May 10, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan reacts in shock to the defeat of the Boston Celtics to the Cavaliers by over 20 points. Frank Vogel fired in Phoenix, but will this make a difference for the Suns? The debate continues - could NBA players be able to walk in and play in the NFL?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Coming up, we'll talk to the former Heisman Trophy winner
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We wanted to have Charlie on.
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In fact, we reached down to a couple of former
players who played football and basketball, and Charlie won a Heisman,
didn't play in the NFL. But you know this whole
Austin Rivers debate that now is I mean, Austin Rivers
is getting more attention he ever got when he played.
So the former NBA player and his dad, of course,
(00:55):
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here because he said you could get thirty guys NBA
players and they could play in the NFL, and then exploded.
Everybody had an opinion here and then all of a
sudden you got guys that you didn't think had an opinion,
and then they do. James Jones, who won a Super
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Cavaliers rolled the Celtics last night in Boston. The MAM's
over the Thunder to tie that series at a game
apiece tonight, Nix at the Pacers Game three, and you'll
(02:21):
have the Nuggets at the Timberwolves. And in case you're wondering,
and I know you are, the Knicks are getting how
many points tonight in Indianapolis? Marvin three and a half,
Paulie four and a half, Seatan two and a half?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Seven?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
What what?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
What about og seven without og Ananobe over under Jalen
Brunson tonight.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Paul I'm gonna drop it down a little bit to
thirty two and a.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Half Seatan thirty five and one a half. Boo boo boom,
Let's go, Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
The Nuggets. The Nuggets are getting how many points in
Minneapolis tonight? Marvin four and a half. Bloop bloop bloop.
We're on our game today.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We are.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Over under for ant Man Anthony Edwards. Paulie twenty nine
and a half, Marvin twenty seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Bloo bloop. Okay, did you cheat?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I did not?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You did not on my mom. You swear on your mom.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I swear on bridging Okay, John Llow her too, joker
over under Marvin.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Twenty five and a half, Paulie.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Twenty seven and a half, Seaton fifty seven and a
half twenty eight and a half for Joker, close closer
than me Jamal Murray, who should have been suspended over
under by the way, lame apology on Jamal Murray's part
as well, barely an apology. Come on, you're better than
that seating Jamal Murray over under to night twenty five
(04:01):
and a half, Marvin twenty six and.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
A half, Paul uh twenty seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Twenty and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh oh yeah, we hated yeah yeah he Wolves defense,
yeah yeah, and they've been playing great defense.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
All right, Well, I have a poll question. Play of
the Day, stat of the Day.
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We are a Danette down. Todd is not here today.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yes, I just found out, Yes, just found out.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
All you have to do is turn around. His chair
is empty. Todd is not here today. He's getting a starter.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
This has nothing to.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Do with relegation that we talked about yesterday and the
day before this was planned. Todd asked for the day off.
This has nothing to do with conversation the last two days.
Should we just try it out relegation. It would be
just like all of a sudden, Dylan can come sit
here and hey, look, it's an opportunity that's presented itself.
(05:06):
I'd rather not do this right now because Todd is
a little more sensitive to the relegation talk than you
guys probably realize. Because he said to me privately, which
I said publicly that yes, he said, uh, you know,
I can be a team player in relegation.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And I get that, but people look at me as
the weaklink.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And I go and so what And he goes, I know,
but I'm am I the weeklink and I go, no.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, we all know, Marvin is.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'm okay with that?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Said the worst?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Dan it right?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yes, still, all right, you're one of four. Hey you're
still You're still in the building, You're still in the chair.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
There's a guy at the end of the NBA bench
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yes, you're on the team man. Yeah, but Todd got
a little sensitive about it.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I didn't realize that that serious.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes, And I said, okay, I'll joke with you about this,
but I can't put Dylan in the chair today or
Mario in the chair.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Can't do that. I'd like to you can, but you won't.
Can but I won't.
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Speaker 7 (06:20):
So what's just saying as Todd is affecting the show
in a negative way while not being here?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah, they're getting fired on your day.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Off, speaking of I'm just kidding Todd.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The Suns fired Frank Vogel deep into his coaching tenure
in Phoenix. He was there for a year. Wouldn't you
fire the guy who hired the guy that you just fired?
How do you hire Frank Vogel? And then after a
year ago? Mmmm, you know what made a mistake? How
(06:49):
how much did you vet this process to bring in
Frank Vogel, who's a respected veteran coach, won a title
of course with Lebron in the bubble, a defensive minded
So he's the problem. And if you replace him with
Mike Budenholzer, the former Bucks head coach, then everything's good.
That doesn't help you with Bradley Beal's contract. But here
(07:13):
is a guy that you gave five years thirty one
million dollars to and then after one year you go, Now,
I know this happens when people get married, you know,
like six weeks later they're going, oh, this isn't going
to work out. But Frank Vogel had been in the
NBA for a long time and you had to look
at him and go, Okay, he is going to provide
(07:35):
what you Now, if I'm a coach, do I want
to coach in Phoenix? That's three coaches in three years,
and you've had coaches who turned them down.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, Paully, I definitely want to be the head coach
in Phoenix. You work for a year and then you retire.
It's the best deal. Okay, quick, twenty five mil. It's
like the next twenty years ago, fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, So Frank Vogel got shown the door.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You know, you don't get long.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
That's why when you look at some of these coaches
who have been around at one place for a long
like Eric Spolstra, you deserve to be in the Hall
of Fame just surviving one place. But these coaches and
then it's like, uh, yep, after one year, I think
we've seen enough. What did you see? What did you
not see that you missed that when you hired Frank
(08:24):
Vogel all of a sudden, you go, man, he's tough
on these guys. KD didn't know what his role was.
You're KD. Create your own role, slow your role.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, smart, super unrelated, but kind of related. How did
Marvin Lewis last seventeen years in Cincinnati?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, because the Bengals were cheap and they probably said, Marvin,
if you don't ask for too much money, we'll keep
you in the job.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And he did a pretty good job there. Yes, Sed, the.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Best part of the Sun situation is that they fired
a guy for underperforming with star talent and are likely
going to then replace him with a guy who was
previously fired for underperforming with star talent.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Easy transition.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
I mean, hey, look at what they did in Milwaukee there. Yeah,
but they fired him because he didn't do enough. You
kind of have the press release already written. You just
have to put Mike Budenholzer's name in where Frank Vogel was,
you know, mad libs.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Hey, I'm going to vet this guy to take over
my franchise that's worth a billion dollars and I've just
spent all this money. We got our big three here,
we're ready to go. We traded for KD and we
got Bradley Beal here, we got d book. We're ready
to go until you're not ready to go, because who
you know, the players have to take some accountability. The Lakers,
(09:44):
the Suns. You know, these are guys who got their
coaches fired. They didn't hire themselves, but they brought these
coaches in and then you underperformed. Therefore they are the
ones who are shown the door. Yeah, Martin at Adrian
Griffin's is that list too?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Last of what thirty games?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah? In Milwaukee?
Speaker 9 (10:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And then Doc takes over. You know, felt like at gunpoint, Doc,
you got to take the job.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't know if I want to take the job.
That job could be open too, Doc may go, Oh,
I think I want to go back into TV. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And how attractive is the son's job with a new
owner that seems like he's making rash decisions, some good
ones that the local fans like, But do you know
what they're gonna do with that roster? And now are
you going to take the job before you know what
they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Do with that roster.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh if I'm Mike Budenholzer and I haven't had a
job and I got that job and they're gonna pay
me five million dollars a year, I think I'll roll
with it and go, Okay, are we going to trade
Devin Booker? Because that's really what your option is. Can
you trade Devin Booker? What do you get in return?
Do you want to trade Devin Booker? I mean Bradley
Beal he missed half the season. KD love KD, but
(10:58):
kd's got to take some ownership in this, take some
leadership in this, and I think that's the problem. I
don't think they really had a leader on that team.
