April 23, 2024 • 47 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to an exciting night of NBA Playoffs. What are the Sixers and Lakers chances of coming back and winning their series? Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix discusses whether or not Nikola Jokic is a top-20 player of all time. Plus, TNT Senior NBA Insider Chris Haynes gives the atmosphere of The Garden during the Knicks' Game 2 win last night.
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Watching the basketball last night wild final thirty seconds, but
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the Knicks go up two to oh in the seventy
six ers and then the Nuggets, down twenty beat the
Lakers at the buzzer to go up to oh. Now,
the Lakers led for almost forty five minutes of last
night's loss to the Nuggets, so Denver led for a
total of forty four seconds. All you have to do
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is lead for one and that's what they did with
Jamal Murray with the jumper at the buzzer. NBA teams
winning the first two games of the best of seven
series have gone on to win ninety two percent of
the time. Basketball coming up tonight, Sons and the Timberwolves,
Pacers and the Bucks, Mavericks and the Clippers will settle
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on a poll question. By the way, the Joker had
twenty seven, twenty and ten as they pick up the win.
So he said four career playoff games with at least
twenty five points, at least twenty re pounds in at
least ten assist. The rest of the NBA the history
of the NBA has a total of four games. He
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has five. The rest of the NBA that includes Kareem
did it once, Dave Cowens did it once, Will Chamberlain
did it twice. The Joker has done it five times
in his career. Stat of the day, Sat of the
day to bust, stat of the day, stat.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Of the day.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Here comes that what stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it's been nearly fifty years since the last player
other than Joker has done this. Dave Cowens, so, Wilt
did it twice, Dave Cowens once, and Kaem did it
once as well. But how many star players MVPs do
you watch and go? He might not take the last
shot because last night he was setting a pick for
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Jamal Murray and you had Anthony Davis switch off on
Jamal Murray. But you know you normally think, okay, clear
out the stars, got it. He's going to try to score.
But Joker is so good at passing, like you always
have to be aware of, do we focus on him
and let somebody else beat you. As I've said before,
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I don't want the best player on the floor to
beat me. Well, Jamal Murray is You're not going to
write the history of this Nuggets team without Jamal Murray. Now,
he hadn't made an All Star appearance yet, and I
say yet, but he's one of those guys when you
watched certainly in the play and you go, yeah, he's
pretty good, get you get kind of swallowed up into
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the vortex of the Joker when Jamal Murray got the ball,
knew what he wanted to do and hit the shot
over Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yes, Mark, did Jamal Murray feel like Jason Terry almost?
Whereas like they don't win that championship without Jason Terry
stepping up in big moments.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, Jason Terry was a sixth man, but yeah, he
was big for Dallas when they won that championship. I
think he might be a little bit above that as
far as name recognition, I mean, he's a starter, second
best player. But you know they have Porter who played
well Gordon that you can sometimes get lost in the
smoke that is Joker. You know you have those players,
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you know Chris Middleton, he was always but he had
made an All Star game, but he was like Chris
Middleton's pretty good, or at least he used to be.
Now that star Sometimes like Tyrese Maxey is really good
with the seventy six ers, but you still have Joel Embiid.
Players get lost in the shuffle a little bit there,
and that's probably the case with Jamal Murray. But if
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you're the Lakers, I don't know, if you're a Laker
fan today, do you say, man, like, we're there. You know,
we were up by twenty, hey, same as last year.
We're really close. We didn't get blown out. Yeah we
got swept, but we didn't get blown out. Or do
you go, I don't know if we have what it
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takes to get over the hump here. Yes, we're up
twenty and then we lost. We've lost a lot of
close games to them. Well, that's the difference between being
good and being great. That's the difference between being eliminated
or advancing. What do you do when you need to
do it? And that's what Denver did last night. You know,
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even the Knicks, I mean, it was a wild, frenetic
pace there in the final thirty seconds, and it was like,
what is going on here? Well, seventy six ers, you
can't blow that kind of lead with thirty seconds to go.
Did you get an offensive rebound when you were supposed to?
Did you make both of your free throws? Did you
call the time out? Could you get the ball in?
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Did you leave somebody open for a wide open three? Like,
that's not what you know good teams, well coached teams do.
And I really wondered about that with Nick Nurse last night.
Call timeout, kind of get everybody together here, and you
got a heroic performance out of Joe ellenb I mean,
he's clearly gassed at the very end, he's doing his best.
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He put up good numbers. Maxi is a star. As
I've said the last couple of years. Thought he was
an all star. But the little things and the little
things came back to haunt the Lakers. The little things
came back and haunted the seventy six ers last night.
Here is the Knicks, the last two buckets they had.
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This is MSG with Mike Breen on the call eight.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
On the twenty four Deven Chunzel, Contada, Brunson, sidestep putter,
shut catch god tough top bouncing one in two point game,
whoa knock loose and Maxie gets knocked down. Heart takes
it away, I'll top to defen Chuns on his shot,
don't go, hearts teign the rebound.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Hartenstein gets it out to Ananobi defen Chuns on a
three bun dam.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Next take a one pointly but thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Remaining a double bound.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Mike Breen take up.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Wow, that was fun. I watched it and I'm still
getting goosebumps with just that call. But uh, the Knicks,
and you think of the Sixers, and you think of
maybe Kawhi's shot that beat the Sixers in the playoffs
years ago when they went on to win the title,
and it just kind of hung the uh and then
it drops And then I thought that last night when
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they got the friendly roll with with Brunson. But Joel
Embiid says, they're still gonna win this series.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
We should be torn to know, so you know we're
go we're gonna win this series.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You know we we're gonna win this.
Speaker 9 (08:14):
We know what we gotta fix and we did about
a job to this, so we're gonna fix it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But with a better team were gonna keep fighting. Okay,
you might have more talent than the Knicks, that doesn't
make you a better team because the better team usually wins,
not the team with the most talent. The better team,
and the Knicks did what they needed to do when
they needed to do it, and the seventy six ers didn't.
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The same with the Lakers. This is how it sounded
last night. On the final play of Jamal Murray's jumper
dunting with the time out, we are time.
Speaker 10 (08:50):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Don't call it tie ball game.
Speaker 8 (08:53):
Worst can happen, and we got all the time Murray
makes and moves.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So Kevin Harlan with the call. There as Murray hits
the shot, goes into the bench, Anthony Davis falls into
the bench, and Denver ends up pulling out that victory.
Here is Lebron talking about what it's like to play Denver.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
I mean, we know they're a great Office of power team.
You know, we know they're going to get into a
rhythm mess on point.
Speaker 10 (09:29):
We're not.
Speaker 9 (09:29):
They're going to make runs, especially on their home floor,
just out to withstand him, and you know, I think
we did. Obviously, we give up a twenty point lead,
and you know that's unfortunate, but twenty point leads in
this league is not It's not safe, especially against the
defending champion. We've got to do better with that. But
we had our chances.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
They have had their chances this year and last year.
And maybe it's just Denver has an answer for every
question that the Lakers pose. Because I'm watching last night
and I go, okay, Lakers in a good rhythm here,
just seemed like to start and stop, couldn't get a
flow going. It's same with the Sixers against the Knicks.
Sometimes we watch the first half and you go, okay,
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most games aren't won in the first half, where you go, lad,
we're up, We're up by fifteen, up by twelve, we
go into halftime up by ten. It's the adjustments that
are made third and fourth quarter. In all sports, you
have that who makes a late adjustment, who does the
right thing at the right time. And last night it
was just you could feel Denver. You could feel it,
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and then you could if you're a Laker fan, you
could almost feel it like slipping away, like hold on,
hold on, hold on, Yes, Mark.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The Nuggets now feel like the Warriors during their run.
We're that third quarter, the Warriors would just turn it on. Yeah,
and your lead was gone, no matter how big of
a lead that you had.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Here's Anthony Davis being asked about guarding Jamal Murray, and.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You get that last play and just what happened and
what unfolded?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What was I don't know if you were screened or
what happened.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
On that last play, Jamalo.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, all right, that's a lot of detail there. Slow down.
I got to write all of this down. But he
got switched out on him.
Speaker 10 (11:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think Jamal Murray saw if AD came out on him,
then he's going to take him off the dribble because
D'Angelo Russell was guarding him. But man, I love a
guy who wants to take the shot, like Dante DiVincenzo
was taking some big shots last night. And Philadelphia has
done a really good job on Brunson. But you know,
once again, do you try to shut down the star
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and then let everybody else around him try to fill in?
You know, Joker? Do I just play him straight up? Manda. Man,
he's going to get his points. I just don't want
him to get his ship. But he has ten assists
last night and that's sometimes the difference where your big
man gets his points, but then he's not getting anything else.
