August 2, 2024 • 38 mins
Dan reacts to Jayson Tatum riding the pine all game during Team USA’s blowout of Serbia. 3x Olympic gold medal winning Team USA Head Basketball Coach Mike Krzyzewski drops by to weigh in on the current squad and the state of basketball in the US. And actor Matt Damon stops by to talk about his new movie, watching his favorite teams, and a possible Bourne sequel.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Men they roll Serbia, sayal lo to Kevin Durant. He
drops twenty three. He had twenty one in the first half.
And just to give you an idea sometimes where you know,
I was watching the game and uh Nikola Jokic played
thirty minutes and forty five seconds of Serbia's lost to
Team US six. In the time that he was in
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the game, the game was tied. It was even in
the nine minutes and fifteen seconds when the Joker was
not on the core. Team USA outscored Serbia by twenty
six points. Who stall of.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
A day, Stall day, Stallava day, Stannata day.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
This is the Stele of the day.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm just guessing, but I don't think the jokers should
come out of the game for Serbia. Kevin Durant had
twenty three, Lebron had twenty one. Durant is the best
international player we've ever had, and there is no answer
for him when he's playing healthy. It feels like we're
getting reintroduced to Kevin Durant again because the last couple
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of years haven't been great. Having been kind to his career,
his legacy, I guess if you will, but it was
just one of those reminders where you're just watching an eargo.
He's a bucket. He's just a bucket waiting to happen.
And Lebron went nine to thirteen shooting, Durant hit his
first eight shots, five to three pointers, and then all
anybody wanted to talk about after the game was to
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Steve Kerr, the head coach, why didn't you play Jason Tatum?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It's tough, but Jason handled it really well. I talked
to him today before the game that it may play
out this way, just with Kevin coming back and the
lineups that I wanted to get to, but that'll change.
You know, Jason's going to play. Every game is going
to be different based on matchups. He's a total always,
you know, first team All NBA three years in a row.
(02:03):
I felt like an idiot not playing him. But in
a forty minute game, you can't play more than ten,
you really can't, and you know, so I just I
think he's he's an amazing guy, great player and handled
it beautifully, and you know he'll be back out their
next game.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay, I mean it's an embarrassment of riches that they have.
It's a luxury that you have one of the best
players in the game who doesn't even play, which is
kind of an ominous feel. I would think for the
competition you're going to face Team USA, they don't even
need Jason Tatum. They will. But this is where it
gets tricky. When you're coaching an Olympic team. Everybody is
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a star in their own mind. For the most part,
everybody is a number one or number two option on
their own team, and they're sitting there on the bench.
They don't know what that feeling's like. They probably haven't
experienced that feeling ever where you sit on the bench
and you'll watch everybody else high school, grade school, college, NBA.
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You're playing for the most part, and then all of
a sudden you're going, uh, oh, that's right, we had
Jason Tatum there. But trying to get players and your
rotations are tighter when the games start when they really
mean something. You go from ten players during kind of
the prelim the friendlies to now maybe seven or eight players.
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That's what a coach normally does in the NBA, and
maybe Steve Kerr was treating it that way. I don't
know if it's that big of a deal. This goes
back to what I talked about with Caitlyn Clark. If
she had made the team, she probably would be on
the bench, and then everybody would be no matter what
the result was, even if Team USA was winning, why
isn't Caitlyn Clark playing? And Don Staley Team USA they
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didn't want to get into this of why isn't somebody playing?
And I think Team USA has that now. Obviously Caitlyn
Clark more popular than Jason Tatum or more of a
snub if she's not playing to more people than Jason Tatum.
This is sort of, you know, a microcosm of what
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happens with Olympic teams. That's why you have to really
trust the end result. You know, we're playing for a
gold medal. However we get there, We're going to get
there as a team, and it's not always easy that
way because you got egos that play into this, and
certainly they did or probably did with Jason Tatum and
Steve Kerr realizing that, Yeah, Seon.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
It is weird that when you're looking at like Jason
Tatum can't get minutes, Jalen Brown doesn't even get invited
but Derek White is playing and Derek White playing a
lot of minutes. Yeah, Drew Holliday as a starter. Yeah,
but Jason Tatum and Jylen Brown can't get anything.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
It just doesn't add up when you're looking at it,
like I get why, But when you're looking at it
on paper, you're like how.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But it's guys who play a certain position, who play
a certain role. That's it. That's all it comes down to.
Is Tatum better than Derek White? Yes, But on team usay,
Derek White is more valuable to what Steve Kerr needs,
or at least right now.
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Speaker 2 (05:51):
Hall of Fame coach, special advisor to NBA Basketball Operations
and won five titles at Duke, A time Coach of
the Year. Mike Chevsky back on the program Morning Coach,
How you doing good morning?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, It's always good to spend time with you.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I was wondering about with all the Olympic teams that
you had, how do you divvy up playing time to
keep everybody happy.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well, the only way everyone's going to be happy is
if we win. That's what I would tell each team.
The only thing anyone will ask ask you, did you win?
And so don't get caught up in minutes, shots or whatever.
Just be consumed with winning. And we actually had each
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guy pledged that they would do anything that we wanted
them to do to win. And then I tried to
get into like a nine man rotation, sometimes ten, and
I pretty much had a starting unit the whole time
and four of the five championships, and then another unit,
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not a complete unit. I never sub five for five,
and Dan I thought, I think a big thing is
for the really tough games, you have to have a
closing unit that would be a combination of the two
and that formula will work really well. And I mean
guys like Tayshaun Prince, Michael Red, Carlos Boozer, even Anthony Davis.
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They didn't play that much Anthony when he was a
young player. And they're going to be two or three
guys who either won't play or will not play that
that much. But I think you got to get to
that quick.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you're building a roster, though, and you're playing a
different style of basketball. How much does that factor in
of international play as opposed to NBA play, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Big time. You know, there's a huge difference in how
the game's administer You know, the ball's different. I know
you as a shooter or a profession shooter, Uh, you
would have to have time to get it. There's two
more panels, it's different color, it feels different and uh
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uh so uh really, getting accustomed to the nuances of
the of the game are really important. And I think
a key thing is not to be positioned. You know,
one thing about our country, we have probably the most
positionless players. In other words, like a closing unit in
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London for me was Durant Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo and Chris
Paul and Chris didn't play the point Kobe or Lebron
would have it.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I think I could have coached those guys to a
gold I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, you could have coached them. That doesn't mean you
would have won with them.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, I would have.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think I would have coaching them would But anyway,
I think I never got caught up in position except
the big guy. If you were facing usually Serbia had
really strong big guys. We had to have a really
tough center in there at that time.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The mentality of Kobe versus Michael Jordan in practice at
the Olympics, is there a discrepancy, Like is there similarities
that they sort of attacked when they when they came
in that practice was a game to them.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Now, I think they're probably two of the most similar
great players in the history of our game. I mean
in one day, really, you know, they were just super talented,
but they were also incredibly prepared and I don't think
anybody was any more competitive than those two guys, you know,
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So they were that all the time. That was their
personality and when they were on the court, and it
meant something in practice or in a game. They were
all business, you know. They they wanted to be great,
not good. I mean they wanted to win, and they
wanted moments. They were never afraid of a moment. They
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craved moments. I knew that more about Kobe because he
was on two of our teams and I was the
head coach, and if it was a tough moment, he
smiled like, all right, this is what I prepared for.
