show, so
we'll have interviews every every episode. We'll have some sketch comedy,
we'll have educational segments on horse racing, We'll have some
fun of the track.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Hey, I'm liking this. I'm liking this, so it's already.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Great.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
The Big Time with the Big As.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
The Big Time with the Big A. It's on the
YouTube channel. You can just go into the YouTube search
and the Big Time with the Big A. I know
a lot of a lot of you, a lot of
the gang out in Pacific Northwest. Follow Twitter. It's big
a big time show on Twitter, and I've been retweeting
stuff from my personal account of the Big Ask deal.
So yeah, just keep an eye out for everything. There's
a Facebook, there's an Instagram, all the good stuff. If

(21:51):
you're going to go on there and listen, please hit
the subscribe button so we can bring you more content
and we could do some live stuff for you. But yeah,
looking forward to the big time with the big a
we want, said Trevor McCarthy. Was phenomenal, no holds. Bard
talked about everything in his career and now in retirement,
and we had a really good time with it. And
blessed to be doing something like this. I've always wanted
to be. I was always a frustrated Johnny Carson David Letterman,

(22:14):
and here we go, here's my chance.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
That's great. Were you a Seinfeld fan at all?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Not at all? But I love Kurby your enthusiasm. Okay, sure,
I know that makes very little sense to people.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
That's all right, Well, looking forward to seeing your show.
Did you do a little Kentucky Derby talk there?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I did very very little bit. It's not going to
be much of a gambling show, to be more about
trying to bring the fans back and try to create
some new fans and try to put the fun we
call them at the Fun and Games Network. That's where
all the programming will be. We're trying to bring the
fun back to horse racing. I think a lot of
people have kind of overlooked that the last few years
and we're going to try.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
To bring a fun back that is great, Okay, I'm
looking forward to seeing that after we do our podcast.
We've got day number two at Emerald Down Saturday. We
talked about that, but time to talk more about the
Kentucky Derby. Rodriguez is out part of the speed. That
huge victory in the Wood Memorial leaves Bob Baffort with
one runner in his return to to Derby time Citizen

(23:09):
Bull from the rail and Martine Garcia is certainly going
to be looking for a sharp start from that horse,
a very quick break to get into the race from
the one hole. So we've got journalism with the big
buyer figures the great performances out west. And then I've
had a tough time finding the difference between sovereignty and Sandman,

(23:32):
so start sorting things out for us a little bit here.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
So I mean the horse to beat this journalism. He
is the proverbial of the figurative, the man amongst boys
love every I mean, there's nothing dislike. Stride is amazing.
He looks the part, got a nice pedigree. Michael McCarthy
certainly knows the way of on a resource. He's been
perfect around two turns. If you have a knock, go Vince.

(23:58):
I think the big knock would be that he's running
in the small fields and he's gonna face the crowd,
and right around forty eight hours, that's the biggest knock.
Saturday afternoon, he's gonna get in the gate with nineteen others,
and you know it's gonna be a little bit of
a culture shock. Wait, when he looks to his left,
he's gonna see horses, and when he looks to his right,

(24:19):
he's gonna see horses, And ordinarily he's used to seeing,
you know, one about the length and a half in
front of him, and maybe another one about length and
a half too, was inside behind him.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
But Anthony, I don't mean to interrupt, but the one
thing I will say is those small fields. But that
was not a soft trip in the San Anita Derby
that he overcame, and you know, great.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Point number one, Vince, and number two. I'm not gonna
say it was done by design, But I do wonder
if Michael McCarthy wanted to get a little rough him
up a little bit, because the truth of the matter
is those horses in California, including bays, I don't the
Baasa thing. Don't even need to me. I don't even

(25:01):
need to discuss him. I want nothing to do with
him from the twenty hole as the fourth choice, and
he tripped out and he couldn't beat this horse. So
what makes me think he's so much better than the
horses in California? It's not even funny. I mean, let's
call a spade a spade. Barnes was out there running

(25:22):
interference for Citizen Bowl. He didn't show up. Barnes didn't
show up by a think it's a perfect trip. He
can't hold this freight train off the only thing I
think that can beat him. And you're right, he got
a little bit roughed up in that trip, and I
think that might have been like I said, I don't
know if it was directly done by design, but maybe

(25:43):
he needed to get a little bit of a blow
into him. Maybe he needed to get a stiff ration
to him, just because he's that much better than those horses.
He hit the eighth fall and it was like they
owed him money in front of him. He put his
head down, he just ran at them and he was
going to get them, no doubt. I don't doubt he's

(26:06):
the best horse in the race. I just I can't
take you with that price. And you know, like I said,
the big field is a bit of a question mark
for him.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah and uh yeah, just a lot of horses coming
into the Derby stocking closing successful style. So okay, journalism,
you don't have any big knocks on them other than
well the two you mentioned, the field size and the
short price you need to take. So who's next?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
So I'm picking Sovereignty on top. Everybody knows how much
I love Billmont and the thing that's probably impressed me
the most about him is he makes up brown consistently
in a place that historically favors front runners, and that's
gulfrem Park. And you know, it's it's funny because both
the Oaks Favorite Good Cheer and Sovereignty are owned by

(26:54):
a dolphin. And you there is this this liberty that
trainers can when they don't have to answer to owners
about leaving money on the table. Right, good Cheer? Who's perfect?
I know? Perfect? Six or six? Brad Cox was able
to go break her maiden in the end at Horseshoe,
Indy for a thirty two thousand dollars maiden pot when
there are one hundred thousand dollars maiden races in the States.

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She was training in Kentucky. Part of that is because
they don't have to worry about the first money with Godolphin.
And I think he wanted to run her two turns
because all of her races have been two turns. That's
just a little bit of a theory of mine. Sovereignty
Bill Mott was able to do the same thing. Bill
Mott ran him a couple of times, and a conservative

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guy like Mott broke his maiden in the street sense
again leaving a lot of leaving a good chunk of
money on the table. Again, when you're training for the
richest owners in the game, you can do that. I
love the fact that he has to win at Churchill.
I love the fact that he getting drowns just closed
ground consistently at coach Stream Park all winter long. And

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I just think that he's going to get a Nord,
especially now that Baeza will take some money. Sandman's taking
some money, Baffort's taking a little bit more money. Citizen
bowls seventeen to one bottles, they have both double digit
Citizen bulls seventeen to one. Sovereignty's nine or ten to
one right now, you know. And there's over a million

(28:19):
dollars in this pool at this point, so it's it's
it's it looks like he's going to be eight nine
to one. I have a dot we would get that
price on sovereignty, and I'm looking forward to making a
little bit of a hopefully getting alive and to pick
fours and took fives with him, but yeah, he'll be
the pick. And I got to tell you you're gonna
be able to knock me over with a sneeze if

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one of those two horses don't win the Kentucky Derby.
I don't I think the rest of these horses are
average at best. I don't think there's much in this crop.
And I think they're both better than the two of them.
Sovereignty and journalism are that much better than the rest
of these horses.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Okay, well, sovereignty, Yeah, he has a pretty easy win
over saying, man, I see that race coming in the
street sense at Churchill Down's last fall. Uh, you know,
with the scratch of Rodriguez, the pace not quite as
hotly contested. But you know, you get twenty horses, you're
you're still going to get some front runners at East Avenue.

