August 16, 2024 • 41 mins
Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer in for Dan as they debate the Colin Kaepernick situation, whether or not he is being truthful when he says he still wants to play in the NFL. FSR MLB Insider Jon Morosi joins Doug and Dan to discuss this new proposed rule regarding starting pitchers, and to give his thoughts on the Dodgers. Plus, Doug and Dan talk about the Aaron Judge-Caitlin Clark comparison.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
What up with you?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Doug Gottlieb, Dan Byer and for Dan the Dan It's
Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're getting
ready for a great weekend. This is uh, this is it?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Kids?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
By the way, right?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Or?
Speaker 5 (00:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We get one more after that?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
What is it? Today's date? Sixteen?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, we got the like two more weekends this weekend
and then one more weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Week zero in college football is a week from tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The week zero thing is always weird. That's the pre
boarding thing, right. You can't board a plane before you
get bored a plane week zero. That's because college football
officially kicks off on the three first.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Then who plays next week?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Just so you've got the game in Ireland with Florida
State and Georgia Tech, but Nevada SMU play Hawaii plays.
I believe think about that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
SMU has waited, really since the death penalty, to be
at least judged among the nation's elite. Right, just want
to get in one of these conferences. They actually are
not taking any TV money, you know, they get SMU
has got plenty of money on their own. They do
anything they can to get in a big time football conference.
The one they get to join, bless you by the way, Dan,
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the one they get to join is just holding on
for hope that they get to keep to stay together. Meanwhile,
not just a game in Ireland, an ACC game in Ireland.
And then the whole thing is this for college football,
This is this is a year transition. And you could
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say I know what it's going to be like, but
you don't. We've never had a college football playoff. And
in addition to that, you have this massive expansion of
the Big Ten, the expansion of the Big Twelve, the
expansion of the SEC, the change in somebody these conferences.
It's really going to be fascinating to see. And then
of course you have the defending national champion Michigan.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Who on probation.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And oh yeah, by the way, they don't have their
head coach, and Jim Harbaugh is no longer going to
be what was it going to be the honorary captain.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Now he's like, now I need to spend more time with.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The Chargers, Like come on, man, that's just they didn't
want the optics of him having a show cause and
showing up his alma mater, which I think is weak
sauce they won the national championship. He's an alum of Michigan.
He was a hell of a player at Michigan. He
should be there week one of the season. What are
we actually doing here? But I'm just interested in what
(02:41):
you think of this point or what point Jim Harbaugh
was trying to bring up. Colin Kaepernick recently told Sky
Sports that he still wants to play in the NFL.
Earlier this week, New LA Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh wants
his former quarterback in the NFL, but as a member
of his coaching staff and not so much as a player.
He said, he's spoken to him multiple times. I love
but he's but he's not going to be on the
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coaching staff which is set for this year, and he's
not going to be playing on the roster either, Right,
what's your read into that quote, Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, my read into it is it originally was Kaepernick
was going to be a coach, and Harball also revealed
that he had spoken to him over the past couple
of years when he was at Michigan about being a
coach and so on the surface, and there's a lot more.
But on the Harbaugh point of view, I believe that
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Jim Harbaugh does not think Colin Kaepernick is a player
in the NFL anymore. And I think from the Jim
Harball point of view of different opinions with Kaepernick, but
on the Jim Harbaugh point of view, I think that's
what he is telling us. And that's my takeaway from it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
My takeaway is that, but my takeaways a little bit
more advanced, so as as many of you know, and.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think what mine's just basic.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
No, no, no, no, it's just just slightly different.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So just I'll just reintroduce myself because you know, we're
told like never assume in sports radio, right, So I've
been doing sports radio sports television for twenty one years
and three months ago is named head coach at Wisconsin
Green Bay. Obviously, even before my press conference had that,
I had to sit down here on the Dan Patrick
Show with Dan and one of the things that I
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tell players in recruiting, and I mean it is you
come play for me, especially if you come play for
me this year. That's special because I don't have a
track record. I don't have, you know, not John Caliperry
I can't say I put this guy in the NBA,
this guy in the NBA, this guy in the.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's an act of faith.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But I believe the college football in college basketball coaches
job and it's really always been this way, but it's
harder now with the transfer portal. When guy's moving is
you got to take care of your guys. The reason
you stick it out is because when you do, you
you have a football family that takes care of you.
That's that's how it works in college sports. That's your family.
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And one of the things that people don't understand when
they switch schools is you have the family right and
then the new family you go to. Some of these
guys are only there for you know, six nine months.
You're not really in that family, so you're family less
and they're like, why does that matter? Well, when you
need a job and you played college sports, the first
person you should be able to call is your coach, right,
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your coach, because those guys can pick up the phone
and get you job or give you some direction. They
are literally a second and sometimes first father for many people.
I think Jim Harbaugh takes that very very seriously, and
it strikes me as Colin Kaepernick is that guy, and
I'm gonna have that guy. I My dad had those guys,
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my brother's coach for twenty eight years. He has those
guys that you really want to help, Like, I just
want to help this dude, and he doesn't know how
to truly accept the help. He is not surrendered to
the realities of a situation. And here's where I bring
it up. If you remember, his shot of getting back
in the NFL was ruined by his girlfriend, right because
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he was gonna sign and remember with the Ravens. He
signed with the Races before they got Lamar Jackson. We're
gonna sign with the Ravens. And then his girlfriend and
I don't know if they're still together. I'm sorry, I
don't follow this, but she's a I think radio host
in New York City. She put out a she put
out a meme of Jango Unchained, like, you know the
slave owner in Jango Unchained, and compared it to Steve Bushatti, who's.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The owner of the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right, So, like, you're the owner of the Ravens and
you're called a slave owner by a guy who doesn't
have a job in the NFL, Like thanks, but no thanks. Right,
And that's that's Jim telling John take care of my guy. Plus,
remember his offensive coordinator who's now with the Chargers was
the offensive coordinator the Niners, was the offensive cordineer of
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the Ravens. You know you go back then as well, Right,
So it's all football family, and we try to take
care of you. And then your girlfriend has this meme
and Steve A. Schai's like, I'm not doing it. Sorry,
I'm not going to be called No one wants to
be called a slave owner when you're the owner of
an NFL football team. Like, sorry, not not doing it.
And so you fast forward to now he's not an
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NFL player, and I'm sure Jim called him up and
he's like, hey, why don't you come just come to camp,
work with Herbert. You know this offense, you played in
this offense, You're awesome in this offense. Just teach it
to justin Herbert. You know, see if you want to
do the coaching things, see how that feels to you.
And I'm guessing, and more than a guess that Kaepernick's
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like I still want to play, Like, yeah, we're not
doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And a big reason that guys have never given Kaepernick
a shot is not because they didn't want to give
him a shot. It's because if you cut him, are
you cutting him because of his political beliefs? Are you
cutting him because of his race?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No one wants to be called a racist.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No on wants You don't want to cut a guy
like it's a third string, fourth string, fifth quarterback, whatever.
But Kaepernick strikes me as a guy that here his
football family is trying to take care of him and
give him an opportunity to get back in the league
in an offense that he knows just learn to be
a coach. He probably still wants to play, and he
hasn't given up the pipe dream. He's just not dealing
with reality. And when you read that, that strikes me
(08:24):
as Jim Harbaugh going like, he's not get me a
player and you don't want to coach.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Sure, I think that's a reasonable assessment. The actually, the
part that I would only vary for you is just
right at the absolute end is I don't know if
Colin Kaepernick wants to be a player, but I think
that it helps Colin Kaepernick for him to say that
he wants to be a player, Like he is in
the spot right now where if you were to cross
that line to be a coach, you are also giving
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in to an organization that you sued and that you
had fought for years. Like, I don't know how you
can reasonably think that you can play again in the NFL.
And we just had Mark Dominic gon and he quickly answered,
no way. To your point, Doug, he hasn't played great
football in now over a decade, hasn't played in an
NFL game since the twenty sixteen season, is going to
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turn thirty seven coming up later this year, and still
thinks that he has an opportunity in that is waiting
for his chance to play, which, by the way, if
it were to happen in twenty twenty four, probably would
have happened about a month or two ago when teams
were still didn't open training camps and we're looking for
guys to bring in. So it's just to me, it's
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not based in reality.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I understand. But you're thinking he's basing these things in reality.
