April 25, 2024 • 48 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP previews tonight's NFL Draft and reveals some intel about who may be going where according to a source. Lead NFL Draft Analyst for Pro Football Focus Trevor Sikkema tells us which QB has the highest bust potential. Plus, NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah breaks down how he determined his final mock draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it. We did it. We made it to Thursday.
It's draft night. We got to get ready for our
reactions when our team selects somebody. Having been to the
draft a few times and I was always entertained by
the audience when their team was picking and they drafted
a center. How do you react when your team takes
(00:27):
a center. You're like, Alec Max California, Okay, okay, okay,
like it. Yeah, And the Kansas City Chiefs take Eric Fisher,
offensive lineman there for ten years. The Dolphins take Jake Long, all.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Maybe Oh the reaction though, when you don't take somebody
you know, and you're like, yeah, I'm hearing good things
about him. I am, because you're on camera and these
you know, draft knicks are there going yeah, we're with
our team. And you don't get a wide receiver, quarterback,
edge rusher. Like, if you get an edge rusher, it's
like yeah, But if you get an offensive tackle whose
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job is to protect your quarterback, you're not as excited.
We'd love to watch it tackle somebody, not block somebody.
Joe Alt, notre Dame. Yeah, so you gotta get ready
for your reactions tonight, because not everybody's getting a skilled
(01:45):
position player. All right, I got a couple of bold state,
not bold and not hot takes God forbid, but just
some strong comments here about the draft. I'll have that
for you coming up. All right, let me do all
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poll question for hour one is going to be what
right now?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And just typing up more likely to trade out of
their pick the Patriots or the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, I'm going to save the Cardinals. This is okay.
I got something for you now. I did get a
little bit of help. Did get a little bit of
help from a source said you wouldn't be might now.
He said, you wouldn't be wrong if you said the
(03:27):
following in his opinion that JJ McCarthy is not a
top five pick. And I said, well, wait a minute,
are you talking about the actuality of him taking in
the top five or talent wise? And he said both
that he thinks that this is we we create. We
created Will Levis last year. Like remember he's going to
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go in the top five. So there's certain players that
we create, and maybe there's hype Jim Harbaugh behind JJ McCarthy,
and his feeling is, well, he thinks JJ McCarthy is
going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL at
some point that have we created this JJ McCarthy buzz
And I said, okay, And he said another possibility is
(04:14):
that Yeah, Brock Bowers the great tight end at Georgia,
that he's the top ten talent, and although he's going
to be viewed sort of as a wide receiver, even
though he's a great tight end, that he thinks the
Colts might be all in to go up and get
Rock Bowers. I said, okay, so those are just some
of the thoughts. Also the Chargers when this first started
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and I said, I'm told they're going offensive lineman, and
then all of a sudden we had all of this.
They're going to trade out and you know they're going
to maybe take all from Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
J C.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Latham is now the latest we have. Let's see Daniel
Jeremies mock draft. Also Peter Schrager today from NFL Network
they have Chargers taken in offense and sublimeman. You know,
Jim Harball is going to do old school. He's not
a fancy guy. He's going to get back to blocking, tackling,
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and if you need a big play then you know
Justin Herbert's going to hopefully help you out there. That's
what Jim does. That's how he's built his teams everywhere.
San Diego, Stanford Niners, Michigan and now back to the NFL.
But these are just some of the things. Now, granted,
this is one person's opinion, somebody who I trust, who's
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saying we created Jim Harball helped create JJ McCarthy, that
really good quarterback at Michigan. But is he a top
five pick? And I said, okay, so I'm thinking about
if I said the over under for JJ McCarthy is
five and a half right now, what would you take?
(05:49):
Is anybody taking the under on JJ McCarthy Seaton and
saying he'll go later?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Then?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No, you think he'll go inside the top five? Oh? No,
definitely not. Okay, anybody think because I was also, you know,
I ask about this with the Giants. The Giants keep
telling us they're taking a quarterback, right have you heard
the Giants are taking anybody else? But yeah, you know,
what if they really like Drake May and they really
like JJ McCarthy, Hey what if Penix, if they could
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you know somehow get I was like, okay, So I
don't I never trust somebody if they tell you what
they're going to do. And the Giants keep saying they're
going to take quarterback, what if they don't what if
they go, we were taking wide receiver all along here
or offensive linemen here. So those are a couple of
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observations from somebody who I trust, who was telling me
this morning because I said, there's no real buzz here,
there's nothing happening yet. And his thought was he sees
Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, the Cardinals probably take
Marvin Harrison, the Chargers take an offensive lineman. Then he said,
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you know, the Giants might take a wide receiver. Then
it gets a little more interesting. Seven, eight, nine, ten,
gets a little more interesting. Where's Michael Pennix bo Nix?
Does Denver wait? So there's there's a lot of things
that are going on behind the scenes. You know, does
JJ McCarthy just drop down to the vikings that they
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don't have to trade? So these are just some of
the things that are at least being discussed with no
agenda attached to this, because my source, you know, there's
he doesn't have an agenda with this. He just says, hey,
sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. But these are things
that you know, he's been at the combine, he's been
in these interview rooms, so he knows what's going on
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with a lot of these draft picks, and also the
tendencies for gms, because that's another thing. If you have
certain gms who like to trade down. You know, the
Eagles may be trading up, you know, just tendencies that
you have Patriots trade down, you know the Raiders with
that GM, is he gonna trade down?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah, Paulie, it's really interesting the way the draft sets up.
The second hour of the draft could be more interesting
than the first hour. Minnesota's at eleven, Denver's at twelve,
Las Vegas at thirteen. All three of those reportedly want quarterbacks.
Who sits in wait, So it's interering that the second
hour could be fun.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, And that's how this was presented. Because you have campaigns,
you have agents involved agents, the media. The media gobbles
it up. The media wants information. All of a sudden,
somebody says, hey, you know what I'm hearing, Great, I
got new content here. And look, I've said this before.
(08:46):
With the Chargers, I thought brock Bowers made you know,
because they lost their wide receivers. Do they go after
brock Bauers. Well, he's not your typical tight end. He's
a tight end that can get down the field. I
don't know if Jim Harball wants a George Kittle type
who can run or he can block, but he can
also catch and run. Not that there are a lot
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of George Kittles. But you got Sam Laporta, you know,
out of Iowa last year in the second round. I believe.
And that's another thing that I was told this morning. Man,
I'm out of breath because he gave me so much information.
He said, you know, teams build, you know, two through seven.
Like first round is great, you can't miss on that,
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but two through seven is where you build a roster.
And if you look at what some of these teams
you know, did last year when you're when you're looking
at these picks and you're going, So the league's four
highest paid wide receivers, I'm on Ross, Saint Brown, Cooper Cup,
Stefan Digg's, Tyree Kill. They were selected Day two or later.
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Travis Kelcey, George Kittle, Mark Andrews, Sam Laporta. They weren't
selected in the first round, Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor, Nick Chubb.
They were selected in round two. So as much a
as we give the first round, certainly the quarterbacks. You're
going to build your roster and you're going to look
back and say, where'd they draft that guy? Where'd they
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get him? And then chances are it won't be in
the first round. But just some information here to start
off your day. Got a long day ahead of us.
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some basketball last night. We'll recap that in a little
greater detail. The draft starts at eight Eastern tonight. But
(10:31):
he beat the Celtics last night, thunder Roll the Pelicans tonight, Cabs,
Magic Nick, seventy six Ers, Nuggets, and the Lakers. What
do we have today? Here's another one for you. A
wide receiver more likely to be traded today? Oh, Brandon
Ayuk or T Higgins. I'm going to say neither because
(10:53):
I think maybe after the draft, because if teams go, hey,
if we get that guy and we're not interested. But
if we don't get that guy, then all right, what
are we giving up for Brandon Nayuk or T Higgins?
So I would say neither gets traded. Maybe after the draft,
(11:14):
maybe over the weekend or next week. Yes, Paul the
sauce that pull up.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
We add Justin Jefferson and DeVante Adams. Well, whilst unlikely possible.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I would say neither. I don't think anybody's getting traded yet.
T Higgins once out and uh and Brandon Nayuk. I
think once out as well, although the Niners say, hey,
we want to keep you, but if you're interested, how
about a first round draft pick?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
But of the two, which one would be more likely,
even if you don't think either one of them is
gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're pressing me? Yes now, I am okay. I want
you to answer the question. Answer that question. I want
the truth. It's the legendary scene and I just watched
that movie. Okay two weeks ago. Did he over act
in that scene? Who? Nickols? No?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I thought you're gonna say, Tom Cruise, Well, I was
going to say that too, And it turns out that's
kind of his move.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Tom Cruise over acting. It felt like he was trying
to keep up with Nicholson, right, because because Jack just
has that where Tom does it, So I think Tom
had to kind of Nicholson the scene a little bit.
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Tom Cruise made an unbelievable career out of being a
semi charming wise ass in every movie and essentially who
he is.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And a guy who runs in every movie every movie.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Yes, right, I think people think that's a classic scene.
I think they think Cruise killed that one. Yeah, like
I think they think they think he did.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, but as an actor, guy's an actor watching it,
you should go.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Back and watch it. Yeah, Rewatching movies now is funny. Well,
the credits in the beginning of that movie take about
fifteen minutes to end. Remember when that was a thing
in movie The credits would be the beginning, it would
be it was, it's the first fifteen minutes of the movie.
You're still like cinematography, Jimmy Lifford, Oh my god, they're
still doing it. I thought it was always at the
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end of the movie. No, it's back in the eighties nineties.
Is the whole beginning of the movie.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
I think a few good men holds up. Like if
someone watch it now for the first time, I think
they would think it's a good movie, a very good movie.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
We still use the expression code red. We just did
that with the Celtics in the Heat. Yeah. Brian Scalabrini
said that they ordered a code red on Jason Tatum.
