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New York Yankees play-by-play announcer, Michael Kay stops by to talk about the historic season Aaron Judge is having. And Dan considers the Mendoza Line, its origin, and what you would and wouldn’t mind having your name attached to forever.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Final hour.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Nets, Dan Patrick's
show talk some baseball. Yankee broadcaster Michael Kay on the
greatness of Aaron Judge. This year's season compared to two
years ago, this season might be even better eight seven,
seven to three DP show. We say good morning. If
you're watching on Peacock, thank you downloading the app. That's

(00:26):
our streaming partner and our radio affiliates around the country
as well. iHeartRadio Fox Sports Radio. I have a pull
question for you for the final hour of the program.
Last night, it happened again. Now there's a couple of
movie franchises when they're on and I'm flipping through. If
the Equalizer is on with Denzel the Bourne Identity, with

(00:49):
Matt Damon and Taken Liam Neeson.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
What if it was a draft that you could only
pick one?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Born's quick answer, Yeah, Born, Yeah, that's the right answer.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm watching Taken. I don't know if it's one or
two or three. But his daughter has been taken and
he's got to go over and he's got to kill
everybody on a boat. But I don't know if that's
any different than Taking three or two or one. But
I do watch. He has that ability to just he's

(01:24):
there on camera and somebody is going to have hell
to pay, and he's going to find you and he
is going to kill you. Todd.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
I will hunt you down. I will find you, and we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Carry And I did think about that when I'm watching.
And I don't even think he used that line in
this movie that I saw, but I did. I if
those movies are on, I'm watching, and sometimes I get
the titles mixed up. I get the plot lines mixed up.
Usually the plot lines are kind of the same with

(01:56):
The Equalizer and Liam Neeson and Taken. They're somewhere and
somebody is in trouble and somebody is gonna get killed.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, and the person responsible for it, oftentimes is an
Eastern European who never seems to leave a techno nightclub
dance thing where there's flames shooting. Yeah, you're going to
kill him. Wait, I thought you said you killed him.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I did. I must do everything myself. And then there's
like seven women draped all over him, and then he
does his shot of vodka and then gets in his car.
The chase scenes though, and Born are just unbelievable, unreal.
So I go back to the French connection and when

(02:45):
Gene Hackman is in the movie and I think that's
nineteen seventy or seventy one. It's the first time I
remember seeing a car chase where it felt like you
were in the car. Now when you're watching Born, feels
like you're driving it. They do such an unbelief of
a bull job. But yeah, I did get caught up
in that last night. And uh, no shame, no shame
in telling you that phone calls. We'll get to those

(03:08):
coming up. Jamar Chase is expected for week one, and uh,
his head coach was asked about that possibility. Here's Zach Taylor,
the Bengals head coach. What what's the.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Plan for him moving forward this week? How much man?
How has he looked so far in these in these
first couple of practices back.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah, he's he's a great You know, Sam Jama, I'm
used too, And uh, the plan will be continue to
practice with them.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Has he given any indication if he wills there be
any conversation about what his plans are for week one?
Have you all had that discussion yet?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
He and I always have conversations, Zach, I think my
my zoom may have cut out. Did you say the
plan is for Jamorrow to be ready for week one?

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yeah, he's going to practice this week and we'll just
keep taking it from there. Are you competent he'll play
week one? Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay. I think coach, you could have stopped this a
lot sooner if when you were asked about Jamar, you
know he's practicing. We hope he's going to be ready
to play week one. Hey, come on, got to ask
you four different questions to get is he going to
be Do you expect him to play in week one? Yeah? Yeah,
you know, we're hoping that he's going to be able

(04:14):
to practice. Do you think that he might be able
to play? Yeah? I mean you know we talk all
the time about this. Is he going to play in
week one or not? Yeah? Yeah, he's gonna that's the goal.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yes, I mean it's not exactly like he's holding on
too like the nuclear codes, like if your star wide
receiver is going to play week one or not, it's
not that good.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well, you can't give him any advantage.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'm not letting this out like it's not that big
of a deal.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Dude, vague questions, elicit vague responses. Jamar Chase playing in
week one, and he'd say, as long as he stays
healthy in practice. Okay, what are your plans for Jamar
Chase in week one? Like just get the point? You know,

(05:02):
they were kind of tap dancing a little bit there,
and then coach like, they don't want to tell you anything.
They go to these press conferences not wanting to tell
you something. Yes, Tod is.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
That the new passive aggressive approach by my zoom may
have cut outlet to make.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Sure we all heard that was pretty good though, Yeah,
my zoom cut out. Did you say that he's going
to start?

