June 13, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan talks to former NBA star Andre Iguodala about the Boston Celtics taking a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals and his experience with Jerry West. And golf analyst Rich Lerner stops by to talk about the US Open and Scottie Scheffler’s current dominance over the PGA Tour.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's our two and this Thursday, Dan and the Dan
Nuts Dan Patrick Show will take you to Pinehurst number
two opening round of the US Open. Rich Lerner Golf
Channel host will join us. Ice Cube will join us
next hour and we'll talk to the four time NBA champ,
Andre Igudala. He'll join us coming up here shortly. Boston
Celtics now on the verge of their eighteenth championship. They
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survive at twenty two to two run. That was in
the fourth quarter. It got interesting. Luca had a couple
of fouls fouled out late in the game and Boston
takes the game three one O six ninety nine, so
up three games to none. It was Tatum and it
was Brown. Thirty one points for Tatum, thirty for Jalen Brown,
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and Kyrie did his best. He had thirty five in
the loss. But he has now lost thirteen consecutive games
to the Celtics if you include the regular season and
the postseason. Stat of the Day brought to you by
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The Pole Question the results from our one Todd seating
is off today. His son is graduating from eighth grade.
(01:12):
So Todd's got the duties. I said, duties. Ask your
poll question. Yes, Ted, if you're.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A Celtics fan that has tickets for Game five at home,
I'd want the Celtics too sweep the MAVs fifty six
percent lose Game four to set up a possible clinching
Game five at home forty four percent.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Okay, what are we going to go with our two?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
We can go with.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
How about this?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Can we just say it's Scotty Scheffler or the field
before every golf event?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Now, yes, that's fair. No, that was just a Tiger
thing in his prime.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I would say yes, And I'm going to ask rich
Lerner that he's kind of creeping into the Tiger Woods neighborhood,
and that is Tiger of the field. But that was
years that we did that Tiger of the field, and
most of the time we took Tiger versus the field.
Scotty Scheffler, and I said, this last hour, he's having
an unbelievable year. Tiger had ten consecutive years like this.
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That'll kind of put it in perspective. Scheffler's playing great
and I know people said, well, you don't have to
play against the best players. Those some of those players
are on the live tour. You can only play against
who you're playing, you know, whoever's out there. And a
lot of times you're playing against the golf course. You're
playing against the golf course at Pinehurst number two, you're
playing against the golf course. When you go to the Masters,
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you're playing against the golf course. When you go to
the British Open. If brooks Kepka is there, John Rahm
isn't there. That's not Scotti Scheffler's fault. Brooks Kepka. Kepka,
by the way, is top of the leaderboard, at least
he has been after eight holes. Tiger's playing okay. I
think a lot of people wagering on Tiger to make
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the cut. What else do we have there, Todd?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Another possibility would be how much Panthers oilers? Stanley Cup
Final Game three do you plan to watch tonight?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
All of it? Coolest game on Earth, baby, take a
peek here and there. No thank you. I'll wait for
NBA Finals Game four tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
A little snarky there, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I'll be watching the hockey.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, my Panthers at the oilers here, thank you. We'll
recap Tom Brady night in Foxboro, Patriot Hall of Famer.
I didn't even know this thing was happening. All of
a sudden, I'm like, Oh, they're gonna have a Hall
of Fame ceremony for Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I go, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I didn't know he got into the Hall of Fame.
And then it was like, oh, it's the Patriots Hall
of Famer, sixty thousand, last night for Tom Brady, Hall
of Fame night. All right, once again Celtics. They had
all different weapons here and they are the better team
dominating and it's shown it so far. It's been a
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historical run. If they win on Friday Night, that'll be
an eighty and twenty record for the regular season in
the postseason.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
This guy knows all about titles.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Andre Gudala won four titles with the Warriors MVP in
the finals in twenty fifteen. His podcast Point Forward with
Evan Turner, and they delve into the latest sports, business
and culture. Point Forward part of SB Nation and Vox
Media podcast Network. Andre, good to have you on here.
(04:17):
How would you recap last night?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Last night? Was I keep saying that every halftime, you
see the game close with Dallas's best shot, and you'll
see Dallas was only a one, having a great first
half and a few key plays where Boston got breakout
easy buckets. You saw it in the first few games
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as well, where Dallas would score, Boston will come right
back and get a layup, which is mind boggling. In
the finals, and I think you saw Boston just, you know,
like you said, being a better team, Boston sticking to
the strengths. When Luca goes out, Boston takes advantage of
it and they build a momentum. I love Kyrie vast
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game and it's interesting when I see sort of the
social commentary behind one player and why a team lost.
I just think Boston is the better team. They always
take advantage of certain situations. They always have these huge runs,
and even when they're not playing their best, as Dallas
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comes out every game with that first punch, Dallas always responds,
or excuse me, Boston always responds, and they're either at
one or a few at a time, and then they
just take it over in the third quarter and then
at least two large.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I know that the Mavericks are here because of Luca.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But I think they're in a hole because of Luca
as well, because last night's in excusable, Like you pick
up those found you can't foul out you and I
don't Those aren't even good defensive plays that he's trying
to pull off. It's lazy defense, trying to get a
charge there and then.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
You foul out.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But how do you work I don't know how you
can work the referees the way he does to your advantage,
because if I'm a referee and they're a human, you
know this where they got to be going.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
You got to be kidding me.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This guy complains all the time. What would you say
to him if you're a teammate.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Well, I've only seen defensive players be able to work
the refs in the manner to their benefit because they
want to be more physical. You know, it's always offensive
players advantage. As a defensive player in the NBA, I
think we've all would agree on that, and that's not
a knock. It's just the way the game has been played.
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And with Luca being an offensive player, I think they've
done a great job of hiding him defensively throughout the
playoffs this year. But with a team like Boston, they're
just going to keep attacking, attack and attack, and they're
getting to the paint. I think Jason Tatum has been
amazing at taking what the defense gives them. I have
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twelve thirteen assists in the first half of Game two,
and just the way he's finding his guys and the
way Jr. Holliday's playing, Derek White's playing Sam Houser was
huge for him last night knocking that open baskets and
people don't understand that's all of We're going to attack
the weakness on defense to get our best shot. What
I would say to Luca is you got to be
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comfortable with being uncomfortable. That was something we would say
a lot with the Miami e Donna's has them says
that a lot. And you got to understand, as one
of the best players in the league, a lot comes
with that. And one thing that comes with that is
that you can't have any weaknesses and defensively, we can't
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have the hole that the perception of you is of
our defense where they're just attacking you. They're just attacking you,
and then you know you got your bigs. You got
Derek Jones Jr. You got your defensive guys sort of
out of sorts trying to cover for the point of
attack for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I just I can't have him on the perimeter
trying to check, you know, Jason Tatum off the dribble.
I mean, it's just you're putting yourself in a position
that's more advantageous for Tatum or Brown and he doesn't
have the quickness.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
To be able to do this. How do you hide
somebody who can't play defense.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, you can't give up blowbys. And I don't think
you asked him to be a great defensive player. That's
not what you're asking him to do. But you're asking
him to give you four or five seconds of defense.
That's what you ask for. Give me five seconds of
keeping the ball in front of you will funnel the
ball a certain way, and then the most important thing
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is to recover on the rotation on the backside. When
you do get beat off a drive, and they can't
be straight line drives. They got to be angle drives
toward the baseline where your help's built in. Once your
man pulls over from the baseline, there's going to be
a swing. Swing. Swing Boss has done a great job
of Normally you don't get to one or two swings
in the NBA after the drive. The Celtics have got
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to two or three swings and another drive and another
two or three swings, So they've just done a great
job of executing. So you got to play well well,
luk At, it's more like I need ten seconds of
defense and in the finals it should be twenty four.
It shouldn't be hard to ask for a complete effort
with a complete backside rotation and just communicating with you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
He'sonder Aa Gudala won four titles with the Warriors, won
the MVP in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Did you think you were going to win the finals MVP?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Well, this is the world we live in now, where
that particular ward is such, it's under such a microscope
and for us, I don't think anyone was thinking about it.
