August 19, 2024 • 43 mins
Talkin' Jake & Jolly Olive are talkin' the current state of the Mets, Pete Alonso's Future, which teams Jolly's buying stock in, and thoughts on the trade deadline moves now that guys are settled into their new teams.
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0:00 Intro
2:15 Mets Talk
10:50 Is Pete Alonso Leaving the Mets?
16:55 Which Teams are You Into?
29:40 Another Team You're Into
31:50 PIVOTAL Month of Baseball
34:10 Trade Deadline Thoughts
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake myself, Jolly Olive is
back in Big Baby David As we're gonna circle around
the league. We're gonna check in on Jolly's mets, see
how he's feeling. Uh, maybe get a team he's hot
to trot on that the people aren't talking about. We're
gonna check in on some of the deadline ads and
(00:20):
how they're looking, and much more coming up. Okay, Uh,
what's going on? I hope everybody had a good weekend.
I am still Swiss cheese from fanatics vest pretty good time.
We can walk through some of that pretty cool sports
event they rolled it out, interested to see how it evolves.
(00:41):
Do they make money off of it? Are they losing
tons of money? Is it worth the exposure?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
If someone has the business maths, please reach out to us.
But it was a good time and we could talk
about that a little bit for now. Jelly Olive, how
are you, my tear making friend.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm good, Jake. Yeah, it's been a little bit. I
think since we did the Triple Threat fool.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh wow, that was the last one since then.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm pretty good. I had a nice weekend. I was
at finax Fest on Friday. It was absolutely bananas. We
were on the main stage for two hours, I think
before Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson, which is a ridiculous
place to put us in the schedule. But we had
a great time. The crowd was awesome. A bunch of
people said, hey, I got to do some pictures and
sign some balls, which is really neat, like I've actually
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accomplished anything in life. And you were there the whole weekend,
and I can hear it in your voice a little
bit out.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
There, can in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I think I lost it during the initial two hour
thing we did on the main stage because we couldn't
hear ourselves that well. Yeah, but apparently the crowd heard
everything really well. But I was yelling because I was like,
I don't think they can hear us. And then I
checked with everyone backstage and they're like, no, the audio
is incredible.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I got came too loud.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why am I yelling just to lose my voice for
the whole weekend as I talk to people the entire time.
But we'll circle back on a little more of that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Jolly.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Let's start on your team. The New York Mets. Wow,
And maybe this will lead into another conversation about I'll
call them the shadow baseball teams.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We talk about the shadow strike.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Zone sometimes when it comes to pitching and getting calls.
What was looking like a potential spicy wild card on
each side is looking a little less spicy. The Red
Sox are three and a half games back of the
Kansas City Royals, and then it's the Mariners at five
and a half. Yeah, Seattle, we have a hatred kind
(02:46):
of mutual right now.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It should be so much better.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It shouldn't be like this, and Mariners fans agree, I
think for the most part, because hitting matters. That's been
my whole thing for a couple years now. On the
national side, technically, the closest team from being out to
in of a wild card spot are your New York Mets,
who are two games back of the Atlanta Braves, who
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just lost young thick Austin Riley for six to eight,
with the Giants four games back. And then you're getting
into the NL Central teams that have If you think
I have a dislike for how the Mariners are operating,
any team that's not the Brewers in the Central, boy,
you've You've made me boil, as John Boyce said last
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night talking about his Yanks. So start off with your Mets.
We're sixty four and forty, sixty four and sixty as
we record this. We added a little bit at the deadline,
Jesse Winker, who I think will be brought up in
a little bit. Sure, where are we at with the
mad Lads and Flushing?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, we're in a weird spot.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think they had a pretty gnarly ten game rotor
not in terms of the teams they played, but in
terms of the travel they had to go through. They
had to go to Anaheim and then for a day
they went to Saint Louis, then they went to Colorado,
and then they finished in Seattle. And most people know
about that Seattle series. They got swept Sunday night baseball blowout,
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and then Seattle went right back to where they were
right after sweeping US, which was just losing games they
should be winning. I'm sorry Seattle fans, but you guys
handed our ass to us that weekend, So I still
got a little resentment there. But since coming home kind
of disappointing. They went three and three against the A's
and Marlins. The last A's game, and the last Marlins
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game was incredibly tough too one run losses where the
bullpen kind of let the team down. We didn't hit
in certain spots. And you know, I think they're keeping
a float right now.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They're seven and nine in August.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
They could easily be nine and seven, and you feel
better about it. But I think a lot of Mets
fans are ringing that panic bell, that alarm bell of
oh we bought the deadline over was laughing at us again. Whatever,
there are two games out of a playoff spot, no
matter how the team looks right now, and I agree
that they don't look good. They don't look like they
have the same magic that they did the past two months.
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They're two games out, and I do feel for Braves
fans who just got Michael Harris back into the fold,
had that Grand Slam day. I think they took three.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Or four fields.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You're a Mets fan, let me expect. I'm just saying,
you know, teams get punched, is the point I'm trying
to make, and the Mets have gotten punched a little
bit recently. They almost lost an NEMO. The MRI came
back clean, but their big punch was the Sang injury,
and I'm sure you talked at length about it on
this show and talking baseball. That felt like the apex
(05:36):
of the season right.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There, Grams. We're winning, Sang is bad.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Sang is back, We're hitting grand slams off Moreton, three
homers in an inning, We're up big. The home crowd
has sold out and packed, it's loud, Sanga rolls the calf,
and then since then they've been stumbling. So I'm hoping
that they can find some footing about like this is
kind of ed Jake, These next ten games, is it's
kind of it. It's three with the Oriels at home,
(06:01):
seven on the road, padres and d backs like that
is your if you want a tester to find out
who you are. The Met's having in front of them
right now.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
This is.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
This is it and it it isn't it like you said, Baltimore,
San Diego, Arizona, San Diego, and Arizona on the West coast,
they do have the medicine waiting for them in the
Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Scar No, it's not, it can be. No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Seems that they're a historically bad team.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Any team can win any game.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Jake, It's not true. Not that team, not that team.
Although the yank they just took one from the Yanks
and they took one from Houston, so.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
They can take one you'd like to sweep.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You can't take you can't lose the series. You cannot
to a historically bad team. What franchise would go in
with playoff hopes? Play a historically?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Don't do this, don't invite me on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, you're right, you're right now, mess up.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But everyone knows where they would cast their ballot.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Man, I didn't see this schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's see san Diego Ceasemusgrove, King Perez, who you might
hear about on the trades looks like e Rod blanking Gallon.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I don't know. That's tough to look at.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You have to think five hundred, which is tricky because
this time of year, you know that it's almost going
to bring you to September. But with Chicago after that,
five hundred would be a win, which is scary to
think about because one or two go the wrong way.
Oh three and sevens this time of year, I mean,
they could be the end of it. So that is
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very daunting. Let's see in September Boston, Cincy, Toronto, Double Philly,
Double Washington in between Atlanta. Hey, get to September twenty fourth, Yeah,
keep it with in three games by then and see
what happens.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
The only thing that's I'm I don't think enough people
are talking about it is I think they're still Mets
believers out there. They're ten games under five hundred against
winning teams and they need they need to prove it, dude,
like they they didn't mop up against bad teams at home.
Now they have to beat good teams and they haven't
been great at that. I think a lot of it
is still that really bad may But a record is
(08:24):
a record.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Kind of got to handle Baltimore. You gotta win the series. Yeah, try,
you kind of got to handle Baltimore. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Where are we at with individual Mets players? I know
you're pushing this Lindora MVP.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It doesn't need pushing Jake, he leads the league in war.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, Uh pushing this Lindora MVP narrative?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Where are we at with Pistol Pete? Where are we
at with McNeil? Like he I know he came out
of the break hot is he still doing that I
guess this Mets team when you look back in two years, Oh,
what feelings are you? Do you think you're gonna feel
about them?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Heavy question?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That's a good question, I mean good. I think a
good insight into Mets fandom is how people look at
the nineteen team, which didn't make the playoff, seem they
won like eighty six games.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
People love that team. They banged.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I think they won like twelve games in a row
in August or something. They were like a magic team
that fizzled at the end because of bad defense and
bad bullpen. And right now the vibe is kind of
the same, Like when they win, they're banging the ball
round and hitting homers like that was Pete's first year
and Confordo's last year and everyone was just smacking the
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cover off the ball. That's what this team looks like
right now. And the two games most recently that they
lost that they really needed were because of their bullpen,
which they tried to fix at the deadline and so
far has been mixed results at best. So if it
ends the same, I think the vibe will be the same.
I think they'll be remembered decently fondly. They had a
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lot of fun in June and July. But you want
that to kind of mean something, right. You want that
to not be like, oh, well, all this did is
prevent us from selling and setting ourselves up better in
the future. You want to get something out of this,
And I do still maintain that. I think they did
the right thing of the deadline, which was byelight protect
your top twenty guys and you know, make the roster better.