Speaker 7 (05:22):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna play, Yes, poem.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Does all sounded like when you asked Pritzy a question,
you know, like you could ask Pritty any direct question
and you'll you'll get like, is Jamar Cha's gonna start?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
What do you mean by start?

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Starting? You play?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Play?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
What do you mean by play?

Speaker 6 (05:36):
There's a lot of scenarios there. It's just you know,
it's kind of semantics starting.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, when I do that with Todd, I'll say, hey,
are you working out? I could be better? I could
do better? No, you didn't answer my question, are you
working out? I mean I I I could do I
could I? I uh, Todd, we're seeing some friends at
the gym and I flexed a couple of times.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Does that cow that? I?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Oh my god, Todd? Are you are you exercising?

Speaker 5 (06:01):
I throw out the garbage? Or I did the dishwashing?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's the I know that you didn't do that.

Speaker 8 (06:07):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Speaking of movies, guess what I have right here in
my hand. Got it from DraftKings Early Odds Best Picture
Academy Award. Okay, you guys want to take a guess.
There's a young heart throb might be dating somebody really

(06:29):
really famous, and his movie right now is the favorite
for the Academy Award Oscar for Best Picture. Spells his
first name differently than you might expect. Timothy Timothy Shaloma.

(06:49):
Dune Part two Okay, interesting, I gotta see Dune part
one first apparently, but definitely done. Part two all right?
The second I don't think I've seen any of these movies.
The second favorite right now, according to DraftKings Best Picture
Same that that there's two words and they're the same words.

(07:16):
Sing sing? Was that a cartoon? I have no idea
is that cartoon movie. I don't well, would a cartoon
movie win Best Picture?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Doesn't sing? A movie sing sing might be sing too.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, but it's sing sing which is also a prison
so a different movie. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know anything about it. It's a cartoon movie about a
prison where they sing sing sing.

Speaker 9 (07:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
The third favorite has a football terminology in its title.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Something about room, quarterback, room wide, receiver, room.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I blitz, blitz. I've never even heard of that movie.
I haven't heard of any of these. The next one
is a Noora. I have no idea that that's the
name of the movie. I was gonna say, dude, if
that's the clue, come on, you find yes very anora

(08:15):
ing all right? And then the next one is also
something I find fritzy, A real pain, A real pain.
I don't know. I haven't seen any of these movies.
I don't know anything about these movies. Dang, I gotta
get out more, Yes, Martin.

Speaker 10 (08:34):
But isn't every Oscar Best Picture nominee a movie you've
never seen?

Speaker 9 (08:39):
Like?

Speaker 10 (08:39):
How many blockbusters are really up for Best Picture year
and a year out Besides Top Gun Maverick.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah right, and Save the Industry, Tom Cruise, Save the Industry.
He gets credited with the save, Yes he does.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
It feels like they like those movies that it's like
everything all at once, parasite some of those movies.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, Pauline, I got last year's list, and the movies
are like Oppenheimer, Barbie made it.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's those were big movies. Yeah, yeah, those were those
were blockbusted. Barbie was obviously, I mean they made a
billion dollars. Oppenheimer made a billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, those are the big money movies of the year
that also got nominated.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Uh what was the uh what was the movie about
the woman who start she runs off with the creature
in the water. Huh oh yeah, uh the Shape of Water.
Shape of Water. Yeah, yeah, Now I did watch it
and I thought it was interesting. I didn't come away
gone yeah right there that has Gone with the Wind.

(09:43):
Ever seen it? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (09:44):
That?

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I never saw the one, the cartoon one that James
Cameron did either.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
The Avatar. Never saw it. That made a billion too, Yeah,
not watching it. I think he's made Avatar. A couple
of them, both of them made a billion. Avatar of
that Okay, we kind of what about three.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Billboards in North Dakota whatever that.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Was, that's grabbing, tired, that's that's Ebbings, Minnesota, Like three
billboards outside Ebbings, Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
With a clever movie title.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, although what's his name? Ady Harrelson was in that, right, Yeah,
but he's not the guy, oh, the other guy, racist
cop Sam no worthing, No, No, but you're you're in that.
It's Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell. He was awesome. Oh he's
a good actor. He's one of those guys. He's a

