July 26, 2024 • 47 mins
Team USA Managing Director Grant Hill joins the show to discuss what went into selecting this year's Team USA Men's Basketball roster. CBS Sports' Ross Tucker shared why the Dallas Cowboys have no reason to complain about salary cap issues when their division rival Philadelphia Eagles continue to pay elite talent. And NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley stops by to discuss how he plans to handle TNT losing out on the rights to the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grad Hill is joining US Hall of Famer Team USA
Basketball managing director, seven time NBA on star, won a
couple of titles at Duke. And now you put together
Team US say, good to see you again. How much
pressure do you feel with this team putting it together?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know, you feel pressure, And I think in part, Dan,
it's just really the incredible legacy of USA basketball over
the last fifty years. With that success, that comes to expectations.
So yeah, this pressure, this is not I think I've
said this before. This is not ceremonial in any way,
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shape or form. The great thing is is that our players,
our coaches are accustomed to pressure. They've been in pressure moments.
They understand the enormity of this Olympic event, and they
welcome and embrace the pressure that exists with this team
and the expectations.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, what were you thinking when Team U, I say,
was down sixteen to South Sudan even though it was
considered it friendly.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I thought this was great for our team.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I thought to be able to sort of feel the pressure,
you know, was important. We had some really good moments
in our first three exhibition games. We didn't play that
great in the last two against one, against South Sudan
and against Germany, but I'm glad our guys got a
chance to experience it. You know, Greg Popovich has a
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saying that you always want to have the appropriate fear
of your opponents, and particularly in international basketball and international competition.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You know, you may look across.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The court and see guys, well you know, the role
players in the NBA or or what have you. But
in FEBA basketball, they play at another level and it's
a different style of game, it's officiated differently, and so
I think for us to feel that and we can
talk about it, we can, you know, we can certainly
watch it on film, but to feel how they play,
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to feel the passion and the spirit, I think it
was important for our guys and will help us as
we start things here on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Explain to the audience the difference in regular basketball, NBA
basketball and international play.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, you know, but first of all, it's a shorter
game and so there's fewer possessions, so every possession is golden.
I think in the NBA we tend to beat teams
with great individual.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Play, and to Feba style, if you will.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And a lot of these international teams they beat you
with great ball movement, player movement. They may not have
the one on one players, but it's the continuity, it's
the multiple movement. So you know the discipline required to
guard those multiple movements.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How much it infatiated though differently you said.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yet, oh, no question, I think there's greater physicality in
the FEBA game than in the NBA, although I thought
this last season, particularly at the end, the league made
some adjustments to allow for greater physicality. But you know,
most of these guys on our team are stars. They're
superstars on their team and in the league, and you
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know they're they're accustomed to maybe getting calls in the NBA. Well,
a lot of those calls aren't called in FEBA. If
you know, if you were going to make an assumption,
you may say, in the NBA, it's officiated sort of
in favor of the offensive player, and FOEBA its officiated
in favor of the defensive player. And so some of
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those just subtleties are nuances of the game. It's an
adjustment period. And the exhibition season, the five games, even
the last two were so important and so critical to
just not only feel it, but also just train our
minds to prepare for what we're going to see here
in Paris.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We're talking to Grant Hill. He helped put the team
together Team USA Managing director. All Right, explain the philosophy
of how you build the team that Jalen Brown didn't
make the roster, but his teammate Derek White does what
goes into that decision.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, as you brought that up. So you know, we
went to training camp and we didn't have Katie. Katie
was out, Kevin Durant, you know, sort of coming back
from a calf injury, and then Jason Tatum was late
for a rival. He didn't show up the first two
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or three days, so you know, we ended up having
to sort of play Anthony Davis and Bam Autobio together
and we didn't know if that would work. I think
going into camp, we thought, let's have three centers, much
like in ninety six when we had a team olajah On,
David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal, and we'll rotate. All three of
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them are different, they provide different things, and so we'll
have sort of a three headed monster at the center position.
But what we found because we didn't have the numbers
those first few days, was that bamount of Bayo and
Anthony Davis can really play well together on both ends
of the floor and at times might be our best
defensive lineup. So we kind of stumbled upon something and
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we learned something about our group during the UH during
you know, during those those four days in Vegas. And
so when we pivoted off of you know, off of
Kawhi Leonard, we said, okay, we got a little bit
of a log jam now at the four position. You know,
Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Jason Tatum, now Bam out of Baio.
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All these guys can play the four, and we envisioned
them playing the four, and so okay, let's not bring
another guy who might play that three four position in.
Let's bring in someone now who can really get us
great defense at the point of attack. That was also
a priority for putting this team together, being able to
pick up full court guard and pressure the point guards
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of opposing teams, and Drew Holliday might be the best
in the world at doing this. But having some injuries
that we had during camp. But what happens if Drew
gets hurt, you know, and so Derek White might be
the second best in the world at point of attack defense.
So that was sort of the thought process. But we
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really learned about our team those days in Vegas and
discovered something with bam Antebaio and Anthony Davis on the
court together that we really weren't thinking about prior to
our arrival in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Did you call Jalen Brown to telling or explain this too.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I spoke to his agent, and you know, I spoke
to his agent. We you know, I don't know if
that was before or after, you know, things went out
on Twitter. But but yeah, I mean I think this
idea that there's a conspiracy theory. I always love a
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good conspiracy theory. But you know, it was it was
really truly a basketball decision.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And these are tough decisions, you.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Know, and but having gone through this with the feeble competition,
you want to find the right balance and the right
pieces on the court that that we needed. And not
to say that he wouldn't have been good. There's a
lot of guys you can go on a list of
guys who are very capable and very very you know,
very qualified, but you know, for where we were, it
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was the right decision and Derek White, I think will
help us as we pursue goal.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I don't want to say how concerning, but how aware
is Team USA with the evolvement of like the best
players in the NBA probably the top five are not
from the United States, They're from other kindes. I know
this is you know, primarily because of ninety two with
the Dream Team, and we're starting to see that. But
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you know, there's a lot of great players. If you
go down that you know with Serbia on Sunday with
Joker and Jannis I mean Embiid is from another country
but playing for Team USA, Luca, I mean, go down
Shaye gilgis is from Canada. How A where are you
of this talent being developed? And how does Team you
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or how does USA basketball keep up with that talent?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Big what in the NBA has has really become a
global game, as you said, because of that ninety two team.
I think almost thirty percent of the players in the
NBA now are international players. So it speaks to the
growth of the game all over the world. You mentioned
those guys. Thankfully they're not all in the same country,
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you know, but you know, there there's there's an appropriate
fear of of of you know, of Serbia with Jokich,
of Canada with shaike Yio just Alexander and I do
feel like there's a feeling like, you know, there's something
to prove, like we want to show that, you know,
that we can still reign supreme. And the guys have
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talked about it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Now they've got to go out, why are they developing
these players? Like what are they doing differently in the
development of players that we're not doing in the United States.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't know if there's a concrete answer to that.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I do think that, look, you're pulling now from just
a you know, a larger pool of players. I mean,
if you're going to open up the game and popularize
the game, and you're going to expect to have players
from all over the world. Now, I will say, in
recent years, to your point, most of the NBA MVPs
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have been international. I think the last three or four
of them have been. And so, you know, we may
have to take a look at our grassroots model and
how we develop players, or it just could be, you know,
that was the trend and the next ten years we'll
get back to sort of having the premier sort of
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young talented players, dominant players in the NBA. But yeah, Jokich, Giannis,
Luca Shai, Gilgess, Alexander. I mean, those guys for the
last few years have been perennial first team all NBA's players,
and they deserved it. They played at an elite level.
So I don't know if I have the answer as
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to why that is, but it's certainly the case, and
certainly that we're all very much aware of.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
How strange is it to be looking at Lebron James
still out there playing the go to guy for this
team at his age, having played against well.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
He was the go to guy in those two games. Now,
I don't know if if that'll be the case. I mean,
I expect, you know, multiple guys we'll step up and
play big. But you know, Lebron has been fantastic from
day one, and you know, the first day of practice
in Las Vegas, you know, he had maybe twenty dunks
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in practice. You know, he's thirty nine and a half
years old and he's dunking everything, and probably he showed
up in the best shape. And the next day in
the cafeteria, I told him, I said, Lebron, you know,
when I was thirty nine and I played in the NBA,
I looked at it as I had twenty good jumps
for the entire season, and I didn't waste those jumps
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in practice, and you did twenty in one practice.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
And so but he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
He's, you know, shown that he has an incredible will
with his performance in our last two exhibition games.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
He's been a great leader.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He's been just a model citizen and certainly a great
ambassador for USA basketball.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Team USA.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Why didn't you shut him down when you were in Phoenix?
