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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
In this Wednesday, Dan and The Dant's Dan Patrick Show
spend some time last hour lobbying trying to campaign for
Tommy John to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
We'll talk to Tom Berducci Hall of Fame voter coming up.
Also talk some baseball as well as we get down
to the final days of the regular season, jockeying for position,
and a few teams still on the outside looking in
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eight seven to seven three DP Show email address dpat
Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. The Padres
clinch the playoff spot in dramatic fashion with a triple
play with Otani in the on deck circle and he
stands at fifty three homers fifty five stolen bases. The
White Sox hold off being the worst team in baseball history,
at least for one night. Astros, they will not go away.
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They clinch the Als. The Orioles clinch to postseason birth
as well. Tonight the Fever at the Sun, Paulie, what
are you gonna do when the Fever get a eliminated
in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh, in a couple of weeks, Yeah, I'll probably, you know,
watch some couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Macvillsall you're calling for the win tonight, you're calling for
the upset. Yes, call for the fever. Okay, they're five
and a half point underdogs. I do have the over
under Caitlyn Clark scoring tonight. Todd, what's the over under
for Caitlyn Clark on what if they lose? Their season
is over, their magical season is over.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm going to say twenty three and a half points.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Seat no connor nineteen and a half. Bloop bloop, bloop,
nineteen and a half for Caitlyn Clark Ice. She might
have to do a little more than that against the
pesky Sun. All right, eight seven to seven three DP
Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handle at dp's show.
A couple of phone calls in here Johnny and Grand
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Rapids as we wait for Tom Verducci from Sports Illustrated
to join us. Hey Johnny, Hello, how are you Dan good?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I always wanted to talk to you. You guys are great. Yeah,
I remember back watching the World Series in nineteen not
the World Series, I'm sorry when the Tigers won the
series in sixty eight and Tommy John threw a couple
of pitches by Dick McCullough's head, and he charged him
out and put him out for the year. I was
wondering if he had anything to do with that surgery.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh, I don't know, but we had Tommy on and
fifty years ago today he had his surgery, and there's
a final push for Tommy to make it to Baseball's
Hall of Fame. More phone calls coming up as we
make way for the great baseball writer reporter Tom Berducci.
He's got the Yankees Orioles tomorrow on MLB Network Showcase,
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part of the network's day long coverage on Sunday. There's
a new feature that he has on show. Hey Otani
on SI dot com, and he knew Bryce Harper feature
coming out tomorrow. Tom thanks for joining us. Let me
start with Tommy John the final push contributions to the game.
If he's not so successful after the surgery, then we
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probably are looking for a different alternative here. So, as
a Baseball Hall of Fame voter, how much can you
factor in contributions to the game to go along with
winning two hundred and eighty eight games. Yeah, I think you.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Have to look at that Dan, I mean, whether it's
a player who's kind of a borderline candidate who goes
on to be a manager. I think you look at that.
I think you look at pioneers in the game, and
you can make a case that Tommy John is a
pioneer of the game, although the medical community would say
doctor Frank Job is the one who's the pioneer. And
it's interesting. Doctor Job was such a humble guy. He
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did not want that surgery which he pioneered named after him.
That's very unusual in the medical field. I mean, you
think about the Jarvick heart and all these kind of
breakthroughs in the medical field, the doctor who pioneers it
normally has his name on the procedure, and instead Frank
Job was such a humble guy he said, no, put
Tommy John's name attached to that. And you're right, the
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fact that Tommy John, if it just comes back and
you know, maybe throws a game or two or a year,
he actually had a better career. It seemed like after
the surgery, I don't think the impact would be as great.
And besides that, Dan, I mean, looking at his record now,
pitching all those years, all those innings, it gets better
as the years go by, Man, I mean, no one's
catching like half the workload of Tommy John. And by
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the way, I'm old enough to have covered Tommy John.
