BIG FACTS feat. BIG GIPP (Goodie Mob)

The Southern Hip-Hop Legend Big Gipp of GOODIE MOB brings collaborator James Worthy to sit with him as he chops it up with BIG FACTS about Artificial Intelligence in music, the cannabis industry, Outkast, the dungeon family, musical controversies and everything Atlanta!

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Speaker 5 (01:18):
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Worthy A Big Facts.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
What's so?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (01:27):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Everybody fell in there?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
A screen?

Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well, I let you go in the further. I can't
be that man or that man is so for fifty
million records. Man, Okay, that's Jane Worthy. Man, I'm sorry.
I just had to tell you before you get too funky.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's all good. He brought family. He brought family before
we get into our conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
We got we got to have a conversation about all
this what's going on in front of you? Man, Bank
Bank just consumes some of uh what are these gifts products?

Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yeah? Man, it's like this. This is no more pain.
This is one of the gift products. I got about
forty products, but this is like one of my number
one sellers. We bout in like nine states, but we're
all over the United States. I can I can send
it to you, but it's like a thousand milligrams with CBD,
and I mean it's for anybody that got real bad
nerve damage.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Uh, you got off writers.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
You got any kind of pain's that's kind of like internal.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
It can really help you.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
All you gotta do is go take you a nice beall,
let your paws open and put this on. And people
use this every day for like almost like lotion because
a lot of people who do you know, people who
work at work on call, do construction. This is the
kind of stuff that they need. So this is just
another alternative for taking opioids. And uh, it's just wanted

(02:43):
to give good products. Yeah you got some shots, Yeah, okay,
So these right here. This is pinu colada. That was
Pina colada. That's Margo reader. That's six on the peach.
This is this is a whiskey. This is a peinu colatda.
This is a voka. This is a rum and that's
the keeler. Now, the main thing about this, these are

(03:05):
called mock tails. They taste exactly like what they what
you see on the label. But I took the alcohol
out and I refused it with del ta. Now the
reason why I did that because Ghip never been a drinker.
I always been a smoker. So this is a way
that Now this is also non alcoholic. So for the
people that can't drink people that are starting to you know,

(03:27):
the older you get, alcohol gonna make you start feeling bad.
And you know, I'm on the road a lot, so
you know what I mean. Alcohol make you feel bad
the older you get. So this is a way that
you can still have the taste of alcohol, but.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
The results of you smoking weed. So I call it
smoking drinking.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah, innovation, innovation, Man.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
It's just just a new way to go for the
we in the new world. So it's about being healthy.
So the more the longer you live, the healthier you are.
And and a lot of times with alcohol, man, it
destroys the body from the inside out. So it's just
another one of the products that I I kind of
like put brought to the line to kind of like

(04:15):
help our people get away from a lot of the
prescription drugs that's out there.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, So taught to us a little bit about like
you've been on a campaign. You've been very vocal of late.
You know what I'm saying, You've been saying what's on
your mind?

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
What what sparked that?

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Like what sparked you to come out and just say, Man,
I'm gonna start having these conversations and just and just
saying what's.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
On my mind.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Well, first of all, I wouldn't have spoken unless I
had something to gear back to the game, and that
was music. The reason why I spoke because I'm seeing
that the game is being the history is being rewritten,
and a lot of the people that in the South
that really helped us and helped us find our way

(04:59):
of really being out of the history. You know, for example,
the Grammars, you didn't see Luke Skywalker. You didn't you
didn't see all of the ghetto boys. You know, if
the South is gonna be represented, that's represented the right way,
and you can never leave Luke Skywalker out, you know.
So me personally, I just wanted to speak because the

(05:20):
game is getting to a place where anybody can call
theyself an artist just because they know how the formula
of putting records together. The only reason why the formula
of records is so easy to put together now is
because of technology. You know, for a person like me,
they used to be out in the studio all day

(05:41):
just hoping that organize noise would say, gilt, come in
and wrap.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
You know.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
I set through Parental Advisory Album and I set through
outcas albums until it's time for me to be called.
I sat in the park a lot, and I'm just
like a lot of times when I look at what's
going on right now, I got a problem with the
industry because, first of all, you got an industry that's

(06:07):
really like raping I young.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Now, why would I say that the.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
Three sixty deal was created only because they did not
want us to continue to gain power as artists. They
didn't want any more of these artists to become as
big as certain artists are right now. So what they did,
the executives did, they went it into a room and
they created this three sixty deal. Now, what's so funny
about this is that when I first started signing contracts,

(06:35):
we was paid one way, and now this three sixty deal,
I played a totally different way. But since I've been
around for a minute, you're gonna change the way that
I was getting paid on my albums twenty years.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Ago, right, Like you should be grandfathered in to the standard.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Right right, But that's not the case.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
So so I have to come out here and say, hey, man,
check this out. How do you create something like a
three sixty deal? And then and then on the other end,
you create a lane for AI artists. So how were
you going to three sixty me? But then you creating

(07:15):
artists and putting them in our face, like we're supposed
to get enthused about robots.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
What's it the robots?

Speaker 7 (07:23):
Like you know how they had the tipoc sonograms and
ship they're making rap niggas out of them.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Now they make albums.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
Oh god, fame computer rappers.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yes, nobody. Ain't nobody in it.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
It's not hard a sonogram, it's around, I mean a hologram.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, but that's that's the reason why.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
So ain't nobody controlling them? They rapping on their own.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
They So what they're doing is they handlers. They have
people who go in and they have computer voices that
sound like your favorite rappers, and they can create songs
now sounding like your favorite rapper without the real take.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
Six different niggas, like they might take little Baby, fucking Tupac,
fucking Snoop Dogg and god Damn Juicy J and make
one voice computerized voice.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
And this is.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So this so what they're gonna do with what So that's.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Stand a chance?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
So so bad, so bad.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
So So that's again that's why a person like me
got to speak because it's like it's almost like, you know,
I love I love our people. But at the same
time too, an executive shouldn't be able to tell me
when it's time for me to go when I probably

(08:52):
was here before you even knew how to do this.
So so that's my problem with what they do in
the hip hop right now. They trying to make all
our stars kids. When I first started listening to hip hop, man,
it was grown people doing hip hop. They changed it
once they figured out the money. Now, think about all
the money that's in this situation, and in this you

(09:14):
seeing an artist on a damn car commercial before you
know where his music is. Don't you see that this
is a new way to enslave us, to make us
work for every kind of brand out there until it's
nothing left. So they use you up your career. Your
career is shorter because now artists don't even have time

(09:36):
to grow to the different levels. He's put out on
all platforms. Soon as he come out, it burns your
brand up before you even understand what it is to
be famous.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
You know what I mean? Facts that it's so.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
And you don't know what comes with this ship because
you ain't grind. You ain't just you're famous.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know what I'm saying. You famous and nigga, you
got the money.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Now you got uh go through everything without going through nothing.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know what I'm saying. He ain't been through ship, but.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Now you finla got down be out here and know
what to do how to manage this money.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's impossible.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
And I felt like if I didn't say nothing, See,
I don't really care about being friends with people because
people know me. I ain't never been to the Faulk
part of no way. I ain't never been under these folks.
I ain't never stroke no ball, hold no scroll them pump.
It just don't come that way. It's just it's just

(10:32):
I'm not giving it because the reason why I'm not
giving it, it's just like at a time when we
wasn't accepted, I keep that with me and then when
I see Luke not get represented, I said, see that,
I'm gonna keep this chip on this shoulder.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's gonna keep me safe because.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Back last yeah it was back's because how can you
have the Grammars and not put the man that made
it where you put a parental advisory stick on your
on your record like that's a part of cultural history.
And at the same time that man went to jail
for hip hop. If he didn't go to jail for

(11:17):
hip hop, it wouldn't have been half the stuff that
we listened to now, it wouldn't have never been.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
So when when.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
I see that, I just have to speak on it
and again to all the artists. Man, I have no
problem with no artists out here. I don't really. I've
never really cared about what other artists do or how
they do it. I just was only here to represent
how Atlanta do it. Facts you know what I mean,
And it's no I have no I have no complaints.