I eat my breakfast one hundred yards and then chained
to kill me. You cannot possibly fathom the responsibility? Yes, Mark,
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should I watch a few good men? Oh my god?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Now leave, go and watch it. Hol Hal and to
me more, she made me want to enlist.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
To me more, absolutely up for more because he had
no code. Yeah, you know who's still great in that movie? Though?
His performance is phenomenal, spotless. I don't know his name,
you do, though. He plays a minor role, but he's
(14:18):
he's fantastic in it. He's just such a slimy.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Key for southern Yes, Oh my gosh, is he's so
good in that?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I thought you were going to talk about the other
attorney working with to me Moore, Kevin Pollack.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Kevin Bacons did it as well?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, Kevin Bacon, Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Any who.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Sidetracking, Nobody covers the drag. Nobody, Nobody gets sidetracked the
way we do.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
All right, let me take a break, settle on a pole. Question.
Got a busy uh two and a half hours here
when uh, and we'll keep an eye on things we got. Uh.
Let's see who do we have? Oh Trevor Sikima. This
dude is great Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst. He
tells me something new every single time he's on Daniel
Jeremiah NFL Network. He just released his mock draft and
(15:09):
by putting J. C. Latham offensive lineman with the Chargers,
he changed the odds. He actually affected the betting odds
and certainly with the Chargers. So that's the kind of input.
And isn't he a radio analyst for the Chargers. Time
is all right, just getting started and we'll take a
(15:31):
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We'll check in with the lead draft analyst from Pro
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We've been doing draft comps as we always do it.
This time, NFL dot Com has draft comps, so we've
had Michael Pennick's junior Lad McConkey. We've had Brock Bowers, Michael, Yeah,
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Michael Pennix, anybody else that we have. I'm gonna give
you guys a really easy one O Marvin Harrison Junior.
The third right.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm gonna give the entire room one guest on this
one because I'm very easy one. Malik Neighbors LSU wide receiver.
His player comp is.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Go simple, Okay, his player comp is Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
It's Justin Jefferson also out of LSU.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, okay, could have gone Jamar Chase there too. I
guess you look at these teams like Texas and LSU
had some wide receivers, and that's where it's always difficult.
Like Alabama, when you're assessing quarterbacks, You're like, I don't
know how good he is because those wide receivers were
really good. How about a Caleb Williams draft camp.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
He hadn't done that yet, Okay, all right, Caleb Williams
of the USC he's listed at just under six one
two fourteen.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh so he's under six to one. Yeah, there's my
hint too.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Short player comp from Lan Zerland at NFL dot com.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Russell Wilson, No, Todd, Steve Young.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Is mobile?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Run Are you listening?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, I'm calling with Steve.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
You short?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Was the hint more than Drew Brees.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
No, I see where you're going there modern Seaton.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Uh we already said Russell, Yeah, I think shorter.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Sure, but it's not Kyler Murray. Thank you, thank you,
Blue Blue, Blue Blue. That's a good one. Kyler is
right in front of our It was it was in
your face, in your face, Trevor Sikima. He is really smart.
He's going to prove it. I'm putting pressure on him.
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NFL Draft analysts for Pro Football Focus their lead draft analysts,
and you can go and watch there and listen to
and assess their mock draft Pro Football Focus Mock Draft simulator.
Go to PFF dot com slash mock Trevor Sikimon joining
us on the program. All Right, if you had to
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pick a quarterback who wasn't going to work out, who
would it be?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We're starting off with an absolute fastball here.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's that's good.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh, by the way, I forgot.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
To do this because I was excited last time that
I was on but five to eleven one seventy said,
say that a quarterback that I think wouldn't work out.
I'm a little worried about Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I am.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
I think that there is a infatuation with what he
can do as a runner, but it's not exactly what
every running quarterback brings to the table.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Right, first and foremost, I think he has to protect himself.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Right, if you're going to make the most out of
that rushing ability with him, you've got to be able
to protect yourself a lot better than how he protected
himself even last year.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I mean, it's like this guy was.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
On a WWE highlight film getting thrown off of a
cage sometimes when he was running and scrambling for first downs,
it's just not going to work at the NFL level.
We've even seen that with guys like Lamar Jackson and
Josh Allen have to protect themselves a little bit more,
and so I'm a little bit worried about that with
the durability.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And then I think with Daniels, his offense.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
At LSU was a lot of throws outside of the
numbers to the side, and that can still exist at
the NFL level. But when you look at how you
really have a ton of success in this league, you've
got to be able to make defenses, to fade, defend
every blade of grass, if you will, That includes over
the middle of the field, and he just does not
do that a lot. There's only been thirty passing attempts
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that he has over the middle of the field out
of the four hundred that he attempted last year.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
He just doesn't do it very often.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
So that's something that he's going to have to kind
of learn how to do to really become that worthy
number two overall pick, because we kind of assume that
he's going to be that number two overall pick to Washington.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
And then I think the scrambling ability too.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
A lot of people look at him and say, oh,
look at how athletic he is. Look at how good
of a rusher he is. He's going to be this
great scrambling on the run type of quarterback. He doesn't
do it very often. In fact, hit less than half
the attempts on the run outside of the pocket last
year than even Michael Pennix Junior did. Michael Penix Junior
is known as this hocket between the tackles type of
a quarterback, and he even he had more than double
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the scrambling throws that Jaden Daniels had. So I like
Daniels a lot, but it feels as though we're looking
at some of his natural gifts and just thinking that
he's already there in terms of making those types of
plays at the NFL level, and those are still things
that he has to get better and even evolve that
in order for him to really be that caliber of
a quarterback at the pro level.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
For not expecting a fastball, you turned on it pretty
well there, Trav just saying, well, good, well, that's good,
that's good. Least doubt about what quarterback.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
I think Caleb has to be the answer here, right,
I mean, I look at these other quarterbacks in this class,
and there's a reason why he is the number one
overall pick.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Now.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
I get it, it's not like he's a perfect prospect,
but look at Trevor Lawrence. I mean when he was
coming out in his class, well like he was the
perfect prospect, and yet there are still things that he
has struggled with and needed to get better with at
the NFL level. And so why not look at Caleb
Williams and just look at the unbelievable arm, talent, instincts,
backyard playmaking ability, how he can play outside of structure,
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how he deals with pressure, how he can become that
superman every single play. And as some people look at
that Superman complex as a little bit of a negative
there from him, but that is also what gives me
the most confidence that he can make it in this league, right,
I think safe part of that question is tough to
answer because I could tell you guys that could be
(22:37):
backups in this league for ten years, but they're not
going to perform at the level that a Caleb Williams
or even a Drake may or Jayden Daniels and JJ
McCarthy are asked demanded, I should say to perform at
and I think that Caleb gives me the most faith
that he's going to be able to do that. When
you look at the plays within structure where he wasn't
moved or pressure that time to throw average.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's normal two point six y one. It's the same
as every other quarterback out there. In fact, it's a
little quicker than it is with some of these guys.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
It's those Superman plays where he got out of the
pocket and I felt like in the back of his
head he says final score fifty. Today my teammate't win it,
And I think that it's hopefully going to be a
little bit better for him at the NFL level. And
just so the overall talent, the playmaking ability, he's number
one on my big board. He's been number one wire
to wire for a reason. I've got to go with
Catera Williams. All right, let's go at positional value. If
(23:27):
I said, you can have the best tight end or
the best wide receiver, but we're looking at positional value.
Why is it that brock Bauers is maybe going to
be tenth, whereas Marvin Harrison and Malik Neighbors, they're going
to be taking ahead of him. If brock Bauers is
a generational talent, then doesn't make sense I'm going to
(23:49):
have to I can pay him less with his position
than I can these wide receivers. Yeah, and I think
that that's obviously a lot of parts of the conversation
that you're having of where do you draft tight end?
You know, we have this conversation with Kyle Pitts as well,
because he's sort of that guy that you looked at
and you're like, all right, well, he's not a traditional
tight end. You're not going to play him in line
a ton And that's the same story with brock Bowers.
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You know, he's six foot four, two hundred and forty pounds, right,
He's not going to sit on the line of scrimmage
and you're not going to ask him to block five
technique six technique defensive ends, Like it's just not going
to happen. So in reality, you're projecting him more. The
value that you're going to get for him, that return
on investment is going to come as a wide receiver.
And even if I were to look at brock Bauers
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in this class, I would probably stack him up as
wide receiver three or four, right, so where he's getting
drafted around or sometimes even a little bit behind Romo
Dunes as that wide receiver three, to me, that's right
in line. Like to me, that's right in line with
the value that he's going to bring you for your team.
I think that Marvin Harrison Junior and Malik Neighbors specifically
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those wide receivers, to your question, they just naturally get
involved in the offense more. Now, that doesn't take too
much away from what Browers did, because we saw Georgia
he was an ultimate weapon for them, especially after the catch.
But I think that when you're stacking him up specifically
against these really good wide receivers at the top of
the class, those guys win more individually through their separation
(25:20):
and their routes than Bowers does. Bowers was a big,
contested catch, yards after catch type of a tight end,
slash receiver, whatever you wanted to call him.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
At Georgia.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
That's still going to work at the NFL level, but
the NFL it's a bigger.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Faster, stronger everywhere.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
So just naturally a lot of those opportunities to have
those contested catches, to get those yards after catch, even
though they're going to be there, it's not going to
be as much whereas Harrison, junior elite neighbors, even Romo Dunze.
Those guys are I think, winning more one on ones,
with more nuanced, with better route running. You could play
them on the outside, you could play them in slot,
just like you could with Bowers, and I've got more
(25:58):
faith that they're winning more individually. So that to me
is how we got to this point where even if
you stack Bowers up as a wide receiver, he'd be
wide receiver three or four in this class. But the
financial part of it, obviously you mentioned, is the interesting
conversation because if you draft him in the top ten
is a tight end, he automatically becomes like a top
(26:19):
ten tight end in the NFL for his contract and
how much guaranteed money he's going to get with the
rookie wage scale. But if you're saying that he is
a wide receiver, well, all of a sudden, it's a
bargain if he works out. But even with that being
the case, I still think that's where he would rank
and stack up with those receivers.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Trevor Sikima is the Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst,
joining us on the program if Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence,
and Joe Burrow were all available tonight, your selection would be.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
So I'm trying to take I'm trying to take only
what I thought of these guys in.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
College in the consideration.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
That's right, because I've actually had this conversation with some
friends over the last couple of days, is who you'd take,
and sometimes we've gone back and we put Andrew Luck
in this conversation as well. I think that you could
probably throw him an RG three from that draft and
give you a solid five to choose from. But just
remembering these players as prospects, I would have been taking
Trevor Lawrence from what I thought of him coming out
of Clemson. He would have been my choice there. And
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I think that it really would have been a toss
up after that between kind of what your preference is, right,
because Burrow is a different type of quarterback than Caleb Williams.