(29:17):
What do you think about him? You know, real promising
two year old, favored in the BC Juvenile and then
comes back with that huge race at Keenland.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So if I want to make any money, I'm going
to have to try to get a little creative underneath.
And it's weird. I'm gravitating towards all the even numbered horses. Underneath.
I want to use Cold Battles of the horses out
of the arkansaut Derby, I want to use him. He
made a move into that wicked face and the other

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two horses Publisher in the winter sad Man, they were
a will just come pick up the pieces. I think
Cold Battle did some actual, real running in that race,
so I would want him. I love comeback stories and
East Avenue was as precoci as a two year old
as we've seen in a long time, very fast, gaudy figures. Man,

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he fell off, but the blinkers really seemed to wake
him up. I have a problem with the Bluegrass go though, guys.
I came home in thirteen and two, and you know
those horses on the front end look suspent a horse
like Burnham Streets supposed to pick those horses up. That's
why I don't really prefer him. I would rather East Avenue.

(30:29):
But again, to me, he would be a peripheral player.
I've used him as some tries and soupers. I think
it's hard for him to get in one of the
top two spots. I feel the same way about this tastic.
I think his tastic can get a piece of this pie.
But coming off the Louisiana, Derby layoff and always been
a mile on three sixteenths, but he really didn't beat

(30:50):
much down there. And Grande if you're looking for long shots,
I mean, those are the four horses I would mess
around underneath the two favorites, or the two horses that
I like the best. Grande Bronbig another one. You know,
again not by design, But I don't know if Todd
Pletcher tighten the screws on him for the Wood Memorial,
because it was the kind of thing where Rodriguez got

(31:13):
loose and Rodriguez ran away, and then when they turned
for home, Joan Davis turned them loose, and I was
I almost think he was ridden or was told to
ride him in a cautious way, like get the points, go,
get the second place points. Yeah, you know, don't don't
be a hero, don't make don't take the horse out

(31:34):
of his comfort zone, don't go after Rodriguez early. And
it worked out and it got to the derby, and
I think he comes into the race. So a little
bit of a wid long shot.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Look, okay, a son of curling, like journalism is grande
Johnny Velaskaz back of board. He's two for two on him.
Junior Alvarado, why did he not ride? I don't remember
the circumstance, sovereignty.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
And he was out three weeks. He got hurt.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Oh that's right, Yeah, he got that's right. He got
banged up pretty good there.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
I think, didn't uh, Junior just go fell off a
horse today at Churchill?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I did.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard an announcement if
he's okay or not.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I mean I think he was up. I think
Travis Stone said he was up. I can tell you this.
That race world record, he was two fifths of the
second off the track record. So that track is playing.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
We saw that seven and four. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it's supposed to get a lot of weather. There's
there's there's forecast between a half inch and almost two
inches of rain over of course in the next forty
eight hours.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Does that bother you with your pick at all? And
Anthony does that?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think they'll handle it fine. I think they'll handle
it fine. I'm not too worried about that.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah. Well, conventional wisdom on Churchill Downs as horses are
able to kind of run their race.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
You know, and on the wet tracks. I'm kind of intrigued.
You mentioned Grande. I mean at first two starts for
both a mile and eighth.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I believe, which is a mile and a mile and
an eighth.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Mile and a mill on eighth. So I mean it
looks course, certainly looks like he might get the mile
on the quarter, which of course is a huge question
mark for every horse going into the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
You know. Then that's why I mentioned the brad Cox
thing about with good cheer, right, and I won't really
we don't really, I mean, unless you guys want to talk.
I think she's a lead type sinch in the Oaks.
I don't see. I don't know who can be during
the Kentucky Oaks. But again, when a guy like brad
Cox takes her to horseho in me the same way
with Todd waiting for the waiting for January to run

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the source of Flat mile at Gulf Stream. They don't
want to waste races. It's it's more I think of
a new Age outlook on things. Bill Mott is a
great example. Bill Mott had really good turf forces. You
know what he did with them first time? He ran
them seven eighths on the dirt because he felt like
the dirt race was worth two or three workouts, and

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they work on the dirt anyway, you know, he would
run them. He ran Yage I remember him running Yaglie,
multiple Grade one winner. He ran they Age seven eighths
on the dirt. I want to say it was the
day after the derby and he got me the pole
and when he came back, Jerry Bailey wrote him mile
and to sixteen for a mile in eighth on the
grass and he pade nine dollars and I collected for
about twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
You know, yeah, you mentioned that go into a lesser track.
I mean that some people would actually look at that
maybe as a negative traditionally. Boy, you know, they must
not think too highly of it. They're shipping out to
you know, maybe not a Churchill or a Saratoga, one
of the big broad tracks, And I actually view that
as a negative. Were it's interesting you view that as

(34:33):
a positive.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Well, you know, Brad Cox had a filly in Mail
that he did pretty good with that broke on maiden
first time out on the turf at Horseshoe, Indy. It
was monta Moy Girl. So when he does things like that,
there's a pointed reason. When Todd waits to run them
a mile, it's a pointed reason. They can't sprint. They

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need a distance aground in good cheers, in good cheers.
In the instance of good cheer, I think he wanted
two turns because she broke and made it in August.
There aren't two turn races for horse for two year
olds in August most anywhere else except Monmouth Park, which
he's not going to ship in a Monmouth when he
can go and do it in a place where he's

(35:16):
had success with one of the best phillies and mayors
we've seen in the last fifteen years. So when these trainers,
when these and you know, I say new age, Todd's
getting up there now, But Todds still has that new
age approach a little bit it's kind of like the
Generation X of between the boomers and the millennials and
horse racing. He still has that. You know, he's deliberate

