BIG FACTS feat. CONVERTIBLE BURT

Miami legend Convertible Burt is in the building! He's sitting down to share his incredible story, from his rise in the streets to his time in prison, and what it was like filming his new documentary, Miami Kingpins. Don't miss this raw and real conversation.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big Bank, DJ Scream and Baby J with the number
one podcast in the streets, Big.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Facts line from Repose Studios and the Atail.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's time for that Big Facts, Big Bank? What up?

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Baby J? What up?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
DJ Scream?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm here Miami Street, Legend Convertible Bert is here today.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
What's up? What's up? What's up?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Right? Thank you for having me for sure.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Appreciate you pulling up?

Speaker 6 (00:24):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
What's up with you?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
How you been?

Speaker 5 (00:26):
And I'm great? Man? You know everything coming along? Man?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
You know, we got this Miami king pin going in
the right direction and doing numbers. You know what it's
saying that we're trying to get the numbers up, you know,
so we could take it to TV.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So that's on all streaming platforms, right, yeah, yep.

Speaker 6 (00:41):
So tell us a little bit more about that and
exactly what all it entails.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Well, it's a three it's a three series. It's three series, and.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's about me, Bo Dilley and Isaac the Great Isaac Higgs.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Nah Isaac Higgs.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
Okay, okay, okay, I'm not parts in my.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Bad Isac Higgs? I I I out of Miami Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
So uh and uh passe Pauls was his underboss, and
he's like telling the.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Story okay, you know for uh, for Isaac, and.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
You have both you know what I'm saying, and me, okay,
so it's a three it's a three series. You know
what I'm saying is on all platforms, on all the
platforms in six ninety nine. Then you get all three
of them. You can't beat that. And it's a good
it's a good it's a good view because it's got
history in them. You know, I really tell you about Miami,
and you know how Miami was back in the days, right,

(01:41):
what led you?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
What led you to the to the streets?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Because I was reading up like you you jumped in
the streets at a very very very young age, just
like elementary school, right, Like what was the first step?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know, so you know like it was a way
you know, like all the big boys, you know what
I'm saying, that was hustling at the time. That was
they will you know, you know, really looking out for them.
You know, you just tell them when the police come,
you know.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
You're a kid, they're not really gonna suspect you doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Like right, And that's what that was. The whole object
of it, and you know what I mean. And that's
how I got started.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know when I come home from school, I'm trying
to make a fresh for books. You know, I see
the police. You know, I let him know the police
coming and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Okay, yeah, but you know so I came up with
it every day. I ain't choose a game. The gang
chose me. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
And one of your first major like legal situations was
in high school.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Right, it's.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Kid.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, when I was a kid, you know, in school,
you know, and uh at the time, I was the
proms and athletes, so you know, you know what sport did.
I used to wressle. I'm a state champion, champion, regional champion,
and in the county champion.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
Yeah, so I used to wrassle was making tap out.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
You ain't making the tap out. I made that song.
I make him tap out? Right?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
How I feel to this day when you just hear
like your your name is so many rap songs.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's years and decades later, like from Rick Ross to
so many others, just always shine up.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
It's a blessing, man, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know, it's a blessing that you know, you know,
you know coming up as a kid, you know you
had a uh you know, you had you know, you
had effect on the culture, you know what I'm saying,
the hip hop culture.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
You know, you had you know, you know I was.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I was you know, back that back in the days
when rappers first came out, the hustlers really had the money,
you know what I'm saying, the drugs, so they meant it.
They style off that because we had all the jirror
and all that death, so you know, they kind of
member their style.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
So I was able, you know, I was.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I was a trendsetter, you know during that time, you
know what I mean. And I set the trend for
a whole lot of that stuff done.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
You know.

Speaker 8 (04:02):
So speaking of trends, Yeah, how did you get the
name convertible Birt?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Because I was always fashion with fascinated.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
With convertibles, you know what I'm saying. I had a
fish fish for convertibles, you know. So coming up, you know,
I always liked the convertibles, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (04:17):
So was it like on some ship, like every single
car that you had was a convertible, like most of them.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I had a fruit trucks that I had a Bronco
wasn't one convertible. Both of them was convertible. But you
know what I'm saying, I had a low ride of truck.
It was up field of fairst ticket. And I had
a low ride of truck that wasn't convertible. It was
only like trucks. I had a fruit truck.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Stuff.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
And what would you say.

Speaker 8 (04:40):
Was your most memorable piece of art or most memorable convertible?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Well, I had so many. I had a five sixty
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (04:50):
Uh back then, Yeah, five sixty sec cool, Okay.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
And I had a three dimension of paint on it.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
So I think that was that was They still talk
about that today, Okay, Okay, Yeah, it.

Speaker 7 (05:03):
Was all sitting there. What you think your legacy is
gonna be?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You know, I'm one of the I'm one of the
flu ones got out and turned it around, you know
what I'm saying. And uh, you know, you know, did
did right, you know, in the community. And I want,
you know, I really want to work everybody, you know,
really wake them up on economics, you know, black economics,
you know, and doing you know, you know, we got
a lot of black businesses that we need to support

(05:27):
it and we need to start. Are y'all familiar with
Oklahoma Black Wall script? Yeah, so we needed we I think,
you know, as the people, you know what I'm saying,
because already stick together except us.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Fact, so I think we need to.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I think we need to, you know, we need to
really start sticking together and respect, you know, and these
black businesses.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
You know what I'm saying, keep money circulating and reuniting.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
That same fact. I'm totally with that. Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, you know what I mean, because that's that's that's
the only thing holding back. Were sleeping giants and we
all wake up. It's a you know what I'm saying,
because we're the most strong people. Were the original people,
if you know your history, were the original kings and
queen so you know, you know, uh, you know a
lot of people don't know our history, you know, and
they don't know they were the original people.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
So we don't one, We don't one.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, everything comes from us, that's right, and we God chosen,
you know what I mean, We God chosen, you know,
that's right. Talk about talking about so you know, you know,
we we we we were very special people, you know
what I mean, and were blessed. You know, we just
don't know we're blessed. Well, we don't know.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
How to stick together.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
We ever learned how to stick together and respect inspect
one another's sisters and brothers. You know, we don't you
know we we we really do some great things. But
you know, uh, it's all started with cease of rosen.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
With the Lynch, Will Lynch showed him it'll be four
hundred years and it's still being a fact, it still lives,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
To a certain extent, instead of getting inspired, niggas, niggas thought, hey,
you know what I'm saying, like, damn, the nigga did it,
I can do it. Niggas feeling like fuck him right
that just you say that come from the slavery ship.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, because they that's where you That's where they that's
where that's where you come up with the field niggas
and in the house niggas.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know what I'm saying. The house niggas, they send
it the house niggas in the in.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
The in the bond, you know, or where they living
and uh and uh, you know they go out there
and tell they bring them back what's going on in
the field. That's how the vesta. That's why you got
feel niggas and you got house niggas. That's why that's
where that term came from.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
It used to be like a like semi cold and
honor monstive. When you think that ship like went left
at Remember, like in the streets, nigga usual to have
really really respect for each other other hustlers.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Just respect.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
It was an honor, you know what I'm saying. Where
do you think that ship wouldn't lift at?