That other stuff was pretty easy, but this is this
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is who makes me, and he came through All the time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
What Olympic team had the biggest impact on you, whether
it was coaching or personally.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, you know, I was an assistant on the Dream Team,
so I saw the magnificence of of those guys and
their professionalism and how they brought the NBA culture at
that time into the Olympics. The team's I coach, starting
with the Beijing team in two thousand and eight. The
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first team is always a little bit more special because
you haven't done it before, and we had not done
it for a while as a country. And then a
number of those guys, then five of them played again
in twelve and then we won the World championships in
Istambul and ten. Durant was the star and we had
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a lot of young players and five guys from that
team we're on the twenty twelve team. So a keyword
that Jerry Colanguo, who ran USA Basketball and I embraced,
was continuity. And those guys gave it, and that's what
Lebron is giving right now. And Kevin Anthony Davis, Steph.
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You know a lot of people don't realize Steph was
part of two of our world championships in ten and fourteen,
so he understands international ball and he wants to win
a gold medal. Having those four veterans is huge as
far as the continuity aspect.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Talking to Mike Skrushevski go back to the Dream Team,
and it felt like there was like tangible moments where
Bird and Magic and everybody else realized that all of
a sudden, Mike was the new sheriff in town and
that there was almost this begrudging handoff of that guy's
the best player in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, you know, they weren't at the same age at that,
you know they you know, Jordan was more in his prime,
although he's always in his prime and that's I shouldn't
even said that. Yeah, he was Jordan then, and where
Larry has really had a lot of back problems then
and Magic had been all out for year and so
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they not that they were at his level at that time,
but if they were in their prime, all three of them.
I take those three guys to start any team.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
If you could pick one of those three, that one
would go to Duke when you were there.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh, I take any of them.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
No, you got it, you got first pick.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, Well, who's going to stay for four years? Yeh,
Jordan only stayed stayed for three. I wish he had
only stayed for one at Carolina.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
How about they're going to all stay for three years? Magic,
Larry or Mike.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I can't pick one. Yeah, I can't pick one. I
love all three of those guys, Like you're talking about
three of at least in the top six or seven
in the history of the game. I mean, Magic is
probably the best point guard ever, you know, Jordan maybe
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the best player ever. I lo, Kobe's right there in Lebron,
and Larry was just unique, you know, like he's and
you talk about being a competitor. There aren't as many
players like that anymore. I'm telling you, I don't know.
(14:31):
I don't know. Yeah, and not that there isn't talent,
but yeah, like I don't know if you I saw
something yesterday where the salaries and these guys deserve it.
Of our Olympic team for next year, the guys on
it are something like five hundred million dollars when you
combine for the year, you know, the twelve guys on
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the Dream Team, it was thirty five million, so for
the whole team. And and so I don't know if
there there was You didn't just play for money, you
you They loved the game, and I wish we would
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have I think we have a number of guys who
love the game, but in youth basketball and even college,
but I'm not sure the love of the game is
the impetus to be good all the time. Yeah, Like Durant,
Durant loves the game. Durant, if he's walking by a
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Jimmy's got to go in and shoot. You know, he's
got to play every every day. And I wish that
I would see that more, you know, in the the
young players. Again, not that is there are players like that,
but it was almost like everyone was like that during
that time period.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
When you look at development of other countries, and I
don't know if if we need to kind of reassess
what we're teaching at the high school level, AAU level,
because what's happening. You know, you can make an argument
the four or five best players in the world didn't
play in the United States. Is that a concern?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, it is. And actually I'm working with the NBA
now and one of our committees is a Global Development Committee,
and we're about just over a year old, and we're
trying to change the One is to unify the game.
Like the game is played in many different ways in
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our country. Internationally, if you're in France or Italy, you
play the game the same. You know, there are four quarters,
ten minutes. You know. The men's college basketball was the
most outline of all of them, you know. And then
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many people don't play with a shot clock. Uh. Many
states don't have a shot clocks. And that's a mistake
because you have to learn to play the game. The
only way you wanted to play the game is that
plays and play. So we're trying to unify that and
uh change how uh the American the young American players
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being taught and uh and coach, they play a lot
of games, but they don't practice a lot. And uh
you'd be shocked and and pleasantly shocked in like France, Germany, uh, Lithuania,
these countries from young age on, these kids are really
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coached well and uh they're brought up. Uh the right way.
Ours is still dan. Ours is based on a scholastic
system where you know, in other words, like for that's
college basketball. It's crazy you can practice twenty hours a
week in season and then you can't practice at certain times.
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Then in the summer you can practice four hours a week.
You got to be kidding me, like that has what
the hell's happening? You know, like if a kid is
playing the piano or is in acting and he wants
to work sixty out he or she wants to work
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sixty hours a week, no one's stopping them from doing.
I think it's the next once they get all this stuff,
whenever they get the stuff done, whether they're contracted employees
or whatever they are, the next lawsuit is going to be.
You mean, I can't be coached more than twenty hours.
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I mean, it's stupid, it really is. It's so so
bad and we're trying to We're doing some things to
try to change that.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, talking to Mike Shruzszewsky, the Hall of Famer Special
Advisor to NBA Basketball operations, is Cooper Flag good enough
to make the Olympic team?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Not right now, but he will be, you know, hopefully
no injuries or whatever. You know, he's not only talented,
he has he has a love of the game. And
he is a competitive kid. I mean, he is as
competitive as any freshman that has come into Duke. And
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I'm not saying he's more competitive than some of the
elite guys we had, but as competitive and and he
has a game that translates. He doesn't have a position.
He's just a damn good basketball player and a winner.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Speaking of competitors, Christian Latner isn't in the Basketball Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
He send the he is as a member of the
Dream Team.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now I'm talking about individually. Why hasn't he had his
day just college career alone.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, he's in the college Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But the one in Springfield where Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
It's very difficult to get into this Naismith Basketball Hall
of Fame. And uh if I'm not sure anybody's who's
done it just with the college career. Uh. In fact,
that's why we started, just in the turn of this century,
(20:39):
we started uh uh the College Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Uh but college coaches get in there, so not many.
I mean, there's one of the top five college players
of all time? Would you say?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I agree? So? Uh one, I'm I'm sure he's been nominated,
and you go and through the selection process, and you know,
you if they're the things would be given more to
an NBA player consideration than a collegiate player. And so
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that competition then is with probably somebody who had a
fifteen to eighteen year career. You know, it was all
NBA five times. And but I agree with you. I mean,
Christian was the winningest player we've ever had, a duke.
