September 23, 2024 • 39 mins
Former NFL quarterback Sean Salisbury stops by to discuss how Andy Dalton's performance Sunday will affect Bryce Young’s future in Carolina. And former NFL head coach Jon Gruden makes an appearance as he breaks down the NFL recent downtick in passing touchdowns and answers tough questions about his coaching future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sean Salisbury joins his former NFL quarterback and he's the
host of the Shawan Salisbury Show on Sports Talk seven
ninety in Houston. Let me start with a pet peeve,
and I don't know if it's a pet peev. Years
when teams get to the goal line and they run
a shotgun, what is wrong with just lining up over
center and doing old fashioned football of we're gonna run
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the ball, we're gonna we're gonna play power football instead
of I don't know, we wanted to we get style
points or something with the shotgun at the goal line.
I don't know if it bothers you, but it does me.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, yeah I did because I started. That was how
you did it, because you didn't. It used to be
that ninety percent of the time. You want to be
under center because you're afraid of death. The sitter couldn't
stand the gun staff. He had to take his eyes
off and move it around, and now he flipped it.
If you're under center, you're like, what's this crazy ass
old school football? These guys are playing And Michigan did
it to usc to meischa grin. It wasn't very good.
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But Dan, I'll tell you the story. A handful of
years ago, I went out to Las Vegas and was
training a quarterback who had just signed a Division one
scholarship and was getting ready to go play at a
Division one school. And it was the first time I
trained him because I was a training another guy who
brought him along. And so we get out there and
warm up and I say, get under center. We're going
to do We're gonna run three step hitches. The guy
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looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language
to him. Coach, I don't know how to take a
snap under center, honestly, guy, he'd never done it before,
and he was a couple months away from walking on
to a Division one program as football player. Now, listen,
I know there's different ways to do it. To me,
there's just more bad that can happen. It takes longer
to get to the line of scrimmage. Those guys are
driving in. I just don't understand why you don't have
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a package, say get the ball, get under center, play it.
There's a lot less wrong that can happen and under
center than the gun. But they flipped it. If you're
under center. You're an archaic and don't understand football these days.
I guess that's the way it's supposed to be. I'm
with you, center, Secure the ball first, and you got
much more of a chance. And that guy's hitting the
line quicker than you are when you're in the gun.
Takes too much time.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
All right, we'll get to the NFL. But let me
touch on your alma mater, as you did, USC not
closing the deal at Michigan and this felt like a
welcome to the Big ten moment. This is Michigan football,
this is Big ten football. Come on into our conference.
It's going to take you a while to play our
brand of football. What did you make of Michigan's philosophy
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and or USC's Well.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
They're probably not gonna be able to win mini games
against Big ten teams throwing for thirty five yards, but
they did against the Trojans. What it told me in
the start of that game, Dan, it was like, uh, oh,
we need a little more finesse Pac twelve football. And
then by the second half they did a great job,
as he did, of adjusting.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They really did. But that's going to be the test sixty.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I mean I know it sounds cliche, but sixty minutes
because Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan, that's how they're
going to win. And Dan when it's usually you got
to throw fifty times and run it fifteen times, you
don't win a lot of those games. But you can
run it forty times, throw it fifteen and throw for
one hundred yards and still win. So if you're gonna
go one dimensional, that's the dimension if you can dominate it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
But yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I do believe that. I think they said, you're coming
into our place. We're going to show you that we
can physically manhandle you at the line of scrimmage, and
if you can't run it or stop it, then welcome
to the Big ten and head back to the Pac twelve.
It was a great lesson for SC. But it's not
just being able to stop it in stints. In order
to be great in that conference or in the SEC,
you have got to stop it the entire game. And
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SC gave up way too many big plays in the
run game and it cost him in the end, even
though they played better in the second half.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It is real big boy football, and SC got a
taste of it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Former NFL quarterback USC quarterback Sean Salisbury joining us on
the program. More bothered by the first three quarters by
Dallas or the fourth quarter by Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Probably by ball. It happens.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know, you get down and all of a sudden
you're up and you feel like you're in a comfortable position.
So maybe you're soften up a little bit and expect
them they make them go the long way. You're not
giving up any big plays immediately. But the Cowboys did
a great job of battling back. We wouldn't expect Baltimore
to be in a position this long as an O
and two team. They're not an O and two team,
just like I wouldn't imagine Cincinnati's going to live there
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very often either. But the Cowboys, the concern for me
is how they're getting bullied and pushed around for a
lot of these games. Fortunately offensively, they were able to
come back and make some plays on the other side.
But you look Derrick Henry looked like he was twenty
five years old. Again, they were efficient in the past.
Game was Baldmo. They did everything right other than close
the way you'd want to and were able to do
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it in the end. But the Cowboys inconsistency of some
good and some bad kind of epitomizes who they've been, Dan,
and there was a lot of it felt like there
was a lot of in house bitching and complaining from
my vantage point on the eyes, and I think in
Dak's press conference, I think that's kind of what he
was leaning towards, saying, we got to be pros, gotta
stay focused. This team feels to be a little bit
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distracted by the simplest things, and they took a full
blown ass whipping for a lot of that game. They
can't continue to win like this if they're getting pushed
around on both sides of the ball, which the Cowboys
they're not used to doing that. On the defensive side,
they look different. Talk about a team that hasn't sustained
four quarters of good football in three weeks other than
the first game against Cleveland. Other than that, these next
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two they've had to fight and scratch, and you see
the result.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Are your Houston Texans getting a whole passed today. Maybe
people aren't you talking about that loss.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, the fact that the Astros can clinch the division tonight, Dan,
gives it a little more of a soft.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Sell and that's at home now. They're actually not.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
My head exploded yesterday watching Tonschell Tunsil illegal procedure for
the forty seventh time in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That's a big problem.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Undisciplined penalties, which bothers the Miko Ryanson should and Dan
there's a little bit I know, mixing with such a
big get in the last two weeks with him up.
But they're vertical passing game. They're attacked because they increased
their band with this offseason they did. They've got so
many weapons, but they're not playing. The teams are taking
them away or they're not being aggressive early and they
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were only averaging like a little over two yards of
play on first down. I'm convinced that first down is
the most important down in football, not third. If I
control first, I'll control third most of the time. But
the big play has not been in the offense and
offensive line wise. They're getting pushed around in the passing game.
I thought the Vikings dominated them in every phase. Not
really a hall pass, but the expectations three weeks. They
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haven't played their best game yet. I think we're giving
them a little bit of a little latitude because we
know they're better than this, but penalties like that, they're
not good enough to overcome ten penalties a week, especially
when your tackles jumping off sides starting in pre game.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's got to stop.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
The Vikings are undefeated. Your Vikings. Now you're at the Packers,
then you host the Jets by week, and then the Lions.
We're going to find out a whole lot about the
Vikings here the next month. Here are you all in
on the Vikings?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I'm in all in?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Not yet because three games, as I've seen the movie before,
teams start fast. But I'll tell you why. I'm more
in than I have been in a wild dan. That
front seven of the Vikings is getting after it and
they obliterate. And I love Brian Flores. It's not just
the pressure, it's the confusion. I got this guy. We're
gonna slide the line. Next thing you know, they're coming
off the edge and hit you in the mouth. And
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they are creating a different line of scrimmage. But Brian
Flores is playing can Steve Spagnola calling defense is about
as aggressive and well as you can into each and
every week.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
So that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And two years ago they were offl on defense, floors
has made a difference they run and on offense.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Adding Aaron Jones.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Was such a huge steal for seven million bucks in
the offseason. And all these guys, Dan I've talked to,
I'm sure you have a million times, guys that are
far smarter than me about football. Whether it's a guy
who's coached them, a guy who played the position, who
studies or drafts the position. And I've asked him through
Sam Donald's Jets Carolina San Francisco is a backup and
down in Minnesota. Can he play? And to a man,
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not one has said guy's not a player. They all
still believe he can play. Well, you're seeing Kevin bring
it out. You're seeing a guy who learned how to
not have to be a hero every time he's on
the field because he was always careless with the ball
in the NFL. Well, he's kind of gathered that in
realize I don't have to make every play And in
the process of doing that, we're seeing what we expected
from Donald. That's where it starts. Discipline as a coaching staff,
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a quarterback, and you better be physical because finesse teams
just don't win a lot of championships. That's why you
got to believe in him more than you have. The
line of scrimmage. The quarterback protects it and Aaron Jones
is such an upgrade in the backfield. There's a different
beast feeling about them. Love the way they're playing, and
they are real and these next three games plus a
bye will definitely test where they.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Are in the big scheme of things in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sam Darnald might be the oldest twenty seven year old
in the NFL. It feels like he's been around forever.