And I once saw him make three errors on the
same play. A pitcher who made three errors on the
same play. I mean, I don't know if that gets
you in the Hall of Fame, but it's notable.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
He did describe it. I asked him about that half
hour ago, and he said, yeah, I bobbled it, threw
it away, got the relay, threw it home, and I
got charged three errors on one play. Yeah, I mean
two hundred and eighty eight wins. I know that we
have compilers, but still you have to be pretty good
to win two hundred and eighty eight games, to stay
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healthy enough to pitch and have over five one hundred
decisions and a very respectable era. And he pitched for
big market teams as well.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Yeah. I like that point, Dan, because you know, Jack
Morris to me was one of those candidates as well.
And I voted for Jack Morris, and people looked at
the era and said, well, it's way too high and
had a Hall of Famer, But to pitch that many
innings and to be the game one starter for a
couple of different teams, and obviously the big moments in
the World Series. But to me it was about he's
I know, wins are not as important as they were, right,
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we understand a lot more about context. But you still
have to pitch enough innings to keep your team in
the game to qualify for the win. And if you
do that, year after year after year, you get two
hundred and eighty eight of those. So we say compiler
like it's an insult. I actually think longevity is a skill.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, you bring up Jack Morris. I remember a former
manager saying he pitched. You know, it didn't matter how
many runs he gave up, he would be there to pitch.
How many innings do you need? You need me to
go seven innings? He didn't get caught up in my
era as over four take me out or I'm getting
blown up here. It was what do you need me
to do? And then I will go out and try
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to do that. And that's why I always thought, if
you're the ace for three different teams, I mean, there's
something to be said for that. And I don't know,
I guess the nostalgic part of me looks at Tommy
John and says, it's late in life. He's done an
incredible thing. He was successful, won twenty games three times
after the surgery. What's the downside of putting Tommy John
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in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean that's the question I ask, why not? Right,
you certainly can make a case for him, but making
a case against him, that's hard to do for someone
who devoted his life to the game. And yeah, I
think he was one of those guys. In today's game.
We talk all the time about third time around the lineup, Right,
these starting pitchers don't even get the chance to pitch
third time around. Your era is going to go up
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if you pitched, in his case, fourth time around two.
But he never wanted to come out of the game.
And Jack Morris was the same way as well. I
mean Jack Morris once literally stopped Sparky Anderson in his tracks.
Sparky was coming out to the mound and before he
got to the foul line, which is a second mountain
visit where you have to come out, Jack Morris stopped
him and basically said, get your butt back in the dugout.
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Whoever you got in a bullpen ain't any better than me.
That's old school.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No one hundred team win teams this year? Is that
a good thing?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yeah, I guess you could say because we have more balance.
But I think teams like the Dodgers did it figured
out that there's really not a great reward for winning
like one hundred and ten games. You're better off not
putting that accelerator to the floor, giving your guys rest,
especially your pitchers, not going all out to win a
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boatload of games because you're winning your division and they're
not there yet. Don't get me wrong, but you win
there your division, you don't get anything extra from winning
one hundred and ten games. So I think there's a
lot of that going on where teams have noticed in
the postseason tournament baseball. Man, it's like American Legion baseball.
The best team isn't going to win. We pretty much
know that going in. The hottest team, the one that
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has breaks go their way to a small staple or
going to win. So I think teams are realized let's
go I want to say easy on the regular season,
but we're not going to try to win one hundred
and ten games because we want to get to October.
With our guys healthy, that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, well, you know the San Antonio Spurs. Greg Popovich
made a career out of this. The regular season didn't
really matter. Let everybody else have bragging rights. We're going
to be ready to go in the postseason. We're talking
to Tomas.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
A right load management. He was ahead of his time.
We hear that all the time now, But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You've got a new feature on Shohyutani out on SI
dot com. If I would have told you in March
which number would surprise you more, fifty three homers or
fifty five steals?
Speaker 6 (08:50):
The steals to me, I mean I thought, with this
guy's power, I actually thought he had a chance to
break the home run record. Maybe not bonds is, but
you know the number by judge to get over sixty
two sixty three, get in that area. I thought that
was possible, just the way he was trending and tracking.
But these stolen bases, No, didn't see that coming at all.
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Didn't think he would run this much as he has.
And I know, Dan people are gonna say, well, you know,
the stolen bases are easier now with the new rules.
