April 24, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan is ready for tomorrow’s NFL Draft and he’s all over it this morning. Plus, he reacts to the breaking news that Reggie Bush is getting his Heisman Trophy back.
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Yes, Paul, I love it because I don't have to
go to the mall. Yeah, I just never want to
go to the mall again. I just want to get
a good gift. Give it to her, everyone smiles and
move on.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
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Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, then you can just take credit and rightfully so
Oh yes, Ton.
Speaker 8 (02:45):
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maybe your mom or your wife's maybe gonna just pick
it one and you'll be able to eat the rest
of them.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yes, you didn't know you needed cinnamon rolls. But there's
gourmet cinnamon rolls, there's luggage there, even took care of
breakfast for you.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Foot massage or like you got it. It's a whole day.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So she wakes up, there's cinnamon rolls there, gourmet, and
then there's gonna be something else, and then something else
and then maybe look it's else. Yeah, we have breaking news.
Let's guess the breaking news game.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Wow, this just came through. We're gonna play. I don't
think anyone else in the room has seen this. It
just came into the inbox. Okay, this is breaking football news.
It's not NFL Draft related. I'm gonna try to give
you guys a hint that I know.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
I appreciate that, Thank you, because.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
It's more shocking. This is a shocking news story. Tom
Brady's coming back. I would say this is much more
shocking because I never thought this would happen. I really truly,
and we were had a role in this story a
little bit something was taken away from someone years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Heisman.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
According to Pete Thamil, the college football reporter for s Exclusive,
Reggie Bush is getting his two thousand and five Heisman
Trophy back. ESPN has learned with a formal reinstatement of
the trophy coming today. So not only will we get
the trophy back, it appears from what I'm reading, he
will be the Heisman Trophy winner. It'll be put back
on the list. The decision comes amid with the Heisman
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Trust calls enormous changes in the college football landscape. Wow,
it's happening today.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, but what he is guilty of would still be
a violation, now would It's not nil.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yeah, he would have to go through proper channels to
get permission to do the things he did.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Because he got loans or a loan and then didn't
pay back the loan.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
From a marketing company. Yes, yes, they fronted him money
they hoped he would sign. As part of the decision Wednesday,
the Heisman Schuster's returning the physical trophy to Bridgie at
a replica to USC. Bush will again be invited to
all future Heisman Trophy ceremonies beginning in the twenty twenty
four season. Okay, wow, I would have bet the opposite
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way on this one.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
What does that mean for USC?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Does USC get anything restored here?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yes, they should get their wins back?
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Oh, that's an interesting topic because that's an NCAA decision.
The Heisman Trust has its own entity. But yes, that's
a fair question.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
The guy that got you in all of that trouble
has now been well, everything has changed, so now you're
not in trouble anymore. You should be getting all of
those winds back. Pete Carroll should get his whole everything
should be expunged.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Do you think that the Heisman Trust did this without
talking to the NCAA.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
I'm looking at the story and there's nothing in the
story from what I've just read it that the NSA
was involved.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
That would be extremely shortsighted if they didn't think of
the NCAA.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yes, well, the NSA can ignore this completely, which they're
very good at.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, but there's conflicting messages here. I would be surprised.
Maybe can we reach out to a friend at the
Heisman absolutely and see if he can help us understand
did they bounce this off the NC DOUBLEA because it
it does impact the NC DOUBLEA With USC. I guess
Reggie Bush gonna be the only one who is the
only benefactor here.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
USC will get a physical trophy back. They always have
a replica.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't think they care about having a physical trophy.
It's the other stuff that you know. This, you know,
decimated USC for years.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
According to the story, the NIL changes in twenty twenty
one kind of put this on the front burner for
the Heisman Trust.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I understand that you could get somebody to give you
a loan. He didn't pay back the loan. If he
paid back the loan, then there wouldn't have been an issue.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
He wouldn't have been rated out to Yahoo Sport.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yes, so I'm a little confused here because current nil. Yes,
he could get a loan, but you know he still
has to pay back the loan, which he didn't do.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
USC sanctions from that investigation, including the bcs VIA vacating
the two thousand and four national title, the first time
a major college football champion have been stripped of its championship.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, are they going to say to Ohio State and
Jim Tressel, Hey, guys, you know we're gonna give you
something back here for the tattoo gate that they had
exchanging jerseys for tattoos. Are they gonna allow I mean,
are we going back now and rewriting history here because nio.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
As you could get an nil deal with a tattoo parlor? Yes,
and he all right, let's just all get tattoos sick.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Then I don't have to give up my jerseys. Yeah, Okay,
I'm a little confused. Let's be before I overreact to it.
Let's we're just reacting. Let's see if we can get
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Seaton poll question.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Let's say, well, draft related, we have a draft one
and an NBA one.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Which would you prefer?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Let me do draft to right now?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Okay, Well, we have similar versions of a poll question.
Quarterback you think won't work out or quarterback with the
most question marks in this draft.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Drake May will join us in an hour from now.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Are you going to say that?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know I'm saying we have a quarterback, but you
need to have a pause there. Okay, wow, let me
give that a moment here. Drake May will join us
coming up next hour. I don't think he's ready to start.
And if I'm Drake May, I hope the Patriots don't
draft me. I'd rather be drafted later. If I'm Drake May,
then I would go to the Patriots because there's nothing
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going on there. I'd rather be drafted by the Rams.
I don't want to go to the Patriots. They're not
ready to win and maybe their approach, the Patriots approach
is hey, how about we build a decent team and
then we bring in our quarterback, because I don't want
to put that pressure on a quarterback and go, hey
mac Jones, go out there, make some magic.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Oh you can't. Oh you're a bust. Yes, Tom, But
if he.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Does make some magic and becomes a big deal, then
they become the Matriots, and you've got a lot of
marketing and promotions off.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
That may may make Mayts serviceable.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
All right, it's early.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I give you a bloop like not an emphatic blue,
not capital letters.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
It's take lowercase on the positive side of the number
line of loop loop.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Uh what else do you have their seaton?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
So other than Drake may is it Nick Pennix, McCarthy.
I guess all of them really have some question marks.
But who do you think is likely to work out
of this group?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Does it? How dependent is it on where they go, etc?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Etc.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, the broad topic for a question, but it's a
great time.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, it depends on where you're taken.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Because if bo Nicks goes in the second round, then
he could be the surprise quarterback. But if he goes
in the top ten, then the pressure is elevated here
JJ McCarthy probably where he's going to be taken and
the expectation level, I would say he's going to have
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a hard time living up to the hype here. I
would say him and Drake May because it feels like
Drake May is not a finished product. Jayden Daniel's going
to be ready to go, Caleb William's going to be
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, they're going to be asked to be ready to go.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't know if if the Vikings somehow get JJ
McCarthy that he's your starting quarterback, I don't think he
should be. It'd be Sam Darnold. If any of these quarterbacks,
if somebody goes to the Raiders, are you starting right away?
If you go to the Rams, you're not starting right away.
If you go to Denver, are you starting right away?
Probably not so. I think it's where you're taken and
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and that's where the expectation level rises or it lowers
a little bit. If one of these quarterbacks go Michael
Pennix goes in the second round, somebody's gonna go, Wow,
you got to steal instead of you go in the
top five it's like, wow, he's not very good or
he should be better than what he is.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, but if you're say, like the Patriots or a
team like that, and you're you draft a quarterback, are
they going to sit behind Jacoby Brissett who's trying to
get a job to or is it just instant quarterback controversy.