He's not.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And some of it is all athletes are like that,
Like this is it's a really really hard one for
most most athletes.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It's hard to say you can't still do it.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean, how many times are Tarrell Owens Like I'm
gonna see Taroll Owens tonight at an event. Right, There's
there's an event the Pump Brothers host. It's for it
raises money for their cancer center in Northridge, California, and
I get a chance to m see it. It's it's
an amazing who's who, amazing who's who? And you anytime
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you run into Terrell Owens and you talk NFL, he
will tell you stone cold. And obviously he was a
much better player than Colin Kaepernick. I'm not comparing the two,
but the point is that it's been about the same
length of time with too okay, and he's still convinced
he can still play. Most guy. There's not most guys.
I would say there's probably like a probably twenty five
(10:38):
to thirty percent of former players even three four years
after it, Like, I guess still do it.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I get that. But when Colin Kaepernick spoke to Sky Sports,
he says, I I'm training. I want to get that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, he still thinks he could do it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Dan No, But but the last line that he says,
just waiting for an owner to give me that chance. Yeah,
but I don't. That's where I think that the issue lies.
I know, he's crazy, That's that's what I'm getting to.
And why I say crazy, I mean he has a
completely tilted view of the world, okay, because he thinks
and I actually I would understand this if they were
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so vindictive. You know that they didn't want to have
him in the NFL because he likened the NFL draft
to slave trade, which is obscenely offensive and completely off
the rails.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But that's not the point.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
The point is that if he could win football games,
he would be a quarterback in the NFL. Let's let's
let's let's get to brass test, sure, DeShawn Watson. Deshaun
Watson was accused of some sort of sexual improprieties of
forty women.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Forty forty.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
He signed the largest guaranteed contract in the history of
the National Football League. Why because the Cleveland Brown thought
he could win football games. They haven't had a good
quarterback in forever. That's the reality of it. Just it's
it's the whole nonsense of you know, did uh what's
his name with who's now the running back coach or
(12:08):
the offensive coordinator of Eric Vienemy. It's like the whole
Eric Vienemy thing. Like Eric Enemy didn't get a job,
not get a job because he's black, and didn't get
a job because nobody thought he couldn't get along with people.
You have to be a united as a head coach.
He was. He didn't do well in interviews because he
didn't dive in to all the nuances of running a program.
NFL owners want one thing. There is one agenda in
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professional sports, only one winning.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean, look at the Kansaity Chiefs. Right, they have
a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They have video of him leaving the scene of a
hit and run, video of him. It's like, wow, let
the legal process take No, they need a wide receiver, right,
it's not that hard. They need a wide receiver. He's
under contract. Play him until somebody says you can't play him.
I wish it was about something else.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Colin Kaepernick was good for like a year and a half.
He's basically Scott Mitchell. Let's just catch the brass tacks. Okay,
he lost his job because he wasn't that good. That's
it now. The other stuff made it to he can't
ever be a backup quarterback because he never want to
be a backup quarterback, because a backup quarterback is about
somebody else.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Here's the issue, though, Doug. Is Colin Kaepernick going to
be known as a former quarterback in the NFL? Or
is he going to be known as a civil rights activist?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
He'll be known as a civil rights He.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Absolutely, And that's where his That's where he is right now.
That is where Colin Kaepernick is. Colin Kaepernick and understand,
cross the line.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I understand, but you're you're at finish.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I'm please because it's the fact of if Colin Kaepernick
takes a coaching job, which he may want to do,
he's giving into the again, the league that he sued.
He is more powerful saying I am still the victim here.
I am not allowed in the league. Owners are not
allowing me to play in the league. Well, now, they're
not letting you play in the league because nobody wants
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a thirty seven year old quarterback that hasn't been in
the NFL for eight years. But it's not beneficial for
Colin Kaepernick to say that. It's beneficial for Colin Kaepernick
to say that I'm still not allowed in the league.
I think that he was blackballed in terms of I
don't think that he was given the opportunity that other
quarterbacks of his talent at that time, whether he was
good or bad, for at least the try it. You
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bring up the Ravens point, I think it's well put that.
Then all of a sudden, the Ravens like, well, we're
not going to risk this. This doesn't benefit us at all.
So he moves on. But this is now eight years
of this going on, and I think that for Colin
Kaepernick to sit there and say, hey, I'm still trying.
I'm still trying for that opportunity, he's saying that because
he needs to be pitted against the NFL, And if
he joins the NFL, he loses the identity of being
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that civil rights activist that he's the most powerful and
probably has done the most damaged or not the most damage,
but has done the most effect on the world. That's
where I think Colin Kaepernick has done. He's made the
effect as social activists, and he's done a lot of
great things. But if you cross that line and it's
not about you, it's about them, then it's about you,
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it's not about them. It changes who he is.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I think the way you're looking at it is super reasonable.
I think Kan Kaepernick has not been reasonable for a
long time and can go back. You remember the first
team that he went and visited, Okay, first hawks was
the Seahawks, right, And you remember what Pete Carroll said
when he left his visit in the Seahawks he's a starter.
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That Yeah, listen, he's a starter. And what that how
that translates is because all those guys have to measure
their words is we brought him in and we like, man,
we love you, we want you to be a backup
to Russell. And he's like, I want to be a starter. Yep. Okay,
had nothing to do with being black balled. This dude
does it. He's never known who he actually is as
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a football player. And most the guys that stick, the
guys that left. The guy's like, why is Chase Daniel?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Chase Daniel covers the NFL? Why did he last as
long as he lasts the NFL? Because he knew at
some point he knew who he was. Hey, I'm just
here to get that other guy ready. It's not about me,
it's about the team. I'll make a couple million dollars,
and I just Josh McCown is, like, was considered like
the greatest backup ever. I just come in maybe once
a year. Hopefully you do it. Tim Hasselbeck transition to
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that role. It's a really hard role to transition.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Toby Brissett's doing it correct, and everybody says, like, oh,
greatest job in the world. It is, but you got
to sacrifice your ego and he's never been able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So you're you're absolutely right on a multitude of levels.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But again, you're looking at this like, and I don't
want to say he's insane because that's unfair. I'm not
making a clinical diagnosis on it. But you're looking at
this as a reasonable, rational, rational person, and I think
he's been completely irrational throughout so many of these stages.
And I think that's what I heard from from heart,
which is like, hey, I wanted to get him here,
Greg ROBIN'SZC. He'd got to he'd be a perfect fit
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here to just be a coach and learn and get
him back to football. And he wants to be a
player that ain't happening. He doesn't want to be a
coach that ain't happening either.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That then begs a question that actually Jason Stewart brought up,
was basically, why is Harbaugh doing.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
This because that's what you're like, going back to what
I said originally, that's what you're supposed to do as
a coach, got to take care of your guys.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
But doesn't he put Kaepernick in a bad light, like
if this is coming out publicly, Like, isn't this putt
In Colin Kaepernick in a bad light? To say like
he doesn't want to like none of this. We just
found out that he had been talking to him while
he was at Michigan.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Totally undermines Kaepernick's agenda. For Harbor to say I offered
him an assistant coaching job and he didn't return the call,
it undermines the agenda because Kaepernick can't be a victim
and he can't improve his cause in the world as
an assistant coach. Every time he's tried to come back
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as a player. You mentioned the Seahawks tryout, he sabotaged that. Yeah,
remember the NFL tryout? Or he changed the venue last minute,
he sabotaged that. Remember that letter to the Jets GM
and then he leaked the letter asking if he could
be on the practice squad. That practice with Mark Davis
a couple of years ago was sabotaged by Kaepernick. I
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don't think his need to play in the NFL is genuine.
I think it's good for business to be consistently trying
to get in the NFL and not let.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
In this this good stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who knew that at ten nineteen on the East coast,
seven nineteen on the West coast on August sixteen, twenty
twenty four, we'd have fifteen really good minutes of Colin
Kaepernick talk. But that was excellent work. I do think,
to answer your question again, why would he do it?
