May 10, 2024 • 52 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP talks to Sirius XM NBA Radio Host Frank Isola about the Suns firing Frank Vogel. Will a change at Head Coach make much of a difference in Phoenix? Heisman Trophy Winner and Former Knicks Guard Charlie Ward weighs in on the NBA vs. NFL players debate. And Bill Burr explains why he would have passed on the Tom Brady roast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Had nothing to do with the past two days talking
about relegation with the dan euts. The timing is not
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Seaton Pole question for hour two is.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What well for hour one, we threw up a couple
of them there and that literally threw up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We put some of them, oh right there we have.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Would you rather have a ten year career as a
solid player in the NFL or NBA. Right now, seventy
two percent of the audience have the NBA.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, of course you're gonna make a whole lot more money.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, by leaps and bounds. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
What's funny about that pole question is even if you
like the football a lot more, you'd still probably take
the NBA because of the health and the money and
the guaranteed contract. Sure, yeah, you cannot even be you
could be a casual basketball person.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You probably only if you said I was winning a
Super Bowl would I entertain that to be a football player.
If I take away, you're not going to play a
more que position. You're gonna be a linebacker or you're
going to be, you know, a role player in the NBA,
gonna make a whole lot more money. Unless you say, hey,
you're going to be a linebacker on a super Bowl
(02:04):
winning team. Okay, maybe, but you know, just look at
what Austin Rivers made in his career. It still made
you know, over fifty million dollars and probably no serious injuries. Yeah. See,
so I think I'm going to change that pull question up.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's a different version of a similar concept, but this
one was on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
From Jimmy I think, right, Jimmy, would you.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Rather have seventeen million dollars and a Super Bowl ring
or fifty million and no Championship ring?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I guess it depends on the position that I play, Like,
did I really contribute? Are they going to remember me?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Would you rather have seventeen million dollars and a Super
Bowl ring? Or what is it? Fifty four million? He
made something like a fifty four million dollars and no ring.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So James Jones got into this conversation about Austin Rivers,
the NBA and the NFL. James Jones played wide receiver
the Packers. He won a super Bowl, but he may
considerably less money than Austin Rivers. I mean, am I
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going to pass up fifty million dollars? Did you have
to be reminded that James Jones played in the Super
Bowl with the Packers? Because I did. Yeah, You're like, oh, okay, yeah,
he won a super Bowl. That's not necessarily a legacy play. No,
because neither one of them have a No. I mean,
they're not Hall of Fame careers.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But every time they the Green Bay brings back players
to celebrate that ring, he gets the call.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Okay, so you get a free trip to Green Bay. No,
but you have you get to stay by the airport
at the hotel there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
You know what the I think, I'm just I don't
know that I would necessarily agree with this, but there
is a certain amount of value that you really can't put,
like a monetary value on winning and how awesome that is,
how much fun it is to be like, you know what,
We're gonna start this season, work our asses off, and
at the end of it we won and we were
the best team.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That there is a value to that.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yes, boy, all right, I'll throw out a different conbo Okay,
I think you're gonna love it. You could have the
career and earnings of Julian Edelman of the Patriots or
Bradley Beal, the basketball player for the Sons.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bradley Beal's probably made two hundred million dollars more than
Julian night.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think you're correct. I have Julian Edelman making about
just under fifty million, and Bradley Beal makes.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That in eight months. He makes that in one year.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Correct, Let's say he made.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
That in injured games this year, in games he didn't
play this year.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, just about the Okay, one, would you if I
said you're gonna make two hundred and fifty million and
no titles and you're gonna do it in obscurity, nobody's
gonna remember you? Or Edelman, who had one of the
best postseason careers in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
PAULI, I can't believe I'm saying this, and I don't
know if I'm lying to myself, but I'm taking Julian
Edeman's oak Seaton.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You taking Edelman or you're taking Bradley Beal for two
one hundred million dollars more.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I no, I would take Edelman because I understand that
two hundred and fifty million dollars is a lot of money,
but fifty something, what is it?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
How much to be? Fifty?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Fifty million dollars is also an unbelievable amount of money.
And most of my career was spent being awesome or
on an awesome team.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hell yeah, okay, that Marvin, what about you? I can't
believe I'm saying this. I'm with the other guys.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
I'm going Julian Edelman.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And also because of the money that you can make
post career.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, okay, but he's got a Bradley Beal's got a
big head start on the amount of money that Julian
Edlan is gonna make.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Edelman could make money post career. Bradley Beal could just
look at his money to his career.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, I'm taking Bradley Beal at two hundred and fifty
million dollars on it. Yes, I okay. I get to
shoot as much as I want I get. Yeah, I
mean that's all I care about. I get to score
and I'm gonna have two hundred and fifty million dollars.
I mean, I mean it's nice. I'll congratulate you on
your titles while I'm on my yacht. We might have
(06:07):
been lying. I think you guys were lying.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I don't think that we were. Fifty four million dollars
is an unbelievable amount of money.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Uh, okay, it is.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me ask a journalist, Frank I Sool. He is
covering the NBA, covering the Knicks Pacers contributor to Around
the Horn. Pardon the interruption I had, Frank, If I
said you could have Bradley Beal's career and money or
Julian Edelman's career, yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
I'd probably take Dan Patrick's career in money. But in
this case and your crew is nuts, I'm taking Bradley
Beal number one. Think about the money so clearly, do
they have a significant other in their life, A wife,
a girlfriend, parents, They would tell them, are you nuts?
Take the two hundred and fifty. It's generational money. Who
cares about you? Want a championship? I get it. I'd
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love to play with Tom Brady too. I'm taking the money.
I agree with you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay where you stand on this whole. Austin Rivers discussion
that he had with Pat McAfee on how many players
in the NBA do you think if I gave them
a year could play in the NFL?
Speaker 8 (07:12):
I think you could find a few that could do it.
I mean Paulo ben Caro and Lebron James couldn't play
tight end. Tight End would seem to be the one
position that you can get guys to play, and maybe
defensive back as well. Like to me, making that transition
from being an NBA player to maybe playing football is
more realistic than thinking they're going to play hockey, tennis, golf, soccer.
(07:33):
I mean, there are unique skill sets that you need
for that and that's not to say NFL players aren't skilled,
But you don't think all these great athletes we have
in the NBA, not one of them could be a
defensive back, Not one of them could be a tight end.
Who knows Jason Tatum could be the next Harold Carmaker.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Who knows he's having a hard time being the original
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
True?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Okay, explain this to me. We have a large sample
size with the Celtics, and I know it's Recncy bias
after last night, but they got blown out by twenty
four at home by an under man Cleveland team. I
know it's one game, but it feels like it's more
than that because it goes back to what we've seen
where they love the three, they live and die by it,
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and they don't adjust when they don't make it. I agree.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
I'm texting my radio partner Brian Scalabrini, because I'm always
killing them about the Celtics. I said, your team is
so soft. They didn't respond, which told me a lot.
I look at the Eastern Conference. It's like one tough
team mentally and physically, especially now that Miami's gone, and
that's the New York Knicks. I mean, if you're the
Boston Celtics, at what point you know, if they're just
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launching up threes, they're not getting it done on defense.
They don't play with any emotion. The buildings seem to
be dead, and haven't they learned their lesson? They lost
game one in the second round last year to Philadelphia.
That was without Embiid. They lost games one and two
at home to Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. This year,
they lost game two to Miami. That to me was
a surprise. It's not so much about the result anybody
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could lose. It was, to your point, more about the performance.
And there's such a big team. I don't understand why
they don't try to exploit mismatches, throw the ball into
the post, whether it's Drew Holliday on Darius Garlander, Jason
Tatum on Max Strus, try.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
To do something like that.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
The way that they were shooting last night, where it's
all about three pointers, and the way that they were defending,
it's hard to see them winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Also, I don't know where you stand with athletes postgame
press conferences. Jason Tatum is even keel. Now we might
compliment that and say, hey, you know what, doesn't get
too high too low. You know, I like to have
that passion. I'd like when it bothers you, it hurts you,
it angers you, you're fired up. I'd love for Jason
Tatum to just say this won't happen again. I won't
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allow this to happen again.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
I kind of agree with you, and I think you
see that on the court as well, because I was
saying to Brian Scalabrina, who played with Jason Kidd in
New Jersey and then got to play with Kevin Garnett
and Boston, like those guys would not settle for something
like that, And Jason Tatum after the game saying, everyone
specs us to win every game by a blowout. No, no,
we don't, but we expect better effort from you guys.
(10:06):
Especially TEENA won sixty four games during the regular season,
and they have a chance to put you know, Cleveland
would have been on the ropes. And remember Cleveland in
the first round. They went to Orlando three times and
they didn't win a game in Orlando. So they came
into the you know, the Boston Garden, the ghosts of
you know, Bill Russell and Larry Bird and Paul Pierce,
and they took them out pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Talking to frank I Sola of course around the horn
on the Mothership part in the interruption covering the NBA Playoffs,
trying to figure out what Denver team shows up tonight.
What do you expect I.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Would think, you know, there's been a lot of a
lot of talk about both Nikola Jokic, you know what's
happened to him in the series, but especially Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray's got to have a better game, especially since
he got he caught a lucky break. He should have
been ejected from Game two. He should be suspended for
Game three. There has been a little bit more time
off now between games two and three. We're going to
see what type of team Denver is, because now you're
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on the road, you at least have to win game
three to really have a realistic chance of winning that building.
Tonight's going to be fired up for Minnesota. I don't
think they've played at home in about fifteen days or so.
You know, they're six and zero in the playoffs, and
four of those wins have come on the road against
Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, the aforementioned Bradley Beal, and of
course what they did to the defending champs. I would
think that you're going to see a different performance by Denver.
(11:22):
Would The problem that Denver has is that Minnesota has
guys that could guard Nicole Jokich, including Nasriedi even Carl
Anthony Towns a bit. And then they got Rudy Gobert
hanging around the rim getting ready to clean everything up.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I said this the other day, caught a little heat,
but I stand by it. I don't think the Joker
wins another MVP and after this year, yes, but it's
nothing against him. In fact, like Lebron has it won
one in over a decade. I get at one point
it stopped with Michael and they gave it to Charles
and gave it to Karl Malone. Like the media moves on,
(11:54):
you know, they can't wait for Anthony Edwards, John Morant
coming back. Maybe it's Lucas like it feels like the
Joker had his run here and it might be the
ultimate compliment of he probably can't out Joker himself.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, you know.