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I think Stern's did a good job, but those guys
have to produce, and right now, I think Blackburn's been okay,
but the rest of them have not really performed, and
that's going to be on them, I think going forward
the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And you, well, I don't think you do know this,
but not doing this in a clickbait way. Sure, Alonso,
where are we at?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Does this feel like it's it? How about that? Like
that's the question?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right The vibe right now in my.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Head is like, wow, this is the last six weeks.
If Peter A Lonzo hasn't met and I think a
lot of people will disagree with me, and that's super valid.
But all you have to do is look at the way
sterens Is operated in the past, like he's he does
not sign corner infielders to big deals. I think he
did with Mustakas once and that was it. I mean,
he've they the Brewers find a way at the corner
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infield spots every.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Year, right, But that's also the Brewers.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like I agree, You're in a different market now, and
I'm interested to see how he treats his first big
free agency pool, which is this offseason. But dude, I mean,
he's got the worst batting average with runners in scoring
position among qualified players. He's been the worst run producer
in the league if you want to go by that metric.
If you're a box score watcher, he looks like he's
(11:39):
having a terrific season. He's on pace for thirty He's
got an eight hundred ops.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Like, what more do you want in.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For almost forty? Yeah, you would tell you.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I mean forteen last year, forty one the year before.
The I'm an RBI believer.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I like RBS. Oh wow, I am, And.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You can come at me all you want say it's circumstantial.
I think RBS matter, especially when the guy's hitting forth
every day and right now.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
He's third on the team. Yeah, that's it's.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Not going to cut it, especially if he wants to
reset the market like he said he was going to
last year. So I still think that that rejection on
the seven for one point fifty eight million or something
just hung a dark cloud over him and put a
lot of pressure on him, and that stinks. But now
you're in the scenario where you know your contract year
was one of the worst years of your career, even
(12:28):
if that's a little unfair to say because he's had
a great career. That the vibe for me right now
is like, I think I'm in the last six weeks
if Peter A Lonzo has I met unless he goes
on some insane terror and turns the whole narrative around.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
This Alonso final, I mean, not even a month and
a half at this point. Six weeks or whatever is
going to be fascinating because the ops right now, since
at eight hundred flat, the OPS plus is one twenty seven,
which is better than last year a good September, and
all of these numbers will say Alonso on a sheet
of paper, I'm sorry about your run production. Sure, but
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that's where the nerds may have put themselves in a
corner by saying, well, Arbi is that's not how little
you can't control that, even though you're saying he's been
the worst hitter with runners in scoring position, which he
can control a little more. Yeah, I don't to go
away from a guy that seems like a lock for
thirty five home runs. But if he has a bad month,
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teams are gonna be shy. I'm not gonna say he's
gonna get Conford ohed, but like, if those numbers come
down a little bit, I think he's gonna have a
good less time.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And dude, like the other side of the coin is
your guy Mark Fiento's. He's looked amazing, but his defense
is like a legitimate concern. I think he's looked Okay. Oh,
if I'm the Mets, right and I see Matt Chapman
having the year that he's having, I can put Viento's
at first base, and I can get the best defender
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in the league.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
At the base.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I thought we don't pay corner infielders.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Maybe we do.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Would you rather have Chapman over Alonzo? Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, just who Mark Fio says?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Is b baby still in the equation?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I don't think that's a fun game.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
If it's free agency same contract, woahame contract, same contract.
Is Chappy older, I.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Think is gonna ask for more and maybe get more.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I mean it's interesting because, like you said, Matt Chapman
is gonna outwar him in a big way. Matt Chapman
is at least going to provide good defense at a
primo position, and his oss old.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Chapman's two years older. So what if it was the same,
if it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Was twenty five million a year for six years of
Chapman or seven.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Of Alonzo Steep, But that that's probably what the price
is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Seven years for a Lonzo is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Scary, dude, like that, I would go right now, I
would go Chapman. But I also there's an argument for Chapman.
There's a Christian Walker lane too. Like this is why
I'm convinced it's not gonna happen. Because the Mets have options, dude.
Like the market of things that they need this offseason
is pretty stacked, like starting pitching in corner infield, so
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like they have options.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
See you in Seattle Pete quote, Jolly.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Olivan, I think you call it Seattle Man talk about
a signing that in a way I don't. I'm not
gonna say I feel bad for Pete, but I will
say stadium in team will very much affect how we
feel about Pete. Alonzo, Pee Alonzo signs with Houston, We're
all gonna go fuck yeah, we just gave them forty
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two homers.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
A year, maybe more because like if he go our porch.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And left can go oppo pretty easy. Like what's the
thing we've been sayings with the Cubs, like the poled
fly ball thing like that applies to Alonzo too, if
they want to go get them, Like that's the factors.
You know, he goes to the Cubs, and me and
the Cubs run office have our differences right now. And
like a dude, if he signs with Seattle, that's a
big boy ballpark and he's a lot of guys have
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gone there and had a bad time.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't know he's gonna get paid.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And it is a weird one that, especially for a
power hitter like him, that whatever team it is, like again,
like the Cincinnati Reds probably not in play, but you
know that's a hitter's ballpark. Gap to gap pretty easy,
A couple more balls fall you go to one of
those not hitter friendly places. Interesting to see and I'll
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root for your Mets. J'all go catch the Braves.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Don't feel their pain.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's nothing, no sympathy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh, here's hey, welcome to sports talky.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What's a team you like? Hey? You who's called.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
No? I guess do you have when you're looking around
the league, whether it's Jolly's sexy pick, whether it's just
like these are the guys, Who's who's the team you're
drinking their kool aid right now?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I liked what you said before, like shadow team that was?
That was a neat little Jaki spin. It's a good question.
I'm going to include teams that are currently in it too,
because honestly, dude, a lot of the teams that are
not in it right now it kind of makes sense,
Like I don't. I'm not buying into a lot of
comeback potential for a ton of teams.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
This was Dalton. Dalton texted me Saturday late night because I.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Was watching games in UFC. I'm a UFC junks. I
can't shake it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Maybe circle back on that, we'll see great fights mono amano.
Dalton was like, he hit me with the who's a
team that we're not thinking about? They can get back
in the mix. I literally think the only team that
checks that box is the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I was thinking about that they went nuts.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But I'm I want to go I'm a little I'm
a step past that, because I think the American League
is technically wide open slash Houston below the National League.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Powers are there and the non traditional powers like the
Snakes won the NL last year and they've been great
for a while, got Tampa this weekend. San Diego Padres
are starting to fulfill their prophecy, while the Dodgers and
Phillies exist with a fallen warrior of the braves like
still there. You might see Cy Young winner Chris Saale
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in it. So I guess that's where I think the
board is open. That I don't want you to necessarily
live in the end of the edge of the wild card.
Even if I think if someone says, like I like
this big boy over the other big boys right now,
that's that's powerful.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I like that you brought up that last part because
I want to do one from each league. Go I'll
go big boys stuff first. I mean, I don't think
it's outlandish or unfair at all to say that the
Brewers have been the most consistent National League team, which.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Is kind of crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Like, also, all three of those top Dogs, Phillies, Dodgers, Brewers,
they're all twenty games or more above five hundred. They're
all right within each other. Jeff Passen had a good
tweet about how like every top team is on pace
for like ninety five. Yes, like it's the land of
Opportunity this year, which is exciting and nerve wracking because
there's just a ton of teams that are in it
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and have like their own lottery ticket. But like poll
to poll, has there been a bad Brewer stretch? Like,
I feel like they've just been fundamentally sound on defense.
They've I don't know how they've figured out the rotation,
because their rotation going into this year and even right
now does not look like a playoff team right, Like
the four starter is still Joe Ross, which like is
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just working no offense to Joe Ross.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Like I'm just saying, you look at you know, the
Phillies rotation, the Dodgers, with everything they've dealt with, I
still think I'd like those names more. But dude, they've
just been getting it done, Like William Doomas is quietly
having you know, one of his best years. I think
their longest losing streak this season is three.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Like, the record for the month of July isn't good,
but their longest.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
They stumbled in. Yeah, they stumbled in and out of
the break, but nobody stretches.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Right. They're eleven and five in August. They're playing good teams.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
They're playing They played the Dodgers, they just played the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
They swept the Braves. So like, right now, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And I do this every fucking year, dude, whoa, they
do it every years.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Go back to swear.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Sorry, go back to my fourth month work at John
Boy Media. On four you called me up on Talking Baseball.
You said, what's who's your World Series pick? And I
picked the Brewers and they won the first game against
the Rais and they got swept. And then last year
on my own channel, I said, the Brewers are gonna
shock everybody. They're gonna go on some crazy run and
they got dumped in the wildcard round by you're fricking snakes.