(11:49):
I have no desire to change that because when I
look at what we have become as a city, I
know that that energy that they put in that they
put in us that night and uh at the source
of Wars. It came back and we faded into the
city and look at the city twenty years later, we
still got that that thing of we're.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Gonna do Atlanta.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
You know, when you look at a little baby, I
was so proud of him when he did that black
and White song, like it just showed his diversity.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
R you know, being when people didn't think he had it.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
So just to watch all the artists, man, watch what
Tip done and watch what ludicrous be done. You know,
like I've watched what Jezy did, you know, like to
live through that and what he did in Atlanta and
the club situation was phenomenal. It's like what Alex ag
did for our club scene here phenomenal, you know what

(12:45):
I mean. So that's the reason why I can really
say that, hey man, like you're gonna speak and I'm
gonna say the unpopular shit because I don't have to.
I don't have to really bite my tongue because I
fought the fight for us to be respected, right.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (13:06):
So I I don't I all I can say is,
hey man, when I spoke. Before I spoke, I was
in the studio with that man on just to my left,
chains Worthy, and we went in the studio and I
I did five songs that we just put out. It's
only been out of mont and we already and did
six million downloads. So for me personally, as an artist

(13:29):
that come from a whole nother galaxy, I'm reborn again
through music and I ain't tripping cause Goodiemorrow book to
twenty twenty four. So don't never think I ain't moving
or doing nothing. That just progressive. I just don't care
about being famous, right, you know what I mean? I
A and I just see that this is what the

(13:49):
business is now. It's about being famous and being a personality.
When I'm like, nah, man, this music man, let's take
the business and all the money talk out of it.
Let's get we don't even talk about music no more,
because everything is a business. And I didn't come in
this business to be about the TV and be about

(14:12):
all the other stuff. I only came into this game
to be a musician, to be an artist, So I
know there's no nothing else. And I applaud everybody out
here that and did extraordinary things. But you know, some
people are here for a purpose and some people are
here for others, for other things.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I'm just here for music.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
And at the end of the day, the crown jewel
for me, at the end of the day is always
gonna be seeing future, future, toward the world and do
arenas every night bro to watch him be like come
from the dungeon and watch him turn me head into

(14:53):
future and become.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
A whole another artist.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Like it's been incredible for us as an as a collective.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
And I tell people all the time, Bro, all of
us are still alive.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Because of the music that we created, and everybody can't
say that.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So let me ask you.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
This, because you were just speaking on like being a
part of the movement to make sure that Atlanta was respected.
Let's talk a little bit about you and you being
from Atlanta and talk about what side of town you're
from and kind of go into that.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
I'm from East Point. Yeah, I went to Woodland City.
I went to Woodland High School. I went to Russell
High School. I'm from the Old Point, you know what
I mean. I went to school with Kamala you know
what I mean. I went I went to school with
the straight cats, you.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Know what I mean. Like it was like it was
a whole nother world.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Then Atlanta was different because Atlanta was really like it
was the hustables and it was ghetto at the same
time because dudes that came from good households and knock
your head off, your life fork from the project. So
Atlanta always been like that. Well, it don't matter where
you're from, how you get it off, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
What I mean. So me just coming up.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
I came from my first I come from ben Hill
County Line, moved to East Point. I met this lady
named Jeane Kahn. She went to Washington High School. She
was a pop star, a soul singer from Washington High School.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
She was the first one that taught me about music.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Her nephew was People of Rising, so I used to
go with her to her shows as Sensations on the
East Side and at her house. Is the first place
that I met Stevie Wonder, I met New Dish. I
met a lot of artists that were considered soul and

(16:58):
and kind of r and be ish, so I didn't
come into the music business under the monica of rap.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
You know.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
The first place I remember, the first concert she took
me to was to the Ford and County Stadium.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
That was the first time I met Jackson five as
a kid.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
So music to me has always been something that you're
supposed to change the world when you speak, and you're
supposed to have something to say when you when you
do it. And I just think that it was in
it was instilled in me. I went to Paul D. West,

(17:39):
I went to Darston Drive. East Point was really like
my stomping ground head and drive the low up the
street is where tea bars come from. She stayed on
helling to the low at the top of that and
the projects up there.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's where Rico come from.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
So uh as a community, we always was kind of
close knit. And then the first person that I met
in the music business that was our age that was
kind of like the four runner of the leader of
us was Ian Burke.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Ian Burke I got.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Ian Burke used to have an apartment on Cameray Road,
and that was the first time. Reich took me over
to Ian Burke house me and and we really got
we really got kind of kicked it. We we kind
of connected. And the next thing I know, En took
me to j D House when he was at his
first house on flat shows, you know. So that was

(18:43):
when he was putting Chrisscross together. So it was like
a time where as we was doing that and then
I was doing I was in a group called six
Cents with where Yoda from organized Noise. We was one
of the first groups to perform for Brian Reid and
Leface Records at Club Dean Hunt. That was the first

(19:08):
time that I met Left Eye after that sixth sense
really turned into organized Noise. That's when Organized Noise started
working from there. GIP when it started got into a
group called East Point Chang Gang.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Which consisted the Cool Breeze.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
O Z cap One cap One that's south Side Daddy
from East Point, the producer, and then it another guy
named Chief. So you know, it was like five of us,
you know what I mean. It was crazy cause it
was like e Point Chain Gang man all alto talkings.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
You know, like we wore jail suits on the stage.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Man.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
No, the Lumberjacks was Kujo and Timo. Yeah, yeah, like
you know what I mean. So it was like the
first time we did the show was that Mars Brown
opening up for Cypress Hill.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
We did that and that's.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
The first time I saw Joe then perform the Lumberjacks
and yeah, we uh. That was kind of the first
time that we just started understanding who we were at
that time. And that's when Rico moved from East Point
to Lakewood and got the first Dungeon where at that

(20:37):
time I went over to Kujo and met him over
in on the West Side at Peyton Park.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I mean, Kujo was sitting there rapping and it was
the little dude there.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Bruder stepped back rapping against Kujo and started singing, it
was Selo.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
I ran back to the dungeon.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
I said, hey, man, I just seen this dude on
the west side singing bro like I ain't never seen
nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
They said, you bring him to the dungeon.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Well, when we brought him to the dungeon, that's when
I found out this shot him. He already knew three
thousand because he was in alternative school with three thousand,
and then he knew Big Boy from being with three thousand.
So it was like them three had like kind of reunion,
and all of us was kind of like they are

(21:30):
that they are little brothers like Big ce Lo and three.
They the same age, and then all of us is
like three years older than them, so they and then
the rest of us, you know what I mean. So
that's why, if you think about it, bro, our cads
never got touched out, you know, Like it was like

(21:50):
when they came out, we made sure that nobody ever
touched them because we knew that if they made it,
we were gonna be all right. So just recording the
album at Bobby Brown's studio, that was the first time
that you know, really started kind of like bringing us
in and putting us on the Outcast record because we

(22:12):
really wanted to make sure that they record really reached
a lot of people. So all of us kind of
worked on that first Outcast record. We all kind of
felt like it was ours. I remember the first time
Gregg Street played it on the radio, we all quit
our jobs. Everybody quit their job the same day. We
wasn't even on the song, but it was like it

(22:38):
was like that was the kind of confidence and faith
we had in ourselves because we knew at that time
the only other people that were shaking the city at
that time were like, you know, the Hard Boys, you
know what I mean, Like, you know, I knew car
from Catherine Wood because that's where Yoda from, Yoda from

(23:01):
Silver Little Baby, them neighborhood, That's where Yoda from.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
So I knew care from the streets.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
So to me, like the Hard Boys was the equivalent
of what BMTH was way before they even got here,
because they were the first one to throw the you know,
the bill Boys up and you know, you know, the
more of it out of the East Side of that time.
You know, they was lamborghinean back then, wasn't you know,
the big money over there. So so it was like

(23:29):
I had seen all that already, you know, so just
to see that.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
We went from that to knowing that we had to really.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
Make sure that people respected us was our main thing
because you know, that.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Source of wars.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
It really changed us and it really made us come
back home and say, man, we got to make sure
that every time we open our mouth, were trying to
change what people's perception of the South was.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
And that's the reason why, you know, people looked at
the South.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
During that time like, man, all y'all do is strip
club music, shake a boot the music. And we just
was like, we can't. We can't use our opportunity not
to change people perception. So that's the reason why we
always said we did Southern hip hop.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Do you think like, oh so so when y'all came
into the game, obviously you want to make some money,
you know what I'm saying. But from the way you speaking,
it scenes like a lot of it was cultural. We
want to be dope, we want to make a difference,
We want to put the South.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
On the man.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
There wasn't no money in it then, it want't no
money okay, got you.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
We signed for twenty thousand dollars of the face I
burnt my shit up the greenbroth.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
To piece twenty thousand apiece.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Well that was five thousand and good and maorro our
Caad got ten. We got five, but we burnt that shit.
I bet I went to edit goal put a paint
job on the leg.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Shit. It was a with.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
It was over.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
It was like, shit, let's start over there, get back
out here.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
That's why it was always a problem for me to
do uh kind of like per diemn free shows like
radio shows. That was the difference between our cares and
Good Tomorrow because our care went out there and they
were like, man, after the first year, they were like
ship man, we out here are we.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Getting this per diem?

