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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's back.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
He's back better than ever as opposed to last Tuesday
when he wasn't able to join us. Saquon Barkley the
Eagles joining us on the program. Give me the difference
in morale, how you're feeling is opposed this Tuesday is
opposed to last Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, I mean, Victory Mondays are definitely a lot better.
But for me to be honest, I've been something that
I've been once folks on this season, you know, work
on my trains and work or what.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Every one of my.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Mentors is not really getting too caught up in the
results and just fall in love with the process.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
So week to weeks, just being consistent and that.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
And if I'm able to stay more consistent, I'm gonna have,
you know, gain more games like this week rather than
a loss.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
How long is that lost stay with you?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Uh, it's probably you know, it's definitely a little bit
more difficult when you know there's usually three to four
plays a game that I want to lose you a game,
and when you're.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Part of that reason sticks with you a little longer.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
But I kind of just had a nice little hour
ride back home because the traffic. After the game, you know,
went to sleep, woke up, watch film, watched the play
and kind of just put in the past.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
That's the beauty of the NFL.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
You know you got this.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
We had to go to New Orleans Saints right away,
so you couldn't really you know, harp on it too much.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But lunch free mistakes. Move on from him?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
What was film session?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean, when you really break it down, I probably
had a better game, not statistically, uh against Atlanta than
I had this week against Saints, but just one play.
You know, I was assisting that whole game and I
just relaxed in a big moment and you know, dropped
the ball.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But then you get the tight game against New Orleans.
Do you say anything like what's the huddle like with
the game on the line, who's talking other than Jay?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
All of us? You know, all of us.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I think that's the beauty of this team. We've got
a lot of you know, captains and leaders on his team.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
And that moment, you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Know, I can remember in the auto right before that
two minute drive. You know, we're all looking at each
other just saying no matter what final way, just continue
to believe in each other, and it will go down
and drive and put points on the board.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
And Dallas came up big for us on that drives.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Can you lobby for the ball like receivers do this
all the time? Can you go back and say either
to offensive coaches or quarterback, that give me the ball.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
The beauty of having Kellen on the sideline is, you know,
he has a better feel for the game.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
He can he can get a feel for the game.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So sometimes you know you're in the game and you're
getting that that zone and you're flowing right, you know,
you can look to the sideline or when you're over there,
you can let them know, like this is what I see,
this is what I like, and this is what I
don't like. You gotta have those conversations and it can
get changed.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Right there is the running game back, Like, I don't
want to overreact to this, but it's certainly it feels
like teams are running the ball a little bit more
through three weeks.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Uh yeah, I will say so.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I'm not trying to overreact to it either, but uh,
you see a lot of backs, you know, having a
lot of great games.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You know, that's just the nature of the game.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You're paying a lot of money to these quarterbacks and
c these wide receivers, so defense got to come up with,
you know, game plans and schemes and make sure you
don't throw the ball around.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
And you know, we have all that.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
We have great receivers, great tight ends, great linemen, and
I believe I'm a I'm a pretty decent back, and
we have a great quarterback. So we haven't been you know,
put it all together yet. So when we put it
all together, we're gonna be a hard team stop.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, But I don't understand this that the running back
got kicked to the curb. Everybody else got paid, and
running backs didn't like you were you were like scratching
and clawing just to get you know, a million dollars
more whatever. It was like it felt like you're almost
begging for people to pay you what you think you're worth.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
That.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
What was the process like going through that.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I think it's just the timing, you know, it's just
bad timing, especially for me when when it was time
for me to get paid. But it's it's you know,
everyone is all into analytics and stats and this and that,
and you know, if you look at the numbers of
what's the highest rusher that was paid the most in
the Super Bowl, and you know the quarterbacks and obviously
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the quarterbacks is the one that feels it.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
And you can get a lot of these great backs.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And later rounds and uh you know, use them for
three years and then continue to have that. But you know,
I think that's just something that people just make up.
It's it's not really me. I think one of the
better quarterbacks in the NFL right now is brob Perty
shout out to him. You know, obviously gonna have a
be scholarship together. But he's he was the last pick
of the draft, you know what I mean, he was
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the last pick of the draft. And uh NFC championship game,
the gear before Super Bowl game last year. So you know,
it's just everything. It's kind of just what they want
the motive to be. But I'm just blessing, you know,
happy for the opportunity I have right now.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You should go to Applebee's full uniform, just walk in,
sit down, eye black helmet on, just place an order,
just sit there.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I think I should and especially get to fifty bonus
wings on what they have going on right now. So
and and if I go on a cheat that get
my favorite a triple with chocolate melkdown cake.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
We've been doing this. I've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It's very rare when somebody reaches out and sends a
personal note a text to say I'm sorry I can't
join you. I have great respect for you and certainly
appreciated you doing that. You didn't have to. I did
agree that you shouldn't have come on after that loss.