(10:32):
Ruffalo Mark Ruffalo kind of guy. He's a good actor. Yeah,
he's been some really good movies. We got into a
conversation this morning my wife and I is, I'm getting
ready to leave to entertain a nation, and she says
something about Paul Rudd and I go, okay, and then
she goes, you know, he he's kind of like the
male version of Sandra Bullock. He's our sweetheart. I go,

(10:55):
who's our sweetheart? And she goes, no one has anything
negative to say about Paul Rudd. I go, you're right,
but where's this coming from? She so, I don't know.
I just thought of it. So I'm like, all right,
crushing on Paul Rudd right in front of me.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
See, according to.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
The Twitter, most of the movies that you've been mentioning
right now haven't even been released yet. So that's probably
why we haven't heard of him.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Just as much.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, Dune two is out, June two is out, but
most of the ones, according to them, Oh that a
lot of them aren't out yet.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Dang, that's a lot of pressure. Yeah, who's got more pressure?
Todd Fritz sing sing or Patrick Mahomes this year? Right there? Yes, ud,
Jason Bateman comes to mind.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I know we've kind of done this before. Very likable,
No one really has a bad word to say. You
look forward to seeing him.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
In the movies.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, but when he was doing Ozark, like he could
be a bad guy. Paul Rudd is normally not a
bad guy. Paul Rudd. Okay, who plays themselves better? Paul
Rudd or Jason Bateman. It's a push. There's certain actors
it just feels like they play themselves, which is.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
So unfair to just be born and then be like, oh, yeah,
it turns out I'm really good at being me. I
guess I'll be an actor. Well, you know, when Happy
to gill More Too. I'm being asked to play me
and it's not easy. It's not easy, trust me, Bill
and Dallas. Hi Bill, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 8 (12:23):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Dan?

Speaker 7 (12:24):
Just five to eleven and a softest hard two five
needed to call in to defense a little bit of
Steve Martin slander from an earlier call.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
He must not be a wild.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
And crazy guy.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
You also watch some of his banjo videos during the
Peacock commercial break one of the most incredible things you'll
see today.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Also, just watch.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Grewn Upstu for the first time and absolutely how to
your gym teacher character. I can't wait to see you
happy Gilmore Too, but hopefully not as much as you.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Thank you. Thank you. People wanted to know if Sam
gave me a prop to where in my as the
gym class teacher. No, he did not, but I just
know that he did give me the outfit, anything to

(13:17):
make me look silly. Sandler usually tries to do that.
But I think I'm shooting my Happy Gilmore Too scene
in here in the man Cave. Now. I don't know
if that means you guys might get in the scene,
but I am shooting it. I think in studio, because
Sailor goes, do you want us to build a set
for you? And I go, well, why don't I just

(13:38):
do it here in my studio? He goes, I like it, Danny.
I like it, Danny. Yes.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yes, So we haven't been asked to leave the building
during the shoot. Now that's a good sign.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
No, there's still a chance that you guys may be
a cutaway. I don't know, maybe we could work in
a line there or something like that. Charles in Florida, Hi,
Charles Woods on your mind?

Speaker 7 (13:58):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
DP, how are you spectacular?

Speaker 11 (14:02):
Two quick things? Anybody that says Josh Allen is overrated,
I mean, these guys are out of their minds. He
single handedly almost beat the Chiefs dynasty two different times,
put the whole team on his back. So I got
to totally disagree with that. The most overrated quarterback by
far is Dak Prescott. I'm a Cowboys fan and I
can't even watch it anymore. It's awful.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, but he played really well last year, and the
expectations like there's a certain personality trait you must have
to be the quarterback of the Cowboys and deflect and
not take everything so personally and Dak has done a
pretty good job of that. And I know we get
to the postseason, it's it can't be all on him

(14:48):
that they win thirteen games or he doesn't get credit.
But he only gets blamed when they get to the postseason.
He's a really good quarterback. Has it, you know, ended
like a Greek track the last couple of years. It has.
But I do think he's a I think he's overcovered.
There's the difference overcovered and as opposed to overrated, Like

(15:10):
Lebron is overcovered. Lebron's not overrated. Lebron's overcovered. Therefore, it's like,
oh yeah, bal out of the playoffs early. The expectation
level is so high in social media. It's just different
now for these athletes. Yeah, yes, Marvin.

