Making 2024 Trade Deadline Deals with Foolish Baseball

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to a very special edition of Wake
and Jakin annual tradition of sorts. As the trade deadline
approaches and America's new GMS Foolish Bailey, myself, my consigliary
analytics department BBD, and we're gonna get into some mock trades.

(00:20):
What should we label this, Bailey?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I could call it dealer no Deal? You know, I
think last year is called making trades. But basically, I'm
gonna give you the deal, and you've got to say,
you know, dealer no deal. We're not gonna really, you know,
push each other for Oh, you need to throw in
this one extra prospect who's the twenty seventh ranked guy,
but he's got upside, you know. But just if the
general framework of the deal makes sense or not, that's

(00:43):
gonna be what you have to decide.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I tried to My original funny idea in my head
was to try to dress up as that meme of
the like the Internet trade guy who's got his hands
yet I give you, And then I last night I
was like, I don't have an outfit for that, and
then I saw my weekly dumb blazer and I was like,
let me put that on and I've just headed the

(01:07):
wrong direction the whole time for our little cosplay event here.
So I'm I'm sorry for everyone on the YouTube, but
I thank everyone on the YouTube because over twenty k
the subscriptions are coming in. The people like Bailey, what's
that about?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well, you know, YouTube's my site.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I bet if you go into the podcast feed for
this show, it's the exact same every episode. But just
I do well on the YouTube, you know, because that's
my it's my zone, it's my wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It sure is. Well, let's let's dive in because I'm
how many I guess how many do you have in
the chamber? If you don't mind me asking.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think I've got six?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, okay, Well let's I'm excited to where see where
you want to start? And I guess the other thing
I want to I don't think this spoils anything. One
of the rumors about this deadline is that there's gonna
be contender can tender trades like I I have an
extra bullpen but you haven't. Do you have any of

(02:04):
those lined up? Or is this a lot of like
you you're buying I'm selling.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
This is this is a very traditional You're I'm selling
it's probably easier.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's probably Yeah. Well, let's see where we go. And
if I do remember correctly from last year, there were
some mock phone call answerings. Do you think we need that?
Or no? Yes, I think we do need Okay, well
I'm I'm open for business. Okay, So first of all,
I guess I'll tell you who you are right now. Yes,

(02:34):
because you have been you have been appointed, Jake, just
a starch.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're gonna work a lot of jobs today. You're gonna
wear many hats. But you, Jake, are the GM of
the Milwaukee Brewers.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's great. I mean that's I wouldn't say it's not
in the realm of possibility. We have some good friends
in Milwaukee. Everyone remembers the John Boys Sausage Race. There's
people would be there's only a couple steps between that
and true front office responsibilities. But we're a very smart organization, Bailey,
So you better you know this better makes sense on

(03:10):
my end.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right, Yeah, that's that's gonna need to make sense on
your end. So you're GM of the Brewers. You've replaced
Matt Arnold as guess, which is a shame because he
seems like he's been doing a great job. He just
took over. It's a completely new regime there in first place.
But you know, maybe you're answering the phone for him,
and you know, someone gives you a call and you

(03:35):
have to figure out you know who it is and
who they want to trade to you.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So here we go.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay, ring, Hello, Jake Story Ellie for for Matt Art.
I've decided Matt Arnold has gotten He's gotten one of
those president jobs there all. But I basically do I
do the work now?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah? Hello, Hey, hey buddy, it's me Chris Gets from
the White Side.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh wow, Chris. Uh, you know, I US US Northern
men have to stay together, right, I'm gonna put the
phone down. US Northern men have to stay together. And uh,
you know, I know it's been a tough one over there,
but I'm sure the White Sox will be back to
their golden years that they've shockingly never had for a
team in Chicago. But what do you got, Chris Gets?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, first of all, I gotta say, I have no
idea what you're talking about, because I was just talking
with Jerry Reinstorf and we both agreed we're doing an
awesome job.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, we're killing it right.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yes, that's right, that's right. Beauty's in the eye of
the beer holder.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, you know, we we do have a guy who
you know, this isn't just a rental Milwaukee Brewers. This
is a guy who has another year left on his
deal after this and I just have a feeling that
he's probably one of the more likely guys to be
traded at this deadline, and we think he would be
a good fit for you for your Milwaukee Brewers. Do

(04:57):
you have any idea who that could be I would
have looking at a.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Roster, I would assume, you know, I would Luis Robert
and his team options look fine in Milwaukee. There's a
discussion there, but I'm going to assume you're talking about
Eric Fetti and his resurgent with his one year, seven
and a half million dollar deal next year as well.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
That is exactly who we are talking about. And again,
because you know, Jerry and I had a conversation that
we're doing so well. I mean, look at what we did.
We signed this guy for two years on the chief.
We're talking about a KBO MVP. And if there's anything
you guys in Milwaukee like, you like a KBO guy.
Because you like your Eric Thames, you like your josh
Linn Bloom. This is your next guy you gotta get.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Eric Fetty.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm looking at your roster right now. I'm telling you
I'm the GM of the White Sox, and I do
not envy your rotation situation whatsoever. Right now, you have
Freddy Peralta, which is great. Then after that we're talking
Aaron Savale, Tobias Meyers, Colin Rea and really really no
five because of injuries. Right now, you had Joe Ross,
you know you had had you know, Robert Gasser was

(06:02):
the guy you were thinking about integrating in there. But
you need another starter for sure to solidify your position. Well,
so of course I'll be offering up Eric Fetty.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, let me slow you down there, Bailey, because you know,
sure we may have some strengths offensively defensively in our bullpen,
but you know we've got guys coming back. D L. Hall,
who people thought would be an All Star this year
because of our brewer's magic. He's on the way. So
I don't want you thinking, you know, we need starting

(06:34):
pitching even though we only have four starters right now.
But yeah, sure, Eric Fetty, Yeah, so to.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Get Eric Fetti for the next two months plus another
year at seven and a half million, we went kind
of your post hype guys, you know what I mean,
m Like, these are guys that you thought were going
to be part of this, you know, winning Brewer's Corps,
and they've sort of fallen by the wayside, and probably
honestly for you guys just looking at it, they may

(07:03):
be burning a hole on your forty man.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
That maybe it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know, you may just want to get these guys
off your forty man, and there's some value in that.
And so so here's what I'm gonna suggest. We want
Joey Weimer, who is you know, had a lot of
excitement coming through the miners, like good power, speed guy,
plays awesome defense in centerfield potentially, but it looks like
he's kind of and I'm look, I'm just reading the

(07:27):
tea leaves. It looks like he's kind of fallen out
of favor. And you guys in sort of that circle
of young outfielders, the Mitchell, the South Freelick, the Blake
Perkins shuffle. So it just doesn't seem like you guys
are all that interested in him. But we could definitely
be interested in him, and then we're also gonna take
Aaron Ashby, you know, who has hyped, had some injuries
and you know, has come back and is walking like

(07:49):
twenty percent of the batters he faces in Triple A.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
We like it. We like the upside here, we like
the post hype factor.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
For us, the question is whether you're willing to relinquish
these guys, who, by the way, currently are not a
part of your plans to win, but they would, you know,
get that major league experience necessary with us for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Aaron Ashby. For those that aren't familiar, you probably are
because you're listening to a mock trade episode with myself.
Bailey and David uh Man highly touted lefty for a
little bit. Everyone thought he was going to be the
next guy. Seeing an Ashby on the mound that hits

(08:31):
a chord for some baseball people as well. And yeah,
you're right. I mean the injuries, injuries sure have kicked
in a little bit, and then the performance really really
hasn't been where you'd expect. The walks, my god, that's
I had not looked at those numbers. Seventy two point

(08:53):
two winning, seventy four strikeouts at triple A, sixty five walks,
sixty eighty six hits as well, So we're we are
searching for young Aaron Ashby. Joey Weimer is interesting because
you're right, there's been a lot of body movement there

(09:13):
and Ashby is now twenty twenty six approaching or no,
he just turned twenty six, so there's still You're right,
the post hype trade. And didn't they the White Sox
this offseason when they traded with the Braves. Wasn't that
like a post hype crop, Like for sure they had

(09:35):
what was that they traded over five guys and it
was Soroka and.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It was yeah, Shuster shuster, shoemake. Wow, we had like
all had draft pedigree.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Right, everyone was either like first round pick or had
become a real prospect at one time. And so the
post hype White Sox, which I'm I like Joey Weimer,
so myself is the Brewers. What makes me nervous is
we love what we do here. We believe in what

(10:08):
we do here. We've run the division like this year
is our full establishment, traded Corbyn Burns and now we're
more powerful than we've ever been, Like this is our
Emperor of the NL central storyline that like, how far
removed would we have been talking about a conversation like
this with Bryce Terrang Whereas, like, you know, if you

(10:31):
had hit me up this offseason and said, you know,
Bryce Terrang does doesn't look like it at the MLB level.
Sure he'll run and play some defense. He's become one
of the best second basements in second basemen in baseball.
My initial reaction is an absolutely Like you mentioned with

(10:54):
our outfield depth between Garrett Mitchell, when you said post hype,
I thought you were gonna start there because he was
supposed to be like the leader of the freshman and
he's been essentially missing, but he's coming back and starting
to get some playing time the Blake Perkins offensive outbreak
when it was kind of looking like he was just

(11:15):
gonna be a defense only guy for them. And when
I look at my outfield, I mean, I've got spots
I don't want to say locked up, but Chario with
early steps this second half, he's going to be there.
We believe in Sal Freelick to some degree that it's
kind of figuring out that final spot. And I just