I think it's Jim Harbaugh saying, I'm always going to
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fight for us guys always because people want to. That's
a big thing in recruiting, that's a big thing in coaching,
that's I'm always gonna fight for my guys, just like
he did with JJ McCarthy saying, you know, he's the
best quarterback in the class, the best quarterback class, Like
nobody thinks that. But you always always fight for your guys.
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So the proposal is this, that starters would have to
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amendments and dendums or whatever where if you hit one
hundred pitches, they can pull you. If you give four
give up four more earned runs, they can pull you.
Of course, if you get injured, they can pull you.
But a mandate of having your pitcher, you can't do
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hundred pitches or gives up four more runs, he's got
to be your starter. Let's welcome in John Morossi, who
joins us here. Of course, mll be on Fox and
he's our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider. What's the likelihood
that they try this this rule out?
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Well, first of all, good morning, agree with you again.
I do think that there is a decent chance that
at some point in the next several years that we
will see a change to the rules. Now, is it
the fixiting mandate? Is it what has been described as
the double hook, which means that as soon as you
pull your starting pitcher that you lose your DH and
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then effectively it's National league rules after your starter is
out of the game, one which incentivizes I love it too.
I love the double hook rule because it incentivizes pitchers
to stay in longer. It's this is a problem, and
it's amazing, Doug, how you look at the evolution of
athletes and how almost uniformally we are seeing athletes across sports.
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We just watched the Olympics. They get better and better,
and yet when it comes to the ability of pitchers
to stay on the mound for longer within a game
and to stay on the mound for more innings in
a season, we are going in the wrong direction. I'll
share this with you. I just this week interview Ferguson Jenkins.
We've got a podcast, Throw to Cooper Sown. I'm interviewing
(24:03):
Fergie Jenkins, and so as a part of this, I
was looking at Ferguson Jenkins's numbers and Doug I'll just
mention two stats that stand out to me the most.
He had two hundred and sixty seven complete games, two
one hundred and sixty seven complete games, and the nineteen
seventy one season alone, he completed thirty games and threw
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three hundred and twenty five innings. Thirty complete games, three
hundred twenty five innings. Nobody in the major leagues now
was getting even close to those numbers, not even within
half in terms of the complete games. So why are
we going backward just because we're relying so much on
maximum velocity? And I think anything that helps pitchers individually
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and helps teams reorient their training ideas to doing what
will actually, to your point, make the game better. From
a rhythm standpoint. You want to get into rhythm with
your starting pitcher. You want to have a sense of
what the starters out there doing and getting excited about
a pitching matchup. That's better for fans, and it's better
for the long term health of pitchers. It is a
(25:12):
win win for everybody. And so however we can incentivize that.
I think as a sport it's incumbent on MLB and
the union to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Does this fly in the face of a pitch clock,
you know, like we're making all these changes like this
would almost seem like it would be against what you're
trying to do. You're trying to speed up games. But
if you're speeding up games, you've heard complaints from pitchers.
Doesn't this kind of fly in the face of that jown?
Speaker 7 (25:36):
It doesn't, and it's a very fit question, but I
don't think it does. I look at this being something
that actually the tempo of pitching and the ability for
starters to take less time now in between pitches and
being more athletics, staying more in rhythm. It's a more
athletic game. And there's been to this point in time
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no evidence to suggest that that any sort of correlation
of injuries is tied to the pitch timer, and in
fact it's basically been standardized across the last several years,
even pre pitch timer, the overall incidents of whether it's
Tommy John surgery or other pitching injuries. This is as
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far as I'm concerned. When I watch the game and
talk to people, they say this is tied to the
notion that you've got fourteen year olds and fifteen year
olds and sixteen year olds at showcases in the US
and also in Latin America who believe that to be
able to get on the radar and sign a pro contract,
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they've got to throw ninety five and so you're chasing
velocity at the expense of mechanics and long term health.
I've made this point, and again I referenced to the
podcast we're working on. I've had a chance, through doing
this to speak with Tom Glavin. He wasn't throwing one
hundred miles an hour, which you just dug reference to
Greg maddox documentary. He wasn't throwing one hundred miles an hour.
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Entirely possible. Entirely possible that when you look at the
origin stories of the Big Three of the Braves. John
Smoltz was a multi sport athlete from Lansing, Michigan who
was playing high school basketball through his senior year and
wanted to go play for Judd Heath Cote and the
Spartans in basketball as much as he wanted to play baseball.
So he was a multi sport athlete from a cold
weather state. Glavin was drafted in the NHL Draft in
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addition to the MLB Draft, and he was never thrown
a hundred miles an hour. He was a hockey player
from bill Rickham, Massachusetts. And then Greg Maddocks, who is
not six foot five and does not throw a nine
to nine miles an hour from Las Vegas, and he
might have gotten overlooked as well. It's entirely possible that
when you talk about the big three who defined that
era that we're talking about, that none of them would
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have been described as being strong first round talents by
the current scouting community because they didn't throw hard enough
and they didn't specialize in baseball. And that is a
massive problem. Think about the history of the game. We
would have missed potentially, if not all three of them,
maybe two of the three, or at least one out
of the three, our game would have been weakened because
the current system of scouting, what we prioritize overlooks three
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of the greatest pictures that we've ever seen. And that
is a massive problem.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
You know, I I I actually think there's a parallel
there to basketball, right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
There's a parallel there to basketball, right.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And I actually I've talked about this with my own staff, John,
where you're like, look, I understand, you walk into a
gym and there's guys with jaw dropping athletic talent. Okay,
but Luka Doncik is the best player in the NBA. Okay,
he raised a pregnant woman and came in third. You know,
you know Steph Curry. I mean I've underestimated him. He's
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been underestimated his entire life.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He knows how to play, and he has a specific
skill and weight a way of playing which brings a
ton of value, even even Jokic, right, I mean Jokic
doesn't have a good body, not crazy fast, a below
the rim guy like you never see him dunk, but
he's just a great basketball player. I think there's a
parallel there in understanding that sports is not always about
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and maybe mostly not about athletic dominance. There is a look,
there is a threshold you do have to throw somewhere
into the nineties. But you gotta locate, you gotta be intelligent,
you gotta change speeds, you gotta you know, you have.
You have to have a certain toughness with you and
durability to you. I do think there's a there's a
parallel parallel there. I want to ask you, really quickly
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about the series is just concluded at American Family Field
in Milwaukee. Dodgers looked great first two nights and then
the last two the bullpen and even Daniel Hudson blows
it yesterday for for the Dodgers. Was that series more
about the Dodgers and specifically, you know now you don't
have a defined closure getting ready for the playoffs, or
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was it more about the Brewers, who Yelly Christian Yelich
is gonna be out for the rest of the year
and wondering if they can compete with the Dodgers, and
then showing that they could actually take two from the Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah, Doug, I think that there are really important takeaways
on both sides. That if the Dodgers, when you think
about that series, it approximates what they're going to be
able to go up against in the postseason, obviously against
the quality Brewers team, and they were only able to
sad with a split because to your point, Walker Bueller
struggles in the third game, he doesn't even get out
of the fourth inning, and then the bullpen lets him
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down in the fourth game. This series, to me illustrates
why the Dodgers are vulnerable again. That they Yes they've
got this lavish payroll. Yes they've got three MVPs back
to back to back to begin every game in terms
of the batting order. But they're vulnerable. They are a
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very good team. They are not what I would describe
to be a dominant team. And by the way, they
only have a two game lead in the National League West.
So here come the d Backs, Here come the pot.
I mean, they're again. It will not surprise anybody if
they win the World Series, and it will also not
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surprise anybody if they're out in the first round. They've
been out in the first round. He's the last two
years because their pitching hasn't been durable and consistent enough.
And that's exactly the kind of team they have. Again,
it's and this gets back to the original premise of
this conversation. Even the smartest teams the Dodgers. I asked
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Andrew Freeman in person last week, what do you got
on this whole pitching thing. Why are we still seeing
all these injuries? And he said to me, John, I
don't know. The smartest people in the industry don't know.
And so that's why the Dodgers are where they are.
To your point on the Brewer side of things. I
love their athleticism. Jackson Shurio is the youngest player in baseball.
