August 29, 2024 • 44 mins
DP reacts to the Steelers and Patriots naming their starters at QB for the regular season. Former Cowboys Head Coach and NBC analyst Jason Garrett discusses what the process was like naming Dak Precott the starter his rookie year i9n Dallas. And MLB insider Tom Verducci explains why Aaron Judge is so special.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Steelers finally got a round naming Russell Wilson their starter,
and the only team left is the Patriots. Marvin just
said to me moments ago, Patriots have named their starting quarterback.
How about we play guess who the Patriots have named
as their starting quarterback?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Game? All right, everybody, I'm your host, wink Marvindale. Hey,
I'm here. We're gonna play name that starting quarterback for
the Patriots. Okay, you know what. We're gonna start off
with our producer, Paully Paps.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Okay, Paul, a lot of pressure. I'm gonna go right
with my first answer. Jacoby Brissett. All right, Todd, it
won't be May in September.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Bressett.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
See, I'm going with Brissette as well. I'm gonna go, well,
that's no fun if we all go Presette unless we're
all wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm going Drake May. Oh okay, you know what. Let's
hear from the man himself, Gerrodmeo.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett
will be our starting quarterback this season. Now, I'm saying
that as an organization, we're one hundred percent behind Jacoby.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
There is no.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
You know, you got a guy right here, you got
a guy right there. We're one hundred percent behind Jacoby.
And I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I
had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately and also together,
and I feel like we're all on the same page
from an organizational perspective.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Right. It's not exciting, but it is smart. I agree
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And the only thing I thought was when he got
banged up the last game on Sunday night, if the
shoulder was banged up where he couldn't play, then Drake
may was going to play. But it felt like that's
the cautionary tale here, and certainly with the lack of talent, skill,
position talent, I would go with Jacoby Brussette as well.
(01:57):
And yes, you're going to be all the way in
on Jacoby Brussett until you're not all in on Jacoby Brissette,
because that's how it works. It's just like it feels
like the media is waiting for Justin Fields to take
over for Russell Wilson. Russ is going to be your starter.
In fact, here's Mike Tomlin finally getting around to making
the announcement.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I met with both quarterbacks here just a few minutes
ago after practice, and I informed them that Russ's QB
one going into Riek one. It was a difficult decision,
but not difficult in a negative way, to be quite
honest with you, It was difficult in a positive way.
The decision was difficult because of what they're capable of doing.
The decision was difficult because of how they've conducted themselves
(02:38):
as opposed to the things that they fall short in
in terms of capabilities or negative conduct.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, let's play the which quarterback plays first? Justin Fields
in Pittsburgh or Drake May with the Patriots? Which one
of those quarterbacks will get the starting role? Todd, I'll
start with you, which quarterback of those two starts first.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think Justin Fields comes in for Russ first.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, not sure why you delivered it that way, but okay, Seaton,
it's almost like the Simpsons. I'm going Drake May, Drake
Man for sure, Marvin Drake May, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I'm gonna call my weekend game Drake May week seven
against Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh okay, I'm gonna go Drake May as well.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It feels like the media.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know if this is happening in Pittsburgh, but
it feels like nationally we're kind of going, well, will
Russ make it to Thanksgiving? Russ had better numbers last year.
I know numbers can lie. Better numbers than Patrick Mahomes did.
He had twenty six touchdowns, eight interceptions. Pittsburgh would kill
for that. They would take that all day, all season.
(03:52):
But sometimes those numbers lie. When did you get those numbers?
Were there times when you were blown out and you
put up some decent numbers? What did you do in
crunch time with those numbers? But it feels like we're
already circling on the calendar when Justin Fields is taking
over for Russ. It's wishful reporting, is what is happening here.
(04:13):
Russ has had what nine really good seasons and then
he's had two bad seasons, nine Pro Bowls. Still, it
feels like, Okay, Seattle kicked him to the curb, Denver
kicked him to the curb. Well, he must be washed.
I'd like to see how this goes. You know, obviously
(04:35):
with Mike Tomlin offensive line, I've got questions about you
do have some skilled position players, you got running game,
and this might be just Russ. Go out there and
manage the game for us. We don't need you to
be superman, no herculean task. Just go out there and play,
and let's try not to take sacks and make mistakes.
(04:56):
And that's probably what Mike Tomlin's going to lean on.
Let's be conservative ish. But they've had hard times, you know,
scoring in the preseason. I know it's preseason, but I
would be a little bit concerned, Like you want to
see something in Denver. I got to see bo Nicks
lead them. I think he was in for seven drives.
They scored touchdowns on six of them. I like it.
(05:18):
It's better than the alternative of seven drives and we
have one touchdown. But all you want to do is
are we headed in the right direction? And it feels
like with that offensive line and some doubt with that
justin Fields, feels like he'll get a chance to play.
And the question is does Russ give up that opportunity
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because he doesn't play well or does he get banged up?
Do they need a spark at some point? Once again,
you're in a division where the last plays team could
win the division. This year, the Cincinnati Bengals. The Ravens
will still be good. Cleveland might figure it out, and
they certainly played well last year without Nashaun Watson and
(06:01):
Nick Chubb, so I wouldn't rule them out winning the division.
And then you have Pittsburgh as well, so New England
I certainly understand it. You want to have Drake may
watch a little bit. I didn't think he was ready.
Told he wasn't ready, though we had really good moments.
It's weird he outplayed Jacoby Brissett. But he's not going
(06:21):
to get the job because he's not ready for the job.
And I think what Gerard Mayo is doing as a
rookie head coach. Let me just go out there with
somebody that I'm familiar with, team's familiar with, and he
knows how to play the position, not at a high level,
but at a level good enough for what the New
England Patriots are going to be. All right, good morning
(06:41):
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Seaton Pole question for the first hour is this the
(07:23):
I think we've got a snarky pole question for the
first hour, as we often do. I mean, I'll let
you guess who sent in the snarky poll. I'm gonna
say Paulie. Yet now look at you. You're on fire today.
Which quarterback debut are you most interested in? Russell Wilson,
(07:43):
Aaron Rodgers We could put on there because last year
didn't really count. Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold Gardner, Minshew, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Snarky Who.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Didn't see that coming, Dan Patrick? No, I did not, No,
I kept going, where's the Snarkit there?
Speaker 7 (08:04):
It is?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh yeah, right there? Oh yeah, yeah, I understand the question.
There with Tom with his debut.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Wow, really got you on that miss. I think Brady's
going to do great.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I do you know, it's it's not about your knowledge,
it's about your ability to do TV. Tom asked to
understand how to do TV. He already has the knowledge.
It's can you get in and out in fifteen seconds?
Can you see what the defense just did or the
offense just did. Get in, get out, explain it, and
then allow your play by play man to come in.
(08:46):
You know that's going to be kind of the synchronicity
with him and Kevin Burkhart is. And you get into
that flow, get into the rhythm, and then you understand timing.
What is fifteen seconds? What is you know? Eighteen seconds? Hey,
he got to get back to the action. Hey, you're
going too long. Somebody's talking in your ear? What are
you telling me? What are you showing me? Breaking down things?
(09:09):
And I think Brady already knows that. It's the ability
to do it in a timely fashion. It's the hardest
thing that I taught analysts when they came to Sports
Center or Football Night in America. They don't know how
long thirty seconds is. They don't know how long seventeen
seconds is when you say, hey, you got to wrap
it up, and you're talking in somebody's ear, the director,
(09:31):
and then they still have to say something on TV
at the same time. There's a lot of moving parts there,
and I think Tom will be great because of the
information that he will impart. I got caught up in
this a long long time ago when Troy Aikman was
first going to do football as an analyst, and I
met with him in Saint Louis. We're at Joe Buck's
(09:52):
golf tournament, and I sat down and did an interview
with him, and I said, can you be critical? And
he said, I don't have to to be critical. I
have to do my job. I have to be an
analyst here. It's not you go out of your way
to go you know that team is terrible because there's
certain ways you can say things.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I'm paraphrasing what Troy said to me.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I wondered if marquee players, Hall of Fame players can
be analytically critical when they're looking at a coach, at
a player, at a quarterback, at a team, and how
often you do that, because certain players have a hard
time doing that because they got friends in the business.
Your job is to us. Your job is to your audience.
(10:35):
That's the most important thing, not my former teammates. And
that's what I'm curious about with Tom. You know, how
do you go about being critical or how do you
go about analyzing in a way that's going to be
perceived as negative? And that's everything else. I think he'll
be fine, but it's going to be that. Let me
(10:57):
get into the rhythm there the first quarter and understanding
it's just like playing the game. You can simulate everything
you want, but you can't simulate because you don't know
what's going to happen. When it happens, Now, how do
you react? That'll be the important part. Does Tom tell
us before ahead, ahead of time? Just like Tony Romo?