There's a big difference obviously, between going to sit behind
Aaron Rodgers for a year or two and now, let
me see what this guy's all about, versus a guy
who's signing a series of like one or two year
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deals just trying to keep their job.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think that these teams have learned that not all
quarterbacks are created equal from the standpoint of can you
go in? And I didn't think Bryce Young should have
started last year. CJ Stroud, you know I probably wouldn't
have started him. I would have waited. I think I
even said I'd wait a month, like Anthony Richardson with
the I would have waited a month. Just be on
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the sideline, see what it's like. Have a veteran there
who shows you how to prepare, you get a sense
of the speed.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That's what I would do, I think.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Caleb Caleb Williams seems to be ready to go, and
the Bears have done a great job in building around him.
Jaden Daniels, I don't know if he goes right away.
As far as starting, I would probably not start him
right away. And he you know, I haven't heard anybody say, well,
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he's not quite ready. I've heard Caleb Williams and Jaden
Daniels they would be ready to go. The other quarterbacks,
Michael Pennix might surprise you. He might be ready to
go over the other quarterbacks, at least from the source
that I have. The person I talked to, he loves
Michael Pennox. But he loves him because he loves football,
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like he's one of those guys that wants to be great,
thinks football all the time. And he said the injuries
don't worry me. Now he hasn't been injured in how
many years now now he was injured at Indiana.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But as far as.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Loving the game, consuming the game, wanting to be great,
that he loved Michael Pennix. Bo Nix is kind of
quiet there, like he had a wonderful year and considering
the expectation level at Auburn, he didn't live up to
the hype. Then he got to Oregon and surpassed the hype.
I thought he had a wonderful season. But see the scouts,
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in the coaches, assistant coaches, they see little things that
we don't see, and we go, man, that guy's awesome.
And then all of a sudden you talk to somebody
and they'll go, yeah, but you know what he does.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
And then you go, oh, no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
They'll tell you little things that to them are concerning
where you know the number of times when they say
we want somebody goes up to the line of scrimmage
and can process right away, right away, because that's what
it is. It's see it and now say it, and
now call the play. That's so important to them because
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the way the game is now, it's going to the
line of scrimmage. Coach is talking to you, you're surveying
the situation. May have two plays. Now, all of a
sudden you go, all right, let me check out of
this one, and I'm gonna call this one.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But it happens so quickly.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Crowd noise, You're looking around, You're trying to see if
somebody's you know, inside coverage. What are they doing here?
Are they gonna blitz that guy might be blitzing boom boom.
Hut hut, that's what they want. Can you process it
in real time? Because he used to be you get
in the huddle, you'd be like, call your play. You
go out there and run your play. Now it's gonna
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have two plays, maybe three plays up there. Hey, unless
you're Kyle Shanahan with Rock Perdy, you know he's gonna
call all the plays. You know, some of these other
quarterbacks get up there, they're going to be changing things
a little bit. But that's the fun part of this.
But that is the inexact science that is drafting a
quarterback because if you look, how many of these quarterbacks
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will make an All Pro?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Two?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Three, maybe none. I mean, you still got a lot
of good quarterbacks there. So if you're going to make
All Pro, you got to make All Pro and be
battling some of these other established quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Even two or three sounds like dang, that would be
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, so you're probably going to get two. And also,
here's another thing. Not every quarterback taken in the first round,
first five picks is going to be great, but is
good good enough? And talking to my source last night
and he said, look, we all think that Cale Williams
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is going to be the next Patrick Mahomes or Jaden
Daniels is going to change, you know, the quarterbacking position.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But they can still be good and that can be
good enough.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's we think every quarterback has got to be Patrick Mahomes,
and there is no other Patrick Mahomes. There'll be somebody
else who then creates the there's nobody like Caleb Williams
or whoever it might be.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, it is interesting though that all good enoughs aren't
really created equal because if you look at a guy
like Jared Goff, he's already had He's already done things
in his career that lots of other quarterbacks haven't done yet.
He's been to a super Bowl, he's been to what
a NFCFC title game. That's really great for his career already,
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you know, I mean, or even just to get in
the span of your career. And he's still seen as
a question. I don't know about him.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yes, but if you said when he was drafted, he's
going to go to a super Bowl in an NFC
title game at least, and he'll go before he's thirty
you'd go, oh, okay, that's pretty good. You would take
that right. But it still feels like Jared.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Goff, I don't know, franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
He doesn't really get the respect of somebody who's accomplished
those things already.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yes, you know, yes, yes, but being selected number one overall,
we expect more out of him. If Jared Goff went
at the end of the first round, we'd be like, man,
the heck of a career. I mean, you go number one.
We expect super bowls?
Speaker 9 (17:17):
Yes, Mark Well isn't an expectation to get to a
super Bowl. So would you rather have him be a
four time All Pro with no playoff success or no
All pros in playoff success or do you want a
combination of Well?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I think one goes with the other. I don't think
you can get to a super Bowl with how without
playing at a pretty high level. Your quarterback has to
play at a pretty high level.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
Some people will say he didn't. Some people say, oh,
the defense dragged him Rex Grossman style or something like that.
That's how people talk about Jared Golf.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well he didn't get credit with the
Rams and then when they kicked him to the curb
that kind of hurt the well. I think he might
be a bust, even though he went to a super
Bowl and then you got to the NFC title.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Gay, Yeah, pauling a.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Guy like Ben Roethlisberger. I'm looking at his stats in
his career. He never let a league in touchdown passes. Ever,
he was never All Pro, but he has two Super
Bowls in his first eight seasons.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Ben was never an all Pro.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
I'm looking at it here.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, he went to Pro Bowls, but that doesn't count.
So if I say all Pro.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He was Rookie of the Year and was thirteen and
oero as a starter as a rookie. Yeah, he has
two super Bowl rings that he was direct you know,
very much part of. But that's a kind of career
that is impeccable. But nobody talks about him as one
of the all time great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
He went to what three Super Bowls? He lost one?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Yeah, he has thirteen playoff victories.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, all right, let me take a break, getting a
little long here, and we'll set on our pole question.
Got a lot of things basketball wise. Once again, we're
working on the Reggie Bush story that according to ESPN,
they're going to give Reggie his heisman back and USC
gets to have a replica of that.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yay, take a break back after this.
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Speaker 3 (19:57):
Play today is coming up?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Shuttle on our poll question and your phone calls are
always welcome. Recapping the big news that broke when we
first came on the show, Reggie Bush. According to ESPN
is going to get his Heisman Trophy back, and the
Heisman Trophy Trust said, recognizing that the compensation of student
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athletes is an accepted practice and appears here to stay.
These fundamental changes in college athletics led the Trust to
decide that now is the right time to return the
trophy to Reggie Bush, who unquestionably was the most outstanding
college football player of two thousand and five. USC sanctions
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from the investigation include the Bowl Championship Series vacating the
two thousand and four national title, the first time a
major college football champion have been stripped of a title.
NCAA strip USC of victories in fourteen games that Reggie
played in, including the BCS title game blow out over Oklahoma.
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Now does the Trust make this decision without at least
conferring with the nc DOUBLEA to say, hey, we're going
to do this. Is the NCUBA now prepared to give
USC it's national title back and those victories back. We
have calls in and emails into all the appropriate people,
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the nc DOUBLEA, Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush, Matt Liiner, the
Heisman Trust. So we'll see if we can get a
little bit more information here. But I would think that
the Heisman Trust would at least bounce this off the
NC double A and say we're going to do this
and then get their reaction, or if we do this,
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is the NC DOUBLEA prepared to put out a statement,
because That's what I'm waiting for next. And I would
hope that we would hear from the NCUBA to say, hey,
they can give the Heisman back to him. It's like
the Baseball Hall of Fame. If the Baseball Hall of
Fame wants to put Pete Rose on the ballot, they
don't need to talk to baseball, but I would advise
them to talk to baseball. And the same with this
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with Reggie Bush. You want to give him his Heisman back?
