The Best of The Week on The Dan Patrick Show

Dan Patrick talks with New York Post Jets Beat Reporter Brian Costello after the news of the Jets acquiring Davante Adams. Oregon HC Dan Lanning joins Dan and refuses to admit whether or not Oregon purposely took a 12-man penalty in a final play in their win over Ohio State. 105.3 The Fan Host RJ Choppy joins Dan to describe his fiery interview with Jerry Jones this week. Plus, ESPN's Karl Ravech reacts to the ALCS.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
NFL Network broke the news that the Raiders are trading
All Pro wide receiver Davonte Adams to the Jets for
a twenty twenty five conditional third round pick that can
become a second round pick based on performance. The Athletic
is reporting that DeVante Adams is already in the Jets building. Now.
They've also given pass rusher Hassan Reddick a short window

(00:28):
to seek a trade. There's a lot of drama around
a team that's two to four to bring in. Brian Costello,
the Jets beat reporter for the New York Post, Well,
here we are again, more drama. When do you think
they decided to make this move for Devonte Adams.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, it's been a long time coming, Dan, you know,
I mean they were talking.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
They were trying to get him last year, and the
Raiders didn't want to trade him last year. Then they
fired their GM and coach at the trading deadlines, and
there was rumors this offseason. You know, Rogers at the
gosworn mid Lake Tahoe said he can't wait to play
with DeVante again.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
That sparked it.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
So it's been it coming for a while, and you
know a few weeks ago when Adams requested the trade.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
The Jets have been in this for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
But I do think, you know, last night's game probably
up the urgency a little bit to get this done
and push it across the finish line.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
But if it's true that he's already in the building,
he probably had an idea that this was happening during
the game last night.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, I would think so. I'm curious about when he
when he came intow Jersey. But you know, it sounded
like the Jets were the only team that was realistic
for a trade. They were, they were the leaders all along,
so I think they must have known they were close,
and then they got it done fine, you know, finalized
this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
What if the Jets had won last night, I.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Still I think it still gets done. You know, I
think they they felt like all along they had to
do this. You know, the offense has been struggling for weeks.
Clearly the quarterback wanted this, and he usually gets what
he wants, so you know, like I said, this has
been a long time coming. So I do think, you know,
when when they lost the game last night and the
way they lost, and Mike Williams, you know, Rogers called

(02:05):
him out after the game for not running the round.
I walked out of the building going, I bet DeVonta
Adams is here tomorrow. It just felt that way, But
in reality, I do think this has been in the
works for a long time. And you know, these trades
get done on Mondays and Tuesdays in the league, and
it's it's you know, the Jets were playing yesterday, so
it wasn't gonna get done yesterday. So I do think

(02:26):
it was all signs were pointing to it happening today anyway.
But you know, I do think maybe they pushed it
across the finish line because the last night.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
What are your expectations now with this team?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I honestly don't think this changes a lot. Damn. I mean,
I know he's a good receiver, but he's thirty one
years old. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think he makes the offense slightly better, but I'm
not sure he helped stop the run. You know, they
this is now two times this season there's been a
running back who I know, idea who he was, came
out and ran all over the Jets. You know, the
rookie from Buffalo last night, and then Jordan Mason in
Week one for San Francisco ran all over them. So
I think that's a problem. I think the offensive line

(03:07):
is still shaky. You know, Rogers got hit a lot
again last night. You know, DeVante helps that, and I
really think what they could use Dan is someone who
could stretch the field, and that's not Adams at this point.
He's more of a precise route runner. Where he does
help is these fourth quarter situations. We've now seen three
straight weeks the Jets could have won the game in
the fourth quarter and didn't. Two straight weeks where there
was a pass to Mike Williams at the end of

(03:28):
the game where he didn't look like he knew the
ball was coming to him or they were on the
same page and it got intercepted. Those balls are now
going to go to Devonte Adams. So I'm curious how
this invict Garret Wilson too, Dan, that's gonna be something.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh, yes, I agree. I immediately thought of Garrett Wilson,
just because it always seems like him and Rodgers aren't
exactly on the same page. But Aaron knows he has
to rely on him. Did you hear Belichick on the
Manning Cast talking about Woody Johnson last night.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I did I think that puts Any bought some Bellich
check ever coaching the Jets to rent, So I was
happy for that.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I wouldn't have to change that story in January. But yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Clearly, Like, look, when Belichick talks about two thousand and
I resigned as HI the NYJ you know, he talks
about the ownership situation that was when Woody was taking
over wood He was not yet the owner, but he
was in the process of becoming the owner. And Belichick
always refers to the ownership situation is the reason he left.
So he's been clear of his thoughts about Widiy Johnson
for a long time.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think make the call right now, playoffs or no playoffs.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Playoffs.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think this team is going to go ten and
seven day and I thought that from the beginning of
the year.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I still think it.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know, they've had a bad stretch here, but if
you look down the schedule, if you guys call up
the schedule later for the Jets, there are winnable games
on the schedule. They've had a couple couple tough ones
coming up in the next like two out of the
next three Texans Steelers sandwiched around the Patriots, but there
are games where that they can win in November and December,
and I think they'll still go ten and seven.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Great to talk to you again, Brian, Thank you you.
Next week, Dan, Yeah, Max Crosby comes to the Jets there.
Brian Costello, Jets beat reporter for the New York Post.
The next game will be Sunday night against the Steelers,
and prior to the trade, the Jets were favored by
one and a half. I don't know if that's going

(05:18):
to go up or not. The over under went up
a point when they got DeVante Adams. Wow Blake in
New Orleans. Hi, Blake, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (05:29):
Good morning, Dan.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
I was telling him on the hold that this morning,
you guys were perplexed by that line, and looking back
now knowing what we know now that it looks like
maybe the boys in the Desert knew something that we
didn't know this morning.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah. I think that's we're getting that sense now that
maybe this was agreed to in principle, and of course
the Raiders being in Las Vegas, maybe somebody got a
heads up on something here. But the Steelers are underdogs
at home on Sunday night? All right, time to play
the man? Did Blank need a game like that? It's

(06:04):
week two of Man Did Blank need a game like that? PAULI?

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Yeah, Dan. It could be college football, it could be
pro football, it could be any sport you like. It
could be man or woman. It could be a coach,
it could be referee, coach, but someone who really needed
to have a great day.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'll go first.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
Man, did Brian Kelly, the head coach of the LSU
Tigers need a game like that? National TV?

Speaker 8 (06:30):
Old?

Speaker 7 (06:31):
Miss, You're on the cusp of being a playoff team
now the LSU Tigers are five and one and kind
of control their own destiny. Man, did Brian Kelly need
a game like that?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay? Todd?

Speaker 9 (06:42):
I went with the Bengals as a whole needed a
game like that?

Speaker 7 (06:45):
Because it's man?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Did man?

Speaker 9 (06:49):
Did the Bengals need to have a game like that?
Because they could have been one in five and now
they're two and four, still have a lot of work
to do. But that would have been a disaster on
national TV if they would have lost at.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
The game Like the Jeopardy you have to analyze, Yeah,
I have a question, Cincinnati bik Seaton Man, did Blank
need a game like that? Man?