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But joker man, you got to pick your poison. And
he doesn't seem bothered. If you take the shot or
I take the shot where I set you up to
take the shot, he has no problem. He checks his
ego at the door. But a lot of fun last night. Oh,
by the way, the Witness Protection Program gave us the
cabs against Orlando last night. They should put that on it,
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like four in the afternoon. They should just to say, hey,
you know, watch these Orlando great story this year and
Donovan Mitchell great watched them. Jared Allen had a wonderful
performance last night. Rebounds and points. Maybe put it on
where you can see it or where you would watch
it where you normally wouldn't. I have a friends in
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family viewing for Cleveland and Orlando. But Cleveland goes up
getting the win. Jalen Suggs banged up a little bit. Uh.
They he left the court and then he came back.
But don't know what the update is going to be
for his availability.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
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Speaker 3 (13:18):
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Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, yes, uh. Donovan Mitchell had twenty three Jared Allen
had sixteen points and twenty rebounds. So all right, playoff basketball.
I mean it was kind of nondescript Game one in
most of these series except for the Pelicans. But you know,
this was fun. It was fun last night. You had
some exciting finishes there. All right, what's poll question today, Seaton? Well,
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you want to go with something after the break? We can,
because I was thinking who's in more? Who's in more trouble?
The Lakers or the seventy six ers.
Speaker 11 (14:04):
So I had a version of that version be okay,
a little more positive though, because I'm more of a
glasses half fall are the guy?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Are you that's right? Okay? All right, well then we'll
see your version. I might have an aversion to your version,
that version to your version. Yes, So we'll take a break.
We're just getting started.
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Speaker 2 (15:16):
I had mentioned I had some Joker stats for you.
Percentage of games where this player took the most shots
for his team this season Luca eighty five percent of
the games, Shay Gilgis, Alexander eighty six percent of the games,
Joker fifty three percent. Also, I was wondering where, like,
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if you looked at MVP seasons, where would Joker rank
among these players the fewest shots for an MVP of
a season. And we got our stats guy John Tuvey
working on this. Joker was nineteenth in the NBA during
the regular season in shot attempts. Teams had two players
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who averaged more shot attempts than Joker did this year,
the seventy six Ers, Celtic Sons and the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
The stat of the day of the day, Here it
comes the stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yay, stat of the day.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Here it comes the stat of the day. The stat
of the Day brought you by Panini America, the official
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be in Boston tomorrow night Game two between the Heat
and Celtics. Always great to have him on the Sports
Illustrated NBA senior writer. Let me start with Joker. Can
you remember an MVP in a season who averaged less shots?
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I don't know if Steve Nash would be somebody, but
how many MVPs average fewer shots than Joker does during
the regular season?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, top of my head, Steve Nash would be the
only one that comes to mind because he was a
playmaker and a lot of his production. The reason was
the MVP came off of CIS. But Jokic just does
it and dominates in unique ways every game. I mean,
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watching that game last night, it was the offensive rebounding
that was dominant. It was the playmaking that was dominant.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
One thing that struck me in that final sequence where
Jamal Murray made that shot. If you rewind the tape
a little bit and you look at the moments after
the defensive rebound by Denver the instant they got the
ball in their hands, Jokic was already orchestrating that final play.
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He was waving guys around and gave them position, she said,
somebody and I forgot who was over from the right
side of the play to the left, essentially to clear
room for what was a developing two man game between
himself and Jamal Murray. So great shot by Jamal Murray
in the face of Anthony Davis. But give Jokic's credit
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in part for kind of clearing that room for him,
giving him enough space to operate. You know, it's plays
like that that make NIKOLEA Jokic so special.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I'm trying to understand how a Laker fan can spin
this in a positive way. That you were up twenty
and it feels like they're trying to win games in
the first half, like let's go out and use all
of our energy, and then they limped to the finish line.
You've been close with Denver. Even last year when they
got swept, they weren't getting blown out. So I'm trying
to figure out, if I'm a Laker fan, what positives
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do I take away from losing back to back games.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I mean, I think among the positives was how well
D'Angelo Russell played in the first half, how well Anthony
Davis played in the first half. Both those guys seem
to run out of gas though in in the second.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I mean Davis, you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Know, had he had a great regular season, played seventy
six games, the most games he's played in his NBA career,
averaged more minutes per game than he has at a
times since his New Orleans days. But you start to wonder,
watching a series like this, if there's enough gas left
in the tank for Anthony Davis to be a dominant
two way player for thirty five thirty six minutes. I mean,
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on the defensive end. In the fourth quarter, nikol Jokicic
was was great. I mean, a ad is as good
as he is defensively, he just couldn't do much to
stop him in the post. And with Russell, Dan I
said coming into this series, the only way the Lakers
can win is if D'Angelo Russell is the kind of
player we've seen in the regular season and not in
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the games he's played against Denver. I mean the Conference
finals last year, Dan, the Nuggets played D'Angelo Russell right
off the floor. I mean he was benched in the
Conference Finals. First half of Game two, he had eighteen points,
made six of seven from three point range. He was
one of four from three point range the rest of
the way, just five points in that second half. I mean,
you can draw a line between D'Angelo Russell, you know,
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being a effective offensive player to that fifteen point lead
the Lakers built to you know that, you know, collapse
so to speak in the second half. So both those
guys have to find a way to play four full
quarters to give the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
A chance better chance of coming back. The Lakers are
seventy six ers.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm gonna give the seventy six ers a better chance
of coming back. But that was just heartbreaking. I mean,
the Knicks, Reggie Millard, the seventy six ers down the stretch,
like the run they had in that final fifteen to
twenty seconds, whatever it was, I haven't seen anything like it.
An MSG since Reggie Miller did what he did so
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many years ago.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And I mean credit the Knicks that just they just
never stopped playing.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like you know, Jalen Brunson has had a terrible series statistically,
he has shot under thirty percent in the first two
games of this series, but he's still has the confidence
to make that shot. Dante DiVincenzo misses one shot on
the wing, makes the second at the top of the
key in Philadelphia. I mean, what are we doing down
the stretch there? You call a time out when you
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need it. On the inbounds, you don't. If you're Kyle Lowry,
don't just flip the ball in to Tyrese Maxi on
that inbound play.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Don't put him in the position that he was in.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I know a lot of the focus dan is on
the refereeing and should they have called the foul down
the stretch?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Maybe, But the Sixers blew that game.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
They couldn't come up with an offensive rebound or defensive
rebound when they needed it, and they made multiple poor
plays in that final minute that allowed the Knicks to,
you know, keep that door open to win that game.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What do the Nuggets have to do to be labeled
one of the great teams.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I mean, multiple championships is kind of It kind of
opens the door for you. It puts you in that
rarefied air of teams that have won multiple championship and
then you kind of bump them up a tier from there, Like,
you know, does three championships put them in the mix
with the early aughts Lakers that won free straight with
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with Shaq and Kobe, the Celtics, and the Lakers of
the nineteen age. You start talking about them as being
in that conversation. So I think it starts with two
championships and then you build from there.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it's kind of like the Rockets when they won
back to back titles. That might be example, because you know,
when we're saying, you know, do I think they're one
of the great teams? I don't, But I think if
you're gonna be labeled great, it's got to be more
than one year.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think they might be, though, Dan, because it's not
like this is the final chapter of their their run.
They've got most of that team under long term contract,
and most of that team is in or in the
case of someone like Michael Porter Junior, just entering the
prime of their careers. Mean, Porter Junior's year was sensational,
a guy that you know, many people wondered if you
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would ever be able to play the kind of season
that he did, played what like eighty plus games this year.
I mean, that's just an incredible accomplishment for MPJA. I mean,
Jokic is incredibly durable. Mury's had his bumps along the way,
but he's still young. I mean, you know, anything can
happen this year because the playoffs in the Western Conference
especially are going to be brutal. But I think this
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team's window is probably three or four more years to
win championships.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
We're talking to Chris Mannix, the senior writer for the
NBA with Sports Illustrated. But Joker, now with the third
MVP coming up, like now, all of a sudden, we
start to get into a little bit more interesting conversation
with him. That a nice story. Oh I got another MVP.
Well let's see if you can win a title. Oh
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you got a title. Now you get another MVP. Favor
to win another title. At what point does he start
to get into that top twenty players of all time conversation?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I mean, I think we're there, aren't we?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I mean, he's a top twenty player of all time.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I'd have to make it.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know, I haven't made a list lately, but yeah,
I mean a third MVP. There's only a handful of
guys that have done that, so at some point, the
results speak for themselves and the completeness of his game
at that position.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, If I said Durant or Joker, who's going to
be ranked higher when their careers are over?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
When their careers are over, I would say Jokic will
probably be ranked higher.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, Yannis, that's a.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Tougher one because Yiannis is still in his prime and
Yannis this year he's gonna finish top five MVP. He's
not going to fish inside the top three, but he
had a insane statistical season and he is a two
way player. He's as good defensively most nights as he
is offensively.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I'm gonna say Jokic, but.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's a lot closer Karl Malone.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I mean Jokic probably because of the championship and whatever
happens over the next three I think he's gonna get
at least one. More so, I think three MVPs and
two championships nudges him above Malone, he just being me.
