August 27, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan wonders what the plan is in New England with quarterback competition between Drake Maye and Jacoby Brissett. How long will the Chiefs' dominance last? And, former NFL quarterback Jordan Palmer stops by to discuss what QBs go through to get ready for the season.
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Then on Friday live from Brazil the Packers and Eagles
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We'll get to your phone calls coming up. We're still
waiting to find out if the Steelers, when they officially
will announce Russell Wilson will be the starting quarterback. I
agree with Dan Orlovsky. Orlovsky said on ESPN yesterday that
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he didn't think that this was actually a quarterback competition.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I don't think it was, and if.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Maybe it was, I'll leave the door open a little
bit for Justin Fields. Let me see if he can
blow us away. And then he had the game where
he had a couple of fumbles and maybe he actually
fumbled away the opportunity. I think it's Russell Wilson to start,
and it'll be Justin Fields to come in in relief.
I think that's what they're going to do. Now, the
question is what did the Patriots do? Here is Gerrod Mao,
(01:55):
the rookie head coach for the Patriots on WEEI in Boston.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's a true competition, and I would say at this
current point, Drake has outplayed Jacoby. Now I'm saying that
we have to take in the full body of work,
you know, going all the way back to the spring,
in the beginning of training camp, and we'll see where
we end up. But those are the conversations that will
happen here over the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, Drake May has out played Jacoby Brissette. Jacoby got
banged up early in the game of Sunday Night. I
don't know if you're going to put Drake May in there,
even if he has beaten out Jacoby Brissett. I think
you got to look longer term and a bigger picture here.
Is Drake May the future, you hope. Jacoby Brissette is
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a band aid. He's a bridge quarterback. He's always been that.
But do we start with him, which it feels like
they might, and then you eventually we'll get to Drake May. Look,
the Patriots aren't fooling anybody this year. They're not a
playoff team, and I think you have to approach it
that way. This is a learning process here. Let's wait
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a little bit then we can put in Drake May.
You're not gonna, you know, win ten games this year.
You know, if you win five, win six. Okay, be competitive.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Are you in every game that you play? Like, those
are the goals that you want to have. Some of
these teams you realize, like Carolina, be competitive, be in
the games. See if you've got a guy or guys
who are playmakers here, difference makers and that you can
build around. See if you got a quarterback in Bryce
Young that you go, Okay, that is our future. He
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better be your future. But I think those are the goals.
You know, Chiefs are trying to three peat, the Bengals
are trying to recover from a last place finish. Like
your goals are a little bit different depending on your
success the previous year. The Niners, it's to win the
Super Bowl, the Lions to get to a Super Bowl,
Chiefs to three p the Chargers to be formidable and
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be kind of reminiscent of the Michigan Wolverines this past
season where they played great defense, they ran the ball,
and you had a quarterback who could come up with
a couple of big plays. Like you can sort of
see how this is all playing out. Denver, what's Denver's
goal this year? To be competitive, find your quarterback, and
then maybe you get six seven wins, eight wins maybe
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surprise some people, but you want to make sure that
you are in games that you're not getting outmanned, you're
getting blown out. So we'll talk some football coming up
here in a little bit whole question for the final hour,
do we have a new pole question?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Let's see right now we've got up there.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
We just put up for hour two.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Actually towards the end of that.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
If you were betting the Chiefs or the field right now,
with seventy seven percent of the vote, people going with
the field.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Okay, that's the smart that'd be the betting choice. But
I look at the Chiefs. I have fewer questions about them.
Are the Lions still on the ascent? Are they still
moving up? Can the Niners then get there and then
win when they get there? You know that these windows
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of opportunity they close quickly, they do. I go back
to the Chicago White Sox one ninety three games three
years ago. They've lost one hundred They've lost one hundred games.
It's that quick, and that's where you have the opportunity,
seize the opportunity and then hopefully you can capitalize.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, that's why it's so weird, Like these windows close
so fast, but then you end up having a certain
amount of longevity with you know, Patrick Mahomes. Is that
their sixth year now, fifth year.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That he's been there, he's been their quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, this is uh, this is year as if
they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I'm saying, oh, this.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Is as seventh year as the starter.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
That's a pretty strong window though. That's that's rare, rare, rare, rare.
I mean, considering very rare.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That's that's in the you know, the unpercentile of we
have an unbelievable run, you know, like the Steelers with
Ben Roethlisberger, that was a great run. Unbelievable, maybe an
underrated run. Just to be that competitive for that long, Yeah,
it's hard because your schedule, if you finish in first,
you get a tougher schedule, Teams get better with draft choices.
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You know, just trying to be to maintain really is
what the goal is. And that's why the Patriots were
so fascinating because they maintained while it was their defense
when they first started the dynasty, and then they tried
a big explosive offense and then they came back, you
know to Tom Brady, dink and dunk type thing, and
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you know, some pretty good defensive back. Like it's just
being able to figure out what can we do now?
Not this is formulaic. This is the way we do
it every single year. This is how we play football.
And Belichick was never like that. He always was able
to adapt. Yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Patrick Mahomes might end up being in the Michael Jordan
category only because of the guys that he stopped from
winning super Bowls. So if we say in twenty years,
Josh Allen does have a super Bowl, Joe Burrow doesn't
have a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson doesn't have a super
Bowl because they were just playing at the same time
as Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And his is a tighter window than Brady's because Brady
had that brief window and then that was wide open
for almost a decade where there's nothing, and then all
of a sudden he had the back end where he
was winning again. Mahomes has been you know, this is
year and and year out, and they could have easily
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beaten New England in that game in Kansas City. So
that's an impressive run. And you've done it with a
variety of offensive and defensive weapons as well. I mean
the constant has been your coach, your quarterback, your tight end,
and you can throw in Chris Jones as well. But
to be able to have I mean, you need a
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core and it starts with coach and then you have
your quarterback. If you can find those two, now you've
got a head start on a good portion of the league.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, Todd, we know what it says.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
About the Chiefs, but what does it say about the
other teams of the division and the rest of the
AFC as far as the front officers to see a
team go on such a run and there's just nothing
they can do about it. With all the picks and
all the different things that they hold themselves in high
regard with knowing football, how do you let one team
dominate where the Bronco was lost to the Chiefs like
seventeen eighteen times in a row.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, you have to have an aptitude on one end
and then you have to have greatness on the other end.
I mean the Buccaneers did it. I mean they just
turned it around one year with Tom. But you know,
it's it's tough. It's tough to win consistently in the NFL,
and even when you have draft picks. How many times
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do you see a team and they're like Hallie, they
got like seventeen draft picks. It doesn't mean they're any
good at drafting. Baltimore was always great and they were
drafting at the end of the end of the round.
They always somehow found players that fit their system, and
then when they had a higher draft pick, they didn't
miss for a good portion of Ozzie Newsom. Is Ozzie
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in the Hall of Fame? Did he go in as
a GM or I don't know? Is that GMN player?
But for some reason I thought Ozzie Newsom was Has
he been up for the Hall of Fame? If not,
I'm nominating him for the Hall of Fame because if
you factor in what you do as a GM, he
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was great. How many gms are in the Hall of
Fame in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Is Jerry Jones going to be in the Hall of
Fame for a GM as great as he was telling us,
you know he's been ninety nine Arry Okay, Well, then
he got in as a as a tight end, not
as a GM. I'm going to guess they didn't. They
didn't factor that in contributions to the game. Couple of
phone calls here, by the way, Aaron, Judge didn't Homer.
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That's when you know you've gotten to a certain level
where we're asking, oh Yankees one, Aaron, Judge Homer, and
sometimes it won't even be in that order, be Judge Homer, Nope,
or did Otani Homer? Or did he have a stolen base?
Because as he gets closer to maybe forty five forty
five Mitchell in California, Hey Mitch, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 9 (10:29):
First time caller five Ron Wolf former Breenbay Packers GM,
by the way, is in the Hall of Fame. Shout
out to Marvin team small hands. Shout out to Pritzy,
keep making them hits. Ro I got a pie to
the faith offer for Dan and the Danettes of a
potential Super Bowl matchup Kansas City Chiefs versus Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Who what's a piece of the pie?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, that's not a stratgy, that's that's not going on
on a limb. Go back to Super Bowl one between
those two. Yeah, Ron Wolf was great. I don't know,
does anybody want a piece of that that? Green Bay
versus Kansas City Chiefs you guys get the field.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You're gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, all right, you gotta bet Paulie'll take you up
on that that you have Kansas City in Green Bay,
Paulie has everybody else.