Speaker 10 (07:09):
Did Spencer Rattler need a game like that? Look at
that fella coming out of a no where two hundred
and forty three yards touchdown? He had two interceptions, but
I thought he played pretty well.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Okay, well structured?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 11 (07:21):
Marvin man Comma, did James Franklin need a win like that?
We need a game like that? Okay, yep, yep, big
big conference win. When you think of the Big Ten,
you think of USC Penn State. They needed a big
win on the road.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Man. Did Sean McDermott need a game like that last night?

Speaker 12 (07:42):
That's it?

Speaker 7 (07:42):
I think that's the whole game.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, because they had lost two in a row, and
then if they lost three in a row and they
lost the Jets and then all of a sudden, then
people would be saying, is he on the hot seat?
So he needed a game like that and he got
it with Josh Allen. Yes, Martin, is he off the
hot seat? I don't know. I have no idea. It's
getting colder in Buffalo, so I don't know. Yeah, yes, Bony,

(08:04):
we could also play someday. The converse of this, man, blank,
sure didn't need a night.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Like that, day like that. We could play that down
the road. I don't want to put too much on you.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, that's such such that'd be harder to So that.

Speaker 10 (08:15):
Game is going to be somebody had a bad day,
and we're gonna say, man, he sure didn't need that day.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
And it could be who he didn't need a game
like that?

Speaker 12 (08:22):
You gotta lead with Ryan Day. He didn't need a
day like that.

Speaker 11 (08:28):
Okay, rights itself, Okay, yep, yeah, better day, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
But I don't know if anybody needs a day like that.
Like if you say, man, he didn't need a day
like that.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
But like it's it was bad and it's worse. Like
here's another example. The NFL refs didn't need a night
like that because people are already banging on the refs
and then the National TV disaster.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's like when you know, a quarterback throws an interception, Man,
he'd like to have that one back, Like really, he
would like to have that back.

Speaker 10 (08:58):
Crazy gonna be playing sark has them ball, Yeah, sarcasaur
ball whatever, yeah, whatever that was that he said, scarcamer
ball start, Yeah, Sarcasta ball.

Speaker 12 (09:14):
Is that what it is sarcastaball Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
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Speaker 2 (09:27):
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question as well as we bring in the head coach
of the Oregon Ducks, Dan Lanning. Congratulations coach, how did
you celebrate after the win against Ohio State?

Speaker 13 (09:43):
We started recruiting.

Speaker 14 (09:44):
We had a bunch of kids on campus, so we
spent a ton of time with the people that came
to see us, and those are a lot of miles
around the building, but it was time to try to
figure out a way to help get our team better.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Kind Of tricky though, when you bring in recruits and
you have a big game like that, it could go
bad and they're right there to watch, you know, right
in front of the home crowd.

Speaker 14 (10:04):
Yeah. I mean, ultimately, part of what makes odds and
so amazing is our fans, the game day experience, and
when you're playing two great teams and you know, things
can go different directions. It is about creating that environment
and recognizing they can be the difference, or they can
be a part of what you're building too. So I
think players recognize that, and we try to take advantage

(10:25):
every moment like.

Speaker 13 (10:26):
That we can.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, there are places that may have eighty ninety one
hundred thousand, but I would put sixty thousand in Eugene
up against one hundred thousand or ninety thousand any place else.
All right, let me get the twelve men on the
field thing out of the way first, because we brought
it up on Monday that we thought you did it intentionally.
I didn't hear anything with that because it made sense.

(10:49):
But are there two different twelve men on the field
penalties though? That you can.

Speaker 13 (10:55):
Incur when you say they're too different? Tell me what
you mean.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, let's say somebody's running off the field, or there's
a play that's called in somebody in twelve guys are
on the field. Is there different penalties for those twelve
men on the field if you're aware of that?

Speaker 13 (11:13):
Not as I understand it, though.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, So what do you know about it? Like, what
what was your interpretation of it? And was it on purpose?

Speaker 14 (11:23):
I spent I probably spent too much time on this
on Monday and I know what answers we're looking for here.
But I got my dancing ssoes on this morning dance.
I'm not going to get into great depth on.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Wait wait, wait, why why I thought it? I thought
it was brilliant coaching.

Speaker 14 (11:37):
Well, I mean, I think you I've paid attention to
a lot of situations like that. I always think about
the forty nine ers Raven Super Bowl, right, and the
holding penalty at the end of the game to run
the clock out. I think as defensive coaches, you're always
trying to find ways to take advantage of the rules
that exist. And we have an unbelievable staff. We spend
a lot of time on a lot of different situations,

(12:00):
and when when things are in place, you want to
try to be able to.

Speaker 13 (12:03):
Take advans of them.

Speaker 14 (12:04):
But I've asked my staff, I've asked our players. Hey,
Ohio State game, that was awesome.

Speaker 13 (12:09):
We're on a short week. We got Purdue this week.
Let's move on to Purdue. So I'm gonna challenge myself
to do the same thing. But I expected you to
ask about it. For sure.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
We're going to make twelfth man T shirts? Is that okay?

Speaker 13 (12:22):
You're welcome to do whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You're welcome to do. Every take a victory lap. I
thought it was Bellacheckian type thing, or you know John
Harball with the Ravens. That's I mean sab and esque.
You did. You did something that was pretty smart in
that situation, So okay, we'll move on from it. You

(12:44):
don't want to take credit, you don't want to take blame,
you don't want to take anything. So except man, the.

Speaker 13 (12:51):
Head coach gets far too much credit when things go right.

Speaker 14 (12:53):
I didn't play a single snap on Saturday, not one snap.

Speaker 13 (12:57):
I wasn't in there at all. So our players are
staff unbelievable.

Speaker 14 (13:02):
They do a you know, a tremendous job in this place,
makes it really special for us.

Speaker 13 (13:06):
Our fans were a big part of that game.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Okay, I know, I know, I know. Okay, one more thing.
Was there a member of your staff who got a
pat on the back for the twelfth man on the field?

Speaker 14 (13:16):
Can we just we were giving out tons of pats
on the back. There were a lot of pats on
the back, yelling and sharing and some other things my
mom probably doesn't want to hear.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
You know, the travel back and forth across country. I
mean it's going to be there, you know, in a
big ten and we've seen teams that go from east
to West who normally don't too well. How do you coach?
How do you factor that into your coaching?

Speaker 13 (13:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (13:43):
I think for us it is it's a learning experience
and you have to spend as much time probably quality
controlling that experience as you do just the game itself. Okay,
what went really well with the travel? How can we
do it better? How can we put our players in position?
I spent some time talking to coach Sate about this. Okay,
when's the right time to travel? Do you do it
before you walk through in the morning, do you do

(14:05):
it after? If you're going to the East coast is
a different in the West Coast, And talking to NFL teams,
I think we have to learn it and figure it out.
But we always talk about, hey, put the ball down
on the turf and we'll go play. So it doesn't
really matter where it's at, and we have to be
the best of adapting. But I'm excited about the challenge
that that presents for our team.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
What's your role in the uniforms that your kids wear.