(11:40):
Joey Weimer, he's been getting on base at TRIPLEA, but
from what we've seen at the major league level so far,
it's it's a scary offensive outlook. And not to be
super rude to Joey Weimer, which I'm about to be,
the batting stance is kind of tough. Like when you
come up with a unique batting stance and then it

(12:02):
doesn't work. It's kind of like, just do it normal, pal,
while he does have really good minor league numbers, I mean, Bailey,
If I'm being honest, I think that is a more
than fair offer that if I was the Milwaukee Brewers,
I would say yes, And I think I guess. I
think the other thing they would have to be laid
out here as i've broken our role play voices. Teams

(12:25):
care so much about control that if Joey Weimer and
Ashby click at all, it's the years of control that
they would feel like they've kind of done well in
this trade. I don't know, though, I the other side
of this argument, dude, that one year, seven and a

(12:47):
half million next year for Fetti is so valuable to
one of these one of these central teams is going
to get Fetti. I've convinced myself of that I think
so too, because of that contract that the value of
him is just more where I think some of the
bigger market teams, whether Dodgers, Yankees, whoever, it may be,

(13:11):
their main priority is I need a guy that can
help me win the championship. I think the Brewers, Guardians,
cup Twins are also looking for that. But when they
see that one year seven and a half mil for
a starter next year, that's where the value comes in.
If I'm the Brewers, I'm I'm easily punching that deal.
And I guess the only hesitation in my voice right

(13:32):
now is am I going to land on that with
every buyer side.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Because like, let's buy, let's buy right, Well, we'll just
have to see it'll the stakes will will get a
little bit bigger as we move along. They're not all
going to be you know, cut and dry. You know,
let's go get Eric Eric Fetty situations.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know, do you think do you think that the
white side, let's say, ir l, in real life, the
white side Eric Fetty is going to be one of
the bigger pieces. I think. I guess that's an opinion,
and I guess if people don't know, like Eric Fetty's
having a very good year, and the Savant numbers are

(14:14):
kind of there, like, uh, there's a lot of red
on that Baseball reference page. We've now seen a few
KBO resurgence stories that I think, like Eric Fetty was
a real prospect at one point. It feels like he
went to the KBO, the light bulb went off just
a little bit more, and he's he's found some value.

(14:34):
I don't know if he's gonna be a two nine
eight er guy next year as well. Do you think
that kind of package would get it done for Fetti
at this deadline?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, I'm curious about it.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's just be interesting, like how how they still value
guys like Weimer and Ashby, because I, you know, like
I love both those guys, so I can definitely still
see the upside. But I don't know if the industry
necessarily still does, right. It's just it's a difference of perspective.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, that's the the what what's making me nervous and
excited for this deadline? Uh, the the Hunter Harvey trade. Yeah,
I don't know, man, I feel like we're a couple
of years removed from like trading for a reliever, like

(15:19):
here's here's prospect number seventeen. He's never hit a home run,
but man, can he run that. Hunter Harvey they got
a prospect to again at twenty two years old. He's uh,
he's doing okay at the minor league level. I have

(15:40):
no idea what to tell you about Kana Wallace. But
they also got like a first round compensatory pick, right that, right.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So they got they got like a top you know,
forty five pick in the draft, you know, so which
men they could like mess around with the bonus pool
even more.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And there's value in that for sure.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And you know, and the time and the place when
everyone's fun. Fact, like you know, Gunner Henderson was actually
at the start of the second round. Like I don't know,
seeing that price tag for Hunter Harvey, I almost just
as the White Sox, I guess as the fan perspective,
being like, hey, we did something right with Fetti. We

(16:17):
took a chance on him for two years. That's paying
off even more because he's got extra value to trade
that we're getting back. Joey Weimer. That seemed to flame
out and ashby that again. I don't really know what's
going on, but it seems like he must be in Pitcher.
Hell right now, yeah, god, okay, so Brewers, Eric Fetti, done, done, done,

(16:41):
great one. Thank you for calling Chris Getz.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh it was a great cock. And again just to
be clear, we're doing an awesome job.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Thank you for clarifying that and scene. Okay, Uh, where
to next? Bailey Jake?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Congratulations the people on Twitter who have been just asking,
just begging for this, I've finally got what they wanted.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Jake story. Ol, you are the GM of the New
York Yankees.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yes, yes, the people have spoken finally. Uh, Cash, he's
had this big budget for how many years? You know?
It was actually Jean Stick Michael who did all this? Okay,
and who's calling Ring Ring ring Jake's story? Ellie, president

(17:32):
of the New York Yankees.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Hey, this is uh, this is Peter Bendix from the Marlins.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Peter, my good man. How are you good?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I bet you're glad to have me out of the division, right.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Oh you don't, you don't even know? And you know
I I I'm glad I'm talking to you because you
know as much as I I love Kim Ang, you know,
she she pulled out on that uh glabor trade that
we had lined up a couple years ago. So I'm
glad that we can. I really hope we can get

(18:03):
some things done and unify the Marlins and the Yankees
fans once and for all.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, this will be uh, you know, the Derek Jeter trade.
How that's probably not a good way of putting it anyways.
Looking at our roster, just what stands out to you, like, Like,
there's obviously like multiple pieces who fit here, but there
is one that I'm kind of leaning towards right now,
and I just want to see where you're at.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oo if I am the Yankee shopping on the are
you guys the Miami Marlins? Now?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, we sure are we. It's only been that for
like ten years.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
My age showing with that, no one thinks of them
as the Florida Marlins anymore.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Keep in mind, we talked to the expos already and
they don't want to make a deal.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
They're out. Yeah, I mean, honestly, the number one option
would be Tanner Scott coming out of that bullpen.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
That is the correct answer, mister Tanner Scott. Let's talk
a little bit about Tanner Scott because this is this
is a wild man.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, I enjoy watching this man pitch.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
But this is a wild man because last year with
the Marlins, his walk rate dropped from where it had
historically been to eight percent, and as a result, he
was basically one of the best relievers in ball. This year,
he's still been excellent in the sense that his eer
is extremely low. It starts with the number one. He's
he's one dotting now as a pitcher, which is a

(19:28):
good thing to be doing. Uh, but the walk rates
fifteen percent, So there are definitely some fears as well.
And this is just a purely rental. You're renting a reliever.
He's probably gonna throw like twenty two more regular season
innings for you, right, and then you get the playoffs,

(19:49):
which is going to be more important. So I guess
the question is what's the at least in the regular
season plus playoffs as well, Like, what's the value of
twenty two fairly high leverage innings? Like I don't even
think I don't know what the Yankees fan barobdra is
like on Clay Holmes right now, but I don't get
the sense that Tanner Scott becomes the closer necessarily here.
I think he's more seventh eighth inning. You may disagree

(20:11):
over there in Yankee Ville. I don't know what is
the general attitude towards Clay Holmes right now? Do you
want committee?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Do you like? What are we talking?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
I think in a perfect world, you would have someone
that if you needed to save, whether that's on a
Clay Holmes off day or if you were coming kind
of the not the committee that Bullpens were dreaming of
a couple of years ago. But if you see an

(20:38):
eight ninth inning and then that ninth inning, it's Duran
Dever's Yoshida. I would prefer to go to Tanner Scott
in that situation. The other hot topic, and I get
my analytics Consiglieri's view on it too. There is just
a weird thing with Clay Holmes that when he gives

(21:00):
up a save, it's the same thing every time it's
infield single, which the Yankees go, darn tutin, you can't
predict baseball, and it's like, well, if that happens every time,
maybe that's part of the prediction. There's a walk and
then there's an actual hit, and it's it's one of
those things where it's like, damn, we got Dnton dunk

(21:22):
to death and you're like, but this is it's also
the closer with the most blown saves, which I know
that gets tricky because he's an opportunity to save games,
debes anything I'm missing there.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah, in an ideal world, Clay Holmes would would be
Yankees would be acquiring a reliever to close over Clay
Homes and he'd be seventh, eighth innings and he'd probably
have the same issues in how runs happen where it's like, yeah,
he didn't give up crazy contact, but you didn't build
a great.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
In field to accommodate his pitching style. But that's that's
a bigger picture, and I guess closing the loop on
it and not revealing too much on our phone call,
Like I guess the other thing is right now, there's
not you want that other person that would be like, hey,
they should, they could be the closer, And it's like
Luke Weaver has been great, but I'm I don't, I'm

(22:13):
not ready for that. Tommy Kinley has a great career
as a reliever, but never like that ninth inning nails
guy that you need that right now. Clay Holmes is
like the unencumbered popular word this time of year, closer,
that someone to at least challenge him. I think that
would be welcome, and that could be Tanner Scott.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
So and I'll point this out too, like there I've
heard a lot of discussions that basically Tanner Scott is
like who you want and a closer, which is these
guys who are like a little wild, but they strike
out a lot of guys and they don't allow a
lot of hits or home runs. They're kind of across
one inning, a little more predictable, a little more consistent.
Like it is that kind of like a roll thisis

(22:59):
Chapman kind of stuff. I look like going after a
save because yeah, like even if you have someone who's
clearly a good pitcher like Clay Holmes right like there is,
you know, you're asking the defense to do more basically,
and that's gonna introduce another level of variance. And so yeah,
there are gonna be blown saved. So just from what
I'm hearing for you guys, it's not necessarily like, oh,
Tanner Scott comes in and he's automatically the ninth inning guy,