Look around the game. Who else the stealing bags at
the rate he is. I mean, it's what ninety three
ninety four percent over fifty stolen bases. It's one of
the greatest years in baseball history stealing bases. So I
did not see him running this much. It's probably the
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result of not pitching. Like I don't see him running
quite as much next year when he's back on the mound.
But this guy, Dan, he he's actually like one hundred
and fifty guys in baseball pure speed who are faster
than show. Hey, he's not a complete burner on the base.
He's fast, don't get me wrong, but he's stealing bases
because he's smart. It gets great jumps.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I brought this up earlier this week when we were
looking for a camp for Otani with that performance when
he had three home runs and joined the fifty to
fifty club. And the only other game that I thought of,
let me take Don Larson out because it was a
perfect game. So nothing can be better than a perfect game.
And that's Ted Williams at the end of his four
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h six season, when he chose to you know, to
play in both games of the doubleheader. He could have
rounded up to you know, four hundred to three to
ninety nine point five, but he said, no, I'm going
to play. Even after he had gotten over four hundred,
he said, I'm going to play the second game of
the dough hitter. I find that, you know, comparable to
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Shohei Otani. What about you?
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Yeah, that was one of the greatest days ever and
the Red Sox were out of it. The difference here
is show he's playing on the team that actually clinched
the playoffs spot in that game when he had the
six hits, ten RBIs three home runs, So it's it's
probably statistically the most prolific offensive game in the history
of baseball, given the stolen bases, the home runs, the hits,
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the all those things which like you know, playing the
Bingo card, I mean bingo twenty times over. So I
think it is the greatest prolific game offensively in baseball history,
legendary as far as Ted goes, it probably doesn't top
that one. That probably is like as far as legends go,
as big as it gets, are.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
The White Sox fascinatingly embarrassing.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Or just to know that's the problem. I don't know
that people are gonna be writing books and telling tales
about the twenty four White Sox the way they do
the sixty two Mets. I don't know if there's anything
level about them. They were just a bad team out
of the gate and got worse and I'm not sure
what their future is, but they're a long way from
really competing. So yeah, I just think that we kind
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of just dismissed them as a really bad team. But
I don't think we were fascinated by them. You know,
this race beat down the stretch with the sixty two Mets,
I don't think it's captivated anybody.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's hard to be that bad, it is. I mean,
there's been a lot of bad teams, but they're gonna
end up with more losses than anybody in the history
of the sport. And three years ago it looked like
the future was extremely bright.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean it happened pitching. They had Verdon, they
had Giolito, you know, a guy like Luis Robert being
compared to Mike Trout.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I mean, I don't know how it all fell apart
so quickly, but the player development system just kind of stopped.
There was nothing coming there. It's a good question, Dad,
I agree with you, it's hard to be this bad.
The Royals last year lost one hundred and six games,
and look where they are this year. Right, they may
get the postseason, but I just didn't see I don't
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think anybody saw this level of ineptitude coming, and guys
like Ben and Tender were supposed to be good players,
just fell off a click. If everything went wrong for
this team.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Give me your World Series matchup if you were picking today, Wow,
I like.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
San Diego a lot, Dan, and my preseason pick was
Phillies over the Orioles in the World Series. So I
shouldn't jump off of that. But if you're asking me
which team right now looks the most dangerous to me
is the San Diego Padres in the American League, I
would go with Houston Astros right now for the same reason.
I mean, the Astros know how to run the marathon,
they know how to get through the season, and they
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started twelve and twenty four and here they are. They're
probably gonna wind up back in the ALCS like they
own the joint. And I do think that their pitching
is that's what you look at right when you get
the postseason, is better than New York's better than the Yankees.
So I think, to me right now, i would say,
if I had to pick right now, I'd say San
diego over Houston.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Houston doesn't go away. No, they don't. They know what
they're doing. It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Yeah, all those teams, all the people who wrote them
off at twelve and twenty four. You know, you just
it's like you've seen this with great players. Dan, you
always always give the greatest the benefit of the doubt.