D book is great, but you know there's certain players
on certain teams where you go, man, you got to
have that kind of guy like PJ.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Tucker is a guy that is a leader.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Like he he wants to be a leader, he wants
to have some ownership in this to go, Hey, you
know what, follow me some of these teams you just
got guys, Hey, I make fifty million dollars a year,
Who cares, you know?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, do I have to lead.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I have to score, you know, twenty eight a
game that should be good enough to you know, hey
follow me.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yes, Marvin Katie kind of feels like Lebron in a
sense of where when his team doesn't do well, well,
it's not his fault. No, so somebody. He's got a
bunch of head coaches on his resume too.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
All right, So the Cavaliers roll the Celtics, and I'm
watching the game and I can see the Cavaliers are
basically going, you guys gonna stop this little jumper by no, okay, uh,
all right, Donald's going to score. You know, we're kind
of hanging with we're kind of beating you guys. We're
kind of blowing you guys out. And let's say this
(12:12):
was a game in March madness. Because the Celtics were
I think fourteen and a half point thirteen and a
half point favors. This is one of the biggest upsets
that we've had in NBA history playoff history right now,
but you're not surprised. So the Cavaliers twenty four point
(12:32):
win was the largest playoff win by a double digit
underdog since nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
Who stall of a day stant of a Day, stat
of a Day, scant outa day.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
This is the start of the day. Thank you, Melissa.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
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Speaker 2 (12:59):
But we're not surprised.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Imagine when you watch a March Madness game and a
sixteen beats of one, we're surprised.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That's what this was.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You're fourteen and a half point underdog and you they
blow you out by twenty four on your home floor.
But we're not surprised. I don't think anybody goes, God,
what happened to the Celtics. It's like, yeah, Celtics. And
then Jason Tatum after the loss, met with the media.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Has you got success this year? Spoiled?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
You think fans people around you to think that you're
supposed to win every game.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
I mean that's the narrative that you might see on TV,
the idea that we have a super team twofold. Right,
we didn't have a Coach of the Year, we didn't
have MVP, we only had two All stars. So say
we're a super team, but you know we didn't get
rewarded like we are.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Okay, I don't expect you to win every game. I
do expect you to win games on your home floor
and not get blown out by twenty four in the playoffs.
And it goes back to the Celtics are talented. I
don't know who called them a super team. I mean
(14:20):
they're a super max team. Because you're spending three hundred
and fifty million dollars on a couple of guys. I mean,
should you guys be the class of the Eastern Conference? Yes,
by sheer attrition, all of the injuries here, you should
be great. But because your coach wasn't Coach of the Year,
because you weren't MVP. Who was the odds on favor
(14:44):
to be the MVP in the finals, Jason Tatum. That
was twenty four hours ago. The expectation level is there because, well,
for a variety of reasons, you guys are supposed to
be good. You were great during the regular season. You
got a Knicks team that's banged up. You're facing the
Cavaliers who didn't have their starting center Joe l Embiid
(15:05):
was hurt. The Miami Heat they were banged up as well.
I mean, come on, come on, you got the easy
pass that you get in that left lane and just
keep driving all the way to the NBA Finals. I mean,
imagine if the Celtics were in the West, but nobody
said you were a super team. But because you didn't
win MVP, that what our expectations should be lower? Or
(15:27):
your coaches and Coach of the year. You only have
two All Stars? How many All stars of the cams have?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, Seden, I love the idea that we're differentiating between
super teams and supermax teams. The Celtics are a supermax team.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't know that anybody's ever called them a super team.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
No, because every they got dudes with big contracts because
of the way the years fell.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But this is what a six year window here?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like the sample sizes, what six years since Tatum and
Brown have played together.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
This isn't a one year or two year. This is
six years where we've watched this.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
They should like you just and they could win the
title this year, but you don't have these games. You
lost by twenty four to the Caves. How many starting
players on the Caves can people name? And you guys
get embarrassed at home and now you want it to well,
we're not a super you know, we're not a super team.
(16:26):
I didn't be a I went to MVP and you're
a supermax team. Okay, yeah, Marv.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
And now the pressure should be on the Celtics because
they went to Game seven of the Conference finals in
twenty eighteen when Lebron was in Cleveland. And so now
you're thinking to yourself, I have a twenty two year
old and a twenty three year old Tatum and Brown.
They got to cash in. This has to be the year,
especially if the Nuggets lose in the West. You're supposed
to be whoever comes out of the West that's not
the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, Pauline, there is a thing.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I know we've gotta break. But in the postgame I
heard somecom the entire Jason Tatum cuts, there's a bunch
of them, and he's very nonchalant. He's like, it's a
long series. You know we're gonna be fine, and you
know we're ready to keep our focus. And I can't
tell whether I'm bothered by it, because it's like in
my day, everyone to be out Kobe Bryant would be
scowling and yelling or I respect him because he's keeping
(17:17):
his cool. And it's one loss. I vacillate between the two.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's just his personality.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
But do you fake anger? You seem more upset or
concern when your team has an embarrassing loss that they're
supposed to win big.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Then I have to go is he acting or does
he really feel this way? Like I don't want to
go to a press conference? Go does he really believe that?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I have mixed feelings on this one.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, see see my thing with him and Grant.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
I don't watch a ton of Celtics basketball, but when
I do watch it, he seems to have that same
energy press conference energy of measured and calm in game
as he does in the To me, sometimes it looks
like he's going through shooting drills and if he misses
the shot, it's not a big deal because he's just
gonna come down.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
We'll do it again, and.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
It's a There's not a lot of fire there no
on the court, whether or in the press conference after
a loss.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and I think this has been a knock on
the Celtics that you know, Drew Holliday was supposed to
be that guy or maybe is that guy. And I
know it's one loss and we could have recency bias.
But it's just that you lost by twenty four and
you continued firing three pointers.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
There.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It just brings back bad memories if I'm a Celtic fan.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And there is no excuse for you not to get
to the NBA Finals. No excuse, no excuse. But it
feels like they're trying to come up with excuses.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
There.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
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Speaker 2 (19:31):
Time on the clock. Mitchell to the left wing.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Mitchell side steps three ball.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Ball ye.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Perfect free from the left wing.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Donovan Mitchell. He ended with twenty nine average and twenty
nine per game in the playoffs. That's courtesy of the
Cavs Radio Network. You know what's strange interesting about Donovan
Mitchell not a tall guy. I think he might be
six to one, maybe maybe six ' to two. But
you watch him play and it's another guy who just
(20:05):
understands how to play the game. His athleticism is not
off the charts. I mean, he's not Jahn Morant, He's
not ant Man. I mean he's yeah, he's probably in
the upper tier of athleticism. But still he's not a
big guy. But he's he's one of those guys who says,
all right, what do I.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Need to do tonight?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And there is a leadership quality to him and you've
seen that. But with the Celtics, they fall in love
with the three. You know what happens when this is
what I do really well, and then you don't do
that really well, and then you forget to do all
the other things because you're not shooting threes well, And
this is where you would say to your team, at
least I would, hey, guys, let's take it to the hoop.
(20:47):
Let's get some fouls on them, Let's get some baskets,
let's get some pre throws, let's get something instead of
coming down jacket a three, missing a three, but and
then going down again and shooting a three. I know
that that's your game plan, that's your offensive game plan.
But sometimes you have to change your course. Sometimes you
have to go maybe we're not gonna win that way,
(21:10):
and the great teams are able to win in different
ways instead of Hey, we make the threes, we're gonna
beat you.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, what happens if you don't, Oh well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, you're gonna lose to the Cavaliers at home by
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, point, you were talking.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
About Mitchell and athleticism and comparing them like Brunson and others.
It was like a year and a half ago when
he was at Utah and they were shipping everybody out.
All the Knicks fans wanted Donovan mission. Yeah, from the
East coast, rightfully, so they were I'm looking at these
old articles. It was Mitchell, Mitchell, Mitchell, and when they
got Brunson, these stories like we wanted Mitchell and we
got Brunson and he like suffered by comparison, and look
(21:47):
how it's working out.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean Brunson might be a left handed version
of Donovan Mitchell. I mean they're not tall guys, but
they're really smart basketball players. That's not working. Try something else,
But that's what players do. You have to adapt. You
can't be one dimensional. And I know it's one game
for the Celtics. I got a couple of Celtics friends.