And that's the new age world of sports that we
live in.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
But when you hear your name, yeah, Bob Myers alerted
me literally ten seconds before I happened, and I was
just in such joy in relation that it wasn't in
my mind, like I didn't even realize that that was
a part of the ceremony post game, so it wasn't on.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It wasn't on any I don't know if it was
on any of our minds. You know, we were just
so excited to win the championship, so when you hear
your name, it was just like WHOA, and I don't.
I don't think I put it into context, proper context
until maybe like a couple of days later, when I
kept hearing about it. I guess it was when I
got the email that I was let in on this
tech investment that it all sunk in because this company
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kept telling me no, they were oversubscribed on their investment round.
But when I won finals MVP, there was there was
some room made available, So that that's when it's that's
when it all kicked in.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Do you bust STEP's chops though, when you win the MVP?
Speaker 8 (10:51):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Actually never. I don't know if we've ever had a
conversation about it. If anything, Steph would say.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
He didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
All think is that he does. Think. I think it's
more I wouldn't have been able to get it without him.
I mean I took a lot of wide open shots,
you know, obviously I was able to stick to my
strengths defensively, my Swiss army knife skill set I heard
a lot about when I was in Philly, and I
was able to do all those things. There was just
a perfect moment on a perfect team and couldn't have
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been I wouldn't have been able to do it without
Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm looking at whatever you're You got a bunch of
books behind you. Know I don't see any Oh yes, wait,
where's where's trophies? Where's do you have any things in there?
Doesn't I would never know your basketball player when I
look behind you.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I have a it's one trophy. A company of the
board I joined went public and so that was a
big moment uh to be on the stock market trading
floor when we went public. But my trophies are I
finally like put them up in like kind of a display.
But I'm not a trophy guy. So I had rings
that I couldn't find, or not that I couldn't find,
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I just didn't see because they were wondering, never been open.
It was just like tucked away under some clothes that
I picked up one day.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, you have a hat that says logo on it?
You had Jerry West the logo who worked with Golden State.
What got memories come to mind?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
With Jerry, the fastest golfer I've ever played with, and
we became really close. I'm really close with his son, Johnny.
Got to know his wife, Michelle Wee West. Just a
beautiful family. I've got to see the real Jay West,
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and to see the real Jay West. He leaves. He
leaves a mark on you, a brill impact on you.
Just what you know, he what he stood for as
a professional basketball player. I think he was the beginning
of what it meant to be a real professional basketball player.
We spoke about, you know, guys in the NBA having
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side jobs back then. He was the first full time
basketball player and he was able to set the stage
for what it meant and how to conduct yourself as
a professional basketball player. I mean they were he was
there with Oscar and when they started the union, And
when you think about that impact there and how we
how far we've come as as a body of players
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and our influence and our value globally in sports, just
how he left his fingerprint on it. I know, just
playing golf with him with some of our some of
my favorite moments with him, I got to hear the real,
the raw, the authentic Jerry West. And he was always
real and authentic no matter what setting he was in.
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But just to be around here him and you know
here his basketball philosophies, his take on the state of
the game, what needs to be changed, you know how
you overcome any type of fear, how you you know
how your demeanor has to be going into the finals.
I mean one of my favorite coasts was you know,
I was a wolf. Wolf eat dogs. Everyone talks about
how they're done, Well, I'm a wool I eat dog. Uh.
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But he had the same demeanor throughout his entire life
and wherever he was and wherever organization he was a
part of, there was always success and it was always high,
high standards that he set for the organization.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Great to talk to you, Good luck with the podcast,
Thanks for joining us. Andre Appreciation. That's Andre Agudala. He
was four time NBA champ. Point Forward podcast Andre and
Evan Turner. They have a sports business culture takes. Point
Forward part of esp Nation and Vox Media podcast network. Yeah,
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he won the finals MVP, but largely, you know, it
was about defense and that he was hitting some clutch shots. Yeah,
you know, you're in the moment, like you win a title,
and all of a sudden, he's probably not even thinking, Hey,
I'm gonna be the finals MVP or when do they
announce that? And then all of a sudden, Meyers the
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GM goes, oh, you're going to be the finals MVP.
Huh you got ready to get ready for that?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (15:07):
Mark is Andre Iguidala the I don't want to maybe
you know I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Is he the NBA's equivalent of Julian Edelman.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay, all right, good regular season player, but four titles
in an MVP.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, Olympic gold. Yeah, that's right. He's part of the Olympics.
He was an All Star once. Yeah, yeah, I can
see that.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I'll give you a bloop on that blue Blue All right,
coming up, we'll take you down to Pinehurst and check
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Speaker 2 (17:08):
I've mentioned a few times that I did play Pinehurst
number two. It was one of the longest day's worst
days of my life. But that's a tribute to this
course because it's very difficult, very difficult, and you even
the pros like, there's gonna be guys that are probably
going to be walking off the course today going what
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the hell just happened here?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Or what was that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And then you got three more days There rich Lerner
is covering you just got off the air. He was
doing play by play for a USA network also Golf
channel anchor, reporter, commentator. It can be a slog there
as I felt when I played Pinehurst number two, How
would you describe the course to somebody who hadn't played well?
Speaker 12 (17:55):
A nice to be with you, Dan, And I don't
mean to suggest that Pinehurst is Mickey Mouse in any way.
And I grew up in Allentown, Pennsylvania at a driving
range o by my dad. We also had a miniature golf,
but you can very easily. And Tiger himself said this.
You can play putting ping pong here. You can get
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going where you are just off the green. They call
them the surrounds. And you'll hear the phrase runoffs this week.
And let's say you pull your putter out like we
all do, your own fringe, and maybe you have three
or four feet of fringe, and all told, it's maybe
a twenty foot shot. You hit that putt and it
doesn't quite get to the crest, and in what is
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in my estimation, the most depressing Daniel and I would
would have experienced this many times. It is the most
depressing single shot in golf, even more so than a
water bowl. It's the one that comes back to your
feet and it takes a long time to get there,
and you know it's coming back, and you're just thoroughly
melancholy at that point. I gave a buddy of mine
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last night as a long shot, relative long shot.
Speaker 13 (19:06):
He's top twenty in the world.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
So I hit the galap and just to show you
how you can be embarrassed here, the gala is seven
over through six. This is the kind of place that
can make you look silly in a hurry, and you
could hit it. The phrase pros will use is dead nuts,
meaning I hit it flush in the face and you
can still make double or triple. Because if you're off
here by a yard I'm talking middle of face, but
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you're a yard left of where you really need to be.
You hit the green, but a yard left of the
spot that thing runs off and who knows from there.
Speaker 13 (19:39):
So the greens are really diabolical here.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, And the facility I don't want people to misconstrue this.
Pinehurst is wonderful. Abandon Dune's Pebble Beach and Pinehurst if
you want like a weekend with the guys. I mean,
it's a wonderful, wonderful facility there. It's just Pinehurst number
two rough me up and made me I think reconsider
if I wanted to play golf on weekend anymore.
Speaker 13 (20:05):
You spend it.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
You know, if you're not playing well at Plainer's number two,
you're crooked off the team. You're spending most of the
day in what they call these native areas with the
wire grass, and you're just trapesing and you're dusty and
you're dirty, and you're chopping and chunking and hacking, and
then you get up to the green and your three,
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your four pot it.
Speaker 13 (20:29):
We did a little bit on the show this morning.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
You know Aaron Oberholzer, who finished ninth here at the
US Open in two thousand and five, said, you take
your average club champion wherever you might play, would be
a good player, probably say a two or three handicap.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
He said on this setup that club champ wouldn't break ninety.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Okay. That leads me to who does this course favor.
Speaker 13 (20:57):
Well kept his two under time for the league.
Speaker 12 (21:01):
Think about a guy like like Kepka, somebody you know,
built to slug it out with a golf course.
Speaker 13 (21:10):
It favors somebody with a good short game.
Speaker 12 (21:13):
Uh, somebody with patience who understands that, you know, a
bogie is not a bad score where it.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
Might be any other week.
