May 10, 2024 • 41 mins
Sirius XM NBA Radio Host Frank Isola stops by to discuss big storylines from around the NBA - how the Knicks are the last tough team left in the eastern conference playoffs, the struggles of the Celtics, and Nikola Jokic's MVP. Heisman Trophy Winner Charlie Ward stops by to discuss Reggie Bush getting his Heisman back and coaching the next generation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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asked I have Friday off a couple of weeks ago.
Had nothing to do with the past two days talking
about relegation with the dan Uts. The timing is not
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Seaton Pole question for hour two is.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
What well for hour one? We threw up a couple
of them there and that literally threw up. We put
some of them, oh right there.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We have.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Would you rather have a ten year career as a
solid player in the NFL or NBA. Right now, seventy
two percent of the audience have the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, of course you're gonna make a whole lot more money.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, by leaps and bounds. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
What's funny about that pole question is even if you
like the football a lot more, you'd still probably take
the NBA because of the health and the money and
the guaranteed contract. Sure, yeah, you cannot even be you
could be a casual basketball person.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You probably only if you said I was winning a
Super Bowl would I entertain that to be a football player?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
If I take away, you're not going to play a
more que position.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You're gonna be a linebacker or you're going to be,
you know, a role player in the NBA, gonna make
a whole lot more money. Unless you say, hey, you're
going to be a linebacker on a super Bowl winning team. Okay, maybe,
but you know, just look at what Austin Rivers made
in his career. It still made, you know, over fifty
(02:13):
million dollars and probably no serious injuries.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
See, so I think I'm going to change that pull
question up. It's a different version of a similar concept,
but this one was on Twitter from Jimmy. I think,
all right, Jimmy, would you rather have seventeen million dollars
and a Super Bowl ring or fifty million and no
Championship ring?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I guess it depends on the position that I play, Like,
did I really contribute?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Are they going to remember me?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Would you rather have seventeen million dollars and a Super
Bowl ring? Or what is it? Fifty four million? He
made something like a fifty four million dollars and no ring.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So James Jones got into this conversation about Austin Rivers,
the NBA and the NFL. James Jones played wide receiver
the Packers. He won a super Bowl, but he may
considerably less money than Austin Rivers. I mean, am I
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going to pass up fifty million dollars? Did you have
to be reminded that James Jones played in the Super
Bowl with the Packers because I did. Yeah, You're like, oh, okay, yeah,
he won a super Bowl. That's not necessarily a legacy play. No,
because neither one of them have a No. I mean,
they're not Hall of Fame careers.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
But every time they the Green Bay brings back players
to celebrate that ring, he gets the call.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Okay, so you get a free trip to Green Bay. No,
but you have you get to stay by the airport
at the hotel there.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
You know what the I think, I'm just I don't
know that I would necessarily agree with this, but there
is a certain amount of value that you really can't put,
like a monetary value on winning and how awesome that is,
how much fun it is to be like, you know what,
We're gonna start this season, work our asses off, and
at the end of it we won and we were
the best team that there is a value to that.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yes, boy, all right, I'll throw out a different conbo Okay,
I think you're gonna love it. You could have the
career and earnings of Julian Edelman of the Patriots or
Bradley Bealo, the basketball player for the Sons.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bradley Beal's probably made two hundred million dollars more than
Julian night.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
I think you're correct.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I have Julian Edelman making about just under fifty million,
and Bradley Beal makes.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
That in eight months.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He makes that in one year.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Correct, Let's say he made that in injured games this year,
in games he didn't play this year.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Okay, just about the Okay, one.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Would you if I said you're gonna make two hundred
and fifty million and no titles, and you're gonna do
it in obscurity, nobody's gonna remember you? Or Edelman, who
had one of the best postseason careers in NFL history.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
PAULI, I can't believe I'm saying this, and I don't
know if I'm lying to myself, but I'm taking Julian
Edeman's oak Seaton.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You taking Edelman or you're taking Bradley Beal for two
one hundred million dollars more.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I no, I would take Edelman because I understand that
two hundred and fifty million dollars is a lot of money,
but fifty something what is it?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
How much to be? Fifty?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Fifty million dollars is also an unbelievable amount of money.
And most of my career was spent being awesome or
on an awesome team.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Hell yeah, okay, that Marvin, what about you?
Speaker 7 (05:22):
I can't believe I'm saying this. I'm with the other guys.
I'm going Julian Edelman. And also because of the money
that you can make post career.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, okay, but he's got a Bradley Beal's got a
big head start on the amount of money that Julian
Edlan is gonna make.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Edelman could make money post career. Bradley Beal could just
look at his money, hey, to his career.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, I'm taking Bradley Beal at two hundred and fifty
million dollars it, yes, okay, I get to shoot as
much as I want I get. Yeah, I mean that's
all I care about. I get to score, and I'm
gonna have two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I mean, I mean it's nice.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'll congratulate you on your titles while I'm on my yacht.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
All Right, we might have been lying.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think you guys were lying. I don't think that
we were.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Fifty four million dollars is an unbelievable amount of money.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Uh, okay, it is.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me ask a journalist, Frank Iol. He is covering
the NBA, covering the Knicks Pacers contributor to Around the Horn,
Pardon the interruption I had, Frank, If I said you
could have Bradley Beal's career and money or Julian Edelman's career, yeah.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
I'd probably take Dan Patrick's career in money. But in
this case and your crew is nuts, I'm taking Bradley
Beal number one. Think about the money so clearly, do
they have a significant other in their life, A wife,
a girlfriend, parents, They would tell them you nuts. Take
the two hundred and fifty. It's generational money. Who cares
about you want a championship?
Speaker 6 (06:55):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (06:55):
I'd love to play with Tom Brady too. I'm taking
the money. I agree with you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay where you stand on this whole Austin Rivers discussion
that he had with Pat McAfee on how many players
in the NBA do you think if I gave them
a year could play in the NFL?
Speaker 9 (07:12):
I think you could find a few that could do it.
I mean Paulo ben Caro and Lebron James couldn't play
tight end. Tight End would seem to be the one
position that you can get guys to play, and maybe
defensive back as well. Like to me, making that transition
from being an NBA player to maybe playing football is
more realistic than thinking they're going to play hockey, tennis, golf, soccer.
(07:33):
I mean, there are unique skill sets that you need
for that, and that's not to say NFL players aren't skilled.
But you don't think all these great athletes we have
in the NBA, not one of them could be a
defensive back, Not one of them could be a tight end.
Who knows Jason Tatum could be the next Harold Carmaker.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Who knows he's having a hard time being the original
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
True? Okay, explain this to me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
We have a large sample size with the Celtics, and
I know it's recency bias after last night, but they
got blown out by twenty four at home by an
under man Cleveland team. I know it's one game, but
it feels like it's more than that because it goes
back to what we've seen where they love the three,
they live and die by it, and they don't adjust
when they don't make it.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I agree.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
I'm texting my radio partner Brian Scalabrini, because I'm always
killing them about the Celtics. I said, your team is
so soft. They didn't respond, which told me a lot.
I look at the Eastern Conference. It's like one tough
team mentally and physically, especially now that Miami's gone, and
that's the New York Knicks. I mean, if you're the
Boston Celtics. At what point you know, if they're just
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launching up threes, they're not getting it done on defense.
They don't play with any emotion. The buildings seem to
be dead, and haven't they learned their lesson? They lost
game one in the second round last year to Philadelphia.
That was without Embiid. They lost games one and two
at home to Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. This year,
they lost game two to Miami. That to me was
a surprise. It's not so much about the result. Anybody
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could lose. It was, to your point, more about the performance.
And there's such a big team. I don't understand why
they don't try to exploit mismatches, throw the ball into
the post, whether it's Drew Holliday on Darius Garlander, Jason
Tatum on Max Strus, try.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
To do something like that.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
The way that they were shooting last night, where it's
all about three porters, and the way that they were defending,
it's hard to see them winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Also, I don't know where you stand with athletes postgame
press conferences.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Jason Tatum is even keel.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now we might compliment that and say, hey, you know what,
doesn't get too high too low. You know, I like
to have that passion. I'd like when it bothers you,
it hurts you, it angers you, you're fired up. I'd
love for Jason Tatum to just say this won't happen again.
I won't allow this to happen again.