(23:20):
but you'd like to have another option for a different
style of ninth inning guys. Another guy who is capable
of picking up, you know, a save in a big situation.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I think again, I'll use the Red Sox for the
example as now. But you know, if if in the
eighth inning it's Wong Tyler, O'Neill Wong and uh, you
know Tom Smith, I'd say, hey, maybe in the eighth
should that be the Clay Holmes lane if it's lining
up for Duran Endeavors. So that's I think having that

(23:49):
on the table would make any any team stronger.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, let me tell you what we want over here
in Miami.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Twenty games of wild Tanners.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah we've got, Yeah, you've got twenty games plus plus
plus the yaffs. I'm anticipated it's true he would come
in sixteen games, which the Yankees would use him every game.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
A La Wandy Peralta.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Right, right, Okay, here's who we want.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So from the Marlins perspective, I think right here, like
this is a rebuild. I don't think they necessarily need
to prioritize like big league readiness. They don't need to
get guys who are necessarily even like forty men eligible
or anything like that. Like they want to get some
like lower level but higher upside prospects.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Some more question marquee type players.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
We saw that in the Rise trade. No, like they
they grabbed a bunch of hodgepodge young kids. Uh, kind
of just playing the lotto game.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, that's that's their route. They'd probably want to go
this trade deadline. So I've I've got three guys I'm
looking at here, and I just would, you know, want
to quickly hear your thoughts on them. I don't need
to necessarily, you know, just derail this podcast with discussions
about players ranked between ten and twentieth in the New
York Yankees farm system. But I've got just keep an

(25:02):
eye on Jared Serna, who's a twenty two year old
in High A. He just kind of like seems like
a contact hitter, doesn't strike out too much, takes his walks,
tries to get on base.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
He's in High A right now.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
He has a one to sixteen WRC plus, so he's
been above average hitder. There's been a little bit of
excitement about him. A guy who has what in the
prospect world they call helium.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
To throw out a good prospect.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
The baseball term is a catcher they have in the
Complex right now, like the Complex League. His name is
ed Glen Perez. He is eighteen years old. He is
walking in twenty percent of his plate appearances. He's also
hit a couple of home runs. He has a one
to forty WRC plus in the Complex League as an
eighteen year old, which is very impressive. That is a

(25:50):
level that is in terms of skill and age somewhat
between like the Dominican rookie ball, which is the lowest
of the low in professional affiliated baseball. And then you know,
full season A ball, so maybe he goes season A
ball next year and he's a catcher, and then we're
also keeping an eye on And this is probably the
name maybe most familiar to Yankees fans. Brock Salvage twenty

(26:10):
twenty one third rounder, starting pitching prospect currently in Double
A right now, e RA and fifth, kind of low force.
Seems like he's kind of like a ground ball pitcher. Yeah,
and we really quite frankly, you might seem like a
lot to ask for twenty two Tanner Scott innings.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
This is which is what we've determined that this is.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
But you know, you're not giving up your big guys,
and we're just trying to get you know, like some
upside necessarily here, We're not you know, we're not trying
to get you know, guys who I think the value
has already kind of been decided one way or another.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
So you're you're asking for all three.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
We won all three.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
This is where the Yankee mindset feels. It's like something
like this should be a layup. Yet at the same time,
when you're running an organization, if you thought like that,
I I'd like to think the Yankees would be in
a worse place that if if you were giving a
if every year the Yankees gave up three prospects for

(27:16):
twenty two reliever innings at some point, that would that
would hurt. Yes, Rock Salvage, we like him, futures game,
Brock Salvage.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
You left that out when you were talking about our
young star. Who's who's doing some things we like at
double A this year almost a strikeout an inning. If
I'm the Yankees and this is this is where I
will basically say the same thing, but land on the

(27:49):
other side Jared Serna and I'll I'll be rude to
my guy here listed five seven, one sixty eight. I
love myself, Short King, but Jared Serna in Yankee world,
I don't know what he could possibly do to get

(28:10):
called up and given a real opportunity, like right, like
that's just real Yankee stuff, like them giving Ben Rice
an opportunity this year was a big deal and he
was like one dotting and killing it in the minor
leagues like he had it looked like he had just

(28:32):
figured it all out and they heliumed him to the Yanks.
That yeah, like if Jared Serna, the catcher, I forgot
his name. I think it was Edward. Maybe I've been
watching been watching too much Game of Thrones. Yeah, like
if if if his eight if an eighteen year old

(28:52):
catcher who's not doesn't have the nickname the Martian at
this point hurts you like you need to We're the
Yank The bullpen is a problem, I think the Yankees era.
What was the stat I think since June eleventh or
something like that, it was the Rockies and then them

(29:13):
as the two worst eras in baseball. And a chunk
of that chunk of that's obviously the starters, but a
chunk of that's the bullpen. That yes, and it's it's
my fear from earlier in this exercise. But for that Hodgepodge,
I guess in real life, I would assume the Yankees
would fight back on brock Selvage just saying, like his

(29:36):
futures game, we really like this guy. He's got the
arm talent. The other two I think the Yankees are
to become a prospect that gets the opportunity to become
the Yankees starting catcher or the Yankees starting infielder, like
the people in the past couple of years that have

(29:56):
done this. Austin Wells was a first round pick and
now he is getting that opportunity. Clabor Torres was a
top five prospect, Anthony Volpi was a top five prospect.
To actually get that real opportunity that if you're the
Yankees and some team wants to take a chance on
these guys, knock yourself out.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, if we were, if we were really doing this,
we'd probably spend twenty four hours trying to get you
to take two out of those three.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Whatever you want. But but and that's exercise. That's where
I'm glad I laid out the Hunter Harvey part of this,
because if if that's the Hunter Harvey price, which is
a year and a half, but I think Tanner Scott
has a little better high end. I think the lefty
situation still plays in baseball. Was an experience that yeah.

(30:44):
I mean I if that trade came out, all of
my Yankees, my strong Yankees Twitter following would be saying
Cash got out, Jake got in, Like that's that's where
we're at, looking for back end bullpen help.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
So we've got a deal, is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, it's done, It's done. And I think Tanner Scott,
I guess of a little little wide picture baseball, is
Tanner Scott going to be the best reliever traded? I
guess who are the other people?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Carlos Estevez Stevs is definitely one the Nationals could look
to move on from Finnigan, who's been excellent lately. So
I think I think there's like a certain tier of guys.
I wouldn't necessarily say a Steves or Finnigan are better
or worse than Tanner Scott right now, but there's there's
kind of a tier of guys that are like, you know,

(31:37):
closers on a bad team, maybe more in a committee
or eighth inning on a good team.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yes, okay, thank you. The fan base is going to
rejoice over this.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yes, And in exactly five and a half years when
edg Glean Perez is the starting catcher, will feel pretty
good in Miami. And I'll say, can't you believe they
traded him for Tanner Scott? And Tanner Scott had like
a four point one two era in those twenty.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Two isn't it? Isn't it so crazy that GM's actually
think like that? And I realize they have to. But also,
I don't know, man, if you get Burt.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Who definitely thinks that way, those Peter Bendix like, yeah,
he's in it, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
And that's last name, Ben Dix. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if if I was a GM and
Tanner Scott, I don't I guess that would carry with you,
right like the whoever traded uh Tatis for? Was it
James Shields? I bet that comes up in their conversation.
So I don't know. I guess you're supposed to live

(32:43):
in fear for that. But if you're the Yankees, you
should be scared that you haven't been to a World
Series in fifteen years? Right exclamation point? Okay, I'm who
the Yankees off the Yankees front office is stressful. I'm
looking for a different gig. Now where should I be heading?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, we're gonna put you in a in a situation
that is not stressful at all, just kidding. You are
the GM of the Atlanta Braves. Oh, people are waving
their arms on the sinking ship just a little bit.
They're getting a little antsy over there.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, if there's anything we know how to navigate, it's
a trade deadline partner.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
That's right. So we're Uh, did we move to Dallas?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah? I don't know. I got a deep South Texas. Yeah,
I left the Rangers front office to join h It
was a brief pit stop, collected another ring, and now
I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, you showed up in the bolo and the cowboy hat.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
And we said we don't do that in Cobb County.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
We're good, We're good. Yeah, get that Columbia fishing shirt on.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yes, you gotta start dressing like you're an Easter egg
every Sunday.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I mean, I'm pretty I'm honestly pretty close to that.
What are you? You know? We we have a couple
of team needs. We are the Braves, like we're built
pretty sure, But what a who's calling? Even we're en
ring ring yellow.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Hey it's me the Tampa Bay Rays.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh, we'd love the Rays. We share a mark. Congrats
on that new stadium. Maybe it feels like this one
has some legs that you know, you're gonna need some
players to fill out that ballpark in twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yes, we're well, you know, we're we're looking at this
here trade deadline, and you know it's we really don't
have a bad team. We have a lot of pieces
that could be moved, you know, to a team like
the Braves, but we're actually looking at you know, and
I just you know, I was just scrolling on my phone,
sitting on the toil, and I just couldn't help. But
notice Max freed to the injured list for you guys, Like,

