May 9, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan discusses more from the week's NBA action, and Tim Kurkjian stops by to talk baseball - can Shohei return to pitching? Ross Tucker comes by and weighs in on a debate about toughness and athleticism between NFL and NBA athletes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Thursday, Dan and The Dan Nuts Dan Patrick Show.
I know you're probably thinking, why did Babe Ruth only
win one MVP. Well, we were wondering that Tim Kirkchin's
going to join us coming up. We've been talking about
MVPs and the fact that the Joker won the MVP.
Shaq said that Shay Gilgis Alexander should have won it,
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which is fine. I don't know how many games Shaq
watched of the Oklahoma City Thunder. I'm going to guess
I watched more than he did, and I don't get
paid to watch the Oklahoma City Thunder. But Joker, that's
three MVPs and a title in a span of four years,
and that doesn't happen very often. Only the all time
greats have done that. Lebron James, Will Chamberlain, Larry Bird,
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Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russell did it, I believe a
couple of times, and Kareem that's it. So the Joker
is in that category now, span of four years, he's
put himself in the category of top twenty players perhaps
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The Knicks beat the Pacers, and the Pacers picked the
wrong time to blow a ten point halftime lead. This
is the first time they've blown a lead of ten
or more points, the first time this season, first time
in the postseason since twenty seventeen. It was Josh Hart
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playing all forty eight minutes, first player in Knick's history
to play forty eight minutes in consecutive non overtime playoff games. Now,
this is what coach Timms does. You play. You play
as long as you can play, and then even then
you play a little bit longer. But I think the
attrition of this is it sustainable? And I don't think
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it is maybe not even in this series. Og Nanobi
blew out his hamstring or at least pulled up with
a tender hamstring. I don't know if he'll play in
Game three. Jalen Brunson had a tender foot last night,
did come back, played extremely well in the second half.
But if you've only got six players trying to do this,
and you know the Pacers are a deeper team. Now
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the Pacers are complaining about the officiating, you're going to
have that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And Rick Carlisle's been around a long enough time to
know that when you start to go in certain tender
areas for the NBA, when you bring up the following
of being a small market team, the commissioner doesn't think
kindly of this.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
One guy just said he did indulgibble. But it looked
to me like, you know, Tims went out there and
argued and they changed it. That's what it looked like.
You know, So I can only go by what I see.
What I what I saw, and you know that's that's
that's small beings compared to everything else. You know, you know,
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small market teams deserve an equal shot. They deserve they
deserve a fair shot no matter where, no matter where
they're playing.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Okay, the small market line is going to cost you
and in my opinion, and it should because the NBA
does not want to feed this where they're going out
of their way to help the Knicks move on to
face the Celtics. Now, would they love to have that matchup?
I'm sure? But you know, small market teams have done
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pretty well in the NBA the last but seven years.
Teams that have won titles. Uh, you know, small market
teams winning the lottery. So it's it's I don't think THEA,
the NBI. I could understand their business model that they
want to help the big market teams. But the Bulls
are a mess. Seventy six Ers are a mess, Clippers
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are a mess, Lakers are a mess, Golden State's a mess.
Stop me when you know I get to small market
teams here. Yeah, eton that's true. However, those teams are
a mess this year. But I think Golden State have
done pretty well the last seven years. Yes, so that
right there is half of at least is that because
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the league wants them or they happen to be a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, they happen to be a dynasty. But I'm just saying,
if you're looking at it from the point of view
of a small market team, and you're going through this
list of like, Okay, well, Denver, Miami, we can talk
about it's a small market.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Mean top ten, Well, I don't know what Rick Carlisle
would designate a small market.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Phoenix is a large market.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
They have I've done anything.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Well in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah we got to the final.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, they got to the finals, so I mean that's
pretty good. Then there's the Lakers. Toronto is the largest
market in in UH Canada and they lost to.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But they're viewed a small market. They're not viewed as
a big market.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, just when you when you look through it, I mean,
you know twenty twenty two is Celtics losing to Warriors.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Those are big markets.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I think I think that's the NBA might not like
hearing it, but you think that's a legitimate claim If
I look at all the big, big city teams now
and they're not involved in the playoffs. What I'm saying
is I see the point of view of a small
market team, and I don't know if it's necessarily a
legitimate claim, but I see the point of view of
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like I was saying in the first hour, if you're
a team from Indianapolis and you walk into Madison Square
Garden and the place is going nuts and the media
the only storyline is the Knicks are back. And then
you're looking at all of these egregious calls and so
far you've gotten jobbed in two games for sure, with
some questionable officiating. I see the point of view, is
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all I'm saying. I'm not saying that I would, but
I'm saying I could see. Okay, give me the poll question.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Then I want to get to Tim Kirchin because it
has to do with Rick Carlyle.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Pacers coach. Rick Carlyle is saying the refs are inept
or biased. Okay, And what's the update right now? About
sixty percent of the audience say Rick is saying that
they're biased.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Say good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
If you're watching on Peacock, download the app if you
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says well, Operator Tyler sitting by taking your phone calls
eight seven to seven to three DP show. We stumbled
upon this topic and I said, let's stop talking about
Babe Ruth only winning one MVP. Just call Tim Kirchen
because Timmy's gonna have answers for us, and the great
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baseball historian Tim Kirkchin joins us, Babe, Ruth has one MVP. Tim,
please tell us why one MVP.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
Well, Dan, there wasn't an MVP, an official MVP until
nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
There were unofficial kind of MVPs before then, but he
didn't really count.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
He won it in nineteen twenty three, but you were
only allowed to win it one time back then. So
when you look at the voting from nineteen twenty seven,
Lou Garrett won the unofficial MVP in twenty seven, and
I looked up the voting that year and Ruth didn't
get any votes and he had sixty old, so he
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was disqualified. Dan, This is the bottom line. If they
had had the MVP when he played in its entire career,
he would have won at least ten MVPs nineteen twenty
through nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 9 (07:59):
The only two years.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
That he wouldn't have won the MVP in my mind
were nineteen twenty two and nineteen twenty five, and that
was because he got hurt. Dan, you understand who we're
talking about here. He was the best pitcher in the
American League, and then he decided in nineteen twenty I'm
going to become a hitter, and he hit fifty four
home runs. He's the first guy ever to hit thirty, forty,
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fifty and sixty homers in a season. And in that
twenty season, we know he out homered a bunch of teams,
but he hit more homers.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Than the next three guys in the American League combined.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
And from nineteen twenty six to nineteen thirty two he
out homered the Senators the entire team three forty three
to three twenty seven for a seven year period.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
That's who we're talking about here.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
So if we had had the Scape rules as we'd
have today, Babe.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
Ruth would have at least ten MVPs.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I want you to help me at least remember this.
I remember talking to you about Babe Ruth size that
everybody thinks, well, he ate all these hot dogs and
you know, ate a loaf of bread, and like he
must have been this massive guy. I'm looking at the program,
it's like he's six two, maybe two fifteen, and you
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brought up a player, and I hope you remember rich Aurelia,
you said Babe Ruth was the same size as the
Giants infielder, rich Aurelia, Do you remember saying that.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Yeah, something like that. Babe Ruth was six two two
twenty in his prime. You know how many six two
two twenty guys we have now? They're everywhere, they are everywhere.
But he was enormous for his day, which is one
reason why he dominated his era like nobody else but Dan.
It drives me crazy. I love John Goodman, but we
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had John Goodman clayon Babe Ruth and he's some big,
fat guy who's drinking beer and eating hot dogs before
the bat. Babe Ruth was a really good right fielder.
He was a great pitcher, Dan. He hit one hundred
and thirty six triples. No active player has anything close
to one hundred and thirty six triples. And the closest
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s blogger we had to Babe Ruth there for a while.
Mark Maguire, who I love, hit six triples in his career.
