July 17, 2024 • 37 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz shared why he believes the conversation around Tommy John surgery has gotten out of control. Fanatics founder and CEO Michael Rubin joins us to discuss his unlikely rise to becoming a billionaire. And National League Manager Torey Lovullo stops by to recap the MLB All-Star game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We make way for the Hall of Famer John Smoltz,
who was on the call MLB on Fox last night.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How you feeling, John, early morning back in Atlanta. I'm
doing okay, I'm doing all right.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What was your expectation last night going into that game,
starting with Paul's schemes.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Well, I was excited to see him live for the
first time I've watched him on film. Pittsburgh has probably
the best picture they've ever had in a draft, and
we all know they've had a lot of pictures. There's
a lot of pictures in the rest of Major League
Baseball that used to be with the Pittsburgh Pirates, and
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hopefully they can do something to keep him and do
something to get in the postseason. Because I don't say
this very often about people, but he could throw all
four seen fastballs in a game. If let's just say that,
he he couldn't throw anything but a fastball, and he
could win a lot of big Big League baseball games.
There's not many people. There's a handful of people that
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can do that. Jacob Degram is one of them. You know,
I said that I wouldn't get caught up in the
Stephen Strasburg hysteria. When I did his debut for the
MLB Network and I got caught up in it, it
was electric, And I think this, this young man has
the same capabilities. Now, my biggest wish and hope is
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that he stays healthy. And but can you imagine, you know,
Pittsburgh hasn't been relevant for a while, and that's a
team you don't want to play in a wild card
scenario if they were to get in with their young pitching.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But John, how does he avoid not getting hurt? I mean,
your arm is built to only be able to do
so many things at so many angles for such a
you know, a certain amount of time.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, the one thing I like about him is he
does a lot of good things in his mechanics. Now,
everybody to your right, you're one hundred percent right. One
hundred miles an hour is not normal. But you know,
he's got a big frame, six foot six. I actually
loved that he was throwing a football before his game.
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I think those are one of the look we haven't
We have not even come close to perfecting how to
keep pitchers healthy. Matter of fact, I could do a
whole show on it, and nobody talks about it because
they just realized people are going to get hurt. And
it's a financial model that Analytics is running their whole
grid on. But what I hope we don't do is
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just be so obsessed with, you know, amount of pitches
or the amount of innings. You've got to let your eyes.
You've got to be able to watch a guy. If
he's not having a lot of stress, if he's if
he's repeating his mechanics, a lot of good things can happen.
And you know, he's big, he's strong, and I'm hoping.
I'm crossing my fingers because I know the rhetoric out
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there is, well, when's the date gonna be? You know
that he has Tommy John, which drives me crazy, So
I'm hopeful that he'll be He'll be pitching for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And we've accepted Tommy John is if that comes along
with the position. I mentioned a story a physical therapist
that I work with. He works with major leaguers, and
he had two separate situations where parents of their son
and they were both teenagers, they wanted to have Tommy
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John surgery before they needed Tommy John surgery, and it's
gotten crazy John that you go in and it's basically,
you know, your fifty thousand mile check up with your car.
It's like, yep, you're gonna need Tommy John. All right,
we'll see you in a year. How did we get
here yet, Well.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's the best and worst thing that's ever happened to
this sport. I think we're approaching the fifty year anniversary
of Tommy John. And you know, it was so important
to me that I spent time in my Hall of
Fame speech to try to address this matter. And since then,
nobody's paying attention. Doctors have tried their best to disprove
all these different myths that are out there about to
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Tommy John surgery. It was never intended to twelve year old,
sixteen year olds, eighteen year olds, never, And that's to
your point. It is a byproduct of I call it
a hypnotism, of people just talking about something so much
that you end.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Up believing it.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And if you talk about it enough, even though it's
not true, you'll just buy into the narrative. And that's
one of the narratives that is an absolute worst case scenario.
Oh you'll be fine. Look at this guy, Look at
John Smoltz, look at this guy. It's so false. But
yet people have had enough evidence of the elite pitchers
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coming back from it that they think it's like a
band aid. And you know, I speak to it every
time I can, and I think, you know, it just
goes over people's heads. And as I said, as I've
watched more baseball, I'm approaching watching more baseball than I
did playing it. I just hate to see these young
players in the big leagues. Look, there will be another
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Tommy Zahn recipient that goes into Hall of Fame. But
when I made this statement that there there won't be,
because I saw this epidemic and people are having two
of them and three of them in the big leagues.
Just think about that that one is one is bad enough,
and one should save your career. Two should not be
more of the conversation we're talking about. And so the
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reason there will be another Tommy Zahn recipient in the
Hall of Fame is because there's going to be so
many of them that sooner or later you're going to
get one of those that has had the career long
enough to be able to this was supposed to be
later in your career, not to start your career. And
here's the other thing. There hasn't been many pitchers that
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have lasted more than seven years to date on a
Tommy John recovery. And that's the one thing that we
will have to see as it plays out, if that
becomes some of the benchmarks for the length that it
takes Tommy John before they have another one.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He's John Smoltz, a Hall of Famer on the call
for the All Star Game last night. Then he had
Mason Miller come in fifth inning. John, he was throwing
almost one four.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, I mean they've mastered. Look again, it's a definition
of insanity. They've mastered the ability to throw hard, there's
no doubt about it, but they have not even come
close to be able to match the help with it.
And hitting is way beyond the ability to match this
velocity that they're teaching. You have to sacrifice something to
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throw that hard, and we all know what that is.
That's sacrificing length of your career and sacrificing command. But
when you see a young man that looks pretty effortless
throwing the ball the way he does, all I can
think of because it is the Oakland A's and they
are notorious for trading these kind of players for a
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plan that nobody is able to figure out. Yet the
amount of players that normally a closer would demand is
not that high. He could demand a pretty good package
if they decide to trade him to a contending team.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But he's gone. He's going to be gone. He's going
to be traded.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know, they're just I mean, that's just a guy
that Oakland usually has.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You face a lot of great players, you face Bonds
and Maguire, and we can run down the list here.
But when Otani comes to the plate, who's he remind
you of?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You know, that's a great question. It's not quite Verry Bonds.
Of course. Barry Bonds never missed a pitch in his heyday.
He just he didn't get many to hit, and when
he got them, he obliterated him. It's kind of a combination,
maybe even a hybrid, between a Helton and a Bonds.
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Helton was one of the best peer hitters. I know
everyone's going to say he played a lot of it
in Colorado, but the swing path and the way that
they get to a baseball is similar, and I'm just
enamored with the power. Look, Otani has holes, there's no doubt,
but he's sued them up. You know, he's only had
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to concentrate on hitting this year. Imagine, you know, the
guy has had a break from pitching, and his power
is just so raw, and he goes through little streaks
where you're like a Bond's where you're not getting the
ball by him. And then there's times where you can
get that down and in up and in type quadrant.
But what an incredible first year of a monster contract
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that we hope he's going to pitch majority of that
contract and play uh or and hit at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Let's get to the serious topic, the All Star Game uniforms. Yeah,
what do you think? How would you feel wearing that?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Be honest with you. First thing I said, when I
got to the National League side, they got the better draw.
There's no doubt they got the better draw of the uniforms.
I just I saw Bruce Boche in that uniform and
I'm like boat and you can just see him.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't know, man, it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Has been but it's an easy pick.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
But he thinks that it is an easy fix. I
think that's going to be next year in Atlanta. The
rumor is, I think that's going to be back to
wearing the jersey tops of your team. Somebody thought it
was great, so so they you know, it's like, look,
I mean we all get get dressed and get in
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the mirror and we're like, man, this is a great outfit.
