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June 4, 2024 41 mins

Dan wonders if the NBA and NHL are losing momentum with the long layoffs before their championship series begin. And Dan thinks there is nothing wrong with tuning into WNBA games just to see a singular player like Caitlin Clark.

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(01:09):
Modern Family, and I wonder if people see Ed O'Neill
and think he's actually married to Sophia Vagara. I gotta
ask him that maybe later in the interview. Do people
go up and go, Hey, how's Sophia?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
How's your wife? Yeah, Paul, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
A fun career he's had. He had a long run
on Mary with Shildon and had a longer run on
The Modern Family Family what a great show. Yeah, so
he'll do He's had like two careers.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, well he'll he's playing Donald Sterling and I think
Laurence Fishburne he is playing Doc Rivers. So Ed O'Neil
will join us. Coming up, we'll talk about the Clippers
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seven three. DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter
handle a DP show. No basketball today starts tomorrow? No

(02:00):
hockey today or tomorrow or the next day. It starts Saturday.
So Stanley Cup starting Saturday and NBA Finals? Is NBA
Finals Thursday or Friday?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Thurday? What is it Thursday? Yeah, that's what I said.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Oh, I thought you said tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Tomorrow is Wednesday. Yeah, today's Tuesday, and then after that
it's Thursday. Typically schedule, so Tuesday Wednesday, then it's Thursday,
confirmed day, Like you said, what's after Friday?

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Hockey?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
There you go, Saturday. Okay, we got this all figured out.
Got NBA Finals is Thursday, That's what I said. Yes,
of course I did say that. You guys got confused,
not me. So no basketball until Thursday, no hockey until Saturday.
It's OTA's it's mandatory OTAs for ten teams. It's Dolphins, Texans, Colts, Titans, Cowboys, Eagles, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Niners.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh my, yes.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Do you think the NBA has lost some momentum?

Speaker 6 (02:57):
PAULI sent out something last night. I couldn't agree more that,
in some ways, while you're sitting around and you're itching
for the basketball finals, NBA files to start that. It
feels like the season somehow ended abruptly and we're waiting
a whole week. I know that happen because if you
know the series go seven games, you can't start it sooner.
But it was ridiculous that it's taking this many days
to get going again.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, I agree they lost some momentum. You would love
to see them have already played or playing a game tonight.
Same with hockey as well. You want to capitalize on
that momentum. And with the NBA you're trying to build
momentum because you don't have it. You know, the Celtics
are there, Okay, Dallas being in there, all right, let's go.
Let's see them play. Maybe Luca Kyrie get a chance,

(03:37):
Luca gets his first title, the Celtics, maybe they win
a title. You got Connor McDavid with Edmonton and Edmonton
back in the Stanley Cup Final.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
You got Florida Panthers. You want to build on that.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you know what's happened is timing is everything when
it comes to a story and the Caitlin Clark story,
how it's been placed where it's been placed, not by design,
but it's there. There's nothing going on, so you're looking
for stories. Now, everybody's got an opinion on Caitlin Clark. Newspapers,

(04:11):
TV shows, regular TV shows, Good Morning America, not just
sports shows, because there's nothing else going on.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You got the mandatory OTAs, but other than that, there's
no real headlines here. Caitlin Clark has become a headline.
We'll talk a little bit more about that the fallout
from now everybody has an opinion on this. Everybody wants
to tell you how much they know about the WNBA.
You have these singular figures. You know, Tiger did this

(04:40):
with golf, Messy with the MLS. I mean, Connor McDavid
may be able to do that with hockey. Gretzky did
it with hockey a long time ago, where you tune
in for that one person, maybe not the sport that
one person. And golf is still trying to replace Tiger
what Caitlin has done with the wn So there's a