Babe Ruth hit one hundred and thirty six. And you'll
appreciate this. He was a great basketball player. He had
great hands, he had great feet, he had unbelievable power
and what I love so much about him, like I
love ambidexterity, I love too many things, Dan, Babe Ruth
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threw left handed, hit left handed, and he wrote and
he ate with his right hand, which meant both of
those hands were working. Just another reason why he's the
best player of all time and the most underrated in
a way baseball player ever, because we don't really give
him his due.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Sho, hey o Tani.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Could you see a scenario where he doesn't return to pitching.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
I do, But knowing how competitive he is, how prepared
he is, how important this is to him and his legacy,
he is absolutely absorbed by numbers, including his own.
Speaker 9 (11:21):
And that doesn't mean they don't care about winning.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
But yes, I think there's an outside chance he's not
going to pitch again. I say outside, Dan, My guess
is he and Yamamoto will be one and two in
that rotation next year for the Dodgers. And waiting to
see those two guys if they are right. But getting
back to Babe Ruth for a minute, and this is
a very much of the minority on this. If there
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was a designated hitter in nineteen twenty in the American League.
I really believe Babe Ruth would have hit fifty homers
and won twenty games. That's how dominant he was in
his time. But he didn't throw as hard as No
Toddi did, he didn't run like he didn't hit the
ball quite as hard as Otani, and he didn't throw
one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
But Babe Ruth was unbelievable during his time.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, but why did he stop pitching?
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Well, because he got traded to the Yankees and they
said it'd be better if you just hit, so he
just became. You know, he has as many career shutouts,
by the way, as Pedro Martinez seventeen. Think about that
for a second. Pedro for a five year period is
the greatest pitcher I have ever seen, and Babe Ruth
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had as many career shutouts. Babe Ruth held the World
Series record for consecutive scoreless innings until others came along
and broke it. So they just said, all right, you're
just going to be a one way player. So he
said okay, and he had fifty four homers and then
everyone said, Dan, he'll never do that again. And the
next year he had fifty nine overs.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Timmy, great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us
on short notice.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
Okay, Dan, see you soon.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The Hall of Famer Tim Kirchen ESPN Baseball analysts. Every
time we get ready to have Tim on, Seaton does
his Tim Kirkchin impersonation and throws in you know one
of those old time nicknames.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well he even makes up the nickname.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, they're always after like a city or something about.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know, Joe Andrews. I think everybody's got a Tim
Kirkschin impression. Yes, Van Pelt does a good one as well.
He's the best.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But this is what I was surrounded with at ESPN,
where you had passion like that, and I'm guessing they
still do. But I haven't been there in seventeen years.
But Howie Schwab had passion, Peter Gammon's Tim Kirkchin, Chris Mortensen,
like you just had these guys. They had passion. It
meant something. They care, Barry Melrose, it meant a lot
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to them. Everybody had a stance. They wanted to tell
you the positives of their sport.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Just great.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know Freddy Carter talking to NBA. You just doctor
Jack Ramsey. You just had people who cared. And you
know that's why ESPN became ESPN, because you had wonderful
people like that who truly truly cared. All right, So
we have our pole question for hour two. A story
that came up on Pat McAfee's show with Austin Rivers,
(14:19):
former NBA player, where he talked about the number of
NBA players who could play in the NFL, and he said,
I think thirty. And then of course everybody picked their battlegrounds.
They didn't go to a neutral corner. They were ready
to meet in the ring. And you had football players,
basketball players, and everybody has this. You know, it's kind
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of like the Sharks and the Jets. You know they're
going to meet right in the middle and they're coming
after you. So we are good. Buddy, Ross Tucker's going
to join us. He wants to give us his thoughts
on that topic. Let me see Joel in Indiana. Hey, Joel,
what do you have for me today?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Summer sixty eight and I like to call the officiating
per NBA has done a long time painting, although it's
been a long time since I've actually watched it. For
this reason, and a shout out the three piece Real
quick on this by your day, nets please. You have
a five team crew that's objective. They're not affiliated with
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the whether they're up to speed with the rules, but
they're not connected with the NBA. You know, within a
two to three second period, if they don't chime in
with the call in a controlled area room with another
two team that does have NBA experience with officiating in history,
they all have to chime in quickly and at the
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same time, otherwise it gets turned over.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
No no, no, no, no, no no. Just just call
the game correctly, that's all. I don't I don't need
a subset of officials or somebody who's watching. And if
you don't call it, and are we, you know, replacing
officials and just call the game correctly as best you can.
But if you're gonna get me total transparency, the fact
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that they go, hey, last two minutes, how about this,
and then all of a sudden you go, okay, they
missed four calls in the previous game in two minutes.
How many did they miss in the previous I don't know,
thirty five, forty minutes, forty five minutes, Hey we only
missed four, or hey, look at that we tattled on ourselves.
(16:25):
We missed four calls. Yeah great, I'm sure the Pacers
will love this when the NBA goes, you know, on
second thought, we made a couple of mistakes here. Yeah,
tell that to Rick Carlisle. All right, we'll take a break.
More phone calls coming up, and we'll talk to Ross
Tucker about this football and it's so tough and NBA
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players can't play. I always liked that a big guy
in the NFL is six to two three hundred pounds.
Big guy in the NBA seven foot three hundred pounds.
So we'll talk to Ross Tucker.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
We'll let him, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Pull out his horn and trumpet it with football players
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Speaker 2 (17:53):
Laker's still looking for their head coach and we brought
this up, could you make Lebron James a player coach?
And the answer is no? And I know Byron Scott.
Somebody sent me a clip that Byron Scott said this
to Skip Baylor's Hey, why not make Lebron head player coach?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Collective bargaining agreement back in the early eighties prevented this
from happening. I mean, you could circumvent the salary cap.
You could pay him thirty million dollars to be the
head coach of the Lakers and then free up all
that other money. But you can't do this. I think
the last player coach is it Dave Cowens with the
Celtics polling.
Speaker 13 (18:30):
I have Dave Cowens. Yes, there's been some other circumstances.
Mike Dunleavy Sr. Was an assistant coach for the Bucks
and he came out of retirement and played several games
when they had injuries, but he had to give up
one job to do another temporarily, plus he was an
assistant coach. I did find that Tree Rollins, big man
for the Atlanta Hawks. Yeah, latest career with the Ortlanto Magic.
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He was not playing at all, and he was listed
as an assistant coach while being on the active roster.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, but we're talking head coach. Can't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Bill Russell was a head coach for a year, maybe
the last year that he played correct.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And then Dave Cowens was that Dave.
Speaker 13 (19:07):
Collens seventy eight, seventy nine with the Celtics. And I
got Lenny Wilkins doing it as well in the seventies.
It happened a number of times.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Okay, but that's before they changed the rule. So if
somebody says, how about Lebron is player coach he can't
beat okay, all right. I don't know how this story
came out, but if Pat McAfee had Austin Rivers on
his show, and I think they were talking about how
pat Riley labeled Tyler Hero fragile. Now I did say
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nobody works harder, but he said he's fragile because he's fragile,
he doesn't play more than you know, sixty games. And
then I think the conversation morphed into well, how many
NBA players could play in the NFL or vice versa,
and then all of a sudden, it's McAfee, who's a
punter and talking about the toughness of football players and
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versatility and whatever else, and Austin Rivers who used to
play basketball. Ross Tucker has an opinion on this, the
former offensive lineman and host of the Ross Tucker Football podcast.
All Right, what do you make of this debate? I
guess I'll say that in parentheses.
Speaker 14 (20:12):
Well, it's interesting thing because I thought, on the one hand,
I think Austin Rivers was right. On the other hand,
I thought he.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Was very very wrong.
Speaker 14 (20:20):
Where I think he got it right is I do
think more guys in the NBA could play in the
NFL than NFL guys play in the NBA. Right, Like,
if we took every guy dan right and had them
for two years, every NFL guy for two years just
trained to be an NBA player, not many of those
guys are making it, I mean, and not many, if any, right,
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Whereas if you took every NBA guy and just for
two years they focused on professional football, I think several
of those guys would make it. And the reason why
I say that is I think in general, the NBA
guys are probably better athletes. I mean, you think about
Anthony Edwards at six ' six zion, however tall he is,
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Lebron at six ' eight. You watch the way those
guys move on the court. There aren't a lot of
NFL guys between six five, even if you took just
the six two to six four guys. The way those end,
the body control of the NBA guys that are six
two to six five, it's really I mean, they're like
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point guards. It's really impressive. I don't know that there's
a lot of NFL guys six two to six five
that can match that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Okay, but it sounds like you're agreeing with Austin Rivers.