And then somebody sees us and goes, did you get
dressed in the dark? So yeah, that's that was That
was I was. I thought they were when I first
saw them. I thought it was the VP, you know,
kind of like the batting practice and just go out
there and yeah, change into something.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But no, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
How many All Star Games?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Eight? Eight?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, and I was. I got in six of them,
and I had the great, great timing of giving up
two runs and getting two losses. Those are only two
runs I gave up. I got two losses.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, would you rather get in and get the loss
or not get in an All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Probably get in and get the loss.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I was fortunate enough to get one win in ninety six,
but there was there was the craziest scenario in Chicago
when I was closing and I was going to close
out that game and I had two of the greatest
doing their jobs. In Wagner and Ganye pitched the seventh
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the eighth, and I was going to pitch the ninth.
We had a four or five run lead, so that's
a one hundred percent guarantee that I'm going to pitch.
And what unfolded in the seventh.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And eighth inning.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Ganya had never given up a run yet alone blown
to save that year, and both of them ended up
giving up some runs. And I was sitting down there,
you know, didn't get in. So that was one of them.
But yeah, I'd rather probably participate even if it's you know,
given up giving up a run to to lose the game.
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The first one I gave up. I was the youngest
player to ever get the loss in eighty nine and
Nolan Ryan was the oldest player to ever get to win.
So I got that going for me.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Congratulations, John, he's the Hall of Famer. Good to talk
to you, John, Thanks for joining us as always. Right
same here, Dan, that's John Smoltz on the call last night.
Leave it to me. Let's talk about the negatives of
your Hall of Fame career. Michael Rubin, he is the
founder of Fanatics CEO. Speaking of uniforms. We'll talk to
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him about the uniforms Fanatics. Are they making these uniforms?
I'd like to what's the role that Fanatics has in
these uniforms. Are they selling the uniforms? Does Nike make
the uniform That.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Was a big deal before the season because Fanatics is
selling them, but not necessarily creating a they or you know,
Nike was involved.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Fanatics is involved. MLB's involved.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
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Speaker 2 (13:41):
He is the founder of Fanatics CEO. They Got Something
Special taking place in New York City August sixteenth through
the eighteenth the Javid Center, and fans have a chance
to meet sports heroes. There's a rare cards, memorabilia, limited
edition merch and a lot of interactive experiences s as
we welcome in Michael Rubin. Michael, thank you for joining us.
(14:03):
I can imagine what your business card reads. But when
you explain to somebody this is what my job is,
how would you do that?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
First? How are you doing?
Speaker 9 (14:13):
Great to be with you today? Second, I'd say I
got the greatest job on the plan.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
I get to work.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Around one hundred million plus incredible sports fans, most passionate
fans in the world, thousands of athletes, and you know
it's the it's kind of a it's when you're a
kid you dream of doing something. If you're not athletic
like me, and you actually suck at sports, then you
know you love an opportunity to work around sports and
do what I do and kind of help build kind
of the digital sports ecosystem. So I don't have business cards,
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by the way, I haven't had business cards for probably.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Fifteen years, so that's the good thing.
Speaker 9 (14:44):
So but I'm honored to leave Fanatics and really excited
to talk about everything we're doing with the Fanatics Fest
as well, which can be like a never been done,
first of a kind sports festival going on in New
York City August sixteenth or eighteen.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But you were in the repurpose business when you started
down right, when you were long ago?
Speaker 9 (15:02):
When I was a child, Yeah, about thirty five years ago.
I actually was in the visit of buying and selling
close out skis and close out but where that's where
I got my big start from. I was, you know,
I started with ski shops when I was a teenager,
opened my first one when I was fourteen, had five
by the time I graduate high school, nearly went bankrupt
a few times, and I went when I nearly went
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bankrupt once I learned about buying excess merchand I sit
at very diskound of price and that got me into
the close out business.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But just going through the bankruptcy, like, how does that
impact you like, you never want to go through that,
But what do you mean?
Speaker 9 (15:37):
It was a blast I had when I was sixteen
years old. I tell this story all the time. This
is not an exaggeration or embellishment in any way. I
got sued probably one hundred times as a sixteen year old.
The sheriff used to show up before I went to
high school.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Each day she comes.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
She come at like seventh and I was stild at home.
She's like, here at today's lawsuits. I give her a hug,
she said, hi, and she give me the day's lawsuits.
But you know what it teaches you. It teaches you
that each failures to turning into your next success. And
so for me, having almost gone bankrupt and then figure
out how to settle my desk because I wasn't even
old enough to incur a debt, that taught me about
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how do I turn that into my next success? And honestly,
about a few months later, I found a ski shop
that had two hundred thousand dollars merchandise to get auctioned
off for thirteen thousand dollars, and I bought it. And
that got me in the business buying selling closed out,
so to me, any entrepreneur who tells you they haven't
had lots of failures in their life, I think they're
full of it. And you got to take those failures
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and learn from them and have them make you a
better person. Just you know, learn from all your mistakes
is what I do every day. I make lots of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
What do you miss about being an owner? You own
the seventy six ers in the New Jersey Devils. What's
the one thing?
Speaker 9 (16:49):
Well, what I missed was I never got to help
bring a championship to Philadelphia. And I think when you
own a sports seem you have one job, and one
job only had to win a championship for your city.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
And we failed.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
We never did that when I was, you know with
the Philadelphia six Ers.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Look, I you know.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
I'm so fortunate to work around all these sports teams
and the leagues and the players and the players associations.
So like the reason for me was as Fanatas kept
getting bigger, we grew just merchandise where we started to
having a fast growing sports betting business, a Fanatics sportsbook,
to have the trading card business.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
With tops and all these direct relationships with athletes.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
You can't do deals directly with athletes when you own
a team and you can't take bets on your own team,
and so kind of made it impossible for me. So
it was a great one hundred probuge to be part
of the six organization, and you know, it was time
for me to move on and put all of my
effort into building Fanatics.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
He's Michael Rubin, the Fanatics founder and CEO. Give me
the celebrity you met first time you met, and maybe
you were out of sorts, maybe you weren't quite sure
what to say or not say.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Well, I've got a lot of things that suck out,
a lot of weaknesses. Being short of words is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Not one of them.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
So I can't think of the time ever that I
was short of work. Maybe I spoke too much or
said too much, but I don't know. You know, look,
if you grow up working in the business the way
I do, you're in the sports business. Like I've been
around this my whole life, it's kind of just, you know,
it's kind of what I do. So I don't think
it's you just get used to it, and as we
get bigger, the people you work around get bigger. But
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it's not something that I've ever been uncomfortable with I have.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
More for me.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
I have so many questions that I want to learn
from people. I have so many things I want to
absorb from people. So for me, it's about how can
I learn from the people that are around me.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I don't know what you can see. I have an
ultimate man cave here, but your crusher.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
You're like the model Fanatics customer.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I see so many different pieces of memorabilia, so many
cool things in your office.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I was taking note of it all.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I don't know what I don't know what thing or
things are worth. I know a lot of that is
what is it worth to you personally? But like I
have a signed Kobe Allstar jersey where he calls me
the White Mamba. But it's to me so like it's personalized.
A lot of guys personalized autographs. Now what's that do
to the value of that merchandise?
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Yeah, well that's an incredibly valuable jersey and but more importantly,
it's probably an incredibly valuable memory for you. Look our business,
we have you know pretty you know, we own tops
are pretty big trading card business that's really driven by
rookies and driven by moments in sports. We have a
big memorabilia business as well. I'll tell you what I
keep trying to do is learn from the art market
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and take the learnings we have an art and bring
them to memorability and trading cards. Because if you think
about the way great artists sell art, you could take
so many learnings from that and use that to build
the memorabilia business and trading card business. And I think
you see that in the way we're creating scarcity with
tops and a lot of the marketing and a lot
of the building we're doing are taking things that we
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learned from the art market and.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Building Explain that though, Michael, what what what is the
art business doing that equates to what we're doing in memorabilia.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Well, first of.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
All, art is a you know, there are just of
billions or even trillions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Of art owned.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
It's an enormous industry with you know, just incredible asset values.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
I remember hosting dinner at my house maybe a year
or two ago, and Jonas Wood, who's a you know,
well known artist who's done a lot of pieces of
sports art, was talking to about how he goes to
market and the way he'll you know, show the art first,
build a lot of demand for it, and then he
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sells you know, you know, kind of one piece at
a time. That because I want to make this piece
of incredibly valuable.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
First.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
An athlete generally keeps all the memorabilia and then they
need money, and then that memory really starts being sold
in bulk, and you kind of hurt your own market. So,
you know, one learning I guys, just how do you
market memorabilia.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
And do it in a smart way.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
I think if you copy the art market, you're going
to create a lot more value versus you flooded the market.
