July 26, 2024 • 42 mins
Dan talks about the newly released Pete Rose documentary and waxes nostalgic about Pete’s life and influence on baseball. And Team USA Managing Director and Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame member, Grant Hill stops by to talk about the Olympic squad.
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are as well. Had a no hitter yesterday afternoon. Padres
Dylan Ceaes with a no hitter against the Nationals. I
was listening to it on the radio, which is interesting
because normally you're able to find a game on TV,
and maybe it was on TV, but I was driving
and all of a sudden, I got a heads up
that got a no no, and I picked it up
in the ninth inning, and it was pretty cool listening
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because you know, I grew up listening to baseball on
the radio, and I was very fortunate in Cincinnati that
we had Marty Brenneman and Joe Knuxall. Marty Brennan a
Hall of Famer. We had Al Michaels who came in
for three seasons back in the early seventies.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
He was there.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Pete Rose was there. There's a documentary out now on
Pete Rose. It's a four part series. I've watched the
first two. People are curious, or at least some friends are,
what I think of this. I am from the Cincinnati area,
spent a lot of time on the Pete Rose story.
When I first got to ESPN, I was co anchoring
with Bob Lee on Sports Center, and we did I think,
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some work that rivaled anybody else who was covering the
Pete Rose story. But I had sources. Nobody else who
was covering this story had actually placed a bet with
Pete's bookie, but I did. And also a lot of
times bookies, if they get a lot of action on something,
they'll offload that, you know, with another bookie. And that
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other bookie was who I placed all my bets with.
So I was aware of Pete betting on sports. I
was never told that he bet on baseball as a player,
but I knew that he was betting on all kinds
of sports and not doing well betting on all kinds
of sports. So I've watched it and there's nothing new
in there. I mean, it's it's sad, it really is
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because Pete what made him great is what has kept
him out of the Hall of Fame. There's no contrition,
you know, he talks about Hey, now, after all this time,
I mean, haven't I paid my punishment? Yes, we know this.
We've talked about this the career. He's a Hall of Famer,
but you signed something, and you know now you want
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to put him in the Hall of Fame. Put him
in the Hall of Fame. As I've said before, you
want to put Bonds or Clemens, and you want to
put an asterisk by this. You want to tell the
story of baseball, tell the story of baseball in a museum.
I'm okay with that. Pete has gained more attention, made
more money by not being in the Hall of Fame.
If Pete went into the Hall of Fame twenty years ago,
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no one would clamor for his autograph the way they
do now, because Pete'll signed something and he'll put whatever
you want him on, you know, to on a baseball.
But he has benefited by not being in the Hall
of Fame. Now he does want it both ways that
he'll go up Cooperstown, others are going into the Hall
of Fame. He'll set up an autograph show. But he
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wants his kids, grandkids to be able to go to
the Hall of Fame, you know when he's gone and
go in there and say, oh, you know, there's my grandfather.
He's a Hall of Famer and Pete is. But you know,
I'm watching the documentary, it's just that's who Pete is.
He kind of stuck in the mid or early seventies,
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like his personality, late sixties, early seventies. That's just who
he is. And you know he's approaching an age where
you're not going to be around that much longer. But
the documentary so far, the first two episodes, didn't tell
me much. And keep in mind, I did a couple
of interviews with Pete for SportsCenter. I also had Pete
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on my radio show when for the first time, he
admitted that he bet every single time for the Reds
to win. He had never said that, but he lied
for so many years. Hey, I never bet, never bet.
And then what did he do? He wrote a book.
He made money because then he admitted that he bet
on baseball. But you know, we watch athletes sometimes and
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we love how they play, and then being in this business,
then you find out the person behind the athlete when
they're off the field, and it's like Lawrence Taylor, unbelievable.
Do I want to hang around with him?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But on the field, and that's why you can get
too close. Pete Rose was unbelievable. Everybody wanted to wear
number fourteen, have their haircut like Pete's slide head first,
but then you meet the person and then all of
a sudden, you realize, I'm going to stay as far
away as I can from the person. But the player,
he was unbelievable. So just watching the documentary and you
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can't argue with his impact on the game. I mean,
he was unique. I don't know if we've ever had
an MVP and maybe you know, one of you guys
can look at this. He won the MVP one year
and he hit five home runs. I don't know if
we've ever had an MVP an everyday player hit less
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than five home runs. I mean, maybe we have, but
that's that's pretty amazing that the impact that he had
on a game, and he was a singles hitter. I
think Johnny Bench may have hit forty home runs that
year his teammate, but Pete hit five and was the
MV Pig. That might have been nineteen seventy two or
three where he's the mvpig, but he was a big deal.
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Still in the news with the documentary. But look, he'll
go to his grave being Pete Rose. That's what made
him great. But he could never say, I'm sorry, how
do I give back to baseball? And he could be
in the Hall of Fame. I truly believe that. And
I've had private conversations with former Commissioner Bud Seely, and
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I mean they'll stay private, but you know, I found
out a lot more about Pete Rose, and I think
when Pete dies there will be more information that comes
out about Pete Rose. But you know, you see him
and he blames everybody but himself. I mean he's the reason.
And yes, yet now it sounds hypocritical, baseball in bed
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with gambling, and I understand that. But Pete was in
a position to manipulate a game. Hey, I'm bet on
my team to win. Well, you might be putting somebody
out there who shouldn't be out there. For the third
consecutive time or there were certain pitchers that I was
told that he didn't bet on the Reds to win.
But you know, it's complicated and it's sad. But I
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have watched the first couple of episodes, so watching baseball,
listening to baseball in the radio, and then kind of
juxtapose that with, oh, that's right, I grew up listening
to the Reds with Pete Rose playing and having that
unfold yesterday and then watching the second part of the
documentary a little bit later on yesterday. Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
See besides Pete Rose, Maury Wills of the Dodgers in
nineteen sixty two hit six home runs.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So Maury hit six, Pete hit five, okay, And Maury
Wills was a shortstop. And then he set the single
season record I think for stolen bases for the Dodgers
that year. But yeah, Pete with five. But Pete was
a he was a force. He was the fight with
Bud Harrelson and the Mets when he slid into second base,
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and look, Pete was in fault with that. You know.
He came in hard, you know, to knock Bud Harrelson down.
And Buddy was not a big guy. Buddy called him something,
and then Pete made it seem like, oh, well he
started because he called me something. No, Pete started it
because it was a over the top hard slide there
to take him out. And this was, you know, in
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the postseason that they were playing. But you know, look,
whatever your opinion is with Pete good, I don't want
the show to be dominated with that because it has
been before. It's just I've seen the two episodes. I
wasn't involved in the documentary, although I don't think there's
any other journalist out there who had more interaction with
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Pete with this with his bookie, and when Pete came
on the radio show at ESPN and said that he
bet every single time for the Reds to win. So
let's see pull question today. What are we gonna go
with Seaton no counter? It's kind of crazy how many
like lives that story has Yeah, with Pete, with Pete, Yeah,
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I mean it keeps it. It's the same story, but
it's carried on for decades and every ten years or
so something new will happen with it. I mean, this
time it's a documentary, but all of a sudden years
later it's well, he bet every single game or he
bet every game to win, or he bet whatever. There's
always a new thing. Why do you think that this
Pete Rose story still is so intriguing? Or has this
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the legs it has? I think he's a sympathetic figure
to people because he was so great. How's he not
in the Hall of Fame and all? You know he
bet on baseball? Well when he was a manager, that's true.