But you know, you a.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Minute early in my career, I bartled up.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Come on, you might have backed up Andy Dalton. Now,
Andy Dalton's success against the Raiders kind of hurts the
It's not Bryce Young's fault, it's the franchise's fault. Every
pregame show piled on the Panthers, and I kept saying,
at some point I have to hold him responsible too.
He had a large sample size, he had eighteen games.
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He didn't play well. He looked overwhelmed, and this is
probably the way they should have brought him in. Now
I know there was so much pressure because they went
up and got him. They spent all this draft capital.
You see C. J. Stroud lighting it up. We got
to get our guy in there. The owner wants him
in there, and then you forget. These are people like
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when they fail, it hurts. They lack confidence, they're overwhelmed.
He's twenty one or twenty two years of age. Andy
Dalton's thirty six. Dalton, I think put an end to
the It's just the franchise's fault, not Bryce Young.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, Dan, isn't Bryce Young the way he's played off
and on away rookie. You and I have covered it
forever kind of way. Rookies are supposed to look right,
but yet sometimes they're supposed to make place.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Bryce Young. Nobody should quit on him as a player.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's still way too early in the infancy of it,
but this was the right decision.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
David Tepper, the owner, Hell that some guy stumbles across
the parking lot, he may fire him or.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Cut him, but neither that. Neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Dalton veteran, been in the league, seen playoff teams, been around,
being a bunch of different systems. Bryce Young, for as
good as he was in college, has never had failure. Dan,
he'd have failure a modern dad't have failure at Alabama
and this.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Is the first time.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's okay, He's to set him aside as the second
year guy. Say watch now, four weeks from now, maybe
he's learned a different perspective. So to quit on him
now is not right. To send him to the bench
is because he was overwhelmed. And when you start to
get mentally and emotionally overwhelmed by pressure, used to that situation.
I'm just telling you it's the first pick. All the
pressure and right bing bing ming ming. Stroud's success permeated
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through Carolina's decisions, and now this is what you should
be doing.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Sit back, dude. It's the best of the best. This
the best it gets for you. Right now.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You're gonna have a chance to come back and play.
Dalton's not the long term answer, but you have calm
down sooner. You're so worried about all the stuff and
creating ghosts and chasing problems as a young quarterback, you
don't even get to settle in and be a player.
He will at some point. This is the decision that
gives him the best chance to win. It can't be
a I feel bad for him. We got a plan
here's our first pick. If you want to salvage Jim,
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you get his ass to the sidelines, let him learn
from there, and hope the next time around he's gathered
in what needs to be done and settles in. That's
how rookies are supposed to be. They're not supposed to
do with Stroud or Marino or those guys, or or
Andrew Luck did his rookies.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That's not the norm.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And there were teams that inquired about trading for Bryce
Young and I think, hey, you can buy low, and
maybe maybe you're able to know that, but Carolina says
that's not in the plans. If Russell Wilson's cleared to play,
who do you start in Pittsburgh fields.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
To me, Dan, Russell Wilson's best football is behind him.
I don't do lifetime achievement awards. We'll do that when
we either induct him into the Hall of Fame. I
have nothing but respect for Russell Wilson's career. He played
a little bit better in Denver last time, but there's
a reason that Denver got rid of that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Seattle's moved on from him.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't think he gives you a better chance to
win as a veteran maybe, but just look at just
the quick reaction. At least I felt that Russell Wilson
got the point where he was a little skittish in
his decisions. And what's been great for him over his
career is the second the guy, the first guy who
said guy's not know but he's been decisive with his
feet and used him as a checkdown at least Fields.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
If he's not the.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Poised pocket passer we all want, at least I know
he's gonna give me the best chance because it is
boom right now. I mean, cut on a dime and
let's get it going. He gives me a better chance
to at least make plays with his feet. Veteran, I
know we love him, but I think Fields is starting
to grow in it. And you know, Mike Tomlin team,
he's such a good coacher, gonna always hang around. To me,
You've got to earn the starting job. I don't care
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how long you've been in it in order to keep it.
And Russ Wilson has not earned the Pittsburgh Steelers starting job.
If he does great, but right now from an injury
to come into this in the past of what I've
seen I'm not handing in the job. He's either gonna
have to play his way out of it fields or
Wilson's gonna have to earn it by getting an opportunity.
To me, you're standing with what you've got going on
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right now, you're winning, and the guy's a better playmaker
right now, and throw the ball better yesterday than Russell
Wilson is. That's just the simple facts. Forget the Lifetime
Achievement award. I'm not in the business for the field.
Good business.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I got to give me the best chance to win
and right now it's fields period.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Always good talking to you. Thanks Sean, you too.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
But you know, if I'd have canceled, if I would
have canceled being on your show for every time I
had a bad game, I'd never come on your show.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'm glad you get Saquaud Barkley back, brother. Thank you,
appreciate the time, fellas.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Sean Salisbury former NFL quarterback Sean Salisbury show on Sports
Talk seven ninety in Houston.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
John Gruden he loves football. In fact, John Gruden loves
football dot com for more information. The show airs on
YouTube weekly. Features several segments, including game previews, interviews with players,
Drew Brees, Derek Carr, coaches, entertainers. John Gruden back on
the program. Good morning, John. Give me the setup at
your house watching football yesterday? What's it look like?
Speaker 5 (14:42):
What do you say, Dan, It's good to see you.
My setup. I have really come down to my little
FFCA Fired Football Coaches Association headquarters here. It's about a
mile from my house, and I have TVs everywhere, and
I have three or four of my friends and we're
all kind of watching different games gas trying to find
out what's going on in pro football because it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, let me ask you about trends. There's always it's
a copycat league. We're seeing a lot of running. Now.
Is that going to be here for a while or
is it maybe just an aberration.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
I don't know what is happening with pass protection, Dan,
but I think that's one of the reasons why you're
seeing so much running. You know, quarterbacks are under siege.
You're seeing a lot of these run pass options where
the quarterback is becoming a ball carrier. That's by design.
A lot of the runs are scrambling by the quarterback.
But I think a lot of these guys have shown
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their inactivity during the pre season. I think quality of
play will pick up as we move on.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, we're seeing touchdown passes down dramatically. Yeah, this game
is built on getting touchdown passes scoring points here. And
this is a trend. You know, the last couple of years,
the first three four weeks of the season, touchdown passes
have been down.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I'm trying to find out who is the best passing
team in football. When I get the films and I
start watching, I always start with the Detroit Lions because
they're one of the few teams I think that uses
the quarterback like we're accustomed to seeing the quarterback used
he audibles at the line of scrimmage. It's a pocket
passing team. They throw the ball to all five eligible
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receivers and they don't waste plays. They're not running and
doing these run pass options, and usually the quarterback gets
protection he can get through a progression and read a
route out. But I do like watching the Lions, and
after them, there's only a handful of other teams that
really fire me up like they used to.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
What do you see with Aaron Rodgers so far? Maybe
the first two weeks and then this past performance.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I love it. He's one of the guys that really
excites me. I thought what he did against New England
on the short week was impressive. I thought his debut
against the forty nine ers was very good. He didn't
get very many at bats because the Jets didn't have
the ball much, but just still see the great accuracy.
He dominates in the pre snap with his hand signals,
he fixes protections, he changed plays. He's still at the
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top of the food chain. He's one of the three
or four best clearly in the league right now.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What would Mahomes have to do to supplant Tom Brady
in your eyes?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Well, I guess you're saying win seven Super Bowls. You know,
that's the qualification most people have. But I don't think
if you had a lot of quarterback experts in the
same room, I don't think anybody would tell you if
Brady and Mahomes were there, you wouldn't go wrong taking
either one. But some of the things that Mahomes does
with the ball it's it's incredible. You got to defend
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Andy Reid and all other Andy Reid preparation and when
the play breaks down, Mahomes makes the play work anyhow.
So this is a a edged sword to deal with.
