BIG FACTS feat. J BO (B.M.F.)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
BMF jbo is Here on ja ja jabo A long
time coming. We appreciate you pulling up on us. You
know what I'm saying to have this this conversation with us.
First off, how you feeling? You know what I mean?
We always like to check the energy. Yeah, I'm good,
I'm good, I'm ready to go, You're ready to go.
I feel it, I feel I feel Let's start all

(00:49):
the way from the beginning. Man, how did how did
you get tired in oh, the legendary movement, the iconic
movement BMF UM. Well, I had a friend of from
Saint Louis, so I used to run run with and shit,
you know, he's always bring me down here in the line.
He's like, man, you know you need to move down here,

(01:10):
and you know, go back home and do what you
do whatever. And so one day you know, I just
played the PlayStation and ship when I was you know,
back then, and uh, he just called like, man, I
got my homeboys down there from the DP. He's like, shit,
motherfuckers want to play you in the game. Like cool,
He's like, and they smoke weed. What how let's go,
you know what I'm saying. He took me over to

(01:31):
their career. They had a house in Decator, Uh walking
Like I said, I walked in the crib and man,
you know, you just you could just see it like
niggas everywhere, you know what I'm saying, nice house, smoke,
the house smoky, you know, a couple of chicks running
around and all that shit. So like he took me
and just I mean, a dude there, you know what

(01:52):
I'm saying. But I was like, man, that's cool, but
or the PlayStation there, you know what I'm saying, I
don't even think I'm trying to play the game with
me some money and smoke some weed. So I end
up playing one of his partners. Bye bye, I lost
eight hundred, you know what I'm saying. And and that's
how my first introduction, you know, to him. But I
didn't really talked to him then you know what I'm saying.

(02:13):
But that's how I first That's when I first met him.
You know what I'm saying. Time, why do you think
why do you think that? Uh, why do you why
do you think that it went so well for that movement,
meaning as in it became so successful, There was so
much money made, there was so much history made. Why
do you think that that movement was so successful as
opposed to a lot of other street movements. Um, you

(02:36):
know if you see those out back, then you you
you like Dann Niggas moved like you know, a cool
lad hood as militant type way. You know what I'm saying.
We had We had rules that was understood, you know
what I'm saying, and we followed them rules and and
ship we had a long lit run. So I would

(02:59):
say just about you know, not willing us willing to
take you know, you know, orders or commands or you know,
ideas from another guy, a group of guys that you know,
we really didn't didn't know, you know what I'm saying.
Because our crew, my side of the crew, uh was
was was like a Milton pot you know what I'm saying.

(03:20):
We had I'm an you know Brooklyn, St. Louis. We
all different types of la different types of guys around us.
Whereas to ask, no, t he had more Detroit, you
know on a few a few outside of Saint Louis,
gays and all that shit. But yeah, I just moving

(03:44):
like a militant, ready to take orders, execute them. And
you know, dude, we had to do and we had
a nice little run, you know for before the fall.
So I want to take it back just like a
little bit more like all the way back to the
very beginning, like growing up in Saint Louis, Like, what

(04:04):
was that like for you? Me? I was a little
guy to play sports. You know, football was my main sports.
Ship did you were like almost boarding wine pro? Right? Well,
not pro? I was. I was a highly recruited athlete
out of high schools in the hood. It was the hood. Yeah,
a lot of people don't go to college and ship,

(04:27):
but yeah, I was. I was. I was really nice
in football, man. So growing up for me was my
you know, to get through what the property that I
grew up in was playing sports. I wasn't thinking about
new drugs and ship like that. But you know, growing
up in Saint Louis, in the area where motherfuckers die
every other day and all that ship. As a kid,

(04:49):
you know what I'm saying, walking two miles to the
football practice and all that shit. That's how I coat
with my childhood growing up, playing football, running track, playing baseball.
I played softball when I got older. Okay, no, we
got a softball team for all drug gillers just before
the meat and you know I met them and Ship.
So I played in the Black World League. Uh it was.

(05:12):
It was a league were mostly blacks. You can have
probably like I think three nine blacks, or you could
be a white guy, Asian in it whatever on your team,
but most of the teams was all black and it
was very talented. So yeah, I played softball and on
the streets before I went to prison. I played all
through prison and I haven't played SHIP since I've been home,

(05:35):
but I think I was. But yeah, softball got me
through the you know, my older years, and Ship that
would all be doing so like usually like when you
hear about like niggas that were good at sports and
you know like turned to the streets or whatever, like
it was because they got hurt or you know, they
got injured and they weren't able to play sports anymore.

(05:56):
So was that your case or what was your actual
introduction to the streets. So out of um, you know,
some little young partners back then, right be I was
still in high school, but I was transitionally, you know,
trying to think about what college is going to go
to an honor ship, right And one of my partners
call us up to this high school and we went

(06:17):
up there in the nigga stole a course system out
of the su Suzuki jeeps the speakers that a ship.
So we go up there. He's still in the Dude
that call us up there to get the ship told him,
so they come, my my pots. My stepfather had passed
away and it was doing his you know, after the

(06:38):
repass and all this ship. We got the house, child,
I got the speakers set up in my basems bumping
the ship. I don't hook it up in the house. Um,
the police come there and ain't locked me up. So
make a long story short, I end up getting on papers.
And I didn't know the system. I didn't know that
you could be on probation and ship and and you
know you still go off to college. You know what
I'm saying. So right then, and there I knew. I

(07:00):
was like, man, I ain't gonna do this. My mom
passed away after that, my father and Ship, all right, man,
fuck this shit, I ain't gonna do that. I need
some paper. So I went over my one of my partners.
He's in the game, you know, in the game back
then he was. He was one of them guys that
was getting money. So I went up, went down to
the todayhood on the north Side and just going to

(07:20):
fuck around with I wasn't even going to ask them
for no work, you know, ship like that, But I
was just gonna kind of like being up being around,
you know what I'm saying, Like just trying to learn
how he moved and sh not know how he recovered
playing sports, to all the ways to graduated from high
school and this story. Trying to just hang around with
the hood niggas. I had to get around my brother,

(07:41):
and he showed me the way. You know, just watch,
I'm I'm gonna fast learning. So I brought up that
sit on the bid and Ship they up there. He
up there, him and him and his homeboy, wearing up
some weight, no houses on a triple being scared. You know,
he said, triple that shit old as fuck, you know,
from back then. But I just asked like, man, let
me get it. Let me let me get one of them.

(08:02):
You know what I'm saying. He threw me, threw me
houns I when I made the money and you know,
spent the money, you know, and I started ducking him
after that. You know, he caught up women like yeah,
well yeah yeah, but you know he he was like, man,
don't do that shit, bro, don't you ain't gotta do that.
You got a problem, just first of all, just try

(08:23):
to talk about it. Come hollow me or somebody or
whoever you owe. Just how I let him man and
get an understanding. Yeah, you know, and you know in
the streets, they give you, they give you a second
and maybe a third chance to try to make that
money back up some money. Yeah yeah. So so he
gave me a good tip talking of hustling, and he

(08:43):
gave him some more work, you know what I'm saying.
And that's kind of that's how I got introduced to drugs,
you know what I'm saying. And he said, story, beauty
from down From that point, I always want to ask
me shit like that, who being the type of situation
and so many niggas fold and ship. You know what
I'm saying. Which one of them niggas like shoted you

(09:05):
like you had you food, like the bigg disappointment, like
the nigga bitch on our case, Yeah, y'all case um
one on them it's blue, Um. Another one is e.
Now from a level you know which blue Blue devenure?

(09:28):
What Blue do shit? He didn't do what we did.
I thought they said one never no paperwork gonna blue man.
Let me. I'm finished fling this ship one more time.
Everybody know I'm a real nigga and I ain't gonna
lie about ship, none of that. Jab Ja just be
around us back then, and Jay, she know how I am. Um.

(09:49):
It was a situation where we was already locked up
on two thousand and ten. They came and got me
out of prison. I didn't know where I was, where
I was going. I don't know what it was for.
It was a wanted so of course you know you
gotta go ship. You already know motherfucker's custody. So they
flew me to Uh. I end up going to Uh.
What's that ship? Love Jordan? And yeah, I loved Jorge.

(10:15):
I know I've been learned um, so they they ain't
up getting It took about ten hours for me to
get to my pot. So I got to my pot.
It took to twelve minutes to tell me to pack
your ship back up and come back downstairs. You feel
to go to the hole. That's what I'm saying. What
the fuck I'm going to the hole for? They're like, well,

(10:37):
you got thirteen separates. You know, a separates it's somebody
that told on your case or on you. You know
what I'm saying, Like, you can't be around, separate, separateise,
they're gonna keep you separate. Is it basically like like
an absentee is somebody that's absent you gotta stay separate
from and and minute a microphone and the same jail.