(05:01):
lot of nuance to this story and we'll try to
capture some of that coming up here in a little bit.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
All right.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Seaton Poll question today on this Tuesday, not to be
confused with Wednesday or Thursday.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
Do you rather have court side seats to the NBA
finals or seats in the glass for the Stanley Cup Final.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I would rather be on the glass for the Stanley
Cup Final. Why is that?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's It's like going to a boxing match or going
to the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's just you have to be there. When you're there,
then you get it.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
And you know, hockey doesn't translate when you're watching on TV.
I always felt hockey translated better on radio because the
play by play voice. You know, if you are you're
capturing everything and you can hear it, and it's so
he's got to provide everything to you. And I always
got more into it if I heard a hockey game

(05:53):
on radio as opposed to when I watch it on TV.
Watching it in person, that's completely different. You feel the game.
It gets cold in there when it's you know, they hit,
they go up against the boards, up against the glass.
It is, and it's so much faster than you think.
Now TV is a way of slowing things down. When
you're there in right in the moment, it's like, wow,

(06:16):
it's incredible what they do, how they do it on
you know, you're on skates, hand eye coordination, the physicality
of it, the toughness of it. You feel it when
you're there. And I would rather be there like the NBA.
You know, maybe I'm spoiled because I've done that so
many times, but hockey Stanley Cup Finals, that's something you

(06:40):
can't replicate. I mean, it is there and it is
certainly something that you absorb, Yes, toud and not.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Only is it fast paced and it's just constantly more exciting.
There's so many breaks, it seems with the NBA. I
don't remember ever going through a hockey game where they
got to constantly play musical every body clap your hands.
I don't think that happens in the NFL. It's like
not necessary enough to do it.

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What other poll questions are you thinking about?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Seaton?

Speaker 7 (07:20):
Would you rather be an NBA sixth man or a
sitcom actor?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, so would I rather be Jamal Crawford or would
I rather be Ed O'Neil.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Would you rather be Robert Ri or Ed O'Neill.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
That's our guest today. I'd rather be at O'Neil. I'd
rather be on married dot dot dot with children. Bob.
I know, but dude got rings, got he accomplished so much?
You love basketball? Ed O'Neil's still killing it.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Tough one.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
So's Robert, but he's not hitting shots. Ed O'Neil still
he's at.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
I can't believe you're turning up like massive shots in
the NBA and like well immortality. I mean you, of
all people, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
What happened to you.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm an actor. Oh, I'm an actor.

Speaker 8 (08:16):
Wait, DP what that means? You would have played with
Prime mckem, Kobe and Shaq and Tim duncan Well.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I thought he meant now like Robert is a you know,
sixth former sixth man, so I got their whole career.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 7 (08:31):
Okay, I mean we could change and make it more
direct to say Ed O'Neil or Robert rri.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Okay, that old whole question.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
I just felt like like a sixth man in a
sitcom actor. I'm trying to okay, all right, work with me.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I guess i'd be big shot Bob, you know
those moments? Yeah, I know that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
It just shooting comes easy to me. Acting is a
little tougher. You need the challenge.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yes, seven rings though.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, that's why we're so shocked that you said, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I don't know that alone Steven Rings.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I know, Okay, you could be Lawrence Fishburn or Robert
Orry Well Matrix. Yeah, I mean he's been in a
lot of incredible movies.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
He's been in in the Hood, John Wick, he's.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
Been in every or a lot of really greatcover.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, he's been in a lot. I don't know Lawrence
Fishburn or Robert or you haven't done that year, you
have not since the Yes.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
So the sitcom actor one is tough because it's got
to be a sitcom that has immortality. If you tell
me I'm Jim in the Office, that's a great role.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Would you rather be Michael from the Office or Robert.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Orry Michael from the Office, it's got immortality.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
Well so does Bob or yeah he's got some rings. Well,
wouln't you just to go Al Bundy? Would you rather
be Al Bundy?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Or I think I would need the combination of modern
family and married with children.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, you get all of it.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, you get his whole career.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, and I guess I take big shot Bob.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You guess Yeah, we'll just switch your arm. I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ed O'Neil made some pretty good coin from those shows
and syndication.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Michael from the Office or Tim Duncan, that old one.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, that's a toughye, right, I'm going to take Tim Duncan.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I don't think you believe what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, because you know what, even now when I watch
the Office with Michael, he's like, there, you know so
many how many characters are there like that? You know,
Kramer for Seinfeld was one of those guys. I mean
there's probably fifteen of those. It feels like, where you go, God,
how did they how did they create that?