It wouldn't have been a good look for you, but
you know you had a sponsorship there. But thank you
for sending the text to the show. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, of course, I felt like that was the right
thing to do.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And I saw what you put out there, and I
agree to I don't think more so of not being
a good look for me, because at the end of
the day, I'm a big boy. I get paid a
lot of money. That happens when when you're make mistakes
or you let a team down. You got to face
those questions. And I did that after the game, and
to be honest, throughout the whole week leading up to
the Saints. But I definitely felt like it would have
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took off a lot of you know, the focus on
you know, the sponsor and Applebee's and you know, the
the official bar and grow of the NFL, and I
said fifty allness wins by the way.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
But yeah, but for me, I just felt that was
the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And you know, being a big fan of your show,
and obviously you know, talking to you and send down
with you and you know, kind of being mentored and
gave me a lot of great advice.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I felt that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
If you if you need advice to go into this
business one day, my advice would be to get into
the business quicker while you're still playing. I think that's
really important to get get some reps here, you know,
learn learn how to ask questions, or if you're going
to be just an analyst, watch analysts certain analysts and
say all right, I'm gonna pattern myself. But if this
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is what you want to do, start working on that now.
As I told you when I think I saw you
in Miami at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, on that topic, how do you feel about podcasts
for athletes?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Well, you got to tell me something and you got
to be careful, Like Micah Parsons, to me, is becoming
more for a podcaster and what he says than the
way he's playing, because Dallas hasn't been playing well and
he's a wonderful player. It's just you gotta be careful
if you're going to do one what are you saying
while you're still playing? And people aren't going to just
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tune in, go oh, say Kwon Barkley's got a podcast.
They want to know what is different about your podcast?
And that's the That's the true challenge that I tell
athletes or former athletes. What are you telling me that
I can't get elsewhere? What are you doing that's different
than anybody else? That would be the challenge that I
would have for you. Have somebody on with you, but
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you got to say things. You gotta have you gotta
have content there and a lot of people don't want
to say anything. So that's where I would call you.
If you go in and do it, then do it
and have a purpose, have a game. I mean, it's
no different than you wen week out have a game plan,
but you got to have that game plan, you know.
Draymond Green has done a pretty good job, but he
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likes being a bad guy. He likes being the villain.
You know, are you are you capable of like you're
too likable? You know, can you can you be a
bad guy? Do you want to be a villain?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Those are things that you have to embrace and and
that's really the big challenge I find for athletes.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, I think I think more of a find a ways,
like on a bye week or play a safe player
Thursday night game in short week, trying to get on
television and then do stuff like that because that's actually
something I want to do. I've had a passion for
it ever since I got in the league. But like
you said, I think it's you have to be able to,
you know, have purpose behind it, and it's hard to balance,
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especially in the NFL, and you know, you only have
seventeen weeks and when you're balling and you're playing high,
it's easy on that show and talk, but you have
an important drop in Monday night football and everyone's saying
you suck and you should go back to New York.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I do.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I do like the podcast Athletes because I feel like
it gives you a say, especially during my whole conversation
or the whole negotiation process with New York and there
would be stories lead to me and oh it's this
number or that number.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
It gives you your voice. But I think I think
you hit it on you know, I think you hit
on that.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But that's that's the right approach. But will would you
have been willing to come on after that loss when
you drop the pass that next day and do a
podcast and be honest with people? Would you be honest
with you know, some of the hate that you got
from fans, the anger you got from fans. Now if
you do that, now you got some people's attention there.
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But are you willing to do that to be that revealing?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I think it's it depends, right. It's easier. I feel
like when it's all on my back because I can
go over there and talk about myself. But like you said,
you know, when I'm working for a brand and you
know obviously we're here on behalf of Applebee's kind of
taking you know, the spotlight away from them when you
know they've been doing thea's job for me and putting
me in a position. So when when it's on your
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own self and you know it's I do it anyway.
I have twenty thousand cameras in my face saying how
do you feel about that drop?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Isn't that the third? You know?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So it's like I answered the question, and so I
feel like you have your voice there, but then you
also have your voice on your own platform. But it's
a give and take and it's tough, and you know,
I think Micah, you know, obviously being a good friend
of Micah, you know, I think.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
He's doing a great job.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But like I said, especially in that market, it definitely
could be you know, Dallas, Philly in New York, those
probably three.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You gotta win, you gotta win. I mean that that
makes it a whole lot easier. What bothered you about
Hard Knocks in how you were portrayed.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
To be honest, it really wasn't hard knocks. It was
more of the year prior with negotiation, because like you
would get these you would get these numbers that would
come out and be like Saquon turn down this, and
Saquon turned all that, and like some of the numbers
would be correct, but they're like they would give you
some of the truth, but not the whole truth, and
like just the truth to kind of spin it and
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make a certain person look bad, and it's just like, well,
all right, if me and you are having this conversation,
right and we're talking numbers, and then it goes out
that this number was said, and only me and you
had this conversation, and I'm not the one who says it.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I know it definitely came from you.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
So for the Hard Knocks say, I thought the Hard
Knots was a cool, unique way to let fans in
because obviously it's always been about training camp, but let
fans in and see the off season and see how
really like because I watched the episode three and I
think it was cool how they like they have like
the poker table and like they're like, Okay, this is
when you gotta do this the spot, get the office
a linement. It gives fan the opportunity to see that
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have that perspective. But for me it was weird, I
guess because a lot of it is about me, and
like I was like, it felt like it was just like,
all right, my name was just getting used because in reality,
it was like I had one phone call with Joe,
which was the phone call that was on and my
agent probably spoke to him a couple of times, but
like on this side, like in my life in reality,
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it was like the Giants really never were actually in
play the second time for me going to negotiation of
hitting the Free Agency when they could have been the
whole time.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
So it was fun.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
It was it was different, but I really think it
was cool for the fans for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I felt bad for you because I don't think you
knew that you were being taped, that this was on camera,
that you're kind of negotiating. And then when did you
find out that they were going to put that on
Hard Knocks and you didn't even know that you were
being recorded?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I wasn't upset about that. Uh, you know, it's part
of business. Like I said, I didn't find out to
the trailer. I saw a trailer like the Hard Knocks
of the Giants, and I was like.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Oh, it's gonna be pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And I looked at it and I heard, uh, you know,
the conversation to me, But I wasn't really upset about it.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Honestly.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I reached out to to Joe and I was just like,
I wish you would have told me.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I would have put my active voice on. I would
have you know, I would have gave me.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I would have gave a TV uh a TV answer,
and you know, uh, you know, made a little more fun,
spiced up the show a little bit more. But uh yeah,
it's it's that that really didn't bother me and I
when they.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Told you, say, when they told you, hey, go out
and get another offer and then let us know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm like, who does that?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Who says, hey, you know, good luck out there, and
then but let us know, Hey, you're gonna let us know?