Speaker 12 (21:22):
I give you is good More a cow is good
because he's precise with his iron play and his short
game is improved.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (21:31):
I mean, look, this is an old school US Open.
Speaker 12 (21:35):
In the three previous US Opens they had at Pinehurst
total of four guys broke part. So you have to
be able to compete, not complain, keep your head in
the game, you might make three consecutive bogies and you
need to bear down on a five foot from.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
Par on that fourth hole. So you know, somebody with
the kind.
Speaker 12 (21:59):
Of the right institution, and I'm thinking of the usual
suspects Koepka, Moriicava, and then obviously Scotty Scheffler, Scheffler's partnerway
the best player in the game right now.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But are we getting into Tiger's neighborhood of Scheffler versus
the field or are we already there?
Speaker 13 (22:19):
We're getting close.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
I will say this, there will be some justifiable comparisons
to Tiger with Scotti Scheffler in terms of how much
he separated himself from his peers.
Speaker 13 (22:32):
You go look at the world ranking.
Speaker 12 (22:34):
It is the greatest margin between one and two since
Tiger Woods. I just want to point out that Scotty
turns twenty eight next week.
Speaker 13 (22:46):
A week before his.
Speaker 12 (22:47):
Twenty eighth birthday, Tiger had won thirty eight times with
eight major championships.
Speaker 13 (22:54):
I might have it off by wonder if you're thirty
eight and.
Speaker 12 (22:56):
Eight somewhere in the neighborhood Scotty Schffler's have eleven and
wins two majors. There's no comparison to Tiger. But Scheffler's
dominating this current crop, and he just has more at
his disposal dan than anybody else.
Speaker 13 (23:14):
He has control of his irons, He's better mentally.
Speaker 12 (23:18):
He has a Tiger like short game, so that if
he misses the green, he has the ability to get.
Speaker 13 (23:23):
It up and down.
Speaker 12 (23:25):
He just he's more committed, he has more clarity, and
he has more control the three c's.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm talking to rich Lerner, Golf Channel anchor joining us
from Pinehurst and watching Tiger today.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
He looked, Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I know Tiger is never going to say that he
can't win, because I think before he started his round
he goes, you know, I got it. He always has
a chance in his mind because that he's Tiger. But realistically,
what are we looking at with Tiger from here on out?
Speaker 13 (23:57):
Would be a victory if he made the cut. I know,
to your.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
Point, he still thinks he can win. I don't think
he has enough reps. This is his fourth round of
the fourth tournament of the year. He withdrew from Riviera.
He made the cut at the Masters, didn't play great,
and he missed the cut at Valhall.
Speaker 13 (24:16):
At the PGA Championship.
Speaker 12 (24:17):
This is his first US Open since twenty twenty. He
just doesn't play enough. I don't think you can pop
up giving up twenty plus years to these best players
in this current generation and expect to compete. I will
say this, with the all time greats in any sport,
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you always think, do they have one more in them?
Speaker 13 (24:44):
I wonder though, if Tigers won more.
Speaker 12 (24:47):
Was the twenty nineteen Masters, when he was forty three.
When he won that Masters, he was playing very good golf.
He had won the Tour Championship, and remember the crowds
coming in behind him a the body piper. He won
the Tour Championship late the previous year in twenty eighteen.
He had some good finishes in the run up to
that Masters, and he was forty three. This is a
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forty eight year old guy who drags his legs around
like you know Earl Campbell, the great running back for
Texas Longhorns, Houston Oilers. After ten thousand carracks, you know
the Tiger of two thousand. That's just a long time
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and a lot of surgeries ago. But it's still a
thrill to watch him. He's still I think the best
to have ever done it, or we would say this.
For a period of ten years, nobody played the game
better ever.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
In the history of the sport. There's case to be
made that Nicholas is the greatest champion.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
Nicholas is not a case Nicholas is the greatest major
champion of all time. The numbers tell us that eighteen
to fifteen. Tiger has fifteen. And Tiger himself always said
in time he was a kid, the ones that matter
are the major championships. He had that number on his
bedroom walls a boy, eighteen and what does.
Speaker 13 (26:09):
That tell you?
Speaker 12 (26:10):
How you take care of your mind, body and spirit
over the long haul matters, and Nicholas, fair to say,
did a better job of that. But you know, in
terms of dominance and win percentage, which is another way
to measure greatness in any sport, the gap between number
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one in the world and everybody else was never wider
than it was when Tiger was in his prime in
his heyday. That fifteen shot win at the US Open
in two thousand, I think is the greatest performance in
the history of the game. Tiger was standing on the
shores of the Monterey Peninsula and everybody else was in
a rowbo somewhere near Australia.
Speaker 13 (26:51):
It was Dan, it was not close.
Speaker 12 (26:54):
He won tournaments by eight, by eleven, by fifteen, he
won six in a row.
Speaker 13 (27:00):
He had ten seasons of five and more wins.
Speaker 12 (27:03):
He made, you know, the ridiculous routine he made clutch
a habit. You brush your teeth before Betty made fifteen
foot step matter.
Speaker 13 (27:14):
I don't think we will forget.
Speaker 12 (27:16):
But as you watch Tiger kind of battle and struggle
with his body and against father time, it's nice to
remember who he was and.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
What he did.
Speaker 12 (27:28):
And yeah, he's the most the way I put it in,
he was the most reliably mind blowing performer I've ever seen.
Speaker 13 (27:35):
And I might say in any sport.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Who has a bigger shadow over their sport Michael Jordan
with the NBA or Tiger with the PGA Tour.
Speaker 13 (27:46):
It's comparable.
Speaker 14 (27:49):
You know, the golf has never quite been able to
capture the energy, the excitement, and I don't know how
you could that Tiger generated in terms of ratings, you know, uh,
bringing people from uh, you know, beyond golf to to
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to the television set.
Speaker 13 (28:12):
And I haven't done a deep diving in the numbers.
I suspect the NBA.
Speaker 12 (28:18):
Has done comparable or greater numbers even uh than they
did when Jordan was flying to I can't be sure.
I mean, we've had Steph Curry and Lebron James would
be you know, guys who were not quite at Jordan's
you know level. Lebron close. I'm a huge step fan.
I think he's underrated historically.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (28:39):
But but yeah, if they're if they're in Michael's zip code,
is that fair to say Dan? Would you say Lebron
and step would at least be in the neighborhood.
Speaker 13 (28:49):
They're not.
Speaker 12 (28:49):
They're not you know, at the top of the hill
where Jordan's living, but they're in that neighborhood. There's nobody
in Tiger's neighborhood in golf since he's played, you know,
Michelson Nicholson was a star. I don't honestly think we've
had that star. So Jordan was going to be the
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star and it sort of petered out. Maybe he has
something left, but I don't know. He's thirty now. It
gets away quickly, and that's really it. You know, Rory
had a chance. Ten years ago. Nicholas said he thought
he might win fifteen majors. He had won two in
a row and fourteen he hasn't won one since. And
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again we're talking about levels of greatness.
Speaker 13 (29:36):
Dan, you know Rory.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
While we're on that subject, Rory is undeniably a great player.
He sails into the Hall of Fames a twenty four,
wins four majors. But at this point we are talking
about levels of greatness and Rory hasn't quite gone to
that level we thought he might, and he still could.
Speaker 13 (29:59):
He's only five.
Speaker 12 (30:01):
But that level would be say the career Grand Slam,
which we talk about when he goes to the Masters.
He needs to win the Masters to become one of
six to have won all four of the majors, the
four different majors, and you know, it's Tiger, and it's Hogan,
and it's Satagine Player and Nicholas.
Speaker 13 (30:19):
That would take him to a sort of a.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
Rushmore esque level. But Rory, you know, again, he's great, but.
Speaker 13 (30:29):
Is he a legend? Legends rattled cages on Sundays.
Speaker 12 (30:34):
Rory, at least when he's had the chance in the
last five years, has not rattled cages.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
He had a chance at the US opened.