I you know, I have a vote. Last year I
voted for himb This year, I voted for Nicola Joaki
if someone that stands out the most for me, and
I don't remember having a vote back then was the
year that Karmelone won it instead of Michael Jordan, And
it did really feel as if the media was saying,
Karmelone's been so good for so long, the Utah Jazz
had been this really good team. It was almost like
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a lifetime achievement MVP for karmel And I think there's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Of truth to that.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
I think I thought it was going to be a
little bit closer this year, especially with the fact that
you know, Oklahoma City had the great year. Oklahoma City
came out of nowhere. But when you do look at
a lot of the numbers, including how the Denver Nuggets
are on the court, and when Jokic is there and
when he's on the bench, it's it's pretty glaring. But
I think there's some truth that. I also think he's
the kind of guy he doesn't want to get wrapped
(12:58):
up and obviously he thought the debate last year you
could tell he was uncomfortable with that. I thought at
times it got a little distasteful. The whole thing with
him and embeed. But I'll tell you what, he'll catch
a lot of heat if they get knocked out pretty
quickly in this series, just like Embiid caught some heat
last year for getting bounced out in the second round.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
All right, Explain to me if you're vetting Frank Vogel
that you see or don't see something in one year
that you basically say, you know what, we made a
mistake giving you a five year deal, you're the reason
to blame for the Phoenix Suns and you fire him.
How does that happen after one year?
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (13:35):
To me, it kind of says that they don't know
what they're doing in Phoenix from this standpoint, because when
there was talk about them getting Bradley bal And you
looked at their roster and you're thinking, well, well, why
did they really need him for? You have Devin Booker,
Kevin Durant. You're going to give up all these assets
to get a guy that has been hurt a lot
over the last few years, hasn't won a lot of games.
And you look at the way the roster was constructed
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and to say, is Frank Vogel the perfect coach for that? Team,
I would have no idea, but to put it all
on him doesn't make sense. And Frank bol what was
it a five year, thirty one million dollar contract he's
walking away with. But Phoenix is in a bad spot because,
come on, Dan, look look at what's going on in
the NBA. You know, Steph didn't even make the playoffs.
Lebron Anthony Davis are out, Kawhi and the Clippers are out,
Damian Lowd and Giannis are out, and obviously Kevin Durant
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and the Phoenix Suns are at There does seem to
be a shift happening in the NBA with younger teams
and having what Minnesota like, I would rather have Jaden
McDaniels and you know, nas reed than have Bradley Beal
on my team, Like, oh, I don't really, I.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Don't really need that.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
So I think I think the smarter teams are looking
to fill out their roster with you know, hard playing
role players.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Look at the New York Knicks.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
They got the one star on the team in Jalen Brunson,
who's had this breakout year, but those other guys like
Dante DiVincenzo, Josh Hart Isaiah Hartenstein are just physically and
mentally tough, hard playing guys.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Speaking of the next series, how surprised were you that
Rick Carlisle wasn't fined for his small market comments talking
about the NBA.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Yeah, I really was. I think David Stern definitely with him.
I like what Rick Carlisle did. I think it was
smart from this standpoint. He's not going to sit there
after the game and start calling out Miles Turner for
not getting rebounds and Tyre's Halliburn for being terrible in
Game one. In Game two, he didn't really do much
in the fourth quarter, And I think he knows that
everything is about tonight, everything's about Game three. So I've
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been to play at Nick Pacer playoff games in Indiana before.
The crowd is going to be absolutely on fire. They're
playing for their season tonight. I think it was the
right tone of set, putting all the pressure on him,
having everybody talk about the officials, and you know this people,
I've been in Portland for playoff games before. In the
first bad call that goes against the Portland Trailblazers, they start,
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you know, chanting these ref stink. All the small market
teams are convinced that the league has it out for them.
So I think Rick Carla was playing to his audience,
and I think you'll see the reaction tonight in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I expect them to win, but they should have
won one of these two games New Year, right, you
know that. So I think that Rick has taking the
pressure off his team by putting it on himself and
the referees. Is this sustainable with what the Knicks are
doing given Tibbs rotation is maybe six players and Og
is not going to play in Game three? Is it?
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Yeah? Well, yeah, the problem is the problem is that
he's playing his backups right now because these are the
guys that were, you know, filling in for guys that
got hurt. So now you start going to your you know,
third string guys, and they're not going to.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Be as good.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
You know.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
It's funny. We had talked about the idea of sitting
Jalen Brunson this before we knew that oj Anobi wouldn't play,
sitting him for a game, and there is precedence. If
you go back to two thousand and one, Philadelphia made
the Eastern Conference Finals against Milwaukee. The series was tied
at one one and Iverson was taking such a pounding
he was hurting. They actually sat him out in Game
three on the road in Milwaukee. That's a gutsy move.
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And Philadelphia lost that game, so they were down to
one in the series. Iverson came back to play Game four,
they won that. They eventually go on to win the series.
If you're the Knicks, well, I don't know if you
ever want to punt a playoff game, but if there
was ever a time to maybe rest everybody, especially with
og Anobi, just play the other guys and almost have
like open tryouts for who's going to be our new sixth, seventh,
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and eighth the rest of the series.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, but if you can take one nick off celebrity
row and maybe get some minutes out of him, who
you're taking.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
That's a good one. That's a good one. I'd probably say,
because he looks like he's fit. It would be Stephan Marbury, who,
by the way, never won a playoff series. Never want
a playoff game in a nick uniform. I mean, I
know he's getting treated like he's a conquering hero there.
It probably be him because he looks like he's in
the most shape. He's in the best shape by.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It feels like Mellow can get about ten shots off though,
and you know maybe in about Carmelo will say he
wants to start. He doesn't want to come off the best.
That would be a problem. Have a great weekend, Frank,
Thanks for joining us, Dan, I'll see you guys. Frank
I soolim covering the NBA with a round the horn
and pardon the eruption, We'll take a break. Charlie Ward,
former Heisman winner, get his thoughts not only on his
(18:04):
former team, the Knicks, and also playing football or playing basketball.
He won the Heisman but played in the NBA, had
a long career. He'll join us coming up in a
little bit. The great comedian Bill Burr will stop by
as well. Take a break back after this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2 (19:03):
According to DraftKings, the Knicks are getting seven tonight over
under Jalen Brunson thirty five and a half and the
Nuggets getting four and a half against the Timberwolf. Silver
under for ant Man is twenty seven and a half.
Joker is twenty eight and a half. A couple of
phone calls, then we'll talk to the former Heisman Trophy
winner Charlie Ward, Matt and Riverside. I'm Matt, what do
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you have for me today?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Happy me prior to you and DP and the boy,
thanks for calling back. I called in yesterday. I forgot
the way in six one two fifteen, So shout out
to young Marvin Prince upfront for keeping the boys updated
on the language of the culture. But the reason why
I was calling is I didn't think relegation was going
to lead to a public roasting, so I thought it
(19:48):
would be a great idea to call back to send
apology to the back left but yeah, anyway, so I
do think that the NBA does have a problem crowning
at MVP three second of years. I think the last time, Paul,
you might have to check this live time that happened
with Wade board Bird eighty four to eighty seven. But
since then we have a slew of back to back
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champion MVPs that haven't got crowned. Enjoyed me, have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you, Matt. Matt's the one who brought up relegation
and Fritzy not here today. It's a mere coincidence that
is taking the brunt of his relegation talk. Yes he has,
Yes he has. Robin Orlando, Hi, Rob, welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Two quick things for you. First Off, I'm going to
a part of the bet payoff that I got to
give to Marvin from the Orlando Magic. Yeah, I'm making
it to the Eastern Conference finals. So I'll listen to him.
Let me know how he wants me to do it,
what type of pause? And also, I need to have
a little rebuttal for Mark and sat Glay. Yesterday a
little late in the show drops a hammer questioning me
(20:52):
be in the sense of the three d DC dojo.
I just have to, you know, if I have to
go into more detail on it. Two time divorced with kids,
dead dad, three dead dogs, and my third dead dog
happened at the hands of my second wife, second ex wife,
who let him out, and he had a tragic for
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the July firework accident. So I just you know, I mean, listen,
this is solid stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't take this lightly, No damn rom I feel
bad for you.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
It's like an entire country album.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That is DDC across the board. Dead Dad's divorced dad,
dead dog, Rob's done it all. By the way, Luca
goes to the press conference last night and he hears something.
Have you guys, did you guys see this? Oh dear? Okay,
so here's Luca. No, no, I'm just going to touch on
(21:48):
it here. Okay, somebody's touching on it. Okay, So here here.
So lucas there and you could hear the PA over head,
so there's noise in the PA system now that goes
out to the arena, but also in the press room.
So Luca's there after the wind and he hears this,
(22:10):
we are open shots. So I'm just how sharing the
ball and our energy was great? What do you think,
uh okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Moving on, what was that?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You hear a woman moaning and Lucas stops and he's
looking up like what is this? And uh I don't
know if it was explained too many one by anyone,
but it certainly was play one more time here. We
were open shots. So I'm just how sharing the ball
and our energy was great.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Uh? Okay, okay, it's around the horning blue blue hamp Paul.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
First of all, I can't believe Tod's not here for this.
Oh my god, this is like his Super Bowl. There's
mixed reports on where the audio came from. It could
either be a laptop where someone didn't realize their audio
is on in the back or another room, or someone
on a laptop or phone had like Bluetooth connected to
the audio system and it went out over the overhead.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Pa.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, here's a quick question for the room.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
If you were the employee that did this, Let's say
it was an employee that did this, you rat yourself
out or hope you never get caught.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I hope I don't get cat I hope I don't
kid act like you didn't know that. You know, you
could have caused this. Imagine you win the Heisman, you
play quarterback, you play quarterback at Florida State, and you
decide that you're going to play in the NBA and
not the NFL. That's what happened with Charlie Wurtz. So
you know, Kyler Murray wins the Heisman and he would
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have been a top ten pick in baseball, he's the
number one pick in football, decides she's going to play football.
So Charlie Ward, back in the early nineties, he won
the Heisman at Florida State and then went into the NBA,
played for the Knicks, played in the NBA finals, had
a good career over a decade, but didn't play in
the NFL. We thought it'd be fun to reach out
to Charlie get his thoughts on this Austin Rivers topic
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of NBA and NFL. But Charlie Ward, the former Heisman
Trophy winner, now he's a high school basketball coach the
boys varsity basketball at Florida High in Tallahassee. Charlie, thanks
for joining us on the program. What do you think?
What do you see when you look at this Knixt team?
Speaker 10 (24:36):
I see a team that has built very similar to
their coach. There are gritty, prepared, hart working, they find
a way to outlast. They're piecing it together right now.