Speaker 13 (14:25):
I just have veto power.

Speaker 14 (14:27):
Really, I don't want more than that. You know, my
wife and our family got to be a big part
of the design two weeks ago when we did our
cancer awareness uniforms, that was something that was something I
was a part of.

Speaker 13 (14:38):
But generally they'll flash it up in front of me
and say are you okay?

Speaker 14 (14:42):
And there's every once in a while I'll say, hey,
that's a little extreme.

Speaker 13 (14:45):
Maybe we can maybe we can take that out.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
But very rarely wait wait, wait, what's extreme for Oregon football?

Speaker 13 (14:55):
I mean, I don't know that it's happened, Dan, let
me just say it's happened.

Speaker 14 (15:01):
But no, there's just some things where we're like, okay,
let's purn it back and make it about the game
and not just the uniform. But that's something that I
remember as a GA in Arizona State when we played
Oregon and Marcus Mariota is running all over us and
those helmets are like mirrors, and I'm like, it's it's
bad enough. The guy's running for four hundred dollars to

(15:21):
my reflection in his helmet.

Speaker 13 (15:23):
You know, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
What's the thing you took away from Nick Saban that
you're able to utilize on a daily like, let let's
just say one thing, what would it be on a
daily basis or every you know, on game day.

Speaker 14 (15:37):
Yeah, the preparation and consistency from coach Saban is so amazing.
I always said, Hey, the sun's coming up in tuscalooas
to tomorrow at this time.

Speaker 13 (15:47):
Nick Saban's gonna walk in the building at this time.

Speaker 14 (15:49):
There's gonna be a staff, mean at seven thirty at
this time, and it's like clockwork, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 13 (15:54):
The consistency, the approach, the work ethic was really really impressive.

Speaker 14 (16:00):
But I always felt like he was able to analyze
the situation and figure out, okay, how can we do
this better? And he never wanted to walk in to
a situation where not enough.

Speaker 13 (16:09):
Bullets in the chamber.

Speaker 14 (16:10):
You always wanted to have an answer, even if we
didn't utilize that answer, and even if it wasn't something
he necessarily agreed with. It didn't matter if you were
a janitor or a ga in the corner room. If
you had a piece of information that could make him better,
he wanted to know. It didn't mean he was going
to utilize it, but you wanted to know about it.
You know, notorious for bringing guys into interview to find
out what they know, you know, and what they how

(16:32):
they could help him be better at the game.

Speaker 13 (16:34):
So obviously the best to ever do it.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, because like let's say, you know, the plumber says, hey,
you know, I got an idea about a twelve man
on the field situation, coach, do you want to hear it?
You of course would listen to the janitor around school, right,
that's right. Playing on a Friday night though, that's different,
so Friday night, I know. But once again, the preparation

(17:00):
then the travel, Yeah, avoiding a letdown, you know, let
run me through. But you know what the preparation is
with this, yeah.

Speaker 14 (17:09):
I mean, so we've experienced it once before already with Michigan.
A little bit different than it's an away game, you
know for us. And I'll say this, I think this
produde team that we're about to play is completely different
than the team that started the season.

Speaker 13 (17:20):
You look at what they're able to do against Illinois
last week.

Speaker 14 (17:22):
You got their head coach who's a defensive guy calling
plays now, and Ryan Walters is a really good coach,
and they have a spark, they have some life. But
you have to you have to take away something, so
we eliminate our Monday practice. Monday becomes a Tuesday, Tuesday
becomes a Wednesday. Wednesday today becomes a Thursday practice. And
then travel again is a little bit different.

Speaker 13 (17:43):
So you kind of eliminate a day. You try to
get ahead.

Speaker 14 (17:46):
You probably spend a little less time putting the last
game to bed, and then when you get a chance,
you go back and try to put you know, the
last game to bed the right way on Saturday, so
we'll get a catchup day the day after when everybody
else is playing football.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
He's the head coach at Oregon, Dan Lanning. But do
you look at the first half of Purdue Illinois or
the second half of Perdue Illinois, wit like, which one
you know stands out?

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well?

Speaker 14 (18:11):
I think you look at it all. You look at
it all, and if you really look close to the
first half, you'll see there was a lot of success
that maybe just didn't relate to success as points on
the board. You know, there's some things that went right
that that didn't equate to points on the board. But
that doesn't mean that it wasn't position to be a
successful play.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
All right, Before I let you go, let's go around
the room. We'll play the what time did coach Lanning
wake up this morning? Todd? I'll start with you. Exact
time when the alarm goes off. He probably doesn't even
have an alarm Todd forty five local time.

Speaker 10 (18:43):
Seaton say, five fifteen, five point fifteen, sleep in, okay,
Marvin four point thirty.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
All right, PAULI five fifteen. He's already got a lift
in and probably some press Oh yeah, yeah, I got it.
The exact time on the clock is four forty eight.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I was going to do four forty seven this morning.
What time did coach Landing wake up?

Speaker 13 (19:03):
All right? You just you just revealed me here.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
I am.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
I'm super guilty. I'm the guy that has a lot.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh my god, yeah, I've got.

Speaker 14 (19:12):
Am I got a problem. So I and the way
you do anything is the way you do everything. I've
got a problem when it comes like I know that
I have to get up, and then I know when
I want my body to start waking up. So I'm
the snooze button guy. And that's bad. I know that's bad.
So I start my alarms at like four thirty, but
when I actually get out of the bed, it's.

Speaker 13 (19:32):
Probably you know, four fifty four, fifty five five. It's
never a it's never the first one. It's like, that's
my all right, this is the get out of the
zone one.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
So disappoint you had about fifteen alarm set there.

Speaker 14 (19:46):
I have a lot of alarm set and uh. And
then my wife she gets kind of frustrated with that.
You can imagine how annoying that might be. But this
is the sacrifices she makes. And then every once in
a while I'll be like, Sophia, I need you set
this one because this is the this is the.

Speaker 13 (20:02):
One, like I have to be up at this time.

Speaker 14 (20:05):
Not let me sleep past five fifteen, don't let me
sleep past five to twenty. So yeah, yeah, we're up
just a little bit before five this morning.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Congrats on the win and safe travels to Purdue. Thank
you coach, Thank you, Dan, appreciate it. That's Dan Lanning,
third year at Oregon, former Georgia defensive coordinator. Friday Night
lights at Purdue and then at Michigan. That will be
the beginning of November at the Big House. I don't
think he wanted to talk any more about the twelfth

(20:36):
Man I said at the time. I said on Monday,
Mark my words, this rule will be changed next season.
I just got word yesterday that the NCAA is looking
at this rule because it does benefit the defensive team.
You have the offensive team run time off the clock

(20:56):
and therefore they didn't have enough time for their quarterback
Will Howard to slide and call a timeout. So they
did benefit. But it feels like the coach knows he
got away with one there. But I mean that's what
Bill Belichick would do or John Harbaugh would do, like
they would find something where they go, you know what.
I don't know if anybody's really used this before, but

(21:17):
they used it to their advantage. Yeah, Paulin So a few.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Years ago, when you had twelve men on the field
before the play and it was called, they would put
the time back on the clock like it's a dead play.
And a few years ago, I don't have the exact year.
If they let the place be snapped and then you
got called for the penalty, they don't return the seconds
on the clock. That's one of the big angles of this.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, that's what I was bringing up to him. I
didn't know if there were two different penalties.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, and if you have a person running off the field,
and the paul hasn't been snapped, you could be called.
So there are like a couple different angles of this point. Okay,
all right, Oh you asked it.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Right, Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Maybe coach
learned something there. They could have called that penalty, and
then maybe they don't have the time run off the client. Yes, Tom, well.