Speaker 12 (30:42):
Last year on Sundays and against Wyndham Clark a guy
with really no major championship track record, and he couldn't
rattle his cage. British Open two years ago at Saint
Andrews with Cam Smith on a gettable golf course. Smith
went out and shot sixty four and Rory could only
muster a seventy. Didn't rattle cages. You're gonna be a
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real legend of the game. You have to do something
heroic on Sundays at the majors. Maybe he'll do it again,
but it's been a long time, so the answer is no, nobody,
we're not. I think Tiger's shadow has been bigger than Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Great to talk to you, great appearance, have fun there
and thanks for joining us the way.
Speaker 13 (31:27):
Last thing, Dan, I just want to share this with you.
Speaker 12 (31:29):
You'll appreciate this coming of ages you did in the
seventies as I did. I went to golf camp here
at Pinehurst in nineteen seventy four when I was just
being introduced to the game. That was the era when
specialized sports camps were coming, you know, to the four
and specialized camps in general. The following year, my parents
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sent me to a reading camp, much to the shagrin
up my baseball coach who felt strongly that hitting ass
balls was way more important than speed reading Dostoyevsky, and
I agreed with him. I was livid with my parents
that they sent me the reading camp. It's embarrassing. Can
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you imagine that?
Speaker 13 (32:14):
Read basketball camp? Yeah, baseball camp, right, reading camp?
Speaker 5 (32:20):
How was that?
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Uh? Well you became a wordsmith though.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Rich Thank you m great to talk to.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Thank you, Bud. That's rich Lerner Golf Channel.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I just thought of that. When you think of the shadow,
we keep waiting for the next Jordan. Well, we're waiting
for the next Tiger. We're not going to find either.
You're going to find a hybrid. You're going to find
somebody who was similar in some ways. Maybe somebody wins
the same number of titles, maybe somebody wins the same
number of majors, but you don't capture what they did
when they did it. There was something about Tiger. Every
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five footer went in everyone. You never ever doubted it.
The style, the nickname red on Sunday. Same thing with Jordan.
I'm gonna get there and I'm gonna win, and he
did every time. Tiger fifteen majors and had a ten
year run as Rich said, that's the greatest in golf history.
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And when he won the US Open, when he won
at Pebble Beach and he won by fifteen shots, I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
That it didn't happen. It sounds like you're making it up.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's like he was playing in his own tournament and
then you were playing another course.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It was just, you know, we won't. It's like we're.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Looking for the next Jack Nicholas. We didn't find it,
like we're always looking. But you're not going to find
it because there'll be somebody who is different, unique in
their own way, may not be better. But that's why
Scotty Scheffler. Is he Tiger, No, he could have Tiger
like results, but he's not Tiger. Or you could have Lebron,
but he's not Michael Jordan, Kobe's as close as we
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come to Mike. Nobody's close to Tiger, No One, Jordan Speith,
no Rory, No, Justin Thomas. No.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
They all have their moments and then it goes.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's amazing how quickly it leaves golfers as opposed to
basketball players. Lebron's been at a high level for twenty years,
high level. Nobody's consistent enough to be where Tiger was.
Let me take a break. I got phone calls coming up.
Tom Brady's night last night, Big night, going into the
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Patriots Hall of Fame. I don't know if I had
to put him in so soon. You know, you never
can't tell. Yes, you know, if Jerry Jones was the owner,
you know they need be like, I don't know, maybe
not putting you in yet. I got to put in
Troy Brown before you. All right, We'll take a break
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back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
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Hi Bill, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 15 (35:34):
Hey DP, Thanks for yesterday. It was a really hard show,
but a really wonderful show. I want to kind of
pig back on that a bit and then give a
thought on Jerry West as well. Your any reel is
done for you guys, to just the position from the
IT team doing real time investigation on Joey Chestnutt to
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then transitioning to a heartfelt, sincere memory of a friend
is kind of why we all listen and why we
love the DP show so much, and kind of just
the emotion and the sort of community that you guys
have is awesome. And then just to piggyback on that
again with mister West. I was lucky enough to grow
up with my grandfather, kind of self made guy, immigrants
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from Ireland, got his kids to college, and the best
compliment anyone ever paid him was he was a gentleman
and he was classy. I always kind of meant the
world to me to hear that from folks. I think, well,
Jerry west accomplishments are off the charts in terms of
a player and front office. I think that should be
his sort of kind of a shining light. Is that
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just what a good person, good man, what a gentleman
he was?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
So my thoughts, Yeah, thank you, Bill, thank you for
the compliment.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, he's if you're looking at most impactful people in
the history of the sport. You know Jerry West, who's
at the top. Bill Russell was in there. I'd put
Bird and Magic together, I'd put Michael in there, I'd
put David Stern. Not I'm sure I'm leaving out people,
but you know this, these are the impactful people in
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the history of the sport. Now, Steph Curry, you could
say the way he plays his impact as well, you'd
have no argument there. But Jerry's up there Read Arbach
as well, like what they did as a coach or
a GM. By the way, somebody said that Jerry pulled
off the greatest trade of all time Vlade to get Kobe.
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The greatest trade in NBA history is Read Arbach trading
with the Saint Louis Hawks and getting the draft rights
to Bill Russell. That's the greatest trade. That guy won
eleven titles. That's the greatest trade ever. No other trade
comes close Kobe. Wonderful that you sent Vlade to Charlotte
and you got the rights to Kobe.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Great trade.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Also, Read Arbach ended up getting Robert Perrish and the
draft rights to Kevin McHale by trading Joe Barry Carroll.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
That is a great trade. That also sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Read Arba had two of the greatest, if not the
two greatest trades in NBA history. So let's be fair.
I love I love Jerry West. Let's be fair. You
got Bill Russell, you won eleven titles.
Speaker 9 (38:11):
Yes, Mark read Arback drafted Lynn Bias in eighty six
after they were probably the greatest team ever in eighty six.
Imagine if he hadn't died one probably.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Reggie lewis right, Reggie Lewis passing away. He drafts Bird
the year before that he's eligible. You know that he's
coming out, basically stashed him. Everybody was like, wait, what
did Red do? Red Arback? Nobody, nobody was better. Jerry
was great, and he's in the conversation what Red Arback did.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
He's another one of those guys. Read Arback online one.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
I'm not here.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
I'm not here.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's where you need to caller id back in the sixties,
I'm gonna, you know somehow fleeceh you here. Tom Brady
had a night last night. I had no idea this
was going to be what it was. It's sixty thousand
fans that show up at Foxboro and it's a Patriot
Hall of Fame induction, and here is Bill Belichick's former
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head coach.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
Tom want to say thanks on behalf of all the players,
all the coaches, all the staff, all the people. Are
hundreds of people that are here and the thousands of
fans that are here, thank you and thank you for
all that you've done for us. Thank you for all
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you've done for me. Thank you for the example and
model that you've been for all of us on a
daily basis for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You're unbelievable. Okay, everything's great. They're going to build a statue.
They retire as jersey, build a statue. But if I
gave you the choice, you can get your jersey retire
or you get a statue. I'm guessing if you get
a statue, you're getting new Jersey retired.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
But let's say you have to pick Marvin, we're going
to build a statue of you, or we're.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Going to retire your jersey. Oh, statue, Okay, Todd, Yeah, statue.