And to me, that's show Hey.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
By the way.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
You know, I know people are saying, he's never played
in the postseason before, what's he gonna do? Well, let's,
you know, wait until we say, what more do you
need to see? This guy's playing on a winning team
for the first time in his career and he goes
out and has the best September of his life. I mean,
I'm about you, Dan, but I'm looking at this guy
and I think we have to start thinking about show
Hey as the greatest living player. I mean, I know
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it's a mouthful, but I'm not talking about career but
his talent. You've got Griffy, You've got Ricky, you got Bonds,
you got Clemmens. You know now that Willie Mays his past.
You know that Mantle is out there greatest living player
and to me it really is. Show Hey, Tony, this
is a guy who can compete year after year, except
for this year he's hurt for both the Cy Young
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Award and the home run title. Think about that, the
same guy compete for Cy Young and the home run title.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Great to catch up with you as always, Tom. We'll
talk during the postseason. Thank you, love it, Dan. Thanks
Tom Berducci, MLB Network, Fox Sports analyst and senior writer
for Sports illustratedt SI dot com. A new feature on show,
Hey o Tani and a Bryce Harper feature coming out tomorrow.
Yeah he's right. I mean that is a mouthful to say.
That's the best living player in baseball Right now. With
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Willie Mays passing away, we'll get to more phone calls
coming up. We have a new twist for a player
with nil have that for you after this Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (15:51):
Who will lead the NFL in passing yards according to DraftKings, Marvin,
I'll start with you, who is the favorite? Josh, Paulie,
Joe Burrow, Todd, Aaron Rodgers, Seaton, Matthew Stafford, Dak Prescott,
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followed by c. J. Stround, then Rock Perty, then Matthew Stafford,
Jared Goff. How about who will lead the NFL in
receiving yards according to Draft Kings. I'm going to take out, Well,
Justin Jefferson is tied with this player. Okay, That's why
I'm taking it out. We'll make it a little tougher
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for you.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Set.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I'll start with you Justin Jefferson and this player tied
for who will lead the NFL in receiving yards? Paulie.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
He started hot, Nico Collins.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Okay, good call, followed by Ceede, Lamb, Rashid Rice, and
Jamar Chase. Okay, let's see. I got a couple of
phone calls to get We got interesting nil situation in
Las Vegas. We'll get to that coming up. Robert in Sacramento, Hey, Robert,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Guys, love the show, just absolutely love it. Dan, I
got a question for you. I watch your opinion. You
put it on postseason awards before if we don't get
unanimous Otani judge this year, should the voter that does
that get sanctioned or something for just being an aple?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I mean mostly these people do it.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
To stand up for whatever cause they want. But is
it just is it time to just go You know what, guys,
I'm sorry, we're gonna rip your vote from here because
you're just being dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Well, we've seen people who want to be contrarians. I
just want you to explain it because there have been
times when I voted on postseason awards in the NBA
where I had no poin. I had to defend myself
not voting for call Carl Malone and Charles Barkley the
years that they won MVP, and I was called out
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by newspapers in those cities and I said, look, the
most Valuable player is Michael Jordan until further notice. I
don't care what the stats are, your team record, It's
going to come down to winning championships, and Michael Jordan
wins championships. And you may not like my logic, but
that's my logic and I stand by it. And I
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voted for Jordan every year, every year that you know
they won championships I voted for him for MVP. Now
it's not fair to Charles, not fair to Karl Malone
who had wonderful careers, but they did win MVPs. But
I still said that Jordan to me, was the MVP.
That was my vote. Let's see Doug in North Carolina. Hi, Doug,
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what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Well, Dan, when you were talking to Tommy John, I
went on Google because this is amazing to me. When
I was growing up in the late seventies early eighties,
the Dodgers were the dominant team in the in the
maybe even at that period, more than your Reds. And
when you look at it, they went to the World
Series four times in eight years. Not one Dodger from
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those teams is in the Hall of Fame. I can't
think of a more dominant team in any sport without
a Hall of Famer. I was wondering, if you can,
Tom's not in, Steve Garvey, Ron, say, Reggie Smith, none
of these guys got in. Can you think of a
more dominant team with no Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, that's a great point. I think Steve Garvey sounds
like a Hall of Famer, feels like a Hall of Famer.