(35:40):
with his horses, but he'll do some things newer, like
waiting and not giving a horse a race. People don't
like wasting races now, So what a horse like Ronde? Yeah,
I think he was a decided you know, has decided
that he can't sprink, let me run him a mile.
If I gotta wait. If that means waiting till January
and golf stream and Gulf shrooms running the mile races,
I'll wait till January and it's paid off. I mean,

(36:00):
two wins, very impressive, and then a good second to
a loose on the lead runner in the wood Memori.
And I think he's as live a long shot as
you're going to find in this Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Derby twenty to one morning line. Did you see his
odds recently?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I did not know. I just saw Sovereignty was nine
or ten to one. It was bouncing back between those two.
I saw Journalism was seven or two or four to one,
and then I didn't really pay attention to much else.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Okay, And a comment on Luxar Cafe, who's three for
three in Japan this year, a son of American Pharaoh.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I kind of feel guys like when they're coming over
here with a loaded gun, they chirp a little bit, right.
They were really high on Forever Young last year, and
they were one hundred percent right. I haven't heard that
much about this for us. I know he's coming into
the race the same way the horse to finish fifth
last year. Te O password. He kind of followed his journey.

(36:56):
I don't know what to do with him. I guess
he can get a piece of it. They haven't really
impressed me in the morning. I've been watching some of
the morning work shows and stuff. They haven't really impressed
me in the morning and stuff. But as far as
rounding out tries and super is sure, I mean, try
who you like, because it's to me, it's it's those two,
and then let them. They'll be a mad scramble for

(37:18):
the rest.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
So all right, Well, the Big A's up at Mohegan's son,
and uh, it's going pretty chalky this year. Vince for
the Big A.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
But you know, if you're gonna go chalky, the derby's
not bad because well he's mentioned the horses nine to
one right now, So that's you're right, that's not too chocolate.
That's not shabby if the horse comes out.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
But now that you called me chalky Joe, I gotta
kind of give you a price on me under car.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
All right, yeah, you do, you do, Tom.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
There are three or four horses in the derby. They
should be running earlier on the cart in the pate mile.
I like a horse. I like a horse of good
deal that thing mile. And it's Todd Pletcher again. It's
the number five gates, a wire who ran on turf
and the torpeda in his first four starts, and then
he ran him in the swale and he galloped. You

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went one, twenty two and two. He won by five.
He paid twenty seven and change twenty nine and change,
crazy price on Todd, and then he ran him back
in the fountain Youth and he kind of went the
wrong way. I don't even think he ran that poorly.
I just don't think he wants to go that far
number one. And he didn't have to clean his trip
faby and Pratt's gonna climb aboard. He's got some speed
to run into. He's got madacat rode from the rail.

(38:32):
He's got this California burrito in here, gamings to the outside,
Batchell Music the horse to be beating the Swales back,
So I think there's some speed in here. I think
it kind of sets up for him. I'm gonna see
if he can rebound coming back to one turn. I
like Gates to win to wire. Rather, I'm gonna make
an exact of box with Gaming the number six, and

(38:52):
then I'm gonna make a couple of straight five to
one five twos. But I'm gonna make Gates to wire
to win, uh and then make those exactlys and then
the race before that, the Churchill Downs Turf Mile. My
best bet of the weekend is Sacred Wish the number six.
I think she will. I think she'll gallup. I'm gonna
beout six three sixty.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Five in that race, Sacred Wish. Yeah, I know that horse. Okay.
Uh So what was Gatedwire's morning line?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Six to one six? That'd been enough price for your
Joe that I'll bet.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
I can I can give you. I can say that
to you because you know, I mean, hey, you did
your analysis, you backed it. All up, So that's all
we want, all.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Right, give a bit, I can give it back to
you because you're one of my favorite people. You know
that You've always I'll say it like I say it
every year. Plenty of times I didn't have a calling
card and my calling call was Joe Why in the
wood play show. You always made sure my name was
out there and stuff, and well, I will always cherish
that and be thankful for you and love you for
your friendship. And you have professionalism and realizing that every

(39:52):
now and then somebody just needs a break and you
are always willing to do that for me. We'll never
forget you for it.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Thank you, but you certainly held up your end. And
don't forget Bruno Valuable who worked for Naira for I
think three seasons. He goes, oh, you got to get
this guy on Man's He he's New York all the way,
he's from Brooklyn and he's got to get the gab.
He's opinionated as hell. And I said, yeah, it sounds good,

(40:17):
so hey, the rest is history. After that, after the
the the race at turf Way, it wasn't yeah, sinister
g it was before the race.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
He just passed John just passed and the rest in peace. Yeah,
it was at the at the wake with his boys,
his from his son Robbie was sold with the other
brothers on Finniston Gi and Paul wrote, Robbi is one
of my best friends. So yeah, twenty years twenty twenty
one years ago too, it's been a long time. That's
a lot of weight to carry for twenty one years.
My friend the big.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
As well, starting off at sixteen to win, sixteen to
one winner and there's been a whole bunch of them since.
So Anthony, great to have you as usual. I know
you're gonna have a great weekend, a lot of fun
at the at the Sun. So thanks for your time
again Derby week and we'll catch you up before the Belmont.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Sounds great, remember guys, catch the Big Time with the
Big A. Yeah YouTube chann we'll do subscribe and take
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Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, we'll hit definitely hit the subscribe there the Big
Time with the Big A. Anthony, Happy Derby Time, Happy Derby.
Talk to you later. Anthony Stabill up there at the
Mohegan Sun. He loves that gig too, so he mentioned, Yeah,
John Toscano passing away. We've got a few passing boy.
Unfortunately to relate, I think we've kind of stayed away

(41:34):
for those Vince for several weeks. But Jack Arnold passed. Boy.
Jack was a presence around here for in Washington racing
for a long time. A horse owner. He apparently worked
for Quinn Chin for quite a while in that Escro company,
and he had a tavern. He had the snappy tavern
in Renting. Jack owned for many years. And boy, you'd
see him playing cards in the quarter shoot, a lot

(41:57):
of mourning. Got a solitary yeah, a lot of that.
And always friendly he did. If he didn't like my
pick in the paddock, he'd wait around for me to
come out. I'll bet you a dollar, I'll take this horse.
And we did that for quite a while. And Jack
lived at Meryll Garden.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
He won a lot of races too as an owner. Yeah,
and he was very humble. When he'd win. I'd say, hey, congrats,
he'd go, yeah, you know, the horse ran good.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
He owned a couple of horses just last year a
moontime and Jazzy loved with Vince Gibson. So Jack Arnold
a real colorful member of our community. Big Bill Nick
Close passed well.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Boy.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Yeah, yeah, great man age ninety four.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Boy, what a presence around here. He was here for
training a lot for a lot of years, it turns out,
speaking with his son Todd and his daughter in Los
Shelley just earlier today. He was a mutual clerk at
long Acre starting in the seventies all the way till
ninety two. But he worked for Darrech Gold for forty years.