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He is twenty. He could be playing for you this
season based on his age, and he is a dominant
player for the Brewers. Love what he's doing. Pat Murphy
loves the I think the athleticism and use of that team. Milwaukee,
so there going to be a force in the postseason.
And to be honest, Doug, I'm not sure if the
Dodgers will be the force that I expected them to
be based on what we've seen from them just this
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past week.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Okay, I've got the final question. Who are you more
excited to see tonight at the up fair, Fuel or Saliva?
Both are playing at the grand stands.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Oh my goodness, Graces, I'll tell you this. I can
I answer that. The thing that I want to see
the most is what I saw in Marquette, Michigan, my
my beautiful birthplace years and years ago, which is fin Fest.
It is the festival of Finnish culture in the summer.
A beautiful parade down right down Water Street there in
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Washington and Front Street there in Marquette, right in front
of the Mining Journal building. The Marquette Mining Journal, one
of the great newspapers in America. So I would just
say my choice is see.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
The finn Fat, Fuel and Saliva on the grand stand
tonight at the up Fair.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
I wish I could be there. I would drive right
through Gwynn and Iron Mountain, Escal all those great places
up there, but I'll have to enjoy finfest and and
fuel at Saliva from Afar.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, I'm heading up to Niagara in like a week
and a half to do a little white water rafting.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Excited about that when they mount.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, that's gotta do it for a fall hits. The
only thing I've found out about fall is inevitably it's
followed by winter. So excited for the colors of fall. JP,
You're the best man. Thanks so much for joining us
getting excited about fall baseball.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
You got it, Doug, Dad, But my pleasure always on
my conversations. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
All right, that's the one and only John Paul Morosi.
I I here's my thing on the on the pitching thing.
I hear what you're saying, Dan about it. I don't know,
counteracting the whole idea of the pitch clock. I feel
like Major League Baseball it's like, you know, you had
a complaint box, right, and it's like people put in
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the complaint box too long, boring pitchers being pulled, not
enough stolen bases, hate the shift, whatever, and they're just
kind of going through trying to check all those boxes.
And yes, some of these things do contradict previous modes,
but I think that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think there are a lot of band aids. I
think there's a lot of stuff that's being put in
in a quick amount of time.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, let's you know, let's let's continue this conversation because traditionally,
and how how do you how do you fix it?
Because there was a picture of Aaron Judge, Okay, Aaron
Judge and a far more famous athlete from a far
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less followed sport earlier this week, and how do you
flip that? We'll get into that next to The Dan
Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
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Little Bruno Mars of course, opened up the most expensive
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Earth into a dome last night, which, of course is
now we gonna host the LA Clippers, but also the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Right it's the Olympic hoops there.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
In twenty twenty eight with Dan Byrom Doug Gottlieb. This
is Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio. Dan, I don't
know if you saw this or you discussed this as
you were guest hosting Covino and Rich, But Kitlyn Clark.
There's a picture of Kaitlin Clark, you know, during her
break from the WNBA with Aaron Judge, and you're sitting
there going like who's more famous?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right now? And again I understand the snapshot of right now.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And one of the things that I think is gonna
be interesting is Kaitlin Clark plays for first game back
with a fever tonight, is like, are people still into
the are you just has it been too much basketball?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Are we good? Did the break?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And we're now on the NFL and on the other stuff, right,
and summer was fun, we on it, But like you
could make a really easy case, I think that Caitlin
Clark is a more famous and popular athlete currently in
American sports culture than Aaron Johnes.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
You weren't You weren't being serious when you said if
I heard about this because Jason Stewart and I started
the argument. He said during the show that Caitlyn Clark
was more famous than Aaron Judge, and I said, hold
on a second, and then I heard from Kitlin Clark
Country for the next twenty four hours, just NonStop barrage.
Even fake accounts were like they're not fake accounts, but
(36:39):
spam accounts were chiming in. I was losing. It was
like eighty to twenty percent that Caitlyn Clark was more popular.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think currently, yes, I think all told, All told
he And that's yeah, like that's where I was coming from,
Like this is six or seven years of Aaron Judge's
greatness in baseball, but it is there is a point
there where like we've not how many people know of
the season Aaron Judges having as opposed to how many
people know of the season Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Good point, yeah, right, And it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I started in this business at ESPN Radio in two
thousand and three, and I can tell you unequivocally the
most important thing even in the fall was red Sox Yankees.
You better be able to be conversant in baseball. Okay,
here we are twenty one years later, twenty one years later,
and we're talking about a guy who holds the home
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run record stop with the Barry Bonds. He's a steroid, dude.
This is like that. The whole argument is, so dumb.
Guy cheats on the SAT. You don't count the sixteen
hundred score, right, So guy cheats in baseball? Why do
we count those home run records? So he legitimately is
a home run king. He plays for the New York Yankees.
It ain't like he plays for the Toronto Blue Jays
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or he plays for the Diamondbacks. He plays for the
New York Yankees. And it's not like he's a he's
an opa lumpa. He's a he's built like an actual
Greek god. When Aaron Judge walks into room, you think
what NFL or NBA team does he play? For sure? Okay,
he's he is an impressive physical specimen.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Pause and.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
So all of these things, and yet I think we
would all agree. People have followed Caitlin Clark's season and
the trials and tribulations over the last three three months
way more than they followed Aaron Judge. So let's dial
back to where we were last. How do you you
said that all of these changes in baseball are band aids?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Is there a way Duck Dabaya to.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Go in and do some surgical procedure and fix it
so that Aaron Judge is viewed along the along the
litany of all time great athletes the way he likely deserves.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I think that I think time will tell on this,
and it's such a flash in the pan. And the
example that I used in our conversations that the lasted
a couple of days was if Bradley Cooper has two
hot movies out in the same year. Bradley Cooper is
more on the forefront of your mind, but he's not
more famous or popular than Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is
the guy. And I feel that Caitlyn Clark, while it's
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been well over a year of her popularity and has
taken the WNBA to great, great heights, that it hasn't
seen me for I still felt that Aaron Judge's six
and seven years of greatness, which included the sixty two
home run season, being the best player on the New
York Yankees. All of that carried more weight than what
had happened in the last year and a half. So
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it's up to Kitlin Clark in the WNBA, whether it
be this season or other seasons, to continue that. And
if she's a very good to great player, she probably
will be more popular. But if she ends up blending
in and maybe doesn't have the WNBA career that we think,
which is not it's not an automatic. I still think
that Aaron Judge would be the overall winner.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
How do you fix baseball?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I just think we have to accept baseball with what
it is. And my whole thing with the band aids
was that there's just been so many changes in the
last heck five years of what we've done in trying
to fix things. And there are some things that I
were probably good for baseball, but it just seems like
a lot and and a lot of big changes for
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a sport that really didn't change anything for you know,
twenty thirty years prior to that.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think it's a good thing. I mean, you know,
when you're so wrapped in tradition and baseball yeah, there's
ratings issues there when they don't have the right teams
in the World Series. The truth is that baseball, obviously
it's very, very successful financially, and I'm with you, don't
I do think you accept it's the one big time
sport Okay that less and less kids play, but it's
(40:49):
still the place that you take You can take somebody
to a game and have a conversation. And there's a
different in playoff baseball and regular season baseball.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But I just it.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I think you lean into it's a family summer or
go out with the boys and drink a beer and
have a conversation and put your cell phone down and
just enjoy and be and disconnect from the rest of
the world sort of event. Whereas the NBA is glitz
and glamour and and the NFL it's so much about
the gambling. This one's about the family. I get it.
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I actually think all these things have made the sport better.
Athleticisms back in it. I don't know if people have
recognized it, but I think this They've done a lot
of changes, and I can't think of one that I
would take back. It's they've eliminated a lot of the
annoying habits of major League baseball, A lot of the
annoying habits.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Of major league baseball. Right.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
We'll get to get to some of this as well,
coming up next on The Dan Patrick Show Plus plus
Do the Patriots have an easy decision to make?
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
What up with you?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Doug Gottlieb, Dan Byer and for Dan the Dan It's
Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're getting
ready for a great weekend. This is uh, this is it?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Kids?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
By the way, right?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Or?