Speaker 14 (21:37):
I'm agreeing that more NBA guys could play in the
NFL than vice versa.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But when he said I can.
Speaker 14 (21:43):
Take thirty guys from the NBA right now and put
him in the NFL, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Not.
Speaker 14 (21:51):
First of all, he said, he says, not that hard.
You just run around, catch the ball and get north
and south. Holy Dan, he doesn't realize is most NBA
guys that think they could play wide receiver or whatever.
They would not get off the line of scrimmage, right
like Patrick Curtan or Jalen Ramsey. They would basically choke
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those guys out at the line of scrimmage, right like
they they've never had someone come up and bump and
run them press man coverage.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
They have two years, they would have two So I
have Anthony Edwards flanked out right, and you're gonna have
Patrick Surtan against Anthony Edwards and you think you have
the advantage over him.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yes, oh my god, you're crazy.
Speaker 14 (22:38):
Right tomorrow if they did it tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
No, he's got two years to prepare. You said, if
we gave them two years to.
Speaker 14 (22:44):
Prepare, if they had two years, that's a totally different deal.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, no, I'm giving everybody two years. Patrick Surtan two
years to play in the NBA, Anthony Edwards two years
to play in the NBA or NFL.
Speaker 14 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. And that's where I agree with
Austin Rivers. He made it sound like Dan they could
do it tomorrow. He's I could take thirty guys in
the NBA and they could play NFL football tomorrow, And
there's just no way. It just way more complicated.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
They just don't know what.
Speaker 14 (23:13):
They're doing, and I think that they would have a
really tough time with the collision aspect of it and
the level of physicality. But if Anthony Edwards have you
seen Anthony Edwards pop Warner highlights, Dan, They're like the
greatest things I've ever seen. When I watch a Timberwolves
game now, and I'm not like a huge NBA guy,
but when I watch a Timberwolves game, all I can
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think about is Anthony Edwards playing football instead of It's
the same thing with Zion. I just want Zion or
Lebron like when I watch these guys, I just dream
of them having played football instead.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, I think this comes down to toughness too, because
you know, I've had football players say I said, what
if Shack played, Oh, we'd kill it. You know, we
would have so much leverage all he wouldn't be anything
I said as a nose tackle. If I put jacket
nose tackle, he wouldn't be impactful. If I put Lebron
at tight end, oh yeah, we'd hit him once. Everything
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has to do with we're so much tougher. That's really
what this is based on. We're tougher, they're gonna get
it hit, they're gonna fold like a lawn chair.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, but that's not all of them.
Speaker 14 (24:19):
I mean, we saw what Jimmy Graham did, We saw
what Antonio Gates did. Now, I will say this, everybody
always brings up those two names like I just did.
Do you see that happens like five times a year.
Do you think they'll take a college basketball guy from
a mid major somewhere who's maybe like a European pro bat,
but he's not an NBA guy.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Ninety five percent of those guys.
Speaker 14 (24:43):
Never make it, right, Like, just because you're six six
in you're athletic, doesn't mean you're gonna be an NFL
tight end. Jimmy and Gates were the exceptions, but I
do think they're Look Lebron. If you watch Lebron's high
school football highlights, he can take it hit, he can
play like the guys I I've seen play football, especially
like Lebron and Anthony Edwards. I've watched those guys play football.
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They could take the physicality of it. But listen, they
make more money in the NBA. It's a better Like
I totally gell but but where they're playing the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Okay, but Antonio Gags and Jimmy Graham didn't even play
football when they were in college. Correct, Yeah, but maybe
he came very very good at football.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They played, which is why.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Look, it doesn't happen the other way around, right.
Speaker 14 (25:31):
And you're a thousand percent correct. Like every NFL guy
like Keon Coleman who just got drafted by the Bills,
he was a four star basketball recruit. T Higgins was
really good. They weren't NBA caliber guys. Like if they
were NBA caliber guys kept playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
There's more money and you know your your career longevity.
If you said, hey, I can be a pro football player,
pro basketball player, gonna take basketball?
Speaker 14 (26:01):
Yes, almost, like I've never So here's the thing, Like
I know for a fact, Dan the Eagles, right, they
have a scout that I think a big part of
his job is looking at college basketball players and seeing
if whether or not they could project them maybe getting
a shot in the NFL. There's no NBA scouts watching
(26:21):
a college football game look at the left guard, thinking, man,
maybe he could be our three next year, Maybe he
could be our small pot.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
The other way. Thanks for settling that if you did.
Great to talk to you as always, Thanks Bud.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
My pleasure.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm here to help Ross Tucker.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He's already put his name in the hat to replace
me on the program, The Ross Tucker Podcast. Lebron's sophomore season,
he played on the varsity.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
He was a tight end. He had eleven touchdowns forty
two catches.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
His junior year fifty seven catches, sixteen touchdowns, and then
decided not to play basketball.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
The fact that Antonio Gage didn't play football in college
and then he goes, now, I'm not getting the NBA.
Maybe I'll play football and I'll be a Hall of Famer.
Jimmy Graham, Yeah, he was his center on the basketball team,
you know, not going to the NBA. Maybe all play
tight end and play at a pretty high level, yes, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 12 (27:21):
To think about the NBA NFL argument is for basketball
players or football players, if you could play an NBA
you would you wouldn't say, oh, man, I can be
a NBA player NFL player, I'll be a NFL player.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Who would do they?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, unless you're going to be a quarterback and you're
going to play at a really high level. Other than that,
your career longevity could be three years. A couple of
phone calls Casey and Oregon. Hi, case what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Alone?
Speaker 15 (27:48):
Ah, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yep.
Speaker 15 (27:51):
Yeah, you know, I just got to start by saying,
the last time I called in, first time, second time,
long time, last time I called in, I was liking
to press see. So I really feel like I just
needed to like pump up my game and do something
a little bit better. So pret shirt idea for you.
I'd say, I heart bluepies or I heart bloops and
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one on a onesie for my kid, I'd be your
first customer. I got a short brownie take. And also
just on the football versus basketball, you know, all these
athletes are so incredible, but there's it's it's kind of
a joker. It's like easy to underappreciate how good and
versatile a good basketball player is. And as a you know,
(28:35):
as a testament to that, if Lebron retired today, he
has more rebounds and assists than Kobe and Jordan combined.
And it's just undervalues how good assists and rebounds are
even though he has also eclipsed him in scoring, and
(28:57):
as far as Browny goes, he will be in the
shadow is his dad, in the basketball realm and in
the whole world forever. There's only one thing that he
could ever do to make his own mark, and that
would be make some noise in the NCAA tournament. It's
very unlikely that he's going to play with Lebron for
anything of any consequence in the NBA. Looking at the
(29:19):
careers at this.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Point, yeah, I mean, you know, his dad didn't have
a college career, so he's already had a better college
career than his dad.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
We have a blue T shirt already.
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Hey man, I love the show.
Speaker 16 (29:39):
You're not giving Tyler nearly enough credit.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
He does an amazing job.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yes he does.
Speaker 16 (29:43):
It wasn't for you, guys, I wouldn't have any sports
knowledge at all. So thanks for that titlely call in
that that's the first mention of Kobe when it comes
to talking about greatness with Jordan or Lebron. And I'm curious,
not just your show, if your thoughts on why he
isn't mentioned more for his longevity and his performance during it.
(30:08):
I mean, his last couple of years were melt toast
at best. But it's interesting that he never gets much
discussion in the game.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, it's because he clo he closely resembles Mike, Lebron doesn't.
We're just saying who's the greatest. So if you say
Michael or Kobe, you're going to take Michael. Kobe wanted
to be Michael and pattern is gamed after him, you know,
just about everything, and Lebron is not able to be
(30:37):
like Michael. So it's a different Hey, in the I
and the beholder.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Who's a better basketball player?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Lebron has a better resume than anybody in the history
of the sport.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
If you said we were drafting and you had the
first pick and you took Michael and I got Kobe,
I'm fine with that, and uh, you know, maybe you're
splitting hairs there. Kobe was unbelievable, but we had seen
unbelievable before that with Michael. Lebron was different. He was
(31:09):
you know, magic and Larry and I mean he was
kind of a hybrid of things. So it's different Kobe.