Speaker 10 (11:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Dave in Pennsylvania, Hi, Dave, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
By Dan?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
It's Day's five day two? I called yesterday. Yeah, going
to a Springsteen concert and my grandson being born. And
I find it funny that immediately a guy who can't
rhyme pork starts pounding on Springsteen lyrics.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Okay, how mad did it make you?
Speaker 11 (11:52):
Dave?
Speaker 8 (11:55):
My heart is pounding out of my chest right now.
Maybe it's because of the nerves. Maybe it's because of
for two. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I keep telling Fritzy like, what does he have
it again? Have against Bruce Springsteen?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Inability to rhyme had to do it. There was a
two totally different thing, Dave.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
I would think, Fritty, but from a guy who's at
the Hall of Oaks fan might not understand that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, there's shots being fired here.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Hall of Oats are legends. I wish they still were buddies,
but I guess they don't talk to each other anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, all you have to do is sing together. You
don't have to like each other. There are a lot
of bands that didn't like each other.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Wouldn't going, they won't go on shows together, they won't
do anything.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Bruce and the E Street Band still together.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You're angry that he does three to four hour concerts.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Not angry, it's just the people that like that.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
I guess, like I saw him seven hundred and ninety
three times and it was amazing. He's sixty seventy years
old and he does flips and it's and whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It is a long show.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It is definitely is sitting there and you're like, good god,
he's still going.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It's crazy.
Speaker 12 (13:03):
It's a choice though, it's not like a mandatory.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You don't have to stay, you don't have to go.
And in general, h.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But you don't make fun of all the people who
went to Billy Joel concerts at Madison Square Gardens.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I'm very selective your phony.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You're very phony like that. Mellow and Dallas I Mellow,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (13:25):
VP?
Speaker 13 (13:25):
Taking time?
Speaker 10 (13:26):
Long time? Man five ten A hard two thirty hard?
Uh just want to say, uh, second back row shout
out to the front row, but I really love you guys.
Back row only shout out to the front row because
Marvels a Yukon fan. Two things, Uh, We're not gonna
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the Cowboys. I'm a Cowboys fan. They're not gonna win
a championships, Jerry sixtys. But down, I'm gonna keep it
family show. I know it's a family show. But I
think we got promise because we've had some good drafts
since Steve kind of has been in the picture, you know,
with maybe Zach Martin, Tyron Smith and the big three
that we need to sign this year. And then the
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last things, I'm gonna take the field against the Chiefs
on the pole only because then it's so hard, like
you said earlier, the three peat, and then a quick
question maybe could be a stat of the day. I
know teams that's two peated lost.
Speaker 13 (14:26):
And then won the next year after, like the Cowboys,
the Patriots and maybe the forty ninety and people like that.
But the only team that I can really think of
that three peterd is the Packers, and they won against us,
you know, and I think that's why the Lombardi trope
is named after him when he won against US in
the Ice Bowl.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Love you guys, all right, thank you, mel, thank you.
I don't know if we give credit to the teams.
The two peat, it's not enough. So much better than repeat,
way better we two peatd Yeah, well, and city may
three peat currently two con Yeah, yeah, it's not three con.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Not yet. No, it'll be okay early April. It'll be
deaf con ye, come on.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, So you could have a three peat in college basketball,
three peat in w n B, a three peat in
the NFL, and any other three Peters Rangers only one one?
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah, they're not dynasties are a diamond dozen. These days,
you gotta win like four.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Or five streets.
Speaker 14 (15:32):
All right?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Auto in Atlanta? Hi, Auto, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (15:41):
How you guys doing. I just wanted to call in.
I know this left football talk. So my name was
Otto and my last name was Graham. So I was
named after the Hall of Fame quarterback Auto Ground, but
I did not know that until I was in the
third grade, until my teacher told me I was named
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I'm a junior. I was named after my dad. But
nobody in that family calls us Ano. It's Tony. That's
my middle name is d Antonio. So I'm in third
grade and he's taken role. He's like, Auto Graham, do
you know who you're named after? And I'm like, uh,
my dad, he said no, he said no, Auto Graham
Hall wants quarterback to play. I'm like, please stop saying
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Otto because this is a weird name and people are
already teasing me. Please stop saying my real name. No
one knows this information. And the reason why he knew
that he was a He's from Ohio. So he was
a big Cleveland Browns guy and he had a shrine
of Johnny Bench. He was a big Reds fan. He
had the big shrine of Johnny Bench in the back
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of the classroom of him, of pictures and baseballs and stuff,
the autographed. So yeah, I found out I was named
after Hall of Fame quarterback when I was eight years old.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
But you called in and told Tyler that your name
was Auto from Atlanta. But then you don't want to
be known as Auto.
Speaker 11 (17:02):
At that time.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh, you're okay with it now?
Speaker 11 (17:05):
Yeah, I'm okay with it now. In third grade, man,
oh no, if you had a weird name, like in
the nineties, oh man, I was getting killed. I was
a I had red hair and fred.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh thank you Auto.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I think if I was in third grade or second
grade and my name was Auto, I would spell it
A U T O.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I got.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I'm not going to go O T t O. I'm like,
I'm Auto. That's short for auto matic Yes, Mark, yes,
so to.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
I know we've made fun of my names. I'm the
last person I should talk about it. But if you
could spell the same way going forward and backwards. Something
weird about the neck.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And that is called ah.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
I know there's a word for it.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
I can't think of it.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
He's it a pal for.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, And there you go, Todd. I like that graduate
second in your class of six hundred.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
I'm gonna make a note of that.
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Speaker 8 (18:51):
Yee.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant to NFL college quarterbacks, founder
of Threat Performance, former NFL quarterback, and the brother of
Carson Palmer. I'm looking at some of your clients here, Jordan,
and you have trained Josh Allen, You've trained Joe Burrow,
Trevor Lawrence, also Jordan Love. You also have had some
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training with some in some capacity with Caleb Williams, Jared Goff,
Patrick Mahomes, and Bo Nicks. All right, that's pretty impressive resume.
If you were going to single out a common reality
or a DNA characteristic out of these quarterbacks who are
really really good. Is there one thing that all of
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those quarterbacks have.
Speaker 17 (19:42):
Yeah, and to be honest, and it's if I threw
that question to you people that are media moguls, not analysts,
and people who have jobs, but people like you who
changed the industry and been iconic, I bet it's the
same thing. It's confidence, and it's unwavering self generated confidence
of belief that is independent of the environment. It doesn't
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matter if everybody says you're a bump, it doesn't matter
if everybody's.
Speaker 16 (20:05):
Waiting for you to fail. Their opinions are completely irrelevant.
Speaker 17 (20:08):
And so if you look at that list, there's some
six five guys, there's some really athletic guys, there's some
six one guys, there's some not that athletic guys. So
it can't be physical traits, right, And it can't be
where they're from. It can't be their ethnicity. There's too
many examples across the board. So I would say it's
it's unwavering self generated confidence.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Okay, But can you have too much confidence to your detriment?
Speaker 16 (20:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 17 (20:34):
I think people ask me where's the line between confidence
and cocky? And I actually think cockiness isn't past confidence.
It's its other, it's its own thing over here, and
it's actually insecurity. And so when guys are overly and
I played with some diva wide receivers, and this is.
Speaker 16 (20:53):
A common conversation with an NFL quarterback circles.
Speaker 17 (20:56):
Where the really really cocky guys, it's actually rooted and insecure,
and it's like it's the opposite of confidence. Now, people
can mischaracterize confidence. So for example, if if somebody thinks
that Joe Burrows cocky, then I think that's a misinterpretation
of his confidence. And that's up to people's subjective opinions.
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But but with the with the great quarterbacks, and I've
been around some of the greats and other sports too,
the Kelly Slaters and and uh and the Tony Hawks
and some of the even just other sports, uh, some
of the top golfers in the world, UH. And my
findings are that confidence is usually the common denominator in
the great ones there too.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Okay, but why can't I use that for wide receivers.
Why are they insecure whereas a quarterback isn't if they're
both sharing the same cocky trait.
Speaker 16 (21:48):
Well, I think I don't.
Speaker 17 (21:50):
I don't know that I would put some of these
deeper wide receivers and some of these quarterbacks in the
same category. I think what you do at wide receiver
and other positions is is so much more off of
your athleticism and your athletic ability, which is why wide
receivers have wide receivers who are great have a shorter window.
Typically running backs have a shorter window. It's not just
the wear and tear, it's the reliance on their physical traits.
