BIG FACTS feat. CAM KIRK

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big Bank DJ scream and Baby J with the number
one podcast industry, Big.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Facts, a love from Revose Studios and the Atailor's time
for Big Facts. Big Bank, Baby J, d J screamed
the legendary Cam Kirk don't pulled up on the show
on Big Fast Today, k Kirk, what's up?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's up? Welcome back to Big Facts.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Brother sir, I'm blessed man. Thank you all for having me.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
How many more?

Speaker 5 (00:24):
How many more millions of dollars have you added to
your portfolios?

Speaker 6 (00:27):
Is the last I've seen that studio.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm a photographer, man, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
You don't do that. We don't get some of them invoices.
Don't do that, right.

Speaker 6 (00:36):
I tell people the same ship. I'm a podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm chilling man. I'm chilling man.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Everything good in good sperience, everything positive.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm so blessed man. I can't complain about that. Man.

Speaker 7 (00:47):
Life has been great this year, just navigating, you know, evolving.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I feel blessed man. I'm good.

Speaker 8 (00:53):
That's one thing, like not to get off topic or whatever,
but that's one thing like I can always say about you, Cam,
is that no matter what, no matter what time of
day or night, no matter where we're at or like
whatever's going on, it's like you always have a positive
energy flow. Sure, and it's like you're always you're always

(01:13):
seemingly like in the right mental space. And you know
what I'm saying, that shit rubs off, and that shit
is important to have people like you in the world
because you make a difference and you like change the
vibration for real, Like that shit is I just I
want to give it that Like any time over the
whole fifteen something years I've known you, like it's always

(01:34):
been that I've never seen you have a bad day.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
And that's like that's deep right there.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah. I feel like for me, I just stay grounded.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
Yeah, I never let the success of what are we doing, right,
I don't take it for granted, Like it's a blessing
what we do, like to wake up and spend our
days doing this, like I could be working a job,
doing hard labor and doing whatever. So for me, it's
exciting because we're literally creating and have been creating our
destiny and in his life for ourselves. So to know

(02:02):
where I started, like with the little camera and to
see that turn into all of this, like I got nothing,
I could be mad about I'm over here playing golf
with bank Man, enjoying ourselves like it's joy. So I've
always kind of been that way, but I will say, like,
if you follow my journey, I definitely took a slight
step back from the music side to protect that piece.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
Dude, how important do you think that was for you?
To do that?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Life changing?

Speaker 7 (02:31):
It was life changing because for me as a photographer,
I was on the path of just being like a
service provider for whoever. Like my destiny was in the
hands of whatever artist I was working with at that time.
So if they mess around and fucked up their career
and that all of a sudden, they could impact what
I was doing. So for me, I had to get
out of being like dependent on that. Now I love it,

(02:53):
I enjoy it. I still work with artists every single day,
but if something go left, I'm not just going to
go down with them so tied to it. But yeah,
I'm not really tied to it like that. So it
gave me way more freedom. And then I'm grounded because
I'm with my team, like I'm with my world all
day and night. It's my like we go over there
and then we come back home, like we're in the studio.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's my world.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
I'm creating it, I'm running it the way that I
wish certain other people ran there. And I'm able to
kind of be in my own world and then step
one foot in music when I want to, and then
the other side I'm over here doing my things. So
I think that was big for my mental health because
I know that music industry can burn you.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Out, like it's a lot going on. There's a lot
going on at all times.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
But you think the differences between the music industry when
you first started up to now, like what's the biggest difference.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
The biggest difference, I would say is money. When it
first started, we didn't. It wasn't like an example of
this making as much money as it's making now, you
know what I'm So, it was more passion, it was
more love, it was more collaboration.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
It felt like we were creating freely.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
Like if you see any of our work with Doug
or Metro whoever, was no managers or labels or business
in the room. It was just we're just vibing, you know,
we creating, and that's what came out of it. And thankfully, Yeah,
art was really being created, I think now, which is
a blessing that you know, now you know you can
make real money off of this, Like our independent artists

(04:19):
are looking richard than I've ever seen the rapper look before.
So now because there's money, it's way more hands in it,
it's way more discussion, it's way more technicals and technical
side of it, and it does, in my opinion, hurt
the just genuine passion and collaboration that usually came from it.
So it's like a gift in the curse, like you know,

(04:40):
I think a little bit of that is why the
magic is. People feel like the magic is gone from
Atlanta because man I said in studio sessions with some
of the biggest artists and we were just in there collabing,
like it wasn't nothing to it nice that people would
never believe that these two individuals in the room together,
and I just don't really see that anymore. So I
think that's were really changed, Like we all started making

(05:01):
real money off of it. So it's a blessing, but
it definitely changed the energy.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
I think, like every engineer, producer, photographer, video for everybody
has this moment, right where's the time when to come up?
Where you messed up and you had to fix it
and you had to own it. You might have messed
up somebody shoot or.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Whatever.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
I just messed up this year this year. Still yeah,
still always learning new stuff, you know what I mean.
You always earn different situations, different experiences. Yeah, I can
talk about I just did a shoot with NBA young boy. Yeah,
like a couple of months ago, first shoot that he
did coming out of his situation, and man, I killed it,

(05:46):
like one.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Of the best. I felt like.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Bag.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I felt like like every.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Shot Jesus Michael like flew out to Utah kilt it.
I'm so excited about it because I'm like, oh, like
not that I took too far a step away, but
I feel like you got to remind people right now
and then what I do. And to get that call
from someone outside of Atlanta at this height of his career,
I'm like, oh, this is perfect, perfect time. And then

(06:14):
some of the photos came out, so some of them
are like his flyer for his tour and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
But uh, like a week after the shoot, I had
sent them to the drop box.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
I sent them like the links to the photos and
stuff like that, but I know they were having like
a small trouble like viewing it, like most artists maybe
don't really know how to da So it was a
few times I had to send like a different link.
So then I'm actually in the middle of a meeting,
I get a text from an iCloud number. It's funny
because Offset just talked about it. I got a text

(06:45):
from an iCloud number with his name in the front,
and its just like, say, bro So I'm like, nobody
ever talked to me like that before. But one minute,
like one man talks like that. It's the name he's
like sending them pictures we just took. So I'm thinking,
and it's him, Like I who else would know that we.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Something you got?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
You got a fucking hacker.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Bro man. I don't know how they got my number.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
I just sent the photos not even thinking, just just
moving too fast, just you.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Know, not even you know.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
I beat myself up about that ship for a while because,
like they it didn't happen right away, so like days
later the photo.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Should start leaking out.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
So his fans just that they that crazy. They won't know,
they wan't. They like they on it, like they're gonna
look you up, find your number. I don't even know
how they found my number. I'm like, how they know
you're doing the shoot? How they all of these questions
I'm having. That's why it's like it's not even registering
in my mind that I'm getting hacked. I'm just like, Oh,
the only person I know I did this is this

(07:42):
is him and his team. They wanted the photos. I'm like,
maybe he just wants to send directly to his phone.
It's easier for him to do something with it. One
of them had came out. I'm like, Okay, they're in
the process, they rolling it out, and so I'm I'm
constantly making mistakes, and you know, I had to get
my lawyers involved. We had to get the page taken down,
Like we had to do a lot of fixing, you know,

(08:03):
the best you can. You can't really do with so
much when the magic is gone like that. But yeah,
I'm constantly making mistakes. Man, That's just a part of life.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Is there any moment you were greater you missed that
you wish you could have been there?

Speaker 7 (08:15):
The document I regret, Like I give myself credit for
having like a vision for who was gonna pop? Like
anybody I've been associated with has really almost became a superstar.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Like a lot of my I don't have a lot
of people.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
I was like that I believed that I invested in
that didn't really turn into something. So from that perspective,
I love my judgment from that. But what I didn't
know was that the world would look at us at
this level of magnitude. So although somebody might look at
my collection and be like he took a lot of photos,
he did a lot of video. For me, I look

(08:50):
back and be like, I should have took photos and
video every day, Like I shouldn't have never turned my
camera off. I should have been just building a catalog.
So as my name started to get more relevant, I
did take my foot off the gas a little bit
and be like, I'm not doing that type of you know,
you'll come around Metro and you don't bring your camera

(09:12):
that dude, Yeah, you're like, you know, I'm just part
of it. Like you become part of the culture so
much that you forget what your role is sometimes, you
know what I mean. And I feel like there was
like a little spin where I felt like I look.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Back and I'm like, damn, like I was.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
I was around for Dirty Sprite, too, But I ain't
my camera every day, Like I'm just in the room
getting invited, listening to the music, and they're still looking
like what a camera? Can they still they like, I'm thinking,
I'm just cool enough to be in the room. And
it's like, sometimes you could forget that what you play
for that that role you play, you know, And I'm
grateful it ain't so big that it's those mistakes aren't

(09:48):
issues that affected my legacy or whatever, but definitely they're
definitely moments I'm like, damn, I should.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Have recorded that. That would have been crazy. Yeah. Sure, nah.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I've got to ask you, so how you you just
moving into a new space right.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, we're on the belt line now. You had
to get off down. I had to get from Magic Man.
We were there for seven and a half years.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
It is legendary, Like like what we did in that room,
we made it legendary, you know what I mean. Like
we took literally nothing, we were giving literally nothing and
turned it into a cultural house. But when you're trying
to build a business at this point, like legit business,
it's like everything matters. A community you're in matters. The