We saw it but then we saw it before him,
and it's not fair to him, but Michael was better.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Jack in Michigan, Hi Jack, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Hey Dan? Dan Ets I have two questions. The first
one is going to be worth a blue blue. Oh.
I've been watching the NBA for over sixty years and
there is a player who has taken over a game
better than anyone I have ever seen, and you have
(31:46):
not mentioned him as a possible MVP candidate for next year.
That's the question. Can you go around the room and
see who can get that?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's a guy who's not playing this year, right act.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
He's the current NBA player, Dan, I know, but he
didn't play this year. I can't give you too many hints,
but you're going down the right road.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, it's John Moran, John Morant.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
And I think he should be one of the top
two for MVP next year.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well let's let's yeah, Well we'll wait. Let me see
if he does anything stupid. Again, nobody's ever questioned his talent.
I find him more talented than Anthony Edwards, which is
saying a lot, but I do. But by all accounts,
Anthony Edwards seems to be a little bit more mature
(32:40):
than John Moran. But yeah, John Moran is a wonderful talent,
but that hasn't been the issue. It's everything else. We'll
take a break more phone calls and fallout from the
Tom Brady Roast.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six AMSI on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm looking at the numbers on Baby Reindeer on Netflix.
I think it's the most viewed show that Netflix has
ever had, or at least a series, and it's about
it based on a true story and the guy who
experienced this with a stalker. He is the star of
this show. And it is really well done, both the
(33:29):
lead actors, the woman who's the stalker and the guy
who is being stalked a bartender, and it is some powerful,
powerful performances there. I recommend it, but I recommend it
with not safe for being around your kids with it again,
(33:50):
the stalking aspect of it. I mean, there's a lot
of things that are involved in it, but just if
you're watching, just understand or at least read up on it.
But Baby Reindeer, it grabs you and it holds onto
you for a little while. Yeah, Paulie, is it.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
One of those limited one season series. Yes, there won't
be another season, No, the docu drama type thing.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Well, yeah, it's but it has an ending.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Okay, yeah, but I don't think that there was any
more to his life story with this stalker. But then
people are trying to track down this woman who is
the a Q stalker here in real life. I think
Pierce Morgan has tracked her down and he's going to
have her on the show. But at the end of
(34:35):
the show, like they've encouraged people not to seek this
woman out because she's you know, she's mentally ill. But
Piers Morgan, I guess, tracked her down, or at least
the person who's supposed to be it's based on all.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right, we'll get some phone calls here.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
By the way, there was a little bit of tension
at the Brady roast, and this was off camera. So
Julian Edelman, the former Patriots wide he was talking with
Drew Bledsoe, who joined us after the roast. Now, this
is the pre show green room, so everybody's in there,
everybody's exchanging pleasantries, and Edelman had this to say about
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the tension.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
That was backstage pension in that room though it was
it was real head cut, it was.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
It was very real. I was so awkward.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I was like, I was watching coach, and I tried
to give coach a heads up.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I'm like, I see Kraft walk in, I'm like, your coach,
you know, like you this locker room like five five O,
you know, like.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
He did.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Of course he didn't see it right and he came
in and I was like, oh, it's.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Gonna be some fireworks. I just walked away.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So you had Belichick having a good time, Edelman there
with Drew Bledsoe, and they said that, you know, Belichick's
cutting it up and having fun, great time, and then
Craft comes in and then all of a sudden it
goes silent. And then Seaton says that he had a
favorite clip from this from Belichick from the roast, and
this is what it sounded like.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
We did some special things together.
Speaker 13 (36:19):
You know, for all of you out there that think
about who's responsible for the Patriots' success.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
During the time when Tom and I were there, was it.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Brady was a maze.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Brady was a mad.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
In reality, the truth of the matter is it was
both of us because of me.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
He's the reason for the dynasty.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Yes, that might be the best I've ever heard anyone
actually say why the Patriots were great, It is because
of both of them, because of him that. I know
it's a joke. I know it's meant to be a punchline.
It's exactly right. It took the two of them to
do it, but ultimately it took Bill running everything to
(36:58):
put them both in that position, and it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, there were some good lines there.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I didn't think that overall it was great, but I
did think that Brady subjected himself for that, and I
was told he was paid five million dollars. If you're
Tom Brady and five million dollars to do that, you
don't need exposure, you don't need the money, and you're
kind of putting some people around you. You're exposing them
(37:29):
to comedians and certainly his wife ex wife, And that's
what I was surprised the most about.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I didn't think everybody was great.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think if you took out the F words, you
would have taken out half of the actual roast there.
But there were moments, there were funny things, awkward things,
but overall, you know, I think what happens is you're like, God,
Brady's just sitting there taking this. I mean, Kevin Hart's okay,
(37:57):
not one of my favorites. I mean, had a couple
of good lines. But to get Belichick up there, I
thought the Aaron Hernandez topic should have been, you know,
off off limits. It should have been I get the
Jizelle because that's a home run for everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Stay away from the kids.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You were told to stay away from Tom's parents, so
there were certain requirements there. But yeah, I watched some
of it again and I think Nicky Glazer is really sharp,
has some funny lines in there.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Jeff Ross with the OJ Simpson Jersey.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I thought no need for that. I mean, why, yeah,
it wasn't funny. I find him funny. I just didn't
find that funny. But it was three and a half hours.
If you would have cut it down to two hours,
you probably could have had something that was really, really,
really good. Let me see Eric in Virginia. Hi, Eric,
(38:49):
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 17 (38:51):
Hey morn Van, how are you good?
Speaker 15 (38:54):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (38:55):
Yeah, now, just want to do weigh in.
Speaker 17 (38:57):
Yesterday you were talking about retirement and where you were
going to go. I wanted to throw in Eugene, Oregon
for Austin. I don't know if you've been there or not,
but that is one of the best experiences I've had.
They've got between the third and the fourth quarter they
do the shout. Would love to see you do that. Also,
(39:18):
fun fact, Animal House was actually filmed at the University
of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, and you know this is when the PAC twelve
is still the PAC twelve. I wanted to see Oregon,
Oregon State. I wanted to see Washington, Washington State. Those
don't exist anymore, but I did want to go and
see some of these rivalries. I want to go to Europe.
I want to see some soccer matches over there and
actually be in a town and walk to the bar,
and from the bar you go to the stadium, like
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I want to experience that.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Haven't been able to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
But there's some football rivalries that aren't mainstream. I mean,
I grew up with Ohio State, Michigan. I've been to
Auburn and Alabama. You know, I've been to USC, Ucla.
I've been to some you know, good rivalries Oklahoma, Texas,
but the smaller ones, that's what I was kind of
hoping for Phil and Florida.
Speaker 18 (40:07):
I Phil, Dan, I have a couple of great sound
alike voices. One from today that jumped out of me
and it has in the past.
Speaker 19 (40:17):
Uh, Tim Kirchen and mister Haney from Green Acres.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Mister Haney, yeah.
Speaker 19 (40:24):
Yeah, you might run to run some audio. And the
second one from a couple of weeks ago when you
had on Randy Johnson. You have to play I mean
Bill Walton, their exact match.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yes, there is a touch of Bill Walton in Randy
Johnson's delivery Seaton does it?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Bill Walton?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Smokey Haynes driving the new Jersey Turnpike, The Grateful Dead.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Everything's grateful Dead.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
I know.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
No matter what Bill says, it eventually gets back to
the Grateful Dead or the greatness of John Wood.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Smokestack, Lightning Clouds and parted ways.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Coming up in the final hour, we're going to play
the Rick Carlisle game. What game is that? How much
is he going to be fined by the NBA? Criticizing
the officials. We'll check in on the Knicks, Jalen Brunson's performance.
More of your phone calls, Operator Tyler standing by final hour.