(34:46):
oh my gosh, what a bummer.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's a contract year
for Max. But you know, he's he's had some injuries
before and he's come back young, healthy, handsome, strong man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I guess, just you know, and I'm you know, I'm
just really a caring friend. If anything, I don't even
care about making trade, but just just looking at our roster,
you know, just serendipitously. Is there is there possibly anything
we could do to help that situation?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Uh? I mean, you know, you can never have you
can never have enough pitch, you can never have enough
arms come October. So if if that's what you're discussing,
I will need to say just before we get into this,
Nacho Alvarez Junior, who we just called up, he is
off the table, so please do not, please do not
ask about him. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
That was That was a.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Great comedy bit that just unfolded for the people only
on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
This is a YouTube guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
The acting so if your podcast only the acting has
been top notch.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I I want to preface this by saying, I'm actually
make an argument for the braves here, even though you
are in fact playing the role of the brains, as
to as to why a trade for zach Eflin in
particular makes sense. So the Rays, well, let me let
me tell you what the Rays do. They They just
they trade guys who are making money. They trade guys,

(36:15):
you know, when they get a year or two into
the r and I think that's why we're seeing a
lot of discussions about a Rosaarina. This trade deadline potentially
or East Soak parades because those guys are getting there
in the arb Zach Eflin. The contract they signed him
to was backloaded. It was a three year deal for for.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Forty million total.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
But the way it lines up, he makes eleven million
this year, but eighteen million in twenty twenty five, So
anyone trading for him is trading for basically the rest
of this year plus a year of Eflyn at eighteen,
which is not cheap, you know, yeah, like that, Like, well,
here's how I put it. It's that's the difference between
like an e Flyn and like an Eric Fetti, right,

(36:56):
like the because of that money, it's more likely that
like you mentioned, like a smaller budget central team goes
for Fetti, like the Brewers or the Guardians if they
want to trade, you know, within the division, whereas a
team that's not too afraid to take on salary would
make more sense to even I think, go after Eflyn
if the Rays were just purely trying to you know, dump,

(37:17):
right because they maybe they're thinking because because honestly, dude,
like Efflyn's going to make more money than a Rose
arena or parades next year.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Anyways, you know, yeah, so to me.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
So to me, that should be almost the priority for them,
But that also probably lowers the the asking price for
Tampa if they are that desperate to not pay Zach
Eflin eighteen million, even though he's been pretty solid for them. Like,
I think we know who he is, control pitcher. He's
gonna get through innings. The EER is probably gonna be
high threes, maybe low four's. And it's one year eighteen

(37:47):
million after this year.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, I think it's a great point by you, Bailey,
And I do think the a little shocking looking at
Zach Efflyn's page since twenty seventeen, which you know, he
was twenty three years old, he was a kid. It
was eleven starts. He's never had a bad time on
the mound. His highest ERA in a season is four

(38:13):
three six, and that's twenty eighteen. It's just the other
side of it. His lowest DR in a season is
three to five, which was last year. So I've almost
never seen this little variation season of season from what
Zach Efflin's gonna get you that you're right on, one
year eighteen is a little tough because he doesn't have

(38:34):
necessarily that high end potential that even Frankie Montas this year,
the contract he got from the Reds, you know, starts
to get in that range. But the Reds were hoping
he would have a you know, Frankie Montas has kind
of a bigger ceiling than Eflyn that I think for
one year teams aren't freaked out by it. But it's
it's the beauty of the Feti contract that the central

(38:56):
teams are going to be wrestling over that.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Absolutely, I think there is a clear difference between the
two because Vetti is owed ten million less, even though
honestly to me, they're probably like pretty similar pictures, you know,
just in terms of the value they're going.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
To give you.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
So so with that in mind, here's what I would suggest,
you know, if I'm the race, here's what I want
back from the Braves to get this deal done. With
the agreement being essentially that we will not eat any
money on this deal. You know, you're you're on the
hook for the rest of it. Here's who we want.
We want the smaller pieces. Dylan Dodd, who last year

(39:34):
looked like he was going to be part of the
rotation plans for the Braves, he actually broke camp part
of the rotation opening day as their fifth starter after
a great spring training, didn't do well and has only
pitched in Triple A this year and hasn't done particularly well.
So he's a guy whose prospect stock has gone down.
But also like if you're the raise and you're looking
at it, you're like you can work with it, because
you can work with anybody.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
The real piece here is Drew Hacken. This is a
guy with a little bit of the helium that we
talked about earlier, the twenty twenty three second rounder out
of Virginia Tech who is striking out.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Currently.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
He has made four starts in Double A after earning
a promotion from Hya. He's twenty two years old. Yes,
I have that right, twenty two years old. He is
striking out. Let me get this number right, thirty six
percent of the batters he faces at the Double A
level as a twenty two year old. Braves have done
well basically with drafting pitching in general, like they just

(40:32):
you know, they've got Spencer Schwellenbach right now in the rotation,
Like they just have this ability to find pitching towards
the top of the draft, a lot of it out
of college, but some high school arms as well, like
Smith Shauverer is a guy who's become you know, like
definitely part of that. But I think from the race perspective,
like if we're if we're training Aflin, like, we're gonna
want at least a guy who is quasi big league

(40:53):
RERIDI and Dodd, you know, like we can at least
mess around with and see what we've got, and then
we want like a real true like pitching prospect. And
we think for the Braves that is Drew Hackenberg, who
is probably there. He's probably a top five prospect for
them right now, which which is not a great system,
but he's probably a top five prospect in the Braves system.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Drew d r u E.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, does that add to the aura? If you've got
a slightly different spelling of Drew games.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Is my aura guy? You can have them.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I believe he's also I want to say he's quarterback
Christian Hackenberg's brother.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I was gonna say the last name Hackenberg. That's a
pretty you know.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Was he a Jets guy? Did I Do I have
that right?

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I think I think you're right on that. Yeah. I
liked him because I thought he was tough draw at
Penn State. With what they were rolling out there, I think,
I I don't want to say I was wrong on
it late round quarterback. Anyways, how about that? And we've
got Kirk Cousins and Jake Cousins right now, so the
the baseball football arm connection remains strong. What do you

(41:57):
got there?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
He's got a bunch of brothers, Christian Hacket the most famous,
but Brandon Hackenberg was drafted in the MLS draft. Adam
Hackenberg was an MLB draft pick eighteenth round of the
twenty twenty one draft. So they're covering a lot of
sports those Hatburg.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Wait, mom and dad at busy weekend, you kids are
playing everything, soccer, football, baseball. Uh so, Bailey, this is
where I think we there'll be some breaking of the wall.
My initial reaction here is no, right, But I guess
what I haven't felt, and I know there's been some

(42:33):
stats flying around with it, is how bad the Braves
fifth starter has truly been this year? That I guess
I would ask you, like, how how is that truly felt?
Because from from the outside looking in, it's like, oh, yeah,
that stinks, But you still got guys that are throwing
the ball really good. But I do think on a

(42:54):
day to day fandom level, when that fifth starter spot
comes up, it's like, okay, so we're probably not gonna
go on win streak. Today could be a tough one.
We lost yesterday, now we're set up bad for today.
I guess how bad has that truly felt?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
It feels bad.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I think it would feel a little bit better if
we were just a little bit sure in our in
our playoff spot to begin with. Like I don't necessarily
I don't think the Braves are going into this trade
deadline being like we got to chase down the Phillies.
I think there's maybe more of let's get some pieces
and see what happens. But we really needed to secure
the fact that we're gonna be a wild card team
and go to the playoffs, which just the way they've
been playing, even just coming out of the All Star Break,

(43:32):
like that's not totally guaranteed, even though the National League
is definitely weak in that regard. So like my I
guess my thing is like get the Braves in a
short series and put sale uh you know, uh Freed
and Raynaldo Lopez and Morton, you know, on the mound,
and they're not gonna worry about who the fifth starter is,
you know, because like they don't necessarily need that to

(43:53):
to go on a run in the playoffs. But it's
just and but the thing is, there's guys like that,
right like we saw it with We've seen it with
the Philly with Tywe Walker. Like Tywe Walker, he goes there,
he posts, he makes his starts, and then they get
to the playoffs and they said, thanks for the help, buddy,
we appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
We got it from here, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So I think there's elements of that in trading for
for Zach Efflin, even though he's been you know, pretty solid.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, I guess. And that's where the other side of this,
and I think I'm gonna land on a know, is
that I don't think Zach Efflin has the upside that
the Braves as an organization, Rinaldo Lopez, look what they
tapped into there, and look at the price tag on him.
That if I'm bringing in Zach Efflin and uh, you know,

(44:39):
I don't know if this is right or offends you,
but he's kind of is he the a best case
Chad Innings eater, like, you know, the the upside there
with Eflyn And this is a little rude coming off
of last year where he was six in the al
Cy Young which is kind of mind boggling. But if

(45:00):
I'm the Braves, I like to think I have I
know the recipe, whether it's my young pitchers you talked about,
whether it's a Rnaldo Lopez. We just tapped into Chris
Saale again, which you know they more so the points
go to health there, which maybe that's the Braves training staff.
But I'd like to think that one year eighteen for
next year for Eflyn, I think to the Braves isn't

(45:22):
as appealing. It's almost it becomes more of a detriment
because I think I could find the next reliever turn
starter for eleven mil next year and tap into him.
So I think I'm a no.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
All right, Well there were good. I think I think
it's good that we do have a no on the board.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, uh you know, and yeah, I mean Hackenberg seems
like he's pretty good. And you know, like the the
Braves are so eager to call some of these guys
up very quickly from double A and triple anyways, like
who's to say that, you know, they don't feel like
they could call him up in a pinch if needed,
you know, just to there's like with between him and