Speaker 12 (22:02):
He did know exactly what you were talking. I don't
know what you mean by various different.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'm going to guess he did know. I'm good to
guess he did know. I'm going to guess there's some
staffer that was walking around, probably got a game ball. Yeah, hey,
that that's the loophole guy right there. We call him
Lou Hey. Lou Christa in Delaware leads us off this morning. Hi, Krista, Hey,

(22:28):
I just.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Wanted to point out that nobody got that I was
being taunted. All Ohio State fans are being taunted with
the sweatshirt that Dan Lanning was wearing.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
UF you look at it.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
It is an O h I oh oh.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
It is.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Oh wow. You know what I asked Fritzi, I said,
what is that? And he said, just looks like Oregon
duck stuff.

Speaker 12 (22:55):
It looked like.

Speaker 9 (22:55):
Various logos and colors of Oregon.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Maybe maybe you could have had for me.

Speaker 12 (23:00):
I could have done a little research there.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, I don't know, but Krista didn't sound too happy there.

Speaker 11 (23:08):
Yes, Mark, No, that's one of the most beautiful hoodies
I've ever seen in my life. It's actually the back
of Air Jordan fors with different Oregon logos on.

Speaker 12 (23:17):
The backs of them.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay, so it's not Ohio State is not. He is
not trolling Ohio State.

Speaker 12 (23:21):
It is not. But if they can send one.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, four.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
This is Marvin's lane by the way.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Oh, I know it's your largest grade.

Speaker 8 (23:27):
Yeah, it's large.

Speaker 12 (23:27):
I mean yeah, those things were beautiful.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, So Krista will explore it. We'll get some of
our best people on this.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Fantastic all right, thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah. I just thought it was just logos with the
Oregon ducks. Marvin did. As soon as he popped up.
Marvin was like, you did you see that hoodie? Oh?

Speaker 15 (23:44):
He was right on top of beautiful.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Okay, So those are Air Jordan related.

Speaker 11 (23:48):
Yes, they're the backs of Air Jordan fors and it
has different organ you know Phil Knight, Yeah, Chef's kiss.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Wow, Marvin's Lane, and I'm thick, Wow, good poll.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
Yes, do I really think Dan Lanning would or any
head coach would do something like that on a national
TV interview and do something that we even remotely be
considered trolling a team, especially like the Buckeyes.

Speaker 12 (24:11):
I'd be hard.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, now, I wish he would have you know, I
like the mystery that was out there was Dan Lanning
trolling Ohio State fans. Now Marvin kind of blew the
cover off of it.

Speaker 10 (24:21):
Yeah, are we suggesting that college football coaches don't use
every opportunity to make their program look great and make
other programs look terrible?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
But he told us that he was moving on. You know,
he was done talking about the twelfth man on the field.

Speaker 10 (24:35):
Hey man, how'd you celebrate that recruited Yeah, you jumped
right in there.

Speaker 15 (24:39):
You see what we just did to Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, I got Purdue coming up Friday night.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
Yes, Paul, Yeah, if I were coach Landing, I would
have had the twelve guys who were on the field
standing behind me at six am during the interview. Let's
rub it in. Let's go, that's a huge win. They're
scheduled the rest of the year, they're in fantastic shape ard.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, but you don't want to have those every every team.
I don't care how good you are. You have one
of those games, and you know, is it at Michigan.
I mean, obviously Michigan's down this year.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah, they're at Michigan. They got Purdue Illinois home at Michigan,
Maryland at home at Wisconsin, Washington at home. Okay, that's serviceable.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, you can run the table. Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
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Speaker 2 (25:32):
Update the poll results if you can, Seaton, sure can.

Speaker 10 (25:36):
We got a whole bunch of Jets poll questions going today.
All right, the last twenty four hours for the Jets
have been about ninety percent bad, not great. How much
better does DeVante Adams make the Jets? Somewhat at eighty
four percent over significantly better? And we also have up
there three years from now, three years in. How are

(25:58):
we feeling about the name guardian? They'll super lame.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
What if you said, who will be more impactful the
rest of the season, Davante Adams or Amari Cooper? How
about that one. Okay, eh, okay, okay, maybe we can
do that all right. We played a portion of an interview.
Jerry Jones does a weekly interview on the flagship station
for the Dallas Cowboys, and he does that every Tuesday,

(26:23):
one oh five point three the fan. I want to
play you the question that was asked. I want to
put everything in context here. So here's the question that
was asked by the co host to Jerry Jones.

Speaker 16 (26:37):
Jerry nineteen seventy A little different from this past off
season in building the team we're talking about today, which
there was a lot of criticism that you guys didn't add,
didn't spend, and don't add and don't spend, and are
not aggressive enough with some of the problems that are
still haunting the Cowboys today that we see play it
on the field. That's the point of talking about the

(26:57):
off season.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh wow, okay, you know Jerry then goes off in
a tangent. But then he gets around to answering the question,
and this is what it sounded like.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Oh, I remember those criticisms very well.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay, so what are they playing out to be accurate?

Speaker 5 (27:15):
What's your point? What's your point? This is not your job.
Your job is to let me go over all the
reasons that I did something and I'm sorry that I
did it. That's not your job.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well, my job is asking my.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Job, or I'll get another I'll get somebody else to
ask these questions.

Speaker 16 (27:31):
Man, Jerry, We're just we're trying to figure out why
the team is.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
I'm not kidding it. I'm not kidding it. You're not
going to figure out it's what the team is doing
right or wrong. If you are are any five or
ten like you, you need to come to this meeting
I'm going to today. There are thirty two teams. Here
are your geniuses.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
So Sean and RJ the morning show in the Cowboys
flagship radio station one oh five point three the fan
in Dallas. So r J Shopping joined us on the program.
How did that interview end? Or Jay?

Speaker 17 (28:05):
We went into a couple of other topics and we
ended it as Norman. Now, it went longer than normal.
Usually they're about fifteen minutes. This one went closer to
a half hour. But yeah, it ended, you know, obviously
less contentious than it was in that moment. But when
it ended, we did know that that was not a

(28:27):
normal Tuesday appearance from Jerry, which we've had.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
We've had almost three hundred of them with him.

Speaker 17 (28:34):
It's been fourteen years that we've done that interview with
Jerry basically the same time on Tuesdays, and we've never
had anything like that.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Any follow up from Jerry Jones after the interview, given
the fallout from it.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
No, not to us, and we haven't heard anything.