I feel as though I maybe would have leaned Burrow
with him coming out of college. But I tried to
put myself in my shoes a couple of years ago
and think man Burrow's season was unbelievable, but it was a.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
One year wonder with him at LSU.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
It's not like we had all of these years with
the Cincinnati Bengals for him to have solidified that that
was going to be the quarterback that he was going
to be. So I think I leaned Burrow from what
I thought of him after that twenty twenty one season,
But what Caleb has been able to do over the
last couple of years that might have weighed more to me.
So pretty confident I would have taken Trevor Lawrence over
these guys as who they were as prospects.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But I think it's pretty close debate after that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I don't know what the philosophy is. I guess it
depends on the team. But it feels like maybe the
Patriots learn from Mac Jones that we do need to
have a pretty good team around him. Maybe the Bears
learned that with Justin Fields. Let's build a pretty good team,
then get our quarterback, as opposed to get our quarterback
and then build around him. And that's what I wonder
what the Patriots do with three.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
I hear what you're saying, because obviously it makes sense,
right what comes first, the quarterback or the egg?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Right?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
I mean, like that's the phrase that everybody kind of
combines and that you wonder is it worth it to
draft the quarterback early if you have the opportunity, knowing
that you might waste a couple of years of their
rookie contract because you've got to build out the rest
of the team. I still think if you have an
opportunity to take a quarterback that you think will be
this difference maker for.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You, you do it.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
You just don't get this many opportunities, even for a
team that believes that they're in a multi year rebuild,
just doesn't happen very often. And I mean the Houston
Texans last year a perfect example. Sometimes it just takes
a new head coach and one new quarterback to make
all the difference in the world, and boom, the acceleration
of the rebuild is faster than you ever thought it
could be.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So I think the stories like.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
That give these teams faith that when they have the
opportunity to take a quarterback, they will take one. And
for the Patriots, we have talked a lot about them
potentially trading down for the exact reasons that you brought up.
They could draft a really good offensive linement in this class.
They could get a surefire wide receiver one. You know,
you can build out the rest of that team before
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you go and get that quarterback and not have to
throw them to the wolves if you will. But to me,
it still doesn't make sense with where this team is.
And you brought up the mac Jones example, and I
do think that that's a little bit of a hey,
do we kind of jump the gun here? Team wasn't
really good, Mac wasn't really able to elevate. But I
also think that the mac Jones example is a louder
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voice for we have to get better at quarter just
straight up for our fan base and our franchise alone.
I think that's a big reason why you're going to
see a quarterback no matter what, for them at number
three overall. I would be shocked if they traded the
number three overall pick.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I really really would.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Great stuff. Good to talk to you again, have fun tonight.
Thank you, Trevor, appreciate it. Dbat anytime that's Trevor sickamou
I told you he'd have some information, you know, the
Jad and Daniels part of that I found really interesting
at you know, his throws A lot of times when
you watch college and you know, Oklahoma and Alabama always
came to mind. I was like, are these quarterbacks as
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good as we think they are? Because you're playing in
a system you got great wide receivers or great offensive line,
offensive minded head coach and Lincoln Ronnie and you're just
trying to understand this because I don't know if people
looked at Jaden Daniels this way when he was at
Arizona State and things didn't end well there, and then
he goes to LSU and then he has this Joe
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Burrow like season. So the sample size is the one
year that he was unbelievable at l while he was
exciting at Arizona State. I don't know if people projected
him to even be a first round draft pick, second
round draft. It's weird how you can elevate your game
and a lot of times you elevate your game because
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people now see you. Because there can be a defensive
back at Toledo who might be an All Pro, but
unless you watch Macchin then you probably have no idea.
So that person's going to be like, oh, wow, where'd
this guy come from? Well, the people who scout he's
been there. We'll talk to our good buddy Daniel Jeremiah.
(31:37):
He had his final mock draft that came out this
morning and it's got some people talking, so he'll join
us coming up a little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (31:54):
Daniel Jeremiah said to join us. He's a host to
Move the Sticks podcast, NFL Network analyst, former front office executive,
and he dropped his final mock draft today and he'll
be on the call with the draft tonight with Rich
Eisen at eight Eastern on NFL Network. We're gonna do
this together. Daniel Pauli has a draft comp nfl dot
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Com for bow Knicks. Now, I'm gonna let you have
the first guess player comp Bo Nicks, current or former
player for bo Nix is who Okay?
Speaker 8 (32:32):
My first get Well, my comp form was Tua was
a right handed Tua, So.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That was my comp. WHOA okay, So he's got Tua Todd.
What about you, the player comp for bow Knicks.
Speaker 9 (32:46):
I'm gonna say you weren't ready for this question, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna see it and I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Gonna go to you and Andy do Hey, I don't know, Uh,
were you were ready for the Is anybody listening around here? Line? No,
I was gonna say, like Tony Romo, Tony.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Romo, Okay, Paul, I know it, So you got to
guess a lost Okay, let me see.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm gonna go Josh Allen. Okay.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
This is from lanceor Line. NFL dot com player com
for bon Nicks is Tony Romo.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Marvin, Okay, maybe you were listening, Marvin. No, yeah, that
was Yeah, you weren't listening, were you?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I was?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I got it right, I know, but it was kind
of a desperate Tony there. All right. Uh, explain how
you do your mock draft.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
I do with the mock draft off of what I'm hearing.
So it's you know, talking to different people. I always
explain it Dan when we when we talk about this
is the top one fifty list. How I ranked the
player is how I stacked the players. That's my eyes,
that's what I see. That's my opinion of the players.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
The mock draft is based off of conversations with you know,
NFL teams. It's you know, who they worked out with.
It's talking to college coaches. I called an offensive line
coach uh for an SEC team last week.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I called him.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
I said, how's it going? He goes, I'm fishing. I go,
all right, I'm not going to take too much of
your time. Who's called you the like most on your tackle?
What team has spent the most time with you? He
gave me the team Boom, there he goes. In the
mock draft, there's a lot of a lot of thought that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So you got your Chargers information by calling well done,
well done?
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Okay, right right, hey, hey right church wrong pew.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh okay, all right, So maybe you called somebody from
Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
No I was singing SEC SEC Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I don't think JJ McCarthy's going forth. I get the
feeling that we're gonna have three quidquarterbacks. And then maybe
maybe Arizona just says, look, we got Marvin Harrison right
in front of us. Unless you blow us away. We
got a guy that can help Kyler Murray, and he's
the best player in the draft, best receiver in the draft.
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And then I don't think the Giants are taking a
quarterback because it feels like they keep telling us or
their leaks or they're taking a quarterback, I don't believe, Like,
why would they tell you what they're going to do.
So that's just some of my observations here that and
what do you think of those?
Speaker 8 (35:29):
I absolutely co sign on all of them. Okay, That's
why I've had the same thing going I had. I personally,
I believe the Minnesota Vikings and the Giants are going
to try and they're going to keep trying until the
pick is in at three to get up for Drake
May at three with New England, they're going to keep
trying to put more in the pot and really try
and fry him out of New England. But if New
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England sticks and picks at three and that's Drake May
and those top three quarterbacks are gone, I believe that
the as you do. I think Drake May was a
Giants guy. I don't. I've never thought of them as
JJ McCarthy team. And maybe that'll be the surprise and
I'll be glad to be wrong and it'll be fun
TV if they decide to do that. And I think
the Minnesota Vikings all in for Drake May, but comfortable
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with McCarthy or with Pennix, no one, you know, to me, Dan,
it helps when you put names with this, right, So
I don't want to part with pick twenty three, and
sometimes that doesn't compete with people. Well let's put a name.
Let's says Chop Robinson is picked twenty three. So if
you're comparing JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix, you're really not
if I have to trade all the way up to
get JJ McCarthy and I have to trade, part of
(36:32):
that package is Chop Robinson. I'd rather have Michael Pennox
and Chop Robinson the JJ McCarthy. So that's part of
that calculus and why I think Minnesota might hold their water?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
And I'm curious about this that you want kind of
chaos because you're going to be on the broadcast tonight,
But then do you want chaos that disrupts your mock draft.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Once the mock draft show is over at nine o'clock
Eastern last night. I don't give it those picks I
get right, I mean, come on, it's like I just
told you, I just put a player in a mock
draft based off talking to a coach on a fishing boat.
So I mean, I'm not going to get too hung
up on being right or wrong on those. I want
the most entertaining, action packed first round. I want the
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surprise at a left field because it is. I mean,
I'm fortunate, Dan. You know these guys I get to
be with, and when when you're when you're with Rich
and you're with Charles Davis who does all the NFL games.
You've got Joel Klatt, who's called sixteen Michigan games. Like
I'm looking forward to those conversations. I hope we're surprised
as heck when these pick comes in.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
The quarterback that might not work out is who?
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Well, I've always said, I got the opposite question of
who do you think is going to be a home run?
And my answer as always, well who does Minnesota get?
You know, the situation really matters there? Who might not
work out? I would say that the situation I would
be worried about most is probably New England if you
get rushed onto the field. I just I know Elliott
Wolf got upset about that, and he's pushed back and
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said he thinks they have the infrastructure to support a quarterback.
