August 7, 2024 • 41 mins
4-time Olympic medal winning sprinter, Ato Boldon drops by to talk about the pressures of running big races. And former NFL QB Chris Simms joins the show to preview the preseason quarterback play we are likely to see.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hour two on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan That's
Dan Patrick Show. Coming up, we'll hear from former Olympian
Otto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist. He's working for NBC.
Get his thoughts on all of the sprinting, all the
track and field that we've seen so far. Eight seven
seven to three. DP Show email Addressdpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter
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carrying the program. I have odds to win the NFL
Rookie of the Year and it is a runaway right now.
It's Caleb Williams and then it's Jaden Daniels. The player
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who I think is going to be the Rookie of
the Year is third on that list. So Caleb Williams,
Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Junior, the third is my pick
for Rookie of the Year. Malik Neighbors of the Giants
is fourth on that list. So Caleb Williams is the
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big favorite. Jaden Daniels of the Washington and then Marvin
Harrison Junior. I also have odds to win the Comeback
Player of the Year case you're wondering about that, the
odds to win. Now, we thought Damar Hamlin was going
to win last year? Was that Joe Flacco who ended
up getting comeback.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
From the Dad's not good enough anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Joe came back from his couch, Damar Hamlin came back
from dying. But I wasn't voting on it. Would you
guys like to take a stab the odds to win
the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award? Paul Aaron Rodgers? Yes, yeah, eh,
that's a good one. Good guess that's a good one.
Then it's Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins, Anthony Richardson, and Nick Chubb.
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But Aaron Rodgers, who was voted one of the top
one hundred players this past season, even though he only
played four plays, he was one of the top one
hundred players. He must I have to go back and
look at those four plays that he was in on.
He must have been unbelievable for the Jets. Four plays
and he's one of the top one hundred players. This
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is why I hate those lists, those polls where you're like, hey,
vote on this, Do you vote for your friend? Do
you vote against somebody? I mean, are you getting a
true sense? Patrick Mahomes is the best player in football,
the most valuable player in football. He wins championships. This
is like Michael Jordan. When they go, you know, Carl
Malone had a good year, Charles Bark, they go, Mike
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is going to win a championship. That is makes you
the best player. Patrick Mahomes is the best player in football.
Tyreek Hill is wonderful. He's wonderful, but he's not better
than Patrick Mahomes. Now you can say, is he faster
and he's more talented. I guess all I know is
when it comes to greatness, who's winning. Patrick Mahomes is winning.
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That's value. That makes you the best player. I don't
care who else you put in there, It is Patrick Mahomes.
So those list are silly. And the fact that Aaron
Rodgers played four plays and he was in the top
one hundred. Crazy stat of the day has always brought
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Experienced the Olympics like you've never seen them before Primetime
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in Paris Tonight, NBC and Peacock. This guy has been
a well busy man. Here, Otto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist,
a silver, three bronze. Now it's good to see you.
You have a silver and three bronze. If I said
you could have one gold, but you can't have your
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silver and three bronze, would you take the one gold
over a silver and three bronze yesterday?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Of course? Okay, absolutely, okay, absolutely, I love my medals,
but to be able to say that you're Olympic champion
has a.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Nice ring to it, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Okay, what if I said one gold or four silvers?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Still the gold? Still the gold?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay? Do you want the one hundred or the two
hundred hundred?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You want to be in this sport, yeah, you want.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You want the sexy events, the mile and the hundred.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Not that the other ones aren't great, but those are
the ones that are reviewed.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You had the lean by Noah Lyles and and you're
you're taught to do this. I don't know how often
you practice that lean with your chest as opposed to
your head or your hands or whatever, but explain that
to us as a former uh you know world track,
uh star of what you do with the tape and
how often you practice that. Oh, we lost him, otto
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can you hear me? And we'll see if we can
get him once again. Thought it was a great question,
and I thought maybe he was taking time. Yeah, there's
always been this there, this way.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, it's it's it's always going to be this way.
It's always going to be this way. It's never changed
in ours.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yep, we'll try it again here. Well, we'll reset with
Auto Bolden by the way eight seven seven three DP
show email address, DP Atdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle, a
DP show a Seaton poll question as we wait to
get Auto Bolden back.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, we got a few of them up here. Let's
see would you rather have one gold or four silvers?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Eighty percent of the audience are taking the gold medal?
Okay who pulled out of the proposed trade patriots or
Brandon Ayuk. That's a seventy four percent Brandon Ayuk situation.
And whose career would you rather have three six Mafia
or Diane Warren?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Three six Mafia winning with sixty seven percent?
Speaker 7 (06:00):
What that is?
Speaker 6 (06:01):
This a slight to the great Diane Warren. Okay, but
that's again that's taking the gold medal. Yeah, I would
still take the four silver.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know, if I said it was over four Olympics,
I'd still take the silvers over one goal. Four Olympics
is definitely different. Yes, that is true.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Also a little bit later on, we'll talk to the
man who is responsible for the sculpting of the Hall
of Fame bus at the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
So that'll be coming up. The White Sox win front
runner Marvin has his White Sox hat on. They've ended
the streak at twenty one games, right, and now no
one cares about the White Sox. You win, now you're irrelevant.
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If you're going to be in it, be in it
to win it, and that is win it. With the
worst losing streak in baseball history. Stand they ended up with. Yeah,
I know, they ended up winning, and now nobody's going
to care about the White Sox.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yes, Mark, the play by play guy, do you think
that's his you know, signature saying south side stand up?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
He's been waiting to say that for two months. Well,
he doesn't sound that excited when he says it. Here
is how it sounded last night. Everybody deserves a win
after this streak.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
This could do it out to left field coming in,
Ben attending.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And the streak is over.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
After twenty one l's in a row, the White Sox
come to the West Coast and get their first win
in a long time. Say it with me, south Side
stand up?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Okay, that's become a little bit of a thing with
the White Sox. I think south side stand up? Yeah, yeah, okay,
I think all season they have a little bit. And
I don't know if everybody is on board and White
Sox fandom with south side stand up?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I don't know if it was convincing outside. Yeah,
calmly walked to the exit.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Stand they've been sitting for a month and you are all
cramped up.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
South stand up. The father son combination Larry and Gavin
Sheets now now tied for the all time losing streaks.
So you got the father son situation here. Gavin Sheets
plays for the White Sox, his dad, Larry, played for
the nineteen eighty eight Orioles, who also lost twenty one
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games in a row. Neither of them did did anything
really during their twenty one game losing streaks, but Gavin
Sheets and Larry Sheets, father son combo, both played on
teams that lost twenty one consecutive games.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Now stand of a day, stall of a day, start
outa day, scant outa day.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is the stat of the day that will never
be broken. That will never that's a record that will
never be broken. You got father son and they're both
going to lose twenty one consecutive games for separate franchises.
Pretty amazing. But the White Sox winning last night, and
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they did so, beating the Oakland A's to end their
losing streak at twenty one games in a row. Also
nearly had a no hitter last night. Framberg Valdez nearly
had a no hitter one out away from his second
career no hitter.
Speaker 9 (09:27):
When this happened, Conter goes and there's a swing and
a high fly ball dude about to right Thetarmicks beat.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
There goes the no hitter, and the Rangers are off the.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Meat yep, they came with it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I guess Correy Seeker's done that twice now with two
outs where he broke up. He also broke up a
no hitter back in twenty sixteen. Matt Moore is auto
back with us. Yes, I am alrighty my.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Really buddy, Paris Hotel.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
WIFEI guys, okay, let me go back to leaning. At
the tape. Noah Lyles ends up winning the gold fastest
man in the world. Tell us about the process of that.
When you're a sprinter, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Not the sort of thing that you would practice very often,
but certainly leading into a championship setting. It's something that
is a coach you go over with your appet Hey,
remember the difference between gold and silver, bronze and no
metal might be the lean.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
It's always been the case.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I've seen a lot of people online going, oh no,
it's the foot at speed skating. Oh no, you can
win buy a nose. That would be horse racing. In
our sport, it's the torso. The first tor so that
touches that left side of the finish line, that's the
person who wins. So there, well, I saw the photo.
There's about two inches when you blow it up between
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Noah and KSh Shane Thompson of Jamaica. At that point
zero zero five seconds on the clock. That's the difference
last Sunday night between gold and silver.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
How long do you think you saying Bolt's record time
in the Olympics will stand.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They're not getting anywhere near that record for well, the
hundred be the record. I think it's going to last
a little longer. No, if he wasn't doubling, I would
think he would have maybe a chance to get a
little closer to it. He's put one two away from
it now with his nineteen point three one American record.