(11:18):
You know, you had analysts who kind of got caught
up in they wanted to do what Romo was doing,
or maybe they was told by their bosses, Hey, don't
be afraid to be noster damis here. Tell us what
might happen here? And Tony did that, and then Tony
it felt like stop doing that as much as he
used to. I don't know if Tom Brady's going to
be that way. I like it when they say, hey,
(11:40):
there's a blitz coming off the edge here. Like, I
like knowing that, although there were times when you would
have Tony maybe say something and it didn't happen. Then
you're like, uh, Jim, I think they're going to run
here and then and they're back to pass. You know,
but you know, Romo caught us off guard, which like, wow.
(12:01):
I remember Rich Eisen saying he saw his audition and
said Romo was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I don't know. I know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Tom Brady's done some games, practice games, preseason games. It's
just different. I can go in and rehearse for Football
Night in America or an Olympic broadcast, but it's not
the same because it's going to change right in front
of you. Now, how do you react, Hey, this guy's
going to win. They're going to win. He's going to
(12:29):
be great until he's Aaron Rodgers is out after four plays? Okay,
Now what are you doing? Your job just changed? That's
how quickly it happens. Blink of an eye. Something changes.
And Tom's ability to be able to react to that
is going to be interesting to listen to. And I
do think that they're going to show him on TV.
(12:50):
A lot more than now. I don't know if this
will work with other networks. I was told, like coming
out of commercial break, that they might establish Tom and
Kevin and give them more camera time because they want
to make it seem like it's not just a voice
you're listening to. They want to have Tom Brady is
(13:10):
at that game and you get to see Tom Brady.
He's not gonna be in studio. You want to make
it feel like there's a studio feel out at the game.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I don't know how often they're gonna do it, but
I was told they're going to try to incorporate more
of those on camera.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman do that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Collinsworth does that with Mike, Tarico did that with Al
michaels Al does that with Herbie. I think you're going
to see a lot a lot of that with Tom Brady.
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Speaker 3 (14:01):
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Speaker 7 (14:07):
Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. You took those clips
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Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
He is Jason Garrett Football Night in America studio analyst.
The season begins on NBC and Peacock Chiefs and Ravens.
That'll be the Thursday night game and then Friday you're
gonna have football on Peacock as well, where the Eagles
and the Packers. And Jason also serves as a game
analyst for Notre Dame working with Dan hicks.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
You're busy. Look at you. You're like Belichick. You got
a lot of jobs here.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
A lot of jobs. Yeah. Excited about the start of
football season, though, dan.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Let me. I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The Patriots name Jacoby Brissett as their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Give me that philosophy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Do you think with girod Mayo rookie coach, going with
a little more experienced quarterback instead of his rookie quarterback?
Speaker 7 (15:14):
You know, I agree with the decision. I keep thinking
back of what Andy Reid did in Kansas City with
Patrick Mahomes and just the idea that you draft the
guy high. You know he's going to be your quarterback
of the future. But in Kansas City they had Alex Smith.
Alex is going to play this year. Patrick, You're going
to learn, And I think that's probably going to be
a similar situation for Drake may in New England. And
(15:37):
Jacoby Brissett's an accomplished player, He's played a lot of football.
He'll do a good job for them. I don't think
they're a great team right now. I don't think the
environment is great, So you'd probably rather have a veteran
guy who can handle that the ups and downs of it,
maybe a little bit better than a rookie. And Drake
will learn at some point this season. I suspect he
(15:58):
plays a little bit and he'll be their quarterback of
the future. He certainly showed a lot in the preseason
for Patriots fans to be excited about.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
What do you need to see from a rookie in
preseason that would lead you to believe that he could
be your starting quarterback week one.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
You know, we had Dak Prescott, we drafted him in
the fourth round in twenty sixteen, but you know, Tony
Romo was going to be our quarterback, and Kellen Moore
was going to be our backup, and Dak was going
to be our third guy. And you know, Dak just
played so well at the outset that we felt really
good about him, but you know he wasn't going to play.
Kellen gets hurt in the preseason, Tony gets hurt in
(16:37):
the preseason. All of a sudden, you go from three
to one, and we're all looking at each other like, okay,
we got to figure out how we create an environment
for Dak to play well. And we lost our first game.
They won an eleven in a row, and then we
ended up winning thirteen games. So it wasn't by design.
That's not what we intended to do, but I thought
(16:59):
we were responded well to create an environment for him.
And I think what you do as a staff, as
you say, Okay, what does this guy do? Well? What
has he shown us? Let's try to feature that. I
don't know that there's any litmus tests that you say, Okay,
I need to see this in order for him to play.
The different situations are what they are. I think it
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makes sense for Jade and Daniels to play in Washington
and for Caleb Williams to play in Chicago. But you
know they have Jakobe. They did that on purpose. Their
team isn't necessarily great. Why not let them wait? He
hasn't played as much football as Jayden Daniels did in college,
so maybe he's a little less experienced. And I don't
mind this route at all.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Tom Brady came out recently and said that it's a
tragedy we're dumbing offenses down for these quarterbacks, and I
disagreed because a lot of these quarterbacks have played for
two different schools. And you know you saw that with
bo Nicks and Jade and Daniels, Caleb Williams. They're coming
in at twenty three, twenty four, they've already been paid money.
I mean, they're ready to go so I know, Tom,
(18:07):
it sounds like they get off my lawn. Back in
my day, this is the way we do it. But
are they dumbing down offenses for Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams
and bow Nix this year?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
You know, it's a great conversation. I think the kids
growing up these days are so much more advanced in
some ways than the quarterbacks way back, when you know,
there's all these seven on seven leagues, there's all this
exposure when they're really young to throw in the football.
You know, they have these summer leagues, and so there's
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a lot of throwing and catching going on in this
generation that didn't happen quite as much in previous generations.
So I think in some ways they're really advanced. In
other ways they're not. To Tom Brady's point, I do
think there's like a simplicity that these guys grow up with.
You hear a lot of people say, hey, it's a
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one word play. The one word tells them everything to do.
Like back in the day, you know, the plays were longer.
You needed no formation, you need no variety of defenses,
you need all these things before you're ready to play.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Give me, give me an old school play call that
you remember.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Oh god, I'm gonna I'll give you an easy one. Okay,
explode to bunch right, motor scot right five twenty five
post swing right and that that's the digit system. And
so if you want to that's the Don Coriel, sid Gilman,
Ernie's MPs North Turner system, Mike Martz, those guys. There's
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also the West Coast system. Let me think of one
there far double wing right Z short seventy two flank
or drive. You know that that sort of a thing.
And you know, they get much longer than that if
you have shifts and motions and all of that. And
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I'm not necessarily advocating that, but there has been an evolution.
And I do think you have to be careful of saying, Okay,
we're going to just make it easy on the player
and kind of dumb things down. I think you need
to challenge them. They're pro football players.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But if but if I look at now you go
to the line of scrimmage, I just have one word
and then then we're going to go to the other
play right.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Well, that's been in football forever. Yeah, they call them,
they used to call them. Check with me. You go
to the line of scrimmage. You have two plays. Then
they became what you call kills and cans. We're going
to run the first play to we kill it or
can it to the second play. That's been in football
for a long time. You know. Now they have three
and four and five plays and go to the line
of scrimmage with depending on your offense. But kids, you know,
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quarterbacks have grown up looking at the sideline and having
a coach hold us hold pictures up and nobody calls play.
So you know that's part of football. You don't want
to be like you said, the guy screaming, get off
my lawn. So there's an evolution there. But I also
think you need to challenge not only quarterbacks but all
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the players to be pro football players and to learn
and not to simplify it so much that you're not
as comprehensive as you used to be. You know, there's
an interesting thing, Dan that that a lot of very
smart people talk about. You need to you need to
understand learning styles of players. And I've had really good
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coaches share this with me and it's something that we
always valued. Okay, how does Dan Patrick learn? Okay, how
does Drake may learn, How does whoever learn? Are they
visual learners? Are they better watching film? Are they better
at walkthroughs? Whatever that is. I think it's important to
understand that. But if you if you are in football,
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you understand that. In a meeting, typically you'll see a
list of Okay, that's the game plan. It's a list,
and then that meeting will evolve too. We're going to
show you drawings of those plays, then we're going to
show you film of those plays. Then we're gonna go
walk through those plays. Then we're gonna go practice those plays.
Then we're going to come back afterwards and watch the
(22:16):
film of those plays, and then we're going to walk
through them again. So whatever kind of learner you are,
the essence of teaching in football has been you're gonna
get it a lot of different ways. So to say
that he can't handle it, Patrick, you know he can't
handle it. So we're going to give them one word.
Sometimes I think you're diminishing the player. And I get
(22:38):
things evolve, I get things grow. You want to keep
it simple for guys, but at the same time you
want to challenge them and help them be pro football players.
I think that's probably the essence of what Tom Brady
was talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Okay, that's fair, But also I think aren't we saying
to the entire offense, you guys need to learn to play.
So if I have one word and I say it's banana,
everybody knows what banana is. I don't have to give
the tight end or the line blocking assignments my running back.
So why not make it more simple so your entire
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team is they have to learn the system, not just
the quarterback. Who's then going to be the conductor to
the orchestra.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
It's a great question. But if you look at a
call sheet in the NFL, and I'm not necessarily advocating this,
there might be three hundred plays on an offensive call
sheet for a game. Now, you're not going to run
three hundred plays. If it's a good offensive day, you
run seventy of them. But there's a lot of different
situational things that you have to be prepared for. They
may or may not come up in a game. Right,
(23:41):
So the question for me is, okay, let's use banana.