(10:32):
parking can matter, the safety of your clients. All that
stuff can matter, and we got comfortable downtown because it
was it was fun. Like you you look out the window,
it's magic. It's you're seeing a little baby go there
for like they shift, like you're seeing people like you
feel like you're really entrenched in culture. But what people
don't understand is Magic is only open and really popping,

(10:55):
like late at night. So I don't really get no
real feedback or like it's not like it's really helping
me too much. So my business is stuck and where
we're at, like you have Magic on one side, Greyhound
bus station on the other side, the jail behind you
on this side, and the martyr and my neighbors. So
it's like, what type of business am I really getting? Yeah,

(11:17):
it's like I'm not getting nothing but an unsafe environment.
And as we continue to trying to grow and do
bigger business, it did start to get to a point
where it's like y'all got to make a move.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
You're like trying to bring people down just to talk
real not clients, just even potential.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Corporate customers, customers all are you nervous about everything? Like
we've had rappers that were scared to get out the
car like I'm doing a shoot with them and they
not getting out the car. They're like, bro, I don't
know where you got me at. I'm not getting out
this car. So stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Because it'd be like the homeless people.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Then you got to come around the side door.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
It's like the elevated spooky elevated spooky jump in.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
There, like all types. It's like what we're doing.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
Like after a while, it was like I was scared
to move though, Like you know, it's a scary decision,
like to get up and move, and then your business
gotta be right when you go to certain different situations
and stuff like that. So for a long time, I
made it a bigger deal to move, Like I was
just scared that we couldn't replicate the energy from downtown

(12:17):
to there where people feel like I changed or.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Did da da da da.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
So it took a minute, but we had to do it,
and our business has actually been booming way more since
we moved.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
For sure, people walking by, just walking back walking by.
I ain't never had that I see you out there walking.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
We ain't never had the ability to just walk out
the door and see people and be like, yeah, come
on in or they heard.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
About it, but they never got a chance to experience it.
So and you get to see people that's looking for
you too. Sure, what's like you know you was over here,
what you're doing? Like, Nah, it's a blessing, It's a blessing.
And congratulate everybody.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Be on that bell line, like you never know who
you literally gonna see out there. Like I go out
my door every day, I see somebody.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
You're in the PM. Look you're in the prim spotlight. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yeah, I went from the worst location to the best.
Look the sack overnight.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Man, I'm in the shoot as you got right now. Man.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
The community is big, you know, Like even since we've
been in business with camp Kirk Studios, we've done over
thirty six thousand photo.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Shoots at our studio.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
So everybody flows through there, so it becomes like a
big ecosystem. So I don't necessarily got people directly signed
to me like that anymore. But it's more like if
you hit me by anything, I could point you in
ten different directions of like what you need. So the
community of photographers in Atlanta and videographers, it's shit strong man.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
It's a lot of us out here and I'll.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
Take a lot of responsibility and make sure I give
them the game or what to do, because our industry
is truly changing. I would honestly say for the words
right now, but it's something they got to be up
on AI and the way people are consuming content now,
so people like a still image is not going to
stop that scroll and that's all people are doing now, right,

(13:58):
So they want to see a video and something's moving.
So when the whole world go to video and your
whole career is based off of taking a still photo.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
What you're gonna do now?

Speaker 7 (14:08):
Like you know, like you have to learn how to
adapt and move or redo.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Your art a certain type of way.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
Like I've been on a couple of commercial sets because
now work we do is more like big brands big
you know. So I was on the set just recently
for two days and it's gotta be a couple hundred thousand,
maybe million dollar production. It was not one photographer hired
on that set. And that is when I was like,
the game's changing.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Nobody even taking behind sees, nobody taking no photos, no folko,
I was a talent on it.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
So nobody taking the photo of me, none of that,
And I was like Wow. I was like, oh, this
this is real, you know what I mean? Like this
is changing. And we had a couple other projects we did.
We did a project for Sprite and Anthony Edwards and
even on that sets a twelve hour set and photography
had twenty minutes with them, And like, you know, I'm
starting to notice the pattern where it's like these cameras

(15:01):
are so good they can pull photos from the video.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
So basically, so it's like photographers are kind of like
cassette tapes.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
They on the way out the door if they don't
if something don't change, unfortunately, that's like you're going to
be selling art. Like you know, you still can't put
a video on your wall, so you know you might
have moved to art. Yeah yeah, but yeah yeah it's
on the way there too.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Can you see the list? Shit they got you walk play?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh yeah, I got one of the crew.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Now it's on the way. So think about all of that.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
It's impacting my direct industry. Billboards are moving now, it's
videos on billboards.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Y'all think that's like for like people attention.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
For sure, a lot of it's changing. So now like literally,
as a photographer, I try to remind him. It's like,
you can't follow my blueprint I did ten years ago.
It's different likes it's evolving. We have to evolve with it.
So it's scary. It's scary times for sure. For sure
for a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Because two part questions for you man, in this era
of photography, do you feel like you the goat?

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think that's a good question. I don't think.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
I never ever thought I was the goat from a
skill set or like a creativity perspective, I never really
looked at it like that.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
But from a business and.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
A branding perspective, Hell yeah, Like I always looked at
myself as like like the way like a master p
would say he understood business of music, you know what
I mean, Or like people that like change the game
from like a business perspective in that industry, they may
not have made your favorite song, but you can't deny
what they did from a business perspective. I think I've

(16:38):
always been into that party. So I never cared about
if you thought my work was the best. It was
more like the impact of my work, I know, stands
to test the time against anybody, you know what I mean.
And I think that's The thing I'm most proud about
is like my work and the name proceeds anything else.
Like there's people it was so funny. I had got

(16:58):
a DM one time. Somebody thought I took like it
was like a double Excel cover.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
In the nineties and it was like the cam Kirk
shoot that, and I'm like, how could I have shot that,
Like you know, I was just born. It's like, but
the name is so like.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Like they see something big in culture and they like
Cam Muskey. It's like that to me, It's like, yeah,
it's like the brand is that big where you think
you would even think, like that's not far fetch for
you to think I did that. And I think moments
like that like that happens a lot, even with like
a lot of early Gucci photos that they don't realize
I was there for another wave. It's like, but they

(17:36):
just assumed like he had to do that too, And
it's like, so I'm proud of that and now what
we're able to do with it and the ecosystem that's
building off of it, Like there's literally photographers and directors
are going to tell you I changed their life, like
or what I built is still changing their life.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Like the resources, So I'm happy about that.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
I'm happy to when even I'm moving around and I
see if photographer that's with an artist like they know
and it's like a connection there where they're like, oh man,
I look up to you and it's like, okay, bet
I know I inspired that interaction that you got going
on for you to know that it's possible. So I
think I'm really excited about that. So from that impact standpoint,

(18:17):
maybe not with the work, but just the overall brand,
I definitely think you can't leave me out of that conversation.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Like, for sure, who's some of the names you feel
like can be mentioned in your space at your level
of what you accomplished that you salute some of your company.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Man, the greatest photographer in my opinion, speaking from music,
it is Jonathan.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Maine, oh for hands down for sure.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
Like his portfolio gives me a headache sometimes looking at
it because I cannot believe that one man shot this
much album covers from the nineties to two thousands, Like
it's like it's wild you know that you shot every
jay Z album cover, every Little Wayne album cover. Geez
this like it's like it is it is mind boggling

(19:01):
to me of what those years of his life had
to have been and the creativity went into that. So
he's he's a goat, like to me, hands down when
I look at like even some of the newer guys,
like I love Az and I like the way that
he's approaching business with it, like now he's taking it,
making his platforms, making networks.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
He's popping off musicians like I think. I like impacts
like that means something to me.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
I don't care the creativity part, like that's a part
of it, But what's your work actually doing? Like how
is it impacting the world? And I look at a
a and you know that's my dog. I salute him.
I like Hajji films like Hajiji the video work, Yeah,
I seen that. So like to know where me and
Hajji came from, like we were both on the road together.

(19:49):
He was drums videographer. I was Metro's videographer to to
see you know, we both have taken it from there. Man,
I can't do nothing but salute that his creativity is
just genius, that he's just another level individual and he's
been able to maintain who he is and be himself
in these rooms.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I think that's dope.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
I like, like Cole Bennett, I just think that, you know,
I can't hate on what he's doing. It's like he's
building a he built the world, you know, and he's
doing festivals and taking it to Like I'm into that
part of what we're doing, like the interactive part.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, Like how is it translating to real life?

Speaker 7 (20:25):
I don't care what you posted on the internet on Instagram,
Like how is your brand translating to like real life?

Speaker 4 (20:32):
How many people can say your work change their life?

