May 22, 2024 • 50 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to MLB Tonight winning the Sports Emmy in our category. Should we just apply for a Daytime Emmy? NBA Hall of Famer Reggie Miller makes his weekly appearance to recap Game 1 of Pacers-Celtics and shares his reaction to the chants about him by Knicks fans. Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio discusses whether he expects to see NIL collectives impact the NFL.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's our one on this Wednesday. Morale is high, Dan
and the dan 's Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have
you on board. You're watching on Peacock or listening on
our radio affiliates around the country. Come on in, stay
awhile need an excuse not to go to work today,
I'm your excuse a doctor's note. I'll be happy to
write one for you. Tailgate Moonshine. We sold out first come,
(00:24):
first serve watermelon and azalea. We have a couple of
bottles of salted caramel available, very limited inventory at Danpatrick
dot Com. Stat of the Day brought to you by
Panini America, the official trading cards of this program. All right,
got to play the day stat of the Day poll question.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Coming up, we'll recap Pacers Celtics. Last night went into overtime,
and tonight it'll be the Mavericks at the Timberwolves. Reggie
Miller will join us. He'll be on the call for
that game. He'll join us next hour. Panther's at the
Rangers game one coming up tonight as well. Eight seven
seven three DP Show operator Tyler sitting by. Take your
(01:03):
phone calls email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handle. The
TP Show First Hour brought to you by tire rackt
dot com The Way Tire Buying Should Be The official
tire expert of the Dan Patrick Show. Go to tirec
dot com slash Dan The Tire Decision God got you
hooked up? Full lineup of Perrelli tire special offers, free
(01:24):
road hazard protection, mobile tire installation, tireract dot com. The
Way Tire Buying Should Be. All Right, it was giveaway
last night last night in Boston. That's exactly what the
Pacers did. They gave it away, Boston ends up with
the win. It's one of those Boston didn't win it
as much as the Pacers did lose it. And it's
(01:45):
like you back into a win, you're up five, you
got the game ninety seven percent chance of winning winning
Game one.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I said, if I was betting, I would have taken
the Pacers money line. Straight up. They were going to
beat the cell Celtics. Then they go into overtime and
then Jason Tatum takes over. He wasn't good in the
fourth quarter. He was good in the first three, and
then they went into overtime. You had the opportunity, you
had some questionable coaching decisions, or at least you're supposed
(02:16):
to do this, or you should do this, or don't
do that, and you could check the box on all
of them. Now if I said, are you more likely
to see this go five games now or more likely
than hey? The Pacers went toe to toe, didn't play
their best game, and they took them to overtime in Boston?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How about five games? Seven games?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You're taking six off the board.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm taking six off because there's going to be a
gentleman's sweep, which is five games or man. The Pacers
they showed me something. Boston showed me they were Boston
occasionally five or seven?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Todd?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
What about us safe?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Middle of the road guys like myself up and wanting
that six in there?
Speaker 6 (03:01):
You just won't you won't, Bud.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna make you make a choice. Todd,
you normally don't like to do that.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I'm gonna go seven games.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I was impressed with what Indiana did until the end there.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Seaton five or seven?
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Safe? Is that your Kardashian I don't really trust the song.
I'm gonna say seven is that your Kardashian invitation. Is
that what the Oh no, it's the tail end. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
You start off every day, it's sort of you start
off strong and then you trail off at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I'll be top Marvin smarter Marvin five or seven five?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Paul, I'm not sure I believe this, but seven seven,
hopeful seven, an unrealistic five or a hopeful seven. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's what it is. It sounds like me at the
bars in college.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I wanna you were hoping for a seven, but you
ended up with a five.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Hey, you know what, nothing wrong with a nice five.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hey, I was just.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Glad to be in the playoffs. Yes, I mean it's
like getting singles. I got eliminated early, but that's okay.
Be like, oh man, hih And you know what, when
I was in college and you have acne and you
see the woman staring at your acne, like not even
make an eye contact, it's like you got a zip
without saying that, then you're like, you know, kind of
(04:29):
oblivious to it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
At our bar in college, the main one went to
at the end of the night when they did last call,
they would bring the lights up and sometimes oh yeah,
Oh what am I doing here? What have I gotten into?
And maybe the other person was saying that about me?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yes, yeah, I was somebody slumpbuster and somebody was my slumpbuster. Yeah, okay,
AnyWho just getting started here? Uh? So are we gonna
do five games or seven games? As the pole question
first hour? Do you have another one?
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Of course we have memy. Uh well, we could say
ask last night the piecers showed us a glimpse or
the best Oh did they show us a glimpse of
what the series is gonna be like?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Or is that? Was that their best shot?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And they blew it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know what, this is just wishful reporting here, wishful thinking.
I hope we see a competitive series. I mean, Boston
is a better team, but you know what, it took
a team effort for them to win. She had Tatum
who did well, Jalen Brown and Drew Holliday. So you
got one who scores thirty six, one who scores twenty eight,
(05:41):
one who scores twenty six, and you have to go
into overtime on your home court. Now you can say, well,
were they two rested?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The pacer is still in that competitive mode after going
seven with the Knicks. But this is the first time
in NBA history three players from this same team had
at least twenty five points and three steals in a
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Stell of a day, stall of a day, Statuta day,
scant outa day. This is the Stele of the Day.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Also the second time in the last thirty years three
Celtics have scored at least twenty six points in a
playoff game. The only other time was twenty eighteen Terry Rozier,
Jason Tatum and of course Al Horford.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That was when they beat the seventy six ers.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You know, the inbounds pass, ten seconds to go, you know,
trying to foul Jalen Brown before he takes the three. Like,
there were just moments there where you go, just one
of those things and you win. Get the ball inbounds,
or call a time out, advance the ball to half court.
There were just moments there After the game. Tyrese Haliburton
(06:58):
had this to say about the coaching.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
Tyrese Rick in his comments up there, took what he
said was full blame for not calling time out to
advance the ball with about ten seconds left.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's not us as players.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
We have to do a better job.
Speaker 9 (07:16):
I had two turnovers that I feel like cost us
the game won in fourth and one in overtime. So
you know, I know, I understand he's protecting us, protecting
uh you know me as well. But I'll take that
more than more than he should. I got to be
better and I will be better in Game two and
we'll respond the right way.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And he's right. Rick Carlisle's doing what you want your
coach to do.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Hey, this is on me. No, it's the guys on
the floor. But this you know, Tyrese Haliburton's in the
postseason for the first time in his career. They don't
have that guy where you go. Man, he's the grizzled vet.
Now you can say TJ McConnell, but he's not your
starting point guard. Siakam won a title in Toronto. But
you can prepare for these moments until you're in those
(08:00):
moments and you're going, well, all we have to do
is get the ball inbounds. Until you can't get the
ball inbounds. Now what happens. You got a time out?
Take the time out. Hey, if Jalen Brown nobody's taking
the three, that means we'll give up a two. Nobody's
getting a three on us. Let's crowd the three point line.
(08:21):
Obvious things you're watching. I'm screaming and I'm going he's
gonna get He's gonna he made the three. Give credit
though they they did what they needed to do. They
tried to give it away and Indiana should have grabbed that.
And imagine what we would be saying today if Indiana one,
because we would look at Jason Tatum is not playing
(08:41):
well in the fourth quarter and they wasted a golden
opportunity of three guys scoring at least twenty six points
at home. Mike breen had a great call on the
three pointer last night, had.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Him trying to get free throw it in the corner.
Brown fakes, fires up the three.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Tyler Browns down the bree to tie the game.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Time out Indiana.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Double banger there from Brenie. Did Breeney win the Sports
Emmy last night? I believe so.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think he did.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Also Greg Olsen from Fox when I was Sports Emmy,
we'll talk about that coming up. And if you're wondering
the show that denied us the opportunity to be nominated
for a Sports Emmy. Baseball MLB tonight ended up winning
the Sports Ever. No, no, no, you might be I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm not either. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't want to be a sore loser. I love
to be a winner. I I'd love to be a
sore winner. But it's about time like it up there
to be a sore winner. Yeah, you should have voted
Force before.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Man open bar I confirmed.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, good for you guys, Yeah, yeah, really happy for you.
Then I looked at the page of everybody who gets
his Sports Emmy with MLB tonight. There's got to be
sixty people that work on that show.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
How many of them were working at a bait store
four years ago?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, Dylan was, you know, isn't it amazing though?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
That?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, the big German is trying to get people to
help build out our man cave. He goes into a
bait store, a fishing store, and he sees Dylan, and
he hears this guy, Hey, he might lose his job
here at the bait store. Maybe he could help you
run cable. So the big German hires Dylan to run cable,
(10:55):
and then he eventually is getting us breakfast, and then
all of a sudden he moves up ladder. So now
he's doing graphics here. I don't think he's ever done
graph He never worked in TV.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's actually a more common career arc in television than
people realize. That fishing store running cable graphics.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That happens.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And one of the hosts of the gambling show, Yeah,
of course, I mean Marvin. Marvin was running cable here
as well. You were a crew guy.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I was here for the building, yes.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And all of a sudden, I go, uh, I don't know,
can Marvin stick around? We need somebody to help answer calls?
And so then he started there and then he's here
for a while. Mcleven leaves, Marvin sits in the chair. Crazy.
There's only twelve of us. But if you look at
the page of all these shows that were up against,
there's like sixty people work on these shows.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
One more deserving than the other, you know, Yes.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Paul, with our mentality, if we own a fishing boat,
we go to the local communications school to get deckhands.
You know, that's that's we will take them from antially.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, whatever it takes. We're scrappy. Good for you guys. Yeah,
we're really happy for mlbby night. Yeah, and you're you're
sixty people who work on the show. We're really really
happy for it. Yes, I gotta admit though I'm happier.