They're like, Celtic Pride E's up one game, you know,
(22:10):
blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, but we've seen this
over the last six years where hey, it's only one
game until we get to the NBA Finals and it's
four games like this and you basically got to the
fourth quarter and said we got no shot. Here fans
filing out with six minutes to go, and you're like, damn, hey,
(22:33):
congrats to the Cabs. You played hard, all right, played hard.
Now might be the only game you have, but at
least series going back home, you might get another one.
Here you pick off one or two now it gets
really interesting here. And we've seen how this Celtic team
does when there's a whole lot of pressure on them.
There's no pressure on you. Now you're playing the Cabs
(22:54):
and you lost by twenty four at home. Dan Andrew
and Washington, Hi Andrew, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Good meet Friday Dan and Dan Nets. Sorry Fritzy can't
be here. I do think there's a pole question that
we might have, but you're right, Donovan Mitchell has really
stepped it up in the playoffs. I think he's sort
of in that second tier of spotlight. Also, he's kind
of been around the league for a while. We've seen
him play well in the playoffs, but the teams haven't
went that far. But he has reached one level that
(23:22):
only one other calv has He scored twenty five or
more points in five straight playoff games, which the only
other Cab to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's not Austin Carr, So I'm going to say it's
Lebron James.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Lebron James, right, man.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm what a lucky guess. Come on, Andrew, you're better
than that. That was an easy one.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Uh. Buddha in San Francisco Buddha, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
Nobody BP all the polarizing relegation talk and then no
Friday fritzy business day.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Buddha, this is self relegated. I did not have anything
to do with it. Todd asked for the day off,
and he asked a couple of weeks ago. Had nothing
to do with conversation this week. Just letting you know, Dan,
I proposed, Dan, I proposed to put.
Speaker 12 (24:20):
Down the ConA silence.
Speaker 9 (24:22):
I mean, Dan, he could.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Use a nod.
Speaker 12 (24:23):
I mean a little act of solidarity for his weekend.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 12 (24:27):
This is just a suggestion, but I called Dan day
because I love Adam Silver. But David Stern, Dan, he
must be rolling.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
In his grave.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
All the crying, all the crying Dan, about the officiating,
crying about market sizes, teams just giving up in the
fourth corner.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's just wild, Dan.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
And I absolutely love what Austin.
Speaker 12 (24:50):
Rivers did, man. I mean, he took a topic and
made it an all time barbershop topic. I was getting
cleaned up the other day, Dan, and my barber asked
me about it.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I was like this, this is wild. Yeah, I have
a great way to Buddha. Thank you have a great weekend.
You know, it's one of those that you're not going
to win the argument with. Hey, NBA players could play
in the NFL. Okay, but they're not NFL players. They
could play in the NBA, but they're not. It's one
(25:19):
of those it's not winnable, but it is something that
is fun, you know, to hear these guys argue about
I mean anything to take away from Lebron versus Michael,
I'm fine with that. Here here's another stupid debate now
Austin Rivers and plus what happens sometimes and and this
happened to Kendrick Perkins on the Mothership. You know, he
was a marginal player but played in the NBA, and
(25:41):
he called out Shack and called out Charles and said
that you know, they need to do their homework. They
don't watch basketball. Well, they called him out for basically
being a scrub. Well that's not the point. You can
still be really smart, do your homework, be good at
your job. Just because you didn't play with well, I
didn't play well, but I do know basketball. Kendrick Perkins
(26:05):
is saying Shaq and Charles were lazy and they don't
do their homework and watch basketball has nothing to do
with Kendrick Perkins average five points a game. And now
you have NFL players who are coming after Austin Rivers saying, oh,
you're in the league because of your dad. Yeah, right,
I'm gonna draft you because your dad. Your dad's not
coaching you. New Orleans drafted Austin Rivers. How silly is that?
(26:29):
Or hey, you played eleven seasons but you only average.
He still played eleven seasons in the NBA. And if
you're gonna say who's smarter, Austin Rivers or whoever, the
argument would be James Jones, the Packer wide receiver. Well,
I would say to James, yeah, you run a Super
(26:49):
Bowl winning team. How much money did you make in
your X number of years? Nine years in the NBA?
And look at the amount of money that Austin Rivers
made in his eleven years. What did what did he make?
What Austin Rivers make like forty fifty.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Seven million dollars?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And what did James Jones make with the Packers?
Speaker 5 (27:09):
A lot, lot less?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Checking yes, you want to be a basketball player, they're
handing out, you know, forty and fifty million dollars a year.
You only get, you know, quarterbacks and a couple of
defensive players get that in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Yeah, PAULI James Jones a wide receiver. He played nine
years in the NFL. He made seventeen million dollars. Okay,
that's not even that bad.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
No, But you know it's one of those arguing back
and forth and it comes down to, Okay, what's your resume,
and we're tougher than you like. NFL players are tougher. Okay,
but that doesn't mean there's NBA players who couldn't play
in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Yes, Paul just put this almost perfectly to sum it up.
All right, But NBA players taxes are what NFL players
make total.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
If you were to move quarterbacks from NFL players, they
don't make much money on the average.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, the average salaries like two it's under three million
a year.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, and I'll bet the average NBA career. Once you
get in the NBA, if you play it right and
you deal with being a bench player, you could play
eight years. In your sleep, I would think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
But I don't look at Austin Rivers and say he
has no authority to say this because he wasn't a
good player. You know, he has a point here that
he thinks there are NBA players who could play in
the NFL, not the other way around. And he's right.
How many NFL players can actually play in the NBA.
I'm guessing you could find some NBA players who could
(28:39):
play in the NFL. But if I gave you a week, okay,
that's different than if I gave you a year to
get ready to play.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It really metastasized.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It was like, oh, here's a comment, and then Pat
McAfee just went, what, well, what are you talking about?
Thirty players? Then all of a sudden, now it became
about Austin Rivers credit and now you know, JJ Watt
gets involved in it, like all these NFL players. I
got to defend my turf here. No, it's okay, it's
just a comment.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, people like to do that with You didn't accomplish this,
so you can't talk about it. It happens sometimes on
the NBA Show, and I think Shack kind of gives
it to Barkley a little too harshly. I think it
was a couple of years ago. Shack goes, well, you
can't talk about winning an NBA title, you never won one,
And Barkley goes, give me Kobe Bryant for five years,
and let's talk. Because Barkley was I think a little
sick of it. He goes, if I had prime Kobe
(29:33):
Bryant when I was in my prime? Ho, cow, think
about that for a second.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, that's why I love that.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
The more that this conversation keeps going on, the more
Austin Rivers point, in my opinion, keeps getting proven where
he's basically like, Yeah, to play in the NBA, you
need a lot of skill, and I could take those
same players and put them in the NFL, and really,
the it just keeps coming back to, yeah, but we're tougher.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, but we're tougher. So you got hit once, you
wouldn't even get up.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
It's okay, right, But what he's saying is you need
skill to play in the NBA, Yes, more than you
do in the NFL. And what you need in the
NFL is toughness. Yeah, there's no doubt JJ Watt is
infinitely tougher than Austin Rivers. That's what JJ Watt is saying.
And then he follows it up by saying, by the way,
I could never play in the NBA. Exactly the point, JJ,
that is exactly the point.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yes, we do give you your flowers. You guys are tougher.
You have to be tougher.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
For everybody admits that you guys are infinitely tougher, except
for hockey players.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
They might be like, let's just okay, look, you guys
are way bigger, You're way more athletic, You're way tougher. Exactly,
No one is threatening your manhood here. Okay, it's not
like a gigantic content. Everyone knows you're tougher.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Hockey players are the most talented athletes in sports.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
They do it on skates.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
When they fall, they hit ice, That puck goes one
hundred miles an hour. They have toughness, hand eye coordination, speed, power, endurance.