And I was there calling the Charger game last year, Dan,
and they didn't score points. So maybe I'm jaded on
that one. They've got some work to do.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I wonder what comes first, you know, the quarterback
or the team. And I don't know if New England
learned from mac Jones. We got to have a team
before we send Drake May out there, because then Drake
May and you know, confidence plays such an important role
with that position, and mac Jones's confidence was shot. So
(38:30):
that's where I'm wondering, do you just trade down and
try to you know, let's get some pieces here that
can make you full. Not Drake May go out Drake
May's not going to go out there and win games
on his own right away. You know, Caleb can. I
guess Jayden Daniels can. But I don't know if any
of these other quarterbacks You're going to say, go out there, Hey,
(38:50):
make some magic here. What do you think of that
logic for New England?
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Yeah? Two thoughts. One, If I'm Drake May and I
get elected three by the New England Patriots, the first
thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna send Jacoby Brussett
five thousand dollars worth of SPA treatments and say stay
stretched out. I want you to stay nice and Limber.
We got to get you through this season before we
can get some more help than I can go play.
That's the first thing I'm doing. The second thing I
(39:17):
was thinking of is that conversation that you just had
or that thought you just had. Do you think that
Kevin O'Connell, who was teammates with Jarrod Mayo, is he
not calling Garrod Mayo and saying, Gerroid, your team's not
ready for a quarterback. Come on, man, I've got all
these picks. You come back here, you build up your team,
and then I go up and get my quarterback.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Good call. If Andrew Luck, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and
Caleb Williams were all available tonight.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Oh, Andrew Luck would be one for me. I still,
that's as good a great as I've ever given a quarterback.
Joe Burrow would be two. Then you said Trevor Lawrence. Yeah,
and then yeah with Trevor Lawrence, and then Caleb will
be in that order for me, And I like and
not these are I mean not like Caleb was my
top player in the draft. I love him, but stacked
in that company, he'd be the he'd be the last one.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, But Caleb was supposed to be generational. I hate
that word.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
By the way, if you retired that.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Hey, I'm just I'm just mocking with the mock draft. Guys,
the analyst are all telling me all these things. He generational,
he generational. He's then next pastor.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
I need to preface this by saying, we have great editors,
and I love ours. But if that's that, that maybe
is in a report that I have, But I can
guarantee you it was not that I wrote it. I
probably wrote something and it wasn't very flowery and didn't
sound good, and that guy edited in.
Speaker 9 (40:33):
But I do not.
Speaker 8 (40:34):
Enjoy that work.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Okay, when's the last time you didn't like a quarterback?
But he worked out.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
Where I didn't like a quarterback and he worked out.
That's a great question. Wow, I mean the guy in
San Francisco turned out all right. It turns out maybe
I was wrong on brock Purty, as was the rest
of the world. But that's one where I remember. I
remember literally, you know, you get calls from agents all
the time, and uh, I mean, I should probably send
an apology because I don't even remember who it was.
But I do remember at one point time getting a
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call saying, Hey, I think I can get this quarterback
from Iowa State. And I'm like, I mean, go ahead,
but he's going to be practice squad, you know, maybe
drafted late, probably a priority free agent. You know, you
probably can go, you know, hunt some other guys. Yeah,
but Daniel Week, I probably I probably cost that agent
a lot of money on that second contract.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You think, But let's be fair. If brock Perty played
on Carolina.
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Yeah, you know what looks different.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
He not rock Perty.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Yeah. Well that's why that's my whole point when we
were talking about earlier, because people ask you before the draft,
which one of these quarterbacks is going to hit it big?
And it'd be like in the past, like, well, which
one gets to go play for Andy Reid and then
which one gets to go to Minnesota with all their
weapons and Kevin O'Connell Collin plays in a really good
offensive line and a premier left tackle and a good
tight end. Like the situation, I don't know that it
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gets enough attention. And I know I get pushbacks saying,
oh that's a cop out. That's an excuse for you
to make if you like the player and he didn't
pan out, And I'm like, I don't know how you
divorce yourself from that though. I mean, how many of
these guys are truly on a level where they transform
their environment like That's just those are so so few
and far between.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, even Mahomes, I've said this in my audience, probably
hates hearing it. But if you put him on Carolina,
he's not Patrick Mahomes's. He's probably a great curiosity and
we go. Boy, if they ever surround him with talent,
it's you have to have. You know, your offensive coordinator
has been there a while, and your head coach has
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been there for a while. You have an offensive line,
maybe a weapon or two. I mean, there's really a
blueprint for success for these quarterbacks. It's rare. You know,
David Klingler go in there, make some magic there. David
or Tim Couch go in there. Had they gone elsewhere,
maybe they could have been successful. You know, David Carr,
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he's as talented as anybody I've seen in a long time.
I mean, his confidence was gone. You know, Tua goes
to a situation where you got a brilliant, offensive minded
head coach and two of the fastest receivers in the game.
You know, you could if I put two in Carolina.
He's not doing anything like this.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
Well, think about this. I mean, and you've seen the
numbers that just came in on the two guys that
Detroit Lions just resigned in Saint Brown and Sewel. Now
the next one they're going to do is going to
be Jared Goff, and it's going to be a massive,
massive number with where he is. Think about Jared Goff.
If Sean McVeigh never gets to la like, think about
where that was trending for his career and how much
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that that change that as is still a young guy,
but he was getting ready to be top side and
he cranks back up his career to the point where
he might end up being, if not the top, he
might he's going to be like a top three paid
quarterback in the NFL before too long.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Would you pay him that kind of money?
Speaker 8 (43:49):
I think right now you're in your window and I
think you don't. And he's in his prime and he's
played well enough. Yeah, I think the way they've constructed
their team, I think I would. I just I know this.
He fits in it. And maybe the best movie of
the offseason is not going to be talked about, but
when Ben Johnson orchestrates that offense and then somehow they
kept him, you know, So that was an incredible coup
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for them.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
What's the most radical rumor you've heard so far?
Speaker 8 (44:16):
Well, I tweeted it out a little bit ago, and
it's so complicated, Dan that I'm gonna I'm gonna actually
have to pull it back up and read my own
tweet because there's no way I could remember it.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
So this is this is not a rumor. Just let
everybody know this was this.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
So here it goes. Minnesota gets up to three with
New England, so the eleventh pick goes to New England.
Right after that, New England takes the same eleventh pick
and they come up to four with Arizona. Right after that, Arizona,
who now owns the eleventh pick, comes up to five
with the Chargers. So to summarise three Minnesota, they get
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Drake May for New England. They end up just ultimately
going back one spot and they get JJ McCarthy plus
will end up with an extra pick right five Arizona.
They've now still just dropped back one spot. They get
the same guy that they would take in Marvin Harrison Junior.
They get maybe a little extra pick there, and then
the Chargers have made the move from five all the
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way down to eleven, which would be a nice haul
for them. They would be the one who ended up
with the majority of the Vikings picks. But everybody kind
of gets what they want and then they get a
little bit plus who they were going to take there.
So it's a lot to take in. But that was
presented to me this morning and I had to write
it down and stare at it for about five minutes
before it sunk in.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Okay, your pick for the Chargers got my attention because
you're an analyst for the Chargers, and aside from being
with the NFL network, you know Harball with how he
builds a team. Does Harball truly go offensive line? Is
that the right pick for the Chargers?
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Well, you know, I did a couple of trades in there.
I didn't want to do a million trades on them
mock draft because it just kind of gets all messy.
So I was connecting them with Latham. I think that
would be the ideal move if they got back to eleven.
They go from five to eleven, that's the fit. But look,
there's a chance they can't get out and they're stuck there.
And so I you know, this is not based off
of talking to Joe Ortiz. It's just based off of
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looking at the situation and saying, Latham, he's playing right tackle.
That's he's a big, powerful guy. He's young. Harball recruited him,
so he's familiar with him. Joe Ortiz, who's with the
Ravens for twenty five years, and when you're with Ozzie
Newsen for twenty five years, you become very invested, even
as an Auburn graduate in Alabama football players. He has
a close relationship with Nick Saban. He'll ovaal the But.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Then you used to work for the Ravens as well.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
There I did, I did, Yeah, but I got literally, uh,
I got a text from from Ortiz this morning, which
is the first communication we've had in two weeks. Because
I've learned a lot over the years doing this job,
Dan that your friends they just don't want to lie
to you, so they just ignore you for two weeks.
So but that you know that to me, it feels
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like when Harbob and this is again, this is just
a theory. This is not based off the conversation. Remember
when Harbaugh got to Stanford. Think about the landscape with
the Pack twelve. At that time, Oregon was humming high
flying sc was rolling high flying teams. Now he comes
into a division with the Kansas City Chiefs. He didn't
go to Stanford and say, I'm going to get all
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this speed and I'm going to compete in this track meet.
He went out and signed every offensive lineman and tight
end he could find and try and ran the ball
down their throats. And so that's the formula that I'm
using for this pick to justify why they would take Latham.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do the Rams draft Matthew Stafford's successor.
Speaker 8 (47:46):
I that rumor has been flown around and and everybody's
I don't know if it's out there, but everybody in
the league is talking about the fact that you know,
Les Sneed was, you know, was college roommates with with
bo Nix's dad. So that's the connection that's been made there.
And then I find out, well, they haven't really done
a ton of work on bo Nicks. And I told
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that to a team. I said, they're not going to
take Bonix, they really haven't done much work on and
they go, you don't need to do work on He
was roommates with his dad. You think he doesn't know
this kid, And I'm like, this is so much garbage
floating around here. I don't I don't think. I think
they're going to try and get somebody to help Stafford,
not replace them.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Great to talk to you, have fun tonight. Thanks buddy.
Speaker 8 (48:25):
I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I need.
Speaker 8 (48:26):
I need my Dan Patrick text tonight, so I'm always
the best.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'll text you, but I'll make sure that you're not
on the air. I'll do it during a commercial break. Okay,
you're the best funnybody. Thank you. Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network analyst,
chargers radio analyst, host of Moving the Sticks podcast. He'll
be right next to Rich Eisen in company Charles Davis.
That'll be coming up tonight, NFL Network giving you their
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it. We did it. We made it to Thursday.