Well not really, but it is awkward when you're there
at the ceremony and you lose and there's a handful
(12:25):
of winners walking around and dozens of losers walking and
they're all like that we won.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Big smiles and everybody else I got screw you, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, everybody's carrying their emmy around and then they PLoP it,
PLoP it down at the table when you're you know,
having your ordures after you've lost.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
The winners should go into a separate area and never
be seen again and just let the rest of us
losers all sit in there, sit out in the lobby
together like ah, well whatever, MLB and I one again.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Of course they did.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
They should have a restaurant for winners and then a
restaurant bar area for losing.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
They head go to the VIP winner yeah, but don't
come back here with the rest of us.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
But you would have like somber music over here while
you'd be hearing these people celebrating next door, yelling and
screaming yes Todd.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Great.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And then as soon as the winner in your categories announced,
you see the loser slowly stand up.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Excuse me. I know.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
The winners don't go up. The losers just leave all.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
I just went forget it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What is bad is when somebody who wins and they're
in your aisle or in your row.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Oh had that?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Excuse me, pardon me, excuse me, and you're up for
the same award and you want to trip them. And
then Costas would go excuse me, pardon me, excuse me.
You know what, They eventually put Bob right on the aisle.
I gotta start sitting on the aisle. No, but they
eventually put Bob Costas on the aisle because I mean,
Bob's gonna win, let's just make it his path of
(13:59):
least resistance up there.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think our first year, they scattered us all over
our seats. We just took whatever sea we could, and
I sit next to these two guys from NBC who
I did not know their producer types, and they win,
like the third category. They spent the whole night sitting there.
He had it right next to me on his lap,
that big am me.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And it's okay, it's always next year. Come on ton.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Sometimes you read into the seating it's like, wait, I'm
a little closer to the.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Stage than last year.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Maybe this is the year they don't want me to
have a long walk away from the rafters.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Maybe this is the one No.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
One year I sat on the aisle. I am on
this aisle, and right across from me is Bob Man.
Bob ended up winning the sports Sevy that because I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I'm right on the aisle.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Okay, easy access, you know something. Yeah, I'm not going
to spend a lot of time walking waiting for me
to get up there. And then all of a sudden
it's like and the winner is. And then you start
to lean out of your chair just.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
To just is Bob Costers.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then you just drop back down and you're like,
all right, Bobby, before you glad something went well for
you in this business.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, just getting started here.
Speaker 10 (15:06):
Come on, get up, get up, we get to do this.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yes, did you give it a money?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Sign to the people that bet on the air.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Like the committee, I'm Rudy Gobert. When it comes to
tell you, Bob, how much of this one call? Well,
there have been networks accused of kind of uh helping
massage the voters against a break here, we should take
(15:38):
a break. Absolutely got a pull question, I have a
play of the day, stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
All of that coming.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm Reggie Miller in an hour from now back after
this Dan Patrick show.
Speaker 11 (15:50):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f s
R to listen live. Pollie Fusco here with Tony Fusco.
You know, as the host of the number one rated
Paully and Tony Fusco show, we get tons and tons
of fan mail every day.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Piles of it.
Speaker 11 (16:10):
In fact, Tony, why don't you open up one of
those letters right now and read what's inside?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Heay, listen to this. Dear Paulie and Tony, your sports
takes the dumbest and most terribly that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Wait, why open this other one?
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Dear Paulie and Tony, you suck more than anyone.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Wait try this one.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Dear Paulie and Tony, you guys are the absolute best.
There you go coming up with the stupidest take.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Forget it, Just listen to the Paully and Tony Fusco
show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, Reggie Miller on the call. Western Conference Finals starts tonight.
It'll be in Minnesota. Tip off time eight thirty Eastern.
Kevin Harlan, Stan Van Gundhill. Only LaForce will be on
the call with Reggie. Did you hear what Marvin had
to say about you, Reggie a couple minutes ago.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I did not enlighten me right.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, should Marvin summarize this because it feels like he's
changing his story here of comparing Al Horford to Reggie
Miller when it comes to career greatness.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yes, Pauline, I'll try to be objective here. We were
talking about Drew Holliday and how he might be in
the Hall of Very Good like a couple All Star appearances,
and then we got into Al Horford. Dan, you said,
Al Horford's on the cusp of the Hall of Fame.
I think he's going to be a Hall of Famer,
And Marvin said.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
Al Horford has as many All Star appearances as Reggie Miller,
which is crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I you shouldn't say it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
You were just it felt like he were bringing Reggie
down to earth, oh little bit.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
Oh no, no, no, I'm forty. I'm old enough to remember
Reggie when he played.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
All right, how many times have you been compared to
Al Horford in your life?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Regie?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I think this may be a first gentleman body of
resume for Al. I think his longevity and what he
has done with Theorapa Hawks, and obviously with the Celtics
being able to guard one through five. You saw a
lot of those switches in that Paser series. He does
(18:18):
a little bit of everything. An he's selfless.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So he won two national titles in college.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Remember now, people, that's included into the Basketball Hall of Fame.
People just think it's about your body of work in
the NBA. No, it's college as well, two rings where
he was the leader of that team, him and Joe
ky Noah along with Corey Brewer. That was a three
headed monster with Billy Donovan at the rains. Two national championship.
(18:46):
So I agree with you, Theodore, and I think it'd
be icing on the cake if the Celtics go on
to win a championship. I think it solidifies his chances
of getting into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
All right, Marvin Game on the line. You want Al
Horford taking a shot. Regie, this is a tough one.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
But by the skin of my teeth, I'm gonna say, Ray,
By the skin of my.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Teeth, I was worried about your basketball knowledge there, Marv.
Speaker 10 (19:15):
I will never dish.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Now it's starting to make sense why we keep losing
these sports. I mean, we know who the weak link
is now, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Wow Wow, And all along we thought it was Fritzy.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You you Marvin, all right, how do you explain the
last ninety seconds with the Pacers last night?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Well, let me just say this. If you're a Pacer fan,
and certainly I am one of them, this has to sting.
This is a gut punch because look, and I've heard
Rick Hall all come out postgame. This loss is on me.
Number one. Yes, you should have called the time out.
(19:59):
I know they had one time out out. You should
have used it. You advanced the ball, then you have
the whole court to inbound it, your front court as
well as the back court. You get the ball in,
you play the free throw game. Okay, so you don't
call timeout, that's fine. Another thing I would have done.
I would have got TJ McConnell in the game gotten
Miles Turner out, so I would have had Halliburton, Niece Smith, Nimhard, TJ,
(20:25):
and Pascal Siakam on the floor. That's your speed unit.
So I would have had TJ McConnell taking the ball
out right, and then I would have told TJ. Your
first look, your second look. If you don't have it,
then you call that last time out. Then you would
have advanced it and then hopefully you get the ball in.
So those are two things didn't happen. Turnover happens. Here's
(20:48):
another thing I would have done. Okay, So the ball
is underneath the Celtics basket. Tyre's Halliburton is guarding Drew
Holliday taking the ball out. If you remember the play,
I tell Tyree's Halliburton, you've got to keep your left
foot on the baseline and make sure Drew Holiday throws
(21:09):
the ball to your right, either to the top of
the key or to the corner where you can see everything.
There's no way Holliday has the vision to pass it
through to Jalen Brown on the weak side if you
have your foot on the corner. What Halliburton was doing
and rightfully so they call this shadowy. He was shadowing,
(21:33):
looking behind to see where Jason Tatum was, because you
assume Jason Tatum, the number one option for the Celtics,
is going to get the basketball. So he was shadowing him,
trying to see where Tatum was, which he was behind
him and kind of coming to the ball. But that's
where you wanted the ball to go anyways. So there
was a series of mistakes. It's a gut punch. It's
(21:57):
very difficult to come back from this. But remember this
is kind of how the Pacers lost Game one to
New York in the first round and finally found a
way to win that series. But Theodore, you know, you've
seen a lot of games, and I've been a part
of situations like this. It's very just difficult when you
(22:18):
give games away in the playoffs to get them back.
And the Celtics are much different than the Knicks. They're
not battered in bruise, they're fully healthy, and they've got
guys that can absolutely go get it. This is tough.
I'll be curious to see how they rebound in Game two.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Mentally, Theodore, Okay, if I shed more likely to go
five games or seven games, now.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Ah man, it's can't I split the middle of the six.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Nope, we take six off the board.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Look as much as I would love my love the
Pacers to go seven in this, you've got to be real.
You're going against a team with the best record. You've
got two All Stars and Tatum and Brown, you've got
two All time second team defenders, and Derek White drew
a holiday.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Five.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I would say five because of the gut punch. And
this reminds me and PAULI you may look this up.
This reminds me of Larry Johnson's four point play in
ninety nine. The series was tied one to one Game
three in the Garden, Larry Johnson's four point play. We
had that game, we felt, we all remember that they
(23:40):
go up to one. People tend to forget. We came
back and won Game four the next game in the Garden,
to even the series. But that taste and that feels,
it's still stung. And we lost the next two and
we lost to the Knickson six. That's why I'm saying
it stays with you. If we would have won that
Game three, we won Game four, you'd have been up
(24:02):
three to one, having to win one more. That's why
I'm saying you can't give games away. And I've been
in that locker room. I know how it feels when
you when you gift wrapped a game. They gift wrapped
it that game one and a game one they needed mentally.
But again I want to see how they react in
game two. But to answer your questions, and I'm sorry
(24:25):
I would say five because.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It hurts talking to Reggie Millner, Hall of Famer, on
the call tonight. It's Game one in Minnesota. Kevin Harlan's
stan Van gundhi Alli Lafor's tip off is at eight
point thirty Eastern. This game, this series, I should say,
will come down to what or whom.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I think Karl Anthony Towns for Minnesota, how he played
in Game seven is going to happen. He has to
play that way at both ends of the floor. One
staying out of foul trouble because if he stays out
of foul trouble, he is so valuable for Minnesota what
he does at both ends of the floor. And I
(25:07):
think he's accepted obviously Anthony Edwards being that guy right,
So there's not as much pressure on Cat anymore. And
I think for Dallas, PJ. Washington was so great for
Dallas in that mid season pickup and what he did
in that OKC Thunder series at both ends of the floor.
(25:31):
You know what you're gonna get from Luca and Kyrie.