Speaker 6 (25:29):
We in big ass arenas and ship But I was
like ship, they's good, y'all still too, But you know,
per diem for four folks that ain't gonna.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
That it ain't going was we knew.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
We knew off top, like we ain't gonna survive like
this shout and then we ain't got boy.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Per dimn probably.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
About by Fuffedy a fifty dollar ball that ain't nothing
to yeah, something that ain't nothing.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Is that we knew we couldn't survive like that.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
So that's the reason why we just kind of like
Goodie Mall was always le Fay was scared of Goodiemll
Man like.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Like we were.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
We were terrors back then, bro, Like we were just
like we just first of all, we were older. Second
of all, they knew that we weren't going for a
lot of the new kind of shit going on with
new artists because we were kind of older. We were
kind of like, man, we don't want no for them.
We ain't doing no free show. We ain't doing none

(26:34):
of that. So they kind of like off top. Goodie
Mall was kind of like we was rebels, bro Like
we we had whole photo shoots go missing. La Be like, hell, no,
y'all crazy. We'll go and just go in the middle
of the field, put on all black and black and
burn and burn a flag or something you know in

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la Be Like, nah, we ain't doing all that. But
what we were trying to do was just trying just
bringing attention back to the South, the dirty South, for
just you know, the differences, the differences of laws here
and just how we grew up.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
It used to trip people out when I used to
tell people all the time, like, bro, I never went
to school with nobody.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
With black people. That sounds strange that everybody else in
the other cities. That sounds strange. They'd be like, huh.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I was like, Bro, I only seen one white person
on the South Side as a child, and then it
was all black people, you know what I mean. So
for me personally, a lot of the things that I
was seeing when I was getting around other groups from
New York and LA, they were kind of like infused
with other people's coaches that I wasn't really you know, understanding,

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Like I didn't understand why you had to respect this
person because he was had a certain type of last name.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
You know, you held him in a certain regard. And
you know, they said else when I got.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Which artists you think had the biggest impact to come
out of the land period, Like when they came, ain't
one of the questions, Yeah, which artists do y'all think
you think the biggest.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Impact like of all time?

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Hm hmm. That's hard. That's hard to say, simply simply because.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
When you look at Whoop dadd Is, that ship was
that ship turned into a phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Reference like.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
Like like we do we do music like it's like
our cast is one of them. Jez is one of them,
Tip is one of them. Little baby.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
It's hard to beat that Jesus. But that Jesus, Hell Boy,
that Jesus was a big That was that Jesus with Hell.
That's Jesuy with Hell.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Somebody conversation what I want to say the conversation everybody
had they I understand where you're coming from. When chopped
it about it, everybody had their moment though niggas had
they moment.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
No, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, like this ship
shift completely and niggas still doing it. Shifted time though.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
Yeah, we just talked about this on the Guys Show.
The Atlanta commissions s were just there with right Daniels
like it had.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Shifted shifted a few times. Brou who had he said gilt.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
He's saying, like, when you talk about that ship in
l A on the West Coast, you say pop and
it ain't nothing to talk about, you know.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
I had the biggest because our cares, because it ain't
nobody can throw a concert in the Olympic Park and
three days and sell it out.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
And people come from all over the world. Can't nobody
do that?

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Can know, can't nobody go for the day he's in
forty nights and go all the way around the world
for a million dollars a night. Can't nobody do that
unless you got the actual god damn catalog.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
If we take.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
We take a due I'm saying, I'm saying, when you
in Budapest, yeah, we in Budapest, soul out.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
If we take the duo and group part out of it,
I ain't telling about impact. Who was the person? Ain't
somebout count of impact right now?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
He talking about That's that's just a bigger artist to me,
I'm saying, like, when you've seen.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
This ship, are you talking about Snowman T shirt?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Impact?

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And that Pluto ship?

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah that that that Yeah, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Different, bro, like that.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Jesus, every car, every bitch, young bitch, old bitch, every nigga,
young bitch, old nigga, everybody.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Around our way.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, Jesus yeah, jez the future little baby exactly, jes
the future, little baby.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I mean even but we gotta pick one though. But
when you but but when you when you're having a.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Commiss hard, it's hard. It's hard because man, how many
people beat that Jeezu run? Yeah, but I feel like
that was respect and even Gucci run is just when
you look at Guccia run at that for sure to
come to come back at the end and do what
he did, It's like nobody didn't drop more records than
Gucci and put more artists on and put more artists

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on the Gucci.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
You know, number one.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
You know I'm coming from now, I'm doing the hot
like but it's he impacted different but.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
For Nick, but the half not.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
But I'm gonna give him that, Like Ni, you never
thought they could be something I could.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Beat something I seen. Wait, I can do it that
weight too. I ain't like this, my man like get
inspired by Gucci. I'm not gonna say that.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
But what I'm saying is I would say future, thank you.
I would say I ain't saying it because I'm a
man in my pot, just saying I would say fu
sture become If you think, if you just think from
that one little Tony Montana, the one little verse to
now we in arenas like I never thought, you know
what I mean, Like he was hot as hell when

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he was just him and rock.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
O thanks, you know what I mean, Like he was hot.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
As ship, ain't dying down, and yeah, staying hot.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah, I've never seen it.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Like he had the longest run consecuted consecutively, like he
the only one can stand next to Drake.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
Yeah, but I still can I have can I have
something to say?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
So I feel like.

Speaker 7 (32:39):
Since I feel like speaking on like the whole impact
part or whatever, I totally agree with everything everybody's saying
about everybody else. But I think another person that we
have got to definitely include on top of the conversation
as far as impact is Tip because at the end
of the day, at the end of the day, like
nobody has it on business when it comes to this top.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I feel like this for niggas in the street, he
did that deal we're doing were trapping too now.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
He said that like set the tone for.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
What the city we're standing on this trap ship and
everything else too in this city too.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Can't take that from no, no, no.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
But what I'm saying, I'm not even talking about the
trap ship. I'm talking about just about what's right, like
whether it's going up against fucking little Flip or whether
it's going up against fucking Houston's are going up against
Crosston White are going up against.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
That's another conversation, but that there's the city and then
there's the music game. That's what I think we got
to like, impact on the music game or the city
is a nigga. I'm not taking that My problems.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Ask some of my opinion in pact. When you keep impacting,
you keep changing the niggas doing, when nigga won't buy any.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Whole that first, talking about the impact on what the
culture or the city, the culture, Oh gosh, you spend
one trying to be fly like they've been trying to
extra be flying there, spend their money to do.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
All this ship.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
They wasn't doing that.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
So you're saying these had the biggest impact on the city.
You're saying these had the biggest I mean on the culture.
You saying these tips had the biggest impact on the city.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
I'm not saying on the city. I'm saying for the city,
for the city.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, but that's a I feel like that's a different
that's that's something different that that's not impaid.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
We gotta find something else. He can't.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
We'll give that impact when niggas trying to immolate what
you do over a long paper had their side in
a moment, in a moment, You're right, yeah, But in
a moment then, ain't nobody wasn't the hair like that?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Now these nigga hell goal because this man hell go.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Now, I'm just saying, like the now ship and last
year where it was wais hat sh before that what
they were doing, they were doing some other ship buying cars.
You for that, we buying a bit of red bottle.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
You definitely changed to sound forever.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
No, I'm not even the sound. How these bitches think
they think different. You gotta be doing this ship this
once out. That's that's ill classic.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Ampping.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I agree with him.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, like you said the stone, you said.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
The stomach said, okay, all the other ship cool, We'll
get money and we popping fly ships and that's what
that's what the temperature of.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
The world changed to them now.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, because I wasn't gonna never do it. You know,
I'm about buying nothing do We don't buy nothing. We
don't buy no jewely, no cars, no nothing. I'm just
from another hero man.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
I'm just sorry. I mean, I love the.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Young the young cats and hire everybody do it. But
I just think that, See, that's the problem with the
youngsters man. A lot of folks getting the whole bunch
of stuff that they don't deserve facts, and that's the
reason why these folks you can't talk to them, can't
listen to them. And if they judge you buy that,
then are you really getting to know these people? Are
you just getting to know they pickage?