Let's use banana. They'll use avocado, we'll use orange, we'll
use apple, We'll use how many of those fruits and
vegetables can you use to get to the number of
plays that you want? And my experience has been for
me when you're saying, Okay, banana means all these things,
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apple means all these things, Arizona means all these things.
Your your brain only can handle so much of that
stuff and know all the little specific intricacies of all
the different things. Sometimes you want to tell a guy, hey,
you know five point twenty five f posts. The f
is running a post. Now, we used to call that
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Ernie because it was Ernie Zampezi. Right. We evolved to
a word too, Scott, Right, Ernie got it. Okay, But
if you want to have the number of plays that
you want and all the volume you have in your offense,
you run out of fruits and states.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
And okay, how about we do this though, Jason, how
about we just go I'm going to throw the ball
on a post pattern to Michael Irvin.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, that's the play. What's the protection? Just the formation?
Just just just protect me.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Just it feels like you guys like having your own language.
You know that somebody has oily hips or they're a wastebender,
or you know, there's always some new three technique. There's
every year that you've got to have a new one.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Here.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's like you guys are lawyers and you're speaking to
one another.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Well, it's a great point. I do think descriptions are great.
But if you said, okay, instead of calling Aaron Donald
a three technique, if every time you refer to the
position he played as he's the guy that lines up
on the outside shoulder of the left guard, you'd rather
just say he's the three technique.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Right now, I would just say it's Aaron Donald, like
I don't need to tell you anything other than that's
Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He doesn't have a position to me. He's just to
line up though.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah he knows where to line up wherevery damn well
pleases to line up. We're talking to Jason Garrett, NBC
Football Night in America studio analyst. Did you ever get
involved in contract negotiation? Not really, No, not specifically. I
mean we talked about the macro ideas of it, but
(26:07):
never specifically with the numbers. Will you ever asked about
a certain player? Oh constantly, No, But with money attached
to it, you have.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Those discussions all the time. You're always thinking about Okay,
the priorities. You know, this is a guy that we
should go pay. We needed to pay Zach Martin. It's
a six time pro bowler. Let's go pay Zach. I
don't know if it's fifteen million dollars, sixteen million dollars, whatever,
you get it. The people who are doing the actual
negotiation get into all those specifics. But the essence of
(26:42):
it is, we need them on our team.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But weren't you going to take Johnny Manziel Instead?
Speaker 7 (26:50):
We were not going to take Johnny Manzil. There's a
good story about that.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, it felt like the owner wanted to take him.
Maybe the GM didn't, or the GM wanted to and
the owner did. Wasn't that with Jerry that it felt
like Manziel? But then weiser heads prevailed and then it
was Zack Martin.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Yeah. I think the essence, I think the best way
to describe that in hindsight is Jerry was enamored with
the idea of having, you know, a quarterback transition. We
had Tony Romo at the time. He loved the idea
of Montana to Steve young Farv to Rogers, those kinds
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of things. So he was being forward looking on who
is the next quarterback for the Cowboys and not being
afraid to draft that guy. And he really liked Johnny Manziel.
But it worked out the way an opportunity to against
Zach Martin and we all embraced that.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You gotta smile on your face.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
So he's only made he's only made ten straight Pro ball.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I know you made the right call, but it felt
like that's where Jerry could have used veto power to say, Nope,
we're going to take Johnny Manziel. He likes he likes
shiny objects, so Johnny was a shiny object.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Well the shiny object there was. Zach Martin was the
blinking light on the draft board, Like, this is the guy,
he's graded way higher than everybody else, let's take him.
And we followed that blinking light.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Have we gotten to the point where we've taken Mahomes
for granted that we just expect him. You know, we
did this with Tom, we did this with Michael George.
I mean, we do this with greatness. But have we
done that with Mahomes that we just assume he's going
to be great and we assume they're going to be
a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Yes, we have gotten to that point, and that just
the way it is in society. It's human nature. But
you know one thing that I was so amazed by,
and I've said this out loud a few times. I
thought what they did at the end of last year
was remarkable. I thought it was Andy Reid's best coaching
job he's ever done. If you think think about how
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much they were flopping around on offense all year long.
They were playing really good defense, but they weren't good
on offense. They were trying to find their way. And
it's almost like some guys got into a room and said, Okay,
enough of that. This is what we're doing. And I
saw it with my own eyes. I said, they're gonna
hand it to Pacheco, They're gonna throw it to Kelsey,
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they're gonna throw it to Rashi Rice, period. And if
anybody else gets it, that's fine. But these guys are
the guys that we're going to give the ball to.
And if you watch them the last part of the
season and through the playoffs, that's exactly what they did.
We did the Kansas City Miami game, the really cold game,
Mike Tariko and I and I'm watching them like this
is what they're gonna do, and it's exactly what they did.
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It's like, we're gonna throw it to the guys that
we have complete faith and confidence in and we're gonna
roll right through this. And they just got the rack
together and played so confidently and decisively in the biggest moments.
Their defense played great and it was really fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But also you saw this transition of they realized they
were a defensive team.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
First.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It wasn't usually you think Mahomes and Kelsey and Andy
that is going to be offense. That they realized they're
going to lean on their defense the way the defense
used to lean on the offense. That game against the Raiders,
where they got embarrassed, they got humbled. I thought that
was the you know, you don't want to want to
have a loss, a good loss, but that was a
good loss because that woke them up and they realized,
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we can't win this way.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
We got to win another way, right.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
And I do think that consciously or subconsciously, they had
the standard of their success in the past in the
back of their minds, like, Okay, this is the offense
that we've been we got to try to get back there.
And then they looked at each other and said, Okay,
that guy's playing in Miami. That's guys no longer with us. Okay,
here's what we got. How do we maximize this group?
And I'm sure there was a meeting after that game
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that you're referred to. I'm sure there was a meeting
where they said, Okay, what are we doing and who
can we trust? These are the guys who can trust
build it around them, and that's what they did, and
that's why I thought it was so remarkable. They still
relied on their defense, but their offense played plenty well
enough through the playoffs and they were fantastic. And the
coaches on another level and the quarterbacks on another level.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Great to talk to. You has always have fun with
the season. Notre dame as well. Thank you for joining us, Jason.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Always enjoy it. Thanks Dan, Jasing Gerrett.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (31:39):
Tom Berducci MLB Network, Fox Sports Analyst and he'll be
on the call with Bob Constace Braves in the Phillies
on MLB Network and that'll be coming up tonight. How
about that? Are the White Socks supposed to list the
official attendance on their box score?
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Tom of course they are. I do think they get
a pass in this case the doubleheader. I think they
picked up a suspended game, so that may have been
the explanation, but it shouldn't have taken long to count
whoever was there?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
All right, what's tougher that Three years ago? I think
the White Sox had what ninety three wins? And now
they're going to be They're on a historical pace to
the Royals with one hundred and six losses last year
to now threatening to be in first place in their division.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm going with the Royals, Dad, I mean, this
is amazing. One hundred and six losses, fifty games under
five hundred and yeah, they could win the division. They're
only three games behind New York for the best record
and the number one seed of the American League. That's crazy, right, Yeah,
So we think they're going to be this good? No way,
And I doubt even the Royals would tell you that.
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Did they think they'd be better? Of course, it's hard
to be worse, but nobody saw this team coming to
this extent, But.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How do you like that?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
We don't see a dramatic turnaround like this hasn't happened
since the early nineteen hundreds. I think with a turnaround
like this, hey, how do you unless they really, really
really underachieved and then they're overachieving this year, But how
do you explain a team losing one hundred and six
games to them like there's hope for the White Sox
next year?
Speaker 9 (33:12):
Then I guess, yeah, well, you know, it's kind of
the worst nightmare for those teams that like the Tank
that just right off three, four or five years and
say we're not ready to win, so we're not going
to spend money. They lost one hundred and six and
they went out and spent one hundred million dollars. You know,
they went and signed veteran pitchers like Seth Lugo and
Michael Waka and altfielder Hunter Renfro and they're like, you
know what, we think we have a pretty good young core.
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We don't have enough, so let's add some high character guys,
especially Dan. Getting pitchers who are giving them innings has
been huge for them. You've got Seattle and Kansas City,
they're the only two teams in baseball that I say
are winning the war of attrition because that's what pitching is, right.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
They have four.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
Starting pitchers who are qualified per ERA. That means they
have enough innings right, Basically, they've made every start the
same four guys throughout the season. That's a huge help.
And the other thing is, you know they don't strike out.
Dan You look at this team, they're the best team
in baseball with runners at the scoring position. That's not
an accident because they just put the ball in play.
And we've gone through so many years recently with let's
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hit home runs, we don't care if we strike out.
This is a team that does put a premium on
putting the ball in play.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
But I don't know why it's not a premium for
everybody else to just I don't get it that if
I look at the.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Teams that the teams that have strike out the fews
this year, you've got San Diego's number one, right, And
they want to trade for a guy like Luis O'reis,
who a lot of the stat heads don't really like
because he's not really a high walk, high power guy.