Speaker 5 (07:59):
I think when left when you know, they locked up
a lot of the ogs, you know what I'm saying.
And they couldn't lead. You know, they went out here
to lead and they kind of got.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Out of hand.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
And and and when and when it went left, way left,
and we ain't really been able to get it to
the right. We ain't been able to get it to
the right because you know, they don't really know they
want to kill each other. You know, they get on
renegades by nothing. So you know, we got we kind
of got to educate them, you know, because a lot
of time, they don't really know. They just know what

(08:30):
they see, you know that and that Instagram and Internet
kind of like you know, you know, they live for
that and so they following the trends, but they don't
know in real life that ain't nothing.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
I think it's kind of hard to try to tell
a niggas someone the din' when and got his own money.
You know what I'm saying, because when I started getting
my own money, nigga didn't really tell me shit.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
I can hear it, yeah, but you know.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
What I'm saying, But nigga ain't you know what I'm saying.
I think that's what it is like when niggas figured
out if you tell a niggas, you tell the niggas
some good ship. But that shit sounds good. But I'm
a baby home, you know what I'm saying. To get
some money, that's all they want to hear.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Right, Yeah, you're right about that, but you got to
understand the gain no change and everybody telling you know,
it's so many people telling.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
You don't know who is who and what is what?
You know what I mean, so you know your your
chances it's very little.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, you could kind of like you know, you
get some some people, you know, they get through the crash,
but how many people get through the cracks?

Speaker 5 (09:28):
You know, it just amount of time.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It is planning on what level you're on too with that,
you know, but it's just amounter of time because you
got so many informs.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know that you got people that go across the world,
all across the country, you know, setting people up and
just what this is what they.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Do for a living.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
I think that ship that did just like the Street
Game part side of it just did some niggas, like
you said, slip through the crack, but it's mostly some
influencer online.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well you know that's the new hustle. Yeah, that's new,
that's new streets, that's the new screen. You know, you
got to create content now, you know what I'm saying.
And you got to find your platform that you know
that you could money tize and what you could get
you you come up with some revenue from it, you
know what I mean. So you know, you know, you know,
like like like the podcast and everything, you know what

(10:14):
I'm saying. You know, you see what they did with
the mother boy, they gave him a bag. So you know,
you just got to hustle a different way and see
one thing about the people. And this is what this
is what we're trying to do. This is exactly what
we're trying to do with this, uh this documentary. You
know what I'm saying. We put it out independently, so listen.
For that to work, we got to get numbers for

(10:36):
that to work, you know what I'm saying. So were
talking about doing TV. We were ready to go on
the TV mode and movie mode, but we.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Got to do numbers with this here.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
See this is like a what you call it's like
a teaser. So you know that if the people say, hey, man,
we want this or won't that? You know what I'm saying.
You know, it's our job to find out, you know
what what what the people want to fill a gap
and come up with some good, some dope content that
that they'll follow with because you gotta understand what this
with this internet thing, they'll scroll on you.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
So you got.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Y yeah, so you gotta you gotta, you gotta come
up with a campaign, man, and you got to come
up with a design play that that's.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Ye're gonna They're gonna hit the scrow.

Speaker 8 (11:26):
So let me ask you this just to like go
back and touch on something you were talking about about
the Black Wall Street, about the economics, the uniting.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
And the structure.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
For the people that are watching that aren't familiar with
or don't know, like exactly what that whole movement about.
Tell us everything that we need to know about the
Miami Boys or the Untouchables.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Okay, well, well well, uh uh the Miami Boys is
a uh, a group of guys that go in different
parts of the nation.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
You know what I'm saying, hustling, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
And uh, you know, and then because I remember hearing
stories about like when y'all came to Atlanta and you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this ship Mafio.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
So you know, you know we can't we can't, but
you know ship, you know, we did good. We did
good business with the with the guys out Atlanta. You know,
this like my home here and uh you know, uh,
that's why I'm here today, and that's why I'm doing
you know, I'm doing the projects. You know what I'm
saying that I'm about to, you know, put in film
and TV. You know, I'm doing the project.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
We see when we when we started shooting this TV series.
We're doing it in the Miami and Atlanta. It's gonna
be a split. We're gonna split. Were gonna shoot half
in Atlanta and half in Miami. And we're gonna give
them the real story because.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
You know that a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
They don't know, and we don't give them the real
story because you know we hey man, you know we're
the original original Miami Boys.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
So you know we're gonna give them the real story.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Man. And uh, you got to understand, you know, and
the no knocks on uh Bim Milk because you know,
Big Niets is a very personal friend of mine. That's
you know, family, So you know, I respect him and
I like what they're doing, you know what I'm saying.
But you know, if you let the record reflect, you know,
I ain't you know't I ain't talking with they'll tell
you you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
You know, Uh, you know, we we we came through here.
You know, we had it on locks before, you know,
before he came up, and we was doing it, you
know what I'm saying. But uh what Bim never was
able to do.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Man. They did some hysteric stuff and it's a classic.
What fifty doing over there with them? I hope them
brothers baby, you know uh out yeah, because you know,
you know, brothers could have a fight or misunderstanding, but
it take a real man to come to understanding.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
You know, I might don't like what you do, but
I got.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
To respect you as a man, and if you're a man,
like I'm a man, and we on man time, we
don't come to understanding.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
That's what men do, even through disagreement, right, even what
men do?

Speaker 8 (14:02):
Men do?

Speaker 5 (14:03):
You see what I'm saying because you yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Because you got your own mind, So I respect your mind.
I respect mine that ship and.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
You know what, that don't make That's just like if
you read a book.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You read the book, and I read the book, you're
gonna you're gonna tell a story the way you comprehended fact,
because your comprehension.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Might be high, your or we might have all different
perspectives right the way you yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah, but that don't make you telling it away. Yeah
you see.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Yeah, you know, Hey, let me ask you something.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, so you say so?

Speaker 7 (14:43):
So you say, is this is like a three part series?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Right?