(25:29):
Probably Jokic. I mean, Dirk revolutionized the game, made shooting three,
made half the things that Jokic does now. And Vogue,
I mean Jokic probably in a way learned some of
the game from from Dirk Davitsky, or or figured out
how to play a certain way because of Dirk Navitsky.
I just think I just think Jokic is the completeness
(25:51):
of his game, Like he's a playmaker where Dirk wasn't,
not to that level. He's a rebounder I think better
than than Dirk. I mean, you can you give the
ball to Dirk in the high post in his prime
and good night, that's an eighteen footer that's going in
seventy five percent of the time. You give the ball
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to Jokic and you don't know what's gonna happen. He
could shoot a fadeaway jump shot himself in a high percentage.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
He can go to the basket.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You saw him get to the free throw line a
lot and down the stretch against Anthony Davis. Or he
can make the right play and find an open teammate
for three. Jokic's ability to dissect the defense. I think
probably separates in from Dirk as well.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I get so much hate mail from like a hate
more hate message than usual because of this debate.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Probably Jokic as well. I I, you know, I wait, do.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You really mean that? I? Are you crying right now?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm not crying, I'm I'm I'm trying to think of
what I'm missing here with I mean, look, you're talking
about all time great players and scorers.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, what they do.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Larry was more clutch in big Larry had the weight
of the world on his team down the stretch in
big moments, and he made shots that we hadn't seen
in that era. But again, the completeness of Jokic's game.
I got to put him. I gotta put him up there.
I mean, I'm you're whittling guys off the potential top
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twenty list.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I'm bumping him ahead of all these guys. So I
think we're there.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think we're there with NICOLEA Jokic as as a
top twenty player.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It feels like the Celtics are hard to root for nationally,
hard to buy into because all we're doing. You know,
there's certain teams in certain sports where you go like Cowboys. Hey,
thirteen regular season wins, I don't care. What are you
going to do in the playoffs? The Celtics are there,
like a wonderful regular season, Now you got to win
(27:52):
a title?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. You know how many
years now, six seven years in a row or six
seven years total, we've seen the Celtics at least the
conference finals, NBA Finals, you know, a couple of years back,
and have been to the mountaintop, but have not yet
won a championship.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
The the hard to root for part of it is
when you go through a regular season that's effectively over
by like Ash Wednesday, like for them, like you're you're
not gonna get behind a team like that. I think
part of the skepticism, though, is that there is a
belief nationally that when the games on the line, Jason
Tatum is not as good as some of the other
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players in key moments like where would you rank Jason
Tatum among the guys that you would trust with the
ball in their hands down the stretch among playoff teams, Dan,
we could probably sit here and name six seven guys
that you know, many people would take in those moments.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So I don't think a lot of that is fair.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think that Tatum has taken a step back this
year in a way to allow Jalen Brown to keep growing,
to allow Porzingis to be a twenty point per game score,
to allow Drew Holiday to get his shots. But I
think there's a perception out there that in tight, competitive
games Jalen Jason Tatum is going to be not a liability,
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but not going to be the greatest option in those moments.
I disagree with it. I think he's going to prove
in these playoffs that he is an elite fourth quarter score,
an elite crunch time player, a guy that can play
out of the high post, the low post and beat
you in a variety different ways. But that is one
of the skepticisms that people have about Boston in this playoffs,
(29:37):
that they've won so many games, huge margin of victory,
blowing teams out across the field when it gets tight
late in games.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Can they rely on Jason Tatem? Good to talk to you, buddy,
Thanks for joining us as always. Can I ask the.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Question Dan before I go.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I've been watching, of course, and I understand you're kind
of Are you making a short list for your potential replacements.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Is that's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Last No, no, I just had somebody who contacted me, and
I was a little bit surprised that the person said,
do I put my name in the hat? And I
said for what? And he said to replace you? And
I said, no, no hat yet. But I mean, I
don't even know if the dan Nets want to continue
to do this. But are you throwing your name in
(30:24):
the hat?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I would I would like to formally formally throw my
name into that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Can we get a hat? Well? Okay, how do you
guys feel about what Mannix just said?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
We're going to need time to process this. This is
out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
No one saw this. Marvin, what do you think.
Speaker 10 (30:42):
NBA talk all day? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, okay, Todd.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
I love Chris.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
That's excellent news that is interested in that.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
So that's your choice. If I run by some other
candidates for you, you're taking Mannix.
Speaker 10 (30:55):
Oh that's really putting me on the spot. Ross Tucker
is a good guy.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I don't know if he's interested.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
But I love Chris Maddicks and I will leave it
at that.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
See what about you?
Speaker 11 (31:04):
I think Chris would be fantastic. I don't know that
it necessarily I want to be much like a Tucker at.
I don't know if I'm going to be a manic
set either, but I think that I think Chris would
be fantastic Paul.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Dan just just to let me, let me make a
briefcase here, right, So I have a good relationship obviously
with the Dannettes.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
As you saw there, PAULI and I Vermont Vermont.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, I was gonna say, Paul, you and I Vermont neighbors,
like we're yes, you know, we're kindred spirits up there.
Uh proximity Dan, I could seamlessly move to Connecticut continue
doing that show right there in that studio.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
No issue with that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And look, I know you you've said that you want
to differentiate the next host from you a little bits.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Why you said you weren't considering the Dannets. Everybody loves you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Everybody hates me, So I mean, that's I think a nice,
nice differentiator there.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There have to be some people who like, yeah, haven't
found him, but we there has to be somebody who
likes Chris Mannings.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Members of Ricky Rubio's family maybe.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Wait, what was that?
Speaker 10 (32:10):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Chris rockshow everybody hates Chris. Hello, we can bring that back.
Everybody hates Chris. Come on in, all right, your name
is officially in the hat.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
All right, that's Chris Mannick, Sports Illustrated, NBA Senior writer.
Take a break back after this.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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I said, is the joker already above Karl.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Malone on the all time list? And he said yes,
and then throw out some other names, and then I said,
what about surpassing Larry Bird And he said yes, And
I went, uh oh, that could be blasphemous, Chris mannics,
but you know, with three MVPs, if he would happen
to win another title. Now, all of a sudden, you
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start to go into a whole different category. There to
be continued there. Chris Haynes was on the sidelines. I
saw him last night All Deck Down, Bleacher Report, NBA Insider,
court side reporter. He was there at the Garden and
got a chance to witness it all. Listen to it all.
Give me what the environment was like with a minute
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to go in the garden, Chris.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
Thanks for having me on VP. It was an incredible experience.
That was my first Nick.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Playoff game working as a Sidelum reporter, so I was
very interested in seeing how that turnout was going to
shape out.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
But it was incredible.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
But that last minute my seat, I have a seat
directly behind the Sixers, bitch, and a minute left into
that game, you know, you're just seeing the Sixers. They're
they're you know, they're pounding their chest, They're they're excited.
They believe they got this game. They believe they're about
to finish this game.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
And you know it was the fans. They were they
were down in Somber.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Looked like we were going back to Philadelphia on one
in one and then it happened. When I say it,
a lot happened, I mean it was it just turned
that place upside down. They're look, I know the call,
the controversial non call holding of Tyrese Maxie and the
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Sixers are have asked the league to review that. They founded,
you know, found a complaint on that. I don't think
anything is going to come of that. But with that
being said, take that away. The Knicks crashed the boards
off his rebounds, dove on the ball, I mean dove
on the floor to get the ball. They wanted it.
(35:01):
They they really wanted it. And that's the thing when
I look at this, when I look at this matchup,
I believe talent wise, I believe Philadelphia has the better
team talent wise. But the Knicks they got some dogs.
They got some dogs over there. Josh hart Hartner's thing,
uh Dante difference. I can't I don't want to mess
(35:23):
up his name. Will always have a hard time saying that.
I only stay with Dante. They got some dogs over there,
and so I think ultimately that's what's that's what's putting
them in favor and putting them ahead as of right now.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Who should be favored?
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Now? You gotta you.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Gotta stay the Knicks. I mean they took they took
care of home court advantage. This is my if I'm
a Sixers fan, my concern going into Game three is
that they might not be over Game two, just the
way that it ended and the complaints that they they
(36:00):
have valid complaints, valid complaints you can obviously see Jalen
Brunson kind of pulled that Tyrese Maxi's on Jersey. Valid complaints,
but you know, there's a time when you have to
kind of move on and you can't let that settle in.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
And I'm not saying that's the case, but you.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Could see a scenario play out in which Game two
might have been the game that broke the series down.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
I don't know Philly still has.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
You know, they got home court down for the next
two days, two games, I should say, but that was
a brutal loss for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Why didn't Philly take a time out?