(46:01):
some of the other guys, it's like yeah, like they
think they can figure out the fifth starter.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Basically, it's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
For for this year and next year. Like, I think
you know what's going on with James Paxton right now.
I know the Dodgers and the Braves probably don't want
to link up, but if I'm like, if I'm the Braves,
I think I could get ten starts to a two
five era with Paxton and not have to be worried
about next year for probably less of a price tag

(46:27):
than ef Flyn. So I think I do my shopping elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Well, And the Dodgers would probably pay Paxton down to
like league minimum salary anyways, and then try to get
a little some someone in return, but that little something
someone probably still be less than Drew Hackenberg and Dylan Dodd.
So right, you know, I hear where you're coming from.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Okay, So we got to know good good for us?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
You want to change jobs or are you good in Atlanta?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I think I'm ready to change jobs.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I've got a good job for you. It's arguably the
only job that's better. Uh, you are the GM of
the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Wow, Wow, free Freedman out.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, free Freeman out. Story reality and yeah are you
story eller? Story aality?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
This is this is a good thing to find out
now I've known you for like four years.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Honestly, Unfortunately the answer is not going to help you out.
I don't really know, Okay. I was told growing up
story Ellie, like that the A should be like an
E sound story L. I don't know. I've kind of
I brought it up at a couple family holiday events,

(47:34):
and I don't really know. I just know you're supposed
to pronounce the E. But again, like that could have
been some wacko two generations ago that like did it
as a joke and now we just say that.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
When I was in school, like elementary school, had a
friend from uh, Georgia, like the Republic of Georgia, the
country who had like a crazy last name within there
are a lot of continents in a row, and I
was just like asking him, like, how do you pronounce
your name? And he just honestly shrug his shoulders be
like I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, I mean that's like we don't know, especially at
a young age.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I think uh Nikolai Skittish Vili from Georgia. We'll circle.
He was an NBA draft. He was one of the
first NBA like foreign draft picks that people just had
no clue. And I think he like went fifth overall
and it it just never clicked for him. But we
can save that for post trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, I thought that was a baseball player. I was like,
you're just dropping names on me. I've never heard before anyways.
You you're the Dodgers. Yes, someone's calling ring ring ring.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Hey, this is not a long distance call. Don't worry
about it. This is the Los Angeles Angels.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I was. I was wondering, I've been thinking about the
Los Angeles Angels recently. Just take the five to the
four or five. What's what's going on over there, Zach Netto.
He just stood for you guys.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, oh thanks man, And you know we're we're excited
about Logan o'happy as well.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I mean we've got we've got you know, things aren't
going great necessarily, but we've got franchise pieces at important
decision positions. It seems like so we're at least excited
about that. Yeah, hell yeah, let me tell you what's
going on. Well, first of all, we watch to bun
Chick and howse show.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Hey, he's great, he's great, he sends he misses it.
He oh, he's always talking about it. But he made
a bet on himself.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So well we you know, we're glad he's talking about
it because it seems like we didn't talk.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
To him at all.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Sure didn't, especially there's all these headlines coming out that
we never actually spoke a word to him.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, directly.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Uh all right.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
So uh, Funnily enough, we have a guy on our
roster who if you can just you know, work your
way through the mental rolodex of trades that never happened
you wanted, you wanted this guy years ago, and.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Now he's doing pretty good.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, and so we just want to if we can
just jog the memory a little bit, like do you
remember what player I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I think we had something in place for Luis frin
hefo that's right. Was that Jack Peterson trade that that
fell out?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
There was it was part of the Mookie bets. The
Mookie Bets was gonna be a.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
You know, a three team trade involving the Angels, and
they were gonna be moving pieces.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
But basically the the Angels.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Were uh gonna get uh and there I think there
were later came out later, like Taylor Ward was maybe
part of this deal as well, going to the Dodgers,
but they were gonna get Andy pa Has, who is
now basically the center fielder for the Dodgers, given to
you know, a rash of injuries and un aer performance
some places. So we're we're not gonna ask for Andy
pa Has, although I did think about it because I

(50:48):
thought I thought it'd be really funny if four years
later they just went ahead and did.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
That run it back. We're now set up for it.
We're fine with this. Yeah, we already kind of agreed, right.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Agree to this in principle.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, let me tell you some things about Luis Ronhiefo,
and let me tell you some things about the Dodgers
as I try to sell you on him. This guy,
this guy, he offers versatility. He could play you some
second base, he could play some third base, he could
play some corner outfield. And what's funny is if you
just look at the Dodgers right now, like where are
the positions where they've struggled a little bit, second base,

(51:22):
third base, little corner outfield. So that is Rngifo is
like a slam dunk fit into the position player core
there because I think they've just you know, like, yes,
you've got Otani and Freeman and Will Smith and Mookie
Betts will be back eventually, but it's like really beyond that,
not too much going on with this lineup, Like it's
not the deepest. And I think uh Ringhifo is potentially

(51:44):
a lineup lengthener because this is a guy who's just
gotten a little bit better every year. So two years
ago he had a one o two oh ps plus
last year at a one to twelve. This year's up
to a one twenty four. And when you combine that
with a guy who can play multiple positions, we think
he has value to the Dodgers organization.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Luis Renhifo, like you said,
there there have been the gradual steps along the way.
It seems like he's landed in a really strong spot.
The versatility. Yeah, I'm interested to see where you go
again with it. I just looked up one thing that
I a little bit of a head till for me.
But but please continue.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Well, what is your head tailt I would like to hear.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
So I was gonna look into Luis Renheifo Mal's lefties.
He's fine verst righties, but first lefties. He is an
elite player. I think he's hitting like three eighty, like
high nine zz ps that I was going to see. Like, Okay, Dodgers,
they are currently known for their lefties in the lineup.

(52:45):
What's it look like? Do they have a struggle? They
have the second best win percentage versus lefties that the
Renhifo righty Maler lane. That could be part of his
up cell. I guess that's currently not applicable.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, I still think it is applicable, but just because
like we're talking about, you know, at the positions he plays,
we're talking about like Jason Hayward, Max Mountcy, Gavin Lux,
you know, can't hurt all lefties. Yeah, but I understand.
I think ta Oscar has helped that. That was definitely
a priority for them, was because he is that guy

(53:24):
is historically a lefty Mallard. Yes, and congratulations to him
on the home run derby as well. So we we
the Angels we're looking at it. We're looking at the
Dodgers system, and again, you know, we've got a weak system.
I think what we need is bulk. Really like, we're

(53:48):
we're not gonna go after your top guys. We're not
coming after Hey give us, give us Dalton Rushing, give
us Kyle Hurt or you know someone like that. We've
got a package of prospects where so I'm just gonna
kind of rattle them off. They're all kind of you know,
ten to twenty range in your system. But there is
some you know, these are some guys that you have

(54:09):
in fact invested a draft capital into. So one of
those is gonna be Kennel George, who was a nineteen
year old outfielder, he was your first rounder last year.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Has looked just okay in pro ball.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I mean he's nineteen playing in a so he's younger
than most of the competition he's facing.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
But Kennell George is a guy who we're gonna want.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
We're also gonna want and this is probably the guy
with the most pedigree right now, because I think he's
actually there's I actually saw him crop up like kind
of honorable mention on a top one hundred prospect list.
You guys have a short stott named Alex Friedland who's
had a big season between High A and Double A.
He's your twenty twenty two third rounder. We want a
guy that you guys actually have in the majors right now.

(54:49):
His name is Justin Rabelski. He's just started making starts
for you. But you have so many starting pitchers anyways,
I don't think you would necessarily miss him. You're probab
gonna have a starter at this deadline anyways, you know, so, uh,
just not from us. And then I've also got our
eyes on. We've got we gotta throwing type guy. His
name is Raynaldo Yean. He's twenty, he's an A and
he throws like one hundred miles per hour and he's

(55:09):
a reliever. What are we thinking here?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Raynaldo Yen is the future of this program that I
can't believe you try to sneak that in on the end.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I know well, and you guys are a blue blood program, Yes.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I mean we uh, hey, you mentioned our pitching depth.
We know what we're doing across town. Maybe take notice,
actually maybe maybe send maybe send Ben Joyce in on
the deal because we could. We could. Actually people are
worried what you guys are gonna do with him. But
enough of that. So I've I've got two things going

(55:48):
on here. I'm and one is I'm feeling a little
lame stream about it because I'm gonna build on it.
Is the Verse lefties thing again, and I I don't
like that whole Hodge podgy like you know, you made
me laugh and perk up when you said let's just
run back the Andy paj Has thing, because that's just fun. No,

(56:11):
we're the Dodgers, though, Yan is gonna be a closer
in this league, you know, Robleski like that guy. He's
got the best wipeout blank in the organization. The other
thing that I'm I think I'm saying no on both sides.
So I'm now joining the Angels front office for a

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little bit. Okay, maybe this is dumb, and please call
me out if you're wrong, because I said it about
the Dodgers, and I understand what you're saying. Like we're
the Dodgers. We want to get better and as good
as possible. Twenty six and ten Verse lefties this year
second best in baseball behind the Guardians. They're thirty four
and thirty one verse righties, which that's just a little shocking.