Speaker 10 (15:28):
Quick question about rock perty Will he go from underrated
to overrated once he gets paid?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yes? Okay, yeah, because then we're going to go you're
paying in fifty five million and he's only throwing nineteen
touched whatever it is going to be. I mean, there's
somebody's going to go after him, because if you sit
here and compliment people all day, you know, people don't
want to hear that. They want to know if you
have an opinion about somebody, or you make up an
opinion about somebody just to get clicked. All right, let

(15:55):
me take a break. We'll talk about Aaron Judge's season
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(17:16):
thanks for joining us. If I would have told you
before the season started Aaron Judge would be on pace
to hit sixty home runs again, you would have said what.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
I would say. I could see it happening, but it
wasn't likely because you know, in twenty twenty two, we
felt that that was a once in a lifetime thing.
So I wouldn't bet on it because I just think
that these are so unusual. But now I start to
think that if he didn't run into the wall at
Dodger Stadium last year, maybe he would have made a
run at sixty as well. He's just on that kind

(17:47):
of role right now where he's the best hitter in baseball.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I wondered about his swing or I wonder about his
swing when you first saw him and it felt like
somebody that size and having a long swing. Could he
continue to have that success when his bat you know,
slowed down. He's thirty two and having probably the best
year of his career. So how do you handicap that
swing of his as he you know, gets to be

(18:12):
thirty five, thirty six years of age.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
You know what, He's a really smart player, Dan, and
I think that what he's done is he's turned it
into a science because he actually cares about batting average
and his strikeouts are actually down from his rookie year
when he hit fifty two home runs that year. I
mean I even talked to Joe Juraradi about it. You know,
nobody could envision this. Nobody could have dreamed this big,
that he'd be a three thirty hitter and be on

(18:36):
face for sixty three home runs. But that's what he is,
So you would be led to believe that if in fact,
he's going to get older and you know, the laws
of physics take over and he's going to have a
slower back, I think he'll be able to make it work.
I think he's got a lot more in the tank.
Remember he got called up late because he went to college.
So if he wants to do great things in a

(18:57):
compiling sense, he's got a hit to He's thirty seven,
and I think he's going to.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Who's having a better season, Aaron Judge or show Hey Otani.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
I think Judge is simply because of the fact that
he's playing the field. You know, Otani's unbelievable. He's stolen
over forty bases and that's something that Judge doesn't do.
I think Judge could steal more bases if he wanted to,
but it's imperative that he stay healthy. But he's playing
center field most of the time, so I'd say that
he's probably having a better season.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Was there ever a time when you thought, or maybe
Yankee fans thought you were getting Otani?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
I thought at the beginning they did. I mean that's
the reason the Yankees have Stanton because once they lost
out on Otani, they really thought that they were going
to get Otani, and then they pivoted and made the
trade for Stanton. And I remember sitting next to Otani
on the day I said a Baseball writers dinner in
New York, and you know, he had signed with the Angels,
and he said to me, said, why are people so upset?

(19:59):
I said, because they really wanted you to be a Yankee.
He goes, well, maybe one day, but that's not going
to happen. I think he likes it on the West Coast,
and at the end of this ten year contract, I
don't think the Yankees will pursue him.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
What about Jan Sodo.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
I'm one of the people who believe this, and I
don't think it's something that people want to embrace. Everyone says, oh,
he loves being a Yankee, and the fans love him
and they showed him sets love. He'll definitely sign with
the Yankees. He's definitely gonna sign with the team that
offers him the most money. I mean, you don't have
Scott Boris as an agent to take a discount. That's
just not the way it works. And maybe it's going

(20:38):
to be the Yankees that give him the most money.
The only thing I would actually bend a little bit
on Dan is if it's close. I think he is
enjoying his time. He knows the power of hitting in
front of Judge and the fans, and Soto from opening
day this year have had a love affair. So if
there's a difference between a million dollars for one year

(20:59):
over a ten fifteen year period, I could see him saying, Okay,
go to the Yankees. But let's say the Mets and
Steve Cohen they offer him sixty million a year and
the Yankees offer him fifty. He could love the Yankees
all he wants. He loved being with the Nationals and
he turned down four hundred and forty million dollars. So
I think it's going to come down to a business transaction,

(21:19):
and I think emotions is going to be pushed to
the side.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Best team in the American League is who.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I think it's between the Yankees and the Orioles. But
if you want to ask me who do I fear
the most, it's probably the Astros. I don't think they're
the best team, but they have the institutional knowledge of
having to get to the ALCS. So if I'm the
Yankees and the Orioles, that would be the team that
scares me the most. I mean, in an eye blink,
they went from ten out to buy five and a