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And right now I feel it happening to me again.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I like the.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Brewers a lot. I think they're consistent. I think they're
a solid team. I think they're the most like cohesive roster,
and I want to believe it, especially with the new manager,
maybe new juju, But they just break my heart every year.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, I guess I at some point in September, I'm
gonna have to start exploring matchups a little more and
feel right now, the Brewers lefties scare me. Terrang's offensive
numbers have gotten, yeah to a not good place, Yelly
being out for the year.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That hurts that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Their writings are great, and I'm sure they're writings, right,
He's like William Contreras, Willia Domas.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know, it is whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But I do think there's something come the postseason, that
there's something to baseball that hey, if that if that
nasty righty is coming out of your bullpen and he
has a wipeout slider that's been tough for every righty
hitter in baseball history. And yeah, we've all kind of
been a little bit hurt by the Brewers and it
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there's something dirty about it. They trade Corden Burns before
the season, and yet they feel more powerful than they've
ever felt. Yeah, they Yeah, I don't know the comp
for them in the Ale has been the Guardians. Both
teams kind of lack starting pitching. Both teams have amazing bullpens.
I think both teams play. I think the secret is
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both of those organizations can tap into whatever bullpen.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
They really want. Go.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Look who's mowing guys down in the Brewers pen, Hudson,
Hudson and a crazy year, like an all time reliever year,
Jared Kanig. Sure you know the guys that they've tapped
into down there, Nick Meher's trade deadline ad from the Rocks.
They can tap into guys in the bullpen that they
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can almost ensure they'll be solid down there, and they
play great defense. And I think there's something in that
formula that that's gonna win you a chunk of baseball games.
That when you've got the offensive performance that they have
from a few guys William, Willie and Yellie. When he
was out there, Jackson trio like turned it on for
a little bit. Gary another righty, Garry having a nice year. Alrighty,
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so alrighty.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Then, So, I don't know I understand it. With the Brewers.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It just has the same sense of Brewers prove it,
which maybe that's rude.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's going to be a testament to how does this
postseason feel in the NL, because every other team is
kind of coming to the party with their battle scars,
Like even if the Braves are the skeleton of themselves,
they're still braves. A lot of them, a lot of
them have bling in their closet. The Dodgers are starting
off with three MVPs and some big salaries. The Phillies
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were literally made to be a postseason team. The Diamondbacks
won the NL last year. The Padres were supposed to
be this team that, like everyone else, is gonna be
shown up to the dance and the stretch limo and
the party hummer and everything else. And the Brewers are
going to pull up in that same like Chevy suburban
and be like, okay, we're here.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's just it's tough for me to buy in for
the postseason because I believe in what they do in
the regular season. And maybe this is really dumb, because
maybe the postseason is a crap shoot. Maybe it's less
of a crap shoot than we think, and maybe the
postseason turns into more Jimmies than Joe's. But then you
could point at the d Backs last year that they
feel like the loophole. Currently, maybe the Brewers are just
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looking for their loophole season and maybe it's this.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Year, and like it's it's so stupid that we're like
because the reason I'm committing them is like they've been consistent, right,
Like not a lot of teams can say that this
year like that they've just been consistent for the entire year.
But that almost like counts against them, wow, in the playoffs,
because like the past two years, even three years, it's
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just been about what team is the hottest at the
end of September going into the playoffs. So if you're
the Brewers, it's not about you know, winning six of
every ten or winning five or every nine. It's about
getting real hot in the last two weeks and just
hoping you can carry that momentum. Or if I'm the Brewers,
it's about not being the third division team, because that's
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kind of what boned them last year. That they have
a chance to be a top two seed, and I
really do think that makes a difference for them, whereas,
like you know, if the Dodgers fall into the three
or the Phillies. Dude, Suddenly they're in dangerous territory because
they're more built for the five game set, the seven
game set, rather than the three I'm said, so that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Dodgers might not be right now. They're entering a weird spot.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
For any true baseball losers out there, high subscribe man.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I click around Baseball Reference a lot. Go look at
the Brewers team page and just look at their top
twenty four players all time.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It pops up with their pictures.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
There's a lot of cats that I am not familiar with,
and just a lot of silly pictures. Gorman Thomas, excuse me,
Gorman Thomas has a picture that's hard if Chris.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Bosio has a little bit of meat on the bone,
and I.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Don't know, for some reason, it looks like Jonathan Lacroix
picture got taken place in nineteen What is that?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Hurts my soul a little bit?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
With that little to give the people, the people a
little scroll of these Brewers beauties middle bottom row for
everyone on the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean maybe maybe Unspoiled or the other teams I
check out, but some of these names, even my guy
Teddy Aguero the fifth most Warren Brewers' history and uh
me and Teddy don't have a relationship yet, but we're
about to.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Kind of looks like fully grown me with no official.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Uh pretty Aguera from Los Mochis, Mexico, and it looks
like he was just an electric factory and then maybe
his arm fell off.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Number eighteen Yovani Guardo there are Oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I mean again, I don't I don't want to be
rude to anyone, because I had a moment on talking
to Yanks last night I'm not proud of. But Gorman
Thomas is the gentleman with the mustache and hair going everywhere,
and then even Chris Bosio next to him, that's one
of those guys. For years, I think, I think baseball,
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I think people outside of baseball were rude, the guys
like Chris Bosio who balled out. So I actually wanted
Chris Bosio apology. Oh yeah, from anyone that was rude
to him. Uh okay, So you mentioned NL You want
to believe in the Brewers at.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Least a couple of Big Gorman Thomas yours?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, obviously, is he Nolan Gorman Thomas.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Thomas thirty nine Homers.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What are you seeing in the.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
American Oh, I'm seeing uh, well, you know, talk of
the town is only Astros.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
They're back. Oh and they are like they're going to
be the Ale winner. We all know what was that?
Sorry pause?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
You know what team has not had a losing month
this year? And I never would have guessed it if
you have talked about it on Talking Baseball.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The Detroit Pistons, Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I've kind of just been.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like, there's a Twins discussion, and it stinks.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
They got an ugly, like an ugly start, like they
went seven and thirteen.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't think anybody was writing them off, but it
was sort of like, oh, what's going on? This was
supposed to just kind of be your division that you
run with. I fully think they're going to catch the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I think that, like in.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
The full one sixty two and like we're starting to
see them fade a little bit. I think it's down
to two games now their lead, Yeah, two game lead.
I just believe in Twins town a little bit. And
they're doing this without like a good Papulo Lopez season,
which I think they were fully counting on Joe Ryan's
hurt again and their pitching development is starting to come through,
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like their guys had been Bailey Obert and Simeon Woods
richardson the Nightmare. IM really glad the Mets got to
dodge him in that series. I like what they've been doing.
Their Achilles Shill has alway kind of been their bullpen,
it's still kind of true. And then keeping the guys
on the field healthy. They lost Korea, they lost Buxton.
I don't know, man, maybe it's a little bit of
al central itis of like the recent history and also
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the fact that I absolutely love Carlos Santana just everything
about him. I love him. I just think they're gonna
creep up and probably swipe the division. And I'm curious
because I want them to. Uh, they got the monkey
off their back last year they won a playoff series.
They want a playoff game, and they were competitive with Houston.
I want them to build off it, and I really
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do think they can. But a big part of.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
That is I think stay in a top the Central.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But it is cool that right now we have three
Ales Central teams in the mix, because that has that
ever been the case in the twenty twenties. I don't
think it has. It's a nice change of pace. But
the Twins right now, I got my eye on them.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, there's some Twins that since they got off to
their rough start. So I think it's the end of April.
It's like April twenty second or something. They're on a
hundred win pace.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
That wow, jeez.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So again that's you.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Know, taking out four weeks of the season that they've
been kind of that one hundred win team that doesn't
exist this year. I JOm kind of opened up my
eyes to this stat initially, Uh, the record against teams
over five hundred, it does matter.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Oh yeah, the teams.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
There there, the Twins are twenty nine and thirty seven.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
That's real.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
That's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The other hey, if anyone is looking for something on
the Houston Astros, they still struggle in that department. They're
twenty six and thirty against those teams. Again, I think
there when did their schedule happen is probably more important
at this point. Sure, Houston also a losing record against lefties,
so them and the Yankees have that in common. But
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they traded for a lefty starting pitcher at the deadline. God,
you can already see it. Yeah, I I just think
we're at an interesting point where there's about to be
a month of baseball is going to happen. That's going
to dictate a lot of things. It's going to dictate
your playoff rotation. It's going to dictate who kicks to
the bull, it's going to dictate how we're feeling about
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a lot of teams. Uh, but no real traditional powers
right now that you hammering the table.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
They are the favorite.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, like Houston, I think they're back to being like
the technical favorite just.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Out of fear.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Really, I mean of the like first place teams. They've
played like the most well for the most.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Long since May first. I think they have the best
record since May eighth. They have the best era and
the best ops. Good combo, yeah, good recipe.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And you know, I don't know if you know this,
but some of their guys have been there before.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
And they've done that.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, Yankees thirteen to nineteen versus left handed starting pitchers.