I know, we get caught up in numbers. But and
I always go back to the Big Red Machine. If
you ask the players on the Big Red Machine, who
was the guy you wanted up at the plate game
on the line, they would say Tony Perez And that
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told me everything because he got lost with bench and
rose in Morgan. You know, they had so many great players,
but Tony Perez was the clutch, and that's why I
was happy he went into the hall. Sometimes you just
you see a bigger picture, you don't understand the smaller picture.
With some of these teams, that guy was more important
than those guys, even though they might have had, you know,
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the glamorous stats. There more phone calls, I'll get to
those coming up. Well, this is something interesting PAULI brought
up earlier this morning before the show started. He said,
you know, we have an nil situation with UNLV. Now
I immediately thought basketball, but UNLV basketball is not relevant,
and it turns out it's football. It's the starting quarterback,
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Matthew Sluca. He's leaving the school and he's citing certain
representations not being upheld by the program. He said he
committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made
to me which were not upheld after I enrolled and
he posted this on X Despite discussions, it became clear
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these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future. I
wish my teammates the best to bluck this season and
hope for continued success of the program. I think UNLV
is ranked in the top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Paulie, Yeah, UNLV is off to a three and oh start.
He's a pretty good quarterback. He's more of like a
run first, past second quarterback. He played four years at
holy Cross. We actually talked about him in the show
because he raised up holy Cross football. He transfers to UNLV,
has an NIL deal there. He has to leave before
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game four to keep that red shirt eligibility year for
next year. So he's clearly going to go in the
portal and transfer again. There's some mixed reports out there
whether he was not paid what he was promised in
his NIL deal. Some reporters at college reporters are saying
he went in to renegotiate mid season, which we again,
to be fair to this young man, we don't know that.
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There's mixed reports whether he was not paid fairly or
all everything was not paid him or after going three
and oh he realized his value and went in for
a renegotiation session.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So, but this is saying that certain representations were not
made to me, not upheld after I enrolled. That doesn't
sound like a renegotiation, correct. But I wonder what is
in writing? Do we have contracts with NIL that says
this is what you're getting, this is what you're getting
this year? I guess if you have incentives in there
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for NIL? I mean, I don't know. Do they have
a standardized contract for NIL?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
If they don't, why don't they?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
They're hard to find any public records of NIL. The
deals are all approved by the NCAA, but you can't
see them. One thing is, whatever your NIL deal is
some of the websites are reporting, doesn't prevent you from
entering the portal at some point. So it's almost like
you don't necessarily have to uphold your end of the
bargain on NIL the player.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, but did the school have to? Why doesn't the
NCAA have a standardized NIL contract for players? Now the
language is different, but have something that's standardized that the
Can the school go and get money from him if
he's leaving? If they paid him money. How much money
did they pay? Like it's still the wild wild West here,
yeh see.
Speaker 10 (23:10):
But the very like beginning is you're not supposed to
recruit based on nil.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Correct?
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Isn't that the way that this is all supposed to work.
You're not supposed to use nil as recruiting. So I
committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made
to me which were not upheld after I enrolled.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But he doesn't talk about mine.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
He's vague, Well, he is, what are those representations that
what I thought the locker room was going to be better? No,
I thought I got a better parking en playing time.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's also unclear whether he had He clearly would have
some type of nil deal in writing, because you have
to with your athletic department that goes to the NCAA.
That said, I wonder if he had a agreement that
if I overachieved this year, I will get a boost
a raise, like a gentleman's agreement. They are three and zero.
He's playing well, But I would ask him. I would say, wait,
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tell me what was promised to you? Since you are
transferring here, you know you're vague, let me find out
exactly what happened here, so I don't know. See if
we can get Matt Sluka on and answer these questions.
Were you promised things? Was it in writing?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
They're not supposed to recruit you with the promise of
benefits at least that's what we're told.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
Yes, despite discussions, it became clear these commitments would not
be fulfilled in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What does that mean? What are the commitments? That's what
I want to know. What are the commitments? Matt. I
know it's a band or it's a movie called The Commitments,
But what are the commitments here? Where did they promise you?