Speaker 9 (09:45):
I kind of agree with you, and I think you
see that on the court as well, because I was
saying to Brian Scalabrina, who played with Jason Kidd in
New Jersey and then got to play with Kevin Garnett
and Boston, like those guys would not settle for something
like that, And Jason Tatum after the game saying everyone
specs us to win every game by a blowout. No, no,
we don't, but we expect better effort from you guys.
(10:06):
Especially TEENA won sixty four games during the regular season
and they have a chance to put you know, Cleveland
would have been on the ropes. And remember Cleveland in
the first round. They went to Orlando three times and
they didn't win a game in Orlando. So they came
into the you know, the Boston Garden, the ghosts of
you know Bill Russell and Larry Bird and Paul Pierce,
and they took them out pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Talking to frank Iy Sola of course around the horn
on the Mothership part in the interruption covering the NBA Playoffs,
trying to figure out what Denver team shows up tonight.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
What do you expect?
Speaker 9 (10:37):
I would think, you know, there's been a lot of
a lot of talk about both Nikola Jokic, you know
what's happened to him in this series, but especially Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray's got to have a better game, especially since
he got he caught a lucky break. He should have
been ejected from Game two. He should be suspended for
Game three. There has been a little bit more time
off now between games two and three. We're going to
see what type of team Denver is because now you're
(11:00):
on the road, you at least have to win game
three to really have a realistic chance of winning that
building tonight. It's going to be fired up for Minnesota.
I don't think they've played at home in about fifteen
days or so. You know, they're six and zero in
the playoffs, and four of those wins have come on
the road against Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, the aforementioned Bradley
Beal and of course what they did to the defending champs.
I would think that you're going to see a different
(11:20):
performance by Denver. Would The problem that Denver has is
that Minnesota has guys that could guard Nicole Jokich, including Nasriedi,
even Carl Anthony Towns a bit. And then they got
Rudy Gobert hanging around the rim getting ready to clean
everything up.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I said this the other day, caught a little heat,
but I stand by it. I don't think the Joker
wins another MVP and after this year, yes, but it's
nothing against him. In fact, like Lebron has it won
one in over a decade. I get at one point
it stopped with Michael and they gave it to Charles
and gave it to Karl Malone. Like the media moves on,
(11:54):
you know, they can't wait for Anthony Edwards, John Morant
coming back. Maybe it's Lucas like it feels like the
Joker had his run here and it might be the
ultimate compliment of he probably can't out Joker himself.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, you know.
I you know, I have a vote. Last year, I
voted for himb This year, I voted for Nicola jok
if someone that stands out the most for me, and
I don't remember having a vote back then was the
year that Karmelone won it instead of Michael Jordan, And
it did really feel as if the media was saying,
Karmelone's been so good for so long, the Utah Jazz
had been this really good team. It was almost like
(12:31):
a lifetime achievement MVP for karmel And I think there's
a lot.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Of truth to that.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
I think I thought it was going to be a
little bit closer this year, especially with the fact that
you know, Oklahoma City had the great year. Oklahoma City
came out of nowhere. But when you do look at
a lot of the numbers, including how the Denver Nuggets
are on the court, and when Jokic is there and
when he's on the bench, it's it's pretty glaring. But
I think there's some truth that. I also think he's
the kind of guy he doesn't want to get wrapped
(12:58):
up and obviously he thought the debate last year you
could tell he was uncomfortable with that. I thought at
times it got a little distasteful. The whole thing with
him and embeed. But I'll tell you what, He'll catch
a lot of heat if they get knocked out pretty
quickly in this series, just like Embiid caught some heat
last year for getting bounced out in the second round.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
All right, Explain to me if you're vetting Frank Vogel
that you see or don't see something in one year
that you basically say, you know what, we made a
mistake giving you a five year deal, you're the reason
to blame for the Phoenix Suns and you fire him.
How does that happen after one year?
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (13:35):
To me, it kind of says that they don't know
what they're doing in Phoenix from this standpoint, because when
there was talk about them getting Bradley Bale, and you
looked at their roster and you're thinking, well, well, why
did they really need him for? You have Devin Booker,
Kevin Durant. You're going to give up all these assets
to get a guy that has been hurt a lot
over the last few years, hasn't won a lot of games.
And you look at the way the roster was constructed
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and to say, is Frank Vogel the perfect coach for
that team? I would have no idea, but to put
it all on him doesn't make sense. And Frank bol
what was it a five year, thirty one million dollar
contract he's walking away with. But Phoenix is in a
bad spot because, come on, Dan, look look at what's
going on in the NBA. You know, Steph didn't even
make the playoffs. Lebron Anthony Davis are out, Kawhi and
the Clippers are out, Damian Lowd and Giannis are out,
(14:17):
and obviously Kevin Durant and the Phoenix Suns are at
There does seem to be a shift happening in the
NBA with younger teams and having what Minnesota like, I
would rather have Jaden McDaniels and you know, nas Reed
than have Bradley Beal on my team, Like, oh, I
don't really, I.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Don't really need that.
Speaker 9 (14:33):
So I think I think the smarter teams are looking
to fill out their roster with you know, hard playing
role players.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Look at the New York Knicks.
Speaker 9 (14:40):
They got the one star on the team in Jalen Brunson,
who's had this breakout year, but those other guys like
Dante DiVincenzo, Josh hart Isaiah Hartenstein are just physically and
mentally tough, hard playing guys.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Speaking of the next series, how surprised were you that
Rick Carlisle wasn't fined for his small market comments talking
about the NBA.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
Yeah, I really was. I think David Stern definitely with him.
I like what Rick Carlisle did. I think it was
smart from this standpoint. He's not going to sit there
after the game and start calling out Miles Turner for
not getting rebounds and Tyre's Halliburn for being terrible in
Game one. In Game two, he didn't really do much
in the fourth quarter, and I think he knows that
everything is about tonight, everything's about Game three. So I've
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been to play at Nick Pacer playoff games in Indiana before.
The crowd is going to be absolutely on fire. They're
playing for their season tonight. I think it was the
right tone of set, putting all the pressure on him,
having everybody talk about the officials, and you know this, people,
I've been in Portland for playoff games before, and the
first bad call that goes against the Portland Trailblazers, they start,
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you know, chanting, these ref stink. All the small market
teams are convinced that the league has it out for them.
So I think Rick Carla was playing to his audience,
and I think you'll see the reaction tonight in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I expect them to win, but they should have
won one of these two games New Year, right, you
know that. So I think that Rick has taking the
pressure off his team by putting it on himself and
the referees. Is this sustainable with what the Knicks are
doing given Tibbs rotation is maybe six players and Og
is not going to play in Game three?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Is it?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Yeah? Well, yeah, the problem is the problem is that
he's playing his backups right now because these are the
guys that were, you know, filling in for guys that
got hurt. So now you start going to your you know,
third string guys, and they're not going to.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Be as good.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
You know. It's funny. We had talked about the idea
of sitting Jalen Brunson this before we knew that oj
Anobi wouldn't play, sitting him for a game, and there
is precedence. If you go back to two thousand and one,
Philadelphia made the Eastern Conference Finals against Milwaukee. The series
was tied at one one and Iverson was taking such
a pounding he was hurting. They actually sat him out
in Game three on the road in Milwaukee. That's a
(16:51):
gutsy move. In Philadelphia lost that game, so they were
down to one in the series. Iverson came back to
play Game four, they won that. They eventually go on
to win the series. If you're the Knicks, well, I
don't know if you ever want to punt a playoff game,
but if there was ever a time to maybe rest everybody,
especially with og Anobi, just play the other guys and
almost have like open tryouts for who's going to be
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our new sixth, seventh, and eighth the rest of the series.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, but if you can take one nick off celebrity
row and maybe get some minutes out of him, who
you're taking.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
That's a good one. That's a good one. I'd probably say,
because he looks like he's fit. It would be Stephan Marbury, who,
by the way, never won a playoff series, never want
a playoff game in a nick uniform. I mean, I
know he's getting treated like he's a conquering hero there.