But I see our group that is connected in a
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lot of ways of stepping up. But just like any team,
you gotta have a go to guy, and they have
that in Jalen Brutson, so that that gives you a
chance every night, especially in close games.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What do you remember about the NBA Finals nineteen ninety
nine when you guys face the Spurs and you didn't
have Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
Well, we also didn't have Larry Johnson for a good
portion of that series as well, which hurt our depth,
especially against the Spurs who had a bigger, big, bigger lineup.
But I just the experience one of beating Indiana, which
was a great in the East content Finals. It was
a great atmosphere, very similar to what we're seeing now
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in the Garden and that series. We always at some
point you play your best game, and your best game
is not good enough. You know it's gonna be a
long series, and so that that was something, you know,
was disheartening because we just didn't have seemed like we
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just didn't have enough in the way of you know
depth to be able to overcome what the Spurs brought.
And of course they had Tim Duncan who was young
at that time and he was very dominant and it
was tough for us to stop him. So of course
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we had a plan. But they made some shots as well,
big time shots when they needed them. Even Avery Johnson
made a shot in the corner I think it was
in game four or five to help them win a game,
which you know that was not his mo but he
stepped up and made that big shot to propel them
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in the garden.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Talking to Charlie Ward, former Heisman Trophy winner in Florida State,
what was it like being in the room Reggie Bush
got his Heisman back?
Speaker 10 (27:04):
It was a really, really great moment. I was shocked
when they mentioned that they were going to give it back.
We have been there has been a campaign within the room,
Heisman room meetings before this moment, and we were just
grateful that, you know, they made the right decision to
do it for him and you know, kind of break
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whatever barriers there were for him not having it, but
just happy for him and his family, you know, being
able to see his wife and him sharing that this
is the first time his kids, We're getting opportunity to
see the Heisman, and those moments you can't you know,
put into you know, words, and so I'm just grateful
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that he had this opportunity to be able to share
that with his kids and his family.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But you guys were just going to a breakfast and
probably signing some memorabilia. Next thing you know, there's Reggie
and there's the Heisman.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
Yes, it was pretty shocking in the sense, I guess
I'll use that word again because we were there for
breakfast and we were getting ready to have a meeting,
and like ten minutes before the announcement came, Mike Comfort
came around and said, Hey, we got this article that's
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getting ready to go out about Reggie receiving this heusmand
back and we're gonna give it to him right now,
and he's on his way. So that was I was happy.
But they did a great job of keeping it concealed
from because no one in the room knew. Well, I
think the Heisman winners that were there they didn't know.
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I'm sure there's some others in the room that knew
about it, but we didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now, you're a boys varsity basketball coach. Do your kids
know that you have a Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They do, Okay, Yeah, you don't bring it to practice
or do anything like that just to remind them of
how great you were.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
No, they'm do any of that stuff. But you know,
we try to help them understand. I mean, they have
Google and all the different things, and we've been able
to give them some great experiences and other people from
the outside, you know, like Alan Houston when he was
in Tallahassee, he stopped by to talk to the guys.
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I've had Larry Johnson speak to them at one point,
be a Zoom and so just bringing back some old
friends to be able to share wisdom with them. They
so they understand and know.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Do you think if if we look back to when
you're playing football and basketball at Florida State, If I
if that was now and you were playing both, would
you have made the same decision to play basketball instead
of football?
Speaker 10 (30:00):
Would have been very tough decision. I played basketball and
football because I enjoyed playing both sports. And you know
the way I got into basketball in college was, you know,
Coach Bollen allowed me to go and play basketball my
second year in school. I was red shirting in football
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that year, and he had promised me when I was
being recruited that I could or go and play, that
I could play basketball in college, and so he was
a man to his word allowed me to go out
my second year that way I was. I was able
to establish myself as a basketball player, and so when
I came back from football the next few years, I
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was able to have a place because I had established myself.
So I don't know, it depends on the coach, but
being able to have that that year of establishing myself
as a basketball player was very key for me. And
I don't know if that's the would be the case today,
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but grateful that I came alone at the same time
around that time. But the difference is right now is
guys that are very similar to me as a football player,
they're getting drafted in the first round. Which was my
statement that I made coming out of college that if
I got drafted the first round, then I would play football,
but any other round, you know, I would consider my
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other options.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Austin Rivers sparked the debate of the NBA versus NFL
players in which side could play an the other sport,
and I know you didn't play in the NFL, but
having played in the NBA, what's your take on this.
Speaker 10 (31:37):
Well, I didn't play in the NFL, but I did
play in the NBA, and that was tough, especially during
my era, because it was very, very physical, which I
didn't mind, you know, playing with the Knicks during that time.
That's the way we practiced, That's the way we played.
But football is different as well. You know, have Us
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has his physicality points, especially during that time where they
didn't protect the quarterback and and so there are a
lot of things that are different today that weren't back
during that time. But you know, I heard the debate
with Austin and everybody was commenting on it. You know,
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when you're in a professional sport, I don't care what
sport that is, it's hard, you know, because everyone's competing,
everyone's doing, you know, putting it in time and effort
to be the best that they can be. And so
when you're talking about, you know, which board or athlete
is the best athlete? Uh, Athletics in general is hard.
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I mean, if you try to get in a race car,
you know we can do that. You know that that
takes a certain type of mentality, training all those things.
And people race car drivers are athletes, well get in
the race car. And so until you put yourself in
someone else's shoes, it's hard to say what who is
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the best?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Got a Michael Jordan's story for me before we say goodbye?
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Yes, doing our time with the Knicks. You know, there
was no layup rule, and every time someone went to
the basket, there was going to be a challenge in
some form of fashion where it was standing in front
of a guy or going and try to meet him.
And so Michael Jordan this time was going to the
basket and I decided that hey, maybe a good idea
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to try to go in block a shot again. Unfortunately
that time I got put on a poster and with
the fat lip. And then I always always.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Ask how many people have that story?
Speaker 10 (33:53):
So I'm just grateful to have great Michael Jordan stories
because that meant that I was. I was there in
the building.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
So you got a fat lip and he dunked on you,
Yes you did. But you know what, Michael doesn't have
a heisman, Charlie.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, Hey, great to talk to you. Good luck with
your team and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
Thanks I appreciate you having me on Dan again.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Charlie war Heisman Trophy winner now teaching high school basketball,
coaching high school basketball in Tallahassee. Yeah, it doesn't happen now.
Where you win a Heisman, chances are you're going to
get drafted, probably going to get drafted really high. But
Charlie didn't even get drafted coming out of Florida State.
And it's not like he wasn't playing against good competition.
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I just think his style of quarterback play probably wasn't
as readily acceptable at that time. All right, let me
take a break. We'll come back. We'll get to more
phone calls. The great comedian Bill Burr will stop buying
the final hour of the program. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
He's the popular Bill Burr and he's on tour. You
can find out more at Bill Burr dot com the
Bill burd Live Tour. Also, he's in Jerry Seinfeld's movie
on Frosted. He plays Jfka in there. How are you, Billy?
I'm doing all right? How are you decent? Decent? I
did wonder about this when I heard you were going
(35:29):
to be on first thing I thought of was if
you were asked, would you have been on the dais
to roast Tom Brady?
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (35:41):
No, I wouldn't because because I feel like that's what
happened to him during his career. I don't think I
ever saw anybody achieve the level that he achieved while
getting all of this crap from an astoundingly cheating organization
in the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I think he's gotten enough crap. I mean, I mean,
I don't.
Speaker 11 (36:02):
I can't, Like, you can't even get into half the
stuff that the Colts were doing. I mean to have
your owners sitting on the competition committee and have them
make the way we cover their receivers illegal, and then
you steal our offense. You can win a Super Bowl
where you have like crowd noise when Tom's on the
field and it's like skipping and you have to shut
it off. I mean, have you ever heard of an
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owner of the losing team conducting an independent investigation and
it's upheld Like shouldn't Roger Goodell be like, don't go.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Over my head.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
I conduct the I conduct, and all of it was upheld.
So like, I think that guy's gotten enough. I'm like
trying to think of like people on his level, like
the Jeters, the Jordans and all of them. People are like,
oh my god, this isn't this amazing? And Tom's whole time,
they're like weighing footballs. And even ESPN they made up
(36:55):
that crap about us filming a practice and then we
proved that it wasn't true and they retracted it on
Twitter at like two in the morning. So I had
no interest in giving this guy any more crap than
he did. And then all the ugly bastards out there
were all excited when his marriage went south because they
can't even approach the local hobby in a towny bar
and it makes them feel better, you know. And Peyton
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looks like a number two pencils, so nobody felt intimidated
by him.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
And that was basically It's.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
Just so it's just like, all right, let's have a
bunch of people go out there and make fun of
the fact that his marriage crumbled. I mean, I don't
want to do that. This is gonna be this could
have been.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Your bed, you could have gotten up there and been
the anti Tom Brady roaster.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
Well, you know what, they asked me to do it
a couple of years ago, and when they first were
gonna do it, and I was editing a movie and
I just didn't have time. And then this time through
they didn't ask me, and I was really all right
with that.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Is there anything off limits though?
Speaker 11 (37:57):
In like a roast used to be, Yeah, they used
to be rules, but it used to be your friends
that roasted you. So the rules used to be, like
you don't make fun of somebody that's not there or
that isn't going to go up and get a chance
to get you, and uh yeah. And then and also
(38:18):
I think the vibe used to be different where they
used to be because you knew the person, you felt
the love of the friendship. Now it's just sort of
like mercenary style.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
So it's gone. You know.
Speaker 11 (38:31):
It's like kind of like music, it keeps like progressing,
Like you start off with like Black Sabbath and then
you end up with like death metal, these guys.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Singing like that. I mean, it just kind of goes
that way.
Speaker 11 (38:42):
So I feel like the roast is is uh, I
mean it was, it was great roast. I'm not not
trashing or anything, but like they used to, I don't.
I don't know that there are rules anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Your mood going into a stand up when you're playing
a crowd. Is there a difference if you're in a
good mood when you go on stage or if you're
in a bad mood?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, especially if your material what you're talking about,
let's just say the classic, you know, men and women
type of thing.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
If you're not in a good mood, it starts to
sound like you.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
Really mean whatever you're saying about men or women, and
then you just you've just come off like you hate
men or women. But if you do it more if
you're in a good mood, if it comes off like silly,
is uh? I feel like that's the place you want
to be throughout your whole act. Even if you're talking
about something really heavy and you're actually saying something truthful,
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logical about it, you have to, you know, if you
want people to keep listening, you got to be silly.