Now do I believe he bet on baseball as a player?
I do, I do. I can take you back nineteen
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eighty six playoffs. Was at Mets Astros and I was
there at Shay Stadium and Pete was working. I remember
him coming to me. I was with Bob Costas and
we were on the dugout steps and he said, who
do you fellas like today? Well, that's what you get.
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That's gambling terminology. Friends will say that to me, like, hey,
who do you like? And I'll go, no, I'm we're
not betting on. Well, Pete was saying that to Bob
and myself at Shay Stadium and might have been Mike
Scott pitching, so he said, obviously the Astros with Mike
Scott on the mound. But do I think he was
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betting as a baseball player, I do. I do because
you're not good at other you know, he wasn't good gambling.
Then you want to do what you're really good at
or you have information on, and that is baseball. He
was there, he could control lineup or if he's playing
in a game like So there's a lot of different
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tentacles with this. But I do think it's sad because
whenever it used to be, people would say, oh, you're
from Cincinnati. Should Pete Roseby in the Hall of Fame?
That always came up. That'd be like the first thing
it had to do with Pete rose And it felt
like more people on the outside were interested in how Cincinnati,
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you know, looks at Pete rose I told Pete to
his face that he embarrassed the city of Cincinnati. I
did a Sunday conversation with him and I said, you
embarrassed Cincinnati and he just you know, he never wrapped
his arms around it. You know, he was a force man.
What made him great. It's just like Bonds, what made
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him great? Clemens? What makes them great? Lance Armstrong? What
makes them great? They can never say I'm sorry, and
that usually prevents them from being able to move on
or you know, for people to be able to celebrate them.
We should celebrate Lance Armstrong for staying alive testicular cancer
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just to get on the bike and be in the
Tour de France. And then he became Lance. He's going
to take out everybody in his way. Never apologize, Clemens Bonds,
never apologize, keep moving forward. That's Pete.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, Marv, does this story have legs? If he makes
the Hall of Fame before he gets caught gambling.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, there'd be the big argument of can you take
him out. There's a lot of people who've spent a
lot of time on Pete Rose, just letting you know
behind the scenes that and look, I've tried to crack
the code. But then I got to the point where
I go, I don't care anymore. I loved watching him play.
I was so fortunate to watch Pete play the big
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Red machine. And then I just got to the point
that why was I caring? And it didn't feel like
he was caring to solve. If he says to Bartiamatti,
the commissioner, how do I get back to the game,
And I remember saying this to Bud seely, if Pete
said to you let me go and spend an entire
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year in the minor leagues talking to players about gambling,
and he'd say, well, that would have helped. I think
baseball wanted to forgive him. Pete never ever showed any
contrition where they would have. And maybe there's something that
comes out in the other two episodes with Pete, but yeah,
just watching him. He was talking to Marty Brenneman. And
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that's sad, really is because sometimes the reality hits you.
You know, we live in a fantasy world. You know that, Hey,
I'm watching baseball and this is awesome, and you know,
these great teams, and all of a sudden the reality
hit you of he was gambling on baseball. Oh he
did steroids? Oh he was. I mean that's the reality.
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Sometimes that's the cold, you know, bucket of water that
we get and Pete, look, he brings out a lot
of emotions with me because I was there, you know,
listen on the radio going to games. Stutograph I ever
got Pete Rose. First game I went to, saw Pete Rose,
and then I see him now trouble walking, still signing autographs.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, Mark, for you personally, would he have been on
the level of a Jerry West or Johnny Bench had
all this gamble stuff had not come out.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
No, it was different Like I. He played in a
way that like Jerry played with elegance, grace. He was
a different style. Pete was like I'm coming through the
front door.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I love that. But I was more of a Johnny
Bench Tony Perez fan like I for some reason, just
like Pete was great. But I like those two more
sort of their style, their grace, how they played. Let
me take a break here. We're getting a little long
winded here. Grant Hill's going to join us from Paris,
Team USA basketball managing director. A lot of things to
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talk to him about. Our good buddy Ross Tucker will
stop by. Phone calls are always welcome. On this Friday,
we get to those. But up next we'll talk Olympic
basketball with Grand Hill. Dan Patrick's show right after this.
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The first hour seating doing the honors there. Phone calls
always welcome, waiting for Grant Hill to join us. Grant
is the Team USA managing director, and he put the
roster together the Olympic team. They play Serbia Sunday, then
they got South Sudan and then they got Puerto Rico.
So we'll talk to him about trying to be the
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architect of a team and how much pressure does he
feel in how he filled out this roster. A couple
of phone calls in here. Eric in North Carolina, Good morning, Eric,
what's on your mind today?
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Hello?
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Speaker 3 (18:41):
Y'all need to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
But listen, So here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
We just got through with two baseball teams cheating another
baseball team and winning a World Series. They're going to
stay in the books. It's going to be listed. Those
players are still eligible to make the Hall of Fame,
that they can make something out.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
Of their careers.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
We've got the steroid era. We've got guys hitting home run,
shattering records and ending up in the Hall of Fame.
We've got pictures that have used all kinds of substance.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know, I know, but they didn't sign something. Pete
signed his career away as future away. He did that,
and I think what happened is he got bad advice
because they probably thought, you're Pete Rose. Give it a
couple of years, it'll die down and then you'll be reinstated.
Grad Hill is joining US Hall of femer Team USA
basketball managing director, seven time NBA All Star, won a
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couple of titles at Duke and now you put together
Team USA. Good to see you again. How much pressure
do you feel with this team putting it together?
Speaker 12 (19:41):
You know you feel pressure, and I think in part Dan,
it's just really the incredible legacy of USA basketball over
the last fifty years. With that, the success that comes
to expectations. So yeah, this pressure, this is not I
think I've said this before. This is not ceremonial in
any way, shape or form. The great thing is is
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that our players, our coaches are accustomed to pressure. They've
been in pressure moments. They understand the enormity of this
Olympic event, and they welcome and embrace the pressure that
exists with this team and the expectations.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, what were you thinking when Team UI, say, was
down sixteen to South Sudan, even though it was considered
it friendly.
Speaker 12 (20:29):
I thought this was great for our team. I thought
to be able to sort of feel the pressure, you know,
was important. We had some really good moments in our
first three exhibition games. We didn't play that great in
the last two against one against South Sudan and against Germany.
But I'm glad our guys got a chance to experience it.
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You know, Greg Popovich has a saying that you always
want to have the appropriate fear of your opponents, and
particularly in international basketball and international competition. You know, you
may look across the court and see guys, well you
know their role players in the NBA or or or
what have you. But in FEBA basketball, they play at
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another level and it's a different style of game.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
It's officiated differently.
Speaker 12 (21:18):
And so I think for us to feel that and
we can talk about it, we can, you know, we
can certainly watch it on film, but to feel how
they play, to feel the passion and the spirit, I
think it was important for our guys and will help
us as we start things here on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Explain to the audience the difference in regular basketball, NBA
basketball and international play.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Well, you know, first of all, it's a shorter game
and so there's fewer possessions, so every possession is golden.