(56:51):
And again this is a little bit of an old
school stat so there's not much analytics to it. But
here are my analytics. These are teams that are five
hundred or worse against lefty starting pitching, So where Renhifo
could really leave his debt. Obviously, the versatility and he's
slightly above league average against right handed pitching that a

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team could obviously use Louise Renhefo five hundred or worse
against lefty. The Milwaukee Brewers don't think they need them,
but that's fine. The New York Mets, who are currently
in playoff contention. The Pittsburgh Pirates are currently in playoff contention,
and they're infield's kind of good, but whatever. The San

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Diego Padres under five hundred against left handed pitching, The
New York Yankees that can use infield help under five
hundred against left handed pitching, The Houston Astros under five
hundred against left hand pitching. Texas Rangers kind of out
as of now, but they are as well. The Arizona Diamondbacks, again,
don't think they're in the mix unless they wanted to.

(57:55):
Bail On Suarez I met in the Renhitho mix. Sorry, sorry,
fifteen and twenty one verse lefties. My Cincinnati Reds, I
think they've died, but they're thirteen and nineteen verse lefties.
The Boston Red Sox are twelve and eighteen against left
handed starting pitching, and they could use some infield help.

(58:19):
San Francisco Giants are eleven and nineteen. Cubs are bad
as well. If we wanted to pretend they could get
back in the mix. So of that mix, I included
some of the other outliers. But I've got Red Sox.
Let's throw the Diamondbacks in there for now, Astros, Yankees, Padres.

(58:39):
I've got five contenders that, if they're being honest with
their team and their outlook for the rest of this season,
this is a weakness that they need to address that
somehow that I think Angels wise, I think Renhifo is
going to get better offers from other organizations that see

(58:59):
that as a bigger need slash fit for them.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I hadn't really thought about it that way, and it's
just to further help your point a little bit. The
Dodgers have a one twenty four WRC plus versus left
handed pitching this year, which is the best in the majors.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
So that's that's where I guess. And you know this,
this exercise is unique for a lot of reasons. But
I think if there was just an emoji, I think
I go red X And I don't know, I don't
know if it's my side or your side, but I
I just think other teams, like if you're the Boston
Red Sox and you're you're so kind of lefty heavy

(59:42):
right now, got a switch hitter like Renhitho could just
be massive for them. Or I know this is people
will call call me out just because they want to.
But the Yankees man, uh right now running out DJ
and Glaber every day to have that ren he option there.
I I don't watch Luis Renheifel play every day, hand up,

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you know, when it's ten PM, I don't instantly flip
to the Halos game. But what he's now done since
at least the second half of last season is elite
verse lefties and a very good baseball player. Uh that,
I don't know. I think there's gonna be a green
check mark emoji from from one of these other teams

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and not the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Okay, I have one final question for you, as the
GM of the Angels. You know from from one GM
to another. Uh, what if we just scratch all that
and you give us Andy pa has instead? Nah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Nah, honey, I'm good. I always start singing that because
I think of the other who sings that song, Andy something,
Andy Grammer. Uh. That would that would be just a
little tricky because some days he's our five hole hitting
center fielder.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
He's your centerfielders.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yes, so I don't I don't think I can do.
I think that would have to We would have to
have another trade in the chamber lined up for maybe
a Louise Robert. Now that would be some Dodgers, oh
and some dealing. Bring in lou Bob uh send and
send out pahz for Renhefo. Now that's that's where me

(01:01:21):
and Andrew Friedman do our work.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
They're saying, they're saying, James Outman second half resurgence, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
That's the chatter who said that, who's been saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
We've been saying it here at the Angel's HQ all
the time, because we we would like Andy pa Haz,
we'd like to right some wrongs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
How about Calvin Digio holding a roster spot for those.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, that's a guy that would no longer have a
roster spot if this trade were to go through.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, where where's Miguel Vargas at? That feels like yan,
yeah get him, well, hey, get him in the Louis
Robert trade. And I think that's something that would excite
me as a White Sox fan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
I think I just saw that he was like d
f a today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
But like, man, do you ever think about Edwin Rios
because I think about him like all the time, Like
there was just a run there where it just seems
like he was like the next great power hitter. Like
he had like his home runs per bat at the
big league level were insane. It was small sample, but
they were insane.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
There's something to play in baseball pretty and his his
swing when he ran into a home run was very
pretty enough. Edwin Rios.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Where Edwin Rios talks for today?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Where? Uh? Where's my next gig?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Your next gig? I see where we're We're we're running
a little long here. Second look at the time. Yeah,
well we'll get a little tighter here. Your next gig
is with the Houston Astros.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yes, yes, I'm Reggie Jackson here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I am yep, and then ring ring ring, Hello, pick
up the phone. Hello, it's me the Detroit Tigers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Yeah. Uh oh. Are you guys ready to do what
I hope you're ready to do?

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Well, we I will point out we have done this before.
We have we have traded out to an arm before
and it worked out really well for you guys, and
it didn't work out well for us whatsoever. So we've
been talking up here in the front office, and what
we've decided is we're just not gonna let you trick us,
because last time that happened, I think you tricked it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Oh you guys, let's run it back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Let's run it back. I assume you know who we're
talking about. We're talking about mister jack Flaherty.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Okay, I was. I was interested to see if you
were gonna drop a schooble on me at first.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
But Jack, we we love school.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Well, we can't, I mean apparently apparently we won't trade
him for anything less than Jackson Holiday. And I've looked
at your system and you don't have anything close.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
To that, sure don't. But Joey Low Perfido can go
and get it. So I don't. Let's not let's not
close the door on Schooble. But sure we like what
Jack Flaherty's done this year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
So so Jack Flaherty, who's having it Just a man,
what a great year Jack Flarerty is having.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
It's been unbelievable. The way he has pitched this year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Like, I'll pup the numbers here real quick, Like he
has a three to one three ERA, he has a
three to one six FIP. He's pitching, you know, fairly
deep into games. He's gone over one hundred innings and
seventeen starts. He's striking out thirty two percent of the
Battersy's face while only walking four percent of them, which
is I mean, that's one of the best ratios in
the league period.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
It's it's unbelievable. The turnaround.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
And what happens is I go back and I think
about last year's trade deadline, and I look at the
Giolito trade, and Gildo had probably more of a recent
track record of success because Flarity had, you know, had
a few rough years there in the middle. But basically
the commonality they had besides like they went to the
same high school is that they were the best rental

(01:04:53):
arms available, which is to say, you're trading for two
months of this guy, right, and then they're gonna test
free agency and most likely probably signed somewhere else. Uh,
to be honest with you, And the return for the
gi Alito deal was just massive, massive, dude. Like, I
know the Angels were desperate, but I mean, uh, Edgar
Carroll's like a you know, was like a top one

(01:05:13):
hundred prospect, like offensive catcher Kai Bush. When the Angels
did that draft in uh, I want to say twenty
twenty one where.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
They did do you remember this to all pictures?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, that was like the best one they got, so
and then they traded him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
It's funny god, and it's uh for for the baseball people.
Caro just got called up to triple A. And it
looks like kay Busch also just got called up to
triple A. Both of them did really well at doubles.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Yeah yeah, nice, nice, nice job.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Why it sucks? Way to go you're killing it, Chris gets.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I mean Edgar Carroll, he's a catcher, he has a
he has a career like four hundred on base percentage
of the miners, you know, and he's been young at
every level he's played at, so there's something there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
It's a good way to also become not a catcher.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
If he'd like, yeah, he's so, that may very well
be what he is is not a catcher. But again,
if you can get on base forty percent of the time,
no one cares what position you play. Sure, I'm gonna
pull up the Astros top prospects because I think I've
just talked myself up into talking myself into upping the price. Originally,
I'll tell you who I definitely want. We want Bryce Matthews,

(01:06:20):
who's a shortstop prospect. He is twenty two years old.
He was their first rounder last year out of Nebraska
and has performed well this year. He did well at
High A that arn him of promotion to Double A,
where he continues to hold his own. Another guy we
want this guy who's I believe is currently on the
MLB roster right now, and that is Jake Bloss, who

(01:06:43):
is a and I hope that's how you say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
His last name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Rhymes with Moss or floss. Jake Bloss is in the
majors right now. He's a guy who has experienced some helium.
I suppose as well. He was a twenty twenty three
third round or so same draft and just absolutely crushed
you know, pro ball and very quickly earn himself a
call up to the majors, you know, basically a year
after he was drafted, and he's made two starts for

(01:07:08):
them so far. So so normally I was gonna say,
we'll start with that for for Jack Flaherty, you know,
for two months of him, I think I'm gonna want
a throw in here, And I'd be curious to hear
just from your perspective, Houston Astros, is there anyone you
would consider throwing in on him? You know, you mentioned
little Perffito earlier, but I'd be interesting to see if
there's any other names that could maybe help move the

(01:07:30):
needle for us, because just looking at the looking at
the Caro plus Kai Busch, like, we understand we're probably
not gonna get that was a pretty unique situation, but
we'd like somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I mean, yeah, that's where in the southern Southern twang
kicking in again. You know, we we're the Houston Astros.
Please do not compare us to the Los Angeles Angels
of Anaheim. We we do not conduct business the same way.
Here's what I'll say before I tell you, I'm gonna

(01:08:04):
what other name I'm gonna throw in, I'm gonna tell
you no, thank you, Detroit. We sure has our starting
pitching been a little thin this year? Yes, Hunter Brown
has turned the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, he's been really good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Back to Justin Verlander two point zero, Ronel Blanco. We're
gonna We're gonna ride him as long as we can
because he's been great. Thirty years old. Kind of wasn't.
I think his story was he was working as a
car wash and they they took a chance on him,
and now he's he's been an amazing pitcher.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
The story is he was working as a waitress in
a cocktail bar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I got to reread that. I think that was an
athletic article. Frambers, Framber, he's the best spencer. Araghetti has
slightly turned it around a little bit. Uh after some
tough times, and like you mentioned, we called up Jake Bloss.
We're hoping to get Justin Verlander back at some point,