You were you were the guy who had to shut
down Lebron?
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Do I remember that? Crankly, I was not the.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Lebron stopper and you weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I guarded him, But I don't know if you could
say I shut him down?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
No, what a great assignment. You know, it's like Grant
you get Lebron.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You could say that, Yes, you know, it wasn't great
in the moment, but certainly what's great is that finally
we're on the same team, and you know, we've watched him.
Certainly the whole world has seen his greatness on display.
But to watch him up close and personal, to see
his consistency, to see his professionalism, to see his attitude,
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his leadership, it's even more impressive. And and we're gonna
need that as we go on this journey here these
next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You don't get a gold medal if Team USA gets
a gold medal.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
No, but I might create or make one for me
if we do.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Oh okay, even the coaches don't get a gold medal. Right,
it's just the players who get a gold medal.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It is just the athletes. Yes, now I did. I
do have one from ninety six. So that is one
of my great joys that I was able to participate
and win a gold medal.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, more important the gold medal or a national title
at Duke.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Oh wow, that's that's a great question. Probably the gold medal.
I mean, the national title was great, and certainly I'm
probably remembered more for that, But in the Olympics don't
come around often and and so that was truly one
of the highlights of my career, no question.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Duke in good hands with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yes, I mean, it's the talented group coming in the
come out here from South Houdan was.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Cooper good enough to make the Olympic team?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
No, No, he had I mean he had a good
day and he has some good moments.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But yeah, I mean he's he's going to have a
great college season, I hope, but I know he'll have
a great NBA year, NBA season. But no, I mean
he he he had a good day, he had a
really good day and uh and that was documented on
social media. People saw the clips. But he still has
some growth to do and I think he would acknowledge
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that as well. But you know, he may be a
guy that's in consideration in four years.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But how close is he to being great?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I think he is great. I mean I think he
is great. He'll be a great college player. I think
his game may even resonate and translate better on the
NBA stage. He's young, he's seventeen, so he's still learning.
Sometimes when you're young, you have no fear. You don't
you know, you don't even know you're supposed to be scared.
But he's got all the tools. He's got the mental
makeup too. He has, you know, some nasty in him.
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You know, he's not afraid.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Why it translate more to the NBA, you think than
one year at Duke.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, let me just say, the college game is a
little bit different, you know, the college game is. If anything,
the college game might be a little bit more like
the international, you know, it's it's definitely more ball movement.
It's the canzone. So the space and the pace and
the freedom and all that that happens.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
In the NBA game may be better suited for him.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
But I still expect him to have a great season
and lead Duke to a national champion.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. Grant.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
All right, Dan, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, if you were tired of Dallas Cowboy coverage, now
wait till the season starts, because every single game, win
or lose, it's going to be a topic of conversation
every Monday. It normally is on most networks, but now
it's going to be if DAK played well or didn't
play well, or CD did play well or didn't play well,
(17:02):
if he is playing MICHAEH. Parsons, Mike McCarthy's future. Get
ready for it, because it's going to be omnipresent, just
like this man, Ross Tucker, our good buddy Westwood won
CBS Sports NFL college football analyst. He does Eagles preseason
games and got promotion. I believe it's CBS.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
There.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Are you moving up the food chain at CBS?
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Yeah, I think so, Dan, it sounds like it. Last
year I was on the seventh crew for CBS, which
means you get three or four games. It depends on
which game they pick for Sunday Night Football in Week eighteen,
so I ended up getting three games. I also got
a bunch of really cool college games last year as well,
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and so this year I'm moving up to the sixth crew,
which don't quote me on this, I think it's somewhere
between seven to ten, maybe eight to eleven NFL games,
which is really cool, really exciting, and I'll have some
awesome college games as well this year, they haven't announced
that yet, so I'll wait and let let them announce that.
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But some really cool environments, some really cool football games
this year.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I'm already fired up.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
How about a round of applause for Ron's good time
big time? Todd said you wouldn't amount to anything, So that's.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
That was something off the record in private.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
This is what you do, okay, So explain this to
me with Jerry's logic of the Dallas Cowboys right now,
because now it's becoming a real thing. Most networks, most
radio or TV hosts, they try to troll people and
always include the Cowboys. Well, now it's becoming something because
Ceedee Lamb is holding out, Dak has to kind of
explain why he's not being extended, and Jerry's telling us
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that they don't have a lame duck coach and Mike McCarthy.
So what is real and what gets real bad anytime soon?
Speaker 8 (19:01):
And I'll add another one to that, Dan, which if
this were another team in another situation, would be being talked.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
About a lot more.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I think Micah Parsons is probably the best defensive player
in the NFL. Certainly if you look at the last
three years and you combine those three years. If I
were him Dan, and I know that I'm worth thirty
five million dollars a year, I'm not taking the field
this year without a new adjusted contract.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8 (19:30):
He should be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL.
The guy is ridiculous. And I don't really know what
Jerry or Steven Jones are talking about. When Jerry continually
talks about playing option quarterback, to me, that's kind of insulting.
I guess what he's saying is he wants the opportunity
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to move on from Dak. He wants the opportunity to
not have to pay ced Lamb. It's like, hey, Jerry,
they're kind of your best players, their top five at
marquee positions in the league. And the Steven Jones makes
it sound like it's impossible to pay, you know, more
than one player. He said, Well, the Vikings they pay Jefferson,
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but they're not paying anybody else. They just paid Christian Darisow,
the second highest paid left tackle in the league. They
and the Eagles, okay, have a fifty.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Plus million dollar quarterback. They have two wide.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Receivers making over twenty million dollars a year well over
twenty million dollars a year. They have the second highest
paid running back in Saquon Barkley, and they have three
three offensive linemen making over twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
It can be done. The earlier you do it, the
easier it is.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
To plan for it and structure it and plan around it.
The cow when Stephen Jones acts like they're in this
like Rubik's Cube impossible situation, all you have to look
at is the other really good team in the division
which doesn't have any contract issues because they take care
of it well in advance.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And that's what I've said before with Jerry. He did
this with DAK before. And the longer you wait, the
more it's going to cost you. Ceed Lamb, as soon
as aj Brown got his deal in Philadelphia, I would
have said, hey, come on in, here's the numbers paid him. Then,
if you want to get out ahead of Michael Parsons,
maybe you could have done that. But you know now
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it's going to be thirty five million.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
DAK.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Could you have done this a long time ago? Then
the answer is yes. Now, if I'm DAK, I say, well,
let me see what you know. Trevor Lawrence is going
to get or Justin Herbert's going to get. I would
have played the long game there. But I get the
feeling that Jerry is willing to move on from Mike
McCarthy and Dak Prescott not necessarily Ceedee Lamb and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
I think that there's so level of frustration with the
lack of playoff success that the Cowboys have had under
Dak Prescott as the quarterback. And you know, I don't
think they will verbalize this, but I think their thought
process is, hey, if he plays great again and we
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win a couple of playoff games, if we finally get
back to a conference championship game or maybe even a
super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Then we'll pay him whateveryone.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
They have more money than any other team.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
They can easily.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
They can give one hundred and fifty million dollar signing
bonus and spread out over six years. They're not worried
about somebody out bidding them for Dak. I think that
they are thinking, are we sure this is.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
What we want to do. They're going to give him
one more year.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
If he still can't get it done, I think they
might go with someone else. Dan for less money and say, listen,
we can.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Lose playoff games with somebody else with the roster we have.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's weird. I know this has been brought up before.
Might have been Dan Orlovsky who said this that he
doesn't know if Jerry is hell bent on winning winning
a Super Bowl as much as staying in the news
and having a team that is constantly talked about. Well,
he certainly has. That they haven't done anything in decades,
but they are the most talked about football team, the
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most popular football team. He's still making a lot of money,
and I I mean, I have a hard time believing
an owner like Jerry and his ego wouldn't want to
win another Super Bowl. But I mean he is making
a lot of money without winning anything, which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
You know, the thought has occurred to me, Dan. With
every passing year, it feels like you hear almost less
of a sense of urgency from Jerry Jones to get
back to the Super Bowl or win it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You would think it would be the opposite.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
He's in his eighties now, you know, you would think
that it would be I hire priority. But it's almost like,
and again he would never say this, it's almost like
they look at who's making the most money as being
who's really winning. I'm sure they want to win, and
they were disappointed by the Packers game and all that.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But after all these years, Dan, where.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
They've been in the mix, but they haven't been able
to get over the hump. And a lot of those
years credit to him. He's tried to bring in Roy Williams,
or he's tried to bring in one more guy to
get them over the hump. It's almost like he's resigned
himself to the fact that if you don't have Brady
or Mahomes, you're probably not getting over the hump anyway.