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Whereas a quarterback can get older, those physical traits can diminish,
and then they can offset those deficiencies with the capability.
So a Drew Brees can age and get slower, but
be more clutch and be a better leader and be
more decisive in situation. So I think you can offset
as the physical traits diminish over time. I think you
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can offset that with other capabilities. Whereas a white out,
if you get slower but smarter, I don't know that
you can still play at the same level.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
How does a quarterback improve his arm strength once he
gets to the NFL as opposed to high school college?
Speaker 17 (22:53):
Yeah, I think the way I would answer that is
how would they improve arm strength? And I think it's
the same answer for how would they improve accuracy? Look,
your throwing motion. Let's say that you're you know, I
work with a kid who's fourteen, and let's say that
it's guaranteed that he's going to be playing ten.
Speaker 16 (23:09):
Years in the NFL.
Speaker 17 (23:10):
Let's just say that's the thing, right, His throwing motion
is going to evolve. And so there's a long list
of examples. But pull up a clip of Aaron Rodgers
throwing a cal pull up a clip of Aaron Rodgers throwing.
Speaker 16 (23:20):
In the last decade.
Speaker 17 (23:22):
Those are two different people, right, And so it's an evolution,
and a lot of people come to a lot of
quarterbacks come to people like me to fix their mechanics
when I just don't see it that way. I see
that your mechanics need to evolve. So specifically, one, how
they used the ground? And I'll just answer this like
I get a lot of new college and NFL clients
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every year. What do they come to me for and
what do I spend time with them on? The first
is how they use the ground? And that sounds kind
of silly to a fan, But if you're not actually
putting force in the ground the most effective and the
most efficient way, then there's an opportunity to improve right there,
How you transfer that force your stride, how you get
into your front side, when your left hip opens, how
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it comes to a collision and stops, pulls your right
hip through.
Speaker 16 (24:06):
So that's the biomechanics side of it.
Speaker 17 (24:08):
Velocity can increase there strengthening different parts of their body,
not their pecks and their biceps, but they're obliques. This
throwing slink from their right shoulder to their left hip.
Kid getting that part of their body connected. And then
right now this time of year, you know, we're going
around doing training camp visits with guys who have a
you know, biceps tendinitis, tricep tendinitis, their elbows bugging them
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a little bit, the back of their shoulders, bugging them
a little bit. And so now it's kind of, uh,
you know, revising some of the things that we've worked
on and diving a little bit deeper and getting them
to just use their body more.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So.
Speaker 16 (24:42):
The idea is that they don't use their own so much.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant NFL and College Quarterbacks launched
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key starting at quarterback. Tom Brady came out recently and said,
oh my god, you know, this is a tragedy that
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we're starting these rookie quarterbacks. I disagreed with Tom. I
think that they're learning more, they're learning quicker. They're also
older when they get to the NFL as well. Your
thoughts what Tom had to say, And is it a
tragedy that we're dumbing things down so these quarterbacks can play?
Speaker 17 (25:27):
Yeah, I don't see it as a tragedy at all.
I agree with you. Look, the tigns have changed, you know,
I know, I know you're you're close with my brother,
and you guys are big fans of each other. And
you know, the guy's the number one pick in the
draft and didn't play snap his rookie year and he
was a healthy scrap because they basically.
Speaker 16 (25:41):
Want to redshirt him.
Speaker 17 (25:44):
And nowadays, you know, if you don't start as a
rookie after being drafted high, it's because of a very
specific situation or because you're literally not ready, and teams
aren't drafting guys that aren't ready. And so I look
at it like this that the position has evolved so much,
and a lot of this goes back to like seven
on seven when they're kids. So and I'm not the
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only person to be talking about this, but there's so
many reps. They've thrown so many back shoulder fades by
the time they step foot on college campus, and they've
seen the same so many coverages so many times by
the time they step foot on a college campus. And
colleges are running more sophisticated offenses than they used to,
even though it looks like spread and they may look
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to the sideline and there's pictures and whatever. They're running sophistically.
They're asking a lot of the quarterback in college. And
I was at a training camp. I was in practice
the other day with a big time college program, sitting
in the quarterback meetings, and I'm continually blown away by
what college offensive coordinators are asking their quarterbacks to do.
And so that just makes sport for a more seamless
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transition into the NFL. And I don't know if you
saw this, but Joe Burrow had a quote somebody asked
him years ago, and I've heard him say it in
private conversations too. How much is the jump from the
SEC to the NFL. What are all the things that
are harder? In any He's not trying to be cool,
he's just I don't think the guy, the guy's incapable
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of bsing, and so he just honestly is like, I
don't think it's harder, And because on offense we have
more answers and we can be more in attack mode,
we can have more adjustments and audibles and all these
different things to attack those defenses. And so I just
don't think the jump from college to pro is what
it used to be, even though the NFL game continues
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to progress.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And we'd love to say this guy is the next guy.
Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes. And I always
say there's not another Patrick Mahomes. It'll be somebody who
is different than Patrick. And you know, there's no next
Larry Bird, there's no next Magic. You know, we keep
waiting for that, but we're not being fair to the
person that we're watching and that they can be their
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own person. Although Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes, we hear
the similar play breaks down, they improvise, they're very similar.
Give me the similarities between those two and what you've
seen since you've been with both of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 17 (28:11):
Well, I think any fan who watches college your pro
can probably would it would probably answer it the same
way I would. You would name the same things, right,
their mobility, that their improcator, improvisation, those things. But I've
got some things that I think Caleb is way ahead
of Paddle and I don't even know that these are arguable.
When pat entered the NFL, he never played in a
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big game. Did you ever watch sex Steck?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
But I watched them play against Oklahoma State one time
at least, and I was waiting.
Speaker 16 (28:42):
On the plane. Yeah, because in between rights, But you
weren't like, hey, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
In Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (28:49):
And they never played the Big Twelve Championship.
Speaker 17 (28:51):
They never because the defense was terrible and whatever all
the reasons were for Texas, tex So he never played
on a massive stage.
Speaker 16 (28:57):
Caleb Williams has.
Speaker 17 (28:58):
Played on a lot, including his first game ever coming
off the bench for Spencer Rattler in the Red River
shootout that we all remember of a historic comeback and
all these unbelievable. So, if I were to list going
into the NFL, though, if I were to rank who's
played in more big games? It's zero two a ton
whatever that is, Okay. The second is is Pat I
don't think And I'm one of the few people that
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watched all of Patrick's games in college.
Speaker 16 (29:22):
I even went to a couple.
Speaker 17 (29:23):
And so when you talk about entering the league, who
has played more big games is not and close. And
then second is you know who's handled the pressures and
all the stuff that comes with being a franchise quarterback. Well,
Pat wasn't that until his second year in the league,
which means he never really dealt with all that pressure
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and stuff really till his third.
Speaker 16 (29:45):
Year in the league.
Speaker 17 (29:46):
Caleb was the number one recruit in the country and
everybody was saying, including myself, this is the best high
school kid I've ever seen. And if you remember when
Trevor Lawrence was drafted, Adidas's campaign was number one since
day one and it was very fitting, a great, great line.
It's the same thing for Caleb. He was the Elleit
eleven MVP. I met him as a sophomore in high school.
I said, it's the best kid I've ever seen. Right, So,
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going through high school, then going into college as a
true freshman, and then having that second half of his
true freshman year that he had then transferring being the
face of like the new thing called the Portal. The
portal didn't Caleb didn't create the portal, but he was
the first blockbuster.
Speaker 16 (30:22):
Move right, And so he's the face of college football.
Speaker 17 (30:25):
Then he wins a Heisman, so then he's got the
whole off season this last year and he's in LA.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Pat was in love it.
Speaker 17 (30:32):
So it's like the exposure to what it takes to
be a franchise quarterback, I would say, also not even close.
And then on the physical traits, I don't think it's arguable.
I think Caleb is faster than Path. I think he
gets the full speed faster, and I think his full
speed is faster. And so I'm not saying he's.
Speaker 16 (30:48):
Going to be better.
Speaker 17 (30:48):
I'm just saying there are a couple of traits here
where I don't think you can argue Caleb is more
set up for success entering the NFL than Patles.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, that's good stuff. Talking to Jordan Palmer, former NFL quarterback,
we were asking this today. If you could have CD
Lamb or Michaeh. Parsons to start your team.
Speaker 17 (31:09):
Ooh, I would want to know what CD's like to
work with, because superstar talented dude who's bought in and
does all the right things is different than superstar talented dude.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Who he caught one hundred and thirty five balls. Jordan.