(10:58):
They're gonna put that motherfucker away. Ain't on the side
of the jail. So he said A nigga's separate tea.
He guaranteed to be honest, he said something, but he
kept but not only I couldn't I couldn't be around.
I couldn't see him. So that's the whole key right there.
I couldn't see him, So they feel like you're gonna
intimidate him. Exactly. So I was like when they talked,

(11:19):
I got a guard, like, shit, is anybody in this part?
They're like, nah, why the funk I gotta go. You
can't see him. They told me this. I'm like, damn fuck.
So they put me the home. You know what I'm saying.
I end up going to court. Well, they wasn't even court.
It was some other ship they were trying to see.
If we want to tell them who like tribunal? I
probably yeah, yeah, so so he was the last person

(11:41):
I think I called on that case. So I try
some evidence. Well, they were just trying to see the motherfucker.
I want to tell, get you some time, cut and
get him, you know yeah, lock him in case he
goes all this ship before case you go to try
to go bring you witnesses in and your ass did
see if you see if you don't got damn good.
See if you read the phone like by you read it,
we got something you type when I made it up

(12:01):
to the Christmas when I made it upstairs, not a courtroom.
They walked me through to an office. When I'm watching
the office, all you know, like a longer table said
about twelve people and it's all da you know, ages
look like a parole here. Look I'm walking. I'm like, damn, like,
what's going on. They ain't mister Brown trying to be

(12:24):
all nice and sh ain't mister Brown. We just want
to see if you know, it's a rude thirty five
and all that. I said, rude thirty five, I said.
I said, no, it's it's a rule where you just
get some time. You know what it is it five way?
What is the five K one or some shit like that.
But the rude they're talking about, like a rudely rude
thirty five or rudy let it's something like they basically
asking you if you want to schnitz within their language exactly.

(12:47):
So when they started saying that, I'm shaking my head
and just hold on just all I said, sir, ma'am,
I'm sorry, but you know, y'all know type of person.
N y'all know y'all could have just add from that
while I was in prison, and I know what I'm saying.
So I said, yeah, I brought all way over here
to say this. Ship. I said, man, look I don't

(13:09):
I don't made my bed. I'm cool with that. I'm
ready to go lay back in my bed. And when
when they say that, like we're here taking my card on,
I don't want your cart, you know what I'm saying.
I like, just put me back in my cell. I
thought I was going to court and for what I
didn't know because i'm my cases. Oh you know what
I'm saying, Like and it was about that ship, you
know what I'm saying. So when I got back to

(13:29):
my to my my whole, I wasn't on disciplinary so
I can use the phone, you know, or the commissary
and shit, they just had me back to it because
of the separate ship. So couz O came through the
chip two, cus O and d Shot and I end
up telling cus Or what was going on. We got
a chance to go outside the wreck and I told
him what was going on. He's like, you already know

(13:51):
I ain't gotta worry about me and all that shit.
I know, I said, I know. I was just let
you know what. They won't because we ain't got no court,
no court. It's they're trying to see if you want
to tear type shit. They brought him through, flew them out.
D Shot come through wet to screamed through the through
the through the vik because they want to let us
talk to each other no more. So I told him
what it was. They took him the court, he went home.
They kept me back in their bitch about three weeks,

(14:12):
you know what I'm saying, until they finally came and
got me. So I called my home girl d out like,
look they trying to see tell Mars. They're trying to
see if a motherfucker I want to tell on On Woo.
And I was like, they got me in love Joy.
Now this was the seaport. Come here in there. She said,
you a love Joy. She said ship blue in love Joy.

(14:32):
I said, dr Blue, not in love Joy because it's blue,
was in love Joy. And he wasn't telling he would
be back here in the hole with meat and d
shot and hid because never came back there. So when
niggas say they need paperwork, I'm the paperwork. Yes, motherfucker know,
I ain't gonna sit there. And if I know the

(14:53):
rule in prison, if a motherfuckers said you hot, you
gotta produce paperwork, saying this nigga hot, well in this case,
when I ain't got no paperwork, I'm the paperwork. I know.
If the nigga wasn't telling he would be back there
with me. You see what I'm saying, like he wasn't
back there two others was Oh, so you're saying, he

(15:13):
finn tell on who They already told the nigga probably
already told oh whoever. You know what I'm saying, This
shit old, This is old, like this they just called.
They just called Bro, and we're trying to you know,
you say that, so you say, got there they already
They didn't get him mixed up like you belong with

(15:34):
the separate ease exactly, like soon as you come into Bro,
we already know what you do. He went back there
with me. So that's you're saying, like that's can't about
to tell you that. They can't. You can't tell me.
I don't give a fuck who it is. You can't
tell me that that nigga not doing what motherfuckers think

(15:54):
he doing. I know what he did. You know what
I'm saying, like, I know he told them that. The
fact I know he's talking about. Man, I ain't gonna
keep ship of coating that ship about that nigga. Man, Man,
that's crazy. How accurate is the BMV ship? Though? Like
the series, it's it's it's pretty pretty accurate. You know,

(16:15):
I can't really speak on a lot of a lot
of that. They weren't only detroited Ship, Yeah, because I
wasn't around the Detroit part. You gotta see when they
get to the city. Yeah, you know when they come
when whenever I meet up with Broke, which was probably
about I think ninety seven, I seen him ninety s
about store, fucking with him, like hanging with him ship.

(16:35):
I think probably about ninety seven somewhere around there. You know,
what was like the qualifications like for a nigga because
seeing like y'all just taking in that at it, I'm
gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep
it real. It's like back in our day, we were
like we really felt like he need got to be
the police. The way they nigga doing what the fuck

(16:58):
they doing every day. I'm just being real, like, coming
from the city, we've never seen that before. This shits
like it took them. Niggas caught their case and niggas
started being like, damn, you need to had had too
much of you get what I'm saying, Like in our mind,
like trying trap that's in trapped bit like who got

(17:21):
it go bout to break? You know what I'm saying,
did it do that? If you was on the outside
looking at how what you felt about that? Like, I
don't know it depending on how your mind said. You
just came to the Lanta though the blue y'all niggas
showing this money, throwing this money, throwing Nigga's bank roll
every night. Right, But but you know we probably did

(17:41):
that for a reason to lure motherfucker's in. But I'm saying,
but who who watching in Nigga's mind, Like in Nigga's mind,
who are already streaming games the street? Nigga is gonna
be checking you all, trying to street up to my twelve. Well,
you know when we first came through that twelve, I mean,
I don't know because I couldn't tell you. Damn, I

(18:02):
sink it later on, I sink it, But I don't.
I don't. I don't when we first threw up popping,
I like that, even when I when I started sucking
with Bro Bros already out out there doing that shit. Fact,
you know what I'm saying, they probably was watching, but
they definitely gonna watch the niggas coming there every night
and throw the money like that everybody. You go, Like

(18:26):
one thing about when you heard DM meth is like
soon as we heard it, street niggas heard it, strippers
heard it, the rats heard it, the police heard it.
Everybody heard that ship at the same time. Because it
was explosion. You know what I'm saying, Like, what what
you feel like when you sat when you sat in
the sale, you just like, what was like? Damn that
fucked up at you know that shit always run through

(18:48):
your mind. Yeah, even before the seals and ship, it
runs to your mind when you just you know, chilling
in the house. Yeah, I know what you're gonna say too, Yeah,
I know, it's like, hey, this ship. One of our
biggest fall down falls was the billboards. Shit, you feel
like that was just like putting their faith. Bro, Look

(19:10):
we you know, motherfucker, we're rocking right, We're doing what
we do. You gotta you supposed to keep a low
profile as possible, But at the same time, we was
trying to get our recollect out there, so you gotta,
you know, you gotta pop out. You gotta show everybody
that these niggas really doing music. And we was we had, dude,

(19:32):
you know we was doing me it was and you
know which one was second? The music that ship was
just a part of ballding. Well we were The music
was just a part of balls real shit. Bro. Bro
was really trying to transition over to a music executive. Yes,

(19:52):
okay label, like for real, you know we had we
was even after the billboard ship. I like, man, fuck
this music shit. You know what I'm saying. I'm telling him, Bro, Like, man,
I don't want to do this shit. This ship getting
a hot nigga. Jay Boy felt like the billboards was
like the Frank Lucas fir hat at the fight type shit.