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So let's make as much money as we possibly can
by staying competitive and staying in the news.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And I brought this up to the Dan Etch that
I could see at least six teams interested in Dak Prescott.
Let's say after this year has another good year, maybe
MVP candidate again. Seattle would be interested, Raiders would be interested,
Titans would be interested. Who else? Did we come up
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with other teams that would be interested in Marvin?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
New York Giants?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Giants? Yes, Giants would be unbelievable, because I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Know, you know, I think is really interesting about that. Dan.
I was talking with somebody about this the other day.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
They were asked I think I was out on the
radio out in the Bay Area and they're asking me
about Purdy and what I think is really interesting when
you think of Tua's contract situation and a year from
now Perty's contract situation. We all agree that they're good
players and that they're very valuable to the teams that
they're currently on, But I really wonder what those guys
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would get on the open market.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I would worry with you.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I brought it up about Tua yesterday. He is more valuable,
you know, the value is to the Dolphins and vice versa,
not on the open market, because I don't know if
there's gonna be a anybody standing in line going, you
know what, we want to pay two sixty million dollars right.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Because think about that.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
I think the perception around the league is that he's
a very good timing and rhythm passer, and that might
mate the annul is excellent, and in that offense with
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle, he's flourishing. But you combine
the fact that he's not a second reaction player, and
that he might not do as well on a different
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system with the injury history. This is why that deal
with the Dolphins hasn't gotten done yet. It's because two
to zho once whatever, he wants fifty five million a
year whatever plus, and the Dolphins are sitting.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
There thinking, you know, to A, we really like you.
We're just not sure anybody else would give that to you.
Like who are we bidding against? Are we bidding against ourselves?
Right now?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
True? I agree that's where and I know agents want
to get the most. But we've talked about like what
Baker Mayfield did was really smart. You know, let me
find that middle ground. And you know, Mitch Trubisky if
he had done that, and he probably would have stayed
in Pittsburgh if he found a that's a sweet spot
for both of us instead of me wanting more than
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I really need. And I think that's does Rock Perdy
fall into that same category of like even now, do
you say, hey, you know what, let's start talking about
an extension and this is sort of the area where
we want to be or does he go, hey, screw
mister irrelevant. You know, I'm going to Super Bowls. I
want to be paid commensurate to that.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Well, So the thing that Perdy has in his favor
is that there are so many teams now running some
variation of the Shanahan offense. We know about all the
head coaches, but even like Zach Robinson is the OC
in Atlanta, right, So there's enough teams running that offense
that they could look at Purdy, I think, and say, well,
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in our offense, you know it's it's the same thing
or similar he could.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Operate at a really high level.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
But that's another one where the forty nine ers are
going to have to really think about this. I know
they value him. He's a really good player. They want
to keep him. But you know, he's not Mahomes. He's
not Josh Allen, He's not Lamar Jackson. He's not a
guy whose talent transcends the scheme. He's a guy that
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performs very well within that scheme.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
We're talking to Ross Tucker of Westwood One, CBS Sports,
College Football and NFL Ross Tucker Football Podcast. What is
John Harball talking about with his praise of Lamar Jackson, who,
once again every single training camp gets sick like he's
absent again. Every year he's been sick in training camp.
(28:51):
Whatever is happening, I don't know. It just seems odd.
But then he came out with so much praise for
Lamar Jackson, and it made it seem like everybody is
hating on Lamar Jackson. All we're asking is, if you
win an MVP, how about you flirt with a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I'm not exactly sure what's going on there.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
I will say, you know, off the top of my head,
I can remember very few quarterbacks that missed practice or
game time with stomach issues, and it's been Lamar like
three times, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
I don't know what he's eating or I don't know
if he look nowadays, what do they have all those
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different illnesses that they now have names of for people
with their stomach, you know, crones or silly act and maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
He has something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
I would just say it is unusual, you know how
often it seems like this happens to him, And you know,
I'm not overly concerned about missing a couple of practices,
but the guy's missed parts of games before. I mean,
we all seen the video where he's you know, going
to the bathroom in Cincinnati or wherever that was. You know,
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I think John Harball is just trying to defend his guy.
And I don't know what you say about somebody getting sick,
but I do think.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's not even that though, ROSSI, it's about your playoff record.
He's not good in the playoffs. They had a home
game against Kansas City last year. In the playoffs. You're
the MVP. You win those games. That's not a you know,
we're not going out of our way to criticize him,
but he I don't know if he feels that way.
But John Harball, I think was trying to get out
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in front of this and say, hey, he's he's going
to be. The vision is he'll be the greatest quarterback
to ever play.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
Yeah, that's a little bit much for me. You know,
if we go back to that game, I think we
all agree that Todd Monkin, the OC for the Ravens,
abandoned the run way too early. We have no idea
why he did that and why he didn't continue to.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Run the ball.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
But those are the game games Dan that everybody's watching,
and you can't watch that game and not think Mahomes
is just better. I mean, Lamar made some special plays.
But Mahomes seemingly I know he doesn't, but he seemingly
makes every clutch play, every third down, every fourth down.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Mahomes makes the play.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson, they're in the game and he's throwing
the ball in the end zone in the triple coverage.
You know, you know the way that I know he
was MVP Dan the games in January.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
And those that's the only games people remember.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Now.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
Nobody remembers anything from last regular season. They remember those
playoff games. They remember what Mahomes and Kelsey did, and
they remember what Lamar did.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And right or wrong, that's that's what we're gonna It's
the last thing we saw.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Always great to talk to you. We're just getting started
last weekend without football. It starts. It's on Red, it
is on Man.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Six days from now, there will be NFL players in
uniform on a field.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Thank you, Ross, have a great weekend.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah you too, Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That's Ross Tucker, CBS Sports. Well look at him getting
the promotion.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio. And the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mentioned Charles Barkley kind enough to join us. He
put out a statement kind of saying goodbye to TNT
this upcoming season and the NBA moving on as well.
Charles joining us on the program tough to read that.
I could feel the hurt in your voice there, So
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how you feel now?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
I just feel sadness for the people I work with.
You know, a lot of people, a lot of great
people gonna lose their job. You know, Dan, I've been
with these guys for twenty four years. You see here,
you see them have kids, you see him graduate high school,
you see him gradu away college. So it's just a
sad day for everybody at TNT. I just feel I
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just feel sadness. I'm not worried about me, Shaq, Kenny
and Ernie, but I'm really concerned about the people behind
the scenes because you know then, and what's really awkward
about it, we got one more year, so these guys
are gonna have to be like, wait a minute, I
normally get fired in a year. What do I do
(33:25):
do I look for other opportunities that might dry up
in a year, so that that what really sucks for
the people behind the.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Scenes, how did we get to this point?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Money?
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Uh, the money's just gotten gotten so astronomical, and the
owners want they need this money to pay these players,
and the fans are a big loser, but they need
this money to pay the players. Then I was telling
some friends of mine, you know how old I am.
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I remember the first time NBA player that made a
million dollars. We were going around the locker room high
five in each other and I'm talking like, I mean hey,
And then I'm in the locker room with Doctor J Moses,
Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Tony, Clement Johnson, all these guys. We're like,
we can't This was like eighty six, eighty seven. I
think the first time an NBA player made a million dollars.
(34:19):
We were highly like, we can't believe it. And now
a million dollars. That's pre Beem.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Your boss at TNT probably didn't help the cause when
he said that we don't need the NBA. So I
wonder what the priority was with the NBA, Like we wanted,
but we wanted at a certain price.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
Yeah, there's not a lot of talk about that. To
be honest with you, did they have something to do
with it, not really, because we did say we would
match so so yeah, but they didn't give us an opportunity.
What I really think happened was because they bought it
a no other partner. This was a last ditch cash
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grab by the NBA and the players. That's why I
think they signed an eleven year deal. Say they're like, hey,
let's get as much money as we possibly can right now.
This is gonna be our last bite of the apple
because T and T abcsp and they're not gonna pay
(35:23):
more money going forward. That's why I think they're like, hey,
you know what, let's get in bed and I don't.
I'm not blame because I love Adam. I love Adam.
Hey let's get in bed with the streaming because that's
what they're going to be the only people who can
afford us in eleven years. That's just my honest opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
All right, So what are you going to do when
this upcoming season is over?
Speaker 9 (35:47):
You know my intention right now is to retire. So Dan,
I've never said this before. What I'll share with you
because you know, I got a lot of love for you.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
So my deal.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
There's been a lot of numbers thrown around about my deal,
which I always find fascinating, but I've never told people
exactly what my deal was. So my deal is ten years,
two hundred and ten million dollars. We're in next year'll
be year three. Turner has to come to me today
(36:18):
or next week and say, hey, we screwed up? Will
you take a pay cut?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Am I?