I got to start there. I got to start there.
Speaker 17 (31:28):
But if the part time job is making sure that
you show up and do the right things, it's there
are guys who would say it's not worth it. Now
from what I hear, CD is a great dude, So
I'm a quarterback. I would take CD, and I would
I would build an offense around him. The only reason
I would go Micah, though, is because I don't think
having a superstar x is the only way to have
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a prolific offense. I do think that you can have
a cast of four to five guys that play roles
and if you have an offensive coordinator. Look at San Francisco, right, Yeah,
Brandon Au, who you know wants more money and all
that stuff. Well, it's hard to pay Brandon you when
your offense isn't designed to have a true number one
and build off of them. And I played with Shadow Josinko,
so I'm aware of have your superstar XU commands double
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coverage at all times, and then build the rest of
your offense around him.
Speaker 16 (32:15):
But I have a lot of clients that have a
lot of.
Speaker 17 (32:17):
Different ways of doing this, and so my argument for
CD is, Yeah, he might be the guy I pick
if I was building it around a white out, but
my argument against it would be more about what I
rather have somebody that's going to get off the field
on third down and build an offensive role players.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, I know you didn't work out Dak Prescott. Tell
me exactly what you see when you see him, because
he's going to get sixty million dollars here pretty soon.
Speaker 16 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (32:44):
I think that he's He's the right place, the right
time for the way his career's gone. And it's so
hard because it's the Cowboys. They're so polarizing. It's so
hard to figure out. Is Dak why they're not making
it further in the playoffs and warness or is it
other other being Jerry, other being personnel? All that right,
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because he had such a hot start to his college career.
Speaker 16 (33:08):
He's been so consistent.
Speaker 17 (33:10):
I think he's only had really one injury when he
busted his ankle really bad. So it's not like he's
you know, in and out of the lineup all the time.
And then I've heard other people like Colin Covered make
this point, and I thought it was a good point
that not every quarterback can have that star on their helmet.
Being the Cowboys quarterbacks like being a Laker, it's being
a Yankee, it's and he's handled I think that as
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well as you can handle that, the media, the scrutiny,
the ups, the downs, all that, and so I think
there's so many things that he's done that not all
the other good quarterbacks can do in this NFL. Doing
that in Dallas. But I just think it's hard to
pay somebody a max contract, even though we've seen it
time and time again. Right with these with these last
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couple of quarterbacks getting paid, somebody hasn't proven that they're
the reason that we're good, and they're definitely not the
reason we're not getting further.
Speaker 16 (34:01):
Right, So Joe Burrow, for example, sign a big deal.
He's clearly the reason that the Bengals are a bit,
a big reason that the Bengals are in contention. And
when he's out or when he's not, before he was there,
it's clear that without him they're not and so I
just think with Dallas because they have other stars too.
That's the only part where I go.
Speaker 17 (34:20):
Jury's out and I don't know, and it would be
hard for me to make some somebody in that position
the highest paid player in the league.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Great stuff, as always, Jordan, we appreciate your time. We
wish you well with Thread Performance. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 16 (34:33):
Yeah, thanks man.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's a Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant to NFL and college
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Stay in sports History. Have that for you as well.
Kyle in Ohio, Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Six Just a quick question.
Speaker 14 (35:21):
I called last week. I wanted to try to sit
this in and I was regretting I didn't get it in.
This A quick question for you. Big Ben's Super Bowl
winning throw doesn't seem to get talked about a whole lot.
My opinion, greatest throw in Super Bowl history. Just wanted
to see your thoughts on it. Thanks having the week, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
What's the whole drive? That drive was? It'll it'll stay
with me the rest of my life. And once again,
this Steeler's against the Cardinals and they got a score
touchdown and I'm on the sidelines. I'm handing out the
trophy and it looks like I'm going to hand it
out to the Cardinals. So you got Kurt Warner and
Larry Fitzgerald. Yeah, mister Bidwell, the only you know. So
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I'm taking inventory here, the rolodex of who I'm going
to be interviewing, and I'm on the sidelines. Steelers get
the ball, i think at their twenty yard line and
I'm standing there watching the drive because once it's over,
then the game is probably going to be over and
I'll be there on the podium not far from the
end zone. Steve Young is there, the Hall of Fame quarterback,
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and all of a sudden, I'm like, why don't you
live for this? And he goes, this is he was
a fan, but he was also a former quarterback in
that moment and everything that Ben was doing during that drive,
he was doing play by play for me, and it
was just one of those moments where I'm like, got
am I lucky? I got Steve Young telling me what
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is happening and how impressive it is. And then when
I saw the throw that Ben made, he put it
where only Holmes could get it.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
It was a.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Truly marvelous throw and catch, and I think we may
focus on the catch a little bit more. There was
a great photo and Sports Illustrated and but that throw,
no one could have gotten it but Holmes, and I
thought Ben should have been the MVP just because of that.
I thought that that moment right there, he won the
game with the drive. Now, Holmes made a great catch,
(37:24):
but just what Ben did in that moment, you know,
that's what you want, is a quarterback. That's what we
want from our quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Game on the line. You got the ball, what are
you going to do?
Speaker 18 (37:35):
And he did it? And it is underrated. Yeah, Pauling,
I'm watching a clip from right before halftime. Kurt Warner
is about to take them in for a touchdown to
go up four and a half and James Harrison fakes
the blitz and drops back and Warner never saw him.
And Kurt and James Harrison, this play might be almost
underrated in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 12 (37:53):
Yeah, he's running the length of the field. He dodges
some people, Larry Fitzgerald has him and he has to
cut to the side sidelines. His own staffers block his
path to make the tackle to save the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
And they had seen that play before from Kurt Warner.
And that's where you know Harrison did a great job.
Or whatever their game plan was, they knew it was
going to happen where he fell back into coverage and
then made the interception. So you not only prevent them
from scoring, you score as well at the end of
the first half.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yes, morph after Malcolm Butler. Is that the greatest defensive
play in the Super Bowl? Or Mike Jones against the Titans?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well, okay, Jones tackle is at the two, like like Dyson.
We make it seem like he was, you know, inches
from It felt like Jones was in control of the situation.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
But if you watch that play wide check the tight end,
it's such a great play. But Mike Jones just had
the presence of mind. You know what, we got to
look at that play again because that thing is okay,
maybe underrated.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Nobody's better than Malcolm Butler because that won the game.
He won the super Bowl or kept Seattle from winning
the super Bowl. And then you put Harrison on there
because how it's devastating. You're at least going to get
three points, you don't get any and then the Steelers
get seven.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Crazy. What a wild super Bowl and underrated too.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Larry Fitzgerald had the long touchdown reception and I'm thinking
the Cardinals are going to win the super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
How great is this?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And then next thing I know, and that's when I
got up on the podium and we didn't know who
the MVP was. I did not know until I kept yelling.
And it's so chaotic when you're on the podium, it's chaos.
You can't even hear yourself. I got the commissioner next
to me going, are you going to introduce me? You
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so you're going to introduce me and then hand me
the microphone. I'm trying to find out who is the MVP,
and the commissioner wants to know how I'm going to
introduce him? And do I give him the microphone and
I go, yeah, yeah. I didn't say yes, I'm going
to I didn't say anything other than yeah, yeah. And
I kept going, who's the MVP? And then I heard
somebody yell up Holmes and then I went, oh, my god,
(40:10):
he's gonna win. And Ben was up there on the podium,
and I think Ben thought he was going to win
the MVP. I don't know if I ever asked him that,
that'd be kind of odd. Hey, did you think you
were going to be the MVP of the Super Bowl? Um?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
This day in sports history, Paulie, do you have anything
you want to sneak in?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Quick?
Speaker 12 (40:26):
On nineteen twenty one, gentleman named j. E. Clare He
owned the Acme Packing Company. He bought a pro football
team he named him after his workers. They became the
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, let's go around the room. What we learned in
the program?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Todd?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Would you learn today?
Speaker 7 (40:40):
Chris Pratt and Seth Myers, among the celebs, have reached
out to Matthew Berry for fantasy football advice.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I's seed O'Connor, Jordan Palmer's worth with some dudes. Yes
he has. That's a pretty good list there. Marvin would
you learn today.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
It's news what airs judge doesn't hit a home run?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, it's becoming Paulie. Would you learn Palmer loves some
Caleb uh Todd?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
We did earn.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
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to win the Super Bowl yet again?