I think both two hundred meter record will go first.
The hunter is going to take a little longer.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
No, I think he.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Improves his start maybe. And to Shane Thompson certainly of Jamaica,
who got the silver medal, has a chance at down
the road and just.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The build of you saying bold like that's how rare
is that in sprinting that you have somebody who what
is he six two six three?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
No, are you saying it's six five?
Speaker 7 (11:58):
To have some?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, to have some at six five be the Olympic champion,
the world record holder and greatest ever is unheard of
in the in the past, I mean Carl Lewis, Olympic
Christie and the generation before. Both those guys were tall
at six two or six three, but six ' five
he's an anomaly because he has you know, he has
those big old legs which can cover so much ground.
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But he also has an amazing turnover for somebody who
you know, like me, is only five nine.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
We get caught up in speed in other sports like football,
like Tyreek kill. Okay, you know where I'm going with
this period. Tyreek Hill have world class speed.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Tyreek Hill has the world class speed. He's one of
the few guys that I look at him when announcers
on a Sunday say that's world class feed. I go, yep,
that is world class speed. You can probably cut up
the world class speed in the NFL. Actually, on like
one hand, maybe two, there's a lot of guys that get,
you know, getting lauded with, oh yeah, that's world class feed.
World class beed is not the ability to just hit
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a top a top end speed. The world class speed
means you hit it and then you're able to hold
it at eighty meters into that one hundred meter dash.
No Allows was not yet decelerating. And that's what's making
that what's makes him special and uh and that's why
he has the Olympic goal medal.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But if Tyreek Hill and Noah Lyles did a sixty
meter dash, it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Wouldn't be pretty. Tryree tried to sixty a couple of
years ago, and no, he's not training for it, and
his body's been beat by the NFL and he has
to be a lot bulk here. And I get all
of that. I coach a ton of football players. But
Tyreek ran sixty seven. Noah this year ran sixty four.
That may not seem like a lot in terms of
the mask, but it's that's a that's a that's.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
A butt wooman forty yard dash?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
What about it?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Same thing? If they ran forty.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
No, obviously it would be a little closer. And Noah's not,
you know, the greatest starter ever, So no, it would
be a little closer. And maybe if they ran ten times,
you know, Tyrek would get closed once or twice.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
He's auto Bolden. He'll be on the call Track and
Field on NBC. Four time Olympic medalist. The peripheral vision
that you have to have, Like how important is that
in certain races of being able to see what's on
the side of you.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's important. But the thing about peripheral vision is the
faster you are going, the more it can lie to you.
So if I'm standing still, my peripheral vision can be
one hundred percent. Trust that I have a sense of
if somebody is ahead of me, or even with me,
or behind. When you're running at twenty seven miles an
hour like Noah was last Sunday night in that one
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hundred meter final, it can deceive you. And sometimes you
think somebody's ahead, they're actually behind. It can be a
little confusing when you're going that fast. So sprinters are thought, okay,
you can. I mean, your periferal vision will be there,
but don't take it as gospel. It's almost like you're
your spider mirroring your car, you know, objectune or mirror
close to him. Their fear like that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
What's coming up this week that we should keep an
eye on.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I think the thing now that that amazing fifteen fifteen
hundred meter run I was had last night. I think
the thing that everybody's looking forward to now is men's
fourner meter finals tonight. And of course Sidney McLoughlin of
Roni versus Femicables of the Netherlands, the two best of
all time in the four hundred meter hurdles. Not that
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the men's four hundred meter hurdles isn't going to be
great because in that rate you have the three best
of all time and American Ride Benjamin is undefeated in
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What's it like getting in the starting blocks one hundred meters?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I say that, I mean, look, I have kids, and
I remember the birth of my kids, as we all do.
But I also remember all my Olympic finals, particularly in
one hundred, and to see it last Saturday for the
women and last Sunday for the for the men, reminded
me of how special moment it is. It's you and
the other seven fastest people in the world. There's a
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helicopter above the entire stadium. It's hushed, and you know
that you are going to be remembered for the rest
of your life by how you do in this one race.
It's why boat it's a megastar. It's why Carl Lewis
is revered everywhere he goes Michael Johnson obviously in the
two and the four. But it is a very special
moment and not one that you ever ever forget.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But put us in that moment of what do you
what do you hear? Aside from the gun.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Going on, if I can think back that far. It's
been a while since my last music final. You hear, yeah,
a little bit of the crowd. What I used to
try to hear was my own inner thoughts, saying, you know,
respond well to the gun. Be patient in your dry phase,
which is that first twenty or thirty when guys still
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have their head down looking at the track, kind of
pushing their way through the first part of the race.
And then you always want to tell yourself, old panic,
don't be tense, relax your way all the way through.
And that's what Noah did. A no I had a
master class in it last Sunday night on my Instagram.
Your your viewers and listeners can go to it. I
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broke it down kind of zero to one hundred. Why
Noah won, it's because he didn't plan it, because at
one point he was last in the race. In fact,
at ten twenty thirty and forty meters, Noah las was
in dead last, but he ran the last sixty faster
than anybody else, and that's why he's the Olympic champion.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Do neighborhood dads ever want to race you.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
All the time. It's like boxing and sprinting. If you're
like the heavyweight chances were like they see you, they
put their hands up. When people know you're a sprinter
or an ex sprinter, used to be one of the
world's fastest men, They're like, hey, you want to raise
how fast is he can run out? It's like, okay, guys,
all right, all right, did it easy there?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Just line them all up, you know, charge you make
it like a fantasy camp. You know, five dollars. I'm
gonna raise you, and then we're gonna put this to bed. Okay, okay,
I got it, I got it. Thanks for joining us
as always. Hope you having fun over there. It sounds
great and uh we look forward to talking to you again.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I'm having a ball. Thanks for having you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Thank you, buddy, Auto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist, world
champ and Hall of Famer, College Hall of Famer. We're
gonna take a break. Chris Sim's gonna join us. We'll
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
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Always great to see Chris Simms, Pro Football Talk Live
co host and of course the contributor to Football Night
in America. It's been a while since we've seen you.
A lot to catch up on here, but let me
start with the I guess still in the headlines with
(19:34):
Brandon Nyuk. Not a question of if, but more like
when and where? What do you think happens in this situation?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I think ultimately I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I think that the forty nine ers and Brandon Ayuk,
I do think they're gonna part ways, right.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I don't think it's gonna be like, I don't think
it's a guarantee. Right.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
We heard Shanahan yesterday say he's still open to keeping Ayeyuk,
and I think that if he doesn't get the right
deal for a guy who's a first round pick and
certainly an number one receiver, then you know he'll bite
the billet and deal with the situation. But I mean, yeah,
we're far down the road where obviously, hey, go out there,
see if you can find a deal, find a trade partner.
(20:12):
There are teams willing to trade for Brandon Ayuk, right.
I think the big thing, too is what teams is
he's willing to go to, because he has power in
this situation.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
But it does seem inevitable that it's going to happen here.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But the Niners were preparing for this. They drafted wide
receivers and it's almost as if it was a foregone
conclusion that either Debo or Ayuk was going to go.
But I can't blame Brandon Ayuk for wanting to get paid.
I think we look at it and go, why would
you go at age twenty six from a Super Bowl
contender to maybe a team, Well, he's not going to
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go to the Patriots, But Steelers are the Browns.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Yeah, Steelers, Brown's right commanders are probably in that conversation
as well as one of the teams you hear about. Yeah,
it's it's I think more about he wants to be
paid where he does thinks he deserves.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
To be paid.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
And I think that's the big conversation with some of
these guys out there, right, I mean, from all due
accounts of what you hear from people around the league,
A little bit right there was hey, wait, I want
this much money. I want this much money. And then
aman Ross, Saint Brown and AJ Brown side new deals
and all of a sudden, the line of demarcation or
what he wanted as far as his new contract changed,
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So I think that changed things as well. The forty
nine ers have a lot of other contracts they're trying
to balance out here. But that's the big question to me, Dan,
and I think it's a little bit with cdee Lamb. Listen,
I'm a guy that would sit here and tell you
AJ Brown, Chase Jamar, Chase Tyreek Kill justin Jefferson there
in another class in my opinion, from the rest of
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the NFL. So I don't think anybody should be paid
quite that, but I think that's where.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Really it's, you know, the rubber hits the road.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
There is ayutes mad and he thinks he should be
paid up in that category or somewhere close to it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We saw the situation unfold overnight ESPN article and the
Eagles that looking back on what happened last season, they
had a great start, they had a terrible finish. Now
you're hearing the relationship between quarterback and coaches not great.