In this Thursday, Coming up
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Thursday, Dan and The Dan Nuts Dan Patrick Show.
I know you're probably thinking, why did Babe Ruth only
win one MVP. Well, we were wondering that Tim Kirkchin's
going to join us coming up. We've been talking about
MVPs and the fact that the Joker won the MVP.
Shaq said that Shay Gilgis Alexander should have won it,
(00:25):
which is fine. I don't know how many games Shaq
watched of the Oklahoma City Thunder. I'm going to guess
I watched more than he did, and I don't get
paid to watch the Oklahoma City Thunder. But Joker, that's
three MVPs and a title in a span of four years,
and that doesn't happen very often. Only the all time
greats have done that. Lebron James, Will Chamberlain, Larry Bird,
(00:48):
Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russell did it, I believe a
couple of times, and Kareem that's it. So the Joker
is in that category now, span of four years, he's
put himself in the category of top twenty players perhaps
of all time. Eight seven seven three DP Show email
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The Knicks beat the Pacers, and the Pacers picked the
wrong time to blow a ten point halftime lead. This
is the first time they've blown a lead of ten
or more points, the first time this season, first time
in the postseason since twenty seventeen. It was Josh Hart
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playing all forty eight minutes, first player in Knick's history
to play forty eight minutes in consecutive non overtime playoff games. Now,
this is what coach Timms does. You play. You play
as long as you can play, and then even then
you play a little bit longer. But I think the
attrition of this is it sustainable? And I don't think
(02:17):
it is maybe not even in this series. Og Nanobi
blew out his hamstring or at least pulled up with
a tender hamstring. I don't know if he'll play in
Game three. Jalen Brunson had a tender foot last night,
did come back, played extremely well in the second half.
But if you've only got six players trying to do this,
and you know the Pacers are a deeper team. Now
(02:40):
the Pacers are complaining about the officiating, you're going to
have that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And Rick Carlisle's been around a long enough time to
know that when you start to go in certain tender
areas for the NBA, when you bring up the following
of being a small market team, the commissioner doesn't think
kindly of this.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
One guy just said he did indulgibble. But it looked
to me like, you know, Tims went out there and
argued and they changed it. That's what it looked like.
You know, So I can only go by what I see.
What I what I saw, and you know that's that's
that's small beings compared to everything else. You know, you know,
(03:23):
small market teams deserve an equal shot. They deserve they
deserve a fair shot no matter where, no matter where
they're playing.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Okay, the small market line is going to cost you
and in my opinion, and it should because the NBA
does not want to feed this where they're going out
of their way to help the Knicks move on to
face the Celtics. Now, would they love to have that matchup?
I'm sure? But you know, small market teams have done
(03:53):
pretty well in the NBA the last but seven years.
Teams that have won titles. Uh, you know, small market
teams winning the lottery. So it's it's I don't think THEA,
the NBI. I could understand their business model that they
want to help the big market teams. But the Bulls
are a mess. Seventy six Ers are a mess, Clippers
(04:14):
are a mess, Lakers are a mess, Golden State's a mess.
Stop me when you know I get to small market
teams here. Yeah, eton that's true. However, those teams are
a mess this year. But I think Golden State have
done pretty well the last seven years. Yes, so that
right there is half of at least is that because
(04:35):
the league wants them or they happen to be a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, they happen to be a dynasty. But I'm just saying,
if you're looking at it from the point of view
of a small market team, and you're going through this
list of like, Okay, well, Denver, Miami, we can talk
about it's a small market.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Mean top ten, Well, I don't know what Rick Carlisle
would designate a small market.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Phoenix is a large market.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
They have I've done anything.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Well in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah we got to the final.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, they got to the finals, so I mean that's
pretty good. Then there's the Lakers. Toronto is the largest
market in in UH Canada and they lost to.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But they're viewed a small market. They're not viewed as
a big market.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, just when you when you look through it, I mean,
you know twenty twenty two is Celtics losing to Warriors.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Those are big markets.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I think I think that's the NBA might not like
hearing it, but you think that's a legitimate claim If
I look at all the big, big city teams now
and they're not involved in the playoffs. What I'm saying
is I see the point of view of a small
market team, and I don't know if it's necessarily a
legitimate claim, but I see the point of view of
(05:54):
like I was saying in the first hour, if you're
a team from Indianapolis and you walk into Madison Square
Garden and the place is going nuts and the media
the only storyline is the Knicks are back. And then
you're looking at all of these egregious calls and so
far you've gotten jobbed in two games for sure, with
some questionable officiating. I see the point of view, is
(06:16):
all I'm saying. I'm not saying that I would, but
I'm saying I could see. Okay, give me the poll question.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Then I want to get to Tim Kirchin because it
has to do with Rick Carlyle.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Pacers coach. Rick Carlyle is saying the refs are inept
or biased. Okay, And what's the update right now? About
sixty percent of the audience say Rick is saying that
they're biased.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Say good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
If you're watching on Peacock, download the app if you
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says well, Operator Tyler sitting by taking your phone calls
eight seven to seven to three DP show. We stumbled
upon this topic and I said, let's stop talking about
Babe Ruth only winning one MVP. Just call Tim Kirchen
because Timmy's gonna have answers for us, and the great
(07:02):
baseball historian Tim Kirkchin joins us, Babe, Ruth has one MVP. Tim,
please tell us why one MVP.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
Well, Dan, there wasn't an MVP, an official MVP until
nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
There were unofficial kind of MVPs before then, but he
didn't really count.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
He won it in nineteen twenty three, but you were
only allowed to win it one time back then. So
when you look at the voting from nineteen twenty seven,
Lou Garrett won the unofficial MVP in twenty seven, and
I looked up the voting that year and Ruth didn't
get any votes and he had sixty old, so he
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was disqualified. Dan, This is the bottom line. If they
had had the MVP when he played in its entire career,
he would have won at least ten MVPs nineteen twenty
through nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 9 (07:59):
The only two years.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
That he wouldn't have won the MVP in my mind
were nineteen twenty two and nineteen twenty five, and that
was because he got hurt. Dan, you understand who we're
talking about here. He was the best pitcher in the
American League, and then he decided in nineteen twenty I'm
going to become a hitter, and he hit fifty four
home runs. He's the first guy ever to hit thirty, forty,
(08:23):
fifty and sixty homers in a season. And in that
twenty season, we know he out homered a bunch of teams,
but he hit more homers.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Than the next three guys in the American League combined.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
And from nineteen twenty six to nineteen thirty two he
out homered the Senators the entire team three forty three
to three twenty seven for a seven year period.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
That's who we're talking about here.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
So if we had had the Scape rules as we'd
have today, Babe.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
Ruth would have at least ten MVPs.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I want you to help me at least remember this.
I remember talking to you about Babe Ruth size that
everybody thinks, well, he ate all these hot dogs and
you know, ate a loaf of bread, and like he
must have been this massive guy. I'm looking at the program,
it's like he's six two, maybe two fifteen, and you
(09:20):
brought up a player, and I hope you remember rich Aurelia,
you said Babe Ruth was the same size as the
Giants infielder, rich Aurelia, Do you remember saying that.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Yeah, something like that. Babe Ruth was six two two
twenty in his prime. You know how many six two
two twenty guys we have now? They're everywhere, they are everywhere.
But he was enormous for his day, which is one
reason why he dominated his era like nobody else but Dan.
It drives me crazy. I love John Goodman, but we
(09:53):
had John Goodman clayon Babe Ruth and he's some big,
fat guy who's drinking beer and eating hot dogs before
the bat. Babe Ruth was a really good right fielder.
He was a great pitcher, Dan. He hit one hundred
and thirty six triples. No active player has anything close
to one hundred and thirty six triples. And the closest
(10:15):
s blogger we had to Babe Ruth there for a while.
Mark Maguire, who I love, hit six triples in his career.