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We'll get to your phone calls coming up. We're still
waiting to find out if the Steelers, when they officially
will announce Russell Wilson will be the starting quarterback. I
agree with Dan Orlovsky. Orlovsky said on ESPN yesterday that
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he didn't think that this was actually a quarterback competition.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I don't think it was, and if.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Maybe it was, I'll leave the door open a little
bit for Justin Fields. Let me see if he can
blow us away. And then he had the game where
he had a couple of fumbles and maybe he actually
fumbled away the opportunity. I think it's Russell Wilson to start,
and it'll be Justin Fields to come in in relief.
I think that's what they're going to do. Now, the
question is what did the Patriots do? Here is Gerrod Mao,
(01:55):
the rookie head coach for the Patriots on WEEI in Boston.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's a true competition, and I would say at this
current point, Drake has outplayed Jacoby. Now I'm saying that
we have to take in the full body of work,
you know, going all the way back to the spring,
in the beginning of training camp, and we'll see where
we end up. But those are the conversations that will
happen here over the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, Drake May has out played Jacoby Brissette. Jacoby got
banged up early in the game of Sunday Night. I
don't know if you're going to put Drake May in there,
even if he has beaten out Jacoby Brissett. I think
you got to look longer term and a bigger picture here.
Is Drake May the future, you hope. Jacoby Brissette is
(02:41):
a band aid. He's a bridge quarterback. He's always been that.
But do we start with him, which it feels like
they might, and then you eventually we'll get to Drake May. Look,
the Patriots aren't fooling anybody this year. They're not a
playoff team, and I think you have to approach it
that way. This is a learning process here. Let's wait
(03:01):
a little bit then we can put in Drake May.
You're not gonna, you know, win ten games this year.
You know, if you win five, win six. Okay, be competitive.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Are you in every game that you play? Like, those
are the goals that you want to have. Some of
these teams you realize, like Carolina, be competitive, be in
the games. See if you've got a guy or guys
who are playmakers here, difference makers and that you can
build around. See if you got a quarterback in Bryce
Young that you go, Okay, that is our future. He
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better be your future. But I think those are the goals.
You know, Chiefs are trying to three peat, the Bengals
are trying to recover from a last place finish. Like
your goals are a little bit different depending on your
success the previous year. The Niners, it's to win the
Super Bowl, the Lions to get to a Super Bowl,
Chiefs to three p the Chargers to be formidable and
(03:57):
be kind of reminiscent of the Michigan Wolverines this past
season where they played great defense, they ran the ball,
and you had a quarterback who could come up with
a couple of big plays. Like you can sort of
see how this is all playing out. Denver, what's Denver's
goal this year? To be competitive, find your quarterback, and
then maybe you get six seven wins, eight wins maybe
(04:18):
surprise some people, but you want to make sure that
you are in games that you're not getting outmanned, you're
getting blown out. So we'll talk some football coming up
here in a little bit whole question for the final hour,
do we have a new pole question?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Let's see right now we've got up there.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
We just put up for hour two.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Actually towards the end of that.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
If you were betting the Chiefs or the field right now,
with seventy seven percent of the vote, people going with
the field.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Okay, that's the smart that'd be the betting choice. But
I look at the Chiefs. I have fewer questions about them.
Are the Lions still on the ascent? Are they still
moving up? Can the Niners then get there and then
win when they get there? You know that these windows
(05:06):
of opportunity they close quickly, they do. I go back
to the Chicago White Sox one ninety three games three
years ago. They've lost one hundred They've lost one hundred games.
It's that quick, and that's where you have the opportunity,
seize the opportunity and then hopefully you can capitalize.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, that's why it's so weird, Like these windows close
so fast, but then you end up having a certain
amount of longevity with you know, Patrick Mahomes. Is that
their sixth year now, fifth year.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That he's been there, he's been their quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, this is uh, this is year as if
they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I'm saying, oh, this.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Is as seventh year as the starter.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
That's a pretty strong window though. That's that's rare, rare, rare, rare.
I mean, considering very rare.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That's that's in the you know, the unpercentile of we
have an unbelievable run, you know, like the Steelers with
Ben Roethlisberger, that was a great run. Unbelievable, maybe an
underrated run. Just to be that competitive for that long, Yeah,
it's hard because your schedule, if you finish in first,
you get a tougher schedule, Teams get better with draft choices.
(06:21):
You know, just trying to be to maintain really is
what the goal is. And that's why the Patriots were
so fascinating because they maintained while it was their defense
when they first started the dynasty, and then they tried
a big explosive offense and then they came back, you
know to Tom Brady, dink and dunk type thing, and
(06:43):
you know, some pretty good defensive back. Like it's just
being able to figure out what can we do now?
Not this is formulaic. This is the way we do
it every single year. This is how we play football.
And Belichick was never like that. He always was able
to adapt. Yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Patrick Mahomes might end up being in the Michael Jordan
category only because of the guys that he stopped from
winning super Bowls. So if we say in twenty years,
Josh Allen does have a super Bowl, Joe Burrow doesn't
have a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson doesn't have a super
Bowl because they were just playing at the same time
as Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And his is a tighter window than Brady's because Brady
had that brief window and then that was wide open
for almost a decade where there's nothing, and then all
of a sudden he had the back end where he
was winning again. Mahomes has been you know, this is
year and and year out, and they could have easily
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beaten New England in that game in Kansas City. So
that's an impressive run. And you've done it with a
variety of offensive and defensive weapons as well. I mean
the constant has been your coach, your quarterback, your tight end,
and you can throw in Chris Jones as well. But
to be able to have I mean, you need a
(08:00):
core and it starts with coach and then you have
your quarterback. If you can find those two, now you've
got a head start on a good portion of the league.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, Todd, we know what it says.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
About the Chiefs, but what does it say about the
other teams of the division and the rest of the
AFC as far as the front officers to see a
team go on such a run and there's just nothing
they can do about it. With all the picks and
all the different things that they hold themselves in high
regard with knowing football, how do you let one team
dominate where the Bronco was lost to the Chiefs like
seventeen eighteen times in a row.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, you have to have an aptitude on one end
and then you have to have greatness on the other end.
I mean the Buccaneers did it. I mean they just
turned it around one year with Tom. But you know,
it's it's tough. It's tough to win consistently in the NFL,
and even when you have draft picks. How many times
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do you see a team and they're like Hallie, they
got like seventeen draft picks. It doesn't mean they're any
good at drafting. Baltimore was always great and they were
drafting at the end of the end of the round.
They always somehow found players that fit their system, and
then when they had a higher draft pick, they didn't
miss for a good portion of Ozzie Newsom. Is Ozzie
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in the Hall of Fame? Did he go in as
a GM or I don't know? Is that GMN player?
But for some reason I thought Ozzie Newsom was Has
he been up for the Hall of Fame? If not,
I'm nominating him for the Hall of Fame because if
you factor in what you do as a GM, he
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was great. How many gms are in the Hall of
Fame in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Is Jerry Jones going to be in the Hall of
Fame for a GM as great as he was telling us,
you know he's been ninety nine Arry Okay, Well, then
he got in as a as a tight end, not
as a GM. I'm going to guess they didn't. They
didn't factor that in contributions to the game. Couple of
phone calls here, by the way, Aaron, Judge didn't Homer.
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That's when you know you've gotten to a certain level
where we're asking, oh Yankees one, Aaron, Judge Homer, and
sometimes it won't even be in that order, be Judge Homer, Nope,
or did Otani Homer? Or did he have a stolen base?
Because as he gets closer to maybe forty five forty
five Mitchell in California, Hey Mitch, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 9 (10:29):
First time caller five Ron Wolf former Breenbay Packers GM,
by the way, is in the Hall of Fame. Shout
out to Marvin team small hands. Shout out to Pritzy,
keep making them hits. Ro I got a pie to
the faith offer for Dan and the Danettes of a
potential Super Bowl matchup Kansas City Chiefs versus Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Who what's a piece of the pie?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, that's not a stratgy, that's that's not going on
on a limb. Go back to Super Bowl one between
those two. Yeah, Ron Wolf was great. I don't know,
does anybody want a piece of that that? Green Bay
versus Kansas City Chiefs you guys get the field.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You're gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, all right, you gotta bet Paulie'll take you up
on that that you have Kansas City in Green Bay,
Paulie has everybody else.
Speaker 10 (11:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Dave in Pennsylvania, Hi, Dave, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
By Dan?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
It's Day's five day two? I called yesterday. Yeah, going
to a Springsteen concert and my grandson being born. And
I find it funny that immediately a guy who can't
rhyme pork starts pounding on Springsteen lyrics.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Okay, how mad did it make you?