Speaker 8 (36:39):
Well, Nick Nurse was actually calling the timeout. The ref
looked like he didn't see him or he ignored them.
So you can see on the sideline Nick Nurse trying
to get the rep's attention, but also Kyle Lowry who's
invoalting that ball. He could have they would have seen
him if he would have called a timeout, you know.
So I think it was situation where the ref was,
(37:01):
they were looking at the players, and it's that environment
was loud like DP. It was one of the better
playoff environments I've been in in a long time. So
it was loud, so I can I guess I can
see that the ref probably didn't hear Nick Nurse on
the sideline trying to call a time out.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
But they would have saw the players.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
If Kyle Lowry would have signal for a time out,
I think they would have got it.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, but I'm looking at it right now. It's like
Nick Nurse wants to call the timeout. He hesitates a
little bit there, and then the ball is loose, so
you can't call that time out if the ball is loose.
So I think he missed the opportunity to call the
time out.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Yeah, I mean, and also like Kyle Lowry, you know,
him being a veteran, being a champion, like I believe
he knows they still have a time out left, like
he has to. He has to feel it. You know,
he has a tick. You know, he has a ticking
clock in his head. He understands, you know, it's about
to be close to being a five second call. Like
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he has too. He has to know understand the time
as well. So I don't know what happened right there.
Maybe the players didn't know they had a time out.
I don't know, but that was an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Is Chris Haynes NBA on TNT Courtside Reporter. Next up,
he'll have the heat in the Celtics series for the
next three games. Also check out as Basketball podcast with
Mark Stein hashtag This League Uncut. We had Chris Mannis
on last hour and we were talking about Joker. You
get three MVPs in four years, you get a title,
(38:30):
and at what point does he start to get into
the conversation of all time greats? Not a top ten, certainly,
not yet. But is Joker in that top twenty player
category all time? Let's say, top top twenty in your opinion.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Top twenty. Look, I will say this, and I'm gonna
ask you a question. I'm not gonna dip from it, Okay,
but I heard, you know, I heard Manics say that
he's already better than Karl Malone. Yeah, right, Would you
say Carl Malone is top ten, top fifteen.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
He's not top ten, maybe top fifteen, maybe top.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Fifteen, Okay, So I think talent wise, Joker is a
top ten maybe even hmm, maybe even top eight seven.
I don't maybe talent wise, but as far as we're
talking career, you know, that's where like I kind of
I'm a little bit hesitant on the malone because I
know the championships in the MVP, I get that, but
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it's the longevity.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
It's still something to be said about, you know, having
longevity in this league.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
But with that being said, top twenty, yeah, I would
put him in the top twenty right now, top ten.
I want to see more. I want to see more
because you know, it's like I used to make this.
You know, when Bo Jackson was playing, probably you know,
people at the time were saying he was arguably the
best running back ever just in that timeframe, in that
(39:59):
window that he had, and you can still make the
case like pound for pound, you know, arguably being the
best or one of the best running backs period, but
he didn't have that longevity. So with Joker, that's you know,
I want to see more time and window. But talent wise,
we're talking just talent. Talent wise, he's among the greats.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Is it a good thing that the best players in
the game are from other countries?
Speaker 10 (40:25):
I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, this
is what David Stern wanted.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
He wanted the NBA to branch out and to become
a global game, and it has the world has caught up,
and I think it's good to have different styles of
basketball and different people of different countries and races innicity
representing this game. So I don't I don't see it
as a bad thing at all. And I think if
you're an American, if we're complaining about it, just put
(40:50):
your put your work in and get out there and
try to take them down.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
But I would love to see the US versus the
World at the All Star Game. I do think that
might have a little more country pride, and you know,
then maybe there's a little bit more to it. I mean,
we're at the point now where there's not many other
options to dress this up and make it seem like
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it's an actual game.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
Okay, let me say this DP. You may ask you.
Speaker 8 (41:20):
This sounds cool, sounds sounds like a good idea. I've
heard it before. But the world does the world have
fifteen twelve to fifteen European All Stars?
Speaker 10 (41:34):
Legitimate All Stars? Are we at that stage yet?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well? They get Canada too.
Speaker 10 (41:40):
Still are we at that stage?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well? I know I've got the honest joker.
Speaker 10 (41:46):
You can't. You can't consider MB on.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
The world team anymore. He's playing for the US national team.
So you got the joker Giannis say, Joseph Alexander.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
When bayama him the comma.
Speaker 10 (42:03):
Uh let me see.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, Laurie markinen H now you grasping now, Okay. All
I know is I like my starting five better than
your starting five.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
Okay, Okay, Well, I think I think the US has
to deth Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Chris tops porzingis, you're still the Rudy Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
You throw Rudy in there in there, but you know,
Josh Giddy, all right, before I let you go, you're
running the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
What do you do in the off season.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
I'm checking in with Clay to see what his asking
price is to stay. It's a reasonable price. You bring
them back. I think that's the the fair move. My
concern would be that Clay may feel that he can
get more on the open market.
Speaker 10 (43:07):
But with that being said, uh, you gotta check with Steph.
Speaker 8 (43:11):
If Steph wants the team back in place, you gotta
kind of run with that.
Speaker 10 (43:17):
But you also have to bring in more younger guys.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
And I think they did a good job of incorporating
Cominga and you know they had the big man, Uh,
the big man came through at the center spot, gave
him a just an aerial threat. And then you have
Brandon Pajinski defensive guy hard. Those guys a dog. So
they did a good job and incorporate some young guys.
(43:42):
But I still think ultimately you gotta check in with
Steph to see what he wants. If he feels like
you want to bring those three back, excuse me, Draymond
and Klay Thompson back, I think you kind of kind of.
Speaker 10 (43:53):
Gotta lean that way.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
But with Clay, you definitely have to figure out the
pricing situation.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Okay, would you ask Steph if he would like to
play elsewhere?
Speaker 8 (44:04):
I don't even think I asked that. I can't ask
that question. I can't ask him that question. The reason
I can't why I can't ask him that question because
I think he would think that you guys are thinking
about let me go.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Now, I would just say, out of respect for you
winning a championship, if you feel like you can win
a championship here, then you know we can bring everybody back.
But if if it's important to you with everything you've
done for this franchise, if if it's important to win
another championship and you feel like you have a better
chance elsewhere, then we would try to accommodate that.
Speaker 10 (44:39):
This is why I say I wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (44:41):
I wouldn't ask him that question because there are three
players that I've known that I've covered. I won't name,
but I've covered them throughout their career. Management propose that
question or ask that question, ask them that question, and
they took it as management or ownership is starting to
look in a different direction, and they took it.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
As a slight a right.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
So that's the reason why I said I wouldn't ask
them that question. I think for a player of that caliber,
if that player is still now, I think you could
ask that question. If you know the star player is
on a downhill and here like, you know what we'll
keep because of what you've done for this organization. But
you know, are you you know, are you willing to
go elsewhere? You know they can take it a different way.
(45:26):
But I would let that player. I would let that
player bring that to the table.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Hey, what about Yaka Podal excuse me, the All international team?
I got Yaka Potal.
Speaker 10 (45:44):
There you go, DP. That was my response.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
That's my thing because if we want to go to
the world versus the United States. Then you're going to
have some United States players that feel snubbed because you're
given eight or nine All Star spots to players in
the world who aren't of that caliber yet. So that's
that's the discrepancy, and that's the controversy that I can
(46:08):
see happening.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
How about the Wagners, No, okay, who want to.
Speaker 8 (46:14):
Want to have a game, that's fine, But I'm telling
you right now, okay, there's a lot of players who
have have bonuses. I know, you know, they make the
All Star team, and now you're you're you're taking away
fifteen spots to have the world versus the United States.
So I'm just I'm hey, do it. Do it at
your own risk, Adam Silver and Deepen.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I do love my starting five though.
Speaker 10 (46:39):
Hey that's a good start to five. But it's about this.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
All I know is I got Joker, I got Luca,
I got one Byana, I got Giannis, I got Shay Gilgis.
You can bring whoever you got. We ain't afraid. And
you know what, they're playing the entire game. No bench,
I'm giving you the rest of the roster spots for
(47:05):
the players from the us, I got my five. My
five's on the floor, EPTE.
Speaker 8 (47:11):
Good luck trying to convince their respective coaches, but letting
him play.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
All don't be a buzzkill. Don't be a buzzkill. Come on.