(20:13):
He felt like that, like you see coming from the airport,
that big ass Yeah, one of the first niggas with
digital billboards, like the ship that like turns around and
like goes to different ship without having to change the

(20:34):
vinyl and all that shit. Like yeah, like they had
the whole old Social Death billboard. Yes, I think it
is time the most special billboard. Oh god, the digital
one was a little bit higher, but we had to
pay more money for the Social Death billboard because Jad
didn't want to give it up. M you say, you

(20:54):
say that, what else though, like if you know what
I'm saying, because at the end of the day, when
Nig got time to sit and think, you see all
this ship. So that was that was that was one.
That was a big one for me, you know, because
I you know, I like keeping a lot. I liked
keeping a low profile. But Bro got me bud, you know,
cause j I was at a low profile name. You

(21:16):
know what I'm saying, Like when I always with j
Bow listen, junior boss jo Jo Jo, I'm getting on.
Before I became Jabo, I was wrapped. That was just
you know, running and hanging with them, you know, hustling
a little bit through them. Um jotunate Jabo? Did Jabo

(21:38):
bring out an altar ego and you just be rid
like Bro Jbo, this ship. You didn't want to have
this ship go. But if if you ask anybody any
any any orders or any celebrity that no need. I've
always been the same. I never I never because we
had that power. I never abused it because I've been

(21:58):
I've been you know, broke rich broke. No, No, I
get what you saying. Ain't saying that part like I'm saying,
it would bring that in the Jable out of me.
It was the same, dude. It wasn't because I'm running
with Brony on that I'm super Jable. No, I get no, No,
I definitely get that he's saying is when when you

(22:20):
were forced into no no, no no. What I'm saying
is your niggas won drug do y'all. Nigga was stars
like that shit different from being a nigga that was
a dope boy and a nigga that's a star. You
know what I'm saying, Shit, y'allgare doing. Put y'all on
the level. It's stars like these niggas. It stars. This ship,
y'all gotta sucking. Um what is it? This ship is

(22:43):
one of the biggest UMM documentary that got like nine
thousand got them documentaries And you know what I'm saying.
So nigga was stars. So what do that do like?
Because coming from street fame to fame fame is different, right, Yeah,
it's definitely different. You know what. The feeling the feeling

(23:05):
I got from that ship was was was beautiful. Like
the ego I'm saying this, My ego was wasn't. I
wasn't like that. Tell you humble, but I'm I was
definitely a humble nigga exact. No, I know that we
all everybody know that like real shit though, No, there
ain't no cap on it like the nigga Like I said,
if I can get the jail, I can get some money.
That's how niggas felt. I'm just saying, like, yeah, I

(23:28):
think look at them hats, how them hat were broke
when you got Damn? Y y'all had them hat lean
like DJ Trump with him got Damn. When I can't
tell me wasn't feeling like bro it's him. He's saying
that on top of the world over what you're saying, Like,
I'm gonna tell you, like when I'm around my family, yeah,

(23:49):
I feel like I'm yeah exactly, but when we go
out in public, I'm humbled down because I know what.
I know what he feels like. Not to have that
power for sure too, you know what I'm saying, So
I wouldn't try to. I never try to abuse that power.
But if you fuck with me and I fuck with
you and we don't, you know, we rock together this

(24:11):
shit type shit, you know, But I never abused my
that that that feeling that you got transitioning from trapped
nigga to the trapper type. But I always, like I say,
I always just been the same nigga. Man. But every
now and then I let that little that little dog
come out, you know, and I give talk shit with
my audience, you know, you know the look the little

(24:32):
the little nephew. They talk that shit like you got
more you know, back then mold bitches in me or
your swaging like my ey shit out, I'm swagged out.
And you know I crushed you on on the other thing.
You know, so I'm married now. It's like I watched
with a second but yeah, I had them, you know
what I'm saying that That's why I used to used
to joke with with the youngster and shiit. I was like,

(24:53):
just talk shit, man, what's the weirdest shit you seeing
the nigga try to do that like the gang y'all
attention like, hey, look at me. I want to be
a mom um the word is and the dumbish ship was,
you know, the motherfucker try to walk through a crowd
of a hunting niggas and girls and you know, try

(25:13):
to talk to bro and dripping move niggas. Watch I'm
trying to get me you know. That's when you know
ship like that happened, and what would you feel the same? Yeah,
it was. The thing was from getting from the outside

(25:36):
of the crew to the to the That's where the
problems come here because we got soldiers. They're not gonna
let you just walk through here going on our niggas.
You know what I'm saying. Hold on, but what you're doing,
you're gonna get a thousand hold on. Yeah. Yeah, he
didn't be thinking I'd be tripping. Bro. You if you important, bro,

(25:57):
you think you're dripping to walk up on Joe Biden.
He's important. It gonna be like you said, gonna be
a thousand hold on like before you So I supposed
to be just standing somewhere. Nigga did right here right
you on me. You could have stopped being my motherfucking
nick that's the problem. Hold on, what the hold low
is it? Stop you guys to stop hold up what

(26:20):
you're doing? Why y'all let this nigga walked through her?
What's over? Y'all go through that? A deal with hold on, bro,
and he do this? Yeah. Other than that, everybody had fun.
We'll not get big. When you met me and you

(26:45):
got with him, and you guys got locked in and everything.
When it came to your actual position in the organization,
what exactly was your position and what was your role?
Because to me, I felt like you were more like
a human resurfaces human I'm sorry, like a human resources

(27:09):
like hospitality, because like Jabo was the one that like
dealt with the niggas, dealt with everybody that nobody felt
like dealing with. He was the one, you know, hey,
how you doing, you know whatever, whatever, blah blah blah,
you're good, like he was the he was the fucking
the layer next to the exactly the glue. Yeah, son,

(27:34):
just make sure I'm wrong. I'm just trying to make sure,
like a fact check, like make sure I'm right, like
in my like feelings, because that's like that's what I saw,
like for real, like music that held everybody together. So
my thing with broken a ride one day, we an't
got cool, you know what I'm saying. He had a
little situation at an apartment off of Linish role and

(27:58):
I think, like right doing is right there on the corner,
like Linux roll. It's a Linux rolling the highway, and uh,
I can't think by the by the but the hall
depost you get over. So he like, I was like, man,
you know I got a three bear own joint. I
heard alfaretta. Man, I just moved down here, y'all can
come staym type shit. You know. He's like, man, you

(28:20):
you know, we got a lot of people being around us. Bro,
Like like, Bro, I don't be here that much. Yeah,
just come on, you know, come on and stay and
all that. And that's how he end up standing in
my spot. But I used to like the command. So
we ride one day, I'm just gonna come straight to

(28:41):
the ship. We ride one day on the highway on
the way to the crib, come from the club, and
then him and I'm smoked. We're smoking. He had right
beyond this too. He like playing the music loud as
the motherfucker turn their motherfucker down, looking like what the doing?
Like we'll talk to you right with you know what
I'm saying, like what's up? Like, look check this out.
I say what I think you should you know, make

(29:06):
me your partner. Do you like what you mean? Like, Bro,
I want to be your right hand man. Like all
you gotta do, Bro, let me do everything, like I'm
gonna do everything you make you know, the real, real,
real big decisions. But everything else gonna come through me.
You know what I'm saying. I like, shit, you know,

(29:27):
I'm just throwing some numbs out there. Ain't gonna like actorship.
Like So, if he gets to me for fifteen or
sixteen or eighteen, I say, bro, you get it to
me the eighteen. You make your your few dollars, I say,
but look, I could bring about like twenty six, twenty seven.
You know, I'll bring about extra money, more than what
you're making, and a little we can split that when

(29:47):
we make what you're making and then make some make more.
You know what sounds like they me. Let me do that.
They men operate. You just chill, sit your back, go party, go,
pop pills, go, you know, funk with the digits, go,
you know, do whatever. Let me do the grind ship,
Let me do it. And then he looked at me
like I'm smoking. Look at me. He said, all right. Locked.

(30:14):
So that night I became his partner. Now he gott it,
introduced it to the shop, you know what I'm saying. So,
I don't know if we was in Miami, this was
a alpharettic. We was in Atlanta when we had this
discussion that night, but I don't know. We went to Miami.
We just saw Word in the house talking, you know everybody,

(30:35):
you know, Hi, everybody children smoking, and Ship. He's like, hey,
um j Bo is my partner. Now, like he's not
the exact words type shit, but he liked basically like
he's my partner. Um, We're gonna run Ship through him
with you know, everything is neat, but he's gonna take

(30:58):
over on you know what I'm saying. So and everybody
was cool with that, you know what I'm saying, Like
we her know, because they knew how the type of
nigga I was, and they knew they knew how men
bro met, you know what I'm saying. They knew at
the time when had had what that man him had
did before I met them, So he knew what type

(31:20):
of nigga was and they didn't have no problem with it.
And like I said, his our team was not just
all Detroit, a St. Louis people, you know what I'm saying,
It was a it was a melting pop or different states,
you know. So I didn't really get no backlash, you
know from Ship like that. Of course, you know, I

(31:41):
watching the books, so you know, shit, bro, dude, you're
gonna spend ten fifteen thousands for everybody. I'm like, hey, man,
hold up, you know we pay them this, that or whatever.
Let them spend a little bit on the self. We're
gonna stack you know what I'm saying. That's what they did,
like you coming to man fucking many, I'm paying everything

(32:05):
and type ship. We've been fifteen twenty thousand stores. You know,
I kind of like stopped at a little bit though.
That's the ship, the back lads type ship we was
getting because I was nigging them to use their money too,
you know, sometimes pay for their own ship accountable when

(32:25):
we've burned. We don't got apartments and cars. We got
ten fifteen cards, you know what I'm saying, And paying,
you know, paying their notes and ship. You know what,
it's like everything one cashed out, but we pay paying
their card notes and all that are we're doing all
that shit. Okay, y'all can pay for y'all own no groceries,
you know, a little ship. Well buy your own clothes, nigga,

(32:46):
you gotta pay, you know what I'm saying. And but
that's the thing they probably hated for me because I
was watching Man Meets Man Meet you know money Basically,
what's what's the obstacles or advantages you had, like just
being just like being rocked locked up, like being Jay Bow.
You know what I'm saying. Locked up? Yeah, when I

(33:08):
first got locked up, brother, I may ship me to Detroit.
When I first got locked up, the ship in Detroit,
I end up going on the fucking prison in Detroit.
But on the side they hold it on the the
federal it makes that's going to court. I can't think
of I can't think of that prison up. That motherfucker
didn't know me. I ain't know I want in jail.
I'm trying to figure this shit out. I'm in a