It's not even close. I mean they have to have
shift changes because it's that intense, that tough, and certainly
in play they're that soft.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah no, how about some endurance guys? Ever heard of it?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Hey work more than ninety seconds at a time, dude?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah yeah, Hey how about us in the NFL the
play last four seconds we were then we've been seconds
at a time.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Ever think of that?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
By the way, let's announce that this is sarcasm. Those
hockey fans will light us up.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
No, I'm on the side of hockey. I just said
they're the most talented athletes that we have in sports.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
We figured them for shift changes.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
We're like, no, no, yeah, what had Oh No, the
hockey community is going to come out. I'm not after seating.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, we're gonna lose. Yeah, we're gonna lose. Our nine
hockey fail including Gary Bettman. Yes, Bo, allright, have an idea.
Let's produce this up, Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Let me take a break. Okay, is it worthy of waiting? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Oh it's it's absolutely okay.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Then go ahead, So you call.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Peyton Manning and Omaha Productions. We'll team up on this.
We'll do a summer TV show and there's nothing going on.
We'll do a nice five on five pick up basketball
NBA players, but it can't be like Durant has to
be third tier against the best five and NFL players
that want to come out and play a pickup game.
And then we'll do a nice flag football even flag
(32:20):
football game of some NFL players and some NBA players.
Put it on TV. Two day events.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, we had Ross Tucker on and look, I respect Ross,
but he basically agreed with Austin Rivers about that NBA
players could play in the NFL before NFL players could
play in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Now, do I think I can get thirty who just
walk into the NFL this upcoming season?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
But if you said, I'm gonna give you a year
to get ready for this, and when I gave him
the example because he said, oh, Patrick Sertan is gonna
shut down Anthony Edwards, I go, okay, hold on, I
got Anthony Edwards out, split out, and he's got a
year to get that feeling of what it's like to
have press coverage. And he's somehow not going to be
(33:08):
able to get away from Patrick's ten. I think that's silly,
that's naive. So ant Man can get away from all
of these players and go through traffic and dunk on
guys in the you know, all the physicality of his game,
but he's somehow going to get locked up by Patrick's ten.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
No, I don't think so. Don't think so.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
But if you said, hey, Tyreek Hill wants to play
for the Cavaliers, all right, come on in, man, he's
really fast. Yeah it can he play, no, but he's
really fast. And most of the guys who play professional
sports played other sports when they were growing up, and
they're great players. But to be an elite player, to
be able to play in the NBA or NFL, you
(33:51):
can't just walk into it. So that part with Austin
Rivers I disagreed with. You give them time. I think
you could find quite a few players who could play
in the UH in the NFL, not the other way around.
Just the fact that you had players who did even
play college football, but they became they were basketball players.
Antonio Gates was a basketball player, Tony Gonzalez was a
(34:16):
basketball player. And then they go, you know what, not
good enough to play in the NBA, Maybe all play
in the NFL and they became Hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
How about we take a break.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
We solved absolutely nothing, but we took up a lot
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Speaker 2 (35:38):
See do we have a pole question? At least for
the first hour. I'm sorry, did you say ah pole questions? Oh? Okay,
I'm sorry? Did you say ahhole question?
Speaker 10 (35:46):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We have many?
Speaker 10 (35:48):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
After a bad loss in a series, a player should
be openly upset or common measured.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Jason Tatum is calm and measured no matter what his personality.
Do I expect him to go Kobe Bryant and you know,
be angry?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't what I like to have a little bit
of a pulse there to say this didn't happen again,
this will not happen. That was disappointing. You know, we
were we lost my twenty four at home. That is
not happening again. Like I would love to hear that.
That's just not in his DNA. So if we're going
(36:26):
to base it off to the Celtics last night, would
I like to hear a little more than just you
know what, we just didn't play well. And no, no,
nobody said you're in a super team and you know
the coach of the year in MVP.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Okay, yes see.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
It's this weird situation where always being common measured is
kind of annoying. It's like that never happened. Like, no,
the dude is great, man, He's always calm, he's always measured.
He always stays like right here, except in sports where
you're like, dude, how about a little something.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That is true, that is calm? Man?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, you do want to have a little bit of
anger there, a little fired, a little past. This means right,
this means something, doesn't it. No, Joe and Orlando, Hi Joe, what's.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
On your mind?
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Dan?
Speaker 13 (37:09):
I would agree with you, But he claims to be
a krobe Bryant predecessor so much and so badly.
Speaker 10 (37:16):
He can't.
Speaker 13 (37:17):
He can't do that, He can't act that way. As
far as when it comes through the Drunks and the Celtics,
why is it that they are delaying.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
To be inevitable?
Speaker 13 (37:25):
Brown and Tatum their best chances and winning a championship
was when Lebron was in the Cleveland Cavali or uniform.
You can even say they're in that playoff peak category,
even the heat with Tyler Herro. Why is it that
organizations take the potential over production.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Well, these are really good players. Tatum and Brown are
really good players. But it you can't just walk on
the floor and go, we're really good players. You have
to prove it every single night, and nights when you're
not shooting, well, what else are you doing? That's what
great players do. I'm not scoring, let me do something else.
(38:05):
And I didn't see that last night. They fall in
love with the three, the three doesn't fall, and then
they fall apart and it's one game. Yes, but are
we going to see this in the NBA Finals? We've
seen it before and it's not just one year. I
like to I love to see greatness. I've been around greatness,
I've watched it, I've covered it, and when you see
(38:28):
the embryonic stages, then you hope that they capitalize on that. Because,
as I've talked about before, the window of opportunity closes
so quickly in sports. That's why when somebody goes, oh,
we're building for the next six years or five years
or four years.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
No, no, no, now, what are we doing now?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
That doesn't mean you do stupid things, but you think
about winning now, Like the Nuggets may not win another title,
Joker may not win another MVP. The window closes that
quickly because Anthony Edwards doesn't go, you know what, I'm
gonna hold off for a little while. I'm gonna let
Joker have his flowers for a couple more years. Shay
gilges the MAVs with like, no, they're hungry, they want
(39:09):
it now, let's go. And the Celtics have had this
window where they probably should have two titles with this group.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
The most dangerous term, or the two most dangerous terms
in sports to me is he has potential and they're young,
they'll be back. Yeah, you just can't do that because
I would have said that about the Thunder with Durant Hart.
I was like, oh, they'll be back two or three
more times in the finals. Jenny never got back.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Just ask Dan Marino Ed and Illinois. Hi, Ed? What's
on your mind today?
Speaker 14 (39:40):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
How are you average right now?
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Ed?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But uh, I'm gonna get better.
Speaker 14 (39:45):
Well, I am ninety years old today and have been
married sixty seven years.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
How about a round of applause and a happy birthday,
Happy birthday, Happy mayor Ridge. Ed.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's that's awesome. Ninety years of age.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Yep.
Speaker 14 (40:05):
Let me let me say something. You guys were talking
about baseball players the other day with with nip nicknames. Yeah,
and you missed one, and I am really surprised about it.
You miss the whip?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
The whip?
Speaker 14 (40:21):
You Blackwell from Cincinnati?
Speaker 10 (40:23):
Redd?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
All right?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Ed? I occasionally, you know, at my advanced age, Ed,
I uh, I miss it, miss him occasionally, But thank you.
Ed's ninety years of age. I miss the whip. And
you know what sharp is a tack? Oh tac Yeah, poem.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
He was born May tenth, nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Dang man, I'd sign up for ninety Oh gosh, would
you sign up for eighty eighty? Healthy eighty completely healthy, Yes,
and then you just fall asleep and you don't wake up.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Like on your birthday. Yeah, like at the start of
you birthday, ort the end of your birthday.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
The end of your birthday.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Okay, great, Yeah, you get to have cake and you
get to have a couple of drinks, maybe cigar, something
like that. You sign up for eighty eighty quietly in
the night. Hey, go wake dad, you're not getting up. Uh,
I had a good run. Whatever happened to those dan
Ets that he used to work for. Oh, I don't know,
(41:27):
still unemployed. You know how I feel about that. Then
you know how I feel about you can't say that
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Coming up, we'll talk to the former Heisman Trophy winner
Charlie Ward, and the great comedian Bill Burr will stop by.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We wanted to have Charlie on.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
In fact, we reached down to a couple of former
players who played football and basketball, and Charlie won a Heisman,
didn't play in the NFL. But you know this whole
Austin Rivers debate that now is I mean, Austin Rivers
is getting more attention he ever got when he played.