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yes, it's a three part series. You know. The first time.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
They never been done in history and the reason why
we didn't. We're gonna spread them out. We're gonna go
right back to that attention span thing. So while we
got them, you know what I'm saying, we came out
with all three of them because it was gonna be
able to you know, it's gonna be kind of tough
for you to spread the space of out and still
had their attention.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
So its documentary style first, Yeah, yeah, documentary style.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
So do you ever think like to actually put characters
in places like you know how you can just sit
back and put the put the character in place and
act the whole ship out like you can act out
the whole ship.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, that's the next order business. You know, TV series.
You know what I'm saying, Like the Wild you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
You're bim mef. You know you want to you want
to come up with something.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Well, we're gonna tell the real street culture of Atlanta
and how you know what I'm saying, how you know
most black people in Atlanta this black Mecca. To be
real with you, you know what I'm saying, they got
a unique chance to do great things right because of
the racial you know, the racial rate. We got you

(15:50):
know what I mean, we more we got you know,
we got we got more black still than any any
any other state that I know.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
And more black and power.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
And most so this why, that's why, that's why I'm
trying to explain to y'all. You know, with them, but
even with the black people that's in power, a lot
of them they going just way here.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
They're not pulling together. You know, they got this, right,
he got a success, You got this, lady got a success, right,
But they ain't really you know, putting nothing together, putting.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
That power together to make it a bigger picture.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Niggas doesn't scart niggas though. It's kind of hard to
put the shit together when you on your way up.
You've been scarred so many times by niggas.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, but you know, you know, yeah, you're right, You're right, man,
you know what I'm saying. You know, but you know,
you know, through those experiences, you got to have a
good judge of character.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
You got to learn something from that.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
If you get burnt a couple of times, you know,
and at the end of the day, you know what
I'm saying, you.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Slipped the mother to make you stop stop goddamn stop
trusting your judgment, man, Yeah, for real, keep it really stop.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, you're right, you're right though, You're right because they do.
They do the most unthinkable things. What you're never thinking
they could be somebody exactly you heard you you heard,
you heard, you heard, uh uh the story about the
snake right when the guy got him out of.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Yeah, and just what he told me looking Christ.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
So that's what I'm trying to tell you. So now
you gotta see everything you do everyday life, everything you do.
You got to have character.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
A judgment. You gotta be able to judge your character. Period.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
But day now, y'all get what y'all saying. But the
day these niggas, these niggas and e bit you know
how to put on them for bro, that's believable.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Right, but nah, but no, but when I'm trying to
tell you, right, they're gonna always they're gonna always.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Give it to you. You just got to pay attention.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
You can't let him overwhelm you, let him overwhelm me
with with whatever they charm you.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Yeah, you right, right, you're right, you know what I'm saying.
But you got you got you once you hey man,
you're reading off of Q car. You don't seen it. Yeah,
so you know the questions that ask and then you
know when it ain't right.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
You know what I'm saying, and say, hey man, listen, man,
your service, no lead, no longer need it.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
But I think when we get into space to when
the motherfucker charmped us to disarm us, and once we disarmed,
we started looking over right, right.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
You know what, you got to stay on beat because
you got you can't miss a beat out here, man,
you your beat.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
So I'm saying, like, even if it's a regular life
or street life or whatever the case is, y'all never
had a situation where I would say someone had you
fool like you didn't think they would do that and
they did.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
It got over.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah, you know both sides. I don't been on both
sides of the barrass know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I'm so scared me out of it.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
But you gotta learn from it, you know what.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Just like whatever your Steve Mills or whatever your you
know what I'm saying, when you're putting down you know
what I'm saying, you got you.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Gotta learn from that too. But you know what I'm saying,
So you don't get got man, Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. So you know, you know, you know, it's
a lot of game out here.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Man, you got you gotta be game related, recordized, you
gotta be game related.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
It's a record game.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Though.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
When the niggas a being removed, I'm removed, count right
right right, So the new game, I really can't recognize
it like this.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
That what the game.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Don't never change, man, just the players. You might present
it in a different way because all this is is,
you know, every every error.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Have its own beat. Yeah, boy, every eerror have its
own beat.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Though the same ship.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
It's the same ship.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Game.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Don't change, just the players, so they might present it a.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Different More violations than ever though in the Yeah, yeah, yeah,
a lot.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
But you gotta understand. And the cold disrespeaking the game.
But you got to understand too, right, are the key
to you gotta be real careful with you man, you
know if you ain't with that, if I'm with the ship,
so yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Let's get that understand.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, I'm with it, you know what I'm saying. So
it's a little different with me because I ain't gonna
meet them there. I'm gonna beat him.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
There.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
What I'm just saying, you want to give money. You
always want to give.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
An individual the benefit of the die because you know
it ain't gonna work out good.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
But I don't even want to do the ship that
I do. I just I'm trying to take only I
can be with the ship.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, but I don't want to be Yeah, but that's
what I told God.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I ain't gonna be with you. But that's what I'm
trying to tell you. That's what I'm telling you. I
ain't with it, but I I get with it.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
How do you avoid the bullshit?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Though?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I see that ship one hundred miles away, man, I
stay away from a US man.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You tell me.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
You know, anytime somebody got something.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Negative and they got hate, hate, hate, bottom or something.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Like that, you gotta kind of like you got to
kind of like dish yourself from that.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
He ain't even gotta be hate on me, you hate
on another move like.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, because if he hate on him, you hate
on you.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
And speaking speaking of the hate, I was like doing
my research like before the interview or whatever, and I
heard you say somewhere that a lot of the times
and a lot of the situations that you've been in,
like from the different times that you've been shot, and
the different altercations and stuff that you had never came
from like any beef that you've had or any personal

(21:40):
one on one situations. It always came from like just
some hate or like female shit.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, yeah, but that's how that grow. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
You know, if you know, you see it was one
It was just just real talk and and you do
thet big fact come on with it.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
It was a whole era in in the world.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Well, if you want to talk about the world famous
convert of a bird, you really want to talk.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
Okay, I had a whole era, man, fly guy, Fly guy?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
You mean yeah, I do this ship effortsly man, I
don't even got to try to put this. And what
you think?

Speaker 7 (22:22):
What you think that brought them?

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah? What you know, brain hate? You know what I'm saying.
But you know, you know, you know I'm trained. You
know what I'm saying, I'm training to bring the gang,
so you know, I.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Don't have to some mix ups and it ain't always
go my weight, you know what I'm saying I ain't.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
I ain't the one to fight. But I put them up,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, i'mnna put up. You
know I put them up. You know I ain't want
them all. You know what I'm saying. If you if
you see somebody say they want them all, they ain't
really been through.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Nothing at fact.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
That ship for really undefeated?

Speaker 4 (22:57):
How the fuck you undefeated? It?