(33:29):
place I ain't in my city. I don't know under
the niggas. So I'm just really just figuring this shit out.
Like I said, I had that fast, I said, I
know niggas, you know, trying to go eat turning. I
get up all that. But with ship, well, I had
two tattoos, I think the BML tattoos back then. I
always had them because I didn't want niggas to be
Oh man, I know this, and Nick because I heard
about this spot. I went through like motherfucker try to

(33:51):
jump on your case type ship, like all right, all right,
So I just had my task man. But finally when
I finally left my tato on one day, oh man,
it's like fifteen niggas coming up to him like man,
I know Terry and Meat just that no and all that.
And I was like, okay, that's cool, but all right, no,
just brush them off type shit. Um. But I got

(34:12):
a lot of respect um in prison, especially when no
niggas fuck with me. You know what I'm saying. Like
I said, I want, I ain't no bragging type niggas,
none of that ship. So niggas respected how I was.
I moved like a Boston prison, but I gave everybody
that respect and they gave me mine. So I prison,

(34:34):
I ain't it. You know, niggas don't like going to jail.
But I was cool. I was ready to come home,
you know what I'm saying. But you got to weather
the storm and like I say, laying your bid, So
I laid in my bid. I just developed a routine,
you know, on the joint. But like while I was
locked up from the medium alway to the camp, I
ain't getting nhming but respect from everybody eating the CEOs

(34:57):
and NDE when in they came acout just in the
world period, like the main thing that stick out, Like
this ship different. How do you me personally? How do
you little young niggas move? They want moving like that?
You know back then, you know what I'm saying. How
they got like even down here, how they got they

(35:19):
got the fucking high ridges everywhere. You know all this shit.
It's just different than me. But when I come home
and like the young niggas, how the girls you know
this ship I seen when I went to Walt Mort, Man,
I seen just spandex everywhere. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm coming home on the Jorge Me. When you get home, bro,

(35:42):
these women they dressed different from when you went in.
I'm like, nah, man, I go to then they sent
me to some motherfucking halfway houses, like in three dollars
away from Saint Louis. So I had to go to
the wal Mort and you know, give me some clothes
and T shirts and two pasting all this ship and
I got home. Man, I tell you, Broy, motherfucker, I
don't give a fuck you White Asian black everybody had

(36:06):
on spani like damn, so that was you know the
look of how the women changed, you know what I'm saying,
how she had changed, like the properties and ship changed.
Um And I say, these young, these young, these young
brothers already they man, there's every day in my city, Bros.
Somebody getting killed every day and that motherfucker. Yeah, I

(36:29):
know it's everywhere, but you know we I hate saying
this ship like Saint Louis at the top of bodies,
you know what I'm saying, Like in the errors, I'm
being up there. I don't like being around like a
lot of shit, so I really see it, you know
what I'm saying. But you will run across it. If
you ride in them rors, you're gonna it's every day.
That shit different, bro, like with the with the young niggas.

(36:51):
The old heads don't chill doot. But yeah, that's that's
basically it. Man. You know the young generation right now,
these these these are the people that their fathers was
locked up, all mothers and mothers was locked up. Now
they've grown up. You know, we don't win there twelve fifteen,

(37:13):
seventeen years they were babies when we left. You know
what I'm saying. Some of the some of they they
they grown ups. They pierced as you say. They they
wasn't around nothing but the like the hood. These blutle niggas,
they rocked with their hood so and they little guns.

(37:33):
And that's basically what the change in my city. That's
what I've seen, that's what I witnessed. Well, y'all when
y'all uh, you know, doing the music question like why
why wasn't I guess ever we know this like affiliated,
or why wasn't Young Jeez like the official BMF artist?
Is that because him and Kink already had the ship moving.

(37:55):
How they had it? Well, Jeezy had you know, we
used the pump Jeez everywhere we you know, go all
the JJ we fas Jesus was like you was working
with us. It was at a point that where we
was we was gonna sound jeesy with us or whatever.
But I think Bro told Jeezy because he has something
locked on the door with Death. I think Death and

(38:18):
Bro like, no, go ahead and you know, do your
thing with them, and you know, just come back and
break us on board after us, you know what I'm saying.
So he wouldn't do this thing, and that's how he
started bumping another ship probably probably let that shit is hot.
Though you know what I'm saying, nigga, because that was
a nigga saying like like nigga hot, a nigga doing

(38:39):
too much, but he probably felt like that. I can't
say I nigga feel but like you know what I'm
saying to being one humma, like this executive decision, everybody
don't like it looked good, like that's it. Yeah, yeah,
I wish I could do that, but some nigga feel
like hell no, be a board. He just said he

(39:00):
nigga dreaming, but it wasn't even even feel like real shit.
I don't even feel like that came from him. I
feel like that came from the people that were around him.
That's everybody or everybody like with nothing up. No, That's
what I'm saying, But like that ship is unheard of, Jake. No,
I know every club and every every night, every car,

(39:23):
every nigga bitch by nigga tell her like a motherfuck
about that ship. He didn't. Eiga holes is turning to
somebody else for being like, fuck that I rather risk
this one night of my life did but the rest
of my life with you. But fuck you. The Volk said,
but you get your tee phone something. But you know,
you know, you know where that from. You get your

(39:45):
tephone something with the you know it's from that that
comes from um treating people right. Facts. You know what
I'm saying, Like I don't give a fuck. It was
a home fact. All the way to the to the
to the valet parking people. We treated everybody right. That's

(40:05):
how we got to the point like you know, you
and the club, you can't smoke, but shit, we're gonna
till you five grand go ahead us not Houston with
the Justice and Justice. And that was the routine, like
we go to the wake up, go to the mall,
Justice and dress up. Shit man that will pump shit

(40:26):
dress up. We would know. We would go to the
We would wake up, go to the mall, go to Justics,
eat dinner, go to the club. Solomon will open Justice
back up, took us breakfast, We go home and go
to sleep, wake up, like three, go back to the mall,
back to the club, back to Justice, back to the club,
back to the mall, back to Justice. That was every
day for like four or five years, like every It
was the first motherfucker's to rock, just T shirts and justice.

(40:49):
Ye dress got a dress call. We go through eighty
niggas and women's come through that motherfucker straight to the
back in the kitchen the bar. I'm gonna keep it reding, bron.
That's what we was trapped, you know, doing we do
back in them day. Niggas couldn't believe it like a
nil come to the hood like Browns' side in the
clubs from new niggas around being mile them niggas they

(41:11):
doing like the ship. The nigga was saying, you'd be
like you lying, you lying, niggas was going to the
club deep to see what be niggas do. Is you
lying and they ain't gonna let you down. Nigga doing
this shit. So then you know niggas with pestimistic thoughts
and petremist hood hood mind, but it's something up with

(41:34):
that you ain't finished up that for. That's what that is.
How if you've never seen something, when you don't understand something,
you you be critical of it, right, Yeah, when you
first see some shiitt and you don't understand, you be
critical of it. Like man, hell no, I'm NEI gotta
the twel but I'm nigga doing that shit anyone, No twelve,
They just moved militant man like bro bro t and

(41:56):
meet man like I say, man them, dude, Bro, just
if you just sit down the high conversation with you
know what I'm saying, you're gonna block down these niggas
on some other ship. You think that when the Brothers
fell out though, they took that ship left. Now it's
already it was already head and left when that happened,
like you know, ship was just happening, you know, ship

(42:17):
what a couple people getting locked up here in there.
That type of shit happened, you know, but you were
not ahead. I'm just saying it wasn't it eventually before
you know, you know that ship with the fallout type ship.

(42:37):
But I hated the fall out, you know what I'm saying,
hit the brakes. Hey, yeah, we weren't getting what we're
supposed to get, you know, so I let bro know, like, look, bro,
our people don't never call about ship, not you know,
coming back right type shit. You know, um, because we

(43:00):
we strictly you get it from here, they get us,
they get it them, not we get it from them.
We chop it up and then they get us and
then we give it the Nah. I like getting my
ship row. Bro's on the same page. That's why I
like fucking bro. T was a good nigga. He did
this thing too, but I like fucking with T too.

(43:20):
But at that time, you know, it was it was Yeah,
so we had to make a decision to stop running
you know through broke through T and run start directly
through the plug. Yeah. So that's that was one of
the things that we did. And it was a sitting right.