Hu I prefer that, all right, Paul.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Statue seems more rare.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
People can visit it, take pictures with it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, how about statue or hall of Fame, NFL Hall
of Fame, yeah, or the statue with the local team. No, No,
it's a statue with your your team, or you go
into the pro you know, whatever your sport. Hall of
Fame is, so todd you can be a Hall of Famer,
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or you get a statue.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I will go Hall of Famer because you get a
little mini statue in there and you're among.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
All the greats. You do you get a bus.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Yeah, so it's like a little mini statue of you.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
I'll take the Hall of Fame over that shore marv
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Okay, Like Nick Foles has his statue, doesn't he have
the Philly Special Yeah, Pauli statue or Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
That old game.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'm going Hall of Fame too tight though, Yeah, I
think that I would.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I would take Hall of Fame, and then I would
commission somebody to build a statue. Like I don't have
to wait for the team to do it. I just
I just show up late at night and you bring
in the statue and you cement it and you know,
nobody notices it here. Put it out, you know, in
the far reaches of the parking lot.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Put it in there.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Alrighty final hour coming up. Ice Cube will join us
more phone calls as well,
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's our two and this Thursday, Dan and the Dan
Nuts Dan Patrick Show will take you to Pinehurst number
two opening round of the US Open. Rich Lerner Golf
Channel host will join us. Ice Cube will join us
next hour and we'll talk to the four time NBA champ,
Andre Igudala. He'll join us coming up here shortly. Boston
Celtics now on the verge of their eighteenth championship. They
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survive at twenty two to two run. That was in
the fourth quarter. It got interesting. Luca had a couple
of fouls fouled out late in the game and Boston
takes the game three one O six ninety nine, so
up three games to none. It was Tatum and it
was Brown. Thirty one points for Tatum, thirty for Jalen Brown,
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and Kyrie did his best. He had thirty five in
the loss. But he has now lost thirteen consecutive games
to the Celtics if you include the regular season and
the postseason. Stat of the Day brought to you by
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The Pole Question the results from our one Todd seating
is off today. His son is graduating from eighth grade.
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So Todd's got the duties. I said, duties. Ask your
poll question. Yes, Ted, if you're.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A Celtics fan that has tickets for Game five at home,
I'd want the Celtics too sweep the MAVs fifty six
percent lose Game four to set up a possible clinching
Game five at home forty four percent.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Okay, what are we going to go with our two?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
We can go with.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
How about this?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Can we just say it's Scotty Scheffler or the field
before every golf event?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Now, yes, that's fair. No, that was just a Tiger
thing in his prime.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I would say yes, And I'm going to ask rich
Lerner that he's kind of creeping into the Tiger Woods neighborhood,
and that is Tiger of the field. But that was
years that we did that Tiger of the field, and
most of the time we took Tiger versus the field.
Scotty Scheffler, and I said, this last hour, he's having
an unbelievable year. Tiger had ten consecutive years like this.
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That'll kind of put it in perspective. Scheffler's playing great
and I know people said, well, you don't have to
play against the best players. Those some of those players
are on the live tour. You can only play against
who you're playing, you know, whoever's out there. And a
lot of times you're playing against the golf course. You're
playing against the golf course at Pinehurst number two, you're
playing against the golf course. When you go to the Masters,
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you're playing against the golf course. When you go to
the British Open. If brooks Kepka is there, John Rahm
isn't there. That's not Scotti Scheffler's fault. Brooks Kepka. Kepka,
by the way, is top of the leaderboard, at least
he has been after eight holes. Tiger's playing okay. I
think a lot of people wagering on Tiger to make
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the cut. What else do we have there, Todd?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Another possibility would be how much Panthers oilers? Stanley Cup
Final Game three do you plan to watch tonight?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
All of it? Coolest game on Earth, baby, take a
peek here and there. No thank you. I'll wait for
NBA Finals Game four tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
A little snarky there, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I'll be watching the hockey.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, my Panthers at the oilers here, thank you. We'll
recap Tom Brady night in Foxboro, Patriot Hall of Famer.
I didn't even know this thing was happening. All of
a sudden, I'm like, Oh, they're gonna have a Hall
of Fame ceremony for Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I go, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I didn't know he got into the Hall of Fame.
And then it was like, oh, it's the Patriots Hall
of Famer, sixty thousand, last night for Tom Brady, Hall
of Fame night. All right, once again Celtics. They had
all different weapons here and they are the better team
dominating and it's shown it so far. It's been a
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historical run. If they win on Friday Night, that'll be
an eighty and twenty record for the regular season in
the postseason.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
This guy knows all about titles.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Andre Gudala won four titles with the Warriors MVP in
the finals in twenty fifteen. His podcast Point Forward with
Evan Turner, and they delve into the latest sports, business
and culture. Point Forward part of SB Nation and Vox
Media podcast Network. Andre, good to have you on here.
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How would you recap last night?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Last night? Was I keep saying that every halftime, you
see the game close with Dallas's best shot, and you'll
see Dallas was only a one, having a great first
half and a few key plays where Boston got breakout
easy buckets. You saw it in the first few games
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as well, where Dallas would score, Boston will come right
back and get a layup, which is mind boggling. In
the finals, and I think you saw Boston just, you know,
like you said, being a better team, Boston sticking to
the strengths. When Luca goes out, Boston takes advantage of
it and they build a momentum. I love Kyrie vast
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game and it's interesting when I see sort of the
social commentary behind one player and why a team lost.
I just think Boston is the better team. They always
take advantage of certain situations. They always have these huge runs,
and even when they're not playing their best, as Dallas
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comes out every game with that first punch, Dallas always responds,
or excuse me, Boston always responds, and they're either at
one or a few at a time, and then they
just take it over in the third quarter and then
at least two large.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I know that the Mavericks are here because of Luca.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But I think they're in a hole because of Luca
as well, because last night's in excusable, Like you pick
up those found you can't foul out you and I
don't Those aren't even good defensive plays that he's trying
to pull off. It's lazy defense, trying to get a
charge there and then.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
You foul out.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But how do you work I don't know how you
can work the referees the way he does to your advantage,
because if I'm a referee and they're a human, you
know this where they got to be going.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
You got to be kidding me.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This guy complains all the time. What would you say
to him if you're a teammate.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Well, I've only seen defensive players be able to work
the refs in the manner to their benefit because they
want to be more physical. You know, it's always offensive
players advantage. As a defensive player in the NBA, I
think we've all would agree on that, and that's not
a knock. It's just the way the game has been played.
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And with Luca being an offensive player, I think they've
done a great job of hiding him defensively throughout the
playoffs this year. But with a team like Boston, they're
just going to keep attacking, attack and attack, and they're
getting to the paint. I think Jason Tatum has been
amazing at taking what the defense gives them. I have
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twelve thirteen assists in the first half of Game two,
and just the way he's finding his guys and the
way Jr. Holliday's playing, Derek White's playing Sam Houser was
huge for him last night knocking that open baskets and
people don't understand that's all of We're going to attack
the weakness on defense to get our best shot. What
I would say to Luca is you got to be
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comfortable with being uncomfortable. That was something we would say
a lot with the Miami e Donna's has them says
that a lot. And you got to understand, as one
of the best players in the league, a lot comes
with that. And one thing that comes with that is
that you can't have any weaknesses and defensively, we can't
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have the hole that the perception of you is of
our defense where they're just attacking you. They're just attacking you,
and then you know you got your bigs. You got
Derek Jones Jr. You got your defensive guys sort of
out of sorts trying to cover for the point of
attack for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I just I can't have him on the perimeter
trying to check, you know, Jason Tatum off the dribble.
I mean, it's just you're putting yourself in a position
that's more advantageous for Tatum or Brown and he doesn't
have the quickness.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
To be able to do this. How do you hide
somebody who can't play defense.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, you can't give up blowbys. And I don't think
you asked him to be a great defensive player. That's
not what you're asking him to do. But you're asking
him to give you four or five seconds of defense.
That's what you ask for. Give me five seconds of
keeping the ball in front of you will funnel the
ball a certain way, and then the most important thing
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is to recover on the rotation on the backside. When
you do get beat off a drive, and they can't
be straight line drives. They got to be angle drives
toward the baseline where your help's built in. Once your
man pulls over from the baseline, there's going to be
a swing. Swing. Swing Boss has done a great job
of Normally you don't get to one or two swings
in the NBA after the drive. The Celtics have got
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to two or three swings and another drive and another
two or three swings, So they've just done a great
job of executing. So you got to play well well,
luk At, it's more like I need ten seconds of
defense and in the finals it should be twenty four.
It shouldn't be hard to ask for a complete effort
with a complete backside rotation and just communicating with you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
He'sonder Aa Gudala won four titles with the Warriors, won
the MVP in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Did you think you were going to win the finals MVP?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Well, this is the world we live in now, where
that particular ward is such, it's under such a microscope
and for us, I don't think anyone was thinking about it.