So the former NBA player and his dad, of course,
(00:55):
is Doc Rivers, and he has been a focal point
here because he said you could get thirty guys NBA
players and they could play in the NFL, and then exploded.
Everybody had an opinion here and then all of a
sudden you got guys that you didn't think had an opinion,
and then they do. James Jones, who won a Super
Bowl with the Packers, he had something to say about
(01:16):
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Cavaliers rolled the Celtics last night in Boston. The MAM's
over the Thunder to tie that series at a game
apiece tonight, Nix at the Pacers Game three, and you'll
(02:21):
have the Nuggets at the Timberwolves. And in case you're wondering,
and I know you are, the Knicks are getting how
many points tonight in Indianapolis? Marvin three and a half,
Paulie four and a half, Seatan two and a half?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Seven?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
What what?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
What about og seven without og Ananobe over under Jalen
Brunson tonight.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Paul I'm gonna drop it down a little bit to
thirty two and a.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Half Seatan thirty five and one a half. Boo boo boom,
Let's go, Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
The Nuggets. The Nuggets are getting how many points in
Minneapolis tonight? Marvin four and a half. Bloop bloop bloop.
We're on our game today.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We are.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Over under for ant Man Anthony Edwards. Paulie twenty nine
and a half, Marvin twenty seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Bloo bloop. Okay, did you cheat?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I did not?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You did not on my mom. You swear on your mom.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I swear on bridging Okay, John Llow her too, joker
over under Marvin.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Twenty five and a half, Paulie.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Twenty seven and a half, Seaton fifty seven and a
half twenty eight and a half for Joker, close closer
than me Jamal Murray, who should have been suspended over
under by the way, lame apology on Jamal Murray's part
as well, barely an apology. Come on, you're better than
that seating Jamal Murray over under to night twenty five
(04:01):
and a half, Marvin twenty six and.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
A half, Paul uh twenty seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Twenty and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh oh yeah, we hated yeah yeah he Wolves defense,
yeah yeah, and they've been playing great defense.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
All right, Well, I have a poll question. Play of
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We are a Danette down. Todd is not here today.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yes, I just found out, Yes, just found out.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
All you have to do is turn around. His chair
is empty. Todd is not here today. He's getting a starter.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
This has nothing to.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Do with relegation that we talked about yesterday and the
day before this was planned. Todd asked for the day off.
This has nothing to do with conversation the last two days.
Should we just try it out relegation. It would be
just like all of a sudden, Dylan can come sit
here and hey, look, it's an opportunity that's presented itself.
(05:06):
I'd rather not do this right now because Todd is
a little more sensitive to the relegation talk than you
guys probably realize. Because he said to me privately, which
I said publicly that yes, he said, uh, you know,
I can be a team player in relegation.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And I get that, but people look at me as
the weaklink.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And I go and so what And he goes, I know,
but I'm am I the weeklink and I go, no.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, we all know, Marvin is.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'm okay with that?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Said the worst?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Dan it right?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yes, still, all right, you're one of four. Hey you're
still You're still in the building, You're still in the chair.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
There's a guy at the end of the NBA bench
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yes, you're on the team man. Yeah, but Todd got
a little sensitive about it.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I didn't realize that that serious.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes, And I said, okay, I'll joke with you about this,
but I can't put Dylan in the chair today or
Mario in the chair.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Can't do that. I'd like to you can, but you won't.
Can but I won't.
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Speaker 7 (06:20):
So what's just saying as Todd is affecting the show
in a negative way while not being here?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah, they're getting fired on your day.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Off, speaking of I'm just kidding Todd.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The Suns fired Frank Vogel deep into his coaching tenure
in Phoenix. He was there for a year. Wouldn't you
fire the guy who hired the guy that you just fired?
How do you hire Frank Vogel? And then after a
year ago? Mmmm, you know what made a mistake? How
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how much did you vet this process to bring in
Frank Vogel, who's a respected veteran coach, won a title
of course with Lebron in the bubble, a defensive minded
So he's the problem. And if you replace him with
Mike Budenholzer, the former Bucks head coach, then everything's good.
That doesn't help you with Bradley Beal's contract. But here
(07:13):
is a guy that you gave five years thirty one
million dollars to and then after one year you go, Now,
I know this happens when people get married, you know,
like six weeks later they're going, oh, this isn't going
to work out. But Frank Vogel had been in the
NBA for a long time and you had to look
at him and go, Okay, he is going to provide
(07:35):
what you Now, if I'm a coach, do I want
to coach in Phoenix? That's three coaches in three years,
and you've had coaches who turned them down.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, Paully, I definitely want to be the head coach
in Phoenix. You work for a year and then you retire.
It's the best deal. Okay, quick, twenty five mil. It's
like the next twenty years ago, fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, So Frank Vogel got shown the door.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You know, you don't get long.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
That's why when you look at some of these coaches
who have been around at one place for a long
like Eric Spolstra, you deserve to be in the Hall
of Fame just surviving one place. But these coaches and
then it's like, uh, yep, after one year, I think
we've seen enough. What did you see? What did you
not see that you missed that when you hired Frank
(08:24):
Vogel all of a sudden, you go, man, he's tough
on these guys. KD didn't know what his role was.
You're KD. Create your own role, slow your role.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, smart, super unrelated, but kind of related. How did
Marvin Lewis last seventeen years in Cincinnati?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, because the Bengals were cheap and they probably said, Marvin,
if you don't ask for too much money, we'll keep
you in the job.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And he did a pretty good job there. Yes, Sed, the.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Best part of the Sun situation is that they fired
a guy for underperforming with star talent and are likely
going to then replace him with a guy who was
previously fired for underperforming with star talent.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Easy transition.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
I mean, hey, look at what they did in Milwaukee there. Yeah,
but they fired him because he didn't do enough. You
kind of have the press release already written. You just
have to put Mike Budenholzer's name in where Frank Vogel was,
you know, mad libs.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Hey, I'm going to vet this guy to take over
my franchise that's worth a billion dollars and I've just
spent all this money. We got our big three here,
we're ready to go. We traded for KD and we
got Bradley Beal here, we got d book. We're ready
to go until you're not ready to go, because who
you know, the players have to take some accountability. The Lakers,
(09:44):
the Suns. You know, these are guys who got their
coaches fired. They didn't hire themselves, but they brought these
coaches in and then you underperformed. Therefore they are the
ones who are shown the door. Yeah, Martin at Adrian
Griffin's is that list too?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Last of what thirty games?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah? In Milwaukee?
Speaker 9 (10:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And then Doc takes over. You know, felt like at gunpoint, Doc,
you got to take the job.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't know if I want to take the job.
That job could be open too, Doc may go, Oh,
I think I want to go back into TV. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And how attractive is the son's job with a new
owner that seems like he's making rash decisions, some good
ones that the local fans like, But do you know
what they're gonna do with that roster? And now are
you going to take the job before you know what
they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Do with that roster.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh if I'm Mike Budenholzer and I haven't had a
job and I got that job and they're gonna pay
me five million dollars a year, I think I'll roll
with it and go, Okay, are we going to trade
Devin Booker? Because that's really what your option is. Can
you trade Devin Booker? What do you get in return?
Do you want to trade Devin Booker? I mean Bradley
Beal he missed half the season. KD love KD, but
(10:58):
kd's got to take some ownership in this, take some
leadership in this, and I think that's the problem. I
don't think they really had a leader on that team.