He's he's the best in my opinion. Because of that, we're.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Talking to John Gruden and his new show John Gruden
loves Football dot Com for more information. How frustrating is
it You're just watching with a bunch of guys in
a room. You're not on the sidelines, and you're not
in the booth.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yeah, that's frustrating, But I'm having it. I'm having a
good time. Behind the scenes. We've had so many quarterbacks
and players, college players, pro players, high school players. I've
got a chance to visit the Chiefs and training camp,
so I'm still real close to it. But I do
miss the everyday competition and interaction with a team. But
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you just keep your fingers crossed. You hope you get
one more chance.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Where does your lawsuit stand with the NFL?
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, I don't know, and I'm I'm not here to
talk about my lawsuit. That's that's in other people's hands
right now. I'm just trying to spread my love for football, Dan, and.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, but I want to know if you're going to
get back into the game. I mean this, this could
help significantly. I would think if you want to get
back into college or you want to get back to
the NFL, so you don't have to answer it. I
have to ask the question. So if you choose not
to answer, that's that's you. But I'm just trying to
figure out where things stand and a timeline maybe for coaching.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Again, well, it's in it's in due process. It's not
in my hands, so I can I can sit here
and answer any questions. I don't have anything to answer.
I don't know where it is. It's in it's in
a it's in the court of it's in the court's hands.
So I'm here to just study football and tell you
what I see. That's the best I can do right now.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Who do you think leaked that information?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I'm not going to get into all that. I uh,
I really don't even want to talk about it. I
have a great opportunity to do some of the things
I want to do right now, and that's what I'm
going to do.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Have you spoken to anybody recently about coaching in college?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I have.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I've talked to all a lot of people about coaching.
I always always have and I always will, I assume.
But I'm not going to start any rumors or anything
like that here today.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But you want to get into the NIL and recruiting
and all of that stuff. I mean, college is.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Also exciting about the state of college football. The thing
that excites me is is the change with the transfer
portal and the NIL. It's astonishing how different the game is.
And I've talked to a lot of college coaches that
are friends of mine. It's a frustrating beast to deal with.
And I am learning just like everybody else is. I'm
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adapting mentally to what the rules are. It's crazy. It's
an unbelievable change in college football. I don't know if
it's going to help the game or hurt the game,
but it certainly is different.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So you're planning, you're prepping, you're learning to get that opportunity.
It sounds like.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's pretty much what I do. I just come in
here and I mind my own busines. I grind on
my football. I collaborate with a lot of people about football,
different levels of football, and if someone's looking for somebody
to coach. I'll be in the bullpen. We'll see what happens.
But I got a great YouTube channel we're very excited
about and I'm putting all my focus into that right now.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You'd fill the void with Saban not there, Jim Harbaugh
not there. Get another big personality in there. But does
it matter the size of the school if you're going
to coach.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Nothing really matters. It's just the opportunity, I think, to
get another chance to be on a team. That's appealing
to me. But I'm on a team right now, and
I want to reiterate that. I know there was an
article written about me wanting to coach. I've always wanted
to coach my whole life, and that's never going to change.
But right now, this opportunity I have in front of
me is very exciting.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You strike me as a guy who yells at the
screens when you're watching football.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Sometimes I get excited, as you know, about little things,
short yardage conversions. If I see a spider two, why banana,
you'll really tell it. But I do like seeing the
young quarterbacks, the development of these young players. I'm anxious
to see what happens with the Giants. Daniel Jones, who's
a guy I really like coming back off an injury,
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Cousins coming back off an injury, Aaron Rodgers is back.
I'm really interested to see how these guys handle that.
There's so many behind the scenes storylines that I look
at that are probably unique to me. But you're right,
I do get a little emotional at times.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But you love to break down the film of quarterbacks.
What are you seeing with these like Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
Bo Nicks, Drake May. If there were stocks, which stock
would you buy start with?
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'd start with Nicks, probably in Denver, just because I
recognize the system. I know the coach. I know the
scheme very well, so I can recognize what the developmental
process is like. And they were just here in Tampa.
I got to see him at close range. He's a
lot bigger guy than I thought. He's very athletic, and
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I know what he's doing on a day to day
basis behind the scenes. The other guys are talented, but
they're under siege a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
They're getting hit a lot.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
They're in a more I don't know college operations style
offense in Washington, so I see Daniels running around. He
showcases great athleticism and toughness. But to answer your question,
after three weeks, you know, I think bo Nix is
moving on, moving forward a little bit quicker because of
the protection that I saw against the Buccaneers, some of
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the concepts that they're doing. But it's still a lot
to be decided. Caleb Williams has just been under siege
too much to really get a true evaluation.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Did you have a policy on starting rookie quarterbacks or
how much you would play them?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I never had a first round draft choice. We only
drafted a couple guys in the I think fifteen years
that I was a head coach. We were going to
play the best guy. We didn't care who it was,
especially at that position. But I haven't had a lot
of history playing rookies at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, it felt like everybody was saying it was the
Panthers they were the problem, not Bryce Young, and I
kept saying he played eighteen games and didn't look good.
I can blame the organization, but Bryce Young deserves a
lot of blame as well. Where do you stand on
that whole process there to bring in Andy Dalton.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Well, the quarterbacks job is to win games, move the
ball and put points on the board. And if you're
not winning, you're not moving the ball and you're not scoring,
something's got to change. They changed head coaches, they changed coordinators.
The next thing that's going to happen is they're going
to change quarterbacks. And I think sitting down is going
to be a very good thing for Bryce Young. Things
are probably moving around real fast, a lot of pressure
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on him, and I think Andy Dalton's success will allow
Andy to play for a few more weeks at least
and give Bryce Young a chance to get a different perspective.
And I do think when he does come back, he'll
be better because of it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
How often do you wear your Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I haven't worn it in a little bit. But I
have an event this weekend. My wife's a fred Astare
ball dancer ballroom dancer, So I'm gonna go meet some
of the dancers that are coming to Tampa and I'm
gonna wear my ring and do a little dancing out there,
try to impress somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Wait, wait, you're doing ballroom dancing.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I had my hip replaced April twenty fourth, so that's
why I kind of started all these side interest things.
But yes, I as a dating flyer like you are, Dan,
I encourage you to get off your butt, get out there,
do some ballroom dancing. It's a it's a really good
it's a really good time.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I have done it, John, I, my wife and I
did it many many years ago. The Cajun two step
ballroom dancing. Yeah, that's awesome. I turned down Dancing with
the Stars just to let you know that's outstanding. Yeah. Well,
good luck, good luck in the pursuit of whatever you're
looking for. Good luck with the YouTube channel. It's Gruden
(26:11):
loves Football dot Com. That's the website. So he's breaking
down things he's had. Drew Brees on Derek Carr has
been on Gruden Loovesfootball dot Com. Thank you, John, Hey,
Thanks Dan, good luck, Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't want to tell you I told you, but
I told you. The emphasis on the run is alive
and kicking. In the NFL, Saquon Barkley one hundred and
forty seven yards seventeen carries won the game. Kyron Williams
eighty nine yards twenty four carries won the game. Derek
Henry one hundred and fifty one yards won the game.
(26:57):
Chubba Hubbard one hundred and fourteen yards won the game.
Jonathan Taylor one hundred ten yards won the game. Aaron
Jones one two won the game. Zach Sharboning ninety one
yards won the game. David Montgomery one hundred and five
yards won the game. You're starting to see this more
and more, the emphasis on the run, and John Gruden
(27:19):
last hour said, you know, might have to do with
pass blocking. Trying to find good offensive linemen not easy
to do. That's why you have these tackles that are
lined up where they shouldn't be, and we're throwing these penalties.
They're trying to get an edge so they keep the
edge rusher off the quarterback. Now you're finding that defenses
are based predicated on speed and not that physical, dominating toughness.
(27:42):
And you're finding that these offensive coordinators are going, all right,
we're going to run the ball now. And you've seen
this through the first three weeks. Stat of the Day
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(28:03):
for you coming up. I did want to go back
to show Heyo Tani's now fifty three homers, fifty five steals.
He's got six games to go. How much does he play?