Speaker 5 (00:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We get one more after that?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
What is it? Today's date? Sixteen?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, we got the like two more weekends this weekend
and then one more weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Week zero in college football is a week from tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The week zero thing is always weird. That's the pre
boarding thing, right. You can't board a plane before you
get bored a plane week zero. That's because college football
officially kicks off on the three first.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Then who plays next week?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Just so you've got the game in Ireland with Florida
State and Georgia Tech, but Nevada SMU play Hawaii plays.
I believe think about that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
SMU has waited, really since the death penalty, to be
at least judged among the nation's elite. Right, just want
to get in one of these conferences. They actually are
not taking any TV money, you know, they get SMU
has got plenty of money on their own. They do
anything they can to get in a big time football conference.
The one they get to join, bless you by the way, Dan,
(01:24):
the one they get to join is just holding on
for hope that they get to keep to stay together. Meanwhile,
not just a game in Ireland, an ACC game in Ireland.
And then the whole thing is this for college football,
This is this is a year transition. And you could
(01:44):
say I know what it's going to be like, but
you don't. We've never had a college football playoff. And
in addition to that, you have this massive expansion of
the Big Ten, the expansion of the Big Twelve, the
expansion of the SEC, the change in somebody these conferences.
It's really going to be fascinating to see. And then
of course you have the defending national champion Michigan.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Who on probation.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And oh yeah, by the way, they don't have their
head coach, and Jim Harbaugh is no longer going to
be what was it going to be the honorary captain.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Now he's like, now I need to spend more time with.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The Chargers, Like come on, man, that's just they didn't
want the optics of him having a show cause and
showing up his alma mater, which I think is weak
sauce they won the national championship. He's an alum of Michigan.
He was a hell of a player at Michigan. He
should be there week one of the season. What are
we actually doing here? But I'm just interested in what
(02:41):
you think of this point or what point Jim Harbaugh
was trying to bring up. Colin Kaepernick recently told Sky
Sports that he still wants to play in the NFL.
Earlier this week, New LA Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh wants
his former quarterback in the NFL, but as a member
of his coaching staff and not so much as a player.
He said, he's spoken to him multiple times. I love
but he's but he's not going to be on the
(03:03):
coaching staff which is set for this year, and he's
not going to be playing on the roster either, Right,
what's your read into that quote, Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, my read into it is it originally was Kaepernick
was going to be a coach, and Harball also revealed
that he had spoken to him over the past couple
of years when he was at Michigan about being a
coach and so on the surface, and there's a lot more.
But on the Harbaugh point of view, I believe that
(03:36):
Jim Harbaugh does not think Colin Kaepernick is a player
in the NFL anymore. And I think from the Jim
Harball point of view of different opinions with Kaepernick, but
on the Jim Harbaugh point of view, I think that's
what he is telling us. And that's my takeaway from it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
My takeaway is that, but my takeaways a little bit
more advanced, so as as many of you know, and.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think what mine's just basic.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
No, no, no, no, it's just just slightly different.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So just I'll just reintroduce myself because you know, we're
told like never assume in sports radio, right, So I've
been doing sports radio sports television for twenty one years
and three months ago is named head coach at Wisconsin
Green Bay. Obviously, even before my press conference had that,
I had to sit down here on the Dan Patrick
Show with Dan and one of the things that I
(04:24):
tell players in recruiting, and I mean it is you
come play for me, especially if you come play for
me this year. That's special because I don't have a
track record. I don't have, you know, not John Caliperry
I can't say I put this guy in the NBA,
this guy in the NBA, this guy in the.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's an act of faith.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But I believe the college football in college basketball coaches
job and it's really always been this way, but it's
harder now with the transfer portal. When guy's moving is
you got to take care of your guys. The reason
you stick it out is because when you do, you
you have a football family that takes care of you.
That's that's how it works in college sports. That's your family.
(05:07):
And one of the things that people don't understand when
they switch schools is you have the family right and
then the new family you go to. Some of these
guys are only there for you know, six nine months.
You're not really in that family, so you're family less
and they're like, why does that matter? Well, when you
need a job and you played college sports, the first
person you should be able to call is your coach, right,
(05:27):
your coach, because those guys can pick up the phone
and get you job or give you some direction. They
are literally a second and sometimes first father for many people.
I think Jim Harbaugh takes that very very seriously, and
it strikes me as Colin Kaepernick is that guy, and
I'm gonna have that guy. I My dad had those guys,
(05:48):
my brother's coach for twenty eight years. He has those
guys that you really want to help, Like, I just
want to help this dude, and he doesn't know how
to truly accept the help. He is not surrendered to
the realities of a situation. And here's where I bring
it up. If you remember, his shot of getting back
in the NFL was ruined by his girlfriend, right because
(06:09):
he was gonna sign and remember with the Ravens. He
signed with the Races before they got Lamar Jackson. We're
gonna sign with the Ravens. And then his girlfriend and
I don't know if they're still together. I'm sorry, I
don't follow this, but she's a I think radio host
in New York City. She put out a she put
out a meme of Jango Unchained, like, you know the
slave owner in Jango Unchained, and compared it to Steve Bushatti, who's.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The owner of the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right, So, like, you're the owner of the Ravens and
you're called a slave owner by a guy who doesn't
have a job in the NFL, Like thanks, but no thanks. Right,
And that's that's Jim telling John take care of my guy. Plus,
remember his offensive coordinator who's now with the Chargers was
the offensive coordinator the Niners, was the offensive cordineer of
(06:54):
the Ravens. You know you go back then as well, Right,
So it's all football family, and we try to take
care of you. And then your girlfriend has this meme
and Steve A. Schai's like, I'm not doing it. Sorry,
I'm not going to be called No one wants to
be called a slave owner when you're the owner of
an NFL football team. Like, sorry, not not doing it.
And so you fast forward to now he's not an
(07:16):
NFL player, and I'm sure Jim called him up and
he's like, hey, why don't you come just come to camp,
work with Herbert. You know this offense, you played in
this offense, You're awesome in this offense. Just teach it
to justin Herbert. You know, see if you want to
do the coaching things, see how that feels to you.
And I'm guessing, and more than a guess that Kaepernick's
(07:37):
like I still want to play, Like, yeah, we're not
doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And a big reason that guys have never given Kaepernick
a shot is not because they didn't want to give
him a shot. It's because if you cut him, are
you cutting him because of his political beliefs? Are you
cutting him because of his race?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No one wants to be called a racist.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No on wants You don't want to cut a guy
like it's a third string, fourth string, fifth quarterback, whatever.
But Kaepernick strikes me as a guy that here his
football family is trying to take care of him and
give him an opportunity to get back in the league
in an offense that he knows just learn to be
a coach. He probably still wants to play, and he
hasn't given up the pipe dream. He's just not dealing
with reality. And when you read that, that strikes me
(08:24):
as Jim Harbaugh going like, he's not get me a
player and you don't want to coach.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Sure, I think that's a reasonable assessment. The actually, the
part that I would only vary for you is just
right at the absolute end is I don't know if
Colin Kaepernick wants to be a player, but I think
that it helps Colin Kaepernick for him to say that
he wants to be a player, Like he is in
the spot right now where if you were to cross
that line to be a coach, you are also giving
(08:53):
in to an organization that you sued and that you
had fought for years. Like, I don't know how you
can reasonably think that you can play again in the NFL.
And we just had Mark Dominic gon and he quickly answered,
no way. To your point, Doug, he hasn't played great
football in now over a decade, hasn't played in an
NFL game since the twenty sixteen season, is going to
(09:15):
turn thirty seven coming up later this year, and still
thinks that he has an opportunity in that is waiting
for his chance to play, which, by the way, if
it were to happen in twenty twenty four, probably would
have happened about a month or two ago when teams
were still didn't open training camps and we're looking for
guys to bring in. So it's just to me, it's
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not based in reality.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I understand. But you're thinking he's basing these things in reality.