D book is great, but you know there's certain players
on certain teams where you go, man, you got to
have that kind of guy like PJ.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Tucker is a guy that is a leader.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Like he he wants to be a leader, he wants
to have some ownership in this to go, Hey, you
know what, follow me some of these teams you just
got guys, Hey, I make fifty million dollars a year,
Who cares, you know?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, do I have to lead.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I have to score, you know, twenty eight a
game that should be good enough to you know, hey
follow me.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yes, Marvin Katie kind of feels like Lebron in a
sense of where when his team doesn't do well, well,
it's not his fault. No, so somebody. He's got a
bunch of head coaches on his resume too.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
All right, So the Cavaliers roll the Celtics, and I'm
watching the game and I can see the Cavaliers are
basically going, you guys gonna stop this little jumper by no, okay, uh,
all right, Donald's going to score. You know, we're kind
of hanging with we're kind of beating you guys. We're
kind of blowing you guys out. And let's say this
(12:12):
was a game in March madness. Because the Celtics were
I think fourteen and a half point thirteen and a
half point favors. This is one of the biggest upsets
that we've had in NBA history playoff history right now,
but you're not surprised. So the Cavaliers twenty four point
(12:32):
win was the largest playoff win by a double digit
underdog since nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
Who stall of a day stant of a Day, stat
of a Day, scant outa day.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
This is the start of the day. Thank you, Melissa.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Stat of today brought to you uh Panini America, the
official trading cards of the program.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But we're not surprised.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Imagine when you watch a March Madness game and a
sixteen beats of one, we're surprised.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That's what this was.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You're fourteen and a half point underdog and you they
blow you out by twenty four on your home floor.
But we're not surprised. I don't think anybody goes, God,
what happened to the Celtics. It's like, yeah, Celtics. And
then Jason Tatum after the loss, met with the media.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Has you got success this year? Spoiled?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
You think fans people around you to think that you're
supposed to win every game.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
I mean that's the narrative that you might see on TV,
the idea that we have a super team twofold. Right,
we didn't have a Coach of the Year, we didn't
have MVP, we only had two All stars. So say
we're a super team, but you know we didn't get
rewarded like we are.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Okay, I don't expect you to win every game. I
do expect you to win games on your home floor
and not get blown out by twenty four in the playoffs.
And it goes back to the Celtics are talented. I
don't know who called them a super team. I mean
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they're a super max team. Because you're spending three hundred
and fifty million dollars on a couple of guys. I mean,
should you guys be the class of the Eastern Conference? Yes,
by sheer attrition, all of the injuries here, you should
be great. But because your coach wasn't Coach of the Year,
because you weren't MVP. Who was the odds on favor
(14:44):
to be the MVP in the finals, Jason Tatum. That
was twenty four hours ago. The expectation level is there because, well,
for a variety of reasons, you guys are supposed to
be good. You were great during the regular season. You
got a Knicks team that's banged up. You're facing the
Cavaliers who didn't have their starting center Joe l Embiid
(15:05):
was hurt. The Miami Heat they were banged up as well.
I mean, come on, come on, you got the easy
pass that you get in that left lane and just
keep driving all the way to the NBA Finals. I mean,
imagine if the Celtics were in the West, but nobody
said you were a super team. But because you didn't
win MVP, that what our expectations should be lower? Or
(15:27):
your coaches and Coach of the year. You only have
two All Stars? How many All stars of the cams have?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, Seden, I love the idea that we're differentiating between
super teams and supermax teams. The Celtics are a supermax team.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't know that anybody's ever called them a super team.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
No, because every they got dudes with big contracts because
of the way the years fell.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But this is what a six year window here?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like the sample sizes, what six years since Tatum and
Brown have played together.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
This isn't a one year or two year. This is
six years where we've watched this.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
They should like you just and they could win the
title this year, but you don't have these games. You
lost by twenty four to the Caves. How many starting
players on the Caves can people name? And you guys
get embarrassed at home and now you want it to well,
we're not a super you know, we're not a super team.
(16:26):
I didn't be a I went to MVP and you're
a supermax team. Okay, yeah, Marv.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
And now the pressure should be on the Celtics because
they went to Game seven of the Conference finals in
twenty eighteen when Lebron was in Cleveland. And so now
you're thinking to yourself, I have a twenty two year
old and a twenty three year old Tatum and Brown.
They got to cash in. This has to be the year,
especially if the Nuggets lose in the West. You're supposed
to be whoever comes out of the West that's not
the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, Pauline, there is a thing.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I know we've gotta break. But in the postgame I
heard somecom the entire Jason Tatum cuts, there's a bunch
of them, and he's very nonchalant. He's like, it's a
long series. You know we're gonna be fine, and you
know we're ready to keep our focus. And I can't
tell whether I'm bothered by it, because it's like in
my day, everyone to be out Kobe Bryant would be
scowling and yelling or I respect him because he's keeping
(17:17):
his cool. And it's one loss. I vacillate between the two.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's just his personality.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
But do you fake anger? You seem more upset or
concern when your team has an embarrassing loss that they're
supposed to win big.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Then I have to go is he acting or does
he really feel this way? Like I don't want to
go to a press conference? Go does he really believe that?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I have mixed feelings on this one.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, see see my thing with him and Grant.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
I don't watch a ton of Celtics basketball, but when
I do watch it, he seems to have that same
energy press conference energy of measured and calm in game
as he does in the To me, sometimes it looks
like he's going through shooting drills and if he misses
the shot, it's not a big deal because he's just
gonna come down.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
We'll do it again, and.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
It's a There's not a lot of fire there no
on the court, whether or in the press conference after
a loss.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and I think this has been a knock on
the Celtics that you know, Drew Holliday was supposed to
be that guy or maybe is that guy. And I
know it's one loss and we could have recency bias.
But it's just that you lost by twenty four and
you continued firing three pointers.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
There.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It just brings back bad memories if I'm a Celtic fan.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And there is no excuse for you not to get
to the NBA Finals. No excuse, no excuse. But it
feels like they're trying to come up with excuses.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
There.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Take a break, We'll get phone calls coming up. Eight
seven to seven, three DP show. We'll settle on our
poll question. Just getting started, Dan and the Dan Nets
without Fritzy Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (19:31):
Time on the clock. Mitchell to the left wing.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Mitchell side steps three ball.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Ball ye.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Perfect free from the left wing.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Donovan Mitchell. He ended with twenty nine average and twenty
nine per game in the playoffs. That's courtesy of the
Cavs Radio Network. You know what's strange interesting about Donovan
Mitchell not a tall guy. I think he might be
six to one, maybe maybe six ' to two. But
you watch him play and it's another guy who just
(20:05):
understands how to play the game. His athleticism is not
off the charts. I mean, he's not Jahn Morant, He's
not ant Man. I mean he's yeah, he's probably in
the upper tier of athleticism. But still he's not a
big guy. But he's he's one of those guys who says,
all right, what do I.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Need to do tonight?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And there is a leadership quality to him and you've
seen that. But with the Celtics, they fall in love
with the three. You know what happens when this is
what I do really well, and then you don't do
that really well, and then you forget to do all
the other things because you're not shooting threes well, And
this is where you would say to your team, at
least I would, hey, guys, let's take it to the hoop.
(20:47):
Let's get some fouls on them, Let's get some baskets,
let's get some pre throws, let's get something instead of
coming down jacket a three, missing a three, but and
then going down again and shooting a three. I know
that that's your game plan, that's your offensive game plan.
But sometimes you have to change your course. Sometimes you
have to go maybe we're not gonna win that way,
(21:10):
and the great teams are able to win in different
ways instead of Hey, we make the threes, we're gonna
beat you.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, what happens if you don't, Oh well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, you're gonna lose to the Cavaliers at home by
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, point, you were talking.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
About Mitchell and athleticism and comparing them like Brunson and others.
It was like a year and a half ago when
he was at Utah and they were shipping everybody out.
All the Knicks fans wanted Donovan mission. Yeah, from the
East coast, rightfully, so they were I'm looking at these
old articles. It was Mitchell, Mitchell, Mitchell, and when they
got Brunson, these stories like we wanted Mitchell and we
got Brunson and he like suffered by comparison, and look
(21:47):
how it's working out.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean Brunson might be a left handed version
of Donovan Mitchell. I mean they're not tall guys, but
they're really smart basketball players. That's not working. Try something else,
But that's what players do. You have to adapt. You
can't be one dimensional. And I know it's one game
for the Celtics. I got a couple of Celtics friends.