That's just one example I took from that dinner I
had with Jonas Wood.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
What role did fanatics play in Major League Baseball's uniforms
and what role will you play can you play moving forward?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Look, I think any time anything goes wrong for a
player or a fan and we have any part of it,
we feel some responsibility.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Certainly.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I think it's well known at this point that you know,
we've been making the jerseys for you know, eight years
in the factory that we own, and the factory that
we own has been making the jerseys for more than
twenty years. I think both fanatics and Nike each one
innovate as much as they can.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I think this is particularly case.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Nike want to innovate the jersey and not everything work
the way they want it. By the way, we've had
the same thing happened with us when not everything that
we want to innovate works the way we want.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
The good thing is we.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Listen to players, we listen to fans, and now we're
going back to the bigger letters, the bigger numbers, the
tailor pants, and fans are excited. So that's the great
thing about sports fans. They're super passionate. They got When
you do well, they're gonna tell you did well. When
you do poorly, they're going to speak.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Loud and I like that. That's what makes us a
better company.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I think we got to go back to the players
wearing their jerseys at least the tops in the All
Star Game because there were thirty two first time All
Star players. Michael. We need branding like you're not just
an All Star. I want to equate that, Oh you're
with the Guardians, you know not everybody everybody knows show. Hey,
everybody knows Aaron Judge. But if you're selling baseball. You've
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got to sell more than just you know, the tree
top here with the stars.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
Look, I think you could say in several sports, maybe
other than the NBA, that marketing the stars is a
big opportunity. And for us, what I always say is
I wouldn't have the privolous of working twenty two thousand
incredible team members every day that I work with in
Leading Facts if it wasn't for the incredible players do
what they do on the field, on the ice, on
the court.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
And I think marketing of these players is so important.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
We spend a lot of energy and thought, money and
marketing And by the way, that's honestly what came to
the idea of how we created Fanatics Fest.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Like I, you know, I grew up.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
A collector, Like I grew up going to you know,
different collecting shows, and then when we bought tops and
won at of the rights to the trading cards industry,
I went to the National Trading Card Show in Atlantic
City three years ago and I had like two reactions.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
One was.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
I couldn't believe there were more than one hundred thousand
incredibly passionate collectors this show.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
And I was like so excited by that.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
The second thing was I was like, this hasn't changed
a lot since when I was in high school. You know,
I don't want to say how long ago I was
in high school.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
It's a long time ago.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
I was in high school and went to these trading
card shows and that gave us the idea to create
Fanatics Fest. Now, how do we bring all these star
athletes together to showcase them, how do we let them
connect better to their fans, and what we're going to
do all the sixties to eighteenth that the Japson in
New York City.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
No one's ever tried this in sports. And do you
think about this?
Speaker 9 (23:47):
You have in all the other industries, right, you have
comic Con. I have you ever been to Comicicon?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I have done.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Okay, when you go to comic Con, you'd be like,
this is crazy, hundreds of thousands of people dressed in
their favorite character. You go to music festivals like I
go to cell every year, or you go to south
By Southwest, and you see incredibly passionate fan bases within
an industry.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Sports there's nothing like that.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
So like I've been to you know, the super Bowl,
the NBAL Star Game, Major League you know, Baseball Star Game.
You look at say they all do these fan festival
why can't we create one event. We have the best
athletes in the world to come through, and we're doing this.
By the way, we got like stephen A. Smith interviewing
Tom Brady, and we've got you know, Big Poppy interviewing
Derek Juty, And we've got Eli and Peyton Manning, and
we've got Kevin Durant coming, We've got Anthony Edwards. You
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have two hundred of the greatest athletes in the world
coming for three days to celebrate and create this kind
of sports festival, which when it works, I want to
do this everywhere in the world. Like I want to
create the greatest sports festival in the world. And so
I couldn't be about all the leagues will come and
you'll be able to run the forty yard dasherman. I
can't do that because I'm very uncoordinating, can run very fast,
but you're each league will have an activation there. So
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it's kind of taking the best of all the sports leagues,
the teams, the athletes collecting all one place and kind
of create the ultimate sports festival. So like that's about marketing.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
St and if you want to have somebody who can
do really good interviews. Let me know next time I'll
be available.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
You know, we got to get and by the way,
we want you. We got to get you in there.
Let's let's let let let's go all right.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
This is really about bringing everyone together and we're doing
we have We have so many different people just creating
great content.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
So we need you. That's your call out. You just
commit it. Thank you. By the way, what's the web host?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
What's the website or is there? How do people get information?
Speaker 9 (25:27):
Yeah, you go to fanaticsfest dot com. They'll tell you
about all the different athletes we have. We keep adding
people every single day, and they'll tell you about all
the different activities you can do. But this will be
a one of a kind of sports festival. If you
live anywhere near New York City, whether it's Pennsylvania, Washington,
to see Boston, if you like sports, this will be
something that you can never do except a fanatics Fest.
So check out the site. You know, we can't wait
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to host you. I got one goal. I want every
sports fan to come through there and say like, this
is the most fun I've ever had, you know, just
as they got to do so many different things in sports,
and we got a lot of surprises plan for people.
If there's one thing I'm not bad at, it's throwing parties.
This canna be Alba party.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
The NHL on ice uniforms that's next season.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
No watches this season. We unveiled them at the draft
a few weeks ago.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
The reception was spectacular and you know, really what we learned,
it's you know, we took so much input from the players,
so much input from the equipment managers.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Well, they told us they loved the jury they have,
but they.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Didn't really like the dimples. They needed some reinforcement in
the sleeves. We basically just enhanced the existing jersey and
the reception was ten out of ten.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Perfect, awesome. Were You're a busy man. Good luck with
this coming up next month. Thanks for joining us, Michael.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I'm gonna
see it for as fest.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
That's Michael Rubin, Fanatics founder and CEO. A lot of
energy there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Tory Leavello the Diamondbacks manager, Nationallygue All Star manager, and
kind enough to join us last week to announce to
Paul Schemes that he was going to be the starting
pitcher in the Nationally Gold Star Game. Tory kind enough
to join us in Chicago taking on the Cubs. That'll
be a Friday, Tory joins us. Did you keep everything
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from last night? What did you keep from the All
Star Game last night?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, that's a good question. There's a there's a lot
to take in. And I know you've been You've been
in and out of that club.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Not memories. I'm talking about your uniform, your belts, the
lineup card, like what.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Uh. Yeah, I get to keep my jersey. That that
was pretty good.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Probably the best thing that I got was I brought
a guitar, a red guitar, Sodona Reddish.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Guitar, and I had the entire team sign that.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
So I'm gonna that's that's going to be the best
memory that I'm going to be the best thing and
I'm gonna take back with me in Arizona for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Could we get the pants for the man Cave?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
The jersey? Uh, definitely going to go up in the
man Cave. The pants. You know, did you see the unis.
They're tough unis.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They're a little bit dark story. They're called terrible. They're
they're terrible. You know that, right, nothing personal, they're just
they they don't it looks like softball?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah? I agree. Remember the good old days though, when
you'd wear your home union.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah. Yeah, MLB has a great plan.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
I don't want to disrupt that, but yeah, it was
a little bit different, a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Okay, what are you doing with the pants? Can? Can
I put them in my man cave? How about this?