Speaker 9 (36:29):
So they either gonna have to guarantee the whole ten
years to ten or they're gonna have to make ask
me to take a pay cut, which under no circumstances
am I taking a pay cut? Zero chances of me
taking a pay cut. So then I'll be i'most say
(36:50):
I'm gonna politely decline taking a pay cut because TNT
has been great to me, And they gonna have to
say we're gonna guarantee the too ten or Charles Wade
Barkley's gonna be a free agent after next year. So
it's gonna be a very interesting next few days. But
that's the way my deal. I structured my contract. They
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wanted me. I was like, wait, if y'all lose the NBA,
why should I get screwed? I said that it's like, well,
let's make a let's come to some type of agreement.
I said, the agreement is OI, we get to make
you an offer. I said, that's fine, I'm gonna turn
it down because I'm not taking no pay cut because
y'all screwed up.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And uh so that's where we're at.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
DAN.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
So apparently unless they, like I say, they can, but
I don't see them guaranteeing it, to be honest, because
they don't really have anything. So I think I'm gonna
be a free agent next summer and I'm gonna have
to sit back and, like I say, right now, I'm
not trying to be this or this or this right now,
my intention is to retire because then, yeah, I mean,
you've done it quite a few times, and Fairness went
(37:55):
to another network started over. I'm not sure. I love
T and T so much and people here. I don't
know if I want to go to another network. Like
I'll never say never, but right now, my intention is
to stay to Less and go out with a bang.
We're gonna give everything we got next year because out
of lowty to the NBA and their fans. And I
want to say to something all the fans out there, man,
(38:16):
you guys been great.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
You guys been great to me.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
Uh, you know, when I was in Tahoo a couple
of weeks ago, everybody saying, guys, don't go us to
do we don't want to go, but we're going. Hey
in first of all, I me saying, this is like
the worst kept secret in the history of force broadcasting.
Like we knew we were done like five six months ago.
They're like, well, we're still alive. We're still alive. Like, yo, man,
(38:41):
please stop lying to us. We know it's over, just
go ahead and announce it. So there is a sense
of relief, to be honest with you, to the employees,
because I've been spending a lot of time with the
employees lately, and they just wanted it to be over
because they got to start planning for their future.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, but why can't you guys still do your show?
If I'm Amazon, why wouldn't Amazon say, why don't we
capitalize on the best you know, pregame show that there
is out there and bring you guys in, keep everybody
in Atlanta, keep all the producers, and you guys, you know,
just produce your show.
Speaker 9 (39:19):
Well, first of all, you have to ask Ernie that,
because Ernie is the guy who probably would never leave Turner.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But Dan, everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Have you has somebody spoken to Amazon?
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I have spoken to all three networks, so.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You spoke to Amazon.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I have spoke to all three networks, so.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
You spoke to Amazon.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
I have spoke to all three networks. Dan, who got
the NBA going forward?
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I know Amazon? Amazon is where you. Let me say this,
I have spoken for the last three months. I've spoken
to all the networks.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That doesn't sound like somebody gonna retire.
Speaker 9 (40:01):
Well, Dan, I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna listen. I mean,
first of all, i'd be stupid not to take their call.
But the beauty of this situation I don't have to
make any decisions for a year, Dan, But I told
all three networks, Hey, I'm honored, I'm flattered that y'all
want to talk to me. But let's see what happens
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in a year. So that's the great thing about it.
From my perspective, I don't have to make any decisions
for a year. But like I say, my intention, I'm
not trying to play hardball. I'm not trying to get attention.
My attention right now is to retire. Like I say,
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Ernie would never go to another network. I have not
talked to Kenny and Shaq, but I have listened to everybody,
and like I say, I got a year, Dan, I
ain't got to worry about this is all this stuff
is just knowing for a year.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
To be honest with you, Okay, would you go someplace
without Ernie or without let's say Shaq and Kenny. Let's
say Ernie is not leaving, staying TNT Atlanta. Would you
on your own go to another network to be part
of their NBA broadcast.
Speaker 9 (41:17):
I'm not frozen. I'm thinking that's a great question, Dan.
I don't know how to answer that question. You know,
I ain't gonna never lie to you. I don't know
how to answer that question right now because I don't know.
First of all, I don't know who's got what going forward.
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Like when I have these conversations with these companies, they're like,
we're finalizing what we're going to have, So I would
have to sit back. Hey, ESPN, tell me what you
guys got and what you want me to do. Amazon,
tell me what you got and what you want me
to do. NBC tell me what you got and what
you want.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Me to do.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
Until they finalize what they got because there was rumors
when we would like, we're gonna lose the conf even
if we retain the NBA, we're gonna lose the day
of the week. We're gonna lose the conference finals every
other year. So when I talk to these companies, I say,
(42:19):
get back to me when you know what you got.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
That's fair. Amazon's got the money, though.
Speaker 9 (42:29):
Dan, everybody's got money. They're paying two billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
No, no, no, no, Amazon's got money.
Speaker 9 (42:35):
Hey, I'd be a fool not to say. I'm God,
I don't listen to Amazon. I'm not that stupid.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I agree. I think you're gonna continue to do it.
You got to talk to somebody. I mean I do, Dan,
I talk to them all. No, no, no, I'm saying you.
You have to have an audience to talk to.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Dan. I'm six or two.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
I'm six years older than you, and I still need
an audience to talk to.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
And so do you. Man. You know what I want
to tell you something? You a coward too.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I saw you play in Tahoe. Oh my god, you
have no business talking about anything.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Oh let me tell you something, my bag.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
No that there was five people who said to me, man,
you gotta get Damn Patrick back out here.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
I'm telling you there's five people. I said.
Speaker 9 (43:25):
Dan Patrick is a coward. He is scared to play
golf on television. He has an open invitation. But I said,
Dad Hay said, I love Dan, but Damn just a coward.
Because I know what happened. I remember the last time
you played in Tahoe. Them little putts that they give
you at the country club, that you kept three putting
from like two inches. Hey, if to look a shock
(43:48):
on your face when you we wouldn't give you gimmes
and you were three putton.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
It was one of the best things I've seen in
my life. You just yipping. You have to yip some
of these little tap ends you were.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You were right, But I still beat you.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
You can't beat me down.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I beat you back then.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Look you playing the bands I've ever played in my life.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Right now, Well, that's not very good. I saw the highlights.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
I came in fifty second. Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Now I'm nervous.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Damn I beat So you know in the casino you
could bet on me. I finally beat the odds. You know,
you had Chegs Barkley Company in the top seventy and
the last two years, I came in like seventy second.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
This year I played the best I ever played.
Speaker 9 (44:31):
I want a lot of people money, brother, I came
in fifty second out of ninety. Now, anytime you want
to come, I'll call NBC. You Dan, Please come on,
come on, Dan, come on, don't be a coward. You
can play with me to come on.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
All right, loser has to retire.
Speaker 9 (44:51):
I'll tell you what you know I've never done. I've
never done a radio show from my house. I'll let
you do your show for a week.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
You know you said that before and then you were
a coward. You left and went to Vegas.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Well, I go to Vegas every year.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
No, did you invite us to your house in when
we were going out for the Arizona Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, but I wasn't in town.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
We said we'll still go there, and you go, no,
I'm in Vegas. That's a coward.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I've been twenty eight straight years to Vegas for the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Why would you invite us?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Well, because I thought if I'm in town, but.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
You're never there in town. It was a faux invitation
by you.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
Great brother, you got to open up tations. I let
you in a Barkley compound. You know I love your guy.
We can do it one show from We can do
it from my tennis court.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I don't care about your tennis court. You got anything
else there?
Speaker 9 (45:48):
I got a guest house, a pued and Green. I
got some bunkers and pedd and green. Apparently I got
a nice house. I just saw it on the internet
the other day.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Well, you're making twenty million dollars a year, you should be.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
Well, I'm blessed.
Speaker 9 (46:09):
Hey, hey Dan, Yeah, well hey, I was until you.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
You got one more year making twenty million. Hey, twenty
one million, Dan, twenty one million. Don't cheat me out
of a million, dude. You could get thirty million dollars
a year. Well, you could get thirty million.
Speaker 9 (46:30):
Well, I look forward to hearing those offers out. I'm
just going to enjoy my last year Turner because it's amazing. Hey, listen,
money will not beat it if if if I keep working,
money will not be to decide. In fact, the work
schedule will be.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, that's where you dictate what you want to do.