It probably be him because he looks like he's in
the most shape. He's in the best shape.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
By it feels like Mellow can get about ten shots
off though, and you know maybe in about.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Carmelo will say he wants to start.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
He doesn't want to come off the best.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
That would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Have a great weekend, Frank, Thanks for joining us, Dan,
I'll see you guys. Frank I soolim covering the NBA
with a round the horn and pardon the eruption, We'll.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Take a break.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Charlie Ward, former Heisman winner, get his thoughts not only
on his former team, the Knicks, and also playing football
or playing basketball. He won the Heisman but played in
the NBA, had a long career. He'll join us. Coming
up in a little bit. The great comedian Bill Burr
will stop by as well. Take a break back after
this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2 (19:03):
According to DraftKings, the Knicks are getting seven tonight over
under Jalen Brunson thirty five and a half and the
Nuggets getting four and a half against the Timberwolf. Silver
under for ant Man is twenty seven and a half.
Joker is twenty eight and a half. A couple of
phone calls, then we'll talk to the former Heisman Trophy
winner Charlie Ward, Matt and Riverside. I'm Matt, what do
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you have for me today?
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (19:27):
Happy me prior to you and DP and the boy,
thanks for calling back. I called in yesterday. I forgot
the way in six one two fifteen, So shout out
to young Marvin Prince upfront for keeping the boys updated
on the language of the culture. But the reason why
I was calling is I didn't think relegation was going
to lead to a public roasting, so I thought it
(19:48):
would be a great idea to call back to send
apology to the back left but yeah, anyway, so I
do think that the NBA does have a problem crowning
at MVP three secondive years. I think the last time, Paul,
you might have to check this live time that happened
with Wade board Bird eighty four to eighty seven. But
since then we have a slew of back to back
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campion MVPs that haven't got crowned. Enjoyed me, have a
great day.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Matt's the one who brought up relegation and Fritzy not
here today.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's a mere coincidence.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That is taking the brunt of his relegation talk.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yes he has, Yes he has. Robin Orlando, Hi, Rob,
Welcome back, Dahan.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Two quick things for you. First Off, I'm going to a
part of the bet payoff that I got to give
to Marvin from the Orlando Magic. Yeah, I'm making it
to the Eastern Conference finals. So I'll listen to him.
Let me know how he wants me to do it,
what type of pause. And also I need to have
a little rebuttal for Mark and sault Glay. Yesterday a
little late in the show drops a hammer questioning me
(20:52):
be in the sense of the three d DC dojo.
I just have to, you know, if I have to
go into more detail on it. Two time divorced with kids,
dead dad, three dead dogs, and my third dead dog
happened at the hands of my second wife, second ex wife,
who let him out, and he had a tragic for
(21:15):
the July firework accident. So I just you know, I mean, listen,
this is solid stuff.
Speaker 11 (21:20):
I don't take this lightly.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
No damn rom I feel bad for you.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
It's like an entire country album.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That is DDC across the board. Dead Dad's, divorced dad,
dead dog, Rob's done at all. By the way, Luca
goes to the press conference last night and he hears something.
Have you guys, did you guys see this? Oh dear, Okay,
so here's Luca. No, no, I'm just going to touch on
(21:48):
it here. Okay, somebody's touching on it. Okay, So here here.
So Luca is there, and you could hear the PA
over head, so there's noise in the PA system now
that goes out to the arena, but also in the
press room. So Luca's there after the wind and he
hears this.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
We are open shots. So I'm just how sharing the
ball and our energy was great.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay? Okay?
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Moving on, what was that?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You hear a woman moaning and Lucas stops and he's
looking up like what is this? And uh I don't
know if it was explained too many one by anyone,
but it certainly was play one more time here.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
We were open shots. So I'm just how sharing the
ball and our energy was great.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay, it's around the horning.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Blue blue hamp Paul.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
First of all, I can't believe Tod's not here for this.
Oh my god, this is like his Super Bowl. There's
mixed reports on where the audio came from. It could
either be a laptop where someone didn't realize their audio
is on in the back or another room, or someone
on a laptop or phone had like Bluetooth connected to
the audio system and it went out.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Over the overhead. Pa. Okay, here's a quick question for
the room.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
If you were the employee that did this, Let's say
it was an employee that did this, you rat yourself
out or hope you never get caught.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I hope I don't get cat I hope I don't
can act like you didn't know that you know you
could have caused this.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Imagine you win the Heisman, you.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Play quarterback, you play quarterback at Florida State, and you
decide that you're going to play in the NBA and
not the NFL. That's what happened with Charlie Wurtz. So
you know, Kyler Murray wins the Heisman and he would
have been a top ten pick in baseball, he's the
number one pick in football, decides she's going to play football.
So Charlie Ward, back in the early nineties, he won
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the Heisman at Florida State and then went into the NBA,
played for the Knicks, played in the NBA finals, had
a good career over a decade, but didn't play in
the NFL. We thought it'd be fun to reach out
to Charlie get his thoughts on this Austin Rivers topic
of NBA and NFL. But Charlie Ward, the former Heisman
Trophy winner, now he's a high school basketball coach the
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boys varsity basketball at Florida High in Tallahassee. Charlie, thanks
for joining us on the program. What do you think?
What do you see when you look at this Knixt team?
Speaker 12 (24:36):
I see a team that has built very similar to
their coach. There are gritty, prepared, hart working, they find
a way to outlast. They're piecing it together right now.
But I see our group that is connected in a
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lot of ways of stepping up. But just like any team,
you gotta have a go to guy, and they have
that in Jalen Brutson, so that that gives you a
chance every night, especially in close games.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What do you remember about the NBA Finals nineteen ninety
nine when you guys face the Spurs and you didn't
have Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
Well, we also didn't have Larry Johnson for a good
portion of that series as well, which hurt our depth,
especially against the Spurs who had a bigger, big, bigger lineup.
But I just the experience one of beating Indiana, which
was a great in the East content Finals. It was
a great atmosphere, very similar to what we're seeing now
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in the Garden and that series. We always at some
point you play your best game, and your best game
is not good enough. You know it's gonna be a
long series, and so that that was something, you know,
was disheartening because we just didn't have seemed like we
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just didn't have enough in the way of you know,
depth to be able to overcome what the Spurs brought.
And of course they had Tim Duncan who was young
at that time and he was very dominant and it
was tough for us to stop him. So of course
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we had a plan. But they made some shots as well,
big time shots when they needed them. Even Avery Johnson
made a shot in the corner I think it was
in game four or five to help them win a game,
which you know that was not his mo but he
stepped up and made that big shot to propel them
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in the garden.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Talking to Charlie Ward, former Heisman Trophy winner in Florida State,
what was it like being in the room Reggie Bush
got his Heisman back?
Speaker 12 (27:04):
It was a really, really great moment. I was shocked
when they mentioned that they were going to give it back.
We had been there has been a campaign within the
room Heisman room meetings before this moment, and we were
just grateful that, you know, they made the right decision
to do it for him and you know, kind of
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break whatever barriers there were for him not having it,
but just happy for him and his family, you know,
being able to see his wife and him sharing that
this is the first time his kids, we're getting opportunity
to see the Heisman, and those moments you can't you know,
put into you know words, and so I'm just grateful
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that he had this opportunity to be able to share
that with his kids and his family.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But you guys were just going to a breakfast and
probably signing some memorabilia. Next thing you know, there's Reggie
and there's the Heisman.
Speaker 12 (28:05):
Yes, it was pretty shocking in the sense I guess
I'll use that word again because we were there for
breakfast and we were getting ready to have a meeting,
and like ten minutes before the announcement came, Mike Comfort
came around and said, Hey, we got this article that's
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getting ready to go out about Reggie receiving this heusmand
back and we're gonna give it to him right now,
and he's on his way. So that was I was happy.
But they did a great job of keeping it concealed
from because no one in the room knew. Well, I
think the Heisman winners that were there they didn't know.
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I'm sure there's some others in the room that knew
about it, but we didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now you're a boys varsity basketball coach. Do your kids
know that you have a Heisman trophy?
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (29:00):
They do?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, Yeah, you don't bring it to practice or do
anything like that just to remind them of how great
you were.
Speaker 12 (29:08):
No, they'm do any of that stuff. But you know,
we try to help them understand. I mean, they have
Google and all the different things, and we've been able
to give them some great experiences and other people from
the outside, you know, like Alan Houston when he was
in Tallahassee, he stopped by to talk to the guys.
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I've had Larry Johnson speak to them at one point,
be a Zoom and so just bringing back some old
friends to be able to share wisdom with them. They
so they understand and know do.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You think if if we look back to when you're
playing football and basketball at Florida State, if I if
that was now and you were playing both, would you
have made the same decision to play basketball instead of football?