But PJ. Washington average nineteen points, I believe in that
series and in that deciding in Game six, really didn't
do anything until the last three or four minutes of
that game. Two big threes, the big free throws down
the stretch, but to me, his lockdown defense. So two
(25:51):
guys that are like complimentary parts, Karl Anthony Towns from Minnesota,
PJ Washington, those two are gonna have to play well
and consistent for each of their ball clubs to be
successful in this series.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
If we went to the playground and Luca showed up
and Anthony Edwards showed up, just looking at him, you
had no idea anything about him, and then we're warming up,
who would you take first?
Speaker 6 (26:22):
I would still take Anthony Edwards? Yeah yeah, And as
great and good and fantastic as Luca is, give me
that do that twenty two year old.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Wait wait, I'm just talking playground now. If I said,
for the rest of their career, you can have Aunt
or you can have Luca I.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Think, well, Luca's going to have the numbers. He's going
to have the triple doubles and the points and all that.
So statistically, Luca will have the numbers. But if you're
just telling me all the playground, we're at Rucker and
there they both are standing, I'm going with Anthony Edwards.
But in terms of the body of work and the
numbers and all that, Luca will have that at the
(27:03):
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Did you ever go to a playground and they didn't
know who you were?
Speaker 6 (27:11):
I mean once I was professional.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, let's say college, not really no, okay no, but
like if you went to Rutger Park.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I would love to go to Rutger Park. I might
get chased out of run, but I would love to
go to Ruck.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well, what was it like being in the garden and
you know, the Pacers your team, and then Halliburton wears
a hoodie at a press conference with I mean you,
I just.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Say something, people, I didn't play in the series New Yorkers.
Why are y'all dragging me? I didn't play in the series.
How am I a part of all this? I came
to do Game two because that was asked of me.
My boss has said, we want you doing this game.
We all have losses, right Theodore, I can't say no,
(28:06):
call the game down the middle? How am I dragged in?
So like I'm out there playing Game seven?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I just love that Josh Hart comes over to tell
you what the fans are chanting, as if you couldn't
hear it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I mean, he goes, hey, rerech. They're they're saying.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Fu, oh, gude, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh is that what they're saying?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Oh? Look, I expected that too. I understand that there's.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
A long you're in their hand, you're in their hand.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
But here they just like in Godfather, just when I
thought I was out, they they pulled me back in
and my boys from Indiana. Thank you by young boys.
They handle their business in Game seven and we move on.
Can you I wasn't playing in the series, guys, I'm
(29:00):
fifty eight years old. I had nothing to do with
the series.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
The Knicks could have used you.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
The Knicks canna use it. Our shooting I've seen shoot.
The Knicks could have used us. Oh man, that's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Can you feel for them?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Can you go into the Basketball Hall of Fame based
solely on a college career as a player. Now what
I'm getting at is Christian Laitner's not in the Basketball
Hall of Fame one of the top five ten college
basketball players of all time.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm guessing, Well, there's the.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Answer to your question. No, but I do believe he's
in the college Basketball Hall of Fame. But no, I
don't think he will be in the Naysmith Basketball Hall
of Fame because his NBA resume isn't like it was
in college. So no, But for instance, Grant Hill, Grant
Hill was on his way to becoming one of the
(30:00):
all time great NBA players before the ankle injury, right,
you know, so he had a small slither of NBA success, correct,
because he was on his way to becoming the faith
of the NBA. He had won I believe, was it
two or three at Duke? Did he win two championships
or three? Championship?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Went two?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Okay, So he won two at Duke. So he had
the college basketball resume. He was on his way to
becoming one of the greats in the NBA. That's why
he's in the Nasmith Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Light's Hall. He had Latner's Hall of Famer. Latner's a
Hall of Famer. It's your basketball career. It's the Naysmith
Basketball Hall of Fame. They don't differentiate between it, you know,
college and the pros. It's your collective body of work.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
There.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
College coaches go in. So is is Latner to college basketball?
What you know Jim Beheim is to coaching in college basketball?
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Is in?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes, So why isn't Latner?
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I think they are probably disregarding his NBA do to
your service, Hey, he wasn't. How many How many years
did he How many years did he play in the league?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He played like twelve thirteen years, Paul? How long did
Latner play in the NBA?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
He played?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
He played fifteen seasons, fourteen seasons. He did make one
All Star Game.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Can make an argument. You can make an argument because
he's certainly one of the top you said five. I
would say he's one of the top five college players
of all time.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes, if it was, if it was the NBA Hall
of Fame, then no, he's not kidding it. But it's
the Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
You make a strong argument.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Can you tell the story of college basketball without Christian Laitner?
Speaker 6 (31:56):
No, you cannot, Okay, you cannot.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So I think al Horford's going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
We believe Al Horford is definitely going in.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I do, yeah, And he's been on as many All
Star teams as you.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yes, Drew Holliday going into no Basketball.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Hall of very good rech.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I think Drew Holiday, at the end of the day,
will have a resume a lot like Joe Dumars.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, but I don't think we looked at Drew Holliday
as the best player on his team. Like, how many
times did you ever look at well, he was the
second best player on his team. Yeah, you had Isaiah
and then you had Joe.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Oh, you had a young Rod.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Joe had to guard Mike.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I mean, yes, Drew Holiday is doing We're seeing the
value of Drew Holliday and why he He's always the
first person picked on the Olympic teams because he can
guard one through four or five.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Nobody plays defense in the Olympics. You don't need that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And Joe Dumars didn't play for other teams. Drew Holliday
has played for what four teams.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Won a championship in Milwaukee. They traded him for more
offense and saw what happened. He was now in the
same position with Boston New Holiday is making the Nasmith
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, all right, yes, Marvin Joe Dumars six All Star appearances.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh so more than Reggie. Okay, to his face, who's better.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Here's here's the thing. Remember now, you're not making the
All Star in the East. During my time when Michael Jordan,
Joe Jubars, Reggie Lewis c. Smith. I mean there was
a number of shooting guards that you there was only
one spot because Michael was making it every year he
knew that and Joe was coming off the Bad Boys.
(33:52):
So those two were always making it my first five
or six years.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 10 (33:57):
My thing is I said you made it five times
over a ten year span. So that means for ten
straight years you were like right on the cusp of
being an All Star, if not making the All Star team?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Are you back pedaling a little bit?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Here? Hold hold on, hey, don't listen to Marvin. They're
just trying to clause a little bit of a score.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, but then you also said, well five in ten years,
Well what did he do the other ten years he
was in the NBA? You've said that, so, so I
mean in a backhanded compliment in here somewhere is there?
I don't think there's a compliment him and Alf Horford. Okay,
same level, Marv. Who do you want? You can have
(34:39):
Joe Dumars or Reggie Millon?
Speaker 10 (34:41):
Oh Reggie, Oh that's not even close.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Sorry, I love Reggie. I might have to take Joe
if I got to get somebody who's gonna go out?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
I mean Joe? Does Joe have a horn in Lambert?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You had the Davis brothers behind? Oh all right, well
great to catch up with. You have fun tonight, love.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Your Theodore and hey, wait who won in our category?
By the way, because do I need to do the
color color purple? On?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Whose?
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Who?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
M l D MLB tonight?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
What?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Yeah, Marvin, I want you to come into my office
after the show. We have to talk.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
Yes, I will.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Sorry, Rache, it's Reggie Miller. Be on the call tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It'll be eight thirty Eastern in Minnesota with Kevin Harlan Fritzig.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Give me a little Kevin Harland. I'm looking forward to
a huge game with Reggie tonight. This this is.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
The NBA on t n T.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Stan Van Gundhi and Ali La Force.
Speaker 11 (35:50):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
More phone calls coming up on a show that used
to get nominated for Sports Emmys.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
It is what it is. We don't even get nominated anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's okay. Oh, by the way, the next city to
be hosting the NFL Draft? Is it twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Pauli?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
The NFL just announced the city for the twenty twenty
six NFL Draft. Do you guys want to guess?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So this was the twenty twenty four draft, right, So
where's the twenty twenty five draft?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Great question?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
It was Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yes, okay, So, and now there's twenty twenty six that's
been announced by the NFL. Right, friends at the NFL, Okay,
go around the room. Then we'll bring in Florida, Todd,
Where do you think the NFL Draft will be.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
An exciting team that's up been coming stronger than ever.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Hugh Town, Texas?
Speaker 10 (36:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Ain't also h Town?
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Seaton?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
O'Connor going to say, uh, Washington, home of yours commanders?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Okay, Marvin. I'm gonna say the in Buffalo, Buffalo Hot.
That's a good shot.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I'm gonna say, La.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Our next guest can drive there. It's gonna be in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh that's awesome. I like that. That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Mike Florio Pro Football TNK Live co host and Football
Night in America. Pittsburgh hosting the Draft in a couple
of years, that sounds like it'll be festive.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Well, it's gonna get around to every city at some
time or another. This all happened by accident. The NFL
had a scheduling conflict at Radio City Music Hall ten
years ago. They couldn't get in for the draft, so
they said, fine, we'll take it to Chicago. Hey, we
kind of like it. They did it there two years
and they went to Philly. We had that, Remember that
great scene in Philly. That was the moment. It's like
(37:53):
they found something here at the NFL. Just they keep
doing this. There's no strategy involved, this kind of float.
It's like, Hey, that's pretty good. We'll keep doing that.
So it'll be huge in Pittsburgh. Because it's not just Pittsburgh.
You got West Virginia, where I'm from. Ohio, Pennsylvania, the whole.