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
They created that person. And Michael was one of those
guys where you go. I don't know, I don't know
how it started, but it's so brilliant of Michael and
how Michael was so clueless on what was going on
around him, but brilliantly clueless.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yes, I was watching episode of the Office just yesterday
and Michael rented a rental car that had GPS and
is the first time using it, and he was trusting
it to a fault. He drove into a reservoir and
he's driving into it and Dwight's going, don't don't He goes,
I trust this and he actually drove into it.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I like when he got his plasma TV at his
house and he brought over Jim and Pam dinner party,
and he was so excited. But it's one of those
it's about as large as the computer monitor that I
have here, nineteen inch plasma and he was so proud
of it, and how he had mountain on the wall,

(11:53):
huge wall, real small TV there.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Okay, well, welcome to the show. As you can tell.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
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So we'll settle on a poll question. A little bit
more on the coverage of Caitlin Clark. I saw where

(12:22):
the Chicago Tribune had an op ed piece where they
talked about the assault on Caitlyn Clark. If it happened
on the street, that would have been an assault. No,
it wouldn't have been. You lost me there. You want
to talk about the situation, the play whatever, that every

(12:44):
play in hockey would be an assault on the street.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
So all of a.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sudden, you got too many people getting involved in this
now and they've all of a sudden become overnight experts.
They want to talk about WNBA, they want to talk race,
they want to talk Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. She
had a comment yesterday. We'll have that for you coming up.
She didn't come off well with this, so got a

(13:11):
lot to get to phone calls as well. A little
bit later on Ed O'Neil the actor and Robert oriol
Rio will join us. We will remember the great Larry
Allen Hall of Fame lineman who died at the age
of fifty two. So a lot of things to get to.
Will take a break just getting started on this Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
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Speaker 2 (14:18):
We'll get to your phone calls coming up. Settling on
a pole question, are we going to go with the
Robert or Ed O'Neill poll question today, Seaton.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
You mean the sixth Man sitcom? Yes, classic pole questions.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I'm going to go with that.

Speaker 7 (14:30):
We're gonna go with seats for the finals or the finals?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, yeah, because it's the NBA Finals, but with the
Stanley Cup at Stanley Cup Final final singular as supposed
to plural.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, yes, Marmon.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
I'm still confused by that because there's more than one game, true, huh,
But it's the event, gotcha. It's the Stanley Cup Final
that could have seven games, So should it be the
NBA Final?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I think they're fine with it.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, tomato tomato if you like to say tomato tomato.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, Paul, we looked into this a few years ago. Grammatically,
we reached out to a professor and He suggested that
final is correct because it is a event. But then
you can make the case that a series of games
would be finals, so you could wink at that.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
But there's only one final.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
The event is the Stanley Cup Final and should be
the NBA Final. Yes, it's a seven games that makes
up one event. Yes, so final is probably better. Okay,
back to you, Grammar. Team is up early.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Yeah, is a living breathing thing.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
It changes.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I didn't even know what day it was, so I
who am I to complain here today?

Speaker 4 (15:49):
That important?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, Thursday is when the NBA starts the NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yes, of course Reggie Miller will join is on Thursday.
That's when the NBA Finals starts.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
And that's not tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
No, it's not because tomorrow is Wednesday all day. Yeah, yeah, okay,
hump Day as they call it a day you know. Yeah, okay, yep,
get ready.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Angel Reese spoke to the media. She didn't speak to
the media after the game against Caitlyn Clark, but a
member of the Chicago Sky, the national title winner at LSU,
and she talked about where all this attention started with
her and Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
And she had this to say. It all started from
the National Championship game.

Speaker 11 (16:40):
And I've been dealing with this for two years now
and understanding like, yeah, negative things have probably been said
about me, but honestly, I'll take that because look where
women's basketball is. People are talking about women's basketball. You've
never would think that we talking about women's basketball. People
are pulling up to games. We got celebrities coming to
games South au Arenas, like just because of one single game,
and just looking at that, like, I'll take that role.