And when did they promise you it?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yes, yes, Tod Unless he doesn't care about reputation, it's
a really bad look. Almost has to be less vague
because a lot of us will jump to conclusions, what
a jerk. You're on this team? How could you let
down your fans and your teammates like this? And you're
just leaving? Unless we know a little more than he
shared so far, he doesn't look good with this whole
situation at all.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, everybody's out for themselves. This is his last paycheck,
this last payday, because he's what fifth year senior?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, Paul, Yeah, you're exactly right. This is not a
pro prospect. He will get paid one last nil deal.
He can get a sixth year of eligibility by not
playing in Game four against Presno State. He gets the
red shirt year, which used to be medical.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Now it's just whatever you want to use it for. Yeah,
well it used to be the hardship draft in the NBA,
and then they're like this sounds silly. Sorry, we're not
going to use that silly term.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
Yes, Marvin, does this hurt him going forward when he's
trying to go to another school?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well, I'd like to know what the promises are when
he goes to that next school. Is it going to
be in writing? I mean, I'd love to have mon
to find out. Hey, what were the promises here? I mean,
let's be transparent. Yes, Bully.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
By the way, we can't overlook the fact that this
kid transferred from Holy Cross to UNLV. You talk of
a cultural shift. You're playing at an FCS school in
the middle of nowhere, Holy Cross and then you switch
to ULB. That must be a wild change of lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Tom in Michigan, Hi, Tom, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (26:27):
How are you doing? Guys? I love this conversation. I
got a little bit of input. I watched this kid play.
He played against my son for three years at holy Cross.
He's a really good quarterback, can run, can throw, He's
elusive something from the Patriot League. My guess is he
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was just looking for a shot to get into the
portal and play at a higher level. Actually, my son
did the same thing. However, I don't know if they
really just invited him to play, and really there was
no nil. But now that he's tearing it up, you
know now and his head coach from holy Cross went
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to James Madison and his coach in there, So you
got to wonder if there's something underlying here that if
he plays one more game he loses his red shirt.
So he's got to get out now if he wants
to play somewhere else and obviously get some more money,
or maybe go back. I'm just throwing it out there
to go back and play for his old coach. The
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other thing is I had heard to the rumor man
my son knows some people that are scouts. This kid
could be. He's good enough to be an Edelman now.
He's a quarterback now, but just like Edelman, was a
quarterback at Kent State. This kid, if he's got hands,
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this kid could play in the NFL. I'm just telling
your aw.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean, I know he doesn't have great passing numbers.
I think he's what twenty four for forty eight. It's
hard to complete less than you know, fifty percent in college,
but I think one one interception he runs the ball.
He's an athlete there. But okay, what were you promised?
You're leaving the Holy Cross to go into UNLV. Are
there certain promises that were in there? Was it in writing?
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Who promised you this? And you're going to go someplace else?
Is it going to be the same thing you're going
to get it? In writing? What do you promise? I'd
like to know what he was promised, because he said
things that were promised me when I was when I
got there, which means this was promised to you before
you got there. You didn't just get there. And all
of a sudden they said, all right, now let's talk
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about NIL. It's not the way it works. I mean
it's presented that way. Oh you can't use NIL as
an enticement to have somebody come to your school, right,
probably not going to believe that. Let me see Roco
and Florida. Hey Roco, thanks for holding.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Hey Dan, Dan Atts, thanks for having me again. Rocco
Anthony Cirelli. I'm obligated by the Italian community to say
my full name. I don't know what will happen if
I don't. But anyway, years to talk about squeaking in
teams when they get on a run get hot. I
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was thinking of two thousand and eight President say Bulldogs
Bulgiswold series, they say, equivalent to the thirteen season in
a basketball tournament, winning the whole thing. So I thought
that was a we years we're talking about runs. And
then also the twenty eleven Cardinals, which came down to
strike twice versus the juggernaut Texas Rangers that year with
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Hamilton well them and then yeah, so those are the
two that came to my mind, and I thought it
all came down to chemistry. And I know I got
limited time to tie into one more thing you get
tacked about before already the bird bath for Little Jackson holiday. See,
that's seam chemistry. So the oils, you know, you never
know chemistry. You can have all the best players in
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the world. But my whole point of this call is
the chemistry is what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well we know that quite well, Rocco. Look at us chemistry,
but no trophies, but we have chemistry. You know what
helps chemistry? When you win, I think fighting, fighting for
the same thing. You get these teams that kind of
you start to believe and you know, dramatic wins, and
you have to continue to win to make it to
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the playoffs. It's not like you dial it down or
turn it off. You've already got it. Where teams try
to dial it up turn it on when they get
into the postseason. That's why you'll see a team win
one hundred and ten games and then they get into
the postseason, they bow out because they haven't had a
meaningful game. Whereas these other teams, I mean Arizona last
year and eighty four wins, you go to the World Series.