(43:44):
We broke with T when he when he basically figured
it out because money wasn't coming to him at that time.
You know, our money was gone. You know, we might
shoot a little bit that way, but the boat was
going somewhere else, all right, Yeah, I mean, yeah, we
you know, we were gonna. Yeah. I can't love death.
I can't. It just it just it feels funny for

(44:08):
me to even say from back then to say right now,
like fuck teeth. But yeah, yeah, yeah, we were I'm
saying when I say fucking like we've been going over there,
it's family. But yeah, come on, you got out and
wet now. So we got we got, we got right,
and you know that's when I was really being me

(44:30):
and we were doing what we had to do, you know,
So do you think that coming like were toning town
around and motherfucker, how did shit feel over? How did
you feel? As I'm saying that period, just to know

(44:50):
like that you can do whatever the fuck you want, Like, no,
I already undid this shit. Y'all really know, I'm really
being mines about to shoot. I really got them say
what it is and what it is, and so let
me ask you this. You feel like you said, dude,
you went through what you did right in the streets,
like major organization. Y'all made millions out this shit trick
called doing all this ship the niggas never heard of, right, right, Okay,

(45:13):
then you went and sat down and perfected that right,
perfected your rights. Wrong. So do you feel like if
a niggles in the game, you could be like whole classes?
I can't you know if I wanted to do that.
Don't listen, And you need consulting niggas everything, niggas consulting

(45:36):
everything the days. You know what I'm gonna do with
the motherfucker ask me something, especially you know kids, I'm
gonna try to direct on another direction. No, I ain't
saying that I get what you're saying. I'm saying right
now me of going start me the banking mel but
show me where y'all went wrong, get and show me
what I needed to do. I'm gonna blige you here,
mon show me how to work. They move. But even

(45:58):
if you walk up to me, ask me some I'm saying,
but you know me. Okay, now there you go. Now
I know you all right because I'm saying I ain't
gonna tell you ship now that I know you and
I know you like if you're my guy, explain that
to you. I'll tell you what you know. If you're saying, listen,

(46:19):
people get paid for everything that they go to college,
y'all needn been to college. You don't do everything that
is to do in the game. Niggas have seen up
to downs in the phone. Why Nick can't say that
because they know sten it Okay what I'm saying. Some
niggas that I'm pretty sure I know you can't deal with.

(46:41):
Not say this on air or whatever, but just say
for ensing me. I feel like I want to start
a whole new BML Timmy the ends and I will
I expect your time old you here you go, Yeah,
but you gotta make sure if you come with that
type of shit, you gotta I would have to make
sure that I couldn't get, you know, in trouble for
doing it. But if I can get in trouble doing
that shit, man, how do you think write books? But

(47:03):
I think I'm not telling you what you write books?
The first thing you don't see me over that page.
This ship is based off story. Yeah, based off with
your story, but it's some some of them. That's the
same thing. How I'm not encourage you to do now,
I'm just showing you how to do it. But look,
we can show you how to do everything. Bro. I

(47:24):
think part I think part of it is there's certain
ship no matter what type of guidance can't be recreated.
Yes it is musically, Yes it is, bro Everything, everybody,
every every every Michael Jordan had coaches that showed him
that flick. Yeah, coaches showing the fade away. You know
what I'm saying. So at the end of the day,

(47:44):
if I gotta just like a lawyer, do you foak
getting paid to god them deal with criminals? Why criminals
can't what we're trying to understand, what I'm saying, you
ain't going to jail. Hold on up, But how is
that illegal? It is how you're telling someone how to
do illegal shit? How is that illegal? If you're telling

(48:07):
you're telling somebody how to continue a criminal enterprise. So
whatever I know about what y'all nigga buying and shit,
I'll just tell you the morally part of it. I'm
telling you my story I'm doing on this past. So
what you said, So what you're saying is why the
fuck I can't get paid again? The little nigga listening
to my story. Basically, I'm selling my story advisement from

(48:29):
him on how you keep a crew together, that tit
of that type. Yes, whatever it is that you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean if like I said, I would teach you
the game. If I'm just just me talking because I
don't be here any man, I'm gonna make sure that
it's legal, yes to do If it's legal to do it,
hell yeah, I'm just gonna say, but nigga's gotta get it. Bro.

(48:53):
What we don't understand is everything starts from someone El nigga.
That's a new jump drum na. What we get from
in solid you wouldn't need the time. What you get
for being side, Nigga started druenre h, Well we get
for bed solid shit, don't know, come on the ship
to number. We gotta get back on our ship. So

(49:14):
they got to create something, Okay, How how if there's
ways to am I tripping? No, you say't ways of
monetize it? Yes, I think documentaries and books and that
type of ship. But you're saying even further, how could
you because listen, if I make a book about it,
how I could have got away with it? Right? Whatever?

(49:38):
And then I showed up doing seminars and Nigga saw
the nigga put me to the side where my cousin
got a situations. How would you help to that? You
know what? I would happen this as as much as
I might think my dog tripping a little bit. That
Wolf of Wall Street nigga did that ship. The Wolf
of Wall Street nigga did that? Did I still think

(50:02):
anyone in the motherfucker said the Wolf of Wall Street
or whoever did the ship? They made sure that we're
just not thinking about it like that. I know you're
not thinking, but how we look at shit, I'm saying,
how we look at shit is like it may be
a consequence. What if it ain't nigga check into it?
What if it ain't, what kind of nigga can tell

(50:24):
what y'all? Nigga's head created like the same shit? Just
think about they're doing the same shit on Star sitting
them doing the same shit. They're doing it with the
with the what do you call it? They're recreating it right,
But it's the same ship from the eyes of it.
But I think, Okay, I guess what I'm trying to
forget that is you're saying that him, particularly on one

(50:46):
personal consultation, it ain't listen with these books and this
ship that I'm standing on, how we did it the
Rise in the Fall? Why he can't be the nigga
to say that. Then people are gonna goddamn see certain
ship images like what was the feeling you had before that? Well,
I felt like this at the time, Like I've seen,
like you said, I've seen in the crowd. What made
how did you feel before that? Did you feel easy

(51:06):
when you woke up? Niggas paying for anything? So so
so it's almost like you got to you got to
get the bmmfs on on the show right. Yeah, So
is there gonna be like j Bow tells his do
you have some your own ship coming like documentary movie? Um?
From your perspectives, I can't. I'm gonna say a little bit.

(51:31):
So it they supposed to supposed to be shooting in
Saint Louis next Um, it's dope. That's what I heard.
I'm not Joe. You probably got more information you don't do,
but I haven't. Um, I talked to them every now
and again time to time. I talked to them. I
haven't talked to the writers yet. So to be truthful,

(51:52):
I'm just waiting for my next step on it. I
don't know. I haven't talked to um. They haven't told
me the next step. So that's basically out. And you
know what I'm saying about that, that ship? Right? What
would you be interested in just doing? Hopefully like that
I work out, but maybe even just your own I'm
working on other shit, you know besides besides that. UM, yeah,

(52:13):
I ain't just gonna sit right. You know what I'm saying.
Sit there? You know, I fuck with them, You know
what I'm saying. I shout out to all of them,
the whole stars for everything. You know what I'm saying,
but I just I'm just waiting my turn for them.
But at the same time, I'm still moving, you know
what I'm saying, trying to get other things aligne you
know what I'm saying for me, you know, getting my

(52:34):
story out, like I'm doing this podcast with you guys
and shit like. You know, that's the type of ship
I'm on. What's the what's the first day out, my
first day out out of prison? What's it like after
all of that history? Man, listen, I ain't gonna lie
bro like that ship was. It was like when I

(52:55):
got out, it was like I went in two days ago,
now I'm out. But it wasn't really that, you know
what I'm saying. Eleven eight some shit like that. But
when I first got out, I was like, damn, you
know what I'm saying. Ride to the bus station and ship.
I'm like, Dad, this ship is, I'm out, you know
what I'm saying. Even when I made it to the camp,

(53:15):
and you know, I was at for a city. You know,
it's a medium low camp. It's a complex. They call
them complexes when it's three different prisons. I don't understand.
It's hard to get off the complex. When you get
in there, like I want to switch to another prison.
It's hard to leave when you get on the complex.
But um, when I made it to the camp, man,

(53:36):
it'd be like one or two guards and it might
be a four hundred inmates. Um, you could just go
put on a vest and just walk past the guard,
tell me you're going on the job hunt and walk
all the way around the whole motherfucker complex. That shit
blew my mind, you know what I'm saying. Like, but yeah,
that's that's how ship, How ship was going. What was

(53:58):
the plan? My plan when I when I came home, Man,
you know I'm gonna I'm gonna reach out to all
these all these guys that we read you know that
we kicked it with that slept in our house, you
know all that shit, All these guys that you know
we fucked with them? Are that artist? My plan was
to come on and get back into me was you

(54:20):
know what I'm saying. And you know I called a
few guys and ship when I came home. I'm thinking,
this ship gonna be easy, you know, But it ain't everything.
That's another thing that's switched. Everybody ain't the same. You
know what I'm saying, like different, it's you know, it's
it's different, man, But I'm not a bit of person.