Speaker 17 (28:52):
And I'm sure that it would have been relayed to
us had there been, but no, And we actually talked yesterday,
you know, we were wondering if he would call in today.
He has an appearance Tuesday and the station and then
Friday on the station, so he had We haven't heard
from him. That may change the week goes on, but

(29:14):
as of now, No.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Did you take the thread seriously that you guys are
interchangeable parts there on the flagship station? No?

Speaker 17 (29:23):
No, I mean everybody's interchangeable, I suppose, but uh, he
seems sorry, it did seem serious, but you know, we
were sitting there wondering was he talking about like removing
us physically or just he's going to just do his
interview on another show on our station at a different

(29:44):
time of day, which I mean if he wants to
do that. I mean, that's I suppose that that's his prerogative.
But now our our company, our boss has been behind us.
They've not said a word about that.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
But your job is to I mean, I don't know
if he expects team friendly questions. I don't know if
you've ever felt the need to do that to him.
It certainly didn't sound like when you said, hey, that's
not my job. Your job is to ask questions that
fans one answers to. You know, has he ever submitted
questions or said you can't ask me about certain things.

Speaker 17 (30:16):
He's never submitted questions. There was maybe one time, and
I think this was eight ten years ago. It was
it was about week three or four of the Colin
Kaepernick's that you discussion that was going on, and they
were and we had asked him three and four weeks
in a row about it, and they were just like,

(30:37):
let's just move on from that and let's talk football
this week. That's the only time he's been great, like real.
That's why this was so surprising. He's never been sensitive.
Of all the owners that we've dealt with in town,
and even owners in that we've had on from other markets,
We've never had one that is more accepting of difficult questions.

(31:00):
We don't get personal with him. That's like the one
rule I every media member here knows that don't talk
family with him, don't get personal.

Speaker 8 (31:07):
He's never had a problem with answering tough questions.

Speaker 17 (31:11):
When you're the owner and the GM and you put
yourself out on radio twice a week every week, it's
hard to avoid those questions. To his credit, he's never
had a problem with him. And that's what made this
so like surprising and disappointing to be frank.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, but I don't know if it's weird. You kind
of look in the mirror and mortality sets in. You're
eighty two, you're celebrating your birthday, you're at home, you're
getting embarrassed again. You've you've lost what four in a
row at home, going back to last year, you're giving
up over forty points a game, and three of those four, like,
I don't like. It almost felt like this is the
tipping point, which sounds crazy considering the Cowboys haven't really

(31:50):
done anything on a you know, big scale in thirty years.

Speaker 8 (31:55):
Right, And.

Speaker 17 (31:57):
I think the frustration boiled over, like this is the
year they wanted. He wanted to go all in. That
was a big talking point in the off season, the
all in. They didn't go all in. They went all
in on what they had. Everybody was on a you know,
entering camp basically on a one year deal. Dack, Ceidee Lamb,
Mike McCarthy, they were all entering on a one year deal.
And I think that he finally like he I finally

(32:20):
realized that, hey, we screwed up in the off season,
and now it's back on me because I've said put
it on me, put it on me, and now it's
on him. And you know, you understand. And I think
that he does want to win really really bad. He
wants one more title. And he knows he's eighty two
years old. When you're ready to you know that your
time is is not you don't have fifty years left.

Speaker 8 (32:41):
He's under more pressure to win. That's you know, he's
under a lot of pressure. Most gms are under pressure,
but most gms don't own the team.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
But I also wonder about this national narrative. And Dani
Rolovsky brought this up that he thinks if you gave
Jerry a choice of getting publicity every single day, on
ESPN and Fox and radio shows or winning a super
Bowl and like he loves the daily you're talking about
my product, and we've seen the value of that because

(33:10):
they haven't won anything. Nobody gets more attention for doing
less than the Dallas Cowboys do. He's a business man.

Speaker 18 (33:18):
R J.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I don't I know he wants to win, but he
also is selling a product every single day he is, he's.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
The best salesman.

Speaker 17 (33:28):
And I've always called this the world's largest mom and
pop organization, and it is. There's an element of that here.
But yeah, he does want to win, Like there's no
doubt he wants to win. But when he has said
I'll write you don't know the size of the check
I would write to win.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
We we got it. We wonder about that because.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
He could he checked to Derrick Henry. Yeah that's the
check I wanted him to write.

Speaker 17 (33:53):
Yeah, he could have wrote a check to you know,
any number of head coaches over the years, and he
hasn't done.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
That's sssarily, But yeah, it's does he.

Speaker 17 (34:03):
Want to win or does he want to win with
him being the general manager? And would he accept winning
and would it feel as rewarding if say, Bill Belichick
was in here, and Bill Belichick was in charge of
personnel and Jerry was just the owner, and I don't know,
I don't know that he would.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, that's weird, that's weird to say. But can you
remember a worse loss if you if you have, let's
take out playoffs, but the timing of this loss, eighty
second birthday, they've been blown out at home. And can
you think in all the years that you've been in Dallas,
was there a more historically bad loss.

Speaker 17 (34:44):
The two thousand and eight final game of the year,
they lose to Philadelphia. If they win, they go to
the playoffs, they win the division, they lose. It was
like forty four to six. So that was the I
think that was the too. That's my quarterback game, my memory,
my memory's going.

Speaker 12 (35:02):
But that was bad.

Speaker 17 (35:04):
That was bad, and they felt it because that was
a really good team and they went into the camp
that year thinking, hey, we got a real, real chance
to win this one. This was a bad loss though
it was his birthday. They got embarrassed by a team
that treated that game like a like a statement, like
a super Bowl, and the Cowboys treated it like a
regular season game.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
And Detroit was it was evident.

Speaker 17 (35:26):
I think you know, you see San Francisco and you
see they play San fran and they get beat. This
was different because this was now another team that did
to you with the Niners have done so many times
over the last few years, and they made the Cowboys
really look old, they made them look slow, and they
made them look not as talented.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Good to talk to you, RJ. Glad you're still employed
for now, for now, Thank you, all right, Sean and
RJ the morning show in the Cowboys flagship radio station
one A five point three, the fan in Dallas. I
know it sounds crazy to say that an owner cares
more about being in the national dialogue than he does

(36:02):
about truly winning a championship. Because you brought back Zeke Elliott,
who does not help you, and Derrick Henry is leading
the league in rushing, you could run the ball, keep
your defense off the field a little longer. You spent
all that money on DAK and all that money on Seed.

(36:22):
I mean, and Jerry loves talking about the Cowboys, but
you can't have user friendly questions to him. You got
a job. If you're a Dallas Cowboy fan, do you
want user friendly team friendly? Questions you want answers. You're
the coaching GM, you control everything. Hey, if I could

(36:44):
write a check, you could have written a check, could
have written a check a long time before you wrote
those checks to DAK and CD, and you could have
brought in Derrick Henry. Now you got people's attention. And
I know we're making Derrick Henry out to be Jim
Brown here, but Derrick Henry looks like he still has

(37:05):
some tread on the tire, Like what is the downside?
I mean, you re signed Zeke Elliot years ago? That
was wrong. I just I think Jerry gonna look back,
people look back on the legacy, and it'll be a
legacy that will be incomplete because when it got down

(37:26):
to who was getting the credit, Jimmy Johnson or Jerry Jones,
Jerry had a problem with Jimmy because all we did
is talk about Jimmy Johnson, how about them Cowboys? And
Jerry had a problem with that. Jimmy built such a
good team that Barry Switzer came in and got a

(37:46):
super Bowl. That's how good Jimmy was.