I think in the NBA we tend to beat teams
with great individual play and the FEBA style and if
you will, and a lot of these international teams they
beat you with great ball movement, player movement. They may
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not have the one on one players, but it's the continuity,
it's the multiple movements. So you know the discipline required
to guard those multiple movements.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
How officiated though differently, you said, yet, oh, no.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
Question, I think there's greater physicality in the FEBA game.
Than in the NBA, although I thought this last season,
particularly at the end, the league made some adjustments to
allow for greater physicality. But you know, most of these
guys on our team are stars. They're superstars on their
team and in the league, and you know they're they're
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accustomed to maybe getting calls in the NBA. Well, a
lot of those calls aren't called in FEBA. If you know,
if you were going to make an assumption, you may say,
in the NBA it's officiated sort of in favor of
the offensive player, and FOEBA it's officiated in favor of
the defensive player. And so some of those just subtleties
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are nuances of the game. It's an adjustment period. And
the exhibition season, the five games, even the last two
were so important and so critical to just not only
feel it but also just train our minds to prepare
for what we're going to see here in Paris.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
We're talking to Grant Hill. He helped put the team together.
Team USA managing director all Right explain the philosophy of
how you build the team that Jalen Brown didn't make
the roster, but his teammate Derek White does what goes
into that decision.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah, as you brought that up. So, you know, we
went to training camp and we didn't have Katie.
Speaker 12 (23:50):
Kat was out, Kevin Durant, you know, sort of coming
back from a calf injury, and then Jason Tatum was
late for rival.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
He didn't show up the first.
Speaker 12 (24:01):
Two or three days, so you know, we ended up
having to sort of play Anthony Davis and Bammount of
Bio together and we didn't know if that would work.
I think going into camp, we thought, let's have three centers,
much like in ninety six when we had a Teama
lajah On, David Robinson, and Shaquille O'Neal, and we'll rotate.
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All three of them are different, they provide different things,
and so we'll have sort of a three headed monster
at the center position. But what we found, because we
didn't have the numbers those first few days, was that
Bammount of Bayo and Anthony Davis can really play well
together on both ends of the floor and at times
might be our best defensive lineup. So we kind of
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stumbled upon something and we learned something about our group
during the during you know, during those those four days
in Vegas and so when we pivoted off of you know,
off of why Leonard, we said, okay, we got a
little bit of a log jam. Now the four position.
You know, Lebron, James, Kevin Durant, Jason Tatum, now bam
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out of Baio. All these guys can play the four,
and we envisioned and playing the four, and so, okay,
let's not bring another guy who might play that three
to four position in. Let's bring in someone now who
can really give us great defense at the point of attack.
That was also a priority for putting this team together,
being able to pick up full court guard and pressure
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the point guards of opposing teams. And Drew Holliday might
be the best in the world at doing this, but
having some injuries that we had during camp, But what
happens if Drew gets hurt, you know, and so Derek
White might be the second best in the world at
point of attack defense. So that was sort of the
thought process. But we really learned about our team those
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days in Vegas and discovered something with Bamoute Bayo and
Anthony Davis on the court together that we really weren't
thinking about prior to our arrival in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Did you call Jalen Brown to tell him or explain
this too.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
I spoke to his agent, and you know, I spoke
to his agent. We you know, I don't know if
that was before or after, you know, things went out
on Twitter. But but yeah, I mean I think this
idea that there's a conspiracy theory, I always love a
(26:29):
good conspiracy theory. But you know, it was it was
really truly a basketball decision. And these are tough decisions,
you know, And but having gone through this with the
feeble competition, you want to find the right balance and
the right pieces on the court that that we needed.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And not to say that he wouldn't have been good.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
There's a lot of guys you can go on a
list of guys who are very capable and very very
you know, very qualified. But you know, for where we were,
it was the right decision. And Derek White, I think
will help us as we pursue goal.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't want to say how concerning, but how aware
is Team usay with the evolvement of like the best
players in the NBA probably the top five are not
from the United States, there from other countries. I know
this is you know, primarily because of ninety two with
the Dream Team, and we're starting to see that. But
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you know, there's a lot of great players. If you
go down that, you know with Serbia on Sunday with
Joker and Jannis, I mean Embiid is from another country
but playing for Team USA, Luca, I mean, go down
Shay Gilgis is from Canada. How aware are you of
this talent being developed? And how does Team you or
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how does USA basketball keep up with that talent?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Big what?
Speaker 12 (27:53):
The NBA has really become a global game, as you said,
because of that ninety two team. I think almost thirty
percent of the players in the NBA now are international players.
So it speaks to the growth of the game all
over the world. You mentioned those guys. Thankfully they're not
all in the same country, you know, but you know
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there there's there's an appropriate fear of of of you know,
of Serbia with Jokich, of Canada with shaik Yil just
Alexander and I do feel like there's a feeling like,
you know, there's something to prove, like we want to
show that, you know, that we can still reign supreme
and the guys have talked about it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Now they got to go out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Why are they developing these players, Like, what are they
doing differently in the development of players that we're not
doing in the United States.
Speaker 12 (28:45):
Yeah, I don't know if there's a concrete answer to that.
I do think that, look, you're you're pulling now from
just a you know, a larger pool of players. So
I mean, if you're going to open up the game
and popularize the game, and you're going to expect to
have players from all over the world. Now, I will
(29:07):
say in recent years, to your point, most of the
NBA MVPs have been international. I think the last three
or four of them have been. And so you know,
we may have to take a look at our grassroots
model and how we develop players, or it just could be,
you know, that was the trend and the next ten
(29:28):
years we'll get back to sort of having the premier
sort of young talented players dominant players in the NBA.
But yeah, Jokich, Giannis, Luca, Shai, Gilgess, Alexander, I mean,
those guys for the last few years have been perennial
first team all NBA's players and they deserved it. They've
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played at an elite level. So I don't know if
I have the answer as to why that is. But
it's certainly the case, and certainly that we're all very
much aware.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
How strange is it to be looking at Lebron James
still out there playing the go to guy for this
team at his age, having played against him, well, he
was the go to.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
Guy in those two games. Now, I don't know if
that'll be the case. I mean, I expect, you know,
multiple guys will step up and play big. But you know,
Lebron has been fantastic.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
From from day one.
Speaker 12 (30:25):
And you know, the first day of practice in Las Vegas,
you know, he had maybe twenty dunks in practice. You know,
he's thirty nine and a half years old and he's
dunking everything, and probably he showed up in the best shape.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
And the next day in the.
Speaker 12 (30:41):
Cafeteria, I told him, I said, Lebron, you know when
I was thirty nine and I played in the NBA,
I looked at it as I had twenty good jumps
for the entire season, and I didn't waste those jumps
in practice, and you did twenty in one practice. And
so but he's been phenomenal. He's, you know, shown that
he has an incredible will with his performance in our
(31:02):
last two exhibition games. He's been a great leader, he's
been just a model citizen and certainly a great ambassador
for USA basketball.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Team USA, What didn't you shut him down when you
were in Phoenix? You were you were the guy who
had to shut down Lebron? Was that? Do I remember that? Correankly?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I was not the Lebron stopper and you weren't. I
guarded him, But I don't know if you could say
I shut him down?
Speaker 9 (31:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Uh, what a great assignment. You know, it's like Grant
you get Lebron.