Are you giving USC? I mean USC is the one
that paid the price. I mean Reggie Bush didn't get
a trophy. He still got drafted high what second pick overall?
USC lost a lot, scholarships, national title, Pete Carroll leaves
there was a lot attached to this, and there's still
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a lot of USC people are frosty over there.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Yes, Bully, I'm telling you, if I'm Nissan with those
Heisman house commercials, this is on a tee. You could
have a lot of fun with this. Next year, Reggie
Bush gets welcome back, they have a big re welcoming ceremony,
they dust off the trophy. Holly, this is wild.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And it was a few months ago Johnny Manziel said, Hey,
I'm not going to show up for the Heisman try ceremony.
I think that was what March first that he said it,
and at the time, I don't know, it got some
traction because it's Johnny Manziel. I don't know if that
was the impetus where the NC double or Heisman trusc goes. Wait, Johnny,
he's not going to show up. You know what, Let's
revisit this. Hey, there's nil there's compensation. Okay, if we're
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going down this road, do then we open up other
investigations here? Do we open up the death penalty for
SMU Like you know now you can get a car, now,
you can have all these sponsorships Ohio State. With what
happened with Terrell Pryor in company giving up jerseys to
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get tattoos, you're setting a precedent here. Now this is
for the Heisman. This isn't the NC DOUBLEA doing this.
That's why I want to know what the NCAA thinks
about this.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes, Paul, you.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Know it's especially awkward about this. When Reggie Bush was
stripped of his heisman, the trophy, and the title, they
did not give it to Vince Young, who finished second
from Texas. A lot of people thought they should because
he was in line. It would be like a sprinter
in the Olympics getting stripped, you bump up to gold.
That's how they do it. Imagine if they somehow and
after this gave Vince Young the heisman that year and
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he was considered the winner, and then years later they
give it back to Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, but if you strip somebody in the Olympics, they've cheated.
Therefore the next person should get the gold medal or
silver medal, bronze medal. Exactly if Reggie, you know, was
I guess trying to cheat the system and get a
loan and then he didn't pay back the loan and
then somebody made that public and then so it's not
like Reggie tested positive for anything.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Therefore we're going to strip you of your heisman.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
No, but he broke the enza rule that caused the
heisman troll.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, but I can't give that to Vince just because
Reggie did something and you know, hey, he doesn't get
the heisman, so you get the heisman you just vacated. Now,
I had no problem with that. I mean, Vince could
have yell, you know, he could have won it. I
don't think anybody would have a problem if we're to
give it to Vince because we've taken it away from
Reggie Bush. It would be weird, though, to have a
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heisman that says Reggie Bush on it and you give
it to Vince Yan.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
Yes, Mark, Should Mike Greenwell get his nineteen eighty eight
al MVP sins Jose Caseko cheated? Yes, Yes, okay, yes,
so that's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, Yes, Like do we want to open this up
and now we're going to rewrite history all of these controversies,
the dangerous, dangerous road to go down.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yes, he was just gonna say, is that it's giving
him Is giving Reggie Bush back his heisman the right
thing to do or opening a dangerous door?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think it's both.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Reggie was the best player I saw that you one
of the best players that I've ever seen. He was awesome.
He was He was a hell of a college football player.
Did you do something stupid not paying back the loan. Yes, yes,
because if he pays it back, then this never comes
to like that team was awesome. The teams that he
was on, the Matt Liner, Reggie Bush, Queen Jarrett in there.
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I think maybe that was a fun team. Man, that
was a fun team.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I'm hearing from a source here says, if I had
to guess, this may be a step in coordination between
the Heisman Trust and the NC DOUBLEA related to the
Reggie Bush defamation lawsuit against the NC double A. Now
that's just a guess here by somebody, but it's somebody
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well connected that I trust. But there is the defamation
lawsuit against the NC.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Double A that let's see.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, Reggie filed a defamation lawsuit against the NC double
A August of twenty twenty three. There's a lot of
things attached to this. I don't know if we get
answers today, but we'll try. We got calls out to everybody,
as you would come to expect, and we'll see even
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the NCAA if we can get them to just give
us a statement here, that'd be nice. Gabriel in Southern California, Hey, Gabe,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (27:10):
Hey guy, thanks for taking my call a long time,
first time five seven one sixty. Like I said, I
live in southern California and I'm not an ST fan,
but that has nothing to do with my opinion. I
think it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Those are the rules that.
Speaker 11 (27:28):
Are set in place when he was at the while
he played for USC. I posted on my instag and
of course I already had friends out here giving me fashion,
and I'm like, one of my friends in particular has
his own business, and I'm like, look, those are the
rules set in place back then. You with your company,
if you had certain rates for your customers five.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Years ago and now you dropped your raid, are.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
You going to give your customers back the money the difference?
He's all, hey on no, I'm all exactly because that's
what you charge back then. Those are the rules back then,
and right now when you brought up the whole point
about deformation laws with that complete he makes sense.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
So it sounds like they're just trying to cover their
butts now.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
But yeah, that's my opinion.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you, Gab.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I would love to know is Reggie going to
drop the defamation lawsuit That's what I would ask him,
because if he does, then it might be in conjunction
with Hey, we'll give you back your heisman, but we
dropped the defamation lawsuit. I'm guessing that this has been
going on for a little while, negotiations back and forth.
(28:30):
I mean, they kept it quiet, and then all of
a sudden, ESPN broke the story this morning, all right,
eight seven seven three, DP show email and dress Dpadanpatrick
dot com Twitter handle the DP Show, Seaton, what's the
pole question? We're going to argue be changing up the
pole question? Hell, yeah, of course we are.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
What do you maybe we go with that? Is giving
him back his heisman the right thing to do or
a bad idea?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Okay? Because right?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
How how many other people were caught taking money that now.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Should be back? SMU got the death penalty. Can't undeath
penalty though, No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
But you know, I don't know what you can give
back to a program after the fact scholarship's lost, you know,
players who played and didn't get to play in Bowl game,
whatever it might be. I mean, the national title trophy
would be the first thing I would say if I'm
a USC player who played when Reggie was there. Do
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we get the national Trophy title trophy back? Do we
get those victories? If I'm Pete carrollm like, do I
get fourteen victories here? But I don't know if they've
done this in conjunction with the NC DOUBLEA. Now maybe
they've done it in conjunction with the NC double but
I don't know if the NC double A is now
going to go and revisit some of these other suspensions controversies.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Yeah, Paulin, if you're someone like Pete Carroll, the former
USC head coach, do you jump at this opportunity and
speak out about it as on behalf of to all
the old USC guard or do you let it play
out a little bit and.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
See what's going I have to know if we're getting
Unless you're saying, hey, let's be proactive, I'm gonna say, hey,
glad Reggie got the Heisman. He deserves it, and I
would like to get that national title back, and I'd
like to get fourteen victories as well, you know, to
go along with that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, I guess. I mean Pete's not doing anything else.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Yes, Mark, just as important as Pete Carroll does Will
Farrell welcome back. Reggie Bush would open arms. Also, hmmmm,
he's a USC.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Guy, Yes he is, Yes, he is.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I think there's a sort of a collective about time
USC reaction.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Okay, tough times.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Dude got his trophy back.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, but see, they're separate from the nc DOUBLEA. That's
the tricky part of this. The Heisman Trust can do this,
but I don't know if they're being altruistic and saying,
you know what. On second thought, it feels like we
had to have a collective coming to this decision, not
just the Heisman Trust. It feels like the NCUBA had
(31:03):
to be involved in this.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
And if it turns out the NSA is involved and
they may be even considering USC and their status from
A four, the ninety two Michigan basketball teams can be
calling pretty soon. Yeah, Chris Weaver's gonna be calling pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
They should get their banners back up there. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I don't. But this is the Heisman Trust. That's what
I want to know if the NCAA is involved in it.