(30:53):
Well that's because every game mattered to you as opposed
to And you see this in the Super Bowl era
that you get these teams that just get in. But
they get in and they're already in playoff mode. Well
take a break, last call for phone calls. What we
learn once in store tomorrow this day in sports history.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
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Speaker 2 (31:23):
Sorry to hear, sad to hear Brett Farb announcing he
has Parkinson's. He was in front of Congress, and I
know that it feels like he's been sports canceled with
some of the things that have gone on, you know,
the money for his alma mater, and did he take
it away from the state of Mississippi and this is
still pending in the poorest state in the Union. But
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finding out that and he said that he's had thousands
of concussions. Now, I think you probably had his bell
rung quite a few times. A thousand concussions is a lot,
almost statistically impossible to have that many. But he did play,
and he never missed a game, played hard, played hurt
and announced that he is battling Parkinson's right now. All right,
(32:11):
I just saw this. This is from Pete Thamil and
has to do with this UNLV quarterback Matthew Sluca. So
he's decided that he didn't get what he was supposed
to get at UNLV that they were promising him things.
His representation, his NIL representation Equity Sports told ESPN that
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he was verbally promised a minimum of one hundred thousand
dollars from a UNLV assistant coach for transferring there. None
of the money was paid, and he enrolled there, and
there was no effort by UNLV's collective to formalize a
contract at that amount, and months after he enrolled, they
made multiple efforts with his staff in school to address
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the issue. I guess he got a three thousand dollars
a relocation stipend for the mood move and he was
getting three thousand dollars per month for the next four months.
So they're shy about eighty eight thousand dollars on what
UNLB had promised him. So that's the other side of this. See,
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this is where I mean it's dirty. Let's not kid anybody, Hey,
do you want to transfer here? What are you going
to pay me? We're going to pay you one hundred
thousand dollars. This is a kid who came from a
Holy Cross where he probably wasn't making anything there, and
now you go to UNLV, you're the quarterback team's undefeated
and he's wanting to get his money. So whether he
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went in to renegotiate or he's trying to negotiate what
you promised him, even though you're not supposed to promise
athletes money with the collective like it's all a sesspool.
How about just contracts here?
Speaker 9 (33:51):
All right?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Standardized contract. University must pay you this, so you have
to go and transfer in good faith. He has to
go to UNLV and believe that they're going to pay
him what they promised him. And I'm sure nothing's in writing.
It's all Hey, here's an assistant coach saying, you'll give
me one hundred thousand dollars if I go to UNLV.
(34:14):
Well you get there, all right, Now what are you
going to do? You're going to transfer? You're winning, you're undefeated,
You're going to transfer.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I don't know if that's the case, but if you're
promising one hundred thousand dollars, you go there, you're starting,
your team's undefeated. Why am I not getting my money?
What is the reason behind that? And if it starts,
you know now it's already out. If you're thinking about
going to UNLV, you might think again, are they going
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to pay me when I get there, and you're not
supposed to use this as an enticement to recruit, which
is laughable. But until they make it official above board,
everything's transparent. Here's the contract. You're gonna pay taxes on there.
Like all of these things, you're gonna have these loopholes
here where athletes get taken advantage of. Yes, Marvin, can you.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
See a scenario where more recruitse or more transfers start
to say, Hey, I want the money up front before
I even step foot on campus.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I don't think you can do that. It's called very
it's called very illegal.
Speaker 11 (35:22):
So college football is saying that's illegal.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean back in the good old days,
they would give you cars and stuff up front, or
a house for your mom. Yeah, a trans am.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I had a friend whose parents they got jobs at
a at a factory and got him a house.
Speaker 11 (35:43):
So it's like the movie Blue Chips. Have you never
seen Blue Chips?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No?