(01:09:09):
and I think we will.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I don't you know Jake Bloss. Some places have him
as our number two prospect. We really like what he's
developing into that. For the Jack Flerity rental, it becomes
the Tanner Scott game. We played a little bit. We're
talking what eight starts plus postseason, which as good as

(01:09:35):
Jack Flarity has been and in an obnoxious way out
of phone call mode, someone who I'm lucky enough to
say is like a friendly guy, A couple All Star
weekend texts. Whatever. The Cole Tucker Vanessa Hudgens affair. Everyone's
still talking about he's been nasty this year. That Yes,

(01:09:57):
I could see Houston going that way. Our owner did
come out. Who you know? I love mister Crane. Is
it Jim Crane? Still?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
They is he out from that whole thing? Damn Brown? Right,
he's the guy, He's who's calling the shots. Yeah. We
we're investing for the future. And that first round pick
Bryce Matthews, who you reference, Houston kidd. We we've got

(01:10:28):
him in the pipeline. He's next. Uh Jake bloss I.
I have him penciled into our rotation for the next
five years. That uh, that price tag for Jack Flaherty
I again that that was an angel's payment. We're we're
not about that life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah, we we think Jake bloss is probably equivalent to
Kay Busch, maybe a little better. But we don't think
I mean Bryce Matthews. I guess he's the first rounder,
but he's not Caro. But again, you know you've made
yourself clear, you're you guys are not the Angels.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
We are not. Yeah, And I just I think we
still have our we have our playoff innings from the
starters that we're gonna find like I think Framber, I
think Ronell, I think Hunter Brown and hopefully Verlander.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
If if you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Think Ronell and Hunter Brown are gonna, you know, get
you those playoff wins.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I think so. Uh. And I you know, if I
was being really rude about someone, I just complimented Jack Flaherty. Uh.
You know. I know it's a different season, but last
year when the playoffs came around for the Orioles, he
wasn't wasn't a part of their decision making. So I
realize he's a different pitcher this year than last year.

(01:11:53):
But I I don't know, I think I would I
would be scouring the market for a slightly. I think
they're starting pitchers to be had in this market, and
I guess this is what I going back to uh
the Atlanta Braves for where that price tag is at currently,
I would love to see where Kakuchi's price tag is at.

(01:12:15):
I would love to see a couple of the other
starting pitchers. So maybe this will be my first circle
like instead of green check marker red X. I think
what you provided is fair, but I think I would
look for a couple more. I think I would really
flush out the other pitching offers with that on the table.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
So you're gonna give it, You're gonna give it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Maybe it's a def if nothing else comes because the
other side of this, we are the Houston Astros, we
go to the NCS, we win World Series that, yeah,
we need another starting pitcher that if push came to
shove and that's the final offer out there, I do
think we would probably go through with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yeah, And you know we could we could toss in
someone in there, like you know, Gibson Long has been hurt,
but maybe that's someone in the long term you'd be
interested in. Uh, you know, we could we could maybe
work out the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Details honestly, what what deal happened, well, would put it
over the top. And maybe this is where you're throwing
third body I do think we could use a bullpen arm.
So I don't know if that's Tyler Holtland, I don't
know if that's Chafe, And I don't know if that's
fully the Show fully the Shelby Miller third breakout. Yeah,
but yeah, I think Flaherty and a bullpen arm, I

(01:13:31):
think things get a lot more real. So yeah, all right, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Gonna leave the iron in the fire on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yes, Yes, we'll circle back in the next week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Okay, Well, you're gonna be accused of some sort of
like insider trading deal right now because you know, as
the Astros are trying to build up to compete with
the Mariners, you, Jake, have become the GM of the
Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Well, I mean there's already rumors about this ever since
that Kendall Graveman trade. So I'm I'm glad it's I'm
glad it's out in the open now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, you're you're playing both sides so that you always
come out on top.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
That's how I win.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Yes, Ring ring ring, ring, ring.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yes, Hey, this call is coming from within the division.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
We are the Oakland Athletics.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Okay, love, love the Oakland Athletics. You guys are a
year and a half away. I I feel it, but
it's it's our time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Said well, first of all, if we were a year
and a half away, I don't think we were. We
are going to make you this offer, so we may
hold you to that. But we're the Oakland Athletics. Everyone
kind of wants us to trade Mason Miller, which is
really weird because we have them for like six more
years or five more years. So I don't think we're
gonna do that, to be honest with you, just there's
no need.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Fine someone.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
We've got bullpen. We tap into guys all the time.
Taylor saw Seito. Yeah, we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I don't know if Gabe Spier is still there, but
I'm i'm gonna say he is. Yes, he may be
on the Red Sox now I might have forgotten that.
But with Brent Rooker, who is which is who we're
talking about here. My reason for Seattle to trade for
Brent Rooker is very simple. They come from a philosophy
of we don't have any bats and we hate spending money. Yes,

(01:15:19):
and Brent Rooker is he's cheap now, and then he's
got three ar years after that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
And here's my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Like I'm gonna be very clear here because I don't
want to be insulting to Oakland A's fans whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Or Brent Rooker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
People are really underestimating the trade value of Brent Rooker
right now. They're underestimating it because they're looking at Louise
Robert right for example, who would be the other sort
of like big bat controllable three years, you know, plus
control after this year moved.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Like Louise Robert.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
He's got his team friendly deal that he's moving towards
the back end of. And those three years for him
are going to cost fifty five million, which is not nothing.
It's still cheap for someone of his caliber, but it's
not nothing Brent Rooker. It's three arbiers Like he's he's
not gonna command that much money, you know, in those
three across those three r peers. Even if he comes,

(01:16:09):
if he were to come even close, it'd be because
he was awesome, Yeah, because he was incredible, So Brit
Rooker like and also Brent Rooker has like a one
to sixty eight WRC plus he's like a top five
hitter in the league this year on a rate basis,
Like if you look at the leaderboard, it's he's between
like Gunner and Bryce Harper, Like it's ridiculous. So I
will say the the price tag on a Rooker deal

(01:16:34):
is like way higher than people think think. People think
it's like trading for people think people think it's like
what the Braves did at the twenty one deadline, where
it's like, ah, here's like a slightly unwanted Jock Peterson
and Eddie Rozari like no, this is this is the
best pure hitter available potentially, and it's three years of
control for him and he's like yes. So I'm gonna

(01:16:54):
preface that by saying, like we're the Oakland A's, we're
kicking around the idea of trading Brent Rooker, but it's
gonna take a lot, so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
We just want to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
But I mean, first of all, you guys don't have
any bats, So what are your perspective on Brent Rooker.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I I this is baseball analysis, Jake, not front office Jake.
Brent Rooker. The offensive stats are unreal. I can't believe
where his ops is at nine to thirty nine this season.
And yeah, again we talked. You talked about post hype

(01:17:26):
guys before like Brent Rooker was a prospect. Yes, I
do think the only thing I would counter back at
you for how valuable Brent Rooker is is that if
you see, if you've seen a player be a bit
of a pumpkin before, that's just out there. It's out
there forever. That And with Brent Rooker turning thirty in

(01:17:53):
November one, I do think there's as much as you
would be up selling the how valuable this guy? And
you have the years of control not a free agent
till twenty twenty eight, between the defensive question marks slash
you know, where would you put him? And I think

(01:18:15):
just douchey baseball guy, which, okay, now I am just
being myself. You're playing games that don't fully matter that
hey maybe that's my New York obnoxious is showing and
I see you rolling your eyes. But to expect this
out of Brent Rooker a team, I think Brent Rooker

(01:18:38):
gets traded because I think a team is seeing the
value that you're talking about, and I think Oakland is
gonna who knows what Oakland's gonna ask for, Like they
don't want your ready prospect, right, So, like I think
the Brent Rooker value equation is going to make sense
for a team, And I do think you're in the
right ball. Again, this is me not representing the Mariners currently.

(01:19:00):
One of the teams. The team I really like for
him is the Pittsburgh Pirates. I think they have now
hit their timeline. You already have some other hitters around
him that you're banking on that are a little more
established that It's like bat Brent Rooker forth and now
we have a top half of the lineup. But yes,

(01:19:21):
I think a team is going to capitalize on Brett
Rooker for everything you said. I just I don't see
the value getting to Looney Tune Land because I think
teams would be willing to walk away for defensive reasons
and age reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, that's definitely a possibility there. And also, like you know,
you like you don't love to trade for a guy
who strikes out thirty right person of the time when
he's about to turn thirty. Anyways, you know, like that's
not generally a favorite thing for gms to do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Well did That's where I will now put my Mariners
hat back on. I'm I'm nervous for what you're going
to ask for, uh, because We've been living in fear
of strikeouts for two years now. We are off season.
Was to address our strikeout problems. It's gotten worse, and

(01:20:17):
we unfortunately have a track record of hitters coming here
and having a bad time that if we empty the
wagon for Brent Rooker and that hurts us God like,
the Mariners will become a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, well, I will say, and I'll say this in
Brent Rooker's defense, like he hits in Oakland. That's a
really hard ballpark to hit in. And that's I think
a lot of the fears of the Mariners fans is
is the ballpark itself seems to really suppress offense, especially
these last few years, and so they've seen guys come up.
Ta Oskar is a good example, right, tay Oscar Is
one year it went great, he goes over the Dodgers,
all of a sudden he's great against you know, and

(01:20:54):
that they don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Want to avoid that, you know. Yes, here's what I'm
to ask for.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
So here's the way I view by the way, the
Mariners in general, they have poker chips basically, and or
I guess you know what, I'm I'm gonna change up
the analogy a little bit. They have cards in their
hands and they can eventually, at some point whenever they
want to, they can play the Emerson Hancock or Brian
Wu card. They have six big league starters and only
five spots in the rotation basically, and Hancock filled in

(01:21:23):
for Wu, and then Wu came back, and Wu's had
weird injury stuff. But I think it would be I
think it would be. I think Mariners fans actually kind
of like the idea of trading Wu. But I think
it's just who's gonna want to trade for Wu because
he's had such a weird year. Like every every six days,
Brian Wu goes out there, he throws five scoreless innings
and he says, ah, my arm hurts, and then he's
addicted to MRIs. He's had like ten MRIs this year.