Like when I was coming up, there was this period
where there was this big badge of Bonner where these
comedians were walking the crowd.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
That dude he was on. When he gone on stage,
it was two hundred people. By the time he was done,
there was only twelve.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
And that meant like, you know, you with some sort
of badass because no, you know, most comics are afraid
of bombing. So if you could stand there and have
everybody leave and still say it like you want to.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
And I just think that was dumb.
Speaker 11 (40:12):
I was like, well, once they leave, the funds over,
you know, like the fun is saying something they don't
want to hear, but you do it in a way
that makes them stay to hear the next sting, so
you can keep having fun with them. Once they leave,
the game's over. And then you just sort of left
with like ten twelve people that just agree with you,
like an echo chamber, and that gets like like we
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used to call it clapter or they don't laugh, they
just yeah, they start doing that.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
That's like the worst worst place ever to be. I feel.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
How do you feel about comedians who work blue and
those who don't? And the reason why I bring this
up If I'm watching the roast, it felt like every
third word was the F word, and I don't know
where you stand with that and incorporating that in your.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
Act I think there's merit and saying that sometimes it's
easier to work blue. I think it's like anything. It's
like drinking. You know, you have one martini at the
end of the day, it's no big deal. You start
having like six, it's a problem. So it's kind of
like that. But there was this whole adage when I
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came up that like people that worked clean were true
comedians and were better than the guys that were blue.
But and I bought into that for a minute, and
I used to work clean, and but I also realized
that working clean didn't just mean not swearing. It meant
not having any sort of unpopular opinion about something, not
bringing up subjects. So it was sort of like like
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the audiences or comedy purists who aren't comedians, which is
funny to me, their idea of working clean was not
just not cursing. It was up there going like isn't
it funny that we came up with the shirt? What's
up with the shirt? And they're like that's real comedy,
blah blah.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Like like being like that's safe.
Speaker 11 (42:08):
But I mean you could comment on on you know,
Israel and Palestine and not curse, And that same person
would say that you know that you were like an
outrage and blah blah blah. You know, obviously if you
went against whatever side they're on over there. And so
I try to, you know, the same way with like
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my cigar smoking, like my cursing my act. I try
to make sure that I'm not using it as like peds,
you know what I mean, take sort of.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Right up my act.
Speaker 11 (42:37):
But I also really believe that you should be who
you are when you're on stage, and that honesty is
the funnier thing. So, like, one of the things I
like is when people tell me they listen to my comedy,
they feel like they're talking to one of their friends
in a bar or something like that. And that's I mean,
I'm not a big reader, Dan, so I mean, that's
pretty much your way.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Bill Burr. You can go to a bill dot com
to find the location nearest you. He was also in
Jerry Seinfeld's Netflix film Unfrosted. I just had somebody send
me a clip when you were on Breaking Bad, and
that's when somebody was writing a check. You were waiting
for them to write the check. What do you remember
about being on being asked to be on Breaking Ben, Well.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Since you brought that scene up.
Speaker 11 (43:24):
What I loved about that scene was I finally got
to play I finally got to do something dramatic and
with all of this humor underneath it, because there was
something really funny about me standing next to Lavelle Crawford.
For those of you guys didn't see it, He's a
giant black guy. I'm this skinny, pasty white guy. And
you know the way it's written on the page, my
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character is saying all this tough guy stuff. But you know,
I was thinking about the scene. It's like we're in
the suburbs, it's during the day, somebody's home next door.
The last thing I want is for this to be
a problem. And I got this great visual and intimidation
next to me, so I don't need to be tough.
I'll just approach this as a business thing. And there
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was only a couple of moments where I had to
kind of lean in, get a little sinister to kind
of urge him to sign that check. And the writing
on the show was so good that you could have
like like like emotions, you know, all the way up
to the top floor on anything that they wrote. And
(44:25):
I was a huge fan of the show. I watched
it from the literally the pilot episode. There was something
about the billboard that captured me. So I think I
got on the show because I was one of the
first actors out here asking my agent.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
If he could get me on the show.
Speaker 11 (44:39):
So before the whole town was asking, I got in
quickly and they saw me read, they go, okay, can
I go put a pin in him?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
And something comes up.
Speaker 11 (44:48):
I also think they like stand up because there was
a lot of comedians, you know Lavelle, you know, Bob
oden Kirk, and even when they did Better Call Saul,
a friend Joe to Rosa.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Got on that show.
Speaker 11 (45:01):
And so I think there was a bunch of things
that came together in a good way for me to
finally not play the redhead guy.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, your hair looked pretty good back then. You had
some nice moss at the time.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Oh did I I wasn't. I think by that it
was I was. I was losing the roof pretty good.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
When you got famous, when do you cash in on
being famous to meet sports heroes?
Speaker 5 (45:27):
Oh? Never, I don't do that. I don't do that.
I always looking like, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 11 (45:32):
Somebody was talking about the Beastie Boys right going County
believe how long goes? MCA died and they said, you
know what's crazy? Ago, I was in Denver one time
and I stayed at the same hotel as them. When
I was at the hotel, gym and MCA came walking
in and it was just me and just him, and
I looked at him. He saw me recognizing him, and
I thought to myself, you know what my gift to
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this guy is, for all this break music is I'm
not going to say anything to him, and I'm just
gonna let him work out. So I look at it like,
you know those guys, those athletes, I mean they they they,
I mean NBA athletes, they work on Christmas, NFL, they
work on Thanksgiving. Do they really need me coming up
and being that, Hey, I hate to do this? Can
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I can I get a picture?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I just like, but if Larry Bird walked into the room,
you walked into a room and Larry Birds there, what's
your game?
Speaker 11 (46:24):
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that wants
somebody coming up to him.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
So I'm not doing that. I will tell you this.
Oh my god. I went to Uh, my wife wanted
to go to a Lakers game.
Speaker 11 (46:34):
I'm a Celtis game play a fan, so I hate
the Lakers and uh but I will say I feel
bad for Laker fans that they literally they went from
the Forum that had this amazing sound now to Staples Center.
The DJ literally plays the whole game. It's like you're
at a backyard barbecue or something. The game is like
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secondary to the everybody clapped your hands every five seconds.
It's like, and I cheer when something happened and not
when this radio check DJ tells me what to do.
So we're in the We're in like the forum club,
whatever the hell they call it a Staples Center and
Kareem abdul Jubar comes walking in. Now he famously does
not want people to come up to him. My wife
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is like starstruck. She goes, can can we go over?
I said no, no, no, no, don't go over to
that guy. Don't go over that guy.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
He doesn't want people approaching him.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
So of course some lady comes walking up to him
and catches him in the right moment and takes a
quick picture. And my wife's going go talk to him,
and I'm going, oh no. So I went up to
him and he had mentioned me one time in some
article he wrote. I said, hey, Kareem, Hey, I'm a comedian.
You mentioned me one time and something you wrote, and
I was gonna say, I can my wife get a
picture with you.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
I didn't even get to that.
Speaker 11 (47:47):
I go, you wrote you wrote something about me, and
he wasn't even looking at me. He just goes I did,
and I was like, oh no, and I gotta be
honest with you. I felt bad. I felt bad right
like the second quarter.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Not for me. I felt bad. Fam.
Speaker 11 (48:04):
I was like this, all this guy does is get bumped,
and I just became another one of those people doing
that to him.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
So were you mad at you?
Speaker 5 (48:13):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Were you mad at your wife?
Speaker 5 (48:17):
No?
Speaker 11 (48:17):
But I was actually surprised because she's not into sports
the way I am. So I was excited to see
her be excited for this athlete to see him, and
you know, I mean, it's exciting enough for me just
to see him. And what I love about all of
those old school Lakers is I hated them when they played,
and now I love them, Like now I can sit
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back now and just look at and I remember when
like the Lakers were the first ones to drink Champagne.
I think the only ones in the Boston garden.
Speaker 5 (48:46):
I remember when Kareem hit that shot.
Speaker 11 (48:48):
He went like that when he went down the court,
and I was yelling, f you at the TV. Now
I look at it, I was just like, that's an
amazing thing that they did. And I was like, well,
like Michael Cooper when you watch him on the local
sports out here in LA, the level of hatred he
still has for the Celtics because that was like, now
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they're all seemed like their friends and they bounce it
around the league. But back then, if you were a Laker,
you were a Lake. If you were a Celtic, you
are a Celtic. And I still think my favorite NBA
team of all time was the eighty three seventy six Ers,
who I would put up against the ninety six Bulls.
I mean, I got Moses underneath against Luke Longley. I'll
take that. And I think doctor j can neutralize enough
(49:33):
of what Jordan's gonna do. And good lord, if Andrew
Tony heat it up, I think he could he could
match Scotty Pip.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
I mean, being an unbelievable series.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I was in the garden when Magic hit the sky Hook.
I was covering that, Yeah, for CNN, I was there,
and I remember going into the locker room and they
had the champagne and that locker room was worse than
any junior high locker room that I'd ever been in,
Like there was no accommodations whatsoever. But I just remember
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Magic hitting that shot and just the garden couldn't believe
that somebody on the other team is going to hit
a shot like that, and of all people, when you say, hey,
a Skyhook's going to end this and it's Magic, who
does that?
Speaker 5 (50:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (50:22):
I actually think that that whole era is what influenced
the super teams now. I think that that because that
became so successful and they passed NFL football in the
level of popularity. I believe that when Burn Magic were
getting older, then they had Jordan, and then when Jordan left,
I think that they were like, what is our brand now?
(50:43):
So I think that they they liked those things, and
I think that they thought that does it only work
in New York and LA And once it worked in
Miami and then it worked in Golden State. Now it's like, oh,
it doesn't matter, we just have to have like you know,
these a bunch of teams pilot up, like like what
happened last year with the Nuggets, I think was the
best thing that happened for the NBA for a while
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where it was like it, you know, I like the
Spurs that that Pistons team or in the early two
thousands was a good one, like I like.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
And and with watching like how scary a the Timberwolves.
Speaker 11 (51:16):
Yeah, I mean just watching those guys, I like, I
liked it more back then. I mean there would be
like a blockbuster trade, but like this whole thing where
you're just sitting, you know, piling on and getting championships
and they're like, all right, well Jordan has six, this
guy has five.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Is it the same? It's like, no, dude, it's it's not.
It's it's different. It's different.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Where's the next tour stop?