Speaker 7 (20:34):
So I'm into individuals like that, but on on a
local level like Zach Wolf, Motion Family, everybody, all those
guys and goats.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Like shoot and do the cameras.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all have a long history.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
I think he showed me and about y'all history. Yeah,
that's amazing, and like I'm into that. On the younger side,
I like John Cannon what he's doing with aage and
how it's not easy to maintain a relationship with an
artist for seven have a long He's been doing that,
so I always give him encouragement on that, Like, man,
you're making history just doing that, like you know, been

(21:12):
able to maintain that relationship. That means a lot, but
it's a lot of I love photography, so there's a
lot of people I can name for days, but uh,
I'm excited about the creators we got out there and
the legends like you mentioned, Like for sure.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Can you shoot somebody if you don't really care for
their music or their attitude.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
I can't do it if I don't care for their attitude,
not right now. And that's that's a privileged position that
I'm in to be able to be picky, you know
what I mean. And that's one of the reasons why
I did build like the photographers underneath me, Like I
passed a lot of work like if it ain't if
it ain't meaning nothing to me, I was like, yo,
go go knock that out for me right quick, because
the worst thing I want to do is show up

(21:51):
on set and resent or regret this moment. I don't
ever want to get into that. So I've had a
couple of shoots I turned down like that, ain't that
ain't really for me?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Like somebody else can do that. What will make something
not be for you?

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Just energy energy, like what that person truly stand for?
Like am I perpetuating something I.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Don't really get to.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
I don't choose sides, and you know, a lot of
the other ship that's happening because I felt like the
end of the day, my job is just take photos,
not to choose sides. But if you're an outsider and
you beefing with something in Atlanta, I won't. I won't
rock with you, like you know, Like I can't I
choose a side if I don't know you. So it's

(22:38):
been a couple of people that, like you done said
something about Metro or something publicly like I can't.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I can't do that. I can't come make a friend
with you now.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
We're already we already friends, and y'all fall out. I
won't choose side, like whatever the case may be. Yeah,
I'm not about to do that. So there's a few
people that that came across and I'm like, I can't.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
I'm not about to do that.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
That don't make sense for me, all right, that's yeah,
I got I gotta do that because these are real,
Like I build genuine relationships with the music. It's people
that have changed my life and put me in positions
I never imagine the being.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
So I have to have a loyalty to that I
got loyalty to.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Really, did anybody ever put a dollar in my pocket
on that come up because they don't have to?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Sure what shoot that you wish you can do over again?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Like you know how you can see see the effort
and be like, damn, I wish I could I would
have did this in this shit.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Oh man.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
I just think that I hope that I have the
opportunity to like redo my catalog with the artists at
the level that they at now. Like you know, so
if you go through my work, it's like, yeah, shot
a Megos, Yeah, I work with Metro, Yeah I work
with Future, Yeah, work all these guys.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
But my work is their origin stories. It's like their
come up.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
I ain't necessarily always get to come back now that
they are mega superstars where the money is in the room.
We could do every idea we thought about doing, Like
there's no restrictions to what we could do. So a
lot of it is like I don't have no regrets
about what I did. I think I did that the
best way I could have did it, Mistakes and all,

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but like I hope one day like it come back
full circle.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
You already got an idea. Yeah, hell y, I know
what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
Like I saw, I know what I do, but it's
like I hope that that opportunity presents itself organically though,
Like I'm also not somebody that forces anything, So like
I wanted to naturally the line where I get to
work with this person at this time. Like that's how
it is when I when I worked with Thug right
before you went to prison, it was a shoot for Giuseppe,

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like the high fashion brand. Like that is dope to
me because it's like we came from this and then
you know, when we came back together, this big fashion
house is paying both of us to do something big together.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
I want to to always kind of come back like that. Yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
M hm.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
So outside of photography, man let us into the life
of camp Kirk a little bit. What other type of
stuff for you? And golf obviously, Yeah, I golf. I've
been getting into golf. Uh, I need to get more
active with it. I gotta stay consistent with it because
that's just a sport, you know.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
You know, we gotta be y'all, y'all addicted to that
day every day, like range sleep the winner y'all play like,
I don't know if I love it like that, but
I enjoy the camaraderie. I enjoy being out there. I
enjoyed the escape, like yeah I did, I did, I
did invest I invest. I enjoy that part of it, uh,
And I enjoyed like the challenges that come with it,

(25:43):
like it really teach you patience and teach you discipline
and things like that. So I enjoyed that aspect of it.
But man, my life is simple. Man, I'm I don't
really consider what I do work. So I spent a
lot of time in my own world, you know what
I mean. I mean, so outside of that, like, my
life is pretty boring.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
I collect art, I'm into like interior design. Yeah, I
love that part of it, but it's like stuff like that. Man,
I want to travel some more and actually spread my
wings more.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
But other than that, like advice, I have a vice.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Like everybody else on Instagram too much, you know, like
just scrolling all damn days. Like that's probably one of
my biggest vices. And I think it sounds funny, but
I think it could be advice if you're too ambitious,
like I think sometimes I'm like too ambitious, like I

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think I could do anything, and like that is a
distraction for me at times because like I always want
to do something new or change something. So like like
I get down on myself sometimes because the way my
studio been running seven and a half years, it's no
reason I only got one local. Like I look at
myself like you were tripping. You should have been doubled

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up on that, but ahead.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Now I was gonna ask you, so do you think that.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
Or let me ask you this, Has your ambition ever
caused you to spread yourself too thin?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (27:18):
I started like four or five different companies, Like you know,
like you start doing too much, you know what I mean,
versus taking advantage of the opportunity that's right in front
of you. So that's something I've been like even with
my my my employees and my team is like scaling back.
It's like instead of scaling like horizontally. That's what I
think I did, is like I got one thing here,
now I'm building another one here. I'm building another one

(27:39):
here instead of just like you got one thing here
on top, like just keep building on top. And I
feel like that's something that I wish I would have
did a little differently, but it's still young. But also
Atlanta is like Atlanta like a comfortable couch. Man, You'll
get cozy in Atlanta and.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
You'll just be like, man, I got my thing running.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
I'm happy just being this in my world or walking
down the street and people know who I am, and
then you you forget how big the world is. So
even just the United States is like if this ship
works in Atlanta, it's gonna work in Houston, it's gonna
work in Memphis, It'll work in other places. So like
instead of just being so like fixed on what you

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got here, like double it up. So I think, like
that's gonna be something that people will see for me
in the next couple of years. It's like I get
back in that mode of like getting outside of Atlanta
more and doing more things and.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Just for everybody who y'all think on top of the
game right now.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Like rap music.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Right now, right now, right.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
Now today, anybody, not just Atlanta, it's anywhere. Man, that's
a good one.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
I say, I gotta definitely say why be definitely gotta
say gotta give gun A his props because he's doing
like a multitude of things and his.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Music is good. And I like what Cardi is doing.
I like what Carti's doing.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
She's taking over like car like both carties like Playboy
and Cardi B Like he's doing some shit that like
in a whole nother realm, but he still has like
the hood people, but he got the others like just
going berserk about him on some next level shit.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
And then I like what Cardi is doing because.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
Despite all the controversy, despite all of the extra curricular
shit she got going on, she's still making sure that
whenever she does get back focused on her music, she's
still incorporating her fans and still like counting in the
little people. And that's I feel like, what's going to
solidify her longevity for real. And I really fuck with

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that because she's showing people that, like, outside of everything,
she's a real person in real life and she cares
about making sure that the people that fuck with her
are covered and taking care of type shit.

Speaker 6 (30:13):
I love that for her.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Glow.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Yeah crazy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Her transformation was insane too, from even from the last
time she was sitting with us to now like she's
been she's been out of here for a long time.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
Yeah, I like that list. I definitely I gotta throw
Lotto in there. I think seeing her growth and what
she doing is amazing, Like you know, you maybe not
expect female artists had that many albums and roll outs
and different things, keep doing this for a long time
and being able to maintain her do it her own way.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think she's and.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
She's another person that takes the creative part of everything
that she has going on very seriously and she's attention focused.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Tod Sure, Hey what artist y'all think, like gracefully aged
the best over all this time from Alma, Like you
had to pick pick one orther like.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
She you know, that's kind of I ain't gonna say no, Brandon,
But Pluto is still like og and a legend with
a young nigga at the same time, he could still
resonate with the young and not calling you young. I'm
just saying he can still resonate with the young niggas
he said Jack, I.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
Say him, I kinda, I kinda, I kind of want
to like put Tip in there because he I feel
like he was like the ultimate young nigga and he
went and did his family thing. Now he's doing the
comedy shit. And then just this past Sunday, he was
out at the video shoot helping me direct traffic and shit,

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like you know what I'm saying, He's still He's still.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
There like in the mix, like and that's that's like
that's something.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Big real, Yeah, I got I gotta go the.

Speaker 7 (32:04):
Just seeing where I saw him start out as like
you know, it's unimaginable to see how big he is.
I just saw today he's wanted the headlines for Coachella,
and it's just like that is incredible to me, Like
used to.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's insane.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Used to come on the road with me and Scooter.