It's draft night. We got to get ready for our
reactions when our team selects somebody. Having been to the
draft a few times and I was always entertained by
the audience when their team was picking and they drafted
a center. How do you react when your team takes
(00:27):
a center. You're like, Alec Max California, Okay, okay, okay,
like it. Yeah, And the Kansas City Chiefs take Eric Fisher,
offensive lineman there for ten years. The Dolphins take Jake Long, all.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Maybe Oh the reaction though, when you don't take somebody
you know, and you're like, yeah, I'm hearing good things
about him. I am, because you're on camera and these
you know, draft knicks are there going yeah, we're with
our team. And you don't get a wide receiver, quarterback,
edge rusher. Like, if you get an edge rusher, it's
like yeah, But if you get an offensive tackle whose
(01:23):
job is to protect your quarterback, you're not as excited.
We'd love to watch it tackle somebody, not block somebody.
Joe Alt, notre Dame. Yeah, so you gotta get ready
for your reactions tonight, because not everybody's getting a skilled
(01:45):
position player. All right, I got a couple of bold state,
not bold and not hot takes God forbid, but just
some strong comments here about the draft. I'll have that
for you coming up. All right, let me do all
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poll question for hour one is going to be what
right now?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And just typing up more likely to trade out of
their pick the Patriots or the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, I'm going to save the Cardinals. This is okay.
I got something for you now. I did get a
little bit of help. Did get a little bit of
help from a source said you wouldn't be might now.
He said, you wouldn't be wrong if you said the
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following in his opinion that JJ McCarthy is not a
top five pick. And I said, well, wait a minute,
are you talking about the actuality of him taking in
the top five or talent wise? And he said both
that he thinks that this is we we create. We
created Will Levis last year. Like remember he's going to
(03:49):
go in the top five. So there's certain players that
we create, and maybe there's hype Jim Harbaugh behind JJ McCarthy,
and his feeling is, well, he thinks JJ McCarthy is
going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL at
some point that have we created this JJ McCarthy buzz
And I said, okay, And he said another possibility is
(04:14):
that Yeah, Brock Bowers the great tight end at Georgia,
that he's the top ten talent, and although he's going
to be viewed sort of as a wide receiver, even
though he's a great tight end, that he thinks the
Colts might be all in to go up and get
Rock Bowers. I said, okay, so those are just some
of the thoughts. Also the Chargers when this first started
(04:38):
and I said, I'm told they're going offensive lineman, and
then all of a sudden we had all of this.
They're going to trade out and you know they're going
to maybe take all from Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
J C.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Latham is now the latest we have. Let's see Daniel
Jeremies mock draft. Also Peter Schrager today from NFL Network
they have Chargers taken in offense and sublimeman. You know,
Jim Harball is going to do old school. He's not
a fancy guy. He's going to get back to blocking, tackling,
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and if you need a big play then you know
Justin Herbert's going to hopefully help you out there. That's
what Jim does. That's how he's built his teams everywhere.
San Diego, Stanford Niners, Michigan and now back to the NFL.
But these are just some of the things. Now, granted,
this is one person's opinion, somebody who I trust, who's
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saying we created Jim Harball helped create JJ McCarthy, that
really good quarterback at Michigan. But is he a top
five pick? And I said, okay, so I'm thinking about
if I said the over under for JJ McCarthy is
five and a half right now, what would you take?
(05:49):
Is anybody taking the under on JJ McCarthy Seaton and
saying he'll go later?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Then?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No, you think he'll go inside the top five? Oh? No,
definitely not. Okay, anybody think because I was also, you know,
I ask about this with the Giants. The Giants keep
telling us they're taking a quarterback, right have you heard
the Giants are taking anybody else? But yeah, you know,
what if they really like Drake May and they really
like JJ McCarthy, Hey what if Penix, if they could
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you know somehow get I was like, okay, So I
don't I never trust somebody if they tell you what
they're going to do. And the Giants keep saying they're
going to take quarterback, what if they don't what if
they go, we were taking wide receiver all along here
or offensive linemen here. So those are a couple of
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observations from somebody who I trust, who was telling me
this morning because I said, there's no real buzz here,
there's nothing happening yet. And his thought was he sees
Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, the Cardinals probably take
Marvin Harrison, the Chargers take an offensive lineman. Then he said,
(07:05):
you know, the Giants might take a wide receiver. Then
it gets a little more interesting. Seven, eight, nine, ten,
gets a little more interesting. Where's Michael Pennix bo Nix?
Does Denver wait? So there's there's a lot of things
that are going on behind the scenes. You know, does
JJ McCarthy just drop down to the vikings that they
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don't have to trade? So these are just some of
the things that are at least being discussed with no
agenda attached to this, because my source, you know, there's
he doesn't have an agenda with this. He just says, hey,
sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. But these are things
that you know, he's been at the combine, he's been
in these interview rooms, so he knows what's going on
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with a lot of these draft picks, and also the
tendencies for gms, because that's another thing. If you have
certain gms who like to trade down. You know, the
Eagles may be trading up, you know, just tendencies that
you have Patriots trade down, you know the Raiders with
that GM, is he gonna trade down?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah, Paulie, it's really interesting the way the draft sets up.
The second hour of the draft could be more interesting
than the first hour. Minnesota's at eleven, Denver's at twelve,
Las Vegas at thirteen. All three of those reportedly want quarterbacks.
Who sits in wait, So it's interering that the second
hour could be fun.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, And that's how this was presented. Because you have campaigns,
you have agents involved agents, the media. The media gobbles
it up. The media wants information. All of a sudden,
somebody says, hey, you know what I'm hearing, Great, I
got new content here. And look, I've said this before.
(08:46):
With the Chargers, I thought brock Bowers made you know,
because they lost their wide receivers. Do they go after
brock Bauers. Well, he's not your typical tight end. He's
a tight end that can get down the field. I
don't know if Jim Harball wants a George Kittle type
who can run or he can block, but he can
also catch and run. Not that there are a lot
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of George Kittles. But you got Sam Laporta, you know,
out of Iowa last year in the second round. I believe.
And that's another thing that I was told this morning. Man,
I'm out of breath because he gave me so much information.
He said, you know, teams build, you know, two through seven.
Like first round is great, you can't miss on that,
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but two through seven is where you build a roster.
And if you look at what some of these teams
you know, did last year when you're when you're looking
at these picks and you're going, So the league's four
highest paid wide receivers, I'm on Ross, Saint Brown, Cooper Cup,
Stefan Digg's, Tyree Kill. They were selected Day two or later.
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Travis Kelcey, George Kittle, Mark Andrews, Sam Laporta. They weren't
selected in the first round, Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor, Nick Chubb.
They were selected in round two. So as much a
as we give the first round, certainly the quarterbacks. You're
going to build your roster and you're going to look
back and say, where'd they draft that guy? Where'd they
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get him? And then chances are it won't be in
the first round. But just some information here to start
off your day. Got a long day ahead of us.
Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America,
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some basketball last night. We'll recap that in a little
greater detail. The draft starts at eight Eastern tonight. But
(10:31):
he beat the Celtics last night, thunder Roll the Pelicans tonight, Cabs,
Magic Nick, seventy six Ers, Nuggets, and the Lakers. What
do we have today? Here's another one for you. A
wide receiver more likely to be traded today? Oh, Brandon
Ayuk or T Higgins. I'm going to say neither because
(10:53):
I think maybe after the draft, because if teams go, hey,
if we get that guy and we're not interested. But
if we don't get that guy, then all right, what
are we giving up for Brandon Nayuk or T Higgins?
So I would say neither gets traded. Maybe after the draft,
(11:14):
maybe over the weekend or next week. Yes, Paul the
sauce that pull up.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
We add Justin Jefferson and DeVante Adams. Well, whilst unlikely possible.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I would say neither. I don't think anybody's getting traded yet.
T Higgins once out and uh and Brandon Nayuk. I
think once out as well, although the Niners say, hey,
we want to keep you, but if you're interested, how
about a first round draft pick?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
But of the two, which one would be more likely,
even if you don't think either one of them is
gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're pressing me? Yes now, I am okay. I want
you to answer the question. Answer that question. I want
the truth. It's the legendary scene and I just watched
that movie. Okay two weeks ago. Did he over act
in that scene? Who? Nickols? No?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I thought you're gonna say, Tom Cruise, Well, I was
going to say that too, And it turns out that's
kind of his move.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Tom Cruise over acting. It felt like he was trying
to keep up with Nicholson, right, because because Jack just
has that where Tom does it, So I think Tom
had to kind of Nicholson the scene a little bit.
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Tom Cruise made an unbelievable career out of being a
semi charming wise ass in every movie and essentially who
he is.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And a guy who runs in every movie every movie.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Yes, right, I think people think that's a classic scene.
I think they think Cruise killed that one. Yeah, like
I think they think they think he did.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, but as an actor, guy's an actor watching it,
you should go.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Back and watch it. Yeah, Rewatching movies now is funny. Well,
the credits in the beginning of that movie take about
fifteen minutes to end. Remember when that was a thing
in movie The credits would be the beginning, it would
be it was, it's the first fifteen minutes of the movie.
You're still like cinematography, Jimmy Lifford, Oh my god, they're
still doing it. I thought it was always at the
(13:09):
end of the movie. No, it's back in the eighties nineties.
Is the whole beginning of the movie.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
I think a few good men holds up. Like if
someone watch it now for the first time, I think
they would think it's a good movie, a very good movie.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
We still use the expression code red. We just did
that with the Celtics in the Heat. Yeah. Brian Scalabrini
said that they ordered a code red on Jason Tatum.
I eat my breakfast one hundred yards and then chained
to kill me. You cannot possibly fathom the responsibility? Yes, Mark,
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should I watch a few good men? Oh my god?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Now leave, go and watch it. Hol Hal and to
me more, she made me want to enlist.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
To me more, absolutely up for more because he had
no code. Yeah, you know who's still great in that movie? Though?