Sure you won't feel that, Framburing Kakuchi, that's Josh Hader.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
The good news is on the al side, that might
be the one team you're really scared, but we'd be
scared anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Hey, we were gonna feels like we're gonna be scared
of you no matter what.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's You can't hurt us anymore. We're already broke.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
We're not any more scared that you guys have two
lefties and one that's really really killed us.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
It's emotional, it's also uh, the same conversation applies here,
Like any one of those three division leaders could end
up the three seed, Like there's no clear cut. Like,
if Houston keeps on their pace, they're gonna catch up
in no time. I think they're like what three and
a half games back of the other division leaders. They'll
make up that ground in six weeks.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
So like, if they keep going there, and if you
the last thing you want to do is give Houston
to buy on top of everything else of them getting
back into the things, if they also get to buy,
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
They're just the ale favorite at full stop.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, and it's hard to argue against it. Uh, jolly
full disclosure. What do you want a little in a
busy couple days, I'll let you cook on some deadline ads,
whatever you need, whatever you need to let out on
your heart oh, I like that good the.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Good and the bad or the good or the bad.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean it was an eventful deadline, right, like a
lot of trades, a lot of transactions, and we're about
we're about fifteen sixteen games now of sample that we
can really look at and see the impact. I don't know, man,
Like I feel like this is the narrative of like
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all these teams are on pace for ninety five wins,
like it's anybody's game. I'll look contributing reason of that
is because no deadline acquisition was a.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Huge splash, like none of them.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Like Zak Efflin, I wanted him.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I wanted him really great.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I wanted him real bad on my mets, especially with
that extra year of control. We'll start there. I think
Zach Eflin is a good starting place. I think that
was one of the better moves made at this year's deadline,
and the Orioles now have him for next year as well.
With their looming rotation questions. He's been big for them,
and the Oriols have been a weird team.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Man.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I constantly joke that whenever the Yankees win, the Oarls win.
Whenever the Yankees lose, you ors lose because it's sort
of a handshake agreement.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Dude. They had like a bad July.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Like they had a really like pretty twelve and thirteen.
I don't think speaks to their performance in July because
they're Bears scraping out wins and they were losing games
they needed to win. That zach Eflin in there as
a stopper for them and just four starts offs has
been absolutely massive. I think that's really changed the outlook
on their season because without zach Eflin, you're really starting
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to rely on guys like Albert Suarez.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Who they have leaned on and he's been great, but
you know those.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Those stories that feels differently.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, they have like sort of a magic attachment to
them that could fizzle at any moment. You never you
can't rely on that kind of thing. And then I
think they're really feeling things in the bullpen too. Like
Kimberl I think has been what you'd expect, but not
having Felix Bautista changed everything for them, I think from
the get go. So that acquisition I think is probably
I would say it's like top three right now in
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terms of immediate impact, long term impact, and playoff impact
because he's now you're probably your Game two starter. You
get Burns, you get e Flyn, and maybe maybe Swars,
maybe Dean Kramer.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But it look like seventeen in clean.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Put yourself in the scenario where the Orioles finished.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
In second place, Yankees win the division.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yea, they get the buy cool Orioles are in the
wildcard round without Eflyn. It's Burns, Suarez Kramer. Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I mean we're waiting for Gray Rod updates. He's out.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
He's out right now. If you lose Game one with Burns,
the season's over. I don't think that's crazy to say.
With e Flyn, I think you give yourself a pretty
good chance, which is why I.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Really wanted him on my team. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I'm looking across the numbers you mentioned. Kakuchi has been
really good. That was a trade that kind of got
blasted when it happened, and still has the chance to
age poorly. But that guy's been real good since he
got to Houston, and now he got that whole lefty
problem with them. I want to get the strikeout numbers
he he went eleven and eight in his first two starts.
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Hasn't been devouring innings. But that's kind of what they needed.
They need premium starting pitching because their whole thing is
the bullpen. Dude, it's supposed to be once you get
to the seventh inning, we win the game. So if
Kakuchi's only going five and two thirds, that's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Fine in the playoffs. So that's incredible in.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
The playoffs, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
You take that every day of the week.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
So those two guys I think have been the big
ticket starters and then dude, like the bats have just
been quiet across the board, Like Jazz was the exciting one.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
But he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I think he's going to come back after the minimum, right,
That's what he said, and I believe him. I think
I believe him. I don't know if I believe the Yankees.
They're weird with injuries, team motto all the time. Outside
of him, you know, where would the Bravest be without
Jorge Soler has been you know, hit mashing the cover
off the ball since coming back. But it's really you know,
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the top heavy pitching and a couple of bats and
everything else has been just kind of keeping teams either
where they were or honestly actively hurting teams.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It is neat checking in on these bullpen guys because
I mean they've in fact had more impact. At this point,
you're looking at aj Puck's pitching ten games, Adam and Scott, Adam,
Scott Golf or actor.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
For the Padres.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think they've pitched in a combined like fifteen to sixties.
So it's like that those teams went not it's in
an impact, that's a massive impact. Sir Anthony Dimingez in
the back of the Orioles bullpench true men and then
on again. I don't want to land the ship here,
but the Red Sox added a couple of bullpen guys
that have been having a tough gul.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Luis Garcia has been struggling.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Luis Garcia has felt like a trick of sorts, and
yet just a reminder, Luis Jorge Solaire career nine hundred
ops on the Atlanta Braids, career seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Four everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Uh, and dude, good on, he's playing right field for them,
that's actually hurting his war numbers, which I looked and
he was that right field that true is ain't small?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And they were playing the Rockies and I saw him.
That's a massive outfield to cover.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Welcome to Atlanta, you're running pop. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I I mean it's funny because I do think there's
something to that instant impact. Like you talked about the
teams that went on winning streaks, AJ Puck saved their
butt a couple.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Of times, couple games.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
All these bullpen guys that have been contributing in that
matters at the same time. You know, I was laughing today,
I'm talking base Well, if Sir Anthony Domingez blows an
Orioles playoff game like the Dombrowski god, people are gonna
come back out, or vice versa. If Philly has bullpen
struggles and Domingas and Soto are doing something for the Orioles, Uh,
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there will be some loud noises from Philly fans for
the first time.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
In a while.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Although they're loud, and Shelfy's pretty loud when he keeps
in he gets loud.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Oh, he's powerful.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I mean, you guys did is a little you know,
peek inside the event, but you guys were doing Harper
versus Trout on stage. That was I saw genuine upset
reactions from Shelfy. He wanted to get involved and he
was just on the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
And I feeling it.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I felt the passion coming from him.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Chris's kind of dunked on me in that segment. People
aren't talking about that in that.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Rose he can sneaky do that sometimes, like he'll play
both sides, but then all of a sudden he'll just
swerve on you.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
The question was bigger impact on the game, I think
it was Trout Harper. I was the only troutest up there.
I agreed with you, and then yeah, the Harper boys,
John trev and then Chris Rose at the end went
with the dunk of like, you know, he's got hair
and he plays well. I thought about chiming in with
one more piece of information that I felt get left out.
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From twenty twelve to twenty twenty one, if you asked
a baseball person, hey, who's the best player in the game,
you would have said.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
You were allowed to say someone else.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, for a decade that was the answer. So yeah,
I mean what Harper's doing is Philly is great. It's electric.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I love Harper.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I've said many times I wish the Yankees brought in
Bryce Harper because they need a little Bryce Harper impact
on the overall game.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I see why.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's a fun question, and the.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Kids are kind of conversation and swag and Trout has
missed a lot in the last couple of years. But
there was also a decade before that where one of
the most asked questions in baseball was answered with one name. Yeah,
so I don't know. I thought about that all weekend.
Chris Rose, Jolly, I actually I kind of have to
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roll told Jess I would be home after days of
working the weekend for some not us. Thank you for
hopping on slightly impromptu any teasers? What's coming, Jolly?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Video?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Nothing concrete, which is weird for me on a Monday. Appecially,
the script is done.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Usually by this point you've you've got what the video
will do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I've done a little bit of notes here and there,
but not I mean, you know, Saturday there will be
an upload, so.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Look forward to that.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Martinez.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
That's a layup, Jake and on hit laps, I take
mid range twos.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Deep twos.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Joe Johnson, everyone, baby, everyone go check out jam Baseball
his channel anywhere the john Boy media is sold. Hey,
I think your rival should be here. On Wednesday, foolish baseball.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Why he is coming up?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
We'll see not here, No, physically.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
In the spirit, okay, thieves tell him about Uncle Dan.