He's not.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And some of it is all athletes are like that,
Like this is it's a really really hard one for
most most athletes.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It's hard to say you can't still do it.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean, how many times are Tarrell Owens Like I'm
gonna see Taroll Owens tonight at an event. Right, There's
there's an event the Pump Brothers host. It's for it
raises money for their cancer center in Northridge, California, and
I get a chance to m see it. It's it's
an amazing who's who, amazing who's who? And you anytime
(10:16):
you run into Terrell Owens and you talk NFL, he
will tell you stone cold. And obviously he was a
much better player than Colin Kaepernick. I'm not comparing the two,
but the point is that it's been about the same
length of time with too okay, and he's still convinced
he can still play. Most guy. There's not most guys.
I would say there's probably like a probably twenty five
(10:38):
to thirty percent of former players even three four years
after it, Like, I guess still do it.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I get that. But when Colin Kaepernick spoke to Sky Sports,
he says, I I'm training. I want to get that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, he still thinks he could do it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Dan No, But but the last line that he says,
just waiting for an owner to give me that chance. Yeah,
but I don't. That's where I think that the issue lies.
I know, he's crazy, That's that's what I'm getting to.
And why I say crazy, I mean he has a
completely tilted view of the world, okay, because he thinks
and I actually I would understand this if they were
(11:18):
so vindictive. You know that they didn't want to have
him in the NFL because he likened the NFL draft
to slave trade, which is obscenely offensive and completely off
the rails.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But that's not the point.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
The point is that if he could win football games,
he would be a quarterback in the NFL. Let's let's
let's let's get to brass test, sure, DeShawn Watson. Deshaun
Watson was accused of some sort of sexual improprieties of
forty women.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Forty forty.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
He signed the largest guaranteed contract in the history of
the National Football League. Why because the Cleveland Brown thought
he could win football games. They haven't had a good
quarterback in forever. That's the reality of it. Just it's
it's the whole nonsense of you know, did uh what's
his name with who's now the running back coach or
(12:08):
the offensive coordinator of Eric Vienemy. It's like the whole
Eric Vienemy thing. Like Eric Enemy didn't get a job,
not get a job because he's black, and didn't get
a job because nobody thought he couldn't get along with people.
You have to be a united as a head coach.
He was. He didn't do well in interviews because he
didn't dive in to all the nuances of running a program.
NFL owners want one thing. There is one agenda in
(12:31):
professional sports, only one winning.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean, look at the Kansaity Chiefs. Right, they have
a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They have video of him leaving the scene of a
hit and run, video of him. It's like, wow, let
the legal process take No, they need a wide receiver, right,
it's not that hard. They need a wide receiver. He's
under contract. Play him until somebody says you can't play him.
I wish it was about something else.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Colin Kaepernick was good for like a year and a half.
He's basically Scott Mitchell. Let's just catch the brass tacks. Okay,
he lost his job because he wasn't that good. That's
it now. The other stuff made it to he can't
ever be a backup quarterback because he never want to
be a backup quarterback, because a backup quarterback is about
somebody else.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Here's the issue, though, Doug. Is Colin Kaepernick going to
be known as a former quarterback in the NFL? Or
is he going to be known as a civil rights activist?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
He'll be known as a civil rights He.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Absolutely, And that's where his That's where he is right now.
That is where Colin Kaepernick is. Colin Kaepernick and understand,
cross the line.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I understand, but you're you're at finish.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I'm please because it's the fact of if Colin Kaepernick
takes a coaching job, which he may want to do,
he's giving into the again, the league that he sued.
He is more powerful saying I am still the victim here.
I am not allowed in the league. Owners are not
allowing me to play in the league. Well, now, they're
not letting you play in the league because nobody wants
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a thirty seven year old quarterback that hasn't been in
the NFL for eight years. But it's not beneficial for
Colin Kaepernick to say that. It's beneficial for Colin Kaepernick
to say that I'm still not allowed in the league.
I think that he was blackballed in terms of I
don't think that he was given the opportunity that other
quarterbacks of his talent at that time, whether he was
good or bad, for at least the try it. You
(14:25):
bring up the Ravens point, I think it's well put that.
Then all of a sudden, the Ravens like, well, we're
not going to risk this. This doesn't benefit us at all.
So he moves on. But this is now eight years
of this going on, and I think that for Colin
Kaepernick to sit there and say, hey, I'm still trying.
I'm still trying for that opportunity, he's saying that because
he needs to be pitted against the NFL, And if
he joins the NFL, he loses the identity of being
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that civil rights activist that he's the most powerful and
probably has done the most damaged or not the most damage,
but has done the most effect on the world. That's
where I think Colin Kaepernick has done. He's made the
effect as social activists, and he's done a lot of
great things. But if you cross that line and it's
not about you, it's about them, then it's about you,
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it's not about them. It changes who he is.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I think the way you're looking at it is super reasonable.
I think Kan Kaepernick has not been reasonable for a
long time and can go back. You remember the first
team that he went and visited, Okay, first hawks was
the Seahawks, right, And you remember what Pete Carroll said
when he left his visit in the Seahawks he's a starter.
(15:32):
That Yeah, listen, he's a starter. And what that how
that translates is because all those guys have to measure
their words is we brought him in and we like, man,
we love you, we want you to be a backup
to Russell. And he's like, I want to be a starter. Yep. Okay,
had nothing to do with being black balled. This dude
does it. He's never known who he actually is as
(15:54):
a football player. And most the guys that stick, the
guys that left. The guy's like, why is Chase Daniel?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Chase Daniel covers the NFL? Why did he last as
long as he lasts the NFL? Because he knew at
some point he knew who he was. Hey, I'm just
here to get that other guy ready. It's not about me,
it's about the team. I'll make a couple million dollars,
and I just Josh McCown is, like, was considered like
the greatest backup ever. I just come in maybe once
a year. Hopefully you do it. Tim Hasselbeck transition to
(16:26):
that role. It's a really hard role to transition.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Toby Brissett's doing it correct, and everybody says, like, oh,
greatest job in the world. It is, but you got
to sacrifice your ego and he's never been able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So you're you're absolutely right on a multitude of levels.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
But again, you're looking at this like, and I don't
want to say he's insane because that's unfair. I'm not
making a clinical diagnosis on it. But you're looking at
this as a reasonable, rational, rational person, and I think
he's been completely irrational throughout so many of these stages.
And I think that's what I heard from from heart,
which is like, hey, I wanted to get him here,
Greg ROBIN'SZC. He'd got to he'd be a perfect fit
(17:06):
here to just be a coach and learn and get
him back to football. And he wants to be a
player that ain't happening. He doesn't want to be a
coach that ain't happening either.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That then begs a question that actually Jason Stewart brought up,
was basically, why is Harbaugh doing.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
This because that's what you're like, going back to what
I said originally, that's what you're supposed to do as
a coach, got to take care of your guys.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
But doesn't he put Kaepernick in a bad light, like
if this is coming out publicly, Like, isn't this putt
In Colin Kaepernick in a bad light? To say like
he doesn't want to like none of this. We just
found out that he had been talking to him while
he was at Michigan.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Totally undermines Kaepernick's agenda. For Harbor to say I offered
him an assistant coaching job and he didn't return the call,
it undermines the agenda because Kaepernick can't be a victim
and he can't improve his cause in the world as
an assistant coach. Every time he's tried to come back
(18:05):
as a player. You mentioned the Seahawks tryout, he sabotaged that. Yeah,
remember the NFL tryout? Or he changed the venue last minute,
he sabotaged that. Remember that letter to the Jets GM
and then he leaked the letter asking if he could
be on the practice squad. That practice with Mark Davis
a couple of years ago was sabotaged by Kaepernick. I
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don't think his need to play in the NFL is genuine.
I think it's good for business to be consistently trying
to get in the NFL and not let.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
In this this good stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who knew that at ten nineteen on the East coast,
seven nineteen on the West coast on August sixteen, twenty
twenty four, we'd have fifteen really good minutes of Colin
Kaepernick talk. But that was excellent work. I do think,
to answer your question again, why would he do it?
I think it's Jim Harbaugh saying, I'm always going to
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fight for us guys always because people want to. That's
a big thing in recruiting, that's a big thing in coaching,
that's I'm always gonna fight for my guys, just like
he did with JJ McCarthy saying, you know, he's the
best quarterback in the class, the best quarterback class, Like
nobody thinks that. But you always always fight for your guys.