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He was the most competitive.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And don't you just want to hear that speech when
he gets inducted.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, it'd be a good one. And I can just
say I'm coming up and he said, yeah, this is
a great honor and I want to thank Dan Patrick.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And he should.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah. Yeah. I are you only saying that because you want,
you know, him to be recognized, Yeah, to be recognized.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'm surprised more don't recognize me in their whole. Like
when Jordan was up there, I thought i'd give a
shout and get a shout out from him. I mean
he roasted everybody. I thought he would give me a
shout out. But yeah, I guess that's partial for why
I want.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, well, Christian, you know, Christian really understood the game.
And uh he he does some coaching now in camps
and clinics and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But he had a long NBA career as well. I
mean it wasn't decorated, but still.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Which takes away then from the consideration. In other words,
if it's a cut a continuance of the ex and
so it doesn't add that you were in the NBA,
it's were you an All Star? Were you all? You know,
did you make the first team defensive teams? Like, Uh,
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it's very difficult to get into the Naismith Hall of Fame,
it really is. And and uh, that doesn't that's not
a knock on Christian. Obviously, I love Christian and he
made me a hell of a coach.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, he helped you get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Coach he did, you know, as h for a coach
to get in. We got a lot of help from
a lot of players.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was wondering about when the Lakers were talking to
Dan Hurley. Yeah, and you were advising the Lakers, I believe,
uh not just insulting.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now, Rob Plink and I are friends. But no, I
wasn't consulting.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh so you you didn't have any say in Dan
Hurley or JJ.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, I talked. I never talked to the Lakers about
Danny and Danny And actually was on the phone with
Danny last night for about an hour about uh, changing
college basketball his family.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
There need to change it. He's winning coach.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, No, you have to always look at improving it.
But no, I talked to Polenka, you know, Rob and
JJ during that process. Of course I did you know. Uh,
it'd be uh, that would be wrong if I didn't.
But I wasn't a consultant.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
OK.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, I mean that that that's taken it a little
bit too.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Far, giving you a little too much credit. There. Is
there anything interesting in the office. Is this like the
main office where you have all the awards and like
people can come in and see how great you are.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
This is my conference room. You know, I still work
at Duke. If you should come in my office. I
don't have all that busy stuff that you have on
your desk. I have really like accomplishments. Your desk is
a wanna bee, you know, my desk is a be Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm in your office. I would probably steal something. We
have cameras, it doesn't matter. I'm out the door. I'm better.
Maybe I would take your high school jersey. Didn't you
leave the city of Chicago and scoring? So you probably
had that frame there in your office.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Just a Catholic League.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Okay, but you still led the Catholic League in scoring, right, But.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
No, I don't have any high school things up.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Okay, okay, I have West.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Point things us a Duke, and uh my office is
pretty pretty neat. And you're you're invited to come at any.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Time, anytime, anytime, anytime.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You have to have somebody in the office with you
while you're here.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, why not you?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, Well, I may not be here, I got so
I say anytime, yeah, and anytime you could you could
come in okay, and I could where you would get
lost in memories of all the being the nostalgic person
that you are.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you think I would openly weep if I was
in your office in soul from joy.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I can't believe this happened. Then, okay, oh and that happened,
and that happened.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm getting I'm getting emotional just thinking about.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It, right, Coach, I didn't realize Yeah he did all that. Yeah,
you think it would walk out in wonderment.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Well, I'm glad you're doing well and always talk to you.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
So, by the.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Way, I'm headed off to Napa I host a v
wine celebration there. It's raised in the last twenty five
years one hundred and sixty million to fight cancer, and
we're going to raise probably twelve to fifteen million this weekend.
It's a great grade event in Napa Valley.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's a little late notice for me to go, but
I know what you're doing, Like, is this a fake invite?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah? Do you do you ever drink wine?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes? I do?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Okay, Yeah, specials like red white cabs.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Uh you know yeah? Wait did you say South Bronx. No, oh,
I thought you said South Bronx. I'm like a Bronx.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Do you your bottles have quarks?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yes they do, Okay, but you can get like Australia
I mean they had the twist off and there's nothing
wrong with that, Coach.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, In fact, that shows me you know a little
bit more than I thought you know about wine.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Thank you, coach. And you know who you.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Should get on the show. Who really who's a great
friend and really knows wine from coaches? Is Pop Greg Popovich.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
He doesn't. I've been trying for twenty years to get Pop.
He doesn't do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh I hear that, but I'll never know that. So
I'm going to take care of you a great Yeah,
put in a good for me. We'll talk just wine.
I won't talk anything else other than why.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
He'll knock your socks off with wine.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Save travels to NAPA, And thanks again for the faux invite.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And you know, I'm gonna take a picture pictures of
my office and send them.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That'd be nice. That'd be nice, coach.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It'd be like a wish list, a dream. Yeah, yeah, right,
you know those places that you have not visited before.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah. Winners, Yeah, yeah, you're right, thank you, coach. That's
Mike Skrushevski won three gold medals his team USA's head coach.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
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Speaker 2 (28:43):
So the movie is The Instigators and American heist comedy
film by the director Doug Lyman, who did the Born
movies with him, and once again It'll be on Apple
TV Plus next Friday, August ninth. Big time movie star
Matt Damon joining us on the program. You know, watching
the Olympics. They're in Paris, and I keep thinking of
the Born Identity, all the places that you were going through,
(29:06):
all the action. I don't know, do you go back
at some of these cities you're in were you filmed
a movie and go, oh, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yeah for sure. I drive my kids crazy. I took
them to Paris once and just was pointing everything out
and they were just like shut up. They're like, we
get it. You lived here.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Did you do that in Boston though, when you're shooting
a movie.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Yeah, for sure. I mean a lot of that. I mean, well,
I remember with my dad. This is ten years ago.
We went up for his birthday and he walked, we
all walked into Boston Commons and we showed them the
bench they hadn't even seen Goodwill Hunting at that point.
But we sat on the bench and we took a
picture as a family on that bench where Robin delivers
(29:50):
that amazing monologue.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
But at what point, like all your movies, your kids
are good to watch all of them?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, if they want to. It's you know, I have
one daughter who's very resistant to watching anything she thinks
might be good. So if she hears a movie isn't
that good? She she she watches it and then gives
me a hard time about it. But but yeah, I don't,
I don't. I don't like have movie marathons, and like.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You could punish them. Hey, instead of a time out,
you go watch it.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
You're gonna watch you and make you watch every single
one of my movies.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But isn't The director is Doug who did the Boorn movies.