And I go, he's not gonna let you know. Once
he gets that offer, he's gone.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You're not coming back.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It's I give you say to your wife, hey, if
you find a better offer, go ahead, but you know,
I hope you come back to me.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Hun, Hey, listen, you're you're you're talking way too lachical
right now.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
A lot of people need it.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
A little more like you if if I'll be honest,
that conversation too. Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I had a whole year, you know, he said.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Joe said, it took however many years off his life
the negotiation process the year before, but it probably took
ten times more on my life.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
But shout out to my agent to be honest.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Before the conversation, he was just like, just keep it
short and sweet, so I didn't overreact to that. I
just kind of, you know, I said what I said,
And you know, I still feel the same way about
New York and the Giants organization. Got nothing but love
for those guys and Miss maryor family and Tish family.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, you're just glad that you're in an Eagles uniform
instead of a Giant's uniform.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I'm having a bless I'm blessed. I'm still in the NFL.
I'm loving it. Just some guys that would love be
in my position, you say.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Kawan Barkley joining us on behalf of Applebee's. They're teaming
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favorite boneless wings. Great to talk to you, good luck,
and thanks for joining us. As always, always a pleasure man.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
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Speaker 3 (14:56):
Wapp former NFL quarterback, he was Rookie of the Year
with Washington and his podcast is Out of Pocket with
RG three, who joints us back on the program.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Good to have you on. What did you see last night?
Where do you want to start?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Dan?
Speaker 7 (15:12):
First of all, I want to say thank you for
having me on man. Always a big fan of you guys,
Always been great to me. So I mean the question
is where do you want to start? I mean, there's
so much that happened in that game.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
All right, Well let me start with Jayden Daniels. And
I want to know, with being a rookie quarterback, most
important element of a rookie quarterback is it the head coach,
the offensive coordinator or is it the tools around the quarterback?
If you had to pick one of those three, yeah,
you know, then I think it's all three.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
To answer your question specifically, I think it's the tools
around the quarterback. But I think that goes for not
just a rookie QB, but for any quarterback. You know,
for him to have scary Terry McLaurin there, a true
bona fide number one wide receiver, to have Austin Eckler there.
I know he went out in the game with the concussion,
but his presence there on third downs throughout the season
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has been phenomenal. Of course, Brian Robinson also being there,
and then Zach Ertz. We mentioned all these guys and
every single one of them showed up big in the game.
Scary Terry had the big catch at the end. He
also had the fifty five yard completion early in the
game taking the top off the defense. Zach Ertz had
the huge fourth down conversion, and Eckler had a huge
kickoff return.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
But you know, for me, it's with Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
It's like a star wasn't born last night because he
was already a star, but he is now the brightest
light that we have coming out of Washington, DC. And
that includes anyone who becomes the President of the United States,
because in DC, there's no better city, there's no better
city to win in in my opinion than in Washington.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
D C.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Well, the star didn't come out, We validated the stars,
it feels like because it's sort of a standalone game.
And now if this is a one o'clock game on Sunday,
people might go, oh, I saw the highlight when you
you need to see the totality of a game, certainly
with a rookie to go he had a good game
or he didn't have a good game, because stats can lie.
When we just showed the highlights, there can you run
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smart like how do you run smart if you're Jadeen Daniels.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think his game is more than
just the running, Dan. You know, when you look at
the way that that it went first and foremost, I
think Jayden Daniels gives DC hope, hope they haven't had
in over a decade. And that shows up when he
makes the big throw down the field to Terry McLaren,
even though they're in quarters coverage and he looks off,
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the safety doesn't just stare him down and he makes
that throw.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And if you actually go back.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
And watch the tape, he made that throw slightly late,
which shows you how much arm talent he has and
how much arm strength he has that he was able
to make up for being just like a half a
second late on the throw to drop a diamond to
scary Terry McLaren. But I know there's a lot of
people out there breaking down tape, Dan, and I just
have to say that unless you played the position, you'll
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never understand how special of a performance what Jayden Daniels
did last night was on fourth and four on since
he's thirty nine yard line and they're trying to determine
are they going to go for it. He tells the coach,
lets go, has ice in his veins and completes a
nice stop route to zach Ertz for a first down.