Speaker 9 (46:51):
That's why I say it. That's why I keep my
options open with all three networks.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Brother, I don't know why we're yelling at each other.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
We're not yelling each other. Were having a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Did conversation Yes, thanks again for joining us.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
No, thanks for having me, Dan, You're the best. Tell
everybody I said Hello, everybody, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Thank you, buddy,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grad Hill is joining US Hall of Famer Team USA
Basketball managing director, seven time NBA on star, won a
couple of titles at Duke. And now you put together
Team US say, good to see you again. How much
pressure do you feel with this team putting it together?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know, you feel pressure, And I think in part, Dan,
it's just really the incredible legacy of USA basketball over
the last fifty years. With that success, that comes to expectations.
So yeah, this pressure, this is not I think I've
said this before. This is not ceremonial in any way,
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shape or form. The great thing is is that our players,
our coaches are accustomed to pressure. They've been in pressure moments.
They understand the enormity of this Olympic event, and they
welcome and embrace the pressure that exists with this team
and the expectations.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, what were you thinking when Team U, I say,
was down sixteen to South Sudan even though it was
considered it friendly.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I thought this was great for our team.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I thought to be able to sort of feel the pressure,
you know, was important. We had some really good moments
in our first three exhibition games. We didn't play that
great in the last two against one, against South Sudan
and against Germany, but I'm glad our guys got a
chance to experience it. You know, Greg Popovich has a
(01:32):
saying that you always want to have the appropriate fear
of your opponents, and particularly in international basketball and international competition.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You know, you may look across.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The court and see guys, well you know, the role
players in the NBA or or what have you. But
in FEBA basketball, they play at another level and it's
a different style of game, it's officiated differently, and so
I think for us to feel that and we can
talk about it, we can, you know, we can certainly
watch it on film, but to feel how they play,
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to feel the passion and the spirit, I think it
was important for our guys and will help us as
we start things here on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Explain to the audience the difference in regular basketball, NBA
basketball and international play.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, you know, but first of all, it's a shorter
game and so there's fewer possessions, so every possession is golden.
I think in the NBA we tend to beat teams
with great individual.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Play, and to Feba style, if you will.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And a lot of these international teams they beat you
with great ball movement, player movement. They may not have
the one on one players, but it's the continuity, it's
the multiple movement. So you know the discipline required to
guard those multiple movements.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How much it infatiated though differently you said.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yet, oh, no question, I think there's greater physicality in
the FEBA game than in the NBA, although I thought
this last season, particularly at the end, the league made
some adjustments to allow for greater physicality. But you know,
most of these guys on our team are stars. They're
superstars on their team and in the league, and you
(03:21):
know they're they're accustomed to maybe getting calls in the NBA. Well,
a lot of those calls aren't called in FEBA. If
you know, if you were going to make an assumption,
you may say, in the NBA, it's officiated sort of
in favor of the offensive player, and FOEBA its officiated
in favor of the defensive player. And so some of
(03:42):
those just subtleties are nuances of the game. It's an
adjustment period. And the exhibition season, the five games, even
the last two were so important and so critical to
just not only feel it, but also just train our
minds to prepare for what we're going to see here
in Paris.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We're talking to Grant Hill. He helped put the team
together Team USA Managing director. All Right, explain the philosophy
of how you build the team that Jalen Brown didn't
make the roster, but his teammate Derek White does what
goes into that decision.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, as you brought that up. So you know, we
went to training camp and we didn't have Katie. Katie
was out, Kevin Durant, you know, sort of coming back
from a calf injury, and then Jason Tatum was late
for a rival. He didn't show up the first two
(04:41):
or three days, so you know, we ended up having
to sort of play Anthony Davis and Bam Autobio together
and we didn't know if that would work. I think
going into camp, we thought, let's have three centers, much
like in ninety six when we had a team olajah On,
David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal, and we'll rotate. All three of
(05:02):
them are different, they provide different things, and so we'll
have sort of a three headed monster at the center position.
But what we found because we didn't have the numbers
those first few days, was that bamount of Bayo and
Anthony Davis can really play well together on both ends
of the floor and at times might be our best
defensive lineup. So we kind of stumbled upon something and
(05:24):
we learned something about our group during the UH during
you know, during those those four days in Vegas. And
so when we pivoted off of you know, off of
Kawhi Leonard, we said, okay, we got a little bit
of a log jam now at the four position. You know,
Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Jason Tatum, now Bam out of Baio.
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All these guys can play the four, and we envisioned
them playing the four, and so okay, let's not bring
another guy who might play that three four position in.
Let's bring in someone now who can really get us
great defense at the point of attack. That was also
a priority for putting this team together, being able to
pick up full court guard and pressure the point guards
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of opposing teams, and Drew Holliday might be the best
in the world at doing this. But having some injuries
that we had during camp. But what happens if Drew
gets hurt, you know, and so Derek White might be
the second best in the world at point of attack defense.
So that was sort of the thought process. But we
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really learned about our team those days in Vegas and
discovered something with bam Antebaio and Anthony Davis on the
court together that we really weren't thinking about prior to
our arrival in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Did you call Jalen Brown to telling or explain this too.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I spoke to his agent, and you know, I spoke
to his agent. We you know, I don't know if
that was before or after, you know, things went out
on Twitter. But but yeah, I mean I think this
idea that there's a conspiracy theory. I always love a
(07:10):
good conspiracy theory. But you know, it was it was
really truly a basketball decision.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And these are tough decisions, you.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Know, and but having gone through this with the feeble competition,
you want to find the right balance and the right
pieces on the court that that we needed. And not
to say that he wouldn't have been good. There's a
lot of guys you can go on a list of
guys who are very capable and very very you know,
very qualified, but you know, for where we were, it
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was the right decision and Derek White, I think will
help us as we pursue goal.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I don't want to say how concerning, but how aware
is Team USA with the evolvement of like the best
players in the NBA probably the top five are not
from the United States, They're from other kindes. I know
this is you know, primarily because of ninety two with
the Dream Team, and we're starting to see that. But
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you know, there's a lot of great players. If you
go down that you know with Serbia on Sunday with
Joker and Jannis I mean Embiid is from another country
but playing for Team USA, Luca, I mean, go down
Shaye gilgis is from Canada. How A where are you
of this talent being developed? And how does Team you
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or how does USA basketball keep up with that talent?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Big what in the NBA has has really become a
global game, as you said, because of that ninety two team.
I think almost thirty percent of the players in the
NBA now are international players. So it speaks to the
growth of the game all over the world. You mentioned
those guys. Thankfully they're not all in the same country,
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you know, but you know, there there's there's an appropriate
fear of of of you know, of Serbia with Jokich,
of Canada with shaike Yio just Alexander and I do
feel like there's a feeling like, you know, there's something
to prove, like we want to show that, you know,
that we can still reign supreme. And the guys have
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talked about it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Now they've got to go out, why are they developing
these players? Like what are they doing differently in the
development of players that we're not doing in the United States.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't know if there's a concrete answer to that.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I do think that, look, you're pulling now from just
a you know, a larger pool of players. I mean,
if you're going to open up the game and popularize
the game, and you're going to expect to have players
from all over the world. Now, I will say, in
recent years, to your point, most of the NBA MVPs
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have been international. I think the last three or four
of them have been. And so, you know, we may
have to take a look at our grassroots model and
how we develop players, or it just could be, you know,
that was the trend and the next ten years we'll
get back to sort of having the premier sort of
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young talented players, dominant players in the NBA. But yeah, Jokich, Giannis,
Luca Shai, Gilgess, Alexander. I mean, those guys for the
last few years have been perennial first team all NBA's players,
and they deserved it. They played at an elite level.
So I don't know if I have the answer as
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to why that is, but it's certainly the case, and
certainly that we're all very much aware of.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
How strange is it to be looking at Lebron James
still out there playing the go to guy for this
team at his age, having played against well.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
He was the go to guy in those two games. Now,
I don't know if if that'll be the case. I mean,
I expect, you know, multiple guys we'll step up and
play big. But you know, Lebron has been fantastic from
day one, and you know, the first day of practice
in Las Vegas, you know, he had maybe twenty dunks
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in practice. You know, he's thirty nine and a half
years old and he's dunking everything, and probably he showed
up in the best shape. And the next day in
the cafeteria, I told him, I said, Lebron, you know,
when I was thirty nine and I played in the NBA,
I looked at it as I had twenty good jumps
for the entire season, and I didn't waste those jumps
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in practice, and you did twenty in one practice.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
And so but he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
He's, you know, shown that he has an incredible will
with his performance in our last two exhibition games.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
He's been a great leader.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He's been just a model citizen and certainly a great
ambassador for USA basketball.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Team USA.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Why didn't you shut him down when you were in Phoenix?
You were you were the guy who had to shut
down Lebron?