(42:58):
Was his main job. And of course he's been a
big time horse owner, you know, doctor Bruce.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
S of course.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
And I could talk hi about the old Seattle totems
in the Western Hockey League and he knew Mark Boilo
and Tommy McVie and gyle fielder and yeah, he was
a great guy, you know, just always always in a
good mood. One of them kind of guys you liked
seeing in the morning.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah. He he owned a horse called Viewing the Gold,
remember him, yes, first out, I think the same age
as Barkley, Mock one Rules and gold Rush Dancer. He
was a two year old that year and he was fast,
but Barkley was unbeaten that year. Mock one Rules was
unbeaten that year. Gold Rush Dancer won the Gottstein that year.

(43:43):
I know, Viewing the Gold won a really nice race.
I think it was closing Day and that was a
pleasurable horse for big Bill Nicholas. Big Bill wasn't all
that big. His son Todd is but Jose Navarro, of course,
his longtime trainer, and we're so I'm going to miss
big Bill. He was diagnosed with cancer just a couple

(44:06):
of months ago and left us at the age of
ninety four. And Dwayne hop passed away. A very important
member of the breeding and racing community here in Washington.
He was a doctor and operated Castlegate Farm. Served on
the Wtboa board from nineteen ninety eight to twenty twenty two.

(44:27):
Susan Sue Hop It was with him almost all the
time when you'd see him at the track, Dwayne and Sue,
and they had a son, Tim and bred among the
stars Skewing. They raced Ecletant here in the mid two thousands.
The Rosses trained form. She was a really nice mayor.
She didn't win a ton, but she was multiple stakes placed.

(44:50):
And yeah, they had the seventy acre farm and Graham
first named Thrift Ranch and later changed to Castlegate Farm.
Horatio they bred. I don't know if I mentioned him.
He won the Gottstein here and one of still holds
our track record for what two miles?

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Two miles? Yeah, Doctor Hopp was a you know the word,
classy guy. You bet he was really a nice man.
And you know that's three really big losses there, Joe.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
It is.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
It's kind of startling to think and speak about all
three of those men who have been such a big
part of Washington racing. So our condolences to their families
for sure. And we'll take a time out and we'll
come back with John White here on horse Racing Northwest.

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Speaker 4 (46:12):
Horse Racing Northwest. Our third segment here on our Kentucky
Derby Week podcast, Emerald Downs Day number two of racing
coming up Saturday, Kentucky Derby Day, our first race at
one fifty pm. We've got really much improved card and
again a lot of new barns from northern California, some
new names among the riders too, and so we're looking

(46:35):
forward to that. Kentucky Derby will be going about four pm.
And boy, I think it's been many, many, many years
consecutively John Whitez joined us either on the Winplay show
on KGr or horse Racing Northwest, and we got to
do it again because John is a well established national
historian and handicapper on the Kentucky Derby. John, great to

(46:59):
have beyond Derby Week.

Speaker 8 (47:02):
Great to be with you guys as always. You know,
the Kentucky Derby is noted for its traditions, you know,
the mint julips and I'm singing to my Kentucky home.
And for us, it's myself joining you, Joe and Vince
for some Derby talk used to be on the radio
on KGr, but nowadays on the podcast.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah. Indeed, and John started his strike system.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
What was it.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
It's close to twenty years now, isn't it, John.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
Actually over twenty years nineteen ninety nine. It was when
I came up with that system.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Well, it's it's really been a good barometer and it's
weeded out a lot of horses over the years, and
things have changed a little bit of course the last
ten years, with you know, horses jumping up to two
turns and not racing maybe as much, but still a
handicapping test. And the West Coast horse is the main

(47:59):
number one guy heading into the race this year.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
Well that's true, Joe. That is journalism trained by Michael McCarthy.
And actually, I'm very proud of Michael McCarthy what he's
accomplished already as a trainer. I've known him for decades actually,
and he spent many years and his assistant trainer to
one of the great trainers of all time, Todd Fletcher.

(48:25):
And then when Michael McCarthy went out on his own
to become a head trainer, he wanted to return to
his roots, his home in southern California. And so it's
not easy when you strike out on your own, even
when you're associated with someone as successful as Todd Pletcher.

(48:48):
And one thing about Michael McCarthy, he's already won one
of the three Triple Crown races. He won the Freaquent
Stakes with Rombauer and I came to find out shortly
after Rombauer one that I played a role in Michael
McCarthy getting that horse. Really and how that happened is

(49:09):
one of the owners of Ron Bauer had won a
race down the Hill, a stakes race at Santanita, and
I was in television at the time at Santanita and
interviewed him in the winter circle after the race, and
then after the interview was over, he said, I want
to ask you a question. We're thinking, you know, we're

(49:32):
looking for a good young trainer and is there anyone
you would recommend? And so I spent about five to
ten minutes talking up Michael McCarthy. I had completely forgotten
about that until one of the friends of that owner
called me after the Preakne Stakes and said, do you
remember recommending Michael McCarthy And I said, yes, I do,

(49:55):
now that you mention it, I had forgotten it. And
he said, well, that played a big role why they
picked Michael McCarthy and how he ended up with Rombauer.
So in a way, it's one of my all time
favorite kind of accomplishments in racing that I actually played
a role in a victory in a triple Crown race
for that trainer. Now McCarthy might well be on the

(50:18):
brink of winning at Kentucky Derby. He's definitely got the
horse to beat.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Yeah, Journalism four straight wins. He sprinted in his career
debut last October, finished third of five, and then four
straight two turn races, including the last three graded stakes races.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
You know, John, and you mentioned Michael McCarthy playing already
having a Preakness win, and he also was kind of
key in the development of a Belmont winner, you might recall.
So if Journalism does clear the first two hurdles, he
has a little experience there too. And you know who
I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
That would be ragged the rich as the Philly who.
I am just flabbergasted that she never got in the
Hall of Fame. She was on the ballot again this year.
But I told Todd Pletcher myself about four or five
years ago. We were chatting about it, and I said,
you know, he said he was shocked that she's not in.