His performance is phenomenal, spotless. I don't know his name,
you do, though. He plays a minor role, but he's
(14:18):
he's fantastic in it. He's just such a slimy.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Key for southern Yes, Oh my gosh, is he's so
good in that?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I thought you were going to talk about the other
attorney working with to me Moore, Kevin Pollack.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Kevin Bacons did it as well?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, Kevin Bacon, Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Any who.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Sidetracking, Nobody covers the drag. Nobody, Nobody gets sidetracked the
way we do.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
All right, let me take a break, settle on a pole. Question.
Got a busy uh two and a half hours here
when uh, and we'll keep an eye on things we got. Uh.
Let's see who do we have? Oh Trevor Sikima. This
dude is great Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst. He
tells me something new every single time he's on Daniel
Jeremiah NFL Network. He just released his mock draft and
(15:09):
by putting J. C. Latham offensive lineman with the Chargers,
he changed the odds. He actually affected the betting odds
and certainly with the Chargers. So that's the kind of input.
And isn't he a radio analyst for the Chargers. Time
is all right, just getting started and we'll take a
(15:31):
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Speaker 2 (16:27):
We'll check in with the lead draft analyst from Pro
Football Focus, Trevor Sikima. He'll join us coming up here momentarily.
We've been doing draft comps as we always do it.
This time, NFL dot Com has draft comps, so we've
had Michael Pennick's junior Lad McConkey. We've had Brock Bowers, Michael, Yeah,
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Michael Pennix, anybody else that we have. I'm gonna give
you guys a really easy one O Marvin Harrison Junior.
The third right.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm gonna give the entire room one guest on this
one because I'm very easy one. Malik Neighbors LSU wide receiver.
His player comp is.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Go simple, Okay, his player comp is Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
It's Justin Jefferson also out of LSU.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, okay, could have gone Jamar Chase there too. I
guess you look at these teams like Texas and LSU
had some wide receivers, and that's where it's always difficult.
Like Alabama, when you're assessing quarterbacks, You're like, I don't
know how good he is because those wide receivers were
really good. How about a Caleb Williams draft camp.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
He hadn't done that yet, Okay, all right, Caleb Williams
of the USC he's listed at just under six one
two fourteen.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh so he's under six to one. Yeah, there's my
hint too.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Short player comp from Lan Zerland at NFL dot com.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Russell Wilson, No, Todd, Steve Young.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Is mobile?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Run Are you listening?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, I'm calling with Steve.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
You short?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Was the hint more than Drew Brees.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
No, I see where you're going there modern Seaton.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Uh we already said Russell, Yeah, I think shorter.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Sure, but it's not Kyler Murray. Thank you, thank you,
Blue Blue, Blue Blue. That's a good one. Kyler is
right in front of our It was it was in
your face, in your face, Trevor Sikima. He is really smart.
He's going to prove it. I'm putting pressure on him.
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NFL Draft analysts for Pro Football Focus their lead draft analysts,
and you can go and watch there and listen to
and assess their mock draft Pro Football Focus Mock Draft simulator.
Go to PFF dot com slash mock Trevor Sikimon joining
us on the program. All Right, if you had to
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pick a quarterback who wasn't going to work out, who
would it be?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We're starting off with an absolute fastball here.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's that's good.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh, by the way, I forgot.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
To do this because I was excited last time that
I was on but five to eleven one seventy said,
say that a quarterback that I think wouldn't work out.
I'm a little worried about Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I am.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
I think that there is a infatuation with what he
can do as a runner, but it's not exactly what
every running quarterback brings to the table.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Right, first and foremost, I think he has to protect himself.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Right, if you're going to make the most out of
that rushing ability with him, you've got to be able
to protect yourself a lot better than how he protected
himself even last year.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I mean, it's like this guy was.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
On a WWE highlight film getting thrown off of a
cage sometimes when he was running and scrambling for first downs,
it's just not going to work at the NFL level.
We've even seen that with guys like Lamar Jackson and
Josh Allen have to protect themselves a little bit more,
and so I'm a little bit worried about that with
the durability.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And then I think with Daniels, his offense.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
At LSU was a lot of throws outside of the
numbers to the side, and that can still exist at
the NFL level. But when you look at how you
really have a ton of success in this league, you've
got to be able to make defenses, to fade, defend
every blade of grass, if you will, That includes over
the middle of the field, and he just does not
do that a lot. There's only been thirty passing attempts
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that he has over the middle of the field out
of the four hundred that he attempted last year.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
He just doesn't do it very often.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
So that's something that he's going to have to kind
of learn how to do to really become that worthy
number two overall pick, because we kind of assume that
he's going to be that number two overall pick to Washington.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
And then I think the scrambling ability too.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
A lot of people look at him and say, oh,
look at how athletic he is. Look at how good
of a rusher he is. He's going to be this
great scrambling on the run type of quarterback. He doesn't
do it very often. In fact, hit less than half
the attempts on the run outside of the pocket last
year than even Michael Pennix Junior did. Michael Penix Junior
is known as this hocket between the tackles type of
a quarterback, and he even he had more than double
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the scrambling throws that Jaden Daniels had. So I like
Daniels a lot, but it feels as though we're looking
at some of his natural gifts and just thinking that
he's already there in terms of making those types of
plays at the NFL level, and those are still things
that he has to get better and even evolve that
in order for him to really be that caliber of
a quarterback at the pro level.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
For not expecting a fastball, you turned on it pretty
well there, Trav just saying, well, good, well, that's good,
that's good. Least doubt about what quarterback.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
I think Caleb has to be the answer here, right,
I mean, I look at these other quarterbacks in this class,
and there's a reason why he is the number one
overall pick.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Now.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
I get it, it's not like he's a perfect prospect,
but look at Trevor Lawrence. I mean when he was
coming out in his class, well like he was the
perfect prospect, and yet there are still things that he
has struggled with and needed to get better with at
the NFL level. And so why not look at Caleb
Williams and just look at the unbelievable arm, talent, instincts,
backyard playmaking ability, how he can play outside of structure,
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how he deals with pressure, how he can become that
superman every single play. And as some people look at
that Superman complex as a little bit of a negative
there from him, but that is also what gives me
the most confidence that he can make it in this league, right,
I think safe part of that question is tough to
answer because I could tell you guys that could be
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backups in this league for ten years, but they're not
going to perform at the level that a Caleb Williams
or even a Drake may or Jayden Daniels and JJ
McCarthy are asked demanded, I should say to perform at
and I think that Caleb gives me the most faith
that he's going to be able to do that. When
you look at the plays within structure where he wasn't
moved or pressure that time to throw average.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's normal two point six y one. It's the same
as every other quarterback out there. In fact, it's a
little quicker than it is with some of these guys.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
It's those Superman plays where he got out of the
pocket and I felt like in the back of his
head he says final score fifty. Today my teammate't win it,
And I think that it's hopefully going to be a
little bit better for him at the NFL level. And
just so the overall talent, the playmaking ability, he's number
one on my big board. He's been number one wire
to wire for a reason. I've got to go with
Catera Williams. All right, let's go at positional value. If
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I said, you can have the best tight end or
the best wide receiver, but we're looking at positional value.
Why is it that brock Bauers is maybe going to
be tenth, whereas Marvin Harrison and Malik Neighbors, they're going
to be taking ahead of him. If brock Bauers is
a generational talent, then doesn't make sense I'm going to
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have to I can pay him less with his position
than I can these wide receivers. Yeah, and I think
that that's obviously a lot of parts of the conversation
that you're having of where do you draft tight end?
You know, we have this conversation with Kyle Pitts as well,
because he's sort of that guy that you looked at
and you're like, all right, well, he's not a traditional
tight end. You're not going to play him in line
a ton And that's the same story with brock Bowers.
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You know, he's six foot four, two hundred and forty pounds, right,
He's not going to sit on the line of scrimmage
and you're not going to ask him to block five
technique six technique defensive ends, Like it's just not going
to happen. So in reality, you're projecting him more. The
value that you're going to get for him, that return
on investment is going to come as a wide receiver.
And even if I were to look at brock Bauers
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in this class, I would probably stack him up as
wide receiver three or four, right, so where he's getting
drafted around or sometimes even a little bit behind Romo
Dunes as that wide receiver three, to me, that's right
in line. Like to me, that's right in line with
the value that he's going to bring you for your team.
I think that Marvin Harrison Junior and Malik Neighbors specifically
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those wide receivers, to your question, they just naturally get
involved in the offense more. Now, that doesn't take too
much away from what Browers did, because we saw Georgia
he was an ultimate weapon for them, especially after the catch.
But I think that when you're stacking him up specifically
against these really good wide receivers at the top of
the class, those guys win more individually through their separation
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and their routes than Bowers does. Bowers was a big,
contested catch, yards after catch type of a tight end,
slash receiver, whatever you wanted to call him.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
At Georgia.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
That's still going to work at the NFL level, but
the NFL it's a bigger.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Faster, stronger everywhere.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
So just naturally a lot of those opportunities to have
those contested catches, to get those yards after catch, even
though they're going to be there, it's not going to
be as much whereas Harrison, junior elite neighbors, even Romo Dunze.
Those guys are I think, winning more one on ones,
with more nuanced, with better route running. You could play
them on the outside, you could play them in slot,
just like you could with Bowers, and I've got more
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faith that they're winning more individually. So that to me
is how we got to this point where even if
you stack Bowers up as a wide receiver, he'd be
wide receiver three or four in this class. But the
financial part of it, obviously you mentioned, is the interesting
conversation because if you draft him in the top ten
is a tight end, he automatically becomes like a top
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ten tight end in the NFL for his contract and
how much guaranteed money he's going to get with the
rookie wage scale. But if you're saying that he is
a wide receiver, well, all of a sudden, it's a
bargain if he works out. But even with that being
the case, I still think that's where he would rank
and stack up with those receivers.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Trevor Sikima is the Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst,
joining us on the program if Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence,
and Joe Burrow were all available tonight, your selection would be.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
So I'm trying to take I'm trying to take only
what I thought of these guys in.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
College in the consideration.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
That's right, because I've actually had this conversation with some
friends over the last couple of days, is who you'd take,
and sometimes we've gone back and we put Andrew Luck
in this conversation as well. I think that you could
probably throw him an RG three from that draft and
give you a solid five to choose from. But just
remembering these players as prospects, I would have been taking
Trevor Lawrence from what I thought of him coming out
of Clemson. He would have been my choice there. And
(27:14):
I think that it really would have been a toss
up after that between kind of what your preference is, right,
because Burrow is a different type of quarterback than Caleb Williams.