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Do I remember that? Crankly, I was not the.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Lebron stopper and you weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I guarded him, But I don't know if you could
say I shut him down?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
No, what a great assignment. You know, it's like Grant
you get Lebron.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You could say that, Yes, you know, it wasn't great
in the moment, but certainly what's great is that finally
we're on the same team, and you know, we've watched him.
Certainly the whole world has seen his greatness on display.
But to watch him up close and personal, to see
his consistency, to see his professionalism, to see his attitude,
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his leadership, it's even more impressive. And and we're gonna
need that as we go on this journey here these
next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You don't get a gold medal if Team USA gets
a gold medal.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
No, but I might create or make one for me
if we do.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Oh okay, even the coaches don't get a gold medal. Right,
it's just the players who get a gold medal.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It is just the athletes. Yes, now I did. I
do have one from ninety six. So that is one
of my great joys that I was able to participate
and win a gold medal.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, more important the gold medal or a national title
at Duke.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Oh wow, that's that's a great question. Probably the gold medal.
I mean, the national title was great, and certainly I'm
probably remembered more for that, But in the Olympics don't
come around often and and so that was truly one
of the highlights of my career, no question.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Duke in good hands with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yes, I mean, it's the talented group coming in the
come out here from South Houdan was.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Cooper good enough to make the Olympic team?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
No, No, he had I mean he had a good
day and he has some good moments.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But yeah, I mean he's he's going to have a
great college season, I hope, but I know he'll have
a great NBA year, NBA season. But no, I mean
he he he had a good day, he had a
really good day and uh and that was documented on
social media. People saw the clips. But he still has
some growth to do and I think he would acknowledge
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that as well. But you know, he may be a
guy that's in consideration in four years.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But how close is he to being great?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I think he is great. I mean I think he
is great. He'll be a great college player. I think
his game may even resonate and translate better on the
NBA stage. He's young, he's seventeen, so he's still learning.
Sometimes when you're young, you have no fear. You don't
you know, you don't even know you're supposed to be scared.
But he's got all the tools. He's got the mental
makeup too. He has, you know, some nasty in him.
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You know, he's not afraid.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Why it translate more to the NBA, you think than
one year at Duke.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, let me just say, the college game is a
little bit different, you know, the college game is. If anything,
the college game might be a little bit more like
the international, you know, it's it's definitely more ball movement.
It's the canzone. So the space and the pace and
the freedom and all that that happens.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
In the NBA game may be better suited for him.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
But I still expect him to have a great season
and lead Duke to a national champion.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. Grant.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
All right, Dan, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, if you were tired of Dallas Cowboy coverage, now
wait till the season starts, because every single game, win
or lose, it's going to be a topic of conversation
every Monday. It normally is on most networks, but now
it's going to be if DAK played well or didn't
play well, or CD did play well or didn't play well,
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if he is playing MICHAEH. Parsons, Mike McCarthy's future. Get
ready for it, because it's going to be omnipresent, just
like this man, Ross Tucker, our good buddy Westwood won
CBS Sports NFL college football analyst. He does Eagles preseason
games and got promotion. I believe it's CBS.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
There.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Are you moving up the food chain at CBS?
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Yeah, I think so, Dan, it sounds like it. Last
year I was on the seventh crew for CBS, which
means you get three or four games. It depends on
which game they pick for Sunday Night Football in Week eighteen,
so I ended up getting three games. I also got
a bunch of really cool college games last year as well,
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and so this year I'm moving up to the sixth crew,
which don't quote me on this, I think it's somewhere
between seven to ten, maybe eight to eleven NFL games,
which is really cool, really exciting, and I'll have some
awesome college games as well this year, they haven't announced
that yet, so I'll wait and let let them announce that.
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But some really cool environments, some really cool football games
this year.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I'm already fired up.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
How about a round of applause for Ron's good time
big time? Todd said you wouldn't amount to anything, So that's.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
That was something off the record in private.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
This is what you do, okay, So explain this to
me with Jerry's logic of the Dallas Cowboys right now,
because now it's becoming a real thing. Most networks, most
radio or TV hosts, they try to troll people and
always include the Cowboys. Well, now it's becoming something because
Ceedee Lamb is holding out, Dak has to kind of
explain why he's not being extended, and Jerry's telling us
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that they don't have a lame duck coach and Mike McCarthy.
So what is real and what gets real bad anytime soon?
Speaker 8 (19:01):
And I'll add another one to that, Dan, which if
this were another team in another situation, would be being talked.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
About a lot more.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I think Micah Parsons is probably the best defensive player
in the NFL. Certainly if you look at the last
three years and you combine those three years. If I
were him Dan, and I know that I'm worth thirty
five million dollars a year, I'm not taking the field
this year without a new adjusted contract.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8 (19:30):
He should be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL.
The guy is ridiculous. And I don't really know what
Jerry or Steven Jones are talking about. When Jerry continually
talks about playing option quarterback, to me, that's kind of insulting.
I guess what he's saying is he wants the opportunity
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to move on from Dak. He wants the opportunity to
not have to pay ced Lamb. It's like, hey, Jerry,
they're kind of your best players, their top five at
marquee positions in the league. And the Steven Jones makes
it sound like it's impossible to pay, you know, more
than one player. He said, Well, the Vikings they pay Jefferson,
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but they're not paying anybody else. They just paid Christian Darisow,
the second highest paid left tackle in the league. They
and the Eagles, okay, have a fifty.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Plus million dollar quarterback. They have two wide.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Receivers making over twenty million dollars a year well over
twenty million dollars a year. They have the second highest
paid running back in Saquon Barkley, and they have three
three offensive linemen making over twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
It can be done. The earlier you do it, the
easier it is.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
To plan for it and structure it and plan around it.
The cow when Stephen Jones acts like they're in this
like Rubik's Cube impossible situation, all you have to look
at is the other really good team in the division
which doesn't have any contract issues because they take care
of it well in advance.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And that's what I've said before with Jerry. He did
this with DAK before. And the longer you wait, the
more it's going to cost you. Ceed Lamb, as soon
as aj Brown got his deal in Philadelphia, I would
have said, hey, come on in, here's the numbers paid him. Then,
if you want to get out ahead of Michael Parsons,
maybe you could have done that. But you know now
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it's going to be thirty five million.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
DAK.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Could you have done this a long time ago? Then
the answer is yes. Now, if I'm DAK, I say, well,
let me see what you know. Trevor Lawrence is going
to get or Justin Herbert's going to get. I would
have played the long game there. But I get the
feeling that Jerry is willing to move on from Mike
McCarthy and Dak Prescott not necessarily Ceedee Lamb and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
I think that there's so level of frustration with the
lack of playoff success that the Cowboys have had under
Dak Prescott as the quarterback. And you know, I don't
think they will verbalize this, but I think their thought
process is, hey, if he plays great again and we
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win a couple of playoff games, if we finally get
back to a conference championship game or maybe even a
super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Then we'll pay him whateveryone.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
They have more money than any other team.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
They can easily.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
They can give one hundred and fifty million dollar signing
bonus and spread out over six years. They're not worried
about somebody out bidding them for Dak. I think that
they are thinking, are we sure this is.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
What we want to do. They're going to give him
one more year.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
If he still can't get it done, I think they
might go with someone else. Dan for less money and say, listen,
we can.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Lose playoff games with somebody else with the roster we have.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's weird. I know this has been brought up before.
Might have been Dan Orlovsky who said this that he
doesn't know if Jerry is hell bent on winning winning
a Super Bowl as much as staying in the news
and having a team that is constantly talked about. Well,
he certainly has. That they haven't done anything in decades,
but they are the most talked about football team, the
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most popular football team. He's still making a lot of money,
and I I mean, I have a hard time believing
an owner like Jerry and his ego wouldn't want to
win another Super Bowl. But I mean he is making
a lot of money without winning anything, which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
You know, the thought has occurred to me, Dan. With
every passing year, it feels like you hear almost less
of a sense of urgency from Jerry Jones to get
back to the Super Bowl or win it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You would think it would be the opposite.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
He's in his eighties now, you know, you would think
that it would be I hire priority. But it's almost like,
and again he would never say this, it's almost like
they look at who's making the most money as being
who's really winning. I'm sure they want to win, and
they were disappointed by the Packers game and all that.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But after all these years, Dan, where.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
They've been in the mix, but they haven't been able
to get over the hump. And a lot of those
years credit to him. He's tried to bring in Roy Williams,
or he's tried to bring in one more guy to
get them over the hump. It's almost like he's resigned
himself to the fact that if you don't have Brady
or Mahomes, you're probably not getting over the hump anyway.
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So let's make as much money as we possibly can
by staying competitive and staying in the news.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And I brought this up to the Dan Etch that
I could see at least six teams interested in Dak Prescott.