(51:17):
And I said, well, Todd, unfortunately, I don't think she's
ever getting in at this point. And he said, no,
you know, maybe she will. And I said, Todd, I
just got to be honest with you. I think there's
just too many people that are of the opinion she
didn't make enough starts, which is really ludicrous today because
horses don't race as much as they used to. And

(51:37):
we just saw flight Line go into the Hall of
Fame with six career starts. Well, Regg's the Riches made
seven career starts, you know, and we're going to see
flight Line go in shortly. He didn't go in, but
justify when in with six career starts as a triple
Crown winner. So, in other word, you have justifying the

(51:57):
Hall of Fame with six career starts. Light Wine, there's
no doubt he's going in as soon as he becomes
Eligible's six career starts. That yet Gregg's the Riches can't
get in. And the problem with Reregg's the Riches is
she was not on the ballot for the first several
years after she became eligible. There was such a stigma
on her not having enough career starts, she couldn't even

(52:19):
get on the ballot. Finally she got on the ballot,
but as time has gone on, you know, we're further
and further away from her tremendous accomplishment of winning the
Belmont Stakes. And she wanted even though she stumbled at
the start and raced wide. If you went back and
looked at whether her thorograph or Regasin number would have

(52:40):
been because they take into account your wide trip, her
number would have been so vastly superior to Curlin in
the Belmont it would be ridiculous. And of course Curlin
went on to be the Horse of the Year that
year and then again was Horse of the Year the
next year. With Gregg's the Riches. You're talking about a
Philly who became the first billy and old for one

(53:00):
hundred years to win the Belmont, but she can't get
in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, I know that. You have been on her program
and you just explained why. Yeah, beating Curlin and the Belmont,
And was it the Santa Anita Oaks where she was
you know, eight wide.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
For now that was the last Virgin of Stake or
the Santanito. But that's one of the most amazing performances
I've ever witnessed at Santanita, in all the races and
thousands of races I saw there. And to show you
how wide her trip was that you're alluding to Joe
Gerret Gomez wrote her and how often do you hear this.

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The jockey wins a Grade one race and the first
thing he said in the winner circle when he got
interviewed was I'm sorry. And they said about what he
said about the lousy rad I gave her. She was
so wide the entire race. You know, it took an
amazing Philly to be able to win it. She came

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ack and did win the Santonito Oaks, and then she
also won the Kentucky Oaks. Absolutely just cruise and won
the Kentucky Oaks with authority. I mean, she was an
extraordinary Philly and you know, just so much deserves to
be in the Hall of Fame. But I had to
come to grips with it. I fought for her and
my Weekly Express, that column for years and years and years,

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and finally, if there's one thing, I'm a realist. I
could see the handwriting on the wall, and she's just
not gonna get in. It's going to take the historical
people years down the road for her to get in.
And because she's just got not enough support among the
contemporary voters.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
That was a pretty nice four race streak she had there.

Speaker 8 (54:43):
Pretty amazing.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah, no Phillies in the Kentucky Derby this year. Well,
the one top horse from Japan. We'll talk about Luxar Cafe.
But is journalism clearly the horse to beat in your mind?

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yes? Good.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
In fact, Joe and Vince, I'm more confident in journalism
than any other top pick for me in the Kentucky
Derby since a decade ago when I not only picked
American Pharaoh to win the Kentucky Derby, that predicted in
print that he would win the Triple Crown, which of
course hadn't been done in thirty seven years, and forgot

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about the reason I'm more confident in journalism than Justify,
who I also predicted would win the Kentucky Derby and
the Triple Crown. In fact, I was in print in
the Louisville Courier Journal on the day of the Kentucky
Derby saying that he would not only win the Kentucky Derby,

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but he would win the Triple Crown. But I'm more
confident in journalism because he raised as a two year
old and that was a big question mark for me.
With Justify, I made him my top pick and I
did win ten thousand dollars on him with a future
book that of one hundre dollars at odds of one
hundred to one before his first career start. But that

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you know, it had been since eighteen eighty two and
Apollo since the horse had ever won the Kentucky Derby
without having race as a two year old. And I
thought just if I could do it, but I wasn't
confident he could do it. I'm confident journalism can win
the Kentucky Derby because he did run as a two
year old, So I don't have that concern in terms

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of confidence level with journalism visa vie justify. So look,
there's so much that journalism has going in his favor.
He owns the top buyer speed figure of one oh eight.
Now to put that into perspective, Joe and Vince, a
one oh eight buyer would be good enough to win

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the last Kentucky Derby's all the way back to Big Brown.
In other words, he ran fast enough to win the
last sixteen Kentucky Derby. Ready, so you know he has
yet to lose a race. Around two turns, he looks
like he'll relish the stretching out to my own a quarter.

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It looks like he should get a brisk pace to
run at. And what's great about him is he's not
one of those come from wayback horses like a Sandman
or Publisher, those type. He's a midpack type horse, which
is good. You know, he should be able to get
himself into a good striking position early, but he should

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have a real brisk pace setting the race up for him.
He figures to have an excellent chance of being first
or second with a furlong to go, which is what
I called the prime position to win the race. And
that's because a total of fifty seven ont of the
last sixty one Kentucky Derby winners. Now this doesn't count

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the twenty twenty Kentucky Derby that was run in the
fall because of the pandemic, so that's a different Kentucky
when it was run in the fall. That's apples and oranges.
But not counting twenty twenty, fifty seven out of the
last sixty one Kentucky Derby winners in the Kentucky Derby
have been first or second with an eighth of a
mile ago. So I very much when handicapping the Kentucky Derby,

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try to focus on a horse that's going to have
an excellent chance to be in that position, and Journalism
has an excellent chance to be in that position. Another
thing that Journalism has going for him. You know, people
have been knocking him because he's been running in five
hore steels in California, and look, there's some merit to
that criticism. But by the same token, in the five

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horse Santity to Derby, he proves he can without getting
an ideal trip. I mean, he got a lot of
experience and seasoning for that because he got bumped and
shuffled back going into the far turn and then just
ran down by Aza to win the race. Now there's
been big news today.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Is in the race.

Speaker 8 (59:02):
Yeah, Uh, Rodriguez is out. He came up with a
foot bruise. So Rodriguez will be staying.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
In the barn.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
And Baeza, who was the one OSSO eligible horse, now
is in the race. Rodriguez is officially scratched because I
checked on the online betting and he is already scratched.
He's officially scratched. So Biaza is in, and Biaza is
a contender in this race for sure. But Journalism put

(59:31):
his head down and ran right by Baasa in that
Santanita Derby and what's good for journalism is McCarthy didn't
have to really tighten the screws on journalism for the
Santanita Derby because he had sufficient points to get in
the race. Unfortunately, for Baiza, one thing is john Sheriffs

(59:52):
knew that that was a do or die situation in
terms of the Kentucky Derby for Baiaza, and so he
did have to tighten the screw It's not very often
you'll see a John Sheriff's horse work six furlongs in one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Ten and change.