Heisman Trust is separate entity. Once again, it's just like
the Baseball Hall of Fame. It's separate from baseball. They
can do what they want. They usually do it in
(31:36):
conjunction with Major League Baseball.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yes, pulling, and the big difference if if you're going
to shoehorn Reggie Bush and Pete Rose. Nil almost removed
all the old pay for play rules. The Baseball has
not removed you can bet on baseball just because they're
in business draft Kings and FanDuel and Eta, et cetera.
The rule is still posted in all clubhouses you cannot
bet on baseball. That rule has not been removed in
any way.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, and people always try to shoehorn Pete Rose into
this or show hey Otani, Pete bet on baseball, he
bet on games that he managed. It gets just different.
It's a non starter. Pete is not getting into the
Baseball Hall of Fame unless it's posthumously. Just not. I mean,
he finally it was like thirty five years before he
(32:21):
finally admitted you know that he did something wrong, but
you know it's it's too late for that. But people
will go, well, what about Pete Rose. I mean, we
don't even know the magnitude of Pete's gambling. I've tried
to find that out, but I think there's a whole
lot there that's never surfaced, and it surfaced when I
(32:41):
did an interview with him when he said, hey, I
bet on my team to win every night, as if
to say, hey, I didn't bet against them, I bet
for them to win. Well, I can still manipulate a lineup.
I can have somebody pitch and maybe you know, I
got a bet on the game, and I'm going to
bring John Franco in again on the you know, three
(33:02):
days in a row. Like, you just can't do that,
even if you're betting on yourself. You can't. You're betting
on it. It's not like a boxer. Boxer can bet
on himself or UFC. You can bet on yourself. I
don't have any problem with that, unless you're betting on
yourself to lose, and then I have a problem with that.
But Pete is different. So I know people love to
(33:24):
bring that up, and look, I love Pete, but I
know Pete should not be in the Baseball Hall of
Fame based off of gambling unless you want to put
him in and just say, hey, this is what Pete did,
which I'm okay with that because it's a museum.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And it's for you, not me. It's you the fans.
Do you want him in?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You want to read Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Pete Rose,
all these people, shoeless, Joe Jackson, fine fine. Pete has
benefited more by not being in the Hall of Fame
than he has going in.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
The Hall of Fame. That's how he's made his money.
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a few questions that I have about this, and I
would love to hear from the NC DOUBLEA and find
out if they're going to give USC the national title
back or at least look you give it another look,
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(35:36):
then you're saying, hey, given what's going on with Nil,
you know this isn't a big issue for us. Well
at the time it was, so now we're rewriting history here,
and if you want to give him his trophy back, great.
I would just be surprised if the NCUBLEA wasn't involved
in this, considering Reggie has a defamation lawsuit against the NCUBLEA.
(36:00):
Now let's just use common sense here, NC double A
heisman trust. Hey, can we how about we say to Reggie,
will give you the heisman back, you drop your defamation lawsuit.
Ooh yeah, that kind of makes sense. Do you think
this happened where it wasn't hand in hand between the
NC double A and the Heisman Trust. The Heisman Trust
(36:22):
just said, hey, this is what's going on now, and
this would be permittable.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
We would let you.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Do this, get a loan, Okay, So we'll keep an
eye on this as far as who can join us
to talk about this. North Carolina quarterback Drake May coming
up top of the hour, feels like feels like the
Giants might be in love with Drake May. Now not
(36:51):
quite sure if the Patriots are going to trade out
of three, but that so, if you're going to go
up to four or go up to five, then you
might not get your guy. So three seems like it's
really the place where if you want to get Michael
Pennix or JJ McCarthy or Drake May, that's where you
(37:11):
got to go. Because it feels like the commanders are
locked in with Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams going to
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
If I'm running New England, I would I would see
what I could get for three, because I don't want
to bring in another first round pick who's a quarterback
and then put him out there and you just don't
have the talent around him. Build your team and then
get your quarterback like the Niners did with Rock perty
(37:38):
build your team. Now you get your quarterback. Rock Purty
standing alone, if you put him in New England would
fail because he doesn't have these weapons there. He doesn't
have Debo, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Ayuk. But when you
have those weapons makes the game a whole lot easier. Really,
(38:00):
there's only one quarterback. When you think, when I look
at Mahomes and what he did with these wide receivers,
the quarterback makes a wide receiver better. I don't want
to draft a wide receiver to make my quarterback better.
I want to make sure that I get the quarterback
who makes the wide receiver better. And Mahomes is you
know that he's the anomaly here. You lose Tyreek Hill
(38:24):
and they won a couple of Super Bowls. I mean,
it's and it's not a threatening offense, although I do
think Andy Reid was smart to say we're sort of
a defensive team now and that's why they won the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (38:38):
Yes, Marvin, have you ever ran to a quarterback that
completely succeeded despite having a crappy organization, Like a organization
I wasn't stable or didn't have a lot of talent,
but he dragged them to a pretty good record in
his first year as a starter. Oh, I'm sure there
are examples. There are more examples of an organization that
(39:01):
failed a quarterback, not the other way around. And usually
we look at a bust and we blame the quarterback,
not the coach or the GM or the owner. But
it's usy on the quarterback here Reggie and Ventura. Hey,
Reg what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Hey Dan, I just got a quick question for you.
The loan that Reggie Bush took out from that marketing company,
how much was it? And I also want to say, hey,
when you retire, I think you just just do a
walkoff because I don't think there's anyone out there that
can replace you. When you guys take a day off.
You know, it's kind of rough listening to some of
(39:38):
these other guys try and imitate, you know, your stick.
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
All right, thank you, Reg? Was it six hundred thousand dollars? Palling?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
There's different reports that Reggie Bush the NSA put it
out there financial benefits worth more than one hundred thousand dollars,
whilst at usc from marketing agents the Yahoo Sports has
numbers on home loans out in the hold on hundreds
of thousands of dollars. So there's multiple reports.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Bill and Maryland. Hi, Bill, what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (40:08):
Good morning, Dan, long time fourth time five eleven one
seven five. Yeah, it really doesn't make any sense to
rewrite history. My mind went where you went, smu. I mean,
how far back do you go?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Do you go?
Speaker 12 (40:27):
Give Pete Maravich all his all his points if he
made three pointers based on where he shot him from,
it gets crazy. He had cast this on a few
years back, talking about the baseball steroid issue. He said,
why not just put an asterisk explaining what happened and
let the fan, let the viewer kind of understand. So
why not simply have a pre nil post NL when
(40:50):
it comes to college sports and just let the fan
understand the differences. Why do you have to go back
and try to change things. It just diminishes the credibility
of these awards.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
All right?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, thank you, Bill. Yeah, I don't know what happens
with Michigan with the FAB five. I mean, would that
be permissible?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Now? I'm guessing.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
This has to be just you know, this is a
one off the heisman NCAA and maybe trying to fend
off a defamation lawsuit. Hey, we'll give your heisman back everything. Okay,
good good. We did an interview with Reggie Bush not
too long ago, and I think I asked him, if
they gave you your heisman back, would you drop your defamation lawsuit.