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Speaker 2 (21:47):
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Speaker 3 (21:49):
The allure of a baseball game. You always look at
the starters, right, And I don't know if you guys
seen this new documentary with Greg Maddox, how good is that?
I mean, like, dude remembers pitch after pitch, approach after approach. Anyway,
So the proposal is this, that starters would have to
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pitch for six innings six innings. Now, there's a couple
amendments and dendums or whatever where if you hit one
hundred pitches, they can pull you. If you give four
give up four more earned runs, they can pull you.
Of course, if you get injured, they can pull you.
But a mandate of having your pitcher, you can't do
a bullpen day. You can't do an opener. If you
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have a guy who's a starter until he hits one
hundred pitches or gives up four more runs, he's got
to be your starter. Let's welcome in John Morossi, who
joins us here. Of course, mll be on Fox and
he's our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider. What's the likelihood
that they try this this rule out?
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Well, first of all, good morning, agree with you again.
I do think that there is a decent chance that
at some point in the next several years that we
will see a change to the rules. Now, is it
the fixiting mandate? Is it what has been described as
the double hook, which means that as soon as you
pull your starting pitcher that you lose your DH and
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then effectively it's National league rules after your starter is
out of the game, one which incentivizes I love it too.
I love the double hook rule because it incentivizes pitchers
to stay in longer. It's this is a problem, and
it's amazing, Doug, how you look at the evolution of
athletes and how almost uniformally we are seeing athletes across sports.
(23:41):
We just watched the Olympics. They get better and better,
and yet when it comes to the ability of pitchers
to stay on the mound for longer within a game
and to stay on the mound for more innings in
a season, we are going in the wrong direction. I'll
share this with you. I just this week interview Ferguson Jenkins.
We've got a podcast, Throw to Cooper Sown. I'm interviewing
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Fergie Jenkins, and so as a part of this, I
was looking at Ferguson Jenkins's numbers and Doug I'll just
mention two stats that stand out to me the most.
He had two hundred and sixty seven complete games, two
one hundred and sixty seven complete games, and the nineteen
seventy one season alone, he completed thirty games and threw
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three hundred and twenty five innings. Thirty complete games, three
hundred twenty five innings. Nobody in the major leagues now
was getting even close to those numbers, not even within
half in terms of the complete games. So why are
we going backward just because we're relying so much on
maximum velocity? And I think anything that helps pitchers individually
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and helps teams reorient their training ideas to doing what
will actually, to your point, make the game better. From
a rhythm standpoint. You want to get into rhythm with
your starting pitcher. You want to have a sense of
what the starters out there doing and getting excited about
a pitching matchup. That's better for fans, and it's better
for the long term health of pitchers. It is a
(25:12):
win win for everybody. And so however we can incentivize that.
I think as a sport it's incumbent on MLB and
the union to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Does this fly in the face of a pitch clock,
you know, like we're making all these changes like this
would almost seem like it would be against what you're
trying to do. You're trying to speed up games. But
if you're speeding up games, you've heard complaints from pitchers.
Doesn't this kind of fly in the face of that jown?
Speaker 7 (25:36):
It doesn't, and it's a very fit question, but I
don't think it does. I look at this being something
that actually the tempo of pitching and the ability for
starters to take less time now in between pitches and
being more athletics, staying more in rhythm. It's a more
athletic game. And there's been to this point in time
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no evidence to suggest that that any sort of correlation
of injuries is tied to the pitch timer, and in
fact it's basically been standardized across the last several years,
even pre pitch timer, the overall incidents of whether it's
Tommy John surgery or other pitching injuries. This is as
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far as I'm concerned. When I watch the game and
talk to people, they say this is tied to the
notion that you've got fourteen year olds and fifteen year
olds and sixteen year olds at showcases in the US
and also in Latin America who believe that to be
able to get on the radar and sign a pro contract,
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they've got to throw ninety five and so you're chasing
velocity at the expense of mechanics and long term health.
I've made this point, and again I referenced to the
podcast we're working on. I've had a chance, through doing
this to speak with Tom Glavin. He wasn't throwing one
hundred miles an hour, which you just dug reference to
Greg maddox documentary. He wasn't throwing one hundred miles an hour.
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Entirely possible. Entirely possible that when you look at the
origin stories of the Big Three of the Braves. John
Smoltz was a multi sport athlete from Lansing, Michigan who
was playing high school basketball through his senior year and
wanted to go play for Judd Heath Cote and the
Spartans in basketball as much as he wanted to play baseball.
So he was a multi sport athlete from a cold
weather state. Glavin was drafted in the NHL Draft in
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addition to the MLB Draft, and he was never thrown
a hundred miles an hour. He was a hockey player
from bill Rickham, Massachusetts. And then Greg Maddocks, who is
not six foot five and does not throw a nine
to nine miles an hour from Las Vegas, and he
might have gotten overlooked as well. It's entirely possible that
when you talk about the big three who defined that
era that we're talking about, that none of them would
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have been described as being strong first round talents by
the current scouting community because they didn't throw hard enough
and they didn't specialize in baseball. And that is a
massive problem. Think about the history of the game. We
would have missed potentially, if not all three of them,
maybe two of the three, or at least one out
of the three, our game would have been weakened because
the current system of scouting, what we prioritize overlooks three
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of the greatest pictures that we've ever seen. And that
is a massive problem.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
You know, I I I actually think there's a parallel
there to basketball, right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
There's a parallel there to basketball, right.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And I actually I've talked about this with my own staff, John,
where you're like, look, I understand, you walk into a
gym and there's guys with jaw dropping athletic talent. Okay,
but Luka Doncik is the best player in the NBA. Okay,
he raised a pregnant woman and came in third. You know,
you know Steph Curry. I mean I've underestimated him. He's
(28:41):
been underestimated his entire life.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He knows how to play, and he has a specific
skill and weight a way of playing which brings a
ton of value, even even Jokic, right, I mean Jokic
doesn't have a good body, not crazy fast, a below
the rim guy like you never see him dunk, but
he's just a great basketball player. I think there's a
parallel there in understanding that sports is not always about
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and maybe mostly not about athletic dominance. There is a look,
there is a threshold you do have to throw somewhere
into the nineties. But you gotta locate, you gotta be intelligent,
you gotta change speeds, you gotta you know, you have.
You have to have a certain toughness with you and
durability to you. I do think there's a there's a
parallel parallel there. I want to ask you, really quickly
(29:30):
about the series is just concluded at American Family Field
in Milwaukee. Dodgers looked great first two nights and then
the last two the bullpen and even Daniel Hudson blows
it yesterday for for the Dodgers. Was that series more
about the Dodgers and specifically, you know now you don't
have a defined closure getting ready for the playoffs, or
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was it more about the Brewers, who Yelly Christian Yelich
is gonna be out for the rest of the year
and wondering if they can compete with the Dodgers, and
then showing that they could actually take two from the Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah, Doug, I think that there are really important takeaways
on both sides. That if the Dodgers, when you think
about that series, it approximates what they're going to be
able to go up against in the postseason, obviously against
the quality Brewers team, and they were only able to
sad with a split because to your point, Walker Bueller
struggles in the third game, he doesn't even get out
of the fourth inning, and then the bullpen lets him
(30:27):
down in the fourth game. This series, to me illustrates
why the Dodgers are vulnerable again. That they Yes they've
got this lavish payroll. Yes they've got three MVPs back
to back to back to begin every game in terms
of the batting order. But they're vulnerable. They are a
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very good team. They are not what I would describe
to be a dominant team. And by the way, they
only have a two game lead in the National League West.
So here come the d Backs, Here come the pot.
I mean, they're again. It will not surprise anybody if
they win the World Series, and it will also not
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surprise anybody if they're out in the first round. They've
been out in the first round. He's the last two
years because their pitching hasn't been durable and consistent enough.
And that's exactly the kind of team they have. Again,
it's and this gets back to the original premise of
this conversation. Even the smartest teams the Dodgers. I asked
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Andrew Freeman in person last week, what do you got
on this whole pitching thing. Why are we still seeing
all these injuries? And he said to me, John, I
don't know. The smartest people in the industry don't know.