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Oh you know that.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But these niggas, niggas is sitting the tongs brou We
don't care about that. What's come after this? We're doing
this for this. I don't know. I ain't saying it
right or wrong, just saying like, that's right.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
How niggas think is the impact is what I'm saying,
Like the impact means the niggas trying to damn there.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Be this too, And this is how the the shit
is shifting to this Tupac type shit.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Like niggas went to trying to get money and ship
when Jesus came out, we getting money. When Gucci came out,
niggas got damn tricky air Robby or whatever that was
part of. But niggas going to the Knicks, going to
the Knicks like they following it what Bible.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
So let me ask you this.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
So with you saying basically like the way everything is
going in the way everybody's doing, like you're cool with
it and you respect it, but you're not going do
you think that that's what kind of influenced your Mutant
Mind Frame album.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Because you think I was?

Speaker 4 (37:03):
I was, Yeah, I was just I was forced in
doing that. Like I was.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
I never really wanted to be no solo artists. I
never you know, Yeah, they always wanted me to be
they always. I mean, that's why we're glad when ludcros
came because I was like, hey, man, do you do me?

Speaker 4 (37:21):
You do it? You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Because at the end of the day, I mean, I
just always been about team. I always been in groups
my whole career. Yeah, so I just been about always
trying to push others to be great, right, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (37:36):
So me, I was fine with being in good at MOB.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
I was fine with knowing that ain't nobody touching Shot,
It ain't nobody touching Cooler, ain't nobody touching Timo. So
with me being a just growing up like that, My
father was military, So me, I've always just been about
taking care of the neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
All everybody used to be at my house, you know.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
So that's just the way I always be it I'd
rather be I ratherly push another person to be great
than me, because I know it take a lot.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
It takes.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
It takes a lot to be a solo artist, and
a lot of times I just didn't have that natural
arrogance that it takes. My arrogance comes from just knowing
you ain't better than me. I'm an eat you, you
know what I mean. But as far as just going
out here saying, you know, I'm the greatest, I'm I
just never was on my own det like that. I

(38:28):
just felt like I'm gonna do things that I know
you not gonna be. It's gonna be hard for you
to repeat it. So if you think about it, they
ain't never been able to even duplicate gift. The closest
thing to gift is Trinidad James. I love him, you
know what I mean. But it's like, as far as
Trinidad James, as far as his subject, man is not

(38:51):
like mine. So that's the reason why I say I've
never been duplicated, So why should I change what's worked
for me, right, you know? So m hmm, I'm I'm
I'm just very comfortable in who I am. But being
a solo artist, it just takes another kind of mind frame.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Who was it What was it you or d three
thousand that brought that outlandish dressing to the crew first?
Because a lot of people will say he might have
got it was inspired by you from the outlanders.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
It was for me, it was you for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
And the reason why we did it, I mean we had.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
We had a show with uh with bad Boy up
in Nashville, and that was the first time I did it.
And I remember everybody like, damn, get while you dressed
like that? And I said, man, if they don't, if
they don't remember nothing else, if they can't understand our dialect,

(39:51):
they gonna remember what.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
The fuck we looked like.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
And I just I just I just always felt like
that was a way for me to really really be
able to distinguish myself, you know what I mean. And
I just remember when three thousand just start saying give
it where you're getting that shit from? I was like, man,
I go to the fabric store because it was one
day we was with George Clinton and Jeorge Clint.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
We was like.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
We were talking about something. We were like, We're about
to go to Green Brine and get some stuff for
a show, and he was like green Brine. He was like, man,
how you a start if the folks in the audience
got on the same clothes you got And it stuck
with me, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (40:34):
And people don't have to realize that.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
The first show I ever seen a live performance was
Prince and Cooling the Gang get six Flags. So with
that being the first time I ever seen two live performances,
that was kind of like my whole shit because I
was like, Okay, Prince wildly hell, but then Cooling the
game they cool So I always figured out that you

(40:59):
could beat both of them stage, but it always takes
You have to be a little bit different when you
talking about being remembered in which I was just talking
about as far as impact. See, I know that everybody
gonna have a run in this, but it's after all
the all the dust settles down that people really go

(41:21):
back and see who really, who really brought something to
the game, and who really didn't.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
You know, Like right now, it's just like the game
to me is just so controlled that.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
I'm like, you probably don't even get to see the
real artists out here right now, because everybody's mind frame
is how can I hook up the new artists? Put
him in the whole little money game, and she'll make
a couple of million off of him, and shit, he
ain't gonna last five years, so why should I care?
But that's not the mind frame that I come from,

(41:59):
because I don't do music for the quick money. So
I'm not gonna be out here rapping on everything.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
What about what about a street artist? Though? For them,
if the music is a way of like survival, It's like,
I'm getting that. This shit shit doesn't change that. The
robots all kind of shit, I do.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
I understand that, But I understand this too.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
A person that's twenty five or twenty three years old,
it's not gonna know the value.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Of only his face and his and his voice until
you don't have it.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
See, if you go and sign a three sixty deal,
they give you a couple of million up front, they
already knowing you're gonna fuck that money up. They already
know you're gonna fuck it up. You're young, so if
you go in, you give them a good high hit.
You gotta remember this too, Bro, They ain't giving you
no money. They are never giving you any money. It
they ain't already made. See if they.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Nigga, I'm I'm gonna say this, though, give a nigga
come from nothing, don't give a fuck what them folks make.
If y'all finna give me this, I'm out to ghetto now.
I'm telling niggas who come from that, Niggas who rapping now,
like these niggas who rapping now and the niga got
no job.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
These ain't got ship but a gun.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
And I'm with that.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I'm just saying, like, so these niggas don't give a
fuck what kind of deal it is. You could say
I owe you if I go work at McDonald you
get something in this country. Niggas don't give Some of
these niggas don't give a fuck cause niggas be so fucked. Look,
it's the same. It's the same mindset's back in the day.
If y'all signing for a twenty on, y'all gotta split it.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's the same mindset. So nigga don't give a fuck
what's in that contract?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
And on what your bank. But you're talking to Gilp
right now.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
I know you know nothing out I did my first
album and courgaes may feel house, courges may feel told
Gip come to your bedroom.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
M hm, he said, get bed.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
He said, all them, all them them, the original tracks
from from Superfly.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
He said, give it. He said.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
One thing that I can tell you, never sell your
publishing until you ready to retire. I've been in the
game for almost twenty five years. I ain't never did
a publishing deal. I own everything I ever did now,
I ain't tripping off. I do understand the thing about
coming from something nothing from nothing and saying that, hey man,

(44:26):
I could take the spy and I can do something
with it.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
You're right.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
But all I'm just saying is I just need more
executives and more people that's old enough to at least
sit these artists down and explain it in what they're doing.
Because if we're not gonna explain it in what they doing,
then guess what we ain't doing nothing but taking all
I young and dropping them off to the other folk
that ain't gonna do nothing but sell them at the

(44:52):
end of the day. So all I'm saying is if
you don't have another hit young man, at least get
your five for you going there, so you got some
negotiating power. Because if you just going there with one
and then they run out in six months, guess what
they own you for life? It don't it don't matter
if you go, It don't matter who shit you wrap on.
They coming to get the money. So as long as

(45:13):
you understand that, I'm fine. But all I'm saying is
that more of us need to start teaching these kids
the value of it and not just the money part
of it, right, you know what I mean? And then
we could go somewhere because if we sit down and say, hey,
look bro, we're gonna get three men.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I'm gonna take you over here. We're gonna get you
a goddamn win start with this.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
We're gonna get your goddamn some over here with this
at least something that's gonna make money for you for
the rest of your life if nothing else work. But
if you don't do that, at least being an og,
then we ain't doing nothing but giving our kids away
to be owned by other people.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
That's fast, that's real.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Well, you think about situations well, because we have people
sit here right on this platform and say, well, maybe
somebody I signed to in the streets, so maybe somebody
I trusted it I thought it was family, didn't do
me right by some paperwork and shit like that. Some
people in their mind, and I'm not saying it's right,
but some people in their mind is thinking like maybe
somebody that don't look like me will do better business.