(21:49):
half six over and in front of the Mariners and
got the Mariner manager fired as well. So the Astros
scared me the most, and I'd say that the Yankees
and and the Orioles are the two best teams in
the league.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
You look at a Yankee Dodger World Series.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
I would like that. That would be fun. I think
it would be good for baseball. I see Otani and
Judge on the same field. I think that would be great,
and it would bring me back to eighty one and
seventy seven and seventy eight. But I'll tell you what
on my radio show, Dan, all I take is Yankee
fans talking about this Judge scenes means nothing unless they

(22:26):
go to the World Series. I mean that's the way
they've been programmed. So I really can't get upset with them.
But it's so hard to get to the World Series.
The last time a team went back to back was
the Yankee So there's just so many layers of playoffs
to get there. I mean, Brian Cashman calls it a
crap shoot. I don't know if it's quite a crap shoot,
but I do know it's really really tough to do.

(22:47):
So what I like to see the Yankees and the Dodgers,
maybe the Yankees and the Philly Sure, Yankees and the
Mets would be fun. I think there are legitimately ten
teams that could go to the World Series.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
What was your reaction when the story came amount that
the Yankees could honor Alex Rodriguez.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
Should honor or that they actually invited him to Oldzeimer's Day.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, no, I thought that there was something about ay
Rod talking about, you know, being put out in Memorial
Park or out there with all the legends.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
A lot of people were asked at during Oldzheimer's Day.
I think the fact that Alex was invited to Old
Timer's Day, if you asked me that six years ago, yeah, okay,
that's going to happen. So time does heal some wounds.
And when he was introduced to the Crab, there was
a lot of love that came his way that warren't booze.
There were cheers for sure, not the most of any Yankee.
That still goes to Derek Jeter. I think it's a

(23:40):
long way from putting into Monument Park. I really do.
I mean, this is a guy and I think if
you look at his numbers, just look at his numbers,
six hundred and ninety six home runs, three MVPs, two
of them with the Yankees a great World Series running
on nine. He deserves to be out there for that.
But this guy was also suspended from baseball per year
and he was suing the team. So I mean, there

(24:03):
have to be a lot of a lot of wounds
that have to be healed before that would ever happen.
I wouldn't I would never say never, but it would
be tough.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
But the Yankees love to celebrate these things, even though
I wouldn't celebrate a Rod with putting him out there.
And I misspoke Memorial Monument Park, but hey, it's the
Yankee franchise. They do what they want to do. But
it seems like a Rod's still like how do you
curry favor to get in the Hall of Fame? And like,

(24:31):
I just don't know. He's been relevant doing the Fox games,
the ESPN stuff, and then I just wonder, is he
ever going to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame
having been popped twice with steroids.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
I don't think he will. I don't think he will
unless there's a seismic change of the people that are voting.
You know, people have said, well, you know, people will
die off and there'll be a younger generation of voters. Okay,
then it's ten years on the ballot will be over
and then it'll be the hands of some kind of veterans.
And I think a lot of the players want to
keep the ped guys out. The sad part is Dan.

(25:06):
Of all the people that have been kept out, like
Bonds and Clemens and the like, the one that it
hurts the most is a Rod because he is such
a lover of baseball and he understands the history of
the game and what it means to be in Cooperstown
that would mean the world to him. But he also
knows that he messed up in a big way. So

(25:26):
I'm not sure he'll ever get into COOPERSTOWND just not.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
You bring up a valid point, and I've heard that
before that you get younger voters, they aren't as offended
by steroids. And I had Tim Kirchin on the show
recently and I said, it is a museum, and there's
a lot of things in museums that aren't attached to
good people, but they're still in a museum. Are we

(25:50):
treating the Hall of Fame like it's a little to
pristine instead of let's use it to tell the story
of Baseball.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
All due respect, and because you know I idolize you,
I hate that argument.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
Hate it.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
It is a museum and he's in that museum. Pete
Rose is in that museum. That doesn't mean they get
a plaque. The plot is the ultimate in the Baseball
Hall of Fame. So there are displays. You've got Pete
Rose's back there, You've got Alex Rodriguez something from the
two thousand and nine World Series. So everybody is represented