Speaker 11 (51:41):
I got a Columbus Ohio, then I go to Nashville,
and then I'm I'm somewhere in North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (51:49):
So that's gonna be. That's a really fun tour. Great
people on all of all of those stops. I get
to tease Ohio State fans they're always crying every year
could lose six games and still present an argument of
why they should be in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Great to catch up with you and uh safe travels,
good luck with.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
You all right, thank you Dan, all right, buddy.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
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Seaton Pole question for hour two is.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What well for hour one, we threw up a couple
of them there and that literally threw up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We put some of them, oh right there we have.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Would you rather have a ten year career as a
solid player in the NFL or NBA. Right now, seventy
two percent of the audience have the NBA.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, of course you're gonna make a whole lot more money.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, by leaps and bounds. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
What's funny about that pole question is even if you
like the football a lot more, you'd still probably take
the NBA because of the health and the money and
the guaranteed contract. Sure, yeah, you cannot even be you
could be a casual basketball person.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You probably only if you said I was winning a
Super Bowl would I entertain that to be a football player.
If I take away, you're not going to play a
more que position. You're gonna be a linebacker or you're
going to be, you know, a role player in the NBA,
gonna make a whole lot more money. Unless you say, hey,
you're going to be a linebacker on a super Bowl
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winning team. Okay, maybe, but you know, just look at
what Austin Rivers made in his career. It still made
you know, over fifty million dollars and probably no serious injuries. Yeah. See,
so I think I'm going to change that pull question up.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's a different version of a similar concept, but this
one was on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
From Jimmy I think, right, Jimmy, would you.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Rather have seventeen million dollars and a Super Bowl ring
or fifty million and no Championship ring?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I guess it depends on the position that I play, Like,
did I really contribute? Are they going to remember me?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Would you rather have seventeen million dollars and a Super
Bowl ring? Or what is it? Fifty four million? He
made something like a fifty four million dollars and no ring.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So James Jones got into this conversation about Austin Rivers,
the NBA and the NFL. James Jones played wide receiver
the Packers. He won a super Bowl, but he may
considerably less money than Austin Rivers. I mean, am I
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going to pass up fifty million dollars? Did you have
to be reminded that James Jones played in the Super
Bowl with the Packers? Because I did. Yeah, You're like, oh, okay, yeah,
he won a super Bowl. That's not necessarily a legacy play. No,
because neither one of them have a No. I mean,
they're not Hall of Fame careers.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But every time they the Green Bay brings back players
to celebrate that ring, he gets the call.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Okay, so you get a free trip to Green Bay. No,
but you have you get to stay by the airport
at the hotel there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
You know what the I think, I'm just I don't
know that I would necessarily agree with this, but there
is a certain amount of value that you really can't put,
like a monetary value on winning and how awesome that is,
how much fun it is to be like, you know what,
We're gonna start this season, work our asses off, and
at the end of it we won and we were
the best team.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That there is a value to that.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yes, boy, all right, I'll throw out a different conbo Okay,
I think you're gonna love it. You could have the
career and earnings of Julian Edelman of the Patriots or
Bradley Beal, the basketball player for the Sons.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bradley Beal's probably made two hundred million dollars more than
Julian night.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think you're correct. I have Julian Edelman making about
just under fifty million, and Bradley Beal makes.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That in eight months. He makes that in one year.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Correct, Let's say he made.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
That in injured games this year, in games he didn't
play this year.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, just about the Okay, one, would you if I
said you're gonna make two hundred and fifty million and
no titles and you're gonna do it in obscurity, nobody's
gonna remember you? Or Edelman, who had one of the
best postseason careers in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
PAULI, I can't believe I'm saying this, and I don't
know if I'm lying to myself, but I'm taking Julian
Edeman's oak Seaton.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You taking Edelman or you're taking Bradley Beal for two
one hundred million dollars more.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I no, I would take Edelman because I understand that
two hundred and fifty million dollars is a lot of money,
but fifty something, what is it?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
How much to be? Fifty?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Fifty million dollars is also an unbelievable amount of money.
And most of my career was spent being awesome or
on an awesome team.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hell yeah, okay, that Marvin, what about you? I can't
believe I'm saying this. I'm with the other guys.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
I'm going Julian Edelman.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And also because of the money that you can make
post career.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, okay, but he's got a Bradley Beal's got a
big head start on the amount of money that Julian
Edlan is gonna make.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Edelman could make money post career. Bradley Beal could just
look at his money to his career.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, I'm taking Bradley Beal at two hundred and fifty
million dollars on it. Yes, I okay. I get to
shoot as much as I want I get. Yeah, I
mean that's all I care about. I get to score
and I'm gonna have two hundred and fifty million dollars.
I mean, I mean it's nice. I'll congratulate you on
your titles while I'm on my yacht. We might have
(06:07):
been lying. I think you guys were lying.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I don't think that we were. Fifty four million dollars
is an unbelievable amount of money.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Uh, okay, it is.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me ask a journalist, Frank I Sool. He is
covering the NBA, covering the Knicks Pacers contributor to Around
the Horn. Pardon the interruption I had, Frank, If I
said you could have Bradley Beal's career and money or
Julian Edelman's career, yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
I'd probably take Dan Patrick's career in money. But in
this case and your crew is nuts, I'm taking Bradley
Beal number one. Think about the money so clearly, do
they have a significant other in their life, A wife,
a girlfriend, parents, They would tell them, are you nuts?
Take the two hundred and fifty. It's generational money. Who
cares about you? Want a championship? I get it. I'd
(06:55):
love to play with Tom Brady too. I'm taking the money.
I agree with you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay where you stand on this whole. Austin Rivers discussion
that he had with Pat McAfee on how many players
in the NBA do you think if I gave them
a year could play in the NFL?
Speaker 8 (07:12):
I think you could find a few that could do it.
I mean Paulo ben Caro and Lebron James couldn't play
tight end. Tight End would seem to be the one
position that you can get guys to play, and maybe
defensive back as well. Like to me, making that transition
from being an NBA player to maybe playing football is
more realistic than thinking they're going to play hockey, tennis, golf, soccer.
(07:33):
I mean, there are unique skill sets that you need
for that and that's not to say NFL players aren't skilled,
But you don't think all these great athletes we have
in the NBA, not one of them could be a
defensive back, Not one of them could be a tight end.
Who knows Jason Tatum could be the next Harold Carmaker.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Who knows he's having a hard time being the original
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
True?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Okay, explain this to me. We have a large sample
size with the Celtics, and I know it's Recncy bias
after last night, but they got blown out by twenty
four at home by an under man Cleveland team. I
know it's one game, but it feels like it's more
than that because it goes back to what we've seen
where they love the three, they live and die by it,
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and they don't adjust when they don't make it. I agree.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
I'm texting my radio partner Brian Scalabrini, because I'm always
killing them about the Celtics. I said, your team is
so soft. They didn't respond, which told me a lot.
I look at the Eastern Conference. It's like one tough
team mentally and physically, especially now that Miami's gone, and
that's the New York Knicks. I mean, if you're the
Boston Celtics, at what point you know, if they're just
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launching up threes, they're not getting it done on defense.
They don't play with any emotion. The buildings seem to
be dead, and haven't they learned their lesson? They lost
game one in the second round last year to Philadelphia.
That was without Embiid. They lost games one and two
at home to Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. This year,
they lost game two to Miami. That to me was
a surprise. It's not so much about the result anybody
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could lose. It was, to your point, more about the performance.
And there's such a big team. I don't understand why
they don't try to exploit mismatches, throw the ball into
the post, whether it's Drew Holliday on Darius Garlander, Jason
Tatum on Max Strus, try.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
To do something like that.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
The way that they were shooting last night, where it's
all about three pointers, and the way that they were defending,
it's hard to see them winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Also, I don't know where you stand with athletes postgame
press conferences. Jason Tatum is even keel. Now we might
compliment that and say, hey, you know what, doesn't get
too high too low. You know, I like to have
that passion. I'd like when it bothers you, it hurts you,
it angers you, you're fired up. I'd love for Jason
Tatum to just say this won't happen again. I won't
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allow this to happen again.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
I kind of agree with you, and I think you
see that on the court as well, because I was
saying to Brian Scalabrina, who played with Jason Kidd in
New Jersey and then got to play with Kevin Garnett
and Boston, like those guys would not settle for something
like that, And Jason Tatum after the game saying, everyone
specs us to win every game by a blowout. No, no,
we don't, but we expect better effort from you guys.
(10:06):
Especially TEENA won sixty four games during the regular season,
and they have a chance to put you know, Cleveland
would have been on the ropes. And remember Cleveland in
the first round. They went to Orlando three times and
they didn't win a game in Orlando. So they came
into the you know, the Boston Garden, the ghosts of
you know, Bill Russell and Larry Bird and Paul Pierce,
and they took them out pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Talking to frank I Sola of course around the horn
on the Mothership part in the interruption covering the NBA Playoffs,
trying to figure out what Denver team shows up tonight.
What do you expect I.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Would think, you know, there's been a lot of a
lot of talk about both Nikola Jokic, you know what's
happened to him in the series, but especially Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray's got to have a better game, especially since
he got he caught a lucky break. He should have
been ejected from Game two. He should be suspended for
Game three. There has been a little bit more time
off now between games two and three. We're going to
see what type of team Denver is, because now you're
(11:00):
on the road, you at least have to win game
three to really have a realistic chance of winning that building.
Tonight's going to be fired up for Minnesota. I don't
think they've played at home in about fifteen days or so.
You know, they're six and zero in the playoffs, and
four of those wins have come on the road against
Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, the aforementioned Bradley Beal, and of
course what they did to the defending champs. I would
think that you're going to see a different performance by Denver.
(11:22):
Would The problem that Denver has is that Minnesota has
guys that could guard Nicole Jokich, including Nasriedi even Carl
Anthony Towns a bit. And then they got Rudy Gobert
hanging around the rim getting ready to clean everything up.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I said this the other day, caught a little heat,
but I stand by it. I don't think the Joker
wins another MVP and after this year, yes, but it's
nothing against him. In fact, like Lebron has it won
one in over a decade. I get at one point
it stopped with Michael and they gave it to Charles
and gave it to Karl Malone. Like the media moves on,
(11:54):
you know, they can't wait for Anthony Edwards, John Morant
coming back. Maybe it's Lucas like it feels like the
Joker had his run here and it might be the
ultimate compliment of he probably can't out Joker himself.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, you know.