Back in my day, we played every minute. Hey, safe
travels there. Thanks for joining us as always, buddy, thank
you for having me one of our favorites. Chris Haynes
NBA on TNT Courtside Reporter. He's going to be covering
the Heat and Celtics over the next three games and
(47:38):
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Watching the basketball last night wild final thirty seconds, but
(01:30):
the Knicks go up two to oh in the seventy
six ers and then the Nuggets, down twenty beat the
Lakers at the buzzer to go up to oh. Now,
the Lakers led for almost forty five minutes of last
night's loss to the Nuggets, so Denver led for a
total of forty four seconds. All you have to do
(01:52):
is lead for one and that's what they did with
Jamal Murray with the jumper at the buzzer. NBA teams
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(02:14):
on a poll question. By the way, the Joker had
twenty seven, twenty and ten as they pick up the win.
So he said four career playoff games with at least
twenty five points, at least twenty re pounds in at
least ten assist. The rest of the NBA the history
of the NBA has a total of four games. He
(02:34):
has five. The rest of the NBA that includes Kareem
did it once, Dave Cowens did it once, Will Chamberlain
did it twice. The Joker has done it five times
in his career. Stat of the day, Sat of the
day to bust, stat of the day, stat.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Of the day.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Here comes that what stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it's been nearly fifty years since the last player
other than Joker has done this. Dave Cowens, so, Wilt
did it twice, Dave Cowens once, and Kaem did it
once as well. But how many star players MVPs do
you watch and go? He might not take the last
shot because last night he was setting a pick for
(03:21):
Jamal Murray and you had Anthony Davis switch off on
Jamal Murray. But you know you normally think, okay, clear
out the stars, got it. He's going to try to score.
But Joker is so good at passing, like you always
have to be aware of, do we focus on him
and let somebody else beat you. As I've said before,
(03:43):
I don't want the best player on the floor to
beat me. Well, Jamal Murray is You're not going to
write the history of this Nuggets team without Jamal Murray. Now,
he hadn't made an All Star appearance yet, and I
say yet, but he's one of those guys when you
watched certainly in the play and you go, yeah, he's
pretty good, get you get kind of swallowed up into
(04:05):
the vortex of the Joker when Jamal Murray got the ball,
knew what he wanted to do and hit the shot
over Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yes, Mark, did Jamal Murray feel like Jason Terry almost?
Whereas like they don't win that championship without Jason Terry
stepping up in big moments.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, Jason Terry was a sixth man, but yeah, he
was big for Dallas when they won that championship. I
think he might be a little bit above that as
far as name recognition, I mean, he's a starter, second
best player. But you know they have Porter who played
well Gordon that you can sometimes get lost in the
smoke that is Joker. You know you have those players,
(04:45):
you know Chris Middleton, he was always but he had
made an All Star game, but he was like Chris
Middleton's pretty good, or at least he used to be.
Now that star Sometimes like Tyrese Maxey is really good
with the seventy six ers, but you still have Joel Embiid.
Players get lost in the shuffle a little bit there,
and that's probably the case with Jamal Murray. But if
(05:05):
you're the Lakers, I don't know, if you're a Laker
fan today, do you say, man, like, we're there. You know,
we were up by twenty, hey, same as last year.
We're really close. We didn't get blown out. Yeah we
got swept, but we didn't get blown out. Or do
you go, I don't know if we have what it
(05:25):
takes to get over the hump here. Yes, we're up
twenty and then we lost. We've lost a lot of
close games to them. Well, that's the difference between being
good and being great. That's the difference between being eliminated
or advancing. What do you do when you need to
do it? And that's what Denver did last night. You know,
(05:47):
even the Knicks, I mean, it was a wild, frenetic
pace there in the final thirty seconds, and it was like,
what is going on here? Well, seventy six ers, you
can't blow that kind of lead with thirty seconds to go.
Did you get an offensive rebound when you were supposed to?
Did you make both of your free throws? Did you
call the time out? Could you get the ball in?
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Did you leave somebody open for a wide open three? Like,
that's not what you know good teams, well coached teams do.
And I really wondered about that with Nick Nurse last night.
Call timeout, kind of get everybody together here, and you
got a heroic performance out of Joe ellenb I mean,
he's clearly gassed at the very end, he's doing his best.
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He put up good numbers. Maxi is a star. As
I've said the last couple of years. Thought he was
an all star. But the little things and the little
things came back to haunt the Lakers. The little things
came back and haunted the seventy six ers last night.
Here is the Knicks, the last two buckets they had.
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This is MSG with Mike Breen on the call eight.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
On the twenty four Deven Chunzel, Contada, Brunson, sidestep putter,
shut catch god tough top bouncing one in two point game,
whoa knock loose and Maxie gets knocked down. Heart takes
it away, I'll top to defen Chuns on his shot,
don't go, hearts teign the rebound.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Hartenstein gets it out to Ananobi defen Chuns on a
three bun dam.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Next take a one pointly but thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Remaining a double bound.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Mike Breen take up.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Wow, that was fun. I watched it and I'm still
getting goosebumps with just that call. But uh, the Knicks,
and you think of the Sixers, and you think of
maybe Kawhi's shot that beat the Sixers in the playoffs
years ago when they went on to win the title,
and it just kind of hung the uh and then
it drops And then I thought that last night when
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they got the friendly roll with with Brunson. But Joel
Embiid says, they're still gonna win this series.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
We should be torn to know, so you know we're
go we're gonna win this series.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You know we we're gonna win this.
Speaker 9 (08:14):
We know what we gotta fix and we did about
a job to this, so we're gonna fix it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But with a better team were gonna keep fighting. Okay,
you might have more talent than the Knicks, that doesn't
make you a better team because the better team usually wins,
not the team with the most talent. The better team,
and the Knicks did what they needed to do when
they needed to do it, and the seventy six ers didn't.
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The same with the Lakers. This is how it sounded
last night. On the final play of Jamal Murray's jumper
dunting with the time out, we are time.
Speaker 10 (08:50):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Don't call it tie ball game.
Speaker 8 (08:53):
Worst can happen, and we got all the time Murray
makes and moves.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So Kevin Harlan with the call. There as Murray hits
the shot, goes into the bench, Anthony Davis falls into
the bench, and Denver ends up pulling out that victory.
Here is Lebron talking about what it's like to play Denver.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
I mean, we know they're a great Office of power team.
You know, we know they're going to get into a
rhythm mess on point.
Speaker 10 (09:29):
We're not.
Speaker 9 (09:29):
They're going to make runs, especially on their home floor,
just out to withstand him, and you know, I think
we did. Obviously, we give up a twenty point lead,
and you know that's unfortunate, but twenty point leads in
this league is not It's not safe, especially against the
defending champion. We've got to do better with that. But
we had our chances.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
They have had their chances this year and last year.
And maybe it's just Denver has an answer for every
question that the Lakers pose. Because I'm watching last night
and I go, okay, Lakers in a good rhythm here,
just seemed like to start and stop, couldn't get a
flow going. It's same with the Sixers against the Knicks.
Sometimes we watch the first half and you go, okay,
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most games aren't won in the first half, where you go, lad,
we're up, We're up by fifteen, up by twelve, we
go into halftime up by ten. It's the adjustments that
are made third and fourth quarter. In all sports, you
have that who makes a late adjustment, who does the
right thing at the right time. And last night it
was just you could feel Denver. You could feel it,
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and then you could if you're a Laker fan, you
could almost feel it like slipping away, like hold on,
hold on, hold on, Yes, Mark.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The Nuggets now feel like the Warriors during their run.
We're that third quarter, the Warriors would just turn it on. Yeah,
and your lead was gone, no matter how big of
a lead that you had.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Here's Anthony Davis being asked about guarding Jamal Murray, and.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You get that last play and just what happened and
what unfolded?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What was I don't know if you were screened or
what happened.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
On that last play, Jamalo.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, all right, that's a lot of detail there. Slow down.
I got to write all of this down. But he
got switched out on him.
Speaker 10 (11:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think Jamal Murray saw if AD came out on him,
then he's going to take him off the dribble because
D'Angelo Russell was guarding him. But man, I love a
guy who wants to take the shot, like Dante DiVincenzo
was taking some big shots last night. And Philadelphia has
done a really good job on Brunson. But you know,
once again, do you try to shut down the star
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and then let everybody else around him try to fill in?
You know, Joker? Do I just play him straight up? Manda. Man,
he's going to get his points. I just don't want
him to get his ship. But he has ten assists
last night and that's sometimes the difference where your big
man gets his points, but then he's not getting anything else.
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But joker man, you got to pick your poison. And
he doesn't seem bothered. If you take the shot or
I take the shot where I set you up to
take the shot, he has no problem. He checks his
ego at the door. But a lot of fun last night. Oh,
by the way, the Witness Protection Program gave us the
cabs against Orlando last night. They should put that on it,
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like four in the afternoon. They should just to say, hey,
you know, watch these Orlando great story this year and
Donovan Mitchell great watched them. Jared Allen had a wonderful
performance last night. Rebounds and points. Maybe put it on
where you can see it or where you would watch
it where you normally wouldn't. I have a friends in
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family viewing for Cleveland and Orlando. But Cleveland goes up
getting the win. Jalen Suggs banged up a little bit. Uh.