How about the socks? Could I get something to put
up in the man cave?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Oh my god? Would you really do that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You autograph it. I got don Maddingly sent me his
entire Dodger uniform. Every time he got thrown out of
a game, he had to send me a piece of
his uniform. So I made a mannequin of Donnie and
so I got hat, I got his jersey, I got
his pants, everything over there. So well, I'm not asking
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for you to send me something every time you get
thrown out. Maybe just something, you know, because we have
the all Star game moment. Now you and me and
Paul's schemes. We have that moment that will share the
rest of our lives.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
This is why you're the absolute best.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
I love it. I love it all right, the pants.
I'll send you a couple surprises. They'll be on their
way for sure. Now you know the whole Don Manningly thing. Yeah,
I was a big fan of Johnny Baseball like that.
That must be a pretty impressive collection.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
But our moment, right.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
I butted in on you and Paul the other day,
and I had a tough time doing that. You guys
seem like you guys revive. I'm pretty good, so I
appreciate you inviting me in. But it worked out good,
you know what. MLB tipped me off to that. I'm
just really appreciative. I was able to meet you and
Paul at the same time.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I thought it was great. But you're looking at somebody
who's twenty two years of age, Tori, I mean, seems
pretty mature for twenty two years of age.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
Yeah, you know, you always wonder what's under the hood
when you finally get a chance to meet him. And
he was as as solid a human being as as
you you know, it's as he portrayed when I was
talking to him, as I've been watching him on the
Diamond on TV when he's he's on the bomb thrown,
just very humble, very very proud of his craft, and
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he wants to go out there and be great. And
it's hard to believe, it really is hard to believe
that he's twenty two years old.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Who's he remind you of? Stuff wise?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Probably Doc Gooden.
Speaker 10 (30:31):
Remember when Doc was as dominant as he was early
in his career, and he had a great career.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Don't get me wrong, it was it was a long,
great career.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
But when he when he jumped onto the scene, it
was power stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
With the wipe out curveball.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Paul has the real good fastball and now a young
pitcher that knows where it's going at that velocity is
very uncommon. And then he's got the splinker. He calls
it a sinker or split. That's that's equivalent to the curveball,
Uncle Charlie, that Doc used to throw.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But you also have these, I mean, and I remember
you know Dox kurbball was not ninety seven miles an hour.
It feels like Paul Scheme's off speed pitch is ninety
six ninety seven miles per hour. How long can you
keep that kind of velocity up.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Well, he's a big horse.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
You know, when you stand next to him, he's all
but you know, he's almost seven foot when he's standing
next to you. So he's got a lot, He's got
some He's got some force on the baseball, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 10 (31:30):
But I think his body can withstand that. You know,
this is the type of guy. I think he's a
generational guy because of because of the demeanor, the maturity that.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
We're talking about.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
But I think his stuff is going to be pretty special.
He can stay healthy, He's gonna have a great career.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The star power of Otani. Now you get to write
his name in the lineup. What was that like? Just
sort of being around him on his side.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The presence is pretty powerful.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
You know, you sit next to him him, you know
he's he's just a normal kid right to the same thing.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It's it's amazing. I watched these guys across the field.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
He's circle of the bases after hitting home runs against
the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
He had won last night.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
It was great to high five and when he came
back into our dugout. We were on the same team, but.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I had a couple of moments with them where it
was kind of laughing.
Speaker 10 (32:19):
We were laughing and giggling and just carrying on and
having having the same type of you know, conversation that
you and I are have right now, but just a
just a quality human being who happens to be a
great player. And that's the that's the intimidating part of
being at the All Star Game. You know, you're you're
you're a part of this room. You're in this space
where the best players are in the in the same space.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
At one time, I was just hoping I didn't walk
through the clubhouse and trip and fall in front of everybody.
That was one one left, right, left, right, don't trip?
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
What what was the one that you learned from the
World Series last year? I guess there one override thing
where you have that with you if you went again,
you know, this would be something that you would remind
yourself of.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
Well, first of all, I love baseball. I love the
history of baseball. My grandpa, my parents taught me the
right way. I just I was in awe of the
moment and I will never forget or take that for
granted that.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I was the manager in the World Series.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
You know, it's just the thing that I remember is
all the all the love and support that I got
from people around me in my space, and then it's
seven oh five. It was go time and we had
a job to do. So just remember the balance, the excitement,
and I want to win one.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You know.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
It was tough to go that far and then at
the end of it you had to walk off the
field and New weren't the last last team standing. So
I have a lot of motivation too if we ever
do get back there, make sure that we do everything
we can to win one.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You played in the late eighties and nineties. Best pitch
you faced.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Doc Gooden.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
He was still he was still pumping it up there
in the in the mid nineties with with Uncle Charlie.
You know, I had a really tough time with the
guy by the name of Flash Gordon. I don't know
if you remember the name, Yeah, Tom Flash Gordon. He
would throw me a fastball, probably in the mid nineties,
eye high, and then bounce three curve balls that I
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couldn't see or pick up spin, and.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
He knew it and he kept throwing him short and short.
He's preppically throwing him in the grass, and I was
just going at him. Those are the two guys right
out of nowhere.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
Everybody would think, you know, Roger Clemmets, uh, Nolan Ryan, Well,
certainly they were good. But yeah, I had a tough
time with Doc Goodin and had a really, really tough
time with Flashboard. But Randy Johnson like, yeah, you know,
I think I had a couple of hits off of
the big unit.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
For some reason, I saw the ball. I saw the
ball off him. I don't I can't explain it. He
you know, he might be he might have felt sorry
for me. Who was this little deweave up there? I
gotta help him out. He's hitting two ten. Let me
let me help out and throw mc cookie.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Can you name all fifteen pitchers you homered off of
in your career? Oh?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Man, you know what happens. Uh?
Speaker 10 (35:19):
For some reason, I think I hit more, but I didn't.
And for some reason, I feel like I can go
back to every single.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
One of Paul, Do you have the names of all
fifteen pitchers?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I gotta check.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Okay, okay, I can probably get pretty close, but I
might miss one or two yeah, I can get you
pretty close, Dand for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Any all Stars, any Hall of famers.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
Yeah, that's what threw me off. So I did homer
off of Doc Gooden. I did Homer off of off.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Of Roger Clements. I know he's not a Hall of Famer.
I homered off of Rick Suckcliffe. I had. I had
some big names in there.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I don't know how I did you think that they
looked that when you came up they could maybe rest
a little bit, like an easy out. I'm not gonna
waste my good stuff on it. I mean, I'm gonna
be honest with you, Tory. I mean you weren't Babe
Ruth at the plate. So I'm guessing they might have
gone all right, I got it out here, Yeah, Paulie, Dan,
the list gets better for Tory.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Okay, he got Roger Clements, he got Sutcliffe, he got
Prime Kevin Brown, he got David Wells, Jack Morris, Dwight Gooden.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
I mean that, damn Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I think
you're onto something, though, Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
They looked at me and they felt so.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Remember the Liter League, it was like, okay, everybody, bring
the outfielders in.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Everybody in, everybody in.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Come on, he's good. He's gonna hit him ground ball
or something. He can't get it over anybody's head. So yeah,
I think that was probably part of it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Were you when you got to the plate, A walks
as good as a hit? All right, Tory walks as
good as a hit. Come on now, like they didn't
want to have the expectations too high.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Don't be afraid to get hit. Yeah, don't be afraid
to get hit. It's okay. You know Mark's good, is it?
Come on? Come on, mabe, Well, congratulations, thank you again
for last Friday, and we'll look forward to maybe a
surprise or two for the man Cave.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Oh for sure, I'll get that address. We'll tien that up.
We'll get you something real nice in there. And I honestly, Dan,
I'm a big fan. I would be honored. I'd be
honored as any something.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So thank you, Thank you, Bud. That's Tory. Leavello. The
Diamondbacks they are right now second in the West. They
got the Cubs at Wrigley. That'll be coming up on Friday.