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
That was the case with Baeza leading up to the
Santanita Derby. And I make that point because you don't
want a horse peaking before the Kentucky Derby. You want
the horse peaking in the Kentucky Derby. And journalism has
been brought along masterfully by Michael McCarthy to do just that.
So and on top of that, journalism has made a

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very good appearance training at Churchill Downs. I mean, there's
just everything seemingly going for him. My biggest concern is
that the best horse doesn't always win the Kentucky Derby.
We can think of so many examples. I mean, you
go back to the nineteen fifties Native Nancer should have
been a triple Brown winner, but he got into a

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bunch of trouble on the Clubhouse turn and lost the
Kentucky Derby at a photo finish, and it turned out
to be the only defeat in his entire career. Little
Current had a brutal trip in the in the nineteen
seventy four Kentucky Derby, which had the largest field in
its history twenty three horses. There was so much trouble
in that Kentucky Derby. That's why they the next year

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half the field came up with the rule to not
have it higher than twenty starters. Holy Bowle was the
best horse in that derby. He didn't win. At Point
Given left Santa and I was sitting right in the
press box and San Anita. After he won the Santanita Derby,
I looked over at my broadcast partner, Kurt Huvert said,
I think we just saw the triple Crown winner. Well

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Point Given ran the worst race of his life of
the Kentucky Derby and then won the Preakness, and he
won the Belmont by a mile and a fleet. Alex
was the best horse in that Kentucky Derby and didn't
win at Kerlin. The sire of Journalism was probably the
best horse in that Kentucky Derby and finished third. Looking
at Lucky got wiped out and his Kentucky Derby should

(01:01:54):
have won it, came back won the Preakness Epicenter. To me,
I mean, who's better Epicenter or Rich?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
If you run that Kentucky Derby one hundred times at
the center is going to win about ninety eight or
ninety nine of them, but he didn't win the one
he needed to win. And then last year my picked
with you on the podcast here the Amerro podcast was
Forever Young, and I loved him and he was to
me the best horse in the race, but he got
absolutely annihilated by Sierra Leon who kept bumping him time

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after time coming down the stretch, and Forever Young lost
by a nose and a nose, two noses. And so
there again I feel I had the right horse, but
he didn't win. And that's my main concern with Journalism
that even if he is the best horse, and we
don't know that, but I assume he is myself, he
still might not win.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Yeah, Vince brought up that point with Anthony Stabil just
a few minutes ago about journalism getting trapped on the
inside in the sant Anita Derby and getting a little
learning experience. And Vince, did you you think that's a
valid knock or I mean a valid point that you
would use in your handicapping, or it's certainly a talking point,

(01:03:06):
that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, I don't know. Anthony
even suggested that maybe they wanted that. I don't. I
wouldn't go that far, but I certainly think they were pleased,
you know, in retrospect with the way that the race
played out and that they could handle it because he
came back just covered in dirt, and and it was
a rugged race for a five horse field, and and

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and the and the biggest fear for a lot of
people was he had run so good in the in
his debut for twenty twenty five that he was going
to bounce. Well he didn't do that. The buyer went
down a little bit, but it certainly was not a bounce,
and now he could be sitting on an even better
effort here in the Derby.

Speaker 8 (01:03:47):
Okay, Well, I mean it's just shaping up beautifully for him.
And in fact, you mentioned that dirt. Mike Wellman, who
had the clips ther At Partners, and I think eclipsed
thur At Partners is one that's one of the ownership
groups I had tremendous respect for. I think they do
a sensational job. And Aaron Wellman deserves just as much

(01:04:09):
credit as you can give out for what he has
done with this Eclipse Thoroughbreds. And Wellman said after the
race that they found that journalism not only came back
caked in dirt, they found dirt in his ears. That's
how much dirt he took. I mean, and that's like
almost the first time I've ever heard of guys say, yeah,

(01:04:31):
my horse came back with dirt in his ears. So,
I mean, he took a lot of dirt. But that's
good because if he didn't have that experience under his belt,
you wouldn't know how he might handle getting a bunch
of dirt thrown at him in the Kentucky Derby, And
with twenty horses in the race, you know, it's pretty
hard not to get some dirt thrown back at you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Yeah, he's just so tactical, even if he does get
squeezed out a little bit early, you know, at a
mile and a quarter with his a great turn of foot.
You know, it's just as you pointed out, and Anthony
as well, he is there's really hard to find a
knock on journalism. Sounds like then he might go off

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less than three to one.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
What do you think, Well, well, it's possible at the
early wagering at this story. Well I checked just before
we came on. He was seven to two, okay, and
he could tick down to three, and he could put
you know, we're so early that he could tick down
to five to two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
But shucking.

Speaker 8 (01:05:30):
But I think one reason why he will stay three
to one or seven to two, you know, in other words,
he won't go lower than three to one is because
Baza getting into the race changes the dynamic of the bedding. Okay,
in other words, without Balza getting into the race, Uh,

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you know he's going to bring by him getting into
the race, I should say, he's bringing some money with him.
He's going to get some support. Now in the early wagering,
he was sitting up there above fifty to one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
But that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
People didn't know he was in the race, and you're
not throne to bet a horse on the proposition is
he going to get in or out now that he's
officially in? And as I say, Rodriguez is a scratched,
which means if you bet on Baeza, now you're betting
on a horse who is in the race, you're going
to see his odds plummet substantially. I mean he's not

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going to be you know, Mike Batagular made him twelve
to one in the morning line.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I would have made him.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
Under ten to one. I would put him in single digits.
There's plenty of people that think that he can actually
turn the tables on journalism.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
And with reason.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
That was just the stake's debut for Baiza. He actually
out galloped journalism after the finish. And we've got a
trainer here who is so good at winning the you know,
a big race. Don't forget he won the Kenteckute Derby
with a fifty to one shot in Jacamo. And believe me,
Faeza is a much better horse than Jockamo. It's not

(01:07:08):
even close.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
And yeah, Bakam, who's going to ride?

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
I think Pratt?

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Pratt's named on the two horses as well, but he
probably would offer.