Speaker 7 (32:26):
It pushed me to the back seat of the car,
like you know, like somebody that just was around this mix.
I got crazy photos of him back then, and to
see him become not only his own men and then
his own boss and then take the music serious enough
to be able to do that, like I was with
him on his first tour with Travis in Metro, Like

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I remember the Pep talks of like yo, you gotta
a real show, gotta look like this and your stage
is on, and I remember the first time he crowds
her and just felt that that excitement. So for me
to see the growth, like you know, Like I was
in barbershops arguing about him, like you know, at twenty thirteen,

(33:09):
twenty fourteen, when obviously he was wearing the dress and
everybody was confused at what he was doing. I remember
being like, nah, he for real, like you know, because
him and Metro was just so tight. I used to
have unreleased music. I'll be like, man, he for real,
And I remember how hard of an argument that was.
So to see him now be, you know, quite frankly
one of the biggest artists in the world. It's quite

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incredible to me. I think that's as graceful as it gets.
And I'm excited for whatever next, you know, for the
journey for sure.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah what about Jeezus.

Speaker 8 (33:44):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you can't. You can't leave out snow.
You can't leave out snow. This nigga just got a
residency in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
That's incredible. Like I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
People that y'all know, I feel like they's like, like, uh,
you said, you said Pluto, you say Tip. I feel
like all them people still just you know what I'm saying,
still in the game, Like Jesus seemed like he at
the game, but still in the game. That makes sense
what I'm saying. You get what I'm saying. It's like
basically your time up. But it'll never go nowhere because

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you got a hardcore fan base. Like did y'all ever
go to one of them shows the orchestra Ship that
shouldn't change your mind?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Look crazy? They let you know, boy, it's church service, bro. Yeah,
he got them anthems show the.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Church served drop another mixtape.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
It may.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I don't know about new Ship, no dish, but I'm
saying that's just that, oh ship. Let you know, it
takes you right to that moment where you was at
like it's it's something you know what I'm saying, not
just I'm just saying, it's just something different.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
It's not a lot of artists that can do that.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
No, and get what he won them niggas promoters best
friend any nigga, you're getting a return on you were
getting your return on your money. A lot of ship
be up in there. Yeah he got a fair price.
It's still high, but you're getting your money. Man, you
make your money back. You gonna lose because they won't

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too much or these niggas ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, this is a question that no one can ever answer.
It's the last time I'm trying to answer. Ask you
if jay Z is the guy in New York and
he's the guy, and it's like by far as uncontested, right,
who is our guy?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
You know, we always say Pluto, but the nigga had
I had an argument with a nigga and they said, Bro,
you gotta think a.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Lot of these ship conformable about Gucci that won't say
it do.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Because that's not I'm just saying, who's our guy?

Speaker 8 (35:46):
I feel like I feel like I feel like if
we had to give credit to a nigga being our
Atlanta Lord and Savior, you gotta give it a walk.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
You got to like.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
But because he put more niggas on even even even
when he was in the position star he won all
the way.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Right in his in his career, should have God damn.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
DJs producers for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, that's just a different gonna give you a chance,
and he's gonna make you, make sure you believe in.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
You and you're the harder nobody with you.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
He's gonna call you and rip you up, that you
the hard Yeah, that you can anybody can kirk and
throw the biggest like he's just gonna it's a different, bro,
I got we gotta get that putting his own and
standing on.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Yeah, yeah, he's done another person that age gracefully you
put it. Sure, But I just like going to music part,
like going to that Jesus concert.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
But it's different, bro.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Even listening to the did y'all listen to the a
the uh they dropped it with the orchestra. Man didn't
listen to it.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I was just riding and one on one on the
way up here. So different.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
Yeah, And then he was saying for his for his
Vegas residency, he's gonna have a hundred piece orchestra.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Do you do y'all understand what that means? Like, do
you know how big that is?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Nigga, like that that's that's every stadium in the fucking.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
Instrument of instruments Like that's that's I can't even imagine
what that's gonna sound like.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Like, So how we get that back like that part
of it?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like I know we speak were speaking on like the
artists that mostly are y'all name you said, you said,
uh gonna Playboy Cardi and yeah, Cardi B.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And to me y b is a rock star, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
But he the black He ain't got like haw Cardy
got like just mostly white famine hy b the.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Why end save she don't give it? Damn what you say?
He got black people in the random moss peoples in
their mind. That's a different, like the it's different. So
I look at it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
It's like rock star shit, you know what I'm saying,
Because it's like you got default somebody like people that
can have the grown men like recite ins here.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
How did that come back?

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Like?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Who can bring that back? I don't know.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
I think I think just me personally, I really don't
have an answer for that. But I feel like it's
going to be difficult because a lot of these new
up and coming artists didn't have to they skip steps
that the older artists had to go through, so they
don't have the same respect for the process that these

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other artists had because they have the Internet. They have
the Instagrams and the tiktoks and all this other shit
that will shoot you out overnight. They didn't have to
hit the pavement and you know, do the guerrilla marketing
and all the rest of the other ship so it's
it's not going to register with them what you're gonna
need to do to be able to create as well

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as maintaining that longevity.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, like I feel like that's young, but I feel
like he's just getting started though, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
Yeah, he.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
But know what I'm saying, ten years in ten years,
you think about that, like even that part, like he's
developed the boy doing.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Two three hours for ship Man and for every word. Yes, yes,
that's something different.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
He's out of his top right now, like in real life,
and you can only imagine now that now that he's
been through all the ship that he's been through, you
know what I'm saying, hopefully, like he understands that, you know,
he has to leave that life behind and just completely
look forward.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Once he does that, man, he's his whole everything. Like
in five years.

Speaker 8 (39:57):
I can't wait to see where he he's going to
be in five years and how much bigger he's going
to be in how fucking more well rounded and well
seasoned of an artist he is, and what he's going
to be talking about. Like that's the fascination in the
excitement with the people that are out now, like seeing
their growth and seeing their change and seeing like did

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they understand how big they really and truly are for real?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Now? Yeah he changed some shit. Yeah, I hate to
put that pressure on him, but whatever he said, go,
oh god, I don't give a damn kids from goddamn
two years old to goddamn twenty he got them. Yeah,
fucked up and you know, we all fucked with it.
But I'm just saying, like he got them, folks, It's like,
I don't know, but it's something else.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
And then the.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
Good thing about him is that like off camera and
off stage, like he's not he's solid and he's respectable.
He understands, like appreciating the people that support him.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like he's like, he's man,
He's dope.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
How we getting down a bad though?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
You think you think slipping away for sure? I think
if Atlanta slip away, the whole rap game on slip.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
Away, I think, I think. But I think with Atlanta,
we got to look at Atlanta. Atlanta is evolving in
my opinion, like we might have lost a little edge
in music, but we gained an entertainment Like Cotsannat is
doing all of that stuff in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Like you know, Drew Ski, Desi Banks.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
It's like, I just feel like we gotta now take
a step back and look at all the things that
we influence and not just take credit for the music.
Even on the music side, it's like there's still not
another place that got as many relevant names that we got,
Like we still ain't lost it completely.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
But I was just talking about this the other day.
I do put a little bit of pressure.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
On like my class of individuals that made it, Like
if you kind of made it from twenty twelve, like
the ones that Gucci passed the torch to, we talk
about like what did we do? Like now we're supposed
to be the leaders, we're supposed to be having infrastructure
that makes that next gen.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Come even further. Right, half of them don't have labels.
Ain't real.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
See you ain't really putting the next person on, you
know what. They didn't build any infrastructure. Like I have
way less resources than everybody I work with. How do
I got a studio that I can say thirty six
thousand photographers and photo shoots came through, and y'all ain't
built for a recording studio. At least the next person
can come in there look on the wall and see

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your flat be like I want to record here, and
it's like I think that Atlanta. What I will say
is we just took for granted that magic and we
just felt like, man, we're gonna pop another artists tomorrow,
popping a dartist tomorrow. But you ask any artists that
pop right even to this day, they can't tell you
exactly what they did the pop Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
They don't know why.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
It's like, it's not like we created a for real formula.
We were supposed to take all that lessons we learned
from Senes people pop and build the real blueprint and
say this is how we're gonna continue to make sure
we pop. So now when the Internet and TikTok is
changing the game, we don't have that formula that we
used to to be able to do it. And I
do think, like, you know, more of my peers like yo,

(43:19):
y'all got that money, go buy something, Go do something
that keep the culture here. Like everybody crying over about
to lose Cheetah in another cultural place.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
But like we could have just bought real estate. I
think the formula was like cambaraderie.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I think the formula was that it seemed like everybody
was fuir like somebody coming out popping at least three
four big names gonna be like, yeah, he don want
en video stand with him.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Now that this shit's starting to look like it's ship spread,
like we covered them, nigga really don't like each other
all this shiit.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Niggas starting to.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Really see what going on in the city cause because
you gotta think people mother City want to model a
ship behind us, like man, we got ship, you know,
like them niggas right we go place niggas you say
that to like like manna lay together, but they don't
know that though.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
But I think that money got in the room, and
now it changed the way people move. So you know,
artists ain't performing for free. They coming out the gates
with one half of a song and one twenty third
like you know, they aren't doing what I watched young
Scooter when he had Colombia. I watched him do shows
for a thousand dollars fifteen hundred, go in to places
like whatever, like whatever, guy, I'm gonna go get it,

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I'm gonna perform. I'm gonna I watch the journey, you
know what I'm saying. I watch even a Metro go
to five different studio sessions in one day, like you know,
as they grind, and I just feel like it's it
ain't really there, Like that feeling ain't there. But then
I also just feel like that part of the blueprint
wasn't really passed down properly for them to know like,

(44:50):
oh no, you still gotta do this like your song
blown up on TikTok, but what that means like you
still gotta go and touch the people. And I feel
like that's just something that I think we got to
get back to, just that, like, you know, bringing that
back to the forefront.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
So let me ask you this before I go into
what I'm finna say, let me just make sure I'm correct,
like you shot again, right mm hm Okay. So that's
that's my whole point about this whole entire conversation about
like he's saying, the camaraderie, about everything being so organic,
about niggas popping up and supporting each other.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Like even though like I remember, I remember when.