(17:02):
I'll take the Baguye role, and I'll continue to take
that on and be that for my teammates. And if
I want to be that, and I know I'll go
down to history. I'll look back in twenty years and
be like, yeah, the reason why we're watching women's basketball
is not just because of one person.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's because of me too.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
And I want you to realize that.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Okay, if she would have left it with what she
had to say right before the last couple of words,
I would have been fine with it. She's embraced the villain,
she understands social media. She's done quite well. She is
cashed in, literally cashed in, but her attention. Her notoriety

(17:36):
is based off Caitlyn Clark because she wins the national title.
First thing she does, she mocks Kaitlyn Clark and then
she doesn't even celebrate with her teammates, so she's made
it personal with Caitlyn Clark. Then she's played off of that.
Even Caitlyn Clark getting knocked down in that game on Saturday,
who's standing up applauding but Angel Reese. So she's sort

(17:57):
of embraced a Draymond Green role here. But the eyeballs
on the WNBA really have to do with Caitlin Clark.
Now you might if you stay long enough, maybe you'll
see something or someone there. You go, Okay, I'm entertained
by this, But there's nothing wrong with admitting that you
watch a sport because of one singular person. People watch

(18:20):
golf because of Tiger, Right, you tuned in no matter
what event Tiger was playing, you were going to watch.
They're still trying to capitalize on him playing in the
US Open NBC in Peacock. Their graphic has Scotti, Scheffler,
Rory McElroy, and then who's looming larger on the screen
but Tiger. So they're still trying to squeeze everything they

(18:42):
can out of Tiger. When Gretzky got to the La Kings,
MESSI goes to the MLS. Maybe Connor McDavid with Edmonton,
Like you're trying to there's somebody you may tune in
to watch, and then maybe if you watch, then maybe
you appreciate what you're seeing. WNBA has been around a
couple of DECs and people didn't notice the game. They're

(19:03):
noticing it now, Well, that's because of Caitlin Clark, not
Angel Reese. Angel Reese has played a role in this,
and she's a very good player, but there's nothing about
her game that's really interesting that is going to translate
to people who may not watch the WNBA, may not
care about basketball. She is a social media star and

(19:23):
she is capitalized on that and maybe she embraces being
the villain. But make no mistake about it, Caitlin Clark
is the reason why everybody has an opinion on what
happened in that game.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It's Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now, do I think it was assault as the Chicago
Tribune said, No, it was not. It was a hard foul.
It's wrong. You don't need it in the game. And
there's a lot of things that came out of that.
People bringing in race. Okay, you can bring in race.
Do I think everybody's jealous of Caitlin Clark? I don't,

(19:58):
but I do think they are out to prove a point.
You're not coming in and dominating our game because we
are grown women and we are going to be physical
with you. Now dirty, then I have a problem with that.
But you're playing tough. It's competition, and now everybody has
to have an opinion, and now you have got it.

(20:19):
Feels like we ruined it, Like okay, you wanted our attention,
now you got our attention. Now you're like, lait, hold
on here, let's not bring in all these other things here.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
How about can we just watch the game? Can we
appreciate the game? Welcome to life as a woman when
men get involved. Yes, I got involved and ruined everything.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
It was going just fine, yes, and now we jumped
in ruined it, and then we're just gonna be like,
oh no, you guys figure it out.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Now, okay? Yeah, And I don't.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I don't like the other narrative, like you have the
gatekeepers now, like, hey, we've been playing basketball a long time,
where were you. Now you know we're watching because of
Caitlin Clark. I didn't watch the MLS MESSI started playing.
I watched the MLS people watching Tiger Tiger. You know
they didn't play golf, but there was Tiger. There was

(21:06):
something about him. You have a singular figure here, but
now you have everybody who has to have there's a
referendum here, an opinion. You think you know the game,
you know what you know? How are they playing all?
They're they're rougher on her. What her teammates need to
do is stand up for her. That would I would