And then, of course I think everyone's broken down the
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touchdown pass. You know at the end against cover zero.
Everyone in the world, in the football world, should I say,
knew that Louenna Rumo was going to call cover zero,
And for Cliff Kingsbury to have the cahonas to trust
his rookie quarterback to throw a double move against cover
zero shows you how much the coach is there in
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that organization believe in Jayden Daniels. But then the throw itself,
him having his eyes in the right place, gaining depth
out of the drop to make sure he had enough
time to stare down the barrel of the shotgun, knowing
that he's going to get hit, waits just long enough
and still makes the throw. I think what a lot
of people understand is he didn't even see how much
of a dime he threw Dan until his friends and
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family showed him after the game. That's how hard he
got hit. And you know they weren't showing that replay
in Sincy. So for him to make that type of
play in that moment. To me, it wipes out all
the conversation about how does he run? You know, is
there a safe way to run? Because what he showcased
last night was his prowess as a thrower. And I
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was trying to stress that to everybody in the offseason. Yes,
he's the most dynamic runner in all college football, but
he was also the most dynamic passer throwing the football
down the field, and he showed that off time and
time again against the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You think he's better than Caleb Williams, that's a great question.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
But I stated very specifically that I thought Caleb Williams
was the number one quarterback in the draft, but that
I believe that Jade and Daniel was the most explosive quarterback,
both as.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
A runner and as a passer.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
And I think that's to me, Dan, and you know
how this thing goes and how the draft formulates and
how all the storylines get created, But this isn't a
Caleb Williams versus Jaden Daniels thing.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
To me.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
This isn't a CJ. Stroud versus Bryce Young. I think
it's a battle or a fight upon expectations and when
you give a quarterback like Caleb Williams, whose ultra talent
had been working since he's six years old to be
in this position. You give him three number one wide receivers,
a dynamic running back, a solid offensive line, and the
defense that everybody expected to be top ten. Expectations are
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through the roof, So now he's playing like a rookie.
They're one and two and people are panicking for Jaden Daniels.
In Washington, there were no expectations. I don't know who
you picked for the game, Dan, but I don't think
anybody picked Washington other than myself in true Washington commanders fans.
So he has taken an opportunity where there was no expectations,
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and now he's turned it into an opportunity to lead
not just a team, but an entire city. So I
think that's where the compare in between him and Caleb
Williams kind of goes awry because they're in two totally
different situations with totally different expectations.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
He's RG three, His podcast on YouTube is out of
Pocket with RG three wherever you get your podcast. What's
different about Josh Allen with this team that it doesn't
seem like they have the manpower on defense, they lose
steph On Diggs. He's playing great. Yes, well down.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
It's the old cliche, or I wouldn't say cliche, But
when you have a true number one wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Like a Stephan Diggs, there's.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
An expectation once again for you to throw him football right.
Everything has to start with that guy because if it doesn't,
it can kind of throw your team off.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And he's so talented that.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
You want to get him the football ten, twelve, fifteen
times a game, or at least get him that many targets.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I think for Josh Allen, a.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Big h he's had a chance to take a big,
deep breath right, get that monkey off his back off.
You have to throw the football to this guy consistently
all the time. And now he's able to just drop back,
go through his progressions, make his reads, and get the
football to the right guy. And I look at this
as the same situation, and I also brought this up
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in the offseason. It's the same situation that Mahomes had
with Tyreek Hill. Once Tyreek Hill left, Mahomes now had
to go through his reads and he had he even
talked about it. He had to read defenses a lot
more studiously so that he could get the ball to
where it's supposed to go instead of dropping back and saying, hey,
Tyreek Hill's got to be open somewhere down there. So
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now Josh Allen is proving that their offense can be
more efficient without step On Diggs, and it's helping him
as a player because he doesn't have that, you know,
the one angel on his shoulder and the devil on
the other shoulder saying.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
The Devi's like, he you're gonna throw the stupbou Day's
all the time, They're just like, no, read the coverage,
it's covered four, don't throw the posts. The safety takes
the out route.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
So I think Josh Allen is experiencing that, and it
was good to see Keyon Coleman actually get his first
NFL touchdown as well, because I believe he can turn
into that number one wide out. But in the meantime,
I think Josh Allen's having more fun playing football.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, you talk about an interesting luxury, but it's a
dichotomy or conundrum. It's I got to keep that guy happy.
And I thought this was the detriment of Baker Mayfield
in Cleveland with obj that he kept having you know,
you got to keep him happy. That's your guy. And
then gets to the detriment of you and you see
this with quarterbacks, and you bring up the great point.
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You lose Tyreek Hill and Mahomes became an even better quarterback.