And so that's why the Dodgers are where they are.
To your point on the Brewer side of things. I
love their athleticism. Jackson Shurio is the youngest player in baseball.
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He is twenty. He could be playing for you this
season based on his age, and he is a dominant
player for the Brewers. Love what he's doing. Pat Murphy
loves the I think the athleticism and use of that team. Milwaukee,
so there going to be a force in the postseason.
And to be honest, Doug, I'm not sure if the
Dodgers will be the force that I expected them to
be based on what we've seen from them just this
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past week.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Okay, I've got the final question. Who are you more
excited to see tonight at the up fair, Fuel or Saliva?
Both are playing at the grand stands.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Oh my goodness, Graces, I'll tell you this. I can
I answer that. The thing that I want to see
the most is what I saw in Marquette, Michigan, my
my beautiful birthplace years and years ago, which is fin Fest.
It is the festival of Finnish culture in the summer.
A beautiful parade down right down Water Street there in
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Washington and Front Street there in Marquette, right in front
of the Mining Journal building. The Marquette Mining Journal, one
of the great newspapers in America. So I would just
say my choice is see.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
The finn Fat, Fuel and Saliva on the grand stand
tonight at the up Fair.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
I wish I could be there. I would drive right
through Gwynn and Iron Mountain, Escal all those great places
up there, but I'll have to enjoy finfest and and
fuel at Saliva from Afar.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, I'm heading up to Niagara in like a week
and a half to do a little white water rafting.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Excited about that when they mount.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, that's gotta do it for a fall hits. The
only thing I've found out about fall is inevitably it's
followed by winter. So excited for the colors of fall. JP,
You're the best man. Thanks so much for joining us
getting excited about fall baseball.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
You got it, Doug, Dad, But my pleasure always on
my conversations. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
All right, that's the one and only John Paul Morosi.
I I here's my thing on the on the pitching thing.
I hear what you're saying, Dan about it. I don't know,
counteracting the whole idea of the pitch clock. I feel
like Major League Baseball it's like, you know, you had
a complaint box, right, and it's like people put in
(33:54):
the complaint box too long, boring pitchers being pulled, not
enough stolen bases, hate the shift, whatever, and they're just
kind of going through trying to check all those boxes.
And yes, some of these things do contradict previous modes,
but I think that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think there are a lot of band aids. I
think there's a lot of stuff that's being put in
in a quick amount of time.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, let's you know, let's let's continue this conversation because traditionally,
and how how do you how do you fix it?
Because there was a picture of Aaron Judge, Okay, Aaron
Judge and a far more famous athlete from a far
(34:41):
less followed sport earlier this week, and how do you
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Little Bruno Mars of course, opened up the most expensive
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In twenty twenty eight with Dan Byrom Doug Gottlieb. This
is Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio. Dan, I don't
know if you saw this or you discussed this as
you were guest hosting Covino and Rich, But Kitlyn Clark.
There's a picture of Kaitlin Clark, you know, during her
break from the WNBA with Aaron Judge, and you're sitting
there going like who's more famous?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right now? And again I understand the snapshot of right now.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And one of the things that I think is gonna
be interesting is Kaitlin Clark plays for first game back
with a fever tonight, is like, are people still into
the are you just has it been too much basketball?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Are we good? Did the break?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And we're now on the NFL and on the other stuff, right,
and summer was fun, we on it, But like you
could make a really easy case, I think that Caitlin
Clark is a more famous and popular athlete currently in
American sports culture than Aaron Johnes.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
You weren't You weren't being serious when you said if
I heard about this because Jason Stewart and I started
the argument. He said during the show that Caitlyn Clark
was more famous than Aaron Judge, and I said, hold
on a second, and then I heard from Kitlin Clark
Country for the next twenty four hours, just NonStop barrage.
Even fake accounts were like they're not fake accounts, but
(36:39):
spam accounts were chiming in. I was losing. It was
like eighty to twenty percent that Caitlyn Clark was more popular.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think currently, yes, I think all told, All told
he And that's yeah, like that's where I was coming from,
Like this is six or seven years of Aaron Judge's
greatness in baseball, but it is there is a point
there where like we've not how many people know of
the season Aaron Judges having as opposed to how many
people know of the season Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Good point, yeah, right, And it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I started in this business at ESPN Radio in two
thousand and three, and I can tell you unequivocally the
most important thing even in the fall was red Sox Yankees.
You better be able to be conversant in baseball. Okay,
here we are twenty one years later, twenty one years later,
and we're talking about a guy who holds the home
(37:33):
run record stop with the Barry Bonds. He's a steroid, dude.
This is like that. The whole argument is, so dumb.
Guy cheats on the SAT. You don't count the sixteen
hundred score, right, So guy cheats in baseball? Why do
we count those home run records? So he legitimately is
a home run king. He plays for the New York Yankees.
It ain't like he plays for the Toronto Blue Jays
(37:55):
or he plays for the Diamondbacks. He plays for the
New York Yankees. And it's not like he's a he's
an opa lumpa. He's a he's built like an actual
Greek god. When Aaron Judge walks into room, you think
what NFL or NBA team does he play? For sure? Okay,
he's he is an impressive physical specimen.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Pause and.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
So all of these things, and yet I think we
would all agree. People have followed Caitlin Clark's season and
the trials and tribulations over the last three three months
way more than they followed Aaron Judge. So let's dial
back to where we were last. How do you you
said that all of these changes in baseball are band aids?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Is there a way Duck Dabaya to.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Go in and do some surgical procedure and fix it
so that Aaron Judge is viewed along the along the
litany of all time great athletes the way he likely deserves.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I think that I think time will tell on this,
and it's such a flash in the pan. And the
example that I used in our conversations that the lasted
a couple of days was if Bradley Cooper has two
hot movies out in the same year. Bradley Cooper is
more on the forefront of your mind, but he's not
more famous or popular than Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is
the guy. And I feel that Caitlyn Clark, while it's
(39:15):
been well over a year of her popularity and has
taken the WNBA to great, great heights, that it hasn't
seen me for I still felt that Aaron Judge's six
and seven years of greatness, which included the sixty two
home run season, being the best player on the New
York Yankees. All of that carried more weight than what
had happened in the last year and a half. So
(39:36):
it's up to Kitlin Clark in the WNBA, whether it
be this season or other seasons, to continue that. And
if she's a very good to great player, she probably
will be more popular. But if she ends up blending
in and maybe doesn't have the WNBA career that we think,
which is not it's not an automatic. I still think
that Aaron Judge would be the overall winner.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
How do you fix baseball?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I just think we have to accept baseball with what
it is. And my whole thing with the band aids
was that there's just been so many changes in the
last heck five years of what we've done in trying
to fix things. And there are some things that I
were probably good for baseball, but it just seems like
a lot and and a lot of big changes for
(40:20):
a sport that really didn't change anything for you know,
twenty thirty years prior to that.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think it's a good thing. I mean, you know,
when you're so wrapped in tradition and baseball yeah, there's
ratings issues there when they don't have the right teams
in the World Series. The truth is that baseball, obviously
it's very, very successful financially, and I'm with you, don't
I do think you accept it's the one big time
sport Okay that less and less kids play, but it's
(40:49):
still the place that you take You can take somebody
to a game and have a conversation. And there's a
different in playoff baseball and regular season baseball.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But I just it.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I think you lean into it's a family summer or
go out with the boys and drink a beer and
have a conversation and put your cell phone down and
just enjoy and be and disconnect from the rest of
the world sort of event. Whereas the NBA is glitz
and glamour and and the NFL it's so much about
the gambling. This one's about the family. I get it.
(41:23):
I actually think all these things have made the sport better.
Athleticisms back in it. I don't know if people have
recognized it, but I think this They've done a lot
of changes, and I can't think of one that I
would take back. It's they've eliminated a lot of the
annoying habits of major League baseball, A lot of the
annoying habits.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Of major league baseball. Right.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
We'll get to get to some of this as well,
coming up next on The Dan Patrick Show Plus plus
Do the Patriots have an easy decision to make?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's next on Fox Sports Radio.
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Dan Patrick
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