(21:26):
start with that. And the commissioner of the WNBA has
got to take control of this to say there's hard fouls,
but then there's going above and beyond the call of duty.
That's where you got to be careful with this. And
I don't care who it is. Angel Rees got fouled
earlier this season and a game against the Connecticut son
that was a dirty play and I don't know if

(21:48):
anybody singled that out, but she that was a potential
injury waiting to happen when she fell in the angle
that she fell. But I didn't hear anybody they're going
no referendum on that. It was it was a hard
foul and it was a flagrant fowl. But Caitlyn Clark,
I don't want her to get all the calls, but

(22:11):
I also want her to be at least treated fairly.
If you're going to officiate a game. Now, she got
all the calls. It felt like in college. Here she's
not and you know, she's doing her best to try
to sell a foul. But if you're going to have
hard fouls on her, that I think reflects poorly on
the WNBA, treat her fairly. And you know, as far

(22:33):
as jealousy goes, I think it's just competition. Like, if
you're out there, you want the best player. I want you.
I want to shut you down. I don't care what
it takes. I mean, this is their livelihood. But I
think Angel Reese is jealous of Caitlyn Clark. She thinks
she's you know, the reason why this is all happening here,

(22:55):
Caitlin Clark was going to get eyeballs whether she played
against Angel Reese and La she or not, because we
had not seen anything like this before.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Her style of play.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
There's great players in the game, wonderful players, you know,
I go back to Diana Trossi. I love watching her play.
She's still playing. What is she forty one and she
just had thirty one points the other night. I mean,
Sue Bird played at a high level. So many great players,
I mean I go back to Cheryl you know, Cynthia

(23:27):
Cooper to meek A Catchings. I mean, there are so
many great players, but maybe they didn't capture your imagination.
Caitlin Clark has people watched. Now everybody wants to have
an opinion on this, and that's where it clutters, muddies
up everything that the women have tried to do. They've
been there, you just haven't noticed. Now you're noticing, and

(23:50):
now you have an agenda. Now you have an opinion.
And that's where no matter what you're saying, or who's
saying it, or how you're saying it, everybody has a platform.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Now, yeah, pulling It's.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Interesting the Angel Reese cut. I had heard it yesterday
and they only cut it to the last eight seconds
ten seconds to hear it in context. Though she does
have a lot of points about what the situation actually is,
she is clearly not the draw and not the type
of player that Clark is She's a good call, very
good college player and a GOODNBA player. But that incident
in college LSU Iowa took that sport and broke it out,

(24:26):
and we spent the entire offseason talk about can we
get a rematch of these two. It's set up the
senior year for Clark. Now, she is not the star
player in this play Reese, but she has a big
element in the past year and a half of basketball.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, she played the
role of villain, but it was personal with her. I
don't think it was personal with Caitlin Clark, but it
was with Angel Rees. She was clearly bothered by Caitlyn
Clark and the attention. But people aren't tuning in to
watch Angel Reese play basketball. Angel Reese against Caitlyn Clark.
Then they'll watch that. I mean, and I love having

(25:01):
a rivalry. I said that yesterday. We don't have enough rivalries. Now,
you know, the w NBA has a rite and when
Chicago and Indiana play, you'll watch like, what are the rivalries.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
In the NBA? Where you go, Gilly, they don't like
each other?

Speaker 12 (25:17):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Load management and the fans?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, that's the rivalry.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
There's no the way it used to be with Philly
and the Celtics, or Celtics and the Lakers, or the
Knicks against the cell I mean, what is your rivalry?
There is none, And I do appreciate a good rivalry
like baseball had the Red Sox and the Yankees, which
wasn't really a rivalry because the Yankees always won until

(25:44):
the Red Sox won. Now you have a rivalry like
the Giants and the Dodgers rivalry, but you don't have
many of them. And I love to have that where
you tune in because it just feels like it's more
than just a game.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
There's tension there.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
These guys don't like each other, these women don't like
each other.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Fine with that, it's competition, Yeah, pulling.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Do you think that Angel Reese is very calculated recently
with what she's doing And I'm complimenting her. She made
a lot of money and il wise for last year
at LSU, and it feels like she's embracing this role
and leaning into it and even leading into any criticism
off her comments because she knows it's gonna pay her
back because she can't make money on the floor. And
then WNBA, you have to make it off the floor. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
No, No, she's done well, she's capitalized.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
As long as you're willing to wear the black hat,
you're gonna be the villain. As long as you're willing
to do that, then fine. It's like Draymond Green likes
to be the bad guy until he gets criticized being
the bad guy, and he's like, wait a minute here, No,
you want to be the bad guy, then we're going
to criticize you when you go above and beyond the
call of duty. But Angel Reese playing the social media

(26:58):
game all the way to the bank?