He just happens to get a base a lot with
base hits, so that works well in their lineup. You know,
you've got Arizona, You've got Kansas City, You've got Cleveland,
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you've got Houston. These teams don't strike out and they're
fun to watch because of that. So listen, they've also
got Bobby Wood Junior, who's like superstar beyond superstar.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
We can't overlook that.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
I mean, that's you talk about going from one level
to an He went from really good to superstar overnight.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
In the second half of the season. It's been unbelievable.
I know Aaron Judge is going to be the MVP,
but Bobby Witt Junior. I mean that that it might
be more impressive because of where he was to where
he is as opposed to we expected Judge, you know,
to be this kind of player.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
Yeah, listen, we knew he was a good player, right
number one pick, great, unbelievable speed. But I remember seeing
him at the WBC for Team USA a couple of
years ago. That dude was riding the bench and he
had a smile on his face the whole time. He's like,
I'm hanging out with Mike Trout and Mookie Betts and
all these guys. I'm sure he learned a lot from
that experience, even though he didn't play.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
A whole lot.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
And yeah, you watch him play now, and I think
he's the second or third fastest guy in baseball. He's
a big dude. You see him up close. I mean
he's six three, two hundred, absolutely can fly. I love
watching that guy run a triple. Yeah, I mean he's
just hey for a high average now, like a lot
of people didn't think that was going to come this quickly.
For Yeah, listen, I think Judge is likely the MVP.
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Den I don't think he's got it completely locked up.
I mean, what if Kansas City continues to run the
table in September, he has a huge month. I'm like
a guy, I'm gonna come to MVPs. I don't like
identifying a guy. Then you feel like you have to
stick with that guy, that horse that you picked in
the race, right, And I do think September means a
little bit more as long as you're in a race.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The entire sport of baseball, if you picked one, MVP
would be who.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Wow. It's hard not to go with Showhy. I mean
he just internationally his popularity is just incredible. But I
think what Judge is doing is just remarkable. I would
say that because this is we know, we talk about
it all the time. Pitching velocities up, there's more spin
than ever. It's so hard to hit with the second
worst year to hit him since the man was lowered
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than sixty nine. And you got this guy just going off,
you know, chasing sixty two, hitting well over three hundred,
playing center field at six foot seven, six foot eight.
So I think it's Judge he's got. He wears the pinstripes.
He wears them really well. If you watch him play
every day. Besides the highlights you see of the home runs, Dan,
I'm sure you understand this. He's a baseball player man.
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He runs the base as well, defends well, just a
very very smart baseball player.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
If I looked at Otani and I said, I gave
you an over under of twenty five starts next year
as a pitcher for Otani, would you go over under?
Speaker 9 (37:29):
That's a good number. I was just thinking, so as
you mentioned that, I think it's a good number. I
would probably go under. And I'll tell you why. We've
seen a lot of guys come back from Tommy John
surgery really struggle. Look at me, look at Walker Buehler.
He's still not back and that was more than a
year and a half ago. Now Showy will have more
than a year, more than fifteen months since the surgery.
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That works in his favor. But if you watch the Dodgers,
the way they use load management with their pitchers, whether
it's Glass now Yawamoto, all these guys, even Kershaw, in
the last four or five years, they back off their
starting pitchers. So I'm sure they'll go into plan next
year with show Hey, like how do we get him
to October so that he's starting Game one in the postseason,
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and that could be as few as twenty starts. It
certainly won't be pitching every fifth day, probably not even
every sixth day. It might be every seventh day. So
I can see them really being very, very careful, especially
the first half of the season with show A coming
off the surgery.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
But he didn't have Tommy john surgery correct well.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
Yes and no, I mean there was an internal brace
procedure in there. He put it this way, he had
a second procedure done on the same elbow. You know,
not everybody is getting to Tommy John's You're absolutely right,
it's not the same exact surgery as the full blown
but they're going to be super careful.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Okay, but could Tommy John become obsolete?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Like are we you know Aaron Rodgers doctor with you know,
his achilles and the same doctor who operated on show? Hey,
could it be the what's his name Ella Tosh or something?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, couldn't.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Yeah, he's I don't know, Dan, I think I think
these things are progressing. I mean, when was Tommy John
surgery was like nineteen seventy four, seventy five at seventies, Right,
there's a long time ago. It's worked really well. But
now they do have this these new procedures where it's
not as severe so to speak, and guys are coming
back a little bit quicker. But I think it's still
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the gold standard. If it also depends on.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
How bad you blow out your elbow.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
I think if you really blow it out, you probably
do need the Tommy John.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, because we could just call it the Otani the surgery.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I mean give him credit down to it's like Aaron
Rodgers with the achilles. I mean, he got back a
lot faster than anybody thought he was going to.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
Yeah, I don't know about you, But I'm always amazed
by show Hey. I mean, I hope people don't take
him for granted. I mean, this year is just incredible.
He has got the possibility of fifty to fifty. You know,
last night, people are lined up if I have in
the morning for a seven o'clock game for his Bobblehead
with his dog Decoy, And of course Decoy does a
perfect pitch for the first pitch of the game. I
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remember talking to show Hey in January when he came
to New York and went to his hotel to see him,
to talk to him, and he obviously the dog was
just a puppy that and he tells me that the
dog is bilingual, and I'm like, oh, that's just perfect.
That's show Hey Otani. He does everything well as a
dog as bilingual.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Who do you like for the World Series?
Speaker 9 (40:30):
Well, I pick originally was Philly and Baltimore. I still
like Philly. There's scuffling, there's no doubt right now. Trade
Turner and Bryce Harper hit a little bit of a
lull here, but I still liked him in the postseason
with that pitching staff. Swarez is back doing well. I'm
not his soul anymore on Baltimore. As I was Dan,
I didn't think they had a real good trade deadline.
I thought there were one or two power arms away
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from being a World Series team. And what they did
basically is they took on projects from other teams like
Greg Rissoto and sar Anthony Dominguez couldn't pitch at the
back end of the Philadelphia bullpen because they didn't throw
enough strikes. They're like, oh, we'll take them on. Trevor
Rodgers in Miami was really scuffling. They're like, we'll take
him on. We'll straighten him out. You need plug and
play guys. When it comes to trade deadline, you've got
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two months. You know, there's no on the job training
at that point. So I was disappointed because I love
the team. They hit home runs, they're going to be dangerous,
they play the game hard, they're athletic. I just think
they're missing some power arms who throws strikes, either in
the rotation and the bullpen.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Could you see in twenty years from now we recognize
Aaron Judges the single season home run champ.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Unofficially, yes, I don't see it officially. I think people
look at it now like look at it. He's the
fifth guy. Now they hit fifty home runs three seasons.
So you've got MacGuire, Sosa and Alex Rodriguez. We kind
of to me, anyway, push them off to the side,
because you know they had help in doing that. If
you talk about doing fifty three times and doing it
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without question authentically, you got Aaron Judging, you got Babe Ruth.
Speaker 7 (42:01):
That's it.
Speaker 9 (42:02):
And I don't think you need an ask the risk.
I just don't see baseball ever going down that road.
Dan to officially change the record book, but common sense
tells you they're not all created the same, these records.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I also love the stolen bases back. I mean, yeah,
Alex Rodriguez once told me, I said, why don't you
steal bases anymore? And he says, they don't pay me
to steal bases. I mean, Elie de la Cruz. There's movement,
there's excitement there, and I hope it continues because it's
just it's better for the game.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'm watching a Little League World Series and I'm going,
that's how you play baseball. You know, it's a bund
it's moving a runner over, it's you know, just fundamentally,
it was more aesthetically a pleasing than a base A
major league game was.
Speaker 9 (42:50):
One hundred percent right, Dan. One of the great things
about baseball I love is not so much the action
that's cool, but the anticipation of action. And so when
now you have the possibilit of a stolen base, you
had the anticipation of action, then sometimes you get the
action itself as well. So, Dan, you sound like a
purist who loves the game of baseball played at a
high level and with diversity. You must love the way
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Milwaukee Brewers played baseball because they run like Pat Murphy.
We know he coached in college Arizona State in Notre Dame.
Watching them is like watching the college team because they
run all the time and they run into out sometimes,
but they are super aggressive. Quick story for you. Garrett
Mitchell is one of their young players, gets on first
base and Tyler Glasno's pitch for the Dodgers. He's slow
(43:34):
to the plates. One run game, there's two outs. It's
an obvious run situation, and for some reason he had
not running. One pitch, two pitches, three pitch four. Murphy
yells down to Freddie Freeman, the Dodgers' first baseman, Freddy
tell him to run, and Freddy yells out to the
infield he's running.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
And he did run.
Speaker 9 (43:56):
The next pitch, but rees Hoskins was the battery put
it in play. But Brady said that was the first
time he ever had to relay signals for the opposing manager.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
That's the Brewers have fun tonight with Bob Costas.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Tom will be on the call Braves at the Phillies
on MLB Network at seven Eastern.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Thank you, Tom, Yeah, thanks always a pleasure.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
Dad.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Thanks Tom Berducci, MLB Network and Fox Sports analyst and reporter.