(46:18):
That's just the mindset of some people, you know what
I'm saying, When they just go in and try to
get their first money, trying to get out of a
fucked up situation, if they're in the hood or whatever
the case is, they just going to find whoever they
think they can trust. You know what I'm saying, because
a lot of these kids is just that when they
first start doing business kids, so they don't know no better.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
I would say this, it's too many real leaders in Atlanta,
from Bank, from Ian Burke, from JD to Tip. It's
a lot of us that you could kind of walk
up on and ask us what's going on. It's one
thing I can say about Atlanta, man, We ain't too
much with the fame shit.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
It's like we stand on solid ground.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
All of niggas feel like they know already do like
you can't, Like I'm just let me say that, you
can't tell me.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
If I'm in a situation how to handle it.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
And he's saying, it's some dope right here, because some
niggas ain't motivated by the musics, motivated by it's a hustle, now,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I get what you're saying.
Like if niggas looking for their art, niggas feel like
this ain't even really my art. I'm just trying to
get me like a jug Like I said, some more
ship jugging it fanessing came and that's up. Like like
niggas looking at everything as a jug, I don't give

(47:30):
a funk about the rection. But then you fuk around
to be a big ass star.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying,
and what.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
And what about your g that man putting life on
the line for you to be able to get that
kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Everything good, But I'm just like bro, everything in a hustle.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
No, look this member thug member Thorp said. He said
in one of the interview I'll never forget, he said,
by tilling the bullshit that this because I knew what
I was. I just so fucked up. I don't give
fuck what get it to me. Come on, get y'all
can put me in front the people. I know what
I'm going to beat. Even do young nigga think like
I don't give fuck what it is.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
I need to shot and you get in. I'm just
telling you and bang you right, because I ain't gonna
tell you no lie.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
First time I seen Thug, first time I seen the
he came to see Future at the studio. We was
at Doppler, And first time I seen Thug, I knew
he was gonna be a star.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
I knew.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
I can't tell you what he walked in there with with.
You know, he came in there looking like through and
he instantly grabbed me like he gonna be a star man.
And the next time I seen him, that that crucial
performance when he performed Stoner for the first time.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
That's when I was like, God damn man.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
That niggas in the bad deal though, after rip fuck
what it is, because I know what I'm gonna do.
Some niggas know they're gonna outwork this liberal ass ship
like I know I'm gonna be way worth whatever, fix.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
This and see that's that's him. That's him, and that's
exactly what he did. And I really really applaud that.
I'm just saying that. Like the other day, when Ray
Dames put that commission together, I said, man, listen, bro
it needs to be a commission also the turns that
has that has the ability to go at these record

(49:30):
companies and change some of these things that going on
with our kids. We can't be executives for these people
and help them rape what's making our community great. If
we ain't gonna make sure that some of them leave
with some money, then guess what we ain't doing them
but doing what they've been doing to us. It makes

(49:50):
no sense to make all this money and then everybody
wind up still broke.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
So my mindset though, you know, but.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
The mindset gotta be we we as OG's got to
put this ship out here, because if we don't put
it out here and we just leave it on that
it's never a conversation with the young like damn, oh thought,
I ain't even think about it like that, shorty, you
run straight to the Jieve store.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I remember when ice Box was in the middle of
the marrow. Never d.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
I swear to God probly boy, they was the middle
of them all. My short sea load of one crumped
them up. So all y'all, hey sea loaded the first
one around here with all that bad ship man. Oh
that sea looad one crumped them up. So to see
where they at right now, Let's just make sure that
when we're giving that kind of another community all our money,

(50:42):
we are we understanding where are we keeping some of
it for ourselves? And if we as OJ's don't say,
hey man, cool buying that jewl bro, but by use
some land too, And they all that ship down got
there eighty five, go get some land too.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Short, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
So it's a it's about us be in educating them
past the street shit. Yeah, you know what I mean,
because if we don't, then we are also gonna be
held accountable for when they fall, right, you know, That's all.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Because bro, our cast were young too, they were eighteen nineteen,
they being rich, they being eighteen nineteen years old, so
you know for them to be in lived this long
and never have money problems because they at the same time,
some of the ogs sat down and told them, hey man,
it's bigger than just having money. You gotta understand what

(51:35):
to do with it, because hey man, Mike Tyson lost
four hundred million, so what's the little money we getting exactly?

Speaker 4 (51:43):
You know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. That's
all you know.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
That's the reason why I feel like right now, just
to be able to come back and the money go.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Me and James.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
We dropped this album and just getting the response for bro,
like we on the radio. We been added in London.
I ain't never been added on BBC radio, you know
what I mean, Like we in Belgium, we in Bermuda,

(52:16):
you know what I mean. I'm looking at it like this, Bro,
we're doing all this shit by myself. Ain't no major
with us. And that's what I needed to teach, and
that's what I want to teach to the youngest, that
if you learn the real business of this, you don't
just have to always go and take people money.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Ay man.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
The main thing to me is always gonna be like, hey, bro,
I aint never did a publishing deal, so guess what.
They ain't never had enough money for me to sign
what I write away. Because I'm a real artist. I
wrote everything I ever said So I don't know nothing
about selling myself off for cheap, and I don't care

(52:56):
about money like that, you.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
Nigga had money. Man came in the game on the
fourth car Man, I was already doing this. Money ain't
never really been my reason reckoning how I do things.
It's just always been about me caring about what I represent. See,
I had a mother and father together. My mother and

(53:19):
father were together my whole life. Man, See a lot
of stuff that a lot of these kids come from.
I don't come from that, you know what I mean?
But gut what it was in DC Hill Man back
there with Poe bird Man, I always been I've been
to I've been to the kid from a good family
that always went and stood with the with the hood

(53:41):
or something. Because yeah, it's like I felt comfortable in the.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
In the hood.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
I felt comfortable in DC Hill, I felt comfortable in
the low guards.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
It's like cause Kujo Kujo was another beast as a kid.
He was a west side kid. So Kujo was all
about the action at all times, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
So it's like being when you when you get that
that that ghetto kid, that that be off the chain,
and you hear partner, You're like, man, we've been going
to jails and shit ninth grade together. So for me,
I just be looking at it like I been the
type where I ain't been in so many situations. But

(54:22):
since I comfort something, I always knew when to walk away.
I walked away from a lot of situations that I
think would have got other people twenty five years. But
that was just because I was smart enough to always
listen to my father, you know what I mean. So
that's the reason why I'm a lot different than a
lot of people. And that's the reason why I say, Man,
I ain't never came into this industry to gain no father.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
That's why I don't. I don't look at no other
rappers like that, man, you know what I mean. You know,
i'd be like, man, I don't. I don't know what
that be about it.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Man, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
I don't you know, cause like what, like these folks
be thinking that they got to get a dead in
the game out here, man, Like I just be like, brother, No,
you don't, I don't know, sell their ass off. As
soon as somebody come off them enough money, that's all
he gonna do. In the music game. So you better,
you better understand that your alliance better be to yourself

(55:23):
and never to nobody else, because because because brother, you
ain't gonna do nothing a personal starter company sign.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Everybody and then say you to some Russians in the
middle of the night.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
So as long as you understand the game, you playing
it cool, you know. And that's the reason why me
doing a record with James Worthy. Now, y'all gotta really
get into this man over here, sitting over this man
over here. This was Whitney Houston's. This is an assistant man.
This this man hen I'm learning the other day he.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
On BBC Nude on the BBC and the ladies.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Say, man, James Bird they on here and work with
Katy Perry and Justin Bieber. I'm sitting on here like,
huh huh, huh. Fifty million records.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
So I'm like, when you ain't told me that, shout.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
And so it's so dope to just come with a
record like we did because it's just geared to women
and it's just geared to relationships. And I just feel like,
right now, you know, the biggest thing that I think
we're missing in black music is just.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
The part where we care about each other, like when
I grew.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
Up, man, I mean I remember when Atlanta, Man, it
wasn't enough for Atlanta nigga ride around town.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Bro listen to god Damn Keith swear.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
I'll be sure loud when the guy they'll win it
down straight out, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Like dude would listen to R and B music, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
And I'm just thinking like, now, man, these kid don't
have nobody but Jock Queeze and goddamn Chris Brown for
the had twenty years like Chris Brown had the whole
R and B section down, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
So you know I'm looking at it like, yeah, of.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
Course that because we just interviewed life and we had
this talk.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Oh you did.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
But you know it's just talking about love never gets old.
And I think in the black community right now and
just in black music, man, we don't talk enough about
just us care for each other.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Like it's all teed Ale shit, you know what I mean.
And it's cool. You know, I come from the.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
NW, a loose skywalker the ear. But shit, at least
you had something else. You had BBD. You had no addition,
you had something no balance. So as as as as
us being grown people, how long do we let these
people that we work for get this off without us
saying anything as a community, because nigga need to say though,