And that's the new age world of sports that we
live in.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
But when you hear your name, yeah, Bob Myers alerted
me literally ten seconds before I happened, and I was
just in such joy in relation that it wasn't in
my mind, like I didn't even realize that that was
a part of the ceremony post game, so it wasn't on.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It wasn't on any I don't know if it was
on any of our minds. You know, we were just
so excited to win the championship, so when you hear
your name, it was just like WHOA, and I don't.
I don't think I put it into context, proper context
until maybe like a couple of days later, when I
kept hearing about it. I guess it was when I
got the email that I was let in on this
tech investment that it all sunk in because this company
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kept telling me no, they were oversubscribed on their investment round.
But when I won finals MVP, there was there was
some room made available, So that that's when it's that's
when it all kicked in.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Do you bust STEP's chops though, when you win the MVP?
Speaker 8 (10:51):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Actually never. I don't know if we've ever had a
conversation about it. If anything, Steph would say.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
He didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
All think is that he does. Think. I think it's
more I wouldn't have been able to get it without him.
I mean I took a lot of wide open shots,
you know, obviously I was able to stick to my
strengths defensively, my Swiss army knife skill set I heard
a lot about when I was in Philly, and I
was able to do all those things. There was just
a perfect moment on a perfect team and couldn't have
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been I wouldn't have been able to do it without
Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm looking at whatever you're You got a bunch of
books behind you. Know I don't see any Oh yes, wait,
where's where's trophies? Where's do you have any things in there?
Doesn't I would never know your basketball player when I
look behind you.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I have a it's one trophy. A company of the
board I joined went public and so that was a
big moment uh to be on the stock market trading
floor when we went public. But my trophies are I
finally like put them up in like kind of a display.
But I'm not a trophy guy. So I had rings
that I couldn't find, or not that I couldn't find,
(11:57):
I just didn't see because they were wondering, never been open.
It was just like tucked away under some clothes that
I picked up one day.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, you have a hat that says logo on it?
You had Jerry West the logo who worked with Golden State.
What got memories come to mind?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
With Jerry, the fastest golfer I've ever played with, and
we became really close. I'm really close with his son, Johnny.
Got to know his wife, Michelle Wee West. Just a
beautiful family. I've got to see the real Jay West,
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and to see the real Jay West. He leaves. He
leaves a mark on you, a brill impact on you.
Just what you know, he what he stood for as
a professional basketball player. I think he was the beginning
of what it meant to be a real professional basketball player.
We spoke about, you know, guys in the NBA having
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side jobs back then. He was the first full time
basketball player and he was able to set the stage
for what it meant and how to conduct yourself as
a professional basketball player. I mean they were he was
there with Oscar and when they started the union, And
when you think about that impact there and how we
how far we've come as as a body of players
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and our influence and our value globally in sports, just
how he left his fingerprint on it. I know, just
playing golf with him with some of our some of
my favorite moments with him, I got to hear the real,
the raw, the authentic Jerry West. And he was always
real and authentic no matter what setting he was in.
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But just to be around here him and you know
here his basketball philosophies, his take on the state of
the game, what needs to be changed, you know how
you overcome any type of fear, how you you know
how your demeanor has to be going into the finals.
I mean one of my favorite coasts was you know,
I was a wolf. Wolf eat dogs. Everyone talks about
how they're done, Well, I'm a wool I eat dog. Uh.
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But he had the same demeanor throughout his entire life
and wherever he was and wherever organization he was a
part of, there was always success and it was always high,
high standards that he set for the organization.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Great to talk to you, Good luck with the podcast,
Thanks for joining us. Andre Appreciation. That's Andre Agudala. He
was four time NBA champ. Point Forward podcast Andre and
Evan Turner. They have a sports business culture takes. Point
Forward part of esp Nation and Vox Media podcast network. Yeah,
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he won the finals MVP, but largely, you know, it
was about defense and that he was hitting some clutch shots. Yeah,
you know, you're in the moment, like you win a title,
and all of a sudden, he's probably not even thinking, Hey,
I'm gonna be the finals MVP or when do they
announce that? And then all of a sudden, Meyers the
(15:00):
GM goes, oh, you're going to be the finals MVP.
Huh you got ready to get ready for that?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (15:07):
Mark is Andre Iguidala the I don't want to maybe
you know I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Is he the NBA's equivalent of Julian Edelman.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay, all right, good regular season player, but four titles
in an MVP.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, Olympic gold. Yeah, that's right. He's part of the Olympics.
He was an All Star once. Yeah, yeah, I can
see that.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I'll give you a bloop on that blue Blue All right,
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Speaker 2 (17:08):
I've mentioned a few times that I did play Pinehurst
number two. It was one of the longest day's worst
days of my life. But that's a tribute to this
course because it's very difficult, very difficult, and you even
the pros like, there's gonna be guys that are probably
going to be walking off the course today going what
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the hell just happened here?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Or what was that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And then you got three more days There rich Lerner
is covering you just got off the air. He was
doing play by play for a USA network also Golf
channel anchor, reporter, commentator. It can be a slog there
as I felt when I played Pinehurst number two, How
would you describe the course to somebody who hadn't played well?
Speaker 12 (17:55):
A nice to be with you, Dan, And I don't
mean to suggest that Pinehurst is Mickey Mouse in any way.
And I grew up in Allentown, Pennsylvania at a driving
range o by my dad. We also had a miniature golf,
but you can very easily. And Tiger himself said this.
You can play putting ping pong here. You can get
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going where you are just off the green. They call
them the surrounds. And you'll hear the phrase runoffs this week.
And let's say you pull your putter out like we
all do, your own fringe, and maybe you have three
or four feet of fringe, and all told, it's maybe
a twenty foot shot. You hit that putt and it
doesn't quite get to the crest, and in what is
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in my estimation, the most depressing Daniel and I would
would have experienced this many times. It is the most
depressing single shot in golf, even more so than a
water bowl. It's the one that comes back to your
feet and it takes a long time to get there,
and you know it's coming back, and you're just thoroughly
melancholy at that point. I gave a buddy of mine
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last night as a long shot, relative long shot.
Speaker 13 (19:06):
He's top twenty in the world.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
So I hit the galap and just to show you
how you can be embarrassed here, the gala is seven
over through six. This is the kind of place that
can make you look silly in a hurry, and you
could hit it. The phrase pros will use is dead nuts,
meaning I hit it flush in the face and you
can still make double or triple. Because if you're off
here by a yard I'm talking middle of face, but
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you're a yard left of where you really need to be.
You hit the green, but a yard left of the
spot that thing runs off and who knows from there.
Speaker 13 (19:39):
So the greens are really diabolical here.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, And the facility I don't want people to misconstrue this.
Pinehurst is wonderful. Abandon Dune's Pebble Beach and Pinehurst if
you want like a weekend with the guys. I mean,
it's a wonderful, wonderful facility there. It's just Pinehurst number
two rough me up and made me I think reconsider
if I wanted to play golf on weekend anymore.
Speaker 13 (20:05):
You spend it.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
You know, if you're not playing well at Plainer's number two,
you're crooked off the team. You're spending most of the
day in what they call these native areas with the
wire grass, and you're just trapesing and you're dusty and
you're dirty, and you're chopping and chunking and hacking, and
then you get up to the green and your three,
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your four pot it.
Speaker 13 (20:29):
We did a little bit on the show this morning.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
You know Aaron Oberholzer, who finished ninth here at the
US Open in two thousand and five, said, you take
your average club champion wherever you might play, would be
a good player, probably say a two or three handicap.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
He said on this setup that club champ wouldn't break ninety.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Okay. That leads me to who does this course favor.
Speaker 13 (20:57):
Well kept his two under time for the league.
Speaker 12 (21:01):
Think about a guy like like Kepka, somebody you know,
built to slug it out with a golf course.
Speaker 13 (21:10):
It favors somebody with a good short game.
Speaker 12 (21:13):
Uh, somebody with patience who understands that, you know, a
bogie is not a bad score where it.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
Might be any other week.
Speaker 12 (21:22):
I give you is good More a cow is good
because he's precise with his iron play and his short
game is improved.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (21:31):
I mean, look, this is an old school US Open.