Also works for Sports Illustrated
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Steelers finally got a round naming Russell Wilson their starter,
and the only team left is the Patriots. Marvin just
said to me moments ago, Patriots have named their starting quarterback.
How about we play guess who the Patriots have named
as their starting quarterback?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Game? All right, everybody, I'm your host, wink Marvindale. Hey,
I'm here. We're gonna play name that starting quarterback for
the Patriots. Okay, you know what. We're gonna start off
with our producer, Paully Paps.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Okay, Paul, a lot of pressure. I'm gonna go right
with my first answer. Jacoby Brissett. All right, Todd, it
won't be May in September.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Bressett.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
See, I'm going with Brissette as well. I'm gonna go, well,
that's no fun if we all go Presette unless we're
all wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm going Drake May. Oh okay, you know what. Let's
hear from the man himself, Gerrodmeo.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett
will be our starting quarterback this season. Now, I'm saying
that as an organization, we're one hundred percent behind Jacoby.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
There is no.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
You know, you got a guy right here, you got
a guy right there. We're one hundred percent behind Jacoby.
And I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I
had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately and also together,
and I feel like we're all on the same page
from an organizational perspective.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Right. It's not exciting, but it is smart. I agree
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And the only thing I thought was when he got
banged up the last game on Sunday night, if the
shoulder was banged up where he couldn't play, then Drake
may was going to play. But it felt like that's
the cautionary tale here, and certainly with the lack of talent, skill,
position talent, I would go with Jacoby Brussette as well.
(01:57):
And yes, you're going to be all the way in
on Jacoby Brussett until you're not all in on Jacoby Brissette,
because that's how it works. It's just like it feels
like the media is waiting for Justin Fields to take
over for Russell Wilson. Russ is going to be your starter.
In fact, here's Mike Tomlin finally getting around to making
the announcement.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I met with both quarterbacks here just a few minutes
ago after practice, and I informed them that Russ's QB
one going into Riek one. It was a difficult decision,
but not difficult in a negative way, to be quite
honest with you, It was difficult in a positive way.
The decision was difficult because of what they're capable of doing.
The decision was difficult because of how they've conducted themselves
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as opposed to the things that they fall short in
in terms of capabilities or negative conduct.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, let's play the which quarterback plays first? Justin Fields
in Pittsburgh or Drake May with the Patriots? Which one
of those quarterbacks will get the starting role? Todd, I'll
start with you, which quarterback of those two starts first.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think Justin Fields comes in for Russ first.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, not sure why you delivered it that way, but okay, Seaton,
it's almost like the Simpsons. I'm going Drake May, Drake
Man for sure, Marvin Drake May, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I'm gonna call my weekend game Drake May week seven
against Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh okay, I'm gonna go Drake May as well.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It feels like the media.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know if this is happening in Pittsburgh, but
it feels like nationally we're kind of going, well, will
Russ make it to Thanksgiving? Russ had better numbers last year.
I know numbers can lie. Better numbers than Patrick Mahomes did.
He had twenty six touchdowns, eight interceptions. Pittsburgh would kill
for that. They would take that all day, all season.
(03:52):
But sometimes those numbers lie. When did you get those numbers?
Were there times when you were blown out and you
put up some decent numbers? What did you do in
crunch time with those numbers? But it feels like we're
already circling on the calendar when Justin Fields is taking
over for Russ. It's wishful reporting, is what is happening here.
(04:13):
Russ has had what nine really good seasons and then
he's had two bad seasons, nine Pro Bowls. Still, it
feels like, Okay, Seattle kicked him to the curb, Denver
kicked him to the curb. Well, he must be washed.
I'd like to see how this goes. You know, obviously
(04:35):
with Mike Tomlin offensive line, I've got questions about you
do have some skilled position players, you got running game,
and this might be just Russ. Go out there and
manage the game for us. We don't need you to
be superman, no herculean task. Just go out there and play,
and let's try not to take sacks and make mistakes.
(04:56):
And that's probably what Mike Tomlin's going to lean on.
Let's be conservative ish. But they've had hard times, you know,
scoring in the preseason. I know it's preseason, but I
would be a little bit concerned, Like you want to
see something in Denver. I got to see bo Nicks
lead them. I think he was in for seven drives.
They scored touchdowns on six of them. I like it.
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It's better than the alternative of seven drives and we
have one touchdown. But all you want to do is
are we headed in the right direction? And it feels
like with that offensive line and some doubt with that
justin Fields, feels like he'll get a chance to play.
And the question is does Russ give up that opportunity
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because he doesn't play well or does he get banged up?
Do they need a spark at some point? Once again,
you're in a division where the last plays team could
win the division. This year, the Cincinnati Bengals. The Ravens
will still be good. Cleveland might figure it out, and
they certainly played well last year without Nashaun Watson and
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Nick Chubb, so I wouldn't rule them out winning the division.
And then you have Pittsburgh as well, so New England
I certainly understand it. You want to have Drake may
watch a little bit. I didn't think he was ready.
Told he wasn't ready, though we had really good moments.
It's weird he outplayed Jacoby Brissett. But he's not going
(06:21):
to get the job because he's not ready for the job.
And I think what Gerard Mayo is doing as a
rookie head coach. Let me just go out there with
somebody that I'm familiar with, team's familiar with, and he
knows how to play the position, not at a high level,
but at a level good enough for what the New
England Patriots are going to be. All right, good morning
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(07:23):
I think we've got a snarky pole question for the
first hour, as we often do. I mean, I'll let
you guess who sent in the snarky poll. I'm gonna
say Paulie. Yet now look at you. You're on fire today.
Which quarterback debut are you most interested in? Russell Wilson,
(07:43):
Aaron Rodgers We could put on there because last year
didn't really count. Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold Gardner, Minshew, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Snarky Who.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Didn't see that coming, Dan Patrick? No, I did not, No,
I kept going, where's the Snarkit there?
Speaker 7 (08:04):
It is?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh yeah, right there? Oh yeah, yeah, I understand the question.
There with Tom with his debut.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Wow, really got you on that miss. I think Brady's
going to do great.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I do you know, it's it's not about your knowledge,
it's about your ability to do TV. Tom asked to
understand how to do TV. He already has the knowledge.
It's can you get in and out in fifteen seconds?
Can you see what the defense just did or the
offense just did. Get in, get out, explain it, and
then allow your play by play man to come in.
(08:46):
You know that's going to be kind of the synchronicity
with him and Kevin Burkhart is. And you get into
that flow, get into the rhythm, and then you understand timing.
What is fifteen seconds? What is you know? Eighteen seconds? Hey,
he got to get back to the action. Hey, you're
going too long. Somebody's talking in your ear? What are
you telling me? What are you showing me? Breaking down things?
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And I think Brady already knows that. It's the ability
to do it in a timely fashion. It's the hardest
thing that I taught analysts when they came to Sports
Center or Football Night in America. They don't know how
long thirty seconds is. They don't know how long seventeen
seconds is when you say, hey, you got to wrap
it up, and you're talking in somebody's ear, the director,
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and then they still have to say something on TV
at the same time. There's a lot of moving parts there,
and I think Tom will be great because of the
information that he will impart. I got caught up in
this a long long time ago when Troy Aikman was
first going to do football as an analyst, and I
met with him in Saint Louis. We're at Joe Buck's
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golf tournament, and I sat down and did an interview
with him, and I said, can you be critical? And
he said, I don't have to to be critical. I
have to do my job. I have to be an
analyst here. It's not you go out of your way
to go you know that team is terrible because there's
certain ways you can say things.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I'm paraphrasing what Troy said to me.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I wondered if marquee players, Hall of Fame players can
be analytically critical when they're looking at a coach, at
a player, at a quarterback, at a team, and how
often you do that, because certain players have a hard
time doing that because they got friends in the business.
Your job is to us. Your job is to your audience.
(10:35):
That's the most important thing, not my former teammates. And
that's what I'm curious about with Tom. You know, how
do you go about being critical or how do you
go about analyzing in a way that's going to be
perceived as negative? And that's everything else. I think he'll
be fine, but it's going to be that. Let me
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get into the rhythm there the first quarter and understanding
it's just like playing the game. You can simulate everything
you want, but you can't simulate because you don't know
what's going to happen. When it happens, Now, how do
you react? That'll be the important part. Does Tom tell
us before ahead, ahead of time? Just like Tony Romo?
(11:18):
You know, you had analysts who kind of got caught
up in they wanted to do what Romo was doing,
or maybe they was told by their bosses, Hey, don't
be afraid to be noster damis here. Tell us what
might happen here? And Tony did that, and then Tony
it felt like stop doing that as much as he
used to. I don't know if Tom Brady's going to
be that way. I like it when they say, hey,
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there's a blitz coming off the edge here. Like, I
like knowing that, although there were times when you would
have Tony maybe say something and it didn't happen. Then
you're like, uh, Jim, I think they're going to run
here and then and they're back to pass. You know,
but you know, Romo caught us off guard, which like, wow.