Waken Jakin's production of Dan Patrick Productions, John Boy Media
and Workhouse Media.
Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake myself, Jolly Olive is
back in Big Baby David As we're gonna circle around
the league. We're gonna check in on Jolly's mets, see
how he's feeling. Uh, maybe get a team he's hot
to trot on that the people aren't talking about. We're
gonna check in on some of the deadline ads and
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how they're looking, and much more coming up. Okay, Uh,
what's going on? I hope everybody had a good weekend.
I am still Swiss cheese from fanatics vest pretty good time.
We can walk through some of that pretty cool sports
event they rolled it out, interested to see how it evolves.
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Do they make money off of it? Are they losing
tons of money? Is it worth the exposure?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
If someone has the business maths, please reach out to us.
But it was a good time and we could talk
about that a little bit for now. Jelly Olive, how
are you, my tear making friend.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm good, Jake. Yeah, it's been a little bit. I
think since we did the Triple Threat fool.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh wow, that was the last one since then.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm pretty good. I had a nice weekend. I was
at finax Fest on Friday. It was absolutely bananas. We
were on the main stage for two hours, I think
before Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson, which is a ridiculous
place to put us in the schedule. But we had
a great time. The crowd was awesome. A bunch of
people said, hey, I got to do some pictures and
sign some balls, which is really neat, like I've actually
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accomplished anything in life. And you were there the whole weekend,
and I can hear it in your voice a little
bit out.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
There, can in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I think I lost it during the initial two hour
thing we did on the main stage because we couldn't
hear ourselves that well. Yeah, but apparently the crowd heard
everything really well. But I was yelling because I was like,
I don't think they can hear us. And then I
checked with everyone backstage and they're like, no, the audio
is incredible.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I got came too loud.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why am I yelling just to lose my voice for
the whole weekend as I talk to people the entire time.
But we'll circle back on a little more of that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Jolly.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Let's start on your team. The New York Mets. Wow,
And maybe this will lead into another conversation about I'll
call them the shadow baseball teams.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We talk about the shadow strike.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Zone sometimes when it comes to pitching and getting calls.
What was looking like a potential spicy wild card on
each side is looking a little less spicy. The Red
Sox are three and a half games back of the
Kansas City Royals, and then it's the Mariners at five
and a half. Yeah, Seattle, we have a hatred kind
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of mutual right now.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It should be so much better.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It shouldn't be like this, and Mariners fans agree, I
think for the most part, because hitting matters. That's been
my whole thing for a couple years now. On the
national side, technically, the closest team from being out to
in of a wild card spot are your New York Mets,
who are two games back of the Atlanta Braves, who
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just lost young thick Austin Riley for six to eight,
with the Giants four games back. And then you're getting
into the NL Central teams that have If you think
I have a dislike for how the Mariners are operating,
any team that's not the Brewers in the Central, boy,
you've You've made me boil, as John Boyce said last
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night talking about his Yanks. So start off with your Mets.
We're sixty four and forty, sixty four and sixty as
we record this. We added a little bit at the deadline,
Jesse Winker, who I think will be brought up in
a little bit. Sure, where are we at with the
mad Lads and Flushing?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, we're in a weird spot.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think they had a pretty gnarly ten game rotor
not in terms of the teams they played, but in
terms of the travel they had to go through. They
had to go to Anaheim and then for a day
they went to Saint Louis, then they went to Colorado,
and then they finished in Seattle. And most people know
about that Seattle series. They got swept Sunday night baseball blowout,
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and then Seattle went right back to where they were
right after sweeping US, which was just losing games they
should be winning. I'm sorry Seattle fans, but you guys
handed our ass to us that weekend, So I still
got a little resentment there. But since coming home kind
of disappointing. They went three and three against the A's
and Marlins. The last A's game, and the last Marlins
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game was incredibly tough too one run losses where the
bullpen kind of let the team down. We didn't hit
in certain spots. And you know, I think they're keeping
a float right now.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They're seven and nine in August.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
They could easily be nine and seven, and you feel
better about it. But I think a lot of Mets
fans are ringing that panic bell, that alarm bell of
oh we bought the deadline over was laughing at us again. Whatever,
there are two games out of a playoff spot, no
matter how the team looks right now, and I agree
that they don't look good. They don't look like they
have the same magic that they did the past two months.
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They're two games out, and I do feel for Braves
fans who just got Michael Harris back into the fold,
had that Grand Slam day. I think they took three.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Or four fields.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You're a Mets fan, let me expect. I'm just saying,
you know, teams get punched, is the point I'm trying
to make, and the Mets have gotten punched a little
bit recently. They almost lost an NEMO. The MRI came
back clean, but their big punch was the Sang injury,
and I'm sure you talked at length about it on
this show and talking baseball. That felt like the apex
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of the season right.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There, Grams. We're winning, Sang is bad.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Sang is back, We're hitting grand slams off Moreton, three
homers in an inning, We're up big. The home crowd
has sold out and packed, it's loud, Sanga rolls the calf,
and then since then they've been stumbling. So I'm hoping
that they can find some footing about like this is
kind of ed Jake, These next ten games, is it's
kind of it. It's three with the Oriels at home,
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seven on the road, padres and d backs like that
is your if you want a tester to find out
who you are. The Met's having in front of them
right now.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
This is.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
This is it and it it isn't it like you said, Baltimore,
San Diego, Arizona, San Diego, and Arizona on the West coast,
they do have the medicine waiting for them in the
Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Scar No, it's not, it can be. No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Seems that they're a historically bad team.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Any team can win any game.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Jake, It's not true. Not that team, not that team.
Although the yank they just took one from the Yanks
and they took one from Houston, so.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
They can take one you'd like to sweep.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You can't take you can't lose the series. You cannot
to a historically bad team. What franchise would go in
with playoff hopes? Play a historically?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Don't do this, don't invite me on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, you're right, you're right now, mess up.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But everyone knows where they would cast their ballot.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Man, I didn't see this schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's see san Diego Ceasemusgrove, King Perez, who you might
hear about on the trades looks like e Rod blanking Gallon.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I don't know. That's tough to look at.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You have to think five hundred, which is tricky because
this time of year, you know that it's almost going
to bring you to September. But with Chicago after that,
five hundred would be a win, which is scary to
think about because one or two go the wrong way.
Oh three and sevens this time of year, I mean,
they could be the end of it. So that is
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very daunting. Let's see in September Boston, Cincy, Toronto, Double Philly,
Double Washington in between Atlanta. Hey, get to September twenty fourth, Yeah,
keep it with in three games by then and see
what happens.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
The only thing that's I'm I don't think enough people
are talking about it is I think they're still Mets
believers out there. They're ten games under five hundred against
winning teams and they need they need to prove it, dude,
like they they didn't mop up against bad teams at home.
Now they have to beat good teams and they haven't
been great at that. I think a lot of it
is still that really bad may But a record is
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a record.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Kind of got to handle Baltimore. You gotta win the series. Yeah, try,
you kind of got to handle Baltimore. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Where are we at with individual Mets players? I know
you're pushing this Lindora MVP.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It doesn't need pushing Jake, he leads the league in war.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, Uh pushing this Lindora MVP narrative?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Where are we at with Pistol Pete? Where are we
at with McNeil? Like he I know he came out
of the break hot is he still doing that I
guess this Mets team when you look back in two years, Oh,
what feelings are you? Do you think you're gonna feel
about them?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Heavy question?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That's a good question, I mean good. I think a
good insight into Mets fandom is how people look at
the nineteen team, which didn't make the playoff, seem they
won like eighty six games.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
People love that team. They banged.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I think they won like twelve games in a row
in August or something. They were like a magic team
that fizzled at the end because of bad defense and
bad bullpen. And right now the vibe is kind of
the same, Like when they win, they're banging the ball
round and hitting homers like that was Pete's first year
and Confordo's last year and everyone was just smacking the
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cover off the ball. That's what this team looks like
right now. And the two games most recently that they
lost that they really needed were because of their bullpen,
which they tried to fix at the deadline and so
far has been mixed results at best. So if it
ends the same, I think the vibe will be the same.
I think they'll be remembered decently fondly. They had a
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lot of fun in June and July. But you want
that to kind of mean something, right. You want that
to not be like, oh, well, all this did is
prevent us from selling and setting ourselves up better in
the future. You want to get something out of this,
And I do still maintain that. I think they did
the right thing of the deadline, which was byelight protect
your top twenty guys and you know, make the roster better.