Speaker 8 (27:00):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
JJ and Jersey, Hi, JJ, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 5 (27:07):
JJ?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yo yo?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Hey? How am I close?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
You're on?

Speaker 12 (27:13):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Mark? Dan Dan, I'm with San Patrick, one of my
I what's up Dan Dan? Listen. I'm a big fan
you and the dan Nets. Uh five nine A lean
mean one four? There we go, listen. Uh. I just
wanted to share my take on the Kaitlyn Clarks thing
because up until just just hearing you right now, I

(27:33):
feel like you were making a lot of excuses for
Kennedy Carter and you know, like you said, like we
all agree, Taylin Carson's been getting beat up. He's been
getting beat up all season and she hasn't cried, she
hasn't said boo about it, whatever. But that play on
Saturday was different.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Man.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
It was dirty and I had a mean I don't know,
like my daughter played high school basketball. They want the
South Jersey title on theer. A lady who is now
the head coach at fdu G one, and she would
have never tolerated that match.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, I know I wouldn't tolerate it. It was a
hip check. It isn't like you want to undercut somebody.
That's a dirty play.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Look at the play where Angel Reese gets knocked down
against the Connecticut Sun, and then that's a dirty play.
What happened with Caitlin Clark was wrong. Her head coach
even said it was wrong. I'm not giving Kennedy Carter
any leeway here. I don't want that in the game,

(28:31):
but I have to look at what was going on
between those two words were exchanged. But this wasn't a
singular out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Look at it.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Put it in context. But I am in no way
giving her a hall pass going, man, she deserved that.
There have been dirty plays against Caitlyn Clark is it
coincidental or is it going to be habitual? And that's
the problem that I have. The WNBA, their commissioner should
say something. Just those officials at least are aware of

(29:03):
what's going on here. And I don't want to get
in preferential treatment, but I don't want it to work
the other way. It feels like this is rookie hazing.
It feels like the WNBA might be hazing her like
welcome to the league. This is how we play, and
you better understand that.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That's all. But some of the other things.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And Kaitlin Clark can't be you know, calling another woman
the B word without you know, kind of some kind
of retribution here. Does that mean you hipchecker? No, it
does not, no room for it. I would have tossed her.
I would suspend her for a game. So there, just
so you know where I stand on this, I'm not going,

(29:44):
yeah you know what, yeah, that going. We were on
the Kaitlyn Clark bandwagon when don't she was a sophomore.
I mean, her first national interview was our show. So
I'm aware of the phenomenon of who she is and
how she plays all of that stuff. But my job
is still to be fair to the entire story. Not

(30:05):
cheerleader here, but that situation is wrong and there's no
place in basketball for that. Andrew and Washington, Hi Andrew, good.

Speaker 12 (30:17):
Morning, Dan and Danna. Thanks for taking my call the
same ILK I mean, the way I look at it
is the w NBA Stars. This has been brewing since
Kaitlyn Clark was in college, and they knew that she
was coming in. They didn't want to ride her gravy train.
I think that's what they're saying is we didn't pick
her as the base of our league. We don't want
her as the face of our league, but they'll end
up with her as the face of her league. I

(30:38):
don't know if Paige Becker's or GG Walkins will go
through this same Brookie hazing. This seems like it's gotten
past the hazing moment. You know, everybody says they always
have their welcome to the league moment. This seems like
welcome to the league season, and so I do think
it's going out of hand. If you look at Kennedy
Carter's background too, He's already been dismissed from two teams,
she was out of the NBA. She just now got