I don't know if it's salvageable. You're bringing a new
offensive coordinator. Where are the Eagles right now in the
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pecking order of teams in the NFC given what we
just read about?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, right, well, listen to the NFC.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
I don't think has a ton of what I would
call super Bowl caliber type of football teams. Right, We've
got a lot of playoff teams, but I think when
you get into super Bowl caliber teams, the Eagles are
certainly on that short list. Come on, it's an all
star team. It's arguably the best O line in football.
It might be the best duo receivers in football. The
D line's probably the best in football.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
The rest of their defense ain't bad either, so they
got a lot of stuff there that that should not
be acceptable with the way that you're ended last year,
I think the big thing is, and you hear a
lot of this and listen, I don't know the exact story,
but yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
There's been issues.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
There is issues, whether it's with how players feel about
Jalen Hurts in the locker room or even Nick Sirianni
in the locker room, there's definitely issues there. So where
there's smoke, there's fire, and I think everybody around the
league kind of knows that, right, Jalen Hurts is not
loved by everybody in the locker room, certainly not. And
I think that Nick Sirianni has some of that same
stuff there in the locker room as well that they're
(23:23):
dealing with. But their big thing from last year Dan
was the other coordinators. That was the issue, right Nick
Sirianni moving on to the Indianapolis Colts, he is one
of the best offensive mines in football, and they certainly
had a guy there in Brian Johnson who was not
ready for NFL football offensive coordinator duty. And then we
know and the defensive side of the ball, it was
really the same issue. So I expect a better team
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this year because Vic Fangio is as good as it gets.
And then of course we know we got Kelln Winslow there,
I do think is a step up, right Kellen Moore, Sorry,
Kevin Winslow, we don't want.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Him, no old school. Yeah, It's just weird that a
quarterback goes to the line of scrimmage and he and
his wide receiver decide they're going to go rogue here
with a game on the line in Seattle that you
know that was highlight so speak so a lot, right, yes, right, yes, yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Like I would if I ever did that, right and
did it I played the few games that I did
with John Gruden, you would know before I got off
the sideline that I did something wrong and that he
would lay into me. I mean even I remember I
was on the phone with my dad. My dad was
at shock.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Right.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
I can't even imagine doing that. If I did that
with ourselves, Oh my gosh, I don't know if I'd
been on the Giants the next day, right, So yeah,
that's certainly a disconnect between coach, quarterback, and maybe culture
all together.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
There in Philadelphia last year, we're.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Talking to Chris Sims Pro Football Talk live co host
Football Night in America analyst as well. It's gotten to
the point where we look at these quarterbacks and we're like, yeah,
you should start. And it didn't used to be that way.
You needed one two maybe even three years before you
got in. Now it's c J Stroun kind of change things.
I'm not going to say ruin things, but certainly change
(25:05):
the expectations for Caleb Williams and maybe Jayden Daniels this year.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Well one, I'm one that's in favor of always playing
the guy right, as long as you feel like he's
somewhat physically and mentally ready to take it, take on
the challenge. To me, the game reps they can't be
emulated in practice no way, right, So that to me
is the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Definitely. There are cases every.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Now and then, right Drake may would about being a
guy up in New England where I go. I don't
know if I feel that way. There's mechanical issues, there's
decision making issues him. Might do him some good to
sit on the bench for a year, work on some
of those things and see what the NFL game is
all about. But the rest of the crew, that's why
I love them so much. Coming out in the draft,
I thought they were about his NFL ready as I
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had seen in a while. As far as a group
of quarterbacks and know how to play the quarterback position.
Jade and Daniels, Caleb Williams, we know no doubt they're
gonna start. It's the other two guys that I think
it's It's dicey, right, you get the bow Knicks. Hey,
there's some real talent and competition there. Jared Stidham's a
hell of a player. He's got starting quarterback caliber traits there, right,
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But we know ultimately Sean Payton's gonna want to get
his guy. Bo Nix looks like he could be Drew
Brees junior, all right, So there's that situation. And then
who's the fourth I'm missing?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
That's another one, very similar Sam Darnold starting caliber talent, right,
I mean the forty nine ers were thoroughly impressed by
him last year, so he's capable of running that offense
up there and making it look good. But I still
think ultimately you're gonna see Kevin you know McCarthy somewhere
in the early part of the season, if not to
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start the season.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
When it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I had a pro personnel person tell me that the
Jets talent level is elite. I get that, their defense elite.
I mean, there's a lot, a lot of great things
about the Jets, But why do I have this question
mark on how good they can be?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (27:06):
I think we got to see the old line, right,
You got to see it to believe it. I think
that's the first thing. We haven't seen a good old
line there in New York on either team and quite
some time. Is Aaron Rodgers still who he thinks he is?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Right? I have questions about that. His last year in
Green Bay was.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Not very good, right, I mean it is so, and
then that last year not playing at all either, and
then being the age he is and the injury he had.
I certainly questioned that to a degree. But everything else, Dan,
I mean, it's top notch there. I mean, we know
they got pretty good talented receiver, they got decent tight ends,
a stable of running backs, and the defense is as
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talented as it gets in football at all three levels.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
To me. The other part with the Jets, Dan is
is scheme. It is scheme.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
You know they play that Seattle scheme on defense is
very good, but it doesn't necessarily create turnovers and win
games for them sometimes, like Cleveland Brown's defense did last year. Right,
they're multiple, they do crazy stuff. They had some games
their offense played like crap, but you went, oh my gosh,
the defense is gonna win the game by themselves, and
they did that. The Jets because they're so simple there.
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I wish they were a little more creative. I think
they could get more out of the defense as far
as playmaking. And then, of course we know Nathaniel Hackett
and the offense is certainly a question mark two.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
It's like big time talent, but I'd like to see
a little first before you know, we start pounding the
Super Bowl chant here.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
When do you make your Super Bowl picks?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Probably late August, right like that, right before the that
week before the regular season.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
But I've definitely been thinking about it lately.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I certainly have we brought this up on the show.
I did. Is Eli Manning going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (28:47):
I don't think he is a first ballot Hall of
Famer type talent. I certainly think he's a Hall of Famer.
But to me, like I'm old school and that first
ballots are like guys where it's like they're in a
special Oh, Ray Lewis, so we don't have to think
about it. Lawrence Taylor, no doubt about it. John Elway,
what come on, get out of here.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
You're in your own special room. Eli Manning, damn good,
We know that, right.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
But there's a lot of other things on his resume
that I think you could sit there and go, well,
that's not first ballot Hall of Fame worthy?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Can you be objective? And with the following question who
had a better career Eli or your father?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Well, you know, I.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Think Eli had a better career because he got to
play in that second Super Bowl would win it right
where my dad, of course was hurt in Week fourteen
and nineteen ninety and then they went on and won
the Super Bowl with Jeff Hosteller. So I think that
kind of gives the edge to Eli Manning.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, your dad was a better regular season quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think my dad was a better talent and a
better player. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
I don't know if his career was good, but I
think when you get into the talent and the player,
and maybe the talent he had around him. Offense, Like
most people my age can't name one receiver that played
for my dad, right, you go through the Eli Manning
Giants and you go, damn, it's one All Star after
another wide receiver. So there are some things there that's
good conversation. Eli's career is better. But I do think
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Dad was a better player.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I do.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I'll say that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But if David Tyree drops that ball, is Eli Manning
a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Well, that's a good question. I don't know b.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Be right on the line, who would be? Well, he
certainly shouldn't have been the MVP of the Super Bowl.