Speaker 11 (11:52):
Dave?
Speaker 8 (11:55):
My heart is pounding out of my chest right now.
Maybe it's because of the nerves. Maybe it's because of
for two. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I keep telling Fritzy like, what does he have
it again? Have against Bruce Springsteen?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Inability to rhyme had to do it. There was a
two totally different thing, Dave.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
I would think, Fritty, but from a guy who's at
the Hall of Oaks fan might not understand that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, there's shots being fired here.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Hall of Oats are legends. I wish they still were buddies,
but I guess they don't talk to each other anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, all you have to do is sing together. You
don't have to like each other. There are a lot
of bands that didn't like each other.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Wouldn't going, they won't go on shows together, they won't
do anything.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Bruce and the E Street Band still together.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You're angry that he does three to four hour concerts.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Not angry, it's just the people that like that.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
I guess, like I saw him seven hundred and ninety
three times and it was amazing. He's sixty seventy years
old and he does flips and it's and whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It is a long show.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It is definitely is sitting there and you're like, good god,
he's still going.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It's crazy.
Speaker 12 (13:03):
It's a choice though, it's not like a mandatory.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You don't have to stay, you don't have to go.
And in general, h.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But you don't make fun of all the people who
went to Billy Joel concerts at Madison Square Gardens.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I'm very selective your phony.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You're very phony like that. Mellow and Dallas I Mellow,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (13:25):
VP?
Speaker 13 (13:25):
Taking time?
Speaker 10 (13:26):
Long time? Man five ten A hard two thirty hard?
Uh just want to say, uh, second back row shout
out to the front row, but I really love you guys.
Back row only shout out to the front row because
Marvels a Yukon fan. Two things, Uh, We're not gonna
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the Cowboys. I'm a Cowboys fan. They're not gonna win
a championships, Jerry sixtys. But down, I'm gonna keep it
family show. I know it's a family show. But I
think we got promise because we've had some good drafts
since Steve kind of has been in the picture, you know,
with maybe Zach Martin, Tyron Smith and the big three
that we need to sign this year. And then the
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last things, I'm gonna take the field against the Chiefs
on the pole only because then it's so hard, like
you said earlier, the three peat, and then a quick
question maybe could be a stat of the day. I
know teams that's two peated lost.
Speaker 13 (14:26):
And then won the next year after, like the Cowboys,
the Patriots and maybe the forty ninety and people like that.
But the only team that I can really think of
that three peterd is the Packers, and they won against us,
you know, and I think that's why the Lombardi trope
is named after him when he won against US in
the Ice Bowl.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Love you guys, all right, thank you, mel, thank you.
I don't know if we give credit to the teams.
The two peat, it's not enough. So much better than repeat,
way better we two peatd Yeah, well, and city may
three peat currently two con Yeah, yeah, it's not three con.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Not yet. No, it'll be okay early April. It'll be
deaf con ye, come on.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, So you could have a three peat in college basketball,
three peat in w n B, a three peat in
the NFL, and any other three Peters Rangers only one one?
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah, they're not dynasties are a diamond dozen. These days,
you gotta win like four.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Or five streets.
Speaker 14 (15:32):
All right?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Auto in Atlanta? Hi, Auto, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (15:41):
How you guys doing. I just wanted to call in.
I know this left football talk. So my name was
Otto and my last name was Graham. So I was
named after the Hall of Fame quarterback Auto Ground, but
I did not know that until I was in the
third grade, until my teacher told me I was named
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I'm a junior. I was named after my dad. But
nobody in that family calls us Ano. It's Tony. That's
my middle name is d Antonio. So I'm in third
grade and he's taken role. He's like, Auto Graham, do
you know who you're named after? And I'm like, uh,
my dad, he said no, he said no, Auto Graham
Hall wants quarterback to play. I'm like, please stop saying
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Otto because this is a weird name and people are
already teasing me. Please stop saying my real name. No
one knows this information. And the reason why he knew
that he was a He's from Ohio. So he was
a big Cleveland Browns guy and he had a shrine
of Johnny Bench. He was a big Reds fan. He
had the big shrine of Johnny Bench in the back
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of the classroom of him, of pictures and baseballs and stuff,
the autographed. So yeah, I found out I was named
after Hall of Fame quarterback when I was eight years old.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
But you called in and told Tyler that your name
was Auto from Atlanta. But then you don't want to
be known as Auto.
Speaker 11 (17:02):
At that time.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh, you're okay with it now?
Speaker 11 (17:05):
Yeah, I'm okay with it now. In third grade, man,
oh no, if you had a weird name, like in
the nineties, oh man, I was getting killed. I was
a I had red hair and fred.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh thank you Auto.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I think if I was in third grade or second
grade and my name was Auto, I would spell it
A U T O.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I got.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I'm not going to go O T t O. I'm like,
I'm Auto. That's short for auto matic Yes, Mark, yes,
so to.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
I know we've made fun of my names. I'm the
last person I should talk about it. But if you
could spell the same way going forward and backwards. Something
weird about the neck.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And that is called ah.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
I know there's a word for it.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
I can't think of it.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
He's it a pal for.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, And there you go, Todd. I like that graduate
second in your class of six hundred.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
I'm gonna make a note of that.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
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Speaker 9 (18:35):
You took those clips totally of context.
Speaker 15 (18:38):
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Speaker 8 (18:51):
Yee.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant to NFL college quarterbacks, founder
of Threat Performance, former NFL quarterback, and the brother of
Carson Palmer. I'm looking at some of your clients here, Jordan,
and you have trained Josh Allen, You've trained Joe Burrow,
Trevor Lawrence, also Jordan Love. You also have had some
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training with some in some capacity with Caleb Williams, Jared Goff,
Patrick Mahomes, and Bo Nicks. All right, that's pretty impressive resume.
If you were going to single out a common reality
or a DNA characteristic out of these quarterbacks who are
really really good. Is there one thing that all of
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those quarterbacks have.
Speaker 17 (19:42):
Yeah, and to be honest, and it's if I threw
that question to you people that are media moguls, not analysts,
and people who have jobs, but people like you who
changed the industry and been iconic, I bet it's the
same thing. It's confidence, and it's unwavering self generated confidence
of belief that is independent of the environment. It doesn't
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matter if everybody says you're a bump, it doesn't matter
if everybody's.
Speaker 16 (20:05):
Waiting for you to fail. Their opinions are completely irrelevant.
Speaker 17 (20:08):
And so if you look at that list, there's some
six five guys, there's some really athletic guys, there's some
six one guys, there's some not that athletic guys. So
it can't be physical traits, right, And it can't be
where they're from. It can't be their ethnicity. There's too
many examples across the board. So I would say it's
it's unwavering self generated confidence.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Okay, But can you have too much confidence to your detriment?
Speaker 16 (20:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 17 (20:34):
I think people ask me where's the line between confidence
and cocky? And I actually think cockiness isn't past confidence.
It's its other, it's its own thing over here, and
it's actually insecurity. And so when guys are overly and
I played with some diva wide receivers, and this is.
Speaker 16 (20:53):
A common conversation with an NFL quarterback circles.
Speaker 17 (20:56):
Where the really really cocky guys, it's actually rooted and insecure,
and it's like it's the opposite of confidence. Now, people
can mischaracterize confidence. So for example, if if somebody thinks
that Joe Burrows cocky, then I think that's a misinterpretation
of his confidence. And that's up to people's subjective opinions.
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But but with the with the great quarterbacks, and I've
been around some of the greats and other sports too,
the Kelly Slaters and and uh and the Tony Hawks
and some of the even just other sports, uh, some
of the top golfers in the world, UH. And my
findings are that confidence is usually the common denominator in
the great ones there too.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Okay, but why can't I use that for wide receivers.
Why are they insecure whereas a quarterback isn't if they're
both sharing the same cocky trait.
Speaker 16 (21:48):
Well, I think I don't.
Speaker 17 (21:50):
I don't know that I would put some of these
deeper wide receivers and some of these quarterbacks in the
same category. I think what you do at wide receiver
and other positions is is so much more off of
your athleticism and your athletic ability, which is why wide
receivers have wide receivers who are great have a shorter window.
Typically running backs have a shorter window. It's not just
the wear and tear, it's the reliance on their physical traits.
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Whereas a quarterback can get older, those physical traits can diminish,
and then they can offset those deficiencies with the capability.