(57:58):
Like as a com un I think all these black
execs need to get together and say, hey, man, if
you're gonna allow AI artists into the industry, then you
cannot three sixty people who breathe and live every day.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
You can't do it.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
You can't do it, bro, you can't it. Got somebody
got to stand up. Somebody got to stand up, man,
and then we're gonna make more money. We're gonna make
more money. But if you gonna let aid, you gotta understand.
I've been watching gurus page.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
I've been watching a lot of people pays a lot
of discussion about this AI.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Stuff going on.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
It's called AI, it's AI artists. I just watched something
on Kanye West last night. Man did a whole song
sounded like Kanye ain't nobody, ain't Kanye, ain't nowhere in there,
no but the computer. And I'm saying, if we not
gonna at least as a community fight some of this shit,
guess what we It's not gonna be no artists, no

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more right, and and guess what all they did was
butter a few of us up. We took the millions,
but we ushered in a whole new artist and we
killed ourself.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Neven Mason Handy, she said she they're gonna mix out
them for look AI and they charging end of an
artist's career.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
And what they're doing, they're going over to other countries
and doing it like they're going to Japan. They're going
to other places and they creating these artists. And once
they get over here, there and sold a couple of
million records and there's nothing you could do because the
train already gone. They said, anything else.

Speaker 7 (59:41):
When what that does, too, just to break down the
AI thing further, is that eliminates the label's responsibility because
it's like, since it's an artificial intelligence, which is which
is essentially not a real person. Theyn't got about these niggas.
No cards ain't got about these niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
So who writing the music though? Who got to get
support for the writing their own music?

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
No, they're doing exactly what they would do for artists.
They bringing their writers in and making them write songs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Now, Oh, somebody gotta perform it though like not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
The image performed typing in I'm saying like, like what
I'm saying is like do I need do I gotta
go record it like auto tune type ship or no.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
They're doing they putting the voices together in the computer
and type words, and then it's saying the words.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Talk melody because because.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I'm saying, how you get the melody, how you get
the rep of the rep right with the flow? You
hear what you hear what Siri talk to you on
your phone and her voice changes serious.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
The exact same thing now.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
So so that means that when I say, yo, bro,
all I'm saying, I don't mean to disch nobody. But
at the end of the day, if I a and
our person who could be a great marketing person for
a label can go in the studio by everybody on
the goddamn be a board, put them on the record,

(01:01:12):
by all the producers and the writers, and then call
theyself an artist, that's just not that's not an artist.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
That's a record label.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
So all I'm saying is they're bleeding everything into one thing,
and then they're trying to make where it's no different artists.
It's no different from them than the person who just
knows how to put a record together. And everybody artists
where AI artists is an artist also. But understand that
this is a this is a control thing, just like putting.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
These motorized dogs in the grocery store to check out
your groceries and chips.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Like you know what I'm saying. But how the fuck
is they being like rappers somebody wrapping it out?

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's like a computer. They'll go, they'll do
a song, they have Kanye West voice. The motherfucker gonna
wrap the song just like Kanye West.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I'm saying. So I'm just using like what I'm saying,
is it somebody gotta say it now, Matthias I explaining
for you. It's sirius like top the SERI right now.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
It's like it's basically they got technology to where like
let's just say, let's just say you Kanye.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
They got Kanye, They got Kanye West.

Speaker 9 (01:02:29):
Vocals, right, they could use apportion his vocals and use
his voice reflections and put it into their system to
whatever you're supposed to do on that on that record,
that can use that voice reflection, the.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
Type, the type in everything. How they want it, and
then the computer spits it back out in that cadence,
in that mixture of voices, however you want to play it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
So they gonna have God, They're gonna have big ass coacher,
no artists. The arts is gonna be one nigga on
different hologrounds like let the people come out and jump
around to hop.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
But if you really think about it, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
Like they've been pushing the metaburship for like two three
years now. That's basically that whole agenda.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Like, but I can't tell you this screen man, I
ain't had a great time for twenty five years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
I ain't been all over the world. Rap has been great.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
Uh all my all, my homeboy, they good and I
can't do nothing but live another twenty man, because I
got a new TV show coming out on Tin with
Man Robinson.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
It's called on Tin.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
It's coming out, got vehicle, whole bunch of people in
the Clifton Power everybody, Uh doing a comedy a comedy
TV show with Tory Hart, Kevin Hart's X ex wife doing,
and uh what's LeVar Walker?

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
The comedian?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Soa they got.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
So it's like for me personally, I'm just gonna go
to the TV and do more TV, you know, and
just expound about and being an artist. And then like
James just told me, like we probably have to go
to London for the BBC Summer Jam. So just to
be able to get back out here on the road man,
and create and recreate a whole new situation for me

(01:04:14):
after this long, I'm totally ecstatic.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
I'm I'm having a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
What happened? What happened in that conversation just for we
like clarity on Big Fast?

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Why what led the conversation for you to say that
Tupac would have took Beyonce from jay Z? That was
what Well, I saw a clip, but I just see
the whole said if Tupac basically was a lie, he
would have took Beyonce from jay Z?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Is that again again, man? Jay?

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
No, no disrespect, cuse, no disrespect Beyonce, love your baby.
You had my baby dancing with which out the in
l A for the obscoles and shit. So the reason
why I said that because I knew Tupac Okay, okay,
Tupac will another animal, bro Like Tupac was a superstar

(01:05:05):
before we knew what a superstar was in rap music.
He had everything that it took and everything if you
think about it, he was the first sex symbol as
far as rap in our generation. Thirdly, he the one
set the whole blueprint on doing five, six ten songs
a night. He started that, you know. And then another

(01:05:28):
thing is that shit, bro, Like, I don't know too
many people that could sell six million records from the grave,
So it's like his impact was crazy, you know what
I mean? And nah, my only thing was because I
already knew if you knew Tupac back then, Like he
was the only dude that could get next to Madonna.

(01:05:49):
What other rapper could get next to Madonna back then?
What on the rapper for getting next to Canada Quincy
Jones daughter Janney Jackson. He was bro that dude walked
into a room, bru It was something else he was.
He was just a phenomenon by hisself. And then he
had a skill that other rappers didn't have. He actually

(01:06:12):
went to school for acting, so he had a skill
that was not just every Yeah, it wasn't an everyday
thing to have that kind of skill.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
And to understand Hollywood at that time.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
During that time, Hollywood and the music business didn't even
get to They didn't even deal with each other. So
he was the one that really joined Hollywood and the
music business together. So you just got to look at
the impact that that that pop had and at the
end of the day, like you ain't got to ask me,

(01:06:43):
ask Andre Rise and man Pop. We was crazy, Man
Pop pull up to your house and pick your girl
up with you there and didn't give her down. So
I don't know, I don't know too many people that
had them kind of skills back then, you know what
I mean. So that the reason why I would say
that anybody now they've been able to watch so many

(01:07:04):
other rappers do it. I mean, of course you know
how to do it. Of course you perfect, of course
you got it all down packed. I'm talking about when
didn't nobody know what the fuck were going on, didn't know,
didn't nobody control it, didn't nobody understand what nobody was doing.
Everybody was just doing what we had in front of us.
And I just feel like Tupac doing those times he

(01:07:26):
was he was further than a lot of us in
the game, just because of his experience of being from
New York and the West Coast. He was just more
diverse than a lot of the regular rappers at that time.
That's all that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
That clarity. Clarity. You know you can see a clip
and get some ship fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
Yeah, yeah, because they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Be you know, give it say that about you. We're
gonna say that you think you about to take your way?

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
She if she want to go? He might say, they
do I think that? I don't know, man, I don't know. Man,
these girls do things they want to do. I don't
know like that. That would have to be a personal question, like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
You didn't get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Do I think that you don't think that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
What? So if you I don't think you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
I said I said that in that in that time
and that contest, But I didn't mean in that contest.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I was just I was just ship.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Yeah, I was just saying that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
That's how what what I did on dialogue, that's how
we talk in the barber shop. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Yeah, they said, yeah, what you were you mad?