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I remember Rich Eisen saying he saw his audition and
said Romo was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I don't know. I know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Tom Brady's done some games, practice games, preseason games. It's
just different. I can go in and rehearse for Football
Night in America or an Olympic broadcast, but it's not
the same because it's going to change right in front
of you. Now, how do you react, Hey, this guy's
going to win. They're going to win. He's going to
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be great until he's Aaron Rodgers is out after four plays? Okay,
Now what are you doing? Your job just changed? That's
how quickly it happens. Blink of an eye. Something changes.
And Tom's ability to be able to react to that
is going to be interesting to listen to. And I
do think that they're going to show him on TV.
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A lot more than now. I don't know if this
will work with other networks. I was told, like coming
out of commercial break, that they might establish Tom and
Kevin and give them more camera time because they want
to make it seem like it's not just a voice
you're listening to. They want to have Tom Brady is
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at that game and you get to see Tom Brady.
He's not gonna be in studio. You want to make
it feel like there's a studio feel out at the game.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I don't know how often they're gonna do it, but
I was told they're going to try to incorporate more
of those on camera.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman do that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Collinsworth does that with Mike, Tarico did that with Al
michaels Al does that with Herbie. I think you're going
to see a lot a lot of that with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
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Speaker 3 (14:01):
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Speaker 1 (14:05):
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Speaker 7 (14:07):
Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. You took those clips
totally of context.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
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Speaker 1 (14:16):
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Speaker 3 (14:19):
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Speaker 1 (14:25):
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Speaker 2 (14:28):
He is Jason Garrett Football Night in America studio analyst.
The season begins on NBC and Peacock Chiefs and Ravens.
That'll be the Thursday night game and then Friday you're
gonna have football on Peacock as well, where the Eagles
and the Packers. And Jason also serves as a game
analyst for Notre Dame working with Dan hicks.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
You're busy. Look at you. You're like Belichick. You got
a lot of jobs here.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
A lot of jobs. Yeah. Excited about the start of
football season, though, dan.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Let me. I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The Patriots name Jacoby Brissett as their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Give me that philosophy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Do you think with girod Mayo rookie coach, going with
a little more experienced quarterback instead of his rookie quarterback?
Speaker 7 (15:14):
You know, I agree with the decision. I keep thinking
back of what Andy Reid did in Kansas City with
Patrick Mahomes and just the idea that you draft the
guy high. You know he's going to be your quarterback
of the future. But in Kansas City they had Alex Smith.
Alex is going to play this year. Patrick, You're going
to learn, And I think that's probably going to be
a similar situation for Drake may in New England. And
(15:37):
Jacoby Brissett's an accomplished player, He's played a lot of football.
He'll do a good job for them. I don't think
they're a great team right now. I don't think the
environment is great, So you'd probably rather have a veteran
guy who can handle that the ups and downs of it,
maybe a little bit better than a rookie. And Drake
will learn at some point this season. I suspect he
(15:58):
plays a little bit and he'll be their quarterback of
the future. He certainly showed a lot in the preseason
for Patriots fans to be excited about.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
What do you need to see from a rookie in
preseason that would lead you to believe that he could
be your starting quarterback week one.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
You know, we had Dak Prescott, we drafted him in
the fourth round in twenty sixteen, but you know, Tony
Romo was going to be our quarterback, and Kellen Moore
was going to be our backup, and Dak was going
to be our third guy. And you know, Dak just
played so well at the outset that we felt really
good about him, but you know he wasn't going to play.
Kellen gets hurt in the preseason, Tony gets hurt in
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the preseason. All of a sudden, you go from three
to one, and we're all looking at each other like, okay,
we got to figure out how we create an environment
for Dak to play well. And we lost our first game.
They won an eleven in a row, and then we
ended up winning thirteen games. So it wasn't by design.
That's not what we intended to do, but I thought
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we were responded well to create an environment for him.
And I think what you do as a staff, as
you say, Okay, what does this guy do? Well? What
has he shown us? Let's try to feature that. I
don't know that there's any litmus tests that you say, Okay,
I need to see this in order for him to play.
The different situations are what they are. I think it
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makes sense for Jade and Daniels to play in Washington
and for Caleb Williams to play in Chicago. But you
know they have Jakobe. They did that on purpose. Their
team isn't necessarily great. Why not let them wait? He
hasn't played as much football as Jayden Daniels did in college,
so maybe he's a little less experienced. And I don't
mind this route at all.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Tom Brady came out recently and said that it's a
tragedy we're dumbing offenses down for these quarterbacks, and I
disagreed because a lot of these quarterbacks have played for
two different schools. And you know you saw that with
bo Nicks and Jade and Daniels, Caleb Williams. They're coming
in at twenty three, twenty four, they've already been paid money.
I mean, they're ready to go so I know, Tom,
(18:07):
it sounds like they get off my lawn. Back in
my day, this is the way we do it. But
are they dumbing down offenses for Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams
and bow Nix this year?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
You know, it's a great conversation. I think the kids
growing up these days are so much more advanced in
some ways than the quarterbacks way back, when you know,
there's all these seven on seven leagues, there's all this
exposure when they're really young to throw in the football.
You know, they have these summer leagues, and so there's
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a lot of throwing and catching going on in this
generation that didn't happen quite as much in previous generations.
So I think in some ways they're really advanced. In
other ways they're not. To Tom Brady's point, I do
think there's like a simplicity that these guys grow up with.
You hear a lot of people say, hey, it's a
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one word play. The one word tells them everything to do.
Like back in the day, you know, the plays were longer.
You needed no formation, you need no variety of defenses,
you need all these things before you're ready to play.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Give me, give me an old school play call that
you remember.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Oh god, I'm gonna I'll give you an easy one. Okay,
explode to bunch right, motor scot right five twenty five
post swing right and that that's the digit system. And
so if you want to that's the Don Coriel, sid Gilman,
Ernie's MPs North Turner system, Mike Martz, those guys. There's
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also the West Coast system. Let me think of one
there far double wing right Z short seventy two flank
or drive. You know that that sort of a thing.
And you know, they get much longer than that if
you have shifts and motions and all of that. And
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I'm not necessarily advocating that, but there has been an evolution.
And I do think you have to be careful of saying, Okay,
we're going to just make it easy on the player
and kind of dumb things down. I think you need
to challenge them. They're pro football players.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But if but if I look at now you go
to the line of scrimmage, I just have one word
and then then we're going to go to the other
play right.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Well, that's been in football forever. Yeah, they call them,
they used to call them. Check with me. You go
to the line of scrimmage. You have two plays. Then
they became what you call kills and cans. We're going
to run the first play to we kill it or
can it to the second play. That's been in football
for a long time. You know. Now they have three
and four and five plays and go to the line
of scrimmage with depending on your offense. But kids, you know,
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quarterbacks have grown up looking at the sideline and having
a coach hold us hold pictures up and nobody calls play.
So you know that's part of football. You don't want
to be like you said, the guy screaming, get off
my lawn. So there's an evolution there. But I also
think you need to challenge not only quarterbacks but all
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the players to be pro football players and to learn
and not to simplify it so much that you're not
as comprehensive as you used to be. You know, there's
an interesting thing, Dan that that a lot of very
smart people talk about. You need to you need to
understand learning styles of players. And I've had really good
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coaches share this with me and it's something that we
always valued. Okay, how does Dan Patrick learn? Okay, how
does Drake may learn, How does whoever learn? Are they
visual learners? Are they better watching film? Are they better
at walkthroughs? Whatever that is. I think it's important to
understand that. But if you if you are in football,
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you understand that. In a meeting, typically you'll see a
list of Okay, that's the game plan. It's a list,
and then that meeting will evolve too. We're going to
show you drawings of those plays, then we're going to
show you film of those plays. Then we're gonna go
walk through those plays. Then we're gonna go practice those plays.
Then we're going to come back afterwards and watch the
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film of those plays, and then we're going to walk
through them again. So whatever kind of learner you are,
the essence of teaching in football has been you're gonna
get it a lot of different ways. So to say
that he can't handle it, Patrick, you know he can't
handle it. So we're going to give them one word.
Sometimes I think you're diminishing the player. And I get
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things evolve, I get things grow. You want to keep
it simple for guys, but at the same time you
want to challenge them and help them be pro football players.
I think that's probably the essence of what Tom Brady
was talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Okay, that's fair, But also I think aren't we saying
to the entire offense, you guys need to learn to play.
So if I have one word and I say it's banana,
everybody knows what banana is. I don't have to give
the tight end or the line blocking assignments my running back.
So why not make it more simple so your entire
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team is they have to learn the system, not just
the quarterback. Who's then going to be the conductor to
the orchestra.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
It's a great question. But if you look at a
call sheet in the NFL, and I'm not necessarily advocating this,
there might be three hundred plays on an offensive call
sheet for a game. Now, you're not going to run
three hundred plays. If it's a good offensive day, you
run seventy of them. But there's a lot of different
situational things that you have to be prepared for. They
may or may not come up in a game. Right,
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So the question for me is, okay, let's use banana.