How much does he run? As you get ready for
the postseason. But I'm looking in the last four games,
he's fourteen of eighteen. That's a seven seventy eight batting average,
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five homers, thirteen RBI, six dolen bases. His on base
percentage is two point five two two. It's crazy, crazy
the numbers here, and you wonder if this is that
one year that statistical anomaly where not pitching, He's going
to be running more and putting up these numbers, and
(28:48):
it might be I may never get here again. I
may never be asked to do this. I'm going to
put up the best numbers possible and see if somebody
can come and get this. I'm going to max this
thing out now. There was discussion last week when Otani
had three home runs in that Game twelve, RBIs against Florida,
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and we thought, okay, is this the greatest game of
all time? Now, I said, it can't be the greatest
game if a pitcher threw a perfect game in the
World Series, Like it's a perfect game. So let's take
Don Larson out of this. And I said to Paulie,
I have one game that might rival this if I'm
looking at regular season one day, just one game and
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it might surprise you. But it's actually two games. It
was a doubleheader. Nobody's bat at four hundred or higher
since nineteen forty one. Ted Williams was the last to
accomplish this. The Red Sox were two wins away that
you know this was going to be a historic day
for Ted Williams. The Red Sox were in Philadelphia playing
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a doubleheader against the A's. They defeated them in both
games and they ended up second place in the American League.
Ted Williams came in batting three ninety nine. Now, you
could round up to four hundred, but he wanted to play.
He insisted on playing both games, so there was no doubt.
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So they could have rounded up and he would have
batted four hundred. Now, at the time, people are like, oh, okay,
batting four hundred. Now we look back and go, oh
my god, batting four hundred. He goes four for five
in the first game, so he's batting four oh four.
He can decide to sit down. Ted Williams plays in
the second game, went two for three, and he ended
(30:42):
up with a batting average of four oh six. That
to me, now, hold on mark that to me rivals
this with regular season monumental achievement pressure that you could
have rounded up to four hundred. And he's like, no,
I'm playing both games of the doubleheader and he ends
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up batting four oh six.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
And Dan, it's almost like the decision is the most
impressive thing to do it because I checked a couple
other places he would have finished officially with a four
hundred batting average if he sat the last two games.
Like it wasn't there is a light question about it,
but I checked a few different places it was going
to be considered four hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And look, he batted four oh six, thirty seven homers,
one hundred and twenty runs battered in that year, so
the numbers don't compare necessarily to a TONI but if
we're looking at a standalone game, the last guy to
bat four hundred, they could have rounded up he would
have batted four hundred. He he ran the risk of
batting under four hundred, and he said, I'm playing both
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games of the double header, even when he's already got it,
doesn't have to play. The second game he plays, he
goes four for five, and then he goes two for three,
ends up at four oh six. So I would say
regular season pressure and the numbers, how significant that number is.
Nobody's ever going to about four hundred again. Now we
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might say, is anybody gonna go fifty five to fifty five?
Probably not, but I can guarantee nobody's gonna about four
hundred again and not even get close. Yes, Marvin and
Ted Williams still didn't win MVP that season. No, he
did not.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That is, he was not.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
He was not well liked even by the writers who
covered him in Boston. That's so he bats four oh six,
But Joe di as a fifty six game hitting streak.
More impressed. Would you rather what would you rather have
bat four oh six or have a hit at least
one hit and fifty six consecutive games? Todd, I'll start
(32:42):
with you.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm going to go with batting of over four hundred
for the entire season.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I think is more the right seaton. Four hundred is
pretty special. Yeah, Marvin bat four hundred. Yeah, Paulie, this
is a really, really tough one. I can't believe we've
never discus before.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
At first I thought Demasio, but people have been kind
of close. You can go on a two month hot
streak or two and a half months and get it
four oh six. It's really hasn't been close in this generation.
I'm gonna go four o six, four hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, we did have when it mattered, when batting average mattered.
That's when you had George Brett and you had Tony Gwinn.
It doesn't matter anymore. I mean, if you bat three
twenty seven, you can win the batting title. I mean
that would have been an off year for some of
these guys. Four oh six not going to be approached.
I do think we could get somebody to go fifty
to fifty. As great as these athletes are, uh, you know,
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we even brought up Alecunya had forty one homers and
seventy three stolen bases. It's not far off from fitty fitting.
But yeah, Otani's numbers have been video game like mind boggling,
and uh, I'm guessing unanimous MVP. That sound right. I
don't know who else is, although Francisco Lindor was he
(33:59):
getting MVP love second place? They're like second.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Place, MVP second place.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Ru Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
What really helps everything for Otani is that the Dodgers
haven't just controlled the division and wanted a week and
a half ago, so they still have to play everybody
for these last few games of the season. If they were,
you know, kind of a Dodgers from a couple of
years ago where there were twelve games ahead, he may
have sat down.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, it's a great point. Great point. Let me see
if I have any other crazy, uh goofy numbers. Otani
fourteen hits over his last four games. The last time
that happened with the Dodgers nineteen twenty five, the impressive
Milt Stock, he had sixteen hits. That's a fun name,
Milt Stock. Milt Stock. Yeah, I don't know. It just
(34:46):
doesn't sound like that's a star. Hey, what's your name,
I'm Milt Stock. In nineteen twenty five, it probably was
no you think so, No, milk Stock Yeah, yeah, Milt
stocks On unbelieve.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Seen, are we underappreciating a fifty six game hitting streak
by everybody saying four hundred because it feels like, oh,
it's only a matter of time before somebody breaks that,
But really nobody is even coming close.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Oh, I don't think either one will be broken. But
you know, batting average doesn't matter. Therefore nobody cares about
getting on base, getting a little bunt or any of
that stuff. That's why four oh six isn't going to
be touched in our lifetime. I don't think fifty six games.
I mean, there's certain numbers that will just never be broken,
and those are two. It's rare to say in baseball.
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Those numbers won't be broken, but they will not be broken.
Jimmy Rollins is probably the closest.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
In like recent memory, that was two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, he hit thirty eight games.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, and Pete Rose had forty four and then that
was a seventy g Yeah. I remember that one. Pete
was upset with Geene Garber the Braves because he goes
always pitching like it's the World Series. Pete, You're hit
like it's the World Series, So why can't the pitcher
pitch like it's the World Series?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yes, Tom, how many times during that fifty six game
hitting streak, is it possible that Joe only got one
hit and it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Was Was it a hit and they'll call.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
It a hit?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
There could be a few of those in there.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Wait, are you calling out the streak?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I'm saying it's an incredible accomplishment compared to the four
hundred ninting average.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
But within that fifty six game hitting streak, a number
of them could have been one hits, and some of
the judging of those hits could have.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Been Well, Williams had some hits that maybe weren't hits
in his four oh six batting.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
But it's over an entire season that's supposed to It.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Means you got to get lucky a lot of times
over the course of the entire series. Yeah, you got
to get a little blooper in there. Come on, now,
give me a little bit, go come on now. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Paul I went back and looked at the nineteen forty
one AL MVP voting because Marvin said it that Ted
Williams somehow lost, So.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He loses to Joe Demagio.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
So this is the AL MVP voting, Joe Demagio, Ted Williams,
Bob Feller, household names and still like all time greats.
The NL MVP voting, Dolph Camilli, Pete Reiser, and Wit Wyatt.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
They had a couple of Dodgers in there. Yeah, but
the AO was top heavy back then. Yeah. But if
you go back to what is it nineteen sixty three
when Wilt Chamberlain averaged fifty points, I don't think he
was the MVP. I think I think imagine you averaged
fifty just probably he probably averaged twenty four rebounds and
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fifty points. And I think Oscar Robertson, because he had
a triple double, may have won the MVP. No, No,
Bill Russell won the MVP. I think that year, Bully, Yeah,
Bill Russell. He actually won it handily. Bill Russell got
fifty one first place votes. Wilt got nine. Well, I
it's similar to Bill Russell to Joe DiMaggio as Wilt
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was to Ted Williams because they weren't necessarily liked. And
how do you how many rebounds did Wilt average that year?
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Nineties?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I got it? I was it six?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Three?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I gotta believe he went fifty twenty three. Yeah, they
didn't even keep blocks back then. He probably averaged five assists.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
This is a sixty one sixty two seasons sixty Okay.
Will Chamberlain's twenty five years old. He averaged fifty point
four points per game twenty five point seven rebounds. Here's
the kicker. He played forty eight and a half minutes
per game. He played every second of every game, including
a couple of overtime games.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, how is it you could never come out if
you're up by like thirty twenty, like you're on a bench, Hey, Wilton,
that will never be broken? Well, it's got seventy five?
Speaker 6 (38:37):
You think I could get in tonight?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
There there was no you know, time management, game management.