(31:00):
another chance and he's messing it up. So there's also
something just personally with Kennedy Carter that she's kind of
a player that has some attitude problems. But I think
Katelyn Clark is getting a fair brunt of it just
because the league didn't pick her in the league doesn't
want her at least the players don't want her as
their Bravey training.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean I would at least embrace what she's meant
or can mean for the WNBA. If it means more eyeballs,
then everybody's going to benefit. But that doesn't mean I
allow her to do what she did at Iowa. And
I think that's where people are surprised when they watch.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
This is different. Everything's contested. Now do I think they
should be picking up her ninety four feet and they
are doing that, And even when they're back is to
the ball, they're just face guarding Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, look, you ask for the attention, you're coming in,
You got the attention. It's a whenever I would play
an opponent and they played a box in one, I
hated it. I was so damn mad, but my coach said, hey,
take it as a compliment. I hated it, but still
that's what's happening to her. The attention is there, but

(32:12):
I don't think that there should be these kind of
go out of my way to hurt you, intentionally hurt you.
That's where we have a disconnect here. And that's what
I worry about. If you're watching the WNBA, that you're
able to watch it and appreciate the basketball that and
there are some wonderful players there.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yes, Mark, if.

Speaker 8 (32:32):
You're the commission of the WNBA, how do you capitalize
off of this attention that's just on Caitlin Clark to
try to focus on other players, maybe like Asie Wilson
or whoever. How do you try to get that attention
to others?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I think you. I can't force you to like something,
and we try to do that. Oh you gotta like soccer.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
I don't have to.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I didn't play it growing up. And then I watch
and I go, okay, I kind of get it. Okay,
that guy's great hockey. Same way, you can't force people
to like it. But if I open your eyes and
you get to watch and you sample it, that's when
like Tiger created that, he opened a lot of different eyes.

(33:14):
He opened a lot of opportunities, and you know, minorities
wanting to play golf, they didn't want to play golf,
or they couldn't play golf, didn't get the opportunity. Now,
all of a sudden, you see somebody like you and
you go, oh okay. Sometimes that's what it takes. You
see somebody who is like you and you go, oh okay,
I'm going to watch what Gretzky did to hockey in

(33:35):
the United States. You know, you have these singular phenomenons,
take advantage of it the best you can. I think
the WNBA has not been fair to Caitlin Clark in
the fever because loading up their games playing against the
best teams in the WNBA, and she's clearly tired.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Now they have a little bit of a break.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think at the back end of the schedule, you're
going to see Caitlin Clark probably put up a couple
of high scoring games, get some rest. They played more
games than anybody, and they crammed it in in like
a twenty day period, and I think with some rest
now she understands, Okay, this is what it's like every
single night. Not every team is like you know, Connecticut

(34:19):
or the Aces. You know, so I think she's going
to have a better understanding. Maybe you get to see
the glimpse of what we saw at Iowa. I'm more
curious about how she is next year when she comes back.
What she do in the off season, what's her preparation.
That will tell me a lot about how successful or
how unsuccessful she'll be in the eyes of a lot

(34:41):
of people.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
All right, let me take a break, just getting started here.
We'll come back. We got our play of the day
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(35:53):
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Speaker 5 (35:58):
ADP.

Speaker 14 (35:58):
Let's stay with the narrative of these crazy comparisons. So
if we're sticking to the fact that the w NBA,
Kaitlyn Clark is the face of the w NBA, so
the DP show, are you Kaitlyn Clark and the Danets
or Angel Reese?

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Hmmm? Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I wouldn't put myself in that category. I wouldn't put
the dan Nuts in that category either. They're they're they're unique.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
I mean, people aren't just watching the show for you, Dan.
That is true me too, that is true. I'm comfortable
being that. Maybe you are Angel Reese.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'm comfortable being there. Okay, yeah, I guess I'm Kaitlin Clark.
Do you know you can't. It's funny.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
The funny thing about the Angel Reese SoundBite is that
when you listen to it, you're like, oh gosh, you
shouldn't have said that, even though she's right. I think
everything that she said there is absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
You're not.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
Angel Reese took the Caitlin Clark her career from a
level of like, Wow, this girl could really shoot to
oh dang, Now we got a real rivalry here.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Now we have a real story.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Now we have something to the whole idea of what
happened in the National Championship game, and then, like Paul
was saying, the build up to it and then watching
that play out the whole next year. Angel Reese's involvement
in that is immeasurable. She was a massive part of
taking We're still going to watch Caitlyn Clark no matter
what happened to Angel Rees. I don't know that that's true.