I you know, I have a vote. Last year I
voted for himb This year, I voted for Nicola Joaki
if someone that stands out the most for me, and
I don't remember having a vote back then was the
year that Karmelone won it instead of Michael Jordan, And
it did really feel as if the media was saying,
Karmelone's been so good for so long, the Utah Jazz
had been this really good team. It was almost like
(12:31):
a lifetime achievement MVP for karmel And I think there's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Of truth to that.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
I think I thought it was going to be a
little bit closer this year, especially with the fact that
you know, Oklahoma City had the great year. Oklahoma City
came out of nowhere. But when you do look at
a lot of the numbers, including how the Denver Nuggets
are on the court, and when Jokic is there and
when he's on the bench, it's it's pretty glaring. But
I think there's some truth that. I also think he's
the kind of guy he doesn't want to get wrapped
(12:58):
up and obviously he thought the debate last year you
could tell he was uncomfortable with that. I thought at
times it got a little distasteful. The whole thing with
him and embeed. But I'll tell you what, he'll catch
a lot of heat if they get knocked out pretty
quickly in this series, just like Embiid caught some heat
last year for getting bounced out in the second round.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
All right, Explain to me if you're vetting Frank Vogel
that you see or don't see something in one year
that you basically say, you know what, we made a
mistake giving you a five year deal, you're the reason
to blame for the Phoenix Suns and you fire him.
How does that happen after one year?
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (13:35):
To me, it kind of says that they don't know
what they're doing in Phoenix from this standpoint, because when
there was talk about them getting Bradley bal And you
looked at their roster and you're thinking, well, well, why
did they really need him for? You have Devin Booker,
Kevin Durant. You're going to give up all these assets
to get a guy that has been hurt a lot
over the last few years, hasn't won a lot of games.
And you look at the way the roster was constructed
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and to say, is Frank Vogel the perfect coach for that? Team,
I would have no idea, but to put it all
on him doesn't make sense. And Frank bol what was
it a five year, thirty one million dollar contract he's
walking away with. But Phoenix is in a bad spot because,
come on, Dan, look look at what's going on in
the NBA. You know, Steph didn't even make the playoffs.
Lebron Anthony Davis are out, Kawhi and the Clippers are out,
Damian Lowd and Giannis are out, and obviously Kevin Durant
(14:19):
and the Phoenix Suns are at There does seem to
be a shift happening in the NBA with younger teams
and having what Minnesota like, I would rather have Jaden
McDaniels and you know, nas reed than have Bradley Beal
on my team, Like, oh, I don't really, I.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Don't really need that.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
So I think I think the smarter teams are looking
to fill out their roster with you know, hard playing
role players.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Look at the New York Knicks.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
They got the one star on the team in Jalen Brunson,
who's had this breakout year, but those other guys like
Dante DiVincenzo, Josh Hart Isaiah Hartenstein are just physically and
mentally tough, hard playing guys.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Speaking of the next series, how surprised were you that
Rick Carlisle wasn't fined for his small market comments talking
about the NBA.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Yeah, I really was. I think David Stern definitely with him.
I like what Rick Carlisle did. I think it was
smart from this standpoint. He's not going to sit there
after the game and start calling out Miles Turner for
not getting rebounds and Tyre's Halliburn for being terrible in
Game one. In Game two, he didn't really do much
in the fourth quarter, And I think he knows that
everything is about tonight, everything's about Game three. So I've
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been to play at Nick Pacer playoff games in Indiana before.
The crowd is going to be absolutely on fire. They're
playing for their season tonight. I think it was the
right tone of set, putting all the pressure on him,
having everybody talk about the officials, and you know this people,
I've been in Portland for playoff games before. In the
first bad call that goes against the Portland Trailblazers, they start,
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you know, chanting these ref stink. All the small market
teams are convinced that the league has it out for them.
So I think Rick Carla was playing to his audience,
and I think you'll see the reaction tonight in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I expect them to win, but they should have
won one of these two games New Year, right, you
know that. So I think that Rick has taking the
pressure off his team by putting it on himself and
the referees. Is this sustainable with what the Knicks are
doing given Tibbs rotation is maybe six players and Og
is not going to play in Game three? Is it?
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Yeah? Well, yeah, the problem is the problem is that
he's playing his backups right now because these are the
guys that were, you know, filling in for guys that
got hurt. So now you start going to your you know,
third string guys, and they're not going to.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Be as good.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
You know.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
It's funny. We had talked about the idea of sitting
Jalen Brunson this before we knew that oj Anobi wouldn't play,
sitting him for a game, and there is precedence. If
you go back to two thousand and one, Philadelphia made
the Eastern Conference Finals against Milwaukee. The series was tied
at one one and Iverson was taking such a pounding
he was hurting. They actually sat him out in Game
three on the road in Milwaukee. That's a gutsy move.
(16:52):
And Philadelphia lost that game, so they were down to
one in the series. Iverson came back to play Game four,
they won that. They eventually go on to win the series.
If you're the Knicks, well, I don't know if you
ever want to punt a playoff game, but if there
was ever a time to maybe rest everybody, especially with
og Anobi, just play the other guys and almost have
like open tryouts for who's going to be our new sixth, seventh,
(17:14):
and eighth the rest of the series.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, but if you can take one nick off celebrity
row and maybe get some minutes out of him, who
you're taking.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
That's a good one. That's a good one. I'd probably say,
because he looks like he's fit. It would be Stephan Marbury, who,
by the way, never won a playoff series. Never want
a playoff game in a nick uniform. I mean, I
know he's getting treated like he's a conquering hero there.
It probably be him because he looks like he's in
the most shape. He's in the best shape by.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It feels like Mellow can get about ten shots off though,
and you know maybe in about Carmelo will say he
wants to start. He doesn't want to come off the best.
That would be a problem. Have a great weekend, Frank,
Thanks for joining us, Dan, I'll see you guys. Frank
I soolim covering the NBA with a round the horn
and pardon the eruption, We'll take a break. Charlie Ward,
former Heisman winner, get his thoughts not only on his
(18:04):
former team, the Knicks, and also playing football or playing basketball.
He won the Heisman but played in the NBA, had
a long career. He'll join us coming up in a
little bit. The great comedian Bill Burr will stop by
as well. Take a break back after this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2 (19:03):
According to DraftKings, the Knicks are getting seven tonight over
under Jalen Brunson thirty five and a half and the
Nuggets getting four and a half against the Timberwolf. Silver
under for ant Man is twenty seven and a half.
Joker is twenty eight and a half. A couple of
phone calls, then we'll talk to the former Heisman Trophy
winner Charlie Ward, Matt and Riverside. I'm Matt, what do
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you have for me today?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Happy me prior to you and DP and the boy,
thanks for calling back. I called in yesterday. I forgot
the way in six one two fifteen, So shout out
to young Marvin Prince upfront for keeping the boys updated
on the language of the culture. But the reason why
I was calling is I didn't think relegation was going
to lead to a public roasting, so I thought it
(19:48):
would be a great idea to call back to send
apology to the back left but yeah, anyway, so I
do think that the NBA does have a problem crowning
at MVP three second of years. I think the last time, Paul,
you might have to check this live time that happened
with Wade board Bird eighty four to eighty seven. But
since then we have a slew of back to back
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champion MVPs that haven't got crowned. Enjoyed me, have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you, Matt. Matt's the one who brought up relegation
and Fritzy not here today. It's a mere coincidence that
is taking the brunt of his relegation talk. Yes he has,
Yes he has. Robin Orlando, Hi, Rob, welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Two quick things for you. First Off, I'm going to
a part of the bet payoff that I got to
give to Marvin from the Orlando Magic. Yeah, I'm making
it to the Eastern Conference finals. So I'll listen to him.
Let me know how he wants me to do it,
what type of pause? And also, I need to have
a little rebuttal for Mark and sat Glay. Yesterday a
little late in the show drops a hammer questioning me
(20:52):
be in the sense of the three d DC dojo.
I just have to, you know, if I have to
go into more detail on it. Two time divorced with kids,
dead dad, three dead dogs, and my third dead dog
happened at the hands of my second wife, second ex wife,
who let him out, and he had a tragic for
(21:15):
the July firework accident. So I just you know, I mean, listen,
this is solid stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't take this lightly, No damn rom I feel
bad for you.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
It's like an entire country album.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That is DDC across the board. Dead Dad's divorced dad,
dead dog, Rob's done it all. By the way, Luca
goes to the press conference last night and he hears something.
Have you guys, did you guys see this? Oh dear? Okay,
so here's Luca. No, no, I'm just going to touch on
(21:48):
it here. Okay, somebody's touching on it. Okay, So here here.
So lucas there and you could hear the PA over head,
so there's noise in the PA system now that goes
out to the arena, but also in the press room.
So Luca's there after the wind and he hears this,
(22:10):
we are open shots. So I'm just how sharing the
ball and our energy was great? What do you think,
uh okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Moving on, what was that?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You hear a woman moaning and Lucas stops and he's
looking up like what is this? And uh I don't
know if it was explained too many one by anyone,
but it certainly was play one more time here. We
were open shots. So I'm just how sharing the ball
and our energy was great.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Uh? Okay, okay, it's around the horning blue blue hamp Paul.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
First of all, I can't believe Tod's not here for this.
Oh my god, this is like his Super Bowl. There's
mixed reports on where the audio came from. It could
either be a laptop where someone didn't realize their audio
is on in the back or another room, or someone
on a laptop or phone had like Bluetooth connected to
the audio system and it went out over the overhead.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Pa.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, here's a quick question for the room.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
If you were the employee that did this, Let's say
it was an employee that did this, you rat yourself
out or hope you never get caught.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I hope I don't get cat I hope I don't
kid act like you didn't know that. You know, you
could have caused this. Imagine you win the Heisman, you
play quarterback, you play quarterback at Florida State, and you
decide that you're going to play in the NBA and
not the NFL. That's what happened with Charlie Wurtz. So
you know, Kyler Murray wins the Heisman and he would
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have been a top ten pick in baseball, he's the
number one pick in football, decides she's going to play football.
So Charlie Ward, back in the early nineties, he won
the Heisman at Florida State and then went into the NBA,
played for the Knicks, played in the NBA finals, had
a good career over a decade, but didn't play in
the NFL. We thought it'd be fun to reach out
to Charlie get his thoughts on this Austin Rivers topic
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of NBA and NFL. But Charlie Ward, the former Heisman
Trophy winner, now he's a high school basketball coach the
boys varsity basketball at Florida High in Tallahassee. Charlie, thanks
for joining us on the program. What do you think?
What do you see when you look at this Knixt team?
Speaker 10 (24:36):
I see a team that has built very similar to
their coach. There are gritty, prepared, hart working, they find
a way to outlast. They're piecing it together right now.