They're like, Celtic Pride E's up one game, you know,
(22:10):
blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, but we've seen this
over the last six years where hey, it's only one
game until we get to the NBA Finals and it's
four games like this and you basically got to the
fourth quarter and said we got no shot. Here fans
filing out with six minutes to go, and you're like, damn, hey,
(22:33):
congrats to the Cabs. You played hard, all right, played hard.
Now might be the only game you have, but at
least series going back home, you might get another one.
Here you pick off one or two now it gets
really interesting here. And we've seen how this Celtic team
does when there's a whole lot of pressure on them.
There's no pressure on you. Now you're playing the Cabs
(22:54):
and you lost by twenty four at home. Dan Andrew
and Washington, Hi Andrew, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Good meet Friday Dan and Dan Nets. Sorry Fritzy can't
be here. I do think there's a pole question that
we might have, but you're right, Donovan Mitchell has really
stepped it up in the playoffs. I think he's sort
of in that second tier of spotlight. Also, he's kind
of been around the league for a while. We've seen
him play well in the playoffs, but the teams haven't
went that far. But he has reached one level that
(23:22):
only one other calv has He scored twenty five or
more points in five straight playoff games, which the only
other Cab to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's not Austin Carr, So I'm going to say it's
Lebron James.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Lebron James, right, man.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm what a lucky guess. Come on, Andrew, you're better
than that. That was an easy one.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Uh. Buddha in San Francisco Buddha, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
Nobody BP all the polarizing relegation talk and then no
Friday fritzy business day.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Buddha, this is self relegated. I did not have anything
to do with it. Todd asked for the day off,
and he asked a couple of weeks ago. Had nothing
to do with conversation this week. Just letting you know, Dan,
I proposed, Dan, I proposed to put.
Speaker 12 (24:20):
Down the ConA silence.
Speaker 9 (24:22):
I mean, Dan, he could.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Use a nod.
Speaker 12 (24:23):
I mean a little act of solidarity for his weekend.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 12 (24:27):
This is just a suggestion, but I called Dan day
because I love Adam Silver. But David Stern, Dan, he
must be rolling.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
In his grave.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
All the crying, all the crying Dan, about the officiating,
crying about market sizes, teams just giving up in the
fourth corner.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's just wild, Dan.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
And I absolutely love what Austin.
Speaker 12 (24:50):
Rivers did, man. I mean, he took a topic and
made it an all time barbershop topic. I was getting
cleaned up the other day, Dan, and my barber asked
me about it.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I was like this, this is wild. Yeah, I have
a great way to Buddha. Thank you have a great weekend.
You know, it's one of those that you're not going
to win the argument with. Hey, NBA players could play
in the NFL. Okay, but they're not NFL players. They
could play in the NBA, but they're not. It's one
(25:19):
of those it's not winnable, but it is something that
is fun, you know, to hear these guys argue about
I mean anything to take away from Lebron versus Michael,
I'm fine with that. Here here's another stupid debate now
Austin Rivers and plus what happens sometimes and and this
happened to Kendrick Perkins on the Mothership. You know, he
was a marginal player but played in the NBA, and
(25:41):
he called out Shack and called out Charles and said
that you know, they need to do their homework. They
don't watch basketball. Well, they called him out for basically
being a scrub. Well that's not the point. You can
still be really smart, do your homework, be good at
your job. Just because you didn't play with well, I
didn't play well, but I do know basketball. Kendrick Perkins
(26:05):
is saying Shaq and Charles were lazy and they don't
do their homework and watch basketball has nothing to do
with Kendrick Perkins average five points a game. And now
you have NFL players who are coming after Austin Rivers saying, oh,
you're in the league because of your dad. Yeah, right,
I'm gonna draft you because your dad. Your dad's not
coaching you. New Orleans drafted Austin Rivers. How silly is that?
(26:29):
Or hey, you played eleven seasons but you only average.
He still played eleven seasons in the NBA. And if
you're gonna say who's smarter, Austin Rivers or whoever, the
argument would be James Jones, the Packer wide receiver. Well,
I would say to James, yeah, you run a Super
(26:49):
Bowl winning team. How much money did you make in
your X number of years? Nine years in the NBA?
And look at the amount of money that Austin Rivers
made in his eleven years. What did what did he make?
What Austin Rivers make like forty fifty.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Seven million dollars?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And what did James Jones make with the Packers?
Speaker 5 (27:09):
A lot, lot less?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Checking yes, you want to be a basketball player, they're
handing out, you know, forty and fifty million dollars a year.
You only get, you know, quarterbacks and a couple of
defensive players get that in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Yeah, PAULI James Jones a wide receiver. He played nine
years in the NFL. He made seventeen million dollars. Okay,
that's not even that bad.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
No, But you know it's one of those arguing back
and forth and it comes down to, Okay, what's your resume,
and we're tougher than you like. NFL players are tougher. Okay,
but that doesn't mean there's NBA players who couldn't play
in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Yes, Paul just put this almost perfectly to sum it up.
All right, But NBA players taxes are what NFL players
make total.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
If you were to move quarterbacks from NFL players, they
don't make much money on the average.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, the average salaries like two it's under three million
a year.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, and I'll bet the average NBA career. Once you
get in the NBA, if you play it right and
you deal with being a bench player, you could play
eight years. In your sleep, I would think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
But I don't look at Austin Rivers and say he
has no authority to say this because he wasn't a
good player. You know, he has a point here that
he thinks there are NBA players who could play in
the NFL, not the other way around. And he's right.
How many NFL players can actually play in the NBA.
I'm guessing you could find some NBA players who could
(28:39):
play in the NFL. But if I gave you a week, okay,
that's different than if I gave you a year to
get ready to play.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It really metastasized.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It was like, oh, here's a comment, and then Pat
McAfee just went, what, well, what are you talking about?
Thirty players? Then all of a sudden, now it became
about Austin Rivers credit and now you know, JJ Watt
gets involved in it, like all these NFL players. I
got to defend my turf here. No, it's okay, it's
just a comment.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, people like to do that with You didn't accomplish this,
so you can't talk about it. It happens sometimes on
the NBA Show, and I think Shack kind of gives
it to Barkley a little too harshly. I think it
was a couple of years ago. Shack goes, well, you
can't talk about winning an NBA title, you never won one,
And Barkley goes, give me Kobe Bryant for five years,
and let's talk. Because Barkley was I think a little
sick of it. He goes, if I had prime Kobe
(29:33):
Bryant when I was in my prime? Ho, cow, think
about that for a second.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, that's why I love that.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
The more that this conversation keeps going on, the more
Austin Rivers point, in my opinion, keeps getting proven where
he's basically like, Yeah, to play in the NBA, you
need a lot of skill, and I could take those
same players and put them in the NFL, and really,
the it just keeps coming back to, yeah, but we're tougher.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, but we're tougher. So you got hit once, you
wouldn't even get up.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
It's okay, right, But what he's saying is you need
skill to play in the NBA, Yes, more than you
do in the NFL. And what you need in the
NFL is toughness. Yeah, there's no doubt JJ Watt is
infinitely tougher than Austin Rivers. That's what JJ Watt is saying.
And then he follows it up by saying, by the way,
I could never play in the NBA. Exactly the point, JJ,
that is exactly the point.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yes, we do give you your flowers. You guys are tougher.
You have to be tougher.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
For everybody admits that you guys are infinitely tougher, except
for hockey players.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
They might be like, let's just okay, look, you guys
are way bigger, You're way more athletic, You're way tougher. Exactly,
No one is threatening your manhood here. Okay, it's not
like a gigantic content. Everyone knows you're tougher.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Hockey players are the most talented athletes in sports.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
They do it on skates.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
When they fall, they hit ice, That puck goes one
hundred miles an hour. They have toughness, hand eye coordination, speed, power, endurance.