Speaker 8 (45:27):
Y'all shot that, So it's like, even though it wasn't
like a huge, big budget crazy video or whatever. It
was probably one of the best videos for all of
those guys, yea, because it had it had so many
different twists and turns and so many like your eye.
Your eye really made the video because you showed so

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many different things in the video, and you showed them
being together and moving through this hallway and then going
to this part of this exhibiting, you know what I'm
saying this and that was like ship like that is
hard to recreate.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
When all of the elements aren't really there for sure.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
I mean that again, video was at an art exhibit
that I put together, right, so that takes like one
member and culture doing something big for Atlanta. And then,
like you said, the support exactly like Thug pulled up,
Metro pulled up, see no Sonny like organically. Yeah, that
was a time, you know what I mean. And now

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we just had to shoot the video.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Shoot the money niggas. Niggas get the money and lose
their creativity. Nobody was thinking about money.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
Nobody was in that room, like how much we It
was just like, yo, the vibe is right, like let's
do one forgot right quick, Let's shoot this video like
and it was just like like that energy I just
don't think exists per se because it's so much money.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Now the next person, like I should be getting paid
to shoot the video.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
Right, the energy was the fuel that propelled everybody to
the top for real, sure, for sure, and that now
that niggas are at.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
The top, it's kind of like it's not the same,
Like it's just not the same.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
It's not the same.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
And then even if the game changed, I just feel
like we should have built more things that are ours
that they can't just change the way Landa is going
to look like. And then it's like World Cup is
coming next year, it's gonna look different. They purposely are
making this spot look different. But what they can't kick
you out is the spot that you own, like if

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you own it and you're building it and you're keeping
that going. Like when I was coming up with Metro
and Thugnunt we used to be at Dark Studios. I
think Future own it now every day, like it was
like cultural hub for us that we headquarters.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Like I just maybe I'm out of it.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
I just don't know where some of those headquarters are
at where these magical moments are happy. It's like it
don't exist, So then it's like right now, if I'm
nineteen twenty and I'm trying to come up in music
and I got a little bit of talent, where do
I go?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
It ain't no more open mics and ship like that,
Like no nights for the kid to come do the ship,
do your thing? Like where you going with us? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (48:13):
All of them is still buy a product or some
some bullshit. Like I said, shit gets strange.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Studios with studios.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Win.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
They ready to come to the come to the goddamn
come to the over mic just to see it.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
A lot of that ship play a part too of
the temperature of the music though.

Speaker 7 (48:36):
But I feel like if these spots was owned by us,
they would have a respect for it, right Like I
feel like I feel.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Like when people come to the studio give the fun
vib d. You you never had an incident in one
of those, but I've never people coming You.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
Don't even but you don't even deal with the type
of people that we're not intertwining that ship.

Speaker 7 (48:59):
Yeah, I'm just saying like from the hood and the
people that come in there, when they come to my
spot and they know my position within the coach in Atlanta,
I feel like they come with at.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Least a level of respect involving. They're not immediately like
I'm about to smoking do whatever.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
It's like they at least even ask, like ya cool
if I smoke, and it's like, you know, like whatever,
stuff like that. I just feel like, if I don't
know the owner, I don't give a damn about this spot,
Like I'm about the trash it. But if this spot
is Metro and I looked up to him and I'm
trying to be the artist and this is his spot,
I might think twice about going crazy in it.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
But you've been my opinite. I think you like you know,
you know.

Speaker 7 (49:43):
You got to.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
I mean, you gotta protect the space. You gotta make
the space safe. You know you're right because when I
give you that said, we smoked care like at least asks.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
Have you ever had a situation like that where you
were working with two people that had a conflict of
interest and it may be unbeknownst to you, but you
were working with them around the same time and you
had to like figure out the movement so that they
wouldn't like bump heads.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
I never I don't believe I've had that one. But
I'm I'm also like somebody that I overthink things. I
think that so like if I'm gonna have someone at
my studio, I'm shutting the whole spot down, like we're
not even gonna I'm booking. If they say they wanted
from one to four, I'm telling my staff twelve.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Ain't gonna be. Nobody coming in. Just so happen, just
so happened.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
It's like we shut it down, locked the doors, close
the blinds, like we're in here.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I don't care. I don't care who you are, like
how big.

Speaker 7 (50:42):
If you an artist that you know, I'm gonna give
you that level of respect to not make to make
sure your experiences is what it needs to be, you
know what I mean. So I can't say that I've
had that particular situation, at least not inside of my space.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Something happened outside and we were by magic. I don't
know how that should happen.

Speaker 7 (51:01):
But now I'm cautious about that because I know that
they're still politics and.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
What I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Double book myself on something crazy or X y Z.
So you do, I'm with y'all. You do gotta think
about it.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
I just feel like people would have more respect if
they knew to own, like I just have Thiggs.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Don't even coming. Niggas will ask you who up there?

Speaker 7 (51:22):
Bro certain things like like they ever respect for Magic
City because they know mister Magic. Like I feel like
it's still at a certain level of like I ain't
about to clown all the way out, you know what
I mean, because this could impact my career in some
type of way. And again, I just feel like in
order to keep Atlanta going, we're gonna have to start

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buying up somewhere to real estate or buying a cultural place.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
So they can't just remove.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
They can't just wake up and say chee ain't gonna
be any more gone, Folly's gone, Like these spots that
we were really breaking.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Who your dream? Who you want to get in front
of your camera? You never had it from you nas
jay Z weekend. Uh we already got to shoot that. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
I mean, I'm a freestyle artist, So when I get
in the room, We're gonna feed off the energy.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I don't overthink nothing. It's like get in the room,
we're gonna just do it.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
But like I said before, I want to I want
to redo the catalog with the guys I came up with,
like I want to shoot Pluto again, like but the
right way. I want to shoot Gucci again the right way,
like you know, like real photo shoot, real budget. He
styled correctly, we got time. It's just us, Like I
want to recreate some of those moments again.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
So what's your most iconic photo? Though, oh, it.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
Probably depends on who you ask. It probably be one
of the first ones to picture Gucci with the gun
black and white. I think that's like I was in
Italy on the shoot for Nike and kids right up
to me and they they showed me that picture like
barely speak English, so like that is one that carried
me the furthest especially for everything he was able to
do with the trap Gud exhibit.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
And keeping that on going.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
But uh, the newer photos, like the photo I took
a YACHTI with the blue clouds behind the clouds behind them.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
That just sparked the change in my career.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
That was one of the first photo shoots I was
ever able to show I'm actually creative, like I'm not
just a documentarian, Like I can create, So that one
has a lot of like special meaning to me. And
then as it just evolves, it's like you know, I
shot a big boy in front of the Dungeon house.
Like that's crazy to me, Like it's it's some moments
that evolved, but those two really stand out as like

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one moments that are like really special to me.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Yea, yeah, So do you prefer studio or location shoots?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I didn't got I didnet got comfortable.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
I love being in my space, so it's cozy to
be I could control all the elements.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
I can control the viob. But recently I did do
a shoot.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
Even when I shot y B, we went outside for
a few of the shots and I was like, damn,
I kind of miss I missed this though, I miss
like like just really yeah, like I missed that aspect
of it. So I think it depends on who I'm
shooting and what I'm shooting for, Like certain type of artists.
I want to get a certain feel for a certain

(54:22):
vibe from the photo shoot. So it really just depends.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Okay, what about the the thing I came and did
with you the time? Wh Yeah, yeah, spend the block
it's like our community event. Yeah we do. We on
the belt Line now.

Speaker 7 (54:41):
So to spend the block event really started because, like
I said, my neighbors when I'm across the Magic It's
Magic City, Greyhound Prison and Martest Station.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
You know, you step.

Speaker 7 (54:53):
Outside this trash everywhere. It's literally it's all types of
stuff in that neighborhood. So it really started with like
me stepping outside of my studio and just been like,
why it's so dirty here? Like why don't nobody do nothing?
And I had my assistant at the time was really
into environmental science and she had a degree in that,
and she would put these things on my radar by

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being sustainable and taking care of the environment. And we
reached out to the City of Atlanta and was like, yo,
I think my street needs more trash cans because it
don't make sense that there's littered everywhere on the street.
But I look out of my building, there's no trash cans.
So what would you do if you don't care, You're
gonna just throw it on the ground. And it's so funny.