Back then, you were playing every single minute. Imagine being
the backup center. You're like, hey, Will, It was probably
like Darryl Imhoff was the backup center for Will back then,
Hey could I get in a little bit. It's like
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be in the backup for Peyton Manning. He never wanted
to come out of the game. But yeah, four oh six,
neither one will be broken. Neither one
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sean Salisbury joins his former NFL quarterback and he's the
host of the Shawan Salisbury Show on Sports Talk seven
ninety in Houston. Let me start with a pet peeve,
and I don't know if it's a pet peev. Years
when teams get to the goal line and they run
a shotgun, what is wrong with just lining up over
center and doing old fashioned football of we're gonna run
(00:28):
the ball, we're gonna we're gonna play power football instead
of I don't know, we wanted to we get style
points or something with the shotgun at the goal line.
I don't know if it bothers you, but it does me.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, yeah I did because I started. That was how
you did it, because you didn't. It used to be
that ninety percent of the time. You want to be
under center because you're afraid of death. The sitter couldn't
stand the gun staff. He had to take his eyes
off and move it around, and now he flipped it.
If you're under center, you're like, what's this crazy ass
old school football? These guys are playing And Michigan did
it to usc to meischa grin. It wasn't very good.
(01:02):
But Dan, I'll tell you the story. A handful of
years ago, I went out to Las Vegas and was
training a quarterback who had just signed a Division one
scholarship and was getting ready to go play at a
Division one school. And it was the first time I
trained him because I was a training another guy who
brought him along. And so we get out there and
warm up and I say, get under center. We're going
to do We're gonna run three step hitches. The guy
(01:25):
looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language
to him. Coach, I don't know how to take a
snap under center, honestly, guy, he'd never done it before,
and he was a couple months away from walking on
to a Division one program as football player. Now, listen,
I know there's different ways to do it. To me,
there's just more bad that can happen. It takes longer
to get to the line of scrimmage. Those guys are
driving in. I just don't understand why you don't have
(01:46):
a package, say get the ball, get under center, play it.
There's a lot less wrong that can happen and under
center than the gun. But they flipped it. If you're
under center. You're an archaic and don't understand football these days.
I guess that's the way it's supposed to be. I'm
with you, center, Secure the ball first, and you got
much more of a chance. And that guy's hitting the
line quicker than you are when you're in the gun.
Takes too much time.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
All right, we'll get to the NFL. But let me
touch on your alma mater, as you did, USC not
closing the deal at Michigan and this felt like a
welcome to the Big ten moment. This is Michigan football,
this is Big ten football. Come on into our conference.
It's going to take you a while to play our
brand of football. What did you make of Michigan's philosophy
(02:29):
and or USC's Well.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
They're probably not gonna be able to win mini games
against Big ten teams throwing for thirty five yards, but
they did against the Trojans. What it told me in
the start of that game, Dan, it was like, uh, oh,
we need a little more finesse Pac twelve football. And
then by the second half they did a great job,
as he did, of adjusting.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They really did. But that's going to be the test sixty.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I mean I know it sounds cliche, but sixty minutes
because Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan, that's how they're
going to win. And Dan when it's usually you got
to throw fifty times and run it fifteen times, you
don't win a lot of those games. But you can
run it forty times, throw it fifteen and throw for
one hundred yards and still win. So if you're gonna
go one dimensional, that's the dimension if you can dominate it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
But yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I do believe that. I think they said, you're coming
into our place. We're going to show you that we
can physically manhandle you at the line of scrimmage, and
if you can't run it or stop it, then welcome
to the Big ten and head back to the Pac twelve.
It was a great lesson for SC. But it's not
just being able to stop it in stints. In order
to be great in that conference or in the SEC,
you have got to stop it the entire game. And
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SC gave up way too many big plays in the
run game and it cost him in the end, even
though they played better in the second half.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It is real big boy football, and SC got a
taste of it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Former NFL quarterback USC quarterback Sean Salisbury joining us on
the program. More bothered by the first three quarters by
Dallas or the fourth quarter by Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Probably by ball. It happens.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know, you get down and all of a sudden
you're up and you feel like you're in a comfortable position.
So maybe you're soften up a little bit and expect
them they make them go the long way. You're not
giving up any big plays immediately. But the Cowboys did
a great job of battling back. We wouldn't expect Baltimore
to be in a position this long as an O
and two team. They're not an O and two team,
just like I wouldn't imagine Cincinnati's going to live there
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very often either. But the Cowboys, the concern for me
is how they're getting bullied and pushed around for a
lot of these games. Fortunately offensively, they were able to
come back and make some plays on the other side.
But you look Derrick Henry looked like he was twenty
five years old. Again, they were efficient in the past.
Game was Baldmo. They did everything right other than close
the way you'd want to and were able to do
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it in the end. But the Cowboys inconsistency of some
good and some bad kind of epitomizes who they've been, Dan,
and there was a lot of it felt like there
was a lot of in house bitching and complaining from
my vantage point on the eyes, and I think in
Dak's press conference, I think that's kind of what he
was leaning towards, saying, we got to be pros, gotta
stay focused. This team feels to be a little bit
(05:04):
distracted by the simplest things, and they took a full
blown ass whipping for a lot of that game. They
can't continue to win like this if they're getting pushed
around on both sides of the ball, which the Cowboys
they're not used to doing that. On the defensive side,
they look different. Talk about a team that hasn't sustained
four quarters of good football in three weeks other than
the first game against Cleveland. Other than that, these next
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two they've had to fight and scratch, and you see
the result.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Are your Houston Texans getting a whole passed today. Maybe
people aren't you talking about that loss.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, the fact that the Astros can clinch the division tonight, Dan,
gives it a little more of a soft.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Sell and that's at home now. They're actually not.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
My head exploded yesterday watching Tonschell Tunsil illegal procedure for
the forty seventh time in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That's a big problem.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Undisciplined penalties, which bothers the Miko Ryanson should and Dan
there's a little bit I know, mixing with such a
big get in the last two weeks with him up.
But they're vertical passing game. They're attacked because they increased
their band with this offseason they did. They've got so
many weapons, but they're not playing. The teams are taking
them away or they're not being aggressive early and they
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were only averaging like a little over two yards of
play on first down. I'm convinced that first down is
the most important down in football, not third. If I
control first, I'll control third most of the time. But
the big play has not been in the offense and
offensive line wise. They're getting pushed around in the passing game.
I thought the Vikings dominated them in every phase. Not
really a hall pass, but the expectations three weeks. They
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haven't played their best game yet. I think we're giving
them a little bit of a little latitude because we
know they're better than this, but penalties like that, they're
not good enough to overcome ten penalties a week, especially
when your tackles jumping off sides starting in pre game.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's got to stop.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
The Vikings are undefeated. Your Vikings. Now you're at the Packers,
then you host the Jets by week, and then the Lions.
We're going to find out a whole lot about the
Vikings here the next month. Here are you all in
on the Vikings?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I'm in all in?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Not yet because three games, as I've seen the movie before,
teams start fast. But I'll tell you why. I'm more
in than I have been in a wild dan. That
front seven of the Vikings is getting after it and
they obliterate. And I love Brian Flores. It's not just
the pressure, it's the confusion. I got this guy. We're
gonna slide the line. Next thing you know, they're coming
off the edge and hit you in the mouth. And
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they are creating a different line of scrimmage. But Brian
Flores is playing can Steve Spagnola calling defense is about
as aggressive and well as you can into each and
every week.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
So that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And two years ago they were offl on defense, floors
has made a difference they run and on offense.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Adding Aaron Jones.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Was such a huge steal for seven million bucks in
the offseason. And all these guys, Dan I've talked to,
I'm sure you have a million times, guys that are
far smarter than me about football. Whether it's a guy
who's coached them, a guy who played the position, who
studies or drafts the position. And I've asked him through
Sam Donald's Jets Carolina San Francisco is a backup and
down in Minnesota. Can he play? And to a man,
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not one has said guy's not a player. They all
still believe he can play. Well, you're seeing Kevin bring
it out. You're seeing a guy who learned how to
not have to be a hero every time he's on
the field because he was always careless with the ball
in the NFL. Well, he's kind of gathered that in
realize I don't have to make every play And in
the process of doing that, we're seeing what we expected
from Donald. That's where it starts. Discipline as a coaching staff,
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a quarterback, and you better be physical because finesse teams
just don't win a lot of championships. That's why you
got to believe in him more than you have. The
line of scrimmage. The quarterback protects it and Aaron Jones
is such an upgrade in the backfield. There's a different
beast feeling about them. Love the way they're playing, and
they are real and these next three games plus a
bye will definitely test where they.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Are in the big scheme of things in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sam Darnald might be the oldest twenty seven year old
in the NFL. It feels like he's been around forever.