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I think Stern's did a good job, but those guys
have to produce, and right now, I think Blackburn's been okay,
but the rest of them have not really performed, and
that's going to be on them, I think going forward
the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And you, well, I don't think you do know this,
but not doing this in a clickbait way. Sure, Alonso,
where are we at?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Does this feel like it's it? How about that? Like
that's the question?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right The vibe right now in my.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Head is like, wow, this is the last six weeks.
If Peter A Lonzo hasn't met and I think a
lot of people will disagree with me, and that's super valid.
But all you have to do is look at the way
sterens Is operated in the past, like he's he does
not sign corner infielders to big deals. I think he
did with Mustakas once and that was it. I mean,
he've they the Brewers find a way at the corner
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infield spots every.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Year, right, But that's also the Brewers.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like I agree, You're in a different market now, and
I'm interested to see how he treats his first big
free agency pool, which is this offseason. But dude, I mean,
he's got the worst batting average with runners in scoring
position among qualified players. He's been the worst run producer
in the league if you want to go by that metric.
If you're a box score watcher, he looks like he's
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having a terrific season. He's on pace for thirty He's
got an eight hundred ops.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Like, what more do you want in.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For almost forty? Yeah, you would tell you.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I mean forteen last year, forty one the year before.
The I'm an RBI believer.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I like RBS. Oh wow, I am, And.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You can come at me all you want say it's circumstantial.
I think RBS matter, especially when the guy's hitting forth
every day and right now.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
He's third on the team. Yeah, that's it's.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Not going to cut it, especially if he wants to
reset the market like he said he was going to
last year. So I still think that that rejection on
the seven for one point fifty eight million or something
just hung a dark cloud over him and put a
lot of pressure on him, and that stinks. But now
you're in the scenario where you know your contract year
was one of the worst years of your career, even
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if that's a little unfair to say because he's had
a great career. That the vibe for me right now
is like, I think I'm in the last six weeks
if Peter A Lonzo has I met unless he goes
on some insane terror and turns the whole narrative around.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
This Alonso final, I mean, not even a month and
a half at this point. Six weeks or whatever is
going to be fascinating because the ops right now, since
at eight hundred flat, the OPS plus is one twenty seven,
which is better than last year a good September, and
all of these numbers will say Alonso on a sheet
of paper, I'm sorry about your run production. Sure, but
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that's where the nerds may have put themselves in a
corner by saying, well, Arbi is that's not how little
you can't control that, even though you're saying he's been
the worst hitter with runners in scoring position, which he
can control a little more. Yeah, I don't to go
away from a guy that seems like a lock for
thirty five home runs. But if he has a bad month,
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teams are gonna be shy. I'm not gonna say he's
gonna get Conford ohed, but like, if those numbers come
down a little bit, I think he's gonna have a
good less time.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And dude, like the other side of the coin is
your guy Mark Fiento's. He's looked amazing, but his defense
is like a legitimate concern. I think he's looked Okay. Oh,
if I'm the Mets, right and I see Matt Chapman
having the year that he's having, I can put Viento's
at first base, and I can get the best defender
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in the league.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
At the base.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I thought we don't pay corner infielders.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Maybe we do.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Would you rather have Chapman over Alonzo? Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, just who Mark Fio says?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Is b baby still in the equation?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I don't think that's a fun game.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
If it's free agency same contract, woahame contract, same contract.
Is Chappy older, I.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Think is gonna ask for more and maybe get more.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I mean it's interesting because, like you said, Matt Chapman
is gonna outwar him in a big way. Matt Chapman
is at least going to provide good defense at a
primo position, and his oss old.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Chapman's two years older. So what if it was the same,
if it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Was twenty five million a year for six years of
Chapman or seven.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Of Alonzo Steep, But that that's probably what the price
is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Seven years for a Lonzo is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Scary, dude, like that, I would go right now, I
would go Chapman. But I also there's an argument for Chapman.
There's a Christian Walker lane too. Like this is why
I'm convinced it's not gonna happen. Because the Mets have options, dude.
Like the market of things that they need this offseason
is pretty stacked, like starting pitching in corner infield, so
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like they have options.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
See you in Seattle Pete quote, Jolly.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Olivan, I think you call it Seattle Man talk about
a signing that in a way I don't. I'm not
gonna say I feel bad for Pete, but I will
say stadium in team will very much affect how we
feel about Pete. Alonzo, Pee Alonzo signs with Houston, We're
all gonna go fuck yeah, we just gave them forty
(15:52):
two homers.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
A year, maybe more because like if he go our porch.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And left can go oppo pretty easy. Like what's the
thing we've been sayings with the Cubs, like the poled
fly ball thing like that applies to Alonzo too, if
they want to go get them, Like that's the factors.
You know, he goes to the Cubs, and me and
the Cubs run office have our differences right now. And
like a dude, if he signs with Seattle, that's a
big boy ballpark and he's a lot of guys have
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gone there and had a bad time.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't know he's gonna get paid.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And it is a weird one that, especially for a
power hitter like him, that whatever team it is, like again,
like the Cincinnati Reds probably not in play, but you
know that's a hitter's ballpark. Gap to gap pretty easy,
A couple more balls fall you go to one of
those not hitter friendly places. Interesting to see and I'll
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root for your Mets. J'all go catch the Braves.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Don't feel their pain.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's nothing, no sympathy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh, here's hey, welcome to sports talky.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What's a team you like? Hey? You who's called.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
No? I guess do you have when you're looking around
the league, whether it's Jolly's sexy pick, whether it's just
like these are the guys, Who's who's the team you're
drinking their kool aid right now?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I liked what you said before, like shadow team that was?
That was a neat little Jaki spin. It's a good question.
I'm going to include teams that are currently in it too,
because honestly, dude, a lot of the teams that are
not in it right now it kind of makes sense,
Like I don't. I'm not buying into a lot of
comeback potential for a ton of teams.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
This was Dalton. Dalton texted me Saturday late night because I.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Was watching games in UFC. I'm a UFC junks. I
can't shake it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Maybe circle back on that, we'll see great fights mono amano.
Dalton was like, he hit me with the who's a
team that we're not thinking about? They can get back
in the mix. I literally think the only team that
checks that box is the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I was thinking about that they went nuts.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But I'm I want to go I'm a little I'm
a step past that, because I think the American League
is technically wide open slash Houston below the National League.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Powers are there and the non traditional powers like the
Snakes won the NL last year and they've been great
for a while, got Tampa this weekend. San Diego Padres
are starting to fulfill their prophecy, while the Dodgers and
Phillies exist with a fallen warrior of the braves like
still there. You might see Cy Young winner Chris Saale
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in it. So I guess that's where I think the
board is open. That I don't want you to necessarily
live in the end of the edge of the wild card.
Even if I think if someone says, like I like
this big boy over the other big boys right now,
that's that's powerful.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I like that you brought up that last part because
I want to do one from each league. Go I'll
go big boys stuff first. I mean, I don't think
it's outlandish or unfair at all to say that the
Brewers have been the most consistent National League team, which.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Is kind of crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Like, also, all three of those top Dogs, Phillies, Dodgers, Brewers,
they're all twenty games or more above five hundred. They're
all right within each other. Jeff Passen had a good
tweet about how like every top team is on pace
for like ninety five. Yes, like it's the land of
Opportunity this year, which is exciting and nerve wracking because
there's just a ton of teams that are in it
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and have like their own lottery ticket. But like poll
to poll, has there been a bad Brewer stretch? Like,
I feel like they've just been fundamentally sound on defense.
They've I don't know how they've figured out the rotation,
because their rotation going into this year and even right
now does not look like a playoff team right, Like
the four starter is still Joe Ross, which like is
(20:02):
just working no offense to Joe Ross.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Like I'm just saying, you look at you know, the
Phillies rotation, the Dodgers, with everything they've dealt with, I
still think I'd like those names more. But dude, they've
just been getting it done, Like William Doomas is quietly
having you know, one of his best years. I think
their longest losing streak this season is three.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Like, the record for the month of July isn't good,
but their longest.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
They stumbled in. Yeah, they stumbled in and out of
the break, but nobody stretches.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Right. They're eleven and five in August. They're playing good teams.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
They're playing They played the Dodgers, they just played the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
They swept the Braves. So like, right now, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And I do this every fucking year, dude, whoa, they
do it every years.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Go back to swear.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Sorry, go back to my fourth month work at John
Boy Media. On four you called me up on Talking Baseball.
You said, what's who's your World Series pick? And I
picked the Brewers and they won the first game against
the Rais and they got swept. And then last year
on my own channel, I said, the Brewers are gonna
shock everybody. They're gonna go on some crazy run and
they got dumped in the wildcard round by you're fricking snakes.