(55:36):
They came out and they drew excess all on the
street where we're at fifteen twenty different ones like oh, yeah,
you're right, trash cans should go here. One should be here,
one should be here. And then they literally sent me
a link to a website to buy the trash cans myself.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
They showed where you put them in.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
They showed you they're right here. Yeah, you proved to
put one right here, right there. And I'm like, I'm
just use, like, how is that my responsibility to do that?
But I ended up having to do it. I spent
twenty five thousand dollars to put blue and black trash
cans from Forsyth all the way up close to the
Bend Stadium. So if you drive down that street, every

(56:16):
trash can you see that's blue and black. I paid
for on my own pocket to put there. So then
that's why we did spend the block. Was like, all right,
now we got to actually use the trash can.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
So we go out to spend a block of van.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
We go out, we all get together creators, and we
walk a certain trail taking pictures of our neighborhood, but
then also collecting trash and then just cleaning it up
and then using the trash cans that we bought. So
that sparked from me just trying to be a better
leader for my community. And just like I don't understand
it ain't necessarily something that I'm every day passionate about,

(56:49):
Like sustainability ain't necessarily one of my pillars, but why not? Like,
if I'm gonna be in this neighborhood, in this community,
why not. I don't understand why it takes me to
do that and reason why we move. It's just like
you do all that and then nobody help you. It's
like nothing else came from it, and it's like, I'm
not I can't keep doing that every day. So now
that we're on the bell line, it's more about fitness

(57:11):
and just like you know, getting steps in as we
walk and we do the same thing, but instead of
cleaning up you kind of cleaning your body, just fitness
and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
What's your ask you, what's your thoughts on? Even though
you're not this type of photographer, but like popu Arrizzi,
is your thoughts? Like like the artists that be walking
out the hotels and then they get these shots and
they were like no pictures or are you on the
side of the photographer saying, man, if you're in front
of my camera, you're gonna get shot.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (57:35):
That stuff's crazy, Like I ain't never approached the game
like that, like, and I think that's why people trust me,
they respect me.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
It's like I'm not in it for that, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 7 (57:44):
But and it's stay and age is I'm talking to
you all about how the ways that photographers are able
to make money is decreasing. That's one way that ain't
going nowhere, you know what I mean, Like you out
in La them them photographers.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Are getting real money for that shot, like if you
catch this person there.

Speaker 7 (58:01):
So it's like from one perspective, I can't knock the hustle,
like you know, like, how else is he supposed to
make money. I don't make my money that type of way.
So it's never something that I would do or I
would think it's cool. Like I always knew that the
value of the relationship with the artists, I'm gonna make
more money off of that than I would that particular shot.

(58:22):
So even when I even if I take a picture
in the photo shoot and the artist is ready and
ain't know I'm taking it, I'm never just dropping that photo,
it's still gonna be like a level of like respect you.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Cool, it's the one you want. I give it to
you first. I'll let you put it out first, and
then I kind of follow up with it.

Speaker 7 (58:39):
So yeah, I don't necessarily respect that process of it,
but I understand that's the way photographers eat, and it's
definitely very tricky. It's funny because I was talking to
Tip one time about my work and I put all
my photos inside of the Trap City Cafe, so you're going,

(58:59):
there's all the work in there.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
But during that process of us hashing it out.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
Or talking, you know, we're going back and forth about
like if I should sell him the photos, if I'm
just gonna give it to him, and all this other stuff.
And I was telling him like, bro, I don't even
sell my work, like I don't sell my photos, and
he was like, why not, bro, why don't you sell it?
Like I was at this spot in some hotel and

(59:23):
they had pictures of Frank Sinatra or something for fifty
thousand dollars, and I was like, I said, now, think
about the world that I'm in, the people I got
to see every day. I said that Tip, you come
in my studio and there's a picture of your hats
on this wall with a twenty thousand dollars sign. I said,
you're gonna give me a call, ain't you. You're gonna
be like, what's up with that. He was like, hell yeah,
I said, so you see the dynamic. Other photographers can

(59:45):
probably get away with that because they don't have a tie.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
They're not tied into the culture to care what y'all
might think. They know the rules. Hey, by law, I
could do this. I own the work.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
Like this is on my camera, I own it.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
The copyright laws protect the photographer. I took the picture
of you, I own it. I can sell it, distribute it.
But I'm I'm not in that niggas. I'm not in
that world.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah, y'all gonna come pull up on me. It's like
I can't do that with my work.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
So thankfully I have these other ways to make money
off my work indirectly because y'all gonna be pissed off
if I started taking y'all work selling it for ten
Here go this picture of Gucci, he go twenty thousand
for this, And people offered me money like that all
the time. But I'm like, it don't make sense for
me to do that. That ain't really what it's made for.
So from that perspective, like I couldn't do that just

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because of my relationships.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
What's next for Kim Currs Studio?

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
And we're trying to expand other cities bring the magic
that we created here in Atlanta. Like I always been
trying to finish Atlanta, like I wanted like a full,
like finished product before I start duplicating it. And I
think the move to the bellline gave us the ability
to like duplicate it and now take it to a Houston,
take it to a Memphis or Charlotte, other areas like

(01:00:58):
that that are coming up, but still need resources that
we can provide. So that's really the next move's just
like I said earlier, just scaling vertically and not just
stretching myself wide.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
But that's the next the next move for me.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
But I also, like I want to get back into
music and helping because I do feel like I got
a lot to offer from like a music just my
perspective on how things can happen, the movements people need
to be making. So I hope to be able to,
you know, get my feet more planning on the music side,
helping with rollouts or just helping with whatever it is

(01:01:34):
they need, or supporting artists that I believe in, you
know more, because I do feel and it's missing something
and I know it just needs leadership in a direction
to help get it where it needs to go. And
I think I could definitely play a part in that
because I want to see it. I want to see
it back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I want to see it unified and killing in not
just one sector but all areas. You know, I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:01:59):
Hell yeah, Like I'm excited about it. And I think
a lot of things that happening, like what y'all are
doing in the media is big for Atlanta. People can't
keep saying we don't have media. It's like, yeah, it's
starting to exist here, you know what I mean. Now
you got to support it and amplify it, you know
what I mean. So I think we're slowly really although
we might be shrinking in certain aspects that we were

(01:02:21):
used to or comfortable with, we're expanding and these other
areas that I think we need to as just amplify
those other areas while this one getting right, Like while
this will get right, let's just amplify the fact that
this is happening here, this is happening here, and scale
those things up, and it's gonna be these platforms that's
gonna make the music get back where you need to go,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Right, just because the Atlanta fascions ain't winning. No mean
to sit them that ain't winning. Fact, there's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Ship going on in the motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Fashion week here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Yeah, they got one that they're trying to pop off,
but you gotta support it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
It's like everybody gotta now, you gotta support they gotta
amplify that one because it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Like we're some of the most fashionate people in the
world here in the South, so it makes sense.

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
But I just think that if we keep thinking like, oh,
because this one side is struggling a little bit, that's
all we made up, It's like we're gonna play into
the hands that they want.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
They want us to think like that, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
So culture is collective.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
It's collective, and like like how you mentioned again, like
that was a photography exhibit, one of the biggest.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
Yes, So it's like that it takes like them supporting
other facets, not just supporting the rappers, but supporting these
other things that make them go crazy. Like that interview
you just did, that's gonna be the biggest interview in
Atlanta ever, probably beyond Atlanta, Like that's gonna be that's
a cultural moment. That was the Shannon Shark Cat Williams moment,

(01:03:50):
you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah, really
when were getting out there camp.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Man, I can't wait. I'm rusty right now. I ain't
been out there on the golf.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
Course in like two weeks, two three weeks Friday, So
I need to get back out there for sure, for sure,
for sure?

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
What you your stream right now coming?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I told her first.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
I mean I would say what you think about what's
going on in Atlanta, like in terms of just I
know you ask me about the music or what's missing,
but what you think is missing?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
I think it's like I said, I think it's missing
the unification, like niggas just getting back together with each other,
but the niggas got people gotta understand.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Everybody's gonna forward there everybody, Yeah, and nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I feel like, Bro, the issue that even all these
interviews I've been doing, the people I've been, people I've
been here, the issue is nobody can accept another motherfucker
telling them they wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
That's the problem. Like we niggas ain't being me, and
people ain't being people, not even just me and women. Nobody,
nobody don't want.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
To accountability Yeah, it's like, but you're wrong with to
me or instead of sh we're both wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Yeah, niggas want to say you more wronger. That's the problem.
It's like nobody want to take their list.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I take my lip, but I feel like this, and
then you take your lick. Nobody don't want to take
their list.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
Everybody don't want to say, hey, I'm taking my lick.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
No, I'm gonna take my link and here, and you
gotta hear me out too, because some of this shit
be be a reaction.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
So I did this because I felt like this. Nobody
want to say how they felt. Everybody want to add
like ship, this is how I go.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
Everybody just really wants to shift the blame or.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Feel like this is how I go. My feelings on
the only thing that's valid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, because if you listen to all sides of everybody,
I don't give a fuck who it is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Everybody feelings are valid no matter who right and wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I can talk you on screen, get into it right,
and I'm so my perspectives is just so broadened that
I can understand where Jay coming from, and I can
understand where you came exactly understand. But Jay, you shouldn't
have probably said that like that. Now you don't tea
man you can't see him how to respond and stream
you know how she is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
You should have woo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I can tell both of y'all how y'all tripping, but
you don't want to hear how he tripping. He don't
want to hear how you tripping?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Because fuck that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
You shouldn't have tripped the ego when both of y'all
when it ain't really shit, you gotta think bro back
and I keep I hate to say back in the
day because we were up in the days. Now we
ain't back in the day no more. We hear he
used to be like Niggas will take their link. Niggas
be like shit all right, or just say with this.