He's doing this movie with you and Casey exactly.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, and he was he was the first guy
we went to because Doug if So he did the
Bourne Identity, but he also did Swingers, Go Mister and
Missus Smith Edge of Tomorrow, like all of his movies
are are just so kind of tonally interesting and funny
and entertaining and and so that's what this was. This
is a comedy set in Boston, and it's it's it's
(30:57):
kind of a heightened reality because it's a comedy, but
it needs to feel grounded and needed to be really
funny and fun. And so was the he was the
first choice for it.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So there's gonna be a couple of car chases. I'm
gonna guess if Doug's.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Down, absolutely, well, Doug's involved, there has to be a
car chase. But what was fun about this one is
it's like, you know, we did the Jason Bourne car chase,
and that's a character who always knows where he's going.
He is aggressively going at his next best option all
the time. And like in this one, I'm playing a
guy who's never committed a crime. He's never been in
a car chase. And so it was a very different
type of car chase, which was fun. Which was fun
(31:33):
to do.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Your relationship with Casey Affleck as opposed to Ben held
different on set.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Well, Casey drives me crazy and he always has. Casey's
like my little brother. So when we were growing up,
Casey's five years younger than me, so he was tagging
along all the time when we were young, and then
you know, when he graduated high school, he came out
and lived with us, and we were all struggling actors
to get and we've kind of been through all these
phases and now for the last whatever thirty years or so,
(32:05):
we've both been adults. And so that's so our relationship.
The nature of our relationship definitely changed over those three decades.
But he's he's incredibly incredibly tenacious and picky and opinionated,
and so it makes But because we've known each other
(32:25):
for so long, we have a shorthand. So it's it's nice.
You don't spend any time on diplomacy, on being overly
kind to somebody. You just kind of solve the problems
a little quicker and and and and that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But see playing himself in Goodwill Hunting, No.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Not at all, he's playing. He's playing a kind of
a heightened version of of what we wrote in Goodwill Hunting.
He's like kind of over the top. And and no,
he's not. He's not annoying in that way at all.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Instigators Apple TV Plus this Friday, August second, talking to
Matt Damon, are you guys doing the uh Fritz Peterson
Mike Kekache wife swapping Yankee movie.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
No, they had a script for that like ten years
ago that I that was. That was pretty good and
a couple actors circled it and then it never it
never took off. But it's actually a good question. I
wonder if we could revive it. It was. It was actually
a really uh well written script, So I don't know,
it just never it never gained enough momentum to get
it made.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
God, but it's so crazy, like that'd be something you'd
make up and then if you said it's true, people
would be like, no, that's not the wait these teammates
swapped wives and got.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
No, no, it's it's It's a totally crazy story. It
literally almost we almost got a green light, I think
twice with two different casts. I think Casey was looking
at one of the roles for a while. I think
chan Channing Tatum was looking at one of the roles
for it like it was, it almost happened and then
kind of faded.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Where were you when the Celtics won the title?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Man?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Uh, where was I when the Celtics won the title.
That's an excellent question. I was in my I was, yeah,
I was in my house, jumping up and down kind of.
I At times I get like, I'm I want to
go to these events and I want to go to
these games. I did go in twenty eighteen to the
(34:17):
Dodgers Red Sox to game to the final game, to
Game six, as it turned out to be the final game.
But more often than not, I like watching at home.
I feel safer at home. I feel like I feel
like I'm not going to jinx the team in any
way if I'm just on my cap now.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But You're surrounded by women, so is anybody sharing in
this glory with you?
Speaker 7 (34:36):
They get into it. For me, I feel like a
lot of the time, you know, they they they let me.
They kind of give me my space to kind of
cheer on the Boston teams. And they know and they've
been to Boston enough to understand that we're not normal
up there, so they you know, they they they're very
tolerant of me.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But do you have friends in the neighborhood, like guys
who could come over and like, I'm worried that you're
just alone in your man cave cheering.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Sometimes I am, I mean, in the Brady days when
the kids were young, I would you know, we were
living in la and I would wake up, you know
that a lot of those games were ten am and
i'd you know, make breakfast and you know, get the
kids situated, and it's like, let's not talk to dad
till one.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You did the Rugby movie and victis, do do you
know all the rules? Because we were watching yesterday the
women they got the bronze, but are you.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Yeah, and they beat Australia, which is incredible, Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
But are you aware of all the rules right now?
With rugby?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
No? No, absolutely not. And even when I did the movie,
as many times they tried to explain it to me.
You know, it's basically a field position game. But but
I but I couldn't. I couldn't quite master it. And
even and normally, you know, you kind of do a
lot of the stunts or the tackles or things like that.
We realized really quickly with Rugby there was no way
(35:49):
to guarantee you know, anybody's because you go into one
of those scrums or you could and everyone's getting their
faces cleated, and you know, and if that happens to me,
obviously the movie shuts down for two weeks, so pretty
quickly Clint Eastwood was like, all right, your stunt man's
gonna do everything. We're gonna put you in for the
close up. So then I really didn't know anything about rugby.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But that's just jacked as you'd probably have been it
for a role, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yeah, I probably. I probably was fifteen pounds heavier than
I am now like I but it was a specific
type of work and to get that nineteen ninety four
Rugby body.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, but it's gone, that's long gone. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Well, it's tough to hold on to that. You gotta eat. Yeah,
it's a lot of chicken you gotta eat to keep that,
to keep that extra muscle on.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
All right, so explain you know what's the plot for
The Instigators?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
All right?
Speaker 7 (36:40):
So The Instigators is a movie. It's like, you know,
Casey and I did Oceans eleven together, Like these two
guys could never make it on that that crew. Like
this is like the worst heist team you've ever seen.
My character's never committed a crime before, but he's kind
of forced into this heist because he needs money, and
Casey's characters are kind of a criminal who's just not
(37:01):
very good at it, and so we try to pull
off a heist and it goes about as well as
you might imagine, and then we have to go on
the run and we end up in listening the help
of my psychiatrist to go on the run with us.
So that's basically the plot. It's a comedy, it moves
very fast, and hopefully it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Great to talk to you again. I always have to
ask any other Born movies.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
I mean, I heard that they have a script that
they're happy with, and you know, if that's the case,
then I'll get it, hopefully in the next month or so.
And I'm always open to it. I mean, I really
am desperate for somebody to come up with a good idea.
I love the character. Obviously, it changed the trajectory in
my career, so I'm very grateful for the character, and
I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Do it again. I say this on the show all
the time. I don't care where it is in the movie.
If I'm clipping, you know, flipping through, I don't care
which one I stop. And I watch it and I've
watched it many many times, so I'd love to get
on more. Maybe you're your semi retired or you know,
you're you're on a cruise ship or something.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Literally, there are eight studio executives from Universal sitting forward
in their chairs right now waiting.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
For you to finish that thought.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
If you can figure out a good way to do it, damn,
we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay, Damn, that'd be great. Hey, great to talk to you.
Good luck with a movie, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Thanks man, thanks for having me. Good to see you
all right.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
The Instigators
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio USA.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Men they roll Serbia, sayal lo to Kevin Durant. He
drops twenty three. He had twenty one in the first half.