But you know, you a.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Minute early in my career, I bartled up.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Come on, you might have backed up Andy Dalton. Now,
Andy Dalton's success against the Raiders kind of hurts the
It's not Bryce Young's fault, it's the franchise's fault. Every
pregame show piled on the Panthers, and I kept saying,
at some point I have to hold him responsible too.
He had a large sample size, he had eighteen games.
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He didn't play well. He looked overwhelmed, and this is
probably the way they should have brought him in. Now
I know there was so much pressure because they went
up and got him. They spent all this draft capital.
You see C. J. Stroud lighting it up. We got
to get our guy in there. The owner wants him
in there, and then you forget. These are people like
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when they fail, it hurts. They lack confidence, they're overwhelmed.
He's twenty one or twenty two years of age. Andy
Dalton's thirty six. Dalton, I think put an end to
the It's just the franchise's fault, not Bryce Young.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, Dan, isn't Bryce Young the way he's played off
and on away rookie. You and I have covered it
forever kind of way. Rookies are supposed to look right,
but yet sometimes they're supposed to make place.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Bryce Young. Nobody should quit on him as a player.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's still way too early in the infancy of it,
but this was the right decision.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
David Tepper, the owner, Hell that some guy stumbles across
the parking lot, he may fire him or.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Cut him, but neither that. Neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Dalton veteran, been in the league, seen playoff teams, been around,
being a bunch of different systems. Bryce Young, for as
good as he was in college, has never had failure. Dan,
he'd have failure a modern dad't have failure at Alabama
and this.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Is the first time.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's okay, He's to set him aside as the second
year guy. Say watch now, four weeks from now, maybe
he's learned a different perspective. So to quit on him
now is not right. To send him to the bench
is because he was overwhelmed. And when you start to
get mentally and emotionally overwhelmed by pressure, used to that situation.
I'm just telling you it's the first pick. All the
pressure and right bing bing ming ming. Stroud's success permeated
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through Carolina's decisions, and now this is what you should
be doing.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Sit back, dude. It's the best of the best. This
the best it gets for you. Right now.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You're gonna have a chance to come back and play.
Dalton's not the long term answer, but you have calm
down sooner. You're so worried about all the stuff and
creating ghosts and chasing problems as a young quarterback, you
don't even get to settle in and be a player.
He will at some point. This is the decision that
gives him the best chance to win. It can't be
a I feel bad for him. We got a plan
here's our first pick. If you want to salvage Jim,
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you get his ass to the sidelines, let him learn
from there, and hope the next time around he's gathered
in what needs to be done and settles in. That's
how rookies are supposed to be. They're not supposed to
do with Stroud or Marino or those guys, or or
Andrew Luck did his rookies.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That's not the norm.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And there were teams that inquired about trading for Bryce
Young and I think, hey, you can buy low, and
maybe maybe you're able to know that, but Carolina says
that's not in the plans. If Russell Wilson's cleared to play,
who do you start in Pittsburgh fields.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
To me, Dan, Russell Wilson's best football is behind him.
I don't do lifetime achievement awards. We'll do that when
we either induct him into the Hall of Fame. I
have nothing but respect for Russell Wilson's career. He played
a little bit better in Denver last time, but there's
a reason that Denver got rid of that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Seattle's moved on from him.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't think he gives you a better chance to
win as a veteran maybe, but just look at just
the quick reaction. At least I felt that Russell Wilson
got the point where he was a little skittish in
his decisions. And what's been great for him over his
career is the second the guy, the first guy who
said guy's not know but he's been decisive with his
feet and used him as a checkdown at least Fields.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
If he's not the.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Poised pocket passer we all want, at least I know
he's gonna give me the best chance because it is
boom right now. I mean, cut on a dime and
let's get it going. He gives me a better chance
to at least make plays with his feet. Veteran, I
know we love him, but I think Fields is starting
to grow in it. And you know, Mike Tomlin team,
he's such a good coacher, gonna always hang around. To me,
You've got to earn the starting job. I don't care
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how long you've been in it in order to keep it.
And Russ Wilson has not earned the Pittsburgh Steelers starting job.
If he does great, but right now from an injury
to come into this in the past of what I've
seen I'm not handing in the job. He's either gonna
have to play his way out of it fields or
Wilson's gonna have to earn it by getting an opportunity.
To me, you're standing with what you've got going on
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right now, you're winning, and the guy's a better playmaker
right now, and throw the ball better yesterday than Russell
Wilson is. That's just the simple facts. Forget the Lifetime
Achievement award. I'm not in the business for the field.
Good business.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I got to give me the best chance to win
and right now it's fields period.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Always good talking to you. Thanks Sean, you too.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
But you know, if I'd have canceled, if I would
have canceled being on your show for every time I
had a bad game, I'd never come on your show.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'm glad you get Saquaud Barkley back, brother. Thank you,
appreciate the time, fellas.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
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the program. Good morning, John. Give me the setup at
your house watching football yesterday? What's it look like?
Speaker 5 (14:42):
What do you say, Dan, It's good to see you.
My setup. I have really come down to my little
FFCA Fired Football Coaches Association headquarters here. It's about a
mile from my house, and I have TVs everywhere, and
I have three or four of my friends and we're
all kind of watching different games gas trying to find
out what's going on in pro football because it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, let me ask you about trends. There's always it's
a copycat league. We're seeing a lot of running. Now.
Is that going to be here for a while or
is it maybe just an aberration.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
I don't know what is happening with pass protection, Dan,
but I think that's one of the reasons why you're
seeing so much running. You know, quarterbacks are under siege.
You're seeing a lot of these run pass options where
the quarterback is becoming a ball carrier. That's by design.
A lot of the runs are scrambling by the quarterback.
But I think a lot of these guys have shown
(15:41):
their inactivity during the pre season. I think quality of
play will pick up as we move on.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, we're seeing touchdown passes down dramatically. Yeah, this game
is built on getting touchdown passes scoring points here. And
this is a trend. You know, the last couple of years,
the first three four weeks of the season, touchdown passes
have been down.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I'm trying to find out who is the best passing
team in football. When I get the films and I
start watching, I always start with the Detroit Lions because
they're one of the few teams I think that uses
the quarterback like we're accustomed to seeing the quarterback used
he audibles at the line of scrimmage. It's a pocket
passing team. They throw the ball to all five eligible
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receivers and they don't waste plays. They're not running and
doing these run pass options, and usually the quarterback gets
protection he can get through a progression and read a
route out. But I do like watching the Lions, and
after them, there's only a handful of other teams that
really fire me up like they used to.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
What do you see with Aaron Rodgers so far? Maybe
the first two weeks and then this past performance.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I love it. He's one of the guys that really
excites me. I thought what he did against New England
on the short week was impressive. I thought his debut
against the forty nine ers was very good. He didn't
get very many at bats because the Jets didn't have
the ball much, but just still see the great accuracy.
He dominates in the pre snap with his hand signals,
he fixes protections, he changed plays. He's still at the
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top of the food chain. He's one of the three
or four best clearly in the league right now.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What would Mahomes have to do to supplant Tom Brady
in your eyes?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Well, I guess you're saying win seven Super Bowls. You know,
that's the qualification most people have. But I don't think
if you had a lot of quarterback experts in the
same room, I don't think anybody would tell you if
Brady and Mahomes were there, you wouldn't go wrong taking
either one. But some of the things that Mahomes does
with the ball it's it's incredible. You got to defend
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Andy Reid and all other Andy Reid preparation and when
the play breaks down, Mahomes makes the play work anyhow.
So this is a a edged sword to deal with.
He's he's the best in my opinion. Because of that, we're.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Talking to John Gruden and his new show John Gruden
loves Football dot Com for more information. How frustrating is
it You're just watching with a bunch of guys in
a room. You're not on the sidelines, and you're not
in the booth.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yeah, that's frustrating, But I'm having it. I'm having a
good time. Behind the scenes. We've had so many quarterbacks
and players, college players, pro players, high school players. I've
got a chance to visit the Chiefs and training camp,
so I'm still real close to it. But I do
miss the everyday competition and interaction with a team. But
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you just keep your fingers crossed. You hope you get
one more chance.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Where does your lawsuit stand with the NFL?