Babe Ruth hit one hundred and thirty six. And you'll
appreciate this. He was a great basketball player. He had
great hands, he had great feet, he had unbelievable power
and what I love so much about him, like I
love ambidexterity, I love too many things, Dan, Babe Ruth
(10:39):
threw left handed, hit left handed, and he wrote and
he ate with his right hand, which meant both of
those hands were working. Just another reason why he's the
best player of all time and the most underrated in
a way baseball player ever, because we don't really give
him his due.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Sho, hey o Tani.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Could you see a scenario where he doesn't return to pitching.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
I do, But knowing how competitive he is, how prepared
he is, how important this is to him and his legacy,
he is absolutely absorbed by numbers, including his own.
Speaker 9 (11:21):
And that doesn't mean they don't care about winning.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
But yes, I think there's an outside chance he's not
going to pitch again. I say outside, Dan, My guess
is he and Yamamoto will be one and two in
that rotation next year for the Dodgers. And waiting to
see those two guys if they are right. But getting
back to Babe Ruth for a minute, and this is
a very much of the minority on this. If there
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was a designated hitter in nineteen twenty in the American League.
I really believe Babe Ruth would have hit fifty homers
and won twenty games. That's how dominant he was in
his time. But he didn't throw as hard as No
Toddi did, he didn't run like he didn't hit the
ball quite as hard as Otani, and he didn't throw
one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
But Babe Ruth was unbelievable during his time.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, but why did he stop pitching?
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Well, because he got traded to the Yankees and they
said it'd be better if you just hit, so he
just became. You know, he has as many career shutouts,
by the way, as Pedro Martinez seventeen. Think about that
for a second. Pedro for a five year period is
the greatest pitcher I have ever seen, and Babe Ruth
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had as many career shutouts. Babe Ruth held the World
Series record for consecutive scoreless innings until others came along
and broke it. So they just said, all right, you're
just going to be a one way player. So he
said okay, and he had fifty four homers and then
everyone said, Dan, he'll never do that again. And the
next year he had fifty nine overs.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Timmy, great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us
on short notice.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
Okay, Dan, see you soon.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The Hall of Famer Tim Kirchen ESPN Baseball analysts. Every
time we get ready to have Tim on, Seaton does
his Tim Kirkchin impersonation and throws in you know one
of those old time nicknames.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well he even makes up the nickname.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, they're always after like a city or something about.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know, Joe Andrews. I think everybody's got a Tim
Kirkschin impression. Yes, Van Pelt does a good one as well.
He's the best.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But this is what I was surrounded with at ESPN,
where you had passion like that, and I'm guessing they
still do. But I haven't been there in seventeen years.
But Howie Schwab had passion, Peter Gammon's Tim Kirkchin, Chris Mortensen,
like you just had these guys. They had passion. It
meant something. They care, Barry Melrose, it meant a lot
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to them. Everybody had a stance. They wanted to tell
you the positives of their sport.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Just great.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know Freddy Carter talking to NBA. You just doctor
Jack Ramsey. You just had people who cared. And you
know that's why ESPN became ESPN, because you had wonderful
people like that who truly truly cared. All right, So
we have our pole question for hour two. A story
that came up on Pat McAfee's show with Austin Rivers,
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former NBA player, where he talked about the number of
NBA players who could play in the NFL, and he said,
I think thirty. And then of course everybody picked their battlegrounds.
They didn't go to a neutral corner. They were ready
to meet in the ring. And you had football players,
basketball players, and everybody has this. You know, it's kind
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of like the Sharks and the Jets. You know they're
going to meet right in the middle and they're coming
after you. So we are good. Buddy, Ross Tucker's going
to join us. He wants to give us his thoughts
on that topic. Let me see Joel in Indiana. Hey, Joel,
what do you have for me today?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Summer sixty eight and I like to call the officiating
per NBA has done a long time painting, although it's
been a long time since I've actually watched it. For
this reason, and a shout out the three piece Real
quick on this by your day, nets please. You have
a five team crew that's objective. They're not affiliated with
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the whether they're up to speed with the rules, but
they're not connected with the NBA. You know, within a
two to three second period, if they don't chime in
with the call in a controlled area room with another
two team that does have NBA experience with officiating in history,
they all have to chime in quickly and at the
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same time, otherwise it gets turned over.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
No no, no, no, no, no no. Just just call
the game correctly, that's all. I don't I don't need
a subset of officials or somebody who's watching. And if
you don't call it, and are we, you know, replacing
officials and just call the game correctly as best you can.
But if you're gonna get me total transparency, the fact
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that they go, hey, last two minutes, how about this,
and then all of a sudden you go, okay, they
missed four calls in the previous game in two minutes.
How many did they miss in the previous I don't know,
thirty five, forty minutes, forty five minutes, Hey we only
missed four, or hey, look at that we tattled on ourselves.
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We missed four calls. Yeah great, I'm sure the Pacers
will love this when the NBA goes, you know, on
second thought, we made a couple of mistakes here. Yeah,
tell that to Rick Carlisle. All right, we'll take a break.
More phone calls coming up, and we'll talk to Ross
Tucker about this football and it's so tough and NBA
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players can't play. I always liked that a big guy
in the NFL is six to two three hundred pounds.
Big guy in the NBA seven foot three hundred pounds.
So we'll talk to Ross Tucker.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
We'll let him, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Pull out his horn and trumpet it with football players
back after this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
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Speaker 2 (17:53):
Laker's still looking for their head coach and we brought
this up, could you make Lebron James a player coach?
And the answer is no? And I know Byron Scott.
Somebody sent me a clip that Byron Scott said this
to Skip Baylor's Hey, why not make Lebron head player coach?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Collective bargaining agreement back in the early eighties prevented this
from happening. I mean, you could circumvent the salary cap.
You could pay him thirty million dollars to be the
head coach of the Lakers and then free up all
that other money. But you can't do this. I think
the last player coach is it Dave Cowens with the
Celtics polling.
Speaker 13 (18:30):
I have Dave Cowens. Yes, there's been some other circumstances.
Mike Dunleavy Sr. Was an assistant coach for the Bucks
and he came out of retirement and played several games
when they had injuries, but he had to give up
one job to do another temporarily, plus he was an
assistant coach. I did find that Tree Rollins, big man
for the Atlanta Hawks. Yeah, latest career with the Ortlanto Magic.
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He was not playing at all, and he was listed
as an assistant coach while being on the active roster.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, but we're talking head coach. Can't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Bill Russell was a head coach for a year, maybe
the last year that he played correct.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And then Dave Cowens was that Dave.
Speaker 13 (19:07):
Collens seventy eight, seventy nine with the Celtics. And I
got Lenny Wilkins doing it as well in the seventies.
It happened a number of times.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Okay, but that's before they changed the rule. So if
somebody says, how about Lebron is player coach he can't
beat okay, all right. I don't know how this story
came out, but if Pat McAfee had Austin Rivers on
his show, and I think they were talking about how
pat Riley labeled Tyler Hero fragile. Now I did say
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nobody works harder, but he said he's fragile because he's fragile,
he doesn't play more than you know, sixty games. And
then I think the conversation morphed into well, how many
NBA players could play in the NFL or vice versa,
and then all of a sudden, it's McAfee, who's a
punter and talking about the toughness of football players and
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versatility and whatever else, and Austin Rivers who used to
play basketball. Ross Tucker has an opinion on this, the
former offensive lineman and host of the Ross Tucker Football podcast.
All Right, what do you make of this debate? I
guess I'll say that in parentheses.
Speaker 14 (20:12):
Well, it's interesting thing because I thought, on the one hand,
I think Austin Rivers was right. On the other hand,
I thought he.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Was very very wrong.
Speaker 14 (20:20):
Where I think he got it right is I do
think more guys in the NBA could play in the
NFL than NFL guys play in the NBA. Right, Like,
if we took every guy dan right and had them
for two years, every NFL guy for two years just
trained to be an NBA player, not many of those
guys are making it, I mean, and not many, if any, right,
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Whereas if you took every NBA guy and just for
two years they focused on professional football, I think several
of those guys would make it. And the reason why
I say that is I think in general, the NBA
guys are probably better athletes. I mean, you think about
Anthony Edwards at six ' six zion, however tall he is,
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Lebron at six ' eight. You watch the way those
guys move on the court. There aren't a lot of
NFL guys between six five, even if you took just
the six two to six four guys. The way those end,
the body control of the NBA guys that are six
two to six five, it's really I mean, they're like
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point guards. It's really impressive. I don't know that there's
a lot of NFL guys six two to six five
that can match that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Okay, but it sounds like you're agreeing with Austin Rivers.