And just to give you an idea sometimes where you know,
I was watching the game and uh Nikola Jokic played
thirty minutes and forty five seconds of Serbia's lost to
Team US six. In the time that he was in
(00:26):
the game, the game was tied. It was even in
the nine minutes and fifteen seconds when the Joker was
not on the core. Team USA outscored Serbia by twenty
six points. Who stall of.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
A day, Stall day, Stallava day, Stannata day.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
This is the Stele of the day.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm just guessing, but I don't think the jokers should
come out of the game for Serbia. Kevin Durant had
twenty three, Lebron had twenty one. Durant is the best
international player we've ever had, and there is no answer
for him when he's playing healthy. It feels like we're
getting reintroduced to Kevin Durant again because the last couple
(01:14):
of years haven't been great. Having been kind to his career,
his legacy, I guess if you will, but it was
just one of those reminders where you're just watching an eargo.
He's a bucket. He's just a bucket waiting to happen.
And Lebron went nine to thirteen shooting, Durant hit his
first eight shots, five to three pointers, and then all
anybody wanted to talk about after the game was to
(01:37):
Steve Kerr, the head coach, why didn't you play Jason Tatum?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It's tough, but Jason handled it really well. I talked
to him today before the game that it may play
out this way, just with Kevin coming back and the
lineups that I wanted to get to, but that'll change.
You know, Jason's going to play. Every game is going
to be different based on matchups. He's a total always,
you know, first team All NBA three years in a row.
(02:03):
I felt like an idiot not playing him. But in
a forty minute game, you can't play more than ten,
you really can't, and you know, so I just I
think he's he's an amazing guy, great player and handled
it beautifully, and you know he'll be back out their
next game.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay, I mean it's an embarrassment of riches that they have.
It's a luxury that you have one of the best
players in the game who doesn't even play, which is
kind of an ominous feel. I would think for the
competition you're going to face Team USA, they don't even
need Jason Tatum. They will. But this is where it
gets tricky. When you're coaching an Olympic team. Everybody is
(02:40):
a star in their own mind. For the most part,
everybody is a number one or number two option on
their own team, and they're sitting there on the bench.
They don't know what that feeling's like. They probably haven't
experienced that feeling ever where you sit on the bench
and you'll watch everybody else high school, grade school, college, NBA.
(03:01):
You're playing for the most part, and then all of
a sudden you're going, uh, oh, that's right, we had
Jason Tatum there. But trying to get players and your
rotations are tighter when the games start when they really
mean something. You go from ten players during kind of
the prelim the friendlies to now maybe seven or eight players.
(03:21):
That's what a coach normally does in the NBA, and
maybe Steve Kerr was treating it that way. I don't
know if it's that big of a deal. This goes
back to what I talked about with Caitlyn Clark. If
she had made the team, she probably would be on
the bench, and then everybody would be no matter what
the result was, even if Team USA was winning, why
isn't Caitlyn Clark playing? And Don Staley Team USA they
(03:45):
didn't want to get into this of why isn't somebody playing?
And I think Team USA has that now. Obviously Caitlyn
Clark more popular than Jason Tatum or more of a
snub if she's not playing to more people than Jason Tatum.
This is sort of, you know, a microcosm of what
(04:05):
happens with Olympic teams. That's why you have to really
trust the end result. You know, we're playing for a
gold medal. However we get there, We're going to get
there as a team, and it's not always easy that
way because you got egos that play into this, and
certainly they did or probably did with Jason Tatum and
Steve Kerr realizing that, Yeah, Seon.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
It is weird that when you're looking at like Jason
Tatum can't get minutes, Jalen Brown doesn't even get invited
but Derek White is playing and Derek White playing a
lot of minutes. Yeah, Drew Holliday as a starter. Yeah,
but Jason Tatum and Jylen Brown can't get anything.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
It just doesn't add up when you're looking at it,
like I get why, But when you're looking at it
on paper, you're like how.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But it's guys who play a certain position, who play
a certain role. That's it. That's all it comes down to.
Is Tatum better than Derek White? Yes, But on team usay,
Derek White is more valuable to what Steve Kerr needs,
or at least right now.
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Speaker 2 (05:51):
Hall of Fame coach, special advisor to NBA Basketball Operations
and won five titles at Duke, A time Coach of
the Year. Mike Chevsky back on the program Morning Coach,
How you doing good morning?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, It's always good to spend time with you.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I was wondering about with all the Olympic teams that
you had, how do you divvy up playing time to
keep everybody happy.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well, the only way everyone's going to be happy is
if we win. That's what I would tell each team.
The only thing anyone will ask ask you, did you win?
And so don't get caught up in minutes, shots or whatever.
Just be consumed with winning. And we actually had each
(06:37):
guy pledged that they would do anything that we wanted
them to do to win. And then I tried to
get into like a nine man rotation, sometimes ten, and
I pretty much had a starting unit the whole time
and four of the five championships, and then another unit,
(06:59):
not a complete unit. I never sub five for five,
and Dan I thought, I think a big thing is
for the really tough games, you have to have a
closing unit that would be a combination of the two
and that formula will work really well. And I mean
guys like Tayshaun Prince, Michael Red, Carlos Boozer, even Anthony Davis.
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They didn't play that much Anthony when he was a
young player. And they're going to be two or three
guys who either won't play or will not play that
that much. But I think you got to get to
that quick.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you're building a roster, though, and you're playing a
different style of basketball. How much does that factor in
of international play as opposed to NBA play, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Big time. You know, there's a huge difference in how
the game's administer You know, the ball's different. I know
you as a shooter or a profession shooter, Uh, you
would have to have time to get it. There's two
more panels, it's different color, it feels different and uh
(08:09):
uh so uh really, getting accustomed to the nuances of
the of the game are really important. And I think
a key thing is not to be positioned. You know,
one thing about our country, we have probably the most
positionless players. In other words, like a closing unit in
(08:32):
London for me was Durant Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo and Chris
Paul and Chris didn't play the point Kobe or Lebron
would have it.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I think I could have coached those guys to a
gold I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, you could have coached them. That doesn't mean you
would have won with them.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, I would have.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think I would have coaching them would But anyway,
I think I never got caught up in position except
the big guy. If you were facing usually Serbia had
really strong big guys. We had to have a really
tough center in there at that time.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The mentality of Kobe versus Michael Jordan in practice at
the Olympics, is there a discrepancy, Like is there similarities
that they sort of attacked when they when they came
in that practice was a game to them.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Now, I think they're probably two of the most similar
great players in the history of our game. I mean
in one day, really, you know, they were just super talented,
but they were also incredibly prepared and I don't think
anybody was any more competitive than those two guys, you know,
(09:53):
So they were that all the time. That was their
personality and when they were on the court, and it
meant something in practice or in a game. They were
all business, you know. They they wanted to be great,
not good. I mean they wanted to win, and they
wanted moments. They were never afraid of a moment. They
(10:17):
craved moments. I knew that more about Kobe because he
was on two of our teams and I was the
head coach, and if it was a tough moment, he
smiled like, all right, this is what I prepared for.