I believe good sport there
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We make way for the Hall of Famer John Smoltz,
who was on the call MLB on Fox last night.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How you feeling, John, early morning back in Atlanta. I'm
doing okay, I'm doing all right.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What was your expectation last night going into that game,
starting with Paul's schemes.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Well, I was excited to see him live for the
first time I've watched him on film. Pittsburgh has probably
the best picture they've ever had in a draft, and
we all know they've had a lot of pictures. There's
a lot of pictures in the rest of Major League
Baseball that used to be with the Pittsburgh Pirates, and
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hopefully they can do something to keep him and do
something to get in the postseason. Because I don't say
this very often about people, but he could throw all
four seen fastballs in a game. If let's just say that,
he he couldn't throw anything but a fastball, and he
could win a lot of big Big League baseball games.
There's not many people. There's a handful of people that
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can do that. Jacob Degram is one of them. You know,
I said that I wouldn't get caught up in the
Stephen Strasburg hysteria. When I did his debut for the
MLB Network and I got caught up in it, it
was electric, And I think this, this young man has
the same capabilities. Now, my biggest wish and hope is
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that he stays healthy. And but can you imagine, you know,
Pittsburgh hasn't been relevant for a while, and that's a
team you don't want to play in a wild card
scenario if they were to get in with their young pitching.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But John, how does he avoid not getting hurt? I mean,
your arm is built to only be able to do
so many things at so many angles for such a
you know, a certain amount of time.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, the one thing I like about him is he
does a lot of good things in his mechanics. Now,
everybody to your right, you're one hundred percent right. One
hundred miles an hour is not normal. But you know,
he's got a big frame, six foot six. I actually
loved that he was throwing a football before his game.
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I think those are one of the look we haven't
We have not even come close to perfecting how to
keep pitchers healthy. Matter of fact, I could do a
whole show on it, and nobody talks about it because
they just realized people are going to get hurt. And
it's a financial model that Analytics is running their whole
grid on. But what I hope we don't do is
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just be so obsessed with, you know, amount of pitches
or the amount of innings. You've got to let your eyes.
You've got to be able to watch a guy. If
he's not having a lot of stress, if he's if
he's repeating his mechanics, a lot of good things can happen.
And you know, he's big, he's strong, and I'm hoping.
I'm crossing my fingers because I know the rhetoric out
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there is, well, when's the date gonna be? You know
that he has Tommy John, which drives me crazy, So
I'm hopeful that he'll be He'll be pitching for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And we've accepted Tommy John is if that comes along
with the position. I mentioned a story a physical therapist
that I work with. He works with major leaguers, and
he had two separate situations where parents of their son
and they were both teenagers, they wanted to have Tommy
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John surgery before they needed Tommy John surgery, and it's
gotten crazy John that you go in and it's basically,
you know, your fifty thousand mile check up with your car.
It's like, yep, you're gonna need Tommy John. All right,
we'll see you in a year. How did we get
here yet, Well.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's the best and worst thing that's ever happened to
this sport. I think we're approaching the fifty year anniversary
of Tommy John. And you know, it was so important
to me that I spent time in my Hall of
Fame speech to try to address this matter. And since then,
nobody's paying attention. Doctors have tried their best to disprove
all these different myths that are out there about to
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Tommy John surgery. It was never intended to twelve year old,
sixteen year olds, eighteen year olds, never, And that's to
your point. It is a byproduct of I call it
a hypnotism, of people just talking about something so much
that you end.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Up believing it.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And if you talk about it enough, even though it's
not true, you'll just buy into the narrative. And that's
one of the narratives that is an absolute worst case scenario.
Oh you'll be fine. Look at this guy, Look at
John Smoltz, look at this guy. It's so false. But
yet people have had enough evidence of the elite pitchers
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coming back from it that they think it's like a
band aid. And you know, I speak to it every
time I can, and I think, you know, it just
goes over people's heads. And as I said, as I've
watched more baseball, I'm approaching watching more baseball than I
did playing it. I just hate to see these young
players in the big leagues. Look, there will be another
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Tommy Zahn recipient that goes into Hall of Fame. But
when I made this statement that there there won't be,
because I saw this epidemic and people are having two
of them and three of them in the big leagues.
Just think about that that one is one is bad enough,
and one should save your career. Two should not be
more of the conversation we're talking about. And so the
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reason there will be another Tommy Zahn recipient in the
Hall of Fame is because there's going to be so
many of them that sooner or later you're going to
get one of those that has had the career long
enough to be able to this was supposed to be
later in your career, not to start your career. And
here's the other thing. There hasn't been many pitchers that
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have lasted more than seven years to date on a
Tommy John recovery. And that's the one thing that we
will have to see as it plays out, if that
becomes some of the benchmarks for the length that it
takes Tommy John before they have another one.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He's John Smoltz, a Hall of Famer on the call
for the All Star Game last night. Then he had
Mason Miller come in fifth inning. John, he was throwing
almost one four.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, I mean they've mastered. Look again, it's a definition
of insanity. They've mastered the ability to throw hard, there's
no doubt about it, but they have not even come
close to be able to match the help with it.
And hitting is way beyond the ability to match this
velocity that they're teaching. You have to sacrifice something to
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throw that hard, and we all know what that is.
That's sacrificing length of your career and sacrificing command. But
when you see a young man that looks pretty effortless
throwing the ball the way he does, all I can
think of because it is the Oakland A's and they
are notorious for trading these kind of players for a
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plan that nobody is able to figure out. Yet the
amount of players that normally a closer would demand is
not that high. He could demand a pretty good package
if they decide to trade him to a contending team.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But he's gone. He's going to be gone. He's going
to be traded.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know, they're just I mean, that's just a guy
that Oakland usually has.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You face a lot of great players, you face Bonds
and Maguire, and we can run down the list here.
But when Otani comes to the plate, who's he remind
you of?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You know, that's a great question. It's not quite Verry Bonds.
Of course. Barry Bonds never missed a pitch in his heyday.
He just he didn't get many to hit, and when
he got them, he obliterated him. It's kind of a combination,
maybe even a hybrid, between a Helton and a Bonds.
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Helton was one of the best peer hitters. I know
everyone's going to say he played a lot of it
in Colorado, but the swing path and the way that
they get to a baseball is similar, and I'm just
enamored with the power. Look, Otani has holes, there's no doubt,
but he's sued them up. You know, he's only had
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to concentrate on hitting this year. Imagine, you know, the
guy has had a break from pitching, and his power
is just so raw, and he goes through little streaks
where you're like a Bond's where you're not getting the
ball by him. And then there's times where you can
get that down and in up and in type quadrant.
But what an incredible first year of a monster contract
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that we hope he's going to pitch majority of that
contract and play uh or and hit at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Let's get to the serious topic, the All Star Game uniforms. Yeah,
what do you think? How would you feel wearing that?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Be honest with you. First thing I said, when I
got to the National League side, they got the better draw.
There's no doubt they got the better draw of the uniforms.
I just I saw Bruce Boche in that uniform and
I'm like boat and you can just see him.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't know, man, it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Has been but it's an easy pick.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
But he thinks that it is an easy fix. I
think that's going to be next year in Atlanta. The
rumor is, I think that's going to be back to
wearing the jersey tops of your team. Somebody thought it
was great, so so they you know, it's like, look,
I mean we all get get dressed and get in
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the mirror and we're like, man, this is a great outfit.
And then somebody sees us and goes, did you get
dressed in the dark? So yeah, that's that was That
was I was. I thought they were when I first
saw them. I thought it was the VP, you know,
kind of like the batting practice and just go out
there and yeah, change into something.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But no, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
How many All Star Games?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Eight? Eight?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, and I was. I got in six of them,
and I had the great, great timing of giving up
two runs and getting two losses. Those are only two
runs I gave up. I got two losses.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, would you rather get in and get the loss
or not get in an All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Probably get in and get the loss.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I was fortunate enough to get one win in ninety six,
but there was there was the craziest scenario in Chicago
when I was closing and I was going to close
out that game and I had two of the greatest
doing their jobs. In Wagner and Ganye pitched the seventh
(11:16):
the eighth, and I was going to pitch the ninth.