Let's use banana. They'll use avocado, we'll use orange, we'll
use apple, We'll use how many of those fruits and
vegetables can you use to get to the number of
plays that you want? And my experience has been for
me when you're saying, Okay, banana means all these things,
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apple means all these things, Arizona means all these things.
Your your brain only can handle so much of that
stuff and know all the little specific intricacies of all
the different things. Sometimes you want to tell a guy, hey,
you know five point twenty five f posts. The f
is running a post. Now, we used to call that
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Ernie because it was Ernie Zampezi. Right. We evolved to
a word too, Scott, Right, Ernie got it. Okay, But
if you want to have the number of plays that
you want and all the volume you have in your offense,
you run out of fruits and states.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
And okay, how about we do this though, Jason, how
about we just go I'm going to throw the ball
on a post pattern to Michael Irvin.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, that's the play. What's the protection? Just the formation?
Just just just protect me.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Just it feels like you guys like having your own language.
You know that somebody has oily hips or they're a wastebender,
or you know, there's always some new three technique. There's
every year that you've got to have a new one.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Here.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's like you guys are lawyers and you're speaking to
one another.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Well, it's a great point. I do think descriptions are great.
But if you said, okay, instead of calling Aaron Donald
a three technique, if every time you refer to the
position he played as he's the guy that lines up
on the outside shoulder of the left guard, you'd rather
just say he's the three technique.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Right now, I would just say it's Aaron Donald, like
I don't need to tell you anything other than that's
Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He doesn't have a position to me. He's just to
line up though.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah he knows where to line up wherevery damn well
pleases to line up. We're talking to Jason Garrett, NBC
Football Night in America studio analyst. Did you ever get
involved in contract negotiation? Not really, No, not specifically. I
mean we talked about the macro ideas of it, but
(26:07):
never specifically with the numbers. Will you ever asked about
a certain player? Oh constantly, No, But with money attached
to it, you have.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Those discussions all the time. You're always thinking about Okay,
the priorities. You know, this is a guy that we
should go pay. We needed to pay Zach Martin. It's
a six time pro bowler. Let's go pay Zach. I
don't know if it's fifteen million dollars, sixteen million dollars, whatever,
you get it. The people who are doing the actual
negotiation get into all those specifics. But the essence of
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it is, we need them on our team.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But weren't you going to take Johnny Manziel Instead?
Speaker 7 (26:50):
We were not going to take Johnny Manzil. There's a
good story about that.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, it felt like the owner wanted to take him.
Maybe the GM didn't, or the GM wanted to and
the owner did. Wasn't that with Jerry that it felt
like Manziel? But then weiser heads prevailed and then it
was Zack Martin.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Yeah. I think the essence, I think the best way
to describe that in hindsight is Jerry was enamored with
the idea of having, you know, a quarterback transition. We
had Tony Romo at the time. He loved the idea
of Montana to Steve young Farv to Rogers, those kinds
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of things. So he was being forward looking on who
is the next quarterback for the Cowboys and not being
afraid to draft that guy. And he really liked Johnny Manziel.
But it worked out the way an opportunity to against
Zach Martin and we all embraced that.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You gotta smile on your face.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
So he's only made he's only made ten straight Pro ball.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I know you made the right call, but it felt
like that's where Jerry could have used veto power to say, Nope,
we're going to take Johnny Manziel. He likes he likes
shiny objects, so Johnny was a shiny object.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Well the shiny object there was. Zach Martin was the
blinking light on the draft board, Like, this is the guy,
he's graded way higher than everybody else, let's take him.
And we followed that blinking light.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Have we gotten to the point where we've taken Mahomes
for granted that we just expect him. You know, we
did this with Tom, we did this with Michael George.
I mean, we do this with greatness. But have we
done that with Mahomes that we just assume he's going
to be great and we assume they're going to be
a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Yes, we have gotten to that point, and that just
the way it is in society. It's human nature. But
you know one thing that I was so amazed by,
and I've said this out loud a few times. I
thought what they did at the end of last year
was remarkable. I thought it was Andy Reid's best coaching
job he's ever done. If you think think about how
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much they were flopping around on offense all year long.
They were playing really good defense, but they weren't good
on offense. They were trying to find their way. And
it's almost like some guys got into a room and said, Okay,
enough of that. This is what we're doing. And I
saw it with my own eyes. I said, they're gonna
hand it to Pacheco, They're gonna throw it to Kelsey,
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they're gonna throw it to Rashi Rice, period. And if
anybody else gets it, that's fine. But these guys are
the guys that we're going to give the ball to.
And if you watch them the last part of the
season and through the playoffs, that's exactly what they did.
We did the Kansas City Miami game, the really cold game,
Mike Tariko and I and I'm watching them like this
is what they're gonna do, and it's exactly what they did.
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It's like, we're gonna throw it to the guys that
we have complete faith and confidence in and we're gonna
roll right through this. And they just got the rack
together and played so confidently and decisively in the biggest moments.
Their defense played great and it was really fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But also you saw this transition of they realized they
were a defensive team.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
First.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It wasn't usually you think Mahomes and Kelsey and Andy
that is going to be offense. That they realized they're
going to lean on their defense the way the defense
used to lean on the offense. That game against the Raiders,
where they got embarrassed, they got humbled. I thought that
was the you know, you don't want to want to
have a loss, a good loss, but that was a
good loss because that woke them up and they realized,
(30:30):
we can't win this way.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
We got to win another way, right.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
And I do think that consciously or subconsciously, they had
the standard of their success in the past in the
back of their minds, like, Okay, this is the offense
that we've been we got to try to get back there.
And then they looked at each other and said, Okay,
that guy's playing in Miami. That's guys no longer with us. Okay,
here's what we got. How do we maximize this group?
And I'm sure there was a meeting after that game
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that you're referred to. I'm sure there was a meeting
where they said, Okay, what are we doing and who
can we trust? These are the guys who can trust
build it around them, and that's what they did, and
that's why I thought it was so remarkable. They still
relied on their defense, but their offense played plenty well
enough through the playoffs and they were fantastic. And the
coaches on another level and the quarterbacks on another level.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Great to talk to. You has always have fun with
the season. Notre dame as well. Thank you for joining us, Jason.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Always enjoy it. Thanks Dan, Jasing Gerrett.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Tom Berducci MLB Network, Fox Sports Analyst and he'll be
on the call with Bob Constace Braves in the Phillies
on MLB Network and that'll be coming up tonight. How
about that? Are the White Socks supposed to list the
official attendance on their box score?
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Tom of course they are. I do think they get
a pass in this case the doubleheader. I think they
picked up a suspended game, so that may have been
the explanation, but it shouldn't have taken long to count
whoever was there?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
All right, what's tougher that Three years ago? I think
the White Sox had what ninety three wins? And now
they're going to be They're on a historical pace to
the Royals with one hundred and six losses last year
to now threatening to be in first place in their division.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm going with the Royals, Dad, I mean, this
is amazing. One hundred and six losses, fifty games under
five hundred and yeah, they could win the division. They're
only three games behind New York for the best record
and the number one seed of the American League. That's crazy, right, Yeah,
So we think they're going to be this good? No way,
And I doubt even the Royals would tell you that.
(32:45):
Did they think they'd be better? Of course, it's hard
to be worse, but nobody saw this team coming to
this extent, But.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How do you like that?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
We don't see a dramatic turnaround like this hasn't happened
since the early nineteen hundreds. I think with a turnaround
like this, hey, how do you unless they really, really
really underachieved and then they're overachieving this year, But how
do you explain a team losing one hundred and six
games to them like there's hope for the White Sox
next year?
Speaker 9 (33:12):
Then I guess, yeah, well, you know, it's kind of
the worst nightmare for those teams that like the Tank
that just right off three, four or five years and
say we're not ready to win, so we're not going
to spend money. They lost one hundred and six and
they went out and spent one hundred million dollars. You know,
they went and signed veteran pitchers like Seth Lugo and
Michael Waka and altfielder Hunter Renfro and they're like, you
know what, we think we have a pretty good young core.
(33:33):
We don't have enough, so let's add some high character guys,
especially Dan. Getting pitchers who are giving them innings has
been huge for them. You've got Seattle and Kansas City,
they're the only two teams in baseball that I say
are winning the war of attrition because that's what pitching is, right.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
They have four.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
Starting pitchers who are qualified per ERA. That means they
have enough innings right, Basically, they've made every start the
same four guys throughout the season. That's a huge help.
And the other thing is, you know they don't strike out.
Dan You look at this team, they're the best team
in baseball with runners at the scoring position. That's not
an accident because they just put the ball in play.
And we've gone through so many years recently with let's
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hit home runs, we don't care if we strike out.
This is a team that does put a premium on
putting the ball in play.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
But I don't know why it's not a premium for
everybody else to just I don't get it that if
I look at the.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Teams that the teams that have strike out the fews
this year, you've got San Diego's number one, right, And
they want to trade for a guy like Luis O'reis,
who a lot of the stat heads don't really like
because he's not really a high walk, high power guy.