Speaker 12 (30:00):
Would have been very tough decision. I played basketball and
football because I enjoyed playing both sports. And you know
the way I got into basketball in college was, you know,
Coach Bollen allowed me to go and play basketball my
second year in school. I was reid shirting in football
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that year, and he had promised me when I was
being recruited that I could or go and play that
I could play basketball in college, and so he was
a man to his word allowed me to go out
my second year that way I was. I was able
to establish myself as a basketball player, and so when
I came back from football the next few years, I
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was able to have a place because I had established myself.
So I don't know, it depends on the coach, but
being able to have that that year of establishing myself
as a basketball player was very key for me. And
I don't know if that's the would be the case today,
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but grateful that I came alone at the same time
around that time. But the difference is right now is
guys that are very similar to me as a football player,
they're getting drafted in the first round. Which was my
statement that I made coming out of college that if
I got drafted the first round, then I would play football,
but any other round, you know, I would consider my
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other options.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Austin Rivers sparked the debate of the NBA versus NFL players,
in which side could play an the other sport. And
I know you didn't play in the NFL, but having
played in the NBA, what's your take on this.
Speaker 12 (31:37):
Well, I didn't play in the NFL, but I did
play in the NBA, and that was tough, especially during
my era, because it was very, very physical, which I
didn't mind, you know, playing with the Knicks during that time.
That's the way we practiced, that's the way we played.
But football is different as well. You know, have Us
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has his physicality points, especially during that time where they
didn't protect the quarterback and and so there are a
lot of things that are different today that weren't back
during that time. But you know, I heard the debate
with Austin and everybody was commenting on it. You know,
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when you're in a professional sport, I don't care what
sport that is, it's hard, you know, because everyone's competing,
everyone's doing, you know, putting it in time and effort
to be the best that they can be. And so
when you're talking about, you know, which board or athlete
is the best athlete? Uh, Athletics in general is hard.
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I mean, if you try to get in a race car,
you know we can do that. You know that that
takes a certain type of mentality, training all those things,
and people race car drivers are athletes, well get in
the race car. And so until you put yourself in
someone else's shoes, it's hard to say what who is
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the best?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Got a Michael Jordan's story for me before we say goodbye?
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Yes, doing our time with the Knicks. You know, there
was no layup rule, and every time someone went to
the basket, there was going to be a challenge in
some form of fashion where it was standing in front
of a guy or going and try to meet him.
And so Michael Jordan this time was going to the
basket and I decided that, hey, may be a good
(33:38):
idea to try to go in block a shot again.
Unfortunately that time I got put on a poster and
with the fat lip. And then I always always ask
how many people have that story? So I'm just grateful
to have great Michael Jordan stories because that meant that
I was. I was there in the building.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
So you got a fat lip and he dunked on you,
Yes you did. But you know what, Michael doesn't have
a heisman.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Charlie.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, Hey, great to talk to you, Good luck with
your team and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12 (34:16):
Thanks, I appreciate you having me on Dan again.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Charlie Ward, Heisman Trophy winner now teaching high school basketball,
coaching high school basketball in Tallahassee.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, it doesn't happen now.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Where you win a Heisman, chances are you're going to
get drafted, probably going to get drafted really high. But
Charlie didn't even get drafted coming out of Florida State.
And it's not like he wasn't playing against good competition.
I just think his style of quarterback play probably wasn't
as readily acceptable at that time. All right, let me
take a break. We'll come back. We'll get to more
(34:50):
phone calls. The great comedian Bill Burr will stop buying
the final hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
More phone calls coming up. Update the poll results seating
if you can from the first two plus hours or
almost two hours.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yet, we got a couple of them up there. Daniel,
We have covering many topics that we have been covering today.
Would you rather have seventeen million dollars in a Super
Bowl ring or fifty four million dollars and no titles.
Right now, sixty two percent of the audience are taking
the fifty four million.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, would you rather have James Jones's career as a
former Packer wide receiver or would you rather have Austin
Rivers career as an NBA play?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Fifty four million dollars is a significant amount of money, yeah,
but as is seventeen million.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, and a Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yes, Paul, that may be the most random pull questions
in show history, that old James Jones, Austin Rivers?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yes, Yes? How many years have we been talking about that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Lastic eat that to death?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
What else do you have we also have up there? Well?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Would you rather have a ten year career in the
NFL or NBA? NBA is running away with that one.
And then after a bad loss in a series, a
player should be openly upset or common measured? Fifty eight
percent of the audience say common measured.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
That interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, I like it if it's a player who's accomplished something,
because then I'm going to buy in that he's okay
with this.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Because he's been there before. He knows what this takes.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yes, fair, Jason Tatum, you've do you understand disappointment and
that that's we've yet to have a title there. So
if he would have said, hey, look now you know
Aaron Rodgers said, you know r E L A X. Okay,
that was November and he had had a Super Bowl,
but they didn't end up with a Super Bowl on
(36:54):
that year when he was telling everybody to relax. By
the way, if you think what's happening in New York,
so you got Yankees playing well, you got the Knicks,
you got the Rangers. There's optimism with the Jets, the Giants.
May I mean the fact that the Rangers in the
Knicks are playing great. The Rangers playing exciting, dramatic games,
(37:17):
and now you got the Knicks on the road playing
in Indiana tonight. It's a pretty exciting time. Okay, who
had the best week? If I said, is there an
individual or a team who had the best week? Paulie,
I'll start with you, and it.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Could be anybody right related to sports?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yes, sports related.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Okay, I'm gonna make my case for this guy.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
He'd been out of the media for a long time,
not involved in the NFL in any way, doesn't do
a lot of interviews. Drew Bledsoe at the Tom Brady Rose,
he was in a position where he was the first
non comedian on stage. He crushed it, and he looked
great doing it. He came off great, and I think
a younger generation got reminded of who he is in
(37:58):
a very entertaining fashion, so much so that if I'm him,
I would consider parlaying this into maybe getting back into
NFL media in some fashion, because he's pretty hot right now.
I know he's satisfied with what he's doing. He's got
a lot of money, but if he's ever got that itch,
the time would be right.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
If or just you, We're going to say Johnny Manziel
because he's dating jose Canseco's daughter, So it seemed like
Johnny's had a pretty good week for a guy who
hasn't done anything for quite some time.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
I'm gonna go Drew.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Okay, by the way, Drew has a two hundred and
fifty one career touchdown pass.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna go Johnny Manziel having a better week
than Drew Bledsoell, have you seen jose Canseiko's daughter. Now, yeah, yeah,
he won another Heisman.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Let's put it that way. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Uh see, you got somebody who had a better week
than Drew Bledsoell or Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Well, because this.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Is a few weeks running together. But I feel like
Anthony Edwards is having a great time. Okay, he's having
he's hitting a new super star, a level of superstardom.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh, by the way, the Phoenix Suns have hired Mike Budenholzer. Yeah, okay,
and then a year from this time, at this time,
Mike Budenholz. Can we just pretape something about God? Can
you believe the Suns moved on from Mike Budenholzer after
a year?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Dan, they only let Mike Budenholzer one year there.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Uh, that's four coaches in four years, Marvin, do you
have somebody had a good year team, a good.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Week, good week. You know what I'm gonna say, show
he Otani. He's been going off. He's had a great
start to the year, and this whole interpreter thing, he's
been kind of, you know, absolved from it. And that's him,
that wasn't me. So I think I'm gonna go with Otani.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That's a good week, but he's still out sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
He's gonna make that up by my tunes, but he's.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Still out sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yeah, but he it seems like the court case or
whatever the investigation is not leaning towards him. It's it's
all in the interpreter's hands.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Yeah, best week, you got to judge it. Dan.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Oh, Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Aunt Edwards feels like this nice coming out party that everybody's.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Then somebody asks him about the comparisons with him and Jordan.
He says he shoots the three better than Mike. Like,
I wouldn't say anything if I'm Anthony Edwards with that
which I left. Yeah, yeah, Mike, hold on, Anthony, let's
go get it. Mike didn't shoot threes because he didn't
need to shoot threes.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Well that's Mike.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
If you said, Mike, I want you to be a
good outside shooter, he would have been a good outside shooter.