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And right now I feel it happening to me again.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I like the.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Brewers a lot. I think they're consistent. I think they're
a solid team. I think they're the most like cohesive roster,
and I want to believe it, especially with the new manager,
maybe new juju, But they just break my heart every year.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, I guess I at some point in September, I'm
gonna have to start exploring matchups a little more and
feel right now, the Brewers lefties scare me. Terrang's offensive
numbers have gotten, yeah to a not good place, Yelly
being out for the year.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That hurts that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Their writings are great, and I'm sure they're writings, right,
He's like William Contreras, Willia Domas.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know, it is whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But I do think there's something come the postseason, that
there's something to baseball that hey, if that if that
nasty righty is coming out of your bullpen and he
has a wipeout slider that's been tough for every righty
hitter in baseball history. And yeah, we've all kind of
been a little bit hurt by the Brewers and it
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there's something dirty about it. They trade Corden Burns before
the season, and yet they feel more powerful than they've
ever felt. Yeah, they Yeah, I don't know the comp
for them in the Ale has been the Guardians. Both
teams kind of lack starting pitching. Both teams have amazing bullpens.
I think both teams play. I think the secret is
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both of those organizations can tap into whatever bullpen.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
They really want. Go.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Look who's mowing guys down in the Brewers pen, Hudson,
Hudson and a crazy year, like an all time reliever year,
Jared Kanig. Sure you know the guys that they've tapped
into down there, Nick Meher's trade deadline ad from the Rocks.
They can tap into guys in the bullpen that they
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can almost ensure they'll be solid down there, and they
play great defense. And I think there's something in that
formula that that's gonna win you a chunk of baseball games.
That when you've got the offensive performance that they have
from a few guys William, Willie and Yellie. When he
was out there, Jackson trio like turned it on for
a little bit. Gary another righty, Garry having a nice year. Alrighty,
(23:38):
so alrighty.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Then, So, I don't know I understand it. With the Brewers.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It just has the same sense of Brewers prove it,
which maybe that's rude.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's going to be a testament to how does this
postseason feel in the NL, because every other team is
kind of coming to the party with their battle scars,
Like even if the Braves are the skeleton of themselves,
they're still braves. A lot of them, a lot of
them have bling in their closet. The Dodgers are starting
off with three MVPs and some big salaries. The Phillies
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were literally made to be a postseason team. The Diamondbacks
won the NL last year. The Padres were supposed to
be this team that, like everyone else, is gonna be
shown up to the dance and the stretch limo and
the party hummer and everything else. And the Brewers are
going to pull up in that same like Chevy suburban
and be like, okay, we're here.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's just it's tough for me to buy in for
the postseason because I believe in what they do in
the regular season. And maybe this is really dumb, because
maybe the postseason is a crap shoot. Maybe it's less
of a crap shoot than we think, and maybe the
postseason turns into more Jimmies than Joe's. But then you
could point at the d Backs last year that they
feel like the loophole. Currently, maybe the Brewers are just
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looking for their loophole season and maybe it's this.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Year, and like it's it's so stupid that we're like
because the reason I'm committing them is like they've been consistent, right,
Like not a lot of teams can say that this
year like that they've just been consistent for the entire year.
But that almost like counts against them, wow, in the playoffs,
because like the past two years, even three years, it's
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just been about what team is the hottest at the
end of September going into the playoffs. So if you're
the Brewers, it's not about you know, winning six of
every ten or winning five or every nine. It's about
getting real hot in the last two weeks and just
hoping you can carry that momentum. Or if I'm the Brewers,
it's about not being the third division team, because that's
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kind of what boned them last year. That they have
a chance to be a top two seed, and I
really do think that makes a difference for them, whereas,
like you know, if the Dodgers fall into the three
or the Phillies. Dude, Suddenly they're in dangerous territory because
they're more built for the five game set, the seven
game set, rather than the three I'm said, so that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Dodgers might not be right now. They're entering a weird spot.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
For any true baseball losers out there, high subscribe man.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I click around Baseball Reference a lot. Go look at
the Brewers team page and just look at their top
twenty four players all time.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It pops up with their pictures.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
There's a lot of cats that I am not familiar with,
and just a lot of silly pictures. Gorman Thomas, excuse me,
Gorman Thomas has a picture that's hard if Chris.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Bosio has a little bit of meat on the bone,
and I.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Don't know, for some reason, it looks like Jonathan Lacroix
picture got taken place in nineteen What is that?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Hurts my soul a little bit?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
With that little to give the people, the people a
little scroll of these Brewers beauties middle bottom row for
everyone on the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean maybe maybe Unspoiled or the other teams I
check out, but some of these names, even my guy
Teddy Aguero the fifth most Warren Brewers' history and uh
me and Teddy don't have a relationship yet, but we're
about to.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Kind of looks like fully grown me with no official.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Uh pretty Aguera from Los Mochis, Mexico, and it looks
like he was just an electric factory and then maybe
his arm fell off.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Number eighteen Yovani Guardo there are Oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I mean again, I don't I don't want to be
rude to anyone, because I had a moment on talking
to Yanks last night I'm not proud of. But Gorman
Thomas is the gentleman with the mustache and hair going everywhere,
and then even Chris Bosio next to him, that's one
of those guys. For years, I think, I think baseball,
(28:00):
I think people outside of baseball were rude, the guys
like Chris Bosio who balled out. So I actually wanted
Chris Bosio apology. Oh yeah, from anyone that was rude
to him. Uh okay, So you mentioned NL You want
to believe in the Brewers at.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Least a couple of Big Gorman Thomas yours?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, obviously, is he Nolan Gorman Thomas.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Thomas thirty nine Homers.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What are you seeing in the.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
American Oh, I'm seeing uh, well, you know, talk of
the town is only Astros.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
They're back. Oh and they are like they're going to
be the Ale winner. We all know what was that?
Sorry pause?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
You know what team has not had a losing month
this year? And I never would have guessed it if
you have talked about it on Talking Baseball.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The Detroit Pistons, Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I've kind of just been.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like, there's a Twins discussion, and it stinks.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
They got an ugly, like an ugly start, like they
went seven and thirteen.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't think anybody was writing them off, but it
was sort of like, oh, what's going on? This was
supposed to just kind of be your division that you
run with. I fully think they're going to catch the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I think that, like in.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
The full one sixty two and like we're starting to
see them fade a little bit. I think it's down
to two games now their lead, Yeah, two game lead.
I just believe in Twins town a little bit. And
they're doing this without like a good Papulo Lopez season,
which I think they were fully counting on Joe Ryan's
hurt again and their pitching development is starting to come through,
(29:38):
like their guys had been Bailey Obert and Simeon Woods
richardson the Nightmare. IM really glad the Mets got to
dodge him in that series. I like what they've been doing.
Their Achilles Shill has alway kind of been their bullpen,
it's still kind of true. And then keeping the guys
on the field healthy. They lost Korea, they lost Buxton.
I don't know, man, maybe it's a little bit of
al central itis of like the recent history and also
(30:00):
the fact that I absolutely love Carlos Santana just everything
about him. I love him. I just think they're gonna
creep up and probably swipe the division. And I'm curious
because I want them to. Uh, they got the monkey
off their back last year they won a playoff series.
They want a playoff game, and they were competitive with Houston.
I want them to build off it, and I really
(30:21):
do think they can. But a big part of.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
That is I think stay in a top the Central.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But it is cool that right now we have three
Ales Central teams in the mix, because that has that
ever been the case in the twenty twenties. I don't
think it has. It's a nice change of pace. But
the Twins right now, I got my eye on them.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, there's some Twins that since they got off to
their rough start. So I think it's the end of April.
It's like April twenty second or something. They're on a
hundred win pace.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
That wow, jeez.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So again that's you.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Know, taking out four weeks of the season that they've
been kind of that one hundred win team that doesn't
exist this year. I JOm kind of opened up my
eyes to this stat initially, Uh, the record against teams
over five hundred, it does matter.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Oh yeah, the teams.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
There there, the Twins are twenty nine and thirty seven.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
That's real.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
That's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The other hey, if anyone is looking for something on
the Houston Astros, they still struggle in that department. They're
twenty six and thirty against those teams. Again, I think
there when did their schedule happen is probably more important
at this point. Sure, Houston also a losing record against lefties,
so them and the Yankees have that in common. But
(31:40):
they traded for a lefty starting pitcher at the deadline. God,
you can already see it. Yeah, I I just think
we're at an interesting point where there's about to be
a month of baseball is going to happen. That's going
to dictate a lot of things. It's going to dictate
your playoff rotation. It's going to dictate who kicks to
the bull, it's going to dictate how we're feeling about
(32:02):
a lot of teams. Uh, but no real traditional powers
right now that you hammering the table.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
They are the favorite.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, like Houston, I think they're back to being like
the technical favorite just.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Out of fear.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Really, I mean of the like first place teams. They've
played like the most well for the most.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Long since May first. I think they have the best
record since May eighth. They have the best era and
the best ops. Good combo, yeah, good recipe.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And you know, I don't know if you know this,
but some of their guys have been there before.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
And they've done that.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, Yankees thirteen to nineteen versus left handed starting pitchers.