(54:42):
Nigga got to create a gendre. See Nigga's gonna try
to keep you out of the junctre. It's already created.
Ye needn't create a whole another lane on the nigga's
brother niggas as leaders. It makes the whole most ship anything.
I'm You're gonna come from right here, bro, because that
what we do right. You're gonna put a whole play
together with the other play, and they're gonna try to

(55:05):
go find another Nigga play when the time him and
make it a whole another play. Yeah, you can't tell
me they ain't a lame for nigga who can't be
in solid It can't tell me that. I don't even
would nigga. You can't tell me that it ain't a
play that the nigga makes some millions off of selling
a solid story. I don't give a fuck what a
nigga tell me. That's just how I feel about. Buy

(55:28):
some ms. Yeah, because at the end of the day,
it did what it is. It ain't like check it, yeah,
check it, check that record. Check it. You know what
I'm saying there, I don't know how just look at
shit different because you wait on, bro, you wait on
you don't need to lift Like if you start some
ship may take a little bit, but you're gonna need
a lift at some ship that you already at the

(55:49):
bottom of it. And you know what I'm saying, it's
gonna put a sense of God damn because you know
what you would have did if it would That's where
Nigga's getting toole ship twisted it. So it's how many
words we were saying, is that you know, being solid
maybe in your situation and others, is not celebrated like
it's supposed to be noted more. Yes, niggas need to

(56:13):
get some awards and ship Man, and you have a
goddamn award for these niggas, grow to get us some
plays for a nigga, bro, because that shit is rare. Yeah,
they celebrate some of the bullshit, just the media whatever.
They celebrate some of the bullshit, the solid shit, because

(56:34):
the solid shit they feel like shouldn't be celebrated because
in most cases, solid shit doesn't get views and it
doesn't get attention, and it doesn't get likes. And all
this other shit, like the bullshit is what captures people
and it's what sells. Think about it is we know
who we are the truth thing by itself anyway, you

(56:56):
know what's been the motherfucker's saying something nearby disagreement. If
I feel like I'm true true, if I feel like
I'm telling the truth, I'm telling the truth about So
that's just stand by itself, right, Yeah, that's one thing
we get. Like, Nia's gotta know that within theself, like
she standing by myself, like I put this ship by itself.

(57:20):
He kicks some real ship. Like, then what it is?
Understand I feel by myself? Man? Then what it is
was that did you feel alone when you get out?
Did you feel alone? Like? H Well, like I said,
you know I'm not come home, man, probably about two
or three good friends that make sure I was straight now,

(57:42):
like you know, make sure I was. You know, can
can can move for a couple of weeks. You know
what I'm saying. They looked they took curtain, you know
what I'm saying, But me expect them what I really
was expecting when I came home. I never seen it.
You feel what I'm saying, Like I say me, not

(58:03):
even just meat. I'm talking about me. I took her
a lot of motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying, and
never asked nobody for nothing. When I come home, I
just knew the bank account was gonna explode. Shit ain't real, brom,
it ain't real. You know what I'm saying. I ain't
gonna say no names, none of that ship but motherfuckers,

(58:26):
you know, and I know I ain't. I ain't the
type of motherfucker serious and be like, damn they do
ship for me. Dude. I'm just saying, like people like
you an't. Like I said, people ain't do shit for me.
So I ain't that purchase. You don't sit back and
and wait for a handoff show. You see what I'm saying.
I'm gonna figure out the way. You know, I do
my own podcast. I wouldn't got me studio. I make

(58:51):
money off the studio. You know what I'm saying. Like
it's I'm not going to stop because the streets taught
me how to move when it comes to make money,
and not just with Trumps. You gotta use that same
mentality the whole way. You know, for your life. We'll
not get big fair but you gotta get what. I'm

(59:14):
gonna keep it one hund What a nigga gotta do
in that position. You gotta know that the same ship
that you see in your set, the gene will never
lay down. People are not here because they know you
ain't gonna let down lay down. So nigga, go ahead,
motherfucker know you ain't to lay down tight nigga, you
don't need my help. Some people feel like you don't
need my help because of who they already where. They
don't put you at You get what I'm saying, We're
gonna give them that is use. Yeah, like go ahead, bro,

(59:39):
you got it. Some monfucker feel like you always got
it too though. Yeah, everybody think that. I'm feel like
you your status is more than my money, right straight?
So they for them, mother ain't gonna never feel like
it's you, okay, ain't motherfucker. I will never say that.
You got to tell me you okay, you know what
I'm saying. Can't spake us from other folks, that's I ain't.

(59:59):
Can't they different? So the man, the man that I am,
if I ain't got no money, I'm gonna tell you facts, right,
ain't I ain't got it. I ain't got it, and
I'm also the motherfucker man that's gonna I'm gonna ask
you one time, bro put me in the right position,
you know what I'm saying. Like, Okay, So if it's

(01:00:22):
a it's an artist, bro, let me book you booked
the show for him. I ain't got ship booked the
show for me. Let me get the proceeds off. That's
how you can give me some money. I don't say
that to a couple of guys. Never happened, you know
what I'm saying. So I just felt that I knew
I was coming home to a bag. Ain't it. Ain't

(01:00:43):
like that, Bro, I don't know because the same guys
that I reached out too, we reached out to them
the fun. You see what I'm saying, Like, it ain't
about money. I mean friendship relationships. You know what I like.
I know your families. You know what I'm saying. You

(01:01:03):
know my as Like, nigga, you don't you know first
thing you should think, like, Damn, I don't want to
bro Comard get back in the streets. Yeah, if I
can help this nigga not to go back to the streets.
Hell man, I about the taps right off. That's all
it is. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna
help this nigga because this nigga helped me a million

(01:01:24):
motherfucking times, or let me at least compensate this nigga
for me benefiting off of his story and what they
all brought to the game. You feel like, what type
of what type of uh you know what I'm saying,
flaying that shit like under nigga. You know what I'm saying.
I don't know, man, what type of energy? You know,
certain ship you give me a certain energy to go harder,

(01:01:47):
you know what I'm saying, be feeling a certain way,
But what type of energy you feel like this shit
give you? Get me? Yeah? For for for them? Not
yeah what you just said, Like I just told you,
I don't sit down, So I'm gonna figure out a
way to go hard, you know what I'm saying. And
then when I get it, guess what I ain't like

(01:02:07):
Dan nigger I've been trying to do. You know, you
just say, I'm trying to like like the end of
the day, you know, bro, Bro, when they first reached
out to me and tell me about the podcast, I
didn't know that was y'all. I wanted to go the
first first class. I didn't I know that. I didn't
know that was y'all. Enough, you know what I'm saying.
They finally told him. I'm like, all right, but I

(01:02:27):
was still on something. I'm home, I'm still on papers.
I'm on papers now, I'm still on papers. I'm like,
down if I do this podcast, I'm gonna get in
trouble with type shit. That's why I didn't. I didn't
do I'm like, I'm gonna waite. But the fair God
know what I'm saying is I want I want this
ship to be said what it said, like, Yeah, you know,
So that's that's That's one reason I didn't do it.

(01:02:51):
But because I didn't want No, I didn't want to
go back to jail for some shit me doing a
podcast in Atlanta when I supposed to be in Saint Louis. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. So that's that's one. I
was sneaking down I can tell y'all, motherfucker now, I
was sneaking down the pitch. You know what I'm saying.

(01:03:13):
But yeah, man, that that's the one reason, bro, Like
you know and I meant you, I don't really know.
You're a good dude in my assum Her, I ain't
gotta say no. She ran with us. You know, Jay
was juice. I hon't good juice. Rest in peace. Her
and Jay was so motherfucking cool. That's how I met Ja.

(01:03:36):
Ja was our sister. She did and won't. Yeah, how
you doing. I'm gonna fucking We're gonna call him when
we get finished. Ye looking for you? Oh yeah, yes,
so yeah man, But yeah, that's how that ship was.
When you look back on all that ship, when you
changing this ship, just fucking I don't like this is
what it is. So the way you asked the question,

(01:03:56):
if if I look back on it and I was
still interest and you know what I was doing in
the past, I changed a lot of shit, like the circle.
You know. So let me ask you this. The anybody
that was with y'all that folded you felt like I
knew that nigga who surprisingly kept kept solid too, say

(01:04:24):
both of them. Surprisingly you're kept it solid, man, bro.
I actually thought my whole or our whole crew was
gonna keep it solid. I ain't gonna lie to you.
I knew when I went because like I said, we
had rules, and you know what I'm saying, We had
a little we had orders. You know, if you get
called shut up, we're gonna get your lloyd. Don't worry

(01:04:45):
about that ship we got you. You can take your
money and run. We're gonna figure it out. I was
running on that law. Don't say nothing. Yeah, I ain't
got well, like I said, I said on another interview,
but when I first met my lawyer, when he walked
through that door. But from when he guys, hey, I'm
on hold on, I said, look, I ain't got nothing

(01:05:09):
to say to no prosecutors, no DA, no motherfucking agent,
no nothing. I ain't got nothing to say to him.
He said, okay, we got the other way to hide.
My name is such as such. And I never talked
none of them until they tricked me to come out
there and two dollars ten about whoo. I ain't know
if I don't know that out of did try to
do something to stay, but I hired to go. They're

(01:05:30):
gonna make you do what the fuck you're gonna do.
I ain't gonna you gotta go, you know what I'm saying.
So I went, But I ain't I ain't. I ain't
want to talk to none of them motherfuckers. So basically
everybody at any nigga who fold it was like a heartbreaker, Like, damn, Bro,
I ain't gonna lie. Bro, I ain't gonna lie. Oldolf
fucked me him because I thought he was just you

(01:05:52):
know Old I was. You know, it was good. It
was a good nigga, funny, cool dude. All that. He
fucked me up. Man. When I read that that article, Hi,
I'm saying that he used to get ship from me.
It comes from Bro, but he got it through me
or we meet you at the gate. You know, I
read that ship. It was true getting it from me,

(01:06:14):
you know what I'm saying. But he told the truth.
Now he he told, told, told, and never made it
to the fis. He gotta slap on the wrist, you know.
So that did that nite. The whole ship that was
that was one of them. There was one that was
one of them. Um that I said, I didn't know.