It's just you didn't shoot the three like, you know,
you went to the hoop, you got teams in foul trouble,
you know, not shooting you know, threes.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
Yes, Mark Anthony Edwards might be one of the few
players who's as entertaining on the mic as he is
on the field or on the court.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, He's got some fun things to say
and I appreciate that. All right, coming up, final hour,
more phone calls here on this meet Friday. Yes, Todd
is not here and it's merely a coincidence that we
had discussions about dannett relegation, but Todd, I think we'll
be back on Monday.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Seaton Pole question for hour two is.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
What well for hour one? We threw up a couple
of them there and that literally threw up. We put
some of them, oh right there.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We have.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Would you rather have a ten year career as a
solid player in the NFL or NBA. Right now, seventy
two percent of the audience have the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, of course you're gonna make a whole lot more money.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, by leaps and bounds. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
What's funny about that pole question is even if you
like the football a lot more, you'd still probably take
the NBA because of the health and the money and
the guaranteed contract. Sure, yeah, you cannot even be you
could be a casual basketball person.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You probably only if you said I was winning a
Super Bowl would I entertain that to be a football player?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
If I take away, you're not going to play a
more que position.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You're gonna be a linebacker or you're going to be,
you know, a role player in the NBA, gonna make
a whole lot more money. Unless you say, hey, you're
going to be a linebacker on a super Bowl winning team. Okay, maybe,
but you know, just look at what Austin Rivers made
in his career. It still made, you know, over fifty
(02:13):
million dollars and probably no serious injuries.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
See, so I think I'm going to change that pull
question up. It's a different version of a similar concept,
but this one was on Twitter from Jimmy. I think,
all right, Jimmy, would you rather have seventeen million dollars
and a Super Bowl ring or fifty million and no
Championship ring?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I guess it depends on the position that I play, Like,
did I really contribute?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Are they going to remember me?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Would you rather have seventeen million dollars and a Super
Bowl ring? Or what is it? Fifty four million? He
made something like a fifty four million dollars and no ring.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So James Jones got into this conversation about Austin Rivers,
the NBA and the NFL. James Jones played wide receiver
the Packers. He won a super Bowl, but he may
considerably less money than Austin Rivers. I mean, am I
(03:07):
going to pass up fifty million dollars? Did you have
to be reminded that James Jones played in the Super
Bowl with the Packers because I did. Yeah, You're like, oh, okay, yeah,
he won a super Bowl. That's not necessarily a legacy play. No,
because neither one of them have a No. I mean,
they're not Hall of Fame careers.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
But every time they the Green Bay brings back players
to celebrate that ring, he gets the call.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Okay, so you get a free trip to Green Bay. No,
but you have you get to stay by the airport
at the hotel there.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
You know what the I think, I'm just I don't
know that I would necessarily agree with this, but there
is a certain amount of value that you really can't put,
like a monetary value on winning and how awesome that is,
how much fun it is to be like, you know what,
We're gonna start this season, work our asses off, and
at the end of it we won and we were
the best team that there is a value to that.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yes, boy, all right, I'll throw out a different conbo Okay,
I think you're gonna love it. You could have the
career and earnings of Julian Edelman of the Patriots or
Bradley Bealo, the basketball player for the Sons.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bradley Beal's probably made two hundred million dollars more than
Julian night.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
I think you're correct.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I have Julian Edelman making about just under fifty million,
and Bradley Beal makes.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
That in eight months.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He makes that in one year.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Correct, Let's say he made that in injured games this year,
in games he didn't play this year.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Okay, just about the Okay, one.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Would you if I said you're gonna make two hundred
and fifty million and no titles, and you're gonna do
it in obscurity, nobody's gonna remember you? Or Edelman, who
had one of the best postseason careers in NFL history.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
PAULI, I can't believe I'm saying this, and I don't
know if I'm lying to myself, but I'm taking Julian
Edeman's oak Seaton.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You taking Edelman or you're taking Bradley Beal for two
one hundred million dollars more.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I no, I would take Edelman because I understand that
two hundred and fifty million dollars is a lot of money,
but fifty something what is it?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
How much to be? Fifty?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Fifty million dollars is also an unbelievable amount of money.
And most of my career was spent being awesome or
on an awesome team.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Hell yeah, okay, that Marvin, what about you?
Speaker 7 (05:22):
I can't believe I'm saying this. I'm with the other guys.
I'm going Julian Edelman. And also because of the money
that you can make post career.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, okay, but he's got a Bradley Beal's got a
big head start on the amount of money that Julian
Edlan is gonna make.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Edelman could make money post career. Bradley Beal could just
look at his money, hey, to his career.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, I'm taking Bradley Beal at two hundred and fifty
million dollars it, yes, okay, I get to shoot as
much as I want I get. Yeah, I mean that's
all I care about. I get to score, and I'm
gonna have two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I mean, I mean it's nice.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'll congratulate you on your titles while I'm on my yacht.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
All Right, we might have been lying.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think you guys were lying. I don't think that
we were.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Fifty four million dollars is an unbelievable amount of money.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Uh, okay, it is.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me ask a journalist, Frank Iol. He is covering
the NBA, covering the Knicks Pacers contributor to Around the Horn,
Pardon the interruption I had, Frank, If I said you
could have Bradley Beal's career and money or Julian Edelman's career, yeah.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
I'd probably take Dan Patrick's career in money. But in
this case and your crew is nuts, I'm taking Bradley
Beal number one. Think about the money so clearly, do
they have a significant other in their life, A wife,
a girlfriend, parents, They would tell them you nuts. Take
the two hundred and fifty. It's generational money. Who cares
about you want a championship?
Speaker 6 (06:55):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (06:55):
I'd love to play with Tom Brady too. I'm taking
the money. I agree with you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay where you stand on this whole Austin Rivers discussion
that he had with Pat McAfee on how many players
in the NBA do you think if I gave them
a year could play in the NFL?
Speaker 9 (07:12):
I think you could find a few that could do it.
I mean Paulo ben Caro and Lebron James couldn't play
tight end. Tight End would seem to be the one
position that you can get guys to play, and maybe
defensive back as well. Like to me, making that transition
from being an NBA player to maybe playing football is
more realistic than thinking they're going to play hockey, tennis, golf, soccer.
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I mean, there are unique skill sets that you need
for that, and that's not to say NFL players aren't skilled.
But you don't think all these great athletes we have
in the NBA, not one of them could be a
defensive back, Not one of them could be a tight end.
Who knows Jason Tatum could be the next Harold Carmaker.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Who knows he's having a hard time being the original
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
True? Okay, explain this to me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
We have a large sample size with the Celtics, and
I know it's recency bias after last night, but they
got blown out by twenty four at home by an
under man Cleveland team. I know it's one game, but
it feels like it's more than that because it goes
back to what we've seen where they love the three,
they live and die by it, and they don't adjust
when they don't make it.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I agree.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
I'm texting my radio partner Brian Scalabrini, because I'm always
killing them about the Celtics. I said, your team is
so soft. They didn't respond, which told me a lot.
I look at the Eastern Conference. It's like one tough
team mentally and physically, especially now that Miami's gone, and
that's the New York Knicks. I mean, if you're the
Boston Celtics. At what point you know, if they're just
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launching up threes, they're not getting it done on defense.
They don't play with any emotion. The buildings seem to
be dead, and haven't they learned their lesson? They lost
game one in the second round last year to Philadelphia.
That was without Embiid. They lost games one and two
at home to Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. This year,
they lost game two to Miami. That to me was
a surprise. It's not so much about the result. Anybody
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could lose. It was, to your point, more about the performance.
And there's such a big team. I don't understand why
they don't try to exploit mismatches, throw the ball into
the post, whether it's Drew Holliday on Darius Garlander, Jason
Tatum on Max Strus, try.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
To do something like that.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
The way that they were shooting last night, where it's
all about three porters, and the way that they were defending,
it's hard to see them winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Also, I don't know where you stand with athletes postgame
press conferences.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Jason Tatum is even keel.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now we might compliment that and say, hey, you know what,
doesn't get too high too low. You know, I like
to have that passion. I'd like when it bothers you,
it hurts you, it angers you, you're fired up. I'd
love for Jason Tatum to just say this won't happen again.
I won't allow this to happen again.
Speaker 9 (09:45):
I kind of agree with you, and I think you
see that on the court as well, because I was
saying to Brian Scalabrina, who played with Jason Kidd in
New Jersey and then got to play with Kevin Garnett
and Boston, like those guys would not settle for something
like that, And Jason Tatum after the game saying everyone
specs us to win every game by a blowout. No, no,
we don't, but we expect better effort from you guys.