Speaker 8 (01:07:18):
For he's got no he's got first call on BIASI okay,
so uh. And the thing about Jacamo, he's a sore
spot with me because one of my greatest picks in
the Kentucky Derby but it didn't win, was closing argument
in that Kentucky Derby. He went off at seventy one
to one and paid seventy dollars for a two dollars

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place ticket, which was the record in the Kentucky Derby
for a place that until Rich Strike. That's another reason
Rich Strike is one of my favorites. He broke the
closing argument Kentucky Derby place payoff record. But you know,
it's hard enough to get a horse to pay seventy
dollars as a winner. But I got a horse that

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pid seventy dollars to place. And one of the reasons
I like closing argument was I projected that he had
a pretty good chance to maybe be first or second
with an eighth of amount to go, and he was
in front with an eighth of amount to go, and
he led every single step through that entire final furlough
at odds of seventy one to one until he got

(01:08:23):
nailed by Mike Smith and Jacamo in the last jump
of the race. And you know, that was a phenomenal
ride by Mike Smith. They don't call him big money
Mike Smith for nothing. That was Mike Smith at his
absolute best because he brought Jacamo from the back of

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the pack and never got stopped for one single mini
second during the entire race. And that's hard to do
in a twenty horse deal because usually there's somewhere along
the way you're going to get a little bit of
a hiccup at least, and with Jacomo, unfortunate for me, uh,
he never got even stopped, just even slightly and nailed

(01:09:06):
me right at the finish below the twin spires there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
So yeah, a Fleet Alex third beating less than a
length in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
That was. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
All the payoffs, I think the one dollar SuperFect it
was eight hundred and fifty thousand or something in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
That race, Yeah, I miss that. I missed that one.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
And the fifty cent try was sixty seven thousand or
something like that. Anyway, Okay, Well, there's some present in
past Derby talk from John White as usual, he can
wind it through and uh, do you bet the exact
is I know you've got some future books out there

(01:09:44):
future bets out there. So what else are you looking
forward to adding to your chances of wagering wins this Saturday.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Well, I'm actually lot fortunate that Baza got into the
race because if he wins the race, I'll win more
on him that I did on Justify. And I made
ten thousand dollars on Justify. Wow, So I got in.
I got aboard the Bayeza bandwagon pretty early, and I'll
make eleven thousand, four hundred dollars if Yeza pulls off

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the wind.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
That is.

Speaker 8 (01:10:18):
I also got in on Journalism at eight to one,
so I've got him to make four thousand dollars at
odds of eight to one. So those are two of
my main future books that I've got writing in this
race sounds like that I'm not an exact a trifecta
to perfect a super high five player. And here's why,

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both of you know. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest,
and look, I kept my teeth going to the races
at Playfair Race Course and Spokane, Yakama Meadows, Portland Meadows,
Long Anchors and Quarterlane Turf Club and other than Portland
because Portland was by the Moultenhoma Channel Club. They had

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exotic wagers at Portland. But even in the sixties when
I started going to the races, into the seventies, I mean,
when you went to play fair Long Anchors Yakima, you
had win place or show bedding and the two dollars
daily double on the first two races, that's it, not
even a five dollars exacted. Now, the five dollars exacted

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did come in at these tracks. But one reason I
never really became an exactive player.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Think of it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:27):
I'm going to high school and college and a five
dollars exact is really a ten dollars kronella. And I
couldn't afford betting ten dollars kronellas on my budget.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Now that was tough for a young guy.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
Well that's why I was a two dollars double better.
But you know, and I always say, where were these
one dollar bets, fifty cent bets and ten cent bets
when I was a kid. I mean, you know, I
would have loved them, but they didn't have them. They
had a ten dollars kronella called a five dollars ag actus.

(01:12:00):
So and you kind of do what you grow up doing.
And that's so that's I'm more of a double player,
pick three player, pick four player, pick five player, pick
six player. Of course, I hit a nice pick six
one time at Santanita, and Vince wrote a very nice
press release on me because there was a big carryover
and my one hundred and twenty dollars ticket paid over

(01:12:22):
forty thousand dollars, so and we had the ticket posted
on HRTV.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I know you. I know one of the players
in the Midwest bet your exact ticket and he hit two,
of course, so that was nice.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
It had never played the pick six before and he
only played it because we put up my ticket and
he liked my handicappy and he did send me a
case of mine. His name was Charles Seagress. He was
actually sitting in his bath robe at home in Chicago
and saw my ticket on the screen and decided to
put it in. So the good news was we got

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a lot of publicity out of that, and to a
large extent, what was helpful was the excellent press release
that Vince wrote as the publicity director at sant Anita
at the time. But the bad news for me is
that reduced the number of winning you know, increase the
number of winning tickets, which cut my slice of the

(01:13:18):
pie down a little bit that I couldn't complain. I
was very tickled. That was the biggest score of my life.
Over forty thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
That's great. Yeah, Well, Vince John's the West Coast Homer,
Journalism and Baeza, so you know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
But well, and the way I'm picking it is journalism, Sandman, Sovereignty, fantassic.
And I didn't pick Biuza in my floor because I
didn't know whether he'd get in. People that are interested
in my strike system and my picks, you can go
to Racingdudes dot com and at racing dudes dot com

(01:13:53):
and this is for free. You don't have to pay
anything for this. They have my article like what I
use to write for expressbat dot com and there's also
an extensive video there if you want to take the time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
It's long.

Speaker 8 (01:14:06):
It's a long video. But that's been an annual occurrence
with the Racing Dudes. At the Racing Dudes, Aaron Halterman
and Jared Welch took the trouble to fly from their
homes in Missouri to be at my Washington Racing Hall
of Fame induction last summer at Long Acres. So I'm
very touched by the fact that they did that. And

(01:14:29):
Joe and Vince, they loved Emerald Downs, they loved their trip.
We went to a Seattle Mariners game, but we went
out into the barn area. We met five star general
the morning of the race before we won, and then
we visited him back in the barn area after the race.
But Jared Welch and Aaron Halterman have a tremendous website,

(01:14:50):
Racingdudes dot com. If you've never seen it, check it
out if you're a racing fan, and there you'll find
my Kentucky Derby strikes and pick and a big one
article and also a long video where we talked a
lot about the Kentucky Derby, this year's Kentucky Derby, but
a lot of history too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
That's great to know. Okay, the Racing Dudes and yeah,
those guys had a great time following you around up
here in Washington as John was inducted into the Washington
Thorobod Hall of Fame. And also, you know, witnessing the
Long Acres Mile firsthand always a treat for John White,
and that was a memorable event last year, five Star