That other stuff was pretty easy, but this is this
(10:40):
is who makes me, and he came through All the time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
What Olympic team had the biggest impact on you, whether
it was coaching or personally.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, you know, I was an assistant on the Dream Team,
so I saw the magnificence of of those guys and
their professionalism and how they brought the NBA culture at
that time into the Olympics. The team's I coach, starting
with the Beijing team in two thousand and eight. The
(11:14):
first team is always a little bit more special because
you haven't done it before, and we had not done
it for a while as a country. And then a
number of those guys, then five of them played again
in twelve and then we won the World championships in
Istambul and ten. Durant was the star and we had
(11:36):
a lot of young players and five guys from that
team we're on the twenty twelve team. So a keyword
that Jerry Colanguo, who ran USA Basketball and I embraced,
was continuity. And those guys gave it, and that's what
Lebron is giving right now. And Kevin Anthony Davis, Steph.
(12:00):
You know a lot of people don't realize Steph was
part of two of our world championships in ten and fourteen,
so he understands international ball and he wants to win
a gold medal. Having those four veterans is huge as
far as the continuity aspect.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Talking to Mike Skrushevski go back to the Dream Team,
and it felt like there was like tangible moments where
Bird and Magic and everybody else realized that all of
a sudden, Mike was the new sheriff in town and
that there was almost this begrudging handoff of that guy's
the best player in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, you know, they weren't at the same age at that,
you know they you know, Jordan was more in his prime,
although he's always in his prime and that's I shouldn't
even said that. Yeah, he was Jordan then, and where
Larry has really had a lot of back problems then
and Magic had been all out for year and so
(13:01):
they not that they were at his level at that time,
but if they were in their prime, all three of them.
I take those three guys to start any team.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
If you could pick one of those three, that one
would go to Duke when you were there.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh, I take any of them.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
No, you got it, you got first pick.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, Well, who's going to stay for four years? Yeh,
Jordan only stayed stayed for three. I wish he had
only stayed for one at Carolina.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
How about they're going to all stay for three years? Magic,
Larry or Mike.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I can't pick one. Yeah, I can't pick one. I
love all three of those guys, Like you're talking about
three of at least in the top six or seven
in the history of the game. I mean, Magic is
probably the best point guard ever, you know, Jordan maybe
(14:08):
the best player ever. I lo, Kobe's right there in Lebron,
and Larry was just unique, you know, like he's and
you talk about being a competitor. There aren't as many
players like that anymore. I'm telling you, I don't know.
(14:31):
I don't know. Yeah, and not that there isn't talent,
but yeah, like I don't know if you I saw
something yesterday where the salaries and these guys deserve it.
Of our Olympic team for next year, the guys on
it are something like five hundred million dollars when you
combine for the year, you know, the twelve guys on
(14:55):
the Dream Team, it was thirty five million, so for
the whole team. And and so I don't know if
there there was You didn't just play for money, you
you They loved the game, and I wish we would
(15:16):
have I think we have a number of guys who
love the game, but in youth basketball and even college,
but I'm not sure the love of the game is
the impetus to be good all the time. Yeah, Like Durant,
Durant loves the game. Durant, if he's walking by a
(15:37):
Jimmy's got to go in and shoot. You know, he's
got to play every every day. And I wish that
I would see that more, you know, in the the
young players. Again, not that is there are players like that,
but it was almost like everyone was like that during
that time period.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
When you look at development of other countries, and I
don't know if if we need to kind of reassess
what we're teaching at the high school level, AAU level,
because what's happening. You know, you can make an argument
the four or five best players in the world didn't
play in the United States. Is that a concern?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, it is. And actually I'm working with the NBA
now and one of our committees is a Global Development Committee,
and we're about just over a year old, and we're
trying to change the One is to unify the game.
Like the game is played in many different ways in
(16:40):
our country. Internationally, if you're in France or Italy, you
play the game the same. You know, there are four quarters,
ten minutes. You know. The men's college basketball was the
most outline of all of them, you know. And then
(17:00):
many people don't play with a shot clock. Uh. Many
states don't have a shot clocks. And that's a mistake
because you have to learn to play the game. The
only way you wanted to play the game is that
plays and play. So we're trying to unify that and
uh change how uh the American the young American players
(17:24):
being taught and uh and coach, they play a lot
of games, but they don't practice a lot. And uh
you'd be shocked and and pleasantly shocked in like France, Germany, uh, Lithuania,
these countries from young age on, these kids are really
(17:46):
coached well and uh they're brought up. Uh the right way.
Ours is still dan. Ours is based on a scholastic
system where you know, in other words, like for that's
college basketball. It's crazy you can practice twenty hours a
week in season and then you can't practice at certain times.
(18:09):
Then in the summer you can practice four hours a week.
You got to be kidding me, like that has what
the hell's happening? You know, like if a kid is
playing the piano or is in acting and he wants
to work sixty out he or she wants to work
(18:32):
sixty hours a week, no one's stopping them from doing.
I think it's the next once they get all this stuff,
whenever they get the stuff done, whether they're contracted employees
or whatever they are, the next lawsuit is going to be.
You mean, I can't be coached more than twenty hours.
(18:53):
I mean, it's stupid, it really is. It's so so
bad and we're trying to We're doing some things to
try to change that.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, talking to Mike Shruzszewsky, the Hall of Famer Special
Advisor to NBA Basketball operations, is Cooper Flag good enough
to make the Olympic team?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Not right now, but he will be, you know, hopefully
no injuries or whatever. You know, he's not only talented,
he has he has a love of the game. And
he is a competitive kid. I mean, he is as
competitive as any freshman that has come into Duke. And
(19:36):
I'm not saying he's more competitive than some of the
elite guys we had, but as competitive and and he
has a game that translates. He doesn't have a position.
He's just a damn good basketball player and a winner.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Speaking of competitors, Christian Latner isn't in the Basketball Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
He send the he is as a member of the
Dream Team.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now I'm talking about individually. Why hasn't he had his
day just college career alone.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, he's in the college Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But the one in Springfield where Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
It's very difficult to get into this Naismith Basketball Hall
of Fame. And uh if I'm not sure anybody's who's
done it just with the college career. Uh. In fact,
that's why we started, just in the turn of this century,
(20:39):
we started uh uh the College Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Uh but college coaches get in there, so not many.
I mean, there's one of the top five college players
of all time? Would you say?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I agree? So? Uh one, I'm I'm sure he's been nominated,
and you go and through the selection process, and you know,
you if they're the things would be given more to
an NBA player consideration than a collegiate player. And so
(21:20):
that competition then is with probably somebody who had a
fifteen to eighteen year career. You know, it was all
NBA five times. And but I agree with you. I mean,
Christian was the winningest player we've ever had, a duke.