We had a four or five run lead, so that's
a one hundred percent guarantee that I'm going to pitch.
And what unfolded in the seventh.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And eighth inning.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Ganya had never given up a run yet alone blown
to save that year, and both of them ended up
giving up some runs. And I was sitting down there,
you know, didn't get in. So that was one of them.
But yeah, I'd rather probably participate even if it's you know,
given up giving up a run to to lose the game.
(11:50):
The first one I gave up. I was the youngest
player to ever get the loss in eighty nine and
Nolan Ryan was the oldest player to ever get to win.
So I got that going for me.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Congratulations, John, he's the Hall of Famer. Good to talk
to you, John, Thanks for joining us as always. Right
same here, Dan, that's John Smoltz on the call last night.
Leave it to me. Let's talk about the negatives of
your Hall of Fame career. Michael Rubin, he is the
founder of Fanatics CEO. Speaking of uniforms. We'll talk to
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him about the uniforms Fanatics. Are they making these uniforms?
I'd like to what's the role that Fanatics has in
these uniforms. Are they selling the uniforms? Does Nike make
the uniform That.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Was a big deal before the season because Fanatics is
selling them, but not necessarily creating a they or you know,
Nike was involved.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Fanatics is involved. MLB's involved.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
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Speaker 2 (13:41):
He is the founder of Fanatics CEO. They Got Something
Special taking place in New York City August sixteenth through
the eighteenth the Javid Center, and fans have a chance
to meet sports heroes. There's a rare cards, memorabilia, limited
edition merch and a lot of interactive experiences s as
we welcome in Michael Rubin. Michael, thank you for joining us.
(14:03):
I can imagine what your business card reads. But when
you explain to somebody this is what my job is,
how would you do that?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
First? How are you doing?
Speaker 9 (14:13):
Great to be with you today? Second, I'd say I
got the greatest job on the plan.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
I get to work.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Around one hundred million plus incredible sports fans, most passionate
fans in the world, thousands of athletes, and you know
it's the it's kind of a it's when you're a
kid you dream of doing something. If you're not athletic
like me, and you actually suck at sports, then you
know you love an opportunity to work around sports and
do what I do and kind of help build kind
of the digital sports ecosystem. So I don't have business cards,
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by the way, I haven't had business cards for probably.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Fifteen years, so that's the good thing.
Speaker 9 (14:44):
So but I'm honored to leave Fanatics and really excited
to talk about everything we're doing with the Fanatics Fest
as well, which can be like a never been done,
first of a kind sports festival going on in New
York City August sixteenth or eighteen.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But you were in the repurpose business when you started
down right, when you were long ago?
Speaker 9 (15:02):
When I was a child, Yeah, about thirty five years ago.
I actually was in the visit of buying and selling
close out skis and close out but where that's where
I got my big start from. I was, you know,
I started with ski shops when I was a teenager,
opened my first one when I was fourteen, had five
by the time I graduate high school, nearly went bankrupt
a few times, and I went when I nearly went
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bankrupt once I learned about buying excess merchand I sit
at very diskound of price and that got me into
the close out business.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But just going through the bankruptcy, like, how does that
impact you like, you never want to go through that,
But what do you mean?
Speaker 9 (15:37):
It was a blast I had when I was sixteen
years old. I tell this story all the time. This
is not an exaggeration or embellishment in any way. I
got sued probably one hundred times as a sixteen year old.
The sheriff used to show up before I went to
high school.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Each day she comes.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
She come at like seventh and I was stild at home.
She's like, here at today's lawsuits. I give her a hug,
she said, hi, and she give me the day's lawsuits.
But you know what it teaches you. It teaches you
that each failures to turning into your next success. And
so for me, having almost gone bankrupt and then figure
out how to settle my desk because I wasn't even
old enough to incur a debt, that taught me about
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how do I turn that into my next success? And honestly,
about a few months later, I found a ski shop
that had two hundred thousand dollars merchandise to get auctioned
off for thirteen thousand dollars, and I bought it. And
that got me in the business buying selling closed out,
so to me, any entrepreneur who tells you they haven't
had lots of failures in their life, I think they're
full of it. And you got to take those failures
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and learn from them and have them make you a
better person. Just you know, learn from all your mistakes
is what I do every day. I make lots of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
What do you miss about being an owner? You own
the seventy six ers in the New Jersey Devils. What's
the one thing?
Speaker 9 (16:49):
Well, what I missed was I never got to help
bring a championship to Philadelphia. And I think when you
own a sports seem you have one job, and one
job only had to win a championship for your city.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
And we failed.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
We never did that when I was, you know with
the Philadelphia six Ers.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Look, I you know.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
I'm so fortunate to work around all these sports teams
and the leagues and the players and the players associations.
So like the reason for me was as Fanatas kept
getting bigger, we grew just merchandise where we started to
having a fast growing sports betting business, a Fanatics sportsbook,
to have the trading card business.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
With tops and all these direct relationships with athletes.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
You can't do deals directly with athletes when you own
a team and you can't take bets on your own team,
and so kind of made it impossible for me. So
it was a great one hundred probuge to be part
of the six organization, and you know, it was time
for me to move on and put all of my
effort into building Fanatics.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
He's Michael Rubin, the Fanatics founder and CEO. Give me
the celebrity you met first time you met, and maybe
you were out of sorts, maybe you weren't quite sure
what to say or not say.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Well, I've got a lot of things that suck out,
a lot of weaknesses. Being short of words is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Not one of them.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
So I can't think of the time ever that I
was short of work. Maybe I spoke too much or
said too much, but I don't know. You know, look,
if you grow up working in the business the way
I do, you're in the sports business. Like I've been
around this my whole life, it's kind of just, you know,
it's kind of what I do. So I don't think
it's you just get used to it, and as we
get bigger, the people you work around get bigger. But
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it's not something that I've ever been uncomfortable with I have.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
More for me.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
I have so many questions that I want to learn
from people. I have so many things I want to
absorb from people. So for me, it's about how can
I learn from the people that are around me.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I don't know what you can see. I have an
ultimate man cave here, but your crusher.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
You're like the model Fanatics customer.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I see so many different pieces of memorabilia, so many
cool things in your office.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I was taking note of it all.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I don't know what I don't know what thing or
things are worth. I know a lot of that is
what is it worth to you personally? But like I
have a signed Kobe Allstar jersey where he calls me
the White Mamba. But it's to me so like it's personalized.
A lot of guys personalized autographs. Now what's that do
to the value of that merchandise?
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Yeah, well that's an incredibly valuable jersey and but more importantly,
it's probably an incredibly valuable memory for you. Look our business,
we have you know pretty you know, we own tops
are pretty big trading card business that's really driven by
rookies and driven by moments in sports. We have a
big memorabilia business as well. I'll tell you what I
keep trying to do is learn from the art market
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and take the learnings we have an art and bring
them to memorability and trading cards. Because if you think
about the way great artists sell art, you could take
so many learnings from that and use that to build
the memorabilia business and trading card business. And I think
you see that in the way we're creating scarcity with
tops and a lot of the marketing and a lot
of the building we're doing are taking things that we
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learned from the art market and.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Building Explain that though, Michael, what what what is the
art business doing that equates to what we're doing in memorabilia.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Well, first of.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
All, art is a you know, there are just of
billions or even trillions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Of art owned.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
It's an enormous industry with you know, just incredible asset values.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
I remember hosting dinner at my house maybe a year
or two ago, and Jonas Wood, who's a you know,
well known artist who's done a lot of pieces of
sports art, was talking to about how he goes to
market and the way he'll you know, show the art first,
build a lot of demand for it, and then he
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sells you know, you know, kind of one piece at
a time. That because I want to make this piece
of incredibly valuable.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
First.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
An athlete generally keeps all the memorabilia and then they
need money, and then that memory really starts being sold
in bulk, and you kind of hurt your own market. So,
you know, one learning I guys, just how do you
market memorabilia.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
And do it in a smart way.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
I think if you copy the art market, you're going
to create a lot more value versus you flooded the market.