It's not even close. I mean they have to have
shift changes because it's that intense, that tough, and certainly
in play they're that soft.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah no, how about some endurance guys? Ever heard of it?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Hey work more than ninety seconds at a time, dude?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah yeah, Hey how about us in the NFL the
play last four seconds we were then we've been seconds
at a time.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Ever think of that?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
By the way, let's announce that this is sarcasm. Those
hockey fans will light us up.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
No, I'm on the side of hockey. I just said
they're the most talented athletes that we have in sports.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
We figured them for shift changes.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
We're like, no, no, yeah, what had Oh No, the
hockey community is going to come out. I'm not after seating.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, we're gonna lose. Yeah, we're gonna lose. Our nine
hockey fail including Gary Bettman. Yes, Bo, allright, have an idea.
Let's produce this up, Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Let me take a break. Okay, is it worthy of waiting? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Oh it's it's absolutely okay.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Then go ahead, So you call.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Peyton Manning and Omaha Productions. We'll team up on this.
We'll do a summer TV show and there's nothing going on.
We'll do a nice five on five pick up basketball
NBA players, but it can't be like Durant has to
be third tier against the best five and NFL players
that want to come out and play a pickup game.
And then we'll do a nice flag football even flag
(32:20):
football game of some NFL players and some NBA players.
Put it on TV. Two day events.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, we had Ross Tucker on and look, I respect Ross,
but he basically agreed with Austin Rivers about that NBA
players could play in the NFL before NFL players could
play in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Now, do I think I can get thirty who just
walk into the NFL this upcoming season?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
But if you said, I'm gonna give you a year
to get ready for this, and when I gave him
the example because he said, oh, Patrick Sertan is gonna
shut down Anthony Edwards, I go, okay, hold on, I
got Anthony Edwards out, split out, and he's got a
year to get that feeling of what it's like to
have press coverage. And he's somehow not going to be
(33:08):
able to get away from Patrick's ten. I think that's silly,
that's naive. So ant Man can get away from all
of these players and go through traffic and dunk on
guys in the you know, all the physicality of his game,
but he's somehow going to get locked up by Patrick's ten.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
No, I don't think so. Don't think so.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
But if you said, hey, Tyreek Hill wants to play
for the Cavaliers, all right, come on in, man, he's
really fast. Yeah it can he play, no, but he's
really fast. And most of the guys who play professional
sports played other sports when they were growing up, and
they're great players. But to be an elite player, to
be able to play in the NBA or NFL, you
(33:51):
can't just walk into it. So that part with Austin
Rivers I disagreed with. You give them time. I think
you could find quite a few players who could play
in the UH in the NFL, not the other way around.
Just the fact that you had players who did even
play college football, but they became they were basketball players.
Antonio Gates was a basketball player, Tony Gonzalez was a
(34:16):
basketball player. And then they go, you know what, not
good enough to play in the NBA, Maybe all play
in the NFL and they became Hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
How about we take a break.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
We solved absolutely nothing, but we took up a lot
of time. Play of the Day is up next.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
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Speaker 5 (34:48):
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Speaker 1 (34:51):
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Speaker 10 (34:57):
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over time at least the series three Kids to.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
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Speaker 2 (35:38):
See do we have a pole question? At least for
the first hour. I'm sorry, did you say ah pole questions? Oh? Okay,
I'm sorry? Did you say ahhole question?
Speaker 10 (35:46):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We have many?
Speaker 10 (35:48):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
After a bad loss in a series, a player should
be openly upset or common measured.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Jason Tatum is calm and measured no matter what his personality.
Do I expect him to go Kobe Bryant and you know,
be angry?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't what I like to have a little bit
of a pulse there to say this didn't happen again,
this will not happen. That was disappointing. You know, we
were we lost my twenty four at home. That is
not happening again. Like I would love to hear that.
That's just not in his DNA. So if we're going
(36:26):
to base it off to the Celtics last night, would
I like to hear a little more than just you
know what, we just didn't play well. And no, no,
nobody said you're in a super team and you know
the coach of the year in MVP.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Okay, yes see.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
It's this weird situation where always being common measured is
kind of annoying. It's like that never happened. Like, no,
the dude is great, man, He's always calm, he's always measured.
He always stays like right here, except in sports where
you're like, dude, how about a little something.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That is true, that is calm? Man?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, you do want to have a little bit of
anger there, a little fired, a little past. This means right,
this means something, doesn't it. No, Joe and Orlando, Hi Joe, what's.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
On your mind?
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Dan?
Speaker 13 (37:09):
I would agree with you, But he claims to be
a krobe Bryant predecessor so much and so badly.
Speaker 10 (37:16):
He can't.
Speaker 13 (37:17):
He can't do that, He can't act that way. As
far as when it comes through the Drunks and the Celtics,
why is it that they are delaying.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
To be inevitable?
Speaker 13 (37:25):
Brown and Tatum their best chances and winning a championship
was when Lebron was in the Cleveland Cavali or uniform.
You can even say they're in that playoff peak category,
even the heat with Tyler Herro. Why is it that
organizations take the potential over production.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Well, these are really good players. Tatum and Brown are
really good players. But it you can't just walk on
the floor and go, we're really good players. You have
to prove it every single night, and nights when you're
not shooting, well, what else are you doing? That's what
great players do. I'm not scoring, let me do something else.
(38:05):
And I didn't see that last night. They fall in
love with the three, the three doesn't fall, and then
they fall apart and it's one game. Yes, but are
we going to see this in the NBA Finals? We've
seen it before and it's not just one year. I
like to I love to see greatness. I've been around greatness,
I've watched it, I've covered it, and when you see
(38:28):
the embryonic stages, then you hope that they capitalize on that. Because,
as I've talked about before, the window of opportunity closes
so quickly in sports. That's why when somebody goes, oh,
we're building for the next six years or five years
or four years.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
No, no, no, now, what are we doing now?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
That doesn't mean you do stupid things, but you think
about winning now, Like the Nuggets may not win another title,
Joker may not win another MVP. The window closes that
quickly because Anthony Edwards doesn't go, you know what, I'm
gonna hold off for a little while. I'm gonna let
Joker have his flowers for a couple more years. Shay
gilges the MAVs with like, no, they're hungry, they want
(39:09):
it now, let's go. And the Celtics have had this
window where they probably should have two titles with this group.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
The most dangerous term, or the two most dangerous terms
in sports to me is he has potential and they're young,
they'll be back. Yeah, you just can't do that because
I would have said that about the Thunder with Durant Hart.
I was like, oh, they'll be back two or three
more times in the finals. Jenny never got back.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Just ask Dan Marino Ed and Illinois. Hi, Ed? What's
on your mind today?
Speaker 14 (39:40):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
How are you average right now?
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Ed?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But uh, I'm gonna get better.
Speaker 14 (39:45):
Well, I am ninety years old today and have been
married sixty seven years.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
How about a round of applause and a happy birthday,
Happy birthday, Happy mayor Ridge. Ed.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's that's awesome. Ninety years of age.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Yep.
Speaker 14 (40:05):
Let me let me say something. You guys were talking
about baseball players the other day with with nip nicknames. Yeah,
and you missed one, and I am really surprised about it.
You miss the whip?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
The whip?
Speaker 14 (40:21):
You Blackwell from Cincinnati?
Speaker 10 (40:23):
Redd?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
All right?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Ed? I occasionally, you know, at my advanced age, Ed,
I uh, I miss it, miss him occasionally, But thank you.
Ed's ninety years of age. I miss the whip. And
you know what sharp is a tack? Oh tac Yeah, poem.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
He was born May tenth, nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Dang man, I'd sign up for ninety Oh gosh, would
you sign up for eighty eighty? Healthy eighty completely healthy, Yes,
and then you just fall asleep and you don't wake up.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Like on your birthday. Yeah, like at the start of
you birthday, ort the end of your birthday.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
The end of your birthday.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Okay, great, Yeah, you get to have cake and you
get to have a couple of drinks, maybe cigar, something
like that. You sign up for eighty eighty quietly in
the night. Hey, go wake dad, you're not getting up. Uh,
I had a good run. Whatever happened to those dan
Ets that he used to work for. Oh, I don't know,
(41:27):
still unemployed. You know how I feel about that. Then
you know how I feel about you can't say that
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