Speaker 14 (21:37):
I'm agreeing that more NBA guys could play in the
NFL than vice versa.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But when he said I can.
Speaker 14 (21:43):
Take thirty guys from the NBA right now and put
him in the NFL, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Not.
Speaker 14 (21:51):
First of all, he said, he says, not that hard.
You just run around, catch the ball and get north
and south. Holy Dan, he doesn't realize is most NBA
guys that think they could play wide receiver or whatever.
They would not get off the line of scrimmage, right
like Patrick Curtan or Jalen Ramsey. They would basically choke
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those guys out at the line of scrimmage, right like
they they've never had someone come up and bump and
run them press man coverage.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
They have two years, they would have two So I
have Anthony Edwards flanked out right, and you're gonna have
Patrick Surtan against Anthony Edwards and you think you have
the advantage over him.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yes, oh my god, you're crazy.
Speaker 14 (22:38):
Right tomorrow if they did it tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
No, he's got two years to prepare. You said, if
we gave them two years to.
Speaker 14 (22:44):
Prepare, if they had two years, that's a totally different deal.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, no, I'm giving everybody two years. Patrick Surtan two
years to play in the NBA, Anthony Edwards two years
to play in the NBA or NFL.
Speaker 14 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. And that's where I agree with
Austin Rivers. He made it sound like Dan they could
do it tomorrow. He's I could take thirty guys in
the NBA and they could play NFL football tomorrow, And
there's just no way. It just way more complicated.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
They just don't know what.
Speaker 14 (23:13):
They're doing, and I think that they would have a
really tough time with the collision aspect of it and
the level of physicality. But if Anthony Edwards have you
seen Anthony Edwards pop Warner highlights, Dan, They're like the
greatest things I've ever seen. When I watch a Timberwolves
game now, and I'm not like a huge NBA guy,
but when I watch a Timberwolves game, all I can
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think about is Anthony Edwards playing football instead of It's
the same thing with Zion. I just want Zion or
Lebron like when I watch these guys, I just dream
of them having played football instead.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, I think this comes down to toughness too, because
you know, I've had football players say I said, what
if Shack played, Oh, we'd kill it. You know, we
would have so much leverage all he wouldn't be anything
I said as a nose tackle. If I put jacket
nose tackle, he wouldn't be impactful. If I put Lebron
at tight end, oh yeah, we'd hit him once. Everything
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has to do with we're so much tougher. That's really
what this is based on. We're tougher, they're gonna get
it hit, they're gonna fold like a lawn chair.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, but that's not all of them.
Speaker 14 (24:19):
I mean, we saw what Jimmy Graham did, We saw
what Antonio Gates did. Now, I will say this, everybody
always brings up those two names like I just did.
Do you see that happens like five times a year.
Do you think they'll take a college basketball guy from
a mid major somewhere who's maybe like a European pro bat,
but he's not an NBA guy.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Ninety five percent of those guys.
Speaker 14 (24:43):
Never make it, right, Like, just because you're six six
in you're athletic, doesn't mean you're gonna be an NFL
tight end. Jimmy and Gates were the exceptions, but I
do think they're Look Lebron. If you watch Lebron's high
school football highlights, he can take it hit, he can
play like the guys I I've seen play football, especially
like Lebron and Anthony Edwards. I've watched those guys play football.
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They could take the physicality of it. But listen, they
make more money in the NBA. It's a better Like
I totally gell but but where they're playing the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Okay, but Antonio Gags and Jimmy Graham didn't even play
football when they were in college. Correct, Yeah, but maybe
he came very very good at football.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They played, which is why.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Look, it doesn't happen the other way around, right.
Speaker 14 (25:31):
And you're a thousand percent correct. Like every NFL guy
like Keon Coleman who just got drafted by the Bills,
he was a four star basketball recruit. T Higgins was
really good. They weren't NBA caliber guys. Like if they
were NBA caliber guys kept playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
There's more money and you know your your career longevity.
If you said, hey, I can be a pro football player,
pro basketball player, gonna take basketball?
Speaker 14 (26:01):
Yes, almost, like I've never So here's the thing, Like
I know for a fact, Dan the Eagles, right, they
have a scout that I think a big part of
his job is looking at college basketball players and seeing
if whether or not they could project them maybe getting
a shot in the NFL. There's no NBA scouts watching
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a college football game look at the left guard, thinking, man,
maybe he could be our three next year, Maybe he
could be our small pot.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
The other way. Thanks for settling that if you did.
Great to talk to you as always, Thanks Bud.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
My pleasure.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm here to help Ross Tucker.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He's already put his name in the hat to replace
me on the program, The Ross Tucker Podcast. Lebron's sophomore season,
he played on the varsity.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
He was a tight end. He had eleven touchdowns forty
two catches.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
His junior year fifty seven catches, sixteen touchdowns, and then
decided not to play basketball.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
The fact that Antonio Gage didn't play football in college
and then he goes, now, I'm not getting the NBA.
Maybe I'll play football and I'll be a Hall of Famer.
Jimmy Graham, Yeah, he was his center on the basketball team,
you know, not going to the NBA. Maybe all play
tight end and play at a pretty high level, yes, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 12 (27:21):
To think about the NBA NFL argument is for basketball
players or football players, if you could play an NBA
you would you wouldn't say, oh, man, I can be
a NBA player NFL player, I'll be a NFL player.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Who would do they?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, unless you're going to be a quarterback and you're
going to play at a really high level. Other than that,
your career longevity could be three years. A couple of
phone calls Casey and Oregon. Hi, case what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Alone?
Speaker 15 (27:48):
Ah, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yep.
Speaker 15 (27:51):
Yeah, you know, I just got to start by saying,
the last time I called in, first time, second time,
long time, last time I called in, I was liking
to press see. So I really feel like I just
needed to like pump up my game and do something
a little bit better. So pret shirt idea for you.
I'd say, I heart bluepies or I heart bloops and
harken in back the seat. And if I could get
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one on a onesie for my kid, I'd be your
first customer. I got a short brownie take. And also
just on the football versus basketball, you know, all these
athletes are so incredible, but there's it's it's kind of
a joker. It's like easy to underappreciate how good and
versatile a good basketball player is. And as a you know,
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as a testament to that, if Lebron retired today, he
has more rebounds and assists than Kobe and Jordan combined.
And it's just undervalues how good assists and rebounds are
even though he has also eclipsed him in scoring, and
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as far as Browny goes, he will be in the
shadow is his dad, in the basketball realm and in
the whole world forever. There's only one thing that he
could ever do to make his own mark, and that
would be make some noise in the NCAA tournament. It's
very unlikely that he's going to play with Lebron for
anything of any consequence in the NBA. Looking at the
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careers at this.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Point, yeah, I mean, you know, his dad didn't have
a college career, so he's already had a better college
career than his dad.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
We have a blue T shirt already.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And if you go to Danpatrick dot com Ted in
San Diego, Hi, Ted, what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Hey man, I love the show.
Speaker 16 (29:39):
You're not giving Tyler nearly enough credit.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
He does an amazing job.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yes he does.
Speaker 16 (29:43):
It wasn't for you, guys, I wouldn't have any sports
knowledge at all. So thanks for that titlely call in
that that's the first mention of Kobe when it comes
to talking about greatness with Jordan or Lebron. And I'm curious,
not just your show, if your thoughts on why he
isn't mentioned more for his longevity and his performance during it.
(30:08):
I mean, his last couple of years were melt toast
at best. But it's interesting that he never gets much
discussion in the game.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, it's because he clo he closely resembles Mike, Lebron doesn't.