(21:40):
He was the most competitive.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And don't you just want to hear that speech when
he gets inducted.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, it'd be a good one. And I can just
say I'm coming up and he said, yeah, this is
a great honor and I want to thank Dan Patrick.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And he should.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah. Yeah. I are you only saying that because you want,
you know, him to be recognized, Yeah, to be recognized.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'm surprised more don't recognize me in their whole. Like
when Jordan was up there, I thought i'd give a
shout and get a shout out from him. I mean
he roasted everybody. I thought he would give me a
shout out. But yeah, I guess that's partial for why
I want.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, well, Christian, you know, Christian really understood the game.
And uh he he does some coaching now in camps
and clinics and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But he had a long NBA career as well. I
mean it wasn't decorated, but still.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Which takes away then from the consideration. In other words,
if it's a cut a continuance of the ex and
so it doesn't add that you were in the NBA,
it's were you an All Star? Were you all? You know,
did you make the first team defensive teams? Like, Uh,
(23:02):
it's very difficult to get into the Naismith Hall of Fame,
it really is. And and uh, that doesn't that's not
a knock on Christian. Obviously, I love Christian and he
made me a hell of a coach.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, he helped you get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Coach he did, you know, as h for a coach
to get in. We got a lot of help from
a lot of players.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was wondering about when the Lakers were talking to
Dan Hurley. Yeah, and you were advising the Lakers, I believe,
uh not just insulting.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now, Rob Plink and I are friends. But no, I
wasn't consulting.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh so you you didn't have any say in Dan
Hurley or JJ.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, I talked. I never talked to the Lakers about
Danny and Danny And actually was on the phone with
Danny last night for about an hour about uh, changing
college basketball his family.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
There need to change it. He's winning coach.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, No, you have to always look at improving it.
But no, I talked to Polenka, you know, Rob and
JJ during that process. Of course I did you know. Uh,
it'd be uh, that would be wrong if I didn't.
But I wasn't a consultant.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
OK.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, I mean that that that's taken it a little
bit too.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Far, giving you a little too much credit. There. Is
there anything interesting in the office. Is this like the
main office where you have all the awards and like
people can come in and see how great you are.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
This is my conference room. You know, I still work
at Duke. If you should come in my office. I
don't have all that busy stuff that you have on
your desk. I have really like accomplishments. Your desk is
a wanna bee, you know, my desk is a be Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm in your office. I would probably steal something. We
have cameras, it doesn't matter. I'm out the door. I'm better.
Maybe I would take your high school jersey. Didn't you
leave the city of Chicago and scoring? So you probably
had that frame there in your office.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Just a Catholic League.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Okay, but you still led the Catholic League in scoring, right, But.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
No, I don't have any high school things up.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Okay, okay, I have West.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Point things us a Duke, and uh my office is
pretty pretty neat. And you're you're invited to come at any.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Time, anytime, anytime, anytime.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You have to have somebody in the office with you
while you're here.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, why not you?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, Well, I may not be here, I got so
I say anytime, yeah, and anytime you could you could
come in okay, and I could where you would get
lost in memories of all the being the nostalgic person
that you are.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you think I would openly weep if I was
in your office in soul from joy.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I can't believe this happened. Then, okay, oh and that happened,
and that happened.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm getting I'm getting emotional just thinking about.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It, right, Coach, I didn't realize Yeah he did all that. Yeah,
you think it would walk out in wonderment.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Well, I'm glad you're doing well and always talk to you.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
So, by the.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Way, I'm headed off to Napa I host a v
wine celebration there. It's raised in the last twenty five
years one hundred and sixty million to fight cancer, and
we're going to raise probably twelve to fifteen million this weekend.
It's a great grade event in Napa Valley.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's a little late notice for me to go, but
I know what you're doing, Like, is this a fake invite?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah? Do you do you ever drink wine?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes? I do?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Okay, Yeah, specials like red white cabs.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Uh you know yeah? Wait did you say South Bronx. No, oh,
I thought you said South Bronx. I'm like a Bronx.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Do you your bottles have quarks?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yes they do, Okay, but you can get like Australia
I mean they had the twist off and there's nothing
wrong with that, Coach.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, In fact, that shows me you know a little
bit more than I thought you know about wine.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Thank you, coach. And you know who you.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Should get on the show. Who really who's a great
friend and really knows wine from coaches? Is Pop Greg Popovich.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
He doesn't. I've been trying for twenty years to get Pop.
He doesn't do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh I hear that, but I'll never know that. So
I'm going to take care of you a great Yeah,
put in a good for me. We'll talk just wine.
I won't talk anything else other than why.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
He'll knock your socks off with wine.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Save travels to NAPA, And thanks again for the faux invite.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And you know, I'm gonna take a picture pictures of
my office and send them.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That'd be nice. That'd be nice, coach.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It'd be like a wish list, a dream. Yeah, yeah, right,
you know those places that you have not visited before.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah. Winners, Yeah, yeah, you're right, thank you, coach. That's
Mike Skrushevski won three gold medals his team USA's head coach.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
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Speaker 2 (28:43):
So the movie is The Instigators and American heist comedy
film by the director Doug Lyman, who did the Born
movies with him, and once again It'll be on Apple
TV Plus next Friday, August ninth. Big time movie star
Matt Damon joining us on the program. You know, watching
the Olympics. They're in Paris, and I keep thinking of
the Born Identity, all the places that you were going through,
(29:06):
all the action. I don't know, do you go back
at some of these cities you're in were you filmed
a movie and go, oh, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yeah for sure. I drive my kids crazy. I took
them to Paris once and just was pointing everything out
and they were just like shut up. They're like, we
get it. You lived here.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Did you do that in Boston though, when you're shooting
a movie.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Yeah, for sure. I mean a lot of that. I mean, well,
I remember with my dad. This is ten years ago.
We went up for his birthday and he walked, we
all walked into Boston Commons and we showed them the
bench they hadn't even seen Goodwill Hunting at that point.
But we sat on the bench and we took a
picture as a family on that bench where Robin delivers
(29:50):
that amazing monologue.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
But at what point, like all your movies, your kids
are good to watch all of them?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, if they want to. It's you know, I have
one daughter who's very resistant to watching anything she thinks
might be good. So if she hears a movie isn't
that good? She she she watches it and then gives
me a hard time about it. But but yeah, I don't,
I don't. I don't like have movie marathons, and like.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You could punish them. Hey, instead of a time out,
you go watch it.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
You're gonna watch you and make you watch every single
one of my movies.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But isn't The director is Doug who did the Boorn movies.