Speaker 7 (22:58):
You went in the street, Yeah, you went in the street.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah, coming up, you know, coming up. You know I
had to learn, you know what.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
We're trying to hang around the old nigga every other.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Dayigga, but you know you you got to learn. That's
how that comes. See that. But see that's different from
the way we came up and the way they come.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
Up now, Bunyon.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Right then and there like fighting the light up right,
and nigga don't care then about who you is or
who you are. Nigga Like back in the day, nigga
usually kind of respect you, like, you know what, I'm
gonna let him have it because this is who this is, right,
the nigg gonna make a name off your ad.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Okay, I'm the nigga that did that.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
That nigga you know what I'm saying, that ship crazy broe.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
It gives them, like you being somebody, gives them more
motivation to do something to your.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Crazy ship.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Different the game, like you said, the game don't change
and the player, the players is changing.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
You know what I'm saying. You know, they're just they
got a whole different man talent.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
They don't they ain't got d ain't standing on business,
dain't standing, they don't got they don't have no morals,
no principles of value or understanding about nothing.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
They understand the.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Zero how you think I'm saying. That's why I asked
early like what do you think that shifted that?

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Like, yeah, I'm telling you you know back when it when? When?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
When?

Speaker 5 (24:17):
When? When you know they started locking up.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
See, you got to understand when it fails hit the street,
they took a lot of big people. You got something
that survived here, but they took a lot of big people.
And you know what I'm saying, time for a long time.
And in that span, that's when it got out of hand.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Right, basically got sucked up in that gap right from what.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
If you if you look at it, if you look
at it, what I'm saying what I'm trying to explain
to you. If you look at it, it's the numbers
right there, that time frame.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
That's why it went bad. You know what I'm saying.
It went bad. And the bad thing we were never
able to guide them back.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
For them got them back because because most of you know,
they got bad schooling.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
They got bad schooling. The no schooling.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Yeah, no schooling is bad schooling.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
That's what I'm trying to tell you. So you know,
you know, they ain't had it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
They ain't had a real g like me or selling,
you know, to coach them up and tell them, hey,
you know that ain't a lot of them gonna lit.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I ain't gonna listen.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
But if you get one or two of them, listen
because you got to understand, you know, when you see it,
the fans play different.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
So you see doing just talking about that, Yeah, that's
a whole different ball game in the state, you know,
state tough time. That fair different because you see you
see you see you see guys go in and come out.
I don't see guys tell on somebody, get caught again,
tell on somebody and beat me out. About two or
three times I'm seeing that a couple of times. That's

(25:49):
what I'm trying to stay, you know what I'm saying.
So it's a whole different era.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Now you did twenty five, right.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Now, I did twenty. I had twenty. I had twenty
six years and ten months. I did twenty three ten,
twenty three years and ten months.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
They spos to throw parades for niggas like that.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
You know, now, see one thing about it, they ain't.
They ain't gonna respect the real.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, they ain't gonna respect the real too, tell because
you know one thing about the real you know, don't
they don't understand. They don't deal with so much fake
so they feed. That's just like you know a lot
of these dudes and power. They ain't gonna really give
a dude who can really be something, really make a
turn because.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
It's supposed to.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, like if I bring it, if I if I
see the nigga beside me, that's that the people that's
besides that's looking at both of us, gonna see that.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I ain't that right in facts right, so they always
feel thirt threatened about that fact. That fact right there,
they facts right there. It always give them a very
unsettled un you know, you know, unsettled feeling.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Especially when a nigga can see the nigga that they
trying to win over. They trying and went over your
presence win them.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Over, right, But you got to understand it. You know,
they gonna recognize the real, They gonna feel the real.
You know. You know, you can walk in the building
when you're real in there, say nothing and somebody real
gonna recognize. You got to understand the world is is
so it's made up with so much fake they don't
even know what's real real.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
And I will tell you another thing. The hardest thing
in the world is to keep it real.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Why you say that for a faith?

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, But you know why I say that, Yeah, because
it's so easy to be fake and it's so easy
to lie.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
But it's it's hard to tell the truth and to
be real.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
Yeah, I think it's hard.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
I think that's what I was just accepted.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Any nigga that's keeping it real, it's getting painted as
a sucker, a hater. Like if we come on them
up with a right now and say what we really
want to say, Like that's why kind of sensim shit
I want to say, but it's gonna come off as
why you're in the being a why you a hater?
But it's the truth, right, Like anytime you tell the
truth on the motherfucking look at.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
This, nigga always got something to say.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
You know what I'm saying to push you back in
a boat to even though it's dead ass true, Like
you come on your mother bucks and say the dead
ass truth, but nigganna look at it, it's hate.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
Yeah, Like I could go online and say this nigga
got on the hat, It's gonna be somebody saying, well, damn,
like what you why are you saying it like that?

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Or like what you're trying to say, Like does this
nigga not have on the hat like you?

Speaker 5 (28:28):
It's just not exactly, but see that you could you
could you know, anytime you go.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
In Instagram where you go on the internet, that happened
all day, you could you you could be talking.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
You could be saying, it's a scripture of Jesus. Just
what a you're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
They gonna stole You're telling the truth, nothing but the truth,
So help you God.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
You speaking facts? You know what I'm saying, but it's true,
made up on on fake that they'll go with the faith.
You know what I'm saying. See the people people like
pretty lies.

Speaker 10 (29:01):
Yeah, I'll be telling you, like when I talk about
Trump and ship like, no matter what he is, he's
still his true self.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
To me, I ain't gonna make it no Trump conversation.
But to me, I can respect a nigga that's showing
me fuck this, fuck that, fuck these people instead of
motherfucker that's bringing a representative that's tricking me. I can
deal with a whole whole.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
I deal with a woman that's a hole on the cover.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
I know this a whole. I know how I can.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I know how to guard my heart from this. I
own how to guard my heart from a whole saying
she ain't did nothing. Then I catch a bit, I'm
down ready to kill you.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Yeah. But you know, you know, it ain't too many
real ones out there now, So you get a real
you got a hold on to them now. It's hard
to get a real one now, a real woman. It's hard.
It's hard.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
What make you think it's so hard?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Because they put a lot of you know, a lot
of women that is polluted with with with what they
see and what they believe is supposed to be the
true essence of a woman.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
They don't really know how to be no one.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
They got on too much.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
They got they got, you know, they they got, not.

Speaker 11 (30:10):
Literally, but yeah, but they got they got. Yeah, it's
just everything they do a trend. They gonna get the
what did did whatever? But whatever woman do, did she
do it? And that make her happy. I'm with her,
but I'm just saying it ain't no real natural woman,
you know, just being who they is. Everybody made up what.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
You do and that's a trend.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Yeah, like the BBLS and all that. They're not. Hey, man,
I don't have no problem with them. They look good.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And what you think the ratio is though, like real
women think the ratio is. If you had to just
guess what's the ratio of real women.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
The percentage is very low. There was a real small percentage.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Huh, ten, five, three, twenty thirty.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
I'm just say by thirty percent thirty is good? All right?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Ain't that seized my number in my head?