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
I said, no, really, I just I just get I
just gave you how Southern niggas talk in the barber shop.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
And then if you understand that part, then you understand that.
I wasn't really tripping on you. I was just saying
that the man was that type of dude that if
the baddest girl in the room, he gonna try how
the baddest girl. And there wasn't no slight to you
or to him at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
I was just saying that that's how he was, Like
if he seen Janet over there, he gonna go over there,
Hey Jenny, what was happening?

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
You see it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
You like it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
You know what I mean? He was just he had
that kind of spirit. So no, I'm what you're.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Saying though, because you know, niggas talk different fromhen we
be somewhere else like other citizen should not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Be hearing niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I be like humh because it sounds kind of hunk.
But that's just how them nigga talk, you know what
I'm saying. All them understand it. Like he was saying
that just in comparison, like shout out with that nigga.
Nigga look at like take you know this a personal.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
World and the like yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't mean that, Bro,
I ain't mean it in that sense, big brother, Like
I ain't mean in that sense I was just saying,
like the man was just a cocky kind of dude.
I mean, Puff used to be like that. Puffa was
a cocky dude back in the day. Bro Puff was cocking.
He was the only one that could match his COCKA
would rereak away, y'all. He could match that cocky all

(01:10:03):
day with their West Side shit. So it's like, I
understand the cocky shit, and certain people had it during
them times when other people didn't carry it like that,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
And I can't say that Puff was one of them cats.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
He was way advanced when it came to present himself
and how he was gonna do it with bad Boy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
He was advanced, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:10:23):
So no, no disrespect to Jay because I mean, like
Dame dash Man, people don't talk about him, Bro, But
how y'all just trying trying to write Dame dash shot
the game you write Dame, I mean, they don't get
everything that everybody doing the shit Dane was talking about,

(01:10:43):
but everybody kind of did it without him. But at
the same time, like to the way Dane talked back then,
was just so ahead of his time too, you know
what I mean, Like all the record labels, that the
record labels didn't want nobody talking like that against them.
So you know, just looking at what he did, looking
at what he did, looking at what Jay Prince did,

(01:11:06):
like them dudes really stood out there for a long time,
but not the back in the New York and not
the back in the LA. So that's all I'm saying
is that people don't understand that New York always got
the back in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
The New York.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
It's a whole another room regarding New York, you know
what I mean, And the South don't have that. The
South just got everybody that I ain't came up in
the game looked like me, you know what I mean.
And that's because of where I'm from. But in LA
in New York, it's another situation that goes on. It's

(01:11:41):
other people that's involved with a lot of the success
of those artists. And I'm saying that from Atlanta, these
artists didn't have those advantages, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
So no, I'm not tripping over it. I'm just saying
that our value was only the music. We didn't have anything.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
Else to kind of like go to or try to
flip our start to or our fame too. It was
about us making sure that we were just the best
every time we dropped the album. And that's just you know,
out cares. It's the only group that ever dropped platinum album.
Every album they dropped.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Sold more and more and more.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Whereas when I say that who bigger than Dungeon Family
in the South, we the last crew that dropped an
album in twenty ten that sold diamond. It's nobody from
the from the nineties that got a diamond album. So
we staying there's a crew with a whole bunch of
people from the two thousands. So just understand where I

(01:12:44):
come from.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Verses with the whole Dungeon Family against.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
Ain't nobody could beat us. I was just about to
say that they can't beat us. They can't beat us
because they ain't. They ain't got se Lo Green, Nolls
Barkley with them. They can pull out them Nalls Barkley albums.
You ain't got that. You ain't got a three thousand
nigga pull our hay y'all of stage number one for
eight weeks in London. You ain't got that, ain't produced

(01:13:10):
the whole fucking album. You ain't got that. So when
you talk about it anybody, I'll just be like, who
you talking about? And once shot it starts singing. You
ain't got nobody over there that can't do nothing like that.
So Dad is again an Ain't nobody beating us live nowhere?
Ain't nobody beating our casting goodie mab live No? Well,

(01:13:31):
bad boys know that. Mm everybody know that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Bruh.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
We been whooping the ass man since we been out
understanding goodie mob. But the only crew in the South
that won three four years straight and vibe for live performances,
nobody touched us. So when you say, hey, man, get
why you got a problem with these folks, come in.
These folks know when we whooping their head, they ain't
wanna give us no awards. You got the the you

(01:13:56):
got these stick men out here talking about they great man,
You motherfuck can't do shit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I'm sorry, but I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
What you feel like, what you feel like they ain't
doing what you feel like like? What's the what's the like,
what's the issue? What gift like? I got me fucked up?
What make you feel like he got me fucked up?

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
Well, first of all, at the end of the day,
you can never you can never ever write us out
when I'm on every outcast that ever came out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
How you feel like they're right?

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Okay? So how you feel like?

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
First of all, you gotta look, I've been banned since
my first record. I've been banned. I got banned my
first record, so I'm always I got black ball, first record,
sell therapy. Why is in our culture when you come
with knowledge, motherfuckers turn their back on that. But they
love all the street shit, But anything that makes us

(01:14:48):
look smart in the industry, they don't. They turn their
back on And do you think that them other motherfuckers
that put the money into this ship, why they don't
never stand beside nothing that make us look good, but
stand behind everything that make us look fucked up? Tell
me that, bro, Tell me why you just now seeing

(01:15:09):
public enemy on the grammars? Why does anything that represents
us in the good light don't get no light? So
when you look at an artist like me, I'm just
a renegade, my nigga, I know that the trophies don't
mean nothing because anything of value to my community is
always shine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
So who is it though?

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Who is it?

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Who is it is the congressions?

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Who is it like who it might be your lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
It might be your lawyer.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Just think about this.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
When the artists come into the music business, they tell
you who you sign it to, who's gonna handle your money,
who's gonna be your lawyer, and they are from the
same community.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Yes, sir, yes sir. It's nothing bad. But it's just
the truth, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:16:16):
So with that being said, it's us being artists, executives
and everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
I'm not upset cause somebody running the game on us.
I'm upset that we keep letting people run the game
on us right now. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
You know what I'm saying. Cause they going they move,
you are set cause we going for them.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
We keep letting them go for the move.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
Yeah, if we gonna keep letting them go for the move,
then then we just we We are the game and
we are the prey of the game as long as
the game is being played.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
HM.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
So when an executive want artists like myself or artists
like James or any of us who've been in the
game and been able to survive, and they could tell
these young kids, first thing is ZIX try to do it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Tell us oh Ji, y'all too old. Man. The kids say, Man,
let me tell you something. Bro, how nigga to just
start listening to hip hop when he got to college?
Tell me something?

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
And who are you to tell me when I need
to lead their business? When Burr you wrote, you work
for somebody else you don't own. You don't own that,
the company you work for you don't own. So how
you telling artists that it made an impact in something?
It's time for them to go. No, that's because you
will let them folks in indocunent you with the game

(01:17:34):
of rape, rape, rape your own folk, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna give you bonuses and more money at the
end of the year. Don't tell them nothing bad about
this shit, tell them everything good about it. So when
you look at an artist like Kendred Lamar, it's like,
we only got one Kendrick, We only got one j Cole.

(01:18:00):
I'm just saying, y'all, I'm just saying as far as
us being a community where we don't got no Queen
latifas no more. We ain't got one Queen Latifa, We
ain't got one mc light. We ain't got nothing to
at least balance out the perception of what people think
of us as a community.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
You're right funny with you, right, you know what I mean, Like,
it's all one one way. It ain't no balance, ain't
no rn B, it ain't no R and B. It
ain't no motherfucking like, no conscious rapper none. It's just
all one way and it's all you. It's just like
and then that's so artists on the come up, donna
think that's the only way.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
It gives no other it gives, it gives no other examples.
It gives no other examples.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
And all I'm saying that we think it gives artists
out here that's trying to do that though what that
shit just ain't working out?

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
What wre you know what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
What it is?

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
And and and the industry tells me this, he said,
givet you know what. Just the bad thing about the industry,
all the trash rappers they got all the money, and
all the good artists they ain't got no money. Like
and I'm just like it's kind of hard though, because

(01:19:12):
you got to think about it, Like most artists, if
they really love music, they ain't got no money, man, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
They got no money.