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General winning his second straight. John, thank you so much.
So you've got a lot to look forward to Saturday.
So good luck to you and always we thank you
so much for your dedication to Washington Racing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
Thanks a lot, Gang, Thanks John, that was great.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Thanks John, John White joining us on horse racing Northwest
and yeah he can. He can wind around and bring
it back and add some historical perspective. Boy, nobody liked John.
Thank you John. Okay, Well we earn our final segment
sports shorts. We're spending a lot of time on Emerald

(01:16:10):
down stuff this week. I've got just a pretty stock
one here. And Washington owners that have won the Kentucky Derby.
Karen and Mickey Taylor Seattle Slew nineteen seventy seven won
the Triple Crown. Mike Pegram was living in Mount Vernon
at the time of nineteen ninety eight. Real Quiet was
a pretty easy winner of the Derby and the Preakness

(01:16:32):
lost the Belmont by that historic nose, missing out on
a triple Crown. But Real Quiet of Mike Pegram another
Washington owner to win the Kentucky Derby. That's my sport
short for today.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Vince.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I had one. I could have said something about Turbulator,
who was seven for seven at Playfair in nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Oh wow. One thing I would mention first, We had
another new jockey coming in this week that I hadn't
heard the name before, David Halder h A L D
A R. You're going to see him on a bunch
of live mounts Saturday, which made me look him up.
He's from Panama City, Florida. Haven't had a chance to
talk to him yet, but he's been riding mainly at

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Mahoning Valley where he I think had eleven wins at
their current meet, and in twenty twenty two he had
forty two wins at Belterra Park, finished ahead of guys
like Julio Felix and who's the guy who won the
Kentucky Derby three years ago? And rich Frike sunny Leon

(01:17:37):
and so we'll catch up more. But that's the guy,
David Halder. He's got almost three hundred career wins. So
it's on that harbor, the Golden Pecunius.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
That is correct.

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Yeah, and he's got a couple other live mounts, so
we'll be interesting to follow him. One quick sports short. Sure,
you know how big the Golden State Warriors have gotten
over the last couple of decades. When they won the
NBA title in seventy four to seventy five, you know
how many season tickets they sold that year? Uh four ten,
seven hundred and twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Their average attendance was eighty four hundred and ninety nine
for the year there and uh where were they playing then,
in the coliseum, Oakland, Alameda County Coliseum. Yeah, just to
show you how things have changed back then, Joe, what
was the most expensive sonic? They got six bucks, seven
bucks something like that. So, yeah, the floor seats we
got in for two fifty I remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Yeah, Okay, And you know I brought up Turbularty just
for a moment there because I was talking to John
about him, and uh, he lost his first two races
and then went seven for seven at Playfair and then
of course he was by far the best horse in
the Northwest that year. The next year in nineteen seventy
is five year old year, and he went back to
Playfair and he did lose one race. I think he

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was carrying one hundred and thirty four on an off
track and Rulers World beat him, but he did win
at Playfair that year as well, so he was one
great horse. There's a hall of fame guy. Okay picks.
So last week I picked three Emerald Downs races and
didn't hit one. But then I think we mentioned this already.

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I did have three winners of the seven races, including
Lapo Pice was my starred pick on the website best
bet there, so that was a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Good races to pick from on the Saturday here.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Yeah, you know that race with the first yer by
Harbor the gold out of Impecunius. That horse I took
a long look at. But I can't get away from
There's some good pedigrees in this. I can't get away
from horses. How to find your spot? Yep, drew the Rail,
I believe, Yeah, go Coastguard, find your spot. Three year
old Philly for Bonnie Jenny Drew the rail could easily

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have a bunch of speed to get that trip, and
I've got to go with her. The one horse and
I did not see the odds, but as you mentioned,
a lot of well bred horses in there, I think
it's five or six to one, Okay. And then the
sixth race. As you mentioned earlier, that six furlong sprint
for it's a ten claimer twelve five. If you're washing bred,

(01:20:10):
you know I I'm going to pick Square Cat in there,
who won at Fresno last fall and then went to
Southern cal and didn't really light it up. Had a
fourth out of twelve, a fourth out of ten in
Southern Cal. But there's some speed in there and Square
Cat fits that pattern that you know Southern Cala horses

(01:20:31):
certainly did well on opening day up here. Blinker's on
for blain Wright should be a fair price. As you said,
almost everybody looks like a six to one shot in there.
So I took Square Cat for right, and Haldar is
on that horse. There's a couple of picks and the
Kentucky derby my bomber is final Gambit, whose name has

(01:20:51):
not come up. He's the horse that won the Jeff
Ruby Stakes at Turfway, that big money race there, but
his race prior to that was a super impressive last
to first win in a huge field at Turfway as well. Yeah,
he's got the synthetic form. He is a Brad Cox trainee.
By not this time, he's got a really nice pedigree,

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and he is a runner. Whether he can fit with
all these horses that have done so much this past fall,
winter and spring, I don't know, but he is a
runner and he's out of Tappa Mare. Machado is a
board who was tremendous at Turfway Park final gamut number
three thirty to one morning line. You can make a
pick in the derby. Yeah, you know, I you haven't

(01:21:35):
had that much time to really go up. And I've
looked at it and at.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
The I am a journalism fan, I admit it, but
I hate to give the favorite. So my strategy probably
I won't make a win bet, but I will play
some doubles and pick three singling journalism and hope to
make some money that way.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Yeah. Yeah, with you got some money in your pocket
after painting you later today.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
Yeah, And it's always one of the great under cards
of the year on Kentucky Derby Day, so it's just
an outstanding card. They do talk about some weather, but
I'm sure they'll make every effort to keep those turfrases
on the grass if possible, right, So, yeah, that would
be my strategy I think is hope to be alive
to journalism in the Derby.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Okay, all right? Trivia? Who is the oldest horse to
lead the Emerald Downs meeting? In earnings? We've had twenty
nine meetings here at Emerald Downs in a winter meeting.
Who is the oldest? Are we going along today? Nobody
came up with the answer, and the answer is Skyjack
age seven. He won the mile in two thousand and

(01:22:40):
three that gave him enough earnings to lead the meeting,
and Skyjack is the answer to that. Our new question,
since Paint You Later Washington bread winner at Churchill Downs today,
who before Paint You Later is the most recent Washington
bread winner at Churchill Downs? Not a super easy question.

(01:23:02):
Send your answers to trivia at Emeraldowns dot com. Get
the handicapping Emerald Downs and the Kentucky Derby. Thanks for
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