Speaker 5 (30:58):
I was thirty.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
But they're not where we be at, right, it's one
hundred percent bullshit? Well we be but it's thirty percent
of them out there in the world. You get on
saying something.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
I'm saying, it's about thirty percent you can find, you
can find. I'm talking about in.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
The world, the whole world.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
It's about thirty percent the other seventy four you're about
to look out.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
What about real? What about real? What about real niggas?
Like we're saying the real it's hard.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
That's the hardest thing.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's thirty two.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Yeah, one percent, it's the new one percent.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's hard to be real, man, because you got you
got to understand they made up for where they see
n I G.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Everybody go over that.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
It's what status could change though, right man, Nigga get
mad at you for being real the day a nigga
nigga in the jail you think you come back to
the dome and tell nigga, Bro, I'm for trying to
get me to tell but I ain't doing this. Ship nigga.
Be like Nigga that you like you crazy, like you
better go home?

Speaker 6 (31:57):
What can it?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Can everything go full certain? At some point? Is it
gonna come back? And is that gonna be cool?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
That it's already not cool? But I'm saying the majority.
You know what I'm saying is what I'm.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Saying is already cool.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Give you yeah, but that's a new cool. That's what
they're doing. And trust me, man, I don't whatever they're
doing is they do what you do. I'm not your
way exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
That's why I'm trying to do what I do with
this TV thing, so I don't have to be in
the way that I ain't got to worry about the world.
Know what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying. It
ain't no secret, boy. Boy, this is a tough this
is a tough time, and it's a tough place.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Boy. This is everything tough right now.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
So you got you know, you know, you know them
little tools and fruits you got or you get or
whatever you get, you gotta make them work.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Boy. It's tight. So look, it's tight.

Speaker 8 (32:54):
I got someone want to ask you, right, So a
little birdie told me that's story that.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
One night.

Speaker 8 (33:05):
You and Mike Tyson were hanging out before his fight
and he was undefeated up until this point, but you
guys partied so hard that he lost this fight and.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Got beat up.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
No, that's not true. Mike could tell you that that's
not true.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
What happened with that?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Uh, that was just something they were saying, because you know,
when Mike was fighting, that's just something they said.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
You know, they got all kinds, they got something stirs
about me.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
You know, you had a whole.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, so they got them, and some of them I
don't even know. They be telling me this and that,
and then I said, yeah, okay, you know what I'm saying.
I don't remember, you know what I'm saying. But they'll
make them stories. Man, That's just what it is, you
know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, but hey man, you
got to let the people be who they be.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
But what.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Happened with that, I want to know.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, Mike was in China. Was matter of fact,
when Mike was fighting, I had just came off from
getting shot.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
I was in you know, I just got out of
the hospital. He was in China.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
I couldn't make that flight. Okay lost, Yeah, you are
the one loss, you know what I mean. So I
wasn't even up there, you know what I'm saying. I
was just getting out of the hospital.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
So they just putting you somewhere.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Just doing that my whole life to to you know
what I'm saying. They been doing that my whole life.
You know, I don't have no problem with it, you know,
but you don't know what thing about it.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
They ain't man, they stone Hey, they hey, they stone
Jesus and he ain't try to do nothing right.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
You know what I mean. He died, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
So you know that's what I'm trying to tell you. Yeah,
it's no matter what you do, man, you know, they're
gonna have somebody they're gonna disapprove or don't like you.
I woke up music because music was a little company
they every morning they gotta wake up and find it.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
I'm gonna say this though, I'm gonna say this. A
lot of niggas. You know, I had to realize this too.
A lot of the niggas don't comfrom hate. They come
from clout. Like to say, Vincent, if I got a
story about Vert right, that makes it seemed like I'm
important enough to know something about him. So they really
trying to vouch. At the same time, they stuff around
a nigga like, yeah, you know what I'm saying, but

(35:09):
really putting a.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
Lot on you.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
That all the time, you know what I'm saying, You know,
you know that's just where the world goes. That ald
ride in the world.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Better if I get you on the phone or I'll
be like then I hang up from you. Everybody in
the room.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
No, I just gotta fold you now.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
I gotta tell my watch stories that I know.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, lives.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'm gonna put a whole.

Speaker 7 (35:28):
Bunch of car that territory. The territory.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I got a party that he'd be a houses in
Miami's name, aeral in London, right that guy damn area. Man,
you tell me the funny dude, he say, Man, you
know what I'm saying. You got a lot of stay revelent.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, man, I got a part.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
In that area.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Man, got a lot of.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
Shout out to that boy.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Are aerial London? The house building?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
So you got who the who the goat from?

Speaker 6 (36:01):
Now?

Speaker 7 (36:01):
The Florida period?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Who the goat from?

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Flood?

Speaker 7 (36:04):
What you mean to go for whatever? Whatever?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
First when first came you here, when I said to go.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
To flood, Man, I have no idea, but I know
I'm somewhere up and the.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
Like who, well, who you look up to coming up?

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know I looked at you know it was you
know Ike, you know courts. You know what I'm saying,
boaring them all the more. You know, Rick and Sherman,
you know what I'm saying. The Twin you know, you
had a lot of you know Afric you know power,
You had a lot of hustle, Charlie Baby, you know,
had a lot of hustler, pimpcil players that I grew
up on the South and and and got a lot