Speaking of which, Trevor Lawrence keep waiting, We keep waiting,
and he doesn't get a lot of coverage, like negative coverage.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Correct, Why, oh, man, Dan, that's a that is this
is why you're one of the best, man because those
It's a great question. I think part of the reason
is he's in Jacksonville and Jacksonville is not a big
market team, whereas if he was in New York or
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DC that he would certainly get negative coverage. It's kind
of the same reason he got paid. Right, if you
look at what he got paid for what he had
produced on the field, that those don't add up. And
I don't think anyone with you know, who's thinking clearly
would say that, yeah, that adds up. I'm not trying
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to take money away from anybody. I'm happy he got paid.
I'm happy Daniel Jones Jones got paid. Should they have
probably not right, they probably should have had more years
to prove that they were the guy. But when you're
a guy like Trevor Lawrence, you come out of high
school as a top rated prospect, you go to Clemson
and you and you're a top rated prospect coming out
as well, there's a little more leniency. And he has
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all the size, the strength, the measurables, the beautiful luscious hair,
head and shoulders hair, you know, but don't I don't
understand why he doesn't get more negative coverage in the
sense of constructive criticism.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You know me, I'm not a negative guy.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
I will constructively criticize guys and say, hey, your feet
aren't matching up, you're not making the right throws.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You're trying to force this in there.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
And I think right now Trevor Lawrence is trying to
prove why they paid him when I don't think that's
how you should ever play the quarterback position. For for instance,
we're not talking about him anymore, but Jaden Daniels, he
has this uncanny ability to not try to do too much.
I know as a runner, he can, you know, maybe
slide a little bit earlier, not take some hits, but
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to have the highest completion percentage ever for a rookie
quarterback in a game at ninety one point three percent
was beyond incredible. But when you watch the actual game,
he's just taking what the defense gives him. And I
think for Trevor Lawrence, that's what he has to get
back to. It's not playing conservatively and it's not playing scared.
It's playing the position the right way. When it's time
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to take a shot, take the shot. When it's time
to throw the checkdown, throw the dang check down. And
I think that's how he can get himself back into
playing in a better rhythm and people will stop questioning
why he got paid and what's going on in Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'm also trying to understand the Dolphins philosophy. I wouldn't
have extended Tua because I can't hold my breath. I yeah,
I know that he had a wonderful year. I can't
live play to play with him, and if I do
extend him, then I really have to go after a
quarterback who can play this system and is a viable backup.
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Now that's where I would have said to Tua, you're
gonna take less money, and I got to make sure
I have a great backup in case you get injured,
otherwise I can't extend you. It just to me, it
didn't make sense. And I know that he had a
wonderful year. Yeah, I just and now this situation, they
don't have a good backup. I don't know if you
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asked Pittsburgh, would you trade Russell Wilson? Like, this is
a team that's ready to win now, supposed to win now.
So where do you stand on this dolphin situation?
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You know, if you look at Tua in a vacuum, right,
no outside influences, I think you have some solid points. Hey,
he's had some concussion issues, we don't some other injury issues,
you know, can we really can we really trust that
he's going.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
To stay healthy. Those are all solid points.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
But when you take in all the outside contexts, and
we just talked about a guy in Trevor Lawnce who got.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Paid, who had a good year two years ago.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Tuas put together two top five quarterback seasons, so he
had earned the money and earned the right to get
paid at that level. But your point about the backup
QB is why the backup quarterback is the second most
important position on any team, Because for years we've heard
people say since Mike McDaniel got there.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Anybody can run the system.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Anybody can throw the ball Tyreek Hill, anybody can throw
the ball to Jaylen Waddle.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Anybody can hand the ball off to a chain and moster.
And now you see that that's not really the case.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
So for me, I'm you know one, I don't think
anybody should should be Everybody can have an opinion, right then,
I don't think anybody should be telling two what he
should do with his career. That's his decision. He's the
only one that can make that decision. Yeah, right, absolutely.
But now with them in the quarterback position, Skylett Thompson
goes down. You got Tim Boyle out there Snoop Pontley
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is on the team. They just claimed him from the
Ravens practice squad. Who is going to be able to
run this system the right way? I don't know, but
none of them are going to be to a tongue
of iolola. And if you were to say, hey, well
the starter got hurt, the backup's not as good, everyone
would tell you, yeah, well no, dug. But this is
why the veteran quarterback is so important in the NFL.
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Andy Dalton in Carolina, Why was.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He so successful.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
It's not because the Carolina Panthers or Dave Nalys or
Dan Morgan developed him as a player. Right, he's been
in the league first ninety years, Okay, he he's and
he's played at a high level at times, especially when
he was the starter for the Cincinnati Bengals. But you
need guys like Andy Dalton in the quarterback room because
if your quarterback does go down, you know that you
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have a quarterback that can make you a playoff contender.
And we don't know that. We didn't know that about
Skylett Thompson. We don't know that about Tim Boyle. I'm
pretty interested in seeing Snoopontle out there. Former teammate love him,
but we don't know that about him either. So their
situation is, you know, they're up a creek without a paddle,
without two because of what they did at the backup
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quarterback position. And you can't fix that now. Trading for
Russell Wilson, who has a calf injury, You're gonna trade
for a guy that that that's not healthy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, no, once he's cleared lunch, he's cleared, would you,
Adam Schefter said Zack Wilson to bring him in and
that's situation. Okay, So how do you feel about that, Dan,
I don't. I don't know how the same as you.