They he left the court and then he came back.
But don't know what the update is going to be
for his availability.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yes, Marvin Saturday, everybody one o'clock Saturday. Yeah, Cleveland at
Orlando on TNT.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Okay, TNT plus, Yes, extra, CNTs Our guys, True TV,
True TV.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, yes, uh. Donovan Mitchell had twenty three Jared Allen
had sixteen points and twenty rebounds. So all right, playoff basketball.
I mean it was kind of nondescript Game one in
most of these series except for the Pelicans. But you know,
this was fun. It was fun last night. You had
some exciting finishes there. All right, what's poll question today, Seaton? Well,
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you want to go with something after the break? We can,
because I was thinking who's in more? Who's in more trouble?
The Lakers or the seventy six ers.
Speaker 11 (14:04):
So I had a version of that version be okay,
a little more positive though, because I'm more of a
glasses half fall are the guy?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Are you that's right? Okay? All right, well then we'll
see your version. I might have an aversion to your version,
that version to your version. Yes, So we'll take a break.
We're just getting started.
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Speaker 2 (15:16):
I had mentioned I had some Joker stats for you.
Percentage of games where this player took the most shots
for his team this season Luca eighty five percent of
the games, Shay Gilgis, Alexander eighty six percent of the games,
Joker fifty three percent. Also, I was wondering where, like,
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if you looked at MVP seasons, where would Joker rank
among these players the fewest shots for an MVP of
a season. And we got our stats guy John Tuvey
working on this. Joker was nineteenth in the NBA during
the regular season in shot attempts. Teams had two players
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who averaged more shot attempts than Joker did this year,
the seventy six Ers, Celtic Sons and the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
The stat of the day of the day, Here it
comes the stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yay, stat of the day.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Here it comes the stat of the day. The stat
of the Day brought you by Panini America, the official
trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Chris Mannix, He'll
be in Boston tomorrow night Game two between the Heat
and Celtics. Always great to have him on the Sports
Illustrated NBA senior writer. Let me start with Joker. Can
you remember an MVP in a season who averaged less shots?
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I don't know if Steve Nash would be somebody, but
how many MVPs average fewer shots than Joker does during
the regular season?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, top of my head, Steve Nash would be the
only one that comes to mind because he was a
playmaker and a lot of his production. The reason was
the MVP came off of CIS. But Jokic just does
it and dominates in unique ways every game. I mean,
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watching that game last night, it was the offensive rebounding
that was dominant. It was the playmaking that was dominant.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
One thing that struck me in that final sequence where
Jamal Murray made that shot. If you rewind the tape
a little bit and you look at the moments after
the defensive rebound by Denver the instant they got the
ball in their hands, Jokic was already orchestrating that final play.
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He was waving guys around and gave them position, she said,
somebody and I forgot who was over from the right
side of the play to the left, essentially to clear
room for what was a developing two man game between
himself and Jamal Murray. So great shot by Jamal Murray
in the face of Anthony Davis. But give Jokic's credit
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in part for kind of clearing that room for him,
giving him enough space to operate. You know, it's plays
like that that make NIKOLEA Jokic so special.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I'm trying to understand how a Laker fan can spin
this in a positive way. That you were up twenty
and it feels like they're trying to win games in
the first half, like let's go out and use all
of our energy, and then they limped to the finish line.
You've been close with Denver. Even last year when they
got swept, they weren't getting blown out. So I'm trying
to figure out, if I'm a Laker fan, what positives
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do I take away from losing back to back games.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I mean, I think among the positives was how well
D'Angelo Russell played in the first half, how well Anthony
Davis played in the first half. Both those guys seem
to run out of gas though in in the second.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I mean Davis, you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Know, had he had a great regular season, played seventy
six games, the most games he's played in his NBA career,
averaged more minutes per game than he has at a
times since his New Orleans days. But you start to wonder,
watching a series like this, if there's enough gas left
in the tank for Anthony Davis to be a dominant
two way player for thirty five thirty six minutes. I mean,
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on the defensive end. In the fourth quarter, nikol Jokicic
was was great. I mean, a ad is as good
as he is defensively, he just couldn't do much to
stop him in the post. And with Russell, Dan I
said coming into this series, the only way the Lakers
can win is if D'Angelo Russell is the kind of
player we've seen in the regular season and not in
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the games he's played against Denver. I mean the Conference
finals last year, Dan, the Nuggets played D'Angelo Russell right
off the floor. I mean he was benched in the
Conference Finals. First half of Game two, he had eighteen points,
made six of seven from three point range. He was
one of four from three point range the rest of
the way, just five points in that second half. I mean,
you can draw a line between D'Angelo Russell, you know,
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being a effective offensive player to that fifteen point lead
the Lakers built to you know that, you know, collapse
so to speak in the second half. So both those
guys have to find a way to play four full
quarters to give the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
A chance better chance of coming back. The Lakers are
seventy six ers.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm gonna give the seventy six ers a better chance
of coming back. But that was just heartbreaking. I mean,
the Knicks, Reggie Millard, the seventy six ers down the stretch,
like the run they had in that final fifteen to
twenty seconds, whatever it was, I haven't seen anything like it.
An MSG since Reggie Miller did what he did so
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many years ago.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And I mean credit the Knicks that just they just
never stopped playing.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like you know, Jalen Brunson has had a terrible series statistically,
he has shot under thirty percent in the first two
games of this series, but he's still has the confidence
to make that shot. Dante DiVincenzo misses one shot on
the wing, makes the second at the top of the
key in Philadelphia. I mean, what are we doing down
the stretch there? You call a time out when you
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need it. On the inbounds, you don't. If you're Kyle Lowry,
don't just flip the ball in to Tyrese Maxi on
that inbound play.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Don't put him in the position that he was in.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I know a lot of the focus dan is on
the refereeing and should they have called the foul down
the stretch?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Maybe, But the Sixers blew that game.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
They couldn't come up with an offensive rebound or defensive
rebound when they needed it, and they made multiple poor
plays in that final minute that allowed the Knicks to,
you know, keep that door open to win that game.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What do the Nuggets have to do to be labeled
one of the great teams.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I mean, multiple championships is kind of It kind of
opens the door for you. It puts you in that
rarefied air of teams that have won multiple championship and
then you kind of bump them up a tier from there, Like,
you know, does three championships put them in the mix
with the early aughts Lakers that won free straight with
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with Shaq and Kobe, the Celtics, and the Lakers of
the nineteen age. You start talking about them as being
in that conversation. So I think it starts with two
championships and then you build from there.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it's kind of like the Rockets when they won
back to back titles. That might be example, because you know,
when we're saying, you know, do I think they're one
of the great teams? I don't, But I think if
you're gonna be labeled great, it's got to be more
than one year.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think they might be, though, Dan, because it's not
like this is the final chapter of their their run.
They've got most of that team under long term contract,
and most of that team is in or in the
case of someone like Michael Porter Junior, just entering the
prime of their careers. Mean, Porter Junior's year was sensational,
a guy that you know, many people wondered if you
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would ever be able to play the kind of season
that he did, played what like eighty plus games this year.
I mean, that's just an incredible accomplishment for MPJA. I mean,
Jokic is incredibly durable. Mury's had his bumps along the way,
but he's still young. I mean, you know, anything can
happen this year because the playoffs in the Western Conference
especially are going to be brutal. But I think this
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team's window is probably three or four more years to
win championships.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
We're talking to Chris Mannix, the senior writer for the
NBA with Sports Illustrated. But Joker, now with the third
MVP coming up, like now, all of a sudden, we
start to get into a little bit more interesting conversation
with him. That a nice story. Oh I got another MVP.
Well let's see if you can win a title. Oh
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you got a title. Now you get another MVP. Favor
to win another title. At what point does he start
to get into that top twenty players of all time conversation?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I mean, I think we're there, aren't we?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I mean, he's a top twenty player of all time.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I'd have to make it.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know, I haven't made a list lately, but yeah,
I mean a third MVP. There's only a handful of
guys that have done that, so at some point, the
results speak for themselves and the completeness of his game
at that position.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, If I said Durant or Joker, who's going to
be ranked higher when their careers are over?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
When their careers are over, I would say Jokic will
probably be ranked higher.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, Yannis, that's a.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Tougher one because Yiannis is still in his prime and
Yannis this year he's gonna finish top five MVP. He's
not going to fish inside the top three, but he
had a insane statistical season and he is a two
way player. He's as good defensively most nights as he
is offensively.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I'm gonna say Jokic, but.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's a lot closer Karl Malone.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I mean Jokic probably because of the championship and whatever
happens over the next three I think he's gonna get
at least one. More so, I think three MVPs and
two championships nudges him above Malone, he just being me.