(26:24):
in the story of baseball. But just because it's a
museum doesn't mean that they have to get a plaque.
And that's where I would draw the line. And as
for the I think you bring up a great point
about it's treated as if it's a church. It's a sacrament.
It's sacrilegious if you would let somebody in that I
don't like and I love the way the baseball writers

(26:46):
hold on to this and do treat it that way.
But the one thing that they've messed up on, because
I just watched the Pete Rose documentary on Max, the
fact that they were ever had that Pete Rose vote
taken out of their hands. They should have said, we
will never vote for another player unless you let us
vote for Pete Rose. That doesn't mean Pete Rose deserves

(27:07):
to get in, but they should be the ones that decide.
Once it was taken out of their hands. It shows
you how much they just love that boat and how
much it means to them, because they should have stepped
away and said, unless you give us a chance to
vote on this guy, because we've done right by this hall,
we've kept bad guys out, we've kept pd guys out.
We should be allowed to vote for Pete Rose. And

(27:29):
once the Baseball Hall of Fame took that out of
the hands, they should say, okay, find another way to
vote people in because we're out. But they didn't do that,
and that's on them.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, you get people have this argument, Michael, and that is, Hey,
Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he cheated. Hey
Clemens was a Hall of And I said, it doesn't matter,
like you could be Father of the Year in two
thousand and eight and then all of a sudden, you're
abusing your wife, Like just because you were something doesn't
mean that's what you are. It's the totality of your career.
And I never buy that. Was Bond's a Hall of Fame, Yes,

(28:00):
he was well on his way. Clemens, I don't think
was until he went to Toronto and then after that that
things changed there. Sammy Sosa's name never comes up as
one of those guys like what about I mean, he
had four seasons of hitting over sixty home runs. I
don't know. It feels like Bonds, Clemens, but never Sosa.

(28:21):
So I don't like we kind of pick and choose
who should shouldn't, why they should, why they shouldn't, And
even Pete, if you cheat when you're in graduate school,
I don't take away your undergraduate degree. If he bet
as a manager. Now do I think he bet as
a player, I do. I don't have any you know,
any reference with that, but I just do. I don't

(28:41):
think he started once he became a manager. But I
can't take away what he did as an undergrad. Michael
that he that's a Hall of Fame baseball career. And
I know what he did as a manager. He bet
on baseball.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Well, p Rose is a really complicated case because the
only thing to have proof of is the fact that
he as a manager. He never bet. As a player,
he would not be getting in as a manager. He'd
be getting in his guy with the most hits in
the history of baseball. But it's a tough thing to
delineate on and say, Okay, you separate the guy because
I'm sure you Shoe was Shoe Jackson never bet on baseball,

(29:16):
you know, the Black Sop scandal. Should he be in
because of the stuff he did before that? I think
it's the one whole thing. It's not just like, it's
not a sizzle of buffet to get the whole thing?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Uh? Could we should we look at Aaron Judges the
single season home run chimp?

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I think that I don't want to cop out, but
I think that's everybody's individual preference. If you if you
look at bombs and you think that it was ill
gotten Gains and Sosa and Maguire, than he is. If
you think, okay, everybody was doing it and there were
pitchers that were doing it, then he's not the best
thing he has going for him is at least he
knows he's the American League single season home run record holder.

(29:58):
Is he better than bonb The sad part is Dan
he had the worst April that you could possibly have
the worst. If he actually had just a decent April,
they'd be people talking about him getting seventy three, and
then he would erase all of this nonsense and there'd
be no more asterisks anymore. But the fact that he
had a bad April means that he's going to go
for sixty two again and probably not going to go

(30:19):
for seventy three.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
You think he could hit seventy three.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
I do. I do now. As he gets older, I
think it becomes less likely. But if he had that
great if he had an April where he had nine
home runs rather than what he did have. I mean
he hit him at two hundred in April. He looked
lost where people were saying something's wrong with him. He
just didn't have enough at bats in spring training. If
he had a decent April, I think he'd be making

(30:44):
a run at seventy three. I really do, because he
is so locked in right now and it's not just
brute Paul force that he does out there. He's really
thinking up there, and he's become a much more cerebral hitter.
I think he could have done it this year. I
don't know. Next year is a year older, I'm not sure,
but this year he could have done it.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
And you see right handed hitters you know that they
used the entire field. I remember Dale Murphy, you know,
kept saying that they you know, there were pitches that
he could hit out of the park to right center,
and he became really good at doing that because he
was trying to pull everything. And I see, Judge, that's
a smart hitter. Even if you don't hit a home run.