You just have said it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You're telling me, you're saying it right to me. Before
I let you go, I thought about this. If I
lined you up at your peak against Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Oh wow, okay, who wins. Let's go one hundred meters?
Who wins?
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Tyrek wins the hundred? Yeah, he's a He's a ten
to one one hundred guy out of high school. You know,
at my peak and at his peak. I was a
ten one hundred guy as well, But at his peak
he wins the hundred. Any anything else? Any I think
if you go down it's it's favoring him personally. Sixty forty,
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one hundred him. Anything over two hundred I win, hands down.
Two hundred is actually a lot closer than you think,
even though I know he was a great two hundred
meter runner, but you know, Tyreek is he's next level.
I do think that he could he could beat no
Allows in a forty though I think a sixty no
Allows beats him. But in a forty I think that
that no Allows can beat him. I mean that's a
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that's Tyree can be Noah.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Just because Noah gets a slow start and and Tyreek
is so great. I mean he gets into top gear
as quick, if not quicker than anybody.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Yeah, I would tell you go look at tyreek sixty
that he ran a few years ago, and look at
obviously Noah's pr in the sixty. They're not close as
far as like in track terms, there are times, but
if you bring that down to a forty, yeah, Tyreek
definitely has a chance there because that, like you said,
that's not the strongest part of no allows his race.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean, of yeah, I have no allows the race.
What's it like to run fast?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Well, you know, Dan, I actually raced an F one
car like a few months ago. And I don't mean
like in the like driver's seat, I mean like on foot.
So I was actually winning for like thirty yards. I
was very proud out of myself, Dad, And then the
last ten I was like running and I could see
the car like seven blocks away.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It was funny.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
But to run fast, it's like, you know, you see
the images of the dogs running and like their ears
are flapping and the wind is blowing in their face.
That's what it feels like to run fast. The wind
is just you just feel that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And I hope you've experienced that at least no time
in your life. I haven't.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I the one thing I experienced, and I tell the
Dan it's this. I was in London for the Olympics
and saw Bolt run the two hundred. And when you
watch somebody, you know, TV will frame it so you
don't really get an idea of how fast they're running.
They're running fast, but the camera stays with you. I'm
on the turn and Bolt is coming around the turn
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and I said to my wife, I said, the race
is over, and she goes, it's over. I said, no,
it's going to be over because if you didn't get him,
you didn't you get him there, You weren't getting him.
The visual is incredible to watch somebody the fastest man
in the world in history and when he makes that turn,
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the camera is not on him. My TV's not on
him that way, It's just me watching him. And it
was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean, it's.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
Why a lot of people in the track world get
upset when people talk about, Hey, this football player is
the fastest.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Guy in the world or whatever it may be.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Because they understand not just you saying bolt, but just
how fast.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
These track athletes are.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Like DK metcalf when he ran a few years ago
and ended up getting last in that race and there
was no premier runners in that race. Then you see
the pole vaulter Mondo de Plantis goes out and runs
a faster time than DK Metcalfe did in the hundred
as a pole vulter. Right, it's crazy, But Dan, I know,
you gotta know you gotta let me go and you
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gotta gotta move on. He's doing a great job at
your show. Can I tell one last story about Jaydon Daniels. Okay,
they're playing the Bucks week one and they got blown out.
So Jane Dawns is a guy that I mentor and
I enjoy my conversations with him because of how dynamic
of a player he is, but how good of a
person he is as well. And if you remember in
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that game, late in the fourth quarter, he scored his
second rushing touchdown and he didn't celebrate, and I was
talking to him about it, and for me, it was
like that's all I needed to see to know where
this kid is going to go because he's not focused
on anything else but winning, because winning is the standard.
His whole team wanted to celebrate the touchdown run, and
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he waved him off, like, this is not what we're about.
And when I talked to him after that game, that's
what he said to me. The standard is winning. I'm
not here for individual stats and individual accomplishments. Even though
it's really cool that his first touchdown passes to an
offensive blindman.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Pretty awesome stuff, right, But.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
I knew in that moment that not only this kid
is a star and he's exactly what the Washing Commander's need,
but I truly believe that he can be the best
quarterback the Washington Commanders franchise has ever had. And I
know that's a lot to say after just three games,
but watching him the way that he's processing his feeder
and rhythm, how he's not trying to do too much
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and he's just taking what the defense gives him. That's
a recipe for long term success. And I'm very excited
because Washington deserves this. The fan base, the city, they
deserve a quarterback Jane Daniels, and they've been through a
lot over the years, so I'm very excited. That's why
I got my Sean Taylor Jersey on right now because
this is exactly what the city needed.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Great to talk to you, Good luck with the podcast,
and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 3 (35:52):
He's Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback, the senior NFL reporter.
Always great to see him. Let's start with a state
of the Union with each of the team last night.