Speaker 12 (31:37):
You could say that, Yes, you know, it wasn't great
in the moment, but but certainly what's great is that
finally we're on the same team, and you know, we
we've watched him, certainly the whole world has seen his
greatness on display. But to watch him up close and personal,
to see his consistency, to see his professionalism, to see
(31:59):
his attitude, his leadership, it's even more impressive. And we're
gonna need that as we go on this journey here
these next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You don't get a gold medal if Team USA gets
a gold medal, do you no?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
But I might create or make one for me if
we do.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Oh, Okay, even the coaches don't get a gold medal, right,
it's just the players who get a gold medal.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
It is just the athletes. Yes, no, I did.
Speaker 12 (32:24):
I do have one from ninety six. So that is
one of my great joys that I was able to
participate and win a gold medal.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, more important the gold medal or a national title
at Duke.
Speaker 12 (32:37):
Oh wow, that's that's a great question. Probably the gold medal.
I mean, the national title was great. Certainly, I'm probably
remembered more for that, But in the Olympics don't come
around often and and so that was truly one of
the highlights of my career, no question.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Duke in good hands with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 12 (32:57):
Yes, I mean it's the talented group coming in of
the kam out kid from South Houdan.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Was Cooper good enough to make the Olympic team?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, No, he had.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I mean he had a good day and he has
some good moments.
Speaker 12 (33:11):
But yeah, I mean he's he's gonna have a great
college season, I hope, but I know he'll have a
great NBA year or NBA season. But no, I mean
he he he had a good day. He had a
really good day and uh and that was documented on
social media. People saw the clips. But he still has
some growth to do, and I think he would acknowledge
(33:32):
that as well. But you know, he may be a
guy that's in consideration in four years.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
But how close is he to being great?
Speaker 5 (33:42):
I think he is great. I mean I think he
is great. He'll be a great college player.
Speaker 12 (33:45):
I think his game may even resonate and translate better
on the NBA stage. He's young, he's seventeen, so he's
still learning. Sometimes when you're young, you have no fear.
You don't you know, you don't even know you're supposed
to be scared. But he's got all the tools. He's
got the mental makeup too.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
He has, you know, some nasty in him. You know,
he's not afraid.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Why should translate more to the NBA, you think than
one year at Duke.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
Well, let me just say the college game is a
little bit different, you know, the college game is. If anything,
the college game might be a little bit more like
the international game. Now you know it's it's it's definitely
more ball movement. It's de conzone. So the space and
the pace and the freedom and all that that happens
in the NBA game may be better suited for him,
but I still expect him to have a great season
(34:36):
and lead Duke to a national champion.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Great to talk to you, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Grant all right, Dan, thanks for having him.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's Grant Hill, Hall of Famer and won a couple
of national titles at Duke and Team USA. So I
mean he said what I thought they were thinking of
with Jalen Brown is they had a lot of players
who were similar in what they did at that position.
And Derek White's somebody that if he doesn't get any
(35:05):
shots or he's not playing, nobody's gonna be worried about it.
He's going to be one of those guys of what
do you want me to do? And maybe Jyalen Brown
would come in and be like, hey, I still got
a chip on my shoulder. I'm going to go out
there and prove that I'm you know, I belong on
this team instead of you know, sitting watching. Because once
the games begin, you know, the rotations are going to shrink.
(35:28):
You're not going to have as many players playing, and
then you're gonna have guys sitting and then you just
don't want players that are going to go, hey, where
are my minutes? Where are my shots? And that inevitably
happens most of the time. Take a break. Play the
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The ball game is over.
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That's courtesy of the Podres Radio network. He struck out
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away from a no hitter back in September of twenty
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the poll question? First hour. See, we haven't quite gotten
to this topic yet.
Speaker 11 (36:57):
Okay, so we still have to sort of populate the
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hour with Russ Tucker being here.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Potential landing spots for Dak Prescott Clickscalore. Well, we got
to Jerry Jones spoke to the media yesterday. It was
a wild ride, wild ride. You know, he's a liteer.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
When he was talking about being all in, but they
haven't done anything that's all in. Where Dak and Ceedee
Lamb and Micah Parsons and we were all in on
Zeke Elliott, you're not all in on your coach, your quarterback,
your wide receiver. So we'll bring that to your attention
(37:44):
coming up next town. I think you could, I think
you could reasonably say at least six teams would be
interested in Dak Prescott on the open mark six yeah,
at least six. Yeah, I'll run down those coming up
next down at least six, at least six teams. If
Dak was in the open market, they would pony up
(38:06):
that money. Now he's going to get probably a five
year three hundred million dollar contract. Is he thirty thirty
or thirty one one thirty one? I know, but I
think there would probably be six teams that would be
interested in him. A couple of phone calls Buddha in
(38:28):
San Francisco, Good morning, Buddha, thanks for joining us again.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
No fun. Happy to meet Friday Boys, Minister of humor.
What's up, Dan, I got a good story for you, guys.
I wanted to thank you for letting me plug my
restaurant a couple weeks ago, Hurrica in Redwood City. I
had a couple of last night since the bar. They
were super nice. Gentleman flags me down and leans in
(38:56):
and he says he looks around, he goes, who has
it better than I was like, no, buddy, I'm like,
let go. Like we had a glass of wine. We toasted.
The show was really cool, super it was super good.
It was super great. But Dan, in the in the
spirit of the Olympics, I just wanted to revisit the
opening action of the USA men's basketball team against the
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Spaniards when Kobe Bean Bryan torpedoed right through his brother
pal Gasol, leaving Lebron d Wading Company with their jaws
on the floor and then Kobe proceeds to put the
country on his back to get the gold. The dude
was special.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Man.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
You guys have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Hey, how do you spell your restaurant's name?
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Uh, it's Hurrica h U R R I c A.
It's like Hurricane. Look at the n Hurica. You guys
and Dan, you guys are you guys are always welcoming.
I'm serious. It's like you got like the guys, A
couple that came in last night. They were like, the
DP show out here would be special. I'm like, I know,
it's beautiful, it's epic. It is on the water. I
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mean it has everything you guys need. There's yachts, there's
sea smoke, there's all all there.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Dan can I can I pull up in my pontoon boat? Though?
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Dan, the Mothership Sports anchor, whatever the case may be,
is always welcome. We got a thousand feet of dock
space for our parking garage out there.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
If you will, all right, thank you, Buddha. I have
a great weekend there. Travis in California, Good morning, Travis.
What's on your mind today? Good morning Dan, boys, morning Ritzy.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
That's going on the time long time.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Uh so, yeah, I got some boat names for you.
I kinda know it was the last day.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I wanted to help you shut it down.
Speaker 13 (40:42):
Okay, so we'll start good follow up here to follow
a Buddha with who's got it.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Boater than we do.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I'll give you a bloop on that one, okay now.
Speaker 13 (40:57):
And I can stand alone or be followed up up
with the no boaty no boat and then h we've
got flowed him if you got him? And uh, this one,
because I know you love love Dan, I thought the
love love boat.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Okay, Yeah, I don't know if my wife would go
for love love boat. But once again, she said, can
you get this over with? And he said, wow, buzzkill here.
You know, I'm interacting with the audience here Hunt trying
to name my pontoon boat. But we do have a
couple of leaders in the clubhouse. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (41:35):
See, we just got a new one that I love,
I really love from Dave DeJong. Okay, release rotation splash,
that's pretty perfect. That was Craig Kilbourne's release rotation splash.