It's the cradle of football in western Pennsylvania. People will
(38:15):
flock to Pittsburgh by the tens of thousands for that.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Okay, let me go back to your saying the NFL,
even without strategy. The NFL schedule makers said that they
didn't plan Kansas City playing Buffalo in Buffalo around Taylor
Swift being in Toronto that week, same week that she
would be able to go to the game. Because I said,
prior to this the schedule release, I said, when does
(38:41):
Taylor Swift play Canada? Guys told me. I said, when
is she in Toronto? The guys told me, and I said,
let's see when Kansas City goes to Buffalo. They said,
it's just a coincidental, Mike. The NFL would never do
something like that. They can't come out and say they
did do it, because then you're sort of manipulating this
a little bit more than for just football or weather reasons.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
There are no coincidences. And look, I am not a
conspiracy theorist by any stretch. That term has a very
negative connotation nowadays. But when it comes to the schedule,
and I've been all over this as it relates to
the Jets schedule. Because the Jets haven't been to the
playoffs since twenty ten. What the hell have they done
to deserve six primetime games the first eleven weeks, two
(39:26):
Thursday night games on short weeks in the first nine weeks,
seven standalone games through week eleven? What have they done?
They have Aaron Rodgers and this notion that, as Mike North,
the VP of broadcast planning said last week, the Jets
kind of OUs one because Rogers got hurt last week, Well,
what did the Jets get out of that? They had
a crap year. They worry about competitive balance with the draft,
(39:48):
it's a factor in setting the opponents, but when it's
time to set the schedules, the NFL is all about
maximum ratings. And even if you were a bad team
last year, Eve been a bad team for fifteen years,
it doesn't matter. If we think we you can get
maximum ratings, we're gonna put you in these spots even
if it hurts you to be in these spots. And
so yeah, if there's a bump that comes from the
(40:08):
Chiefs and Bills being just down the road from our
Toronto show, and they know there's gonna be a bump
from it. Of course, it's gonna be a factor.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Why not.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Kansas City is the most watched team of the standalone games.
Haven't they earned that right?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
They still have a lot of difficult standalone late afternoon games.
I mean, the schedule formula is set by where you
finished in your division, and there's rotations involved. But yeah,
the Chiefs are a big draw. The Chiefs are an
exciting team, and the Chiefs keep winning even with that.
That's what's amazing. You know, the Texans last year they
(40:43):
played every game except Week eight team, which got moved
to Saturday night. They played every game at one o'clock
Eastern on Sunday. And teams love that, coaches love that.
It's a rhythm. It's certainty, there's no disruption to the schedule.
You are on that same every week. Once you win, though,
they start jerking around your Thursday and Sunday and Christmas
(41:06):
in this and the Chiefs still find ways to win
even with all that. That's what's one of the most
amazing things about what they do.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
We're talking to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live, the
show that precedes Hours on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You brought this up.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I don't know if it was in relation to Las
Vegas and the Las Vegas aces of the WNBA, where
the Tourism board is basically paying these players to promote
Las Vegas. They get one hundred thousand dollars apiece. And
then I'm thinking, is nil coming to professional sports? Maybe
not exactly what we have with college football or basketball,
(41:40):
but can you see how you can maybe circumvent the
salary cap by getting somebody to pay help pay a
player to stay, or you can get him to go
to a certain city.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
And this was the most obvious example we've seen. You've
got half the players on the team that aren't even
making one hundred thousand dollars in South They're getting more
money from the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, and
they're going to get from Mark Davis, the owner of
the team. Now, after I wrote that, I heard from
some people who've been connected with the NFL for a
long time saying, well, there's there's always been kind of
(42:14):
you know, the sponsor of the team, and there's a
little money here and a little money there, but the
whole nil dynamic. You could put together a group of
Buffalo Bill's boosters. That pulls their money. I mean already
do it with PSLs. That's phony money that gets funneled
to the team. You could come up with some sort
of nil collective to throw money at Josh Allen to
(42:35):
make sure he's happy with his contract and doesn't want
to leave. It just unlocks a whole new universe of
ways that people who are motivated to give their money
to help their favorite team can do so. And that's
what college sports has been forever. The only difference is
that college players don't get paid except by the boosters,
and at the NFL level, they're already getting paid.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So you see this as something that now with the
have to come up with some kind of law that
prevents this.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
For I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I think the precedent is going to be what the
WNBA does about the Las Vegas Aces, because from the
Aces perspective, hey, we didn't know they were going to
do this. We didn't ask them to do this. I mean,
if you can create a plausible situation where somebody completely
disconnected from the team, at least on paper, is funneling
the money, what can you do? What if Phil Knight
(43:26):
decides that he's now a Texans fan and he's going
to throw a crapload of money at CJ. Stroud and
all the other key players on the Texans. He's going
to give them sponsorships that they really like. They don't
have the name RECOGNI should be on Stroud, some of
these lower level guys, they really don't deserve a deal,
But I'm going to give them that money. I mean,
(43:48):
they can do that. They can do that, and I
don't know, is it inevitable, I don't know, but it's available.
And I think the nil reality may get some people
to say, well, maybe this is something we could try.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Help me understand the Justin Jefferson situation with the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
This is very simple, Dan, and I was just on
with Paul Allen at KFA and the voice of the
Vikings last hour. We hear mixed messages and we get
mixed messages from the Vikings as to what's really going
on here. They say it's all gonna be fine, We're
gonna work it out. But then when you start trying
to figure out what's going on, you get the impression
that maybe they think he wants too much. Well, then
(44:23):
don't say it's gonna be fine if he wants too much.
And you may think he wants too much, but is
he being unreasonable. They had negotiations last year and supposedly
they offered him thirty million per year and he didn't
want it. Well, we don't know what he wanted, and
the structure is key to how much is fully guaranteed
its signing. But whether it's the Vikings, whether it's the Cowboys,
(44:47):
you never get a better deal if you're the team
by waiting when the guy has proven that he's a keeper,
and Justin Jefferson's a keeper, a superstar. The GM quiserdo
Foment's said in February he deserves to be paid like
a top non quarterback. Well that's thirty four million per year,
Nick Bosa. As of now, cap goes up fifteen point
(45:08):
six percent this year. It's always going to go up.
It's always going to go up, and at some point
you just have to stop the bleeding or you have
to trade him. Paul suggested, well, you know they they
keeping this year, they franchise tagging next year. You can't
play games like that with elite superstar players. You just
have to bite the bullet and pay him or trade
him to someone who will I was saying that before
(45:30):
the draft, when I thought they were going to try
to move up, like, hey, maybe say, Commanders will give
you Justin Jefferson and the eleventh overall pick for the
second pick, and we'll take Jayden Daniels. Do that. Then
Now I don't know what they do, but talking and
doing two different things, and it frustrates your fan base
because you keep thinking it's gonna happen, but we're still waiting.
(45:50):
And I don't think it's going to be an easy
fix for the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
What's Matthew Stafford's leverage with the Rams.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
It's not shown up for training camp because he has
shown up for Otah. You know what the leverage is.
The leverage is the backup quarterback iss Jimmy Garoppolo. That's
the leverage, and he's suspended for the first two games
of the season. So the backup to the backup is
Stetson Bennett, who was on the non football on this
list all last year, and a guy named Dresser Winn
who goes or went to UT Martin. And today's the
(46:19):
day I found out that U. T. Martin even exists.
All apologies to U. T. Martin because I looked up
who the hell dresser Win is. So that's the leverage
Stafford has. And he wants more guarantee beyond this year
because he knew what the rams were up to. They
were doing this one year at a time, and now
as I have no, I don't want to do one
year at a time. I want a firm commitment of
at least two years. He brought that to a head.
(46:42):
You're throwing the Jared Goff contract. He may he may
also want more dollars on top of more guarantees.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Help me understand the chain gangs going digital?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Like, like, what is the optics of this during a game?
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Literally, it's the optical device they're going to use. It's smart.
And you've had people connected to the league complaining for
years now. Sean Payton's one of the ones who always
says this, look at all the advances we've made over
the past one hundred years since the NFL came along,
and they still use two guys, two sticks, and ten
yards of chain length to determine whether or not a
first down has been gained. There are so many different
(47:19):
ways they can incorporate technology into football. I have said
for years now. They need to take the current officiating function.
They need to tear it down completely and they need
to rebuild it with all technologies we currently have available
chips in balls, chips in players, chips all over the field.
They're not expensive. The NFL can afford them. Even if
they are, there are ways to make it better, and
(47:41):
legalized wagering raises the stakes. They need to fix this
stuff and button it up before the scandal that's going
to have the NFL in an ugly spot with Congress
and maybe an agency that would have an oversight of
the NFL. They got to spend the money and get
this stuff taken care of. And this is a great
step in the right direction to get in everything right.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
You know the problem I have. It's the official when
he marks the ball, that to me is so random. Right,
everything else is buttoned up, or we hope is buttoned up.
Is like this guy goes I think he went down
right there.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
I remember a game from nineteen ninety six Vikings Broncos.
It was a close game, back and forth and there
was a key fourth down and the official who was
holding the spot with his right foot on one leg,
was kind of like trying to hold his balance and
he hopped a little bit, and that hop ended up
being the difference between first down Denver and first down Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
And you being a Viking fan.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah, that was a long day. I remember that, you know,
I should find something else to do because I remember
the pain a hell of a lot more than I
remember the happiness. And that's one of the good things
about being in this business, because it really isn't like
it used to be. I was twenty five years ago,
thirty years ago. Growing up, it was bad. I would
(49:00):
like go and do a funk for two or three
days after a loss on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Keep your head up, Mike.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
It's all good now. It's all good now. Thank you
about alcohol helps. Good to talk to you. It's Mike
Florio Pro Football Talk Live. He's brought to you by
Mercedes Benz. Our interview of the day, brought to you
by these superbly versatile all Electric EQB from Mercedes Benz.
The vehicle, all Electric, the feeling all Mercedes learn more
n busa dot com slash EQB. You know, so, just
(49:31):
some questions there modern technology, what they're going to be
doing putting chips in the football just seems like that's
where we're going with all of this, and I'm fine
with it as long as it doesn't slow down the game,
that's all, you know. As I've pointed out before, replay
is used to be known as instant replay, but it
(49:52):
takes forever. You can't say instant replay anymore.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Yes, Hunt, I know you want to get it right,
then you have the technology to do so. But there
is something for me inherently about seeing the guy with
the chain pulling it across to see and the anticipation
if it's going to go past the point of the football.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And I'm with you, that's an exciting moment, and.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
I'm with you on that. I just have a problem
with the official and where he spots the ball. That
seems so random.