I feel as though I maybe would have leaned Burrow
with him coming out of college. But I tried to
put myself in my shoes a couple of years ago
and think man Burrow's season was unbelievable, but it was a.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
One year wonder with him at LSU.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
It's not like we had all of these years with
the Cincinnati Bengals for him to have solidified that that
was going to be the quarterback that he was going
to be. So I think I leaned Burrow from what
I thought of him after that twenty twenty one season,
But what Caleb has been able to do over the
last couple of years that might have weighed more to me.
So pretty confident I would have taken Trevor Lawrence over
these guys as who they were as prospects.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But I think it's pretty close debate after that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I don't know what the philosophy is. I guess it
depends on the team. But it feels like maybe the
Patriots learn from Mac Jones that we do need to
have a pretty good team around him. Maybe the Bears
learned that with Justin Fields. Let's build a pretty good team,
then get our quarterback, as opposed to get our quarterback
and then build around him. And that's what I wonder
what the Patriots do with three.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
I hear what you're saying, because obviously it makes sense,
right what comes first, the quarterback or the egg?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Right?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
I mean, like that's the phrase that everybody kind of
combines and that you wonder is it worth it to
draft the quarterback early if you have the opportunity, knowing
that you might waste a couple of years of their
rookie contract because you've got to build out the rest
of the team. I still think if you have an
opportunity to take a quarterback that you think will be
this difference maker for.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You, you do it.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
You just don't get this many opportunities, even for a
team that believes that they're in a multi year rebuild,
just doesn't happen very often. And I mean the Houston
Texans last year a perfect example. Sometimes it just takes
a new head coach and one new quarterback to make
all the difference in the world, and boom, the acceleration
of the rebuild is faster than you ever thought it
could be.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So I think the stories like.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
That give these teams faith that when they have the
opportunity to take a quarterback, they will take one. And
for the Patriots, we have talked a lot about them
potentially trading down for the exact reasons that you brought up.
They could draft a really good offensive linement in this class.
They could get a surefire wide receiver one. You know,
you can build out the rest of that team before
(29:32):
you go and get that quarterback and not have to
throw them to the wolves if you will. But to me,
it still doesn't make sense with where this team is.
And you brought up the mac Jones example, and I
do think that that's a little bit of a hey,
do we kind of jump the gun here? Team wasn't
really good, Mac wasn't really able to elevate. But I
also think that the mac Jones example is a louder
(29:52):
voice for we have to get better at quarter just
straight up for our fan base and our franchise alone.
I think that's a big reason why you're going to
see a quarterback no matter what, for them at number
three overall. I would be shocked if they traded the
number three overall pick.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I really really would.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Great stuff. Good to talk to you again, have fun tonight.
Thank you, Trevor, appreciate it. Dbat anytime that's Trevor sickamou
I told you he'd have some information, you know, the
Jad and Daniels part of that I found really interesting
at you know, his throws A lot of times when
you watch college and you know, Oklahoma and Alabama always
came to mind. I was like, are these quarterbacks as
(30:31):
good as we think they are? Because you're playing in
a system you got great wide receivers or great offensive line,
offensive minded head coach and Lincoln Ronnie and you're just
trying to understand this because I don't know if people
looked at Jaden Daniels this way when he was at
Arizona State and things didn't end well there, and then
he goes to LSU and then he has this Joe
(30:53):
Burrow like season. So the sample size is the one
year that he was unbelievable at l while he was
exciting at Arizona State. I don't know if people projected
him to even be a first round draft pick, second
round draft. It's weird how you can elevate your game
and a lot of times you elevate your game because
(31:15):
people now see you. Because there can be a defensive
back at Toledo who might be an All Pro, but
unless you watch Macchin then you probably have no idea.
So that person's going to be like, oh, wow, where'd
this guy come from? Well, the people who scout he's
been there. We'll talk to our good buddy Daniel Jeremiah.
(31:37):
He had his final mock draft that came out this
morning and it's got some people talking, so he'll join
us coming up a little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (31:54):
Daniel Jeremiah said to join us. He's a host to
Move the Sticks podcast, NFL Network analyst, former front office executive,
and he dropped his final mock draft today and he'll
be on the call with the draft tonight with Rich
Eisen at eight Eastern on NFL Network. We're gonna do
this together. Daniel Pauli has a draft comp nfl dot
(32:17):
Com for bow Knicks. Now, I'm gonna let you have
the first guess player comp Bo Nicks, current or former
player for bo Nix is who Okay?
Speaker 8 (32:32):
My first get Well, my comp form was Tua was
a right handed Tua, So.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That was my comp. WHOA okay, So he's got Tua Todd.
What about you, the player comp for bow Knicks.
Speaker 9 (32:46):
I'm gonna say you weren't ready for this question, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna see it and I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Gonna go to you and Andy do Hey, I don't know, Uh,
were you were ready for the Is anybody listening around here? Line? No,
I was gonna say, like Tony Romo, Tony.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Romo, Okay, Paul, I know it, So you got to
guess a lost Okay, let me see.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm gonna go Josh Allen. Okay.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
This is from lanceor Line. NFL dot com player com
for bon Nicks is Tony Romo.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Marvin, Okay, maybe you were listening, Marvin. No, yeah, that
was Yeah, you weren't listening, were you?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I was?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I got it right, I know, but it was kind
of a desperate Tony there. All right. Uh, explain how
you do your mock draft.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
I do with the mock draft off of what I'm hearing.
So it's you know, talking to different people. I always
explain it Dan when we when we talk about this
is the top one fifty list. How I ranked the
player is how I stacked the players. That's my eyes,
that's what I see. That's my opinion of the players.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
The mock draft is based off of conversations with you know,
NFL teams. It's you know, who they worked out with.
It's talking to college coaches. I called an offensive line
coach uh for an SEC team last week.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I called him.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
I said, how's it going? He goes, I'm fishing. I go,
all right, I'm not going to take too much of
your time. Who's called you the like most on your tackle?
What team has spent the most time with you? He
gave me the team Boom, there he goes. In the
mock draft, there's a lot of a lot of thought that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So you got your Chargers information by calling well done,
well done?
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Okay, right right, hey, hey right church wrong pew.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh okay, all right, So maybe you called somebody from
Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
No I was singing SEC SEC Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I don't think JJ McCarthy's going forth. I get the
feeling that we're gonna have three quidquarterbacks. And then maybe
maybe Arizona just says, look, we got Marvin Harrison right
in front of us. Unless you blow us away. We
got a guy that can help Kyler Murray, and he's
the best player in the draft, best receiver in the draft.
(35:14):
And then I don't think the Giants are taking a
quarterback because it feels like they keep telling us or
their leaks or they're taking a quarterback, I don't believe, Like,
why would they tell you what they're going to do.
So that's just some of my observations here that and
what do you think of those?
Speaker 8 (35:29):
I absolutely co sign on all of them. Okay, That's
why I've had the same thing going I had. I personally,
I believe the Minnesota Vikings and the Giants are going
to try and they're going to keep trying until the
pick is in at three to get up for Drake
May at three with New England, they're going to keep
trying to put more in the pot and really try
and fry him out of New England. But if New
(35:49):
England sticks and picks at three and that's Drake May
and those top three quarterbacks are gone, I believe that
the as you do. I think Drake May was a
Giants guy. I don't. I've never thought of them as
JJ McCarthy team. And maybe that'll be the surprise and
I'll be glad to be wrong and it'll be fun
TV if they decide to do that. And I think
the Minnesota Vikings all in for Drake May, but comfortable
(36:12):
with McCarthy or with Pennix, no one, you know, to me, Dan,
it helps when you put names with this, right, So
I don't want to part with pick twenty three, and
sometimes that doesn't compete with people. Well let's put a name.
Let's says Chop Robinson is picked twenty three. So if
you're comparing JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix, you're really not
if I have to trade all the way up to
get JJ McCarthy and I have to trade, part of
(36:32):
that package is Chop Robinson. I'd rather have Michael Pennox
and Chop Robinson the JJ McCarthy. So that's part of
that calculus and why I think Minnesota might hold their water?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
And I'm curious about this that you want kind of
chaos because you're going to be on the broadcast tonight,
But then do you want chaos that disrupts your mock draft.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Once the mock draft show is over at nine o'clock
Eastern last night. I don't give it those picks I
get right, I mean, come on, it's like I just
told you, I just put a player in a mock
draft based off talking to a coach on a fishing boat.
So I mean, I'm not going to get too hung
up on being right or wrong on those. I want
the most entertaining, action packed first round. I want the
(37:15):
surprise at a left field because it is. I mean,
I'm fortunate, Dan. You know these guys I get to
be with, and when when you're when you're with Rich
and you're with Charles Davis who does all the NFL games.
You've got Joel Klatt, who's called sixteen Michigan games. Like
I'm looking forward to those conversations. I hope we're surprised
as heck when these pick comes in.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
The quarterback that might not work out is who?
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Well, I've always said, I got the opposite question of
who do you think is going to be a home run?
And my answer as always, well who does Minnesota get?
You know, the situation really matters there? Who might not
work out? I would say that the situation I would
be worried about most is probably New England if you
get rushed onto the field. I just I know Elliott
Wolf got upset about that, and he's pushed back and
(37:58):
said he thinks they have the infrastructure to support a quarterback.