Release Rotation Splash when he did Sports Center. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, because you know, I catch the fish and then
I released them exactly and then they go in the water,
they splash. Thang, got it. Jerry Jones had a lot
to say about the Cowboys.
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(01:37):
are as well. Had a no hitter yesterday afternoon. Padres
Dylan Ceaes with a no hitter against the Nationals. I
was listening to it on the radio, which is interesting
because normally you're able to find a game on TV,
and maybe it was on TV, but I was driving
and all of a sudden, I got a heads up
that got a no no, and I picked it up
in the ninth inning, and it was pretty cool listening
(02:00):
because you know, I grew up listening to baseball on
the radio, and I was very fortunate in Cincinnati that
we had Marty Brenneman and Joe Knuxall. Marty Brennan a
Hall of Famer. We had Al Michaels who came in
for three seasons back in the early seventies.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
He was there.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Pete Rose was there. There's a documentary out now on
Pete Rose. It's a four part series. I've watched the
first two. People are curious, or at least some friends are,
what I think of this. I am from the Cincinnati area,
spent a lot of time on the Pete Rose story.
When I first got to ESPN, I was co anchoring
with Bob Lee on Sports Center, and we did I think,
(02:40):
some work that rivaled anybody else who was covering the
Pete Rose story. But I had sources. Nobody else who
was covering this story had actually placed a bet with
Pete's bookie, but I did. And also a lot of
times bookies, if they get a lot of action on something,
they'll offload that, you know, with another bookie. And that
(03:01):
other bookie was who I placed all my bets with.
So I was aware of Pete betting on sports. I
was never told that he bet on baseball as a player,
but I knew that he was betting on all kinds
of sports and not doing well betting on all kinds
of sports. So I've watched it and there's nothing new
in there. I mean, it's it's sad, it really is
(03:24):
because Pete what made him great is what has kept
him out of the Hall of Fame. There's no contrition,
you know, he talks about Hey, now, after all this time,
I mean, haven't I paid my punishment? Yes, we know this.
We've talked about this the career. He's a Hall of Famer,
but you signed something, and you know now you want
(03:47):
to put him in the Hall of Fame. Put him
in the Hall of Fame. As I've said before, you
want to put Bonds or Clemens, and you want to
put an asterisk by this. You want to tell the
story of baseball, tell the story of baseball in a museum.
I'm okay with that. Pete has gained more attention, made
more money by not being in the Hall of Fame.
If Pete went into the Hall of Fame twenty years ago,
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no one would clamor for his autograph the way they
do now, because Pete'll signed something and he'll put whatever
you want him on, you know, to on a baseball.
But he has benefited by not being in the Hall
of Fame. Now he does want it both ways that
he'll go up Cooperstown, others are going into the Hall
of Fame. He'll set up an autograph show. But he
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wants his kids, grandkids to be able to go to
the Hall of Fame, you know when he's gone and
go in there and say, oh, you know, there's my grandfather.
He's a Hall of Famer and Pete is. But you know,
I'm watching the documentary, it's just that's who Pete is.
He kind of stuck in the mid or early seventies,
(04:50):
like his personality, late sixties, early seventies. That's just who
he is. And you know he's approaching an age where
you're not going to be around that much longer. But
the documentary so far, the first two episodes, didn't tell
me much. And keep in mind, I did a couple
of interviews with Pete for SportsCenter. I also had Pete
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on my radio show when for the first time, he
admitted that he bet every single time for the Reds
to win. He had never said that, but he lied
for so many years. Hey, I never bet, never bet.
And then what did he do? He wrote a book.
He made money because then he admitted that he bet
on baseball. But you know, we watch athletes sometimes and
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we love how they play, and then being in this business,
then you find out the person behind the athlete when
they're off the field, and it's like Lawrence Taylor, unbelievable.
Do I want to hang around with him?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But on the field, and that's why you can get
too close. Pete Rose was unbelievable. Everybody wanted to wear
number fourteen, have their haircut like Pete's slide head first,
but then you meet the person and then all of
a sudden, you realize, I'm going to stay as far
away as I can from the person. But the player,
he was unbelievable. So just watching the documentary and you
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can't argue with his impact on the game. I mean,
he was unique. I don't know if we've ever had
an MVP and maybe you know, one of you guys
can look at this. He won the MVP one year
and he hit five home runs. I don't know if
we've ever had an MVP an everyday player hit less
(06:38):
than five home runs. I mean, maybe we have, but
that's that's pretty amazing that the impact that he had
on a game, and he was a singles hitter. I
think Johnny Bench may have hit forty home runs that
year his teammate, but Pete hit five and was the
MV Pig. That might have been nineteen seventy two or
three where he's the mvpig, but he was a big deal.
(07:01):
Still in the news with the documentary. But look, he'll
go to his grave being Pete Rose. That's what made
him great. But he could never say, I'm sorry, how
do I give back to baseball? And he could be
in the Hall of Fame. I truly believe that. And
I've had private conversations with former Commissioner Bud Seely, and
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I mean they'll stay private, but you know, I found
out a lot more about Pete Rose, and I think
when Pete dies there will be more information that comes
out about Pete Rose. But you know, you see him
and he blames everybody but himself. I mean he's the reason.
And yes, yet now it sounds hypocritical, baseball in bed
(07:43):
with gambling, and I understand that. But Pete was in
a position to manipulate a game. Hey, I'm bet on
my team to win. Well, you might be putting somebody
out there who shouldn't be out there. For the third
consecutive time or there were certain pitchers that I was
told that he didn't bet on the Reds to win.
But you know, it's complicated and it's sad. But I
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have watched the first couple of episodes, so watching baseball,
listening to baseball in the radio, and then kind of
juxtapose that with, oh, that's right, I grew up listening
to the Reds with Pete Rose playing and having that
unfold yesterday and then watching the second part of the
documentary a little bit later on yesterday. Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
See besides Pete Rose, Maury Wills of the Dodgers in
nineteen sixty two hit six home runs.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So Maury hit six, Pete hit five, okay, And Maury
Wills was a shortstop. And then he set the single
season record I think for stolen bases for the Dodgers
that year. But yeah, Pete with five. But Pete was
a he was a force. He was the fight with
Bud Harrelson and the Mets when he slid into second base,
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and look, Pete was in fault with that. You know.
He came in hard, you know, to knock Bud Harrelson down.
And Buddy was not a big guy. Buddy called him something,
and then Pete made it seem like, oh, well he
started because he called me something. No, Pete started it
because it was a over the top hard slide there
to take him out. And this was, you know, in
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the postseason that they were playing. But you know, look,
whatever your opinion is with Pete good, I don't want
the show to be dominated with that because it has
been before. It's just I've seen the two episodes. I
wasn't involved in the documentary, although I don't think there's
any other journalist out there who had more interaction with
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Pete with this with his bookie, and when Pete came
on the radio show at ESPN and said that he
bet every single time for the Reds to win. So
let's see pull question today. What are we gonna go
with Seaton no counter? It's kind of crazy how many
like lives that story has Yeah, with Pete, with Pete, Yeah,
(10:02):
I mean it keeps it. It's the same story, but
it's carried on for decades and every ten years or
so something new will happen with it. I mean, this
time it's a documentary, but all of a sudden years
later it's well, he bet every single game or he
bet every game to win, or he bet whatever. There's
always a new thing. Why do you think that this
Pete Rose story still is so intriguing? Or has this
(10:26):
the legs it has? I think he's a sympathetic figure
to people because he was so great. How's he not
in the Hall of Fame and all? You know he
bet on baseball? Well when he was a manager, that's true.