It's our one on this Wednesday. Morale is high, Dan
and the dan 's Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have
you on board. You're watching on Peacock or listening on
our radio affiliates around the country. Come on in, stay
awhile need an excuse not to go to work today,
I'm your excuse a doctor's note. I'll be happy to
write one for you. Tailgate Moonshine. We sold out first come,
(00:24):
first serve watermelon and azalea. We have a couple of
bottles of salted caramel available, very limited inventory at Danpatrick
dot Com. Stat of the Day brought to you by
Panini America, the official trading cards of this program. All right,
got to play the day stat of the Day poll question.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Coming up, we'll recap Pacers Celtics. Last night went into overtime,
and tonight it'll be the Mavericks at the Timberwolves. Reggie
Miller will join us. He'll be on the call for
that game. He'll join us next hour. Panther's at the
Rangers game one coming up tonight as well. Eight seven
seven three DP Show operator Tyler sitting by. Take your
(01:03):
phone calls email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handle. The
TP Show First Hour brought to you by tire rackt
dot com The Way Tire Buying Should Be The official
tire expert of the Dan Patrick Show. Go to tirec
dot com slash Dan The Tire Decision God got you
hooked up? Full lineup of Perrelli tire special offers, free
(01:24):
road hazard protection, mobile tire installation, tireract dot com. The
Way Tire Buying Should Be. All Right, it was giveaway
last night last night in Boston. That's exactly what the
Pacers did. They gave it away, Boston ends up with
the win. It's one of those Boston didn't win it
as much as the Pacers did lose it. And it's
(01:45):
like you back into a win, you're up five, you
got the game ninety seven percent chance of winning winning
Game one.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I said, if I was betting, I would have taken
the Pacers money line. Straight up. They were going to
beat the cell Celtics. Then they go into overtime and
then Jason Tatum takes over. He wasn't good in the
fourth quarter. He was good in the first three, and
then they went into overtime. You had the opportunity, you
had some questionable coaching decisions, or at least you're supposed
(02:16):
to do this, or you should do this, or don't
do that, and you could check the box on all
of them. Now if I said, are you more likely
to see this go five games now or more likely
than hey? The Pacers went toe to toe, didn't play
their best game, and they took them to overtime in Boston?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How about five games? Seven games?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You're taking six off the board.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm taking six off because there's going to be a
gentleman's sweep, which is five games or man. The Pacers
they showed me something. Boston showed me they were Boston
occasionally five or seven?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Todd?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
What about us safe?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Middle of the road guys like myself up and wanting
that six in there?
Speaker 6 (03:01):
You just won't you won't, Bud.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna make you make a choice. Todd,
you normally don't like to do that.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I'm gonna go seven games.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I was impressed with what Indiana did until the end there.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Seaton five or seven?
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Safe? Is that your Kardashian I don't really trust the song.
I'm gonna say seven is that your Kardashian invitation. Is
that what the Oh no, it's the tail end. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
You start off every day, it's sort of you start
off strong and then you trail off at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I'll be top Marvin smarter Marvin five or seven five?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Paul, I'm not sure I believe this, but seven seven,
hopeful seven, an unrealistic five or a hopeful seven. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's what it is. It sounds like me at the
bars in college.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I wanna you were hoping for a seven, but you
ended up with a five.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Hey, you know what, nothing wrong with a nice five.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hey, I was just.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Glad to be in the playoffs. Yes, I mean it's
like getting singles. I got eliminated early, but that's okay.
Be like, oh man, hih And you know what, when
I was in college and you have acne and you
see the woman staring at your acne, like not even
make an eye contact, it's like you got a zip
without saying that, then you're like, you know, kind of
(04:29):
oblivious to it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
At our bar in college, the main one went to
at the end of the night when they did last call,
they would bring the lights up and sometimes oh yeah,
Oh what am I doing here? What have I gotten into?
And maybe the other person was saying that about me?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yes, yeah, I was somebody slumpbuster and somebody was my slumpbuster. Yeah, okay,
AnyWho just getting started here? Uh? So are we gonna
do five games or seven games? As the pole question
first hour? Do you have another one?
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Of course we have memy. Uh well, we could say
ask last night the piecers showed us a glimpse or
the best Oh did they show us a glimpse of
what the series is gonna be like?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Or is that? Was that their best shot?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And they blew it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know what, this is just wishful reporting here, wishful thinking.
I hope we see a competitive series. I mean, Boston
is a better team, but you know what, it took
a team effort for them to win. She had Tatum
who did well, Jalen Brown and Drew Holliday. So you
got one who scores thirty six, one who scores twenty eight,
(05:41):
one who scores twenty six, and you have to go
into overtime on your home court. Now you can say, well,
were they two rested?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The pacer is still in that competitive mode after going
seven with the Knicks. But this is the first time
in NBA history three players from this same team had
at least twenty five points and three steals in a
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Stell of a day, stall of a day, Statuta day,
scant outa day. This is the Stele of the Day.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Also the second time in the last thirty years three
Celtics have scored at least twenty six points in a
playoff game. The only other time was twenty eighteen Terry Rozier,
Jason Tatum and of course Al Horford.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That was when they beat the seventy six ers.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You know, the inbounds pass, ten seconds to go, you know,
trying to foul Jalen Brown before he takes the three. Like,
there were just moments there where you go, just one
of those things and you win. Get the ball inbounds,
or call a time out, advance the ball to half court.
There were just moments there After the game. Tyrese Haliburton
(06:58):
had this to say about the coaching.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
Tyrese Rick in his comments up there, took what he
said was full blame for not calling time out to
advance the ball with about ten seconds left.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's not us as players.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
We have to do a better job.
Speaker 9 (07:16):
I had two turnovers that I feel like cost us
the game won in fourth and one in overtime. So
you know, I know, I understand he's protecting us, protecting
uh you know me as well. But I'll take that
more than more than he should. I got to be
better and I will be better in Game two and
we'll respond the right way.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And he's right. Rick Carlisle's doing what you want your
coach to do.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Hey, this is on me. No, it's the guys on
the floor. But this you know, Tyrese Haliburton's in the
postseason for the first time in his career. They don't
have that guy where you go. Man, he's the grizzled vet.
Now you can say TJ McConnell, but he's not your
starting point guard. Siakam won a title in Toronto. But
you can prepare for these moments until you're in those
(08:00):
moments and you're going, well, all we have to do
is get the ball inbounds. Until you can't get the
ball inbounds. Now what happens. You got a time out?
Take the time out. Hey, if Jalen Brown nobody's taking
the three, that means we'll give up a two. Nobody's
getting a three on us. Let's crowd the three point line.
(08:21):
Obvious things you're watching. I'm screaming and I'm going he's
gonna get He's gonna he made the three. Give credit
though they they did what they needed to do. They
tried to give it away and Indiana should have grabbed that.
And imagine what we would be saying today if Indiana one,
because we would look at Jason Tatum is not playing
(08:41):
well in the fourth quarter and they wasted a golden
opportunity of three guys scoring at least twenty six points
at home. Mike breen had a great call on the
three pointer last night, had.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Him trying to get free throw it in the corner.
Brown fakes, fires up the three.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Tyler Browns down the bree to tie the game.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Time out Indiana.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Double banger there from Brenie. Did Breeney win the Sports
Emmy last night? I believe so.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think he did.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Also Greg Olsen from Fox when I was Sports Emmy,
we'll talk about that coming up. And if you're wondering
the show that denied us the opportunity to be nominated
for a Sports Emmy. Baseball MLB tonight ended up winning
the Sports Ever. No, no, no, you might be I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm not either. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't want to be a sore loser. I love
to be a winner. I I'd love to be a
sore winner. But it's about time like it up there
to be a sore winner. Yeah, you should have voted
Force before.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Man open bar I confirmed.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, good for you guys, Yeah, yeah, really happy for you.
Then I looked at the page of everybody who gets
his Sports Emmy with MLB tonight. There's got to be
sixty people that work on that show.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
How many of them were working at a bait store
four years ago?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, Dylan was, you know, isn't it amazing though?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
That?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, the big German is trying to get people to
help build out our man cave. He goes into a
bait store, a fishing store, and he sees Dylan, and
he hears this guy, Hey, he might lose his job
here at the bait store. Maybe he could help you
run cable. So the big German hires Dylan to run cable,
(10:55):
and then he eventually is getting us breakfast, and then
all of a sudden he moves up ladder. So now
he's doing graphics here. I don't think he's ever done
graph He never worked in TV.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's actually a more common career arc in television than
people realize. That fishing store running cable graphics.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That happens.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And one of the hosts of the gambling show, Yeah,
of course, I mean Marvin. Marvin was running cable here
as well. You were a crew guy.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I was here for the building, yes.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And all of a sudden, I go, uh, I don't know,
can Marvin stick around? We need somebody to help answer calls?
And so then he started there and then he's here
for a while. Mcleven leaves, Marvin sits in the chair. Crazy.
There's only twelve of us. But if you look at
the page of all these shows that were up against,
there's like sixty people work on these shows.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
One more deserving than the other, you know, Yes.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Paul, with our mentality, if we own a fishing boat,
we go to the local communications school to get deckhands.
You know, that's that's we will take them from antially.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, whatever it takes. We're scrappy. Good for you guys. Yeah,
we're really happy for mlbby night. Yeah, and you're you're
sixty people who work on the show. We're really really
happy for it. Yes, I gotta admit though I'm happier.