So a Drew Brees can age and get slower, but
be more clutch and be a better leader and be
more decisive in situation. So I think you can offset
as the physical traits diminish over time. I think you
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can offset that with other capabilities. Whereas a white out,
if you get slower but smarter, I don't know that
you can still play at the same level.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
How does a quarterback improve his arm strength once he
gets to the NFL as opposed to high school college?
Speaker 17 (22:53):
Yeah, I think the way I would answer that is
how would they improve arm strength? And I think it's
the same answer for how would they improve accuracy? Look,
your throwing motion. Let's say that you're you know, I
work with a kid who's fourteen, and let's say that
it's guaranteed that he's going to be playing ten.
Speaker 16 (23:09):
Years in the NFL.
Speaker 17 (23:10):
Let's just say that's the thing, right, His throwing motion
is going to evolve. And so there's a long list
of examples. But pull up a clip of Aaron Rodgers
throwing a cal pull up a clip of Aaron Rodgers throwing.
Speaker 16 (23:20):
In the last decade.
Speaker 17 (23:22):
Those are two different people, right, And so it's an evolution,
and a lot of people come to a lot of
quarterbacks come to people like me to fix their mechanics
when I just don't see it that way. I see
that your mechanics need to evolve. So specifically, one, how
they used the ground? And I'll just answer this like
I get a lot of new college and NFL clients
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every year. What do they come to me for and
what do I spend time with them on? The first
is how they use the ground? And that sounds kind
of silly to a fan, But if you're not actually
putting force in the ground the most effective and the
most efficient way, then there's an opportunity to improve right there,
How you transfer that force your stride, how you get
into your front side, when your left hip opens, how
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it comes to a collision and stops, pulls your right
hip through.
Speaker 16 (24:06):
So that's the biomechanics side of it.
Speaker 17 (24:08):
Velocity can increase there strengthening different parts of their body,
not their pecks and their biceps, but they're obliques. This
throwing slink from their right shoulder to their left hip.
Kid getting that part of their body connected. And then
right now this time of year, you know, we're going
around doing training camp visits with guys who have a
you know, biceps tendinitis, tricep tendinitis, their elbows bugging them
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a little bit, the back of their shoulders, bugging them
a little bit. And so now it's kind of, uh,
you know, revising some of the things that we've worked
on and diving a little bit deeper and getting them
to just use their body more.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So.
Speaker 16 (24:42):
The idea is that they don't use their own so much.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant NFL and College Quarterbacks launched
a nutrition company for young athletes with developing bodies called
thread Performance, and three new products there. You can learn
more at thread performance dot com. We may have four
key starting at quarterback. Tom Brady came out recently and said,
oh my god, you know, this is a tragedy that
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we're starting these rookie quarterbacks. I disagreed with Tom. I
think that they're learning more, they're learning quicker. They're also
older when they get to the NFL as well. Your
thoughts what Tom had to say, And is it a
tragedy that we're dumbing things down so these quarterbacks can play?
Speaker 17 (25:27):
Yeah, I don't see it as a tragedy at all.
I agree with you. Look, the tigns have changed, you know,
I know, I know you're you're close with my brother,
and you guys are big fans of each other. And
you know, the guy's the number one pick in the
draft and didn't play snap his rookie year and he
was a healthy scrap because they basically.
Speaker 16 (25:41):
Want to redshirt him.
Speaker 17 (25:44):
And nowadays, you know, if you don't start as a
rookie after being drafted high, it's because of a very
specific situation or because you're literally not ready, and teams
aren't drafting guys that aren't ready. And so I look
at it like this that the position has evolved so much,
and a lot of this goes back to like seven
on seven when they're kids. So and I'm not the
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only person to be talking about this, but there's so
many reps. They've thrown so many back shoulder fades by
the time they step foot on college campus, and they've
seen the same so many coverages so many times by
the time they step foot on a college campus. And
colleges are running more sophisticated offenses than they used to,
even though it looks like spread and they may look
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to the sideline and there's pictures and whatever. They're running sophistically.
They're asking a lot of the quarterback in college. And
I was at a training camp. I was in practice
the other day with a big time college program, sitting
in the quarterback meetings, and I'm continually blown away by
what college offensive coordinators are asking their quarterbacks to do.
And so that just makes sport for a more seamless
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transition into the NFL. And I don't know if you
saw this, but Joe Burrow had a quote somebody asked
him years ago, and I've heard him say it in
private conversations too. How much is the jump from the
SEC to the NFL. What are all the things that
are harder? In any He's not trying to be cool,
he's just I don't think the guy, the guy's incapable
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of bsing, and so he just honestly is like, I
don't think it's harder, And because on offense we have
more answers and we can be more in attack mode,
we can have more adjustments and audibles and all these
different things to attack those defenses. And so I just
don't think the jump from college to pro is what
it used to be, even though the NFL game continues
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to progress.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And we'd love to say this guy is the next guy.
Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes. And I always
say there's not another Patrick Mahomes. It'll be somebody who
is different than Patrick. And you know, there's no next
Larry Bird, there's no next Magic. You know, we keep
waiting for that, but we're not being fair to the
person that we're watching and that they can be their
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own person. Although Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes, we hear
the similar play breaks down, they improvise, they're very similar.
Give me the similarities between those two and what you've
seen since you've been with both of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 17 (28:11):
Well, I think any fan who watches college your pro
can probably would it would probably answer it the same
way I would. You would name the same things, right,
their mobility, that their improcator, improvisation, those things. But I've
got some things that I think Caleb is way ahead
of Paddle and I don't even know that these are arguable.
When pat entered the NFL, he never played in a
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big game. Did you ever watch sex Steck?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
But I watched them play against Oklahoma State one time
at least, and I was waiting.
Speaker 16 (28:42):
On the plane. Yeah, because in between rights, But you
weren't like, hey, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
In Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (28:49):
And they never played the Big Twelve Championship.
Speaker 17 (28:51):
They never because the defense was terrible and whatever all
the reasons were for Texas, tex So he never played
on a massive stage.
Speaker 16 (28:57):
Caleb Williams has.
Speaker 17 (28:58):
Played on a lot, including his first game ever coming
off the bench for Spencer Rattler in the Red River
shootout that we all remember of a historic comeback and
all these unbelievable. So, if I were to list going
into the NFL, though, if I were to rank who's
played in more big games? It's zero two a ton
whatever that is, Okay. The second is is Pat I
don't think And I'm one of the few people that
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watched all of Patrick's games in college.
Speaker 16 (29:22):
I even went to a couple.
Speaker 17 (29:23):
And so when you talk about entering the league, who
has played more big games is not and close. And
then second is you know who's handled the pressures and
all the stuff that comes with being a franchise quarterback. Well,
Pat wasn't that until his second year in the league,
which means he never really dealt with all that pressure
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and stuff really till his third.
Speaker 16 (29:45):
Year in the league.
Speaker 17 (29:46):
Caleb was the number one recruit in the country and
everybody was saying, including myself, this is the best high
school kid I've ever seen. And if you remember when
Trevor Lawrence was drafted, Adidas's campaign was number one since
day one and it was very fitting, a great, great line.
It's the same thing for Caleb. He was the Elleit
eleven MVP. I met him as a sophomore in high school.
I said, it's the best kid I've ever seen. Right, So,
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going through high school, then going into college as a
true freshman, and then having that second half of his
true freshman year that he had then transferring being the
face of like the new thing called the Portal. The
portal didn't Caleb didn't create the portal, but he was
the first blockbuster.
Speaker 16 (30:22):
Move right, And so he's the face of college football.
Speaker 17 (30:25):
Then he wins a Heisman, so then he's got the
whole off season this last year and he's in LA.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Pat was in love it.
Speaker 17 (30:32):
So it's like the exposure to what it takes to
be a franchise quarterback, I would say, also not even close.
And then on the physical traits, I don't think it's arguable.
I think Caleb is faster than Path. I think he
gets the full speed faster, and I think his full
speed is faster. And so I'm not saying he's.
Speaker 16 (30:48):
Going to be better.
Speaker 17 (30:48):
I'm just saying there are a couple of traits here
where I don't think you can argue Caleb is more
set up for success entering the NFL than Patles.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, that's good stuff. Talking to Jordan Palmer, former NFL quarterback,
we were asking this today. If you could have CD
Lamb or Michaeh. Parsons to start your team.
Speaker 17 (31:09):
Ooh, I would want to know what CD's like to
work with, because superstar talented dude who's bought in and
does all the right things is different than superstar talented dude.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Who he caught one hundred and thirty five balls. Jordan.
I got to start there. I got to start there.