(41:35):
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Foot massage or like you got it. It's a whole day.
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then there's gonna be something else, and then something else
and then maybe look it's else. Yeah, we have breaking news.
Let's guess the breaking news game.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Wow, this just came through. We're gonna play. I don't
think anyone else in the room has seen this. It
just came into the inbox. Okay, this is breaking football news.
It's not NFL Draft related. I'm gonna try to give
you guys a hint that I know.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
I appreciate that, Thank you, because.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
It's more shocking. This is a shocking news story. Tom
Brady's coming back. I would say this is much more
shocking because I never thought this would happen. I really truly,
and we were had a role in this story a
little bit something was taken away from someone years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Heisman.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
According to Pete Thamil, the college football reporter for s Exclusive,
Reggie Bush is getting his two thousand and five Heisman
Trophy back. ESPN has learned with a formal reinstatement of
the trophy coming today. So not only will we get
the trophy back, it appears from what I'm reading, he
will be the Heisman Trophy winner. It'll be put back
on the list. The decision comes amid with the Heisman
(04:18):
Trust calls enormous changes in the college football landscape. Wow,
it's happening today.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, but what he is guilty of would still be
a violation, now would It's not nil.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yeah, he would have to go through proper channels to
get permission to do the things he did.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Because he got loans or a loan and then didn't
pay back the loan.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
From a marketing company. Yes, yes, they fronted him money
they hoped he would sign. As part of the decision Wednesday,
the Heisman Schuster's returning the physical trophy to Bridgie at
a replica to USC. Bush will again be invited to
all future Heisman Trophy ceremonies beginning in the twenty twenty
four season. Okay, wow, I would have bet the opposite
(05:03):
way on this one.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
What does that mean for USC?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Does USC get anything restored here?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yes, they should get their wins back?
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Oh, that's an interesting topic because that's an NCAA decision.
The Heisman Trust has its own entity. But yes, that's
a fair question.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
The guy that got you in all of that trouble
has now been well, everything has changed, so now you're
not in trouble anymore. You should be getting all of
those winds back. Pete Carroll should get his whole everything
should be expunged.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Do you think that the Heisman Trust did this without
talking to the NCAA.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
I'm looking at the story and there's nothing in the
story from what I've just read it that the NSA
was involved.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
That would be extremely shortsighted if they didn't think of
the NCAA.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yes, well, the NSA can ignore this completely, which they're
very good at.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, but there's conflicting messages here. I would be surprised.
Maybe can we reach out to a friend at the
Heisman absolutely and see if he can help us understand
did they bounce this off the NC DOUBLEA because it
it does impact the NC DOUBLEA With USC. I guess
Reggie Bush gonna be the only one who is the
only benefactor here.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
USC will get a physical trophy back. They always have
a replica.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't think they care about having a physical trophy.
It's the other stuff that you know. This, you know,
decimated USC for years.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
According to the story, the NIL changes in twenty twenty
one kind of put this on the front burner for
the Heisman Trust.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I understand that you could get somebody to give you
a loan. He didn't pay back the loan. If he
paid back the loan, then there wouldn't have been an issue.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
He wouldn't have been rated out to Yahoo Sport.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yes, so I'm a little confused here because current nil. Yes,
he could get a loan, but you know he still
has to pay back the loan, which he didn't do.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
USC sanctions from that investigation, including the bcs VIA vacating
the two thousand and four national title, the first time
a major college football champion have been stripped of its championship.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, are they going to say to Ohio State and
Jim Tressel, Hey, guys, you know we're gonna give you
something back here for the tattoo gate that they had
exchanging jerseys for tattoos. Are they gonna allow I mean,
are we going back now and rewriting history here because nio.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
As you could get an nil deal with a tattoo parlor? Yes,
and he all right, let's just all get tattoos sick.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Then I don't have to give up my jerseys. Yeah, Okay,
I'm a little confused. Let's be before I overreact to it.
Let's we're just reacting. Let's see if we can get
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Which would you prefer?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Let me do draft to right now?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Okay, Well, we have similar versions of a poll question.
Quarterback you think won't work out or quarterback with the
most question marks in this draft.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Drake May will join us in an hour from now.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Are you going to say that?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know I'm saying we have a quarterback, but you
need to have a pause there. Okay, wow, let me
give that a moment here. Drake May will join us
coming up next hour. I don't think he's ready to start.
And if I'm Drake May, I hope the Patriots don't
draft me. I'd rather be drafted later. If I'm Drake May,
then I would go to the Patriots because there's nothing
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going on there. I'd rather be drafted by the Rams.
I don't want to go to the Patriots. They're not
ready to win and maybe their approach, the Patriots approach
is hey, how about we build a decent team and
then we bring in our quarterback, because I don't want
to put that pressure on a quarterback and go, hey
mac Jones, go out there, make some magic.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Oh you can't. Oh you're a bust. Yes, Tom, But
if he.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Does make some magic and becomes a big deal, then
they become the Matriots, and you've got a lot of
marketing and promotions off.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
That may may make Mayts serviceable.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
All right, it's early.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I give you a bloop like not an emphatic blue,
not capital letters.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
It's take lowercase on the positive side of the number
line of loop loop.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Uh what else do you have their seaton?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
So other than Drake may is it Nick Pennix, McCarthy.
I guess all of them really have some question marks.
But who do you think is likely to work out
of this group?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Does it? How dependent is it on where they go, etc?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Etc.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, the broad topic for a question, but it's a
great time.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, it depends on where you're taken.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Because if bo Nicks goes in the second round, then
he could be the surprise quarterback. But if he goes
in the top ten, then the pressure is elevated here
JJ McCarthy probably where he's going to be taken and
the expectation level, I would say he's going to have
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a hard time living up to the hype here. I
would say him and Drake May because it feels like
Drake May is not a finished product. Jayden Daniel's going
to be ready to go, Caleb William's going to be
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, they're going to be asked to be ready to go.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't know if if the Vikings somehow get JJ
McCarthy that he's your starting quarterback, I don't think he
should be. It'd be Sam Darnold. If any of these quarterbacks,
if somebody goes to the Raiders, are you starting right away?
If you go to the Rams, you're not starting right away.
If you go to Denver, are you starting right away?
Probably not so. I think it's where you're taken and
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and that's where the expectation level rises or it lowers
a little bit. If one of these quarterbacks go Michael
Pennix goes in the second round, somebody's gonna go, Wow,
you got to steal instead of you go in the
top five it's like, wow, he's not very good or
he should be better than what he is.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, but if you're say, like the Patriots or a
team like that, and you're you draft a quarterback, are
they going to sit behind Jacoby Brissett who's trying to
get a job to or is it just instant quarterback controversy.
There's a big difference obviously, between going to sit behind
Aaron Rodgers for a year or two and now, let
me see what this guy's all about, versus a guy
who's signing a series of like one or two year
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deals just trying to keep their job.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think that these teams have learned that not all
quarterbacks are created equal from the standpoint of can you
go in? And I didn't think Bryce Young should have
started last year. CJ Stroud, you know I probably wouldn't
have started him. I would have waited. I think I
even said I'd wait a month, like Anthony Richardson with
the I would have waited a month. Just be on
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the sideline, see what it's like. Have a veteran there
who shows you how to prepare, you get a sense
of the speed.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That's what I would do, I think.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Caleb Caleb Williams seems to be ready to go, and
the Bears have done a great job in building around him.