I know that for sure. Somebody on that defense it
is the greatest offense we ever saw ever. Absolutely yes,
And you know seventeen to fourteen with Brady and Randy
Boss and Wes Welker and crew, that was incredible.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
But we know Eli certainly had to clutch Gene. There's
no question in that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Luke Keighley is up for the Hall of Fame. First
mant Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
I think he's Yeah, I do. I do now, because again,
Luke Keighley, how many years did we go through and
go well, the best linebacker in football is Luke Keigley. Oh,
the second best linebacker is Luke Keigley. That to me,
it like jumps out to you when when you go
through a period of time and there's no doubt you're
the one or two or three best at your position
for a consistent or consistent period of time. That to
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me is when you start talking about first ballot Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, it's tricky, and I agree with you. There's certain
players that you say their name and you go all
Hall of Famer, right, And I don't know if that's
the litmus test for who is a first ballot Hall
of Famer. If I just say this name and you respond,
does that mean you're a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I think it usually is.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
I mean, you know, there might be a little nuance
every now and then, but I think the ones that
hit you in the face, and it goes back to
like the Dion Sanders right, like upper Room that he
talks about, I do agree with him. There there's a
hall of fame within the Hall of Fame. Reggie White,
Lawrence Taylor, Dion Sanders, Peyton Manning, right, Tom Brady was
in there. Right, they're in a little different class than
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some of those other people I saw in the Hall
of Fame when I go there and walk the brown
and I.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Don't have any problem if we had a different shade
of gold jacket for first ballot Hall of Famer, Like
it should be gold.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
It should be a goal literally have a little gold
in it, like the Notre Dame helmet or something.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
You gotta suckle some gold down there. They get that
to be in the special room.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I think if you're a first ballot Hall of Famer,
you deserve to be singled out so then people realize
we're all Hall of famers. That guy's the first ballot
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I would agree with that one hundred percent. I would yeah. Again.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
You know there's certain players that just were above and
beyond right, and I think we've named a few of
them throughout time where yeah, I mean again, if you
hear stories about my dad playing the Eagles back in
the day, the first five meetings were like Reggie White,
Reggie White, how do we stop Reggie White? Reggie White,
that's first ballot Hall of Famer. And when I played
against Ray Lewis and the Baltimore Ravens. It was a
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very similar conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I always thought Ed Reid was more valuable than ray Lewis.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Well, it's a good conversation. I mean again, there's another guy.
There's no doubt we're talking about right in his own room.
First ballot, Ed.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Was Ad and Troy Poulomalo.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
During that time when you played quarterback work torture for
quarterback because you were like, wait, why are they here?
They should be doing this, what is he doing? Are
they telling him to do this? Or is he just freelancing?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right?
Speaker 7 (33:20):
So they had great instincts and they really knew offense
and what the offense was trying to do. Really really
special player.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Good to talk to you, Bud. We'll talk to you soon.
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
All right, buddyd be good.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Say how to the guys, Chris says, high guys. Chris
Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host and contributor to
Football Night in America. We'll come back. Charles Barkley is
staying at TNT. Surprise, We'll have that for you next.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (33:54):
We've had Charles Barkley on this show, maybe as much
as any other guest in our history. And I've known
Charles for over three decades and he's comfortable coming on,
and we've talked a lot about what they were doing
at TNT. Then all of a sudden, they're going to
lose the NBA. What's Charles going to do? Is he
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going to go to ESPN, He's going to go to Amazon.
They're going to create their own show. I didn't think
that he would be staying at TNT unless they weren't
going to let him out of his contract, and he
did allude to that that they would have to let
him out of his contract to be able to go
to these other networks and be part of their NBA
covered since TNT won't have the NBA after next season.
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And when I saw the report yesterday that Charles is
staying at TNT and they're going to use him in
a variety of roles here, almost like Snoop Dogg is
being used at the Olympics. He over here in equestrian Hey,
he's here with Basco, He's here with gymnastics, and maybe
Charles with hockey. With March Madness, baseball postseason, there's going
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to be a variety of things that Charles will be
involved in their golf coverage. But I don't know if
you're going to get twenty million dollars out of Charles
the way you did before with March Madness and certainly
the NBA on TNT, and I think he said that
he signed a ten year, two hundred million dollar deal
a couple of years ago. But I thought if they
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lose the NBA, I guess I thought there would be
language in there if you don't have the NBA that
he would be free to go. But he did talk
about when he came on maybe the last time of
the time before that TNT would have to let him
out of his contract, and I thought, well, what are
they going to use him for? Well, apparently they're going
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to try to put him in a variety of positions here,
variety of roles with a variety of sports and try
to market it that way, which I understand. And then
Charles said, hey, I'm going to retire. I don't think
anybody thought he was going to retire. I tried to
be respectful when he said it, because it's like Okay,
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maybe maybe he downsizes a little bit here, doesn't it
do as many things? But I just thought, you know,
you want to talk about a twenty five thirty million
dollar a year guy. Look at I mean, CBS is
paying Tony Romo eighteen million. Well, TNT's paying Charles twenty million.
Who's getting their money's worth out of that? TNT certainly did.
(36:25):
But we got to see Charles a lot more than
we do Tony Romo because he'll be on eighteen games
and then a couple of playoff games. You know, every couple
of years he's there at the super Bowl. But I
just wonder what Amazon would have ponied up for Charles
Barkley or ESPN. I mean, if ESPN's paying you know,
McAfee a certain amount or steven A, what are you
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going to pay Charles Barkley? You're going to have to
pay something commensurate to that. But I was I was
surprised that Charles unless he can't get out of his contracts.
The only thing I thought, and I did reach out
to a former TV executive yesterday and he said, look,
I'm not privy to language in his contract, but CNT
(37:07):
may just say, look, we want you like you're valuable
to us. There's nobody like you in TV right now.
Let's use you for all the entities that we have.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I go.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I guess that makes the most sense because if you're Charles,
you're identifiable with basketball. People know you with basketball. You
know basketball. But now you're going to be going to
hockey games, or you're going to boat baseball postseason. You're
already going to do March Madness. But I wondered about that,
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and what do you get out of that with Charles
other than the oh, Charles is there. Now it takes
on a little more importance, but fewer events for him
to be involved in, so that's good for his schedule.
I was just surprised that Charles didn't want to still
be involved with basketball.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I don't know, can TNT still do a basketball wrap
up show? I mean I would, I'm sure they've explored that,
But can you say NBA wrap up show? You think
they could put it all together and still do that?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Or a nightly sports show that's hooked around the sports
of the evening and Charles is the lynchpin of whatever
show it is.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
But if I have Shaq in there and Kenny and Ernie.
It feels like you could get you could do something
on a nightly basis. Now, I don't know, if you're
the NBA and they don't have the rights to that,
do you want to give them that opportunity to still
promote your product? Are they gonna let them use video?
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So it kind of tricky.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Yes, I think it's gonna be trickier too to get
people to tune change the channel from the game over
to them to watch and they go back.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
I think like in theory it sounds great, but in
actually sitting on your couch, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I think that's going to be tricky to do. Plus,
what time would you air it? It's going to be
eleven o'clock every night you have to wait to all
the games are over type thing. So I don't know.
Maybe there's nothing there. But I wondered, could T and
T give you a give you that show? But they
they sell it to Amazon, they market to Amazon and
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then they get paid for I don't know, having those
guys still together. Yeah, Paulie, I.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Wonder if you could do like a second screen show
on digital only where Charles and whomever are just chopping
up a game that's bringing broadcast live kind of like
a Manning cast, but without the game rights, and you're
just like a hangout around the basketball game where you
could choose to click on it with your phone or
with your tablet or whatever.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
It may be.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
A wait where you don't need the game rights to
the game video. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know
the legalities and logistics of that, but it just seems
like a wasted opportunity that you can't still utilize them
with the NBA. But Charles staying there, I think he's
got what seven years left on that contract. Uh, we'll
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get Charles on, We'll ask him the questions. See how
close he got to maybe leaving? Could he leave? Did
they not let him out of his contract? He's always
been too honest with us. He gets in trouble, he'd
be like, boy, why do you ask me them questions?
I go cause I have to ask you those you need.
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You need to have those questions answered. Yes, Paul, you
know what happens is the first time you asked Charles.
You know I can't talk about that. Yeah, you know,
I'll be honest with you. I can't. You know, I
can't talk about that man. Our bosses are it's here.
Uh okay, A bunch of nerves, yeah, a bunch of knuckleheads,
all right, Final Hour on the Way. He is the
(41:08):
sculptor for the Hall of Fame. Bust got some stories
to tell. Well, uh chat with him coming up. His
name is Blair Bustwell, first thing I got to ask
him is why not put a T in Bustwell, so
it's Bust. Well that's what you do for a living.