Now do I believe he bet on baseball as a player?
I do, I do. I can take you back nineteen
(10:49):
eighty six playoffs. Was at Mets Astros and I was
there at Shay Stadium and Pete was working. I remember
him coming to me. I was with Bob Costas and
we were on the dugout steps and he said, who
do you fellas like today? Well, that's what you get.
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That's gambling terminology. Friends will say that to me, like, hey,
who do you like? And I'll go, no, I'm we're
not betting on. Well, Pete was saying that to Bob
and myself at Shay Stadium and might have been Mike
Scott pitching, so he said, obviously the Astros with Mike
Scott on the mound. But do I think he was
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betting as a baseball player, I do. I do because
you're not good at other you know, he wasn't good gambling.
Then you want to do what you're really good at
or you have information on, and that is baseball. He
was there, he could control lineup or if he's playing
in a game like So there's a lot of different
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tentacles with this. But I do think it's sad because
whenever it used to be, people would say, oh, you're
from Cincinnati. Should Pete Roseby in the Hall of Fame?
That always came up. That'd be like the first thing
it had to do with Pete rose And it felt
like more people on the outside were interested in how Cincinnati,
(12:12):
you know, looks at Pete rose I told Pete to
his face that he embarrassed the city of Cincinnati. I
did a Sunday conversation with him and I said, you
embarrassed Cincinnati and he just you know, he never wrapped
his arms around it. You know, he was a force man.
What made him great. It's just like Bonds, what made
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him great? Clemens? What makes them great? Lance Armstrong? What
makes them great? They can never say I'm sorry, and
that usually prevents them from being able to move on
or you know, for people to be able to celebrate them.
We should celebrate Lance Armstrong for staying alive testicular cancer
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just to get on the bike and be in the
Tour de France. And then he became Lance. He's going
to take out everybody in his way. Never apologize, Clemens Bonds,
never apologize, keep moving forward. That's Pete.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, Marv, does this story have legs? If he makes
the Hall of Fame before he gets caught gambling.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, there'd be the big argument of can you take
him out. There's a lot of people who've spent a
lot of time on Pete Rose, just letting you know
behind the scenes that and look, I've tried to crack
the code. But then I got to the point where
I go, I don't care anymore. I loved watching him play.
I was so fortunate to watch Pete play the big
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Red machine. And then I just got to the point
that why was I caring? And it didn't feel like
he was caring to solve. If he says to Bartiamatti,
the commissioner, how do I get back to the game,
And I remember saying this to Bud seely, if Pete
said to you let me go and spend an entire
(14:01):
year in the minor leagues talking to players about gambling,
and he'd say, well, that would have helped. I think
baseball wanted to forgive him. Pete never ever showed any
contrition where they would have. And maybe there's something that
comes out in the other two episodes with Pete, but yeah,
just watching him. He was talking to Marty Brenneman. And
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that's sad, really is because sometimes the reality hits you.
You know, we live in a fantasy world. You know that, Hey,
I'm watching baseball and this is awesome, and you know,
these great teams, and all of a sudden the reality
hit you of he was gambling on baseball. Oh he
did steroids? Oh he was. I mean that's the reality.
(14:47):
Sometimes that's the cold, you know, bucket of water that
we get and Pete, look, he brings out a lot
of emotions with me because I was there, you know,
listen on the radio going to games. Stutograph I ever
got Pete Rose. First game I went to, saw Pete Rose,
and then I see him now trouble walking, still signing autographs.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, Mark, for you personally, would he have been on
the level of a Jerry West or Johnny Bench had
all this gamble stuff had not come out.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
No, it was different Like I. He played in a
way that like Jerry played with elegance, grace. He was
a different style. Pete was like I'm coming through the
front door.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I love that. But I was more of a Johnny
Bench Tony Perez fan like I for some reason, just
like Pete was great. But I like those two more
sort of their style, their grace, how they played. Let
me take a break here. We're getting a little long
winded here. Grant Hill's going to join us from Paris,
Team USA basketball managing director. A lot of things to
(15:53):
talk to him about. Our good buddy Ross Tucker will
stop by. Phone calls are always welcome. On this Friday,
we get to those. But up next we'll talk Olympic
basketball with Grand Hill. Dan Patrick's show right after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:22):
The first hour seating doing the honors there. Phone calls
always welcome, waiting for Grant Hill to join us. Grant
is the Team USA managing director, and he put the
roster together the Olympic team. They play Serbia Sunday, then
they got South Sudan and then they got Puerto Rico.
So we'll talk to him about trying to be the
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architect of a team and how much pressure does he
feel in how he filled out this roster. A couple
of phone calls in here. Eric in North Carolina, Good morning, Eric,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Hey Eric?
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Hello?
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Hey Eric, Hey, how you doing great? Eric six three,
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Names Gene Bendon know him. But he worked for the
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Barry Larkin over his career and he got a home.
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Speaker 10 (18:43):
But listen, So here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
We just got through with two baseball teams cheating another
baseball team and winning a World Series. They're going to
stay in the books. It's going to be listed. Those
players are still eligible to make the Hall of Fame,
that they can make something out.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
Of their careers.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
We've got the steroid era. We've got guys hitting home run,
shattering records and ending up in the Hall of Fame.
We've got pictures that have used all kinds of substance.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know, I know, but they didn't sign something. Pete
signed his career away as future away. He did that,
and I think what happened is he got bad advice
because they probably thought, you're Pete Rose. Give it a
couple of years, it'll die down and then you'll be reinstated.
Grad Hill is joining US Hall of femer Team USA
basketball managing director, seven time NBA All Star, won a
(19:31):
couple of titles at Duke and now you put together
Team USA. Good to see you again. How much pressure
do you feel with this team putting it together?
Speaker 12 (19:41):
You know you feel pressure, and I think in part Dan,
it's just really the incredible legacy of USA basketball over
the last fifty years. With that, the success that comes
to expectations. So yeah, this pressure, this is not I
think I've said this before. This is not ceremonial in
any way, shape or form. The great thing is is
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that our players, our coaches are accustomed to pressure. They've
been in pressure moments. They understand the enormity of this
Olympic event, and they welcome and embrace the pressure that
exists with this team and the expectations.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, what were you thinking when Team UI, say, was
down sixteen to South Sudan, even though it was considered
it friendly.
Speaker 12 (20:29):
I thought this was great for our team. I thought
to be able to sort of feel the pressure, you know,
was important. We had some really good moments in our
first three exhibition games. We didn't play that great in
the last two against one against South Sudan and against Germany.
But I'm glad our guys got a chance to experience it.
(20:50):
You know, Greg Popovich has a saying that you always
want to have the appropriate fear of your opponents, and
particularly in international basketball and international competition. You know, you
may look across the court and see guys, well you
know their role players in the NBA or or or
what have you. But in FEBA basketball, they play at
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another level and it's a different style of game.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
It's officiated differently.