Speaker 17 (31:28):
But if the part time job is making sure that
you show up and do the right things, it's there
are guys who would say it's not worth it. Now
from what I hear, CD is a great dude, So
I'm a quarterback. I would take CD, and I would
I would build an offense around him. The only reason
I would go Micah, though, is because I don't think
having a superstar x is the only way to have
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a prolific offense. I do think that you can have
a cast of four to five guys that play roles
and if you have an offensive coordinator. Look at San Francisco, right, Yeah,
Brandon Au, who you know wants more money and all
that stuff. Well, it's hard to pay Brandon you when
your offense isn't designed to have a true number one
and build off of them. And I played with Shadow Josinko,
so I'm aware of have your superstar XU commands double
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coverage at all times, and then build the rest of
your offense around him.
Speaker 16 (32:15):
But I have a lot of clients that have a
lot of.
Speaker 17 (32:17):
Different ways of doing this, and so my argument for
CD is, Yeah, he might be the guy I pick
if I was building it around a white out, but
my argument against it would be more about what I
rather have somebody that's going to get off the field
on third down and build an offensive role players.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, I know you didn't work out Dak Prescott. Tell
me exactly what you see when you see him, because
he's going to get sixty million dollars here pretty soon.
Speaker 16 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (32:44):
I think that he's He's the right place, the right
time for the way his career's gone. And it's so
hard because it's the Cowboys. They're so polarizing. It's so
hard to figure out. Is Dak why they're not making
it further in the playoffs and warness or is it
other other being Jerry, other being personnel? All that right,
(33:05):
because he had such a hot start to his college career.
Speaker 16 (33:08):
He's been so consistent.
Speaker 17 (33:10):
I think he's only had really one injury when he
busted his ankle really bad. So it's not like he's
you know, in and out of the lineup all the time.
And then I've heard other people like Colin Covered make
this point, and I thought it was a good point
that not every quarterback can have that star on their helmet.
Being the Cowboys quarterbacks like being a Laker, it's being
a Yankee, it's and he's handled I think that as
(33:31):
well as you can handle that, the media, the scrutiny,
the ups, the downs, all that, and so I think
there's so many things that he's done that not all
the other good quarterbacks can do in this NFL. Doing
that in Dallas. But I just think it's hard to
pay somebody a max contract, even though we've seen it
time and time again. Right with these with these last
(33:52):
couple of quarterbacks getting paid, somebody hasn't proven that they're
the reason that we're good, and they're definitely not the
reason we're not getting further.
Speaker 16 (34:01):
Right, So Joe Burrow, for example, sign a big deal.
He's clearly the reason that the Bengals are a bit,
a big reason that the Bengals are in contention. And
when he's out or when he's not, before he was there,
it's clear that without him they're not and so I
just think with Dallas because they have other stars too.
That's the only part where I go.
Speaker 17 (34:20):
Jury's out and I don't know, and it would be
hard for me to make some somebody in that position
the highest paid player in the league.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Great stuff, as always, Jordan, we appreciate your time. We
wish you well with Thread Performance. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 16 (34:33):
Yeah, thanks man.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
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Take a break, last call for phone calls, what we
learn once in store tomorrow. Right after this, be sure
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Stay in sports History. Have that for you as well.
Kyle in Ohio, Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Six Just a quick question.
Speaker 14 (35:21):
I called last week. I wanted to try to sit
this in and I was regretting I didn't get it in.
This A quick question for you. Big Ben's Super Bowl
winning throw doesn't seem to get talked about a whole lot.
My opinion, greatest throw in Super Bowl history. Just wanted
to see your thoughts on it. Thanks having the week, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
What's the whole drive? That drive was? It'll it'll stay
with me the rest of my life. And once again,
this Steeler's against the Cardinals and they got a score
touchdown and I'm on the sidelines. I'm handing out the
trophy and it looks like I'm going to hand it
out to the Cardinals. So you got Kurt Warner and
Larry Fitzgerald. Yeah, mister Bidwell, the only you know. So
(36:04):
I'm taking inventory here, the rolodex of who I'm going
to be interviewing, and I'm on the sidelines. Steelers get
the ball, i think at their twenty yard line and
I'm standing there watching the drive because once it's over,
then the game is probably going to be over and
I'll be there on the podium not far from the
end zone. Steve Young is there, the Hall of Fame quarterback,
(36:27):
and all of a sudden, I'm like, why don't you
live for this? And he goes, this is he was
a fan, but he was also a former quarterback in
that moment and everything that Ben was doing during that drive,
he was doing play by play for me, and it
was just one of those moments where I'm like, got
am I lucky? I got Steve Young telling me what
(36:50):
is happening and how impressive it is. And then when
I saw the throw that Ben made, he put it
where only Holmes could get it.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
It was a.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Truly marvelous throw and catch, and I think we may
focus on the catch a little bit more. There was
a great photo and Sports Illustrated and but that throw,
no one could have gotten it but Holmes, and I
thought Ben should have been the MVP just because of that.
I thought that that moment right there, he won the
game with the drive. Now, Holmes made a great catch,
(37:24):
but just what Ben did in that moment, you know,
that's what you want, is a quarterback. That's what we
want from our quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Game on the line. You got the ball, what are
you going to do?
Speaker 18 (37:35):
And he did it? And it is underrated. Yeah, Pauling,
I'm watching a clip from right before halftime. Kurt Warner
is about to take them in for a touchdown to
go up four and a half and James Harrison fakes
the blitz and drops back and Warner never saw him.
And Kurt and James Harrison, this play might be almost
underrated in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 12 (37:53):
Yeah, he's running the length of the field. He dodges
some people, Larry Fitzgerald has him and he has to
cut to the side sidelines. His own staffers block his
path to make the tackle to save the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
And they had seen that play before from Kurt Warner.
And that's where you know Harrison did a great job.
Or whatever their game plan was, they knew it was
going to happen where he fell back into coverage and
then made the interception. So you not only prevent them
from scoring, you score as well at the end of
the first half.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yes, morph after Malcolm Butler. Is that the greatest defensive
play in the Super Bowl? Or Mike Jones against the Titans?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well, okay, Jones tackle is at the two, like like Dyson.
We make it seem like he was, you know, inches
from It felt like Jones was in control of the situation.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
But if you watch that play wide check the tight end,
it's such a great play. But Mike Jones just had
the presence of mind. You know what, we got to
look at that play again because that thing is okay,
maybe underrated.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Nobody's better than Malcolm Butler because that won the game.
He won the super Bowl or kept Seattle from winning
the super Bowl. And then you put Harrison on there
because how it's devastating. You're at least going to get
three points, you don't get any and then the Steelers
get seven.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Crazy. What a wild super Bowl and underrated too.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Larry Fitzgerald had the long touchdown reception and I'm thinking
the Cardinals are going to win the super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
How great is this?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And then next thing I know, and that's when I
got up on the podium and we didn't know who
the MVP was. I did not know until I kept yelling.
And it's so chaotic when you're on the podium, it's chaos.
You can't even hear yourself. I got the commissioner next
to me going, are you going to introduce me? You
(39:47):
so you're going to introduce me and then hand me
the microphone. I'm trying to find out who is the MVP,
and the commissioner wants to know how I'm going to
introduce him? And do I give him the microphone and
I go, yeah, yeah. I didn't say yes, I'm going
to I didn't say anything other than yeah, yeah. And
I kept going, who's the MVP? And then I heard
somebody yell up Holmes and then I went, oh, my god,
(40:10):
he's gonna win. And Ben was up there on the podium,
and I think Ben thought he was going to win
the MVP. I don't know if I ever asked him that,
that'd be kind of odd. Hey, did you think you
were going to be the MVP of the Super Bowl? Um?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
This day in sports history, Paulie, do you have anything
you want to sneak in?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Quick?
Speaker 12 (40:26):
On nineteen twenty one, gentleman named j. E. Clare He
owned the Acme Packing Company. He bought a pro football
team he named him after his workers. They became the
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, let's go around the room. What we learned in
the program?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Todd?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Would you learn today?
Speaker 7 (40:40):
Chris Pratt and Seth Myers, among the celebs, have reached
out to Matthew Berry for fantasy football advice.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I's seed O'Connor, Jordan Palmer's worth with some dudes. Yes
he has. That's a pretty good list there. Marvin would
you learn today.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
It's news what airs judge doesn't hit a home run?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, it's becoming Paulie. Would you learn Palmer loves some
Caleb uh Todd?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
We did earn.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
We all learned you take the Chiefs over the field
to win the Super Bowl yet again?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
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