Let's say after this year has another good year, maybe
MVP candidate again. Seattle would be interested, Raiders would be interested,
Titans would be interested. Who else? Did we come up
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with other teams that would be interested in Marvin?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
New York Giants?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Giants? Yes, Giants would be unbelievable, because I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Know, you know, I think is really interesting about that. Dan.
I was talking with somebody about this the other day.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
They were asked I think I was out on the
radio out in the Bay Area and they're asking me
about Purdy and what I think is really interesting when
you think of Tua's contract situation and a year from
now Perty's contract situation. We all agree that they're good
players and that they're very valuable to the teams that
they're currently on, But I really wonder what those guys
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would get on the open market.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I would worry with you.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I brought it up about Tua yesterday. He is more valuable,
you know, the value is to the Dolphins and vice versa,
not on the open market, because I don't know if
there's gonna be a anybody standing in line going, you
know what, we want to pay two sixty million dollars right.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Because think about that.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
I think the perception around the league is that he's
a very good timing and rhythm passer, and that might
mate the annul is excellent, and in that offense with
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle, he's flourishing. But you combine
the fact that he's not a second reaction player, and
that he might not do as well on a different
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system with the injury history. This is why that deal
with the Dolphins hasn't gotten done yet. It's because two
to zho once whatever, he wants fifty five million a
year whatever plus, and the Dolphins are sitting.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
There thinking, you know, to A, we really like you.
We're just not sure anybody else would give that to you.
Like who are we bidding against? Are we bidding against ourselves?
Right now?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
True? I agree that's where and I know agents want
to get the most. But we've talked about like what
Baker Mayfield did was really smart. You know, let me
find that middle ground. And you know, Mitch Trubisky if
he had done that, and he probably would have stayed
in Pittsburgh if he found a that's a sweet spot
for both of us instead of me wanting more than
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I really need. And I think that's does Rock Perdy
fall into that same category of like even now, do
you say, hey, you know what, let's start talking about
an extension and this is sort of the area where
we want to be or does he go, hey, screw
mister irrelevant. You know, I'm going to Super Bowls. I
want to be paid commensurate to that.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Well, So the thing that Perdy has in his favor
is that there are so many teams now running some
variation of the Shanahan offense. We know about all the
head coaches, but even like Zach Robinson is the OC
in Atlanta, right, So there's enough teams running that offense
that they could look at Purdy, I think, and say, well,
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in our offense, you know it's it's the same thing
or similar he could.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Operate at a really high level.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
But that's another one where the forty nine ers are
going to have to really think about this. I know
they value him. He's a really good player. They want
to keep him. But you know, he's not Mahomes. He's
not Josh Allen, He's not Lamar Jackson. He's not a
guy whose talent transcends the scheme. He's a guy that
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performs very well within that scheme.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
We're talking to Ross Tucker of Westwood One, CBS Sports,
College Football and NFL Ross Tucker Football Podcast. What is
John Harball talking about with his praise of Lamar Jackson, who,
once again every single training camp gets sick like he's
absent again. Every year he's been sick in training camp.
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Whatever is happening, I don't know. It just seems odd.
But then he came out with so much praise for
Lamar Jackson, and it made it seem like everybody is
hating on Lamar Jackson. All we're asking is, if you
win an MVP, how about you flirt with a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I'm not exactly sure what's going on there.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
I will say, you know, off the top of my head,
I can remember very few quarterbacks that missed practice or
game time with stomach issues, and it's been Lamar like
three times, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
I don't know what he's eating or I don't know
if he look nowadays, what do they have all those
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different illnesses that they now have names of for people
with their stomach, you know, crones or silly act and maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
He has something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
I would just say it is unusual, you know how
often it seems like this happens to him, And you know,
I'm not overly concerned about missing a couple of practices,
but the guy's missed parts of games before. I mean,
we all seen the video where he's you know, going
to the bathroom in Cincinnati or wherever that was. You know,
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I think John Harball is just trying to defend his guy.
And I don't know what you say about somebody getting sick,
but I do think.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's not even that though, ROSSI, it's about your playoff record.
He's not good in the playoffs. They had a home
game against Kansas City last year. In the playoffs. You're
the MVP. You win those games. That's not a you know,
we're not going out of our way to criticize him,
but he I don't know if he feels that way.
But John Harball, I think was trying to get out
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in front of this and say, hey, he's he's going
to be. The vision is he'll be the greatest quarterback
to ever play.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
Yeah, that's a little bit much for me. You know,
if we go back to that game, I think we
all agree that Todd Monkin, the OC for the Ravens,
abandoned the run way too early. We have no idea
why he did that and why he didn't continue to.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Run the ball.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
But those are the game games Dan that everybody's watching,
and you can't watch that game and not think Mahomes
is just better. I mean, Lamar made some special plays.
But Mahomes seemingly I know he doesn't, but he seemingly
makes every clutch play, every third down, every fourth down.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Mahomes makes the play.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson, they're in the game and he's throwing
the ball in the end zone in the triple coverage.
You know, you know the way that I know he
was MVP Dan the games in January.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
And those that's the only games people remember.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Now.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
Nobody remembers anything from last regular season. They remember those
playoff games. They remember what Mahomes and Kelsey did, and
they remember what Lamar did.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And right or wrong, that's that's what we're gonna It's
the last thing we saw.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Always great to talk to you. We're just getting started
last weekend without football. It starts. It's on Red, it
is on Man.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Six days from now, there will be NFL players in
uniform on a field.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Thank you, Ross, have a great weekend.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah you too, Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That's Ross Tucker, CBS Sports. Well look at him getting
the promotion.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mentioned Charles Barkley kind enough to join us. He
put out a statement kind of saying goodbye to TNT
this upcoming season and the NBA moving on as well.
Charles joining us on the program tough to read that.
I could feel the hurt in your voice there, So
(32:42):
how you feel now?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
I just feel sadness for the people I work with.
You know, a lot of people, a lot of great
people gonna lose their job. You know, Dan, I've been
with these guys for twenty four years. You see here,
you see them have kids, you see him graduate high school,
you see him gradu away college. So it's just a
sad day for everybody at TNT. I just feel I
(33:05):
just feel sadness. I'm not worried about me, Shaq, Kenny
and Ernie, but I'm really concerned about the people behind
the scenes because you know then, and what's really awkward
about it, we got one more year, so these guys
are gonna have to be like, wait a minute, I
normally get fired in a year. What do I do
(33:25):
do I look for other opportunities that might dry up
in a year, so that that what really sucks for
the people behind the.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Scenes, how did we get to this point?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Money?
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Uh, the money's just gotten gotten so astronomical, and the
owners want they need this money to pay these players,
and the fans are a big loser, but they need
this money to pay the players. Then I was telling
some friends of mine, you know how old I am.
(33:58):
I remember the first time NBA player that made a
million dollars. We were going around the locker room high
five in each other and I'm talking like, I mean hey,
And then I'm in the locker room with Doctor J Moses,
Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Tony, Clement Johnson, all these guys. We're like,
we can't This was like eighty six, eighty seven. I
think the first time an NBA player made a million dollars.
(34:19):
We were highly like, we can't believe it. And now
a million dollars. That's pre Beem.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Your boss at TNT probably didn't help the cause when
he said that we don't need the NBA. So I
wonder what the priority was with the NBA, Like we wanted,
but we wanted at a certain price.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
Yeah, there's not a lot of talk about that. To
be honest with you, did they have something to do
with it, not really, because we did say we would
match so so yeah, but they didn't give us an opportunity.
What I really think happened was because they bought it
a no other partner. This was a last ditch cash
(35:03):
grab by the NBA and the players. That's why I
think they signed an eleven year deal. Say they're like, hey,
let's get as much money as we possibly can right now.
This is gonna be our last bite of the apple
because T and T abcsp and they're not gonna pay
(35:23):
more money going forward. That's why I think they're like, hey,
you know what, let's get in bed and I don't.
I'm not blame because I love Adam. I love Adam.
Hey let's get in bed with the streaming because that's
what they're going to be the only people who can
afford us in eleven years. That's just my honest opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
All right, So what are you going to do when
this upcoming season is over?
Speaker 9 (35:47):
You know my intention right now is to retire. So Dan,
I've never said this before. What I'll share with you
because you know, I got a lot of love for you.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
So my deal.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
There's been a lot of numbers thrown around about my deal,
which I always find fascinating, but I've never told people
exactly what my deal was. So my deal is ten years,
two hundred and ten million dollars. We're in next year'll
be year three. Turner has to come to me today
(36:18):
or next week and say, hey, we screwed up? Will
you take a pay cut?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Am I?