(36:41):
of game from. So you know, uh, some of them,
Cali Cole, you know what I'm saying. Forget about it.
You know it's so many of them. Man, you know
what I'm saying. Kayke, you know what I'm saying. Forty six,
It's a whole lot of legends. Man, you know what
I'm saying, Like this seventies when I'm a kid, you know,
eighty coming up, you know, watching this ef you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
And you know they was they were some of the
best ever do it? You know what I mean? And
so I learned from I learned from a Jeane Wine
a level of hustle Jeane.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Wine, you know what I mean. And you know you
know a lot of them. You know, got got message
that in the day.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
You know, when you look at when you look at
rappers like which one of them is, like that's my
that's that's what we represent right now from yah wah,
like that's what we represent.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Ship Ross Ross right now cutting up man, I like
that new joint. Ross got uh for the money? Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Ross Man, You know, you
know what I'm saying. He a lyric and the genes.
You know what I'm saying that that that that that
last cut he did. You know, I did it for
the money. I come for the money.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
I really like that.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
So you listen to him and take you back to
them days like you can hear.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, yes, he just he's just very talented, right you know.
And I just said that. You know I said that,
you know, not just because.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
He's a hustler.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Many you got you got the game and made some
car wash.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
So the hustling, you deal with cars. It make great sense, right,
deal with cars. You know what I'm saying. They'll follow
they follow him. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Shout out to the slippery soap, Yeah, slippery slope.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
You know what I'm saying, Shout out the puff. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
You know all them boys, man, because you know, when
the people get you, they change their back. You know,
a lot of people turn it back on you. I'm
glad everything working out for you so far. I wish
you'd come home soon. You know, you know, you know
all them guys man, you know, because you know, this
is a wicked world, man, and they do a lot
of wicked.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Stuff, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And you got you know, if you don't really understand,
like you know, the puff situation, you don't really understand
where it all comes from and where it all stemmed from,
you'll think, you know that they got it for freaking
but that ain't.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
That ain't what they got him for.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
The breaking down right here.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
They got big fans well you know, you know, once
you start you know, filing suits on you know big
you know, uh, big companies, corporations. You know what I'm saying.
They got a way of you know, spending money and
making life mirsorsble for you. So that's the situation with him,
you know, and uh, you know, God got to be

(39:18):
with him because you know he was facing life. You know.
Now you know he got a chance to come home
no matter what the outcome come. But you know, they
said the guideline. See they don't know nothing about the guideline.
The guychieie right right, But the guideline say, you know,
they could give him twenty seven or they could run
it together. Uh, they could they could run it. They
could run it wild. So that that still give him

(39:39):
like close to you know, five years, you know what
I mean. But he'll be out right. But they could
run it together. Oh, they could get they could give
him ten for each child, you know, but his guideline
on call for.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
That, So I think, right, you know what I mean.
So the brother brother be on soon.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
They gonna drag him. You know what I was saying earlier.
Do you think the fans like they hate to lose?
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
Most of the time they go in there and come
out to the field.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
But when they got when can I tell you something?
The fairs don't never lose. When they had put for
one day, they wont when they had it for one day.
Don't nobody want to be in jail? Man, I ain't
no place for no human being, Max, I ain't listen man,
listen man, that.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Ain't no place for them for no human beings.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Man.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
You know what I mean, you know what I mean,
if I got a dog or something, I ain't ona
cage whatever. You know, it's just you know what I'm
saying that. But jail ain't no place for no human beings, man.
So you know that's why a lot of these guys
really don't know the inside of that there. You know
a lot of them be trying to find a way
that the break into jail. Man, you don't want to
do that.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
Break it.

Speaker 12 (40:45):
They trying to break out, trying to break in, and
they with money, they got rich all I'm rich man outside.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So you know, you
know we got to change.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
You gotta change that narrative man, when you get that money,
because I was speaking, I was speaking to some brothers to.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Day about that. You know, when you get that money, man,
you got to you got to, you gotta, you gotta,
you gotta. If you got to leave, you got to
leave the money.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Like the lead, you canna always come back, but different
around the environment that might have cost you your life,
will cast you to do a whole lot of time
in jail, or cast you a license in jail. You
know what I'm saying. So you gotta you know you
you you know these days here you can't make good choices.
You got to make great choices.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
They said it.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
You know when a kid, you you don't want a
kid to make a good choice, because a good choice
might don't be good enough if you make a great
when he got to, he made the best one, right, Yeah,
up up up in that whole nother.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
Sh So look, so look, it's two people that I
want to ask you about.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
One that you were incarcerated with, that you had a
chance to kind of bump shoulders with, that was similar
to your same legendary status.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
And then another one that from my.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
Understanding, you either were able to do business with or
that you encountered while you were doing your business before
you got lost. And that was Larry Hoover and Griseldbronco.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
But Larry Larry Whober Right, I met Larry who was
in Terry Hut and Timmy Timmy Bean was there at
the time. Yeah, the Oklahoma Obama, Yeah, the white dude.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
And what happened was in ninety five, nineteen ninety five,
I got caught in the ninety five riot.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
They had like a crack right in the fed and
I got caught in it, and they put me in
two year. They put me in a two year Yeah,
solitary for two years. Your two year lockdown program. Damn
and yeah, a two year lockdown program.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
So when I like after I almost complete, I had
probably about eighteen months in with it, right, and so
they had a step down program, and uh, step down program.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
You got to build trusted you got to do something,
you know, to get out in every hour whatever police
like near you near it, you got to check in.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
So at that time, Larry, who had just came from
the state, he was in the back where can't nobody
know you couldn't nobody see him. But I was taking
the cots back there, and he looked at me, and
I looked at him. Now, and now that's just what
I was just telling you about. Real, Yeah, real recognized, real, right,
you know.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
And you know, I hoping, I'm hoping in praying that
I see the brother one day so I could bring
that to his attention. And uh, you know, free Larry Hoover.
You know what I'm saying. He got his life together.
You know, he hit it in the right direction. Man.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
No, they just made some adjustments. To his ship recently.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh, you know the state,
the state, I think the state. I don't thank you
out yet.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
No, no, no, he's not. He's definitely not the state.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
The state. You know they're trying to do with the
state because something over there.

Speaker 7 (43:58):
But get him from out of like just just being
buried though, right right, right.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
But see the state, could you know, the state could
let him go, you know what I'm saying. He might
could get out of that there, you know, because he
got so much time in But when when the fedes
go ually, the state don't even want no more do
with you. Once they let the Feds come in. You
only you know, you'll do your time.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
This is how you really work.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
You'll do you you'll finish your time over there in
the FED. But he had like two hundred years. I
don't know what it is in the state, but you're
you will finish your time in the state. And when
you finish your time in the state, they'll turn you
over to the FED. But in this case, they turned
them over to the Fed.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
To the state. The state turned him over to the Fed.

Speaker 7 (44:36):
Oh the first time.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
This time, he'll that's what he is right now. But
the state wanted back. You only want the state get
through with you with you.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're saying they turned them over to
the state. I mean they turned them over to the FED.
The saying bring them back.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
No, okay, now okay, the state turned them over to
the FEDS. Right right, okay Trump?

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Right, So now he when you partnering, you know what,
I'm saying that you're done, You're done, so now listen.
But he still got that over there in the state.
That's why they didn't let him go, right right. So
now what I'm trying to explain to you, it's a
rare case. But the state want him back. They debating
on that.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
They want They say they didn't want him at first,
so they didn't seeing him.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
Oh so the governor had to let him out out
of the state.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
The president can't let you out of state. Now, he
don't let you to f Yeah, but I'm quite sure
you can reach out to touch him. You're the president,
you know, if he wanted really you know, but he
did his part. Were grateful for him what he did
for us, you know, so you know the you know,
God to work out the rest of him. You know
what I'm saying, because all you know, he almost there,
you know, right, yeah, you know what I'm saying. You know,
I believe in him. I believe he could make an impact.