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, I don't know, and I'm I'm not here to
talk about my lawsuit. That's that's in other people's hands
right now. I'm just trying to spread my love for football, Dan, and.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, but I want to know if you're going to
get back into the game. I mean this, this could
help significantly. I would think if you want to get
back into college or you want to get back to
the NFL, so you don't have to answer it. I
have to ask the question. So if you choose not
to answer, that's that's you. But I'm just trying to
figure out where things stand and a timeline maybe for coaching.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Again, well, it's in it's in due process. It's not
in my hands, so I can I can sit here
and answer any questions. I don't have anything to answer.
I don't know where it is. It's in it's in
a it's in the court of it's in the court's hands.
So I'm here to just study football and tell you
what I see. That's the best I can do right now.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Who do you think leaked that information?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I'm not going to get into all that. I uh,
I really don't even want to talk about it. I
have a great opportunity to do some of the things
I want to do right now, and that's what I'm
going to do.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Have you spoken to anybody recently about coaching in college?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I have.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I've talked to all a lot of people about coaching.
I always always have and I always will, I assume.
But I'm not going to start any rumors or anything
like that here today.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But you want to get into the NIL and recruiting
and all of that stuff. I mean, college is.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Also exciting about the state of college football. The thing
that excites me is is the change with the transfer
portal and the NIL. It's astonishing how different the game is.
And I've talked to a lot of college coaches that
are friends of mine. It's a frustrating beast to deal with.
And I am learning just like everybody else is. I'm
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adapting mentally to what the rules are. It's crazy. It's
an unbelievable change in college football. I don't know if
it's going to help the game or hurt the game,
but it certainly is different.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So you're planning, you're prepping, you're learning to get that opportunity.
It sounds like.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's pretty much what I do. I just come in
here and I mind my own busines. I grind on
my football. I collaborate with a lot of people about football,
different levels of football, and if someone's looking for somebody
to coach. I'll be in the bullpen. We'll see what happens.
But I got a great YouTube channel we're very excited
about and I'm putting all my focus into that right now.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You'd fill the void with Saban not there, Jim Harbaugh
not there. Get another big personality in there. But does
it matter the size of the school if you're going
to coach.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Nothing really matters. It's just the opportunity, I think, to
get another chance to be on a team. That's appealing
to me. But I'm on a team right now, and
I want to reiterate that. I know there was an
article written about me wanting to coach. I've always wanted
to coach my whole life, and that's never going to change.
But right now, this opportunity I have in front of
me is very exciting.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You strike me as a guy who yells at the
screens when you're watching football.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Sometimes I get excited, as you know, about little things,
short yardage conversions. If I see a spider two, why banana,
you'll really tell it. But I do like seeing the
young quarterbacks, the development of these young players. I'm anxious
to see what happens with the Giants. Daniel Jones, who's
a guy I really like coming back off an injury,
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Cousins coming back off an injury, Aaron Rodgers is back.
I'm really interested to see how these guys handle that.
There's so many behind the scenes storylines that I look
at that are probably unique to me. But you're right,
I do get a little emotional at times.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But you love to break down the film of quarterbacks.
What are you seeing with these like Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
Bo Nicks, Drake May. If there were stocks, which stock
would you buy start with?
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'd start with Nicks, probably in Denver, just because I
recognize the system. I know the coach. I know the
scheme very well, so I can recognize what the developmental
process is like. And they were just here in Tampa.
I got to see him at close range. He's a
lot bigger guy than I thought. He's very athletic, and
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I know what he's doing on a day to day
basis behind the scenes. The other guys are talented, but
they're under siege a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
They're getting hit a lot.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
They're in a more I don't know college operations style
offense in Washington, so I see Daniels running around. He
showcases great athleticism and toughness. But to answer your question,
after three weeks, you know, I think bo Nix is
moving on, moving forward a little bit quicker because of
the protection that I saw against the Buccaneers, some of
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the concepts that they're doing. But it's still a lot
to be decided. Caleb Williams has just been under siege
too much to really get a true evaluation.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Did you have a policy on starting rookie quarterbacks or
how much you would play them?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I never had a first round draft choice. We only
drafted a couple guys in the I think fifteen years
that I was a head coach. We were going to
play the best guy. We didn't care who it was,
especially at that position. But I haven't had a lot
of history playing rookies at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, it felt like everybody was saying it was the
Panthers they were the problem, not Bryce Young, and I
kept saying he played eighteen games and didn't look good.
I can blame the organization, but Bryce Young deserves a
lot of blame as well. Where do you stand on
that whole process there to bring in Andy Dalton.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Well, the quarterbacks job is to win games, move the
ball and put points on the board. And if you're
not winning, you're not moving the ball and you're not scoring,
something's got to change. They changed head coaches, they changed coordinators.
The next thing that's going to happen is they're going
to change quarterbacks. And I think sitting down is going
to be a very good thing for Bryce Young. Things
are probably moving around real fast, a lot of pressure
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on him, and I think Andy Dalton's success will allow
Andy to play for a few more weeks at least
and give Bryce Young a chance to get a different perspective.
And I do think when he does come back, he'll
be better because of it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
How often do you wear your Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I haven't worn it in a little bit. But I
have an event this weekend. My wife's a fred Astare
ball dancer ballroom dancer, So I'm gonna go meet some
of the dancers that are coming to Tampa and I'm
gonna wear my ring and do a little dancing out there,
try to impress somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Wait, wait, you're doing ballroom dancing.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I had my hip replaced April twenty fourth, so that's
why I kind of started all these side interest things.
But yes, I as a dating flyer like you are, Dan,
I encourage you to get off your butt, get out there,
do some ballroom dancing. It's a it's a really good
it's a really good time.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I have done it, John, I, my wife and I
did it many many years ago. The Cajun two step
ballroom dancing. Yeah, that's awesome. I turned down Dancing with
the Stars just to let you know that's outstanding. Yeah. Well,
good luck, good luck in the pursuit of whatever you're
looking for. Good luck with the YouTube channel. It's Gruden
(26:11):
loves Football dot Com. That's the website. So he's breaking
down things he's had. Drew Brees on Derek Carr has
been on Gruden Loovesfootball dot Com. Thank you, John, Hey,
Thanks Dan, good luck, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
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Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't want to tell you I told you, but
I told you. The emphasis on the run is alive
and kicking. In the NFL, Saquon Barkley one hundred and
forty seven yards seventeen carries won the game. Kyron Williams
eighty nine yards twenty four carries won the game. Derek
Henry one hundred and fifty one yards won the game.
(26:57):
Chubba Hubbard one hundred and fourteen yards won the game.
Jonathan Taylor one hundred ten yards won the game. Aaron
Jones one two won the game. Zach Sharboning ninety one
yards won the game. David Montgomery one hundred and five
yards won the game. You're starting to see this more
and more, the emphasis on the run, and John Gruden
(27:19):
last hour said, you know, might have to do with
pass blocking. Trying to find good offensive linemen not easy
to do. That's why you have these tackles that are
lined up where they shouldn't be, and we're throwing these penalties.
They're trying to get an edge so they keep the
edge rusher off the quarterback. Now you're finding that defenses
are based predicated on speed and not that physical, dominating toughness.
(27:42):
And you're finding that these offensive coordinators are going, all right,
we're going to run the ball now. And you've seen
this through the first three weeks. Stat of the Day
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for you coming up. I did want to go back
to show Heyo Tani's now fifty three homers, fifty five steals.
He's got six games to go. How much does he play?
How much does he run? As you get ready for
the postseason. But I'm looking in the last four games,
he's fourteen of eighteen. That's a seven seventy eight batting average,
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five homers, thirteen RBI, six dolen bases. His on base
percentage is two point five two two. It's crazy, crazy
the numbers here, and you wonder if this is that
one year that statistical anomaly where not pitching, He's going
to be running more and putting up these numbers, and
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it might be I may never get here again. I
may never be asked to do this. I'm going to
put up the best numbers possible and see if somebody
can come and get this. I'm going to max this
thing out now. There was discussion last week when Otani
had three home runs in that Game twelve, RBIs against Florida,
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and we thought, okay, is this the greatest game of
all time? Now, I said, it can't be the greatest
game if a pitcher threw a perfect game in the
World Series, Like it's a perfect game. So let's take
Don Larson out of this. And I said to Paulie,
I have one game that might rival this if I'm
looking at regular season one day, just one game and
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it might surprise you. But it's actually two games. It
was a doubleheader. Nobody's bat at four hundred or higher
since nineteen forty one. Ted Williams was the last to
accomplish this. The Red Sox were two wins away that
you know this was going to be a historic day
for Ted Williams. The Red Sox were in Philadelphia playing
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a doubleheader against the A's. They defeated them in both
games and they ended up second place in the American League.