Jaden Daniels, I don't know if he goes right away.
As far as starting, I would probably not start him
right away. And he you know, I haven't heard anybody say, well,
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he's not quite ready. I've heard Caleb Williams and Jaden
Daniels they would be ready to go. The other quarterbacks,
Michael Pennix might surprise you. He might be ready to
go over the other quarterbacks, at least from the source
that I have. The person I talked to, he loves
Michael Pennox. But he loves him because he loves football,
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like he's one of those guys that wants to be great,
thinks football all the time. And he said the injuries
don't worry me. Now he hasn't been injured in how
many years now now he was injured at Indiana.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But as far as.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Loving the game, consuming the game, wanting to be great,
that he loved Michael Pennix. Bo Nix is kind of
quiet there, like he had a wonderful year and considering
the expectation level at Auburn, he didn't live up to
the hype. Then he got to Oregon and surpassed the hype.
I thought he had a wonderful season. But see the scouts,
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in the coaches, assistant coaches, they see little things that
we don't see, and we go, man, that guy's awesome.
And then all of a sudden you talk to somebody
and they'll go, yeah, but you know what he does.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
And then you go, oh, no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
They'll tell you little things that to them are concerning
where you know the number of times when they say
we want somebody goes up to the line of scrimmage
and can process right away, right away, because that's what
it is. It's see it and now say it, and
now call the play. That's so important to them because
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the way the game is now, it's going to the
line of scrimmage. Coach is talking to you, you're surveying
the situation. May have two plays. Now, all of a
sudden you go, all right, let me check out of
this one, and I'm gonna call this one.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But it happens so quickly.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Crowd noise, You're looking around, You're trying to see if
somebody's you know, inside coverage. What are they doing here?
Are they gonna blitz that guy might be blitzing boom boom.
Hut hut, that's what they want. Can you process it
in real time? Because he used to be you get
in the huddle, you'd be like, call your play. You
go out there and run your play. Now it's gonna
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have two plays, maybe three plays up there. Hey, unless
you're Kyle Shanahan with Rock Perdy, you know he's gonna
call all the plays. You know, some of these other
quarterbacks get up there, they're going to be changing things
a little bit. But that's the fun part of this.
But that is the inexact science that is drafting a
quarterback because if you look, how many of these quarterbacks
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will make an All Pro?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Two?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Three, maybe none. I mean, you still got a lot
of good quarterbacks there. So if you're going to make
All Pro, you got to make All Pro and be
battling some of these other established quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Even two or three sounds like dang, that would be
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, so you're probably going to get two. And also,
here's another thing. Not every quarterback taken in the first round,
first five picks is going to be great, but is
good good enough? And talking to my source last night
and he said, look, we all think that Cale Williams
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is going to be the next Patrick Mahomes or Jaden
Daniels is going to change, you know, the quarterbacking position.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But they can still be good and that can be
good enough.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's we think every quarterback has got to be Patrick Mahomes,
and there is no other Patrick Mahomes. There'll be somebody
else who then creates the there's nobody like Caleb Williams
or whoever it might be.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, it is interesting though that all good enoughs aren't
really created equal because if you look at a guy
like Jared Goff, he's already had He's already done things
in his career that lots of other quarterbacks haven't done yet.
He's been to a super Bowl, he's been to what
a NFCFC title game. That's really great for his career already,
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you know, I mean, or even just to get in
the span of your career. And he's still seen as
a question. I don't know about him.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yes, but if you said when he was drafted, he's
going to go to a super Bowl in an NFC
title game at least, and he'll go before he's thirty
you'd go, oh, okay, that's pretty good. You would take
that right. But it still feels like Jared.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Goff, I don't know, franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
He doesn't really get the respect of somebody who's accomplished
those things already.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yes, you know, yes, yes, but being selected number one overall,
we expect more out of him. If Jared Goff went
at the end of the first round, we'd be like, man,
the heck of a career. I mean, you go number one.
We expect super bowls?
Speaker 9 (17:17):
Yes, Mark Well isn't an expectation to get to a
super Bowl. So would you rather have him be a
four time All Pro with no playoff success or no
All pros in playoff success or do you want a
combination of Well?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I think one goes with the other. I don't think
you can get to a super Bowl with how without
playing at a pretty high level. Your quarterback has to
play at a pretty high level.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
Some people will say he didn't. Some people say, oh,
the defense dragged him Rex Grossman style or something like that.
That's how people talk about Jared Golf.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well he didn't get credit with the
Rams and then when they kicked him to the curb
that kind of hurt the well. I think he might
be a bust, even though he went to a super
Bowl and then you got to the NFC title.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Gay, Yeah, pauling a.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Guy like Ben Roethlisberger. I'm looking at his stats in
his career. He never let a league in touchdown passes. Ever,
he was never All Pro, but he has two Super
Bowls in his first eight seasons.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Ben was never an all Pro.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
I'm looking at it here.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, he went to Pro Bowls, but that doesn't count.
So if I say all Pro.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He was Rookie of the Year and was thirteen and
oero as a starter as a rookie. Yeah, he has
two super Bowl rings that he was direct you know,
very much part of. But that's a kind of career
that is impeccable. But nobody talks about him as one
of the all time great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
He went to what three Super Bowls? He lost one?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Yeah, he has thirteen playoff victories.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, all right, let me take a break, getting a
little long here, and we'll set on our pole question.
Got a lot of things basketball wise. Once again, we're
working on the Reggie Bush story that according to ESPN,
they're going to give Reggie his heisman back and USC
gets to have a replica of that.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yay, take a break back after this.
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Speaker 3 (19:57):
Play today is coming up?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Shuttle on our poll question and your phone calls are
always welcome. Recapping the big news that broke when we
first came on the show, Reggie Bush. According to ESPN
is going to get his Heisman Trophy back, and the
Heisman Trophy Trust said, recognizing that the compensation of student
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athletes is an accepted practice and appears here to stay.
These fundamental changes in college athletics led the Trust to
decide that now is the right time to return the
trophy to Reggie Bush, who unquestionably was the most outstanding
college football player of two thousand and five. USC sanctions
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from the investigation include the Bowl Championship Series vacating the
two thousand and four national title, the first time a
major college football champion have been stripped of a title.
NCAA strip USC of victories in fourteen games that Reggie
played in, including the BCS title game blow out over Oklahoma.
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Now does the Trust make this decision without at least
conferring with the nc DOUBLEA to say, hey, we're going
to do this. Is the NCUBA now prepared to give
USC it's national title back and those victories back. We
have calls in and emails into all the appropriate people,
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the nc DOUBLEA, Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush, Matt Liiner, the
Heisman Trust. So we'll see if we can get a
little bit more information here. But I would think that
the Heisman Trust would at least bounce this off the
NC double A and say we're going to do this
and then get their reaction, or if we do this,
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is the NC DOUBLEA prepared to put out a statement,
because That's what I'm waiting for next. And I would
hope that we would hear from the NCUBA to say, hey,
they can give the Heisman back to him. It's like
the Baseball Hall of Fame. If the Baseball Hall of
Fame wants to put Pete Rose on the ballot, they
don't need to talk to baseball, but I would advise
them to talk to baseball. And the same with this
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with Reggie Bush. You want to give him his Heisman back?
Are you giving USC? I mean USC is the one
that paid the price. I mean Reggie Bush didn't get
a trophy. He still got drafted high what second pick overall?