That's just one example I took from that dinner I
had with Jonas Wood.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
What role did fanatics play in Major League Baseball's uniforms
and what role will you play can you play moving forward?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Look, I think any time anything goes wrong for a
player or a fan and we have any part of it,
we feel some responsibility.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Certainly.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I think it's well known at this point that you know,
we've been making the jerseys for you know, eight years
in the factory that we own, and the factory that
we own has been making the jerseys for more than
twenty years. I think both fanatics and Nike each one
innovate as much as they can.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I think this is particularly case.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Nike want to innovate the jersey and not everything work
the way they want it. By the way, we've had
the same thing happened with us when not everything that
we want to innovate works the way we want.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
The good thing is we.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Listen to players, we listen to fans, and now we're
going back to the bigger letters, the bigger numbers, the
tailor pants, and fans are excited. So that's the great
thing about sports fans. They're super passionate. They got When
you do well, they're gonna tell you did well. When
you do poorly, they're going to speak.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Loud and I like that. That's what makes us a
better company.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I think we got to go back to the players
wearing their jerseys at least the tops in the All
Star Game because there were thirty two first time All
Star players. Michael. We need branding like you're not just
an All Star. I want to equate that, Oh you're
with the Guardians, you know not everybody everybody knows show. Hey,
everybody knows Aaron Judge. But if you're selling baseball. You've
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got to sell more than just you know, the tree
top here with the stars.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
Look, I think you could say in several sports, maybe
other than the NBA, that marketing the stars is a
big opportunity. And for us, what I always say is
I wouldn't have the privolous of working twenty two thousand
incredible team members every day that I work with in
Leading Facts if it wasn't for the incredible players do
what they do on the field, on the ice, on
the court.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
And I think marketing of these players is so important.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
We spend a lot of energy and thought, money and
marketing And by the way, that's honestly what came to
the idea of how we created Fanatics Fest.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Like I, you know, I grew up.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
A collector, Like I grew up going to you know,
different collecting shows, and then when we bought tops and
won at of the rights to the trading cards industry,
I went to the National Trading Card Show in Atlantic
City three years ago and I had like two reactions.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
One was.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
I couldn't believe there were more than one hundred thousand
incredibly passionate collectors this show.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
And I was like so excited by that.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
The second thing was I was like, this hasn't changed
a lot since when I was in high school. You know,
I don't want to say how long ago I was
in high school.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
It's a long time ago.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
I was in high school and went to these trading
card shows and that gave us the idea to create
Fanatics Fest. Now, how do we bring all these star
athletes together to showcase them, how do we let them
connect better to their fans, and what we're going to
do all the sixties to eighteenth that the Japson in
New York City.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
No one's ever tried this in sports. And do you
think about this?
Speaker 9 (23:47):
You have in all the other industries, right, you have
comic Con. I have you ever been to Comicicon?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I have done.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Okay, when you go to comic Con, you'd be like,
this is crazy, hundreds of thousands of people dressed in
their favorite character. You go to music festivals like I
go to cell every year, or you go to south
By Southwest, and you see incredibly passionate fan bases within
an industry.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Sports there's nothing like that.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
So like I've been to you know, the super Bowl,
the NBAL Star Game, Major League you know, Baseball Star Game.
You look at say they all do these fan festival
why can't we create one event. We have the best
athletes in the world to come through, and we're doing this.
By the way, we got like stephen A. Smith interviewing
Tom Brady, and we've got you know, Big Poppy interviewing
Derek Juty, And we've got Eli and Peyton Manning, and
we've got Kevin Durant coming, We've got Anthony Edwards. You
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have two hundred of the greatest athletes in the world
coming for three days to celebrate and create this kind
of sports festival, which when it works, I want to
do this everywhere in the world. Like I want to
create the greatest sports festival in the world. And so
I couldn't be about all the leagues will come and
you'll be able to run the forty yard dasherman. I
can't do that because I'm very uncoordinating, can run very fast,
but you're each league will have an activation there. So
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it's kind of taking the best of all the sports leagues,
the teams, the athletes collecting all one place and kind
of create the ultimate sports festival. So like that's about marketing.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
St and if you want to have somebody who can
do really good interviews. Let me know next time I'll
be available.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
You know, we got to get and by the way,
we want you. We got to get you in there.
Let's let's let let let's go all right.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
This is really about bringing everyone together and we're doing
we have We have so many different people just creating
great content.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
So we need you. That's your call out. You just
commit it. Thank you. By the way, what's the web host?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
What's the website or is there? How do people get information?
Speaker 9 (25:27):
Yeah, you go to fanaticsfest dot com. They'll tell you
about all the different athletes we have. We keep adding
people every single day, and they'll tell you about all
the different activities you can do. But this will be
a one of a kind of sports festival. If you
live anywhere near New York City, whether it's Pennsylvania, Washington,
to see Boston, if you like sports, this will be
something that you can never do except a fanatics Fest.
So check out the site. You know, we can't wait
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to host you. I got one goal. I want every
sports fan to come through there and say like, this
is the most fun I've ever had, you know, just
as they got to do so many different things in sports,
and we got a lot of surprises plan for people.
If there's one thing I'm not bad at, it's throwing parties.
This canna be Alba party.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
The NHL on ice uniforms that's next season.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
No watches this season. We unveiled them at the draft
a few weeks ago.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
The reception was spectacular and you know, really what we learned,
it's you know, we took so much input from the players,
so much input from the equipment managers.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Well, they told us they loved the jury they have,
but they.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Didn't really like the dimples. They needed some reinforcement in
the sleeves. We basically just enhanced the existing jersey and
the reception was ten out of ten.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Perfect, awesome. Were You're a busy man. Good luck with
this coming up next month. Thanks for joining us, Michael.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I'm gonna
see it for as fest.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
That's Michael Rubin, Fanatics founder and CEO. A lot of
energy there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
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Speaker 2 (26:53):
Tory Leavello the Diamondbacks manager, Nationallygue All Star manager, and
kind enough to join us last week to announce to
Paul Schemes that he was going to be the starting
pitcher in the Nationally Gold Star Game. Tory kind enough
to join us in Chicago taking on the Cubs. That'll
be a Friday, Tory joins us. Did you keep everything
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from last night? What did you keep from the All
Star Game last night?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, that's a good question. There's a there's a lot
to take in. And I know you've been You've been
in and out of that club.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Not memories. I'm talking about your uniform, your belts, the
lineup card, like what.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Uh. Yeah, I get to keep my jersey. That that
was pretty good.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Probably the best thing that I got was I brought
a guitar, a red guitar, Sodona Reddish.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Guitar, and I had the entire team sign that.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
So I'm gonna that's that's going to be the best
memory that I'm going to be the best thing and
I'm gonna take back with me in Arizona for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Could we get the pants for the man Cave?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
The jersey? Uh, definitely going to go up in the
man Cave. The pants. You know, did you see the unis.
They're tough unis.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They're a little bit dark story. They're called terrible. They're
they're terrible. You know that, right, nothing personal, they're just
they they don't it looks like softball?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah? I agree. Remember the good old days though, when
you'd wear your home union.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah. Yeah, MLB has a great plan.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
I don't want to disrupt that, but yeah, it was
a little bit different, a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Okay, what are you doing with the pants? Can? Can
I put them in my man cave? How about this?