Well not really, but it is awkward when you're there
at the ceremony and you lose and there's a handful
(12:25):
of winners walking around and dozens of losers walking and
they're all like that we won.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Big smiles and everybody else I got screw you, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, everybody's carrying their emmy around and then they PLoP it,
PLoP it down at the table when you're you know,
having your ordures after you've lost.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
The winners should go into a separate area and never
be seen again and just let the rest of us
losers all sit in there, sit out in the lobby
together like ah, well whatever, MLB and I one again.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Of course they did.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
They should have a restaurant for winners and then a
restaurant bar area for losing.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
They head go to the VIP winner yeah, but don't
come back here with the rest of us.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
But you would have like somber music over here while
you'd be hearing these people celebrating next door, yelling and
screaming yes Todd.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Great.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And then as soon as the winner in your categories announced,
you see the loser slowly stand up.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Excuse me. I know.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
The winners don't go up. The losers just leave all.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
I just went forget it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What is bad is when somebody who wins and they're
in your aisle or in your row.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Oh had that?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Excuse me, pardon me, excuse me, and you're up for
the same award and you want to trip them. And
then Costas would go excuse me, pardon me, excuse me.
You know what, They eventually put Bob right on the aisle.
I gotta start sitting on the aisle. No, but they
eventually put Bob Costas on the aisle because I mean,
Bob's gonna win, let's just make it his path of
(13:59):
least resistance up there.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think our first year, they scattered us all over
our seats. We just took whatever sea we could, and
I sit next to these two guys from NBC who
I did not know their producer types, and they win,
like the third category. They spent the whole night sitting there.
He had it right next to me on his lap,
that big am me.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And it's okay, it's always next year. Come on ton.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Sometimes you read into the seating it's like, wait, I'm
a little closer to the.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Stage than last year.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Maybe this is the year they don't want me to
have a long walk away from the rafters.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Maybe this is the one No.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
One year I sat on the aisle. I am on
this aisle, and right across from me is Bob Man.
Bob ended up winning the sports Sevy that because I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I'm right on the aisle.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Okay, easy access, you know something. Yeah, I'm not going
to spend a lot of time walking waiting for me
to get up there. And then all of a sudden
it's like and the winner is. And then you start
to lean out of your chair just.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
To just is Bob Costers.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then you just drop back down and you're like,
all right, Bobby, before you glad something went well for
you in this business.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, just getting started here.
Speaker 10 (15:06):
Come on, get up, get up, we get to do this.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yes, did you give it a money?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Sign to the people that bet on the air.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Like the committee, I'm Rudy Gobert. When it comes to
tell you, Bob, how much of this one call? Well,
there have been networks accused of kind of uh helping
massage the voters against a break here, we should take
(15:38):
a break. Absolutely got a pull question, I have a
play of the day, stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
All of that coming.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm Reggie Miller in an hour from now back after
this Dan Patrick show.
Speaker 11 (15:50):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f s
R to listen live. Pollie Fusco here with Tony Fusco.
You know, as the host of the number one rated
Paully and Tony Fusco show, we get tons and tons
of fan mail every day.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Piles of it.
Speaker 11 (16:10):
In fact, Tony, why don't you open up one of
those letters right now and read what's inside?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Heay, listen to this. Dear Paulie and Tony, your sports
takes the dumbest and most terribly that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Wait, why open this other one?
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Dear Paulie and Tony, you suck more than anyone.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Wait try this one.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Dear Paulie and Tony, you guys are the absolute best.
There you go coming up with the stupidest take.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Forget it, Just listen to the Paully and Tony Fusco
show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, Reggie Miller on the call. Western Conference Finals starts tonight.
It'll be in Minnesota. Tip off time eight thirty Eastern.
Kevin Harlan, Stan Van Gundhill. Only LaForce will be on
the call with Reggie. Did you hear what Marvin had
to say about you, Reggie a couple minutes ago.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I did not enlighten me right.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, should Marvin summarize this because it feels like he's
changing his story here of comparing Al Horford to Reggie
Miller when it comes to career greatness.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yes, Pauline, I'll try to be objective here. We were
talking about Drew Holliday and how he might be in
the Hall of Very Good like a couple All Star appearances,
and then we got into Al Horford. Dan, you said,
Al Horford's on the cusp of the Hall of Fame.
I think he's going to be a Hall of Famer,
And Marvin said.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
Al Horford has as many All Star appearances as Reggie Miller,
which is crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I you shouldn't say it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
You were just it felt like he were bringing Reggie
down to earth, oh little bit.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
Oh no, no, no, I'm forty. I'm old enough to remember
Reggie when he played.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
All right, how many times have you been compared to
Al Horford in your life?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Regie?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I think this may be a first gentleman body of
resume for Al. I think his longevity and what he
has done with Theorapa Hawks, and obviously with the Celtics
being able to guard one through five. You saw a
lot of those switches in that Paser series. He does
(18:18):
a little bit of everything. An he's selfless.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So he won two national titles in college.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Remember now, people, that's included into the Basketball Hall of Fame.
People just think it's about your body of work in
the NBA. No, it's college as well, two rings where
he was the leader of that team, him and Joe
ky Noah along with Corey Brewer. That was a three
headed monster with Billy Donovan at the rains. Two national championship.
(18:46):
So I agree with you, Theodore, and I think it'd
be icing on the cake if the Celtics go on
to win a championship. I think it solidifies his chances
of getting into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
All right, Marvin Game on the line. You want Al
Horford taking a shot. Regie, this is a tough one.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
But by the skin of my teeth, I'm gonna say, Ray,
By the skin of my.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Teeth, I was worried about your basketball knowledge there, Marv.
Speaker 10 (19:15):
I will never dish.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Now it's starting to make sense why we keep losing
these sports. I mean, we know who the weak link
is now, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Wow Wow, And all along we thought it was Fritzy.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You you Marvin, all right, how do you explain the
last ninety seconds with the Pacers last night?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Well, let me just say this. If you're a Pacer fan,
and certainly I am one of them, this has to sting.
This is a gut punch because look, and I've heard
Rick Hall all come out postgame. This loss is on me.
Number one. Yes, you should have called the time out.
(19:59):
I know they had one time out out. You should
have used it. You advanced the ball, then you have
the whole court to inbound it, your front court as
well as the back court. You get the ball in,
you play the free throw game. Okay, so you don't
call timeout, that's fine. Another thing I would have done.
I would have got TJ McConnell in the game gotten
Miles Turner out, so I would have had Halliburton, Niece Smith, Nimhard, TJ,
(20:25):
and Pascal Siakam on the floor. That's your speed unit.
So I would have had TJ McConnell taking the ball
out right, and then I would have told TJ. Your
first look, your second look. If you don't have it,
then you call that last time out. Then you would
have advanced it and then hopefully you get the ball in.
So those are two things didn't happen. Turnover happens. Here's
(20:48):
another thing I would have done. Okay, So the ball
is underneath the Celtics basket. Tyre's Halliburton is guarding Drew
Holliday taking the ball out. If you remember the play,
I tell Tyree's Halliburton, you've got to keep your left
foot on the baseline and make sure Drew Holiday throws
(21:09):
the ball to your right, either to the top of
the key or to the corner where you can see everything.
There's no way Holliday has the vision to pass it
through to Jalen Brown on the weak side if you
have your foot on the corner. What Halliburton was doing
and rightfully so they call this shadowy. He was shadowing,
(21:33):
looking behind to see where Jason Tatum was, because you
assume Jason Tatum, the number one option for the Celtics,
is going to get the basketball. So he was shadowing him,
trying to see where Tatum was, which he was behind
him and kind of coming to the ball. But that's
where you wanted the ball to go anyways. So there
was a series of mistakes. It's a gut punch. It's
(21:57):
very difficult to come back from this. But remember this
is kind of how the Pacers lost Game one to
New York in the first round and finally found a
way to win that series. But Theodore, you know, you've
seen a lot of games, and I've been a part
of situations like this. It's very just difficult when you
(22:18):
give games away in the playoffs to get them back.
And the Celtics are much different than the Knicks. They're
not battered in bruise, they're fully healthy, and they've got
guys that can absolutely go get it. This is tough.
I'll be curious to see how they rebound in Game two.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Mentally, Theodore, Okay, if I shed more likely to go
five games or seven games, now.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Ah man, it's can't I split the middle of the six.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Nope, we take six off the board.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Look as much as I would love my love the
Pacers to go seven in this, you've got to be real.
You're going against a team with the best record. You've
got two All Stars and Tatum and Brown, you've got
two All time second team defenders, and Derek White drew
a holiday.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Five.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I would say five because of the gut punch. And
this reminds me and PAULI you may look this up.
This reminds me of Larry Johnson's four point play in
ninety nine. The series was tied one to one Game
three in the Garden, Larry Johnson's four point play. We
had that game, we felt, we all remember that they
(23:40):
go up to one. People tend to forget. We came
back and won Game four the next game in the Garden,
to even the series. But that taste and that feels,
it's still stung. And we lost the next two and
we lost to the Knickson six. That's why I'm saying
it stays with you. If we would have won that
Game three, we won Game four, you'd have been up
(24:02):
three to one, having to win one more. That's why
I'm saying you can't give games away. And I've been
in that locker room. I know how it feels when
you when you gift wrapped a game. They gift wrapped
it that game one and a game one they needed mentally.
But again I want to see how they react in
game two. But to answer your questions, and I'm sorry
(24:25):
I would say five because.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It hurts talking to Reggie Millner, Hall of Famer, on
the call tonight. It's Game one in Minnesota. Kevin Harlan's
stan Van gundhi Alli Lafor's tip off is at eight
point thirty Eastern. This game, this series, I should say,
will come down to what or whom.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I think Karl Anthony Towns for Minnesota, how he played
in Game seven is going to happen. He has to
play that way at both ends of the floor. One
staying out of foul trouble because if he stays out
of foul trouble, he is so valuable for Minnesota what
he does at both ends of the floor. And I
(25:07):
think he's accepted obviously Anthony Edwards being that guy right,
So there's not as much pressure on Cat anymore. And
I think for Dallas, PJ. Washington was so great for
Dallas in that mid season pickup and what he did
in that OKC Thunder series at both ends of the floor.
(25:31):
You know what you're gonna get from Luca and Kyrie.