Speaker 10 (37:49):
Yes, you know I think too, like talking about all
those things and whatever flaws Jerry Jones has There are
definitely way worse owners out there than Jerry Jones. Okay, yeah,
he I mean there are owners who truly don't care
for them. It's just an investment to make money, and
that's all they're interested in, is the best way to

(38:11):
milk these teams for as much money as they can
possibly get out of it and then sell it for
even more money. Sure, and Jerry Jones is absolutely not
that guy. He I fully believe when like we were
just saying, you know, he would write a check to win,
no matter how big of it. I absolutely believe that
he doesn't always make the right decisions. But there are
way worse owners in sports than that man.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah. All you want is your owner to invest, like,
truly invest in a team. You know. George Steinbrenner, he
invested in that team. He created the Yes Network. He
made sure nobody left the Yankees unless he wanted them
to leave, and they built this unbelievable business model for

(38:51):
everybody but nobody else. You know, then you started to
see these regional sports networks that everybody wanted to have.
When the Dodgers in the Red Sox, you're gonna have that,
you know. Now we get the Mets. You're gonna get
this flow of cash in there that you can reinvest
into your product. I want an owner who is at
least that it matters to him that he cares about it.

(39:12):
But I don't want an owner like didn't Woody Johnson
saying thinking is overrated the other day when he was
asked about the Jets situation. Thinking is overrated. Ah, that's
your owner. I you know, you make dumb decisions. These
businessmen who become billionaires, and you're accumulating your wealth differently

(39:36):
than trying to build a winner. You're trying to buy
a winner, or you're gonna build a win like David
Tepper in Carolina. I don't care how many billions you got,
Steve Balmer, I don't care how many billions you got.
There are people who do this really well. You hire
football people to do football things, and they don't always

(39:58):
do that, and they think ham a billionaire. Everybody listens
to me. No, you you made your money to buy
a team. Now the best money you'll spend is to
spend it on people who are meant to do these jobs.

Speaker 15 (40:14):
Yes, well, you have to assume that they made that
money in the first one.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Well, Okay, they could have been given it, that's true,
fair enough, Yes, Paul, people.

Speaker 15 (40:22):
Who are given billions of dollars should think that they're
really smart.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I would love to try that. I sure would. I
would too. I'd like to just see if I was
smart if somebody gave me a billion dollars. Yes, Paul.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
Do you think if you guys had extremely rich parents,
what do you think you would have done? Would you
have coasted through life or said I can do anything
and worked and gone to work, Like if you're twenty
one and you had a trust fund for ten million dollars,
what do you think, knowing yourself, you would have done?
Does it hard even imagine?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:54):
I saw an interview with Julia Luis Dreyfus, the actress,
and I think her parents are fantastically wealthy. Yeah, and
she said a lot of my friends had wealthy parents
and they did nothing. She was I was allowed to
do anything. So I went into comedy and acting because
I had, she goes, I had a backup plan.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, it must have been nice.

Speaker 15 (41:10):
That story is a diamond dozen.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, must have been nice, yes, Doud.

Speaker 9 (41:16):
I think for me, I'd want to pursue my career
ambition to do something I'm enjoying and having fun looking
forward to when you wake up in the morning, but
you're doing something creative and exciting and not having to
live life where everybody's whispering about how you just got
everything handed to you and you didn't.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I would like to have tried it, though, Yeah, yeah,
I posis to be Yeah, I would like I'd like to.
My first car didn't have a floorboard in the back seat,
so I didn't get my license till I was eighteen
because there was no car to drive.

Speaker 8 (41:43):
Oh no, what happened?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, yeah, didn't have a full So if you sat
in the back seat, yeah, oh woe is me, Winstone,
If you sat in the back seat of my sixty
nine Voltswagon, you had to have your feet up because
you could see the pavement underneath, like the flint Stond. Yes, yes,

(42:06):
I would like to have had a little bit. When
your hand me downs are from your older brother who
is five inches shorter than you, it's kind of tough.

Speaker 12 (42:17):
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It is, Yes, Marvin.

Speaker 12 (42:20):
So some people were born on third you were in
the dugout.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I don't even know. If I was at the stadium,
I don't even know. There are a lot of people
who are worse off. But you know what, we never
I never realized what we didn't have until we went
to the neighbor's house on Christmas morning. Oh and it
was like you, oh my god, Yes, Mark.

Speaker 11 (42:46):
Out of the four of us who had who do
you think had the roughest upbringing financially?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, well you didn't have a dad, PAULI didn't have
a dad after he was eleven.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
But my dad a decent living as an ironworker.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
You once had a corvette.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
That was because of.

Speaker 15 (43:05):
How my dad he had two corvettes.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
Yes, well, it's because of how my dad died. As
I got the corvette, I thought.

Speaker 15 (43:10):
They were your uncles or something.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
But you were left so you got the settlement, you
got a corvette.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
Well, my mom got a lot of money off the
settlement when my dad died. But when I was like,
which would you rather have dad or a corvette? Corvette
or a dad, I've had both. I've lost both. I
need some time out. My dad was really cool, so
are corvettes.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, coming up on the anniversary of your dad's death. Oh,
thanks for bringing Halloween trick or treat.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
But when when I was young. He made a decent
living as an ironworker. I've always felt like we were
doing fine as kids.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, Marvin didn't have a dad.

Speaker 12 (43:45):
You know what's crazy. I used to tell people.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
I was like, I didn't know I was poor until
I went to somebody else's house.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (43:52):
Like growing up, people were like, oh, I had sugar
water mannaise sandwiches. The thought i'd have them, this old
English voice, poverty disgusting, not knowing that we were on
Section eight and my mother would get me something like
a Michigan starter jacket that I desperately wanted. That was
her last sixty five dollars, But I didn't know that.
She told me my job was not for you to

(44:14):
know you're ten. You're ten, be the man in the house. No,
go to school and take out the garbage. So I
want you to do.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Your mom did a great job. She did.

Speaker 12 (44:23):
Yeah, I like her.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
She did a great time. She did a great, great job.

Speaker 12 (44:27):
Her and Marianne. See that I had two parents.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Your mom and your grandmother.

Speaker 12 (44:31):
Yeah yeah, when they called in embarrassing me.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, Bridget's a badass man, Fritzy. Your dad was a
police officer.

Speaker 9 (44:42):
And my mom was a power professional like a teacher's aide.

Speaker 12 (44:44):
So we nothing great.

Speaker 9 (44:45):
We lived in an apartment in near Corny Island and
Brighton Beach, but we were spoiled. We got to basically
what we wanted as far as board games and video
games and things. I don't think we ever wanted for anything,
but I wouldn't say we were in any kind of
wealth situation anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
What about you parents that both worked, Yeah, you're not.