Speaker 12 (21:18):
And so I think for us to feel that and
we can talk about it, we can, you know, we
can certainly watch it on film, but to feel how
they play, to feel the passion and the spirit, I
think it was important for our guys and will help
us as we start things here on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Explain to the audience the difference in regular basketball, NBA
basketball and international play.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Well, you know, first of all, it's a shorter game
and so there's fewer possessions, so every possession is golden.
I think in the NBA we tend to beat teams
with great individual play and the FEBA style and if
you will, and a lot of these international teams they
beat you with great ball movement, player movement. They may
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not have the one on one players, but it's the continuity,
it's the multiple movements. So you know the discipline required
to guard those multiple movements.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
How officiated though differently, you said, yet, oh, no.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
Question, I think there's greater physicality in the FEBA game.
Than in the NBA, although I thought this last season,
particularly at the end, the league made some adjustments to
allow for greater physicality. But you know, most of these
guys on our team are stars. They're superstars on their
team and in the league, and you know they're they're
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accustomed to maybe getting calls in the NBA. Well, a
lot of those calls aren't called in FEBA. If you know,
if you were going to make an assumption, you may say,
in the NBA it's officiated sort of in favor of
the offensive player, and FOEBA it's officiated in favor of
the defensive player. And so some of those just subtleties
(23:03):
are nuances of the game. It's an adjustment period. And
the exhibition season, the five games, even the last two
were so important and so critical to just not only
feel it but also just train our minds to prepare
for what we're going to see here in Paris.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
We're talking to Grant Hill. He helped put the team together.
Team USA managing director all Right explain the philosophy of
how you build the team that Jalen Brown didn't make
the roster, but his teammate Derek White does what goes
into that decision.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah, as you brought that up. So, you know, we
went to training camp and we didn't have Katie.
Speaker 12 (23:50):
Kat was out, Kevin Durant, you know, sort of coming
back from a calf injury, and then Jason Tatum was
late for rival.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
He didn't show up the first.
Speaker 12 (24:01):
Two or three days, so you know, we ended up
having to sort of play Anthony Davis and Bammount of
Bio together and we didn't know if that would work.
I think going into camp, we thought, let's have three centers,
much like in ninety six when we had a Teama
lajah On, David Robinson, and Shaquille O'Neal, and we'll rotate.
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All three of them are different, they provide different things,
and so we'll have sort of a three headed monster
at the center position. But what we found, because we
didn't have the numbers those first few days, was that
Bammount of Bayo and Anthony Davis can really play well
together on both ends of the floor and at times
might be our best defensive lineup. So we kind of
(24:43):
stumbled upon something and we learned something about our group
during the during you know, during those those four days
in Vegas and so when we pivoted off of you know,
off of why Leonard, we said, okay, we got a
little bit of a log jam. Now the four position.
You know, Lebron, James, Kevin Durant, Jason Tatum, now bam
(25:06):
out of Baio. All these guys can play the four,
and we envisioned and playing the four, and so, okay,
let's not bring another guy who might play that three
to four position in. Let's bring in someone now who
can really give us great defense at the point of attack.
That was also a priority for putting this team together,
being able to pick up full court guard and pressure
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the point guards of opposing teams. And Drew Holliday might
be the best in the world at doing this, but
having some injuries that we had during camp, But what
happens if Drew gets hurt, you know, and so Derek
White might be the second best in the world at
point of attack defense. So that was sort of the
thought process. But we really learned about our team those
(25:51):
days in Vegas and discovered something with Bamoute Bayo and
Anthony Davis on the court together that we really weren't
thinking about prior to our arrival in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Did you call Jalen Brown to tell him or explain
this too.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
I spoke to his agent, and you know, I spoke
to his agent. We you know, I don't know if
that was before or after, you know, things went out
on Twitter. But but yeah, I mean I think this
idea that there's a conspiracy theory, I always love a
(26:29):
good conspiracy theory. But you know, it was it was
really truly a basketball decision. And these are tough decisions,
you know, And but having gone through this with the
feeble competition, you want to find the right balance and
the right pieces on the court that that we needed.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And not to say that he wouldn't have been good.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
There's a lot of guys you can go on a
list of guys who are very capable and very very
you know, very qualified. But you know, for where we were,
it was the right decision. And Derek White, I think
will help us as we pursue goal.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't want to say how concerning, but how aware
is Team usay with the evolvement of like the best
players in the NBA probably the top five are not
from the United States, there from other countries. I know
this is you know, primarily because of ninety two with
the Dream Team, and we're starting to see that. But
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you know, there's a lot of great players. If you
go down that, you know with Serbia on Sunday with
Joker and Jannis, I mean Embiid is from another country
but playing for Team USA, Luca, I mean, go down
Shay Gilgis is from Canada. How aware are you of
this talent being developed? And how does Team you or
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how does USA basketball keep up with that talent?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Big what?
Speaker 12 (27:53):
The NBA has really become a global game, as you said,
because of that ninety two team. I think almost thirty
percent of the players in the NBA now are international players.
So it speaks to the growth of the game all
over the world. You mentioned those guys. Thankfully they're not
all in the same country, you know, but you know
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there there's there's an appropriate fear of of of you know,
of Serbia with Jokich, of Canada with shaik Yil just
Alexander and I do feel like there's a feeling like,
you know, there's something to prove, like we want to
show that, you know, that we can still reign supreme
and the guys have talked about it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Now they got to go out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Why are they developing these players, Like, what are they
doing differently in the development of players that we're not
doing in the United States.
Speaker 12 (28:45):
Yeah, I don't know if there's a concrete answer to that.
I do think that, look, you're you're pulling now from
just a you know, a larger pool of players. So
I mean, if you're going to open up the game
and popularize the game, and you're going to expect to
have players from all over the world. Now, I will
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say in recent years, to your point, most of the
NBA MVPs have been international. I think the last three
or four of them have been. And so you know,
we may have to take a look at our grassroots
model and how we develop players, or it just could be,
you know, that was the trend and the next ten
(29:28):
years we'll get back to sort of having the premier
sort of young talented players dominant players in the NBA.
But yeah, Jokich, Giannis, Luca, Shai, Gilgess, Alexander, I mean,
those guys for the last few years have been perennial
first team all NBA's players and they deserved it. They've
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played at an elite level. So I don't know if
I have the answer as to why that is. But
it's certainly the case, and certainly that we're all very
much aware.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
How strange is it to be looking at Lebron James
still out there playing the go to guy for this
team at his age, having played against him, well, he
was the go to.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
Guy in those two games. Now, I don't know if
that'll be the case. I mean, I expect, you know,
multiple guys will step up and play big. But you know,
Lebron has been fantastic.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
From from day one.
Speaker 12 (30:25):
And you know, the first day of practice in Las Vegas,
you know, he had maybe twenty dunks in practice. You know,
he's thirty nine and a half years old and he's
dunking everything, and probably he showed up in the best shape.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
And the next day in the.
Speaker 12 (30:41):
Cafeteria, I told him, I said, Lebron, you know when
I was thirty nine and I played in the NBA,
I looked at it as I had twenty good jumps
for the entire season, and I didn't waste those jumps
in practice, and you did twenty in one practice. And
so but he's been phenomenal. He's, you know, shown that
he has an incredible will with his performance in our
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last two exhibition games. He's been a great leader, he's
been just a model citizen and certainly a great ambassador
for USA basketball.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Team USA, What didn't you shut him down when you
were in Phoenix? You were you were the guy who
had to shut down Lebron? Was that? Do I remember that? Correankly?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I was not the Lebron stopper and you weren't. I
guarded him, But I don't know if you could say
I shut him down?