But PJ. Washington average nineteen points, I believe in that
series and in that deciding in Game six, really didn't
do anything until the last three or four minutes of
that game. Two big threes, the big free throws down
the stretch, but to me, his lockdown defense. So two
(25:51):
guys that are like complimentary parts, Karl Anthony Towns from Minnesota,
PJ Washington, those two are gonna have to play well
and consistent for each of their ball clubs to be
successful in this series.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
If we went to the playground and Luca showed up
and Anthony Edwards showed up, just looking at him, you
had no idea anything about him, and then we're warming up,
who would you take first?
Speaker 6 (26:22):
I would still take Anthony Edwards? Yeah yeah, And as
great and good and fantastic as Luca is, give me
that do that twenty two year old.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Wait wait, I'm just talking playground now. If I said,
for the rest of their career, you can have Aunt
or you can have Luca I.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Think, well, Luca's going to have the numbers. He's going
to have the triple doubles and the points and all that.
So statistically, Luca will have the numbers. But if you're
just telling me all the playground, we're at Rucker and
there they both are standing, I'm going with Anthony Edwards.
But in terms of the body of work and the
numbers and all that, Luca will have that at the
(27:03):
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Did you ever go to a playground and they didn't
know who you were?
Speaker 6 (27:11):
I mean once I was professional.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, let's say college, not really no, okay no, but
like if you went to Rutger Park.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I would love to go to Rutger Park. I might
get chased out of run, but I would love to
go to Ruck.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well, what was it like being in the garden and
you know, the Pacers your team, and then Halliburton wears
a hoodie at a press conference with I mean you,
I just.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Say something, people, I didn't play in the series New Yorkers.
Why are y'all dragging me? I didn't play in the series.
How am I a part of all this? I came
to do Game two because that was asked of me.
My boss has said, we want you doing this game.
We all have losses, right Theodore, I can't say no,
(28:06):
call the game down the middle? How am I dragged in?
So like I'm out there playing Game seven?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I just love that Josh Hart comes over to tell
you what the fans are chanting, as if you couldn't
hear it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I mean, he goes, hey, rerech. They're they're saying.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Fu, oh, gude, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh is that what they're saying?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Oh? Look, I expected that too. I understand that there's.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
A long you're in their hand, you're in their hand.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
But here they just like in Godfather, just when I
thought I was out, they they pulled me back in
and my boys from Indiana. Thank you by young boys.
They handle their business in Game seven and we move on.
Can you I wasn't playing in the series, guys, I'm
(29:00):
fifty eight years old. I had nothing to do with
the series.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
The Knicks could have used you.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
The Knicks canna use it. Our shooting I've seen shoot.
The Knicks could have used us. Oh man, that's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Can you feel for them?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Can you go into the Basketball Hall of Fame based
solely on a college career as a player. Now what
I'm getting at is Christian Laitner's not in the Basketball
Hall of Fame one of the top five ten college
basketball players of all time.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm guessing, Well, there's the.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Answer to your question. No, but I do believe he's
in the college Basketball Hall of Fame. But no, I
don't think he will be in the Naysmith Basketball Hall
of Fame because his NBA resume isn't like it was
in college. So no, But for instance, Grant Hill, Grant
Hill was on his way to becoming one of the
(30:00):
all time great NBA players before the ankle injury, right,
you know, so he had a small slither of NBA success, correct,
because he was on his way to becoming the faith
of the NBA. He had won I believe, was it
two or three at Duke? Did he win two championships
or three? Championship?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Went two?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Okay, So he won two at Duke. So he had
the college basketball resume. He was on his way to
becoming one of the greats in the NBA. That's why
he's in the Nasmith Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Light's Hall. He had Latner's Hall of Famer. Latner's a
Hall of Famer. It's your basketball career. It's the Naysmith
Basketball Hall of Fame. They don't differentiate between it, you know,
college and the pros. It's your collective body of work.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
There.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
College coaches go in. So is is Latner to college basketball?
What you know Jim Beheim is to coaching in college basketball?
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Is in?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes, So why isn't Latner?
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I think they are probably disregarding his NBA do to
your service, Hey, he wasn't. How many How many years
did he How many years did he play in the league?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He played like twelve thirteen years, Paul? How long did
Latner play in the NBA?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
He played?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
He played fifteen seasons, fourteen seasons. He did make one
All Star Game.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Can make an argument. You can make an argument because
he's certainly one of the top you said five. I
would say he's one of the top five college players
of all time.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes, if it was, if it was the NBA Hall
of Fame, then no, he's not kidding it. But it's
the Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
You make a strong argument.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Can you tell the story of college basketball without Christian Laitner?
Speaker 6 (31:56):
No, you cannot, Okay, you cannot.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So I think al Horford's going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
We believe Al Horford is definitely going in.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I do, yeah, And he's been on as many All
Star teams as you.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yes, Drew Holliday going into no Basketball.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Hall of very good rech.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I think Drew Holiday, at the end of the day,
will have a resume a lot like Joe Dumars.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, but I don't think we looked at Drew Holliday
as the best player on his team. Like, how many
times did you ever look at well, he was the
second best player on his team. Yeah, you had Isaiah
and then you had Joe.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Oh, you had a young Rod.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Joe had to guard Mike.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I mean, yes, Drew Holiday is doing We're seeing the
value of Drew Holliday and why he He's always the
first person picked on the Olympic teams because he can
guard one through four or five.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Nobody plays defense in the Olympics. You don't need that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And Joe Dumars didn't play for other teams. Drew Holliday
has played for what four teams.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Won a championship in Milwaukee. They traded him for more
offense and saw what happened. He was now in the
same position with Boston New Holiday is making the Nasmith
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, all right, yes, Marvin Joe Dumars six All Star appearances.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh so more than Reggie. Okay, to his face, who's better.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Here's here's the thing. Remember now, you're not making the
All Star in the East. During my time when Michael Jordan,
Joe Jubars, Reggie Lewis c. Smith. I mean there was
a number of shooting guards that you there was only
one spot because Michael was making it every year he
knew that and Joe was coming off the Bad Boys.
(33:52):
So those two were always making it my first five
or six years.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 10 (33:57):
My thing is I said you made it five times
over a ten year span. So that means for ten
straight years you were like right on the cusp of
being an All Star, if not making the All Star team?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Are you back pedaling a little bit?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Here? Hold hold on, hey, don't listen to Marvin. They're
just trying to clause a little bit of a score.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, but then you also said, well five in ten years,
Well what did he do the other ten years he
was in the NBA? You've said that, so, so I
mean in a backhanded compliment in here somewhere is there?
I don't think there's a compliment him and Alf Horford. Okay,
same level, Marv. Who do you want? You can have
(34:39):
Joe Dumars or Reggie Millon?
Speaker 10 (34:41):
Oh Reggie, Oh that's not even close.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Sorry, I love Reggie. I might have to take Joe
if I got to get somebody who's gonna go out?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
I mean Joe? Does Joe have a horn in Lambert?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You had the Davis brothers behind? Oh all right, well
great to catch up with. You have fun tonight, love.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Your Theodore and hey, wait who won in our category?
By the way, because do I need to do the
color color purple? On?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Whose?
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Who?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
M l D MLB tonight?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
What?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Yeah, Marvin, I want you to come into my office
after the show. We have to talk.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
Yes, I will.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Sorry, Rache, it's Reggie Miller. Be on the call tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It'll be eight thirty Eastern in Minnesota with Kevin Harlan Fritzig.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Give me a little Kevin Harland. I'm looking forward to
a huge game with Reggie tonight. This this is.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
The NBA on t n T.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Stan Van Gundhi and Ali La Force.
Speaker 11 (35:50):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
More phone calls coming up on a show that used
to get nominated for Sports Emmys.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
It is what it is. We don't even get nominated anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's okay. Oh, by the way, the next city to
be hosting the NFL Draft? Is it twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Pauli?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
The NFL just announced the city for the twenty twenty
six NFL Draft. Do you guys want to guess?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So this was the twenty twenty four draft, right, So
where's the twenty twenty five draft?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Great question?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
It was Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yes, okay, So, and now there's twenty twenty six that's
been announced by the NFL. Right, friends at the NFL, Okay,
go around the room. Then we'll bring in Florida, Todd,
Where do you think the NFL Draft will be.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
An exciting team that's up been coming stronger than ever.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Hugh Town, Texas?
Speaker 10 (36:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Ain't also h Town?
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Seaton?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
O'Connor going to say, uh, Washington, home of yours commanders?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Okay, Marvin. I'm gonna say the in Buffalo, Buffalo Hot.
That's a good shot.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I'm gonna say, La.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Our next guest can drive there. It's gonna be in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh that's awesome. I like that. That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Mike Florio Pro Football TNK Live co host and Football
Night in America. Pittsburgh hosting the Draft in a couple
of years, that sounds like it'll be festive.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Well, it's gonna get around to every city at some
time or another. This all happened by accident. The NFL
had a scheduling conflict at Radio City Music Hall ten
years ago. They couldn't get in for the draft, so
they said, fine, we'll take it to Chicago. Hey, we
kind of like it. They did it there two years
and they went to Philly. We had that, Remember that
great scene in Philly. That was the moment. It's like
(37:53):
they found something here at the NFL. Just they keep
doing this. There's no strategy involved, this kind of float.
It's like, Hey, that's pretty good. We'll keep doing that.
So it'll be huge in Pittsburgh. Because it's not just Pittsburgh.
You got West Virginia, where I'm from. Ohio, Pennsylvania, the whole.
It's the cradle of football in western Pennsylvania. People will
(38:15):
flock to Pittsburgh by the tens of thousands for that.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Okay, let me go back to your saying the NFL,
even without strategy. The NFL schedule makers said that they
didn't plan Kansas City playing Buffalo in Buffalo around Taylor
Swift being in Toronto that week, same week that she
would be able to go to the game. Because I said,
prior to this the schedule release, I said, when does
(38:41):
Taylor Swift play Canada? Guys told me. I said, when
is she in Toronto? The guys told me, and I said,
let's see when Kansas City goes to Buffalo. They said,
it's just a coincidental, Mike. The NFL would never do
something like that. They can't come out and say they
did do it, because then you're sort of manipulating this
a little bit more than for just football or weather reasons.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
There are no coincidences. And look, I am not a
conspiracy theorist by any stretch. That term has a very
negative connotation nowadays. But when it comes to the schedule,
and I've been all over this as it relates to
the Jets schedule. Because the Jets haven't been to the
playoffs since twenty ten. What the hell have they done
to deserve six primetime games the first eleven weeks, two
(39:26):
Thursday night games on short weeks in the first nine weeks,
seven standalone games through week eleven? What have they done?