Let me start with the undefeated Buffalo Bills. What do
you think so far?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Like, I think Josh Allen's probably and meant look as
really early, but Josh Allen's probably.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
The MVP of the league through three weeks.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
And I think it's a result of and I don't
want to make this like Josh versus Stefan Diggs, but
I can remember, you know, I can remember Tom Brady
winning an MVP the year they traded away Randy Moss,
and I can remember talking.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
To Brady about that.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
They traded for Dion Branch right after, and it was
like like it wasn't like he was happy to see
Randy go, but it was all right, Like now I
can kind of just go out there and play point
guard and all five guys are alive on every route and.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It was sort of freeing to him.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
And I think you can see that with Josh now right,
like where he doesn't have to look over every three
or four plays to make sure that the number one
guy has got the ball, so he's playing point guard.
And when you add that to his like otherworldly ability
to make off schedule play to run to get the
ball down field, I think you're seeing a really complete
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player now. And I think you gotta give Sean McDermott
credit for the job they've done on defense too, Like
their defensive front's really impressive with that Oliver and Greg
Russou is playing really well. But that back seven, like
no Matt Mlano, Tredevius White's gone, they lost Michael Hyde.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And Jordan Poyer, and so to be playing as well.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
As they are on the back end of their defense
in the back seven, I think it's a real credit
to the front office, to Sean McDermott, to Bobby Babbage,
to all the people that have kind of contributed to
developing young talent there because they lost a lot of
guys on the back end of that defense.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, you bring up a couple of great points there
that you don't have that number one receiver to go to.
Because RG three joined this last hour and he said
that Mahomes maybe became a better quarterback when Tyreek Hill
left because he was able to kind of distribute wherever
he wanted to. You don't have to keep somebody happy
all the time. And then talking about that defense, I know,
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we're we're traying Buffalo as kind of a wounded animal
of they're not that good. They're kind of like playing
a little bit better than we thought. But and we
said this at the beginning of the year because they
lost so many players, maybe we really realize the value
of Josh Allen if the team is successful that he's
he doesn't have the star power that other teams have.
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Therefore he's probably going to get extra credit.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Is it not exactly the situation Mahomes was in two
years ago when they traded Tyreek right like, and now
all of a sudden, I mean, and it's the reality
of having a quarterback on such a big contract, right
is that you have to build a different way, and
generally it takes a year or two after the guy.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Gets paid to sort of feel the effects of that.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
But you know what ends up happening, Dan is like, okay, Like,
so now at the top of our roster, we can
pay a few less guys and we're gonna have to
fill holes through the draft instead of filling them, you know,
with a five or ten million dollar free agent. And
you know, I think Mahomes has been awesome the last
two years, despite you know, the revolving door at receiver
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that they've dealt with, and he really showed his value
and how they played the last couple of years. He
like bought time for a young defense to really grow
up and come into its own. And you know, I
think we're seeing the same sort of dynamic in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Now, I know that nobody wants to say it, Travis
Kelce doesn't look good.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, and it's you know, he's a given.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Now granted he might be almost sliding into that Gronk
role of don't worry about the regular season, just worry
about the postseason. Can you factor in his off season?
Should that be factored in with him not playing? Is
it fair to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
No, I mean, I you know, I think some of
these guys, yeah, I think he is. I mean and
I you know, one thing that was really interesting and
talking to Chiefs people in the summer was like he
is a guy kind of works himself into shape. They
were over the moon with the way he was working
over the summer. He didn't miss a single practice and
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they tried to give him vet days while they were
up in Saint Joe, Missouri at their training camp, one
of the few teams and still goes away and lives
like the dorm life, you know, and like they tried
to give him days off, and they tried to pace him,
and he didn't want it, and you know, so he
really pushed him pushed himself through training camp. I think
Kelsey's at the phase of his career. And we saw
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this last year too, Like, I don't think he looked
the same in September and October or November of last year,
and like he just had a way of finding that's
something he needed for December and January and February, and
like his knowledge of the game, you know, his experience
really came into play when they got into the playoffs
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and he got what he needed to make the big
plays in the end. And I do think that they
feel like they feel like they're better around him this
year too, Like Raschie Rice, you know, in year two
has looked like he's taken a pretty big step. Xavier
Worthy adds something they haven't had the last couple of
years on offense. The hope was that they were going
to get a Hollywood brown back and the whole vision
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for the offense Dan and this has been the vision
for Brett Veach and for Andy Reid going back to
March and April was it's sort of like the you know,
you got the two guys in the outside you can
fly down the field in Hollywood and Xavier Worthy, and
they're opening up space underneath for Kelsey and Rice to
have all the space to operate. And obviously that hasn't
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really come to fruition because Hollywood's been hurt and because
Xavier's a rookie's still learning his way.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
But that could be.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Another thing that like if Hollywood can find his way
back on the field, and there's no sure thing, but
if Hollywood does find his way back onto the field
and Xavier comes.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Of age a little bit.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
You still could see that vision come to life, which
I think would help which I think ultimately would help
Kelsey a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Stated the union for the commanders is what.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
Well, you got to be really happy with el quarterback
played right like. I think that they picked the right
guy out of that crew that went to Top Golf
in April. Yeah, I think Jaden looks so comfortable. I
remember talking to a couple of their coaches, talking to
d H and Cliff and some of the guys back
in the summer the day I was at their camp,
and I said to them, like, the word that comes
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to mind watching him.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Practice this is just practice, was how smooth he.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
Looks, never looked out of place right like, and just
looked like he was doing the right things consistently and
getting the ball where it needed to go. And everything
looks just so fluid with him. And I think you're
seeing that now, and I think this is something we
sort of have to remember with, you know, with Caleb
Jaden was in college for five years. Jaden was a
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multi year starter at two different major programs in two
different major conferences. He's seen a lot and he just
I think as a result of all of that experience,
and we saw us with brock Party, who was another
high volume guy in college. Right, is that like Jaden
Daniels looks like he's prepared to be a professional football
player in every single way. And you know Caleb, Caleb's
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two years younger than Jayden and doesn't have the amount
of spirits that Jayden has.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
And I think that that's sort of shown. You know,
Jayden looks to me like the type.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
Of guy who has already got a lot of stuff
figured out for a rookie. And I'm almost as impressed
with like the things he was doing before the big
throat of Terry McLaurin down the sideline, like knowing when
to pull the dat ball down and scramble, knowing when
to check it down. It just he looks like he's
got incredible command for a rookie. And I think the
other thing that sticks out about the Commanders it's just
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how hard they're playing. Like if you've been watching football
as long as you and I have, you can see it,
like the energy a team plays with right when they're
really bought in and they really know what they're doing,
and when you see it from a first year coaches team.