(01:06:37):
I didn't know about Old Tell. Somebody sent me that
article where I was in when I was in Detroit
and talk m hm. If I see him right now,
I'm like, what's up, bro? And keep it pushing. I'm
not just sit down and talk. You know, no conversation.
I ain't gonna guess my time old I did my time.
Just stay away from me, you know what I say.

(01:07:00):
I ain't. You know, we ain't gonna be deef and
none of that ship you did you? I did me.
You feel like that's the first time your name was
ever mentioned, like two, yeah it was. I knew that
was the first time my name was ever mentioned that
I know of. Ye when I when I when I
did get out on bond and I got my discovery.

(01:07:21):
You know, you can read something like you know you
did something somebody and the discovery to say, like I
just get such a such from j BO. He would
charge me, uh eighteen five if I paid cash, you
will charging me twenty on the front. I don't did
that with a couple of people, So I knew who
it would. I read my descript because that shint you

(01:07:43):
will see the letter I just get such it would
be blacked out. That's a Ciot confident your appointment. So
he's telling him I read that. I said, oh shit,
I'm sitting on my table at the crew. I'm like,
oh man, I fucked that. I carry I saw. I mean,
I ain't did you Did you run into any nigga
that like just into now like you know how nigga? No,

(01:08:05):
he told, but into now like I ain't tell I
ain't running into him. But shit, y'all, y'all see him
all the time. I see him on social media all
the time. Who blue he don't really really don't think
you too? He told what he did, then you can't listen, bro,
listen to me, sah on to you. You can't tell
what you did. I'm saying, you can't tell. You can't

(01:08:31):
tell what you did. Man, when you tell, brother, they
want you to tell on everything. Or guess what if
you don't tell everything, they're gonna put your eyes out there.
That's what they did though, because I want the in
the in the in the fucking in in the little
auticle thing. He said, like you know who we got

(01:08:52):
it from. And he kept on talking like hold long, man,
y'all gonna y'all don't let me go. Yeah some shit
like that, I don't give me, give me time out
or something like that, because many people know my family
type shit. Stop and they like, Noah, they stopped. So
they put that out there, you know, what I'm saying.
He started, but he stopped. He probably stopped right there
on that motherfucker art. Yeah but you said too much, bro,

(01:09:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah said too much. Yea, what's you think
the end result is if when the family got picked up,
everybody just shut their mouth. Ain't he ain't saying the
white people by sitt you think the result would be? Yea,
if nobody never said nothing, No, they ain't got nothing.

(01:09:39):
If I get caught me conspiracy when you talk about
other people, If I get caught fifteen bricks, whatever, Okay,
we've been fighting ship whatever I get on run like
you said, whatever, if I fight mine by myself and
not implementing nobody else's not known conspiras or rica. When
I started telling like, yeah he know and he ain't
and he's when there's been a lot of niggas, niggas

(01:10:02):
take their lick, it ain't nothing, m niggay won't neither
got them. I don't need to be down here with me.
You need to be down here with be man. Let's
see it fucked up. Yeah, so do you think that hit?

(01:10:23):
Do you think all that shit is just a little
too accepted and just speaking, We ain't even just speaking
of like just the music industry, but just for the
streets and just as general, like just telling, snitching, whatever
the case is, the formanst Do you think that it's
becoming slowly more accepted? Slowly? Can you running a hundred

(01:10:45):
million miles a minute? Oh man, it's like they do
that first fun compared to back in the day. You
know what I'm saying, niggas to be They're gonna be
discreet about it, you know, trying to tell on the
nigga man with right now like today, slowly man, you
they grab niggah, I got you. It was a little
John in them before they even say something like they're

(01:11:07):
telling all them already because these niggas you think that
will get like that though. It's just it's just like
I said, niggas with no fucking um you know how
motherfuckers you know, put you on point type shit. Niggas
that that's not on point. They ain't got no big
homies and all that shit. And they just want the fan.

(01:11:28):
They want the money and want to be that guy
throwing money and clothes, you know, buying cars and jewelry
and fucking all the ditches and all that shit. But
they forgot one motherfucking thing. When you pick that bag up,
it's a ninety percent chance that ship you can get
caught up. Now what you're gonna do now, No, oh,

(01:11:50):
I don't want to leave. Uh bella. Oh man, who's
gonna raise my kids? Uh Man, they're gonna take I
ain't gonna have no more it. They can't take it.
Niggas can't take that ship. So they're trying to get
back to the same you know, females or you know
that's when as soon as you leave, they fucking listening

(01:12:14):
or they're still in your money. Niggas don't look at
all that shit like you gotta. You gotta look at
all that ship when you in the gang, bro, you
gotta watch the bitches you deal with. You gotta watch
the niggas you deal with. You know what I'm saying,
you're constantly looking left right. We're gonna say that part.
I'm matt let me manage, I got, I got, I gotta,

(01:12:35):
I gotta absolutely like two goddamn me. I think three managers,
you know, you know, and I ain't a lie bro
like niggas don't think about that that point or the gang.
They can make all the money in the world. But
as soon as you get caught up. You know how
many times I ride with my orders and ship right now,

(01:12:55):
you know what I'm saying, Like they look a little
person ship. Like when we get on the highway, um
draft down here, we're smoking weed and you gotta piss.
Oh you ain't trying to go piss until this weed
cleared out of this car. We you know, we rode
two three fold more miles down the road, Like I
got rules. I'd be teaching them that because this is
a good ship. I see that fucked him up. So

(01:13:15):
now you're smoking weed. You got eighty thousand in the
car with you. You know you bought it, but you
stopped getting some gas because not gas, you gotta piss.
And there's some state troopers in there and they smelling
the weed. You know what I'm saying. I tell them
this ship for a reason, Like I'll be teaching my
orders not to be street nigga, but like I teach
them my street mentality when we ran on the highway,

(01:13:38):
because everything matters, right, That's what I'm saying. Like, if
you want to slip up now, my eighty thousand gonna
were in jail and I guess you got the case me.
They don't look him a lot of man. Yeah, man, man,
you gotta still in a bike. This isn't on a
major you know, you know, a big case. You know

(01:13:59):
what I'm saying. I tell them that for a reason, Bro,
I teach them my wage for a reason, and they'll
tell you know what I'm saying. I don't listen, nigga,
slow your ass down. It's it's just sixty you do
sixty four sixty five. I don't give a fuck fuck
ryding with the goddamn me traffic were dirty? What you
what you think? Mate? And level spot to be like shit?

(01:14:21):
Did we'venna part this shit off it right here? It's
because we was doning party and you know we gotta
you know, we party, so we gotta make money, you
know what I'm saying. So now, but niggas are getting
money in their own different cities. Nigga getting money. But man,
you know, okay, you getting money in Saint Louis. You

(01:14:42):
know you you brought you thirty thousand nine. It's gone. Yeah,
and you want to call home like tell and tell
a little round and then send me five and all that?
All right, all right, it's gonna take a two to
three days. I ain't got two three days the funk that.
So you know we had to you know, extend our
hands to the to the one that we chose it.
Do you think that was a mistake though, to play
right here when y'all already just getting money in y'all

(01:15:04):
other cities like y'all, because like I saving everybody different
city down here getting money just you know what I'm saying. Whatever,
and got people at home having the business. See this
ship could be sold. You got people at home having
the business, and you just down here music is it? Yeah?
But you you know there was a lot of money

(01:15:27):
down for one. Yeah, you know, it's harder to say not.
You know, you find your some soide of guys see
your can like you're seeing your can, and they right here.
I can get them right here either you put them
at your front when their conversation come up. If if
we chose the right one, you know, yeah, go do it.

(01:15:50):
You know what I'm saying, Why why why miss millions?
You know, yeah, you know if you're in that shield, Yeah,
why miss millions when you can get it? And if
you move in the way that we were taught you know. Yeah,
y'all see us flash and all that. But other than that,
where y'all see us there, yeah, nowhere, you might pop

(01:16:11):
up at the restaurant. Most of the time we're in
the house. Yeah, we sit in the house all day,
playing the music, playing the game, smoking with bitch is
coming through all that until it's time to go out
to night, you know what I'm saying. All everything else
is in mixed in with that, the hustle. They ain't

(01:16:32):
waiting to come home many time you got little man,
I don't even know, bro. I think, yeah, I think
he did it time, but know ain't though you don't
do this time. He got this state? Is it? State?
Time is tied in with the fig which is good.
So I'm thinking, like, as soon as they release them
from the state. We've been waiting for that for hell,

(01:16:54):
they're gonna let them go as soon as you get
to the FID, you know what I'm saying. So, but
it's the good thing, Yeah, because good thing. At first
it was it was a little a little rocky because
they were trying to run him consecutive, you know what
I'm saying, And he ended up they end up getting
it together running concurrence. Whenever they let him go from there,
he had a twenty How long have you been going

(01:17:15):
bron O sixteen? Yeah, so he he got at least
one more year because you do our seventeen twenty. Yeah,
but that's that's eighty five percent. And he he doing
eighty five percent because he's doing like he in the state,
but he's doing like a valid crime. So he's doing
eighty five percent, I think. And so he got basically