Come on, Blair findal Hour on the Way Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hour two on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan That's
Dan Patrick Show. Coming up, we'll hear from former Olympian
Otto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist. He's working for NBC.
Get his thoughts on all of the sprinting, all the
track and field that we've seen so far. Eight seven
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(00:26):
handle at TP show. Good morning. Those watching on Peacock
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carrying the program. I have odds to win the NFL
Rookie of the Year and it is a runaway right now.
It's Caleb Williams and then it's Jaden Daniels. The player
(00:49):
who I think is going to be the Rookie of
the Year is third on that list. So Caleb Williams,
Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Junior, the third is my pick
for Rookie of the Year. Malik Neighbors of the Giants
is fourth on that list. So Caleb Williams is the
(01:09):
big favorite. Jaden Daniels of the Washington and then Marvin
Harrison Junior. I also have odds to win the Comeback
Player of the Year case you're wondering about that, the
odds to win. Now, we thought Damar Hamlin was going
to win last year? Was that Joe Flacco who ended
up getting comeback.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
From the Dad's not good enough anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Joe came back from his couch, Damar Hamlin came back
from dying. But I wasn't voting on it. Would you
guys like to take a stab the odds to win
the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award? Paul Aaron Rodgers? Yes, yeah, eh,
that's a good one. Good guess that's a good one.
Then it's Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins, Anthony Richardson, and Nick Chubb.
(01:57):
But Aaron Rodgers, who was voted one of the top
one hundred players this past season, even though he only
played four plays, he was one of the top one
hundred players. He must I have to go back and
look at those four plays that he was in on.
He must have been unbelievable for the Jets. Four plays
and he's one of the top one hundred players. This
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is why I hate those lists, those polls where you're like, hey,
vote on this, Do you vote for your friend? Do
you vote against somebody? I mean, are you getting a
true sense? Patrick Mahomes is the best player in football,
the most valuable player in football. He wins championships. This
is like Michael Jordan. When they go, you know, Carl
Malone had a good year, Charles Bark, they go, Mike
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is going to win a championship. That is makes you
the best player. Patrick Mahomes is the best player in football.
Tyreek Hill is wonderful. He's wonderful, but he's not better
than Patrick Mahomes. Now you can say, is he faster
and he's more talented. I guess all I know is
when it comes to greatness, who's winning. Patrick Mahomes is winning.
(03:04):
That's value. That makes you the best player. I don't
care who else you put in there, It is Patrick Mahomes.
So those list are silly. And the fact that Aaron
Rodgers played four plays and he was in the top
one hundred. Crazy stat of the day has always brought
you by Panini America, the official trading cards of this program.
Experienced the Olympics like you've never seen them before Primetime
(03:25):
in Paris Tonight, NBC and Peacock. This guy has been
a well busy man. Here, Otto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist,
a silver, three bronze. Now it's good to see you.
You have a silver and three bronze. If I said
you could have one gold, but you can't have your
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silver and three bronze, would you take the one gold
over a silver and three bronze yesterday?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Of course? Okay, absolutely, okay, absolutely, I love my medals,
but to be able to say that you're Olympic champion
has a.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Nice ring to it, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Okay, what if I said one gold or four silvers?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Still the gold? Still the gold?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay? Do you want the one hundred or the two
hundred hundred?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You want to be in this sport, yeah, you want.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You want the sexy events, the mile and the hundred.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Not that the other ones aren't great, but those are
the ones that are reviewed.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You had the lean by Noah Lyles and and you're
you're taught to do this. I don't know how often
you practice that lean with your chest as opposed to
your head or your hands or whatever, but explain that
to us as a former uh you know world track,
uh star of what you do with the tape and
how often you practice that. Oh, we lost him, otto
(04:58):
can you hear me? And we'll see if we can
get him once again. Thought it was a great question,
and I thought maybe he was taking time. Yeah, there's
always been this there, this way.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, it's it's it's always going to be this way.
It's always going to be this way. It's never changed
in ours.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yep, we'll try it again here. Well, we'll reset with
Auto Bolden by the way eight seven seven three DP
show email address, DP Atdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle, a
DP show a Seaton poll question as we wait to
get Auto Bolden back.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, we got a few of them up here. Let's
see would you rather have one gold or four silvers?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Eighty percent of the audience are taking the gold medal?
Okay who pulled out of the proposed trade patriots or
Brandon Ayuk. That's a seventy four percent Brandon Ayuk situation.
And whose career would you rather have three six Mafia
or Diane Warren?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Three six Mafia winning with sixty seven percent?
Speaker 7 (06:00):
What that is?
Speaker 6 (06:01):
This a slight to the great Diane Warren. Okay, but
that's again that's taking the gold medal. Yeah, I would
still take the four silver.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know, if I said it was over four Olympics,
I'd still take the silvers over one goal. Four Olympics
is definitely different. Yes, that is true.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Also a little bit later on, we'll talk to the
man who is responsible for the sculpting of the Hall
of Fame bus at the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
So that'll be coming up. The White Sox win front
runner Marvin has his White Sox hat on. They've ended
the streak at twenty one games, right, and now no
one cares about the White Sox. You win, now you're irrelevant.
(06:43):
If you're going to be in it, be in it
to win it, and that is win it. With the
worst losing streak in baseball history. Stand they ended up with. Yeah,
I know, they ended up winning, and now nobody's going
to care about the White Sox.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yes, Mark, the play by play guy, do you think
that's his you know, signature saying south side stand up?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
He's been waiting to say that for two months. Well,
he doesn't sound that excited when he says it. Here
is how it sounded last night. Everybody deserves a win
after this streak.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
This could do it out to left field coming in,
Ben attending.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And the streak is over.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
After twenty one l's in a row, the White Sox
come to the West Coast and get their first win
in a long time. Say it with me, south Side
stand up?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Okay, that's become a little bit of a thing with
the White Sox. I think south side stand up? Yeah, yeah, okay,
I think all season they have a little bit. And
I don't know if everybody is on board and White
Sox fandom with south side stand up?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I don't know if it was convincing outside. Yeah,
calmly walked to the exit.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Stand they've been sitting for a month and you are all
cramped up.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
South stand up. The father son combination Larry and Gavin
Sheets now now tied for the all time losing streaks.
So you got the father son situation here. Gavin Sheets
plays for the White Sox, his dad, Larry, played for
the nineteen eighty eight Orioles, who also lost twenty one
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games in a row. Neither of them did did anything
really during their twenty one game losing streaks, but Gavin
Sheets and Larry Sheets, father son combo, both played on
teams that lost twenty one consecutive games.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Now stand of a day, stall of a day, start
outa day, scant outa day.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is the stat of the day that will never
be broken. That will never that's a record that will
never be broken. You got father son and they're both
going to lose twenty one consecutive games for separate franchises.
Pretty amazing. But the White Sox winning last night, and
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they did so, beating the Oakland A's to end their
losing streak at twenty one games in a row. Also
nearly had a no hitter last night. Framberg Valdez nearly
had a no hitter one out away from his second
career no hitter.
Speaker 9 (09:27):
When this happened, Conter goes and there's a swing and
a high fly ball dude about to right Thetarmicks beat.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
There goes the no hitter, and the Rangers are off the.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Meat yep, they came with it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I guess Correy Seeker's done that twice now with two
outs where he broke up. He also broke up a
no hitter back in twenty sixteen. Matt Moore is auto
back with us. Yes, I am alrighty my.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Really buddy, Paris Hotel.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
WIFEI guys, okay, let me go back to leaning. At
the tape. Noah Lyles ends up winning the gold fastest
man in the world. Tell us about the process of that.
When you're a sprinter, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Not the sort of thing that you would practice very often,
but certainly leading into a championship setting. It's something that
is a coach you go over with your appet Hey,
remember the difference between gold and silver, bronze and no
metal might be the lean.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
It's always been the case.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I've seen a lot of people online going, oh no,
it's the foot at speed skating. Oh no, you can
win buy a nose. That would be horse racing. In
our sport, it's the torso. The first tor so that
touches that left side of the finish line, that's the
person who wins. So there, well, I saw the photo.
There's about two inches when you blow it up between
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Noah and KSh Shane Thompson of Jamaica. At that point
zero zero five seconds on the clock. That's the difference
last Sunday night between gold and silver.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
How long do you think you saying Bolt's record time
in the Olympics will stand.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They're not getting anywhere near that record for well, the
hundred be the record. I think it's going to last
a little longer. No, if he wasn't doubling, I would
think he would have maybe a chance to get a
little closer to it. He's put one two away from
it now with his nineteen point three one American record.