(01:21:44):
And then they're like he's fine, and then he goes
and he does it again. I think he's got like
radioactive superpower. So he's been in that tube like half
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
That's wild because most players hate the tube, but not
Brian Wu.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
He he loves the tube. I think maybe he finds
it a place for like quite contum play.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah, we'll lock in Little Zen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
So anyways, Uh, we think Hancock is is the better
fit in that regard because it you know, and and
I will say, despite the draft pedigree and the prospect pedigree,
like I don't think he's amazing, you know, like he's
and again the small sample he's made twelve starts at
the ERA and FIP or around five at the big

(01:22:25):
league level. He's performed well in the minors, but I'm
not sure if he's someone I expect to live off
the you know, up to the being he was the
sixth overall draft pick in the twenty twenty draft, so
he had the pedigree out of Uga.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
So we want you know, we.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Think Hancock's probably more like high high floor, lower upside,
so we're gonna want some upside in there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
And the upside for us is very clear.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
We want Lazara Montes, who is getting sort of baby
yord on comparisons in the miners. Lazara Montes Cuban, he's eighteen,
Is he in the Complex League or as he made
it up to a let me check on him, Lazaro Montes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Can I while you look up Lazara Montes, Uh huh,
how do you keep your tabs on prospects, Like, I
know I've played out of the park base, but you know,
some people listening this are probably loud and like lazarro Montes,
really dude, So what I guess what's your what's your
elevator speech on how you keep tabs on prospects?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
I would say Fangrafts has really good minor league leaerboards
and you can filter them. So for example, like or
let you know, let's say you just go look up, oh,
who are the best us in Triple A this year?
We're gonna get a bunch of twenty eight year olds,
you know, who are like Quad A guys, And look,
sometimes those guys come like, oh, here's a good example.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Cleveland have this guy right now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
I want to say Daniel Schneeban, who was like this,
Like he was like a twenty six twenty seven year
old raki and Triple A they call him up and
he's good in the majors too, you know, like he's
he's contributing. So there's elements of that. But like you
can be like, who are the best hitters in double
less than twenty four years old? You know, And that's
kind of how I do it. Okay, Yeah, it's also
good to like try to realize where these guys are coming,

(01:24:09):
especially these like young international guys, Like where are they
coming from? Like what was the bonus that the team
offered to sign them, et cetera, Like what's the excitement
about them? Yeah, Lazara montes I got his fact a
little bit wrong. He's nineteen now out of Cuba and
he's playing currently in Hia. He already promotion from A
to high A because he just destroyed a thirteen home
runs in the sixty five games, nine thirty eight ops

(01:24:32):
and then in Hia he hasn't been doing that. But
like he's he's nineteen, he's facing competition that on averages
three and a half years older than him, and he's
gotten comparisons to yord On, not just because he's like
a bat first, like lefty, you know, big Cuban, but
because he, like someone told me, he like works with
the same swing like hitting coach in Cuba that Yordon did.
So it's like he's very clearly, you know, like going

(01:24:53):
down that path, and the fear with him would actually,
funnily enough, be similar to the fear with Rooker, which
is there is gonna be some swing and miss, and
also he's probably not really going to play a position
all that well, but he's a long way out and
I think just for the Oakland A's for trade to
make sense for them, like they get a combination of
that that big league ready arm who's castille young and

(01:25:15):
has many years of control left, and then they get,
you know, the upside power bet that they can really
dream about building a lineup around in the future, because
that is what this guy really is. He is a
very special talent offensively, and the only reason he's not
way high on prospect list is because he doesn't really
have the tools, it seems to play a position all
that competently.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Bailey, this is tough for me cause you mentioned I'll
going full circle on everything now. You just talked about
the Triple A guys who kill it at an older age,
and here's Brent Rooker, who in twenty twenty two was
twenty seven in Triple A absolutely malling, and then he
gets his follow up opportunity with Oakland, and uh, he's

(01:26:03):
been incredible, man, and I it it. I do feel
bad that I half knocked his numbers for Oakland because
I'm also a little bit of a lineup protection guy
still and Oakland is a tough place to hit that
what Brent Ruoker, Brent Rooker has done has been incredible.
I just as the Seattle Mariners. And dude, maybe this

(01:26:24):
is lame. I can't cash in my chips on Brent Rooker.
I'm sorry. I if let's say the hitting does go
h to a degree whatever that means, uh, defensively, again,
I don't know where or when or what value I'll
be getting there. And you know, calling anyone baby, you're done,

(01:26:48):
just the chance of we talked about the GM fear
if that's an early scouting report on this guy. And
again maybe maybe I'm This is why I'm not in
a front office and why none of us are, is
that maybe I'm getting named by myself because if Brent
Rooker's name wasn't Brent Rooker and I just looked at
the stat page, maybe I would be thinking differently. But
I if I'm the Seattle Mariners, I've been waiting. Like

(01:27:13):
you said, I've got I've had these cards for a
while now, and it's like to fruition. We've got a
whole staff here, We've got a bonus piece that if
I'm cashing in my chips. It maybe it's lame name
value stuff, but it's gotta be it's gotta be something
that's just more of a lock than Brent Rooker.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I think the problem is like if, like, if they're
going to cash in the chip, it's gonna either it's
to get like that name brand player that you talk about.
It's it's gonna be either a player with less control
than Brent Rooker, right, or earning more money. And that
to me, just looking at the Mariners, how they conduct
business is not necessarily the Mariner's way, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yeah, I guess that's where I'm if I was the
Mariners and I was coming off this call, I mean yeah,
Like I I guess another team that just jumped in
my head that I think would be willing to risk
risk a little more would be like San Diego, like
because I could be getting at him, right, but I

(01:28:22):
could be getting that Brent Rooker that you're talking about
the value for the next four years and he can
maul where he does have a There's a lot more
going on with our team that I don't know. Man,
it just it lines up to be a little lol.
Mariners if we put our chips on the table for

(01:28:43):
Brent Rooker and it doesn't click that I don't think
I can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Well, there you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Brent Rooker is going to stay in Oaklea, A unless
you know, we get a we get another offer, which
we very well made from.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
I've heard Phillies out on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Him, which I think makes sense because I don't defensively
the fit doesn't make but pirate. It's I like the
Pirates that you've been talking up, and they have they
have a prospect pool they can pull from to make
this deal happen.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
That's where I for Brent Rooker. Boston, Pittsburgh, Uh, San Diego.
I even think Cleveland would be a sneaky one. Uh.
Just you know, at some point Brent Rooker should start
getting paid that he might be like Saint Louis. I
don't know, like could wouldn't that be the Saint Louis

(01:29:28):
Cardinals we used to respect as the smart baseball organization, Like, yeah,
they traded for Brent Rooker and he yeah five years
where he was the next Alan Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Yeah, well that's and also like it's a very cardinalsy
thing to like trade for a guy who's really good
that Like when it seems like it's like, oh, that
guy was available to trade for right, like when they
got gold Schmidt and Arnatto was like, oh, why didn't
Why didn't we just do that? Why didn't my favorite
team just do that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
You know, the Rockies paid them? Yeah? What a world, Bailey,
what a world? If I if I was keeping track,
was that six?

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
That was six? And luckily we made it through the
trade deadline.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Luckily we kept it to a tidy hour and a half. Yes,
and that's just the excitement of baseball, baby, because it's here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
I guess I just sorry. I just got a notification
on my phone. All of these players have been traded
to different teams than we just discussed completely that was
already outdated.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Was that was that Shams that just had all six trades?

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Shams had them. He actually there was so much details
he had to link a spreadsheet.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Shams google doc. Bailey, thank you for that. As as
I stated that as a baseball fans paradise for an
hour and a half, there's a couple significant others that
have made it this far that I we apologize and
sorry that your loved ones enjoy this but it's what
we like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
And I Saytaly, say, enjoy your weekend road trip to
oh Maha or Kansas City or wherever you may be going.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
But it's a long drive.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
It's there's some beautiful spots in Dover, Delaware that you
can just have a weekend. Bailey, Thank you so much.
We we like have to wrap this up at this point.
Any any Bailey teasers, any foolish things we should be looking.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
At, I mean coming, I mean coming soon to your
subscription inbox on foolish baseball, but I can't, I can't
talk about what it is. But believe it or not,
for the first time, I will be focusing on a
minutia of baseball. So oh yeah, I know. Wow, really
trying something new here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Got Gottam throwing the off speed. Yeah, Bailey, thank you
so much, and I think we'll wrap it up.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
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