He just happens to get a base a lot with
base hits, so that works well in their lineup. You know,
you've got Arizona, You've got Kansas City, You've got Cleveland,
(34:46):
you've got Houston. These teams don't strike out and they're
fun to watch because of that. So listen, they've also
got Bobby Wood Junior, who's like superstar beyond superstar.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
We can't overlook that.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
I mean, that's you talk about going from one level
to an He went from really good to superstar overnight.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
In the second half of the season. It's been unbelievable.
I know Aaron Judge is going to be the MVP,
but Bobby Witt Junior. I mean that that it might
be more impressive because of where he was to where
he is as opposed to we expected Judge, you know,
to be this kind of player.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
Yeah, listen, we knew he was a good player, right
number one pick, great, unbelievable speed. But I remember seeing
him at the WBC for Team USA a couple of
years ago. That dude was riding the bench and he
had a smile on his face the whole time. He's like,
I'm hanging out with Mike Trout and Mookie Betts and
all these guys. I'm sure he learned a lot from
that experience, even though he didn't play.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
A whole lot.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
And yeah, you watch him play now, and I think
he's the second or third fastest guy in baseball. He's
a big dude. You see him up close. I mean
he's six three, two hundred, absolutely can fly. I love
watching that guy run a triple. Yeah, I mean he's
just hey for a high average now, like a lot
of people didn't think that was going to come this quickly.
For Yeah, listen, I think Judge is likely the MVP.
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Den I don't think he's got it completely locked up.
I mean, what if Kansas City continues to run the
table in September, he has a huge month. I'm like
a guy, I'm gonna come to MVPs. I don't like
identifying a guy. Then you feel like you have to
stick with that guy, that horse that you picked in
the race, right, And I do think September means a
little bit more as long as you're in a race.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The entire sport of baseball, if you picked one, MVP
would be who.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Wow. It's hard not to go with Showhy. I mean
he just internationally his popularity is just incredible. But I
think what Judge is doing is just remarkable. I would
say that because this is we know, we talk about
it all the time. Pitching velocities up, there's more spin
than ever. It's so hard to hit with the second
worst year to hit him since the man was lowered
(36:52):
than sixty nine. And you got this guy just going off,
you know, chasing sixty two, hitting well over three hundred,
playing center field at six foot seven, six foot eight.
So I think it's Judge he's got. He wears the pinstripes.
He wears them really well. If you watch him play
every day. Besides the highlights you see of the home runs, Dan,
I'm sure you understand this. He's a baseball player man.
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He runs the base as well, defends well, just a
very very smart baseball player.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
If I looked at Otani and I said, I gave
you an over under of twenty five starts next year
as a pitcher for Otani, would you go over under?
Speaker 9 (37:29):
That's a good number. I was just thinking, so as
you mentioned that, I think it's a good number. I
would probably go under. And I'll tell you why. We've
seen a lot of guys come back from Tommy John
surgery really struggle. Look at me, look at Walker Buehler.
He's still not back and that was more than a
year and a half ago. Now Showy will have more
than a year, more than fifteen months since the surgery.
(37:50):
That works in his favor. But if you watch the Dodgers,
the way they use load management with their pitchers, whether
it's Glass now Yawamoto, all these guys, even Kershaw, in
the last four or five years, they back off their
starting pitchers. So I'm sure they'll go into plan next
year with show Hey, like how do we get him
to October so that he's starting Game one in the postseason,
(38:13):
and that could be as few as twenty starts. It
certainly won't be pitching every fifth day, probably not even
every sixth day. It might be every seventh day. So
I can see them really being very, very careful, especially
the first half of the season with show A coming
off the surgery.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
But he didn't have Tommy john surgery correct well.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
Yes and no, I mean there was an internal brace
procedure in there. He put it this way, he had
a second procedure done on the same elbow. You know,
not everybody is getting to Tommy John's You're absolutely right,
it's not the same exact surgery as the full blown
but they're going to be super careful.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Okay, but could Tommy John become obsolete?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Like are we you know Aaron Rodgers doctor with you know,
his achilles and the same doctor who operated on show? Hey,
could it be the what's his name Ella Tosh or something?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, couldn't.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Yeah, he's I don't know, Dan, I think I think
these things are progressing. I mean, when was Tommy John
surgery was like nineteen seventy four, seventy five at seventies, Right,
there's a long time ago. It's worked really well. But
now they do have this these new procedures where it's
not as severe so to speak, and guys are coming
back a little bit quicker. But I think it's still
(39:28):
the gold standard. If it also depends on.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
How bad you blow out your elbow.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
I think if you really blow it out, you probably
do need the Tommy John.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, because we could just call it the Otani the surgery.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I mean give him credit down to it's like Aaron
Rodgers with the achilles. I mean, he got back a
lot faster than anybody thought he was going to.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
Yeah, I don't know about you, But I'm always amazed
by show Hey. I mean, I hope people don't take
him for granted. I mean, this year is just incredible.
He has got the possibility of fifty to fifty. You know,
last night, people are lined up if I have in
the morning for a seven o'clock game for his Bobblehead
with his dog Decoy, And of course Decoy does a
perfect pitch for the first pitch of the game. I
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remember talking to show Hey in January when he came
to New York and went to his hotel to see him,
to talk to him, and he obviously the dog was
just a puppy that and he tells me that the
dog is bilingual, and I'm like, oh, that's just perfect.
That's show Hey Otani. He does everything well as a
dog as bilingual.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Who do you like for the World Series?
Speaker 9 (40:30):
Well, I pick originally was Philly and Baltimore. I still
like Philly. There's scuffling, there's no doubt right now. Trade
Turner and Bryce Harper hit a little bit of a
lull here, but I still liked him in the postseason
with that pitching staff. Swarez is back doing well. I'm
not his soul anymore on Baltimore. As I was Dan,
I didn't think they had a real good trade deadline.
I thought there were one or two power arms away
(40:51):
from being a World Series team. And what they did
basically is they took on projects from other teams like
Greg Rissoto and sar Anthony Dominguez couldn't pitch at the
back end of the Philadelphia bullpen because they didn't throw
enough strikes. They're like, oh, we'll take them on. Trevor
Rodgers in Miami was really scuffling. They're like, we'll take
him on. We'll straighten him out. You need plug and
play guys. When it comes to trade deadline, you've got
(41:12):
two months. You know, there's no on the job training
at that point. So I was disappointed because I love
the team. They hit home runs, they're going to be dangerous,
they play the game hard, they're athletic. I just think
they're missing some power arms who throws strikes, either in
the rotation and the bullpen.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Could you see in twenty years from now we recognize
Aaron Judges the single season home run champ.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Unofficially, yes, I don't see it officially. I think people
look at it now like look at it. He's the
fifth guy. Now they hit fifty home runs three seasons.
So you've got MacGuire, Sosa and Alex Rodriguez. We kind
of to me, anyway, push them off to the side,
because you know they had help in doing that. If
you talk about doing fifty three times and doing it
(41:57):
without question authentically, you got Aaron Judging, you got Babe Ruth.
Speaker 7 (42:01):
That's it.
Speaker 9 (42:02):
And I don't think you need an ask the risk.
I just don't see baseball ever going down that road.
Dan to officially change the record book, but common sense
tells you they're not all created the same, these records.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I also love the stolen bases back. I mean, yeah,
Alex Rodriguez once told me, I said, why don't you
steal bases anymore? And he says, they don't pay me
to steal bases. I mean, Elie de la Cruz. There's movement,
there's excitement there, and I hope it continues because it's
just it's better for the game.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'm watching a Little League World Series and I'm going,
that's how you play baseball. You know, it's a bund
it's moving a runner over, it's you know, just fundamentally,
it was more aesthetically a pleasing than a base A
major league game was.
Speaker 9 (42:50):
One hundred percent right, Dan. One of the great things
about baseball I love is not so much the action
that's cool, but the anticipation of action. And so when
now you have the possibilit of a stolen base, you
had the anticipation of action, then sometimes you get the
action itself as well. So, Dan, you sound like a
purist who loves the game of baseball played at a
high level and with diversity. You must love the way
(43:13):
Milwaukee Brewers played baseball because they run like Pat Murphy.
We know he coached in college Arizona State in Notre Dame.
Watching them is like watching the college team because they
run all the time and they run into out sometimes,
but they are super aggressive. Quick story for you. Garrett
Mitchell is one of their young players, gets on first
base and Tyler Glasno's pitch for the Dodgers. He's slow
(43:34):
to the plates. One run game, there's two outs. It's
an obvious run situation, and for some reason he had
not running. One pitch, two pitches, three pitch four. Murphy
yells down to Freddie Freeman, the Dodgers' first baseman, Freddy
tell him to run, and Freddy yells out to the
infield he's running.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
And he did run.
Speaker 9 (43:56):
The next pitch, but rees Hoskins was the battery put
it in play. But Brady said that was the first
time he ever had to relay signals for the opposing manager.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
That's the Brewers have fun tonight with Bob Costas.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Tom will be on the call Braves at the Phillies
on MLB Network at seven Eastern.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Thank you, Tom, Yeah, thanks always a pleasure.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
Dad.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Thanks Tom Berducci, MLB Network and Fox Sports analyst and reporter.
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