(37:20):
They only played one time, correct, and then they had
we had to wait.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
And it was at one time.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
All of a sudden, the White House is involved, and
it's like, no, we have to invite both people here.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
We can't just have LSU. We also have to have Bio.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
That was a good game by everybody, and we need
to make sure that Caitlin Clark is here too, you know,
I mean that was all a part of making that
next year as big as it was.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, I just I think Caitlin Clark was going to
be a phenomenon no matter what happened with Angel Rees.
Do I think that it added a side topic to it? Absolutely?
But do I think that's like she's the reason why
you're tuning into games. Angel Reese is saying, Hey, they're
tuning in to watch me too.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
No, I don't think I think that Angel. I think
Angel Reese's role in making Caitlin Clark bigger than what
she would have been I think is real. Okay, but
people aren't tuning in to watch Angel Reese. That's the
problem I had at the very end of it. Hey
they're watching me too, And that's not true.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
There's nothing about Angel Reese's game where you go gotta
see that it must see TV. She's just a really
good interior player and she'll give you a double double
every night. But there's nothing about her where you go,
oh my god. So you're not tuning in to see her.
You're tuning in to see her against Caitlyn Clark. Let

(38:40):
me know the next time you tune in to see
the sky, because you're gonna watch just her and Kennedy
Carter play.

Speaker 8 (38:46):
Yes, Mark, but I think this started in college too,
because Angel Reese was an All American and so she's saying, wait,
why is all the attention on her when I've been
the best player on the best team all year at
LSU And all of a sudden she's getting all this
And I get you. Andrewes is a star. She might
not be the star that Kaitlyn Clark is, but people
do go to see her. Maybe you might not, but

(39:07):
she might have a not a Dennis Robminfield, but people
are going to see her, Okay, not like Kaitlin Clark.
They're coming to see her.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah, it's very much levels. It's not comparable like the
Fever's attendance as tripled per game. The Chicago Sky attendance
is up twenty seven percent. That's fantastic. That's up twenty
three Cameron Brink for the LA team. My daughter's tune
into her games. They don't make it appointment programming, but
they tune in Andrese, they tune in. They see her

(39:41):
that you lean towards it. But that's a much different
level with Clark.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, but I'm talking about people on the periphery of
watching the WNBA. You're not tuning in to watch Angel
rees That's what we're talking about here. That's the phenomenon
of people who aren't golf fans watch Tiger, people who
aren't hockey fans watch Gretzky, people who it might not
be basketball fans for watching Kitlyn Clark.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
That's the difference here, Yes, it is, it's completely different.
I just think that.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
You know, it's also more likely too that when you
look and you're like, hey, the Chicago Sky's attendance is up,
and it's like, yeah, well Caitlyn Clark, you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Somehow she gets credit for that too. Maybe maybe she's
getting too much credit. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
She's a great player. She's an absolute superstar. There's no
doubt about that. Caitlin Clark is one hundred percent of superstar.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yes, yes, what are we arguing about?

Speaker 7 (40:33):
I think Angel Reese has plays a large role in
elevating Caitlin Clark's superstardom from one level to another, because
all of a sudden, you had a rivalry you had
like she doesn't even didn't like each other.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
She doesn't even guard Caitlyn Clark all she did is
make a gesture mocking her after they won the title, Like,
I guess it's a rivalry, but.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
She doesn't checker, she didn't guarter. But that one moment.

Speaker 7 (41:04):
Elevated the entire storyline times ten.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Well, she's embraced the role and it's paying off for
literally Yes, absolutely no problem with her capitalizing on that,
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