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Probably Jokic. I mean, Dirk revolutionized the game, made shooting three,
made half the things that Jokic does now. And Vogue,
I mean Jokic probably in a way learned some of
the game from from Dirk Davitsky, or or figured out
how to play a certain way because of Dirk Navitsky.
I just think I just think Jokic is the completeness
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of his game, Like he's a playmaker where Dirk wasn't,
not to that level. He's a rebounder I think better
than than Dirk. I mean, you can you give the
ball to Dirk in the high post in his prime
and good night, that's an eighteen footer that's going in
seventy five percent of the time. You give the ball
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to Jokic and you don't know what's gonna happen. He
could shoot a fadeaway jump shot himself in a high percentage.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
He can go to the basket.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You saw him get to the free throw line a
lot and down the stretch against Anthony Davis. Or he
can make the right play and find an open teammate
for three. Jokic's ability to dissect the defense. I think
probably separates in from Dirk as well.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I get so much hate mail from like a hate
more hate message than usual because of this debate.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Probably Jokic as well. I I, you know, I wait, do.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You really mean that? I? Are you crying right now?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm not crying, I'm I'm I'm trying to think of
what I'm missing here with I mean, look, you're talking
about all time great players and scorers.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, what they do.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Larry was more clutch in big Larry had the weight
of the world on his team down the stretch in
big moments, and he made shots that we hadn't seen
in that era. But again, the completeness of Jokic's game.
I got to put him. I gotta put him up there.
I mean, I'm you're whittling guys off the potential top
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twenty list.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I'm bumping him ahead of all these guys. So I
think we're there.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think we're there with NICOLEA Jokic as as a
top twenty player.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It feels like the Celtics are hard to root for nationally,
hard to buy into because all we're doing. You know,
there's certain teams in certain sports where you go like Cowboys. Hey,
thirteen regular season wins, I don't care. What are you
going to do in the playoffs? The Celtics are there,
like a wonderful regular season, Now you got to win
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a title?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. You know how many
years now, six seven years in a row or six
seven years total, we've seen the Celtics at least the
conference finals, NBA Finals, you know, a couple of years back,
and have been to the mountaintop, but have not yet
won a championship.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
The the hard to root for part of it is
when you go through a regular season that's effectively over
by like Ash Wednesday, like for them, like you're you're
not gonna get behind a team like that. I think
part of the skepticism, though, is that there is a
belief nationally that when the games on the line, Jason
Tatum is not as good as some of the other
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players in key moments like where would you rank Jason
Tatum among the guys that you would trust with the
ball in their hands down the stretch among playoff teams, Dan,
we could probably sit here and name six seven guys
that you know, many people would take in those moments.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So I don't think a lot of that is fair.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think that Tatum has taken a step back this
year in a way to allow Jalen Brown to keep growing,
to allow Porzingis to be a twenty point per game score,
to allow Drew Holiday to get his shots. But I
think there's a perception out there that in tight, competitive
games Jalen Jason Tatum is going to be not a liability,
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but not going to be the greatest option in those moments.
I disagree with it. I think he's going to prove
in these playoffs that he is an elite fourth quarter score,
an elite crunch time player, a guy that can play
out of the high post, the low post and beat
you in a variety different ways. But that is one
of the skepticisms that people have about Boston in this playoffs,
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that they've won so many games, huge margin of victory,
blowing teams out across the field when it gets tight
late in games.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Can they rely on Jason Tatem? Good to talk to you, buddy,
Thanks for joining us as always. Can I ask the.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Question Dan before I go.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I've been watching, of course, and I understand you're kind
of Are you making a short list for your potential replacements.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Is that's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Last No, no, I just had somebody who contacted me, and
I was a little bit surprised that the person said,
do I put my name in the hat? And I
said for what? And he said to replace you? And
I said, no, no hat yet. But I mean, I
don't even know if the dan Nets want to continue
to do this. But are you throwing your name in
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the hat?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I would I would like to formally formally throw my
name into that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Can we get a hat? Well? Okay, how do you
guys feel about what Mannix just said?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
We're going to need time to process this. This is
out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
No one saw this. Marvin, what do you think.
Speaker 10 (30:42):
NBA talk all day? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, okay, Todd.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
I love Chris.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
That's excellent news that is interested in that.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
So that's your choice. If I run by some other
candidates for you, you're taking Mannix.
Speaker 10 (30:55):
Oh that's really putting me on the spot. Ross Tucker
is a good guy.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I don't know if he's interested.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
But I love Chris Maddicks and I will leave it
at that.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
See what about you?
Speaker 11 (31:04):
I think Chris would be fantastic. I don't know that
it necessarily I want to be much like a Tucker at.
I don't know if I'm going to be a manic
set either, but I think that I think Chris would
be fantastic Paul.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Dan just just to let me, let me make a
briefcase here, right, So I have a good relationship obviously
with the Dannettes.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
As you saw there, PAULI and I Vermont Vermont.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, I was gonna say, Paul, you and I Vermont neighbors,
like we're yes, you know, we're kindred spirits up there.
Uh proximity Dan, I could seamlessly move to Connecticut continue
doing that show right there in that studio.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
No issue with that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And look, I know you you've said that you want
to differentiate the next host from you a little bits.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Why you said you weren't considering the Dannets. Everybody loves you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Everybody hates me, So I mean, that's I think a nice,
nice differentiator there.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There have to be some people who like, yeah, haven't
found him, but we there has to be somebody who
likes Chris Mannings.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Members of Ricky Rubio's family maybe.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Wait, what was that?
Speaker 10 (32:10):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Chris rockshow everybody hates Chris. Hello, we can bring that back.
Everybody hates Chris. Come on in, all right, your name
is officially in the hat.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
All right, that's Chris Mannick, Sports Illustrated, NBA Senior writer.
Take a break back after this.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Mannigs on. He covers the NBA for Sports Illustrated and
I said, is the joker already above Karl.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Malone on the all time list? And he said yes,
and then throw out some other names, and then I said,
what about surpassing Larry Bird And he said yes, And
I went, uh oh, that could be blasphemous, Chris mannics,
but you know, with three MVPs, if he would happen
to win another title. Now, all of a sudden, you
(33:12):
start to go into a whole different category. There to
be continued there. Chris Haynes was on the sidelines. I
saw him last night All Deck Down, Bleacher Report, NBA Insider,
court side reporter. He was there at the Garden and
got a chance to witness it all. Listen to it all.
Give me what the environment was like with a minute
(33:34):
to go in the garden, Chris.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
Thanks for having me on VP. It was an incredible experience.
That was my first Nick.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Playoff game working as a Sidelum reporter, so I was
very interested in seeing how that turnout was going to
shape out.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
But it was incredible.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
But that last minute my seat, I have a seat
directly behind the Sixers, bitch, and a minute left into
that game, you know, you're just seeing the Sixers. They're
they're you know, they're pounding their chest, They're they're excited.
They believe they got this game. They believe they're about
to finish this game.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
And you know it was the fans. They were they
were down in Somber.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Looked like we were going back to Philadelphia on one
in one and then it happened. When I say it,
a lot happened, I mean it was it just turned
that place upside down. They're look, I know the call,
the controversial non call holding of Tyrese Maxie and the
(34:40):
Sixers are have asked the league to review that. They founded,
you know, found a complaint on that. I don't think
anything is going to come of that. But with that
being said, take that away. The Knicks crashed the boards
off his rebounds, dove on the ball, I mean dove
on the floor to get the ball. They wanted it.
(35:01):
They they really wanted it. And that's the thing when
I look at this, when I look at this matchup,
I believe talent wise, I believe Philadelphia has the better
team talent wise. But the Knicks they got some dogs.
They got some dogs over there. Josh hart Hartner's thing,
uh Dante difference. I can't I don't want to mess
(35:23):
up his name. Will always have a hard time saying that.
I only stay with Dante. They got some dogs over there,
and so I think ultimately that's what's that's what's putting
them in favor and putting them ahead as of right now.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Who should be favored?
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Now? You gotta you.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Gotta stay the Knicks. I mean they took they took
care of home court advantage. This is my if I'm
a Sixers fan, my concern going into Game three is
that they might not be over Game two, just the
way that it ended and the complaints that they they
(36:00):
have valid complaints, valid complaints you can obviously see Jalen
Brunson kind of pulled that Tyrese Maxi's on Jersey. Valid complaints,
but you know, there's a time when you have to
kind of move on and you can't let that settle in.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
And I'm not saying that's the case, but you.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Could see a scenario play out in which Game two
might have been the game that broke the series down.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
I don't know Philly still has.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
You know, they got home court down for the next
two days, two games, I should say, but that was
a brutal loss for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Why didn't Philly take a time out?