(45:45):
And you know he you know, he had age now
where you know, you you know he I think he
about seventy. You know what I'm saying, he had.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Age now where you know, he wanted to live and
let live.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Man, you know, being in in the situation and the
confinement that he been in, and you know what I'm saying,
I'm quite sure you just want to be be with
his family.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
And live and let live and for the rest of yeah,
but for the brother. And I hope, you know, I
hope and pray that everything, you know, work out. You know.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
So what about Griselda, Well, you know, Michael coleone, you
know what I'm saying, Michael coleon is like like a
like a son.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Like he called me on you know, you like a
son to me. I talked to him the other day
and we talked. We talked about uh uh. We talked
about doing some stuff with his mother, you know, you know,
doing some TV stuff with his mother, you know.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
On the like story telling our story side and nah.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
We're gonna do something.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
We're gonna do something a whole little different because they
don't told his third they don't did a documentary, they
don't did it and time. So it's hard to get
the content out of there. But it's not hard to
get the content, you know, out of there with you know,
with his with with our son and we got we
we we we got a formula.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
You know, we are a former We're gonna.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Use with that.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
And I think it's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, you know what I'm saying, because you know, you
you can tell a stir a thousand ways, you know
what I'm.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Saying, and you can remix it.

Speaker 7 (47:11):
Time reading the book?

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Uh did you read in the books when you now? Yeah,
you know, I read fruit books when I was down,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
You know, But at the same time, that was part
that was part of high escape, you know, out of there,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
So now you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I don't get that much time to read, you know,
because I ain't had no time to really relax, you know,
like you know, running Caribbean on a Caribbean island, reading
a book, a romantic book.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah, Hey, let me ask you something did you when
you went in there? Was it something that what you
worked on that helped you be like a better person
when you got back out him, huh what you worked
on within?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
You like?

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Oh shit? You know, all the while, you know, I
was trying to figure out the movie thing, you know
what I'm saying. I was trying to do. You know,
I was trying to figure out that. That was my
plan all the while to do you know, the movies
and TVs. You know what I'm saying. So you know
that that was my that was my plan, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
You know, I know when I get out, Once I
got out, you know what I'm saying, there's no business
like show business. So you know, the only business for
me was be entertaining, you know, entertainment. So I want
I want to get into entertaining, and so you know,
you know, you know, I know in that entertainment world.
You know what I'm saying, there's no business like show business.
You know what I'm saying. So I wanted to do

(48:28):
the entertainment thing. So you know, cause you could, you could,
you could you can entertain and create so many different
ways like we're doing right now, we're doing the TV,
but we're gonna do the music too, and you know
we're gonna get up upcoming artists. You know what I'm saying,
the chance, you know what I'm saying, a chance to
do you know, to make history because you know, you
don't never know who the next great one is, so

(48:49):
you got to give them a chance, you know. So,
But moving forward, like like when we get to shooting
down here, we gonna use people like from here for estras,
you know what, right, Yeah, so you know you want
to also give people opportunities that they never had before.
So this is gonna be a unique opportunity for everybody,
you know, if we're winning. You know, when when once
we get to the box box office numbers and knowing

(49:10):
that we win and and the people you know, uh,
you know, you know, got a direction for us to
go in because they gonna tell like I said, they're
gonna tell you what they want.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Being in the being in there that long you said,
twenty three years. Yeah, I know you've seen the chain game,
like switch, like how the streets be out there and
keep switching, right, Like what was the switch in jail?

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Like gangs? Okay, it started you know that. You know that,
like right now, you know it all all you know,
state in and federal.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
You know it is gang everything, gang. You know what
I'm saying, everything gang gang. So you know that was
the biggest No. But that was in there when I
was in you know, when I was in there. But
I'm just saying it's even it's even crazy politics now yeah, yeah,
well you know it's deep.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
You know, it's it's real deep. You know what I
mean what I mean by that the gang thing, you know,
that's how that's how, you know, like the whole joint.
You know, everybody got cars. Everybody got you know, get different,
you know, gain related in one way.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
So you know he used to be state cars, right, Uh,
he's to be state called Georgia right right right now.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Georgia and Florida ride together in a certain situations.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Yeah, but now it's just straight colors.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
No. No, you know, you know you got different cars
like you got you might you might have a Florida car,
you might have a Georgia car, but in certain situation,
Floruda and Georgia might ride together, you know what I'm saying,
because then they would come aside, because you know, you
know d C. You know what I'm saying, really rule
the federal Yeah, the federal institution is really ruled by

(50:44):
d C. They got the most gangs, and but you
got Aaron Brothers, you got Chinese Marba, you got every
you got. You know what I'm saying. You got Mesican Mafia.
You got every game or every every every game. You
could think about every MARC Mafia, so you could think
about it now, you know, that's what they're end nothing for.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
You know, you can, like you content with your story,
like where you at today, if you had to do
it all over again, would you go through it that
way to be who you are?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Or would you pivot and take it another way?

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Well? Shit, you know what you know, Shit, I was
I played the hand. I was deaf. You know what
I'm saying. I don't have no regrets.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
You know, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
You know, I made the decision. You know what I'm saying.
I had to do the time. I did the time,
and I ain't right on nobody, you know what I'm saying.
You know, and whatever dude do is his business. You know.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
I just got a.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Different standards and different morals and principles, you know, and
I'm standing on business.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Over here, you know, say, I ain't you know, just
a lot of things. I just don't. You know, I
don't really have nothing to say about it. I just
do it the right way, you know. I just stay right. Yeah,
I try to stay to the right with it. Man.
I don't never go left, but I will if I
have to. But I stay to the right with it.
Shake about it. I ain't gonna think twice, you know

(52:02):
what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
He was one of the yards like that. Niggas can't
walk if they paperwork can't right.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
I was just I was just gonna say that, Oh
my god.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, A lot of them joints, you know, a lot
of them joints, they rocking like that. You know, if
you ain't your paperwork, paperwork ain't right, you know what
I'm saying, Big Sandy, all of them, all them dangers,
extremely dangerous.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Puizis man. You know you sometimes you know, you don't
make it out of there.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
So you know, by me having this conversation with you
you guys today and being this a truly blessing and
it's story and it is a part of history because
this is hysteric time, because we're doing something ain't never
been done before. We bringing out you know what I'm saying,
We bringing our documentaries. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
We brought through all them out in one time.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
And if you ride through the city, you got you
see bell boards of me through the city. So you know,
I went from a penitentiary bump to a bill board.
So that's real rare and that you know, that's history.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
It again, what I think it's.