Speaker 11 (35:47):
I have?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Ah, Damn Blue Chips is so good. I lived it, guys,
I lived it. Nick Nolty was your coach cool? You know,
I never ever heard from my coach, and I will
say this, I give him credit. He never took credit
for my success, and I'm talking about being a sportscaster,
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whereas I worked with people who are producers of mine
who still take credit for my success.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
But he was.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
He was there in the beginning and easily could have said, yeah,
you know, I had Golden Boy. I'm glad that he
amounted to something, because he wasn't going to amount to
anything on my basketball team. By golly, Golden Boy. He
pushed you into the industry. Really he did.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
He did.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It's like coach, come on. He didn't even turn around
when I was saying goodbye. Hey, I think I'm gonna
I'm gonna transfer. I think that's good thing. Emotion. He
was overcome with emotion, Yes he was. He didn't want
he didn't want me to see the tears coming down
his face. I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, okay, you know, I was hoping there'd be a
little pushback, like can't afford to lose you, Golden Boy,
and he certainly could.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
See, I once quit a job and I went in
in just a like ball of fury and was like, hey,
I'm just giving you a heads up. I'm putting in
my two week notice and he said, why don't you
just leave now? And I was like, great, even better,
he said, why don't you just leave now. We'll pay
you for the two weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Perfect.
Speaker 10 (37:21):
Yeah, great, yeah, AnyWho, oh all right, well, yeah, don't
be too busted up about it.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I remember trying to give my two week notice at
the mother Ship and they're like, you can go now.
And I'm like, oh, okay, because they didn't want me
back on the radio when I was leaving because they
were worried I was going to say something, I guess,
and then they're like, uh, yeah, you don't have to
fulfill your commitment there. Alrighty, let's see this day in
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sports history Paul.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Nineteen sixty five, Willie Mays, at age thirty four, became
the oldest man hit fifty home runs in a single season,
and ten earlier he was the youngest man hit fifty.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Home runs in the season. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Nineteen sixty five. Satchel Page at the Kansas City Athletics,
age fifty nine, pitch three shutout innings against the Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
It was one of my favorites. Nineteen ninety three Charles
Barkley and Nirvana were guests on SNL. If you want
to look at it YouTube, there's a great clip of
Nirvana and Barkley shooting the promos. They're like taping the
t's and it's clear that they kind of don't know
who Barkley is, and Barkley clearly doesn't know much about them.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's funny, but that wasn't when he beat up Barney
on Saturday Night Long.
Speaker 11 (38:35):
Maybe could be checking.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Sure, see if Pearl Jam had been on with Barkley,
Pearl Jam would have known about Barkley because they they
used to have figurines. When Pearl Jam would play concerts,
they'd have basketball figurines up on stage. There, here's one
for you. These two players are the only players to
hit home runs is both teenagers and in their forties.
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This was nineteen eighty four when this happened. Ty Cobb
and Rusty Stop only players to hit home runs as
a teenager and then a player in their forties. Gary
Sheffield and Alex Rodriguez have since joined that club. Also,
it was on this day that Vince Carter jumps over
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Frederick Weiss and Dunks and Team USA's win over France.
Guess Marvin.
Speaker 11 (39:28):
The Raptors also retire Vince Carter's number.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
I know I saw that.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
That's great love, Vince. That's a good ride time.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
By the way, Stop and Cobb if I can bar them,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
God, stop Cobb. How about we go around the room
on what we learned on the program?
Speaker 9 (39:45):
Todd?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What did you learn today?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
You were buying a hoodie at a golf shop in
Maine and the woman working I thought you were Rick Riley.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
She still wanted a picture with.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
You though, yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
She's like, I know who you are and I said
no you don't. She goes you are Rick Riley. I
said no, I'm not, Yes you are, Seaton. What did
you learn today? Tommy John's got some stories. Yeah he
does carry grants yelling to him. He's got the mob
showing up at Yankee Games. Don Rick, Thank you, Tod.
Speaker 11 (40:13):
Marvin pro Jam was originally named Mookie blaylock.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yep big fan of mookies. Uh Paulie.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
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and comes back with less money than he expected.
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