Speaker 12 (21:35):
In the three previous US Opens they had at Pinehurst
total of four guys broke part. So you have to
be able to compete, not complain, keep your head in
the game, you might make three consecutive bogies and you
need to bear down on a five foot from.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
Par on that fourth hole. So you know, somebody with
the kind.
Speaker 12 (21:59):
Of the right institution, and I'm thinking of the usual
suspects Koepka, Moriicava, and then obviously Scotty Scheffler, Scheffler's partnerway
the best player in the game right now.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But are we getting into Tiger's neighborhood of Scheffler versus
the field or are we already there?
Speaker 13 (22:19):
We're getting close.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
I will say this, there will be some justifiable comparisons
to Tiger with Scotti Scheffler in terms of how much
he separated himself from his peers.
Speaker 13 (22:32):
You go look at the world ranking.
Speaker 12 (22:34):
It is the greatest margin between one and two since
Tiger Woods. I just want to point out that Scotty
turns twenty eight next week.
Speaker 13 (22:46):
A week before his.
Speaker 12 (22:47):
Twenty eighth birthday, Tiger had won thirty eight times with
eight major championships.
Speaker 13 (22:54):
I might have it off by wonder if you're thirty
eight and.
Speaker 12 (22:56):
Eight somewhere in the neighborhood Scotty Schffler's have eleven and
wins two majors. There's no comparison to Tiger. But Scheffler's
dominating this current crop, and he just has more at
his disposal dan than anybody else.
Speaker 13 (23:14):
He has control of his irons, He's better mentally.
Speaker 12 (23:18):
He has a Tiger like short game, so that if
he misses the green, he has the ability to get.
Speaker 13 (23:23):
It up and down.
Speaker 12 (23:25):
He just he's more committed, he has more clarity, and
he has more control the three c's.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm talking to rich Lerner, Golf Channel anchor joining us
from Pinehurst and watching Tiger today.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
He looked, Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I know Tiger is never going to say that he
can't win, because I think before he started his round
he goes, you know, I got it. He always has
a chance in his mind because that he's Tiger. But realistically,
what are we looking at with Tiger from here on out?
Speaker 13 (23:57):
Would be a victory if he made the cut. I know,
to your.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
Point, he still thinks he can win. I don't think
he has enough reps. This is his fourth round of
the fourth tournament of the year. He withdrew from Riviera.
He made the cut at the Masters, didn't play great,
and he missed the cut at Valhall.
Speaker 13 (24:16):
At the PGA Championship.
Speaker 12 (24:17):
This is his first US Open since twenty twenty. He
just doesn't play enough. I don't think you can pop
up giving up twenty plus years to these best players
in this current generation and expect to compete. I will
say this, with the all time greats in any sport,
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you always think, do they have one more in them?
Speaker 13 (24:44):
I wonder though, if Tigers won more.
Speaker 12 (24:47):
Was the twenty nineteen Masters, when he was forty three.
When he won that Masters, he was playing very good golf.
He had won the Tour Championship, and remember the crowds
coming in behind him a the body piper. He won
the Tour Championship late the previous year in twenty eighteen.
He had some good finishes in the run up to
that Masters, and he was forty three. This is a
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forty eight year old guy who drags his legs around
like you know Earl Campbell, the great running back for
Texas Longhorns, Houston Oilers. After ten thousand carracks, you know
the Tiger of two thousand. That's just a long time
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and a lot of surgeries ago. But it's still a
thrill to watch him. He's still I think the best
to have ever done it, or we would say this.
For a period of ten years, nobody played the game
better ever.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
In the history of the sport. There's case to be
made that Nicholas is the greatest champion.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
Nicholas is not a case Nicholas is the greatest major
champion of all time. The numbers tell us that eighteen
to fifteen. Tiger has fifteen. And Tiger himself always said
in time he was a kid, the ones that matter
are the major championships. He had that number on his
bedroom walls a boy, eighteen and what does.
Speaker 13 (26:09):
That tell you?
Speaker 12 (26:10):
How you take care of your mind, body and spirit
over the long haul matters, and Nicholas, fair to say,
did a better job of that. But you know, in
terms of dominance and win percentage, which is another way
to measure greatness in any sport, the gap between number
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one in the world and everybody else was never wider
than it was when Tiger was in his prime in
his heyday. That fifteen shot win at the US Open
in two thousand, I think is the greatest performance in
the history of the game. Tiger was standing on the
shores of the Monterey Peninsula and everybody else was in
a rowbo somewhere near Australia.
Speaker 13 (26:51):
It was Dan, it was not close.
Speaker 12 (26:54):
He won tournaments by eight, by eleven, by fifteen, he
won six in a row.
Speaker 13 (27:00):
He had ten seasons of five and more wins.
Speaker 12 (27:03):
He made, you know, the ridiculous routine he made clutch
a habit. You brush your teeth before Betty made fifteen
foot step matter.
Speaker 13 (27:14):
I don't think we will forget.
Speaker 12 (27:16):
But as you watch Tiger kind of battle and struggle
with his body and against father time, it's nice to
remember who he was and.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
What he did.
Speaker 12 (27:28):
And yeah, he's the most the way I put it in,
he was the most reliably mind blowing performer I've ever seen.
Speaker 13 (27:35):
And I might say in any sport.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Who has a bigger shadow over their sport Michael Jordan
with the NBA or Tiger with the PGA Tour.
Speaker 13 (27:46):
It's comparable.
Speaker 14 (27:49):
You know, the golf has never quite been able to
capture the energy, the excitement, and I don't know how
you could that Tiger generated in terms of ratings, you know, uh,
bringing people from uh, you know, beyond golf to to
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to the television set.
Speaker 13 (28:12):
And I haven't done a deep diving in the numbers.
I suspect the NBA.
Speaker 12 (28:18):
Has done comparable or greater numbers even uh than they
did when Jordan was flying to I can't be sure.
I mean, we've had Steph Curry and Lebron James would
be you know, guys who were not quite at Jordan's
you know level. Lebron close. I'm a huge step fan.
I think he's underrated historically.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (28:39):
But but yeah, if they're if they're in Michael's zip code,
is that fair to say Dan? Would you say Lebron
and step would at least be in the neighborhood.
Speaker 13 (28:49):
They're not.
Speaker 12 (28:49):
They're not you know, at the top of the hill
where Jordan's living, but they're in that neighborhood. There's nobody
in Tiger's neighborhood in golf since he's played, you know,
Michelson Nicholson was a star. I don't honestly think we've
had that star. So Jordan was going to be the
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star and it sort of petered out. Maybe he has
something left, but I don't know. He's thirty now. It
gets away quickly, and that's really it. You know, Rory
had a chance. Ten years ago. Nicholas said he thought
he might win fifteen majors. He had won two in
a row and fourteen he hasn't won one since. And
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again we're talking about levels of greatness.
Speaker 13 (29:36):
Dan, you know Rory.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
While we're on that subject, Rory is undeniably a great player.
He sails into the Hall of Fames a twenty four,
wins four majors. But at this point we are talking
about levels of greatness and Rory hasn't quite gone to
that level we thought he might, and he still could.
Speaker 13 (29:59):
He's only five.
Speaker 12 (30:01):
But that level would be say the career Grand Slam,
which we talk about when he goes to the Masters.
He needs to win the Masters to become one of
six to have won all four of the majors, the
four different majors, and you know, it's Tiger, and it's Hogan,
and it's Satagine Player and Nicholas.
Speaker 13 (30:19):
That would take him to a sort of a.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
Rushmore esque level. But Rory, you know, again, he's great, but.
Speaker 13 (30:29):
Is he a legend? Legends rattled cages on Sundays.
Speaker 12 (30:34):
Rory, at least when he's had the chance in the
last five years, has not rattled cages.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
He had a chance at the US opened.
Speaker 12 (30:42):
Last year on Sundays and against Wyndham Clark a guy
with really no major championship track record, and he couldn't
rattle his cage. British Open two years ago at Saint
Andrews with Cam Smith on a gettable golf course. Smith
went out and shot sixty four and Rory could only
muster a seventy. Didn't rattle cages. You're gonna be a
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real legend of the game. You have to do something
heroic on Sundays at the majors. Maybe he'll do it again,
but it's been a long time, so the answer is no, nobody,
we're not. I think Tiger's shadow has been bigger than Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Great to talk to you, great appearance, have fun there
and thanks for joining us the way.