(01:06:34):
I just don't fuck with that nigga. Nigg don't try
to make up a lie to convince like I ain't
gonna call Jay allow you to convince her to be
on my side when I tell her what I'm mad about.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
You know what I'm saying. I don't already fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Your character like you just a whole ass nigga lying
so she can feel me when I get ready to
say what I really feel you know what I'm saying.
I'm really mad at Cam kase he ain't shoot my
photo shoot when I was younger. But now I'm gonna
tell some lies on Cam to make him say, ain't
like a fuck nigga. But instead of saying, bro, I
just felt like the nigga shit on me when I
was young, Like we gotta go ow and beyond to

(01:07:06):
make a motherfucker believe us so that when the lives
and shit come.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
In, you gotta sat the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah, that's when the lives of shit come in. I
just feel like, man, niggas, if niggas just just was
men and people just people, people, just adults, like to
be like, shit, I ain't I'm wrong, nigga, don't fuck me.
Fuck you yeah, man, because I know I be wrong,
but I be standing on it because that's how I

(01:07:32):
feel I'm saying. But when I go back and listen
to it in hindsight, I be like, damn, I probably
would trip. And that's how I felt that day. But
instead of niggas saying that that's too too much of
a nigga being a pussy, so I can't say that.
So now I gotta make myself right by lying to myself,
in you, into everybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
It's really not respecting being human because all that everything
you talking about is just just being human and things
that come along with being um.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
The internet and all this, all this, I want to
be accepted. All that's gonna play the part into it.
Because I can talk to a nigga. We can turn
these cameras off and I can talk to a nigga
and nigga be like, man, I couldn't say that on camera,
this is how I really feel. But that's what represents you,
what you said on camera. And if you say how

(01:08:18):
you really feel, that would get that would be valid
because there's a lot of people feel how you feel.
Niggas just try to uphold an image that would never
be uphold because it's gonna always be something missing. And
when a motherfucker tell they real truth, and I'm my bad,
got damn taking off on that couldn't get When a
motherfucker tell what's really truth, you can feel the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
When a nigga be and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
You ain't convincing me, bro, you can say how long
you see how long in my face it just don't
feel right?

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Bro? You can say how long, however long I tell
you tell this lie. That just was a long ass
lie cause you gotta think.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
A nigga and yeah and and and no, bro, I'm
gonna say it's just like this straight up. You add me,
I don't like that. Nigga's just somebody. I don't know
what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I could be hating.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
No, no, I don't like it. I ain't finna go
into why that nigga by that? By that Ferrari man,
I wouldn't even bout that with my money. You just
turned to hater nothing everything you need to do wrong
because you don't like them, instead of just saying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Bro, I just that ain't my style of person. I
ain't gotta make up. They ain't gotta be no beef.
We ain't gotta try to figure it out. See that
what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
It can't be a disagreement without a beef. If we
got a disagreement or if I gotta check you now,
I gotta kill.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
You instead of agreeing and disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Yeah, that's why I can't. That's why on these platforms
and shit, I just let people say what they say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
I don't want to be the nigga to disagree with
you or call you got your name or none of
that shit, because I gotta be willing to do what
they take to do to you if you take it
a certain type of way. So I'm gonna let you
just say what you say, bro, and say how I
feel because you in front of me, and let it
be that. I ain't trying to bickle with no nigga
go back and forth because people take this image with everything.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Nigga, knock your head off because you you know what
I'm saying. You feel like how you feel about some
ship that they did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
It ain't even gotta be what they did. We just
have a different opinion on some people. Is at walls
about different of opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
And misinformation. She ain't got nothing to do nobody that, nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Mean, you'll be at one talking about what's going on
in the y. I say, I try this, ain't got
shit to do with me on you. But now like
I don't funk. Would that be a jade fuck her?
I'ma be on that because we disagreeing. It's that you like,
that's how you feel. That's how I feel, baby. I
love you though that damn nigga. Niggas can't do that.
No more niggas feel tried over everything everything. Make a nigga,

(01:10:40):
the nigga trying me everything.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
I need to be the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
But that I know that was a flawed mine. Every
niggas ain't trying you because they got their own mind right,
just straight up like you gotta because you gotta think.
You may not feel like that in that mument, but
it's been a lot of shit that I can sit
here and talk to you all about it. I be
then that wrong, like one of the interview did last well,
like erach that we gotta do it on because I

(01:11:06):
was then add wrong get an interview about a lot
of shit. But I thought about it, but I was
just in the mood. I woke up in the move
fun tell you fuck fuck this bitch too. Came to
Big Fact.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
On some bullshit. But a nigga know you're on some
bullshit and then stand on that bullshit. That'sh the bullshit.
Instead of just saying, hey, screen, let me hear that back.
He was like, shit, but you screen said it. Exaccer
use it realform, but you cheat that mother fucker or not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
No E, raise that ship, bro, I can admit that
instead of me letting it come out, let the world
see it and no, I don't feel like that. But
now I gotta stand on it because I'm a man.
I can't backpelle on my words when I can stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Now that you think that came from wisdom, where that
comes from? For you to have that vision, that just
came from me trying to be like less conflicts. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I don't want no conflict like like niggas is trying
to really change that couldn't change to make you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
A pussy, just make you think. You know what I'm saying.
It's like, do I really want to go to chainin
or die behind disagreeing with a nigga. No, yeah, nigga
ain't fuck me. Niggain't did it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
None of my people, niggain't did any of my kids,
nigga't did it. Any of my wife niggin't. Ben then
my dog, nobody in my family niggain't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
It's his talk.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
So now I'm ready to ride around. Lord up the stick,
get me a switch and all this and find.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
You behind me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
And you don't agree on something, that's the laman shit
in the world. Niggas Always when you ask a nigga,
what the root of they beef me. Niggas don't never
know because so much put the pussy shit lead up
to some real shit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
It could be some little puss sad disagreement men you got,
but it lead up to some real shit. Don't sit
up my mouth like fuck you old ad nigga, or
saw you and swung on you, or beat up your
little brother or something, now that it's real when it
wasn't nothing but words and disagreement, or we didn't like
each other, we fucked the same bitch or something something
so small that a nigga will lead that part out
cause it's too pettative. Even ain't like how did it

(01:12:58):
first start? Yeah, nobody can really tell you how nothing
first start because they embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
It just be the reaction.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
What starts like niggas make the reaction is what started.
Like just say Bencon like I said, man Jay arguing
about some bullshit. But she ain't gonna go report that
not her per se a person win gold, report that
we were just arguing about this. No, she's gonna tell
her true feelings how she feel about me, you know
what I'm saying, And that's gonna trigger me like that,
now how they did feel?

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Then I'm gonna say how I feel now now it's real.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Yep, that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
A lot of this ship don't even be buy nothing, brother, shit,
don't be nothing, brother, like for real because and like
I said, you sit down with anybody, the wrongest person
in the world, he gonna have a valid point because
that's the way he feels. Matter if he right or wrong,
you your feelings.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Are valid and he or she has a right to that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Yes, your feelings are valid, valid, bro. I think that's
what missing. Man. Niggas pride too big to even just
hear a person out, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
How you feel, bro, what I do and actually hear this,
cause this person could be taking a lot of shit
in the way he received it and you don't know
how he feel to be like, oh hell nah, bruh,
it wasn't like that, Bro, I was just fucking with
you another whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
It could be fixed, but that dash the what's missing,
The conversation is what's missing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
And the niggas in the middle them nigga need to
be shot down, just saying the niggas who stirring it
up knowing that it could be different, Like brother, look, man,
y'all nigga tripping, that's my first approach with anybody, no
matter who the I've been on their motherfucker the biggest
beef y'all think about from the future to drake anybody.
I'm telling both of them, niggas on group tell y'all tripping?

(01:14:47):
Fuck who don't respond?