But I see our group that is connected in a
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lot of ways of stepping up. But just like any team,
you gotta have a go to guy, and they have
that in Jalen Brutson, so that that gives you a
chance every night, especially in close games.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What do you remember about the NBA Finals nineteen ninety
nine when you guys face the Spurs and you didn't
have Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
Well, we also didn't have Larry Johnson for a good
portion of that series as well, which hurt our depth,
especially against the Spurs who had a bigger, big, bigger lineup.
But I just the experience one of beating Indiana, which
was a great in the East content Finals. It was
a great atmosphere, very similar to what we're seeing now
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in the Garden and that series. We always at some
point you play your best game, and your best game
is not good enough. You know it's gonna be a
long series, and so that that was something, you know,
was disheartening because we just didn't have seemed like we
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just didn't have enough in the way of you know
depth to be able to overcome what the Spurs brought.
And of course they had Tim Duncan who was young
at that time and he was very dominant and it
was tough for us to stop him. So of course
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we had a plan. But they made some shots as well,
big time shots when they needed them. Even Avery Johnson
made a shot in the corner I think it was
in game four or five to help them win a game,
which you know that was not his mo but he
stepped up and made that big shot to propel them
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in the garden.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Talking to Charlie Ward, former Heisman Trophy winner in Florida State,
what was it like being in the room Reggie Bush
got his Heisman back?
Speaker 10 (27:04):
It was a really, really great moment. I was shocked
when they mentioned that they were going to give it back.
We have been there has been a campaign within the room,
Heisman room meetings before this moment, and we were just
grateful that, you know, they made the right decision to
do it for him and you know, kind of break
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whatever barriers there were for him not having it, but
just happy for him and his family, you know, being
able to see his wife and him sharing that this
is the first time his kids, We're getting opportunity to
see the Heisman, and those moments you can't you know,
put into you know, words, and so I'm just grateful
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that he had this opportunity to be able to share
that with his kids and his family.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But you guys were just going to a breakfast and
probably signing some memorabilia. Next thing you know, there's Reggie
and there's the Heisman.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
Yes, it was pretty shocking in the sense, I guess
I'll use that word again because we were there for
breakfast and we were getting ready to have a meeting,
and like ten minutes before the announcement came, Mike Comfort
came around and said, Hey, we got this article that's
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getting ready to go out about Reggie receiving this heusmand
back and we're gonna give it to him right now,
and he's on his way. So that was I was happy.
But they did a great job of keeping it concealed
from because no one in the room knew. Well, I
think the Heisman winners that were there they didn't know.
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I'm sure there's some others in the room that knew
about it, but we didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now, you're a boys varsity basketball coach. Do your kids
know that you have a Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They do, Okay, Yeah, you don't bring it to practice
or do anything like that just to remind them of
how great you were.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
No, they'm do any of that stuff. But you know,
we try to help them understand. I mean, they have
Google and all the different things, and we've been able
to give them some great experiences and other people from
the outside, you know, like Alan Houston when he was
in Tallahassee, he stopped by to talk to the guys.
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I've had Larry Johnson speak to them at one point,
be a Zoom and so just bringing back some old
friends to be able to share wisdom with them. They
so they understand and know.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Do you think if if we look back to when
you're playing football and basketball at Florida State, If I
if that was now and you were playing both, would
you have made the same decision to play basketball instead
of football?
Speaker 10 (30:00):
Would have been very tough decision. I played basketball and
football because I enjoyed playing both sports. And you know
the way I got into basketball in college was, you know,
Coach Bollen allowed me to go and play basketball my
second year in school. I was red shirting in football
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that year, and he had promised me when I was
being recruited that I could or go and play, that
I could play basketball in college, and so he was
a man to his word allowed me to go out
my second year that way I was. I was able
to establish myself as a basketball player, and so when
I came back from football the next few years, I
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was able to have a place because I had established myself.
So I don't know, it depends on the coach, but
being able to have that that year of establishing myself
as a basketball player was very key for me. And
I don't know if that's the would be the case today,
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but grateful that I came alone at the same time
around that time. But the difference is right now is
guys that are very similar to me as a football player,
they're getting drafted in the first round. Which was my
statement that I made coming out of college that if
I got drafted the first round, then I would play football,
but any other round, you know, I would consider my
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other options.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Austin Rivers sparked the debate of the NBA versus NFL
players in which side could play an the other sport,
and I know you didn't play in the NFL, but
having played in the NBA, what's your take on this.
Speaker 10 (31:37):
Well, I didn't play in the NFL, but I did
play in the NBA, and that was tough, especially during
my era, because it was very, very physical, which I
didn't mind, you know, playing with the Knicks during that time.
That's the way we practiced, That's the way we played.
But football is different as well. You know, have Us
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has his physicality points, especially during that time where they
didn't protect the quarterback and and so there are a
lot of things that are different today that weren't back
during that time. But you know, I heard the debate
with Austin and everybody was commenting on it. You know,
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when you're in a professional sport, I don't care what
sport that is, it's hard, you know, because everyone's competing,
everyone's doing, you know, putting it in time and effort
to be the best that they can be. And so
when you're talking about, you know, which board or athlete
is the best athlete? Uh, Athletics in general is hard.
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I mean, if you try to get in a race car,
you know we can do that. You know that that
takes a certain type of mentality, training all those things.
And people race car drivers are athletes, well get in
the race car. And so until you put yourself in
someone else's shoes, it's hard to say what who is
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the best?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Got a Michael Jordan's story for me before we say goodbye?
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Yes, doing our time with the Knicks. You know, there
was no layup rule, and every time someone went to
the basket, there was going to be a challenge in
some form of fashion where it was standing in front
of a guy or going and try to meet him.
And so Michael Jordan this time was going to the
basket and I decided that hey, maybe a good idea
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to try to go in block a shot again. Unfortunately
that time I got put on a poster and with
the fat lip. And then I always always.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Ask how many people have that story?
Speaker 10 (33:53):
So I'm just grateful to have great Michael Jordan stories
because that meant that I was. I was there in
the building.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
So you got a fat lip and he dunked on you,
Yes you did. But you know what, Michael doesn't have
a heisman, Charlie.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, Hey, great to talk to you. Good luck with
your team and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
Thanks I appreciate you having me on Dan again.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Charlie war Heisman Trophy winner now teaching high school basketball,
coaching high school basketball in Tallahassee. Yeah, it doesn't happen now.
Where you win a Heisman, chances are you're going to
get drafted, probably going to get drafted really high. But
Charlie didn't even get drafted coming out of Florida State.
And it's not like he wasn't playing against good competition.
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I just think his style of quarterback play probably wasn't
as readily acceptable at that time. All right, let me
take a break. We'll come back. We'll get to more
phone calls. The great comedian Bill Burr will stop buying
the final hour of the program. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
He's the popular Bill Burr and he's on tour. You
can find out more at Bill Burr dot com the
Bill burd Live Tour. Also, he's in Jerry Seinfeld's movie
on Frosted. He plays Jfka in there. How are you, Billy?
I'm doing all right? How are you decent? Decent? I
did wonder about this when I heard you were going
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to be on first thing I thought of was if
you were asked, would you have been on the dais
to roast Tom Brady?
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (35:41):
No, I wouldn't because because I feel like that's what
happened to him during his career. I don't think I
ever saw anybody achieve the level that he achieved while
getting all of this crap from an astoundingly cheating organization
in the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I think he's gotten enough crap. I mean, I mean,
I don't.
Speaker 11 (36:02):
I can't, Like, you can't even get into half the
stuff that the Colts were doing. I mean to have
your owners sitting on the competition committee and have them
make the way we cover their receivers illegal, and then
you steal our offense. You can win a Super Bowl
where you have like crowd noise when Tom's on the
field and it's like skipping and you have to shut
it off. I mean, have you ever heard of an
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owner of the losing team conducting an independent investigation and
it's upheld Like shouldn't Roger Goodell be like, don't go.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Over my head.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
I conduct the I conduct, and all of it was upheld.
So like, I think that guy's gotten enough. I'm like
trying to think of like people on his level, like
the Jeters, the Jordans and all of them. People are like,
oh my god, this isn't this amazing? And Tom's whole time,
they're like weighing footballs. And even ESPN they made up
(36:55):
that crap about us filming a practice and then we
proved that it wasn't true and they retracted it on
Twitter at like two in the morning. So I had
no interest in giving this guy any more crap than
he did. And then all the ugly bastards out there
were all excited when his marriage went south because they
can't even approach the local hobby in a towny bar
and it makes them feel better, you know. And Peyton
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looks like a number two pencils, so nobody felt intimidated
by him.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
And that was basically It's.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
Just so it's just like, all right, let's have a
bunch of people go out there and make fun of
the fact that his marriage crumbled. I mean, I don't
want to do that. This is gonna be this could
have been.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Your bed, you could have gotten up there and been
the anti Tom Brady roaster.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
Well, you know what, they asked me to do it
a couple of years ago, and when they first were
gonna do it, and I was editing a movie and
I just didn't have time. And then this time through
they didn't ask me, and I was really all right
with that.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Is there anything off limits though?
Speaker 11 (37:57):
In like a roast used to be, Yeah, they used
to be rules, but it used to be your friends
that roasted you. So the rules used to be, like
you don't make fun of somebody that's not there or
that isn't going to go up and get a chance
to get you, and uh yeah. And then and also
(38:18):
I think the vibe used to be different where they
used to be because you knew the person, you felt
the love of the friendship. Now it's just sort of
like mercenary style.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
So it's gone. You know.
Speaker 11 (38:31):
It's like kind of like music, it keeps like progressing,
Like you start off with like Black Sabbath and then
you end up with like death metal, these guys.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Singing like that. I mean, it just kind of goes
that way.
Speaker 11 (38:42):
So I feel like the roast is is uh, I
mean it was, it was great roast. I'm not not
trashing or anything, but like they used to, I don't.
I don't know that there are rules anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Your mood going into a stand up when you're playing
a crowd. Is there a difference if you're in a
good mood when you go on stage or if you're
in a bad mood?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, especially if your material what you're talking about,
let's just say the classic, you know, men and women
type of thing.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
If you're not in a good mood, it starts to
sound like you.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
Really mean whatever you're saying about men or women, and
then you just you've just come off like you hate
men or women. But if you do it more if
you're in a good mood, if it comes off like silly,
is uh? I feel like that's the place you want
to be throughout your whole act. Even if you're talking
about something really heavy and you're actually saying something truthful,
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logical about it, you have to, you know, if you
want people to keep listening, you got to be silly.
Like when I was coming up, there was this period
where there was this big badge of Bonner where these
comedians were walking the crowd.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
That dude he was on. When he gone on stage,
it was two hundred people. By the time he was done,
there was only twelve.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
And that meant like, you know, you with some sort
of badass because no, you know, most comics are afraid
of bombing. So if you could stand there and have
everybody leave and still say it like you want to.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
And I just think that was dumb.