Speaker 12 (45:02):
That's you know.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
What's great with parents is they shield you from these
things so you don't have that embarrassment that was always
really important that you didn't know that you know you
were you should have more or others had more. But
I just remember all my friends had Corvette, a sixty nine, Chevelle,

(45:24):
a Mustang fast like they had all had great cars.
I was riding a ten speed bicycle until I was eighteen. Yes, Paul, how.

Speaker 15 (45:34):
Did your mom shield you from that?

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Is?

Speaker 7 (45:36):
She didn't tell me about my dad dying for a
year and a half. God bless her heart.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Hey, don't worry. Wait, where's that? Don't worry about it.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
You see this, he's at a workout, saying for you
for when you're sixteen. He went to build a building.
He hasn't been back in a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 15 (45:50):
Look there's another corvette over there.

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Speaker 19 (46:05):
The one O do Noel slags and he kills it
left field.

Speaker 14 (46:11):
We are tied.

Speaker 19 (46:15):
Oh my goodness, Christmas does come early. John Kensee no
hell hit won four hundred and four feet on a
change ump and it is five five, the biggest pinchit
home run of his life. Nailer down there at third,

(46:36):
That ball is smoked, left field.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
Bat down, game over, hold run again.

Speaker 20 (46:44):
David Fried does it, and the Guardians hit a shocking,
shocking display of power rally against the Yankees, and they
win it seven to five.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Carl Ravage with the call. PN Radio, the exclusive home
for Major League Baseball postseason. He'll be on the call
for the ALCS Eduardo Prez Tim Kirchen coming up later
on tonight. Ravi joins us. Now, how's the voice?

Speaker 18 (47:14):
Yeah, voice is good. I mean, you know I'd be honest,
I want to hear given the respect I have for you, like,
what did you think of the calls? And one thing
I heard from a long time engineer was I think
he heard Eduardo and Tim scream right away, and as
a longtime engineer, he's like, yeah, no, I I don't
need that. And our producer, who's younger, Dan love that enthusiasm.

(47:37):
He's like, no, I was good with it. So I'm
going to defer to you. What did you think.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Well, I'm old school where I don't like the analyst
jumping in.

Speaker 12 (47:47):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I'd like to still get the call. But we found
that you have a lot of these analysts, certainly locally RAVI,
that they jump in during the call like a football
you know, guy's doing eighty yards and you know, so
it's hard for you to do your job when you do.
I love the enthusiasm, but it's I think it makes

(48:09):
it harder for you to you still have to say
what is happening. They're just reacting to what happened.

Speaker 18 (48:15):
Yeah, you're almost so used to when an analyst talks
you lay out you kind of okay, well he's got
something to say and you but I'm in the middle
of a call and they're kind of yelling and screaming.
So yeah, it's one of those where you as you know,
when you sit there as a host of a show
when they talk, you know, I'm a deferential guy, like, okay,
they've got to be important, so I'm gonna go ahead.

(48:37):
You know, whether it's a you know, Peter Gamman's Harrow Reynolds,
John Krook or Eddie Perezertim Jimmy Dyke's that's your your job.
But that was interesting. But I was just curious that
it was a wild game. I mean, you you've certainly
seen a billion wild games. That was that was way
way up there as far as bizarre set of circumstances,
things turning okay.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
But when you saw back to back with you know,
Judge and Stanton, yeah, your thoughts of where that game
was headed, Yeah, of.

Speaker 18 (49:05):
Course, no. I look, one of the things we pointed
out before they're at bats was the fact that there's
a nineteen foot wall and left and there's a nine
foot wall in right, and given their you know, home
field of Yankee Stadium, that they know what a what
a short porch let alone a short wall does. And
Eduardo had brought up the point that the pitcher tends

(49:26):
to and should keep the ball down. But in Judge's case,
a down ball away like a golf ball, he could
drive it right out, which is exactly what happened. And sure,
after Stanton hit the homer, given the bullpen that the
Yankees have had, I thought the Yankees were ahead, freeze
up and it was going to be a morgue there tonight.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
The sound that the ball leaving the bat. As a
play by play guy, yeah, how much does that help
you in being a little bit more ahead of what
I mean? These were no doubters. Noel's was a no doubter,
no doubt exactly. I mean, FRI's was hit, but it
wasn't like Noel's. So just that sound. Are you trained

(50:08):
to hear that sound? And you go, that's different.

Speaker 18 (50:11):
A little bit, And I would say that Noel's even
relative to the games that I've done where Judge or
Stanton have homeward, the sound was actually different off Noel's bat,
and it may have also been the trajectory of it.
There was no question that his ball was a homer.
Obviously in Judges in Stanton's case, there were more line drives.

(50:33):
But I've seen shots off of their bats where it's
not necessarily I don't think that the sound is what's occurring.
To me. It is more about the sort of trajectory
as it flies off their bat. You can tell that
those you know, those animals who were so big, they
got it and it's going to go. But Noel's was unique.
It was different, it sounded different.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I maintained that I don't think any ball comes off
a bat differently than it does for show. Heo Taani. Yeah,
there's just a sound to that. It's I don't even
have to watch. I just hear and I go, oh, gone,
I mean Brett no doubters. Yeah, and I missed that, gone,
I missed that.

Speaker 12 (51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (51:17):
You know the thing that the two things that I
took away from last night is familiarity as a problem.
You're starting to see these same bullpen guys now night
in and night out. And the shine I'm not saying
it's off of a Weaver or a Holmes. You know,
class A hasn't really been a factor in this series
until last night, and it is so bizarre that he's
now given up more runs in the postseason than he

(51:39):
did in the entire season makes no sense at all.
But my goodness, you know, these guys are huge. You know,
they're the guys that hit balls last night that you
knew were just missiles. Stanton is a football player, Judge
is an absolute linebacker tight end, and Noel is massive. So,
I mean, you know, I'm my hands are tiny. I

(52:01):
mean I have the smallest hands on the planet, and
I put them up to Noel's hand. I did not
come up to the middle knuckle. That's how big that
guy is. He is massive, and when he gets a
hold of one, it goes. So it was the size,
it was the power, it was home runs, it was
the three true outcomes that we saw last night. But

(52:22):
it happened so quickly.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Talking to Carl Ravitch, he was on the call last
night with the Yankees and the Guardians. That tricky, tricky
word momentum can't carry these things over with you, but
we've seen where that feeling can be carried over. Yeah,
any sense of what to expect tonight.