Ted Williams came in batting three ninety nine. Now, you
could round up to four hundred, but he wanted to play.
He insisted on playing both games, so there was no doubt.
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So they could have rounded up and he would have
batted four hundred. Now, at the time, people are like, oh, okay,
batting four hundred. Now we look back and go, oh
my god, batting four hundred. He goes four for five
in the first game, so he's batting four oh four.
He can decide to sit down. Ted Williams plays in
the second game, went two for three, and he ended
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up with a batting average of four oh six. That
to me, now, hold on mark that to me rivals
this with regular season monumental achievement pressure that you could
have rounded up to four hundred. And he's like, no,
I'm playing both games of the doubleheader and he ends
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up batting four oh six.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
And Dan, it's almost like the decision is the most
impressive thing to do it because I checked a couple
other places he would have finished officially with a four
hundred batting average if he sat the last two games.
Like it wasn't there is a light question about it,
but I checked a few different places it was going
to be considered four hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And look, he batted four oh six, thirty seven homers,
one hundred and twenty runs battered in that year, so
the numbers don't compare necessarily to a TONI but if
we're looking at a standalone game, the last guy to
bat four hundred, they could have rounded up he would
have batted four hundred. He he ran the risk of
batting under four hundred, and he said, I'm playing both
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games of the double header, even when he's already got it,
doesn't have to play. The second game he plays, he
goes four for five, and then he goes two for three,
ends up at four oh six. So I would say
regular season pressure and the numbers, how significant that number is.
Nobody's ever going to about four hundred again. Now we
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might say, is anybody gonna go fifty five to fifty five?
Probably not, but I can guarantee nobody's gonna about four
hundred again and not even get close. Yes, Marvin and
Ted Williams still didn't win MVP that season. No, he
did not.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That is, he was not.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
He was not well liked even by the writers who
covered him in Boston. That's so he bats four oh six,
But Joe di as a fifty six game hitting streak.
More impressed. Would you rather what would you rather have
bat four oh six or have a hit at least
one hit and fifty six consecutive games? Todd, I'll start
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with you.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm going to go with batting of over four hundred
for the entire season.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I think is more the right seaton. Four hundred is
pretty special. Yeah, Marvin bat four hundred. Yeah, Paulie, this
is a really, really tough one. I can't believe we've
never discus before.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
At first I thought Demasio, but people have been kind
of close. You can go on a two month hot
streak or two and a half months and get it
four oh six. It's really hasn't been close in this generation.
I'm gonna go four o six, four hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, we did have when it mattered, when batting average mattered.
That's when you had George Brett and you had Tony Gwinn.
It doesn't matter anymore. I mean, if you bat three
twenty seven, you can win the batting title. I mean
that would have been an off year for some of
these guys. Four oh six not going to be approached.
I do think we could get somebody to go fifty
to fifty. As great as these athletes are, uh, you know,
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we even brought up Alecunya had forty one homers and
seventy three stolen bases. It's not far off from fitty fitting.
But yeah, Otani's numbers have been video game like mind boggling,
and uh, I'm guessing unanimous MVP. That sound right. I
don't know who else is, although Francisco Lindor was he
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getting MVP love second place? They're like second.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Place, MVP second place.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Ru Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
What really helps everything for Otani is that the Dodgers
haven't just controlled the division and wanted a week and
a half ago, so they still have to play everybody
for these last few games of the season. If they were,
you know, kind of a Dodgers from a couple of
years ago where there were twelve games ahead, he may
have sat down.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, it's a great point. Great point. Let me see
if I have any other crazy, uh goofy numbers. Otani
fourteen hits over his last four games. The last time
that happened with the Dodgers nineteen twenty five, the impressive
Milt Stock, he had sixteen hits. That's a fun name,
Milt Stock. Milt Stock. Yeah, I don't know. It just
(34:46):
doesn't sound like that's a star. Hey, what's your name,
I'm Milt Stock. In nineteen twenty five, it probably was
no you think so, No, milk Stock Yeah, yeah, Milt
stocks On unbelieve.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Seen, are we underappreciating a fifty six game hitting streak
by everybody saying four hundred because it feels like, oh,
it's only a matter of time before somebody breaks that,
But really nobody is even coming close.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Oh, I don't think either one will be broken. But
you know, batting average doesn't matter. Therefore nobody cares about
getting on base, getting a little bunt or any of
that stuff. That's why four oh six isn't going to
be touched in our lifetime. I don't think fifty six games.
I mean, there's certain numbers that will just never be broken,
and those are two. It's rare to say in baseball.
(35:36):
Those numbers won't be broken, but they will not be broken.
Jimmy Rollins is probably the closest.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
In like recent memory, that was two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, he hit thirty eight games.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, and Pete Rose had forty four and then that
was a seventy g Yeah. I remember that one. Pete
was upset with Geene Garber the Braves because he goes
always pitching like it's the World Series. Pete, You're hit
like it's the World Series, So why can't the pitcher
pitch like it's the World Series?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yes, Tom, how many times during that fifty six game
hitting streak, is it possible that Joe only got one
hit and it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Was Was it a hit and they'll call.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
It a hit?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
There could be a few of those in there.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Wait, are you calling out the streak?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I'm saying it's an incredible accomplishment compared to the four
hundred ninting average.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
But within that fifty six game hitting streak, a number
of them could have been one hits, and some of
the judging of those hits could have.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Been Well, Williams had some hits that maybe weren't hits
in his four oh six batting.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
But it's over an entire season that's supposed to It.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Means you got to get lucky a lot of times
over the course of the entire series. Yeah, you got
to get a little blooper in there. Come on, now,
give me a little bit, go come on now. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Paul I went back and looked at the nineteen forty
one AL MVP voting because Marvin said it that Ted
Williams somehow lost, So.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He loses to Joe Demagio.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
So this is the AL MVP voting, Joe Demagio, Ted Williams,
Bob Feller, household names and still like all time greats.
The NL MVP voting, Dolph Camilli, Pete Reiser, and Wit Wyatt.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
They had a couple of Dodgers in there. Yeah, but
the AO was top heavy back then. Yeah. But if
you go back to what is it nineteen sixty three
when Wilt Chamberlain averaged fifty points, I don't think he
was the MVP. I think I think imagine you averaged
fifty just probably he probably averaged twenty four rebounds and
(37:26):
fifty points. And I think Oscar Robertson, because he had
a triple double, may have won the MVP. No, No,
Bill Russell won the MVP. I think that year, Bully, Yeah,
Bill Russell. He actually won it handily. Bill Russell got
fifty one first place votes. Wilt got nine. Well, I
it's similar to Bill Russell to Joe DiMaggio as Wilt
(37:49):
was to Ted Williams because they weren't necessarily liked. And
how do you how many rebounds did Wilt average that year?
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Nineties?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I got it? I was it six?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Three?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I gotta believe he went fifty twenty three. Yeah, they
didn't even keep blocks back then. He probably averaged five assists.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
This is a sixty one sixty two seasons sixty Okay.
Will Chamberlain's twenty five years old. He averaged fifty point
four points per game twenty five point seven rebounds. Here's
the kicker. He played forty eight and a half minutes
per game. He played every second of every game, including
a couple of overtime games.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, how is it you could never come out if
you're up by like thirty twenty, like you're on a bench, Hey, Wilton,
that will never be broken? Well, it's got seventy five?
Speaker 6 (38:37):
You think I could get in tonight?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
There there was no you know, time management, game management.
Back then, you were playing every single minute. Imagine being
the backup center. You're like, hey, Will, It was probably
like Darryl Imhoff was the backup center for Will back then,
Hey could I get in a little bit. It's like
(39:03):
be in the backup for Peyton Manning. He never wanted
to come out of the game. But yeah, four oh six,
neither one will be broken. Neither one
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