Speaker 11 (40:12):
I was like, well, once they leave, the funds over,
you know, like the fun is saying something they don't
want to hear, but you do it in a way
that makes them stay to hear the next sting, so
you can keep having fun with them. Once they leave,
the game's over. And then you just sort of left
with like ten twelve people that just agree with you,
like an echo chamber, and that gets like like we
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used to call it clapter or they don't laugh, they
just yeah, they start doing that.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
That's like the worst worst place ever to be. I feel.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
How do you feel about comedians who work blue and
those who don't? And the reason why I bring this
up If I'm watching the roast, it felt like every
third word was the F word, and I don't know
where you stand with that and incorporating that in your.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
Act I think there's merit and saying that sometimes it's
easier to work blue. I think it's like anything. It's
like drinking. You know, you have one martini at the
end of the day, it's no big deal. You start
having like six, it's a problem. So it's kind of
like that. But there was this whole adage when I
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came up that like people that worked clean were true
comedians and were better than the guys that were blue.
But and I bought into that for a minute, and
I used to work clean, and but I also realized
that working clean didn't just mean not swearing. It meant
not having any sort of unpopular opinion about something, not
bringing up subjects. So it was sort of like like
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the audiences or comedy purists who aren't comedians, which is
funny to me, their idea of working clean was not
just not cursing. It was up there going like isn't
it funny that we came up with the shirt? What's
up with the shirt? And they're like that's real comedy,
blah blah.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Like like being like that's safe.
Speaker 11 (42:08):
But I mean you could comment on on you know,
Israel and Palestine and not curse, And that same person
would say that you know that you were like an
outrage and blah blah blah. You know, obviously if you
went against whatever side they're on over there. And so
I try to, you know, the same way with like
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my cigar smoking, like my cursing my act. I try
to make sure that I'm not using it as like peds,
you know what I mean, take sort of.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Right up my act.
Speaker 11 (42:37):
But I also really believe that you should be who
you are when you're on stage, and that honesty is
the funnier thing. So, like, one of the things I
like is when people tell me they listen to my comedy,
they feel like they're talking to one of their friends
in a bar or something like that. And that's I mean,
I'm not a big reader, Dan, so I mean, that's
pretty much your way.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Bill Burr. You can go to a bill dot com
to find the location nearest you. He was also in
Jerry Seinfeld's Netflix film Unfrosted. I just had somebody send
me a clip when you were on Breaking Bad, and
that's when somebody was writing a check. You were waiting
for them to write the check. What do you remember
about being on being asked to be on Breaking Ben, Well.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Since you brought that scene up.
Speaker 11 (43:24):
What I loved about that scene was I finally got
to play I finally got to do something dramatic and
with all of this humor underneath it, because there was
something really funny about me standing next to Lavelle Crawford.
For those of you guys didn't see it, He's a
giant black guy. I'm this skinny, pasty white guy. And
you know the way it's written on the page, my
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character is saying all this tough guy stuff. But you know,
I was thinking about the scene. It's like we're in
the suburbs, it's during the day, somebody's home next door.
The last thing I want is for this to be
a problem. And I got this great visual and intimidation
next to me, so I don't need to be tough.
I'll just approach this as a business thing. And there
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was only a couple of moments where I had to
kind of lean in, get a little sinister to kind
of urge him to sign that check. And the writing
on the show was so good that you could have
like like like emotions, you know, all the way up
to the top floor on anything that they wrote. And
(44:25):
I was a huge fan of the show. I watched
it from the literally the pilot episode. There was something
about the billboard that captured me. So I think I
got on the show because I was one of the
first actors out here asking my agent.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
If he could get me on the show.
Speaker 11 (44:39):
So before the whole town was asking, I got in
quickly and they saw me read, they go, okay, can
I go put a pin in him?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
And something comes up.
Speaker 11 (44:48):
I also think they like stand up because there was
a lot of comedians, you know Lavelle, you know, Bob
oden Kirk, and even when they did Better Call Saul,
a friend Joe to Rosa.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Got on that show.
Speaker 11 (45:01):
And so I think there was a bunch of things
that came together in a good way for me to
finally not play the redhead guy.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, your hair looked pretty good back then. You had
some nice moss at the time.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Oh did I I wasn't. I think by that it
was I was. I was losing the roof pretty good.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
When you got famous, when do you cash in on
being famous to meet sports heroes?
Speaker 5 (45:27):
Oh? Never, I don't do that. I don't do that.
I always looking like, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 11 (45:32):
Somebody was talking about the Beastie Boys right going County
believe how long goes? MCA died and they said, you
know what's crazy? Ago, I was in Denver one time
and I stayed at the same hotel as them. When
I was at the hotel, gym and MCA came walking
in and it was just me and just him, and
I looked at him. He saw me recognizing him, and
I thought to myself, you know what my gift to
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this guy is, for all this break music is I'm
not going to say anything to him, and I'm just
gonna let him work out. So I look at it like,
you know those guys, those athletes, I mean they they they,
I mean NBA athletes, they work on Christmas, NFL, they
work on Thanksgiving. Do they really need me coming up
and being that, Hey, I hate to do this? Can
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I can I get a picture?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I just like, but if Larry Bird walked into the room,
you walked into a room and Larry Birds there, what's
your game?
Speaker 11 (46:24):
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that wants
somebody coming up to him.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
So I'm not doing that. I will tell you this.
Oh my god. I went to Uh, my wife wanted
to go to a Lakers game.
Speaker 11 (46:34):
I'm a Celtis game play a fan, so I hate
the Lakers and uh but I will say I feel
bad for Laker fans that they literally they went from
the Forum that had this amazing sound now to Staples Center.
The DJ literally plays the whole game. It's like you're
at a backyard barbecue or something. The game is like
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secondary to the everybody clapped your hands every five seconds.
It's like, and I cheer when something happened and not
when this radio check DJ tells me what to do.
So we're in the We're in like the forum club,
whatever the hell they call it a Staples Center and
Kareem abdul Jubar comes walking in. Now he famously does
not want people to come up to him. My wife
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is like starstruck. She goes, can can we go over?
I said no, no, no, no, don't go over to
that guy. Don't go over that guy.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
He doesn't want people approaching him.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
So of course some lady comes walking up to him
and catches him in the right moment and takes a
quick picture. And my wife's going go talk to him,
and I'm going, oh no. So I went up to
him and he had mentioned me one time in some
article he wrote. I said, hey, Kareem, Hey, I'm a comedian.
You mentioned me one time and something you wrote, and
I was gonna say, I can my wife get a
picture with you.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
I didn't even get to that.
Speaker 11 (47:47):
I go, you wrote you wrote something about me, and
he wasn't even looking at me. He just goes I did,
and I was like, oh no, and I gotta be
honest with you. I felt bad. I felt bad right
like the second quarter.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Not for me. I felt bad. Fam.
Speaker 11 (48:04):
I was like this, all this guy does is get bumped,
and I just became another one of those people doing
that to him.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
So were you mad at you?
Speaker 5 (48:13):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Were you mad at your wife?
Speaker 5 (48:17):
No?
Speaker 11 (48:17):
But I was actually surprised because she's not into sports
the way I am. So I was excited to see
her be excited for this athlete to see him, and
you know, I mean, it's exciting enough for me just
to see him. And what I love about all of
those old school Lakers is I hated them when they played,
and now I love them, Like now I can sit
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back now and just look at and I remember when
like the Lakers were the first ones to drink Champagne.
I think the only ones in the Boston garden.
Speaker 5 (48:46):
I remember when Kareem hit that shot.
Speaker 11 (48:48):
He went like that when he went down the court,
and I was yelling, f you at the TV. Now
I look at it, I was just like, that's an
amazing thing that they did. And I was like, well,
like Michael Cooper when you watch him on the local
sports out here in LA, the level of hatred he
still has for the Celtics because that was like, now
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they're all seemed like their friends and they bounce it
around the league. But back then, if you were a Laker,
you were a Lake. If you were a Celtic, you
are a Celtic. And I still think my favorite NBA
team of all time was the eighty three seventy six Ers,
who I would put up against the ninety six Bulls.
I mean, I got Moses underneath against Luke Longley. I'll
take that. And I think doctor j can neutralize enough
(49:33):
of what Jordan's gonna do. And good lord, if Andrew
Tony heat it up, I think he could he could
match Scotty Pip.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
I mean, being an unbelievable series.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I was in the garden when Magic hit the sky Hook.
I was covering that, Yeah, for CNN, I was there,
and I remember going into the locker room and they
had the champagne and that locker room was worse than
any junior high locker room that I'd ever been in,
Like there was no accommodations whatsoever. But I just remember
(50:04):
Magic hitting that shot and just the garden couldn't believe
that somebody on the other team is going to hit
a shot like that, and of all people, when you say, hey,
a Skyhook's going to end this and it's Magic, who
does that?
Speaker 5 (50:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (50:22):
I actually think that that whole era is what influenced
the super teams now. I think that that because that
became so successful and they passed NFL football in the
level of popularity. I believe that when Burn Magic were
getting older, then they had Jordan, and then when Jordan left,
I think that they were like, what is our brand now?
(50:43):
So I think that they they liked those things, and
I think that they thought that does it only work
in New York and LA And once it worked in
Miami and then it worked in Golden State. Now it's like, oh,
it doesn't matter, we just have to have like you know,
these a bunch of teams pilot up, like like what
happened last year with the Nuggets, I think was the
best thing that happened for the NBA for a while
(51:05):
where it was like it, you know, I like the
Spurs that that Pistons team or in the early two
thousands was a good one, like I like.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
And and with watching like how scary a the Timberwolves.
Speaker 11 (51:16):
Yeah, I mean just watching those guys, I like, I
liked it more back then. I mean there would be
like a blockbuster trade, but like this whole thing where
you're just sitting, you know, piling on and getting championships
and they're like, all right, well Jordan has six, this
guy has five.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Is it the same? It's like, no, dude, it's it's not.
It's it's different. It's different.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Where's the next tour stop?
Speaker 11 (51:41):
I got a Columbus Ohio, then I go to Nashville,
and then I'm I'm somewhere in North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (51:49):
So that's gonna be. That's a really fun tour. Great
people on all of all of those stops. I get
to tease Ohio State fans they're always crying every year
could lose six games and still present an argument of
why they should be in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Great to catch up with you and uh safe travels,
good luck with.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
You all right, thank you Dan, all right, buddy.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
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