Speaker 18 (52:43):
No, you know, I think that's been the beauty of
this postseason. In a lot of ways. The end of
the baseball season, there was some unpredictability teams, you know,
had bumpy stretches, other teams got hot, some checked out
individuals shine. No, I don't because you know, you get
into this series now and you know, for when we
were working together at ESPN, here are a couple of

(53:04):
names for you. So Gavin Williams is going to start
for the Guardians. Gavin Williams made seven starts at home
this year. He lost all of them. Like the last
guy to do that was in nineteen ninety three. You
remember Anthony Young Chase Stadium, seven starts, lost them all.
So you know, certainly you'd think going into this thing
DP that that's not a good omen. He also gets

(53:27):
no run support, but he's going up against a rookie
in Luis Heel and the last Yankee rookie to win
a postseason start was a guy named El Duque in
nineteen ninety eight. So no, I think you get into
this part of the staffs, the starters, the bullpens have
been used. We had fifth, we only had fifteen pitchers
last night. Maybe we can go up a little bit

(53:48):
in this game. So no, I don't look at it
that way. I do think that part of what you
leave with last night is hmm, okay, Well, Weaver had
been literally invincible. I mean, his story is crazy. And
Steven Vote, the manager of the Guardians, was a teammate,
was a bullpen catcher for him, he coached him, and

(54:09):
he looked out at Luke Weaver prior to last night
and said, I don't even know who that guy is, Like,
I don't recognize him. This is not the guy that
I was catching with or a team, no idea who
he is. But last night, you know, he left a
couple of pitches over the plate and he paid for it.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
It used to be starting pitching that we talked about
starting pitching this time of the year, and I missed
that and without sounding like they get off my lawn, guy,
But how do we get back to where the starting
pitcher does have a presence, does impact a series?

Speaker 18 (54:45):
Yeah, it's a great question, you know. And again I
think even over the years while we focused on starting pitching,
there were really and I'm excluding the Braves of the
nineties when they had such great depth, But for the
most part, these teams, you remember one or two guys
from a staff. You remember Madison Bumgarner, you know, you

(55:07):
remember Garrett Cole here. So they go out and mad
Carlos were done and hope it happens, but we have
absolutely minimized the requirements that are made on starting pitchers.
Matthew Boyd gave him five innings last night. That was
the first guy for the Guardians in the postseason to
actually throw five innings. And yet if you look at
their formula, if Steven Vote were to present you a formula,

(55:32):
just get me five innings any perfect world. And we
saw him go early to the bullpen the other game
and it probably backfire. Five innings sets us up for
the rest of the guys to come in and we're
going to be fine until that changes. And it starts
at the youth level. You know, I see the little
leaguers all the time. It's bizarre. I don't want to

(55:53):
go too deep into the sort of pull the curtain back,
But when you worked at ESPN, there was a producer
named Sean Fitzgerald. He's out here working now. He's got
a son that's fourteen years old who just had surgery
on his elbow. So all of this stuff, and this,
according to Shaw, wasn't because he overthrew. They were very careful,
but you're still putting a tremendous amount of demands on

(56:15):
young kid's arms, and as a result, they get hurt
and then we slowly begin to wean them off of
one hundred pitch outings or throwing like the Braves did
in the nineties. On your off day and you throw
a lot. You know, there's obviously efforts by Major League
Baseball to put an emphasis back on starting pitching, but

(56:36):
that's one of those things, you know, like bunting and
going the other way and advancing a runner. You've got
to start that at an early age. Otherwise we're all going,
you know, John Kenzie Noel and flipping bats and hitting omers.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah. I was on a my soapbox the other day.
I said, I'll give you anybody in baseball who's throwing
a hundred, and I'll take Greg Maddox right, and I'm
going to beat you cause there still is location, location,
location and movement. And if you have that, they'll catch
up to one hundred. They will Hitters will say, yeah,

(57:11):
I can hit a hundred. We we're fascinated by it.
But if you talk to those old school guys, they're like, God,
Maddix drove me crazy because you know him and Glavin.
You know guys who were pictures and yeah, yes, exactly.
I don't know if how we get back to that
other than we finally realize we're just sending these kids

(57:33):
into having surgery. Like it's now, it's like, I don't know,
you're you're you're honored. Oh you had Tommy John. You
came back, all right, you must have been throwing pretty hard.

Speaker 18 (57:44):
Now yeah, No, it's it's like you're going into an
interview and your resume as a picture is, can throw
a hundred, has this rapid spin rate? Stands six foot four,
have great extension, had Tommy John surgery? Check checks you
Oh good, so you're good for few years. Yeah, you're
right about that. I think then the issue that is

(58:05):
one of the issues is that what made Maddix so
special and Glavin clearly was their consistency and their longevity.
And part of that was because and you know maddis,
you know, he threw hard early on, and then he
became quote unquote a picture. Now there's a formula where
you want to create a picture, but in creating a picture,

(58:28):
you're teaching velocity, and you're teaching this emphasis on spin rate.
A great example of a guy who has come so
far but you wonder about the longevity because of how
hard they throw and this incredible spin rate. Is the
guy who was traded from the Yankees to the Padres.
His name is Michael King. And when he's on the

(58:50):
mount and he's right, the stuff he's throwing is unhittable,
like you cannot hit it, and it moves everywhere. It's
not one hundred, it can be ninety four. It can
be ninety too. It sweeps, it spins, it dives, its starts.
But because of the emphasis on spin, while we may
have may have pulled back on the velocity a little bit,

(59:11):
it's still a huge pressure point on your elbow and
your shoulders. So I'm not sure that even by creating pictures,
where in any way going to minimize the impact on
pictures elbows.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
We saw with Yamamoto last night, I mean, you want
to talk about movement and filth like it was? It was.
It was crazy, some of the movement that he had.
I mean, it was fun to watch something like that
instead of you know, ninety seven, ninety eight, This had
movement on it, and I'm fascinated. I loved it. Yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 18 (59:49):
That's what that's what King does And I will say that,
you know what makes Weaver so special. He's not one
hundred mile an hour guy. I mean, he's a fastball,
change up guy. So you know you need too you
need three pitches, but you certainly need two pitches, and
they both ideally come out of the same slot and
they move differently. But he's not blowing guys away. Clause
is that guy class will come in and throw gas,

(01:00:10):
and as you saw last night, it can be turned around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
He's Carl Ravich.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I asked this to Chris Collinsworth and I said, do
you root for the previous week of what that will
mean for Sunday Night football? And he said yes, any
part of you rooting for Yankees Dodgers because of maybe
what that would mean nationally.

Speaker 18 (01:00:38):
Personally, No, I'm not vested in that. I think as
a fan of baseball it would be a great theater
because of the individuals involved. But I think the difference
between Chris and my answer is he's going to do
the game next Sunday. I'm not going to go call
the World Series. So if I were to call the

(01:00:59):
World Series, I'd have a different answer. I'd say, sure,
I want to see show. He I want to see Judge.
I want the superstars there. I think it's going to
attract more eyeballs. But if you know that, my answer
is I'm not vested in it. What I think I
am vested in is having this series, you know, go
seven games, be exciting. I was very worried when the

(01:01:20):
Yankees hit those homers that this series is now you know,
likely to die on the vine, and how hard it
is to come back from three to zero. So you know,
as you know, in this in this industry, in these seats,
we get we get hammered because we root for certain teams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
That's that couldn't be.

Speaker 18 (01:01:37):
Personally further from the truth. We root for the game,
we root for the story. We want close competitive games.
It's stinks trying to fill when it's nine to one
after two winnings, it ain't much fun. We like the
close games and we just do not care who wins.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Great job, My best to Timmy and Eduardo. Thanks for
joining us, rab.

Speaker 12 (01:02:00):
My pleasure, my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Thanks man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
That's Carl Raviitch. She'll be on the call later on tonight.
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