USC lost a lot, scholarships, national title, Pete Carroll leaves
there was a lot attached to this, and there's still
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a lot of USC people are frosty over there.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Yes, Bully, I'm telling you, if I'm Nissan with those
Heisman house commercials, this is on a tee. You could
have a lot of fun with this. Next year, Reggie
Bush gets welcome back, they have a big re welcoming ceremony,
they dust off the trophy. Holly, this is wild.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And it was a few months ago Johnny Manziel said, Hey,
I'm not going to show up for the Heisman try ceremony.
I think that was what March first that he said it,
and at the time, I don't know, it got some
traction because it's Johnny Manziel. I don't know if that
was the impetus where the NC double or Heisman trusc goes. Wait, Johnny,
he's not going to show up. You know what, Let's
revisit this. Hey, there's nil there's compensation. Okay, if we're
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going down this road, do then we open up other
investigations here? Do we open up the death penalty for
SMU Like you know now you can get a car, now,
you can have all these sponsorships Ohio State. With what
happened with Terrell Pryor in company giving up jerseys to
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get tattoos, you're setting a precedent here. Now this is
for the Heisman. This isn't the NC DOUBLEA doing this.
That's why I want to know what the NCAA thinks
about this.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes, Paul, you.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Know it's especially awkward about this. When Reggie Bush was
stripped of his heisman, the trophy, and the title, they
did not give it to Vince Young, who finished second
from Texas. A lot of people thought they should because
he was in line. It would be like a sprinter
in the Olympics getting stripped, you bump up to gold.
That's how they do it. Imagine if they somehow and
after this gave Vince Young the heisman that year and
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he was considered the winner, and then years later they
give it back to Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, but if you strip somebody in the Olympics, they've cheated.
Therefore the next person should get the gold medal or
silver medal, bronze medal. Exactly if Reggie, you know, was
I guess trying to cheat the system and get a
loan and then he didn't pay back the loan and
then somebody made that public and then so it's not
like Reggie tested positive for anything.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Therefore we're going to strip you of your heisman.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
No, but he broke the enza rule that caused the
heisman troll.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, but I can't give that to Vince just because
Reggie did something and you know, hey, he doesn't get
the heisman, so you get the heisman you just vacated. Now,
I had no problem with that. I mean, Vince could
have yell, you know, he could have won it. I
don't think anybody would have a problem if we're to
give it to Vince because we've taken it away from
Reggie Bush. It would be weird, though, to have a
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heisman that says Reggie Bush on it and you give
it to Vince Yan.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
Yes, Mark, Should Mike Greenwell get his nineteen eighty eight
al MVP sins Jose Caseko cheated? Yes, Yes, okay, yes,
so that's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, Yes, Like do we want to open this up
and now we're going to rewrite history all of these controversies,
the dangerous, dangerous road to go down.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yes, he was just gonna say, is that it's giving
him Is giving Reggie Bush back his heisman the right
thing to do or opening a dangerous door?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think it's both.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Reggie was the best player I saw that you one
of the best players that I've ever seen. He was awesome.
He was He was a hell of a college football player.
Did you do something stupid not paying back the loan. Yes, yes,
because if he pays it back, then this never comes
to like that team was awesome. The teams that he
was on, the Matt Liner, Reggie Bush, Queen Jarrett in there.
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I think maybe that was a fun team. Man, that
was a fun team.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I'm hearing from a source here says, if I had
to guess, this may be a step in coordination between
the Heisman Trust and the NC DOUBLEA related to the
Reggie Bush defamation lawsuit against the NC double A. Now
that's just a guess here by somebody, but it's somebody
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well connected that I trust. But there is the defamation
lawsuit against the NC.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Double A that let's see.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, Reggie filed a defamation lawsuit against the NC double
A August of twenty twenty three. There's a lot of
things attached to this. I don't know if we get
answers today, but we'll try. We got calls out to everybody,
as you would come to expect, and we'll see even
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the NCAA if we can get them to just give
us a statement here, that'd be nice. Gabriel in Southern California, Hey, Gabe,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (27:10):
Hey guy, thanks for taking my call a long time,
first time five seven one sixty. Like I said, I
live in southern California and I'm not an ST fan,
but that has nothing to do with my opinion. I
think it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Those are the rules that.
Speaker 11 (27:28):
Are set in place when he was at the while
he played for USC. I posted on my instag and
of course I already had friends out here giving me fashion,
and I'm like, one of my friends in particular has
his own business, and I'm like, look, those are the
rules set in place back then. You with your company,
if you had certain rates for your customers five.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Years ago and now you dropped your raid, are.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
You going to give your customers back the money the difference?
He's all, hey on no, I'm all exactly because that's
what you charge back then. Those are the rules back then,
and right now when you brought up the whole point
about deformation laws with that complete he makes sense.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
So it sounds like they're just trying to cover their
butts now.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
But yeah, that's my opinion.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you, Gab.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I would love to know is Reggie going to
drop the defamation lawsuit That's what I would ask him,
because if he does, then it might be in conjunction
with Hey, we'll give you back your heisman, but we
dropped the defamation lawsuit. I'm guessing that this has been
going on for a little while, negotiations back and forth.
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I mean, they kept it quiet, and then all of
a sudden, ESPN broke the story this morning, all right,
eight seven seven three, DP show email and dress Dpadanpatrick
dot com Twitter handle the DP Show, Seaton, what's the
pole question? We're going to argue be changing up the
pole question? Hell, yeah, of course we are.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
What do you maybe we go with that? Is giving
him back his heisman the right thing to do or
a bad idea?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Okay? Because right?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
How how many other people were caught taking money that now.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Should be back? SMU got the death penalty. Can't undeath
penalty though, No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
But you know, I don't know what you can give
back to a program after the fact scholarship's lost, you know,
players who played and didn't get to play in Bowl game,
whatever it might be. I mean, the national title trophy
would be the first thing I would say if I'm
a USC player who played when Reggie was there. Do
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we get the national Trophy title trophy back? Do we
get those victories? If I'm Pete carrollm like, do I
get fourteen victories here? But I don't know if they've
done this in conjunction with the NC DOUBLEA. Now maybe
they've done it in conjunction with the NC double but
I don't know if the NC double A is now
going to go and revisit some of these other suspensions controversies.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Yeah, Paulin, if you're someone like Pete Carroll, the former
USC head coach, do you jump at this opportunity and
speak out about it as on behalf of to all
the old USC guard or do you let it play
out a little bit and.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
See what's going I have to know if we're getting
Unless you're saying, hey, let's be proactive, I'm gonna say, hey,
glad Reggie got the Heisman. He deserves it, and I
would like to get that national title back, and I'd
like to get fourteen victories as well, you know, to
go along with that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, I guess. I mean Pete's not doing anything else.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Yes, Mark, just as important as Pete Carroll does Will
Farrell welcome back. Reggie Bush would open arms. Also, hmmmm,
he's a USC.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Guy, Yes he is, Yes, he is.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I think there's a sort of a collective about time
USC reaction.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Okay, tough times.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Dude got his trophy back.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, but see, they're separate from the nc DOUBLEA. That's
the tricky part of this. The Heisman Trust can do this,
but I don't know if they're being altruistic and saying,
you know what. On second thought, it feels like we
had to have a collective coming to this decision, not
just the Heisman Trust. It feels like the NCUBA had
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to be involved in this.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
And if it turns out the NSA is involved and
they may be even considering USC and their status from
A four, the ninety two Michigan basketball teams can be
calling pretty soon. Yeah, Chris Weaver's gonna be calling pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
They should get their banners back up there. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I don't. But this is the Heisman Trust. That's what
I want to know if the NCAA is involved in it.