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
I said it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
So how it go and go y'all tripp y'all need
to make too more money together. Nigga, y'all nigga tripping,
get on phone with you. I hear your point.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
It's valid.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, but could he feel like this you on pull
with you. Yeah, it's valid because he feel like this.
That's what makes it. It's like some you gotta kind
of cause niggas ain't gonna hear from you because you're
mad at you. So nigga in the middle gotta kind
of play double advocate instead of being there. If it's
a real nigga in the middle, right, Yeah, but you

(01:15:19):
can't be the nigga like here.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Yeah, but the instigators outweigh the people like yourself. The
instigators like to add fire to the flame.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
If you tell me some.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Shit that's true about Jay, I'm gonna to agree with you. Yeah,
because you know I saw that too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Jay is some.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Bullshit, And I'm gonna say, Jay, he made a valid point,
but you here some bullshit right here because he said
this and that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
I'm gonna deliver that to you just like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Me and you not mad a eta joke. So I'm
giving a fuck how you take the truth. Scream right
about what you said, cause you do be doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
You be doing that to me. You know what I'm saying.
They're trying to help a motherfucker get it. Niggas ain't
doing that. You feel like you are a leader in
Atlanta and that's your responsibility. Nah, hell no, I don't
want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
I will say this is the last two questions that
has heard from cam Kirk. You might already have one.
You need a podcast, bro, There's some good questions.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Man, he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Name mother fucking ship buss. But for the niggas that
I care about, I'm gonna make sure they know y'all
nigga tripping.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
I'm just saying, like from my from my I consider
it my generation like those artists were talking about, that's
obviously some of my going through some stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Who who do they look to for that type of
advice them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
They ain't looking to nobody because they are they ego
already cloud like, I got.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
None to listen to anybody. That's what I fear is
like now their energy is inspiring the next and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Unless that the nigga that brobly having come stations with
all these tell the nigga bro it ain't eve about.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Y'all need no more. Y'all need got y'all money. Y'all,
y'all gotta show these kids that, Okay, get.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
You some money, man, figure out life. Man, learn from
my mistake. Y'all got to show them that that's what y'all.
Y'all are leaders regards to what y'all y'all just put
a position to be leaders.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
We can't. We can't put on a clown show, you
know what I'm saying. And niggas ain't. Niggas will hear you,
but niggas don't want niggas to know that they heard you.
If that makes sense what I'm saying. It's an ego
pride thing. Niggas will hear you on the phone with them.
And that's why on broadcast say I just talked to
Shout and I did this. I did this and we
did that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Niggas will hear you and to try to apply it.
But like I said, Ego, go a long way. Nigga
be like shit first first sign and fuck me nigga,
fuck out, fuck fu just turn into that the Internet, Bro,
I don't know how life would have been like niggas
always like back in the day. Ship won't like that
ship want the streets went on the Internet, nigga, And
I'm telling how we would have been. We've been on

(01:17:41):
the Internet because you gotta you gotta think we're coming
to play with the Internet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Pride, get super coming and play like niggas. Bruh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Nigga would kill you. Knock him out on the Internet
like a nigga knocked out of the club. Go home, man,
put the ice on this ship, bro, kill them nigga
that we walked to add boy, you knock a nigga
aside and this ship recorded.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
He ready to go out bad back then because he
can't come back from it. This shit on the Internet.
They're slowing it down. They putting memes out your head.
But yeah, the Internet different. That is a different animal, bro,
And I think that she's put him to strutting it's.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
A different animal and it's a different drug.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Nobody don't want to go out bad on the internet.
That shit got the best memory ever. Sure, no, no,
that's real.

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
And I asked you that because I feel like somebody
like myself that's been around Atlanta for the last having
many years doing photography, I've been in these rooms. I've
seen every relationship, I know everything that's happening. I kind
of felt like that might be the next step for me,
is to let my voice be heard more because I

(01:18:48):
feel like, like how you were saying earlier, I do
have a lot of emotional intelligence.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
I'm always chilling. I'm like this and that, and I'm like,
maybe I'm not using my.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Voice more because I have a perspective on like what's
happening here, or what's happening here, or how that started,
how that's silly, and even just what I'm doing with
my studio, my business, like other things like y'all should
be thinking about doing because it don't cost that much
to do this, Like like Luchu was at my studio yesterday,
was doing the shoot. He asked me how much it
cost to get all this, and I'm just like, you

(01:19:19):
could do this you know what I mean this say nothing,
but a lot of it seems so big. And I'm like, man,
I might need to step in in certain ways with
like my peers and just maybe show them, like yo,
you could do that, like you could go get your
a spot on the bellline if that's what you want.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Like this how you do it? This is how they
gonna come at you.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
This is what you need because I don't want to
be just somebody saying And y'all ain't investing back in Atlanta.
And I do try to lead by example. That's usually
how it new though, Like my work is the example.
Like if I did it, y'all should know y'all could
do it. But I'm like, man, just hearing what you're
saying is true, Like a lot of people don't have
this wisdom. And I'm thankful for y'all platform and the

(01:19:56):
other one you got y'all voices and y'all are OG's
for real, But who else is gonna do that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
Niggas ain't niggas just afraid to spend that money.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
You gotta think bro broke, nigga worse nightmas to go
and back broke once something got some money, So now
all that shit sounds sounding tricky, like I gotta trust
another motherfucker all the way to put the money in.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Nah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
That just what it is, like, I don't really know
nothing about it, So I don't know nothing about building businesses.
You just got niggas like that. The only thing they
know they art, So that shit come along with your
team is who you trusting? Who gonna help you build
something outside of you know what I'm saying, rap or
or producing or whatever, media or whatever, like, who gonna
help who gonna You know what I'm saying, You just

(01:20:36):
was blessed with the knowledge of building a business, you know,
like you said, you just also a creator, but you're
building man first for sure. He niggas is all artists.
They just artists.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
Some of them get it, some of them don't. And
then a lot of niggas canre to fuck that money
up on some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I don't put you out there twelve to ten, twelve million,
five million, two million, one hundred thousand in a building.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
You don't wanna lose that ship. I can see that, nigga.
I got this on and just.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
You know what I'm saying, But it don't make it,
but it's the truth. Brother, comes where we come from.
You gotta think niggas is trying to buy shit to
make themselves happen. A lot of niggas ain't happen in
these spaces, bro, because you like the nigga Charles and
White always say some nigga caught up in that character, Bro,
like I could, I could come out right right now,
Bank and say something they say been as we came

(01:21:27):
out on big Facts instagat beefs right. We gotta live
by that. You gotta do that for our rest of
our career. That was one thing we said, Bro, nigga
leave here. They can speak on, they off, but we're
gonna try to find them a way to get back
with their people. We ain't trying to leave here and
get a catch a bye or die real, so that
ain't what we're doing. We said that from day one,

(01:21:48):
like we ain't trying to rib up no nigga shit.
It's easy for me to be right here, Bank, like
why you went out by Nia.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
It's easy to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
And make a nigga go crash out, all right. We
trying to get you to see it from a different bush,
all right, But niggas ain't doing that, bro. Everybody just
gotta do their part, do what they can as well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
I look at it. You know, we gotta step up.
I think I got to step up. I'm gonna do
a little bit more podcast coming soon.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
I'm stepping up to I just want to do it
off camera though, because I don't want to be the
nigga feel like I don't know everything. But I just
know God now, what's worth what's worth dying for? And
the words hain't that's a nigga in your face saying
that ship spending on you. That's different that disrespecting you
as a man. But nigga talking of his opinion about
you is himn like you? Like I seen when when

(01:22:38):
we put the interview out with the certain niggas saying
little ship okay, buddy, Yeah, you're entitled to your opinion.
I don't feel no type of way. I don't feel
no type of way, bro, I don't. I don't give
a fuck. It's not disrespect for me that you have
a different opinion of me. That's not disrespecting me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
We take that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
We take this ship so personal, bro, which I get it,
But that ship don't be about ship, bro, because at
the end of the day, niggas ain't known. You see
a nigg nigga trying dapt your hand. You just talking, Bud,
I supposed to throw all this away.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Leave?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Shall I leave my kid, leave my grandbaby, leave my
dog behind? A nigga talking?

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
You ain't finna do ship to me what you're talking
about even do a motherfucker plan. If you said to aggressive,
I'm I gotta ask you is that we that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Is this that? Or you troll ship?

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I won't take the intern that ship personal no more, Bro,
I used to a few years back. I take it personal.
You feel like how I get it? Where the niggas
at like, well her nigga trying me? They real lank
they but they ain't they're trying themself.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yeah, Kirk, we appreciate you pulling up, man.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
I thank you for having men appreciate time.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
We gotta get your voice out here, man. It's it's necessary,
It's necessary for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
I definitely want to start talking about more than photography,
like really like giving my opinion on what I've seen
and what I think need to happen, because I definitely think,
like I said, World Cup coming all odds on Atlanta.
I don't want them to see a different side, you
know what I mean, they already trying.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
To push us out. That's just the reality of what's happening.

Speaker 7 (01:24:16):
So it's like, we gotta have more places and more
things that tell people to do when they come to
Atlanta and just go to Magic.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I love magic, but.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
It's like I gotta be able to say more than
that eventually, you know, And we just need more spaces
that we own that they can't just take from us.
So that's something I'm kind of passionate about right now.
Just like, get you a space. It don't cost that much, right,
it ain't that deep. Get you a little home base
that you could at least go to and get out
the house, go do something, invite somebody over here and there,

(01:24:47):
like do something.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
But Niggas is doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
It's just not it's just for their people though, Like
cause you got to think Mike got his spot, you
got your spot yet nam Sonny.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
You know what I'm saying. Niggas is doing it. You
got the big new building, they got Pluto Tip.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Niggas got spaces, Savage got a big studio, But it's
just for their people to the public.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
It's just not over to the public. Yeah, like niggas
ain't open up a patchwork. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Or like this is a cultural studio. You know, you
might bump into such such an mofo. He got a room,
that's his building, but he let niggas record.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
You're right, just something like that, someone could feel inspired by. Man,
it's possible, you know what I mean. But you know,
due time, it all work out. Yeah, I think it
all figure itself out for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Appreciate bipod dot com.

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
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Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
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