They have Aaron Rodgers and this notion that, as Mike North,
the VP of broadcast planning said last week, the Jets
kind of OUs one because Rogers got hurt last week, Well,
what did the Jets get out of that? They had
a crap year. They worry about competitive balance with the draft,
(39:48):
it's a factor in setting the opponents, but when it's
time to set the schedules, the NFL is all about
maximum ratings. And even if you were a bad team
last year, Eve been a bad team for fifteen years,
it doesn't matter. If we think we you can get
maximum ratings, we're gonna put you in these spots even
if it hurts you to be in these spots. And
so yeah, if there's a bump that comes from the
(40:08):
Chiefs and Bills being just down the road from our
Toronto show, and they know there's gonna be a bump
from it. Of course, it's gonna be a factor.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Why not.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Kansas City is the most watched team of the standalone games.
Haven't they earned that right?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
They still have a lot of difficult standalone late afternoon games.
I mean, the schedule formula is set by where you
finished in your division, and there's rotations involved. But yeah,
the Chiefs are a big draw. The Chiefs are an
exciting team, and the Chiefs keep winning even with that.
That's what's amazing. You know, the Texans last year they
(40:43):
played every game except Week eight team, which got moved
to Saturday night. They played every game at one o'clock
Eastern on Sunday. And teams love that, coaches love that.
It's a rhythm. It's certainty, there's no disruption to the schedule.
You are on that same every week. Once you win, though,
they start jerking around your Thursday and Sunday and Christmas
(41:06):
in this and the Chiefs still find ways to win
even with all that. That's what's one of the most
amazing things about what they do.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
We're talking to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live, the
show that precedes Hours on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You brought this up.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I don't know if it was in relation to Las
Vegas and the Las Vegas aces of the WNBA, where
the Tourism board is basically paying these players to promote
Las Vegas. They get one hundred thousand dollars apiece. And
then I'm thinking, is nil coming to professional sports? Maybe
not exactly what we have with college football or basketball,
(41:40):
but can you see how you can maybe circumvent the
salary cap by getting somebody to pay help pay a
player to stay, or you can get him to go
to a certain city.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
And this was the most obvious example we've seen. You've
got half the players on the team that aren't even
making one hundred thousand dollars in South They're getting more
money from the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, and
they're going to get from Mark Davis, the owner of
the team. Now, after I wrote that, I heard from
some people who've been connected with the NFL for a
long time saying, well, there's there's always been kind of
(42:14):
you know, the sponsor of the team, and there's a
little money here and a little money there, but the
whole nil dynamic. You could put together a group of
Buffalo Bill's boosters. That pulls their money. I mean already
do it with PSLs. That's phony money that gets funneled
to the team. You could come up with some sort
of nil collective to throw money at Josh Allen to
(42:35):
make sure he's happy with his contract and doesn't want
to leave. It just unlocks a whole new universe of
ways that people who are motivated to give their money
to help their favorite team can do so. And that's
what college sports has been forever. The only difference is
that college players don't get paid except by the boosters,
and at the NFL level, they're already getting paid.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So you see this as something that now with the
have to come up with some kind of law that
prevents this.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
For I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I think the precedent is going to be what the
WNBA does about the Las Vegas Aces, because from the
Aces perspective, hey, we didn't know they were going to
do this. We didn't ask them to do this. I mean,
if you can create a plausible situation where somebody completely
disconnected from the team, at least on paper, is funneling
the money, what can you do? What if Phil Knight
(43:26):
decides that he's now a Texans fan and he's going
to throw a crapload of money at CJ. Stroud and
all the other key players on the Texans. He's going
to give them sponsorships that they really like. They don't
have the name RECOGNI should be on Stroud, some of
these lower level guys, they really don't deserve a deal,
But I'm going to give them that money. I mean,
(43:48):
they can do that. They can do that, and I
don't know, is it inevitable, I don't know, but it's available.
And I think the nil reality may get some people
to say, well, maybe this is something we could try.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Help me understand the Justin Jefferson situation with the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
This is very simple, Dan, and I was just on
with Paul Allen at KFA and the voice of the
Vikings last hour. We hear mixed messages and we get
mixed messages from the Vikings as to what's really going
on here. They say it's all gonna be fine, We're
gonna work it out. But then when you start trying
to figure out what's going on, you get the impression
that maybe they think he wants too much. Well, then
(44:23):
don't say it's gonna be fine if he wants too much.
And you may think he wants too much, but is
he being unreasonable. They had negotiations last year and supposedly
they offered him thirty million per year and he didn't
want it. Well, we don't know what he wanted, and
the structure is key to how much is fully guaranteed
its signing. But whether it's the Vikings, whether it's the Cowboys,
(44:47):
you never get a better deal if you're the team
by waiting when the guy has proven that he's a keeper,
and Justin Jefferson's a keeper, a superstar. The GM quiserdo
Foment's said in February he deserves to be paid like
a top non quarterback. Well that's thirty four million per year,
Nick Bosa. As of now, cap goes up fifteen point
(45:08):
six percent this year. It's always going to go up.
It's always going to go up, and at some point
you just have to stop the bleeding or you have
to trade him. Paul suggested, well, you know they they
keeping this year, they franchise tagging next year. You can't
play games like that with elite superstar players. You just
have to bite the bullet and pay him or trade
him to someone who will I was saying that before
(45:30):
the draft, when I thought they were going to try
to move up, like, hey, maybe say, Commanders will give
you Justin Jefferson and the eleventh overall pick for the
second pick, and we'll take Jayden Daniels. Do that. Then
Now I don't know what they do, but talking and
doing two different things, and it frustrates your fan base
because you keep thinking it's gonna happen, but we're still waiting.
(45:50):
And I don't think it's going to be an easy
fix for the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
What's Matthew Stafford's leverage with the Rams.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
It's not shown up for training camp because he has
shown up for Otah. You know what the leverage is.
The leverage is the backup quarterback iss Jimmy Garoppolo. That's
the leverage, and he's suspended for the first two games
of the season. So the backup to the backup is
Stetson Bennett, who was on the non football on this
list all last year, and a guy named Dresser Winn
who goes or went to UT Martin. And today's the
(46:19):
day I found out that U. T. Martin even exists.
All apologies to U. T. Martin because I looked up
who the hell dresser Win is. So that's the leverage
Stafford has. And he wants more guarantee beyond this year
because he knew what the rams were up to. They
were doing this one year at a time, and now
as I have no, I don't want to do one
year at a time. I want a firm commitment of
at least two years. He brought that to a head.
(46:42):
You're throwing the Jared Goff contract. He may he may
also want more dollars on top of more guarantees.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Help me understand the chain gangs going digital?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Like, like, what is the optics of this during a game?
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Literally, it's the optical device they're going to use. It's smart.
And you've had people connected to the league complaining for
years now. Sean Payton's one of the ones who always
says this, look at all the advances we've made over
the past one hundred years since the NFL came along,
and they still use two guys, two sticks, and ten
yards of chain length to determine whether or not a
first down has been gained. There are so many different
(47:19):
ways they can incorporate technology into football. I have said
for years now. They need to take the current officiating function.
They need to tear it down completely and they need
to rebuild it with all technologies we currently have available
chips in balls, chips in players, chips all over the field.
They're not expensive. The NFL can afford them. Even if
they are, there are ways to make it better, and
(47:41):
legalized wagering raises the stakes. They need to fix this
stuff and button it up before the scandal that's going
to have the NFL in an ugly spot with Congress
and maybe an agency that would have an oversight of
the NFL. They got to spend the money and get
this stuff taken care of. And this is a great
step in the right direction to get in everything right.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
You know the problem I have. It's the official when
he marks the ball, that to me is so random. Right,
everything else is buttoned up, or we hope is buttoned up.
Is like this guy goes I think he went down
right there.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
I remember a game from nineteen ninety six Vikings Broncos.
It was a close game, back and forth and there
was a key fourth down and the official who was
holding the spot with his right foot on one leg,
was kind of like trying to hold his balance and
he hopped a little bit, and that hop ended up
being the difference between first down Denver and first down Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
And you being a Viking fan.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah, that was a long day. I remember that, you know,
I should find something else to do because I remember
the pain a hell of a lot more than I
remember the happiness. And that's one of the good things
about being in this business, because it really isn't like
it used to be. I was twenty five years ago,
thirty years ago. Growing up, it was bad. I would
(49:00):
like go and do a funk for two or three
days after a loss on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Keep your head up, Mike.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
It's all good now. It's all good now. Thank you
about alcohol helps. Good to talk to you. It's Mike
Florio Pro Football Talk Live. He's brought to you by
Mercedes Benz. Our interview of the day, brought to you
by these superbly versatile all Electric EQB from Mercedes Benz.
The vehicle, all Electric, the feeling all Mercedes learn more
n busa dot com slash EQB. You know, so, just
(49:31):
some questions there modern technology, what they're going to be
doing putting chips in the football just seems like that's
where we're going with all of this, and I'm fine
with it as long as it doesn't slow down the game,
that's all, you know. As I've pointed out before, replay
is used to be known as instant replay, but it
(49:52):
takes forever. You can't say instant replay anymore.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Yes, Hunt, I know you want to get it right,
then you have the technology to do so. But there
is something for me inherently about seeing the guy with
the chain pulling it across to see and the anticipation
if it's going to go past the point of the football.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And I'm with you, that's an exciting moment, and.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
I'm with you on that. I just have a problem
with the official and where he spots the ball. That
seems so random.
Hosts And Creators
Todd "Fritzy" Fritz
Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
Marvin Prince
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.