Heisman Trust is separate entity. Once again, it's just like
the Baseball Hall of Fame. It's separate from baseball. They
can do what they want. They usually do it in
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conjunction with Major League Baseball.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yes, pulling, and the big difference if if you're going
to shoehorn Reggie Bush and Pete Rose. Nil almost removed
all the old pay for play rules. The Baseball has
not removed you can bet on baseball just because they're
in business draft Kings and FanDuel and Eta, et cetera.
The rule is still posted in all clubhouses you cannot
bet on baseball. That rule has not been removed in
any way.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, and people always try to shoehorn Pete Rose into
this or show hey Otani, Pete bet on baseball, he
bet on games that he managed. It gets just different.
It's a non starter. Pete is not getting into the
Baseball Hall of Fame unless it's posthumously. Just not. I mean,
he finally it was like thirty five years before he
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finally admitted you know that he did something wrong, but
you know it's it's too late for that. But people
will go, well, what about Pete Rose. I mean, we
don't even know the magnitude of Pete's gambling. I've tried
to find that out, but I think there's a whole
lot there that's never surfaced, and it surfaced when I
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did an interview with him when he said, hey, I
bet on my team to win every night, as if
to say, hey, I didn't bet against them, I bet
for them to win. Well, I can still manipulate a lineup.
I can have somebody pitch and maybe you know, I
got a bet on the game, and I'm going to
bring John Franco in again on the you know, three
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days in a row. Like, you just can't do that,
even if you're betting on yourself. You can't. You're betting
on it. It's not like a boxer. Boxer can bet
on himself or UFC. You can bet on yourself. I
don't have any problem with that, unless you're betting on
yourself to lose, and then I have a problem with that.
But Pete is different. So I know people love to
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bring that up, and look, I love Pete, but I
know Pete should not be in the Baseball Hall of
Fame based off of gambling unless you want to put
him in and just say, hey, this is what Pete did,
which I'm okay with that because it's a museum.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And it's for you, not me. It's you the fans.
Do you want him in?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You want to read Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Pete Rose,
all these people, shoeless, Joe Jackson, fine fine. Pete has
benefited more by not being in the Hall of Fame
than he has going in.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
The Hall of Fame. That's how he's made his money.
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(35:14):
the Mothership, is going to get his heisman trophy back,
and we've got calls into a lot of people. There's
a few questions that I have about this, and I
would love to hear from the NC DOUBLEA and find
out if they're going to give USC the national title
back or at least look you give it another look,
because if you're going to give him his heisman back,
(35:36):
then you're saying, hey, given what's going on with Nil,
you know this isn't a big issue for us. Well
at the time it was, so now we're rewriting history here,
and if you want to give him his trophy back, great.
I would just be surprised if the NCUBLEA wasn't involved
in this, considering Reggie has a defamation lawsuit against the NCUBLEA.
(36:00):
Now let's just use common sense here, NC double A
heisman trust. Hey, can we how about we say to Reggie,
will give you the heisman back, you drop your defamation lawsuit.
Ooh yeah, that kind of makes sense. Do you think
this happened where it wasn't hand in hand between the
NC double A and the Heisman Trust. The Heisman Trust
(36:22):
just said, hey, this is what's going on now, and
this would be permittable.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
We would let you.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Do this, get a loan, Okay, So we'll keep an
eye on this as far as who can join us
to talk about this. North Carolina quarterback Drake May coming
up top of the hour, feels like feels like the
Giants might be in love with Drake May. Now not
(36:51):
quite sure if the Patriots are going to trade out
of three, but that so, if you're going to go
up to four or go up to five, then you
might not get your guy. So three seems like it's
really the place where if you want to get Michael
Pennix or JJ McCarthy or Drake May, that's where you
(37:11):
got to go. Because it feels like the commanders are
locked in with Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams going to
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
If I'm running New England, I would I would see
what I could get for three, because I don't want
to bring in another first round pick who's a quarterback
and then put him out there and you just don't
have the talent around him. Build your team and then
get your quarterback like the Niners did with Rock perty
(37:38):
build your team. Now you get your quarterback. Rock Purty
standing alone, if you put him in New England would
fail because he doesn't have these weapons there. He doesn't
have Debo, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Ayuk. But when you
have those weapons makes the game a whole lot easier. Really,
(38:00):
there's only one quarterback. When you think, when I look
at Mahomes and what he did with these wide receivers,
the quarterback makes a wide receiver better. I don't want
to draft a wide receiver to make my quarterback better.
I want to make sure that I get the quarterback
who makes the wide receiver better. And Mahomes is you
know that he's the anomaly here. You lose Tyreek Hill
(38:24):
and they won a couple of Super Bowls. I mean,
it's and it's not a threatening offense, although I do
think Andy Reid was smart to say we're sort of
a defensive team now and that's why they won the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (38:38):
Yes, Marvin, have you ever ran to a quarterback that
completely succeeded despite having a crappy organization, Like a organization
I wasn't stable or didn't have a lot of talent,
but he dragged them to a pretty good record in
his first year as a starter. Oh, I'm sure there
are examples. There are more examples of an organization that
(39:01):
failed a quarterback, not the other way around. And usually
we look at a bust and we blame the quarterback,
not the coach or the GM or the owner. But
it's usy on the quarterback here Reggie and Ventura. Hey,
Reg what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Hey Dan, I just got a quick question for you.
The loan that Reggie Bush took out from that marketing company,
how much was it? And I also want to say, hey,
when you retire, I think you just just do a
walkoff because I don't think there's anyone out there that
can replace you. When you guys take a day off.
You know, it's kind of rough listening to some of
(39:38):
these other guys try and imitate, you know, your stick.
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
All right, thank you, Reg? Was it six hundred thousand dollars? Palling?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
There's different reports that Reggie Bush the NSA put it
out there financial benefits worth more than one hundred thousand dollars,
whilst at usc from marketing agents the Yahoo Sports has
numbers on home loans out in the hold on hundreds
of thousands of dollars. So there's multiple reports.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Bill and Maryland. Hi, Bill, what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (40:08):
Good morning, Dan, long time fourth time five eleven one
seven five. Yeah, it really doesn't make any sense to
rewrite history. My mind went where you went, smu. I mean,
how far back do you go?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Do you go?
Speaker 12 (40:27):
Give Pete Maravich all his all his points if he
made three pointers based on where he shot him from,
it gets crazy. He had cast this on a few
years back, talking about the baseball steroid issue. He said,
why not just put an asterisk explaining what happened and
let the fan, let the viewer kind of understand. So
why not simply have a pre nil post NL when
(40:50):
it comes to college sports and just let the fan
understand the differences. Why do you have to go back
and try to change things. It just diminishes the credibility
of these awards.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
All right?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, thank you, Bill. Yeah, I don't know what happens
with Michigan with the FAB five. I mean, would that
be permissible?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Now? I'm guessing.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
This has to be just you know, this is a
one off the heisman NCAA and maybe trying to fend
off a defamation lawsuit. Hey, we'll give your heisman back everything. Okay,
good good. We did an interview with Reggie Bush not
too long ago, and I think I asked him, if
they gave you your heisman back, would you drop your defamation lawsuit.
(41:35):
We'll see if we can bring that back. Coming up
next hour, One Hour in the Books on this Wednesday,
more phone calls as well.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
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