(31:22):
Use the pitch to your advantage, use the ballpark to
your advantage. So you can see a thought process when
he's up there. A lot of these guys just go
up there and swing, but he's thinking when he's in there.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Also, Yankee Stadium is built for him, so just a
fly ball a right field. I'm not saying he has
a lot of these home runs because most of them
go four hundred and fifty feet, but it's good if
you're going to break a record, to have one dunk
into the short fortune right two or three times a
year because that gives you a little bit of a run.
He's just a brilliant, brilliant hitter. And again, I did
not envision a guy who's going to hit over three

(31:54):
hundred when he hit the fifty two home runs as
a rookie. He's just he's gotten so much better as
a baseball player and so much smarter. And really, Dan,
I don't know if you've ever stood next to him,
He's a giant. They're on baseball players that look like that.
I mean, I'm six foot four and I feel small
next to him. Paul O'Neil is six foot six and

(32:15):
he's looking up at him. It's just an amazing thing
that a guy that size could have that kind of
athletic ability and also the computer of a brain to
process all the information that's coming his way for him
to hit three hundred, and he's one of the few
home run hitters Dan that really does care about batting average.
He's not Joey Gallo who's willing to hit forty and

(32:36):
hit one seventy. He takes a lot of pride to
hitting three hundred, and he's going to hit three hundred.
He might even win the batting title. That Bobby Wood
Junior goes into a little bit of a slump.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Great to talk to you. You're in postseason four, You're
ready to go. Don't screw it up, Mike, Mike, thank you, Michael,
thank you. That's Michael kay Yankee, play by play broadcaster
on Yes network, batting average still means something to me.
It may not to analytics, but it does to me.

(33:06):
I mean, okay, I'm not asking much, but you know,
the Mendoza line is now lower than two hundred, Like
we have to change the Mendoza line and name it
after some other player because it's named after what is it,
Mario Mendoza. That's the two hundred batting average? Can we

(33:26):
look at like two fifty? Is that asking too much?
One of these days, if I'm still alive, you're gonna
get guys who may bunt in the game, guys who
may have a hit and run. We got the stolen
base back. You know, we're slowly creeping back, slowly, slowly.
Take a break, Last call for phone calls? What we

(33:47):
learn back after this.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (33:59):
Last call for phone calls, What we learn? What's in
store tomorrow? All of that coming up?

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I mentioned the Mendoza line and is it former
pirate Mario Mendoza. You're correct, yes, and that is part
of baseball. The glossary of terms. I think Mendoza line
is part of like the actual terminology.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, if you go to MLB dot com, they have
a glossary we could learn about like you know, like
the sixty day DL or chin music. But it's a
real deep glossary of different things like can of corn.
You could find out the origin of cannon corn. You
could find out the origin of the hot stove, all
the things that people take for granted and basement. It's
really the glossary is kind of like Southpaw. What's it

(34:42):
referring to? Everyone knows that, but where did it come from?
It's in the MLB glossary.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yes, Tom So, would you rather have a serious injury
named after you?

Speaker 6 (34:48):
Although many players have come back from that so there's
a positive to it, or be known for the bottom
bottom of a low batting average, which would be acceptable
for a major leaguer to be hitting.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'd rather be known for Tommy John surgery because he
on like two hundred and eighty eight games. Then Mario Mendoza,
who's known for his ineptitude.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Strictly the surgery part. Forget about what time you John?
A comboy says an actual player. Well, you could separate
the two.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Maybe you can't, I can't. It's Tommy John. Yeah, Paul,
this is.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Actually quite fun. But I'm a nerd painting the black.
You know when they say a pitture is painting the
black when he's pitching, that refers to a pitch that's
a strike, but it barely catches the outside corner. The
origin home plate is mostly a white slab, but is
bordered on all five sides by a thin black strip. Thus,
a pitcher who's frequently hitting the corners and striking people
out is painting the black.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, how about that? Yeah, I was aware of them. Yeah.
If you look at a home plate or when we
grew up, the outline of it is in black. That's
where I lived. I lived, not painting the black. I
remember throwing a fastball to a guy I played in
this semi pro league in Cincinnati, and I threw a

(35:59):
pitch and I thought, I'm going to overpower this guy.
He hit a rocket that I never saw. I heard
it go by my head. That's when I knew you're
not fooling anybody if you're throwing it really hard. He
hit this ball so damn hard. I wanted to walk
off the mound because I just heard it whiz by me.