Speaker 9 (36:29):
So they either gonna have to guarantee the whole ten
years to ten or they're gonna have to make ask
me to take a pay cut, which under no circumstances
am I taking a pay cut? Zero chances of me
taking a pay cut. So then I'll be i'most say
(36:50):
I'm gonna politely decline taking a pay cut because TNT
has been great to me, And they gonna have to
say we're gonna guarantee the too ten or Charles Wade
Barkley's gonna be a free agent after next year. So
it's gonna be a very interesting next few days. But
that's the way my deal. I structured my contract. They
(37:13):
wanted me. I was like, wait, if y'all lose the NBA,
why should I get screwed? I said that it's like, well,
let's make a let's come to some type of agreement.
I said, the agreement is OI, we get to make
you an offer. I said, that's fine, I'm gonna turn
it down because I'm not taking no pay cut because
y'all screwed up.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And uh so that's where we're at.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
DAN.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
So apparently unless they, like I say, they can, but
I don't see them guaranteeing it, to be honest, because
they don't really have anything. So I think I'm gonna
be a free agent next summer and I'm gonna have
to sit back and, like I say, right now, I'm
not trying to be this or this or this right now,
my intention is to retire because then, yeah, I mean,
you've done it quite a few times, and Fairness went
(37:55):
to another network started over. I'm not sure. I love
T and T so much and people here. I don't
know if I want to go to another network. Like
I'll never say never, but right now, my intention is
to stay to Less and go out with a bang.
We're gonna give everything we got next year because out
of lowty to the NBA and their fans. And I
want to say to something all the fans out there, man,
(38:16):
you guys been great.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
You guys been great to me.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
Uh, you know, when I was in Tahoo a couple
of weeks ago, everybody saying, guys, don't go us to
do we don't want to go, but we're going. Hey
in first of all, I me saying, this is like
the worst kept secret in the history of force broadcasting.
Like we knew we were done like five six months ago.
They're like, well, we're still alive. We're still alive. Like, yo, man,
(38:41):
please stop lying to us. We know it's over, just
go ahead and announce it. So there is a sense
of relief, to be honest with you, to the employees,
because I've been spending a lot of time with the
employees lately, and they just wanted it to be over
because they got to start planning for their future.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, but why can't you guys still do your show?
If I'm Amazon, why wouldn't Amazon say, why don't we
capitalize on the best you know, pregame show that there
is out there and bring you guys in, keep everybody
in Atlanta, keep all the producers, and you guys, you know,
just produce your show.
Speaker 9 (39:19):
Well, first of all, you have to ask Ernie that,
because Ernie is the guy who probably would never leave Turner.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But Dan, everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Have you has somebody spoken to Amazon?
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I have spoken to all three networks, so.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You spoke to Amazon.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I have spoke to all three networks, so.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
You spoke to Amazon.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
I have spoke to all three networks. Dan, who got
the NBA going forward?
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I know Amazon? Amazon is where you. Let me say this,
I have spoken for the last three months. I've spoken
to all the networks.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That doesn't sound like somebody gonna retire.
Speaker 9 (40:01):
Well, Dan, I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna listen. I mean,
first of all, i'd be stupid not to take their call.
But the beauty of this situation I don't have to
make any decisions for a year, Dan, But I told
all three networks, Hey, I'm honored, I'm flattered that y'all
want to talk to me. But let's see what happens
(40:23):
in a year. So that's the great thing about it.
From my perspective, I don't have to make any decisions
for a year. But like I say, my intention, I'm
not trying to play hardball. I'm not trying to get attention.
My attention right now is to retire. Like I say,
(40:43):
Ernie would never go to another network. I have not
talked to Kenny and Shaq, but I have listened to everybody,
and like I say, I got a year, Dan, I
ain't got to worry about this is all this stuff
is just knowing for a year.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
To be honest with you, Okay, would you go someplace
without Ernie or without let's say Shaq and Kenny. Let's
say Ernie is not leaving, staying TNT Atlanta. Would you
on your own go to another network to be part
of their NBA broadcast.
Speaker 9 (41:17):
I'm not frozen. I'm thinking that's a great question, Dan.
I don't know how to answer that question. You know,
I ain't gonna never lie to you. I don't know
how to answer that question right now because I don't know.
First of all, I don't know who's got what going forward.
(41:37):
Like when I have these conversations with these companies, they're like,
we're finalizing what we're going to have, So I would
have to sit back. Hey, ESPN, tell me what you
guys got and what you want me to do. Amazon,
tell me what you got and what you want me
to do. NBC tell me what you got and what
you want.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Me to do.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
Until they finalize what they got because there was rumors
when we would like, we're gonna lose the conf even
if we retain the NBA, we're gonna lose the day
of the week. We're gonna lose the conference finals every
other year. So when I talk to these companies, I say,
(42:19):
get back to me when you know what you got.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
That's fair. Amazon's got the money, though.
Speaker 9 (42:29):
Dan, everybody's got money. They're paying two billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
No, no, no, no, Amazon's got money.
Speaker 9 (42:35):
Hey, I'd be a fool not to say. I'm God,
I don't listen to Amazon. I'm not that stupid.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I agree. I think you're gonna continue to do it.
You got to talk to somebody. I mean I do, Dan,
I talk to them all. No, no, no, I'm saying you.
You have to have an audience to talk to.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Dan. I'm six or two.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
I'm six years older than you, and I still need
an audience to talk to.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
And so do you. Man. You know what I want
to tell you something? You a coward too.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I saw you play in Tahoe. Oh my god, you
have no business talking about anything.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Oh let me tell you something, my bag.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
No that there was five people who said to me, man,
you gotta get Damn Patrick back out here.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
I'm telling you there's five people. I said.
Speaker 9 (43:25):
Dan Patrick is a coward. He is scared to play
golf on television. He has an open invitation. But I said,
Dad Hay said, I love Dan, but Damn just a coward.
Because I know what happened. I remember the last time
you played in Tahoe. Them little putts that they give
you at the country club, that you kept three putting
from like two inches. Hey, if to look a shock
(43:48):
on your face when you we wouldn't give you gimmes
and you were three putton.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
It was one of the best things I've seen in
my life. You just yipping. You have to yip some
of these little tap ends you were.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You were right, But I still beat you.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
You can't beat me down.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I beat you back then.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Look you playing the bands I've ever played in my life.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Right now, Well, that's not very good. I saw the highlights.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
I came in fifty second. Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Now I'm nervous.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Damn I beat So you know in the casino you
could bet on me. I finally beat the odds. You know,
you had Chegs Barkley Company in the top seventy and
the last two years, I came in like seventy second.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
This year I played the best I ever played.
Speaker 9 (44:31):
I want a lot of people money, brother, I came
in fifty second out of ninety. Now, anytime you want
to come, I'll call NBC. You Dan, Please come on,
come on, Dan, come on, don't be a coward. You
can play with me to come on.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
All right, loser has to retire.
Speaker 9 (44:51):
I'll tell you what you know I've never done. I've
never done a radio show from my house. I'll let
you do your show for a week.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
You know you said that before and then you were
a coward. You left and went to Vegas.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Well, I go to Vegas every year.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
No, did you invite us to your house in when
we were going out for the Arizona Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, but I wasn't in town.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
We said we'll still go there, and you go, no,
I'm in Vegas. That's a coward.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I've been twenty eight straight years to Vegas for the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Why would you invite us?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Well, because I thought if I'm in town, but.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
You're never there in town. It was a faux invitation
by you.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
Great brother, you got to open up tations. I let
you in a Barkley compound. You know I love your guy.
We can do it one show from We can do
it from my tennis court.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I don't care about your tennis court. You got anything
else there?
Speaker 9 (45:48):
I got a guest house, a pued and Green. I
got some bunkers and pedd and green. Apparently I got
a nice house. I just saw it on the internet
the other day.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Well, you're making twenty million dollars a year, you should be.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
Well, I'm blessed.
Speaker 9 (46:09):
Hey, hey Dan, Yeah, well hey, I was until you.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
You got one more year making twenty million. Hey, twenty
one million, Dan, twenty one million. Don't cheat me out
of a million, dude. You could get thirty million dollars
a year. Well, you could get thirty million.
Speaker 9 (46:30):
Well, I look forward to hearing those offers out. I'm
just going to enjoy my last year Turner because it's amazing. Hey, listen,
money will not beat it if if if I keep working,
money will not be to decide. In fact, the work
schedule will be.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, that's where you dictate what you want to do.
Speaker 9 (46:51):
That's why I say it. That's why I keep my
options open with all three networks.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Brother, I don't know why we're yelling at each other.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
We're not yelling each other. Were having a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Did conversation Yes, thanks again for joining us.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
No, thanks for having me, Dan, You're the best. Tell
everybody I said Hello, everybody, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Thank you, buddy,
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