I think it really means something and we're seeing that
with dan Quinn's commanders right now.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
They still have major holes.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
I mean, and that's the thing that's most remarkable about this, right, Like,
they still are going to have to address the offensive
tackle position. They still need like a war Daddy edge rusher.
They still have a lot to sort through a corner.
Those are three premium positions that they really have some
problems to sort through at right But I mean, they
got the quarterback right, and everybody's playing hard and they've
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been able to manage those weaknesses, which is really hard
to do.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
I think the arrow is pointing way up on the
commanders right now.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
I'm talking to Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback. Would
you rather be a Bengal fan or a Jaguar fan?
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Today?
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Bengal fan, because I know it's going to work out.
I mean, Joe Burrow played fine, you know, Like I
know people are going to make this about Burrow and
the wrist and maybe even his like his frosted tips there.
But I think I think Joe has played better week
to week, right Like, and he's knocked the rust off.
Joe Burrow is going to be Joe Burrow, we saw
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I think a very real version of Jamar Chase last night.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
He looked great too.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
Higgins is going to get more comfort well, so they're
going to score points.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
My concern with the Bengals is on defense and can.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
The defense get up to a level that they don't
need to be top of the league, but can they
be a top ten or fifteen defense, which is what
they've been under Lua n Aroumo the last few years.
And I think a lot of that's going to be
come down to being able to generate a Prett pass
rush and getting Trey Hendrickson back to his level and
figuring out the corner position. I mean, the guy who
was in coverage on that McLaurin touchdown was Dax Hill,
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who's really a safety playing corner. So like that, I
think there are some real concerns. But in the end,
like I think, because of the offense, because of Joe Burrow,
Chase Higgins, I think they're going to be there in
the end. The Jaguars field, to me, like I just
I mean, I don't know, you know, like their core
players are good, not great, And I think that that's
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sometimes in the NFL, where you can get yourself in trouble,
or like the highest paid players on your team or
the highest drafted players on your team are just pretty
good and not great. And I'm talking about like Kirk
and Tyson Campbell and Cam Robinson, like they're good players,
but are those like the core pieces of a champion?
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And those three guys I mentioned are all very highly paid, right,
So it just feels to me like a team that
doesn't have like this real strength to hang his hat on,
and it needs Trevor Lawrence to be a superstar and
he just isn't one right now, you know. So it
feels to me a little bit like a franchise that
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maybe in for another reset, you know. And I think
they've got three very big weeks coming up here. I
believe their next three weeks, they've got two division games, right.
I think they play the Bears, but then they also
played the Colts and the Texans. The Texans are this week,
the Texans coming off of that loss, and then they
go to London and play the Patriots, and that's obviously
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like a big game for ownership going over there. So
if you have a winless team going over there.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
You know, like.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
These billionaires don't like being embarrassed. So I just it
feels like there's a lot on the line for a
lot of people in that organization over the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
So coaches in trouble flirting with trouble, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
Yeah, maybe, And I I like they're just a sneaky
one with Belichick for me, you know, I just like
Tony Kahn has a really strong relationship with Bill Belichick,
Shod's son, Tony, you know, to the point where so
when they hired Doug Moron as you know, the full
time when they removed the interim tag, what was that
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seventeen I think twenty seventeen, right, that was largely on
the advice of Bill Belichick to do it. So Bill's
had the ear of ownership in that place for a
while now, and I just wonder if that's not rattling
around in the heads of ownership there now, especially when
you're building a new stadium, you know, and not a
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new stadium, but you're renovating your stadium and now you know,
you've got like sponsorship to sell, you've got suits to sell,
like all of that stuff, right, you know, do you
need some more credibility? It's just there are some things
that line up there where I wouldn't totally rule out
I wouldn't totally rule out that as a viable possibility
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for Belichick in twenty twenty five. And he does have
a place I think right down the street I guess
right down nine ninety five there in South Florida too,
so that wouldn't hurt either.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Great to talk to you is always Albert. Thanks for
joining us, all right, Thanks DP,