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Especially TEENA won sixty four games during the regular season
and they have a chance to put you know, Cleveland
would have been on the ropes. And remember Cleveland in
the first round. They went to Orlando three times and
they didn't win a game in Orlando. So they came
into the you know, the Boston Garden, the ghosts of
you know Bill Russell and Larry Bird and Paul Pierce,
and they took them out pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Talking to frank Iy Sola of course around the horn
on the Mothership part in the interruption covering the NBA Playoffs,
trying to figure out what Denver team shows up tonight.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
What do you expect?
Speaker 9 (10:37):
I would think, you know, there's been a lot of
a lot of talk about both Nikola Jokic, you know
what's happened to him in this series, but especially Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray's got to have a better game, especially since
he got he caught a lucky break. He should have
been ejected from Game two. He should be suspended for
Game three. There has been a little bit more time
off now between games two and three. We're going to
see what type of team Denver is because now you're
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on the road, you at least have to win game
three to really have a realistic chance of winning that
building tonight. It's going to be fired up for Minnesota.
I don't think they've played at home in about fifteen
days or so. You know, they're six and zero in
the playoffs, and four of those wins have come on
the road against Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, the aforementioned Bradley
Beal and of course what they did to the defending champs.
I would think that you're going to see a different
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performance by Denver. Would The problem that Denver has is
that Minnesota has guys that could guard Nicole Jokich, including Nasriedi,
even Carl Anthony Towns a bit. And then they got
Rudy Gobert hanging around the rim getting ready to clean
everything up.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I said this the other day, caught a little heat,
but I stand by it. I don't think the Joker
wins another MVP and after this year, yes, but it's
nothing against him. In fact, like Lebron has it won
one in over a decade. I get at one point
it stopped with Michael and they gave it to Charles
and gave it to Karl Malone. Like the media moves on,
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you know, they can't wait for Anthony Edwards, John Morant
coming back. Maybe it's Lucas like it feels like the
Joker had his run here and it might be the
ultimate compliment of he probably can't out Joker himself.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, you know.
I you know, I have a vote. Last year, I
voted for himb This year, I voted for Nicola jok
if someone that stands out the most for me, and
I don't remember having a vote back then was the
year that Karmelone won it instead of Michael Jordan, And
it did really feel as if the media was saying,
Karmelone's been so good for so long, the Utah Jazz
had been this really good team. It was almost like
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a lifetime achievement MVP for karmel And I think there's
a lot.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Of truth to that.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
I think I thought it was going to be a
little bit closer this year, especially with the fact that
you know, Oklahoma City had the great year. Oklahoma City
came out of nowhere. But when you do look at
a lot of the numbers, including how the Denver Nuggets
are on the court, and when Jokic is there and
when he's on the bench, it's it's pretty glaring. But
I think there's some truth that. I also think he's
the kind of guy he doesn't want to get wrapped
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up and obviously he thought the debate last year you
could tell he was uncomfortable with that. I thought at
times it got a little distasteful. The whole thing with
him and embeed. But I'll tell you what, He'll catch
a lot of heat if they get knocked out pretty
quickly in this series, just like Embiid caught some heat
last year for getting bounced out in the second round.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
All right, Explain to me if you're vetting Frank Vogel
that you see or don't see something in one year
that you basically say, you know what, we made a
mistake giving you a five year deal, you're the reason
to blame for the Phoenix Suns and you fire him.
How does that happen after one year?
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (13:35):
To me, it kind of says that they don't know
what they're doing in Phoenix from this standpoint, because when
there was talk about them getting Bradley Bale, and you
looked at their roster and you're thinking, well, well, why
did they really need him for? You have Devin Booker,
Kevin Durant. You're going to give up all these assets
to get a guy that has been hurt a lot
over the last few years, hasn't won a lot of games.
And you look at the way the roster was constructed
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and to say, is Frank Vogel the perfect coach for
that team? I would have no idea, but to put
it all on him doesn't make sense. And Frank bol
what was it a five year, thirty one million dollar
contract he's walking away with. But Phoenix is in a
bad spot because, come on, Dan, look look at what's
going on in the NBA. You know, Steph didn't even
make the playoffs. Lebron Anthony Davis are out, Kawhi and
the Clippers are out, Damian Lowd and Giannis are out,
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and obviously Kevin Durant and the Phoenix Suns are at
There does seem to be a shift happening in the
NBA with younger teams and having what Minnesota like, I
would rather have Jaden McDaniels and you know, nas Reed
than have Bradley Beal on my team, Like, oh, I
don't really, I.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Don't really need that.
Speaker 9 (14:33):
So I think I think the smarter teams are looking
to fill out their roster with you know, hard playing
role players.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Look at the New York Knicks.
Speaker 9 (14:40):
They got the one star on the team in Jalen Brunson,
who's had this breakout year, but those other guys like
Dante DiVincenzo, Josh hart Isaiah Hartenstein are just physically and
mentally tough, hard playing guys.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Speaking of the next series, how surprised were you that
Rick Carlisle wasn't fined for his small market comments talking
about the NBA.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
Yeah, I really was. I think David Stern definitely with him.
I like what Rick Carlisle did. I think it was
smart from this standpoint. He's not going to sit there
after the game and start calling out Miles Turner for
not getting rebounds and Tyre's Halliburn for being terrible in
Game one. In Game two, he didn't really do much
in the fourth quarter, and I think he knows that
everything is about tonight, everything's about Game three. So I've
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been to play at Nick Pacer playoff games in Indiana before.
The crowd is going to be absolutely on fire. They're
playing for their season tonight. I think it was the
right tone of set, putting all the pressure on him,
having everybody talk about the officials, and you know this, people,
I've been in Portland for playoff games before, and the
first bad call that goes against the Portland Trailblazers, they start,
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you know, chanting, these ref stink. All the small market
teams are convinced that the league has it out for them.
So I think Rick Carla was playing to his audience,
and I think you'll see the reaction tonight in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I expect them to win, but they should have
won one of these two games New Year, right, you
know that. So I think that Rick has taking the
pressure off his team by putting it on himself and
the referees. Is this sustainable with what the Knicks are
doing given Tibbs rotation is maybe six players and Og
is not going to play in Game three?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Is it?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Yeah? Well, yeah, the problem is the problem is that
he's playing his backups right now because these are the
guys that were, you know, filling in for guys that
got hurt. So now you start going to your you know,
third string guys, and they're not going to.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Be as good.
Speaker 9 (16:29):
You know. It's funny. We had talked about the idea
of sitting Jalen Brunson this before we knew that oj
Anobi wouldn't play, sitting him for a game, and there
is precedence. If you go back to two thousand and one,
Philadelphia made the Eastern Conference Finals against Milwaukee. The series
was tied at one one and Iverson was taking such
a pounding he was hurting. They actually sat him out
in Game three on the road in Milwaukee. That's a
(16:51):
gutsy move. In Philadelphia lost that game, so they were
down to one in the series. Iverson came back to
play Game four, they won that. They eventually go on
to win the series. If you're the Knicks, well, I
don't know if you ever want to punt a playoff game,
but if there was ever a time to maybe rest everybody,
especially with og Anobi, just play the other guys and
almost have like open tryouts for who's going to be
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our new sixth, seventh, and eighth the rest of the series.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, but if you can take one nick off celebrity
row and maybe get some minutes out of him, who
you're taking.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
That's a good one. That's a good one. I'd probably say,
because he looks like he's fit. It would be Stephan Marbury, who,
by the way, never won a playoff series, never want
a playoff game in a nick uniform. I mean, I
know he's getting treated like he's a conquering hero there.
It probably be him because he looks like he's in
the most shape. He's in the best shape.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
By it feels like Mellow can get about ten shots
off though, and you know maybe in about.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Carmelo will say he wants to start.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
He doesn't want to come off the best.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
That would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Have a great weekend, Frank, Thanks for joining us, Dan,
I'll see you guys. Frank I soolim covering the NBA
with a round the horn and pardon the eruption, We'll.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Take a break.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Charlie Ward, former Heisman winner, get his thoughts not only
on his former team, the Knicks, and also playing football
or playing basketball. He won the Heisman but played in
the NBA, had a long career. He'll join us. Coming
up in a little bit. The great comedian Bill Burr
will stop by as well. Take a break back after
this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2 (19:03):
According to DraftKings, the Knicks are getting seven tonight over
under Jalen Brunson thirty five and a half and the
Nuggets getting four and a half against the Timberwolf. Silver
under for ant Man is twenty seven and a half.