And I was there calling the Charger game last year, Dan,
and they didn't score points. So maybe I'm jaded on
that one. They've got some work to do.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I wonder what comes first, you know, the quarterback
or the team. And I don't know if New England
learned from mac Jones. We got to have a team
before we send Drake May out there, because then Drake
May and you know, confidence plays such an important role
with that position, and mac Jones's confidence was shot. So
(38:30):
that's where I'm wondering, do you just trade down and
try to you know, let's get some pieces here that
can make you full. Not Drake May go out Drake
May's not going to go out there and win games
on his own right away. You know, Caleb can. I
guess Jayden Daniels can. But I don't know if any
of these other quarterbacks You're going to say, go out there, Hey,
(38:50):
make some magic here. What do you think of that
logic for New England?
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Yeah? Two thoughts. One, If I'm Drake May and I
get elected three by the New England Patriots, the first
thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna send Jacoby Brussett
five thousand dollars worth of SPA treatments and say stay
stretched out. I want you to stay nice and Limber.
We got to get you through this season before we
can get some more help than I can go play.
That's the first thing I'm doing. The second thing I
(39:17):
was thinking of is that conversation that you just had
or that thought you just had. Do you think that
Kevin O'Connell, who was teammates with Jarrod Mayo, is he
not calling Garrod Mayo and saying, Gerroid, your team's not
ready for a quarterback. Come on, man, I've got all
these picks. You come back here, you build up your team,
and then I go up and get my quarterback.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Good call. If Andrew Luck, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and
Caleb Williams were all available tonight.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Oh, Andrew Luck would be one for me. I still,
that's as good a great as I've ever given a quarterback.
Joe Burrow would be two. Then you said Trevor Lawrence. Yeah,
and then yeah with Trevor Lawrence, and then Caleb will
be in that order for me, And I like and
not these are I mean not like Caleb was my
top player in the draft. I love him, but stacked
in that company, he'd be the he'd be the last one.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, But Caleb was supposed to be generational. I hate
that word.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
By the way, if you retired that.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Hey, I'm just I'm just mocking with the mock draft. Guys,
the analyst are all telling me all these things. He generational,
he generational. He's then next pastor.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
I need to preface this by saying, we have great editors,
and I love ours. But if that's that, that maybe
is in a report that I have, But I can
guarantee you it was not that I wrote it. I
probably wrote something and it wasn't very flowery and didn't
sound good, and that guy edited in.
Speaker 9 (40:33):
But I do not.
Speaker 8 (40:34):
Enjoy that work.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Okay, when's the last time you didn't like a quarterback?
But he worked out.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
Where I didn't like a quarterback and he worked out.
That's a great question. Wow, I mean the guy in
San Francisco turned out all right. It turns out maybe
I was wrong on brock Purty, as was the rest
of the world. But that's one where I remember. I
remember literally, you know, you get calls from agents all
the time, and uh, I mean, I should probably send
an apology because I don't even remember who it was.
But I do remember at one point time getting a
(41:02):
call saying, Hey, I think I can get this quarterback
from Iowa State. And I'm like, I mean, go ahead,
but he's going to be practice squad, you know, maybe
drafted late, probably a priority free agent. You know, you
probably can go, you know, hunt some other guys. Yeah,
but Daniel Week, I probably I probably cost that agent
a lot of money on that second contract.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You think, But let's be fair. If brock Perty played
on Carolina.
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Yeah, you know what looks different.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
He not rock Perty.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Yeah. Well that's why that's my whole point when we
were talking about earlier, because people ask you before the draft,
which one of these quarterbacks is going to hit it big?
And it'd be like in the past, like, well, which
one gets to go play for Andy Reid and then
which one gets to go to Minnesota with all their
weapons and Kevin O'Connell Collin plays in a really good
offensive line and a premier left tackle and a good
tight end. Like the situation, I don't know that it
(41:51):
gets enough attention. And I know I get pushbacks saying,
oh that's a cop out. That's an excuse for you
to make if you like the player and he didn't
pan out, And I'm like, I don't know how you
divorce yourself from that though. I mean, how many of
these guys are truly on a level where they transform
their environment like That's just those are so so few
and far between.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, even Mahomes, I've said this in my audience, probably
hates hearing it. But if you put him on Carolina,
he's not Patrick Mahomes's. He's probably a great curiosity and
we go. Boy, if they ever surround him with talent,
it's you have to have. You know, your offensive coordinator
has been there a while, and your head coach has
(42:29):
been there for a while. You have an offensive line,
maybe a weapon or two. I mean, there's really a
blueprint for success for these quarterbacks. It's rare. You know,
David Klingler go in there, make some magic there. David
or Tim Couch go in there. Had they gone elsewhere,
maybe they could have been successful. You know, David Carr,
(42:51):
he's as talented as anybody I've seen in a long time.
I mean, his confidence was gone. You know, Tua goes
to a situation where you got a brilliant, offensive minded
head coach and two of the fastest receivers in the game.
You know, you could if I put two in Carolina.
He's not doing anything like this.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
Well, think about this. I mean, and you've seen the
numbers that just came in on the two guys that
Detroit Lions just resigned in Saint Brown and Sewel. Now
the next one they're going to do is going to
be Jared Goff, and it's going to be a massive,
massive number with where he is. Think about Jared Goff.
If Sean McVeigh never gets to la like, think about
where that was trending for his career and how much
(43:31):
that that change that as is still a young guy,
but he was getting ready to be top side and
he cranks back up his career to the point where
he might end up being, if not the top, he
might he's going to be like a top three paid
quarterback in the NFL before too long.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Would you pay him that kind of money?
Speaker 8 (43:49):
I think right now you're in your window and I
think you don't. And he's in his prime and he's
played well enough. Yeah, I think the way they've constructed
their team, I think I would. I just I know this.
He fits in it. And maybe the best movie of
the offseason is not going to be talked about, but
when Ben Johnson orchestrates that offense and then somehow they
kept him, you know, So that was an incredible coup
(44:12):
for them.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
What's the most radical rumor you've heard so far?
Speaker 8 (44:16):
Well, I tweeted it out a little bit ago, and
it's so complicated, Dan that I'm gonna I'm gonna actually
have to pull it back up and read my own
tweet because there's no way I could remember it.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
So this is this is not a rumor. Just let
everybody know this was this.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
So here it goes. Minnesota gets up to three with
New England, so the eleventh pick goes to New England.
Right after that, New England takes the same eleventh pick
and they come up to four with Arizona. Right after that, Arizona,
who now owns the eleventh pick, comes up to five
with the Chargers. So to summarise three Minnesota, they get
(44:55):
Drake May for New England. They end up just ultimately
going back one spot and they get JJ McCarthy plus
will end up with an extra pick right five Arizona.
They've now still just dropped back one spot. They get
the same guy that they would take in Marvin Harrison Junior.
They get maybe a little extra pick there, and then
the Chargers have made the move from five all the
(45:17):
way down to eleven, which would be a nice haul
for them. They would be the one who ended up
with the majority of the Vikings picks. But everybody kind
of gets what they want and then they get a
little bit plus who they were going to take there.
So it's a lot to take in. But that was
presented to me this morning and I had to write
it down and stare at it for about five minutes
before it sunk in.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Okay, your pick for the Chargers got my attention because
you're an analyst for the Chargers, and aside from being
with the NFL network, you know Harball with how he
builds a team. Does Harball truly go offensive line? Is
that the right pick for the Chargers?
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Well, you know, I did a couple of trades in there.
I didn't want to do a million trades on them
mock draft because it just kind of gets all messy.
So I was connecting them with Latham. I think that
would be the ideal move if they got back to eleven.
They go from five to eleven, that's the fit. But look,
there's a chance they can't get out and they're stuck there.
And so I you know, this is not based off
of talking to Joe Ortiz. It's just based off of
(46:19):
looking at the situation and saying, Latham, he's playing right tackle.
That's he's a big, powerful guy. He's young. Harball recruited him,
so he's familiar with him. Joe Ortiz, who's with the
Ravens for twenty five years, and when you're with Ozzie
Newsen for twenty five years, you become very invested, even
as an Auburn graduate in Alabama football players. He has
a close relationship with Nick Saban. He'll ovaal the But.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Then you used to work for the Ravens as well.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
There I did, I did, Yeah, but I got literally, uh,
I got a text from from Ortiz this morning, which
is the first communication we've had in two weeks. Because
I've learned a lot over the years doing this job,
Dan that your friends they just don't want to lie
to you, so they just ignore you for two weeks.
So but that you know that to me, it feels
(47:05):
like when Harbob and this is again, this is just
a theory. This is not based off the conversation. Remember
when Harbaugh got to Stanford. Think about the landscape with
the Pack twelve. At that time, Oregon was humming high
flying sc was rolling high flying teams. Now he comes
into a division with the Kansas City Chiefs. He didn't
go to Stanford and say, I'm going to get all
(47:26):
this speed and I'm going to compete in this track meet.
He went out and signed every offensive lineman and tight
end he could find and try and ran the ball
down their throats. And so that's the formula that I'm
using for this pick to justify why they would take Latham.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do the Rams draft Matthew Stafford's successor.
Speaker 8 (47:46):
I that rumor has been flown around and and everybody's
I don't know if it's out there, but everybody in
the league is talking about the fact that you know,
Les Sneed was, you know, was college roommates with with
bo Nix's dad. So that's the connection that's been made there.
And then I find out, well, they haven't really done
a ton of work on bo Nicks. And I told
(48:06):
that to a team. I said, they're not going to
take Bonix, they really haven't done much work on and
they go, you don't need to do work on He
was roommates with his dad. You think he doesn't know
this kid, And I'm like, this is so much garbage
floating around here. I don't I don't think. I think
they're going to try and get somebody to help Stafford,
not replace them.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Great to talk to you, have fun tonight. Thanks buddy.
Speaker 8 (48:25):
I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I need.
Speaker 8 (48:26):
I need my Dan Patrick text tonight, so I'm always
the best.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'll text you, but I'll make sure that you're not
on the air. I'll do it during a commercial break. Okay,
you're the best funnybody. Thank you. Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network analyst,
chargers radio analyst, host of Moving the Sticks podcast. He'll
be right next to Rich Eisen in company Charles Davis.
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