(36:19):
And then it was some guy who played, you know,
minor league baseball. You know a lot of these guys
had played minor league baseball, but it was a Twilight
league in Cincinnati. Oh my god, scared me to death.
He's like, did that ball? And I remember asking a
teammate how close did that come to hitting my head?
And they go, it wasn't that close. It was that
loud that you would have thought it was like two
inches away from my noggin.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Tho.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
There were few things worse though than pitching, and just
like a comebacker, because the minute the ball gets out
of your hand, it feels like it's right in front
of your face, right back again.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh my god, it's terrifying. Yes, well, there was a
play in the Dodger game where I think Flaherty had
a liner came right back, right back towards his head.
It was so it's so quick, like the reaction time
crazy crazy. Yeah, uh Aldo in California, I Aldo, what's

(37:12):
on your mind?

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Dan?

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Five eleven and a cozy two thirty. All right, I'm
part of the DP club. That's the Dead Parents Club. Anyways,
since you mentioned that for Happy Gilmore two, they're going
to be shooting your man cave. If the dan Ets
are represented in the film, which famous actor would they

(37:37):
want them to play them in the movie.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I know, I think we've kind of already gone around
the room on this on what.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
The actor they look like. How many times can we
mention Ryan Gosling in one?

Speaker 5 (37:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yes, well, you try to mention it as often as possible.
I did watch the end of White Men Can't Jump
last night. Yeah, I got I got stuck in this
vortex of Liam Neeson and taken, and then I flipped
over I saw, you know, White Men Can't Jump, and
I thought, all right, let me let me see Billy,
see how he's doing. And then Rosie Press, who I love,

(38:17):
but uh, you know, the movie's okay. I mean the
fact that he's trying to dunk. I mean, come on,
what he couldn't play for his high school team in
Ohio when we played against them. He's not gonna dunk.
Get out of here. Yes time.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
We had Rosie Press in the show a while back
and she was like fantastic, Yeah, you guys had like
a great report from Like.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I thought, there was something going on there.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Was It was a little wonderfully awkward. I don't know
how you were described, but there was something there.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I thought, Man, we're vibing big time, and uh, white
Man's gonna jump jump your bone. What get out of here?
Marvin said, huh huh. Rosie Press had a run.

Speaker 10 (39:01):
She did like ninety four a keeen twenty thirteen, lebron
six covidnous mtp SSON a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
And uh, what was the Spike Lee movie thing?

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (39:16):
She was the Jordan Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
She was, she was great, she was fun. Man, she
caused some people to do the wrong thing. Whoa when
she was when Spike Lee. She told me the story
Spike Lee comes over to her house and wants to
talk to her about being in that movie do the
right thing. And they sit at the kitchen table, and

(39:40):
she said a relative had a machete and was sitting
at the table and put the machete down because there
is some nudity in there, and they wanted to make
sure that Spike Lee was being on the up and
up with their sister. And I was like, oh my god,
put the machete down on the table. Let me see

(40:01):
what do we have here? Mike in California?

Speaker 8 (40:04):
Hi, Mike, Hey, Dan five eight one eight. I grew
up a Dodger fan and Steve Garvey was the man
for several years, and I wonder if he will ever
make the Hall of Fame. I wonder what your opinion

(40:24):
is on that? And uh, then I got a movie
question too.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Okay, what's your movie question? Real quick?

Speaker 8 (40:32):
You guys were talking about Sam Rockwell earlier. I heard
that he was going to play Merle Haggard in a
bio pick and that would be right up my alley.
And I'm wondering if you could put your feelers out
and see if that's all right.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'll see what I can do. Steve Garvey always seemed
like a Hall of Famer to me. I know he
didn't have the numbers, but it always felt like Steve
Garvey was a Hall of Famer. Todd, what did you
learn today?

Speaker 5 (40:56):
At a pub in.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Maine, you were immediately asked if you played benjos As
the woman thought you looked like Steve Martin.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah. I took it as a compliment kind of. I mean,
he's handsome as can be, obviously seton What did you
learn today?

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Marty Smith called his hair a wonder of the world. Yeah,
eighth wonder, Marvin, Would you learn? With reporters, it's never
off the record, Paulie would you Learn?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
According to IMDb, Sam Rockwell is part of an untitled
Merle Haggard biopic.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
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