Speaker 9 (31:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Uh, what a great assignment. You know, it's like Grant
you get Lebron.
Speaker 12 (31:37):
You could say that, Yes, you know, it wasn't great
in the moment, but but certainly what's great is that
finally we're on the same team, and you know, we
we've watched him, certainly the whole world has seen his
greatness on display. But to watch him up close and personal,
to see his consistency, to see his professionalism, to see
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his attitude, his leadership, it's even more impressive. And we're
gonna need that as we go on this journey here
these next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You don't get a gold medal if Team USA gets
a gold medal, do you no?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
But I might create or make one for me if
we do.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Oh, Okay, even the coaches don't get a gold medal, right,
it's just the players who get a gold medal.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
It is just the athletes. Yes, no, I did.
Speaker 12 (32:24):
I do have one from ninety six. So that is
one of my great joys that I was able to
participate and win a gold medal.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, more important the gold medal or a national title
at Duke.
Speaker 12 (32:37):
Oh wow, that's that's a great question. Probably the gold medal.
I mean, the national title was great. Certainly, I'm probably
remembered more for that, But in the Olympics don't come
around often and and so that was truly one of
the highlights of my career, no question.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Duke in good hands with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 12 (32:57):
Yes, I mean it's the talented group coming in of
the kam out kid from South Houdan.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Was Cooper good enough to make the Olympic team?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, No, he had.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I mean he had a good day and he has
some good moments.
Speaker 12 (33:11):
But yeah, I mean he's he's gonna have a great
college season, I hope, but I know he'll have a
great NBA year or NBA season. But no, I mean
he he he had a good day. He had a
really good day and uh and that was documented on
social media. People saw the clips. But he still has
some growth to do, and I think he would acknowledge
(33:32):
that as well. But you know, he may be a
guy that's in consideration in four years.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
But how close is he to being great?
Speaker 5 (33:42):
I think he is great. I mean I think he
is great. He'll be a great college player.
Speaker 12 (33:45):
I think his game may even resonate and translate better
on the NBA stage. He's young, he's seventeen, so he's
still learning. Sometimes when you're young, you have no fear.
You don't you know, you don't even know you're supposed
to be scared. But he's got all the tools. He's
got the mental makeup too.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
He has, you know, some nasty in him. You know,
he's not afraid.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Why should translate more to the NBA, you think than
one year at Duke.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
Well, let me just say the college game is a
little bit different, you know, the college game is. If anything,
the college game might be a little bit more like
the international game. Now you know it's it's it's definitely
more ball movement. It's de conzone. So the space and
the pace and the freedom and all that that happens
in the NBA game may be better suited for him,
but I still expect him to have a great season
(34:36):
and lead Duke to a national champion.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Great to talk to you, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Grant all right, Dan, thanks for having him.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's Grant Hill, Hall of Famer and won a couple
of national titles at Duke and Team USA. So I
mean he said what I thought they were thinking of
with Jalen Brown is they had a lot of players
who were similar in what they did at that position.
And Derek White's somebody that if he doesn't get any
(35:05):
shots or he's not playing, nobody's gonna be worried about it.
He's going to be one of those guys of what
do you want me to do? And maybe Jyalen Brown
would come in and be like, hey, I still got
a chip on my shoulder. I'm going to go out
there and prove that I'm you know, I belong on
this team instead of you know, sitting watching. Because once
the games begin, you know, the rotations are going to shrink.
(35:28):
You're not going to have as many players playing, and
then you're gonna have guys sitting and then you just
don't want players that are going to go, hey, where
are my minutes? Where are my shots? And that inevitably
happens most of the time. Take a break. Play the
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Potential landing spots for Dak Prescott Clickscalore. Well, we got
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Speaker 2 (37:24):
When he was talking about being all in, but they
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Lamb and Micah Parsons and we were all in on
Zeke Elliott, you're not all in on your coach, your quarterback,
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(37:44):
coming up next town. I think you could, I think
you could reasonably say at least six teams would be
interested in Dak Prescott on the open mark six yeah,
at least six. Yeah, I'll run down those coming up
next down at least six, at least six teams. If
Dak was in the open market, they would pony up
(38:06):
that money. Now he's going to get probably a five
year three hundred million dollar contract. Is he thirty thirty
or thirty one one thirty one? I know, but I
think there would probably be six teams that would be
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San Francisco, Good morning, Buddha, thanks for joining us again.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
No fun. Happy to meet Friday Boys, Minister of humor.
What's up, Dan, I got a good story for you, guys.
I wanted to thank you for letting me plug my
restaurant a couple weeks ago, Hurrica in Redwood City. I
had a couple of last night since the bar. They
were super nice. Gentleman flags me down and leans in
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and he says he looks around, he goes, who has
it better than I was like, no, buddy, I'm like,
let go. Like we had a glass of wine. We toasted.
The show was really cool, super it was super good.
It was super great. But Dan, in the in the
spirit of the Olympics, I just wanted to revisit the
opening action of the USA men's basketball team against the
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Spaniards when Kobe Bean Bryan torpedoed right through his brother
pal Gasol, leaving Lebron d Wading Company with their jaws
on the floor and then Kobe proceeds to put the
country on his back to get the gold. The dude
was special.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Man.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
You guys have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Hey, how do you spell your restaurant's name?
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Uh, it's Hurrica h U R R I c A.
It's like Hurricane. Look at the n Hurica. You guys
and Dan, you guys are you guys are always welcoming.
I'm serious. It's like you got like the guys, A
couple that came in last night. They were like, the
DP show out here would be special. I'm like, I know,
it's beautiful, it's epic. It is on the water. I
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mean it has everything you guys need. There's yachts, there's
sea smoke, there's all all there.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Dan can I can I pull up in my pontoon boat? Though?
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Oh?
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Dan, the Mothership Sports anchor, whatever the case may be,
is always welcome. We got a thousand feet of dock
space for our parking garage out there.
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If you will, all right, thank you, Buddha. I have
a great weekend there. Travis in California, Good morning, Travis.
What's on your mind today? Good morning Dan, boys, morning Ritzy.
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Uh so, yeah, I got some boat names for you.
I kinda know it was the last day.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I wanted to help you shut it down.
Speaker 13 (40:42):
Okay, so we'll start good follow up here to follow
a Buddha with who's got it.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Boater than we do.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I'll give you a bloop on that one, okay now.
Speaker 13 (40:57):
And I can stand alone or be followed up up
with the no boaty no boat and then h we've
got flowed him if you got him? And uh, this one,
because I know you love love Dan, I thought the
love love boat.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Okay, Yeah, I don't know if my wife would go
for love love boat. But once again, she said, can
you get this over with? And he said, wow, buzzkill here.
You know, I'm interacting with the audience here Hunt trying
to name my pontoon boat. But we do have a
couple of leaders in the clubhouse. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (41:35):
See, we just got a new one that I love,
I really love from Dave DeJong. Okay, release rotation splash,
that's pretty perfect. That was Craig Kilbourne's release rotation splash.
Release Rotation Splash when he did Sports Center. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, because you know, I catch the fish and then
I released them exactly and then they go in the water,
they splash. Thang, got it. Jerry Jones had a lot
to say about the Cowboys.
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