Joker is twenty eight and a half. A couple of
phone calls, then we'll talk to the former Heisman Trophy
winner Charlie Ward, Matt and Riverside. I'm Matt, what do
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you have for me today?
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (19:27):
Happy me prior to you and DP and the boy,
thanks for calling back. I called in yesterday. I forgot
the way in six one two fifteen, So shout out
to young Marvin Prince upfront for keeping the boys updated
on the language of the culture. But the reason why
I was calling is I didn't think relegation was going
to lead to a public roasting, so I thought it
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would be a great idea to call back to send
apology to the back left but yeah, anyway, so I
do think that the NBA does have a problem crowning
at MVP three secondive years. I think the last time, Paul,
you might have to check this live time that happened
with Wade board Bird eighty four to eighty seven. But
since then we have a slew of back to back
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campion MVPs that haven't got crowned. Enjoyed me, have a
great day.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Matt's the one who brought up relegation and Fritzy not
here today.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's a mere coincidence.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That is taking the brunt of his relegation talk.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yes he has, Yes he has. Robin Orlando, Hi, Rob,
Welcome back, Dahan.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Two quick things for you. First Off, I'm going to a
part of the bet payoff that I got to give
to Marvin from the Orlando Magic. Yeah, I'm making it
to the Eastern Conference finals. So I'll listen to him.
Let me know how he wants me to do it,
what type of pause. And also I need to have
a little rebuttal for Mark and sault Glay. Yesterday a
little late in the show drops a hammer questioning me
(20:52):
be in the sense of the three d DC dojo.
I just have to, you know, if I have to
go into more detail on it. Two time divorced with kids,
dead dad, three dead dogs, and my third dead dog
happened at the hands of my second wife, second ex wife,
who let him out, and he had a tragic for
(21:15):
the July firework accident. So I just you know, I mean, listen,
this is solid stuff.
Speaker 11 (21:20):
I don't take this lightly.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
No damn rom I feel bad for you.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
It's like an entire country album.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That is DDC across the board. Dead Dad's, divorced dad,
dead dog, Rob's done at all. By the way, Luca
goes to the press conference last night and he hears something.
Have you guys, did you guys see this? Oh dear, Okay,
so here's Luca. No, no, I'm just going to touch on
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it here. Okay, somebody's touching on it. Okay, So here here.
So Luca is there, and you could hear the PA
over head, so there's noise in the PA system now
that goes out to the arena, but also in the
press room. So Luca's there after the wind and he
hears this.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
We are open shots. So I'm just how sharing the
ball and our energy was great.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay? Okay?
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Moving on, what was that?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You hear a woman moaning and Lucas stops and he's
looking up like what is this? And uh I don't
know if it was explained too many one by anyone,
but it certainly was play one more time here.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
We were open shots. So I'm just how sharing the
ball and our energy was great.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay, it's around the horning.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Blue blue hamp Paul.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
First of all, I can't believe Tod's not here for this.
Oh my god, this is like his Super Bowl. There's
mixed reports on where the audio came from. It could
either be a laptop where someone didn't realize their audio
is on in the back or another room, or someone
on a laptop or phone had like Bluetooth connected to
the audio system and it went out.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Over the overhead. Pa. Okay, here's a quick question for
the room.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
If you were the employee that did this, Let's say
it was an employee that did this, you rat yourself
out or hope you never get caught.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I hope I don't get cat I hope I don't
can act like you didn't know that you know you
could have caused this.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Imagine you win the Heisman, you.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Play quarterback, you play quarterback at Florida State, and you
decide that you're going to play in the NBA and
not the NFL. That's what happened with Charlie Wurtz. So
you know, Kyler Murray wins the Heisman and he would
have been a top ten pick in baseball, he's the
number one pick in football, decides she's going to play football.
So Charlie Ward, back in the early nineties, he won
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the Heisman at Florida State and then went into the NBA,
played for the Knicks, played in the NBA finals, had
a good career over a decade, but didn't play in
the NFL. We thought it'd be fun to reach out
to Charlie get his thoughts on this Austin Rivers topic
of NBA and NFL. But Charlie Ward, the former Heisman
Trophy winner, now he's a high school basketball coach the
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boys varsity basketball at Florida High in Tallahassee. Charlie, thanks
for joining us on the program. What do you think?
What do you see when you look at this Knixt team?
Speaker 12 (24:36):
I see a team that has built very similar to
their coach. There are gritty, prepared, hart working, they find
a way to outlast. They're piecing it together right now.
But I see our group that is connected in a
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lot of ways of stepping up. But just like any team,
you gotta have a go to guy, and they have
that in Jalen Brutson, so that that gives you a
chance every night, especially in close games.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What do you remember about the NBA Finals nineteen ninety
nine when you guys face the Spurs and you didn't
have Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
Well, we also didn't have Larry Johnson for a good
portion of that series as well, which hurt our depth,
especially against the Spurs who had a bigger, big, bigger lineup.
But I just the experience one of beating Indiana, which
was a great in the East content Finals. It was
a great atmosphere, very similar to what we're seeing now
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in the Garden and that series. We always at some
point you play your best game, and your best game
is not good enough. You know it's gonna be a
long series, and so that that was something, you know,
was disheartening because we just didn't have seemed like we
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just didn't have enough in the way of you know,
depth to be able to overcome what the Spurs brought.
And of course they had Tim Duncan who was young
at that time and he was very dominant and it
was tough for us to stop him. So of course
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we had a plan. But they made some shots as well,
big time shots when they needed them. Even Avery Johnson
made a shot in the corner I think it was
in game four or five to help them win a game,
which you know that was not his mo but he
stepped up and made that big shot to propel them
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in the garden.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Talking to Charlie Ward, former Heisman Trophy winner in Florida State,
what was it like being in the room Reggie Bush
got his Heisman back?
Speaker 12 (27:04):
It was a really, really great moment. I was shocked
when they mentioned that they were going to give it back.
We had been there has been a campaign within the
room Heisman room meetings before this moment, and we were
just grateful that, you know, they made the right decision
to do it for him and you know, kind of
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break whatever barriers there were for him not having it,
but just happy for him and his family, you know,
being able to see his wife and him sharing that
this is the first time his kids, we're getting opportunity
to see the Heisman, and those moments you can't you know,
put into you know words, and so I'm just grateful
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that he had this opportunity to be able to share
that with his kids and his family.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But you guys were just going to a breakfast and
probably signing some memorabilia. Next thing you know, there's Reggie
and there's the Heisman.
Speaker 12 (28:05):
Yes, it was pretty shocking in the sense I guess
I'll use that word again because we were there for
breakfast and we were getting ready to have a meeting,
and like ten minutes before the announcement came, Mike Comfort
came around and said, Hey, we got this article that's
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getting ready to go out about Reggie receiving this heusmand
back and we're gonna give it to him right now,
and he's on his way. So that was I was happy.
But they did a great job of keeping it concealed
from because no one in the room knew. Well, I
think the Heisman winners that were there they didn't know.
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I'm sure there's some others in the room that knew
about it, but we didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now you're a boys varsity basketball coach. Do your kids
know that you have a Heisman trophy?
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (29:00):
They do?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, Yeah, you don't bring it to practice or do
anything like that just to remind them of how great
you were.
Speaker 12 (29:08):
No, they'm do any of that stuff. But you know,
we try to help them understand. I mean, they have
Google and all the different things, and we've been able
to give them some great experiences and other people from
the outside, you know, like Alan Houston when he was
in Tallahassee, he stopped by to talk to the guys.
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I've had Larry Johnson speak to them at one point,
be a Zoom and so just bringing back some old
friends to be able to share wisdom with them. They
so they understand and know do.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You think if if we look back to when you're
playing football and basketball at Florida State, if I if
that was now and you were playing both, would you
have made the same decision to play basketball instead of football?
Speaker 12 (30:00):
Would have been very tough decision. I played basketball and
football because I enjoyed playing both sports. And you know
the way I got into basketball in college was, you know,
Coach Bollen allowed me to go and play basketball my
second year in school. I was reid shirting in football
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that year, and he had promised me when I was
being recruited that I could or go and play that
I could play basketball in college, and so he was
a man to his word allowed me to go out
my second year that way I was. I was able
to establish myself as a basketball player, and so when
I came back from football the next few years, I
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was able to have a place because I had established myself.