We're just saying who's the greatest. So if you say
Michael or Kobe, you're going to take Michael. Kobe wanted
to be Michael and pattern is gamed after him, you know,
just about everything, and Lebron is not able to be
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like Michael. So it's a different Hey, in the I
and the beholder.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Who's a better basketball player?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Lebron has a better resume than anybody in the history
of the sport.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
If you said we were drafting and you had the
first pick and you took Michael and I got Kobe,
I'm fine with that, and uh, you know, maybe you're
splitting hairs there. Kobe was unbelievable, but we had seen
unbelievable before that with Michael. Lebron was different. He was
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you know, magic and Larry and I mean he was
kind of a hybrid of things. So it's different Kobe.
We saw it but then we saw it before him,
and it's not fair to him, but Michael was better.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Jack in Michigan, Hi Jack, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Hey Dan? Dan Ets I have two questions. The first
one is going to be worth a blue blue. Oh.
I've been watching the NBA for over sixty years and
there is a player who has taken over a game
better than anyone I have ever seen, and you have
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not mentioned him as a possible MVP candidate for next year.
That's the question. Can you go around the room and
see who can get that?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's a guy who's not playing this year, right act.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
He's the current NBA player, Dan, I know, but he
didn't play this year. I can't give you too many hints,
but you're going down the right road.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, it's John Moran, John Morant.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
And I think he should be one of the top
two for MVP next year.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well let's let's yeah, Well we'll wait. Let me see
if he does anything stupid. Again, nobody's ever questioned his talent.
I find him more talented than Anthony Edwards, which is
saying a lot, but I do. But by all accounts,
Anthony Edwards seems to be a little bit more mature
(32:40):
than John Moran. But yeah, John Moran is a wonderful talent,
but that hasn't been the issue. It's everything else. We'll
take a break more phone calls and fallout from the
Tom Brady Roast.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six AMSI on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm looking at the numbers on Baby Reindeer on Netflix.
I think it's the most viewed show that Netflix has
ever had, or at least a series, and it's about
it based on a true story and the guy who
experienced this with a stalker. He is the star of
this show. And it is really well done, both the
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lead actors, the woman who's the stalker and the guy
who is being stalked a bartender, and it is some powerful,
powerful performances there. I recommend it, but I recommend it
with not safe for being around your kids with it again,
(33:50):
the stalking aspect of it. I mean, there's a lot
of things that are involved in it, but just if
you're watching, just understand or at least read up on it.
But Baby Reindeer, it grabs you and it holds onto
you for a little while. Yeah, Paulie, is it.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
One of those limited one season series. Yes, there won't
be another season, No, the docu drama type thing.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Well, yeah, it's but it has an ending.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Okay, yeah, but I don't think that there was any
more to his life story with this stalker. But then
people are trying to track down this woman who is
the a Q stalker here in real life. I think
Pierce Morgan has tracked her down and he's going to
have her on the show. But at the end of
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the show, like they've encouraged people not to seek this
woman out because she's you know, she's mentally ill. But
Piers Morgan, I guess, tracked her down, or at least
the person who's supposed to be it's based on all.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right, we'll get some phone calls here.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
By the way, there was a little bit of tension
at the Brady roast, and this was off camera. So
Julian Edelman, the former Patriots wide he was talking with
Drew Bledsoe, who joined us after the roast. Now, this
is the pre show green room, so everybody's in there,
everybody's exchanging pleasantries, and Edelman had this to say about
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the tension.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
That was backstage pension in that room though it was
it was real head cut, it was.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
It was very real. I was so awkward.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I was like, I was watching coach, and I tried
to give coach a heads up.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I'm like, I see Kraft walk in, I'm like, your coach,
you know, like you this locker room like five five O,
you know, like.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
He did.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Of course he didn't see it right and he came
in and I was like, oh, it's.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Gonna be some fireworks. I just walked away.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So you had Belichick having a good time, Edelman there
with Drew Bledsoe, and they said that, you know, Belichick's
cutting it up and having fun, great time, and then
Craft comes in and then all of a sudden it
goes silent. And then Seaton says that he had a
favorite clip from this from Belichick from the roast, and
this is what it sounded like.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
We did some special things together.
Speaker 13 (36:19):
You know, for all of you out there that think
about who's responsible for the Patriots' success.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
During the time when Tom and I were there, was it.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Brady was a maze.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Brady was a mad.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
In reality, the truth of the matter is it was
both of us because of me.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
He's the reason for the dynasty.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Yes, that might be the best I've ever heard anyone
actually say why the Patriots were great, It is because
of both of them, because of him that. I know
it's a joke. I know it's meant to be a punchline.
It's exactly right. It took the two of them to
do it, but ultimately it took Bill running everything to
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put them both in that position, and it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, there were some good lines there.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I didn't think that overall it was great, but I
did think that Brady subjected himself for that, and I
was told he was paid five million dollars. If you're
Tom Brady and five million dollars to do that, you
don't need exposure, you don't need the money, and you're
kind of putting some people around you. You're exposing them
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to comedians and certainly his wife ex wife, And that's
what I was surprised the most about.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I didn't think everybody was great.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think if you took out the F words, you
would have taken out half of the actual roast there.
But there were moments, there were funny things, awkward things,
but overall, you know, I think what happens is you're like, God,
Brady's just sitting there taking this. I mean, Kevin Hart's okay,
(37:57):
not one of my favorites. I mean, had a couple
of good lines. But to get Belichick up there, I
thought the Aaron Hernandez topic should have been, you know,
off off limits. It should have been I get the
Jizelle because that's a home run for everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Stay away from the kids.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You were told to stay away from Tom's parents, so
there were certain requirements there. But yeah, I watched some
of it again and I think Nicky Glazer is really sharp,
has some funny lines in there.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Jeff Ross with the OJ Simpson Jersey.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I thought no need for that. I mean, why, yeah,
it wasn't funny. I find him funny. I just didn't
find that funny. But it was three and a half hours.
If you would have cut it down to two hours,
you probably could have had something that was really, really,
really good. Let me see Eric in Virginia. Hi, Eric,
(38:49):
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 17 (38:51):
Hey morn Van, how are you good?
Speaker 15 (38:54):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (38:55):
Yeah, now, just want to do weigh in.
Speaker 17 (38:57):
Yesterday you were talking about retirement and where you were
going to go. I wanted to throw in Eugene, Oregon
for Austin. I don't know if you've been there or not,
but that is one of the best experiences I've had.
They've got between the third and the fourth quarter they
do the shout. Would love to see you do that. Also,
(39:18):
fun fact, Animal House was actually filmed at the University
of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, and you know this is when the PAC twelve
is still the PAC twelve. I wanted to see Oregon,
Oregon State. I wanted to see Washington, Washington State. Those
don't exist anymore, but I did want to go and
see some of these rivalries. I want to go to Europe.
I want to see some soccer matches over there and
actually be in a town and walk to the bar,
and from the bar you go to the stadium, like
(39:45):
I want to experience that.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Haven't been able to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
But there's some football rivalries that aren't mainstream. I mean,
I grew up with Ohio State, Michigan. I've been to
Auburn and Alabama. You know, I've been to USC, Ucla.
I've been to some you know, good rivalries Oklahoma, Texas,
but the smaller ones, that's what I was kind of
hoping for Phil and Florida.
Speaker 18 (40:07):
I Phil, Dan, I have a couple of great sound
alike voices. One from today that jumped out of me
and it has in the past.
Speaker 19 (40:17):
Uh, Tim Kirchen and mister Haney from Green Acres.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Mister Haney, yeah.
Speaker 19 (40:24):
Yeah, you might run to run some audio. And the
second one from a couple of weeks ago when you
had on Randy Johnson. You have to play I mean
Bill Walton, their exact match.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yes, there is a touch of Bill Walton in Randy
Johnson's delivery Seaton does it?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Bill Walton?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Smokey Haynes driving the new Jersey Turnpike, The Grateful Dead.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Everything's grateful Dead.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
I know.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
No matter what Bill says, it eventually gets back to
the Grateful Dead or the greatness of John Wood.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Smokestack, Lightning Clouds and parted ways.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Coming up in the final hour, we're going to play
the Rick Carlisle game. What game is that? How much
is he going to be fined by the NBA? Criticizing
the officials. We'll check in on the Knicks, Jalen Brunson's performance.
More of your phone calls, Operator Tyler standing by final hour.
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