Sure you won't feel that, Framburing Kakuchi, that's Josh Hader.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
The good news is on the al side, that might
be the one team you're really scared, but we'd be
scared anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Hey, we were gonna feels like we're gonna be scared
of you no matter what.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's You can't hurt us anymore. We're already broke.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
We're not any more scared that you guys have two
lefties and one that's really really killed us.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
It's emotional, it's also uh, the same conversation applies here,
Like any one of those three division leaders could end
up the three seed, Like there's no clear cut. Like,
if Houston keeps on their pace, they're gonna catch up
in no time. I think they're like what three and
a half games back of the other division leaders. They'll
make up that ground in six weeks.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
So like, if they keep going there, and if you
the last thing you want to do is give Houston
to buy on top of everything else of them getting
back into the things, if they also get to buy,
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
They're just the ale favorite at full stop.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, and it's hard to argue against it. Uh, jolly
full disclosure. What do you want a little in a
busy couple days, I'll let you cook on some deadline ads,
whatever you need, whatever you need to let out on
your heart oh, I like that good the.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Good and the bad or the good or the bad.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean it was an eventful deadline, right, like a
lot of trades, a lot of transactions, and we're about
we're about fifteen sixteen games now of sample that we
can really look at and see the impact. I don't know, man,
Like I feel like this is the narrative of like
(34:33):
all these teams are on pace for ninety five wins,
like it's anybody's game. I'll look contributing reason of that
is because no deadline acquisition was a.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Huge splash, like none of them.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Like Zak Efflin, I wanted him.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I wanted him really great.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I wanted him real bad on my mets, especially with
that extra year of control. We'll start there. I think
Zach Eflin is a good starting place. I think that
was one of the better moves made at this year's deadline,
and the Orioles now have him for next year as well.
With their looming rotation questions. He's been big for them,
and the Oriols have been a weird team.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Man.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I constantly joke that whenever the Yankees win, the Oarls win.
Whenever the Yankees lose, you ors lose because it's sort
of a handshake agreement.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Dude. They had like a bad July.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Like they had a really like pretty twelve and thirteen.
I don't think speaks to their performance in July because
they're Bears scraping out wins and they were losing games
they needed to win. That zach Eflin in there as
a stopper for them and just four starts offs has
been absolutely massive. I think that's really changed the outlook
on their season because without zach Eflin, you're really starting
(35:38):
to rely on guys like Albert Suarez.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Who they have leaned on and he's been great, but
you know those.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Those stories that feels differently.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, they have like sort of a magic attachment to
them that could fizzle at any moment. You never you
can't rely on that kind of thing. And then I
think they're really feeling things in the bullpen too. Like
Kimberl I think has been what you'd expect, but not
having Felix Bautista changed everything for them, I think from
the get go. So that acquisition I think is probably
I would say it's like top three right now in
(36:07):
terms of immediate impact, long term impact, and playoff impact
because he's now you're probably your Game two starter. You
get Burns, you get e Flyn, and maybe maybe Swars,
maybe Dean Kramer.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But it look like seventeen in clean.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Put yourself in the scenario where the Orioles finished.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
In second place, Yankees win the division.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yea, they get the buy cool Orioles are in the
wildcard round without Eflyn. It's Burns, Suarez Kramer. Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I mean we're waiting for Gray Rod updates. He's out.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
He's out right now. If you lose Game one with Burns,
the season's over. I don't think that's crazy to say.
With e Flyn, I think you give yourself a pretty
good chance, which is why I.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Really wanted him on my team. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I'm looking across the numbers you mentioned. Kakuchi has been
really good. That was a trade that kind of got
blasted when it happened, and still has the chance to
age poorly. But that guy's been real good since he
got to Houston, and now he got that whole lefty
problem with them. I want to get the strikeout numbers
he he went eleven and eight in his first two starts.
(37:19):
Hasn't been devouring innings. But that's kind of what they needed.
They need premium starting pitching because their whole thing is
the bullpen. Dude, it's supposed to be once you get
to the seventh inning, we win the game. So if
Kakuchi's only going five and two thirds, that's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Fine in the playoffs. So that's incredible in.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
The playoffs, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
You take that every day of the week.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
So those two guys I think have been the big
ticket starters and then dude, like the bats have just
been quiet across the board, Like Jazz was the exciting one.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
But he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I think he's going to come back after the minimum, right,
That's what he said, and I believe him. I think
I believe him. I don't know if I believe the Yankees.
They're weird with injuries, team motto all the time. Outside
of him, you know, where would the Bravest be without
Jorge Soler has been you know, hit mashing the cover
off the ball since coming back. But it's really you know,
(38:12):
the top heavy pitching and a couple of bats and
everything else has been just kind of keeping teams either
where they were or honestly actively hurting teams.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It is neat checking in on these bullpen guys because
I mean they've in fact had more impact. At this point,
you're looking at aj Puck's pitching ten games, Adam and Scott, Adam,
Scott Golf or actor.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
For the Padres.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think they've pitched in a combined like fifteen to sixties.
So it's like that those teams went not it's in
an impact, that's a massive impact. Sir Anthony Dimingez in
the back of the Orioles bullpench true men and then
on again. I don't want to land the ship here,
but the Red Sox added a couple of bullpen guys
that have been having a tough gul.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Luis Garcia has been struggling.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Luis Garcia has felt like a trick of sorts, and
yet just a reminder, Luis Jorge Solaire career nine hundred
ops on the Atlanta Braids, career seven ninety.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Four everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Uh, and dude, good on, he's playing right field for them,
that's actually hurting his war numbers, which I looked and
he was that right field that true is ain't small?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And they were playing the Rockies and I saw him.
That's a massive outfield to cover.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Welcome to Atlanta, you're running pop. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I I mean it's funny because I do think there's
something to that instant impact. Like you talked about the
teams that went on winning streaks, AJ Puck saved their
butt a couple.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Of times, couple games.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
All these bullpen guys that have been contributing in that
matters at the same time. You know, I was laughing today,
I'm talking base Well, if Sir Anthony Domingez blows an
Orioles playoff game like the Dombrowski god, people are gonna
come back out, or vice versa. If Philly has bullpen
struggles and Domingas and Soto are doing something for the Orioles, Uh,
(40:14):
there will be some loud noises from Philly fans for
the first time.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
In a while.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Although they're loud, and Shelfy's pretty loud when he keeps
in he gets loud.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Oh, he's powerful.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I mean, you guys did is a little you know,
peek inside the event, but you guys were doing Harper
versus Trout on stage. That was I saw genuine upset
reactions from Shelfy. He wanted to get involved and he
was just on the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
And I feeling it.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I felt the passion coming from him.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Chris's kind of dunked on me in that segment. People
aren't talking about that in that.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Rose he can sneaky do that sometimes, like he'll play
both sides, but then all of a sudden he'll just
swerve on you.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
The question was bigger impact on the game, I think
it was Trout Harper. I was the only troutest up there.
I agreed with you, and then yeah, the Harper boys,
John trev and then Chris Rose at the end went
with the dunk of like, you know, he's got hair
and he plays well. I thought about chiming in with
one more piece of information that I felt get left out.
(41:19):
From twenty twelve to twenty twenty one, if you asked
a baseball person, hey, who's the best player in the game,
you would have said.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
You were allowed to say someone else.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, for a decade that was the answer. So yeah,
I mean what Harper's doing is Philly is great. It's electric.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I love Harper.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I've said many times I wish the Yankees brought in
Bryce Harper because they need a little Bryce Harper impact
on the overall game.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I see why.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's a fun question, and the.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Kids are kind of conversation and swag and Trout has
missed a lot in the last couple of years. But
there was also a decade before that where one of
the most asked questions in baseball was answered with one name. Yeah,
so I don't know. I thought about that all weekend.
Chris Rose, Jolly, I actually I kind of have to
(42:06):
roll told Jess I would be home after days of
working the weekend for some not us. Thank you for
hopping on slightly impromptu any teasers? What's coming, Jolly?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Video?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Nothing concrete, which is weird for me on a Monday. Appecially,
the script is done.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Usually by this point you've you've got what the video
will do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I've done a little bit of notes here and there,
but not I mean, you know, Saturday there will be
an upload, so.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Look forward to that.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Martinez.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
That's a layup, Jake and on hit laps, I take
mid range twos.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Deep twos.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Joe Johnson, everyone, baby, everyone go check out jam Baseball
his channel anywhere the john Boy media is sold. Hey,
I think your rival should be here. On Wednesday, foolish baseball.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Why he is coming up?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
We'll see not here, No, physically.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
In the spirit, okay, thieves tell him about Uncle Dan.
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