So I don't know, it depends on the coach, but
being able to have that that year of establishing myself
as a basketball player was very key for me. And
I don't know if that's the would be the case today,
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but grateful that I came alone at the same time
around that time. But the difference is right now is
guys that are very similar to me as a football player,
they're getting drafted in the first round. Which was my
statement that I made coming out of college that if
I got drafted the first round, then I would play football,
but any other round, you know, I would consider my
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other options.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Austin Rivers sparked the debate of the NBA versus NFL players,
in which side could play an the other sport. And
I know you didn't play in the NFL, but having
played in the NBA, what's your take on this.
Speaker 12 (31:37):
Well, I didn't play in the NFL, but I did
play in the NBA, and that was tough, especially during
my era, because it was very, very physical, which I
didn't mind, you know, playing with the Knicks during that time.
That's the way we practiced, that's the way we played.
But football is different as well. You know, have Us
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has his physicality points, especially during that time where they
didn't protect the quarterback and and so there are a
lot of things that are different today that weren't back
during that time. But you know, I heard the debate
with Austin and everybody was commenting on it. You know,
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when you're in a professional sport, I don't care what
sport that is, it's hard, you know, because everyone's competing,
everyone's doing, you know, putting it in time and effort
to be the best that they can be. And so
when you're talking about, you know, which board or athlete
is the best athlete? Uh, Athletics in general is hard.
(32:47):
I mean, if you try to get in a race car,
you know we can do that. You know that that
takes a certain type of mentality, training all those things,
and people race car drivers are athletes, well get in
the race car. And so until you put yourself in
someone else's shoes, it's hard to say what who is
(33:09):
the best?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Got a Michael Jordan's story for me before we say goodbye?
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Yes, doing our time with the Knicks. You know, there
was no layup rule, and every time someone went to
the basket, there was going to be a challenge in
some form of fashion where it was standing in front
of a guy or going and try to meet him.
And so Michael Jordan this time was going to the
basket and I decided that, hey, may be a good
(33:38):
idea to try to go in block a shot again.
Unfortunately that time I got put on a poster and
with the fat lip. And then I always always ask
how many people have that story? So I'm just grateful
to have great Michael Jordan stories because that meant that
I was. I was there in the building.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
So you got a fat lip and he dunked on you,
Yes you did. But you know what, Michael doesn't have
a heisman.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Charlie.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, Hey, great to talk to you, Good luck with
your team and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12 (34:16):
Thanks, I appreciate you having me on Dan again.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Charlie Ward, Heisman Trophy winner now teaching high school basketball,
coaching high school basketball in Tallahassee.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, it doesn't happen now.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Where you win a Heisman, chances are you're going to
get drafted, probably going to get drafted really high. But
Charlie didn't even get drafted coming out of Florida State.
And it's not like he wasn't playing against good competition.
I just think his style of quarterback play probably wasn't
as readily acceptable at that time. All right, let me
take a break. We'll come back. We'll get to more
(34:50):
phone calls. The great comedian Bill Burr will stop buying
the final hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
More phone calls coming up. Update the poll results seating
if you can from the first two plus hours or
almost two hours.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yet, we got a couple of them up there. Daniel,
We have covering many topics that we have been covering today.
Would you rather have seventeen million dollars in a Super
Bowl ring or fifty four million dollars and no titles.
Right now, sixty two percent of the audience are taking
the fifty four million.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, would you rather have James Jones's career as a
former Packer wide receiver or would you rather have Austin
Rivers career as an NBA play?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Fifty four million dollars is a significant amount of money, yeah,
but as is seventeen million.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, and a Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yes, Paul, that may be the most random pull questions
in show history, that old James Jones, Austin Rivers?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yes, Yes? How many years have we been talking about that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Lastic eat that to death?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
What else do you have we also have up there? Well?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Would you rather have a ten year career in the
NFL or NBA? NBA is running away with that one.
And then after a bad loss in a series, a
player should be openly upset or common measured? Fifty eight
percent of the audience say common measured.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
That interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, I like it if it's a player who's accomplished something,
because then I'm going to buy in that he's okay
with this.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Because he's been there before. He knows what this takes.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yes, fair, Jason Tatum, you've do you understand disappointment and
that that's we've yet to have a title there. So
if he would have said, hey, look now you know
Aaron Rodgers said, you know r E L A X. Okay,
that was November and he had had a Super Bowl,
but they didn't end up with a Super Bowl on
(36:54):
that year when he was telling everybody to relax. By
the way, if you think what's happening in New York,
so you got Yankees playing well, you got the Knicks,
you got the Rangers. There's optimism with the Jets, the Giants.
May I mean the fact that the Rangers in the
Knicks are playing great. The Rangers playing exciting, dramatic games,
(37:17):
and now you got the Knicks on the road playing
in Indiana tonight. It's a pretty exciting time. Okay, who
had the best week? If I said, is there an
individual or a team who had the best week? Paulie,
I'll start with you, and it.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Could be anybody right related to sports?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yes, sports related.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Okay, I'm gonna make my case for this guy.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
He'd been out of the media for a long time,
not involved in the NFL in any way, doesn't do
a lot of interviews. Drew Bledsoe at the Tom Brady Rose,
he was in a position where he was the first
non comedian on stage. He crushed it, and he looked
great doing it. He came off great, and I think
a younger generation got reminded of who he is in
(37:58):
a very entertaining fashion, so much so that if I'm him,
I would consider parlaying this into maybe getting back into
NFL media in some fashion, because he's pretty hot right now.
I know he's satisfied with what he's doing. He's got
a lot of money, but if he's ever got that itch,
the time would be right.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
If or just you, We're going to say Johnny Manziel
because he's dating jose Canseco's daughter, So it seemed like
Johnny's had a pretty good week for a guy who
hasn't done anything for quite some time.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
I'm gonna go Drew.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Okay, by the way, Drew has a two hundred and
fifty one career touchdown pass.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna go Johnny Manziel having a better week
than Drew Bledsoell, have you seen jose Canseiko's daughter. Now, yeah, yeah,
he won another Heisman.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Let's put it that way. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Uh see, you got somebody who had a better week
than Drew Bledsoell or Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Well, because this.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Is a few weeks running together. But I feel like
Anthony Edwards is having a great time. Okay, he's having
he's hitting a new super star, a level of superstardom.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh, by the way, the Phoenix Suns have hired Mike Budenholzer. Yeah, okay,
and then a year from this time, at this time,
Mike Budenholz. Can we just pretape something about God? Can
you believe the Suns moved on from Mike Budenholzer after
a year?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Dan, they only let Mike Budenholzer one year there.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Uh, that's four coaches in four years, Marvin, do you
have somebody had a good year team, a good.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Week, good week. You know what I'm gonna say, show
he Otani. He's been going off. He's had a great
start to the year, and this whole interpreter thing, he's
been kind of, you know, absolved from it. And that's him,
that wasn't me. So I think I'm gonna go with Otani.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That's a good week, but he's still out sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
He's gonna make that up by my tunes, but he's.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Still out sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yeah, but he it seems like the court case or
whatever the investigation is not leaning towards him. It's it's
all in the interpreter's hands.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Yeah, best week, you got to judge it. Dan.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Oh, Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Aunt Edwards feels like this nice coming out party that everybody's.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Then somebody asks him about the comparisons with him and Jordan.
He says he shoots the three better than Mike. Like,
I wouldn't say anything if I'm Anthony Edwards with that
which I left. Yeah, yeah, Mike, hold on, Anthony, let's
go get it. Mike didn't shoot threes because he didn't
need to shoot threes.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Well that's Mike.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
If you said, Mike, I want you to be a
good outside shooter, he would have been a good outside shooter.
It's just you didn't shoot the three like, you know,
you went to the hoop, you got teams in foul trouble,
you know, not shooting you know, threes.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
Yes, Mark Anthony Edwards might be one of the few
players who's as entertaining on the mic as he is
on the field or on the court.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, He's got some fun things to say
and I appreciate that. All right, coming up, final hour,
more phone calls here on this meet Friday. Yes, Todd
is not here and it's merely a coincidence that we
had discussions about dannett relegation, but Todd, I think we'll
be back on Monday.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Eight seven, seven to three.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
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