Speaker 7 (01:19:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
You know what I mean like the hustling.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
The hustling shit didn't come to late in this rap
shit Like the hustling shit came late when niggas really like, well.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
I'm a hustle to do my thing. But a real artist, man, man,
he living on two bologna sandwich.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
Just surprise man every day. Man Like, it's just that
what it is. And I'm just like, you know, but
one thing I can say this is that this art
man has changed a lot of our lives in Atlanta.
And I just look at it like, if we don't
at least start talking against the things that is disrespectful

(01:20:02):
and wrong to us, then I think that all of
us is gonna lose it in a minute, because sooner
or later they ain't gonna do nothing to buy all
us out. So if we don't at least start as
ogs kind of trying to retrain some of the young
to at least think a little bit like us, I
think everybody's just thinking on money, You're gonna lose it

(01:20:25):
because money is really.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
It ain't nothing in this game.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
Because the reason why I say that, because somebody give
you a couple of million dollar deal today and then
come in tomorrow and then the president and the person
that signs you get fired.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Now you just a lost cause and you get shelled.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
They need to be sucked up, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
But they started, they starting to take the money back. Now,
they starting to take the money. They start, they starting to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Take the money back now.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
So because with them putting the life insurances on you,
with them giving you this kind of money, they are
putting provisions in these contract that if you don't give
them the ascertain the music at this time and that time,
now they can start taking the money back. So now
now you can't take your your your hand, your name

(01:21:21):
off that contract, but now they can take the finances back.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
So all.

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Insurance policies and shit.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
I don't think that they knocking niggas off. I think
that they already know niggas gonna put theirselfs in the
situation where shit, that's gonna be already free money, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
So I got ambitious to do that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
Though. They fuck with niggas and get their social Security
numbers and know they in the streets and ship and
take insurance policies down there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
When the nigga died, they get rich and and.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
And that's just something that's really really that's cold. But
I'm saying that it goes down because it's it's just.
But see, I'm just looking at what we're going going
through as a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Community, that this is the first step to change.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
The first step to change, we have the first of all.
First of all, deal with accountability, you know what I mean.
La Read and Babyface man really came to this town
and really put some culture on it, you know what
i mean. And I'm just saying that once I was
able to walk into a studio with La or Babyface,

(01:22:27):
it made me want to change and be bigger than
the streets. So why do you all think that after
the first album three thousand ain't dressed like the streets
no more? Because he wanted more. So all I'm saying
is having the opportunity to do music at a bigger
at a bigger place. All these kids are coming to
this shit thinking this shit street man, this shit is

(01:22:49):
so much bigger than that. Like Jane tell me all
the time, Man, yip man, it's the world, this London,
this Germany, it's Paris, it's all that kind of shit.
But if you're not thinking about that kind of shit, man,
this time, time and your moment is so fast now
with social media. So all I'm saying is that if
you don't have at least a bigger mindset of being

(01:23:11):
bigger than the street, then how can you be future.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
You saying, you're saying, you know how fun She can
take a nigga he taken here, that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
It was a ship you're doing, that's your dream. She
could take you place you can never imagine now that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
You do it the right way. This she could take you. Yeah,
you're right, right, but but but.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
I got some home. But they'd be like, man, what
koolbre is at?

Speaker 6 (01:23:33):
Man, everybody can't handle this ship, bro, everybody he helped,
but she this industry ship, Like everybody ain't equipped for it,
you know what I mean, Everybody ain't equip for this
industry ship.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Like mentally, you know, like.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
You know, like I could be freal, like even with me,
like I quit music for a long time, for a
good little minute, just because it got sad my dude,
like losing losing my niggas, slimmed, losing pimp, losing soldiers,
slim Like I was close to a lot of these

(01:24:11):
folks that people listened to, so they were my partners.
So losing them the music, man like, It's just like
it made me not an't want to rap no more,
you know what I mean. I ain't really pick up
the the microphone again til I went and started messing
with Nelly them. I was on the run from the police.

(01:24:33):
I had a warn and shit, and I was like, man,
I'm walking down the street on sunset and I leave
pulled up. I went and did that shit with Nelly
and I wounded up doing five years with them, selling
what sweat Souit sold eight million, Grill sold nine me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
I mean, I went some everwhere and sold records.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
Bro. But it's just like the lifestyle, get tirresome bro Like, man,
you know, went through a divorce, lost houses and cars,
had to start over.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Shit. I was just too vild shot. I haven't got
damn too much.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
I was doing too much, man, I was, you know,
get with first to be kind, bro, I would Me
and Joy was the first hip.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Hop couple like before anybody, so you know doing Joy.
That was Dallas Austin's second hand.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
She was with Madonna ere where you know, Joe was
a whole another beast then, you know what I mean,
So me being with her being that I'm from southwest Atlanta,
E Point. It was just a total It was like
some bobbying and witness shit from it was rapped, you
know what I mean. But it wasn't on what they
were doing. It was just I shit was just wild
rock and roll ship, you know what I mean. I'm

(01:25:48):
just you know, and then me man like shit, I
got I got, man, I got a lot of girls.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Man, I can't help her. Man, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
You got what the women brot? My hell long, hell long, man.
I'm taking all invitations. Man, I'm writing prescriptions.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:26:16):
Everybody get a shot man with the hell man, I'm
from the gentleman club.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Man, I'm trying to general you know. So it's like,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
I think it was just that dad again that that.
That's another thing I would tell a young artist man,
like you got a long time to live. I don't
think about marriage to thirty and thirty five years old.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Man, I'm telling I'm telling all. I'm telling y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
I'm just saying. I'm just I don't read why I'm
saying that, because see, I know you don't know yourself
when you do that I know you don't, because I
would with fame, having more money than I ever had,
and still trying to be a father like my father
was to me. My father working ups and was a soldier,
so he came home every night. I didn't, you know

(01:27:15):
what I mean. So it's like, you know, trying to
trying to be young, trying to be famous, trying to
understand the shit, not trying to be lame. And shit,
I mean shit, all three of us are supposed to
get me. I'll tell y'all. Shit, all three of us
supposed to get mad. All three of who Me and
Jory Dallas and Chilling and three thousand and Erica. We

(01:27:41):
all were gonna get married together. Boy, them two nigga
bagged out in the last week. I had to go
on and do a shout. I couldn't even bag out
of him. Two nigga bagged out, and then I was like, shit,
wind up getting into the wood. Shit, man, I should
have bagged out. Oh my goodness, I'm just saying, yeah,
I'm just being out of it because I'm saying I

(01:28:04):
was too young to try to be what you needed
to be a star. My child keep Sire came right
out the hospital and went right on tour.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
So what let me ask you this, what y'all think
is to like the qualifications of a nigga being a
married man, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
What's the qualification?

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
I would say, at least knowing yourself. Most men don't
know ourselfs until we pass our thirties. And I'm gonna
tell you because women change five times. Women change when
they start sixteen, twenty one, twenty five, twenty eight, and

(01:28:46):
when they go in to they thirties, when they get
to they forties, yeah, but they be a whole another
person too, because then when they get to they forties,
they find out they still find they everything, still work
this shit, They still gonna be able to find whatever
they can when they were younger. But men, we are,
we have to understand what it is just to be

(01:29:07):
a man, to be able to take care of ourselfs.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Most of us still.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
You know, for a long time, man, I still kept
my mama over certain shit because I'd be like, I
ain't about to be doing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
That shit, like like Texas and shit, a lot of
shit that we don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
I think that we should know that shit before we
get involved with somebody else to try and be there
they other have because a lot of us don't even
know what it is to be a man. Really when
we get married before thirty And a multimedian there told
me that, he say, man, I tell all my kids,

(01:29:43):
don't don't even think about that till you get thirty five.
Don't even think about that. Get your life straight, get
your the way you gonna live, and the things that
you're gonna do for yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Get you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
You can't have a goal for somebody else when you
ain't a reach yours, you can't do it. And being
in the marriage at a young age, both of y'all
trying to figure out what the fuck going on, both
of y'all trying to figure out what works with both
of y'all. But money is a big thing in marriage,
and you don't know that till you get married. Shit

(01:30:19):
lead real fast when it's two of y'all. But when
you add a child through it, it's and music interviews,
going out of town. The same person that loves you
last week, they can turn it to they can start
becoming jealousy because that person's left with the child and
you out there doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
So you gotta understand that it's a hard thing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
To try and balance fame and family, because family really
needs time for family, and money does not erase the
time that's lost.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
That's all real shit.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Jim, some big gift man.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
We appreciate you putting up the big fast James Worthy
salute man on the streets.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
It's a big fact, no cap. Fitch