I think both two hundred meter record will go first.
The hunter is going to take a little longer.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
No, I think he.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Improves his start maybe. And to Shane Thompson certainly of Jamaica,
who got the silver medal, has a chance at down
the road and just.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The build of you saying bold like that's how rare
is that in sprinting that you have somebody who what
is he six two six three?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
No, are you saying it's six five?
Speaker 7 (11:58):
To have some?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, to have some at six five be the Olympic champion,
the world record holder and greatest ever is unheard of
in the in the past, I mean Carl Lewis, Olympic
Christie and the generation before. Both those guys were tall
at six two or six three, but six ' five
he's an anomaly because he has you know, he has
those big old legs which can cover so much ground.
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But he also has an amazing turnover for somebody who
you know, like me, is only five nine.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
We get caught up in speed in other sports like football,
like Tyreek kill. Okay, you know where I'm going with
this period. Tyreek Hill have world class speed.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Tyreek Hill has the world class speed. He's one of
the few guys that I look at him when announcers
on a Sunday say that's world class feed. I go, yep,
that is world class speed. You can probably cut up
the world class speed in the NFL. Actually, on like
one hand, maybe two, there's a lot of guys that get,
you know, getting lauded with, oh yeah, that's world class feed.
World class beed is not the ability to just hit
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a top a top end speed. The world class speed
means you hit it and then you're able to hold
it at eighty meters into that one hundred meter dash.
No Allows was not yet decelerating. And that's what's making
that what's makes him special and uh and that's why
he has the Olympic goal medal.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But if Tyreek Hill and Noah Lyles did a sixty
meter dash, it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Wouldn't be pretty. Tryree tried to sixty a couple of
years ago, and no, he's not training for it, and
his body's been beat by the NFL and he has
to be a lot bulk here. And I get all
of that. I coach a ton of football players. But
Tyreek ran sixty seven. Noah this year ran sixty four.
That may not seem like a lot in terms of
the mask, but it's that's a that's a that's.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
A butt wooman forty yard dash?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
What about it?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Same thing? If they ran forty.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
No, obviously it would be a little closer. And Noah's not,
you know, the greatest starter ever, So no, it would
be a little closer. And maybe if they ran ten times,
you know, Tyrek would get closed once or twice.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
He's auto Bolden. He'll be on the call Track and
Field on NBC. Four time Olympic medalist. The peripheral vision
that you have to have, Like how important is that
in certain races of being able to see what's on
the side of you.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's important. But the thing about peripheral vision is the
faster you are going, the more it can lie to you.
So if I'm standing still, my peripheral vision can be
one hundred percent. Trust that I have a sense of
if somebody is ahead of me, or even with me,
or behind. When you're running at twenty seven miles an
hour like Noah was last Sunday night in that one
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hundred meter final, it can deceive you. And sometimes you
think somebody's ahead, they're actually behind. It can be a
little confusing when you're going that fast. So sprinters are thought, okay,
you can. I mean, your periferal vision will be there,
but don't take it as gospel. It's almost like you're
your spider mirroring your car, you know, objectune or mirror
close to him. Their fear like that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
What's coming up this week that we should keep an
eye on.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I think the thing now that that amazing fifteen fifteen
hundred meter run I was had last night. I think
the thing that everybody's looking forward to now is men's
fourner meter finals tonight. And of course Sidney McLoughlin of
Roni versus Femicables of the Netherlands, the two best of
all time in the four hundred meter hurdles. Not that
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the men's four hundred meter hurdles isn't going to be
great because in that rate you have the three best
of all time and American Ride Benjamin is undefeated in
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What's it like getting in the starting blocks one hundred meters?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I say that, I mean, look, I have kids, and
I remember the birth of my kids, as we all do.
But I also remember all my Olympic finals, particularly in
one hundred, and to see it last Saturday for the
women and last Sunday for the for the men, reminded
me of how special moment it is. It's you and
the other seven fastest people in the world. There's a
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helicopter above the entire stadium. It's hushed, and you know
that you are going to be remembered for the rest
of your life by how you do in this one race.
It's why boat it's a megastar. It's why Carl Lewis
is revered everywhere he goes Michael Johnson obviously in the
two and the four. But it is a very special
moment and not one that you ever ever forget.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But put us in that moment of what do you
what do you hear? Aside from the gun.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Going on, if I can think back that far. It's
been a while since my last music final. You hear, yeah,
a little bit of the crowd. What I used to
try to hear was my own inner thoughts, saying, you know,
respond well to the gun. Be patient in your dry phase,
which is that first twenty or thirty when guys still
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have their head down looking at the track, kind of
pushing their way through the first part of the race.
And then you always want to tell yourself, old panic,
don't be tense, relax your way all the way through.
And that's what Noah did. A no I had a
master class in it last Sunday night on my Instagram.
Your your viewers and listeners can go to it. I
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broke it down kind of zero to one hundred. Why
Noah won, it's because he didn't plan it, because at
one point he was last in the race. In fact,
at ten twenty thirty and forty meters, Noah las was
in dead last, but he ran the last sixty faster
than anybody else, and that's why he's the Olympic champion.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Do neighborhood dads ever want to race you.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
All the time. It's like boxing and sprinting. If you're
like the heavyweight chances were like they see you, they
put their hands up. When people know you're a sprinter
or an ex sprinter, used to be one of the
world's fastest men, They're like, hey, you want to raise
how fast is he can run out? It's like, okay, guys,
all right, all right, did it easy there?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Just line them all up, you know, charge you make
it like a fantasy camp. You know, five dollars. I'm
gonna raise you, and then we're gonna put this to bed. Okay, okay,
I got it, I got it. Thanks for joining us
as always. Hope you having fun over there. It sounds
great and uh we look forward to talking to you again.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I'm having a ball. Thanks for having you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Thank you, buddy, Auto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist, world
champ and Hall of Famer, College Hall of Famer. We're
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
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Always great to see Chris Simms, Pro Football Talk Live
co host and of course the contributor to Football Night
in America. It's been a while since we've seen you.
A lot to catch up on here, but let me
start with the I guess still in the headlines with
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Brandon Nyuk. Not a question of if, but more like
when and where? What do you think happens in this situation?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I think ultimately I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I think that the forty nine ers and Brandon Ayuk,
I do think they're gonna part ways, right.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I don't think it's gonna be like, I don't think
it's a guarantee. Right.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
We heard Shanahan yesterday say he's still open to keeping Ayeyuk,
and I think that if he doesn't get the right
deal for a guy who's a first round pick and
certainly an number one receiver, then you know he'll bite
the billet and deal with the situation. But I mean, yeah,
we're far down the road where obviously, hey, go out there,
see if you can find a deal, find a trade partner.
(20:12):
There are teams willing to trade for Brandon Ayuk, right.
I think the big thing, too is what teams is
he's willing to go to, because he has power in
this situation.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
But it does seem inevitable that it's going to happen here.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But the Niners were preparing for this. They drafted wide
receivers and it's almost as if it was a foregone
conclusion that either Debo or Ayuk was going to go.
But I can't blame Brandon Ayuk for wanting to get paid.
I think we look at it and go, why would
you go at age twenty six from a Super Bowl
contender to maybe a team, Well, he's not going to
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go to the Patriots, But Steelers are the Browns.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Yeah, Steelers, Brown's right commanders are probably in that conversation
as well as one of the teams you hear about. Yeah,
it's it's I think more about he wants to be
paid where he does thinks he deserves.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
To be paid.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
And I think that's the big conversation with some of
these guys out there, right, I mean, from all due
accounts of what you hear from people around the league,
A little bit right there was hey, wait, I want
this much money. I want this much money. And then
aman Ross, Saint Brown and AJ Brown side new deals
and all of a sudden, the line of demarcation or
what he wanted as far as his new contract changed,
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So I think that changed things as well. The forty
nine ers have a lot of other contracts they're trying
to balance out here. But that's the big question to me, Dan,
and I think it's a little bit with cdee Lamb. Listen,
I'm a guy that would sit here and tell you
AJ Brown, Chase Jamar, Chase Tyreek Kill justin Jefferson there
in another class in my opinion, from the rest of
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the NFL. So I don't think anybody should be paid
quite that, but I think that's where.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Really it's, you know, the rubber hits the road.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
There is ayutes mad and he thinks he should be
paid up in that category or somewhere close to it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We saw the situation unfold overnight ESPN article and the
Eagles that looking back on what happened last season, they
had a great start, they had a terrible finish. Now
you're hearing the relationship between quarterback and coaches not great.