(01:17:35):
another year up right up under a year to come home. Okay,
wait for the name. Look before like we wrapped this
up and get finished, I need you to give us
give him the world a brief rundown of three stories.
Ready to hear what the stories are? Yeah, okay, the
can cone tray meets his birthday and when we went

(01:17:59):
to sm festival. So it can't cull a trip, yes man,
because it just goes back to what Black is saying about,
like if you weren't there to live it or see it,
like you're not gonna believe like the type of ship
that took place in the type of ship that went
on like during those festivities. So first of all, it

(01:18:23):
went from like you know, about thirty of us going.
It went from thirty two one hundred thirty two hundred. Man, No,
that shit was like two fifty. Yeah, the whole plane, man,
I ain't the whole plane was lit with all of us,

(01:18:45):
everybody that was going. It might be one or two
or four, you know on the plane that wasn't well.
I bet you they lived at plane run like a club. Yeah,
you know, it was every motherfucker you think good? I
think I think I was sitting by a little John

(01:19:06):
he was on the plane. I can't thinking of other celebrities,
but that motherfucker was cracking. Were smoking on the plane
like all kinds of ship brow. That ship was. Look,
so we got soon you know, we're in another country.
So as soon as we all got you know, on
the strip, everybody went bought pocket nine. You can't you

(01:19:29):
can't get no guds and ship down. Now we couldn't
read no guds. So all of us we were bought
the whole motherfucker in the pocket knife store out there
on the strip. Though it was on the stripped all
the pocket nine and ship man man after that, bro man,
like I think Zimbo came a couple of days out
to us. Yeah, he came a lot of niggas. It

(01:19:50):
was a lot of niggas that was trying to leave
on the same day everybody was leaving, but that ship
was fucked up where someone's going on with their paperwork
and they couldn't leave. So he came a couple of days.
So we're down there, everybody just chilling, you know about
the pools and ship like the hotels. You know, we've
all scattered out. Man, they've got there. He went got

(01:20:11):
a pounds. I don't know what hotel was, the pound,
but two level pounds with a big ass Olympic pool
on in that motherfucker. I think everybody stayed up there.
So we just party in that motherfucker. Man rooms for everybody,
the whole hotel for everybody, but everybody stayed up there

(01:20:32):
with him like and didn't even like Mighty used the
rooms like ship and shower or some ship like, and
that was it, like I think it's it's his spot
was where everybody met up there before we went went
to what was that club called with the case looked
like a cave. That ship was, I don't remember that
ship ain't going through that. It was a haze, like
a drunk haze like you ever been drunk for a

(01:20:53):
week's crazy? Man? Okay, so let's let's move mom from
Camcom to Meta's birthday. So Meta's birthday, we had the lions,
tigers and bears. Yeah to shout out to Hannah, go down, Hannah.
She cold with the parties, man, I need the party done,
calling her ass. She started doing our parties and you know,

(01:21:19):
some other people's parties. But she did my birthday, did
meets birthday. She did a lot of shit. Um, she
laid that motherfucker out. Man, I'm sure you walking the bitch.
The one was a draft, was a drafting that, Yeah,
it was a draft of zebra lions. I don't think
it was a bear, but but I kind of been

(01:21:40):
doing the crazy invitations to though. Yeah the fuck you
get that can't go to the party? Yeah yeah, man,
I mean then when you walk in, all the champagne
in the world until the ship was gone, it was
it was trash cass, trash cans for the champagne. Like

(01:22:01):
everybody get you a bottle or drink, you know, once
you know chopain going. It was gone. But the man,
I don't know how I mean bottles we bought but
he had I want to say, he had what about
two hundred two hundred bottles all in the back every
section had. I mean, I wasn't trying to count the motherfuckers,

(01:22:21):
so I ain't. I weren't really sure, but we had
bottles for not everybody, but it was everybody got a drink.
I put it like that. Yeah, So that was that
was one of the highlights of his party. The animals
and you know, and in the trash cans for the
bottles and you know, unlimited bottles until that ship ran out,

(01:22:42):
you know, what's the essence. But we went down to
New Orleans, but as respectable and that just like the
piggyback off of what he was saying about, you know,
like everybody being treated equally and everybody being treated with respect.
Like so we're down on we're down on in New Orleans,

(01:23:04):
you know what I'm saying. We had shipped all the cars, shipped,
all the stuff we had in the hotels and ship,
but it was like you know, it was that ship
was so packed down there wasn't even really nowhere to drive,
so like we walk. We ended up walking everywhere. But
it's like two hundred niggas walking up and down Bourbon Street,
up and down Canal, like walking everywhere that we had
to go, and we had we had a party. It

(01:23:27):
might have been at the Hilton or somewhere, but it
was like you had to have like access to get in.
That's when they started all that shit whatever whatever. But
it was like they had like the housekeepers and they
had the niggas that were like sweeping the floors and
you know what I'm saying, cleaning the dance floors and
all that shit. Like you know, other other people were
there at the party trying to make it seem like,
you know, like okay, these workers and trying to like

(01:23:49):
you know, treat them like whatever, blah blah blah, YadA,
YadA YadA. But Meeta's whole thing was is like, you know,
like these people wouldn't be here for the one for
us us, So he made sure like every single fucking
floor sweeper, every single made, every single anybody that had

(01:24:09):
anything to do to come in contact with us, to
like help us or serve us in any kind of way,
he made sure that they were thoroughly taken care of.
Because like that's just the type of person he is.
Like me and him, like I didn't even wan front.
Me and him had a discussion one time when we
were in Miami. We were eating breakfast. It was just
me and him, and like I think it was Yogi
up there like and that was it because everybody else

(01:24:31):
was still asleep. We had a discussion about how it
was a conspiracy that niggas were lactose intolerant like he was.
He was that intelligent and that smart, and that was
like the type of shit that he thought about. But like,
if you didn't know him to have a real conversation
with him, you would never have any idea. But like, man,

(01:24:53):
Man Meets was an incredible nigga, like for real, for real,
like oh God, like I don't know that shit was
just those were Those are some of the best years
of my life. I swear like I never be able
to ever relive that ship like period. Like no, that's crazy.
So uh ask you what my question geno. So if

(01:25:17):
if you if your nigga like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old,
you get to chocolate it up with him any company
you and say, Man, honestly, man, I'm gonna be real
with you. I want to I want to be a
street nigga. I want to be in the streets. Um,
what what would be your response? And or like what
would be your advice to that younges. That's why I
was telling the bro like my first thing, especially if

(01:25:38):
you're you like that, I'm gonna I'm gonna just tell him,
I'm just like broke, don't do it. M That's I'm
my first thing. I'm gonna tell him I don't do it.
It ain't worth it, don't do you know what I'm saying.
So then now I'm trying to get a vibe from him,
like his conversation because line, you said, you're fourteen, So
now if you're fourteen, you ain't got no fire the

(01:26:00):
figure you're looking up to me and here you come
asking this question. So I'm gonna try to see what
your conversation like. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And
I'm still trying to tell you, no, bro, this what's
gonna come and happenings. I'm telling you you're ready to
go to jail. Can you handle it? Can you stand
up next to a nigga another nigga in the star pits,
ain't nothing in between, you know what I'm saying. Can
you sit on the toile and take a dump. You

(01:26:21):
know what I'm saying, Can you take rules and motherfucker
telling you what to do? And at your age, not
your age, but your age, you know what I'm saying,
Like talking like in my way. So he answered all
my questions and I got a good vibe from him,
and I know that he's not backing down from going
to the streets. So I would just try to give
him his best advice, like bro, don't like you know,

(01:26:48):
don't bring people to your house type shit, like don't
show you know, like just something. But I'm like, bro,
I'm telling you, it's other ways, you young, It's other
ways to get money. I understand by the by the
by the gas station pump brothers from when I was
a little kid and ask can I pumped the gas
for twenty five fifty cent and I stay a bit

(01:27:09):
for hours and go home thirteen fourteen dollars? You know
what I'm saying. As a kid, so I started hustling young,
but not you know, street, but I had to hustle
in me. So this little nigga, if he reminded me
of meat. I try to give him the best advice
that I can give him without glorifying him to go hustle.

(01:27:32):
You feel what I'm saying, because if you don't tell him,
he's just gonna go to the next nigga, and his
nigga might be like here, man, yeah, gonna take them,
take these two three yat there and sell me some rocks.
You know what I'm saying. That ain't me. You know
what I'm saying. Like, So that's that's that's what. That's
what I'll tell them. I don't tell niggas that in prison,

(01:27:53):
the young niggas. I was, you, man, who do this?
Do this shit again? You know what I'm saying? What
of course you ad what? What? What advice you can
give me? Man? Because he always got in mouthing out
there and get it. I don't talk to the goat,
you know all this shit, but the goat trying to
trying to show him out about I. You know what
I'm saying. So that's what I'll do first. And like

(01:28:15):
I said, if I get a good feeling or a
good reading or the little kid or you know what
I'm saying, I try to give him the best advice
without trying to tell him to go do it. Actually,
you know, a big shout out salute to j Bo
being man pulling up the bag on the street. It's

(01:28:39):
big fat bitch.

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