Speaker 7 (53:03):
I think it's a big boy.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
That bucket of that right and right right across from
where I stay on these places.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Yeah, we hustling.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Yeah, I seen that's going to be used like three
four niggas on them.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, and we gotta got him throughout Atlanta. We gotta
throw on throughout Atlanta, man, you know because this is
my home for real. You know what I'm saying, This
is my home, you know what I mean. And this
is where I'm gonna reside at. So but we got
to get this money up, man, and uh get to
get to this TV this TV series, and you know,
we and put the city, get the city moving the
way it's supposed to be moved.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
We don't tell this.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
Side, you know, y'all doing independent right now, right, Yeah,
we independent.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
But if they come with a bag, you know what
I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. We were in business,
who who you're thinking? Who your ideal person?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
You don't want to work with?

Speaker 7 (53:51):
Like or or network like? Yeah, we can get that
ship with the folks.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
The one whoever got the bag? Who hold out of that?
Then whoever got the bag? Because they got to be
able to see the vision.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
You're you're you're you're not gonna invest your money in
something that you don't see. Uh you can see. Uh,
you got a vision or you believe in So you
know what I'm saying that. See, let me explain something
to you about those people. They go with them numbers.
You know, they don't care about what you say. They
don't care about what you say. They don't care what
you say, they don't get they go with the numbers man.

(54:26):
You know what I'm saying. She wanted women a lie,
men a lie, But numbers don't lie, you know what
I'm saying. So if you can count, they can't really
beat you. If you stay on top of your game,
and if you can put up numbers, you can put
up numbers. It's all about that. You know what I'm saying,
because it's the numbers game.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Man.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
You know what I'm saying, You on to win with numbers.
I don't care if you're on social media.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Whatever platform you you, whatever platform you on, you have
to do numbers to generate capital.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Are too money ties it? You have to generate numbers.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
But it happens.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
But it's rare that motherfucker see that ship from the
beginning and catch it feeling like I'm gonna take a.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
Chance on this like it happened though.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Now, But can I tell you something in life, and
I always remember this, Everybody go with the scene. Don't
nobody go do un scene. But the unseen is what
you got to worry about because you can't see it coming.
And so the numbers, right, you know what I'm saying.
We don't know what they're gonna be, but just say
they come back, they come back. You know what I'm saying.

(55:33):
We get a million or a million, million, five or
moving up, you know what I'm saying, or whatever, any
of them numbers like that five hundred thousand.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
You see what I'm saying. You know that they seeing numbers.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
You see what I'm saying. So That's That's what I'm saying.
This game here is based on a number game. All
this stuff, social media, everything is based on the number
of game.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
And the folks know if they did that with the
little resource they got it, we get a hold to
that ship.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
Right, we can take this shit the China.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
But see not only that there, you know we got
we got the content because you know this this hit
on go it go on and on. You know what
I'm saying, Because we're gonna write from here to here,
and we we ain't. We ain't gonna try to change
the culture of Atlanta. We're gonna write Atlanta culture when
we go to Miami, right, Miami culture.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Then we're gonna write how they converge together. You know,
they murdered together, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
So you know, you got to get the people the
real and you got to give us something they could
feel that they're no real.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
So you don't think you ready to write your life book? Yeah,
you're still creating it.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Nah, No, you know, we're getting ready to do the
book and everything.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, book about the life.
You know what I'm saying. You know, you know from
you know from a child, childhood, you know, it's to
read like that. You always want to start from the beginning,
you know what I'm saying. You know, you know you
want to start from the beginning because you want to
take them on that journey. You know, you got to understand,
it wasn't no walk, you know, it wasn't no walk.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
It was a limp through this. It was a limp,
you know.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You know, you know, for us to be here and
doing this podcast big facts, man, you know, it's a blessing,
you know what I mean, because.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, man, this is legendary.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I really appreciate you guys for having me man, and
you know I look forward to you know, coming back
through Man and you know, dropping it, dropping dropping them.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Numbers on you. You know what I'm saying, drop the
numbers on. I told you, yeah, you know, because it's great.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
You know what we're doing is it's great and historic
and you know what I'm saying, you learning about the culture,
you know what I'm saying. But you know, you know,
the next when we go to TV, were going on
the water with it and everything. But you know, they
you know, Sal and I mean a phar Cohn and
Willie all them. You know before that they.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
Used to smell it with speedboats. So we're gonna bring
all that the TV. We're gonna get to the ruin.
The true is we don't have to Yeah, you know
you won't have all that in there. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah, we're going to the water with it. Then we come,
we'll get ready to shoot on the land. We come,
we come to the aid. You know what I'm saying.
And like I said, yeah, listen, were here, so you
know we're feeling. You know what I'm saying. Were filming
you you already know what it is. We gotta find
somewhere you know, and incorporate. But we want we want,
we want them to tune in.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
But and like I said, we just.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Got to figure out a way how to keep it
interesting because we only got thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Can't wait together.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
I only got thirty seconds. So we gotta capture We
gotta capture that. We got to capture their attention at
thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
A lot of jewels today, man, But we get out.
I want you to get a street some game man
to get them whatever on your heart.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Yeah, whatever you're doing Keep doing it, man, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
If it's working for you, Man, But try to do right,
you know, and then wrong because you get futher in
life by doing right or wrong.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Always try to do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
But sometimes, man, different hands call for different you know,
different moves, you know, different plays. You know, sometimes you
have to move a little different because of the cars
you was play. You know what I'm saying. But always
try to play your best hand. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (59:09):
For your best man, Sometimes you gotta do like the
house builder, say what he say?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
What do you say that you?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, this time I come. Man, he'd be
so busy. I'm gonna try to bring him. You're talking
about the characters. Yeah, I gotta let him tell it. Man,
what you're talking about? If you want to do a
funny show, man, we're gonna bring her back. And hey man, listen, man,
you're telling me the funny guy. It's a funny guy. Man.

(59:35):
He dropping it within the joke. He dropping dropping it now.
And he don't been around. You know. You want the
more Bahamian boys that don't been around so he don't
see something. Yeah, we appreciate you coming through it.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Hey, man, I thank y'all for having me. Man.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I look forward you know, with the other projects I'm getting,
you know, we're getting ready to break. You know. I
look forward to coming back, you know, to collaborating with
y'all some kind of way and making it make sense.
You know, even if we have a if we do
a show, a last show on a on a TV
series or whatever we do, we're.

Speaker 7 (01:00:04):
Gonna rolled out. We locked in whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna come back. We don't, we won't.
We're gonna. We're gonna We're gonna spin back, double back back.
We're gonna spin back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
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