I don't know if it's salvageable. You're bringing a new
offensive coordinator. Where are the Eagles right now in the
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pecking order of teams in the NFC given what we
just read about?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, right, well, listen to the NFC.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
I don't think has a ton of what I would
call super Bowl caliber type of football teams. Right, We've
got a lot of playoff teams, but I think when
you get into super Bowl caliber teams, the Eagles are
certainly on that short list. Come on, it's an all
star team. It's arguably the best O line in football.
It might be the best duo receivers in football. The
D line's probably the best in football.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
The rest of their defense ain't bad either, so they
got a lot of stuff there that that should not
be acceptable with the way that you're ended last year,
I think the big thing is, and you hear a
lot of this and listen, I don't know the exact story,
but yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
There's been issues.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
There is issues, whether it's with how players feel about
Jalen Hurts in the locker room or even Nick Sirianni
in the locker room, there's definitely issues there. So where
there's smoke, there's fire, and I think everybody around the
league kind of knows that, right, Jalen Hurts is not
loved by everybody in the locker room, certainly not. And
I think that Nick Sirianni has some of that same
stuff there in the locker room as well that they're
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dealing with. But their big thing from last year Dan
was the other coordinators. That was the issue, right Nick
Sirianni moving on to the Indianapolis Colts, he is one
of the best offensive mines in football, and they certainly
had a guy there in Brian Johnson who was not
ready for NFL football offensive coordinator duty. And then we
know and the defensive side of the ball, it was
really the same issue. So I expect a better team
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this year because Vic Fangio is as good as it gets.
And then of course we know we got Kelln Winslow there,
I do think is a step up, right Kellen Moore, Sorry,
Kevin Winslow, we don't want.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Him, no old school. Yeah, It's just weird that a
quarterback goes to the line of scrimmage and he and
his wide receiver decide they're going to go rogue here
with a game on the line in Seattle that you
know that was highlight so speak so a lot, right, yes, right, yes, yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Like I would if I ever did that, right and
did it I played the few games that I did
with John Gruden, you would know before I got off
the sideline that I did something wrong and that he
would lay into me. I mean even I remember I
was on the phone with my dad. My dad was
at shock.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Right.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
I can't even imagine doing that. If I did that
with ourselves, Oh my gosh, I don't know if I'd
been on the Giants the next day, right, So yeah,
that's certainly a disconnect between coach, quarterback, and maybe culture
all together.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
There in Philadelphia last year, we're.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Talking to Chris Sims Pro Football Talk live co host
Football Night in America analyst as well. It's gotten to
the point where we look at these quarterbacks and we're like, yeah,
you should start. And it didn't used to be that way.
You needed one two maybe even three years before you
got in. Now it's c J Stroun kind of change things.
I'm not going to say ruin things, but certainly change
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the expectations for Caleb Williams and maybe Jayden Daniels this year.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Well one, I'm one that's in favor of always playing
the guy right, as long as you feel like he's
somewhat physically and mentally ready to take it, take on
the challenge. To me, the game reps they can't be
emulated in practice no way, right, So that to me
is the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Definitely. There are cases every.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Now and then, right Drake may would about being a
guy up in New England where I go. I don't
know if I feel that way. There's mechanical issues, there's
decision making issues him. Might do him some good to
sit on the bench for a year, work on some
of those things and see what the NFL game is
all about. But the rest of the crew, that's why
I love them so much. Coming out in the draft,
I thought they were about his NFL ready as I
(25:51):
had seen in a while. As far as a group
of quarterbacks and know how to play the quarterback position.
Jade and Daniels, Caleb Williams, we know no doubt they're
gonna start. It's the other two guys that I think
it's It's dicey, right, you get the bow Knicks. Hey,
there's some real talent and competition there. Jared Stidham's a
hell of a player. He's got starting quarterback caliber traits there, right,
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But we know ultimately Sean Payton's gonna want to get
his guy. Bo Nix looks like he could be Drew
Brees junior, all right, So there's that situation. And then
who's the fourth I'm missing?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
That's another one, very similar Sam Darnold starting caliber talent, right,
I mean the forty nine ers were thoroughly impressed by
him last year, so he's capable of running that offense
up there and making it look good. But I still
think ultimately you're gonna see Kevin you know McCarthy somewhere
in the early part of the season, if not to
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start the season.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
When it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I had a pro personnel person tell me that the
Jets talent level is elite. I get that, their defense elite.
I mean, there's a lot, a lot of great things
about the Jets, But why do I have this question
mark on how good they can be?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (27:06):
I think we got to see the old line, right,
You got to see it to believe it. I think
that's the first thing. We haven't seen a good old
line there in New York on either team and quite
some time. Is Aaron Rodgers still who he thinks he is?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Right? I have questions about that. His last year in
Green Bay was.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Not very good, right, I mean it is so, and
then that last year not playing at all either, and
then being the age he is and the injury he had.
I certainly questioned that to a degree. But everything else, Dan,
I mean, it's top notch there. I mean, we know
they got pretty good talented receiver, they got decent tight ends,
a stable of running backs, and the defense is as
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talented as it gets in football at all three levels.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
To me. The other part with the Jets, Dan is
is scheme. It is scheme.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
You know they play that Seattle scheme on defense is
very good, but it doesn't necessarily create turnovers and win
games for them sometimes, like Cleveland Brown's defense did last year. Right,
they're multiple, they do crazy stuff. They had some games
their offense played like crap, but you went, oh my gosh,
the defense is gonna win the game by themselves, and
they did that. The Jets because they're so simple there.
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I wish they were a little more creative. I think
they could get more out of the defense as far
as playmaking. And then, of course we know Nathaniel Hackett
and the offense is certainly a question mark two.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
It's like big time talent, but I'd like to see
a little first before you know, we start pounding the
Super Bowl chant here.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
When do you make your Super Bowl picks?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Probably late August, right like that, right before the that
week before the regular season.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
But I've definitely been thinking about it lately.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I certainly have we brought this up on the show.
I did. Is Eli Manning going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (28:47):
I don't think he is a first ballot Hall of
Famer type talent. I certainly think he's a Hall of Famer.
But to me, like I'm old school and that first
ballots are like guys where it's like they're in a
special Oh, Ray Lewis, so we don't have to think
about it. Lawrence Taylor, no doubt about it. John Elway,
what come on, get out of here.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
You're in your own special room. Eli Manning, damn good,
We know that, right.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
But there's a lot of other things on his resume
that I think you could sit there and go, well,
that's not first ballot Hall of Fame worthy?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Can you be objective? And with the following question who
had a better career Eli or your father?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Well, you know, I.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Think Eli had a better career because he got to
play in that second Super Bowl would win it right
where my dad, of course was hurt in Week fourteen
and nineteen ninety and then they went on and won
the Super Bowl with Jeff Hosteller. So I think that
kind of gives the edge to Eli Manning.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, your dad was a better regular season quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think my dad was a better talent and a
better player. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
I don't know if his career was good, but I
think when you get into the talent and the player,
and maybe the talent he had around him. Offense, Like
most people my age can't name one receiver that played
for my dad, right, you go through the Eli Manning
Giants and you go, damn, it's one All Star after
another wide receiver. So there are some things there that's
good conversation. Eli's career is better. But I do think
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Dad was a better player.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I do.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I'll say that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But if David Tyree drops that ball, is Eli Manning
a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Well, that's a good question. I don't know b.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Be right on the line, who would be? Well, he
certainly shouldn't have been the MVP of the Super Bowl.