He's doing this movie with you and Casey exactly.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, and he was he was the first guy
we went to because Doug if So he did the
Bourne Identity, but he also did Swingers, Go Mister and
Missus Smith Edge of Tomorrow, like all of his movies
are are just so kind of tonally interesting and funny
and entertaining and and so that's what this was. This
is a comedy set in Boston, and it's it's it's
(30:57):
kind of a heightened reality because it's a comedy, but
it needs to feel grounded and needed to be really
funny and fun. And so was the he was the
first choice for it.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So there's gonna be a couple of car chases. I'm
gonna guess if Doug's.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Down, absolutely, well, Doug's involved, there has to be a
car chase. But what was fun about this one is
it's like, you know, we did the Jason Bourne car chase,
and that's a character who always knows where he's going.
He is aggressively going at his next best option all
the time. And like in this one, I'm playing a
guy who's never committed a crime. He's never been in
a car chase. And so it was a very different
type of car chase, which was fun. Which was fun
(31:33):
to do.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Your relationship with Casey Affleck as opposed to Ben held
different on set.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Well, Casey drives me crazy and he always has. Casey's
like my little brother. So when we were growing up,
Casey's five years younger than me, so he was tagging
along all the time when we were young, and then
you know, when he graduated high school, he came out
and lived with us, and we were all struggling actors
to get and we've kind of been through all these
phases and now for the last whatever thirty years or so,
(32:05):
we've both been adults. And so that's so our relationship.
The nature of our relationship definitely changed over those three decades.
But he's he's incredibly incredibly tenacious and picky and opinionated,
and so it makes But because we've known each other
(32:25):
for so long, we have a shorthand. So it's it's nice.
You don't spend any time on diplomacy, on being overly
kind to somebody. You just kind of solve the problems
a little quicker and and and and that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But see playing himself in Goodwill Hunting, No.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Not at all, he's playing. He's playing a kind of
a heightened version of of what we wrote in Goodwill Hunting.
He's like kind of over the top. And and no,
he's not. He's not annoying in that way at all.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Instigators Apple TV Plus this Friday, August second, talking to
Matt Damon, are you guys doing the uh Fritz Peterson
Mike Kekache wife swapping Yankee movie.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
No, they had a script for that like ten years
ago that I that was. That was pretty good and
a couple actors circled it and then it never it
never took off. But it's actually a good question. I
wonder if we could revive it. It was. It was actually
a really uh well written script, So I don't know,
it just never it never gained enough momentum to get
it made.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
God, but it's so crazy, like that'd be something you'd
make up and then if you said it's true, people
would be like, no, that's not the wait these teammates
swapped wives and got.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
No, no, it's it's It's a totally crazy story. It
literally almost we almost got a green light, I think
twice with two different casts. I think Casey was looking
at one of the roles for a while. I think
chan Channing Tatum was looking at one of the roles
for it like it was, it almost happened and then
kind of faded.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Where were you when the Celtics won the title?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Man?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Uh, where was I when the Celtics won the title.
That's an excellent question. I was in my I was, yeah,
I was in my house, jumping up and down kind of.
I At times I get like, I'm I want to
go to these events and I want to go to
these games. I did go in twenty eighteen to the
(34:17):
Dodgers Red Sox to game to the final game, to
Game six, as it turned out to be the final game.
But more often than not, I like watching at home.
I feel safer at home. I feel like I feel
like I'm not going to jinx the team in any
way if I'm just on my cap now.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But You're surrounded by women, so is anybody sharing in
this glory with you?
Speaker 7 (34:36):
They get into it. For me, I feel like a
lot of the time, you know, they they they let me.
They kind of give me my space to kind of
cheer on the Boston teams. And they know and they've
been to Boston enough to understand that we're not normal
up there, so they you know, they they they're very
tolerant of me.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But do you have friends in the neighborhood, like guys
who could come over and like, I'm worried that you're
just alone in your man cave cheering.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Sometimes I am, I mean, in the Brady days when
the kids were young, I would you know, we were
living in la and I would wake up, you know
that a lot of those games were ten am and
i'd you know, make breakfast and you know, get the
kids situated, and it's like, let's not talk to dad
till one.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You did the Rugby movie and victis, do do you
know all the rules? Because we were watching yesterday the
women they got the bronze, but are you.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Yeah, and they beat Australia, which is incredible, Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
But are you aware of all the rules right now?
With rugby?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
No? No, absolutely not. And even when I did the movie,
as many times they tried to explain it to me.
You know, it's basically a field position game. But but
I but I couldn't. I couldn't quite master it. And
even and normally, you know, you kind of do a
lot of the stunts or the tackles or things like that.
We realized really quickly with Rugby there was no way
(35:49):
to guarantee you know, anybody's because you go into one
of those scrums or you could and everyone's getting their
faces cleated, and you know, and if that happens to me,
obviously the movie shuts down for two weeks, so pretty
quickly Clint Eastwood was like, all right, your stunt man's
gonna do everything. We're gonna put you in for the
close up. So then I really didn't know anything about rugby.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But that's just jacked as you'd probably have been it
for a role, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yeah, I probably. I probably was fifteen pounds heavier than
I am now like I but it was a specific
type of work and to get that nineteen ninety four
Rugby body.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, but it's gone, that's long gone. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Well, it's tough to hold on to that. You gotta eat. Yeah,
it's a lot of chicken you gotta eat to keep that,
to keep that extra muscle on.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
All right, so explain you know what's the plot for
The Instigators?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
All right?
Speaker 7 (36:40):
So The Instigators is a movie. It's like, you know,
Casey and I did Oceans eleven together, Like these two
guys could never make it on that that crew. Like
this is like the worst heist team you've ever seen.
My character's never committed a crime before, but he's kind
of forced into this heist because he needs money, and
Casey's characters are kind of a criminal who's just not
(37:01):
very good at it, and so we try to pull
off a heist and it goes about as well as
you might imagine, and then we have to go on
the run and we end up in listening the help
of my psychiatrist to go on the run with us.
So that's basically the plot. It's a comedy, it moves
very fast, and hopefully it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Great to talk to you again. I always have to
ask any other Born movies.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
I mean, I heard that they have a script that
they're happy with, and you know, if that's the case,
then I'll get it, hopefully in the next month or so.
And I'm always open to it. I mean, I really
am desperate for somebody to come up with a good idea.
I love the character. Obviously, it changed the trajectory in
my career, so I'm very grateful for the character, and
I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Do it again. I say this on the show all
the time. I don't care where it is in the movie.
If I'm clipping, you know, flipping through, I don't care
which one I stop. And I watch it and I've
watched it many many times, so I'd love to get
on more. Maybe you're your semi retired or you know,
you're you're on a cruise ship or something.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Literally, there are eight studio executives from Universal sitting forward
in their chairs right now waiting.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
For you to finish that thought.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
If you can figure out a good way to do it, damn,
we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay, Damn, that'd be great. Hey, great to talk to you.
Good luck with a movie, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Thanks man, thanks for having me. Good to see you
all right.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
The Instigators
Hosts And Creators
Todd "Fritzy" Fritz
Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
Marvin Prince
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