Speaker 8 (36:39):
Well, Nick Nurse was actually calling the timeout. The ref
looked like he didn't see him or he ignored them.
So you can see on the sideline Nick Nurse trying
to get the rep's attention, but also Kyle Lowry who's
invoalting that ball. He could have they would have seen
him if he would have called a timeout, you know.
So I think it was situation where the ref was,
(37:01):
they were looking at the players, and it's that environment
was loud like DP. It was one of the better
playoff environments I've been in in a long time. So
it was loud, so I can I guess I can
see that the ref probably didn't hear Nick Nurse on
the sideline trying to call a time out.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
But they would have saw the players.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
If Kyle Lowry would have signal for a time out,
I think they would have got it.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, but I'm looking at it right now. It's like
Nick Nurse wants to call the timeout. He hesitates a
little bit there, and then the ball is loose, so
you can't call that time out if the ball is loose.
So I think he missed the opportunity to call the
time out.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Yeah, I mean, and also like Kyle Lowry, you know,
him being a veteran, being a champion, like I believe
he knows they still have a time out left, like
he has to. He has to feel it. You know,
he has a tick. You know, he has a ticking
clock in his head. He understands, you know, it's about
to be close to being a five second call. Like
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he has too. He has to know understand the time
as well. So I don't know what happened right there.
Maybe the players didn't know they had a time out.
I don't know, but that was an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Is Chris Haynes NBA on TNT Courtside Reporter. Next up,
he'll have the heat in the Celtics series for the
next three games. Also check out as Basketball podcast with
Mark Stein hashtag This League Uncut. We had Chris Mannis
on last hour and we were talking about Joker. You
get three MVPs in four years, you get a title,
(38:30):
and at what point does he start to get into
the conversation of all time greats? Not a top ten, certainly,
not yet. But is Joker in that top twenty player
category all time? Let's say, top top twenty in your opinion.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Top twenty. Look, I will say this, and I'm gonna
ask you a question. I'm not gonna dip from it, Okay,
but I heard, you know, I heard Manics say that
he's already better than Karl Malone. Yeah, right, Would you
say Carl Malone is top ten, top fifteen.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
He's not top ten, maybe top fifteen, maybe top.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Fifteen, Okay, So I think talent wise, Joker is a
top ten maybe even hmm, maybe even top eight seven.
I don't maybe talent wise, but as far as we're
talking career, you know, that's where like I kind of
I'm a little bit hesitant on the malone because I
know the championships in the MVP, I get that, but
(39:33):
it's the longevity.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
It's still something to be said about, you know, having
longevity in this league.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
But with that being said, top twenty, yeah, I would
put him in the top twenty right now, top ten.
I want to see more. I want to see more
because you know, it's like I used to make this.
You know, when Bo Jackson was playing, probably you know,
people at the time were saying he was arguably the
best running back ever just in that timeframe, in that
(39:59):
window that he had, and you can still make the
case like pound for pound, you know, arguably being the
best or one of the best running backs period, but
he didn't have that longevity. So with Joker, that's you know,
I want to see more time and window. But talent wise,
we're talking just talent. Talent wise, he's among the greats.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Is it a good thing that the best players in
the game are from other countries?
Speaker 10 (40:25):
I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, this
is what David Stern wanted.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
He wanted the NBA to branch out and to become
a global game, and it has the world has caught up,
and I think it's good to have different styles of
basketball and different people of different countries and races innicity
representing this game. So I don't I don't see it
as a bad thing at all. And I think if
you're an American, if we're complaining about it, just put
(40:50):
your put your work in and get out there and
try to take them down.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
But I would love to see the US versus the
World at the All Star Game. I do think that
might have a little more country pride, and you know,
then maybe there's a little bit more to it. I mean,
we're at the point now where there's not many other
options to dress this up and make it seem like
(41:16):
it's an actual game.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
Okay, let me say this DP. You may ask you.
Speaker 8 (41:20):
This sounds cool, sounds sounds like a good idea. I've
heard it before. But the world does the world have
fifteen twelve to fifteen European All Stars?
Speaker 10 (41:34):
Legitimate All Stars? Are we at that stage yet?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well? They get Canada too.
Speaker 10 (41:40):
Still are we at that stage?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well? I know I've got the honest joker.
Speaker 10 (41:46):
You can't. You can't consider MB on.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
The world team anymore. He's playing for the US national team.
So you got the joker Giannis say, Joseph Alexander.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
When bayama him the comma.
Speaker 10 (42:03):
Uh let me see.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, Laurie markinen H now you grasping now, Okay. All
I know is I like my starting five better than
your starting five.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
Okay, Okay, Well, I think I think the US has
to deth Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Chris tops porzingis, you're still the Rudy Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
You throw Rudy in there in there, but you know,
Josh Giddy, all right, before I let you go, you're
running the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
What do you do in the off season.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
I'm checking in with Clay to see what his asking
price is to stay. It's a reasonable price. You bring
them back. I think that's the the fair move. My
concern would be that Clay may feel that he can
get more on the open market.
Speaker 10 (43:07):
But with that being said, uh, you gotta check with Steph.
Speaker 8 (43:11):
If Steph wants the team back in place, you gotta
kind of run with that.
Speaker 10 (43:17):
But you also have to bring in more younger guys.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
And I think they did a good job of incorporating
Cominga and you know they had the big man, Uh,
the big man came through at the center spot, gave
him a just an aerial threat. And then you have
Brandon Pajinski defensive guy hard. Those guys a dog. So
they did a good job and incorporate some young guys.
(43:42):
But I still think ultimately you gotta check in with
Steph to see what he wants. If he feels like
you want to bring those three back, excuse me, Draymond
and Klay Thompson back, I think you kind of kind of.
Speaker 10 (43:53):
Gotta lean that way.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
But with Clay, you definitely have to figure out the
pricing situation.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Okay, would you ask Steph if he would like to
play elsewhere?
Speaker 8 (44:04):
I don't even think I asked that. I can't ask
that question. I can't ask him that question. The reason
I can't why I can't ask him that question because
I think he would think that you guys are thinking
about let me go.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Now, I would just say, out of respect for you
winning a championship, if you feel like you can win
a championship here, then you know we can bring everybody back.
But if if it's important to you with everything you've
done for this franchise, if if it's important to win
another championship and you feel like you have a better
chance elsewhere, then we would try to accommodate that.
Speaker 10 (44:39):
This is why I say I wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (44:41):
I wouldn't ask him that question because there are three
players that I've known that I've covered. I won't name,
but I've covered them throughout their career. Management propose that
question or ask that question, ask them that question, and
they took it as management or ownership is starting to
look in a different direction, and they took it.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
As a slight a right.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
So that's the reason why I said I wouldn't ask
them that question. I think for a player of that caliber,
if that player is still now, I think you could
ask that question. If you know the star player is
on a downhill and here like, you know what we'll
keep because of what you've done for this organization. But
you know, are you you know, are you willing to
go elsewhere? You know they can take it a different way.
(45:26):
But I would let that player. I would let that
player bring that to the table.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Hey, what about Yaka Podal excuse me, the All international team?
I got Yaka Potal.
Speaker 10 (45:44):
There you go, DP. That was my response.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
That's my thing because if we want to go to
the world versus the United States. Then you're going to
have some United States players that feel snubbed because you're
given eight or nine All Star spots to players in
the world who aren't of that caliber yet. So that's
that's the discrepancy, and that's the controversy that I can
(46:08):
see happening.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
How about the Wagners, No, okay, who want to.
Speaker 8 (46:14):
Want to have a game, that's fine, But I'm telling
you right now, okay, there's a lot of players who
have have bonuses. I know, you know, they make the
All Star team, and now you're you're you're taking away
fifteen spots to have the world versus the United States.
So I'm just I'm hey, do it. Do it at
your own risk, Adam Silver and Deepen.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I do love my starting five though.
Speaker 10 (46:39):
Hey that's a good start to five. But it's about this.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
All I know is I got Joker, I got Luca,
I got one Byana, I got Giannis, I got Shay Gilgis.
You can bring whoever you got. We ain't afraid. And
you know what, they're playing the entire game. No bench,
I'm giving you the rest of the roster spots for
(47:05):
the players from the us, I got my five. My
five's on the floor, EPTE.
Speaker 8 (47:11):
Good luck trying to convince their respective coaches, but letting
him play.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
All don't be a buzzkill. Don't be a buzzkill. Come on.
Back in my day, we played every minute. Hey, safe
travels there. Thanks for joining us as always, buddy, thank
you for having me one of our favorites. Chris Haynes
NBA on TNT Courtside Reporter. He's going to be covering
the Heat and Celtics over the next three games and
(47:38):
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