I know that for sure. Somebody on that defense it
is the greatest offense we ever saw ever. Absolutely yes,
And you know seventeen to fourteen with Brady and Randy
Boss and Wes Welker and crew, that was incredible.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
But we know Eli certainly had to clutch Gene. There's
no question in that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Luke Keighley is up for the Hall of Fame. First
mant Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
I think he's Yeah, I do. I do now, because again,
Luke Keighley, how many years did we go through and
go well, the best linebacker in football is Luke Keigley. Oh,
the second best linebacker is Luke Keigley. That to me,
it like jumps out to you when when you go
through a period of time and there's no doubt you're
the one or two or three best at your position
for a consistent or consistent period of time. That to
(31:11):
me is when you start talking about first ballot Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, it's tricky, and I agree with you. There's certain
players that you say their name and you go all
Hall of Famer, right, And I don't know if that's
the litmus test for who is a first ballot Hall
of Famer. If I just say this name and you respond,
does that mean you're a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I think it usually is.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
I mean, you know, there might be a little nuance
every now and then, but I think the ones that
hit you in the face, and it goes back to
like the Dion Sanders right, like upper Room that he
talks about, I do agree with him. There there's a
hall of fame within the Hall of Fame. Reggie White,
Lawrence Taylor, Dion Sanders, Peyton Manning, right, Tom Brady was
in there. Right, they're in a little different class than
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some of those other people I saw in the Hall
of Fame when I go there and walk the brown
and I.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Don't have any problem if we had a different shade
of gold jacket for first ballot Hall of Famer, Like
it should be gold.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
It should be a goal literally have a little gold
in it, like the Notre Dame helmet or something.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
You gotta suckle some gold down there. They get that
to be in the special room.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I think if you're a first ballot Hall of Famer,
you deserve to be singled out so then people realize
we're all Hall of famers. That guy's the first ballot
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I would agree with that one hundred percent. I would yeah. Again.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
You know there's certain players that just were above and
beyond right, and I think we've named a few of
them throughout time where yeah, I mean again, if you
hear stories about my dad playing the Eagles back in
the day, the first five meetings were like Reggie White,
Reggie White, how do we stop Reggie White? Reggie White,
that's first ballot Hall of Famer. And when I played
against Ray Lewis and the Baltimore Ravens. It was a
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very similar conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I always thought Ed Reid was more valuable than ray Lewis.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Well, it's a good conversation. I mean again, there's another guy.
There's no doubt we're talking about right in his own room.
First ballot, Ed.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Was Ad and Troy Poulomalo.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
During that time when you played quarterback work torture for
quarterback because you were like, wait, why are they here?
They should be doing this, what is he doing? Are
they telling him to do this? Or is he just freelancing?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right?
Speaker 7 (33:20):
So they had great instincts and they really knew offense
and what the offense was trying to do. Really really
special player.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Good to talk to you, Bud. We'll talk to you soon.
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
All right, buddyd be good.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Say how to the guys, Chris says, high guys. Chris
Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host and contributor to
Football Night in America. We'll come back. Charles Barkley is
staying at TNT. Surprise, We'll have that for you next.
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Speaker 2 (33:54):
We've had Charles Barkley on this show, maybe as much
as any other guest in our history. And I've known
Charles for over three decades and he's comfortable coming on,
and we've talked a lot about what they were doing
at TNT. Then all of a sudden, they're going to
lose the NBA. What's Charles going to do? Is he
(34:14):
going to go to ESPN, He's going to go to Amazon.
They're going to create their own show. I didn't think
that he would be staying at TNT unless they weren't
going to let him out of his contract, and he
did allude to that that they would have to let
him out of his contract to be able to go
to these other networks and be part of their NBA
covered since TNT won't have the NBA after next season.
(34:35):
And when I saw the report yesterday that Charles is
staying at TNT and they're going to use him in
a variety of roles here, almost like Snoop Dogg is
being used at the Olympics. He over here in equestrian Hey,
he's here with Basco, He's here with gymnastics, and maybe
Charles with hockey. With March Madness, baseball postseason, there's going
(34:59):
to be a variety of things that Charles will be
involved in their golf coverage. But I don't know if
you're going to get twenty million dollars out of Charles
the way you did before with March Madness and certainly
the NBA on TNT, and I think he said that
he signed a ten year, two hundred million dollar deal
a couple of years ago. But I thought if they
(35:22):
lose the NBA, I guess I thought there would be
language in there if you don't have the NBA that
he would be free to go. But he did talk
about when he came on maybe the last time of
the time before that TNT would have to let him
out of his contract, and I thought, well, what are
they going to use him for? Well, apparently they're going
(35:42):
to try to put him in a variety of positions here,
variety of roles with a variety of sports and try
to market it that way, which I understand. And then
Charles said, hey, I'm going to retire. I don't think
anybody thought he was going to retire. I tried to
be respectful when he said it, because it's like Okay,
(36:03):
maybe maybe he downsizes a little bit here, doesn't it
do as many things? But I just thought, you know,
you want to talk about a twenty five thirty million
dollar a year guy. Look at I mean, CBS is
paying Tony Romo eighteen million. Well, TNT's paying Charles twenty million.
Who's getting their money's worth out of that? TNT certainly did.
(36:25):
But we got to see Charles a lot more than
we do Tony Romo because he'll be on eighteen games
and then a couple of playoff games. You know, every couple
of years he's there at the super Bowl. But I
just wonder what Amazon would have ponied up for Charles
Barkley or ESPN. I mean, if ESPN's paying you know,
McAfee a certain amount or steven A, what are you
(36:47):
going to pay Charles Barkley? You're going to have to
pay something commensurate to that. But I was I was
surprised that Charles unless he can't get out of his contracts.
The only thing I thought, and I did reach out
to a former TV executive yesterday and he said, look,
I'm not privy to language in his contract, but CNT
(37:07):
may just say, look, we want you like you're valuable
to us. There's nobody like you in TV right now.
Let's use you for all the entities that we have.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I go.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I guess that makes the most sense because if you're Charles,
you're identifiable with basketball. People know you with basketball. You
know basketball. But now you're going to be going to
hockey games, or you're going to boat baseball postseason. You're
already going to do March Madness. But I wondered about that,
(37:39):
and what do you get out of that with Charles
other than the oh, Charles is there. Now it takes
on a little more importance, but fewer events for him
to be involved in, so that's good for his schedule.
I was just surprised that Charles didn't want to still
be involved with basketball.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I don't know, can TNT still do a basketball wrap
up show? I mean I would, I'm sure they've explored that,
But can you say NBA wrap up show? You think
they could put it all together and still do that?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Or a nightly sports show that's hooked around the sports
of the evening and Charles is the lynchpin of whatever
show it is.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
But if I have Shaq in there and Kenny and Ernie.
It feels like you could get you could do something
on a nightly basis. Now, I don't know, if you're
the NBA and they don't have the rights to that,
do you want to give them that opportunity to still
promote your product? Are they gonna let them use video?
(38:50):
So it kind of tricky.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Yes, I think it's gonna be trickier too to get
people to tune change the channel from the game over
to them to watch and they go back.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
I think like in theory it sounds great, but in
actually sitting on your couch, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I think that's going to be tricky to do. Plus,
what time would you air it? It's going to be
eleven o'clock every night you have to wait to all
the games are over type thing. So I don't know.
Maybe there's nothing there. But I wondered, could T and
T give you a give you that show? But they
they sell it to Amazon, they market to Amazon and
(39:30):
then they get paid for I don't know, having those
guys still together. Yeah, Paulie, I.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Wonder if you could do like a second screen show
on digital only where Charles and whomever are just chopping
up a game that's bringing broadcast live kind of like
a Manning cast, but without the game rights, and you're
just like a hangout around the basketball game where you
could choose to click on it with your phone or
with your tablet or whatever.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
It may be.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
A wait where you don't need the game rights to
the game video. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know
the legalities and logistics of that, but it just seems
like a wasted opportunity that you can't still utilize them
with the NBA. But Charles staying there, I think he's
got what seven years left on that contract. Uh, we'll
(40:24):
get Charles on, We'll ask him the questions. See how
close he got to maybe leaving? Could he leave? Did
they not let him out of his contract? He's always
been too honest with us. He gets in trouble, he'd
be like, boy, why do you ask me them questions?
I go cause I have to ask you those you need.
(40:45):
You need to have those questions answered. Yes, Paul, you
know what happens is the first time you asked Charles.
You know I can't talk about that. Yeah, you know,
I'll be honest with you. I can't. You know, I
can't talk about that man. Our bosses are it's here.
Uh okay, A bunch of nerves, yeah, a bunch of knuckleheads,
all right, Final Hour on the Way. He is the
(41:08):
sculptor for the Hall of Fame. Bust got some stories
to tell. Well, uh chat with him coming up. His
name is Blair Bustwell, first thing I got to ask
him is why not put a T in Bustwell, so
it's Bust. Well that's what you do for a living.
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