How about the socks? Could I get something to put
up in the man cave?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Oh my god? Would you really do that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You autograph it. I got don Maddingly sent me his
entire Dodger uniform. Every time he got thrown out of
a game, he had to send me a piece of
his uniform. So I made a mannequin of Donnie and
so I got hat, I got his jersey, I got
his pants, everything over there. So well, I'm not asking
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for you to send me something every time you get
thrown out. Maybe just something, you know, because we have
the all Star game moment. Now you and me and
Paul's schemes. We have that moment that will share the
rest of our lives.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
This is why you're the absolute best.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
I love it. I love it all right, the pants.
I'll send you a couple surprises. They'll be on their
way for sure. Now you know the whole Don Manningly thing. Yeah,
I was a big fan of Johnny Baseball like that.
That must be a pretty impressive collection.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
But our moment, right.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
I butted in on you and Paul the other day,
and I had a tough time doing that. You guys
seem like you guys revive. I'm pretty good, so I
appreciate you inviting me in. But it worked out good,
you know what. MLB tipped me off to that. I'm
just really appreciative. I was able to meet you and
Paul at the same time.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I thought it was great. But you're looking at somebody
who's twenty two years of age, Tori, I mean, seems
pretty mature for twenty two years of age.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
Yeah, you know, you always wonder what's under the hood
when you finally get a chance to meet him. And
he was as as solid a human being as as
you you know, it's as he portrayed when I was
talking to him, as I've been watching him on the
Diamond on TV when he's he's on the bomb thrown,
just very humble, very very proud of his craft, and
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he wants to go out there and be great. And
it's hard to believe, it really is hard to believe
that he's twenty two years old.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Who's he remind you of? Stuff wise?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Probably Doc Gooden.
Speaker 10 (30:31):
Remember when Doc was as dominant as he was early
in his career, and he had a great career.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Don't get me wrong, it was it was a long,
great career.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
But when he when he jumped onto the scene, it
was power stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
With the wipe out curveball.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Paul has the real good fastball and now a young
pitcher that knows where it's going at that velocity is
very uncommon. And then he's got the splinker. He calls
it a sinker or split. That's that's equivalent to the curveball,
Uncle Charlie, that Doc used to throw.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But you also have these, I mean, and I remember
you know Dox kurbball was not ninety seven miles an hour.
It feels like Paul Scheme's off speed pitch is ninety
six ninety seven miles per hour. How long can you
keep that kind of velocity up.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Well, he's a big horse.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
You know, when you stand next to him, he's all
but you know, he's almost seven foot when he's standing
next to you. So he's got a lot, He's got
some He's got some force on the baseball, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 10 (31:30):
But I think his body can withstand that. You know,
this is the type of guy. I think he's a
generational guy because of because of the demeanor, the maturity that.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
We're talking about.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
But I think his stuff is going to be pretty special.
He can stay healthy, He's gonna have a great career.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The star power of Otani. Now you get to write
his name in the lineup. What was that like? Just
sort of being around him on his side.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The presence is pretty powerful.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
You know, you sit next to him him, you know
he's he's just a normal kid right to the same thing.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It's it's amazing. I watched these guys across the field.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
He's circle of the bases after hitting home runs against
the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
He had won last night.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
It was great to high five and when he came
back into our dugout. We were on the same team, but.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I had a couple of moments with them where it
was kind of laughing.
Speaker 10 (32:19):
We were laughing and giggling and just carrying on and
having having the same type of you know, conversation that
you and I are have right now, but just a
just a quality human being who happens to be a
great player. And that's the that's the intimidating part of
being at the All Star Game. You know, you're you're
you're a part of this room. You're in this space
where the best players are in the in the same space.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
At one time, I was just hoping I didn't walk
through the clubhouse and trip and fall in front of everybody.
That was one one left, right, left, right, don't trip?
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
What what was the one that you learned from the
World Series last year? I guess there one override thing
where you have that with you if you went again,
you know, this would be something that you would remind
yourself of.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
Well, first of all, I love baseball. I love the
history of baseball. My grandpa, my parents taught me the
right way. I just I was in awe of the
moment and I will never forget or take that for
granted that.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I was the manager in the World Series.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
You know, it's just the thing that I remember is
all the all the love and support that I got
from people around me in my space, and then it's
seven oh five. It was go time and we had
a job to do. So just remember the balance, the excitement,
and I want to win one.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You know.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
It was tough to go that far and then at
the end of it you had to walk off the
field and New weren't the last last team standing. So
I have a lot of motivation too if we ever
do get back there, make sure that we do everything
we can to win one.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You played in the late eighties and nineties. Best pitch
you faced.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Doc Gooden.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
He was still he was still pumping it up there
in the in the mid nineties with with Uncle Charlie.
You know, I had a really tough time with the
guy by the name of Flash Gordon. I don't know
if you remember the name, Yeah, Tom Flash Gordon. He
would throw me a fastball, probably in the mid nineties,
eye high, and then bounce three curve balls that I
(34:27):
couldn't see or pick up spin, and.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
He knew it and he kept throwing him short and short.
He's preppically throwing him in the grass, and I was
just going at him. Those are the two guys right
out of nowhere.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
Everybody would think, you know, Roger Clemmets, uh, Nolan Ryan, Well,
certainly they were good. But yeah, I had a tough
time with Doc Goodin and had a really, really tough
time with Flashboard. But Randy Johnson like, yeah, you know,
I think I had a couple of hits off of
the big unit.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
For some reason, I saw the ball. I saw the
ball off him. I don't I can't explain it. He
you know, he might be he might have felt sorry
for me. Who was this little deweave up there? I
gotta help him out. He's hitting two ten. Let me
let me help out and throw mc cookie.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Can you name all fifteen pitchers you homered off of
in your career? Oh?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Man, you know what happens. Uh?
Speaker 10 (35:19):
For some reason, I think I hit more, but I didn't.
And for some reason, I feel like I can go
back to every single.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
One of Paul, Do you have the names of all
fifteen pitchers?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I gotta check.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Okay, okay, I can probably get pretty close, but I
might miss one or two yeah, I can get you
pretty close, Dand for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Any all Stars, any Hall of famers.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
Yeah, that's what threw me off. So I did homer
off of Doc Gooden. I did Homer off of off.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Of Roger Clements. I know he's not a Hall of Famer.
I homered off of Rick Suckcliffe. I had. I had
some big names in there.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I don't know how I did you think that they
looked that when you came up they could maybe rest
a little bit, like an easy out. I'm not gonna
waste my good stuff on it. I mean, I'm gonna
be honest with you, Tory. I mean you weren't Babe
Ruth at the plate. So I'm guessing they might have
gone all right, I got it out here, Yeah, Paulie, Dan,
the list gets better for Tory.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Okay, he got Roger Clements, he got Sutcliffe, he got
Prime Kevin Brown, he got David Wells, Jack Morris, Dwight Gooden.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
I mean that, damn Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I think
you're onto something, though, Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
They looked at me and they felt so.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Remember the Liter League, it was like, okay, everybody, bring
the outfielders in.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Everybody in, everybody in.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Come on, he's good. He's gonna hit him ground ball
or something. He can't get it over anybody's head. So yeah,
I think that was probably part of it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Were you when you got to the plate, A walks
as good as a hit? All right, Tory walks as
good as a hit. Come on now, like they didn't
want to have the expectations too high.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Don't be afraid to get hit. Yeah, don't be afraid
to get hit. It's okay. You know Mark's good, is it?
Come on? Come on, mabe, Well, congratulations, thank you again
for last Friday, and we'll look forward to maybe a
surprise or two for the man Cave.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Oh for sure, I'll get that address. We'll tien that up.
We'll get you something real nice in there. And I honestly, Dan,
I'm a big fan. I would be honored. I'd be
honored as any something.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So thank you, Thank you, Bud. That's Tory. Leavello. The
Diamondbacks they are right now second in the West. They
got the Cubs at Wrigley. That'll be coming up on Friday.
I believe good sport there
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