Speaker 13 (31:27):
Last thing, Dan, I just want to share this with you.
Speaker 12 (31:29):
You'll appreciate this coming of ages you did in the
seventies as I did. I went to golf camp here
at Pinehurst in nineteen seventy four when I was just
being introduced to the game. That was the era when
specialized sports camps were coming, you know, to the four
and specialized camps in general. The following year, my parents
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sent me to a reading camp, much to the shagrin
up my baseball coach who felt strongly that hitting ass
balls was way more important than speed reading Dostoyevsky, and
I agreed with him. I was livid with my parents
that they sent me the reading camp. It's embarrassing. Can
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you imagine that?
Speaker 13 (32:14):
Read basketball camp? Yeah, baseball camp, right, reading camp?
Speaker 5 (32:20):
How was that?
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Uh? Well you became a wordsmith though.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Rich Thank you m great to talk to.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Thank you, Bud. That's rich Lerner Golf Channel.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I just thought of that. When you think of the shadow,
we keep waiting for the next Jordan. Well, we're waiting
for the next Tiger. We're not going to find either.
You're going to find a hybrid. You're going to find
somebody who was similar in some ways. Maybe somebody wins
the same number of titles, maybe somebody wins the same
number of majors, but you don't capture what they did
when they did it. There was something about Tiger. Every
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five footer went in everyone. You never ever doubted it.
The style, the nickname red on Sunday. Same thing with Jordan.
I'm gonna get there and I'm gonna win, and he
did every time. Tiger fifteen majors and had a ten
year run as Rich said, that's the greatest in golf history.
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And when he won the US Open, when he won
at Pebble Beach and he won by fifteen shots, I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
That it didn't happen. It sounds like you're making it up.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's like he was playing in his own tournament and
then you were playing another course.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It was just, you know, we won't. It's like we're.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Looking for the next Jack Nicholas. We didn't find it,
like we're always looking. But you're not going to find
it because there'll be somebody who is different, unique in
their own way, may not be better. But that's why
Scotty Scheffler. Is he Tiger, No, he could have Tiger
like results, but he's not Tiger. Or you could have Lebron,
but he's not Michael Jordan, Kobe's as close as we
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come to Mike. Nobody's close to Tiger, No One, Jordan Speith,
no Rory, No, Justin Thomas. No.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
They all have their moments and then it goes.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's amazing how quickly it leaves golfers as opposed to
basketball players. Lebron's been at a high level for twenty years,
high level. Nobody's consistent enough to be where Tiger was.
Let me take a break. I got phone calls coming up.
Tom Brady's night last night, Big night, going into the
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Patriots Hall of Fame. I don't know if I had
to put him in so soon. You know, you never
can't tell. Yes, you know, if Jerry Jones was the owner,
you know they need be like, I don't know, maybe
not putting you in yet. I got to put in
Troy Brown before you. All right, We'll take a break
(34:51):
back after this.
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Speaker 15 (35:34):
Hey DP, Thanks for yesterday. It was a really hard show,
but a really wonderful show. I want to kind of
pig back on that a bit and then give a
thought on Jerry West as well. Your any reel is
done for you guys, to just the position from the
IT team doing real time investigation on Joey Chestnutt to
(35:55):
then transitioning to a heartfelt, sincere memory of a friend
is kind of why we all listen and why we
love the DP show so much, and kind of just
the emotion and the sort of community that you guys
have is awesome. And then just to piggyback on that
again with mister West. I was lucky enough to grow
up with my grandfather, kind of self made guy, immigrants
(36:18):
from Ireland, got his kids to college, and the best
compliment anyone ever paid him was he was a gentleman
and he was classy. I always kind of meant the
world to me to hear that from folks. I think, well,
Jerry west accomplishments are off the charts in terms of
a player and front office. I think that should be
his sort of kind of a shining light. Is that
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just what a good person, good man, what a gentleman
he was?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
So my thoughts, Yeah, thank you, Bill, thank you for
the compliment.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, he's if you're looking at most impactful people in
the history of the sport. You know Jerry West, who's
at the top. Bill Russell was in there. I'd put
Bird and Magic together, I'd put Michael in there, I'd
put David Stern. Not I'm sure I'm leaving out people,
but you know this, these are the impactful people in
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the history of the sport. Now, Steph Curry, you could
say the way he plays his impact as well, you'd
have no argument there. But Jerry's up there Read Arbach
as well, like what they did as a coach or
a GM. By the way, somebody said that Jerry pulled
off the greatest trade of all time Vlade to get Kobe.
(37:29):
The greatest trade in NBA history is Read Arbach trading
with the Saint Louis Hawks and getting the draft rights
to Bill Russell. That's the greatest trade. That guy won
eleven titles. That's the greatest trade ever. No other trade
comes close Kobe. Wonderful that you sent Vlade to Charlotte
and you got the rights to Kobe.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Great trade.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Also, Read Arbach ended up getting Robert Perrish and the
draft rights to Kevin McHale by trading Joe Barry Carroll.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
That is a great trade. That also sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Read Arba had two of the greatest, if not the
two greatest trades in NBA history. So let's be fair.
I love I love Jerry West. Let's be fair. You
got Bill Russell, you won eleven titles.
Speaker 9 (38:11):
Yes, Mark read Arback drafted Lynn Bias in eighty six
after they were probably the greatest team ever in eighty six.
Imagine if he hadn't died one probably.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Reggie lewis right, Reggie Lewis passing away. He drafts Bird
the year before that he's eligible. You know that he's
coming out, basically stashed him. Everybody was like, wait, what
did Red do? Red Arback? Nobody, nobody was better. Jerry
was great, and he's in the conversation what Red Arback did.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
He's another one of those guys. Read Arback online one.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
I'm not here.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
I'm not here.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's where you need to caller id back in the sixties,
I'm gonna, you know somehow fleeceh you here. Tom Brady
had a night last night. I had no idea this
was going to be what it was. It's sixty thousand
fans that show up at Foxboro and it's a Patriot
Hall of Fame induction, and here is Bill Belichick's former
(39:12):
head coach.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
Tom want to say thanks on behalf of all the players,
all the coaches, all the staff, all the people. Are
hundreds of people that are here and the thousands of
fans that are here, thank you and thank you for
all that you've done for us. Thank you for all
(39:35):
you've done for me. Thank you for the example and
model that you've been for all of us on a
daily basis for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You're unbelievable. Okay, everything's great. They're going to build a statue.
They retire as jersey, build a statue. But if I
gave you the choice, you can get your jersey retire
or you get a statue. I'm guessing if you get
a statue, you're getting new Jersey retired.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
But let's say you have to pick Marvin, we're going
to build a statue of you, or we're.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Going to retire your jersey. Oh, statue, Okay, Todd, Yeah, statue.
Hu I prefer that, all right, Paul.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Statue seems more rare.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
People can visit it, take pictures with it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, how about statue or hall of Fame, NFL Hall
of Fame, yeah, or the statue with the local team. No, No,
it's a statue with your your team, or you go
into the pro you know, whatever your sport. Hall of
Fame is, so todd you can be a Hall of Famer,
(40:43):
or you get a statue.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I will go Hall of Famer because you get a
little mini statue in there and you're among.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
All the greats. You do you get a bus.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Yeah, so it's like a little mini statue of you.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
I'll take the Hall of Fame over that shore marv
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Okay, Like Nick Foles has his statue, doesn't he have
the Philly Special Yeah, Pauli statue or Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
That old game.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'm going Hall of Fame too tight though, Yeah, I
think that I would.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I would take Hall of Fame, and then I would
commission somebody to build a statue. Like I don't have
to wait for the team to do it. I just
I just show up late at night and you bring
in the statue and you cement it and you know,
nobody notices it here. Put it out, you know, in
the far reaches of the parking lot.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Put it in there.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Alrighty final hour coming up. Ice Cube will join us
more phone calls as well,
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